00:00:00 ◼ ► I mean honestly passing out drunk watching charlie nodded then get handed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/0">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► to get into terrible what they hear these you know what I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► made you think of that era that episode but it's funny because I mean I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/17">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► that's probably true that you can we get to jump in any episode from any season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/20">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► but that one in particular was I think that's one of my favorite it really hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/24">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► you know what it's because we were talking about we're going to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/32">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► this disaster people leaving and maybe they will tie them tight only get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/38">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► was supposed to do this at the beginning and I don't let this run but I did this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/44">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► is pretend this is the beginning I just wanted to say I wanted to tell everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/49">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► how today's show is sponsored by audible.com a leading provider of spoken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/52">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► audio information and entertainment listen to audiobooks whenever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/59">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► wherever you want and I'll tell you more about them a little bit you sick I'm so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/63">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► sick of this watch stuff yeah yeah god this watch stuff to me is it's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/68">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► like 10 10 different thread about Apple that sort of following in almost all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/74">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► them for me but they aggravate me and watch things like epitomizes it I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/80">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► the same way I don't think I would ever wear one I just think it's gotta be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/86">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► wrong I like I don't know people that some people right to me and I go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/91">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► Twitter late Wednesday I get the thing that says like I take your silence on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/95">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► this watch thing as confirmation that there that it's a big deal in a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/99">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► you know like somehow he's so cute in that I know all about it but i cant say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/103">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► no and now it's a reason and mostly almost completely silent on it is I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/107">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► really don't care yeah kinda the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/111">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► watches to me basically jewellery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/115">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► I got like watches have been good wages and I don't think of it as a used to i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/118">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► mean we don't know what it does but I don't need to give most generous would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/124">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► have got you know in my pocket and somebody had a thing yesterday that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/127">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► was one of the things about it that I actually agree with which is what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/131">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► this so-called watch that they're supposedly working on is just the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/134">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► iPod Nano right what if it's you know the iPod Nano is comes with the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/139">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► you can strap it to rest I don't mean that could be it it's like that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/145">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► thing that gets me is they are not that I'm saying that Apple couldn't or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/149">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► shouldn't work on a I think that you'd see some kind of device that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/152">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► strapped here risk but just that why are people making it a league it's a major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/159">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► like it might make perfect sense that Apple would make a thing that gets into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/163">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► this Fitbit you know the Nike FuelBand type monitor your steps fitness type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/167">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► stuff and maybe play music or something like that too I don't know but it why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/175">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► would anybody think it's a bigger deal than a new iPod if you know presumably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/179">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► if they make it it's going to be something that sells for like a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/183">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► $200 it's not going to be $1,000 $1,000 watches it would probably see you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/185">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► even if it's successful selling a range of like the new you know in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/194">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► quantity of like the new iPod Nano you know a nice little business but not this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/197">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► is not going to revolutionize the company has good way of looking at it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/202">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► that you know it's maybe it's the first iPod a proper iPad with iOS on it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/206">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► interesting so I have never heard of any idea number one i stone italian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/214">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► convinced they're actually doing it and number two even if they do I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/219">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► of all the things that Apple's ever done and that they'd get they release and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/223">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► then immediately the tech press crowd goes that's it that's all right I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/227">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► think of anything that is more obviously going to get that sort of response but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/234">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► think everybody wants a plan to introduce some new revolutionary product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/239">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► whether to the TV you at the white you something but I don't think anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/244">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► it actually could be and it's not have a cell video on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/248">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► gonna do the decorating stuff at best it'll be like an accessory for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/252">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► that exciting yeah and and I still can't get past the whole idea if it's really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/259">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► watch and that's what everybody seems to be talking about and and and then one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/265">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► the things that gets me so frustrated is that people it seems like nobody had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/268">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► been has any reading comprehension yesterday were recording this on Tuesday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/271">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► March I don't know when it's gonna but on Monday the 4th of March Bloomberg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/275">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► published its story about the second story about the watch that actually had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/281">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► literally had no new information in it whatsoever except that they sort of made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/287">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► it seem like it did but they were really only citing the same source from a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/292">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► ago that they've they published a thing a month ago that Apple might be working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/298">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► on some kind of watch type thing and the story yesterday was had no new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/302">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► information all it really had that was new was comments from analysts about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/306">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► what it could mean that it could be a six billion dollar business a year for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/311">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► everybody everybody jumped on it like it like there are reiterating like they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/317">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► got more sources confirming that Apple is making lunch which if you read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/320">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► article carefully they did not they said a month at that as sources said a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/323">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► get you some weird feedback that think I held the estimate estimate the size of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/328">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► an industry when you don't even know what the devices that I think the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/332">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► that they did it was that they they they talked about that watches Oris sixty 60 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/340">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► billion dollars a year spent worldwide on watches and if Apple can take ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/346">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► percent of the market they have six billion that's too so you know it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/350">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► about the way you define the word like marketers denying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/356">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► market is so ambiguous defined market to be anything I guarantee you see sixty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/359">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► billion dollars worth of watches sold like media's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/365">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► yeah and that's exactly it is that watches are actually almost a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/369">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► fascinating industry to look at as a whole because they literally go from one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/373">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► end of the economic scale to the other where you can I as far as I know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/380">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► pretty sure you could buy a working quartz wrist watch for about $5 right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/386">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► bet it would cost more to ship it from Amazon then the watch itself cause I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/393">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► gonna go look this up right now and see what I can get a $5 watch at Amazon and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/397">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► Rolex Omega have healthy hundred-year old hundred maybe even more than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/401">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► hundred year old businesses selling watches that start at four five thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/407">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► dollars and go up from there because you know you can get on with diamonds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/413">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► made of platinum is right you can easily spend twenty five to thirty thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/416">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► dollars which was super well-crafted and build determined not to mention their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/422">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► sort of fashion accessories is that Casio mens analog watch its $9.99 