The Talk Show

106: ‘Star Wars Holiday Spectacular’, With Guests John Siracusa and Guy English


  so I don't know how else can I don't live when the last time I've had more [TS]

  than one person on the show probably more I was on stage wbez work out a deal [TS]

  with you can be able yeah that's right [TS]

  john-john abducted my my basic just though is shouldn't star wars for two [TS]

  hours [TS]

  movies you know what's funny before you decide to do the christmas spectacular [TS]

  again this year [TS]

  ship them actually have again I thought about and it's actually scrupulous and [TS]

  it's actually circus well that's when it is here we are making up for last year [TS]

  where it was a total sham and surprising amount of email from people who told me [TS]

  that we must have screwed up the editing because we cut it off before Gianmarco [TS]

  made it on lemme they were a little bit in the back of the stage no driving home [TS]

  in there so I have you guys done John year on the incomparable semi frequently [TS]

  frequently semi frequently have you done Star Wars on the incomparable [TS]

  I don't let anybody shows now I we have done all of the Star Wars movies the [TS]

  original Star Wars movies and we've done so 21 into the prequels and we did with [TS]

  the Star Wars Holiday Special [TS]

  see I've never seen that guy have you seen the Star Wars Holiday Special no I [TS]

  don't especially after listening to the content don't thought I'd I feel exactly [TS]

  the same way you do for the team their next watches yeah I can possibly avoid [TS]

  the jasons revenge for me making him watch like hours and hours of anime [TS]

  play video games special a couple of years ago one of the sites published a [TS]

  like what they call now explain Ernst you know like this concept of an [TS]

  explainer which I kind of like it's sort of like a blog post crossed with like [TS]

  Wikipedia entry is an exercise tried to think pretending word explainer doesn't [TS]

  exist and then try to think of another phrase or summary description of what we [TS]

  now know as unexplained because whenever I do and I come up with something that's [TS]

  insulting what would it be I'm not treated outside I mean I like this for [TS]

  dummies things are never let me simplify this to the point where it seems [TS]

  understandable but what you're actually coming away from the article with is not [TS]

  a true understanding of the subject because really complicated let me take a [TS]

  complicated thing and make it really simple let me like you just don't know [TS]

  explain errors I i understand why you but some people are attracted to the [TS]

  concept but the actual articles I've read that are described as explainer is [TS]

  just leave me angry over you may be a good summary executive summary overview [TS]

  like it does not much I don't know whenever I read something that's [TS]

  described as an explainer is just like you know like it is an article in the [TS]

  Atlantic something nobody calls it an explainer an article supposed to explain [TS]

  things once you call it an explainer that's like code 404 not actually get [TS]

  you the real and unreasonably angry about explainer gone well I remember I [TS]

  appreciated with someone from on it was Benghazi or one of these things [TS]

  where it seemed like I would have had to read 20 articles to catch up and it [TS]

  didn't make any sense and I read their quote unquote explainer and it kind of [TS]

  figured I figured the whole thing out because you know in the just and explain [TS]

  their they're like this is really nothing it's really just political shit [TS]

  but it is called it the news the Euro watching it would tell you a summary of [TS]

  what's going on [TS]

  and well anyway somebody wrote an explainer on the Star Wars Holiday [TS]

  Special and had just enough screencaps where I was like holy cow it really is [TS]

  worse than the terrible reputation would have you believe and so I knew I never [TS]

  had to watch and not only that as I said in income people think it's not even the [TS]

  type of thing if you care about stories that are all that you can watch and be [TS]

  like high level does it so bad you know i mean you can't even do that it's just [TS]

  it's just bad just not fun not interesting that you care about two [TS]

  hours and it was shocking video camera shot at least so we're having a holiday [TS]

  special we're talking about stars but it has nothing to do with the store ways [TS]

  Star Wars Holiday Spectacular whatever they called it not yet at least alright [TS]

  and also I only want to talk about the movies the whole expanded university as [TS]

  a pilot crap as far as I'm concerned [TS]

  cartoons as much but I don't they're different thing like yours give the [TS]

  movies are like a good steak dinner they're gonna get beef jerky that you'd [TS]

  buy their meat but you know I'm not really same kind of thing I have you [TS]

  watched all of the cartoons clone wars and now the Star Wars rebels and there's [TS]

  some there's some things to commend them to Sun star was a stuff but I don't see [TS]

  how they could possibly fit into the story to the movies chillin in any [TS]

  sensible way I mean you know but you know if they let a traditional sense [TS]

  where it's like a TV show out of the movies and it's in the same universe and [TS]

  at the same time line but there's no specific expectation that they feel are [TS]

  behaving as I like the movie because they're not there and animated [TS]

  television show as opposed to movies and for what they're actually pretty decent [TS]

  wasn't the original premise for Star Wars rebels though [TS]

  that it would be live action but there was the talk of a live-action Star Wars [TS]

  TV series very long time ago [TS]

  round by the time I think the prequels of either in the process of being made [TS]

  before they were made and that seemed to fall by the wayside it just didn't it [TS]

  didn't didn't work out for whatever reason they forget the actual situation [TS]

  was and more recently ever heard the idea of it coming back up again I'm not [TS]

  opposed to such a thing I think it would be cool but the Clone Wars the computer [TS]

  anyone with kind of weird because there was another animated thing called the [TS]

  Clone Wars there was so animated as opposed to CG and the Great Mall them [TS]

  very different stylistic choices than the movie wait when was this round by [TS]

  round about the time of maybe I guess episode 2 or something it was so [TS]

  animated Disney for episode two very stylized kind of like Samurai Jack [TS]

  Antonoff was the same guy that said it was the same game and it was great and [TS]

  you know what it ends with it ends with the opening scene from episode to the [TS]

  end of that are that animation art ends with the invasion of the result [TS]

  encouragement from the bridges grievances gives his army shows up and [TS]

  that's the did you finally get one or the CD one where you learn why General [TS]

  Grievous is always in everything she says she'll say that the Showa shell [TS]

  shaded so these things about how come I'm not aware of this how can that kind [TS]

  of the right age I don't associate of mine I don't know I don't think john was [TS]

  born yet but also that he wasn't it certainly wasn't as big as my what was [TS]

  it called and I think well here's the thing I think you actually had to be a [TS]

  bit of an animation urged to get into it were to hear about it that's great did [TS]

  you know from whence the movies came but they do you think I'm gonna be able to [TS]

  get these are night [TS]

  I would have found the right acct Clone Wars has got to be available oh yes eg [TS]

  is i've i've seen i i i to him I'm completely caught up [TS]

  seen every episode of The Clone Wars saw the theatrical release which is really [TS]

  just a two-hour episode of the TV show and just recently caught up Jonas and I [TS]

  caught up on the I think there's only seven episodes of Star Wars we're just [TS]

  talking to Lisa well if that's the case then I like the way that the rebels TV [TS]

  show is doesn't feature any of the characters from the feature films yet [TS]

  but it's very clearly in the world and its creeping up on a new hope [TS]

  timeline so you start seeing typewriters look like Thai fighters and you know [TS]

  kind of rebels in the empire in more or less the shapes that you would've [TS]

  expected but it's a totally different thing it's a different cast of [TS]

  characters doing different things within the same university and it's a there's a [TS]

  bit of a sorry there's a bit of awareness in it [TS]

  jenna is running around where is it as a new hope you know that there's at least [TS]

  two believes it is no other time in hiding I mean you have a Star Wars show [TS]

  it's a good idea to have some citizens and lightsabers oh yeah it in terms of [TS]

  the narrative device yes for sure but I mean it kind of goes against what we [TS]

  heard last year yeah that's what it says on his deathbed and there are no way is [TS]

  it empire is a Return of the Jedi when he's dying might be Return of the Jedi [TS]

  when he's dying and he says something to the effect of you know in 10 seconds [TS]

  from now when I dot last at the Jedi you will be [TS]

  here last edited so I there something new that I have to learn but I don't [TS]

  know my way around the underground internet so now and get these sell any [TS]

  QuickTime movies they're probably like 320 by 240 [TS]

  I'll remember when that was the big size I remember when 160 120 was was the [TS]

  regular so it's set up a compression is high fidelity that's a look great I'm [TS]

  surprised that that wasn't like a bigger deal anyway and what I understand is [TS]

  with the Disney purchase of Lucasfilm in the archive night I mention this with [TS]

  West Coast a couple weeks ago that there there marlys saying with this movie [TS]

  all those novels and should that you've been reading for twenty years that all [TS]

  out the door we are not looking at any of that and you know that Canada anymore [TS]

  they have to do that because they're going to make it run illogically after [TS]

  Return of the Jedi the expanding universe is like told all those stories [TS]

  like 20 times over let me know what happens to all the characters that we [TS]

  love this whole other bad guys and good guys and like they just run it out [TS]

  safely you can't put anything chronologically after July unless you [TS]

  either do exactly what happened in the books which probably a bad idea or put [TS]

  it way way way past where the books go or something then say okay it's the [TS]

  distant distant its way better so I was always called expanded I think this is [TS]

  the only possible way to make a movie with the original actors you just gotta [TS]

  say forget about the books I read it I think there's a there's a problem with [TS]

  fetishes and candid going to hamstring Astoria Hotel good reason just don't let [TS]

  it rest doesn't mean you can't read those books and have fun but you know [TS]

  you don't need to be in the exact same canonical University [TS]

  only read the first of those books the first one with the Grand Admiral Timothy [TS]

  Zahn so bad it kept me from ever reading anymore but I i've at least aware of [TS]

  what happened in it in one of you know I saw the headlines one of the novel's [TS]

  Chewbacca catskill and you know there's no way they're not bringing Chewbacca [TS]

  back in the new movie does eventually gonna kill him in the movie then I can [TS]

  they're not going to just say we're sure to bacha [TS]

  like they did in like they did in Last Crusade where they just kind of pan over [TS]

  to a picture of sean connery on his desk [TS]

  yeah because they couldn't get him to do the movie or whatever yeah I always [TS]

  understood I like to pretend it didn't happen and happen in the same could have [TS]

  University people's 2007 potentially as in the same kind of danger zone because [TS]

  everyone's excited ready for a long time and they couldn't get [TS]

  principles together to do it by the time they did her supporters really old and I [TS]

  was like you know it's also here we have a little better here because I think [TS]

  chronologically speaking everyone is more comfortable with the actors being [TS]

  the ages to be an episode 7 it's like how many years of best and that's [TS]

  exactly how much older you're supposed to be so you're fine make up this is [TS]

  what you look like when you're this age fine and and the other thing to do the [TS]

  same point is there's clearly gonna be a cast of 22 thirty-something heroes and [TS]

  villains major roles to do that sort of running and jumping and falling stuff [TS]

  that you need not Shia LaBeouf right so that the classic characters can also [TS]

  take on the roles of like obi-wan and Grandma Tarkenton [TS]

  to be there though like when they said I guess what everybody's coming back in [TS]

  psychology everybody's conduct and you start to worry that like it's going to [TS]

  be like their last hurrah and the gang will be the young actors but like it'll [TS]

  be a movie for the old stairs and transition to the youngsters during the [TS]

  movie that was the fear that I hear you make it they'll guys run around for as [TS]

  long as you've got them and you'll kill some of them all for those kind of you [TS]

  know passed the baton and the next move you be really about youngsters but like [TS]

  what they like what they did with obi-wan in the Phantom Menace yeah kind [TS]

  of I mean it like well it it's like we're going to introduce what's going to [TS]

  be one of the flagship characters of the whole six movie series obi-wan Kenobi [TS]

  and then we'll just spend the entire Middle our the movie with him waiting on [TS]

  a spaceship in the desert you just don't know who the hell is I know so little [TS]

  about the movies I've been avoiding spoilers that just based on the casting [TS]

  alone you say well given this cast I can make a movie [TS]

  mostly about the old people and about the idea of like now their past their [TS]

  prime in the passing the baton as you generation but this they're like one [TS]

  last heist or whatever you know if you want to use another movie cliché you [TS]

  could do movie entirely about young people and these guys are just in [TS]

  supporting roles in the their brief glimpses of them or whatever I still [TS]

  know what kind of movies gonna be based on the trailer is no basis in a trail at [TS]

  also there's a clear signal of the gates as I know we've got his great people but [TS]

  does a movie about these youngsters and here they all are on the trailer and [TS]

  we're not even gonna show you any of the other people who is playing the fucking [TS]

  somebody well I gotta be there are honored to have surely be like $200 [TS]

  don't know fly casual a great line yeah so I i mean starting out with our [TS]

  anticipation of the force awakens as good a place as any [TS]

  does it really what motivated me to do the show it to get me excited about Star [TS]

  Wars again to and the severe let I would describe indeed for as more of a letdown [TS]

  than even the Phantom I would not just good to see you you would not disagree [TS]

  you think you know I would not know someone is the biggest disappointment of [TS]

  our generation because of the massive anticipation and like it was promised it [TS]

  was foretold ride we wanted to know what happened in this whole you know how I [TS]

  can turn to Darth Vader what's the deal we want to know we're promised like a [TS]

  nine movie magazines for so long and we waited and waited 24 was like suppose [TS]

  they can make another indie movie but if they never make another one I feel [TS]

  satisfied that the arc of Indian 03 good movies 2 good movies in the movie that [TS]

  was ok and that's fine you weren't taking to know something that has been [TS]

  talked about or alluded to the entire run of the series of whether it be for [TS]

  you massively anticipated with a huge gap in between and the disappointment I [TS]

  think was even more crushing only seen any for once but my recollection is it [TS]

  was not as incompetently made as it's it's like the journey dangers I signed [TS]

  for once [TS]

  you in with us we're talking about excitement about the new Bond who added [TS]

  the new Star Wars and hands down is going to be the next year as much as I [TS]

  like 25 bonds now has the hit the out that it's like there's going to be some [TS]

  bad movies there's gonna be some good ones are currently in an upswing 27 [TS]

  those Daniel Craig and like no matter how big a Bond fan you are you're like [TS]

  well this is a bad bomb but always like it's it's it's evergreen just mentioning [TS]

  celebrate the same way that resulted franchises you like well I don't like [TS]

  the spawned a different that you don't have to worry about continuity in order [TS]

  it actors aging out the disaster like doctor who this new guy the ups and [TS]

  downs in its signs were a Star Wars is a defined continuity in stories specific [TS]

  actors playing specific characters the doesn't have that out so it's like it's [TS]

  got its gotta count you don't get a million jobs well even if Specter and of [TS]

  stinking we would get just as excited next time when whatever they cashed it [TS]

  just felt like it would just be me said you like and you expect Asians would be [TS]

  fine cool another you think it's safe to say I think I forget exactly when [TS]

  goldeneye came out but I would say in the last twenty years we've had four [TS]

  pretty good Bond movies we've had goldeneye and in the three Daniel Craig [TS]

  ones so in 20 years we've already we've got four good ones under her belt so [TS]

  does a dud next year wouldn't ways down the swing and a Miss is not weird [TS]

  foreboding understand your attraction to go then I but I'm willing to concede [TS]

  that we've had pretty good set of Bond movies sprinkled throughout the bad ones [TS]

  and even the bad ones are like Mao whenever you know I don't love gold star [TS]

  wars on the other hand weird Ryan yeah well but I do think the long term and [TS]

  this is another reason I thought to convene in you know I've done specials [TS]

  on bond back in the day with Dan [TS]

  and now we're doing Star Wars I do think though that ultimately like twenty [TS]

  twenty five years from now we'll look back at Star Wars as a sort of bond like [TS]

  franchise where I I think we're going to see an endless series of trilogies we [TS]

  hope so because when it was tied up in Lucas like Lucas is the one who waited [TS]

  16 years or whatever to to give us episode one and there was all because he [TS]

  controlled everything no no cooperation would never have waited that long civil [TS]

  like you're sitting on this cash cow what you're doing right and turning into [TS]

  a franchise freeze it from the constraints imposed by the time this new [TS]

  trilogy is over we'll also freed from the constraints of those characters that [TS]

  we know and love because although all be two older dead certainly actors well and [TS]

  then you're free to do whatever you want with his university could have done all [TS]

  along but because I didn't want to do that never happened right so I have had [TS]

  a weird take on that maybe that I i've seen [TS]

  University like stories being told in the universe but I'm kind of the opinion [TS]

  that the universe exists in order to tell this story and it becomes a hero [TS]

  story and while it's fun to go play in a playground I don't know is I don't know [TS]

  the value of the universe [TS]

  it is worth it like maybe there's maybe you can have another university other [TS]

  interesting stories like it seems like just because you've got is well-defined [TS]

  City University [TS]

  lead out to tell this particular story the fact that you can shoot other [TS]

  stories into it is cool but maybe not the best use of your storytelling skills [TS]

  it's not really sure it's kind of like in the Star Trek universe where like [TS]

  this story [TS]

  captain kirk and the enterprise is one story but what you're left with when [TS]

  you're done with that story are you set it aside is essentially a sci-fi a [TS]

  fleshed-out size by universe with a built-in audience and it's really just [TS]

  an excuse to make sci-fi movies like i'm looking for anything that will that will [TS]

  let sci-fi movies be made where they don't have to be constrained by world [TS]

  because everyone understands the starter interests what I mean [TS]

  TV next generation is like next generation is not Captain Kirk again [TS]

  right but it is the enterprising reverend alway over to you know the the [TS]

  more snow Voyager and stuff like that i mean saying that those are great [TS]

  examples of what you can do but the ideas once you have an established [TS]

  sci-fi universe you can do lots of interesting sci-fi things in it and I [TS]

  want to see more soap I think there's not enough of it every time someone to [TS]

  do something [TS]

  sci-fi ish there are faced with the problem of I have to describe the sci-fi [TS]

  world before I can even tell my story and 30 minutes 30 minutes establishing I [TS]

  think what you i think we need is exactly what you said guy but it led to [TS]

  the writer just concentrate on just give us a handful of really interesting [TS]

  protagonists and antagonists who have an arc and [TS]

  then you you have a world to put him in immediately but given a different you [TS]

  know just givin give us some but don't give us a new version of Vader for God's [TS]

  sake don't just you know yeah anyway it's like they call it these these sort [TS]

  of fault because they end up telling the origin story over and over again because [TS]

  they don't have a universe they have like each superheroes University up to [TS]

  his house not like we've established University we can just tell stories it's [TS]

  like well I have a new character design memo gotta tell you are in america wait [TS]

  a second who is Captain America each character is a universe is just normal [TS]

  is nothing about like Birds Star Wars University Star Trek universe have rules [TS]

  about like people get from place to place how is the system of government [TS]

  organized how do the alien race go on roughly and the beauty of Star Wars is [TS]

  that these stories the original story that's told the university so many [TS]

  things are inside out and touched on that may be interesting that are already [TS]

  there could you just want to have an entire story about you know what [TS]

  happened on or you can take that you can end it but I can do about interest or [TS]

  not both had maybe something else if you're lucky you get this to the right [TS]

  people you can end up with a new many franchise where say this I'm bounty [TS]

  hunter that uses a very charismatic actor becomes like a cross between [TS]

