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00:00:44 ◼ ► what you want to call it a divorce between Apple and Google or Google sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/44">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► of taken there have a webcam going their own way I think those two story is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/47">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► pretty much the same story of Google vs Apple the narrative you now have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/52">TS</a>]
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00:01:35 ◼ ► didn't actually and Chinese basically talking about like how easy it is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/95">TS</a>]
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00:01:45 ◼ ► relationship with the bartender constrains which is kind of a passive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/105">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► aggressive classic car reviews seen you know we got some issues we need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/110">TS</a>]
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00:02:06 ◼ ► Facebook home as just software is able to sort of redefine the Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/126">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► experience i mean and i know i make fun of it over and over again the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/132">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► mantra but here's an example where really it really is like it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/138">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► designed at a level where an app that you just download from the Play Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/144">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► can once you you know you granted a bunch of permissions which i think is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/148">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► lot more broad than the typical app download from the Play Store but once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/153">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► you say ok this I'm gonna allow this to do these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/158">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► your your phone interface is really completely redefined and you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/161">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► very very much the case that you cannot do anything like that on iOS I mean I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/166">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► a part of me says thank god you know because when I don't want is for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/171">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► controlling my user experience on my phone I mean I'm sorry I would I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/177">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► rather trust arco Brian you know in my pocket then the Facebook I'm sorry well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/184">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► and and you know I'm no big fan of Android but I will say this though if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/191">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► you think it's to Android's credit and I think it's a lesson learned from the PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/195">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► decade of the nineties and maybe even the two thousands that even though it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/202">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► said let's say you and I don't know this for sure because it's not out yet it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/209">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► doesn't hit the Play Store until the 12th and the Android phone I have here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/212">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► is a Galaxy Nexus and I don't think that's on their list of supported phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/216">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► so I pry won't be able to try it but you know it is still a download from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/221">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► Playstore so if you download it and you don't like what it's done to your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/225">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► you can uninstall it you can delete the app and go back as opposed to the dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/229">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► days of you know PCs especially windows in the nineties where you might install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/234">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► a normal browser toolbars and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/240">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► and you have no idea how to uninstall that's true i mean i i would i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/244">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► give you that I think the other issue which we we don't talk about often with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/249">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► the Android is that you know it allows you to customize everything leg to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/255">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► to the system level and and Facebook is taking advantage of that and creating an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/261">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► experience which is already which is very similar to how they see the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/270">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► and I i wonder if this is something we know something which becomes a trend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/277">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► where successful companies like Facebook like to order like sport if I start to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/282">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► usability interface on top of and right and you know what Google does about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/292">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► would be interesting to see because when I look at Facebook com I was at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/299">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► event yesterday I looked at it and I said you know it's only a matter of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/305">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► before facebook launches its own OS it's only a matter of time before Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/309">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► brings Android back into the into the cage I think it's getting too crazy for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/317">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► them you know it's Samsung is running over a red one version of Android and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/323">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► Amazon did their own thing and you know now I think Facebook is gonna try and do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/328">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► their own thing gets I just think they said at the UN that they will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/333">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► upgrading this every month like played with growing regularity and has like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/338">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► great this is essentially just occurred in the Harz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/344">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► devoted followers I'm another I'll give it eighteen months well and and I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/348">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► say this I mean I didn't I invited to be on the show yesterday but it was mainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/354">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► because I saw that after the event they had a Q&A and and their credit for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/358">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► Q&A with the press you know Apple often usually doesn't but I I saw that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/362">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► were pressing them on this exact issue this come on this is the first step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/370">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► toward your own operating system and they didn't even really I mean they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/374">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► didn't really addressed directly but they didn't really I thought their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/381">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► answers to it we're kind of interesting because it wasn't a cadet denial that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/385">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► for sure you know one thing I like it was quite enjoying it he how very clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/388">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► mark has become in terms of media doesn't even acknowledge the question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/396">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► and answers with what he wants to answer but I tried and they take you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/401">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► limit the limit of time is always an issue but I'm fairly convinced that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/407">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► is just an opening salvo and and they they have to do it like in a move if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/413">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► they aren't investing so much time and energy trying to create this user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/420">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► experience on Android it makes perfect sense for them to go deeper I tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/424">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► they may have been working on and always level program in the background and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/430">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► reason they're not launching a just yet he said it's not mature enough because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/435">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► it takes a lot more to build a building operating system i mean took Google a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/439">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► few years it took Apple many many years to get it done right and you know Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/445">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► is in the business of Google is in the business building operating systems I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/450">TS</a>]