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/431">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► actually pretty nice but anyway you know literally from $5 up to $50,000 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/437">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► sadly that is not a market like you can't just take him tonight because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/446">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► doesn't make any sense right and I can't help but think that a huge chunk of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/450">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► sixty billion is is actually spent on those high-end watches Rolex enemy get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/454">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► must have a pretty good as it watches it is include like locks not so too at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/460">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► time pieces I I honestly don't know but it does seem like a stupid way to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/467">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► up with a number and make it seem like six billion you know that many of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/471">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► watching episode two military leather mask purchases you know it's just insane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/476">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► like it market the market isn't that is not a market so there's no way that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/481">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► can figure 6 billion 52 by sied don't even know what it does right like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/485">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► know Apple is going to make Apple is working on a new very small piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/489">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► consumer electronics like that's not news that what do you think Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/493">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► done every single day for the last thirty years is work on new little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/497">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► computer type things by some definition of little I know I do believe they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/503">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► got something pretty far along cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/507">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► you know a lot of people seem to be hearing a lot of rumors I just had no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/509">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► idea what are they as ever and it doesn't really interest me wearable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/514">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► computing in general doesn't interest me well I guess what I want to emphasize is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/517">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► not on board by the idea of a nap watch but I'm bored by just the just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/521">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► sentence Apple is working on a watch if there were some details about it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/525">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► if there was something specific that we knew about it was that would get me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/529">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► interested but we don't nobody has any information at all except stupid patent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/533">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► filings which never well not never but you know you success rated predicting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/537">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► writer from doing what happens gonna do from patent filings its just incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/545">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► exactly zero because it's a patent everything they do exactly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/549">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► everybody else in the tech industry does is not patent everything they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/553">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► to do but patent everything they think of that patentable is not whether it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/556">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► gonna do it is whether you can get up if you can get a patent for you file it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/561">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► just in case cover your ass just like your finger on the trigger of a machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/564">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► gun use his key point everything those patents all over the law that's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/569">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► accurate way to think about patents in general just put it so unlike a typical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/577">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► episode of the show which is entering and pointless but I actually did I i I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/583">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► got you I English as IT guy welcome to the talks I guess I should do that to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/592">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► it sponsors tell people that if everybody sometimes people say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/598">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► should tell me who the hell is on the show as I get a lot of people start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/601">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► listening without reading the the tax that says special guests guy English [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/605">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► joins John Gruber to talk about whatever they don't read that they just hit play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/611">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► in there they don't know who's on the show but we actually asked you to be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/615">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► the show because I have a very specific theme but i wanna talk about this hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/620">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► and we've said actually this watch things sort of touches on it yet but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/624">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► the stuff I wrote last week about this stupid articles this Apple AAPL is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/629">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► doomed scenario type stuff that we try to capture I think you'll agree but more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/633">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► last that on the one hand we've got all these people saying that Apple is doomed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/641">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► or they're in trouble or they're they're heading for a fall there tanking and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/646">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► was all obvious it was you know it was inevitable because the way Apple works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/651">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► is just it's not sustainable and it all depended on maybe some people you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/657">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► some people argue all dependent on Steve Jobs or apples to closed in error or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/663">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► another 12 is that if if you're only succeeding because of design your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/668">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► inevitably people are going to copy those designs which are successful in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/674">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► the copies will be cheaper and then you lose that sort of argument and that ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/677">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► that's why Apple stock is going down and that's why I don't know they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/682">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► out of business or something and that's nonsense and it's no real evidence for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/686">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► that Apple's actually got a really strong business and so it's easy to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/690">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► that these arguments are nonsense if you really look at them critically but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/695">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► think the worst thing that any of us who really care about the company as users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/700">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► or just as people who appreciate the work that Apple has accomplished over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/705">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► the last few decades the worst thing we could do is look at these nonsense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/709">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► arguments that Apple is in trouble and then control ourselves and think Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/715">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► doesn't face any actual serious problems and they do and that's what I would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/719">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► to talk about the actual what actually facing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/726">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► cutest things two major big piece previously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/734">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► probably having on my content management you know it's like they have to juggle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/741">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► all your subscriptions items itself was an issue and if there's one as a talent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/747">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► retention I think this be the first to consider collapse into one thing which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/752">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► is basically the technical the technical debt today sort of have to labor under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/757">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► the oldest operating system now and then build a lot on top of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/762">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► infrastructure with iTunes now that and I think that they're gonna start running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/771">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► up against you know certain limits where there's sort of but their temples as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/779">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► built it ever since I believe that peace I was six came out which makes you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/785">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► to stream TV from the cloud directly to be at least 18 11 which is it's the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/793">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► core but a different city you on it and it's quite a bit better I think and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/801">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► do you do i do and i was wondering what you think about that now that it's sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/805">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► of settled in and it's not new anymore I do think that iTunes 11 is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/810">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► interface wise I don't know though that it goes far enough in terms of reducing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/815">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► the work you have to do through it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/820">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► yeah I don't think either and the reason for that is effectively the UI update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/823">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► she talked about quite a lot and I was a pretty good but you know the fact of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/829">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► matter is that still the same code behind it look if you have a dialogue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/835">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► with you note the presence of the whole app is blocked just got a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/839">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► modal dialog all over the place because it's a really old treat 80 west and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/844">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► I do think I think it's the last app from Apple that has a modal Preferences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/850">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► dialog and I'm pretty sure it's the only app I use that as a model Preferences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/857">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► dialog anybody doesn't know what that means in other words I think you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/861">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► said but when you put the Preferences open items you can't use the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/864">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► windows in the apt to you close that window right and that's the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/870">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► preferences Windows on the Mac always used to be everything was a modal