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00:12:21 ◼ ► lawyer at work and spoke just it's so ridiculously awkward even have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/741">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► possibility I mean we would have beers in our fridges for like a year that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/745">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► nobody drank is there is there was just no comfortable time where where be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/750">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► good idea to get up and get that beer in the fridge and drink it going until they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/755">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► see that I didn't the way I've heard it described as that it's it's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/760">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► start-ups that type of start at least is attempting to attract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/764">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► 22 23 24 year olds if not younger who dropped out entirely skipped college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/769">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► because those are the people who are most willing to put in insane hours and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/776">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► don't have family and maybe don't have perspective in maybe our most thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/781">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► that you'll just have that mindset when you're younger and you do you know truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/786">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► be told you also have more energy and they're relatively cheap and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/790">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► relatively cheap that it's it's all of that is designed to sort of extended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/793">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► adolescence further in the same way that you know you know no surprise all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/799">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► accoutrements are the same that typically decorate you know college frat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/804">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► exactly and you know Google for instance is famous for this kind of county [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/810">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► coaxing people out of college into Google and making it very nice and cozy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/815">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► for them to continue the exact same lifestyle and mental state that they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/819">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► while they were in college because that will attract so many people from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/823">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► era and I forgot I think I told the story in a podcast before too but I once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/826">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► had years ago I once had a meeting at a Google office in New York and we went in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/833">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► and and there is the waiting area was just full of like smart people toys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/841">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► weird like colorful things like those balls that you pull apart and expanded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/848">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► my contract back again with all the weird stuff like that and all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/854">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► were just covered in dust literally nobody was playing with these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/859">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► like it was it was meant to look like this was like a fun place to be but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/865">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► everything was covered in a layer of dust you could tell if they hadn't been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/870">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► taxed possibly ever since the office was opened it was just a very strange thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/873">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► and then like the walls are all colorful and everything but like the halls or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/878">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► just dead like nobody was around there there were people there in their office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/883">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► is working you know there was nobody was like writing by and scooters or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/889">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► it was like really a fairly boring bland cold feeling it's made to look like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/892">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► kind of fun playground but it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/897">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► the reality was very different yeah I've always liked sure you probably want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/899">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► know I am guessing you probably agree thank with Joel sports keys . there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/906">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► on how to have a you know how to run a company full of people who work in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/912">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► office together where they have to program and be quiet and pretty much its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/915">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► building make a nice place and give everybody room with the door [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/919">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► oh yeah and and the nice days nice chair exactly they actually have been at their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/923">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► office a few times and they really I mean he nailed it they and they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/928">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► have enough space to had to give everybody a private office any mortgage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/933">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► their dealing with like New York buildings so there's not a lot of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/936">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► window area you could put cubes and nobody wants an interior of this where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/941">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► have they gotten bigger have they gotten bigger just on the bug tracker or are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/946">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► they doing the Stack Overflow stuff to not clear on Stack Overflow expanded out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/951">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► from their office they used to be an obvious and then I think pretty quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/957">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► they they took over the floor above or below the regular fuck office and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/960">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► separate companies so they like they invaded the next floor up or down I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/966">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► forget which clogged and yeah and they end since then fucked recall so long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/969">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► Strelow which is very popular and so i i would imagine there's probably a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/975">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► number of people go into that but before Stack Overflow before trial oh I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/981">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► FogBugz was really the vast majority i mean they had a couple of other products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/985">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► over time but most of them I don't think a lot of traction is the big one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/988">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► they also couple years ago launched in the cold kill witches posted Mercurial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/993">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► repository and actually it now it speaks get because of all the topic pretty cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/998">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► actually