  Indiana Jones and Han Solo but in the Star Wars universe and they get a series [TS]

  of movies and they never know which one is going to hit the same way you never [TS]

  know which one of these disappear but there's lots of things that it touched [TS]

  upon you could say oh we tried that is a movie and the stakes are lower like well [TS]

  this is mostly going to be a Star Wars heist movie or you can make a a sort of [TS]

  like the clone wars in like a rebel Academy time movie where it's more like [TS]

  top gun in their jockeying to be the best x-wing pilot so many movies you can [TS]

  make in this universe with things that are established it can just be plain old [TS]

  science fiction space movies you can do it you could do like a protagonist [TS]

  bounty hunters a little bit more like a real bounty hunter those looking to [TS]

  bring people in a live now [TS]

  assassin you know what some of the other those guys know disintegrate who's maybe [TS]

  like high indeed the way that indeed kept losing out to block everything he [TS]

  went for Bella cut first like a guy who's you want to root for because he is [TS]

  not evil he just a bit of a road but he keeps losing out to IG 88 or something [TS]

  like that and IgD his bounty they are doing like so they have the 379 that [TS]

  they're doing right and there's also going to be stand-alone movies and just [TS]

  understanding and the stand-alone movies will feature you know one of the most [TS]

  well-known characters but that's trying starting to establish the cadence of [TS]

  like our there's there's a trilogy that are clear for these three movies that's [TS]

  going to be a main story but then we're going to have to stand alongside get [TS]

  people used to the idea and I bet you have any one of those standards like [TS]

  really catches that stand alone you know those characters that are that conflict [TS]

  or whatever else been softened its own little mini are giving you the freedom [TS]

  to try a bunch of things he was 16 without people being upset you know only [TS]

  three chances we get episode 12 in 30 11 things you may be able to be good every [TS]

  two secs after getting there was no purpose of three and that's it I'm [TS]

  actually really excited about the show and Johnson me well at least writing we [TS]

  don't know I don't think is directing eight and then he's doing [TS]

  thought but I i'm not quite sure what officials either way it's pretty cool [TS]

  yeah yeah but a lot of going to set up the conflict over the course yes I do [TS]

  think that's a strength of GM's oh he does a great setup yeah I just hope it's [TS]

  a strong because they like in the original trilogy had such a strong claim [TS]

  like an iconic villain and an iconic hero hero dad hero gets to evolve over [TS]

  the course of things but it's such a clear conflict and later a little bit of [TS]

  twisting you know your stuff in there I am your father all the stuff like that [TS]

  is such a good satisfying sturdy symbol arc and modern movies I find tend to [TS]

  over complicate things like too much too much nuance but like that [TS]

  bones are not as sturdy like there always has to be a lot of a lot of [TS]

  things in the nixon it's just our economy seems to be more about clarity [TS]

  simplicity and sturdiness of you know archetypes and he had to do it well and [TS]

  that's that's what you can hang your three movies on the start the talk-show [TS]

  research department is just beat me according to IMDB at least ryan Johnson [TS]

  has been named as the director for both episodes so that is good it's good [TS]

  because I'd like to apply now I do agree that judges said is is in a nutshell and [TS]

  I feel like we can continue on for most of the rest of the show and sort of [TS]

  compared the first trilogy versus the prequel trilogy [TS]

  in detail in broad strokes but in broad strokes the single biggest problem [TS]

  between the two [TS]

  well that's hard to say the single biggest cause there's maybe three or [TS]

  four an enormous problems but 11 of them is the simple lack of clarity over who's [TS]

  the good guys and the bad guys in the first one right before you ever see [TS]

  anything it you see the logo you hear the fan fair and it's already very [TS]

  exciting because it's a cool logo and it's really cool fan fair to start the [TS]

  theme song and then boom you get the scroll and the scroll says right at the [TS]

  beginning of the scroll there's these good guy rebels have just won their [TS]

  first victory against the evil Galactic Empire and there you've already got the [TS]

  basic gist of it you could if you're a little kid and you can even read that [TS]

  fast if you could at least get that first parent rebels win first victory [TS]

  against evil Galactic Empire just right there evil and then all of a sudden you [TS]

  miss the rest of the words and then you see a little tiny space ship being [TS]

  chased by an enormous badass looking spaceship you know exactly what's going [TS]

  on [TS]

  you've already got it good guys outgunned bad guys enormous resources [TS]

  and their says that's the whole three movies rather than the previous set up [TS]

  like the type of movie would have to be to use that time setup is like you would [TS]

  have to be kind of like this even disassembler like like like a Roman HBO [TS]

  or like you know it's not politically entry again the fall of a decade in [TS]

  Empire and that is a much more complicated story [TS]

  and you know underdog rebels vs oppressive empire you know like it's [TS]

  it's it's a different story it's like it's like turning it into a political [TS]

  thrillers like well that's not really what stores this and then failed to [TS]

  competently execute sort of geopolitical geopolitical throws don't have a lot of [TS]

  special cases in gunfights like they're all about backroom dealings and and you [TS]

  know it's like a house of cards in space like they just it's not no one involved [TS]

  in that movie was equipped to do that script in support of the characters and [TS]

  support and that's not the story 12 here we want to hear hey guys who supposedly [TS]

  was nice turn into a theater that's what we want to hear your three movies to [TS]

  tell me that and you just like actually want to tell you about the the fall the [TS]

  decadent Jedi and I'll do it really crappy job of it not interested and you [TS]

  did a petrol yeah I think its debt to levels deep or one he didn't want to [TS]

  political thriller anyway and to the political thriller that George Lucas [TS]

  wrote a maiden 0 sense whatsoever and I don't mean that in a small sent only to [TS]

  to exaggerate a little sense it just doesn't hold any water at all I can see [TS]

  the story he was going for [TS]

  because you can sort of like this if he tells you like this is his characters [TS]

  say things that are basically the text of the movie with the Ember saying stuff [TS]

  like that I can imagine a story like that as like a side story or I'd like [TS]

  maybe one of the expanding universe novels describing the fall of the [TS]

  Republic and why the republic fell but it would have to involve entirely [TS]

  different characters and it would have nothing to do with Darth Vader anything [TS]

  we cared about knowing any spiegel's I would think it's a mistake to tell the [TS]

  backstory of you most intriguing billing or anti-hero because all you can do is [TS]

  listen them like a lot of the power comes in there is a cartoon villain in [TS]

  the first movie and by the final movie you sympathize with the arc of his [TS]

  character [TS]

  yeah so that's it you're done that's that's right you wanna know you still [TS]

  wanna know how did they get to the place where he is [TS]

  New Hope pattern to suppose that person you know come and I always compared to [TS]

  the best-case scenario this is the Godfather series not counting movie 3 [TS]

  where you take Michael Corleone who is a good person [TS]

  Martin he he means well is thrust into a difficult situation and he tries to do [TS]

  the right thing in every every time his present position he tries to do what he [TS]

  thinks is the right thing for himself and his family and a series of what he [TS]

  thinks are good decisions lead him to the place where he is at the end of [TS]

  godfather to its how can how can a good person make series of moves they think [TS]

  you're right and up in a super dark place and the Godfather is a high bar [TS]

  right you know but if you want to say good goodfellas the same thing anyway [TS]

  right kind of place is being witness protection that's more like things fall [TS]

  apart [TS]

  whereas which is how do things come together and come to an end where you [TS]

  are just this you know where he's one of the top people in the Empire defense by [TS]

  the time I expect you are you know the the fist of the empire crushing [TS]

  everybody else you like this was a good person had that happen and so we speak [TS]

  at the end tried I would like to see the story of how does this good person fall [TS]

  into that because that can be a very nice like this store is kind of like [TS]

  calls it a tragedy if the downfall of a great person who you identify with his [TS]

  Thrall through the Godfather movies you feel for Michael Corleone you identify [TS]

  with him you you you feel like he's the the protagonist that he is the good just [TS]

  got to celebrate the good gonna get it takes you to the journey realizes makes [TS]

  you realise along with the movie that this has been done in a particular [TS]

  direction I would like to see that movie so I agree with you i would like to you [TS]

  know since I was a kid have always been curious about how turned to the dark [TS]

  side that that's fascinating [TS]

  but I think the degree of difficulty of telling their story in a satisfactory [TS]

  manner is so high that you run the risk of ruining the character basically if [TS]

  you pay attention to this the prequels they did so basically you have to you [TS]

  have to do it because you can't believe that you don't you don't root for him [TS]

  really Michael Corleone is a good example because you do and you [TS]

  sympathize with his decisions I mean I think clearly probably the biggest [TS]

  decision to start him here's to you know of a sudden he's not up until then on [TS]

  paper he claims he's a war hero he's you know he's college-educated you know his [TS]

  father she employed all over you have a lecture some like that you know he set [TS]

  up for a career in politics and where maybe his family isn't clean he is [TS]

  somebody could look at whatever is done and if they knew the truth they'd find [TS]

  out that you know he's a good kid from gangster family whereas once he pulls [TS]

  the hit on you know he's gotta keep it and it's motivated by love of family [TS]

  love right thing they could go too difficult to tell that story I one of [TS]

  the videos that Johnson around the US to watch for this was the last thing where [TS]

  they're trying to show some of the influences that cutting those influences [TS]

  into the video of New Hope like like George Lucas is inspired by you know [TS]

  these Kurosawa movies in westerns and Flash Gordon and he just posting those [TS]

  inputs the movie end of the month the modern example of the best Quentin [TS]

  Tarantino movies movies that he loved particular movies particularly in [TS]

  particular images that he grew up with [TS]

  kiri purposes and and remixes and filters through his own mind and [TS]

  imagination and make something greater than the whole if you want to tell the [TS]

  downfall of drugs did a story he didn't have any better ideas you can do that [TS]

  same appropriation every mixing directly from gangster movies The Godfather [TS]

  Goodfellas rainy there are so many sources for you to perform the same [TS]

  creative function of saying you can just pull that story straight out and use [TS]

  that as the bones to heroin use particular scenes in like you know there [TS]

  are there other examples of this type of story from sentiment is essentially [TS]

  tragedy even when we know the ending that makes it all the more poignant [TS]

  because the first few movies you'd really want to have a identifying with [TS]

  and rooting for and against and in the end all be all all the worst the [TS]

  audience they would feel terrible that they know what's coming [TS]

  kinda like Titanic me know that you got a build-up had the sinking be meaningful [TS]

  because now you become attached even like historical busy season and he goes [TS]

  and basically becomes a member that's it seems like a decent model for the [TS]

  takeover of the Republic of it and you know what's going to happen to get to [TS]

  that story made exactly happened to see how can I tell that story so that I care [TS]

  when it happened yet knowing that knowing me knowing the ending is [TS]

  actually a very well as a well-trodden path 44 especially I think track tragic [TS]

  fiction I mean shakespeare all the ship most of so many of Shakespeare's plays [TS]

  were not original stories they were either historical or they were these you [TS]

  know parables that had been passed down by spoken word four hundred years people [TS]

  knew the gist of them all he did was do them really really well with really [TS]

  clever dialogue and [TS]

  really crisply defined characters but the fact that people knew they were [TS]

  going emphasizes the tragedy has got thing was the bombing of the guys chair [TS]

  the character doesn't know the bomb there's that show the audience the bomb [TS]

  under the chairs of the audience knows ahead of time that is about the [TS]

  characters don't you know any good attorney if you're reading frantically [TS]

  everything and again does that brings them closer to the dark side like the [TS]

  audience knows like no and it is a bombing like this [TS]

  ample precedent for how to do this well is it wasn't done well in Munich [TS]

  couldn't be you lose the surprise and you gain tremendous tension tension at [TS]

  last whereas like and I think in that the other side of that Hitchcock parable [TS]

  you know his advice on show the audience the bomb under imported under a little [TS]

  girls seat have a little girl eating pizza popcorn you show the bomb it under [TS]

  her seat he said you know everybody's first instinct though if they're making [TS]

  a thriller is to make the Obama secret and we don't find it goes off until it [TS]

  goes off and that makes us the real audience no different than the audience [TS]

  in the theater where the Obamas and he says it's you know you can surprise the [TS]

  hell out of the audience that way but there's no there's no tension tension is [TS]

  what interesting I think that there's there's there's just no arc with Anakin [TS]

  in the in the prequel trilogy it's just annoying annoying and endearing annoying [TS]

  and then all of a sudden 45 minutes to go flip to the dark side so i dont no [TS]

  good reason I'm sure but it's like you got three movies to explain why this [TS]

  guy's going to turn and just the movie hours are ticking by and you're talking [TS]

  about the Emperor and you're talking about people running around shooting [TS]

  each other there and other things and at no point you're like so why is he going [TS]

  to suddenly turn evil because the script tells them to my god I guess and I kill [TS]

  children sure that comes right that fits perfect sense yeah I was so excited [TS]

  after the [TS]

  they should have the original teaser trailer for Phantom Menace there's one [TS]

  shot Anakin standing in everybody's cheering him the little boy and I told [TS]

  he had this weird [TS]

  my interpretation which cities just so forceful that everybody thinks is [TS]

  awesome and it basically he's zhigo's gonna end up turning into innovator and [TS]

  then it turned out it was goofy things that they could have done with that [TS]

  character and that is a simplified way to go like oh he's super powerful goes [TS]

  to his head like that's more of the Marvel Dylan type of thing where you and [TS]

  you're just like you know what i'm saying just genius everyone else on [TS]

  earth is like ants to me I should rule over them and there you know that's one [TS]

  way to go it's a little bit more cartoonish villains it is definitely not [TS]

  as sophisticated as Michael Corleone think that's what you want to promise [TS]

  new trilogy is that Vader is actually a sinking feeling sympathetic person who [TS]

  found it connects but Luke and has a you know cares for his son repent for his [TS]

  sins dies for them and you know has like that's the person that you promised and [TS]

  the crazy egomaniac it's difficult to reconcile that was a good thing you have [TS]

  to go kind of a market where it's like he did want to do the right thing and [TS]

  they tried to that it's like a whiny and annoying and and the romance angled is [TS]

  no chemistry there there's romance is a way you can kind of go bad but it's more [TS]

  like video into a crime of passion doesn't lead you to come in a rule over [TS]

  a giant Empire until the Jedi and start by slaughtering children and it's like [TS]

  well I really do my mom died so I guess now I should kill these children I [TS]

  promise I'll be able to help people stay alive like if you want people stay alive [TS]

  children [TS]

  yeah I did do some other desserts right there where they advertised as being [TS]

  incredibly powerful powerful money order [TS]

  and he doesn't do anything helpful I felt it when this sort of lost [TS]

  opportunity in the second movie when first of all I don't like any of this [TS]

  but when the same people that catches his mother and he loses it like I just [TS]

  want them to just forced to strip the city you know encampment just tearing [TS]

  apart with his my anguish time that he's super powerful then you can start point [TS]

  for child prodigy movies yes very good efficient type thing I care a chess [TS]

  genius or like you and Enders game type thing where their their child and they [TS]

  have amazing powers but they're not emotionally ready to deal with them and [TS]

  that wasn't playing up like he was just like these chimps equivalent peridot [TS]

  stupid it doesn't but he's not super powers are kinda like the marble power [TS]

  in that depending on the scene especially the prequels there there's no [TS]

  real art to the general powers and it's not clear what they're able to do or not [TS]

  able to do like where is it needs at the time and original trilogy it's like [TS]

  before us is serious and we're in pretty weak and by the time it's genuinely [TS]

  impressive whereas the prequels like sometimes removing the giant rock [TS]

  sometimes are pushing one due to a sometimes removed a salt shaker Apple [TS]

  sometimes about lightning but you can block the lightning but it's like the [TS]

  rules are all worked out where as in the original trilogy with a clear our car [TS]

  thrust three home movies they made an ARCA force powers like to peer into the [TS]

  third movie and when it does you surprised it's clearly a higher echelon [TS]

  of power and pickles that's all I thought that the other lessons that was [TS]

  very very clear in the original trilogy from all three movies but in a growing [TS]

  especially in the second to where Luke is more [TS]

  training to be a Jedi growing as a young Jedi was this this point of you if your [TS]

  gonna be a Jedi you cannot you can't touch the dark side like once you go [TS]

  it's it's all corrupted like you can't just dip your toes in the dark side [TS]

  you know once you touch it it's it's going to corrupt you know I haven't [TS]

  theory on that jonathan klein some of the time I think so I mean the response [TS]

  has been positive force and effectively doesn't the murdering everybody who's [TS]

  got four stars except for luke and I think this thing with Luke is that he [TS]

  does touch the dark side he uses force choke on a guard that's not cool know [TS]

  the generals don't we just walked into James Palace and chanclas ago he's just [TS]

  only black and he beat see defeats later by just getting really really angry ya [TS]

  BB in the crap out of him but I think I think the balance is wary when he tosses [TS]

  his leg side and decide that like no I can be uniquely can pull back from the [TS]

  dark so I'm so I'm so willing to reject the dark side that I leave myself [TS]

  defenseless [TS]

  accepted it is not entirely a creation of the prequels the tires yep that's why [TS]

  i think its BS because it's like it's like saying we need to have a balanced [TS]

  machine like you know murder and and safety we never balance beam robbery and [TS]

  having your goods be security need to have some robberies but then sometimes [TS]

  things are stolen and we'd have summer mostly not murders that we need to have [TS]

  some you know anger and hatred but not know I disagree disagree I think so I [TS]

  think if anything to Jedi Order is depicted as being emotionally detached [TS]

  and ultimately that kind of leads to their downfall but that's about it [TS]

  but I think tank said he's basing the passion and love it [TS]

  only passionately loving anybody [TS]

  depicted again this is all dependent on existing markets clear the dark side is [TS]

  using your powers for evil and I have tremendous power is an absolute power [TS]

  corrupts absolutely that's the dark side and all ideas look we're gonna give you [TS]

  these powers and can be really tempting to use his powers to essentially get [TS]

  your way and even if the way that your ways the good like the Empire you still [TS]

  should be careful because it's really easy to slip into like you know using [TS]

  your emotions to you to tell you what to do with these powers and his whole arc [TS]

  is like I'm gonna try is haunted and we're going to try to stay away from the [TS]

  dark side but you know by the second movie that you know his father had [TS]

  problems dealing with this and he's a hundred too and he really wants it to be [TS]

  better and better does terrible things and you with the audience alike pound to [TS]

  move kilmer never but in the end of talk about to die in the end of story of [TS]

  pacifism where is the only movie hero ever to embrace pacifism in the [TS]

  climactic scene he gets away with it because Vader was already completely [TS]

  corrupted as no problem killing the Emperor buddies like I would rather die [TS]

  then fall to the dark side because it's a personal victory center says I'm he's [TS]

  he's had his victory his whole victory was like can I master the force can I [TS]

  messed myself cannot give into matron everything in the end he does and that [TS]

  is his victory even he had been killed by the emperor by Vader he still would [TS]

  have won and you would have been proud of him but we still have a happy ending [TS]

  because that's his orkut not like what I had to do I had to choke the morning [TS]

  guard I had to get angry if he better you didn't have to do stuff that was his [TS]

  battle against himself when when when he's doing and they heard the sad music [TS]

  is playing not to happy music there's no there's no balance and using his anger [TS]

  to beat up on Vader that is his slow defeat the balance angle come from the [TS]

  prequel I think you have a better argument for the balance being that the [TS]

  general I have to you know sort of be more in touch with their emotions [TS]

  and not be you know it's kind of like arguing for the priests should be sold [TS]

  in the church yet from Jenna squeaky clean right he's he's gone to the dark [TS]

  side and he's come back to the bring himself like he was not trained for his [TS]

  entire life to be a part of the training it's like you know like pretty sure [TS]

  whatever you are denying our parlance because we just a few mins and [TS]

  everything you're denying a part of you gonna be sold it because you're among [TS]

  its like what's important for your spiritual I'm so on so forth but the [TS]

  number of humans who deal well being sold as is very low because it's a [TS]

  strong urge to be havin so wouldn't it be better if there was a philosophy that [TS]

  embraced everything that it means to be human and just took the good from that [TS]

  anyway nevermind to who those two also that like let's say with the Catholic [TS]

