The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► you not technically a back-to-back guess but you're a back-to-back appear on the [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► shell a show as the live show and and you made a surprise parents brought the [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► house down [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► wasn't that fun which are really good I was a blast I really had no idea people [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► like wow I can't believe it you got all three you look nice take it day guys on [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► stage and I had no idea I literally until like 10 minutes before the show is [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► all I did I knew simpson's gonna be there [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► yeah and he was just like we actually didn't even ask just like I'm gonna have [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► some of the guys come out and by the way out of plane doesn't land until like [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► they got delayed he texted me a few days before that and said here you gonna be a [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► dub dub I said no he said I'm doing a thing for the talk show I wrote [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► something for you and Marilyn to perform with me I said yes your plane I guess it [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► was delayed it wasn't you planned it that way but apparently they were going [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► curtains were supposed to go up around 6:30 and you you relate wheels down at [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► SFO it likes 5 after six [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► yeah and I was on camera that morning for one of my one of my shoots that I [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► wasn't directing somebody else was but I was on camera [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► up until like 2 o'clock out a hard cut off and then I literally just had a pick [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► up from where was the crew was all rushing in a like a like a complete wat [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► i said im sorry have to go beyond a podcast and that's it and that's [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► depending on where you were at me now that could be it probably took you [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► longer to get to LAX then it took lax the flight to get to San Francisco yeah [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► it's a real quick hop takes a lot out of you right cuz it's all you know getting [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► in and out of lax it's a nightmare [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► yeah well it was a real 30 I thought it was for me too me too I don't know that [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► the show was it seemed to be a smashing success yeah went off really well Amy [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► brought up one thing and I thought I think she's exactly right everybody is [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► sort of an agreement afterwards is that we didn't really might the audience and [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► we all just did handheld mics on stage and everybody sounds great but because [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► we didn't make the audience if you don't know any worse you might think Scott [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► bombed really because he indeed was the complete opposite I mean I absolutely [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► killed but because he killed he actually had to wait some time for the audience [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► laughter died down to continue with the jokes but on the audio recording it [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► comes to the crisis and maybe sort of like rethinking my god it's the it's the [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► Howard Dean effect it's it's all about the quality of the microphone that can [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► make a Reg somebody's career but anyway anybody was confused or perhaps [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► concerned that that Scott simpson's act on the show last week perhaps did not go [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► over well did the complete opposite is the case it was aight I would I mean [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► this child with no I probably was riotous laughter yeah it was my first [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► time having gotten to see him do that which he's been doing for probably seems [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► like a year now and you've seen him before but it was my first time in so I [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► only had my imagination to go by [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► because I know how funny the man is and he just absolutely was he was Scott [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► Simpson on stage except just more so and it was perfect I find it fascinating [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► because it's you know I would never do it I mean I'm not funny enough and I [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► don't have the demeanor but it's within my imagination to think about screwing [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► around doing right to talk I do conferences and stuff but it's [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► fascinating to watch your friend do it and having just seen him a few months [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► ago he's gotten better cuz that's the thing is a key actually kids around he's [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► working his ass off on this I mean he's doing like eight nights a week [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► yeah but he's good but it's different because when I saw a few months ago it [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► was like an open night comedians at a bar in San Francisco and it's like that [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► toughest it's the toughest room I could ever imagine because it's half the room [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► is other comedians who are all just obsessing over their own stuff because [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► they've just gone on in their thinking about what worked and what didn't work [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► or they're about to go on and they're they're just sort of in that backstage [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► mindset that they don't you know they're they're not paying attention to you and [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► then the other have just drunk people at a bar and it's the expectation in the [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► entitlement of the audience that makes the biggest difference if it's what you [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► do or what I've occasionally done which is actually just going up in talking [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► like a monologue and there's not the expectation the expectation of laughter [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► so the laughter is almost sometimes out of awkward politeness right where it's [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► the kind of joke none joke that sort of like almost like an awkward self [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► reference or like you know common accounting you know what I'm talking [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► about and then you've got that there you get a chuckle from that from the [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► audience but while it's just the pressure must be excruciating I [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► completely agree and I got was [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► I was actually nervous I got in have to do anything I just SAT there with a [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► drink in my hand but I got like I got like these incredibly sweaty palms like [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► I was like hanging by my fingertips like four stories up in the air [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► thinking about my friend going in front of this audience when you when I speak [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► in public conferences you know we go to web stalker or something like that back [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► in the day South by Southwest ER or when I do something like a live episode of [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► the talk show the audience knows us already there they've come the people [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► who come to web stock are there to see people like me and you speak and they [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► already know us and there they want to like what we're about the same whereas [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► when you're just at the open mic at a bar some of the people who are they [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► didn't even know it was open mic yeah they they don't care they want to be [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► entertained and then there's almost there is no benefit of the doubt it's [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► it's it's all it's like I hate you until you please me so when you see people and [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► you know it's not like it's a surprise to me that a common stand up comedy is [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► hard you know there's been some good movies like Seinfeld had a good movie a [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► couple years ago [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► get the title was but about how hard you know how much writing is involved [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► because it's you know it's a lot of writing during the day and its work at [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► night of getting it down and I think it really shows yeah well I think that [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► he'll be doing a lot more of it and bigger contacts and how cool is it the [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► kind of had a built-in audience going in you know smallish audience but at least [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► one that was interested in pursuing his career yeah absolutely and they had [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► these days he's going to be the guy well you know you're at your the other one if [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► you like old guys get to see you know I knew that go back when he would talk to [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► people like me now [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► gotta stop talking to you in the audience were claiming we need to go so [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► weird thing about doing the show the live w monument weird but you know even [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► mentioned it on stage last week show that because you know time was of the [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► essence of a bunch of gas fund was gonna spend a ton of time on it [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► Tech details are nerding out on the design stuff because we could always do [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► that later [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► well now it now is later yeah and in hindsight I really do think like we're [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► recording it on Thursday 2011 days after the Keno boy what really sticks out to [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► me just is is the design 7 sure I get to them really I mean that's what I thought [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► right after the keynote but the more time goes on that really to me it just [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► seems more surprising shocking but surprising sure after what's this [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► it's the thing that people can scrutinize at this point we actually [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► have it how do you think that was to put it in in developers hands at this point [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► being an unbaked product I think that they had to because it's so significant [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► and so much of the success is wrapped up around the App Store and they need is [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► maybe a difficult word so elevated that they may not need anything but they [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► certainly want at least some subset of apps ready to go on day one with this [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► thing and how far along how far away is day one [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► well let's think about that I think that in the past it's always launched with [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► new hardware so they said fall which means from North American or you know [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► northern hemisphere fall last year's schedule was like a late September new [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► iPhone and [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► iPod Touch and then mid-october new iPads I wouldn't be surprised to see [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► that exact schedule reproduced in theory if they have it all ready to go they [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► could just do one big event and do new iPhones and iPads but we're looking at [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► something like September October because that's the new hardware is coming in the [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► new hardware i think is gonna need seven because every single previous year the [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► new hardware has to run the new OS so there's been a lot of talk about this [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► being an opportunity you know there's Marcos post about burning everything [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► down so you can grow you know grow fresh and then there's been a lot of talk [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► about what you just mentioned which is that developers they need refreshed apps [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► in the App Store from day one of the new of the of the of the launch so what do [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► you think is involved in that for most developers is it just a redesign of [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► looking or is it how much re-engineering I really don't know yet and that's [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► really I've been thinking about it nonstop and I probably would have been [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► thinking about it just as much even without that but now I've got a vested [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► interest in it with my own out that just came out and I feel like we're in better [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► shape than most because I feel like we kind of made it a little bit rate [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► correctly gauged which way the wind was blind but it still is a lot of questions [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► you know here's one here's a big one every single app from Apple in Iowa 7 [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► that has a navigation bar at the top in other words I think that title back [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► button at the top left in another table but none that operate its it's white [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► it's a white navigation bar that semi translucent and then they distinguish [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► between them they brand the absolute a bit just by the color of the text [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► are so the calendar app is read the Mail app is blue and yellow but you get to [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► see what I mean they're all white wondering is when I S seven ships and we [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► kind of gathered collective sense of what it means to have a native for iOS 7 [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► user interface is that is everybody going to have to wait now far are we [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► still gonna be allowed to do what what what's what's this isn't even about [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► what's officially prescribed in the Human Interface Guidelines but just sort [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► of what we collectively agree is iowa style design but can we use branded [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► colors in a navigation bar the way yelp is red and that's Perez that slate blue [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► we gonna be able to do that or is that gonna feel weird out of place in the old [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► timey yeah I don't think it's the whiteness the white background [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► necessarily as much as it is the text styling and the you know the borderless [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► labels in the book for those buttons I think that's going to be the universal [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► the only universally accepted unless Apple updates that for some reason which [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► they still may I mean it's it's getting a lot of getting a lot of crap from [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► designers which I guess we'll probably talk some more about but I just as an [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► aside before we got my eye I put it on my everyday phone on day one which was a [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► terrible idea and people warned against I did and that within half a day while I [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► was still up in San Francisco my phone battery was dying within three hours and [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► I was that a cable and it was not so I i downgraded 2614 again soon as I got home [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► and then just before the show so you know I had already kind of foreign my [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► collective opinion about about it by the time I downgraded but I haven't looked [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► at it [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► and then about 45 mins ago I installed on my on a backup phone someone came out [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► again and I set it up as a new phone and it gets you know goes through the [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► welcome you know goes through the selector English your language selector [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► WiFi network and then it says welcome to iPhone on a splash screen and there's an [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► OK button that's not a button it just says okay and I go to tap OK and I [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► missed ok I missed like I felt like it felt like when you when you go to high [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► five somebody and you miss the high five [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► its foreign I definitely think it's you know and I think that the borderless [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► buttons or maybe the most drastic change and that's and I do find it surprising [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► even wrote before and I i sort of a never really didn't know I did not know [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► if this was gone but I did write something along the lines of you know [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► that the gist of it you don't need all that stuff that's bubbly and really over [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► the top [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► making a button super bunny people can get whatever people understand what a [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► touch screen button is now see you don't need to make it look super bunny but [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► they really took out with buttons to the ultimate extreme and completely removed [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► any and all orders from the buttons they're really just text which which [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► means that there is an implied field of where they call it [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► field of interest or something what what is the the top mobile space around the [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► target area the target area there is an implied target area that they that they [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► sort of assume that in 2013 people know where it is but an assumption that whole [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► thing I think it's kind of too early to call really I just missed it [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► yeah I think the thing that sort of feels off to me about no border buttons [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► is that I always associate that with web pages that if the web it never existed I [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► might be more amenable to this then [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► than I am but to me when I see something that you can tap and all it is taxed [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► with no border around it I just think its a linking a webpage right and why is [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► that because of cursor still offers so much more precision targeting than it [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► than it than a finger does right and they do it doesn't seem like it seems [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► like they have generous [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► areas but you know I don't think you missed because the tap areas too small [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► although I don't know maybe in a particular case in that setup screen you [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► did because maybe they haven't seen in a maybe that has everything that they've [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► tested the least because they don't how many times they go through the initial [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► setup screen for a developer beta weightlessness do other things but you [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► know those in some urinals they have like a little printed fly above the [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► drain yes you see ya how clever and invention is that it just seems like the [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► guy who came up with that idea or the manner lady who came up with that idea [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► sorry woman came up with the most pat themselves on the back every single day [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► you know I was gonna say it had to be a man but maybe it was a woman because you [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► know they're the ones who constantly complain about men yeah right it could [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► just be a woman who is managing some sort of facility where they were [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► spending an inordinate amount of time cleaning a sloppy sloppy Pacers [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► so why a fly in like just a tiny balls I or the word ok I wonder that I don't [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► know I don't like depending on with syrians sports teams [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► Obama I mean Red Sox logo in New York Yankees logo in a Boston years actually [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► that probably get a lot of practice spot on targeting I don't know why maybe [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► because at a glance you might think it really is a fly you know I wonder how [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► much they tested it to people if it really were a fly is that it's actually [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► a cool thing to do that to you in a lie [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► seems fun [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► I mean I'm not I'm not a Buddhist or anything but I don't I don't take any [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► extra delight in killing insects crawling on the walls of my house and I [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► gotta get rid of it but you know but I guess I would if I saw your real fly any [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► or all I would try to be so I guess the question well so I just need some I need [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► some sort of an ankle like an object [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► really for me what it's all about the underlying fear of the new of the [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► redesign of the OS for me right now is that none of the buttons are objects in [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► there and I feel like I need objects in my life to touch you not do not as [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► satisfying to touch you know I just had another idea what if you look that up [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► with an actual little hole and they would be like one of those things that [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► the carnival where you should discard cunning and build up a balloon and then [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► get to keep the balloon successfully you know put enough you're into the whole [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► accurately when ya get an inflated blame Justin idea as a free idea that you [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► anybody out there you guys can take three ideas and that's one thing that [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► you know it's need having desperate because I can now say the this is my [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► taste in user interface and one thing we do investor that's completely opposite [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► of the Iowa 7 direction is that for all of our buttons there's really very [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► noticeable tap downstate for when you tap on something terrible but haven't we [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► sort of go the old style ruling from the classic Mac era letterpress does the [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► same thing but it actually in versus the colors so if it's you know a white [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► button and you tap it then it turns dark blue dark blue bunny [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► but it turns white text reverses its lovely how this works where are you to [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► help us sell for a moment it turns it turns out light grey background turns [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► light gray and then the whole cell lift off the page to indicate that its [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► struggle with shadow and I find that to be in other apps just in this modern [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► cutting-edge design aside like when I sometimes CNN and it has like Tiger this [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► is a dark blue nav bar and there's a button I get done by the top right [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► corner and when I tap it if it just gets like a little bit darker that bothers me [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► a little bit because I feel like maybe I missed it I like to know that on my tab [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► down I've hit the target I intended to hit by looking at the pixels that fill [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► out from underneath my finger and I can tell I've got it whereas iOS 7 is the [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► complete opposite sign for most things if you tap them it's almost impossible [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► to see visually on the screen that you did because all they do is really just [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► take the text and make it lighter and the background new nodes and you can [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► tell us doing anything over yet still and that's the only airport texture in [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► the back room still yeah that's your choice it seems almost out of place like [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► the letterpress texture which I love and I'm super happy of the hang on to any of [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► that you look at the Contacts app to have though I do open up the contacts [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► and then a list of people I don't look behind it through the it's like the list [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► itself is translucent and how long does it take you into the parallax trickery [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► with owner and I could tell there was a picture there but it took me took me a [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► surprisingly Laura long amount of time to figure out where that picture was [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► coming from you know [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► so you're saying that the wallpaper is supposed to appear behind its not the [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► wallpaper its you at least for me when I open the context admits using the [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► front-facing camera and showing me but but translucent and very blurred behind [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► the list of all the contacts interesting I'm not saying that maybe I don't know [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► how I got it [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► contacts panel now at a cafe go to favorites I don't have any favorites [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► that's pretty cool I mean what do you think of that is that what does that's [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► what I thought I think it I think it is that it's ready for you to FaceTime ok [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► that's interesting that's interesting aides are always wants you to be aware [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► but that's it but it's only in the context out there right now that's all I [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► see right [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► operating metaphor that is pretty interesting I can't find any I can't [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► think of there being any use for it and like you know because I because I was [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► raised in an era of processor hungry computers by my anxiety it causes [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► anxiety meters eating up processor cycles and at the expense of something [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► else [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► yeah me too little bit my instincts run the other way to be like value [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► efficiency above us but I think you know this is clearly being built I mean [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► literally for like the next 10 years [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► oh absolutely that's it that's the interesting thing about development of [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► this design is that it's not just for iOS that much has to be clear we have to [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► keep that much in mind is that there was a language that's going to be applicable [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► across all their devices even the ones that we don't especially the ones we [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► don't know about yeah yeah I definitely think that that's a big part of it and [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► in fact [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► was like forget who I was talking to at WWDC but I was talking to somebody and [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► you know it's got a second third-hand information but you know somebody i no [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► information there but somebody was talking to somebody and somebody else [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► said that this was largely informed by devices that are coming down the pipe [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► and it's not that it's not supposed to look good on everybody's iPhones and [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► iPads that already existed and upgrade when it comes out but that its hand in [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► hand with new device new stuff that's coming out yeah that makes sense in it [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► it would make sense to me that it's a visual language that's that's not the [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► doesn't have anything to do with touch because you know just personal taste [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► wise I want you know like I said I want objects such as objects to have have to [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► wait and make sense to me that that these new style of weightless buttons or [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► just for things that were also interact with others you know other means whether [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► its voice heard somebody say and you know use an argument that this was meant [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► for because Syria's gonna get stronger and stronger and more intrigued role [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► integral to the US about that I don't know about it either I wanted to follow [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► up with more I think syria remains sort of its own universe and I think sort of [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► sort of rightly so [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► like an entirely second Terry interface to the phone I did it so well you tell [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► me first so I was just going to say it's did I say I do like her daddy do you say [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► that they're serious sort of a secondary interface [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► I said well I like that yeah I don't know I don't think that we see in the [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► touch interface has anything to do with that would make sense but I do like that [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► they're starting to hinted integrating series into deeper controls [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► then just you know where's the nearest gas station yeah I totally agree with [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► that that I think that there's long-term serious plan there too to keep Siri Siri [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► as we know it is baby steps compared to what we're gonna expect of a device in [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► five years in terms of context awareness knowing where you are and what you're [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► doing when you're there I did a video for nuance a few months ago and it was [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► like a vision video that's supposed to sort of imagine how we're gonna be able [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► to interact with their devices through voice and I find myself very frustrated [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► with my cuz when I'm holding my baby and don't have my other hand tree in my my [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► iphone is literally 18 inches from my face that I can't just tell it you know [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► tell it to do something [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► yeah it seems so I don't know why but I