dialog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/874">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► and then slowly but surely programmers updated their app store or all the LDAP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/878">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► sort of faded away and replaced with new apps and the new way of doing it is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/883">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► mode loosely so that you can just leave the Preferences window open and switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/888">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► windows and I never heard a good explanation for why iTunes has modal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/892">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► dialog box for that other than that they started within never got around to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/898">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► well the thing is it's actually hard to do a modal dialog box he states that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/904">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► have to have to go anywhere to block the whole thing about those boxes too is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/907">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► that we have apples kept running and you've got a iTunes model boxes of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/911">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► Apple script so if iTunes has one of those those dialogues in like check for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/918">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► you download something displayed remaining an app that wants to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/925">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► something to the iTunes library via AppleScript it won't just fail it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/930">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► too chaotic mess I think the reason they keep it is because if he basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/937">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► change the preferences and all that kind of stuff to be asynchronous with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/942">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► rest of the UI and has a lot of work and it probably will expose a lot of bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/946">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► and weird little places don't want to shake out for the sake of something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/950">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► think you know people like us noticed but I don't think that the general items [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/955">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► user really cares about a match right but you know you can just think of some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/959">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► comments it's easy to think of some scenarios where it would be a lot easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/964">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► to keep it modal we're like let's say with the new device preferences right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/967">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► you can delete your backup for like an iPhone you no longer have in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/973">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► Preferences window but if they did it without if they did it mode loosely you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/976">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► could open the Preferences window go to a device then switch to the other window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/982">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► plug that device in and started back up then go back to the Preferences window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/987">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► and delete phones back up you know it's I don't know just to cover every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/990">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► one of those education i mean keeping a modal kiss keep it simple for them but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/997">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► the bottom line is that there's like still like a thousand things yet you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► in iTunes and if you really wanted to understand everything iTunes did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► really would require like a book-length amount of knowledge and check it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► probably books covering exactly it's it's way too early at like that should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1016">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► be passed out and put into the operating system at least you know I think sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► mental your favorite yeah I like the first one that was the first medal at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► seven actually it was it would look better content section right but that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► think the ship it out for managing devices kinda makes more sense to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► sticking out in 1996 for the trust by from staff but still it's hard but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► certainly you know I think I did eventually gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► really starting a lot more than it did it depends right now and they're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► selling a lot of music and then you know sometimes people people see the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► and sometimes when you know that it's the future it's frustrating that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► not here yet and I get email sometimes from readers who are more or less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► expressing a sentiment along the lines of luck I've been using Spotify or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► what's another one like Spotify Rdio yeah audio or and you know one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► streaming services in there like you know how can happen not have something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► like this already they're doomed you know that way of managing their music is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► so outdated blah blah blah but the truth is it's it's a lot simpler to do it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► other way where you don't have to worry about where the audio is your dues no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► file management you just have the ability to place these songs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► wherever you are you can just play them and you know they cashing in etcetera is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► all taken care of behind the scenes and it does seem a lot more Apple like to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► it that way right that's the way that like Apple you know the whole way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► Apple iOS approaches and apps data is ok you not to worry about anymore it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► in the app and there's no there's certain downside to it but on the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► it's been a huge win and I think it's you know it why people just regular you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► know Joe and Jane user out there love their iPads because they don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► worry about where the heck their stuff is it's just in the app but yet Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► new one is not doing that with music with the kind of car you can mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► cloud stuff kind of works pretty well that's weird stuff so I TV on my iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► and you can stream you can like hit a button on the bottom of the list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► episodes in TV shows it is I get more episodes of season or something and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► all have a little cloud icon next to the episode for you to download and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► hit that in moscow down on you can start playing it right away but if there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► enough space on the device it'll complain to you and then you have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► and delete like a previous episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► just it's a lot of weird juggling dad they're still overall they're definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► moving in that direction but are they getting there fast enough I guess is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► question and I don't know if they are I think that this that that there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► danger for Apple that they can be out simplified in terms of what you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► worry about in terms of this stuff you know and I feel like you know at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► in India in the USA Amazon is probably the most likely to to beat them on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► yeah I agree in Canada how good as Amazon and candidate for the offer and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► even bother looking damage I mean you can buy a lot of stuff and I'll send it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► to you but in terms of digital content not create Apple in the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► world is like we're had done what about Netflix you can sit you could do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► same Netflix can we don't we don't wish I did sort of anemic but not bad for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► while we were having madmen on Interstate think before you guys head it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► we do have has occurred to knowledge they didn't intentionally shoot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► themselves in the foot they own the rights to that right you know because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► they aren't sure of the date they want you guys to have everything it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► they've negotiated from the studio yet and that's another reason why I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► Apple is kind of a little bit behind the eight ball is the ones to make it easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► so difficult to get everything but it's gonna be a little bit heard it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► that could be harder for them to negotiate with the studios now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► their established so the second thing that was on your europeans or like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► said like that really the first to you can't just brush undertows content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► management and rights but the second one was talent retention and I i've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► pointed out a couple weeks ago I think on Twitter that if anything you probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► yeah I disagreed it is by saying I can't keep it will last but right now we last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► is best right I'll I think I could've been a piece by itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► but I think I think it's the end you're the first person to say addicts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► explicitly but I continue to think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► now a year later that it this truly is the single biggest problem that faces an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► almost nobody is talking about it no impetus from a piece was like a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► people just sort of pick on people saying dumb stuff about Apple but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► there's not a lot of sort of trying apart exactly what's going on behind the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► scenes like what's going south or at least difficulties they're having and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► think that's the key difficulty is keeping people that the team that made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► first iPhone you know and I was 2005 2006 instead of working on that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► 15 area for quite a while and there's sort of already done there's major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► life's work on that no matter how impressive Iowa seven is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► it's not going to be the first iPhone so I think people going to start looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1376">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► for other opportunities at the tanks to do other interests that they have but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► do think I think the heart of it though is this sort of inverse of the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► the conventional wisdom which is that without this one guy Steve Jobs or say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► to a guy Steve Jobs and Scott Forstall that innovation can come from Apple cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► they had all the good ideas I think the opposite I think if there's a if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► going to be a problem coming up with new things I think it's more likely draining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► of really bright engineering and design talent at the rank and file I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► totally I don't well maybe not the exact wording I don't think the problem will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► be coming up with new things I think problem will be executing them right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► guess that's a bet is a good way that is absolutely a better way to put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► the ideas will be there but will the execution yeah I can see them catching a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► thinking that will happen is it easy to say to come up it really easy to come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1435">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► where the design involves something like this list scrolls like butter right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► say that that's part of the design but you need someone