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00:07:41 ◼ ► and they see iOS and this is even just you know from yours even up to today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/461">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► they see it as a continuous effort dating back to 1988 1989 and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/469">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► original NextStep operating system and in terms of things like graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/475">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► the smoothness of animation and rendering and stuff like that and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/481">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► certain technical advantages that iOS has had over Android and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/485">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► competitors all along they see that not as something that they've been working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/490">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► on since 2005 or 2006 when they started working on the iPhone but is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/494">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► that dates back to 1989 I mean it is hard stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/498">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► yeah and and you know and I will give the Facebook guys from credit for being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/502">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► relentless do I think there is a little bit Microsoft in that company and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/509">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► are just a just don't like giving up and I think the thing that you have me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/515">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► convinced of it in terms of this angle that this is just an opening salvo in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/520">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► terms of a broader mobile initiative from Facebook and I think it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/525">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► clever and I think it it shows it's a clever way like you said that if a full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/531">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► operating system under their control maybe something maybe still something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/536">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► based on Android but something more like Amazon's done a fork if it's not ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/540">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► yet this is a very this strategy of doing this first doing the home screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/546">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► first that can you can install on five very popular Android phones and shipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/550">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► a new phone from HTC that'll be an AT&T stores later this month right yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/556">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► a great way to ship something as soon as possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/564">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► you know in that mantra of you know minimum viable product like what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/567">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► minimum viable mobile operating system that Facebook could ship and home screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/573">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► might be it you know it's a way to ship early I think the other thing if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/580">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► John they are they are basically they did something which is quite brilliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/586">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► they told they give the middle finger to Google in a big way and yet at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/593">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► time they kept saying you know we love Google they have never shared in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/599">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► hey Google your grade they're open we have you know we've really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/604">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► applaud what you're doing the narrative on Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/609">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► Google search and then suddenly they were saying all these nice things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/612">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► Google and in my view is you just trying to hide what was said he had to create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/619">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► maybe I'm a little bit too cynical or to order for this industry but that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/624">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► he did the shocking thing which I would say is that they're also Google's big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/629">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► play was Google+ on the mobile right that's their social and here comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/635">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► Facebook had to switch earlier on top of handwriting and cheese great guys to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/642">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► help with you and your Google Plus 8 is out we do social on your platform right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/648">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► and I think that is what is going to make Google kind of have a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/654">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► a second targets too late what should they do about Facebook and Android and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/659">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► height I i i do think I've seen it on Twitter and i've seen it also I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/666">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► boris did you a Simcoe speculating along the same lines of does this is not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/671">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► end I think Google was already being prodded in this direction of hey we'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/680">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► given competitors too much by making Android this open too much of a leg up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/683">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► right leg where wood and where would Amazon be in tablets if it were not for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/689">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► the fact that Android is opens open source have we given away too much you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/694">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► can't help but think given the it's not even implicit and explicit everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/699">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► knows that Larry Page is is seriously got Google+ as one of his primary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/704">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► objectives for the next few years ago Google right and that Facebook might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/711">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► their top competitor even more than Apple more than you know the most direct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/715">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► competitor maybe and now they've given their most direct competitor this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/719">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► to wonder whether they're they're reconsidering what that's going to mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/729">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► for the next major version of Android and be fun to see what happens I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/732">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► almost giddy with delight to describe the next story whatever happens will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/739">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► pretty arts and on similar lines I i wrote a little bit earlier this week but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/743">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► I played off a report by Nicholas Carlson in Business Insider Andy rubin's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/750">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► departure as Android lead and that it's nobody's on the record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/758">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► unfortunately but it's really seems more and more than he would happen to him is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/763">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► exactly what happened to Scott Forstall at Apple which is that he got pushed out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/768">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► we didn't decide to step down yet his his little do another moon shot for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/774">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► Google thing is really just a gardening leave where he's you know waiting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/781">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► options divest or something like that are non compete to expire I would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/785">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► disagree with you I heard the same story from multiple sources that he got pushed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/790">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► out mostly because he was very difficult to work for it I mean I go again the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/795">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► phrase I heard from somebody was quote unquote larry was sick of the fighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/801">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► yeah and the thing that so telling about that and is that the fighting was with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/804">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► me from passing on sundar Pichai the crown leader who took over Android and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/810">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► that's really when you read between the lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/821">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► the biggest tell that this was not an d rubin's idea because I am a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/823">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► people said the same thing that child is the last guy Andy Rubin would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/828">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► wanted to take over Android is he's the guy he was fighting with all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/832">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► one of the guys he was fighting with all the time I think it was a very explicit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/836">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► message which went out to rest of the companies that you do what is necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/840">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► for Google this is why I am convinced that the Android get you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/846">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► gets brought back to the farm I did too much I've said this for years and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/853">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► just not mad it's not even like the details of it it's just a general feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/860">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► like an emotional feel that Android to me always felt like an independent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/864">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► company that Google happens down not part of Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/870">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► just