  Church where where the priests are selling it there is no argument with in [TS]

  church doctrine that what makes somebody a good priest is an inherent quality [TS]

  like genetic where the Jetta even in the in not even going to the second trilogy [TS]

  with a backwards you know we wrote in the M word but even in the first trilogy [TS]

  they say you know the force is strong with the sky walkers and stuff they even [TS]

  admit then that it's you know why in the world with the Jedi orders everybody be [TS]

  celibate if like the dress the best source for new jet I would be their [TS]

  offspring anger makes sense in this disrespecting that because priests on [TS]

  have magical powers right so these individuals have tremendous power and it [TS]

  seemed as if I had described what the whole purpose would be like look some [TS]

  percentage of people in this universe that is amazing magical power that is [TS]

  like super dangerous who we need to get these kids young and we need to tamp [TS]

  down some aspects of human nature essentially we need to get the [TS]

  temperature under control [TS]

  we need to make it because it's very easy gift you give like a five-year-old [TS]

  you know the ability to use the Force and learned you know but I'm there [TS]

  thirteen year olds they will have built up in an amazing abilities as far as I [TS]

  know they'll be very destructive like we need to act in the balanced against the [TS]

  the the worst part of human nature because if we don't we're gonna have a [TS]

  bunch of these people running around with the power would corrupt that they [TS]

  may have to have been good people who need to get there early and what we need [TS]

  to do is give them more of a monk type mindset because if we don't have a bunch [TS]

  of hot head teenagers around the superpowers and that is a really bad [TS]

  formula for for peace and so there is some I could I come from the [TS]

  justification for why it's really important to find for sensitive kids [TS]

  young get them into the program and teach them to maybe they took it too far [TS]

  by total detachment in celibacy or whatever like that i think is too far [TS]

  but have them in a program that lets them deal with their emotions and [TS]

  understand that they have you know with great power comes responsibility to [TS]

  ensure that they have to deal with that in a certain way so make some sense that [TS]

  the program for Jenny would be like she'll like otherwise you can you can [TS]

  you imagine teenagers with the force it would be bad scene let's take a break [TS]

  and we'll come back to them and come back to this question of the Jedi Order [TS]

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  those things big picture big picture Star Wars 2 double trilogy the thing [TS]

  that has always stood out to me even I thought even with the original trilogy [TS]

  by the time we got to return of the Jedi that Lucas didn't really have all the [TS]

  shit worked out at the beginning i mean that even by a long shot but then with [TS]

  the second trilogy just just reeks to high hell of stuff that he made up on [TS]

  the fly like almost everything in the prequel trilogy to me shows in it and [TS]

  almost Rex the stuff in the original trilogy so I think it was great I think [TS]

  it worked really well when you doing struggles you can just say stuff as [TS]

  throwaway lines and people can fill in the background because it's not [TS]

  particularly pertinent to the tale of destroying the desperate and Empire kind [TS]

  of builds on that a little bit because there was there was a flimsy enough so [TS]

  that she'll before it could build into it [TS]

  return the Jetta it just kind of understand [TS]

  what's going on so much but the prequel trilogy makes no sense at all I don't [TS]

  understand the Jetta order this it seems like the most effective what I don't get [TS]

  it I don't understand the rationale for that all that can be legitimate threat [TS]

  to a to a Jedi Order of thousands of work is it took them out but not sure [TS]

  it's explained in the span University having read but it makes sense to me [TS]

  that kind of an organization where like might makes right if you are mighty [TS]

  enough there is no reason to have a bunch of henchmen hang around and so if [TS]

  these settle kill each other into his line 222 left I mean I didn't listen to [TS]

  the talk show with missus yet but the title these are really do you can have [TS]

  an apprentice then it's like a wolf pack [TS]

  eventually the lead both gets old and some other wolf challenges into fighting [TS]

  winds and then then he's been that type of model where the strongest survive and [TS]

  thus if tradition you can hang a lot of Southern tradition because jurors like [TS]

  the way it's always been done like the biggest the biggest bad as the big bad [TS]

  but you gotta have someone who's an apprentice because eventually you're [TS]

  gonna get old and die or get defeated him any time to replace it we'd rather [TS]

  have happened if you train some guy i fundamentally it's true to you and it's [TS]

  kind of like that's an honorable way for you to go out and he keeps it going and [TS]

  so it's not entirely crazy system ok fair enough but you know two games to [TS]

  interject also the way the generators of sits next to the republican government [TS]

  that that's exactly what i think is a huge mistake I felt like being in exile [TS]

  make some sense where where you know because of the empire Yoda and Obi one [TS]

  or both [TS]

  but I thought that the way that the Jedi were set up in in the first trilogy was [TS]

  that they not that they were hiding but that they they weren't centralized there [TS]

  was an error like nights yes sandra is exactly what I'm doing where there's not [TS]

  like one central like samurai headquarters were all the samurai come [TS]

  out there's there's tradition and there's a code clearly there's a code [TS]

  and the training might be regularize you know there's a systematic training to [TS]

  become a new one but then once you do you're also the lone wolves you know and [TS]

  there you know I don't really get a good government of the Republic essentially [TS]

  like they were you know they would be the sort of benevolent enforcement I [TS]

  think you could make again you can make an interesting sort of geopolitical [TS]

  thriller about it is weird system of government you know where they have a [TS]

  kind of weird Jedi Order with these magic people at an uneasy truce with the [TS]

  democratically elected non magic people like that could work out the different [TS]

  kind of movie and you can see how government could get into a really weird [TS]

  shape especially if there's legitimate magic running around like well who [TS]

  should run the show should be those magic people should be like vote for [TS]

  people that were voting for a queen inches of teenager in like this all [TS]

  sorts of the government ends up in all sorts of weird distorted shapes [TS]

  unwilling to to believe any weird galactic government shape could work out [TS]

  but if you move is going to be about that then that's what your movies about [TS]

  us about like how do we reconcile this thing and what if the match people don't [TS]

  go crazy and what if the political people start to become a correct what [TS]

  are the checks and balances here and how do empires fall and so on and so forth [TS]

  now the story I was interested in hearing about better an addict in but [TS]

  that's a story you know right from the start in the Phantom Menace where you [TS]

  first thing we see is quite on in his you know padovano be one [TS]

  you know being sent by the Chancellor to do some could you know fix a trade [TS]

  dispute or whatever it is dead just didn't seem to me what the jet over [TS]

  about it didn't seem to me like the jet over people who did the bidding of the [TS]

  government cops like night serve the king right yeah I like samurai serve [TS]

  their their fuel master well I do that I think they were grown and i think is the [TS]

  right word I thought I always imagined the Jetta is as a sort of Ronan you know [TS]

  that they didn't serve a master they serve the force was the master and like [TS]

  a natural sense of just truth and justice that would make sense that I [TS]

  mean and then you don't have counsel at all the day you have basically a [TS]

  government you could still do the government angle they really into that [TS]

  was like what you've got through public but what's the deal with these yet I [TS]

  don't serve any master that are super powerful that are running around we just [TS]

  lost a trust that they're gonna be like benevolent or whatever you can only goes [TS]

  like Marilyn serving King Arthur it's like well there's not that many of these [TS]

  guys but they are running around [TS]

  and we would like to have one in house but the other ones out there how do you [TS]

  deal with it said you deal with people who can who are not not constrained by [TS]

  any government and have powers that you don't understand it but that are really [TS]

  powerful and then you can have something like that we're maybe 11 or so very [TS]

  small handful of the Jedi could volunteer to be the handful of one to [TS]

  serve the the chancellor of the senate or something like that but not the whole [TS]

  order I feel like I did you know they would they were like a sort of quasi [TS]

  independent police force which I thought was just way off for the tone and they [TS]

  did was they bring in the whole Yuengling like this because of [TS]

  everything i mean that that the present for that was said in the movie when the [TS]

  shows up and databases like he's too old yes too old to be in the training as I [TS]

  well remember when I watch a movie like to oldies like he's just just barely an [TS]

  adult like it's it's the perfect time to that's like when you would go into the [TS]

  army or between to order but the that comment from you and the prequels make [TS]

  clear that the whole idea was like a get them when they're young getting like [TS]

  pull them away from their parents to get their toddlers bring him in here and [TS]

  then again my explanation for that in my head can it's like well you really need [TS]

  to get them when they're young because if you left to their own devices you [TS]

  have a serious problem so that the whole order and system is like that seems like [TS]

  it would be the most important function of the Jedi Order would be finding these [TS]

  people and bring them into our and training them as they could disperse [TS]

  after they don't have to remain become a general counsel sit around and surface [TS]

  certainly makes pronouncements you don't need to do that but once you've [TS]

  established that very young kids get the force early and the Yoda said that we [TS]

  need you need to be trained for me very young age I think you it's reasonable to [TS]

  stick with that and say we've got to be there's got to be like a school like [TS]

  zebras to school for gifted you know same thing with the x-men like if you [TS]

  don't get them into Xavier School they might end up falling Magneto [TS]

  even even with just the original trilogy even not even going to the prequel [TS]

  trilogy I always thought that Yoda's protestations in that scene he was just [TS]

  playing hard to get to make loop work that no intention a minute because even [TS]

  in even from what we only know from the original trilogy we know that been lived [TS]

  near Luke his entire life and that he'd sort of how do you know they'd met each [TS]

  other before he knew his bed and you know they'd met each other before wasn't [TS]

  the first time they met when when he rescued him from the same people so [TS]

  obi-wan Kenobi clearly purposefully first twenty years of his life never [TS]

  even mentioned the forced to him not even like it is like telling stories [TS]

  like gluten even know what a lightsaber yeah they have a timing problem with the [TS]

  prequels to of this like you to tell me that these days I were around but then [TS]

  within one generation they're so forgotten that exist like and Luke [TS]

  doesn't know it'll 80 as if every kid in our world where the Jedi are fictional [TS]

  nose with a lightsaber is how in the world does in every kid nat gas like [TS]

  even invaded killed them all before just before you were born you still didn't [TS]

  know about it [TS]

  carded in the same way that in the same way that we all know who the samurai [TS]

  where the timing wise that's a problem but about one when you see all the [TS]

  reasons set out to me because because he seems to be the perfect age and the fact [TS]

  that you're will pull out the two old and that you know soon be ridiculous [TS]

  like well it would say like he's too short like it would be the same time we [TS]

  need to show he's like average height for person seems fine maybe just have to [TS]

  be super short right so when he said he's too old he wouldn't pull that out [TS]

  and yes he didn't wanna train was trying to back out or whatever but why put [TS]

  something so preposterous and the answer is it's not preposterous that I actually [TS]

  are trained from a super young age and don't usually get in by the time they're [TS]

  they're practically an adult by then they're there to set in their ways it [TS]

  doesn't make much sense in the country because they can buy all rationale [TS]

  warning them young is like they should be feeling the force when they're very [TS]

  young and by the time they get that all they'll just be like totally reckless [TS]

  forces resolute has no idea that even [TS]

  until 10 so let's just do things are a don't believe for a second did your dad [TS]

  did not intend to train look he's just saying that he wants to see what I look [TS]

  reacts that's why he's testing him know that he doesn't whatcha gonna do not [TS]

  train lieutenant you select let the Galaxy go on being the way it is no but [TS]

  he didn't like it out of the game is on database hanging around is looking at [TS]

  the animals in the lizard to stop checked out just he trained was at best [TS]

  a protestation I kinda wanna get out of bed and is Luke doesn't believe he can [TS]

  lift the X-wing and that goes to him being 20 because he's got an experienced [TS]

  and it's got like he he understands how heavy the other hand like yeah I'm sure [TS]

  you did not fail you can't you don't believe in this stuff and when the [TS]

  little kid is no problem you know you're older it's harder because the other [TS]

  angle for him being too old I think it's the least problems with the boys [TS]

  reckless yeah just it should be public [TS]

  hundred years yeah it should not have been only fifteen years old and then [TS]

  baghdad don't say that while they do say before the Empire you could have had a [TS]

  benevolent Empire clarence but you don't know how old is he could have long [TS]

  lifespans are in this university and he's a Jedi Yoda super old too [TS]

  there are many outs like the chronology made sense when you just had the [TS]

  original trilogy but when you when you connect it up in the way they did then [TS]

  you're like than you think it's far away and stop it seriously man like you get [TS]

  TV tells voters in each of the last practitioner to ancient you know twenty [TS]

  years and a day when you have a computer system that old [TS]

  I always see I always just had the vague sense just as a rock analogy and whether [TS]

  it actually worked out but that lets say like in that scene on the Death Star [TS]

  with the guys saying you know the last practitioner that they that at least the [TS]

  age of the empire and the age when the Jedi word either a dominant force [TS]

  missing or reduced to just a handful hidden around the galaxy was around the [TS]

  length of those men ages they back I was born in a world where the Jedi were [TS]

  already decimated you know like 35 40 years you know because if it wasn't you [TS]

  know it's sorta like for what people like us like the world without TV like [TS]

  we know that there was a world without TV we believe in a world without TV but [TS]

  we don't we haven't experienced it which makes it because it predates our life [TS]

  you know it seems freedom black-and-white TV black-and-white TV [TS]

  seems ancient to me it's intellectually fattened kind of physically just can't [TS]

  really picture it right whereas if I was maybe ten years older than black and [TS]

  white TV would seem like something from a child you can go to explain the [TS]

  chronology is the backwater thing where ya these things around but information [TS]

  is not evenly distributed and so if you are really far away from all the action [TS]

  and some remote planted [TS]

  you're not interested in the history of the republic or any sort of government [TS]

  or anything like that and maybe just you know like the general story that we [TS]

  heard some stories demands not too far away [TS]

  a war with them and we know about Japanese stuff in their culture came [TS]

  over here how much culture about maybe they didn't get any older brother John [TS]

  it still doesn't Johnson down the street he's purposely not mentioning it maybe [TS]

  that's part of his strategy of keeping an eye on that put him in a backwater [TS]

  where they've never even heard of the Jedi you can kind of explain it but once [TS]

  you get like Han Solo is Jen over the galaxy and he's like never seen anything [TS]

  that made me think before you never seen anything like it seemed like movies of [TS]

  July thing yeah and then in the new trilogy and then again he's supposedly [TS]

  super super powerful PC Anakin as a kid doing some things that would require the [TS]

  force you know that if just because the jet are decimated doesn't mean that [TS]

  human beings who have forced related powers [TS]

  you know that you wouldn't run into him with what we can only assume to be the [TS]

  wide variety of action that Han Solo is seen you know here to porn is is well I [TS]

  mean and it's all things like he's good reflexes he's the only human who can [TS]

  Padres you could just be a child proud of you have amazing reflexes you don't [TS]

  necessarily have to he's not he's not moving salt shakers has migrated I just [TS]

  that I just think that if a seven-year-old is showing those [TS]

  capabilities that Han Solo would have seen something cheated dice you no doubt [TS]

  I mean I'm the fact that it works in the context of the region attack on the [TS]

  prequels with that time line between them and all of a sudden it just doesn't [TS]

  read is this true [TS]

  you have to be willfully stupid so I want to touch on some of the right [TS]

  things that to me just clearly showed that it wasn't thought out in advance [TS]

  and I'm going to say this before do that so many writing complaints that we can [TS]

  do and should do and I think it's fundamental to prequels emptiness [TS]

  I'll say though I'll forgive Lucas for the those exposition of problems like [TS]

  like Luke not knowing what a lightsaber is of the forces I'll forgive those [TS]

  completely because of the need to explain to us the audience what those [TS]

  things are and yes it was a little clumsy if you try to you know if you [TS]

  really think about it thanks a little clumsy but you know it's in hindsight [TS]

  overall it was a good scene I remember you know very finely looking back on [TS]

  that scene in OB one's house where he gets the lightsaber and turns it on [TS]

  fears about the Jedi in the photo is perfectly acceptable at the prequel to [TS]

  exist as perfect as he he really wouldn't have known as a farm boy how [TS]

  would you know about the farmer shows up the old man the old man chosen something [TS]

  ancient thing is it's it's it's it's a device that you get someone who is naive [TS]

  and you have the wiser person explained to them and you really works perfectly [TS]

  in the context of that story I think it would be a little bit more elegant if it [TS]

  was a little bit more and I hate to say it but a little bit more like the scene [TS]

  in the Phantom Menace we're young Anakin asked if his agenda I could seize you [TS]

  know he sees his laser sword he doesn't even know the name lightsaber but even [TS]

  if you just said you know just expressed some sort of I've heard of lightsabers [TS]

  but never believed I'd see what you don't want to know about to be complete [TS]

  me if I because he's got his art is he's a farm boy who dream something more and [TS]

  is waterworld opens up to him so I'm perfectly happy with him not knowing at [TS]

  all I'm explanation as delivered by Alec Guinness but so laid back and not going [TS]

  to let a detail not mentioning declaring its like two or three sentences invade [TS]

  it's the type of exploration you would get if these guys like I've decided that [TS]

  I'm gonna bring on board this thing but I can't explain it all to you and give [TS]

  you the broad strokes and move on to the next right and it's well you know Luke [TS]

  is are you know he's there for us we see yes we we see that whole thing through [TS]

  Luke size and up until that point the movie [TS]

  you know it's actually it's not like this hybrid fantasy science fiction [TS]

  combo it's more just science fiction it's just spaceships and laser guns and [TS]

  then all of a sudden in that scene where weird explained that it's also a little [TS]

  magic and then movie a new hope is not force him lightsabers force general I [TS]

  guess players got my excuse to have a sword fight but like really look like to [TS]

  my I think it's only the my tree that is that his magic you didn't even do the [TS]

  force moves like Luke Luke dreams about is being a pilot like he wanted to fly a [TS]

  spaceship and he's interested in the rebellion you know about the rebellion [TS]

  he's totally understand their billions of liberal basically like he just wants [TS]

  a big sis friend has gone off during the rebellion and he's totally into flying [TS]

  things and be like he's he's a young punk who you know once they get off this [TS]

  thing can rock and do great things and none of that has anything to do with the [TS]

  four swords are stored finding a moving things your mind is totally the second [TS]

  movie gets him into that first movie he's just like you know it's coming of [TS]

  age story I'm going off to the war and even though he does a little bit of for [TS]

  stuff like iran says taking the first step into a larger world he has but that [TS]

  larger world is not yet interest him he doesn't realize the importance of it [TS]

  until more or less he sees obi-wan disappear in a puff of smoke in and [TS]

  starts talking to him through his you know his mind is like something to piss [TS]

  poor thing and that aspect of it I do think was loosely plotted out by Lucas [TS]

  we're here in this first movie the forces really just for Vader and obi-wan [TS]

  and Luke gets a taste of it [TS]

  few drops on his tongue you know and it helps it helps to have final victory in [TS]

  the movie like it appalling skills are not enough and he has to you know the [TS]

  whole big takeaway from and that's what has he done he's barely scratched the [TS]

  surface of like he didn't find anyone like that for the whole movie right he [TS]

  got shot in the butt a little floating ball but in the end of the movie [TS]

  resonated so much the forced others like this in turn off your targeting computer [TS]

  but like you know that the things they're inside you [TS]

  your emotions and feelings and thoughts are that feels so powerful inside you [TS]

  can actually have next time on a manifestation of that power and they [TS]

  will lead you to victory and it will be a good victory in a blah but no one else [TS]

  could have made that shot and I think and I know this is maybe controversial I [TS]

  think John you and i talked about this I think that when Lucas Road Star Wars or [TS]