to actually make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► grow like butter right I mean sure that the design spec for Android didn't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► scrolling is gonna be real janky wasn't part of this fact that's just how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► ended up turning out and you know that's cool guy went away in ages so it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► behind that Deacon tweeted that gravity and a deceleration in our country and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► they really work on it but that's part of what fuels this for us is that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► know mean you personally know people who've left right and so it's not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► we're not talking about it in the abstract we know some really good people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► who've left over the last year or two just to be clear we also know a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► good people that still had happen to good people and I also know people just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► came up a bit ago like somebody had pointed out on Twitter that boy a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► people seem to be leaving Apple month ago that I just just by coincidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► three or four people somebody knew I think it was dan Frommer death had left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► you know I'm not as secret but I never mentioned but somebody we know left and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► then I guess he just said he is it just me or are people leaving out and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► you know 34 people but if you only know certain number of people you know your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► brain sees it as a pattern and so a couple people did write to me after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► and after I chipped in on Twitter on it a few friends from Apple said you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► that is true but keep in mind too that an awful lot comeback including somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► we know who did who has come back and and one of the things out by has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► standard policy where if you come back within two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► seniority really it's as the ads is though I guess you don't get credit for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► the two years you're gone forever but if you were there for ten years and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► leave work some ass complete least you know you don't work it out or not they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► don't do what is right there are no sabbaticals any more doubtful that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► civilian Leighton policy I think that is one of the smartest HMO's I can't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► right because that was one of the things Steve Jobs changed in ninety-seven when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► he came back as the Apple used to have us about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► policy and he got rid of it for the obvious reasons which was that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► practice when people take sabbaticals you know what they did at the end of her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► sabbatical they quit serving a quick wit so in other words what they have is sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► of implicit sabbatical where you can quit and up to two years you can come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► back and it's as though you never left which is I think enlightened and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► apparently and i not even apparently I actually know first hand it definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► is fairly common and I'll bet to that maybe even a two-year window is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► negotiable me when you're getting everybody knows that at least you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► learn eventually that when you're getting hired everything's negotiable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► so if you were gone for three years could you you know say look out do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► but I want my seniority back right and if you're good enough I mean I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► you know why not do it for two why not get to dissipate you did Randy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► should I could go if you like five years come back and yeah exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► right that's pretty interesting so maybe it's only like you know you the proper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► the pebble falling in the water when people quit be down here so much money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► come back to me but I absolutely think it and again I don't think the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► is to reiterate so nobody misinterpret what we're saying the problem isn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► Apple is leading talent the problem is though that they could and it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► it would be devastating to the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► exactly now and then and I hope these people will not go work on Android work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► testing stuff will be like you know exactly know I think that's a perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► example you know and would like like we did you know one thing we do know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► know bertrand left I guess we should mention bertrand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► as an executive right but everybody knows that he's working on some secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► thing and nobody knows what the secret thing is really I mean there's a vague [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► notions about something with the cloud right because they have a website but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► think that's more likely is that people will leave and go do their own startup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► type thing which I actually think will be pretty cool I think I'll be really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► cool ideas coming out of that sort of bad apples X [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► X's another good example of that is is the speaking bertrand is investor but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► last week's the sponsor of last week's episode ever picks and I'm not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► because they sponsored to show in a sponsor my website but I hadn't heard of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► them before it's one of those things where their new and high pressure would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► have heard of them anyway but it's really kind of amazing technology I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► it's you know you have to do you know if you haven't checked out every picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► I've to take my word for it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► know that they are sponsors but not checked it out after hearing you talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► about it and it and it works it does something that to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► iOS and Mac OS 10 should do it has this sort of you don't have to worry about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► but you can get all of your fight you can get all of your pictures from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► anywhere at any time and they're not all synced at the you know you don't sink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► just there and you download them and yet there is you know it's not perfect it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► like you're getting jpegs instead of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► you know so if you want to keep the rise you've got it still manage that with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► know Lightroom or Aperture and iPhoto on your computer but they're so that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► the problem they're not trying to solve that problem do you want to look at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► of your pictures from anywhere and find the ones you know that time we went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► alaska 2005 right how do you find those pictures you know and they've solved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► brilliantly I think in a way that nobody else has those guys are all act X [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► Appleton as much as the Bertrand investor if you look you can go to ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1854">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► picks website and look at like about us and what the founders did and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► like some iOS guys guys who you know I think like effectively the sum of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► hypothetical guys who built the original file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► you know at least worked on some parts after this piece when they did get some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► feedback from people inside Apple's you know pointing me to LinkedIn profiles of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► various people that left so I think it is you don't something to do it where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► one thing that you just turned jog my memory the Big Apple explosions which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► part was speaking there's a bunch of companies exerting came out of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► handspring came out of palm and then they got like reverse you know it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► sort of like they were sort of like a mini apple where handspring was sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► like next a little it's you know the analogy breaks down cuz they r actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► building devices based on their own but they ended up getting acquired by palm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► and the spring team took over the same way that Apple's you know everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► describes the next acquisition as a reverse act so mean there's been times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► where people have left Apple before and a lot of cool little interesting ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► have been beneficial to the industry right now but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► every pic send this article thing that impressions working on both of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► address where they think is der a mutual Powell cancer cures a major point but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► Apple which hadn't actually put in his piece is that they're really bad at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► doing server side stuff yeah services and that is increasingly going to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► future I know what they're gonna do in order to achieve sort of parity with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► Google and then well let's hold that thought cuz it's a bigger place to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► back up but we do this first sponsor radiantly about audible.com so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/1983">TS</a>]
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00:33:43 ◼ ► service including a free audiobook the get to keep they have over a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► thousand titles virtually every John any if it's an if it is an audio book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► they've got it right that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► moralistic of audible they've got it all one of the things they want when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► sponsor the shows they want to book pick on me to tell you what to listen to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► I've got a great pic for you to book I just finished and it's really really I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► its devil-may-care by Sebastian Faulks and writing credit is actually by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► Sebastian Faulks writing as Ian Fleming which is interest in the gist of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► that the book takes place it's a new book it's was in 2008 but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► relatively recent it's a James Bond novel but that it takes place in 1967 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► effectively roughly one year after the last novel James Bond novel that ian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► fleming and if anybody is if you've read the Ian Fleming novels you know that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► know the guy had a real style this guy Sebastian Faulks like it it's a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► Ian Fleming novels and Ian Fleming ever wrote but it really reads like any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► informing novel that's almost uncanny and I've read a few of the other James [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► Bond novels that aren't written by in some of them are ok and some of them are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► but they don't sound like they there the other ones are to me always read like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► the movies not the books where is the books are very different than the movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► this one devil may care is it's uncanny how much it's as though it feels as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► though in Fleming wrote it so like this writing credits Sebastian Faulks writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► is informing its perfect it's it's really almost uncanny almost recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► the book just for the uncanny Ennis of the authorial impersonation but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► story itself is good too if you like James Bond novels you gonna love WI care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► so that's that's my pick is your your audible to making idea and he's also I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► ran it as soon as I finished google about it and he gets there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2155">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► Fleming estate wanted him to do as many as