but they said the edits it's also developer stuff for the most part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► and their office is incredible and I've I should mention of been there a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► times and kind of friend of the guys so I shouldn't you know obviously I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► little biased but I've never really nice but but from what I've read though it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► seems designed not to attract people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► an interview like wow this place looks like it's almost an amusement park it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► really designed to be like hey we'd like to make a place where if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► make a career and be here for like the next 10 15 years coming in you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► forty some weeks a year five days a week that you're gonna be really comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► and enjoy it right and be productive like Google was a lot of these companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► that are in our business are very much like the the West Coast Silicon Valley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► College graduate like recent college graduate mentality and and the leaders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► came from that from that culture they created the company in that culture and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► they try to keep people in that culture Facebook from what I've heard is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► similarly I don't know exactly but I heard similar we see the London Fog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► Creek was founded by a couple of guys from New York in New York and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► really tell and I'm pretty sure they both worked enough jobs between college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1075">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► and Fog Creek that there wasn't just like we just got to college I continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► to keep the party going you know so you know the culture couldn't be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► of Google and Facebook and everything that they try to give their employees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► the best like post college party experience and Fog Creek tries to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► people like a kind of a more conservative grown up but still geeky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► and still professional version of that and really is the difference is night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► and day and chances are if you like one of those environments you probably won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► like the other one and vice versa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► yeah I think so how would you describe your home working environment sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► probably like a frat house right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► constantly yeah there's any yeah it's it's pretty much the opposite of both of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► those pics if you can figure that yeah there's there's one of me I'm in a room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1134">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► although I do have the exact same desk as the fog free people that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► allegedly raises and lowers because I I stole it from Joel's post about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► years ago pretty slick wasn't that they would you negotiated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► lifetime burned in exactly exactly like like like 2008 or something like a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► after Joel posted about getting these these awesome electric standing desks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► looking for a couple of death some ik why don't we try these out actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► convince them to get for these and most people didn't like them that much but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► love mine and as part of my leaving a negotiated taking the desk with me which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► involves driving my car into Manhattan taking apart the desk on a weekend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► loading it was quite an ordeal but totally worth it I'm very happy at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► desk I would do it for a desk that it looked like a darker nights es people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1193">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► love that thing I do more of a gallant fan myself before this decade is all I Q [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► Kalan but yeah the Joker is extremely popular kids got a name that cannot be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► oh yeah I would end its but it's it would be a pain if I will work in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► office instead of here at this desk but I got to take it with me to be a pain in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► the ass to get home but I would totally do it I've often thought recently you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► know I work at home and have a family now that we know we have like a kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► running around in a dog running around and you know I wanna hang out with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► I won't spend time with them is always something going on I wanna do while I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► here working and so it's it's distracting a little bit you know to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► the least and so I thought about you know do I go out somewhere I have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► friends who like run some offices nearby I could I get a desk in them pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► easily and just share a desk in the office and I thought you know should I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► go out and do that mean I should I get more productive and and do that and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► know get a house a little bit but one of the biggest things that has kept me from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► doing that so far is I would hate to have to make two awesome desk set-ups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► home and one at the office and I couldn't just have one like it my office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► desk sucked then I would not want to go in there and I would be able to get as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► much work done but I also don't want to lose my home desk or move it there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► then my home starts to suck so like like when I was a tumbler with the exception [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► standing desks I couldn't really practically get or afford home I i try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► to duplicate the set up as much as possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► their Mac Pros in both places with 2 24 inch monitors in both places same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► keyboard same mouse same mouse pad save headphones try to duplicate everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► exactly the same which is really nice actually because then like the univer- [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► like if you if you if you work somewhere like either at home or work you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► really big monitor and the other place you don't like that sucks having made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► that transition everyday you know so like I was trying to keep everything the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► same in both places to make it just you know I'm a picky eater not the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► thing that I can do and the idea now of like trying to clone the setup I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► now at an office on my own experience at my own expense by another desktop or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► laptop both places by in the monitor and keyboard and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► at so wasteful I don't do that same year another day another nice chair you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► it's just I'm very comfortable in my home environment and I think I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► distractions are just gonna be you know a cost of doing business at home but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► overall I think I like that better I was trying to Google I remember this from 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► a.m. seriously 10 years ago but I had a friend who had a website Jason Perkins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► had a website show us your workspace and it's a 404 now it was like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► what's what is your desk look like so I it's been like three hours cleaning my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1376">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► now