rather than just looking at it right now [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► what do you think of the new multitasking and I think it's cool not [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► original I mean in the first I think that the three guys get the credit for [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► this first the webOS palm pre [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► yeah yeah definitely that was that was pretty much exactly the switchers and I [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► think so the one thing Apple added which i think is actually pretty cool is the [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► icons underneath which scroll with a different rate there's a sort of a [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► parallax there so you can go if you wanna go by icon it's a lot faster if [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► you wanna go by screenshot it slower but they're bigger and I think the reason [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► that this works so well is that there are a lot of apps that look almost the [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► same as them just a whitelist with black america text you know now it's the bars [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► all the same it's even harder [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► so the icon is there to disambiguate them and I think that having the icons [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► underneath in a different scrolling list but which matches the screenshots in the [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► center is way cooler than just putting a Nikon badge on screen shots agreed it's [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► taking me a little bit of time he's too how the snap like the physics of the [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► snapping I feel like I i tend to overshoot what I'm going for [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► pretty easily like it's almost too it's almost too classy yeah I guess it's a [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► new messages out and it's I guess it's a new white rectangle so I mean I think [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► having the icons essential yeah the most I think the message is the most [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► controversial for me why so why is that just the well the style of the buns [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► the aquifers buttons in 2006 or so iconic [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► these just seem cheap by comparison like that the fact that they hung onto the [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► dialogue bubble butt just made it to da illustrated without any texture or or [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► death whatsoever and then the cheap little cockeyed animation to bring you [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► up to the top [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► I have to think that the animation for them you know as you type [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► you're saying like when you type the message you hit Send and it pops out of [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► the text field and turned into a bubble it does but it also does it like with [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► one side at a time you know it goes off axis a little bit yeah and the way it [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► feels like a like a train hit off the rails a little bit then why would it why [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► would it do that I'm trying to you know you you always gotta try to force [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► yourself to ask why what's what's behind the decision they had to do something [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► terrible and awful time I mean I was kidding [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► earlier this is terrible and awful but if there's something that you've signed [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► as questionable like there's gotta be some reason behind it but I can't really [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► figure out any reason that one side would go up cockeyed and then settle [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► settle out flat yeah I i cant i really you know again who knows when september [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► twenty something like this thing ships and its ships exactly like this and you [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► know I guess I'll be wrong but I can't help but think that the animation on [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► right now is just not completely but just entombed and yeah that in the right [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► you know I think it was a really hard deadline because they did you know that [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► a certain point no matter how late it was announced to be the BTC they really [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► wanted to get this out at WABC cuz if they didn't get it out at WWDC then when [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► were you know it kinda had to happen and I think it's clear how close they are to [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► being not even having made that deadline having a you know even vaguely usable [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► beta by WTC cuz he didn't even have an iPad version is still down and it is [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► impressive but I do think though that that meant that they had to you know [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► anybody's ever shipped to 1.0 of anything let alone an entire mobile [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► operating system you you really when you have a hard deadline like that you've [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► just gotta start prioritizing what you're going to spend time on before the [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► anything not done by this time isn't gonna make it in [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► I think you know things like crashing bugs or you know actual things that keep [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► you from using the app have to go above getting animation right I'm testing it [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► on a 40 s and that's also one of the things that there's a couple of minutes [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► mostly animation related that real slow enough for us like a bad frame rate and [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► I have full faith that all the time it ships but on the other hand they have [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► shipped it's not like they've never shipped version of iOS that ran slow on [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► older hardware I mean they are you know I mean I think they would certainly [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► would like it to be fast enough for us but I don't know it's a little [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► concerning to me but for us right now as well and i just i mean somebody's [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► animations are really pretty impressive actually realize I just am definitely [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► like just you know going into a nap or going back out to the home screen those [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► don't get jittery at all it's clean it's nice it and it's like its context aware [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► it's like it's not just freezing the frame of what you're looking at and [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► zooming into it [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► there's some dynamic stuff going on feels like yeah definitely I mean and [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► that's you know this isn't breaking any kind of developer NDA be announced that [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► the thing that there is a new an entirely new framework and Iowa 7 could [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► be getting it wrong but I think its dynamics but yes it is you I dynamics [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► it's a physics engine for stuff on screen and it seems to be the ABS the [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► developers that are doing like clever hacks to the SDK for things like save [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► states those of those are going to be the ones that are most kind of screwed [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► by this new stuff where you'll see you like [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► launching into a nap some of the town you know like to eat butter something [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► you'll see a doubling of some of the status bar elements that's not supposed [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► to be there because they're obviously doing something clever to you know [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► refresh their save state from you last launch yeah there's no I mean and that's [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► the nature of the major OS release in you know and and I should say this [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► entire discussion that I even wrote about it earlier this week about people [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► you know don't panic about Iowa seven it's just a bad day to me there's a [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► middle ground it's not the point is not to say hey because it's a beta it's [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► beyond criticism that we've already done half an hour here criticized the point [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► though is you've gotta put it in the context that its beta in early June of [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► something that's probably not gonna ship until late September at the latest I [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► mean at the earliest and who knows maybe not until October so you know it's just [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► don't don't assume that this is what it's going to be when it ships but on [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► the other hand a lot of this you know and and they have design guidelines that [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► are out there pushing a meeting go to apple.com and Iowa seven is what they're [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► showing you in the front pages of daikon so a lot of this is clearly you know is [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► meant to be taken as the final design but as this is pretty much were going to [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► ship so are you in and whiskas and Brent sweating swearing-in at this point or [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► decrease spending long you have long talks about what are you going to [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► redesign now not yet have a few little things but you know we have enough stuff [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► to do in the near term for quick updates to dress a few things that we don't have [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► to worry about it and I you know you know I think we need to have this settle [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► in little bit so that it doesn't feel so foreign before we know what we're [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► supposed to do right somehow it's like you know it's like detecting an accent [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► you know when you say you know it's like when you see it and iPhone app 37 [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► and it just doesn't look right doesn't you know right it's like it's an app [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► that speaking with a foreign accent [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► well i i can't tell what the native Iowa 7 dialect sounds like I agree I don't [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► think there is one cohesive one yet because it's so diverse among all the [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► apps that they shipped me really complain about it is the calendar out [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► yeah I trying to really unusable actually I can't help but think that [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► it's just it's just not even close to finished not even finished being [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► designed feature wise because it doesn't even have a list of events anymore it's [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► just it literally account it's it's like a wall calendar and its you've got the [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► day numbers of the month in one horizontal row where you have to swipe [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► from week to week which is not entirely discoverable or usable like I don't [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► understand why anybody would want that now it just doesn't it doesn't really [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► make sense to me I mean it kind of looks good but in terms of actually using it [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► as your calendar doesn't even seem feasible the animation is slick slick as [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► hell there's like the little bit of offset swipe around but the status by [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► the title bar where the month is them in the search button + it all seems again [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► without any borders are in the objects that all seems crammed together a little [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► bit one thing I noticed was that if you go to the Apple page for iOS 7 they [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► don't even have a demo [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► movies that demo of all the built-in apps for most of the built-in apps [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► calendar doesn't Apple which furthers my vague suspicions that this isn't is so [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► unfinished that they don't even want to show it really but I do it there's some [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► animations of this great like when you're on the annual review [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► 2013 shows little Square thumbnails for each month if I tap on june the J UN it [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► doesn't just the whole view doesn't like fade out fade in the June moves up to [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► where it's supposed to go and then the dates you know I mean there's it's a [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► great little animation the way that it it's they they they stay there it's like [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► you're staying in the same position it instead of the whole view sliding over [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► to the left the elements day on screen and zoom up in the position [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► yeah there's some really nice stuff is there any stuff that you know I'm just [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► curious what made you go wow this is brilliant and what made you go I never [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► want to see that again I guess the first thing that made me say wow was just the [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► basic zooming in zooming out feel like there's something better and way just to [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► me way better about just when you tap an icon in it and it's like the icon sorda [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► turns into the apt and assumes that your face to consume the screening when you [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► hit the home button it's like the screens snaps back into the iPhone Icon [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► also I really dig the new photos out yeah I think the thing where you can [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► zoom out to these tiny north on Nelson's Grove over them extremely cool and is is [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► addressing there is a case where they're addressing an actual problem that real [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► people have which is that you've got eight hundred photos on your photo [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► rolling don't know where water where any of them are [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► what about you what was the first thing I made you say wow [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► probably was the was the new home screen for the new other just seeing the text [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► for the first time was it's not necessarily better is just knew and this [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► was the first really the first new thing that we'd seen design ways in the OS [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► version 1 yeah totally and it hasn't changed since version one except for the [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► notifications that they've added in the middle and I don't mean the new [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► notifications when whenever the whatever always was at five I think so those were [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► huge improvement I don't miss the old blue one with the white stroker on them [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► right but I didn't I don't feel like I was just begging to have later text on [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► it and it just the sort of shameful thought is that it now looks more like [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► other mobile devices as a good let's get back to that one will continue from [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► there remember that but I'm gonna take a break here and talk about our first [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► sponsor you're going to think that this whole thing was fixed but it's not it's [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► a total coincidence or first sponsor is a new company new company called [TS]