  Star Wars a new hope and I think he thought if this is a hit and I get to [TS]

  make the rest of the trilogy you know that was the whole day gotta make this [TS]

  first one and if it's successful he said that they can write and finished in a [TS]

  planned trilogy I think he wrote it with the idea that Luke was going to be the [TS]

  guy who gets the girl I think so yeah it's reasonable and the first movie [TS]

  completely supports that right I don't think there was any plan at all for [TS]

  Leyna to be his sister did plan on Vader beings father I mean there's a whole [TS]

  thing where voters I think the German word for father I think that might have [TS]

  been there although I'm still not even convinced them that because when OB one [TS]

  tells him that later he was killed by Vader it plays well in hindsight but I [TS]

  can't help but think that from what we know of Lucas overall the keys if that's [TS]

  what he thought overall he would have overplayed it and it would have been [TS]

  like he killed her father so I just as it happens I just my scene just before [TS]

  coming on this podcast and this too is you can take it one way if you look at [TS]

  it with hindsight it is acted perfectly to be like [TS]

  he's thinking of like what he's gonna say you know how you gonna say as he [TS]

  knows gonna lie right there in hindsight it can look like it the other way that [TS]

  the same performance from Alec Guinness can look is you don't tell kids what [TS]

  happened to his father especially inspired died while I gotta tell you [TS]

  that you know he was killed by Darth Vader and it's unpleasant and the same [TS]

  performance really like either one of those things reads on it perfectly [TS]

  obvious with hindsight I go to event permits but it could also just as easily [TS]

  be a little kid is asking about his father and I know this father was killed [TS]

  he didn't he didn't die peacefully in his sleep he was killed by Darth Vader [TS]

  does the bad guy leading people who are you know like everything always well I [TS]

  don't know if Lucas told Alec Guinness by the way when Lucas about what [TS]

  happened to his father you going to be essentially line even if I can tell you [TS]

  what did happen just follow what you gonna tell the truth I get the feeling [TS]

  that Lucas meter reader being his father in the second one and I get the feeling [TS]

  did he just went back in so many things and jet fuel that he just went back to [TS]

  the well he made another Dexter that even as a kid but it kind of makes it [TS]

  nice circle like I do hope when 3G is going to the oil bath then I forgot [TS]

  talking to or whatever it is like you know I'm just the protocol droid and not [TS]

  very good at telling stories like it at throwaway lines like that they get paid [TS]

  off to movies later I guess I could but I do think that he he [TS]

  into being the Skywalker family in general because I think he felt that he [TS]

  needed to reveal that was akin to the one in empire but he but he did an [TS]

  empire is that no there is another so he's gotta pay off the is there is [TS]

  another I'm glad you didn't leave that dangling the fact that the another [TS]

  mostly material as they build on that episode 7 days mostly nurtures like [TS]

  basically says another which means they like best let's there to let you know [TS]

  that Lucas easily die an empire and became pretty darn close to dying like [TS]

  to make you think guess what guys I'm going to call me character because there [TS]

  is another right and just so happens it turns out that he lives and in general [TS]

  we find out who the other is but it's mostly inconsequential because hey Lucas [TS]

  alive [TS]

  look again at died a Jedi than the other would-be we would be hanging around on [TS]

  for the future will be the consequence is that it makes go ballistic and yeah I [TS]

  mean it was working to the movie just talked about making it up as you go [TS]

  along I'm I'm willing to believe that like having major turn out to be a [TS]

  father [TS]

  find that works but how many surprise familiar relationships are you allowed [TS]

  in a trilogy guess what another main characters also related to you [TS]

  everybody related to me yeah it could have been it didn't have to be a sister [TS]

  could have just been that later was the other one [TS]

  latent untapped force me to meet 3 p.m. Hamas ridiculous and that's exactly what [TS]

  he does he does like the Vulcan mind chat with leslie has escaped investment [TS]

  yeah I know who the other is and how they relate that communication with each [TS]

  other as you there they related for the both guys are both would be semi Plaza [TS]

  because plenty of movies you like I just feel that my non magical movies like I [TS]

  have something somehow my brother is in a terrible car and you know people [TS]

  totally buy into it specially trained and we have established telepathic link [TS]

  between people in one of them is dead man is in his ear like I guess you see [TS]

  and I think if you look member the original posters and it's even the Star [TS]

  Wars logo is a little different and maybe even a lot different still got [TS]

  like the connected letters but it's like in a different almost like a pyramid [TS]

  shape [TS]

  and it's like there's a lot more stylized it doesn't I don't know that [TS]

  any of the characters quite look like likenesses that the actual actors but [TS]

  Luke is holding his lightsaber above his head and chest to get a big test coming [TS]

  out of his leg it to me that that poster gets authorised because it's a tale of [TS]

  this boy from a farm which is what it ended up being who goes on this grand [TS]

  adventure and gets the girl he rescues the princess he rescues across the [TS]

  canyon on a rope to get there like it should give him a kiss for that for luck [TS]

  and then there's the famous kiss in on haha in your doing actual romance and [TS]

  gentle it's like Disney movie has like Belkis the BC there is no kissing on the [TS]

  lips it's just like all kind of understood that Lucas save the princess [TS]

  nothing is nothing is sexual though as that poster because that was the movie [TS]

  palaces like you have to promise even if there's no actual sex movie at the [TS]

  promise is going to be God is going to be a girl and the girls gonna be [TS]

  submissive Princesa wraps herself around here as leg and hear his chest is gonna [TS]

  be gigantic and Mark Hamill stressed out of his white tunic you know it's I'm [TS]

  looking at it now and if I'm correct and Han Han and Chewie I don't think or even [TS]

  in it it's you know there's a big Vader behind them but it's Luke and Leia and [TS]

  the Droid yeah and it's a good call what they like if you if your gonna call an [TS]

  audible it's a good call it an empire so greatest because after the first movie [TS]

  you've got you know the child fairy tale we're gonna save the princess gets its [TS]

  way across the canyon with their they'll get medals at the end legs in a special [TS]

  smile during the medal ceremony it's appropriate for like prepubescent boys [TS]

  who understand the concept of giving the girls whatever but once you're about to [TS]

  make the second movie you say you know what you know later actually the [TS]

  bickering led [TS]

  a better indication of a budding romantic relationship than anything that [TS]

  happened between legs and look at that is a much more interesting relationship [TS]

  so why don't we go in that direction and they did it was smart and sister to do [TS]

  that because that that is the actual relationship with chemistry between [TS]

  lukin well I don't know about at the time I was very young but you can tell [TS]

  when when she kisses Luke that it's basically just to get on very little to [TS]

  do with getting ready to handle put his hands behind his head gone off a girl [TS]

  kissed me it's like it's hot as you know yet but he did not look as far as we [TS]

  know that hasn't even had a girlfriend here where it's not you know worldly [TS]

  wise and like he's he's not even upset with lucrative thing is like she wants [TS]

  it basically he's resigned as she won that argument to do with the two of them [TS]

  and that's that's exactly that's what he does not have any part of empire overlay [TS]

  for thinking about her friend like when he's having his transit Sunday nobody's [TS]

  like Olay like in terms of his friends is gonna save on legs got to go save his [TS]

  friends he's not he's not hung up on led all speaking about the sort of being [TS]

  part of a vampire [TS]

  what I loved you know we decided we could do this said of course I want them [TS]

  all over again [TS]

  destroy your hand in in in the first one ends with him basically turning out in [TS]

  saving the day helping to exceed the day and then we come immediately into Empire [TS]

  Strikes Back and we keep building on that as soon as he finds out the Lucas [TS]

  out in the cold [TS]

  he's willing to die to go get him make the character progression starts exactly [TS]

  where it ended like minded already decided it like know he's only and he's [TS]

  committed to saving that these people are as friends and he's going to go help [TS]

  them and also we don't know we don't need to repeat the arc immediately is [TS]

  jumping on his see people in his continuation of the arc of a chase [TS]

  because he's got a price on his head but he did but we don't see him being that [TS]

  the scandal to his friends anymore he goes out for Luke and when the detective [TS]

  base he immediately goes to get later and try to get out it's the first time [TS]

  removed because the end of a new hope and the beginning of time during which [TS]

  there is more like they've been together so now they're essentially not just [TS]

  friends but warm bodies [TS]

  hijinks and it does that to me is that the brilliant that's like Star Wars at [TS]

  its best is the Lord Mandelson story where it's just they just mentioned it a [TS]

  cool sounding name you know something happen you know they're just in in the [TS]

  in the quickest way possible simply through dialogue they just imply [TS]

  feels genuine that they've been through some shit in between the two movies in [TS]

  mind you the bounty hunters exists in the universe which comes in later and I [TS]

  think I can't I could do a whole show just because I think Empire I think [TS]

  empires what holds the whole thing together I think Star Wars was clearly [TS]

  was a huge sensation the biggest pop cultural you know the whole series [TS]

  nothing is ever top that [TS]

  but the one that makes it something that we keep hoping for when trend house has [TS]

  there been a sequel is as good or better than the other godfather to think about [TS]

  maybe aliens but here is the thing about Star Wars Empire empire took it to [TS]

  another level like it's not just because the Godfather 1952 are at the same level [TS]

  they're both the same kind of adults they're serious they're they're they're [TS]

  aiming for the same type of things in the past 52 was just as good in some [TS]

  people might say better [TS]

  Star Wars a new hope it's like kind of more of a kids movie again with the [TS]

  romance is not real romances very simplified it's very sort of fairy tale [TS]

  you know is it a drag along with the kids at Empire is like action we're [TS]

  going to take this even more serious and not in a everything is greedy you know [TS]

  Tim Burton's Batman Dark Knight Batman Begins like everything's gonna be dark [TS]

  and gritty river just say we're gonna have a real emotional stakes could have [TS]

  relationships between adults did you read as true to adults rights and kids [TS]

  will take up on the fact that the relationship between is a more [TS]

  legitimate [TS]

  adult relationship than anything that took place in New Hope and that's why [TS]

  it's taking it to the next level i love u observation and then to get [TS]

  interrupted but when they end up and include city and she's directed their [TS]

  discreet hookup on its kind of thought of it before but you had the observation [TS]

  that excluded slept good about that just like there's so much more relaxed around [TS]

  each other in the release of tension yeah yeah [TS]

  they relate to each other is that finally will they won't they [TS]

  the answer was that they will and they did and now they can relate to each [TS]

  other directly without their so guarded with each other before kind of like you [TS]

  know they're trying to guard themselves but not reveal too much of themselves [TS]

  but show that they want to get together and they go in and eventually that [TS]

  settled down and they can finally relate to each other directly without the [TS]

  artifice like and it happens it happens on camera and all you see is like that [TS]

  just a familiarity in like that he's still teasing each other but it did so [TS]

  much there's less tension going on you know up until then nothing that they've [TS]

  said to each other is actually would either one is actually feeling exactly [TS]

  except maybe oh you do have a few moments not many but you do have them [TS]

  yea yea again together where they believe that both me and Mr and as often [TS]

  happens at the same time yet but on the whole take up until then as I can take [TS]

  you would leave you and which isn't true is obsessed and hurt angle is I'm not [TS]

  interested in you at all which is not true she's interested even know she [TS]

  knows she shouldn't be like if there's a line that that is honest it's her I like [TS]

  nice man but that that brings us to to me what was the great thing about Empire [TS]

  was it seemed as though George Lucas recognized his weaknesses and recognized [TS]

  everything that would could have been improved in the first one and then did [TS]

  they either took action to rectify it or or delegated so for examples tilted [TS]

  character dialogue guess what George Lucas very creative in making stories [TS]

  create brilliant seriously brilliant world builder probably I would argue the [TS]

  most brilliant cinematic world builder we've ever seen like you can argue that [TS]

  the Lord of the Rings is more fully realized but that's a novel is that it's [TS]

  not cinema you know as a purely cinematic world would say he's imperiled [TS]

  guess what he can't write dialogue was the Harrison Ford line george you can't [TS]

  say you can't say it so he brings in two great screen writers Larry Kasdan who [TS]

  guessed yet did Raiders came first [TS]

  did great work on readers which is a fantastic story and has fantastic [TS]

  dialogue and a fantastic relationship between Harrison Ford and Marian Rivera [TS]

  Kansas again [TS]

  well and talk a legend Leigh Brackett who wrote stuff for humphrey bogart and [TS]

  yeah from the forties as forties or which is great and that's what you know [TS]

  now that I'm older obviously in 1981 when it came out I had not seen The [TS]

  Maltese Falcon you know I thought black-and-white movies you know old [TS]

  people but now that I have like a richer vocabulary see movies like that that's [TS]

  what the Empire Strikes Back crackles with Jose through most of that script [TS]

  though like in the spirit of it still buys it like a big empire making a [TS]

  vampire book by [TS]

  vampire book by [TS]

  her something bad that the big Jack coffee-table book while making a number [TS]

  of great I recommend everybody reading that made me feel like that Lucas pick [TS]

  these people were amazingly talented workers who are you are new or you know [TS]

  like a pic to pick people whose work he admired and then when they set about [TS]

  doing things either he was disengage from it or if he was engaged the feeling [TS]

  I got from him is like guys doesn't have to be that good like that he would be [TS]

  fine with that they were they want to make it the best it can possibly be and [TS]

  if it up to him he black you just go home what you've got is fine like for [TS]

  today yet that's fine whereas the people actually involved in making the movie [TS]

  were just like we're gonna make this as good as we can possibly make it and they [TS]

  were arguing with each other but everything right down to the actors and [TS]

  Harrison Ford argue about Hans motivations of what he would say in the [TS]

  scene of like very collaborative very contentious aggressive filmmaking on the [TS]

  part of actually making the movie and it looks like it's just that it's a kids [TS]

  movie guys just chill like you don't like it was more involved he would not [TS]

  have been pressing people too and we see what happens when he didn't have the [TS]

  same of everything involves like what he cared about deeply was like the design [TS]

  of the ships and the computer graphics and stuff like that and when he cared [TS]

  less about was like dialogue story acting performances you know of that [TS]

  type of stuff to anyway [TS]

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  the long goodbye from 1973 that was robert altman movie but to make a philip [TS]

  marlowe detective story set in the seventies starring what's his name the [TS]

  guy from Ola gold from young kids on them from oceans 11 like I seventies [TS]

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  great movie and The Big Sleep from 1946 with Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall [TS]

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  like with iPhones I used to look like you had asked screen under the glass and [TS]

  then when they first started using the screen closer to the touch you know to [TS]

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  makes fractures in his arrogance thanks man as well as a nice idea yeah that's [TS]

  only useful if you come out with a new a barrier like Marco and sell the old one [TS]

  but it's a good idea I like it is going to hurt other people say that Empire we [TS]

  could go on and on about empire but it's there's almost no wasted exposition [TS]

  you're just like you said you're thrust back in this world it feels like yes [TS]

  some stuff is going on but the characters are on this exact same mark [TS]

  that they were before I always use this word to me it epitomizes the sense of [TS]

  comradery between the heroes of the original trilogy it's this palpable [TS]

  sense of camaraderie which i think is so hard to capture in movies I feel like TV [TS]

  shows do a better job of it because can do a better job of it because they have [TS]

  so much more time right if you watch Mad Men for six seasons there's a [TS]

  camaraderie between Roger and done because they've been through so much [TS]

  together because we've seen them through I don't know a hundred and forty hours [TS]

  of television whereas for Star Wars to have gotten to this palpable sense of [TS]

  camaraderie between these characters that you truly believe it after just you [TS]

  know two hours and 15 minutes of of them so far when honda says you know they say [TS]

  you're never going to survive the main you as well then I'll see you in hell [TS]

  you just believe it I believed it as a kid I'd still it chokes me up I get a [TS]

  lump in my throat when I when he does that when I want you to feel to me like [TS]

  it's the it's not just [TS]

  serving the story it's that's what this guy would of course he's going of course [TS]

  what else is unity and the way bill that camaraderie is you have to have the [TS]

  people the ensemble cast you have to have them not sort of come together and [TS]

  just be friends from the beginning of the you need to have them be like at [TS]

  odds over certain things and have them but heads about those things and come to [TS]

  some entries all those things but come to an understanding about those things [TS]

  whatever things they disagree on I'm totally into the forest think it's great [TS]

  you think it's hokey and with the rebellion you're not so sure about it [TS]

  you know I'm hot I'm more calm like whatever think whatever personality [TS]

  traits that you know don't mesh you have to show them clashing and you have to [TS]

  show that they threw things become more important they they come to an [TS]

  understanding about those differences in become friends and have them that go [TS]

  through things like Johnson by men men you had to have them go through the [TS]

  moment where they succeed in business [TS]

  failing to score was one person is vulnerable because he's drunk and says [TS]

  something the other person to have one or two true moments between people and [TS]

  have like are you can even on a TV series you could have a misunderstanding [TS]

  your betrayal that eventually you know they they figure out how to work out [TS]

  like you have so much more time to have those things but in stars of the [TS]

  ensemble cast in the first movie you throw these guys together didn't know [TS]

  what to make of each other day probably never seen anybody like each other and [TS]

  it's only characters in the next and that you know that obi-wan is there and [TS]

  honest just you know gonna do a job that you know kind of steel city's people in [TS]

  the old guys weird he dies in the book there when the old guy dies like you [TS]

  have to have that I think the promise lot of ensemble movies the more modern [TS]

  ones is your throat again this group of attractive personable well-adjusted [TS]

  smart witty people and they just kind of walk parallel to each other side by side [TS]

  through the plot and that does not build camaraderie yes icon it's very clear I [TS]

  cause I just watched a new hope [TS]

  recently and [TS]

  it's very clear how and when he first meets them he just doesn't even believe [TS]

  him he doesn't believe he doesn't know what the hell kind trouble there but he [TS]

  it just is is cynical self things whatever problem whatever it is they [TS]

  want me to take them to all around for its no big deal they're telling me it's [TS]

  the Empire I've trust me I've seen trouble with the Empire this is bullshit [TS]

  he doesn't believe I'm going until the 22 starters yeah actually they mentioned [TS]

  in the cantina all he's thinking about is ripping them off and vastly over [TS]

  charging that the incumbent upset about Empire so on is doing the thing where [TS]

  he's talking to them and negotiate the price and Lucas being a good negotiator [TS]

  and obi-wan stranded you know to calm down market outright they both leave the [TS]

  table what you're left with a nap I think at that point you seen on a [TS]

  greater and I have a neighbor you saw on dealing with these guys as like I've got [TS]

  a passionate peres as soon as they leave the table he talks too chewy [TS]

  person-to-person with his true self these guys me yes and at that point when [TS]

  you see him talking with his true self you realize this guy's not such a [TS]

  hardass right he's clearly cat cares for you to have a real relationship with [TS]

  each other he doesn't talk to Julie like hired help you don't have a block behind [TS]

  his bluster and everything with you as you know that sort of like this a heart [TS]

  of gold inside the scoundrel so that's up from the very beginning and that's [TS]

  why that's how it works out it's not like this guy as you know a hard ass and [TS]

  then suddenly turned over a new leaf the whole movie is he's had this conflict [TS]

  about I have to show that I'm tough on the outside but on the inside I'm [TS]

  sentence all is going well just also that the sense that he's in some [TS]

  financial trouble too bad but that's almost immediately after this after [TS]

  their destructive you show up and then the next time we disagreed with me [TS]

  that's kind of the circuit leading Indian Johnson Council blended a lot on [TS]

  my mind is the kid because there's a lot of crossover in terms of Harrison Ford [TS]

  playing the kind of you know going to talk his way out of a jam type of thing [TS]

  he'll find his way out of a jam in the talks we have jimmy is able to do both [TS]

  and he'll switch between [TS]

  based on the situation eventually doesn't shoot nobody tried to talk his [TS]

  way out first and if that doesn't work he setting up his shooting and I think [TS]