everything from their graphic design too I know there's just so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/877">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► about it that it just did not seem aligned with the company really other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/882">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► than the fact that it ships with a bunch of Google services you know as apps in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/885">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► part of the default upset and I think that definitely the message that I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/890">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► is that going to change and that the next major version of Android is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/897">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► be a lot more googling the talking of next version of Android being more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/900">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► googly I would say it's interesting that the Chrome OS and Android look so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/909">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► similar when their purposes are entirely different and I just wonder what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/922">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► unified experience look like he's two projects actually run by the same guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/928">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► will be pretty fun to see and I'm I'm actually pretty excited about your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/934">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► Google is doing not not entirely as as somebody who's going to end up spending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/941">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► his time on Android but just to see them make these moves is at least interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/946">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► you know if they're not being boring compared to now that's definitely the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/952">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► case you know and I think people I think some people over read into my taste in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/956">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► the fact that I generally prefer over Android and most design centers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/963">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► not to mean that that that doesn't mean that I don't look at Android with open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/970">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► eyes and appreciate a lot of the stuff that they're doing and I agree with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/974">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► i i especially now that it's under 11 person I do wonder where that's gonna go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/978">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► with chrome is an OS Android OS rain I you know this brings me to the bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/985">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► challenge in the beaches you and I have talked about this in the passive Lake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/991">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► what we what does Apple do like he know this is you know time and the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/996">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► operating systems user interfaces everything is up for grabs and it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► like our guys and just like to be littered stockard static I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► what do you think about that I mean you you are very close to the design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► thinking around a pole and iPhone and iOS wow I i dont know I don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► there's as much need for new stuff major news stuff as as some people do because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► I don't know I can again I i think i talked about this in a sense that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► getting older that I'm no longer as infatuated with new for the sake of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► newness I guess some people yesterday I saw people and immediately after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► Facebook home launched from owning the fact that that that that little drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► left or right thing seems so much more cooler than than anything and I S and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► is cool and it's definitely novel but I feel like I can't help but wonder if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► that's gonna be confusing to a lot of people like I i appreciate the fact not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1076">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► that I need it as a super nerd type of guy but I for most people I i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► the fact that on iOS you can just look at it and figure it out it it it tells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► you like it actually tells you and iOS when you have your phone locked slide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► this to unlock it and people some people still have trouble with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► because they don't slide all the way in and hold it does slide a little bit let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► go and it goes back so I think it's really hard to overstate the success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► Apple's had because iOS is so simple and there's so many ways that what people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► see in other systems that they see as Apple may be falling behind in with bang [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► regard would just lose so much of what makes iOS popular with regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► you know I just a little confusing time right now I think the there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► at least there is a lot of talk about how things are different now we'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► you know Android and Samsung you know all sorts of new user experiences coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► to market and and then you also had the issue of like you know i mean Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► still continues to do really I wonder if like the next you know report is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► to be something to watch for you know I don't know I don't know I guess that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► coming soon I feel like they warned so heavily that this was going to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► first I mean if it's not there there really gonna blow past expectations but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► they warned so heavily three months ago that this coming report was gonna be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► first one in nine on how many quarters 16 quarters or something like that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► shows a year-over-year earnings decrease although I think revenues should still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► increase significantly year over year but the margins have shrunk enough for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► whatever reason recently that earnings are going to be down a little bit year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1196">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► over year so we'll see how the market reacts but I think that that's already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► baked into the the depression of Apple's stock price great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► about like in this bigger the bigger netted him and on Apple is that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► failing to keep up on the the play outside of things which i think is a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► challenge for them you know we saw the iCloud related stories pop up this past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► week and then you have the the problem with chrome or so to speak and I know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► would love to know your thinking about this figure the guy who understands the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► software site if Apple better than most people do I think that that one of the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► do think of the most part that that getting the iCloud stuff to work as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► as the guy I think it needs for Apple to really succeed over the next five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► I have in the last five yrs the iCloud stuff needs to start working as well for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► third-party developers as what do you want to call it Cocoa Touch or UIKit but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► whatever you want to call it that this framework that you used to make native [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► iPhone and iPad apps and how much you know when you talk to developers how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► much easier it is to write really good-looking smoothly animated beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► apps for iPhone as opposed to other platforms they need to get it so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► writing stuff that stores data and sinks data to the cloud is just as good as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► is to make good looking at apps doesn't make sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► yea and they're not there yet and you know part of it I just saw that Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► has announced some new developer features fried Google Drive and some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► them you know a couple of the headlines have said that its iCloud heading in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► direction of iCloud where it's not just like Dropbox where it's a folder that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► you sync to Google it has they've added key-value storage which is an iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► feature in a taxi and iCloud feature that works pretty well if you talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► developers and I forget what else but they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► I get data base level database record levels think they don't even try it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► that's the part of iCloud that developers are bedeviled by it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► what you know the Ars Technica story was about that's what rich seals incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► detailed and I think very very fair technical assessment that are linked to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► under this week and it's also diverged who was it who wrote the story was Ellis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► hamburger hamburger at the verge had a really great story and what made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► great was he really hit me must have talked to at least two dozen or more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► developers to get different perspectives but they all kind of told the same story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► about poor data sync entire cloud Google doesn't even try that I mean so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1374">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► frustrating for developers insofar as that core data syncing to iCloud it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► is not fair to say it doesn't work but it is fair to say it does not work well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► enough and to the point where a lot of applications simply can't rely on it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► in