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00:41:48 ◼   ► on glass it's a picture frame an amount online so it's not a printed on some [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► kind of paper and then mounted under glass they actually print on the glass [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► they send you a box you send the photos digitally they send you back of box [TS]

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00:42:19 ◼   ► guarantee lifetime warranty a couple of that happiness granted they have three [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► ever they have three sizes they have sizes starting at five by five small [TS]

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00:42:35 ◼   ► they kindly senator the sponsorship they day to couple photos from me and save me [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► samples three these sizes and it's great it's really impressive in its get the [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► crazier it looks in a good way [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► yeah they're really crisp and really well printed and it's you know in the [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► same way that you got your retina display i funny like I was like wow [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► these pixels are right on the surface this looks so much better there's that [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► little bit of pair Alexis the same thing with this whereby printing right on the [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► glass it it's instantly you can tell that even from you know couple feet away [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► that it's not a picture underclass that it's a picture on glass and its [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► frameless it's it's just the glasses there's there's there's nothing separate [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► their mean it comes mounted to a piece of which has like a real secure all in a [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► way to come out to your wall everything is really nice it should be a really [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► nicely crafted product and you put your own imagery on it so it's not like you [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► have to go to the frame store anything cuz it's a drag you just like sending a [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► digital photo you get this cool full full-bleed effect because it's printed [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► page it's like people don't know about fractional be like how the hell did you [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► do that and then be up to you whether you tell them or not but I'm telling you [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► to go check them out and try them out their website is fracture . me our acct [TS]

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00:44:23 ◼   ► gonna think the fix was in [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► as I just thought I literally found this out five minutes started recording [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► they've got it they are they going to yeah we're going to the pool this is how [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► if an editor got an email from them they wanted to confirm that I got that the [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► demos pictures inside adderall listeners are shown in a poor as to who was going [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► to be the guest this week and and I'll dealing with his money was on our minds [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► but the fix was not in I did not know this until I already asked you to be on [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► the show [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► yeah it comes as a surprise to me I didn't know that they were sponsors I [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► think the reason is I think it's inevitable here's why i think its cool [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► companies with interesting new products in this is super call me this is a [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► really need thing I I never in a million years would have come up with this idea [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► but now that I've seen it now this is what I want to do with my pictures that [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► I want to put on the wall from companies like to sponsor this show called [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► companies also clearly wants sandwich videos was the last one the last one was [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► shared but then there's the igloo igloo yeah [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► sponsored twice on the show they're great and now you guys it would last [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► time I was there is one the first one was out it was very funny but now [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► they've got a whole is like a TV series series as a whole series in there [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► they're very funny and my thanks to fracture got a fractured at me and you [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► can find out more and you can soon not yet but soon you'll be able to watch [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► yeah alright so [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► I'm comfortable sort of uncomfortable fact is I was 7 looks more like other [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► mobile operating systems and in addition maybe the thing that looks most like is [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► not another operating system but sort of looks a lot like the Google static for [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► iOS apps which is not the same as Android right the Google Apps Fri West [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► don't look like Android they look like Google's iOS aesthetic yeah that's an [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► interesting distinction how would you characterize it just like text way back [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► white backgrounds translucency right doesn't think it does [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► you know a lighter lighter weight meaning dinner stroke Helvetica these [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► sort of vibrant blue reds yellows you know the Google palette primary colors [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► maybe his way to say it [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► yeah I mean an interior designer but I but I i and you're not you know you're [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► you're not a designer either but I asked you like 10 in your opinion what is [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► later text mean why why that is that akin why do people see why is it [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► trending that way I don't know I don't know what it means I guess it kind of [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► goes hand in hand with friendliness I don't know maybe just sort of general [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► trend has been going out way marketing wise to ever since the I think starting [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► with the MacBook Air but did you know to emphasize there's lightness they [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► period with a lighter text and then last year with the iPhone 5 they really went [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► later they think they've been commissioned might have commissioned a [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► new version of myriad the myriad of a long story short but it's a multiple [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► master fund so it was always intended to have highly adjustable stroke with but [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► they went super lightweight with it because they wanted to emphasize way of [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► emphasizing the physical fitness of the iPhone 5 with the Denison lightness of [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► the marketing material that surrounded it right and they I get that but why [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► does it have to be everywhere why does everybody everything have to be no [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► universally liked I mean to me first of all was the world clamoring for [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► universally later text people looking at like normal weight text and going how my [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► eyes and then I mean I just prefer that it were used selectively just like bold [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► text is I don't know I think it's too I think a lot of it is just subjective and [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► it's what you know [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► Jony ive in the other designers who were calling the shots on I was 7 like [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► whether it's that they like it at the moment or whether it's what they like [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► forever I think it's what they like it's not to my personal liking you know again [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► Vesper serves as a perfect example I mean where the text there is a little [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► heavier if anything it's a little heavier than standard I mean I mean [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► regular weight of medaka ideal sands book i think is a slightly slightly [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► boulder stroke weight and we used semi bold and a bunch of places to go even [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► bolder but I don't think I again I think that's a way where Apple is going to [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► mean I think Apple is setting their own look for the default abs and I don't [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► think third party apps necessarily need to follow that I could be wrong [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► admit I haven't read the designed transition document [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► maybe it said you got a you know how that a culturally everywhere as you're [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► not going to be home but I don't think that's the case I think it's Apple is [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► setting their own look what's interesting to me is that so much focus [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► is being so much attention is being given to the icon the RBI country [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► designs yeah well I'm not surprised but I'm surprised that a week later people [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► are still spending so much time on my right which is just a small slice it's [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► the most visible front racing slice of the redesign but those can be designed [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► without any implication whatsoever on the rest of this operating system but [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► when it when I look at these grand it's all grad still what they've done away [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► completely with is the is the spec the glossy speculate on all the elements [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► which I'm pretty glad it's there in the game center icon still up for some [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► reason I don't know why those bubbles are still glossy but everywhere else [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► it's got a grad from light to dark and what's interesting is that like in the [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► mail app in AppStore and videos and Safari the lighter side of the grad is [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► this neon greenish blue and the implication of those kind of the [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► highlights was the reason to grant exist is because your simulating like there's [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► a light source on the object right right well I guess that's what used to be well [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► I think I feel like it's still got kind of gotta be like this that it's all [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► about making a light source but the weird thing is that they're basically [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► saying that these objects live under fluorescent green light which weird I [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► saw somebody there's a couple things and it certainly got the most attention [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► agree with all of it but I do think I think it's exciting that it and I'm not [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► offended as a lot of people are some of the decisions [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► but I think the reason everybody obsesses over icon design even even now [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► just professional people who actually make a living design icons who are [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► largely are upset about these changes at least in most of the public reaction [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► i've seen that there's sort of a collective what the fuck from people who [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► actually design icons professionally regarding this but I think the reason [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► even armchair critics of Iowa s always or any system will jump on that by [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► konzi's that app icon designs the one area that so capitulated that everybody [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► can imagine doing it even if they don't have the artistic ability to do it [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► everybody thinks he can only imagine being able to draw nap icon sure you [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► just make a doll and a little square so everybody has ideas in any time you've [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► ever done client work involves an icon god that's just the worst cause [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► everybody has an idea you can you can never please anybody with [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► well I mean I really enjoyed living media is did you see the limit is [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► reached he put it up on durable as a reader now I didn't see it it's really [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► anybody could do it pisses people off I love he's he got no and is it partly why [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► 11 those that he's got no off switch things like this is a year or two ago [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► and they've redesign when the itunes logo of people off because he trashed [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► the new one from Apple well I just sent you the link to that and rebel condors [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► have good yeah I got it looks pretty well no actually kind of disagree with [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► some of these ok for example on the mail he went back to these tapered edges on [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► the diagonals things whereas I think that the the new the new look and Iowa [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► seven where they're sort it's more icon defied is actually better they're just [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► these they're not it's a little bit less realistic and little bit more idealized [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► envelope uniformly spaced right but largely I see what you're talking about [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► you see here's the thing I see with the gradients the grads is that I got on the [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► green ones like phone message it looks like they're they're lighted the top [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► dark at the bottom and on the blue ones they're dark at the top and light at the [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► bottom which to me is confusing light source wise if you're talking you know [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► and and in the old iOS the gradients and those the greediness it was all of this [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► was definitely light source and it was about it three dimensionality to them [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► whereas in the new 1 I'm not quite sure why there's great ones that have a [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► gradient because the one if its light at the top target the bottom to me that [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► says it's always get this mixed up a convex shape and if like mail where it [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► starts at the top and light at the bottom it's a concave shape because [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► that's what would catch the light I don't know I don't know I i think is [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► more about sources I mean it's got a basis in photography where sometimes for [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► dramatic effect you under light something one big change though and it's [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► very very clear to me is that the old the old iOS but our icons like the home [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► screen was looked like an array of buttons and I am i dont know thats [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► exactly why they went with this one of the big changes iowa's made and enforces [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► that your icon has to be this round cornered square and a matter what you do [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► it then it is gotta be around corner square and some people have done really [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► clever things to make them 3d books book even though it's still in the US in [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► forest shape to add a bottom edge or something [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► whereas you know on the Mac and Windows and other systems for the outline shape [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► of an icon was completely up to the designer could be anything and I thought [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► I was thought that was clear from this shape and the three dimensionality in [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► the Aqua can do this to them to all of them that they were meant to be like [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► buttons you know any idea what you have a home screen of buttons and these are [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► things you can do on your iPhone in you hit a button to do that and it was [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► almost like you weren't even you didn't even have to think of them as apps thing [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► you did on your phone because they really concerned most people at the time [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► 2007 had a phone that they could barely used to make phone calls that they [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► barely program with their friends and families numbers and associated name and [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► if they did figured out it was a huge pain and so here they're asking people [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► to buy a phone that could browse the internet and be an iPod and manager [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► calendar and do all these things and I you know I think they started with this [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► mindset of all let's pretend that it's a regular fun and you just have these [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► features and there's one level of hierarchy go to Home screen Calendar and [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► it's a but the new buttons are the new icons I was 7 don't look like buttons [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► anymore they still have their uniform outline but it's they're not biting me [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► yeah they're more I don't know in this case I think they are more they're more [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► like abstraction but they're they're like things I i guess i agree with you a [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► UCC that diagram that is supposed to be the guidelines the template with the [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► different circles the grid right thing and the circles way bigger than you [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► think it would be yeah and are sharp al Melvin Morgan [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► and Ray and went so far as to say that it was a wrong it was an aesthetically [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► wrong decision and then a photographer friend David Friedman actually made it [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► interesting point that he feels like it's a choice to break the aesthetic [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► pattern of the aesthetic expectation much in the way of it there's a rule of [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► thirds for photographers and and it's an aesthetic choice to break the rule of [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► thirds for intentionally and he thinks that this that's what I've has done with [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► this grade I think he's exactly right I do not think that it was any sort of [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► ignorance about the conventions of Iowa iconography or best practices of iOS [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► iconography you are not a wariness of what was deemed by good icon designers [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► as the best icons I think it's a deliberate attempt to sort of break [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► those expectations I think there is a sort of sounds dismissive and I don't [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► mean it to be but a sort of cargo cult around icon designed for iOS that there [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► is this this is the right look and feel for a good icon and people some of the [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► people who are good at it got really good at it like there are some really [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► cool icons for iOS apps but I think it really got locked into a certain [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► mentality that I don't know is was meant to be forever I agree I mean this is a [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► radical shift in it but it's not going to be the last radical shift that's [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► gonna happen they might even be making them less [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► chefs will be more temporary trend transitory like just like when you go [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► for it I feel like I said Italy when when there's a shift like this then it [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► just almost implies the next ship is going to shift is gonna happen quicker [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► yeah I think so maybe and I do think to the other big thing about the grid is [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► that the grid is not [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► yet to make any individual icon look better [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► the grid is very specifically about making your entire home screen of 20 or [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► 24 apps all the raid together look better and I do think there's some [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► harmony to that I got mine I happen to have clock next app store next to [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► settings which are all circles in the round square and it's something nice [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► about the fact that all the circles at the same size is live now [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► yeah I read that sentence it's a sweep its not take right on the second hand [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► right give you agree that you may get worried that it's burning CPU so that it [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► should only be updating once every second not third of a second or whatever [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► its sweeping that it's pretty also it's just like I don't know if they could [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► make that secondhand any any thinner than the one pixel by 20 pixels that it [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► is anything but the new folders I think they're really attractive I do too and I [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► think that it's also one of the best uses of translucency yeah and the system [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► and I think the way that you can pan through them you know and make multiple [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► screens folders just literally put all of your even if you have any games you [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► can put them all in one folder games and just sort of happened Tuesday could you [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► know have to mode for your iPhone you could just have all your apps in a [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► folder just four games [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► service which the game mode and paid through I think it's great it's very [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► very thoughtful and in a way that I think really makes it easier to organize [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► a lot of apps yet is among all the changes that we've been talking about is [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► should be instantly familiar 222 existing iPhone users I don't think [TS]