  I'm getting my own self point but I think that's why it's ok that shoots [TS]

  first is that she really did try to get out of there without any trouble and [TS]

  only when it became really clear that greeted was just gonna shoot him and as [TS]

  you say that sets up his moral journey that he is slightly more immoral the [TS]

  beginning of the movie like I just care about he's trying to is trying to put up [TS]

  a front that says I'm tough I only care about myself it's not true but that's [TS]

  the front is trying to put up later I don't care about your ability and he can [TS]

  actually stick to that but he's totally willing to shoot first cuz that's what [TS]

  he's he's play acting the tough guy that he wishes he himself into a corner might [TS]

  be in touch and it has to agree to its common like the guy in the store [TS]

  industry doing this job i think is 11 seen an empire that I think really [TS]

  speaks to this aspect of Hon which is easier to see if luke and looks been [TS]

  rehabilitated in that and it back to tank and is about to go out in this snow [TS]

  speeder to try to slow down the Imperial assault meanwhile highness on top of the [TS]

  Falcon came back and asked about you enjoy gives me a big hug and then [TS]

  there's just no words spoken between between hunting work they just gonna [TS]

  smile at each other and had and it's still it's it's kind of accepting hands [TS]

  are Irish led can't say they can't actually say anything but there is this [TS]

  just a good connection between them in that 11 at 11 [TS]

  there was no intention of choice not to provide any dialogue there is anything [TS]

  you could have said what did you think was walking away from a walk away and [TS]

  basically stopped by yelling hey but then after after he's got his attention [TS]

  that doesn't need to be a big exactly kinda just not exact but it's not even [TS]

  that much smoke could be but it is not what they would say that it's like take [TS]

  care out there because you are a good friend that I like you [TS]

  yes it's it's something like to get so many it still minimal but the way that [TS]

  they're communicating its not attack I think it's more like a good training do [TS]

  not mean it's not like yeah like this month it's not that it's not only those [TS]

  carried and bringing down that wall ever so slightly exotic communicating without [TS]

  that will be in the way but if you look on the outside that yes they take that [TS]

  but it's it's an interesting contrast with chewy who is the actual toughest of [TS]

  the heroes and you know the one with the bourse temper and he's the one who dis [TS]

  lets the hugs in touch with his emotions right whales because a friend is out [TS]

  there is much more if not feel the need to take them down like right right he [TS]

  always lets I was asked to me [TS]

  certainly all the way back to earlier in the show and I said that I found in D [TS]

  for more disappointing Phantom Menace I agree with your assessment that the [TS]

  Phantom Menace had more [TS]

  the hope that would be good was bigger than the hope that in my thought might [TS]

  my line of thinking on that was simply though that bill Berg it's still a very [TS]

  talented filmmaker thought that meant you know there is a good chance it could [TS]

  still be a good movie [TS]

  whereas by the time Phantom Menace came out because of the special editions I [TS]

  was already so deeply pessimistic because almost everything I would say [TS]

  like nine out of every 10 changes in the special editions for the worse I just [TS]

  made me think this man George Lucas has lost his fucking mind and now he's going [TS]

  to make a home movies and everything that I thought would be go wrong because [TS]

  of the special editions of the trilogy was exactly what the whole original [TS]

  trilogy so I will back it is the only one that survived being special edition [TS]

  and and i think is better for it in many ways I think the changes they made him [TS]

  special edition pointless they did not need to be made but because empire was [TS]

  so perfect so what can you do to it might even find things to put in like [TS]

  well how does he get back to start a story we should see that so that stupid [TS]

  crap used that is that is stupid but the running down to the hallways of Plant [TS]

  City makes it look nice words you can see it when it was always that simple [TS]

  exalting has like what can I not do because of budget or technology or time [TS]

  or both [TS]

  like well I couldn't have things through the windows and paint them all whites [TS]

  are put something like that being overweight when I was a kid I didn't [TS]

  feel like a wire the walls opaque I thought like this is a weird [TS]

  futuristic-looking set where they changed it jumped out to me and she [TS]

  didn't make it worse it was it was the movie that didn't get worse for being so [TS]

  it didn't get a free because who cares about it like it's my we get to see them [TS]

  fly into cloud city doesn't fit in with the rest of the movie that sticks out [TS]

  you don't need it but like there was so little they had to do it entirely new [TS]

  musical numbers for example you know they weren't that during major plot [TS]

  points like having agreed oh shoot it like there was no they didn't load up [TS]

  twenty more [TS]

  ads in the battlefield I wish I could have more things going on in the [TS]

  hospital not doing things and a half thousand was appropriate it was fine you [TS]

  don't need to have the background to and then we have a whole other second [TS]

  section where we fly around I couldn't be cleaned up the madeleines had a few [TS]

  things here and there they showed that I'm getting didn't remember but they [TS]

  redid them outlines for wasn't called special edition but they did a [TS]

  cleaned-up Effects version of it I don't remember would release it was for maybe [TS]

  but they they did go back and clean up a lot of the worst of the optical mapping [TS]

  and that was the approach like that's why I kind of had high hopes the special [TS]

  missions because it was kind of like it's going to be more of that stuff is [TS]

  going to be like things that we're limitations of technology behind with [TS]

  the mountain lions were super annoying over there was some of you member but in [TS]

  this news feed is used to be able to see through the copied into the slightly [TS]

  translucent and opaque now because that's changing the movie and it's a [TS]

  special edition like insert entirely new food and I i remember and I believe it [TS]

  too as I read that with the mat lines on the space ships like in the dog fighting [TS]

  in a new hope when it was theatrically shown originally they might you might [TS]

  have to squint see them but just because of the nature between projecting versus [TS]

  the home video transfer they were nowhere near as noticeable lot of it was [TS]

  really just that it was the first home video transfer was too light they blew [TS]

  out the blacks whereas everything looked at it was a lot richer black it wasn't [TS]

  like wow I don't remember seeing those lines around type theater fighters when [TS]

  I was a kid who didnt yeah but anyway that was my tears I tend to mean nothing [TS]

  epitomizes it more than the hot-shooting first and I know it's a cliche I know [TS]

  it's like a super popular t-shirt shop first [TS]

  but I feel like it's one of those things that it's a cliche because it really [TS]

  does it it's a way to just put your finger on everything that's wrong with [TS]

  the special editions because it seems to me this is where I put it is it's almost [TS]

  as though like if George Lucas its old star wars to Disney in ninety-three and [TS]

  end is needed the exact same things you'd be like oh my god [TS]

  corporation doesn't know jack shit I don't even understand Star Wars and [TS]

  ruining this great then it's almost mind-boggling that it was all done by [TS]

  the guy who made it makes sense to me because the guy who made it got older [TS]

  the same thing that happened on the walkie talkies ETV it's like about both [TS]

  people are like I'm I'm very well known for this famous movie now I'm an older [TS]

  person and when I go back and look at the movie and I made when I was younger [TS]

  man I i feel differently about it and if I was making it today would make it [TS]

  differently and I feel it's it's too harsh for 400 should first be as hot as [TS]

  sympathetic character and you start our driver and like the whole lesson for [TS]

  this is fine then make a different movie now this is the movie you made when you [TS]

  were a young man and a young man and if you go back and change that like that is [TS]

  the worst movies like I know that you have changed if you have changed making [TS]

  new art that expresses where you are today but don't and the fact that his [TS]

  contemporary spielberg did the same thing with et oh it's too upsetting that [TS]

  the people chasing after you have shotguns put a walkie-talkie in there [TS]

  that's how you feel now is a 56 year old man butt kicking back and change a thing [TS]

  you made when you did you go back and change that back to guns and he's also [TS]

  you know George it's the same impulse because the people who made the movie [TS]

  got older and they still have the creative control to say you know what I [TS]

  want to make a new version this movie that better reflects Who I am today and [TS]

  make a new movie for you are then when you were a different person and I agree [TS]

  with both of you are saying the same thing which is that [TS]

  you know you would have to write an entirely different scene tonight because [TS]

  the thing if you if you've seen the film even once you can see that that he tries [TS]

  to talk his way out of it he realizes he doesn't end there is no way out for him [TS]

  other than to shoot credo is going to kill him right now over my dead body [TS]

  that's the idea I mean he's prepping he's he's a Cajun person he's prepping [TS]

  for the whole time hes like he's not going to say oh after I feel talk myself [TS]

  out of it then think of a plan B plan B is already ready already be ready cuz [TS]

  that's how he lived this long in this business it feels like a change that was [TS]

  mandated by like Disney corporate you know like we we can't have a hero shoot [TS]

  first [TS]

  barely can be to take out the blackface well I'm just upset about I'm just say [TS]

  no it feels like somebody outside the film who hadn't even seen it is just [TS]

  holding up a check lock necklace that says heroes can't do this I feel like [TS]

  somebody from like there what is that thing the something parents association [TS]

  is right to the SEC to sort of like an old person who was like Oh kids these [TS]

  days and they're cursing and baggy pants and we really need to stop and money [TS]

  like that type of that type of idea that older people who are uncomfortable with [TS]

  things that younger people think are cool I guess you know it's just too [TS]

  harsh and for that character feels like Han Solo is is a lovable likable good [TS]

  character and he would never do something that bad whereas younger [TS]

  filmmaker anyone who would like to say is good people do bad things people grow [TS]

  the same reason you know that he was like when he was younger and less wise [TS]

  and you know and when I made the movie that's the character I made and now on [TS]

  is older and more wise and kinder and he has changed but you can't retroactive to [TS]

  go back to make yourself it's like retroactive going back in your own life [TS]

  and not do stupid things when you're a teenager that's part of who you are [TS]

  we haven't spoken much about Return of the Jedi just the opening where Luke you [TS]

  know sort of such an airline and maybe what I would do in terms of the dark [TS]

  side so that movie that movie I think the more I watch it as I get older the [TS]

  more I like yeah I don't love it and it's nowhere near it doesn't make me [TS]

  anywhere near as happy as Star Wars or Empire does but I almost feel like I [TS]

  don't know how else so I put it above stores for me just because it's like [TS]

  Empire took up to the next level say here's a movie this appreciate for all [TS]

  ages [TS]

  sophisticated story emotion things for adults in it and also kids will love it [TS]

  that brought up to the adult level Jedi things back down a little bit with the [TS]

  UART business but I feel like the culmination of the arc how this story [TS]

  ends with the whole angled like Luke movie heroes never do which is pacifism [TS]

  is the victory like that never happened pacifist are wimps nobody want to pass [TS]

  by John McClain to shoot the guy you want the cop who is guilty about [TS]

  shooting and drop drop drop him off the roof the cop who felt bad you couldn't [TS]

  pick up is gonna get a shot that kid to get his gun back and say now I'm [TS]

  confident that I can shoot people again like pacifism never wins can you think [TS]

  of any other movie anywhere where pacifism least get the kind of a junk [TS]

  bond trader does that thing maybe guys like you know like that is the struggle [TS]

  the end it is a sophisticated struggle in emotional struggle between Luke not [TS]

  giving in to his anger and fighting fighting Vader and the moment when when [TS]

  Luke is winning the fight which is what you want the good guy to do in most [TS]

  movies gives you rooting for the tide beat the bad guy good guy beat the dog [TS]

  may be down for the count could go beyond the report is gonna come back and [TS]

  he's strong he's going to be the bad guy that's when that's happening in general [TS]

  I that's the best you like no don't do [TS]

  bring little kids along and that journey to bring little kids along to the point [TS]

  where they're sad when the good guys beating the bad guy I think it's a nice [TS]

  message I think it's a message that it never ever seen and I think the [TS]

  sophistication of that culmination yes they do blockbuster game but the [TS]

  sophistication of the resolution of her story [TS]

  elevates the rest of that movie ok I so I totally agree with you in terms of [TS]

  Luke sorry and yes that is the most satisfactory and ultimately teams they [TS]

  do and always good to know you don't think that it's not just you care about [TS]

  you know how you can do is find someone else to ship you can't like the three [TS]

  fronts thing people down the planet people in the space station in the Death [TS]

  Star the coordination between those three lines of action is I think very [TS]

  well done I tend to do him any other movies I think this is you know in a [TS]

  modern devices like that all the time the multiple lines of action culminating [TS]

  round one thing but this was an early occurrence and I think the balance [TS]

  between the three parlance is this just very nice sometimes when they're not [TS]

  that interested but at least it's all connected in a way that you understand [TS]

  it but it is so if anything it could just as well I'm just going to say that [TS]

  it makes sense not scientifically not like you're really trying to think it [TS]

  through but if you just go with the flow of Star Wars level logic makes sense [TS]

  that all three things are simultaneously yeah I mean just as an avid relying on [TS]

  each other like this this this cast that we've come to know and if they've been [TS]

  with each other they're ensemble cast their friends they are spread out to [TS]

  different missions for this final battle here and there are relying entirely upon [TS]

  doesn't get that she'll down they can't do the attack and if it doesn't hamper [TS]

  inside there doesn't matter because you know if he gets turned then the globe [TS]

  this star but then they have a problem anyway the Emperor will survive the only [TS]

  person killed the Emperor's mayor so they're all depend on each other and [TS]

  their leverage of Emperor saying all your friends out that you think there we [TS]

  know about their plan they're screwed like it all so I [TS]

  completely against the the last thirty second half of them is great he's [TS]

  amazing [TS]

  the ship battles good surprise appearance at the bulk of the [TS]

  beautifully amazing the shield being up and all of those ships have dodged [TS]

  amazing everything's great and love it and you told anybody coming together [TS]

  generated me start so the world's most inane [TS]

  repeatedly plan of leg what the hell are you doing so you can you give the Droid [TS]

  2 job and you've got Lando embedded and then you handle that then wait and you [TS]

  had to redo baka and then you try to get released but here's the thing and you [TS]

  you thought you were going at dragged her son so that aren't EDT would be [TS]

  serving drinks and jettison like a lightsaber to use you could not have it [TS]

  is the stupidest plan in their outgunned right because the people are going after [TS]

  Han is not the entire day coming down right and so they can frontal assault is [TS]

  not going to work so they seem to have planned abcd to have a lot of things [TS]

  going on here there people in better there they have the droids [TS]

  goes there like he's planned you know he's prob his primary plans for you you [TS]

  know talked his way we can get maybe we can get him out with these guys were [TS]

  embedded if they can't send in Luke but don't send in the lightsaber because [TS]

  Lucas group we need to have a viable so smuggled out and are too right it's a [TS]

  lot of contingency plans and basically all their continued season needed to be [TS]

  there because everything goes wrong and they're at the brink of death and their [TS]

  final continues he was looking get out of this paper we do have his lightsaber [TS]

  like yeah I don't see them as contingencies so much is likely going to [TS]

  set up a bunch of things that may be useful and maybe it'll all work out but [TS]

  that's a good opening seems like a good bond opening scene it's like it yes [TS]

  exactly [TS]

  mind opening scene is a little bit contrived but you get to see you got to [TS]

  resolve the movie and second of all it's it's like a series of fun action set [TS]

  pieces it's like you know three bond you've got the satellite pit and then [TS]

  you've got a lot of like entry good people in this sadly sorry gonna keep [TS]

  the only Star Wars movie that doesn't have any scenes on Tatooine [TS]

  right and here they are back on Tatooine and instead of feeling at that time [TS]

  because at that point fifty percent of All Star Wars movies had scenes on [TS]

  Tatooine just just the one here it is it it felt like a you know started on [TS]

  Tatooine need to know shit about the force now he's back on Tatooine and he's [TS]

  felt like a closer just closing the loop on high on being kidnapped and frozen in [TS]

  carbonite your closing the loop on Luke's childhood my setup the rest of [TS]

  the arc of the movie though because he the end of empire and he's defeated [TS]

  hands cut off is a mess emotionally to stand out various father he is at his [TS]

  low you see him and just like who is this guy was drenched in sweat with his [TS]

  hand cut off and with my crap now these guys confidently strolling into here [TS]

  behind strangling people that's going in he's like super powerful like wow I [TS]

  guess his his art is done and you find out his art is not done because what [TS]

  he's going to deal with now is also you think you're the master even know what [TS]

  the actual battle is against your nature of not using your newfound powers for [TS]

  evil that is the actual bed and that's why he goes back to you it is like how [TS]

  you think your agenda I'd know you have to face murder why does it matter it's [TS]

  not like some trial and you had to understanding of music is like you had [TS]

  to face better because that shows you the best guy because you have to you [TS]

  have to deal with the whole dark side angle like to remember your failure in [TS]

  the cave you have to pay spader to show that you really do you really are on the [TS]

  light side of the force and not the dark side the only way to do this a test [TS]

  yourself against someone that you totally want to kill and not do it I [TS]

  agree with a guy that logically probably should've gone in with them [TS]

  you know that the whole idea that instead of going with the lady bra [TS]

  smuggling in our two and I'll just assume that if and when I really need it [TS]

  will be in because if he's gotta kill every man woman and child in Jabba's [TS]

  palace is going to run out of there with a gigantic army buddy grab somebody's [TS]

  gonna interests of blacks jam in the face that is not nice to tease [TS]

  improvising at that point because he's trying to shoot an unknown began in the [TS]

  face that is trying to negotiate his way out of this thing and then I go actually [TS]

  we're gonna send you into the pit he tries to get out of it like things don't [TS]

  go well for him and isn't isn't that the first time in the movies we've skies we [TS]

  you know the whole whole original trilogy is relatively light on Jedi [TS]

  action you know it's the first time we've seen the Jedi mind trick not work [TS]

  and that's what we learn that it only works well no action to force can have a [TS]

  powerful influence on the original trilogy really good at paying off things [TS]

  are in ways that are not patient about now have something in the beginning of [TS]

  the movie and they're going to pay it off at the end of a very really do have [TS]

  something in one movie impaled on a second movie and the Star Wars trilogy [TS]

  has tons of things in the first movie to do not get paid off until two movies [TS]

  later which nobody had the guts to do it may be like the big bucks now that they [TS]

  have any but even that is like you're much more sure that they set up so much [TS]

  stuff and Jabba the Hutt himself to set up a new hope I would have been in the [TS]

  mood to head the tire budget didn't put him in the second movie he's in the [TS]

  third [TS]

  yeah pay off the debt that would remove first scene we meet Han Solo 40 minutes [TS]

  in a new hope we don't pay it off until Dec 22 ya know they say that death was [TS]

  the general says I get that sense yet but I don't mention [TS]

  and I think Luke's idea that hey I'll try the Jedi mind trick on maybe this [TS]

  would be easy job of it you have to end up puncturing looks company comes in as [TS]

  a dark hooded figure who could this be a Nike works any super confident you'll [TS]

  give it to me and I congratulate things fall apart but he gets kinda like how we [TS]

  do it you know same as usual and that bad huh [TS]

  that point like his his confidence in boston has been pierced his back to the [TS]

  old like a balloon was like well he's more powerful now but things really are [TS]

  going well in the gym and that's what said yeah yeah yeah [TS]

  his twisted headed consiglio yeah I'm sure people yelling at us right now my [TS]

  only problem with the opening scene which I agree piecewise even more than [TS]

  the battle which is almost more of like an opening act because it involves [TS]

  everything from you know getting captured by the way to the whole battle [TS]

  that to me that the job is seen pace wise feels like a blonde my way that [TS]

  both yes No [TS]

  good says this is not a sign of things to come home which is a little respect [TS]

  that well I just don't understand you know they knew they knew there was a lot [TS]

  of slapstick humor and slapstick that which i think for the most part works [TS]

  but the fact that bubble that gets wrapped up in a slapstick and that ends [TS]

  up being his death is a shame he's the only guy that can go toe-to-toe with the [TS]