another sense Apple's ahead because they're at least trying something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► Google isn't offering it you know Amazon doesn't have so we'll see I mean is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► is it is a case where maybe they shouldn't have shipped when they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► maybe they should have left it in the in the labs for another year or was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► worth getting it out there to to maybe help iron out the kinks in the future in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► the feel you know i i would say that you know they they need to kind of take at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► least a step back and leg figure out the entire internet strategy now just iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► not just iTunes they really need to figure out how internet interfaces with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► everything they do including their IRS how deeply integrated I think what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► trying to say is that if you look at Google they are coming from disposition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► of knowing web services really really well and they're building a design and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► hardware experience on top of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► much easier to do compared to what Apple is trying to do is graphical web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► experience into its way of thinking and I think unless they figure that out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► there will always be challenged for this I go out I problems I think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► company they don't think about the internet the way as native Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► companies do and I think they're not understanding the little fact that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► not enough to make great design create hugh i great hardware great software you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► have to have the ability to be a great connected experience and I think great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► as Apple might be on all those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► internet is and will always be it you know we cried and they're in a chink in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► the armor and they said they really need to kind they have to have a step back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► thinking about this and that they need I personally think they need to go find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► thirty five-year-old chief internet officer that's what they need they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► need a big company there need to buy a lot of things they need to buy a guy on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► a guy who are native internet thinkers who are in their mid-thirties who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► grown up on broadband who think about devices from a connected experience side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► if I was free I would want to hear but I'm not but they would look you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► there's a guy who don't snap guide you the friend of mine Daniel rapper he know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► he could be a good guide to run did you know the internet like ideology they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1554">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► need the internet ideology and they need to inculcate the whole company with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► connected thinking and I don't think they have it I just look at all their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► products great as did not I would not be able to use anything from any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► company but they still need to think about the services as part of the core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► software not be an experience and if they need to go away from this what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► happening with iCloud if it just is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► bringing in that DNA I mean I know it sounds kind of I would dare but at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► that's how I think about it I agree that I think that there's I've always said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► that I think for anybody whether it's a person or even an institution where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► start in forums where you're going to look at things forever and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► Apple started pre-internet by decades and I mean just for example I i went my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► freshman year of college was 1991 and I went to a very technical University [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► Drexel is you know super nerdy one of the first famously one of the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► colleges that required all students to have a computer but when I got there in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► 1991 and everybody was supposed to buy a Mac and they committed you know traffic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► discount student discounts so you go there in like the second day you'd go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► and pick up your Mac from this student center where they had you know the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► that you bought through the University take it up in your dorm and the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► thing you connected it to was the power supply in law there were no there was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► Ethernet in the dorms yet you know and modems were incredibly expensive the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► cheapest modem was three or four hundred bucks so we all looked up our computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► and we add freshman year we end up making our own little network it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► this little number those things on if you remember these things phone net yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► where you plug it in the serial port of the Mac and then you can just use either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► copper wiring or just phone cable and there's just just copper wiring and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► get a little apple local local local local talk network and we did that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► could play games against each other but it wasn't a campus wide network it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► just the people in the dorm hallway who we ran copper wiring between that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► our network which is crazy if you think you know in hindsight I mean anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► who's younger than me even just by five years even somebody who went to college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► it's almost laughable that you would have a computer in your dorm room and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► not have it hooked up to any sort of network I mean it's almost like sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► that anybody who is that young is laughing right now they're probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► laughing out loud they are they think I'm exaggerating and I think there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► lot of people that still is Apple's route where you buy a beautiful Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► computing product and it's really thoughtful interface it's beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► it feels good in your hand and you go home and you use it by yourself right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► but that was then and what is now is that all the people start with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► experience of being connected and services just being there right leg in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► like how all those things connect with the actual hardware also defines how we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► feel about the hard way not just the user experience level the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► experience also means the Internet experience now and I think that should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► change in how the water tanks about these things I i just you know there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► like more card being put into this on the Apple on on this front as I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► they don't think about it that much so that I think they do but I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1796">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► though that it's high enough priority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► you know and some of the stuff they've done really is great and has worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► really well I mean I think that the the iCloud backups for iOS devices has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► an unheralded success I think the fact that you know that most people seem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► have it on you know it its opt-in everybody has to make a choice right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► when you turn on your new iPhone or iPad you've gotta go through this setup where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► you you know if you already have an iCloud account you can enter it and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► you don't they incurred you strongly but don't force you to create one and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► they asked if you want to back up to iCloud right and and from everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► I've heard from people who you know do tech support for people and daring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► fireball readers who worked like as geniuses in the stores and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► that it's been a huge huge success because now people come in with a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► dead iPhone and you know either buy a new one or get a replacement under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1855">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► warranty or whatever and they keep their iCloud password into the replacement one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► and while they're in the store on Apple's superfast wifi boom their stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► is back as opposed to before they'd be like backup power and they just look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► the guy on ebay did you ever played in your computer and they like I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► did when I the day I bought it and that is the last time they plugged it into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► their computer and so everything that had after that you know it's gone so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► think that's been a huge success for Apple but it's it's monolithic right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► it's restoring its this whole you know you can restore your home phone to a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► funds and that does work well but I feel like the incremental updates you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► this is just a little stuff throughout the day of having you know your records [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► in each app sync seamlessly between devices is you know it's it's a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► challenge for them I am I'm I'm a believer that they can get it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► of all the people out there they're the one company which will understand how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► human beings like to use the internet and connectivity and all those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► and bring it all together but they