01:02:39 ◼   ► anybody will be confused by these new folders I love that frosted glass [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► I I had I was able to tell on the wall pit the default wallpaper though it [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► installed but I just said like a really colorful photo to the home screen and [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► the folder with the frosted glass this super defocused background it looks more [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► real than anything and I was 16 yeah it looks like it really looks like I should [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► be able to touch it and feel like i text frosted glass texture is one thing I [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► think there's two things about it that they could improve so on the home screen [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► all apps into folders have their label underneath when you tap a folder it [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► opens up zooms up it doesn't again it's the same thing like just sort of zooming [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► in and out but the text goes away and a new text label in a bigger fund is [TS]

01:03:34 ◼   ► written above my link that the label should still be underneath and it should [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► zoom with the icon yeah what's that was I don't know I don't understand it's [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► right there I don't understand why it doesn't seem just like the thing I [TS]

01:03:46 ◼   ► talked about the calendar a couple minutes ago where the month name even [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► though moves into a different position versus the days of the calendar it is [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► assumed into that position in the days I'm sure that space on the bottom for [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► some the other thing I thought is that you should be able to pinch-hit close it [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► and then I read on 9 to 5 Mac the other day that somebody was like poking around [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► the internet even jailbroken poking around the internals of it and there is [TS]

01:04:12 ◼   ► a hidden setting that they obviously were plainly that is right now to close [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► it you just tap away from it but I think you should be able to chip in the new [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► folders yeah I think people get used to the icons I think the colors are [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► curiously chosen oh and you brought it up before that it almost don't know how [TS]

01:04:39 ◼   ► to describe them they're not might there not I don't hate them I don't like this [TS]

01:04:43 ◼   ► really bothers me [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► but they're not to my liking yeah who knows it's just a guess as a [TS]

01:04:52 ◼   ► transitional who knows what next year will be do you think that their target [TS]

01:04:59 ◼   ► audience for the colors question I mean I would think you know younger people [TS]

01:05:04 ◼   ► that's what I think too [TS]

01:05:07 ◼   ► to me it's not a masculine feminine thing it's a kids now kids to to rough [TS]

01:05:12 ◼   ► it doesn't look childish even I've seen a lot of critics of the icons call them [TS]

01:05:17 ◼   ► childish its youthful and I feel like I'm forty I'm old enough for you know [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► there's people who I can call youths a lot younger than me but aren't kids [TS]

01:05:27 ◼   ► definitely there's you know colors come in and out of action just like clothes [TS]

01:05:37 ◼   ► do and I guess that's how it is very current hopefully and like a lot of [TS]

01:05:45 ◼   ► people of compared to compared it to serve a tease me on like Miami vices [TS]

01:05:55 ◼   ► that maybe that's why I think it's also true I do think it's true I think this [TS]

01:06:04 ◼   ► is a lot as it's fundamentally timeless design for the OS but I feel like it [TS]

01:06:09 ◼   ► forwards for fashionable [TS]

01:06:17 ◼   ► decoration on top I feel like the metaphors that they're using in a way [TS]

01:06:22 ◼   ► that they're using zooming in and out and layering is is fundamentally with [TS]

01:06:29 ◼   ► this for you know probably the the rest of Iowa's life and I think it's a good [TS]

01:06:32 ◼   ► thing I think the actual specific palette of like the colors used under [TS]

01:06:36 ◼   ► icons is subject to change in two years [TS]

01:06:40 ◼   ► definitely that's all just skin but it's interesting in for example I do have my [TS]

01:06:45 ◼   ► testing phone I have Google Maps and Google Maps app in the Google Maps app [TS]

01:06:50 ◼   ► really looks like the colors on the icon looks so restrained whereas in general I [TS]

01:06:58 ◼   ► think Google uses you know colors that are more primary then I like typical me [TS]

01:07:05 ◼   ► everybody gray color even black but compared in Apple's new icons Google's [TS]

01:07:13 ◼   ► looks very very flat and I don't mean flattened a three dimensional i mean [TS]

01:07:17 ◼   ► colors yeah just restrained all there there there is sticking with the design [TS]