  Jetta and he looks normal he's crafty and waiting for a moment like he's [TS]

  established is not the toughest found 200 but the smartest the street exactly [TS]

  an empire that establishes and he doesn't even get taken out my purpose [TS]

  taken out by a blind and he either should not have been there at all and [TS]

  just leave you know he's not there or he should have gotten away [TS]

  well I mean I'm ok with cutting his gun in half because like well you up against [TS]

  a Jedi [TS]

  that can happen I'm not OK with the way he died but they made it even worse by [TS]

  having him into their musical scene that they acted like they just keep making [TS]

  bombs if it well they did in the original run he just gives the little [TS]

  not the sexy girl dancing yeah yeah you know and listening even get into Jango [TS]

  Fett no character well you know and the only thing I'll say about returning to [TS]

  me the weak spot is the whole thing on and/or moon then it doesn't and it's it [TS]

  partly just that the Holy walk there was where the merchandising started getting [TS]

  out of hand because it was like have you heard this I don't know how much this [TS]

  apocryphal and I'm which is true but that the toys that already been put into [TS]

  production before they made the costumes in the costumes were like just [TS]

  incredibly hot and just get really limited actors ability to move that's [TS]

  why they just sort of water that a walk [TS]

  hadn't heard that I had heard that eventually is going to be too pushy yeah [TS]

  yeah well which would have been a lot cooler but you will get a constructive [TS]

  you can't believe that right and there's just a silliness to it that these little [TS]

  furry you know to talk creatures are beating stormtroopers literally I do [TS]

  like the insurgents people insurgent one of the characters that are mostly for [TS]

  kids and don't have much value for adults I do like the notion that you [TS]

  represent nature the imperial troops represent I get some kind of [TS]

  technological terror acts like an insurgent force against yes much more [TS]

  dominant military force the fact that insurgents could ya its native American [TS]

  Union [TS]

  the same type of territory that was tried much more seriously about star [TS]

  Galactica yes and I feel like the other thing that was evident with the whole [TS]

  segment is that they had these characters Han and Leia who we wanted to [TS]

  see more of and with a just so we got these scenes with them having this [TS]

  action salt on the shield generator whereas the real world really matter [TS]

  what was left to really matter in the story was the other two angles which was [TS]

  the big space battle with the elite the two fleets fighting each other and you [TS]

  know and then primarily the Luke later Emperor yeah I mean the whole and/or [TS]

  thing in addition to being silly just because they're literally walks it it [TS]

  really felt a little force because it's like well we just want more on in late [TS]

  whenever the guerrilla actions supporting the larger things like you [TS]

  got to deactivate the shield generator which is in a remote place you gonna [TS]

  send a small straight into the city or stealth mission that's why go on is in [TS]

  danger in the mission you shouldn't have come as they could sense it does peter [TS]

  Chase [TS]

  the Redwoods that's also in there ya go if it's a lot better than like the pod [TS]

  racing scene which is just this hold giant digression whereas the the the [TS]

  speeder bikes in the moon was just a really cool actions and then it's like [TS]

  you know the whole idea that stealth and so it's jam they're coming yes script [TS]

  used to say we won't have a chase scene in the states of the chase scene areas [TS]

  if you like he's got a scathing tell-all empire that you're down here nevermind [TS]

  that point the audience but there's a reason for the chase scene as a reason [TS]

  for the desperation is basically hide-and-seek we don't want the Empire [TS]

  tonight we're down here some people start getting us the whole thing you [TS]

  think you got them all then you see two other guys get off on spear bikes then [TS]

  you get a jump on his bed about to make sure they don't get so used to bother me [TS]

  as a kid and only recently have I come around to the thought that maybe Lucas [TS]

  actually this is like his last hurrah he knew what he was doing and it's actually [TS]

  pretty good character development and screenwriting is it always bothered me [TS]

  as a kid that in Empire Vader doesn't really want to even really just doesn't [TS]

  wanna kill Luke he wants to turn Luke and doesn't want to turn in for the [TS]

  Emperor [TS]

  I think he truly and sincerely mean when he says join me in a prior to possess [TS]

  the whole but it's only an empire he doesn't even make the offer in return of [TS]

  the Jedi [TS]

  takes custody Luke and at that moment retakes custody Luke any any it takes [TS]

  his lightsaber he says he was carrying this certainly gives his lightsaber [TS]

  and it's the little I've said this before another podcast it's one of my [TS]

  favorite little moments in all of the whole series is what is Vader do when he [TS]

  gets Luke's lightsaber [TS]

  of course he turns it on and he tries it odd little just waves around feels that [TS]

  way it's nice to ride a skateboard I was a teenager you get somebody else to [TS]

  skateboard what he did you know you may not take it all the way around the block [TS]

  you just try it out see what it's like you know the whole father son angle like [TS]

  you coming in the beginning like an empire it's like oh my god daughter is [TS]

  my father was a dramatic revelation said about and so on so forth but I'm Jenna [TS]

  comes around you're looking at it from the other direction Vader's going Lucas [TS]

  is known as always somebody now he's like I've seen my son this is my son if [TS]

  your son made a lightsaber you be kind of proud of my son made pretty good [TS]

  lightsaber here you know like you training is complete if you are [TS]

  internally a sinking feeling person and you meet up with your son like this [TS]

  feeling you're gonna be there like the fatherly feelings are gonna be there and [TS]

  that is the feeling that Vader has in general you know there is no conflict [TS]

  but there is in the conflict is that you know my son is actually pretty cool and [TS]

  I wanted to join me in the last one that was me rationalizing my I can still be [TS]

  even still have my son here when it's clear that my son is never join you [TS]

  right chris is not gonna join me I'm not to go home killing my son is actually [TS]

  pretty cool things and I feel ashamed of the things that I've done in front of my [TS]

  son too late for me son boba that conflict is present and because dr. [TS]

  wears a mask progetto I you get to be like is Luke like wishing that was there [TS]

  is not really in our theater you know and like many times like you know he [TS]

  tries to come with me follow we can go and get nothing from his face mask is it [TS]

  doesn't change expression and he is totally wrong about that is that is that [TS]

  when he turns later in the tournament he walks out CNN and just call him father [TS]

  immediately yeah I down the hole that I always thought I saw as a kid was that [TS]

  why does invader try to make the same offer again and just be like look I give [TS]

  you a lightsaber back let's go kill this guy [TS]

  you and I have our differences we can sort them out of the hole you know i i [TS]

  was threatening to kill you trying to kill you still turn me down like that [TS]

  happen now and then watching it again recent years I think that that's [TS]

  actually the way it play it plays out and it also fits with the way that Luke [TS]

  is clearly a more mature character and and Morgan posed at the beginning even [TS]

  just a beginning of Return of the Jedi then he was that thats that scene on [TS]

  Bespin in Cloud City that was Vader's chance to win just the fact that he [TS]

  surrenders willingly handovers late too strong to patrol shows her resolve in [TS]

  Luke did I think they recognize he won't be able to bring optimistic he thought [TS]

  he thought he could turn later he was right in the end but he thought he could [TS]

  be there is good in him I felt that when he feels he felt today at the end of [TS]

  empire invader freshly minted could have killed him and then went when I was [TS]

  going off is like their communicate telepathically as father and son right [TS]

  that's the point where you feel the same good because he is not communicate [TS]

  telepathically pointed to get you when I see you next time I'm not only that one [TS]

  of my favorite parts of empire is when the fuckin finally jumped into [TS]

  hyperspace invader doesn't kill anybody to you did everything it'll do you did [TS]

  everything it did go it didn't work out but my son got away and kind of [TS]

  depressed and I can't even be bothered to murder anybody at this point it's an [TS]

  emotional moment for changes in its not even that much body language when you've [TS]

  got it just turns around and walks Jetta dot dot head there was constant killing [TS]

  people I you know the frustrated hot-headed was consulate killing people [TS]

  because he wasn't getting what he wanted nothing can get him what he wanted here [TS]

  because what he wants [TS]

  for some reason the helmet is oddly expressive is certain and I want to [TS]

  write write you know I think it's all tied with musical cues but it like the [TS]

  whole first movie it just looks like the most evil bad as you can imagine there [TS]

  are some differences I know that in the next to it was a lot more polished he [TS]

  changes and they had a problem in the original one of getting the eyes to be [TS]

  completely black and OPA like sometimes there is there a little bit lighter gray [TS]

  and it was little Empire think is the best Vader because it is it is sleek and [TS]

  menacing but like you said also there is more body language no more expressive [TS]

  reaching out with his hand he's able to act more with his body empire also in in [TS]

  in in Empire his keep seems to not cover his shoulders a lot like you see those [TS]

  big massive shock waves behind them and there's wind like you've got like the [TS]

  body language of Vader when you know the surprise dinner with leaving them open [TS]

  the doors that made her standing at the head of the table [TS]

  Chancellor Angela text ya proudest moment it should just start shooting [TS]

  that's what you do this it's that's the answer isn't worried [TS]

  James Bond James Bond James Bond sequences are the sequences in which [TS]

  bond bond reacts in the appropriate way before the audience has time to think [TS]

  about what the appropriate way exactly he's the one who's been in the situation [TS]

  made everything you still alive is because he immediately knows what to do [TS]

  and there's not a lot of reaction shot what should I do [TS]

  blog bond is a man of action he knows when it's called for action to catch the [TS]

  audience by surprise is the kind of so that everybody wants to think they're [TS]

  gonna pinch but that's the only time I think we've ever seen [TS]

  just catches a bunch of little balls which is super badass the ramping up of [TS]

  what is possible but the force you know we knew that you could block blaster [TS]

  bolts with the lightsaber but he doesn't put his hands and it shows that he's we [TS]

  don't we don't see that we don't see that too actually a special like Yoda [TS]

  moves lots of stuff [TS]

  shows that it is powerful but he's not teaching Luke like you know karate moves [TS]

  or like how to chop things is not a lot of things and think about where he's [TS]

  showing them fancy lightsaber chopsticks so so the dark side force like what [TS]

  would you do if you were not in the School of how the forces all about and [TS]

  that could involve things with your hands and a third movie shooting [TS]

  lightning bolts out of your hands like we don't know where how far this this [TS]

  leveling tree goes but if I would almost say that it comes a horror movie where [TS]

  you don't you know let the monster something happens and what you want to [TS]

  show their as being a man of action and not go I knew I would find to be that [TS]

  stupid to block right and also shown that may have that inclination but he is [TS]

  not of the magic using his everything he can do it is like a child's toy doubt [TS]

  he'll block a few things then take on the gun safe please [TS]

  down because you you going to be so it's never been clear to me that I'm not [TS]

  quite sure though if that that move of blocking the blaster with your hand as [TS]

  we never see that even in the clone or where the general [TS]

  it might be because he's got robot that's what I was thinking I'm not sure [TS]

  I'm just going to go with the forces that i'm gonna go with a little bit ago [TS]

  a little bit column a little bit column be at both like maybe Vader's the only [TS]

  guy you could maybe [TS]

  script your hand if you had a bill and either way you got a row exists as a [TS]

  small small observation this is such a small detail but it seems as though the [TS]

  advances in what would you call it what you call it like like when somebody gets [TS]

  artificial limb prosthetics press the heck technology advanced significantly [TS]

  in the twenty do you think it's the only technology like one is most like humans [TS]

  and the other one is can you make me into machine of War two different goals [TS]

  away with it to me when he's got ya yeah I'm not even talking about being young [TS]

  and you know it was like brass kind of like art deco steampunk kind of things [TS]

  like Luke went to a nice cosmetic surgery [TS]

  patty garlic steam steam engine it has to be used [TS]

  how we doing on time I know that it's getting late 15 more minutes [TS]

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  well guess what makes a lot of sense it's almost like you know eventually [TS]

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  mattress industry is so crooked it's ridiculous you go from one mattress [TS]

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  and there's cartel few high-priced manufacturers who collaborate together [TS]

  to keep prices high it's it's just a racket and it's a real pain in the ass [TS]

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  get a mattress ship to your house this is the part that baffled me I had no [TS]

  idea they vacuum packed these things using I don't even know how they do it [TS]

  but it comes it doesn't come in a tiny box it's not like you're getting a [TS]

  little pill and you put water on it comes in a box like the size of a dorm [TS]

  room refrigerator maybe a little bigger than that easily fits the road or you [TS]

  can see how they ship them then you open the thing up and should expand into one [TS]

  thing I would say follow their directions open in the room where you [TS]

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  a mattress I can't stand that I wouldn't like that it's not like that at all it's [TS]

  just a nice mattress just feels good and his think they're made right here in [TS]

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  com and / the talk show host / talk show that brings me to a point is a point I [TS]

  wanted me it's a funny time but I wanted to make this before we wrap up the show [TS]

  one thing that Star Wars does and I think it's a good thing too but it [TS]

  doesn't really make any logical sense is there just always been very and wavy [TS]

  yadda yadda yadda about how long it takes to get from one plant to another [TS]

  in hyperspace it's it's seemingly a big deal to get from tattoo intolerant [TS]

  because they have to pay a thousand credit twenty thousand and it's enough [TS]

  that looks almost pirate ship it you know [TS]

  but how long is it nobody change their clothes you know the movie is not about [TS]

  long space flights so that's not an important part of movies to be in there [TS]

  and all you gotta do is make it seem like a real long car trip because that's [TS]

  what people can relate to its gonna be like a really long car trip guys and [TS]

  that's how much time you have in terms of time passing on the movie that I like [TS]

  well if you're if you're in some town in the middle of nowhere near wanna get to [TS]

  the big city you got to somehow get there either by doing a long car trip or [TS]

  taking a bus or train or something like that is a lot of public transportation [TS]

  the galaxy of it if you could have any galaxy spanning civilization you just [TS]

  gotta hand wave [TS]

  under the assumption that Turkey and does not want to blow up down to win [TS]

  because it's too remote to make an effective demonstration I don't know [TS]

  what the media situation is yeah like its way but the media situation again [TS]

  you know they're going to sail to remote like they don't have any kind of [TS]

  galactic media that is sort of giving any sort of shared like that not all [TS]

  watching space seinfeld together that all of culture and also the same songs [TS]

  they're not interested in news about what's going on the other systems if [TS]

  your system you can be like rebellion Empire doesn't really affect me we're [TS]

  kind of in the lowest plan cuts anyway so no big deal it's more like the entire [TS]

  galaxy is about the size of the United States and its in the united states like [TS]

  in the in the pre interstate high-wage tattooing is like the wild west slope of [TS]

  the Wild West know what's going on the big city and there is organized crime [TS]

  and maybe this prohibition and you know like that type of communication delay [TS]

  American Century thinking but yeah I attention again and what about this time [TS]

  so this timeline to me is it's just his very accepted I don't mind but it if you [TS]

  think about it too much it's pretty hard to explain is the Falcon leaves hot [TS]

  hyperdrive hyperdrive doesn't work so they go hide in an asteroid field [TS]

  because of the very least we can go there and they started stories will [TS]

  start stop shooting at us so far so good [TS]

  this is forget that the space worms somehow gets huge on an asteroid with no [TS]

  atmosphere in the biology that thing is [TS]

  yeah so what so what was a cool scene and a great surprise so I agree but they [TS]

  don't have a hybrid drive and they never fix the hyperdrive and in high and is [TS]

  flipping through his computer and he goes and so somehow he can get the best [TS]

  but it's there in the system he saw that he left no stone left there in the newer [TS]

  faster but if you're willing to just you know go along Highway 55 it's [TS]

  scientifically speaking again but then he wanted to go to the land assists so [TS]

  continued but that that's a different solar system it's not they're not trying [TS]

  to say that best ben is on a different planet in the Solar System [TS]

  I actually don't know I don't know more about Star Wars polymath is out for us [TS]

  but I don't think the planet being essential and the moon's being the [TS]

  system I think that the loosey-goosey site you know star Scientific hyperdrive [TS]

  is really really fast and gets you a couple of hours you can get from one to [TS]

  be and if you don't take hyperdrive there still some kind of faster than [TS]

  light way that you're gonna get a hundred years from now you get there a [TS]

  couple of weeks because that's the whole period where Lucas training on Dec yeah [TS]

  exactly right [TS]

  the time it takes the Falcons again from the asteroids to bass bin is the time [TS]

  the entirety of it I'm that Luke trends either Luke spends a grand total of [TS]

  about eight hours training or playing an awful lot of topics in fact this was the [TS]

  the title of one of the episodes of an empire was July weekend there for a [TS]

  month is never week was just like a Jedi weekend [TS]

  what's the show you speak of you put it in your show and had to add to google [TS]

  that is the question on the SWTOR dot com how did you get the best of best [TS]

  with no light speed the question right in the forums and the first answer is [TS]

  that it's Patil ya know do you know what this is classic writing the heroes only [TS]

  ever as powerful as you need to be very given scene like Superman can move the [TS]

  moon in one scene and just get beaten down by bad men in the next it's it's [TS]

  fine like I i think you know Scott McNulty forgive me but start a kind of [TS]

  fetishes this kind of thing and it's just a detailed doesn't matter it's it [TS]

  has nothing to do with the narrative version of the story right like Star [TS]