you would but he said late one in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► town because it is a real novelist is to get caught up in yeah I mean one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► it's a fun experiment to sort of make another artist get stale and apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► the reason they picked him is that he he had a collection where he did parodies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► of a bunch of writers and one of the writers he parodied was was informing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► and he did a whole bunch of them apparently he's just like gotta go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► natural aptitude for that for writing in the style of others and the Fleming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► state was so so enjoyed his parody of informing a daily thing about doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► that actually just seems like a really good writing exercise and it kind of is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► just copy your favor keeping you know keep you on your toes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► years ago D now and the guy who wrote textisms dot com and hopefully someday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► be restarted but one of my all-time favorite blogs this is way back I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► like 2000 I don't know 2002 2003 or something like that but he'd had texted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► him going for a year or two and he did like a contest where he did they invited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► to readers of this site today to parody him and his style of text isn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► sending a paragraph and to see how to sort of very very fussy style and got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► the parodies but he was a self-aware enough to do know is absolutely he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► very very very very down-to-earth guy he he he was perfectly well aware of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► know I mean the fact that he was willing to do it just shows how it almost kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► funny we should get back to text in a bit but I think he might link to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► there was somebody wrote to Ian Fleming suggesting that gun for James Bond in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► letters of note any votes back and he's still keeping it is not like thanks okie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► go keep that in mind when I read my next book he writes it from the perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► that he is bonds biographer right he will suggested to Mr Banda next time he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► he keeps it in the character fascinating and really enjoyed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► yeah he describes himself as a James Bond by the Ian Fleming yeah and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► actually ended up naming the character who gives bond the new handgun after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► night I wrote the letter major boothroyd the guy who wrote the letter was named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► booth right did a good memory for names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► eventually you know it'll cost me because it really the only thing I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► remember stuff about James Bond I don't even remember your name Thomas Thomas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2335">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► English I did a talk in 2010 at Macworld and it was supposed to be the grouper 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► I was that I didn't make the name they gave me the name but it was my top ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► issues facing out Paul and I haven't haven't looked at it in a while until I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► was preparing for the show opened it up and I think I did a pretty good job but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► and I think I ordered them interestingly we're like the first half aren't I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► there I was right to see them as issues but I don't i think that they proved not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► to be a problem for Apple and in the second half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► i think is stuff that has it still up in the air so here is my list in this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► was the order was number one was Steve Jobs at the time he was still alive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► I said you know more or less it's you know just face it it's an issue that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► know maybe you know guys had health issues maybe he's not gonna be around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► will they do OK without obviously that has since come to pass and is dead but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► think I was right to that it the company didn't depend on it i mean you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► depend on him but he wasn't a central the company has done fine in a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► since he stepped out i mean even as weird as a stock prices now it's so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► hired them when used to write the app stores and you know and but the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► thing too is that if and when he did leave wasn't unlikely to collapse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► immediately and the long-term effects well who knows and we still don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► right that's still up in here like it still could well be that ten years from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► now we'll look back and say wow really faded after Steve Jobs died we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► know that number to my slide title was AT&T but I guess what I really meant was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► carriers that so much of Apple success at the time was dependent on the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► and they had to go through the carriers I think they've done that very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2454">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► I think so least one in January when I gave the talk I think when did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► Verizon iPhone coming out there was a twentieth Century City you know what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► mean it seems like to continue rising but I think they've done well with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► and I think that day you know everybody is sort of you know the argument is boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► that the carriers hate Apple because Apple takes more money from the carriers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► than they do from other phones that's why the care of the carriers try to push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► his other phoned but the iPhone is so successful that it's worked out I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► I don't think I've already has a problem have also done well will be carriers you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► guys didn't just focus on the USB but worldwide it difficult pretty good beach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► in their own areas all over the place right saying it was the same thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► New Zealand where there were a couple to choose from Vodafone and but it's got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► be marketed to the fact that they could affect the next one was filed under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2516">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► computers but what I meant was it was a slight title but the gist of it though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► is that Apple never successfully maintained two systems like once the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► able to really faded fast and you know they've tried it with the Newton and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► new never took off they never had two platforms to computing platforms going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► at the same time in maintaining them and I think since 2010 they've done a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► good job of moving iOS and Mac OS 10 forward I tend to agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► putting them both under Frederick II clearly means that they date to sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► understand that having a bifurcated elastin and computer development is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► good for the company to the sort of be organized to be everything under one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► ship and they are moving Iowa sand and I was ten city closer together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► did you know they share the same colonel lot of the same frameworks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► sort of user experience in a cloud in the launch pad at Kennedy I and III I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► bet a lot of people out there listening or disagree cause I know I get a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► emails from people who say that they're worried because Apple hasn't done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► anything radically new with iOS came out that it's you know that that's it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► need something new and and a lot of people have really hung our hat on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► fact that forced all is out and Jony ive is taking over and I think a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► people really expect Iowa 72 be new new new they shouldn't and I think that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► are going to be disappointed disappointed disappointed again I come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► if I would bet that the reaction is going to be really this is it I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► believe it I thought it was going to be all radically new yeah I mean I'm only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► saying guarantee people in Apple but believe me we don't know how I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► know anything about this but just the way product planning works and timelines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► there's no way they're putting all of Iowa seven right after the first left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► maybe I'll a statement really interesting but I S seven would be less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► of a lis pendens I think many people hoping for right and cosmetically apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► and they've said this X presley like shoulder has said this I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► Steve Jobs ever did because it's seems like the sort of thing that's only come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► up more recently but they've set it on the record multiple times that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► don't do new for the sake of new they only doing new if it's better pay and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► this was in response to the iPhone 4 s in particular of wow you why would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► guys make a phone that looks exactly like the old and their injuries if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2697">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► know if we can't do better we're not gonna do different just for the sake of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► different here's the thing though I think that they do need to do better I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► something like springboard is sort of running into into a ball goes into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► and i could get complicated really doesn't scale very well we're looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► sort of ACOs aid finder kind of stuff do you mean when there's just a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► stuff jammed in there I think it really goes to the technical debt thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► promise springboard to me is that it's really hard to manage a lot of apps like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► if you have a bunch of apps in you want you know it just turns into a mass after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► your first or second screen they want you to have a lot of apps like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► clearly want you and encourage people to go to the AppStore and download lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► free and very low cost apps but it's not it's there's no good way to order them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► yeah it's very straightforward which I get four points for but it's it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► too much stuff going on there and that's sort of what you have I think once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► have them ordered the basic concept of all there are our apps you tap them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► in the screen I still think that's fundamentally brilliant and right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► think the problem is that springboard makes it too difficult to to organize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► them yet it doesn't scale well I mean I and abusing spotlight quite a bit I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► given up organizing my ad I just kind of go and I try to find one or just type it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► into the into the spotlight search field I've got two screens that are ordered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► and then rested one and a half but at the user's input behind the scenes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► springboard is a huge piece of software like it is the window manager and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► there's no that is not a part of technical did try it all apart and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► factored into something that sort of more easily manipulated in order to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2814">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► better serve you to design directions and I think it might be something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► is going to see a flick but I do think it reflects younger people than older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► cuz I was talkin bout with molten