followed by a head on it took a picture of mine that looked like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► nice and send it in and described it all including the fact that the desk was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► darker and then a year or two later there was a guy who put together a site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► I think I swear had some kind of funny name that played it was totally wink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► wink nudge nudge on a name I think it was called show us your jerker and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► wanted permission to do it all use the same picture and say the Corsican well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► that's one of the things like they were there is a 1750 still make it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► probably do but there was a period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► back back like when everyone was buying like ass lawns and and building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► computers and GeForce threes I 2001 ish back then there is a period where like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► everybody every geek on the internet was telling every other week on the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► to buy this desk whenever the topic come up and it they get to keep the world is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► full of directors and they're all like full of like giant our computers of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► people running Linux and everything but there's there's a lot of dust floating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► around I just like being able to tell people that i've i've had photos of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► major published yeah and re-published people liked it so much they wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► with that let's take a break for for sponsor our first sponsor is pain that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► ti and G what is to use a mobile service provider and they make sense no BS their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► name VNO like a reseller on the nationwide Sprint network so what's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► mean how are they different why would you ever wanna go with them said in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► word you can save a lot of dough they have no contracts no early termination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1488">TS</a>]
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00:28:36 ◼ ► newspapers it seems typical you know it's it's summertime news happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► really basis is going to do with the washington post I have no idea I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1723">TS</a>]
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00:28:57 ◼ ► assumption here but it's worth clarifying that Amazon didn't buy right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► the Washington Post Jeff Bezos personally did like he set up a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► LLC I think for just himself to buy it with his money so it's it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► Amazon acquired it and I don't really know I mean I don't know much about Jeff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► Bezos like personally what his personal interests and stuff are I do know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► he's really really smart he is he is one of the smartest people in business today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► and he's he's ridiculously smart and an extremely good business person so I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1768">TS</a>]
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00:29:41 ◼ ► lot of money for him I don't think you know relatively speaking no you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► what actually works out almost shockingly to almost exactly one percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► of his network is his net worth is estimated at twenty five billion so a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► 250 million dollar purchases about 1% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► his net worth that's one of those things where I guess I'm assuming that is net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► worth is largely tied up in Amazon stock so it's not here twenty five billion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► dollars in cash but still going that traces I mean it's not like I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► Amazon could suffer some kind of serious stocks slide but they're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1815">TS</a>]
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00:30:30 ◼ ► WAY less interesting than we all think it could just be that he just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► wanted to he wanted to support you know there were press has a long history of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► being supported by very wealthy individuals are no more foundation for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► families so there's there's definitely precedent for that for this to be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1842">TS</a>]
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00:30:53 ◼ ► those things it's clearly super subjective but you know most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► consider that there's there's really only two top tier newspapers in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1859">TS</a>]
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00:31:13 ◼ ► it's right there in her name but they do have more of a specific focus on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► business you don't really see many things like the way the washington post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► broke this snowden an essay thing that washington journal why I mean the wash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1885">TS</a>]
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00:31:34 ◼ ► of thing that more likely to break in the new york times but not really focus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► more on iPhone rumors right exactly that's what their specialized in but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1899">TS</a>]
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00:31:47 ◼ ► you know especially i mean you know the claim that you know the watergate thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► it wasn't made the Washington Post the watergate thing was sort of a sign of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1910">TS</a>]
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00:31:58 ◼ ► the washington post was a third top tier newspaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1918">TS</a>]
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00:32:07 ◼ ► where I used to work the enquirer knew it was in the eighties The Inquirer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► Philadelphia Inquirer was maybe the next cut below those guys and in fact I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► believe this is true in a 1000 people who work there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► believe I think that's what I heard it when I worked there but over the course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► of the nineteen eighties the philadelphia inquirer one more Pulitzer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► Prizes than any other newspaper in the United States anyway long story short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► term maybe Bezos his plan is to help the Washington Post sort of get back to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1953">TS</a>]
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00:32:43 ◼ ► with it better archrival to the new york times just did you know keep everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► competitive yeah I mean I think I think we're better off with with just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► generally more really great highly respected newspapers you know not fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/1972">TS</a>]
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00:33:26 ◼ ► the last few years and questionable things they published a question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2006">TS</a>]
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00:33:35 ◼ ► trading in order working as a reporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2015">TS</a>]
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00:33:49 ◼ ► their coverage on tech stuff is really abysmal they had that whole the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► like Apple witch hunt thing last year that a lot of it was pretty weak and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2033">TS</a>]
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00:34:15 ◼ ► there is no secret super plan I think you know the fact is that normal people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► think holy shit the guy paid two hundred and fifty million dollars for the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2060">TS</a>]
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00:35:00 ◼ ► margin and generates no money and is all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2100">TS</a>]