  Trek has gone on to explain that the warp factor factor going from zero to [TS]

  ten is like a lot more sense given separately investment are both me know [TS]

  at system I sent you just know that this was backwards this is somebody who this [TS]

  really bothered and less than expanding universe everything has to explain all [TS]

  this people are more intimate know all these answers already because they have [TS]

  to make the movie it's due throwaway lines when you right now left a novel in [TS]

  this universe you have to eventually figure out where I know I know it's not [TS]

  the same solar system [TS]

  sector matter it's all just us and we still need fast channel [TS]

  III and I feel like the movie doesn't suffer for it if they had and it would [TS]

  have been a whole medical Orion moment if they had gone the whole star trek [TS]

  factor and explained that we can no longer go in hyperdrive past Speedway [TS]

  just started doesn't do that either started mislead us if if it's a dramatic [TS]

  part of a plot we would simply have someone explain in the moment we're [TS]

  going now is either adequate or inadequate [TS]

  for some made up reason to escape or not escape from its like when they're trying [TS]

  to do is turning out of the black hole in the judge Abrams reboot like this [TS]

  matter in the Trinity River like world where maximum warp not gonna make about [TS]

  to blow things up in like they just need a dramatic moment like there's no [TS]

  there's no before that they didn't have long discussions about what it would be [TS]

  like trying to escape from and antimatter bomb with a dramatic moment [TS]

  in the moment something else something that set too much but in terms of empire [TS]

  what we needed as we needed to be trained by Yoda and we needed time 402 [TS]

  sort of come together in some kind of way and sort of the down time in both [TS]

  the asteroid field and provides that story temper and then after you're done [TS]

  with that it's you know wave your hands in time to the next great and it also [TS]

  makes sense then that the empire could have gotten there before they did [TS]

  because they have ships with fully functioning hybrid drives and could get [TS]

  there and you know work out their dastardly yes i mean clearly and it well [TS]

  before you did so how does he said that just before I mean obviously not be for [TS]

  it you know they just has time to plan a dinner party I was that there was pretty [TS]

  classic Bond villain yeah I think it makes sense to test the company freezing [TS]

  on hand and against that we don't have the Emperor's prize damage but even at [TS]

  that point even at that point he's got delusions that it's going to be like [TS]

  father and son duo yeah either way just think it's made further uncomfortable I [TS]

  mean I presume that they did get a meal I do I thank you very much a comparative [TS]

  where they they play out the rest of the scene where there are really eating and [TS]

  I didn't see have to put this in the show it's got it was just sitting there [TS]

  so well and both both wear masks that they don't take off for a vote if it [TS]

  sticks in from the other people enjoying their food but we've both made being in [TS]

  that scene is basically just to fuck you tan solo at that point yeah I guess he [TS]

  wants the ban is like he is worth a lot to me I think Vader his meals alone in [TS]

  his little meditation chamber off in the prequels and had like robots playing [TS]

  football some kind of American cell phone [TS]

  rebels they bring my little whatever it's called the circular table with the [TS]

  little yeah animation monsters that they really enjoyed playing american football [TS]

  is even something vaguely once you've gotta go through the prequel trilogy [TS]

  just blown up and stand ya to me among the worst things are in the dialogue is [TS]

  terrible the character motivation to terrible the definition of who's the [TS]

  main characters in this movie are terrible things right and yeah that's [TS]

  the again I would highly recommend them except for all the weird side plot stuff [TS]

  said I don't like the plague of things I don't like the characterization of the [TS]

  framing device change device laying eggs and the thing about the know that no [TS]

  main character in ensemble movies it's perfectly fine character and the usual [TS]

  suspects rate who is the main character in Firefly like it is possible to have [TS]

  you know are you can argue until now the main character in Firefly well as is [TS]

  Kevin Spacey the main character gabriel byrne ensemble cast a fine was the main [TS]

  character and oceans 11 is George Clooney is the most famous singer paid [TS]

  the most likely but that what he was trying to get out with the who is the [TS]

  main character in The Phantom Menace is that we don't care about any of these [TS]

  people right I told the main characters like who do I care about who and who do [TS]

  identify with who I rooting for and and and phantom as the answer is nobody in [TS]

  the entire people should be an end to effectively saved and never heard him [TS]

  and his partner [TS]

  and in fact there so why we not likely I like everybody's trained by you know [TS]

  it's like saying I was taught by famous professor at school you really want one [TS]

  class with him [TS]

  yeah that's it was trained by you every level of the people's problems you get a [TS]

  little things you can complain about them in the micro level you can call me [TS]

  back to level I was like to go out and said they just felt their fundamental [TS]

  tasks explain why they say hi I think the reason quite this is because I world [TS]

  one of the reasons is that I feel like Lucas got a bug up his butt to have a [TS]

  parallel to the first one where you know there's this great moment where obi-wan [TS]

  sacrifices himself and eyes and my god this jet I was so wise and sage and [TS]

  powerful throughout this movie is dead I didn't expect that all I want that again [TS]

  but it can't be obi-wan Kenobi one you know for the next six movies as I will [TS]

  invent this new guy and then what happened obi-wan well he gets to sit on [TS]

  a spaceship 4:45 [TS]

  the one thing and we'll see about that one thing is quite honest death kinda [TS]

  gives them the option at least to do what I did in the Jetta just goes [TS]

  bananas and Colin other character we don't care but that doesn't really even [TS]

  happen as well but it it does but then you don't get there's no there's no [TS]

  there's no idea that is more like quite gone is kind of like the the problem [TS]

  student who is always a little bit disrespectful and kind of you know I [TS]

  don't know a little bit of a rebel but never do you get the idea that quite [TS]

  honest teetering on the edge of their kind of like the kind of like the [TS]

  you know that the trouble students but everywhere is that the whole thing is [TS]

  like your 2010 be going on we're not sad music is not playing we are rooting for [TS]

  everyone to win he does win there is no you know what you think about it first [TS]

  of all I loved it he visually stunning as is contrived just as it was it looked [TS]

  pretty cool I liked the as those arbitrary doors closed quonset down and [TS]

  meditated start back and forth that was nice I'd like to the after I had been [TS]

  killed bobby one was a jumping up and down that just made the girl he's [TS]

  clearly pitch to hit you right there was no path and worse than being a payoff [TS]

  and this is horrible he ends up in like a tactical position is basically [TS]

  halfway down the hall and he manages to beat by jumping over him for scanning [TS]

  lights even cutting a man thing when henchman the movie and movies like just [TS]

  get into position in front of the hero and stand motionless while the hero [TS]

  doesn't exactly now here's the thing that is incredibly inferior position and [TS]

  at the end of the city we see we we have to be in in a marginally elevated [TS]

  position over Anakin and they have to align because I need you to understand [TS]

  that now I have the advantage because I want you to know that just doesn't make [TS]

  any sense because we've seen Kenobi beat Wake razor odds against a guy that was [TS]

  probably one of the benefit is that we've seen tonight so it's [TS]

  it's just it's sort of every possible to really picky you like medium level like [TS]

  moment seemed to seeing action action motivation motivation right things make [TS]

  no sense [TS]

  stories make their sons to take a look at the pool to jump to that while you [TS]

  watch video but they micanopy once fight in invented the set in in that very [TS]

  fight scene it is I never thought about it before how it parallels the Darth [TS]

  Maul a lower position and he didn't even have a late seventies and yet you're [TS]

  right though that is pretty damning but even in that one fight scene in the ebb [TS]

  and flow of one guy Avenue Upper and one guy up in the lower and upper and lower [TS]

  and flow [TS]

  the fight going back and forth that was so far and away not the worst position [TS]

  one of the guys should come back from so much more [TS]

  position and you want to go further and that scene where the two of them [TS]

  fighting you want the fight to not be about the fight something else but the [TS]

  something else it's about his stupid and you don't care about it all you've [TS]

  totally checked out an addict is a character 43 home movies could give a [TS]

  damn about what they liked the underlying he didn't even check out yeah [TS]

  right exactly like if you're gonna have a long fight scene like culminate in a [TS]

  trilogy of movies a long fight scene between two people you have to have [TS]

  established whatever the underlying issue is the degree that the attention [TS]

  of the fight scene is not just about the fighting part of what I'm just like [TS]

  whatever just like I was dragged on so long and it's boring who cares who cares [TS]

  who wins you know who wins you know what happens you don't there's no emotional [TS]

  stakes you don't care about any of the people and then the mechanics of the [TS]

  fights in any event the medicine they had a well-choreographed right scene [TS]

  with some interesting things in it didn't make too much sense that you care [TS]

  about the characters maybe you kind of knew he was going to be quite gone [TS]

  fairly charismatic and his character [TS]

  total cipher is stupid and then they killed themselves so much that he was [TS]

  like a red red scary guy who's going to lines and the only reason you think like [TS]

  you assume he's a good fighter and you later to see that he is and that he [TS]

  seems scary but later had a home movie to be intimidating before he took out a [TS]

  briefly that final fight would have almost been better suited [TS]

  extended oranges dissipates immediately just chopped into pieces like that's [TS]

  what you need to have happen like that [TS]

  well i maybe you need to have the emotional payoff of whatever their [TS]

  supposed conflict is about it whatever as I go to turn it was just so [TS]

  squandered yes but I decided once cannabis decided I think it needs to be [TS]

  decisive thing and what happened was not decisive really you know [TS]

  supposedly holding back at like I really don't want to kill you I can kill you [TS]

  because you're stupid kid didn't take my license I'm a good fighter but I don't [TS]

  want to I'm trying to convince even talk you down from the dimensions of the hard [TS]

  grounder the next move you make it says the audience like high and setting up a [TS]

  scenario which now this fight is over now and I'm telling you that makes now [TS]

  will determine whether the fight ends for him for me and for him I'm telling [TS]

  him don't do this because since the congress and terrified I am simply run [TS]

  out so now I'm just going to tell you what is going to happen here I can [TS]

  actually make it happen organically through a story of our events unfold and [TS]

  situations arise we can't have that because I'd be too complicated just [TS]

  gonna tell certain the ending part of a dick move to let your friends / I [TS]

  thought if you like a brother to burn alive maybe you know him out of his [TS]

  misery yeah like I tried to save him [TS]

  lights it's like he's a goner or just let them burn to death that is like it's [TS]

  making this is not there's no reason it has to play out them like your writing [TS]

  the script is the type of thing you think about like you know where you want [TS]

  to go and you have to have a series of events that leads naturally to you need [TS]

  to check your protagonist into course of action down to nothing was nothing was [TS]

  forcing over everyone have like an appointment to get do I it's not it's [TS]

  not even that hard to think of something very close where you are and this is one [TS]

  of those things that if you guys remember but I remember even as a kid [TS]

  that the fan magazines had rumors that if there ever if they ever made the [TS]

  prequel trilogy that the way that Vader got the way he was and the whole [TS]

  reference to you know last we met I was but the learner now I'm the master you [TS]

  know these guys knew each other [TS]

  was that you know there were rumors all the way back then like 80 81 that it was [TS]

  some kind of lightsaber duel and obi-wan the lava yet what's something something [TS]

  they did you know be one gave my ass kicking any moment so just make it an [TS]

  edge in a cliff or something like a volcano and you he cut off his arm is [TS]

  lightsaber falls to the ground and he falls into it and he did it [TS]

  intentionally or unintentionally if I wanted to do it what I would have got to [TS]

  have a whole different movies in front of the story don't want to have happen [TS]

  is to have them have whatever underlying issue and how to play out through [TS]

  through a lightsaber thing and have basically have a B-one try and fail to [TS]

  save him from the lava think like that is not like he he liked him into love [TS]

  than a second thoughts and try to save them like the fight led to a situation [TS]

  in which an again was gone was going to have was going to fall lava and the [TS]

  battle was over you on trying to save him and push him into lobby and then you [TS]

  have what he needs to the dark side and from physical demands write what you [TS]

  want the conflict to be if you want the conflict to be that can feel like he was [TS]

  betrayed by Obi Wan than you could have it be like you know trying shown that he [TS]

  was betrayed you want to come up with something different like I love it I [TS]

  don't know it depends on how you want to play out but already written a thing [TS]

  where he has to survive and he's also and obi-wan has his say those things are [TS]

  already set so you haven't cut off his hand is Sabres their underground he [TS]

  falls in the pit and he's gone you know she's not jumping down into a lava pit [TS]

  to make sure the guys dead he just assumes its debt and somehow he still so [TS]

  powerful he's got the dark side he can keep himself alive in a lava pit even [TS]

  while he's getting all burnt up there you go you're done you probably also I [TS]

  would want to know that he's still and know that He has failed to save you know [TS]

  like biggest did he knows like hiding the only things I like the idea of being [TS]

  a thing and then slowly it's you know that's what happened I wouldn't be tired [TS]

  a lot of it is from from Lucas from the family but who cares it's like Lord of [TS]

  the Rings the first and see [TS]

  like anything we were established anything that involves like a pratfall [TS]

  slapstick lost my balance and it's such a God imagine they dropped to look at so [TS]

  yeah someone bumped into my guess is we're going on a shooting so the whole [TS]

  the whole prequel trilogy I feel like it mostly in hindsight it's [TS]

  a like fanfiction asked trying to write in as many coincidences as possible he [TS]

  mentioned don't see see see 3 p.m. made by a boyhood you know and even know who [TS]

  he's clearly as we've seen through all of the movies is right off the assembly [TS]

  line is like others like him and he was not very imaginative child looks exactly [TS]

  like the ones you like but somehow we didn't have the outer shell for you [TS]

  noted Django fat we always killed Boba Fett he was a badass so we can't stop [TS]

  around his father and then we'll say that he's also that cool fat guy he's [TS]

  the parent of all the clones [TS]

  template clone 0 that's horrible it seems like to getting away from that in [TS]

  the well who knows I i dont even if you could listen i'd safe flight number two [TS]

  is turning the Jedi from these like martial artists who are masters of [TS]

  subtlety to superheroes like it just suddenly jumped from you know like these [TS]

  guys who specialized mostly in like going unnoticed I mean that's what it [TS]

  does to shut down the reactor being it's it's awesome it's so cool in the first [TS]

  movie the way over low know how he deals with the same people to just makes it [TS]

  crazy he doesn't go slow and there's this totally cool seen you know super [TS]

  cool scene where there's the two storm troopers by the tractor beam controlling [TS]

  you seen the new TK 421 is pretty hurts quite as Han Solo is what's the model [TS]

  name of the sky jumper that he's talking about whatever they give you seen the [TS]

  new the new Camaro [TS]

  it's just a cool scene and it's a nice little it's like George Lucas when he [TS]

  made films for humans it's like you know what has probably talked about you know [TS]

  spaceships and stuff like that then in all he does is make like a little noise [TS]

  like they hear something has gone person that's where the generals did and then [TS]

  the whole trilogy its established that they're like Marvel superheroes and [TS]

  going out that deadline of you know I thought in the clone wars with you from [TS]

  there I never thought of it like they would generals anything I just got [TS]

  together and they happen to be sorry I did but I didn't think that they were [TS]

  commanders of troops known and I didn't think that they were outside of the [TS]

  weird general commensurate I just thought that they would happen to be [TS]

  part of the army [TS]

  you can have you know the people certainly a possibility but like when I [TS]

  when I was a kid but I thought of them you find out what I pictured was [TS]

  fighting in the way that the fight and that they were pilots of you know [TS]

  explains or whatever and they were shooting things with guns and flying [TS]

  expertise around in that that happened to have the force maybe gave them a [TS]

  little bit better pilots that's how they were operating within the machinery of [TS]

  the war as young man as a warrior of the type that's maybe a black people but [TS]

  when you need to get to the honors thing going you can put a bunch of priests in [TS]

  robes [TS]

  round and you're gonna make normal and you're gonna have a lot of them they're [TS]

  they're no longer special and you have to embrace that to a degree that the [TS]

  prequels didn't feel comfortable embracing like it's as if you had a [TS]

  movie in which one person had a gun and it was a big special thing are you [TS]

  thinking the gunslinger series guns are a rarity whatever and then you do [TS]

  prequel to them where everybody has guns if you get everybody has guns you have [TS]

  to do it like Saving Private Ryan guns are not part of the story at all it's [TS]

  just normal and you move on from it very quickly on to whatever the actual story [TS]

  is the story is not can you believe all these guys have gunmen now we know they [TS]

  are like it's normal you have to have another story there that's the story of [TS]

  you know a dramatic thing happening and we're gonna have enjoyed running around [TS]

  the Jenna can't be that special you have to have another story takes place in [TS]

  people's happened have lightsabers in the same way to be completely agree and [TS]

  one thing that I always liked about star was that a fuel has been sort of between [TS]

  over the years is something that sets it apart from Star Trek and Star Trek each [TS]

  alien species each race has prescribed set certain values and cultural aspect [TS]

  to it [TS]

  klingon warriors the trickier traders humans are vaguely fleshed out the [TS]

  Romulans a duplicitous [TS]

  Falcons are logical and I had always thought and I think it stems from the [TS]

  from the cantina sinister was that these are just a bunch of people hanging out [TS]

  islands like it's even have credo can be a hassle but that doesn't mean that [TS]

  everybody looks like we do is going to be about how to kill people [TS]

  well you've got the hots that are all gangsters suppose I could not in the [TS]

  movies movies that don't see it as Jabba the Hutt about you mentioned that the [TS]

  huts run the show sure but I mean that could be a maybe the hot [TS]

  his family I don't know yeah exactly maybe this is an end but that's what I [TS]

  mean about its been slowly between of the use of this notion of Lake this [TS]

  grouper species Act's in this way and there is a nice touch like that Star [TS]

  Wars say nice things about the prequels in the Phantom Menace one of an against [TS]

  childhood friends is a yes he's actually gonna tell you do I really do [TS]

  oh yeah that's right I tried to forget that it's David the Jedi Council [TS]

  invented the United Colors of Benetton every single story through and one of [TS]

  them including whatever you it is one thing you should not have the late [TS]

  singer I never thought I was eight years old when I was like no you know when it [TS]

  whenever it came out not have done it doesn't [TS]

  before I was after Jerry trying to figure out if you re can be the Emperor [TS]

  and it was always like he didn't fight he's he's just he's beyond that Canada [TS]

  level doesn't matter to him he definitely people in pieces i i couldnt [TS]

  agree more house so proud Jonas and I were talking about star was quickly and [TS]

  I was so proud of me he said [TS]

  Jonas came up with the same thing he thought you shouldn't have had a [TS]

  lightsaber because in the first trilogy the Emperor dinner and would not be cool [TS]

  if like the top dark side guys so powerfully doesn't have a lightsaber and [TS]

  the top flight side guide [TS]

  looking like an elegant looking weapon for a more civilized age and any weapons [TS]

  they're dead and insect secondarily even if you're going to say okay he doesn't [TS]

  he shouldn't fight like a pinball bouncing around in my seat once you're [TS]

  gonna have tried to fight with a lightsaber that's really is only viable [TS]

  strategies to be a little devil whirling dervish because otherwise I like the [TS]

  bend down and even like social you down there somehow he should be so powerful [TS]

  if he does have a lightsaber that it's like it would be like his his battles [TS]

  would be like that the first battle between obi-wan and very slow very [TS]

  simple and it's like he's just it's a mistake to give a brief you do give them [TS]

  on that you go with the the anime cliche today also doing samurai movies where [TS]

  it's like to motionless people standing facing each other then there's some [TS]

  flash of action than one guy falls apart he's been sliced in half [TS]

  yeah like I wouldn't do it should be a fun and the frenetic pace of his [TS]

  lightsaber just just reeks to me like they they were so hobbled when he was a [TS]

  practical and backed by the limits of puppetry and it's so hard to make him [TS]

  even like walk right and they had like seven puppeteers working Yoda [TS]

  simultaneously so the eyes could move on his mouth moved in it's a fascinating [TS]

  you know back story of how they made that Yoda puppet as realistic as they [TS]

  did include they had trouble making him eat soup and the first and make him [TS]

  believable and then all of a sudden they come to George Lucas and they're like [TS]

  well as a computer-generated effect he can do a stripper somersault right over [TS]