the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► couple weeks ago about how we used to install on Mac OS nine today change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► though the window style I would never do that now I wouldn't do that that sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► so stupid to me now but I was really into that when I was 19 20 21 years old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► I wanted something new I was bored with the way it looked and you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► it's not something that Apple is really gonna concern itself with they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► going to concern themselves with changing chrome for just for the sake of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► changing the crowd was talking the dog chip on his commission recently and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► was pointing out this like a lot of people jailbreak just it is tough to fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► with the phone just to make it look customize it make it look like their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► and he was saying that even if Apple did allow you did sort of pick teams people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► would still be children because they would want to pick a team that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► support you know because it is all about the customization and yeah I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► mean I feel now that the world has flicked is correct it is isn't it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► infliction to sort of want to mess with this kind of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► reconcile you know I can remember when I want to customize I was the reason I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► affliction as someone who used to do it and I'll bet i'll bet they're fired 21 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► right now I'd probably have my phone my iphone jailbreak sure I don't have time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► I jailbroke was back with the original one on Craigs up when I had to encounter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► so you know I bought my first iPhone in simpson's go with Chris Parrish and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► didn't even know what I could do it and brought it home and I basically just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2936">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► looked at it for days in jail bait and all you could do is basically call 911 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► so tempted to call 911 do something I just kept playing with a little slider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► for days until the first but in hindsight when I look back when I used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► to want to do that I was never satisfied however like I'd be satisfied like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► new theme for the extension then style getting a new team that made me happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► would satisfy me for about five minutes better never ended I need you don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► you trying to get to try to make the Millennium Falcon right with special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► modifications and it just you never gonna get there so that people who want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► that sort of knew this from iOS they're not going to get it from Apple but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► got you kind of have an hour jailbreak I don't know if you can't get another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► we're going on is that we kind of think Apple should have a legitimate waited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► jailed at least at that point probably do Xcode know you can connect it you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► you can say yes I want this to unlock see can ssh into the phone you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► don't think I'll ever do it but I think it's a good thing could be useful for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► the developer community and I kind of agree with that and something where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► somehow secure I don't know you have to sign in with your lady [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► exactly do you know use some cryptography there you know to a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► bit just something like an Iowa s not not not the same thing but the same idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► as to what he called on Mac OS 10 now where the App Store launched unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► they're signed gatekeeper gatekeeper right but the same basic idea that where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► you you know some kind of user action yeah exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► something that went through Xcode and it should not be on the phone there should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► be no way on the phone today go in which a button input into Lake development but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► I think that would be it would be useful to me as a developer to build a mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► around with this kind of stuff directly let's play devil's advocate and toxicity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► is there an advantage to the jailbreak jailbreaking works now though for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► insofar as that really really smart guys down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► on bugs yes that allow for it and then Apple gets too close those bugs because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► they become public as opposed to those bugs remaining secret and black guys you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► know using it to to do exploits yes I mean I don't think that Apple I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► think that Apple doesn't allow jailbreak simply to have some kind of shaking up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► their their code but I think it too happy by-product for sure and talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► grant and most of that sort of most of this market said of the community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3117">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► understands it when Apple closes when these loopholes it's because it is for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► security reasons they don't take it personally like a lot of the articles it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► running like a shutdown jailbreaking but is not when you can go to website in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► reboot your phone in two different ways that's not Apple shutting down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► jailbreaking that is a serious problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► addressing you know and and gone again points out that some of the exploits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► that you need to have to pass code and you have to be doing something very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► different like you have to have local access to the device itself like six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► months to actually closes loopholes like they clearly prioritize not to shut down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► Shelby but to secure their phone for the customers which is the right thing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► yeah and you know it's not just Apple that gets that sort of press coverage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► about that mistakenly reading way too much into the reasons behind I saw a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► story about Google that did the same thing with headline was Google shut down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► ad blocker and there was this ad blocker app for Android that was taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► advantage of blacks permissions to block ads like in other apps I mean it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► always you know any and all that the Google did was sort of make it so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► you had to get permission to do it but it broke completely broke this ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► blocker ARB it really was though it was fixing security type now security may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► the wrong way but like somebody yeah it was a bug they were fixing a bug that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► the app was taking advantage of the fact that has a happy by-product more Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► ads come through I'm sure that they don't mind but there really wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► yeah I mean people Scrabble eddyville 22 companies and you know it's not always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► dad cut and dry you know that but came across them engineers desk and he fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► it you know it wasn't given the Chinese gin up there at numbers but I swear by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► sheer coincidence the next slide on my deck of that was the App Store and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► at the time 2010 we are still up more controversy about rejections and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► was getting through and I feel like they've they've they've and I described [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► it then is that they were a few degrees off course that they didn't need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► radical turn around they just needed a minor course correction because even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► you're just a few degrees of course if you keep going long enough pretty soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► you're lost you know and I feel like they did that I don't feel that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► rejections content in a major problem no I don't think every once in a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► there's an exception but they tend to fix it I think they're not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► perfect you can't have a hundred thousand apps in the store and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► every night never make a mistake as to what gets in and look at rejected its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► yeah I think they're doing a great job with the extra personally I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► totally screwed up and sank a very good answer came out I was really came from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► console gaming background professionally and I was really sure that they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► have lunch with a 10 apps that they'd worked very closely with developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► honor and what they did is largely very broad and varied widely I thought the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► answer should be way more confined you know you should pay a heavy price to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► in there and that should work with you and sort of like really horny sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► and I think what they have done is really sort of jet the needle between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► being wide open and being directed yeah I I honestly had the same I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► if I would have taken it quite is restricted as you but I expected and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► assorted disappointed that they didn't reject more apps just for being ugly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► really thought that if I got that they would just say no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► yeah I guess my thought was that they would only accept the apps today now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► promote right like you certain they're not going to promote an ugly app but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► really thought that the absolute they promote like in the featured page of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► App Store app then he added I thought that would be it would be all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► apps in the App Store it's almost still I would be wrong I think that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► wrong thing to do I think that what they did is the right thing but I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► people networking like we were right that it should be more restricted but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► there's it's a case for Apple and you know it's served some people will roll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► their eyes but that the App Store is far more open closer to open and close than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► I expected it to be in that it could have been and and I think it has been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► yeah the flip side of those things we've just been talking about is whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► a mistake and whether its gonna hurt the company that there's there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► gatekeeper like mode of non App Store sanctions on App Store software on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► mistake I think that's exactly what we want you to tell me that they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► have a motive next code where you want them to do it but think that they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► have your say no ok so maybe we're maybe we're talking cross-purposes here what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► what I think that they should do is have a mode in Xcode in order to unlock the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► basically what is now jailed big access for developers and for anybody's hit 99 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► bucks to get this certain and Xcode and actually goes to the gatekeeper allows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► you to sideload software that's not from the actor right I don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► allowing that right I think the way that they conceptually should do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► gatekeeper on the iPhone is what you're saying a developer ok so do I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► think yeah I don't think it should be anything that a consumer would in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► way be encouraged to sideload apps ok so we we we do now is it shortsighted and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► don't think it's that big a deal certainly not losing sales