01:07:23 ◼   ► of the maps which I guess maybe maps have to just be universally colored in [TS]

01:07:27 ◼   ► order to be accessible I don't know D saturated as another yeah I needed it [TS]

01:07:34 ◼   ► really funny to think of Google is the one using D saturated colors kinda crazy [TS]

01:07:41 ◼   ► actually [TS]

01:07:46 ◼   ► the color of them the road in maps as the same color as the same yellow is [TS]

01:07:50 ◼   ► that the top of the notes very close so here's another thing so you go to for [TS]

01:08:08 ◼   ► example and I think it's the best maybe the best example you got in the mail app [TS]

01:08:11 ◼   ► and at the bottom it's the same fundamental layout as the old male you [TS]

01:08:16 ◼   ► know now barred the top can go up and down messages you can go back to the no [TS]

01:08:22 ◼   ► further up the hierarchy and then at the bottom is a toolbar where there's a flag [TS]

01:08:27 ◼   ► button a folder button archiver trash button fly button what do you think [TS]

01:08:34 ◼   ► about those icons at the bottom in the toolbar the square with the arrow all of [TS]

01:08:40 ◼   ► them male like the flag holder archive reply like when you're in a message [TS]

01:08:47 ◼   ► they're they're fine I mean they they they say what they they're just to say [TS]

01:08:56 ◼   ► they're light and nice and clean [TS]

01:08:59 ◼   ► I can't get into the one the square with the pointing arrow though ya know what [TS]

01:09:04 ◼   ► the hell it is that's like replacement share button to share but just action [TS]

01:09:10 ◼   ► because in some cases it's not as sharing it's just sort of like a do [TS]

01:09:14 ◼   ► something with this thing yeah yeah I've always thought of it gets but now it's [TS]

01:09:20 ◼   ► difficult it's it's tricky getting used to the up arrow and it seems like it [TS]

01:09:25 ◼   ► should make that big of a difference i dont like I don't like this [TS]

01:09:30 ◼   ► icons like dry cleaning instructions on a piece of clothing they they they just [TS]

01:09:38 ◼   ► don't fit with anything to my mind and there's this site its [TS]

01:09:44 ◼   ► like Helvetica cons and it smelled weird its age [TS]

01:09:56 ◼   ► LV here it is HLB I T I i cos HLV [TS]

01:10:02 ◼   ► just a Jovi T and then icons . ch as its west and they're not open source their [TS]

01:10:11 ◼   ► royalty free you pay for them but they're like clipart icons you can use [TS]

01:10:15 ◼   ► and there you know the idea is that it's like clip clipart icons that are [TS]

01:10:19 ◼   ► supposed to look like the general aesthetic go Helvetica of the phone and [TS]

01:10:26 ◼   ► I think that they largely succeed I think that they do kind of I don't know [TS]

01:10:30 ◼   ► you know I might even quite sure how to describe that but as Jordan rectangular [TS]

01:10:34 ◼   ► interest to them in uniforms group with characterizes Helvetica these I contact [TS]

01:10:40 ◼   ► that to me is what the icons seven should look like more or less yeah they [TS]

01:10:45 ◼   ► should match somehow harm harmoniously with the feel of Helvetica itself [TS]

01:10:52 ◼   ► whereas these field totally foreign to him and and I you know I actually think [TS]

01:10:59 ◼   ► a lot like Android robotic to me [TS]

01:11:03 ◼   ► yeah they just look like two leaders look like really lightweight Helvetica [TS]

01:11:07 ◼   ► Helvetic ons there's something that doesn't look like there to the linear [TS]

01:11:15 ◼   ► when things are flattening of etiquette they're very flat rectangular it's a [TS]

01:11:21 ◼   ► right corner but when things are curved it's very curvy whereas these have very [TS]

01:11:25 ◼   ► little curved them it's all just rectangles in right angles and 45 degree [TS]

01:11:31 ◼   ► angles and the other thing about them too is that there's again there's almost [TS]

01:11:37 ◼   ► no indication when you've tapped on 15 successfully tap Done unless you kinda [TS]

01:11:42 ◼   ► purposefully tap off to the side because there's no background color change the [TS]

01:11:47 ◼   ► old the IRS had like a paid when you click on toolbar icon or a glow [TS]

01:11:52 ◼   ► glow I i guess its glow and it was a large enough radius on the glow that you [TS]

01:11:58 ◼   ► could see it outside your unless you really covered it up with a big fat [TS]

01:12:04 ◼   ► bummer but we give you this instant hit you know feedback that hey you hit the [TS]

01:12:08 ◼   ► thing that you were trying to hit or they didn't hit the thing that you were [TS]

01:12:12 ◼   ► trying to hit where is this you completely cover them up and the only [TS]

01:12:15 ◼   ► visual indication is that they get lighter concerned about that yeah maybe [TS]

01:12:24 ◼   ► maybe they're just making all this stuff so milquetoast that is just encourage [TS]

01:12:29 ◼   ► people to screw it desires to break it and you know and i hope i know i mean [TS]

01:12:37 ◼   ► this whole show hasn't sounded like them down I was 7 I'm super excited by it [TS]

01:12:41 ◼   ► it's great overall but I think there's a lot of little details on what we've seen [TS]

01:12:44 ◼   ► so far that really need a lot of work [TS]

01:12:47 ◼   ► agreed we did a second sponsors our second sponsor also very excited about [TS]

01:12:55 ◼   ► brand new app just launched today I know that it's all right now we're recording [TS]

01:13:02 ◼   ► on Thursday the 20th I'm not sure though today officially it's in the story [TS]

01:13:06 ◼   ► get it but I know the show's upcoming Council tomorrow so maybe it launched [TS]

01:13:09 ◼   ► yesterday depending on your list called into the browser into the browser you [TS]

01:13:16 ◼   ► can find out more it into the browser . Co CEO here's what it is that iPhone app [TS]

01:13:22 ◼   ► and it turns any web page into a mobile webpage whole point of the app is mobile [TS]

01:13:27 ◼   ► application of the web it downloads just the page's HTML parses out the context [TS]

01:13:33 ◼   ► and content and then it renders it in a beautiful mobile style and it figures [TS]

01:13:37 ◼   ► out which parts of the page which images actually matter and only gets those and [TS]

01:13:43 ◼   ► so it's sort of like the way you might use Instapaper something else to read it [TS]

01:13:47 ◼   ► later it's an aids for reading it now it's a read it now [TS]

01:13:51 ◼   ► and it's great for any kind of context where you're out you don't have a great [TS]

01:13:55 ◼   ► mobile connection earlier at a conference or something like that and [TS]

01:13:58 ◼   ► everything super slow then instead of loading the full web page and then [TS]

01:14:03 ◼   ► mobile firing it somehow it's just you put it and read it now mode and it [TS]

01:14:07 ◼   ► doesn't mobile thing right from the get-go it does a really good job this is [TS]

01:14:12 ◼   ► the hard part sounds like a great idea lots of other apps have done this lots [TS]

01:14:15 ◼   ► of other services do it but I tried out for big stretch and it does a great job [TS]

01:14:22 ◼   ► on all the other every site I tried to use it on does a great job of actually [TS]

01:14:26 ◼   ► figuring out here's the actual part that you want to read and just giving you [TS]

01:14:30 ◼   ► that as an automatic table of contents for every page where parses out the [TS]

01:14:36 ◼   ► links on the page and you described over to the side has nice little 3d effect [TS]

01:14:41 ◼   ► and it just shows you the links on the page which is great if you go to [TS]

01:14:45 ◼   ► something like home page of a blog or something like that you could just go to [TS]

01:14:49 ◼   ► during fireball what it shows you is just a list of all the links on during [TS]

01:14:53 ◼   ► fireball and then you can find the one that you want and just load that so it's [TS]

01:14:57 ◼   ► meant for speed is meant for browsing table of contents style and most [TS]

01:15:04 ◼   ► importantly it does a perfect job rendering during fireball on the iPhone [TS]

01:15:10 ◼   ► it's launching today again I'm quite sure if today is today today or [TS]

01:15:15 ◼   ► yesterday today but when you hear this if you hear me say this to you it's [TS]

01:15:19 ◼   ► their introductory price just $2.99 go to the AppStore search for into the [TS]

01:15:26 ◼   ► browser you'll find it or find out more in the browser dot dot dot com dot Co [TS]

01:15:34 ◼   ► for more information [TS]

01:15:38 ◼   ► my only concern is my concern is have already i already every time I say I [TS]

01:15:44 ◼   ► wanna see Instagram Instapaper and whenever I wanna see Instapaper I say [TS]

01:15:49 ◼   ► Instagram and now I've got a third one [TS]

01:15:51 ◼   ► an instant browser so gonna screw them all up 33 is all we need now more [TS]

01:15:56 ◼   ► instances [TS]