need to make it a top priority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► like I i dont a little tiny post last night in which Microsoft Robbie Bach and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► one of the other guys talking about Microsoft Kin in 2010 3 years later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► argues that pretty much the same language describing Facebook home and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► three years what Microsoft come get it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► Facebook guarded right because they are internet native company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► Microsoft had the right idea is just was a bad you expired UI and bad execution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► just at companies like their middle names should be bad execution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1976">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► technologies first and became too cute on it and I don't know why you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► were the first ones Rick tabloid just couldn't get it right they were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► first ones like a proper smartphone but like a programmable software with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► Windows te and they still can get it right so as a company they're bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► they're bad execution guys but the key Microsoft Kin mean a lot of sense they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► were talking about people saying drink they were talking about content and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► context they were talking about all these things three years ago but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► were not on native internet company said they didn't quite understand how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► Facebook yesterday when I saw it my issues with their privacy you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► know disregarding privacy a site that's actually a product bid for the connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► age right but not a lot of people use it or not remains to be seen but it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► you to the account that you're always on your always engaging with the smartphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► you're always connect it and I think that's too team King off that kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► thinking is there like and that's what happened needs and let's hold the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► privacy discussion for a moment but that one note I have renowned to speak to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► about is to me and what it was is is proof of something that I've suspected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► for a while which is the Facebook now realizes they've had a change of heart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► at some point the last few years where they realize that they're not a website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► their service I write the website is just one way to access the service and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► that they need to think that way and and you know and now mobile is a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► way to access the service yeah I totally agree with you not think about it this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► then essentially saying what has been Facebook since 2005 the whole news feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2095">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► idea it's ok to not have that idea let's break up everything into individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► components I mean that's the big implication of yesterday's news is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► they're ok you know dis aggregating the entire Facebook experience into a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► different screen and not just that one web canonical website interface yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► I think that is a very interesting way of looking at Facebook man's like gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► their attorneys agree with you 100% there is sort of his energy early and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► and and and and they're finally beginning to embrace that maybe they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► already always embraced it just now I don't think so I think they're old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► mindset was what's the best way to get our website to people including even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► their initial effort on mobile which i think was mostly you know just wrapping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► the website into a nap it was how do we get our website into a nap whereas now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2157">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► think they're thinking what's the best way what's the best interface to get our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► information our service to its users and you know if its native native code its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► native code you know then then do it then let's hire designers and developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► who are gonna kick ass at it because why that's the other thing to do to get your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► yeah I did was it as smooth as it looked in the videos in the demos actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► better I completely day exceeded my expectations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► let's get back to take it take a break here for sponsoring that school will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► pick up but I want to thank our first sponsor and its many tricks and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► just updated app name engler III have this app and it's one of those apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► where depending on what you do day-to-day you might go weeks might go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2216">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► months without using it but when you need it you really need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► and there's other people depending on what you do in like a production [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► environment but this is the type of that but you might need it every single day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► it's a Mac app and it's it's for multi file rename and in other words you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► a whole folder full of images maybe they came off her camera and you are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► named IMG underscore 5406 5407 5408 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► jpg or something like that and you need to rename them some other way you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► to have a man named based on the event you gotta put the date maybe your CMS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► requires the date to be in the filename something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► anything you can imagine that you could do programmatically to filings name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► engler can do for you but you don't need to program it has an interface that lets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► you as a non programmer just set these simple rules for hey when I drag this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► apply these rules to these files when you rename it and even better give you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► preview of what's going to happen before you actually change all these names so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► you have a list of here is what the names are now here's what the names will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► be for the same files after you apply these rules you take a look at it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► eyeball it make sure everything looks like it's gonna be alright then you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► actually make the changes you can save these things the ones that you use over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► and over again you know like a production type environment make little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► drag and drop things so that you can just automate it if you are an advanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► user you can use regular expressions to create advanced rules and patterns to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► replace text you can also use OS 10 metadata in your renaming actions for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► example you can have four images you can have the ISO speed were the focal length [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► of the creation date of photographs put into the filenames [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► according to a role where you want them have the file size put into the filename [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► the bitrate trend hitting three audiophiles anything like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► anything you can imagine it you can programmatically due to file names name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► anger can do i mean it's to say that it's the best file renaming utility for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► the Mac is an understatement it's like saying michael jordan's the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► basketball player was it's a fantastic I if you have any interest in him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► whatsoever you can't go wrong because you can try it today for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► go to their website many tricks in May and why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► PRI CKS dot com or you can jump right to the name engler site at many tricks dot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► com slash get named anger and check it out and my thanks to many tricks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► naming I just downloaded man spent 18 bucks on it it really is it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2390">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► it does exactly what it says on the 10th so anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► smooth animations movies that's one of the things that really blew me away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► it's one of the things I i dont even use Facebook and never signed up for it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► I I am fascinated by the company and and keep my eye on the one thing all of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► anybody who covers the industry has noticed over the last two years is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► they've hired an enormous amount of design town people have a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► who used to work at Apple might Matusz for example iOS developers the Kaiser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► did kaleidoscope so far and a couple of other great apps like really high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► quality at the type of apps that that win have one Apple Design Awards those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► type of developers and designers Facebook has been hiring as fast as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► can get them and I know firsthand from a bunch of my friend that they've reached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2453">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► out to more who turned them down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► yeah they're stockpiling the nuclear weapons of design warm and they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► bringing on anybody and everybody I I actually had a list and then I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► delicious got so big that I just forgot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► keeping track of these people and I think my take is that these guys are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► gonna stop at nothing to get get it right for all different kind of device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► experiences and all kinds of web experiences I i do agree with you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► they are splintering away from the idea of a unified field in becoming more of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► thinking of the information as being abstract from the interface for right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► and then here's this device here is a forest of ice what's the best interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2516">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► for this was nothing at all I get is on here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► 21 inch monitor where you're running a web browser right there so much a design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► thinking in the company mean that they are thinking about data and design and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► screen in a very contextual very thoughtful manner I think that's a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► record Facebook is doing and I think this is going to be an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► challenge for our friends at Apple like how do they think about all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► right like I don't think Dad has been part of their thinking I don't think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► know Internet has been part of the experience stinking so far you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► can still continue to just make hardware and makes software and should do what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/2565">TS</a>]