over it may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► be there maybe they're losing experimental stuff the jail big guys do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► but I don't think they know I don't know how much how many ideas a pic from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► go back and deal with the classic days depict a multi-vendor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► actively what today would have to be jailed I don't see them doing that love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► with IRS these days no although they've hired some jailbreak guys yeah they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► smart guys and see what they do and it's good stuff but they don't necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► pick the ideas the right exactly my next life with security and that you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► and we feel like it just like the last couple months have been so many hacks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► that passed screen one is naughty yeah so that they've you know they keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► coming up with ways for example that you can circumvent the passcode screen on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► iOS and then it just seems that one seems really weird to me insofar as that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► every difference so many bugs around the past screen and Iowa State you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► just think that there be some kind of way to audit that code to take a step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► back and say look this you know one times bad luck but two or three times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► let's let's audit that route I mean I i you know it's you know it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► comps at 11 yeah don't continue until this number is 210 like the whole system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► is never going to be bugged too complex and everybody has to buy love the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► software works it's always been about but it a small enough component you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► think you could get really close to being bug free and you would think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► the passcode is a relatively that the lock screen is a relatively small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► component well I think what happens is it interacts with other stuff like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► counter contact picture comes up and contact Picard is a different process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► but it's definitely different group that developed the different appetites coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3595">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► soon it for the content that actually but so you know and then you can cancel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► and get it in some weird kind of state because that code isn't necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► developed with the idea that it will be running within the secure inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► context of the passcode lock the kind of kid is going to be the context of a nap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► and I think maybe I guess what I'm under estimating is how complex it is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► it's not truly a lock screen if the lock screen really meant that you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► nothing except type in a number or a passcode if you have the other one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► basket set type in your passcode or passphrase and then you can use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► phone they probably could make it bug free but the problem is you can do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► write like the music player controls the fact that you can get to Siri rate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► the fact that you have to be allowed to make emergency phone calls like a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3656">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► them involved that path through the emergency phone call ya in that once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► have any sort of exceptions like that some bugs are inevitable I guess it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► still weird but I I wanted to though it must be the case that I do you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► hear about people who've had their passwords taken in iTunes right there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► also that security not just device security but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► you know what happens if there's a major breach and your Apple IDs yeah it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► I don't think that they're particularly I mean that happened to Matt Honan yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► part of the a part of what happened to his Twitter account getting hacked was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► you know yeah that is MobileMe account got attacked and that was the email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► address he was depending on it was taken not by its technical flaw but social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► engineering somebody who called out Palin you know gave him at his mother's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► maiden name some stupid thing that wasn't that hard to find in almost a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► discount is this I'd be curious to know how much of a real-world impact that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► how many people that actually I don't know does seem like it's growing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► especially the tax on services right twittered you know they say a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► hundred thousand accounts were compromised but everybody I know had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► their password reset so I don't know so I think it's a risk I think this is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► of those things running Apple has a particularly worse security threat than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► any other major company like Google or Facebook or Amazon but that it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► threat to all of these companies like in terms of you want to just do risk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► assessment that you know it's gotta be a well here's the thing I i think's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► those with those mobile web based companies have a better handle on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► security than Apple I think I don't mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► there's a larger surface area for exploits in terms of what Apple shares [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► may be in code and then there are in like web services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► well maybe I mean the scariest jailbreak to me was the one I think it was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► the one but like you said it was the laundry just went to the website and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► you know just by going to the website it took advantage of a bug in Safari that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► let it ruin your phone I mean that was that was terrified yeah I mean and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► talking about Apple shutting down jailbreaking there's a reason to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► only allow nitro to the right side Safari rather than in said you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► and you know this but experts say could be done things broken you know that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3832">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► not a matter of them trying to shut down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► performance and it's damn really trying to be right absolutely a security thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► it's it's almost more surprising that they even do it use it in Mobile Safari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► and we talked about this planet that at the time I I think the only reason that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► performance sleep when they started doing it so I think they did you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► bit the bullet and and went with it but I think that if if Android didn't use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► just-in-time compiler for their JavaScript engine that Apple wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► have it in so far either and it is in fact that I know that they had it for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► while and deployed in it and if there were a way that they could make night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► night rose the one that everybody does nitro the one that has the just doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► matter I guess I think I think a slower one that all the other WebKit using apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► get on I less if they could make it just as fast but without the executable bids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► in memory they would do it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► many people who think that Apple's being spiteful to slow down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► other people's browsers on iOS or not they don't anything I was to be so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► know that's actually spend what happens to it so the JavaScript JavaScript comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► down and gets compiled into code like honest-to-god code is going to be on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► CPU and then that's put into memory and that memory is marked as being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► executable which means that the CPU tilted interpret their code and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► leads to horrible right if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► bad guys if you can put your own code into those same memory spots it can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► whatever it wants its marked as being executable yeah including stealing your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► passwords because it's running into Safari so it has access to everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/3956">TS</a>]
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01:19:47 ◼ ► really want to see the box my point was that they they blew all of this press on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► it saying that they clearly haven't finished designing right that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► wasted all of this and energy and attention and clearly not done yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4794">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► that's my point and that I think it's a i think that they've got to get their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► shit together because if they don't see AppleTV AppleTV like devices is as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► bigger threat to their PlayStation business then Xbox then they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► not and I think Microsoft Microsoft Holy See's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► that Xbox needs to get more like Apple TV I tend to agree so the thing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► missing about the pH for her because you don't get the stuff is that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► actually addressing a lot of the reasons why I was devices are more popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► popular bit why they have such might share in the gaming world now you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► you'd you'd put up your ps3 you have to wait for like ages 2 to get a software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► update the games you have to wait four gigabytes to download to patch and a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► of the ps4 announcement was about damn smoothing out that that sort of I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► something they needed to announce it now though I think they should have I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4856">TS</a>]
01:20:59 ◼ ► they should have borrowed a page from Apple and waited until the thing was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4859">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► closer to being done and I and yes I don't get the games out the developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► have to be in on the technical details of it and a half games and it's not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► do that in the back channels right and John Carmack is gonna know all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► details of it is you want to have some awesome game from him on the system but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► that it did not get into a press event that you know i mean you be has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► definite just down the street here that you don't need an event that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:34 ◼ ► know why they were trying to show off maybe Microsoft I don't know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4894">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► follow that to say that the industry as much as I used to but it has tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► announce what they did to 3d mattress yeah yeah I could tell you feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► that kind of lame reaction somehow wanted to get make an announcement first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► whether they were ready to or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► yeah so yeah I think Apple TV is interesting attempt what they need to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4917">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► is release beef up their Bluetooth stack so that people can build controllers 22 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► games like let's say Nintendo Wii U's not something great I don't think intend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► to get a hardware but I'd love to take what it could be an interesting pattern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► going forward is to make their own control is it worked with software that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:27 ◼ ► wouldn't it make an apple to you or whatever Google happens to have at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4947">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► time I could see something like that I don't know but maybe