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00:35:11 ◼ ► know maybe he just wanted something else to be part of his life I do think those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► two to his credit done to Amazon's credit I think there's a different angle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► though in some ways there are Walmart like I mean the focus on low prices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► the fact that and they had lot of the people most of the people maybe who work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► for them do not have a really great job in a working in a Walmart is certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► not a great job doesn't pay that well working in Amazon fulfillment center not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► a great job as documented so wonderfully by mac mcclellan for his Aprilia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► Atlantic forget to a last year and I i don't know if it was like a lawyers told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► us we can't say it type thing but they didn't say that it was a Walmart and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2154">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► Amazon fulfillment center just said it was a fulfillment center for a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► large Internet Retailer well cough cough it was everyone who was right its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2163">TS</a>]
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00:36:14 ◼ ► to keep up but from a consumer standpoint I think there's a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► difference which is there to me shopping at a wal-mart is a horrible horrifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► experience whereas amazon has always had to me a pretty good customer focus on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► customer experience that they want people to be happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► yeah it's with Walmart it's easier it's easy to see that the good and bad from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► it with Amazon it's a lot easier to just see the good and the bad is is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► hidden away and I'm personally know better than anyone else out there I shop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► there all the time i buy it tons of stuff mammoth I'm pretty much anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► that I can get that Amazon sells I will generally buy it from them and almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► every week there's something from Amazon front of my house and so I really I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► can't say that like you know I'm doing anything about this but they certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► have a lot of the power of an option to use that term I think was invented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► fairly recently described Walmart first round you know they they certainly have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► that problem and a lot and they they exhibit a lot of the predatory behavior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► that that bad news do certainly with the ebook publisher lawsuit thing they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► a lot of this has become more more relevant now and talked about more now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► that you know the way Amazon deals with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► their own suppliers and publishers is generally not good and and can be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► destructive if you're one of those suppliers or or if you're if you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► that market or if your publisher Minato that there's a lot there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► definition of market situation in which there is only one buyer bright like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► monopoly is there's only one seller of something funny is that there's only one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► buyer and so it's a great example for instance if you look at the Evo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► situation if the Kindle remains the dominant ebook platform and if it let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► say let's say I got nowhere or didn't exist and let's say I called little all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► the little guys like oboe and Sony remained little then pretty much if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► were a publisher and wanted to sell e-books at all you pretty much have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► solve Amazon because they're the biggest buyer round or the only buyer around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► so Amazon can then dictate the terms back to their suppliers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► well if you wanna sawdust you have to sell at this price period doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► we don't care if you can't support that we don't care if you've got a business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► you have to solve this price or you have to give us these terms are you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► give a give up this control to us and the suppliers as they really can't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► much in response is what are they gonna do if they pull out of Amazon store no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► one can buy their stuff so it's a it's one of the various you know market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► dysfunctions like monopolies that generally should be avoided as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► generally can cause more harm than good and there's a lot of law and this year I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► don't think I don't remember reading a piece just a few years ago about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► wal-mart had changed the lawnmower industry yes I have read the same when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► it was awesome it was what was the company that was the one that the buck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► the trend I forget I forget it was the gist of it though is that there was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► company that I find the link I'm sure I will put it in the show I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► interrupt the show just to find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► but the gist of it was there is a company that refused to bow to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► demands which was for a cheaper cheaper londoners no matter what I meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► equality and so they said you know what we know and if you don't do this we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► not going to say on all right don't tell her lawn mowers and so they stuck to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► yeah there you go you could send me the link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► perfect I see my keywords to land and so they stopped selling them to other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► the company snapper with higher quality obviously higher price but with much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► higher quality and thrived but that more or less that the Walmart way of selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► a driven all the other makers of lawn mowers to make crappier lawn mowers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► had lower prices because they effectively had didn't have a monopoly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► online orders because wal-mart did make one of them but because so many places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► around the country only place where people want to buy a lawn mowers Walmart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► they had a monopoly on them exactly and and and walmart has has quite a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► this in in a lot of industries in person but it's it's especially I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► know walmart has it doesn't really matter as much for for brick-and-mortar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► retail because even though there are way more people who buy things at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► brick-and-mortar stores and online still I think they're still it's a lot harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► to really build up at room and absentee in brick-and-mortar whereas online or in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► digital technology especially if you look at the book is ample you have DRAM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► and you have you have closed devices so like it'd be really easy it's it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► really easy for Amazon to build up this monopoly by by having a Dr employees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► because you can't you can't read those books and anything else that you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► your gonna keep buying candles in there for you to keep on Kindle books because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► you can't you can't really put books easily onto a candle from anything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► something like imagine if imagine if Apple never remove the DRM from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► iTunes Music Store music mp3's or if they never remove the DRM from that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► never convince labels