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00:56:39 ◼ ► great ever great chapter on the home field advantage and where it where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► comes from and how the home field advantage holds up across all sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► soccer football baseball team sports all around the world how all day every one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► of them has a very very consistent home field advantage it's a great book for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► sports fans who love stats is called score casting and they have it there on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► so the webcam thing I don't know what to make of this can we talk Yankees before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► we talk WebKit yeah we could talk Yankees definitely been a hard year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► managed three like going into it and i'm looking at this and who are these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► I don't even know that two hundred and twenty nine million dollars for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► oh my god I think you know I don't include post on my personal blog dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► basically be morning that this is going to be a tough year to be a Yankee fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► and it really test our faith like nothing has ever before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► day for it and I'm like oh my god oh my god is like my favorite expression as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► far as the Yankees are concerned that this court is actually 63 I just looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3476">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► at the seventh and Nunez just left to injury I don't know what is going on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► know what right before we got started the show right before we started I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► watched what I ate lunch and then it happened after that but I saw an update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► that he'd gotten hit by a pitch and was apparently really really riding around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► wow man this is gonna be some year is the first time I can remember since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► sometime maybe in the early nineties where the opening day lineup was filled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► with who the hell is that I have never heard of this guy Travis Hafner I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► I've heard of Vernon Wells but I really had to be paying attention even realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► the Yankees signed them they only had three guys on the opening day lineup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► from the year before whereas for the last fifteen sixteen years they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► they've really had you know a lot of continuity from season to season I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► know it's either going to be a brutal year to be real brutal I mean just just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► really horrible or some of these young guys in the new guys are gonna step up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► and it's going to be kind of awesome because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► might be reinvigorating to get some new blood under the lineup if if taken you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► know a first-place baseball you know let's hope so I'm keeping my fingers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► crossed let's see what happens but let's get back to 20 min kid and blank and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► sure about that I still think I i you know i said im still scarred from 1995 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► when the blank tag was hooked up in netscape so I don't know how much you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► that's an odd to that or or if it's something else I guess it's supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► be about how fast it is I mean that's there but they they say is there a mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► an end admittedly chrome is a very very fast browser may be the fastest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► major browsers you know I'm not sure if it's if it's also supposed to be like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► wink wink nudge nudge to the blank text you know I don't know what the name is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► bet you most of those kids don't even know the blink tank they may have not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► even remembered you know what that might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► said the politics of this whole situation is pretty interesting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► posed by Rob I sacked from a different approach based in using it was pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► fun to read actually he did a buncha to English translation on and FAQ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► unblinking which is pretty awesome to be yeah and he took a very this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► political we're trying to screw up all sort of stance to it I'm not sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► that's true and I'm not one I think my reputation of 12 sort of by the fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► you know to to be 12 to think that out there that Google is a bit more scheming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► and less open and less or more disingenuous than than people give them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3656">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► credit for but I'm not sure that's the case here I really don't I really don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► know what to make of this I looked a little bit of truth that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► politics involved and I think there is a truth that have killed has become a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► little bit you know big included I guess I mean if that's the right way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► so well or at least the the from from their perspective is the developers of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► WebKit it has gotten bloated right and I think that's the argument that I forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► his name but one of the chrome developers made was that it's just got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► all of these build targets for platforms that crime doesn't care about so why are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► they there stock making sure that all of their changes don't cause problems on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► all of these other platforms that uses WebKit that Chrome doesn't care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► because chrome only runs on Mac Windows iOS and Android right so why do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► care if it causes a problem on the Nokia phone or something like that or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3716">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► blackberry you know why are they developing fixing bugs that they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► care about right I totally see their standpoint on this I think you'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► I've also heard and I don't know if you've heard something similar that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► you know which town on webcam and whatnot so you know what I did hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► something like that and then again I don't what I heard some of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► something something about maybe a new web rendering engine from Apple I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► think when when I hear new web rendering engine I don't think brand-new although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► that is what what Mozilla and Samsung are currently working on I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► another you know it's it's starting with WebKit and doing something new with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► you know and I do think that's the one thing that people aren't clear about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► lot of people aren't clear about with blank is that blank is not like a brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► new web rendering engine from Google and they're walking away from WebKit blank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► is Google saying we're taking a fork of WebKit as it stands today and making our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► own new thing blank starting with it in the same way that WebKit didn't start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► from scratch it started with look we're going to take a HTML and make this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► called WebKit from it you know i think that that that translation from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► Isaac that you talk to he he he seemed to meet soon be under the impression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► that they're talking up a new brand new web engine in blank but that's not what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► get it could be in the future look there they have a lot invested in in in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► Chrome Chrome OS and the Chrome browsers made perfect sense for them to do what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► they need to do to make that investment pay off property well I mean look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3834">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► just teasing big companies with big businesses right I wouldn't put it past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► them to do it and and and and you know I would just say yes I as a user of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► band web services this is going to be a little bit painful and not right but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► guess you know what happens next is still to be seen right I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► it's going to be painful I i I don't think it's a different I think the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► that these browser wars go today is very different from those of the