I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► wonder because he's like consoles have lasted six seven years now can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► imagine the Apple TV is gonna be in seven years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► like the age of eight everything relentlessly every year on this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► stuff and it's just going to get more and more powerful and and the way to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► game console business works is prolly gonna gets its way if not Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4974">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► something like it I totally agree I feel like it's really it's difficult to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► have a 67 year product almost impossible to have that sort of schedule now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► yeah that's a good question what will happen to be like in six or seven years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► would be tiny silent and having to have incredible graphics right because by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► 1080p screen is going to be tiny you know in terms of pixel count I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► that's nothing I mean they are already close to it on our phones and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► phones actually have it with other brands I think that you could easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► saturate the pipeline to it he said six seven years from now and he saw that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► what cable and panic put a parade yeah that the adapter to HDMI adapter has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5031">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► little ARM chip in it right with they said when they safe to make to MBR to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► give a bit of RAM but first he made it sound like I had two gigabytes of RAM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► which I thought wasn't saying that have been right it is wrong to gigabit bite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:23 ◼ ► which is 256 megabytes but still 256 megabytes of RAM isn't that what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5063">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► original iPhone had the iPhone 512 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► think it could be 256 I think that it has that the adapter has much RAM is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► regular doctor too and it won't even attended to being smart right but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► running reliance on it so yeah just it you know Apple TV is going places I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► think you could easily jam AppleTV within a few years into that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5094">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► form factor that you just stick into the back you TV and you don't you know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► mean maybe actually maybe it was just an HDMI dongle can you get power from HDMI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► like USB this is an interesting question the original 2006 until the 3ds and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► the forehead 512 for us at 512 another 500 gigabyte [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► yet but seems to drive with my recollection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► the Lightning the HDMI adapter has twice the hell you know what kind of makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► sense because it needed for her frame buffer and since it is insane is totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► crazy yea oh you know so I found this out HDMI cable supports high voltage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► power so it's quite possibly could plug in an AppleTV national TV HDMI dongle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► and then have you wouldn't see it but you don't need line of sight because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► it's gonna use Bluetooth instead of IR exactly I don't think I could be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► every create an event on it we just designed an awesome product for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► the last item on my my list from that talking in 2010 was about box credits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► and by which I meant that I thought it might be problematic in that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:43 ◼ ► should go back to letting letting the people who make their products somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5203">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► get credit for them maybe that'll be but I do think it ties in with retention to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► write that if you want to make a name for yourself in your career it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► really hard to do that Apple because there's only a handful of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5217">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► executive-level employees who who they allowed to do so with occasional got his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► name again randy is kinda weird start starlet so despite you know right I'm so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► curious about what the thinking is behind why does Randy will Bullas get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► get credit by name and come up and do that you know what does Jeff Robin Robin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► just a handful of guys get to do that but got bought brought in to purchased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► in there but that's the only explanation I think they also so did their killers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► in white Steve love dateline did he loved imma be loved I moved to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► expense of chasing down music when he should have read write and anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► iTunes and I did really well just kind of the two pillars of media did sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► get that little but it is to me it just placing your argument though they retain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► talent retention is a problem in one of the areas that they're clearly week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► about i think is is given to take credit and I'm not saying that they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► broadcasted I'd realize that marketing wise it's much stronger to put Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► designed by Apple in California but to me it's like Pixar is the example where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► it its Pixar is way way more heavily promoted than any you know the directors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► are but they certainly give credit to the directors you know and it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► you know and the argument with Apple the original argument behind getting rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► the ballot box critics was that it was it was being used by police cruisers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► and today that's absurd right with LinkedIn and army and police are allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► to have linkedin profiles early stage do have them whether they're allowed to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► idea that that's what recruiters need that recruiters can't coach from Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► because i dont have about bucks credits its defies belief it's good to me not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► mention the illegal deals not people write a recruiter looks at an Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► product that you know just pick pick an absence as I wanna get I wanted to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► if I can hire some people who wrote this for Apple they're gonna find out who did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► it so yeah yeah I'd like to see about books get it I don't know if that's such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► a big deal of people carrying anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► a used to be a big thing like I would love to see my name in the credits that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► I don't know I would like to know I don't know I like credit I'll eyesight I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► sit through the credits in movies you know yeah but what I like about this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► this is another form of retention rate if you will get it working and thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► them for spending their talent I'm making things for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5396">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► them for spending their talent I'm making things for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5396">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► right and I i think is increasingly going to be a problem but we'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► anything else had to do you think that you think that I said I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► yeah this is a good list I actually forgot it in this time it's pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► I don't see competitor treasure being that much of an issue for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► I mean like did so that this is market shares to attack in the top of the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► to identify market I don't think so I don't think that's the problem really I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► i don't you know I don't think that they have a problem if you think the share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► price matters it I don't really think so you know I guess if it fell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► significantly further it might because at some point you know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:55 ◼ ► shareholders could disrupt the actual way that the company is being run a date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5455">TS</a>]
01:30:59 ◼ ► have to respond but that is part of the advantage of having amount of cash that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5459">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► they have is that the share price can't fall that much further right I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► believe you can listen it's alright I guess that is true but it it gets to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:16 ◼ ► point of words starting to really is just obviously so that you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5476">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► there's all sorts of ways that the stock price can be irrational but at a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► level can't get that low p/e level right as long as the earnings up I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► it's already as low as it is because there is clearly some people who trade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► the stock who actually think that their earnings are gonna fall whereas I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:40 ◼ ► that the problem if insofar as it the problem is that they're just slow the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5500">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► growth is significantly slowing down because they've said you know they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► reached a point where not not where the phone market is saturated but where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► closer to saturated where it's more equilibrium that they're really just up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► against the pace at which people around the world are able to or or and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5517">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► willing to switch from dumb phones to smartphones whereas they had a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:10 ◼ ► you know they weren't near that well yeah he's explosive a whole new thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5530">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► and it just what you think I didn't used to care about smartphones and about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► know I did when I get major i remember i cant member who wrote it but somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► wrote a story in late 2006 about in my time in his name the coding guy jeff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► might have been if not it was somebody who have filed in my head is being like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► jeff Atwood but who had a Windows Mobile Smartphone old Windows Mobile and was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► saying about how amazing it is in it yes the phone and it was like fully aware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► that the phone is kinda janky in a lot of ways in all the ways that like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► iPhone came into blew them away but he was just talking about how awesome it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5571">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► to be able to do is Google things when everyone really knew that was pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5575">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► much the whole argument came down to whoever wrote it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► their argument came down to it's kind of amazing to be able to Google and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:06 ◼ ► Google answer question anytime anywhere and that you can do that on this phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5586">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► and that he can't believe how many you know for all the flaws of these devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► he can't believe that anybody did you know you could have one dozen and it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► kinda made me think maybe then I looked at them and i got now I don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► this stock price matters that much as I just don't see how the PE value can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► much lower than it is now I do think I think that the company will largely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► still continue to be undervalued overall but here's one thing i i i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► the stock price may have some impact on retention I was just about your read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwqBGqo/5622">TS</a>]
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