to let them do that for other good reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► if you were if people were sick iTunes US number one music reseller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► the number of music so everything in the world and certainly the country so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► imagine if tons people's music is still only worked on Apple devices on iPhones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► and iPods and Macs and Windows but still like if you got an Android phone and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► couldn't sink half of your music to it that would be a pretty big problem for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► Android and for the sales of their devices so the reduction of the RMN that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► dramatically increase the possibility of competition and is better for everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► any books you don't have that right and so like there's there's more of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► ability for one company to continue dominating there because they already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► have a big advantage from making decent devices for a few years but now like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► know you look at the Barnes and Noble Nook to Division a shutdown by looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► at other people like Google and Sony they're still making decent readers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► they have they have somewhat of a chance because people will sell to them under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► the agency model prices are the same as Amazon now they weren't for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► because they couldn't lose money every book so now they're president the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► at least temporarily and but if you are ready if you've ever owned a Kindle you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► probably have some kind of selection of Kindle books that are all Dr and every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► Kindle books on the bookstore is darkness far as I know so those are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► dear I'm so you can't switch devices that losing the books you've already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► bought and so the chances of a competitor coming in an ever making a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► dent in that market share are extremely low right the longer it goes it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► take too long bills right doesn't take more than a couple of years of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► reading before you feel like you've got too many books to switch exactly which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► is you know the iPad checks that up in an interesting way in you were devoted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► Kindle reader and you had a decent sized collection you have an iPad now and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► your main reading device you can feel like well I can if I prefer the iBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► app or the you know the interface or just the way the books look I can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► start buying my books and I can still access my Kindle books because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► there and my Kindle app on the same device but that's dependent on both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► Apple continuing to allow that can live to be there and Amazon going to publish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► that you know either one of these companies could decide any time in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► future that it's now it's now worth the risk of losing those customers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► protect the rest of the customer base and to protect the rest the monopoly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► yeah did you see the the DOJ is proposed settlement for Apple the punishment if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► you want to call ya I didn't read the whole thing is nobody does except me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► Patel but I I'll I read like the reporting of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► it does seem a little extreme one part I don't get as I didn't get the part about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► having to not having to avoid the deals they've already made with the Big Six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► publishers i guess its Big Five now has two emerged and not have five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► where they can negotiate new ones who accepted didn't say you can't negotiate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► new ones that you can't negotiate new ones that something something raise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► prices I'm not sure what that means like doesn't mean that they're not allowed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► sell I box for five years very confusing to me what they could negotiate turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► the part that was weird was was the part of it that said that basically have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► let Amazon sell everything they're out now and let it ride all competing book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► stores sell things without you know bypassing the purchase Commission and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► rules and just sell things happen that that seems pretty over-reaching to me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► that that impacts way more than just ebooks and way more than just Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2755">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► well what do you think I would do with what they do it but only with e-book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► sellers and almost certainly they would only do it in the united states and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► a good point although Amazon Amazon has been pretty poor so far at expanding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► their marketplace for digital stuff outside of the USA they have started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► doing it in recent years but I think they're they're way behind so i i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► most of Apple's competition with Amazon is in the you s probably by a pretty big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► margin but yeah I think you're right that if Apple had to do this they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► be like the narrowest possible implementation of this rule but no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► don't see that happening I mean it it would be so dramatic I I have to imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► that Apple will fight that so hard that they will manage not to have to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► here's the here's the actual ruling me read it I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► you know some of those things where I don't know how to interpret it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► require Apple to terminate its existing agreements with the five major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► publishers with which it conspired and to refrain for five years from entering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► new ebook distribution contracts which would restrain apple from competing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► price like I think that the which would restrain apple from competing on price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► claus is the key one but I don't know what that means it sounds like you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► make a most favored nation clause for five years I guess so I guess that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► what it means but to me it's it's a bizarre bizarre but it's a one-sided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► focus on competition where it's free so focused solely on competition of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► Consumer Price is Right consumer's perspective on what do I have to pay to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► get the new Stephen King novel and has nothing to do with the competition from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► doors to publishers at the wholesale division which was 0 competition before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► Apple entered the market with iBooks it was we're going to sell your books for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► $9.99 and it's this is a weird case because you know they independently they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► want to be somewhat punitive because they want to discourage us and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► give Apple some kind of Saipan the risk here but almost every punitive action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► that they can take in this in this situation is either going to not matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► at all to anybody because it's too small in which case account defeats the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► purpose of being a punitive action or it's going to potentially really hard