late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► nineties where it really was so hard then to have even moderately complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► web app that worked in all the major browsers and on Mac and Windows who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► really was almost like you had to rewrite it each time for each one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3896">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► detected one and then when somebody else came out with a new browser it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► work at all because it wasn't one of the browsers you actually sniffed for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► explicitly serve the custom code for I don't think that we're seeing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► anymore I feel like you know I feel like there's this baseline of html5 I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► like html5 standards thing has been so successful that that's a really it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► pretty consistent baseline that developers can head and even iE does a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► pretty good job with it nowadays I think it's more about what's coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► next the next stuff like it's not that the stuff that we already have like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► does the css3 roddy using render and what's the spacing and stuff like that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► think it's about stuff like for Google might be about like what they call it an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► native client which is just you know hasn't really taken off yet but I know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► lot of people who really keenly think that it might be a big new things coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3956">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► but it's his way to get native code code that runs as fast as native compiled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► code running in the browser but with all the security advantages of a browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► where it's all sandbox from your actual computer so you're getting you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► can have a game that runs through chrome with native performance not JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► performance not let's make JavaScript faster but actual native performance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► and you know looking up to the the graphics processor on the computer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► getting you know OpenGL and stuff like that but with the luck you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► install anything you just go to this URL and the native code loads just like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► go to a website so getting that big day into their web rendering engine at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► at the whatever later they see as the best fit is a huge win for Google I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► think as opposed to trying to get a ball to allow them to put it in the webcam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► which i think was gonna happen whether ads for politics or whether you know has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► good reasons for that you don't even have to do not have to agree what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► reason was it's just probably wasn't gonna happen as long as Apple was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► charge of WebKit maybe Apple wants to do their own version of tax rate that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► pretty likely to very well could be I definitely think so and you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► Apple that's one of those ways that Apple and Google are different is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► culturally at Google will talk about what it's doing first and then ship it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► you know did Google glass another example right been talking about it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► a while been showing it for a while having a preview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► you know how does stuff is they keep it secret secret secret secret ok now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► for sale next week and that's the same way it was with WebKit and call it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► multiprocessing model where the rendering engine is separate from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► browser application both for security and hopefully for performance but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4077">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► know so far in Safari think it's worked out that way for performance but prone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► has this multi-process rendering model where each tab you open get a separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► process called a webcam render that just renders that tab Safari has one separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► process that renders all of your tabs but it is still a separate process from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► the actual Safari browser application but it's two totally different ways of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► doing it and you know that's is one of the points of conflict between Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► and Apple in WebKit over the last few years somebody really needs to write an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► explainer for human beings like it really means for people I'm trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► figure out you know what this really means and lake and it's like really hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► to understand why I it's very hard for me to understand that I've been as close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► you know as I could be for all along I mean all the way from Mike 1995 but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► really really hard I think it's you know web rendering engines have become so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► sprawling in scope and so important to everybody in daily use that it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► almost hard to get your head wrapped around everything that they do know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► before we start talking about this stuff and I ask you one question you can ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► me anything what does Apple do next in your opinion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► overall or just with the web rendering engines know would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► I I think they just keep going as they've been going i think you know new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► iPhone 5 pounds and who knows what else but I don't know that they need to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► much else I think that you know hardware wise their their their machine has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► working in a machine meaning that the whole operation has been working just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► terrific I think year after year coming out significant improvement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► you know I think it's like we said half an hour ago I think it's the cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► services is the big can they do it do you think they need to change a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► bit how they work as a company I mean you know the the the the privacy they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► worked with in the past may have worked in the era of Steve Jobs venues to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► storyteller of the company RD the need to change their tactics you know I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► thinking about this earlier in the show and say it but I do think that one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► the areas where maybe they really might need to change is with the cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► services I think that they need to iterate faster I think that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► schedule of you will tell you what we've been up to at WWDC and then you'll hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► from us again in 12 months it doesn't it works for hardware is frustrating as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4256">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► some people are that they don't talk about her they don't release a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► every three months or that they don't talk about new phone six months in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► advance you know because people just are dying to know that it does work for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► to keep the hardware secret until they're ready it sort of works for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► with the system software because they can unveil it at something like WWDC is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► a beta to get developers on board to three months in advance but they get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► unveil it a show and get a lot of publicity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► but I think with the cloud stuff like you said Facebook is saying that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► going to be updating Facebook com on a monthly schedule right I feel like with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:42 ◼ ► iCloud stuff waiting a year between updates to iCloud it's just doesn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► and it doesn't work for developers and it doesn't work for users right I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► like and this Court data syncing thing is is the epitome of this problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4315">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► because it's not just that they haven't fixed it it's that developers don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► know if they're going to fix it right does Apple actually even have his Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► taking this as seriously as the developers who are depending upon it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► hope that they are nobody knows right so if you're this developer if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► developing an app for the iOS or something like that in your apt depends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► on core data and you're you're hoping the user you're trying to tease you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► actually got it in the store and supposed to be using Core Data Sync [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► complete your users are running into these bugs that are like wiping out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► their whole library on the iPhone and then you know hopefully when it syncs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► whatever is an iCloud version is what they had before and if not they've lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► data and you don't know is Apple taking this seriously and you should wait wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► for WWDC because there's good news coming but if you don't know if you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► you you asking you get nothing back what is that what should you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► should you wait anyway or should you decide I'm gonna bite the bullet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► rewrite the whole thing from scratch in use something else and I feel like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► uncertainty is worse it's like they're the worst situation that the developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► could be in terms of where Apple should go I feel like with the iCloud stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► that developers are relying on I really feel like open maybe isn't the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► word