01:15:59 ◼   ► speaking of Instagram though the path and the news today is video stream so [TS]

01:16:05 ◼   ► you're not a vine user very much you've done it a couple times yeah I think it's [TS]

01:16:11 ◼   ► because I'm not good at it I I found to be interesting and I do check once in [TS]

01:16:18 ◼   ► awhile and I'm not good at either lets I want to make that clear I don't I don't [TS]

01:16:24 ◼   ► actually think in that format there are some people that are really good at it [TS]

01:16:28 ◼   ► yeah I am NOT and it does it state tends not to be filmmakers is so there's no [TS]

01:16:36 ◼   ► point there's no there's no connection between their correlation between people [TS]

01:16:40 ◼   ► who make good films and people who should finds my favorite fine person is [TS]

01:16:47 ◼   ► is Will Sasso the comic actor he's to be on MADtv and I don't know what else he's [TS]

01:16:54 ◼   ► been doing using the Three Stooges movie and he makes the funniest lines I've [TS]

01:16:59 ◼   ► ever seen and they always be alive he's the Rob Delaney avoids facing potential [TS]

01:17:06 ◼   ► owners [TS]

01:17:07 ◼   ► Instagram announced today is doing fine does except they're gonna give you 15 [TS]

01:17:15 ◼   ► seconds instead of six seconds which in principle it really seems to rip it [TS]

01:17:22 ◼   ► really seems spiteful it really seems like these other guys built a nice new [TS]

01:17:26 ◼   ► thing that stands on its own [TS]

01:17:30 ◼   ► you know it clearly isn't keeping people from using Instagram it's just a nice [TS]

01:17:35 ◼   ► new thing it just happens to be owned by Twitter arrival of Facebook's and now [TS]

01:17:41 ◼   ► they've gotta do the same thing all the best thing that could possibly happen [TS]

01:17:44 ◼   ► and Instagram accidentally poached its own success or [TS]

01:17:52 ◼   ► what do you call it when the word but basically that that they've they've sort [TS]

01:18:00 ◼   ► of diluted there they've diluted themselves by allowing video and [TS]

01:18:03 ◼   ► nobody's going to be interested in going there for stills or video anymore I mean [TS]

01:18:08 ◼   ► no will to the good people at Instagram but Facebook you know what you took the [TS]

01:18:16 ◼   ► words right now that I'm feel the same way I I like Instagram out using it but [TS]

01:18:22 ◼   ► I feel a decision dick move and I also have to say when I go to answer I don't [TS]

01:18:27 ◼   ► wanna see people's movies divine [TS]

01:18:30 ◼   ► I kind of like the compartmentalization of Instagram and Vine you know things [TS]

01:18:37 ◼   ► like that and you know and if people want to if there's a place where they [TS]

01:18:42 ◼   ► should be sending them are you see amala wants let people post them on their [TS]

01:18:46 ◼   ► facebook waller put on their Twitter something like that but I tend not to [TS]

01:18:50 ◼   ► like it when it's something really special I am instantly start thinking [TS]

01:18:56 ◼   ► about somebody Twitter's all of their Instagram's sure I wanted to see all of [TS]

01:19:02 ◼   ► your instagrams I would follow you on Instagram yeah now we're probably wrong [TS]

01:19:07 ◼   ► and it's gonna be Instagram is going to blow up even huge that it is now video [TS]

01:19:12 ◼   ► is going to be really what ubiquitous in the fifteen seconds for when maybe [TS]

01:19:17 ◼   ► people forget about that would that would suck but I think the vine still [TS]

01:19:24 ◼   ► has something really crucial in special which is the videos are meant to [TS]

01:19:30 ◼   ► autoload and just play without any interaction without any involvement on [TS]

01:19:36 ◼   ► the other users part and you still have to believe you still have to press play [TS]

01:19:40 ◼   ► on the ensuing videos they are driving operated by but I can't see how the [TS]

01:19:48 ◼   ► fifteen seconds [TS]

01:19:50 ◼   ► who knows maybe but it seems to me like when people would come out with rivals [TS]

01:19:57 ◼   ► to Twitter and their future would be that it has more than a hundred and [TS]

01:20:00 ◼   ► forty characters you know that that that hasn't worked so I don't know that it's [TS]

01:20:07 ◼   ► gonna work here either and it's funny again to see Twitter being the one with [TS]

01:20:11 ◼   ► the more restrictive limitation yeah but it makes sense I don't know if it makes [TS]

01:20:23 ◼   ► this is a good idea for Instagram sense I don't know why the the the one point [TS]

01:20:32 ◼   ► of friction to vie for inviting is in the thing that keeps I think people from [TS]

01:20:38 ◼   ► using it as much as they want to is is the load times on the videos and I think [TS]

01:20:43 ◼   ► probably Instagram house I'm just assuming a little bit more capacity but [TS]

01:20:48 ◼   ► I I don't know I guess you know one thing find us it's pretty clever is that [TS]

01:20:53 ◼   ► day auto upload in the background as your recordings they don't let you go [TS]

01:20:58 ◼   ► back right so you start like if you want to have like 33 shots in your mind you [TS]

01:21:04 ◼   ► you hold down for the one and he let go it starts uploading that video [TS]

01:21:09 ◼   ► immediately [TS]

01:21:11 ◼   ► yeah I think so cuz its if you ever try to play with it you never have to wait [TS]

01:21:17 ◼   ► for it to upload I think they're doing some tricks and then even if you cancel [TS]

01:21:21 ◼   ► then they just send a link to the server and say I thought that way right but I [TS]

01:21:33 ◼   ► say they don't sponsors show what else would I S seven [TS]

01:21:46 ◼   ► he played around with radio yes I have I think it's one of the most polished [TS]

01:21:54 ◼   ► parts of it i think it's great it feels like a finished it's one of the few [TS]

01:21:57 ◼   ► things that to me just feels like you don't have to touch it ship it at this [TS]

01:22:00 ◼   ► is great the whole music app is really pretty well done but radio really seems [TS]

01:22:06 ◼   ► done to me what you think I'm just playing around with it for the first [TS]

01:22:12 ◼   ► time actually it's really nice man I just cost us like 15 Grandin music [TS]

01:22:18 ◼   ► licensing could tell you what it was when I tapped to load a song there was [TS]

01:22:28 ◼   ► the gave me the status circled the loading circle which is new in that [TS]

01:22:32 ◼   ► that's across all apps yeah so there's no longer that the dotted line circle [TS]

01:22:40 ◼   ► yeah I don't think so I think it's it's it's a circle yeah it's it's a little [TS]

01:22:47 ◼   ► bit more like a watch thing going I feel like every every decision they make the [TS]

01:22:58 ◼   ► only choice is to be like Bill Murray's character in Royal Tenenbaums when he [TS]

01:23:04 ◼   ► studying kid who's like very much mentally handicapped in if the kid does [TS]

01:23:13 ◼   ► something weird and wrong he just goes fascinating and I feel like I keep [TS]

01:23:17 ◼   ► reacting to this over and over again here's an interesting repercussion of [TS]

01:23:22 ◼   ► the white background everywhere and the music app which i think is right I [TS]

01:23:26 ◼   ► really do think is one of the most polished of all these new apps but the [TS]

01:23:30 ◼   ► music app shows this so any old OS if you had a toolbar at the bottom of your [TS]

01:23:38 ◼   ► app lets say like mail it would by default have this sort of pale blue [TS]

01:23:43 ◼   ► gradient background [TS]

01:23:45 ◼   ► and the buttons were actions so you would hit the reply button and you [TS]

01:23:50 ◼   ► replying to the message you're looking at something was going to happen and if [TS]

01:23:54 ◼   ► you had a tab controller at the bottom it was black with you know [TS]

01:24:00 ◼   ► color screen and and any ideas when you hit these things you weren't doing [TS]

01:24:05 ◼   ► something you were changing the view it to tap controller whereas in an hour and [TS]

01:24:10 ◼   ► iOS 7 everything has a white background and so like in the music app but it is [TS]

01:24:15 ◼   ► still a tab controller at the bottom which it's always been in which makes [TS]

01:24:18 ◼   ► designed sense but it has the same appearance as the action bar in and [TS]

01:24:28 ◼   ► other apps true and again I think they're just assuming the users know by [TS]

01:24:33 ◼   ► now I that's a big assumption I think that they may be right but I think it's [TS]

01:24:37 ◼   ► it's like a serious change the other thing too is that the icons in this apt [TS]

01:24:41 ◼   ► to mir much better [TS]

01:24:43 ◼   ► these are great icons like the radio icon I think it's great and I think it [TS]

01:24:48 ◼   ► looks like Helvetica like little knowledge of the type of the antenna [TS]

01:24:54 ◼   ► yeah I do too as it gets a perfect example of gretna first design it's not [TS]

01:25:02 ◼   ► that the icons warned ratified you know starting three years ago when the iPhone [TS]