in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► Amazon's monopoly in the future or be very bad for consumers and some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► way so it's like they they they have to somehow give Apple a smack on the wrist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► in a way that doesn't hurt consumers or doesn't hand Amazon enjoy a monopoly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► I don't know if that's really possible it's certainly the the things they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► discussed so far the proposal they've made so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► are don't satisfy that they they they generally give away too much to Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► and hurt consumers too much and so I don't i think is going to be a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► tricky thing to watch it and very tricky thing for the DOJ and Apple workout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► because it is it's a weird it's a weird thing that almost anything they do here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► is going to be is going to have some kind of giant negative consequence to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► yeah I just don't think the antitrust laws or an uneven saying that Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► should be condemned for its behavior I really don't i mean that's you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► think they should be seen as predatory but maybe predatory in a natural way but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► or in a healthy market competition Lee but I just don't think that when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► comes to antitrust stuff that anything on the books is set up for a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► like Amazon which isn't focused on profits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► everything else on the books was all based on the idea of of jacking up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► prices unfairly you know like i think is rockefeller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3014">TS</a>]
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00:50:22 ◼ ► railways per se but so that he could charge all of the other competition in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► the steel industry exhibit in amounts of money to ship deal around the country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► when you and then let you s deal you know ship it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3031">TS</a>]
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00:50:51 ◼ ► in front of fillers take place but anyway it was all about jacking up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► profits you know right now he still was more profitable because he controlled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► the railroad nothing is none of the laws are set up for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► companies like Amazon that doesn't want to jack up the prices after they control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► the market what's tricky also you know you you have you have the issue of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3069">TS</a>]
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00:51:19 ◼ ► book sold for years just to get a giant foothold in the market and then later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► presumably raise prices to a profitable level or at least to breakeven level and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3084">TS</a>]
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00:51:33 ◼ ► your own cost for a long time and losing tons and tons of money is a clear case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3093">TS</a>]
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00:51:58 ◼ ► paid or or at least you know full of ads or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3118">TS</a>]
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00:52:06 ◼ ► who comes in and undercut everybody making something free the previously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► wasn't free and and people call that disruption or they call that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3129">TS</a>]
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00:52:16 ◼ ► money and but really this predatory pricing and in the rest of those in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► other industries that's generally either completely infeasible or potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► illegal or other problems but I think the what what makes it hard to get any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► real policy against and it makes it hard for the DOJ to take action against stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► like this or for people to make more laws about predatory pricing is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► don't think the public really agrees whether that's a bad thing or not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► think a lot of trade off there's a tradeoff writer but they don't see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► trade off because the bright and shiny of free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► blinds them it's it's like a flashlight neurons and they don't see the downside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► to it right i mean i've seen and I'm sure you have to like responses to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► anything I've said or written about the Amazon Apple iBook case there's extreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► division between the sides of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► who agree that it's kind of crappy that Amazon can willingly lose money for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► years on on everything for a long time and drive competitors out of business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► and any other half of the respondents are like well this is great for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► consumers the prices are lower what's the problem exactly known as people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► are more vociferous and a lot of them have long memories and I used to buy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3208">TS</a>]
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00:53:47 ◼ ► market on this thing people don't realize you read the actual case and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► Apple AAPL you know all they did really didn't fix prices are fair to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► position but they didn't set prices they said a range of prices but all they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► really did was convinced the resellers that are the publishers that their way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► out of the Amazon problem was to switch to the agency which specifies writing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► contract that Amazon can lower the price that they have to sell for this price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► the price you the publisher pics and then send them thirty percent right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► I've seen people say that their publishers were stupid because thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► percent they were getting out of $14.99 agency model was less than the five or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► six bucks that they were getting when they were selling them wholesale to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► Amazon for fifteen sixteen dollars and is only selling them for $10 ones they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► sell them to Amazon wholesale it doesn't matter what they sell for retail but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► don't think it was stupid because what they were doing and what their concern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► was was that Amazon was changing the long-term perspective of people on what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3295">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► you should pay for a new book exactly you know and so so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► Amazon could at any point in the future being the ebook monopoly they could at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► any point in the future say alright publishers before we buy our books for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► whatever it was 12 bucks or whatever the wholesale price was now willing to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► seven so we can start making some money by selling them at 10 so you don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► it you can take your book somewhere else and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► have anybody with the Kindle be able to read them and there are a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► companies that have you know wisely consider the price of the product part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► of the brand you know that it doesn't have to be a luxury item you know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► it but it is true that for like luxury items part of it is the brand I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► know the fact that a nice car costs more is part of the brand of prestige in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► fact that a Rolex is an expensive watch as part of their brand I mean there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► reason you can't buy a new Rolex on Amazon