but they just need to iterate more quickly in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► updates and in terms of conveying to developers where this is going right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► think that would be a good change if they made I would be in favor of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► something like that would be fun to see them kind of adopted this new world in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► here's another way to put it there's an old adage especially from the open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► source world to ship early and often and apples never been a ship early and often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► company Apple has been a work on it and keep it and do the do the often part do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4436">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► the inter a part but do it all internally and wait till it's ready and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► then ship I feel like with iCloud they did ship early right they they unveiled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► iCloud as early as they possibly could and some of the stuff like I said the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► key value storage stuff works great I think the backup stuff has worked great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► and I think it was worth the core data stuff obviously hasn't they did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► early part but they haven't done the often part and I feel like they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► you suffer if you do the early without the often see how they change and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► damn so what do you think Apple is going to do what do you think the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► year for Apple's show I I'm not a big believer in the iraqis thousand number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► one I don't think they should be even bothering with stuff like that I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► believe that they will do something you will vary they will make available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► computer whether it's for health reasons are it's a sensor device which uses your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► iPhone to do interesting things that would be my number one prediction that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► tied to something they will release not the iraqis and the number two I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► they they will do and they are probably thinking about is like how do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► create a more experienced inside of violence like how to make all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► applications in a talk to each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► and and make the interest rates more useful and more contextual sorry I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► how they started off with the notifications and become with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► notification type functionality becoming more center stage that is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► there I I hope they're working on they should be working on and thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► I think that would be my prediction for next 12 to 18 months that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4558">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► direction those two things I would love for WWDC I would love for the major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► announcements to be significant improvements to iCloud and maybe even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► secondarily and in her application communication writer in her application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► communication and I really do hope that that's what they're been working on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► I really do hope that the things we saw last year with the little tweet sheets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► in the Facebook status update sheets are examples of what they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► are working on a way to open up to third party developers write that they made to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► these two ones that they're gonna bake into the system but that hopefully I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► would love it and I S seven if something like that could anybody could have it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► like Marco Arment could have a send it into the paper sheet that any app if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4616">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► have Instapaper installed when you hit the share button to send Instapaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► thing automatically shows up and then the URL that the app has wear whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► happened to Twitter client or email app or anything you hit this share their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► send Instapaper and Marco designed sheet drops down you don't switch to the apt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► this she drops down right in the app and lets you you know set which folder it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► going to incite a title for something like that and send it and I i that sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► of integration I think it's almost limitless what what did that things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► could be and it's you know definitely an area where there behind both Android and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► goes from seven which have things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► yeah and you know last point of our enemy John I think people who write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► about and I think their job has become much tougher in the post Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► Marty kaan competition landscape because not everything Apple is going to do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► going to be great and I think you deserve a good for us to do think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► diet and meet them constantly think about what they're doing wrong I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► it's like a hard thing to do but like I think the blogging community doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► talk much about the things they not doing well and often so I wish they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► would you know I think it's something which you know I think about a lot like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► i think is important to kind of remind them that they need to be thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► the internet they need to be thinking about you know dan I they need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► thinking about how to build you know these new connected experiences and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► I wish you know it would be good to have a more deeper dialogue with the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4734">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► as well you know I think that's something we should talk about more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► yeah that's my wishlist right leg I mean I'm not place not like I think about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► world in that sort of way so i guess im thinking in in in in in with those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► parameters right now about everything it's you know it's funny because we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► this past week had the three year anniversary of when the original iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► shipped and you know it just seems like crazy that it was only three years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► because it I can't I really can't even imagine what it was like going on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► airplane and not seeing everybody holding an iPad 1 shape or another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► and the people who are don't have an iPad have you know some kind of iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► knockoff it seems crazy but on the other hand here we are three years in and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► still is so hard to send something from one app to another other than just copy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► and paste witches you know it doesn't work for some things I feel like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► an under appreciation for the amount of work people actually want to do I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► saying from Apple's perspective the work that people want to do but that requires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► more integration between different applications you know that work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► computers is no longer you know they came right from day one they had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► numbers spreadsheet right but how many people really spend a man knows some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:27 ◼ ► people do but most people I know don't really sit down and spent hours working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4827">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► on spreadsheets anymore that's like twenty years ago people don't just open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► your iPad work on a spreadsheet it's this sort of back and forth interplay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► between applications and data that keeps coming in over the internet right now it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► is a lot of things going on right now I think even as even as I said today and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► think about you know what does the weather look like man going forward like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► it's so hard to even project today like you know five years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► 2007 when the iPhone came he was fairly easy to see actually draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► linear content conclusion as to where the mobile world was gonna go right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► this is where everybody was gonna copy that design and that user experience and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► and now suddenly it's not as clear like the whole world either seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► moving forward at a much more rapid speed art at the end at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► it's stuck in the same place so just like a really hard time to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► what's going on in technology I agree and it's you know that the three year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► the iPad makes for a nice halfway point for the distance from the iPhone right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► so the iPad came three years after the iPhone so when the iPad shipped three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► years ago the iPhone was isn't still is new then as the iPad is today that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► six years ago was the iPhone three years and we had the iPad now for another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► three years later and the iPhone is certainly and and certainly iphone-like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► phones are there just that's just the baseline we just we just assume that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► right I do feel like a very interesting juncture as to where we go next to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► talking about it and writing about it and it'll be fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► who knows maybe I'll be out soon to see you in New new iDevice possibly 48 while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► I will look forward to seeing you save me a seat in the room next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwyY-BU/4959">TS</a>]
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