01:25:06 ◼   ► 4 came out but they were like ratified versions of the nine icons whereas these [TS]

01:25:11 ◼   ► are red Nikon stars like this tiny little I mean you really have to like [TS]

01:25:17 ◼   ► hold the phone close to my eyes to see it but there's like that little not mean [TS]

01:25:20 ◼   ► tenants great I love their records dexedrine the radio yeah I do to it and [TS]

01:25:26 ◼   ► the parallax yeah yeah it's subtle way less in-your-face than the old Cover [TS]

01:25:34 ◼   ► Flow but its way nicer because it's not in your face it's not like showing off [TS]

01:25:41 ◼   ► lightly this it's you know it's cover flow but it's just a little bit of a [TS]

01:25:46 ◼   ► depth cue yeah and it and it also gives you a [TS]

01:25:49 ◼   ► a left-to-right cue as to where you are in the order and then the only thing [TS]

01:25:59 ◼   ► that is still cover flow like is this is the Safari type switching yes which I [TS]

01:26:08 ◼   ► like and you realize why I know they switch fart apps which includes the old [TS]

01:26:21 ◼   ► Safari switching is now the multitasking go right beside aside from now [TS]

01:26:28 ◼   ► big almost four screen to scroll through left to right it saw there were using [TS]

01:26:32 ◼   ► that metaphor that card metaphor side to side for apps than they needed something [TS]

01:26:38 ◼   ► new for taps right and then yeah i do remember you talking about this and that [TS]

01:26:44 ◼   ► they can get so many more of them on ones which is a good thing as you can [TS]

01:26:49 ◼   ► have more than eight times which is always driving me crazy in the old [TS]

01:26:53 ◼   ► Safari yeah and the other thing that this affords is a much nicer interface [TS]

01:26:59 ◼   ► to iCloud tabs which I use is a great feature because I'm its consulate think [TS]

01:27:07 ◼   ► lake I'll have you know some article by somebody open and mostly red but if I go [TS]

01:27:14 ◼   ► to bed and wake up the next morning I cannot remember which device I read it [TS]

01:27:18 ◼   ► on a dyno its open somewhere but I don't remember where it's really cool it's one [TS]

01:27:23 ◼   ► of those examples of iCloud working like it should display like you know many [TS]

01:27:28 ◼   ► complaints on Safari on my Mac there's a nice cloud button right in my toolbar [TS]

01:27:36 ◼   ► click and it shows all the tabs open on all my devices in on the iPad there's [TS]

01:27:40 ◼   ► the same thing but the iPhone never had that button because it didn't have room [TS]

01:27:44 ◼   ► for it I understand that in every room but what they might use to make you do [TS]

01:27:48 ◼   ► is going to your bookmarks leave whatever folder you were in [TS]

01:27:52 ◼   ► in switch to iCloud tabs folder to get to your iCloud tabs and then that also [TS]

01:27:59 ◼   ► meant that when you wanted to go to your regular bookmarks for your iPhone you [TS]

01:28:03 ◼   ► have to do it all over again [TS]

01:28:05 ◼   ► yeah where is this you just go to your tabs and it shows your tags that are [TS]

01:28:10 ◼   ► open on the phone and then scroll down a little bit further and it just shows you [TS]

01:28:13 ◼   ► all the tabs open as a list on all of your devices [TS]

01:28:20 ◼   ► yeah I'm a big guy clubs we're getting there you know I mean I like I club for [TS]

01:28:28 ◼   ► the stuff that it does well it's the third parties and stuff that it still [TS]

01:28:32 ◼   ► doesn't work well with but for the built-in Apple stuff is really starting [TS]

01:28:36 ◼   ► to work well I can't remember the last time and it may be years well over a [TS]

01:28:42 ◼   ► year two years that I've had a problem with something like contact syncing [TS]

01:28:46 ◼   ► right now that I've entered the contact persons phone number but it hasn't [TS]

01:28:51 ◼   ► synced across all my devices like and to me that I'll never not be magical [TS]

01:28:56 ◼   ► the fact that I can enter any contacts in my Mac instantaneously show on the [TS]

01:29:01 ◼   ► iPhone because we we know what it's like to have to say pilot here [TS]

01:29:06 ◼   ► mcintosh like that sort of thing you do once a year like this it paid your taxes [TS]

01:29:17 ◼   ► I get better soon he said the same thing within to Newton [TS]

01:29:26 ◼   ► command center that was just horrible Mac App [TS]

01:29:32 ◼   ► some but not all of your information between the devices [TS]

01:29:39 ◼   ► new Safari with more than eight times as great as always beat me and I'm sure if [TS]

01:29:45 ◼   ► you're complaining that they would get 28 and get that you were at and then [TS]

01:29:50 ◼   ► click a link like an email and it would go over and just erase I don't remember [TS]

01:29:56 ◼   ► what it was [TS]

01:29:57 ◼   ► well it's the only one with the back button right [TS]

01:29:57 ◼   ► well it's the only one with the back button right [TS]

01:30:00 ◼   ► over David always know I don't think they gave you a back button when they [TS]

01:30:03 ◼   ► did that no way do they think that's how you would know which tower was got over [TS]

01:30:07 ◼   ► it and then you have to make a choice I used to just throw my phone against the [TS]

01:30:12 ◼   ► wall that's how you get more than eight tenths of a weird thing when you want to [TS]

01:30:24 ◼   ► throw at you can only slide it to the one side you have to slide it to the [TS]

01:30:28 ◼   ► left [TS]

01:30:28 ◼   ► like I'm not quite sure why can't you slide it both ways I was there were you [TS]

01:30:31 ◼   ► do have been tapping little access you can just toss it over to the side too [TS]

01:30:35 ◼   ► close to good I think there's a lot of discoverable stuff like that i mean it's [TS]

01:30:43 ◼   ► like them it's kinda like the Mac in that way that there are a lot of tips [TS]

01:30:47 ◼   ► and tricks they are still going left gestures that are left to be discovered [TS]

01:30:52 ◼   ► well and he was gonna be a long summer how do I think there's gonna be a lot of [TS]

01:31:00 ◼   ► baby I think I think we're going to see a lot of pages of this thing I think [TS]

01:31:05 ◼   ► this is the earliest we've ever seen something like this from Apple maybe [TS]

01:31:08 ◼   ► except for the original public betas of Mac OS 10 back in like that like two [TS]

01:31:16 ◼   ► thousand or so yeah and I still think I think what we're seeing a sort of like [TS]

01:31:20 ◼   ► that version of it you know the one where there is the Apple logo in the [TS]

01:31:24 ◼   ► middle of the menu bar I think that's what that's what this is for the iPhone [TS]

01:31:28 ◼   ► except that instead of you know having like two years to sort of polish it up [TS]

01:31:32 ◼   ► they've got about three months but you did a whole episode on the Apple logo [TS]

01:31:39 ◼   ► being center of the menu bar him 2010 you if I would have had a show I [TS]

01:31:44 ◼   ► would've sure thing in the world is gonna end [TS]

01:31:49 ◼   ► I was younger people I just set up a new we got it we got a MacBook Air for our [TS]

01:31:57 ◼   ► in-house production area he's always been a Windows user and it still beats [TS]

01:32:03 ◼   ► me as you just as you just said that the menu bar comes translucent by default [TS]

01:32:09 ◼   ► that Tressel drives me nuts [TS]

01:32:11 ◼   ► yeah but they do that to people I don't know it is weird eh I find it weird to [TS]

01:32:18 ◼   ► set up I still find it really hard to set up a new Mac yeah that's the stuff [TS]

01:32:24 ◼   ► you have to do like throwaway sound effects [TS]

01:32:26 ◼   ► yeah well you throw a sound effects oh absolutely 100 I cuz they drive me [TS]

01:32:33 ◼   ► bonkers like the two call when you throw something away or the crumbling [TS]

01:32:38 ◼   ► crumbling up of trash we have to do is yet to go into court audio services just [TS]

01:32:43 ◼   ► to get to those files it's it's it's really not something you have to show [TS]

01:32:48 ◼   ► package contents but I do it like just a virtually every time I set up a new Mac [TS]

01:32:54 ◼   ► there's no preference for that there is a preference for 500 I hope there is and [TS]

01:33:03 ◼   ► I've just been spending like wasted [TS]

01:33:06 ◼   ► contest we got everybody out there helped him figure this out I would so he [TS]

01:33:11 ◼   ► knows command line all over the is it weird that a weird thing you know shows [TS]

01:33:17 ◼   ► should be almost over but is it weird that the Mac has sound effects for stuff [TS]

01:33:22 ◼   ► like that but i OS doesn't seem like if any of them would have cutie sound [TS]

01:33:26 ◼   ► effects of bis well no I mean I just set up a new new seven install and forcing [TS]

01:33:33 ◼   ► editor was disabled keyboard clicks and lock sounds like my keyboard clicks [TS]