they won't they just won't allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► them to be resellers right now products like that and they wouldn't allow a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► reseller to sell it below the retail price exactly i mean an end and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► the App Store works and apple and like the Apple App Store works on the agency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► model and we're all fine for its great you know Apple does not adjust the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► prices we do and Apple takes a fixed percentage of the of the price as their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► commission and we get a fixed percentage of whatever we set back back when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► well as the owner of an Android app briefly I one of the big problems with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► putting it on the on the Amazon Android App Store it when US with no space is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► that Amazon takes all of the control from that Amazon get the ability to set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► you set the price but an Amazon can change it without your permission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► whenever they want to for whatever reason and do they hate you the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► you saturday did not know they just pay you a price of whatever they say yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► exactly like we did investor for Android and put it on the Amazon Appstore he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► said it's 499 same as iPhone and then it shows up on the store and its 199 yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► 30 cents in their defense I don't know if that's still the case but when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► launched at that was the case and it certainly said that way for at least a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► year so I'm hoping it's no longer the case but it wouldn't surprise me if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► is because that's a very similar deal they make with our Kindle content and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► it's really like I had the same the same problem with when I put the magazine on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► the Kindle Store which I also have since before right before so little and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► agreed let's take it off the Kindle Store because it was it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► royal pain and it was not worth it and the app was terrible and the tools were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► awful etc but Amazon's all about taking control away from people because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► they think they know best and you know you can't fault them for that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► thinks they know best for lots of areas too but but Amazon things they know best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► for pricing is there the retailer and you're right like it when when pricing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3475">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► is a part of your brand or or if if changes like you know let's say you sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► your app on the Google Play Store for five bucks yet right but let's let's say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► supposed supposing somebody can sell on Apple and Google Play Store for $5 maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► one person can I don't know and if and if they if they put on the Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► Appstore so they can get an uncontrolled fires and stuff is pretty important than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► Amazon then selling it for like $3 well why would anybody then buy it from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► Play Store 45 when they can buy from Amazon store 439 people a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► get that I think people who don't have a product that they have to set the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► for and who are hoping to make it successful in the long run they did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► just never occurs to them like just you know and and the funny thing is is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► people who really care about e-book prices you know the people you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► really upset the prices went from 9912 9913 end of books that mean that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3534">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► whole reason is that they read a lot of books but I don't think they're thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► about the fact that Amazon strategy could seriously decrease the quality of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► books over time because they would it would dry up all the the meager profits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► that are involved and it's certainly nobody you know for every you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► Stephen King there's you know most people who write novels you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3557">TS</a>]
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00:59:27 ◼ ► paying and endeavour now I'm curious in case you haven't lost your entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► audience yet by us not talking about tech promotions episode do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► Apple's doing that to software pricing inadvertently or or indirectly by there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► by the structure of the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3583">TS</a>]
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01:01:54 ◼ ► maybe but maybe not because I don't know that selling apps like the kind of apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3714">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► that we make was all that driving a business before the App Store well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3721">TS</a>]
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01:06:11 ◼ ► iPhone apps that are making money through other means besides charging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/3971">TS</a>]
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01:07:17 ◼ ► own apps there's gonna be a pretty big problem of competition and of flooding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► the market and so a lot of times like if you make a really great app in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► category that's very very crowded it might not matter because that like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/4048">TS</a>]
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01:07:55 ◼ ► people to buy it because they say I'm not gonna buy a $4.99 after $7.99 nap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/4075">TS</a>]
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01:08:25 ◼ ► hurting us or is the problem that the market is really moving on and that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► don't accept it that they know they are are we like the record companies in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► early two thousands where the market moving on to a totally different model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► of distribution and profitability and we're sitting here saying why can't we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/4117">TS</a>]
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01:08:48 ◼ ► missing that the whole market is moving towards the other way of doing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/4128">TS</a>]
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01:28:07 ◼ ► night but I know that if it were me I would feel terrible and yeah there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► always going to be that there's always going to be people who will do a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5292">TS</a>]
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01:28:23 ◼ ► like you know like it when it like whether you're nice to telemarketers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5303">TS</a>]
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01:28:31 ◼ ► have a problem being rude telemarketers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5311">TS</a>]
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01:28:46 ◼ ► that job at all you have a different moral compass tonight do ya like at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► and even even when I was in high school having to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:57 ◼ ► and grocery stores and restaurants and stuff I would never even considered for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5337">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► a second taking telemarketing job not once and like so I know there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► options out there this alternate it's like you can't say oh I have to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► it's a marketing job dealing job available and you may be looking at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5352">TS</a>]
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01:29:18 ◼ ► don't know my email address but but you know for the foremost place that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5358">TS</a>]
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01:29:25 ◼ ► alternatives similar thing here like yet you can make a game that uses all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► tricks and uses weird manipulative psychology to extract money to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5373">TS</a>]
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01:29:45 ◼ ► and you know some people think that's fine lol at the market capitalism but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► it's always gonna be a lot of people like us who are like you know i i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5392">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► want to take that path you know I've had to do things in a way that i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5396">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► now I just couldn't stand and I couldn't take long having any job where I wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► proud of what I was doing right but I lot of people can say that right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► even when I had terrible jobs I mean like when I was in high school or as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► guy whose stock the shelves in a big super store pharmacy I mean it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► horrible dreadful menial work and I was bad at it because I'm so bad at doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► things the Poor Dad but I mean I could at least I can only say I was maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► necessarily proud of my efficiency that I could say you know I did something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:33 ◼ ► that made the world a better place I put shampoo bottles you know from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5433">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► cardboard box on the shelf so people can buy them yeah I mean when my eight hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► were done the store was in better shape than when I left you know and people got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► what they came into the store for you you were a net gain for society you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► weren't taking from society you were given to society in some way if you sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:55 ◼ ► up to be a telemarketer you're admitting that all day every day you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5455">TS</a>]
01:30:58 ◼ ► ruining somebody's minute right your job is to make people's lives little worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5458">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► all the time it's like and I mean like it when I was in college I i briefly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► worked it's a year I worked at Staples and one of the reasons I quit was about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5470">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► to be fired and one of the reasons about to be fired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► was because I refused to read from the script we were given to convince people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► to buy gold-plated USB cables because the gold-plated cables were like 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► bucks for 20 bucks and those are both insane ripoffs but they give us like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► these Diesel cards which I scan and kept his cards with like here's how I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► supposed to present the events of the gold plated cable but there are none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► it's a total scam but here's here's the supposed to say I'm like me being a nerd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► I was like well these three are even true that's totally that's why I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► gonna so contradict the laws of physics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5519">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► exactly like that I'm not going to say that that's like and I would even tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► people I call you can go on like new I get this and yet a measure to do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► appreciate my earliest born Marco I always yeah I haven't changed much I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► pretty much the same guy so yeah like I i was i was unwilling even though is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► job even though I had no money was a crappy job and no one will ever remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► who the hell sold it nobody cared except me and the manager but it's important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► you know the important thing is that I cared they were selling lemon like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► were selling USB cable to work the gold-plated want to do in fact work as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► well as the normal ones but they're overpaying for them right and anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► who's buying cable in a retail store is already screwed like the last thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► need to do is add to that I'm jacking up the price even for her and sorry but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► know the important thing is like I had my own personal standards say you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:06 ◼ ► what it is about the job it isn't about money it isn't about you know what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5586">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► told it's I would feel terrible going home back to my crappy college dorm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5592">TS</a>]
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01:33:23 ◼ ► in the grand scheme of unsavory sales techniques it's at the low end of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► raised their high-end telling somebody a used car that you know is 11 and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5609">TS</a>]
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01:33:53 ◼ ► taken four thousand dollars that's pretty much the USB cable thing right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5633">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► well you know I'm here though you're talking about turning $199 printer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► purchase into a $230 print purchase because you've tacked on a $30 cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► gold-plated cables that printing printer will get exactly you know where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:14 ◼ ► said they actually said that it would print faster and with fewer errors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5654">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► errors because they're the ones and zeros will be sharper such a disaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► and the funny thing is they still do all that stuff like a retail store it on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► stable they all do this like retail like a disaster right well in like Best Buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► doesn't have least last I checked again I don't look for a cable at Best Buy but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► last I did they don't even have a reasonably priced like HDMI cable I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5680">TS</a>]
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01:34:51 ◼ ► $4 HDMI cable there and then the sales guy says look you don't really want if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5691">TS</a>]
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01:35:20 ◼ ► wait for the you know the cable from Amazon or what's the place we go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:26 ◼ ► modifies the monoprice one to show up you know in two days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5726">TS</a>]
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01:37:05 ◼ ► terrible shape again like nothing is where its tags go half of the hooks on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5825">TS</a>]
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01:39:42 ◼ ► really want to watch it that night so without let's pop in to BestBuy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5982">TS</a>]
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01:39:52 ◼ ► have something well the thing I remember was that the last time I been in prior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► it seemed like they had an awful lot more movies it just seems like among the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/5997">TS</a>]
01:40:02 ◼ ► way they've gotten worse is they have far fewer movies than they used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/6002">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► remembered long time ago they used to have thousands and thousands of compact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/6006">TS</a>]
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01:40:17 ◼ ► compact discs where they're not worth stocking a library of them in the store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/6017">TS</a>]
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01:40:27 ◼ ► movie business so strongly but I hadn't gone but I don't think walmart has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuxrzs8Y/6027">TS</a>]
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