  Count Dooku has led the other way they look as wanted to see him fight with [TS]

  lightsabers yeah yeah I yeah I blame George Lucas entirely [TS]

  that it was a bad idea you know that he saw no beauty in in the economy of the [TS]

  limits of as a practical no it's shit doesn't even like the hope the whole [TS]

  philosophy of the force has expressed an empire which is Lucas's least favorite [TS]

  movie which is it varies as you surprised now I just hadn't heard that I [TS]

  mean now I mean I'm stay still [TS]

  explicable because it's not that I don't think he doesn't like the shining is [TS]

  that the shining is so different from the book is like this is not an [TS]

  adaptation I think my book is good in this movie is a different movie I think [TS]

  he would admit that the shining is a good movie but he would say it's vaguely [TS]

  know actually he's said that the tibetan but because he doesn't think it under [TS]

  seat he's he's a fan of like typical horror movies like he likes darkness he [TS]

  likes surprises he'll appreciate psychological hard to resist that it's [TS]

  now it is it doesn't capture anything about his book that he feels like [TS]

  there's value in my book of his movie captures none of it is true that [TS]

  captures different value that is not in the book [TS]

  yea well actually we know the answer if you guys ever seen his shining [TS]

  yea well actually we know the answer if you guys ever seen his shining [TS]

  series for ABC which starred the guy from now because he was angry at him the [TS]

  guy from think I found you can see what he you can we see we we know what [TS]

  Stephen King thinks is a good film and I think it's good but at least its faith [TS]

  more faithful to the bucket and I know he likes it that tells me it's basically [TS]

  like this is based on the book in the same way that blade runner's based on to [TS]

  Andrew's Church yeah yeah yeah [TS]

  source center and its good anyway whatever they've heard today but I don't [TS]

  get to her anyway yeah so no I'm not surprised by it is listed one that that [TS]

  boggles my mind that it didn't turn out the way the way like that's a reason to [TS]

  start taking over a little bit more control in jet I even told control the [TS]

  prequels is that he was distracted by you know building his empire and like [TS]

  the success of stars that whatever that he basically had outsourced and he [TS]

  didn't wanna director of the movie was so exhausting to start the book it's [TS]

  yeah JWU Rinzler their huge hard covers 14 New Hope 14 Empire 14 Jedi their [TS]

  beautiful giant hardcover book can also get eBook version and they're a long and [TS]

  there's tons of stuff in them about the making of all these movies have the [TS]

  first to complete that now but despite a private jet as as annoying as he works [TS]

  are that the integrations the stop motion animation of the discount workers [TS]

  into the forest seems is it is just like the top of the highest level the peak [TS]

  bunch of model station sculley's that it was going to be CG and I was like this [TS]

  is you know that the most money the most experienced the people who know how to [TS]

  do it best during the kind of battles that they could have only dreamed up in [TS]

  a new hope and then after that I was basically like and no one will ever top [TS]

  that because everything else after that will be CG that space finds it is good [TS]

  but it's a different context based on is ever going to spend a blue might like [TS]

  the you see it from the front of the cockpit of the developed in like you [TS]

  said swim firefighters coming at you or even just the thing where they were they [TS]

  you know flip over to go into little tunnel into the motion control camera [TS]

  moves that you know that they didn't just do the straightforward easiest [TS]

  thing they wanted to which is why is great in the force awakens trailer their [TS]

  ridiculous camera moves and tracing the that's part of the start the start [TS]

  more as an aesthetic is that unlike for example Star Trek ships going to fight [TS]

  like naval things within a movie which is cool but it's not the same thing [TS]

  different stores it's like everybody flies fancy like everyone does [TS]

  everything like the hard way it looks cool because it looks like why do you [TS]

  have to spiral twist around when you go into this is the camera fault because it [TS]

  looks exciting dramatic I like the way that on parks in the ass over his [TS]

  parking spot and then doesn't really matter he's got like you just know that [TS]

  his signature he does not fly casual and and the fact that you know if you think [TS]

  about how the most control with all these models was done for Jedi you know [TS]

  everything all shot several whatever the way that space battle was choreographed [TS]

  the different things that happened in it and so that you get coherent action it's [TS]

  just a minute it's easier to do it as easy as you go plan the whole thing and [TS]

  you put the camera with models you got it she added to individual model doing [TS]

  its thing and then knowing you put them all together is gonna make one coherency [TS]

  don't sound like you can move the camera to a different position and tried from [TS]

  here like you get it you get a sense of speciality that [TS]

  and then the thing is to have you don't realize it but if you go back on that [TS]

  with a stopwatch and see at how much time during this space battle scene are [TS]

  models on the screen and it's incredibly song is so expensive and time-consuming [TS]

  to do spend a lot of time seeing people's faces and stuff like that and [TS]

  the trick is how do I make a coherent battle scene where I can only show the [TS]

  models for a total of like 10 percent of the of the battle time because it's just [TS]

  so damn expensive and so every camera every shot of models has to be like in [TS]

  this scene is like three story boards we have to see big ship big ship move this [TS]

  way [TS]

  desktop fire ship scattered and the message is getting here is the test are [TS]

  active it should ship ships are scattered in this scene yes no like and [TS]

  you get like three seconds of screen time to convey an entire movement a [TS]

  bunch of people's faces and talking and stuff and then you get three more [TS]

  seconds of ships moving and what happened during that one shot ships [TS]

  moving the other one its communique by the people talking by the interior shots [TS]

  by a black bar yelling or whatever but it still always together and it's [TS]

  exactly don't show the shower you make do with what you have to make do with [TS]

  what you have and you say how do I make this coherent when I know that I can [TS]

  only show that the ships flying around the screen for frankness every 10 [TS]

  seconds versus like you know episode 39 everywhere that brings me to my man I'm [TS]

  basically just using you as my therapy at this point the battle at the end of a [TS]

  new hope to take this as history is brilliant [TS]

  you can tell what's happening you know the rebel ships are now holding pattern [TS]

  similar but the death stare and they keep going on changing hands in [TS]

  effectively getting cut down whatever so basic it's great and there's a there's a [TS]

  map and the rebel bases that shows how close is it is it is think about it we [TS]

  can go across the galaxy but the last 10 metres we have [TS]

  doing whatever let's fight for artistic life and the same thing with like the in [TS]

  broad strokes a very large space station which they were well it weren't careful [TS]

  you know it wasn't designed for a test for an attack like this and this kind of [TS]

  attack is going to happen to typical underdog type story we're going to [TS]

  tackle the small number of people were gonna go through the exhaust like [TS]

  insurance works in broad strokes but the most important thing is like you said [TS]

  once you've established stuff even if the idea that there's a trench there's a [TS]

  target told you it is going to make a bunch of runs at it and it's going to [TS]

  look cool because changes to this is exactly what this is america it's about [TS]

  the battles as portrayed in movies that battle makes sense [TS]

  granted you know you did gerry has it done design then you know everything [TS]

  that you said the Battle of Hoth makes perfect sense kind of I don't know how [TS]

  jumping out of the hand waving of like why can't we just bring these things [TS]

  down well as a shield and the perimeter and the rebels are fighting a holding [TS]

  action they have no illusions win but the fighting a holy action mostly [TS]

  ineffective but they standard range and it's dark blessing is good the kinda [TS]

  crazy [TS]

  attack crazy little bit of the insurgency thing I think it would work [TS]

  if those guys which is working that would work because you could picture [TS]

  with a stone and it would you know you be laid down in the way that in the [TS]

  first movie The Empire overlook the possibility of hers being something to [TS]

  worry about [TS]

  there is an implicit racism to the Empire because everybody knew umpires [TS]

  example you can see them overlooking and really if they had a bigger budget or CD [TS]

  basically what they may not realize many occupying forces don't realize that you [TS]

  are vastly outnumbered by the new technology is being used as slaves and [TS]

  then lick overthrow the way more interesting things you could have done [TS]

  them anyway didn't but that said at least a battle make sense and certainly [TS]

  the the space engagement makes a lot of sense [TS]

  totally it's a trap it and it works because they have a plan to execute on [TS]

  their plan their plan does not go as planned because that is the typical you [TS]

  know any type or types scenario where you battle seem to be dramatic you can't [TS]

  simply execute your plan and win in the end you have to have things are going [TS]

  badly we thought this was going to be a plan to turn them over here is the [TS]

  entire row and parsley to attract between the Imperial fleet and an [TS]

  entirely operational gesture not a good place to be a little of his band but [TS]

  let's go totally well I would say this is the first trilogy that's it takes [TS]

  place over roughly six years which is what the movies took place in real life [TS]

  to make them takes place over six years that the three movies spend an [TS]

  inordinate number of most of their time on the most interesting things that [TS]

  happened in the whole galaxy in those six years the space battles that took [TS]

  place word monumentally important historically and the personal scenes are [TS]

  about the most important people in the galaxy in that time right [TS]

  now go to the original trilogy which takes place over like more and more than [TS]

  60 people yeah it's like 20 something like seven and then he's like at the [TS]

  beginning of it there's a gap there's a galactic Senate and there's a Jedi Order [TS]

  that seems to be ordered in a number in like the thousands and by the end of it [TS]

  tired jet orders wipe down then the republicans replacement empire they [TS]

  spent like a grand total of like two and a half minutes on screen showing the [TS]

  Jedi Order wiped out and you know the Empire just says he's the emperor so [TS]

  they they just the most interesting things that you would think they would [TS]

  show over the trilogy they discovered about two and a half so ok the battle in [TS]

  Phantom Menace won the gunman's [TS]

  boring because you fighting on a flat plane but what if you get the shields [TS]

  and it's kind of cool in a weird Roman challenge kind of way until until it [TS]

  falls apart [TS]

  that throwing big glowing purple balls yeah I could starts out kinda cool when [TS]

  they start applying the army's his flight in the field given this kind of [TS]

  level attack on the Windows XP exactly and you know the idea that they're [TS]

  fighting droids that you know if their control ship goes off their heads so [TS]

  this space rental is inane completely in going after what the control she ate and [TS]

  it's stupid and and and and if you get lucky [TS]

  so that can't touch and even can't even tell you a little about the UIC Germany [TS]

  the gunman's or anybody Chrissy do you expect to get shut down and the other [TS]

  hand you establish them as characters like capturing and bringing them back in [TS]

  discussing them being convinced by 3 p.m. that he's a god and I think it [TS]

  works in their favor that you can't understand what they're saying because [TS]

  he was the guy who got he was like an explosion that goes off in the one he [TS]

  walked yeah he rubs the other one [TS]

  yeah it's getting it's getting a bit but at least it's at least there some sense [TS]

  that there are serious and you could win but using sunscreen that's that's [TS]

  something in the second one we have to be in a new beginning of the Clones [TS]

  whatever I don't talk about that does not make sense what they did how dollars [TS]

  Genesis walking there I don't know why would you I'm not arguing tactic but if [TS]

  I was five hundred yet as I would not walk into the middle of an amino [TS]

  everything can just shoot me so honored to have you know Roman Colosseum good [TS]

  guys versus the Lions type of thing yeah big stadium the only the only cool so [TS]

  about that is that vietnam helicopter gunship coming in with all the storm [TS]

  troopers basically shooting other magazine Canada 2010 China extract that [TS]

  that's the only thing like I don't care about you decide of these battles like I [TS]

  vaguely know that the good guys the guys I know they're gonna do like the one of [TS]

  the good guys using storm troopers in that weird but you don't care it's just [TS]

  a bunch of things it's it's like many other [TS]

  more than that but it's more than that they get tackled tactically stupider as [TS]

  the movies gone so as you say dust off their land and the end up taking squads [TS]

  of Stormtroopers and the stormtroopers of decline troopers are a finite [TS]

  resource have been cloned over 10 years against an advancing Jordan me and what [TS]

  do they do they just run at them they just flat-out run at a bunch of robots [TS]

  that we've seen it a factory pumping them out by the hundreds like it's it's [TS]

  it's the George Lucas is a min the entire movies the idea and everybody [TS]

  succumbs especially older people but the idea that the well I'm not everybody [TS]

  mean James Cameron has the Droid armies obviously going to be inferior to even [TS]

  clone because living things are so much smarter than juries in this message [TS]

  because it will cover and shoot at the dumbass robots do like you so many [TS]

  droids enjoyed it even the gunman's can defeat them and when it's the clones [TS]

  versus the droids even those effect returning them out obviously the living [TS]

  things and I think they're much more likely and reasonable scenarios the term [TS]

  there was like no the machines because they're really good yes that would be my [TS]

  it's like at least take cover that's why the living thing wins because it's got a [TS]

  sense of self-preservation effectively and here's where we get to where I want [TS]

  to just murdered I don't see a lot so that's ok [TS]

  is a chic the working and third movie and the droid army is coming and for [TS]

  whatever reason the droid army has decided to cross the lake and land on [TS]

  the beach and the beach is covered on two sides by elevated kiss and on the [TS]

  top of the cliffs are a bunch of clones with machine guns [TS]

  and on a trench on the beach are a whole bunch of rookies with all of them and [TS]

  then the dragster coming and as they get onto the beach the wookies in the trench [TS]

  what do you think they do they jump up I would have to change and run at the work [TS]

  he's in the water and landed the droids and wonder why would you jump out of the [TS]

  trench [TS]

  it it's it's horrible it's like it is it is it's the most likely scenario of [TS]

  assaulting a Dexter with multiple fighter squadrons into such a simple [TS]

  scenario where it's like these living things should probably not jump out of [TS]

  cover why would the trench I've often said about like the Roger Moore Bond [TS]

  movies that he he gets you know like when he gets captured and is facing [TS]

  seeming certain death he doesn't even seem perturbed he's not worried sweaty [TS]

  and he say he acts as though a character who's read the rest of the script and [TS]

  knows he knows he's getting out of it I get take the woodies we read that we [TS]

  don't have a good analogues for the starter kit enables samurai sword and so [TS]

  the analog analog for infantry this plenty of Alex then depending on what [TS]

  you wanna do they just chose not to do anything like the Lord of the Rings [TS]

  thing you do medieval [TS]

  formation of you know it's a candidate in detecting Lord of the Rings movies [TS]

  including The Hobbit ones and everything like they did a reasonable job of saying [TS]

  here's something looks vaguely like it might have been done by large standing [TS]

  armies with whatever they may be protective parents but shields that you [TS]

  serve your your Bowman and the use of cavalry and mounted things and there's [TS]

  plenty to choose from Star Wars like they do have trenches like they were [TS]

  doing that you know how serious is that they're like to a certain point I like [TS]

  ok [TS]

  here's the setup but rather than trying to sort of model footage from similar [TS]

  large infantry battles will just do whatever things the most dramatic and [TS]

  two of these leaping from the barricades [TS]

  it's it's it's been out it might complain with that is it I don't know if [TS]

  those who care about anything is going on there well that's it I think more and [TS]

  more investment and yes exactly I think you might have had the acted in any kind [TS]

  of way to make any kind of sense though I think that's probably characters least [TS]

  10 PCs but whatever the extras in Empire Strikes Back that you are more [TS]

  interested in any of those working control button that fires said that can [TS]

  it do you the Edit leg in Empire Strikes Back that was a battle that was [TS]

  happening around here so we can do that they had at the end of July as well [TS]

  survey survey of conflicts happening across the galaxy not involving anybody [TS]

  care about that express the idea of we've given this order and everywhere in [TS]

  every planet and we checked out there are being killed and so it's like a [TS]

  survey of like this but these people are finding that does not make a movie that [TS]

  is a documentary ken burns like you have to you have to have investment in the [TS]

  conflict and you can briefly show that maybe something else is going on [TS]

  elsewhere like they do this in disaster movies like in the beginning to show [TS]

  that the crumbling of civilization but that's just like a brief aside to the [TS]

  main story can't be the climax can't be a survey of battles happening on other [TS]

  planets [TS]

  devices to save the good guys bad guys in front of people everywhere and we [TS]

  will tell through music user whatever which side is winning I don't care as [TS]

  anybody here that I care about where are my heroes like imagine if the first and [TS]

  only time we meet sunny godfather [TS]

  two minutes before he leaves and goes through the death scenes they wouldn't [TS]

  show the movie for killed in a revolving door [TS]

  killed that we care about sunny in the tollbooth because we've seen him in two [TS]

  hours and we've seen him before [TS]

  act out of bad temper and you know we don't want to be as kind of a bad guy [TS]

  but was still kinda like you know and it's become a national plan is old [TS]

  people dying it's because we realize is the culmination of plan we know who [TS]

  those people are we you know and we understand how he is coordinated all [TS]

  this to happen when he is he is it someplace that essentially untouchable [TS]

  while it's going on and by the time he gets out at all settle right to hire [TS]

  three movies showing the wrong stuff and developing the wrong stuff and then just [TS]

  rushed through therefore with no emotional impact whatsoever [TS]

  these characters who should develop we had three home movies where they could [TS]

  have developed this assay 6 generalize who in the course of three movies could [TS]

  have been made into real characters with varying flaws and personalities and then [TS]

  they die at the show even if you do or you just show whatever is happening to [TS]

  the characters be supposedly care about and have them have been established to [TS]

  be I care about the Jedi and have them here that are dying elsewhere you don't [TS]

  need to show them because if you can have here as in situations when they [TS]

  find out that bad things are happening elsewhere but you don't need to show the [TS]

  bad things to show that my main characters care about this therefore I [TS]

  care about it but it's not so how do you feel about the execution of 66 cause I [TS]

  thought that was actually one of the most effective [TS]

  I you know there should have been a musical you know like one of the column [TS]

  that is not a Segway the motiva I I keep thinking about goodfellas when when he's [TS]

  trying to get the cocaine asserted that any of that [TS]

  like it but you have to have you can if you have a better movie leading up to it [TS]

  how you communicate that a coordinated attack is taking place with essentially [TS]

  you know like The Manchurian Candidate like go to get us and they all just do [TS]

  this or that they all know this order and they killed the general fine you can [TS]

  you can do that we need to show the people who care about that we care about [TS]

  these people and these people care that all the Jedi that's what you need to [TS]

  vote but it did kind of work it was it was ham-fisted but we had seen many of [TS]

  those Jedi do stuff for at least being in the back on line they SAT around a [TS]

  table they they they helped out and some other movies and now they're now they're [TS]

  getting done they played said music but it's just like yeah and something done [TS]

  can do at that point yeah yeah [TS]

  which brings us to the end of love that movie and it's the whole end of the [TS]

  whole trilogy is the whole reason that the truth that prequel trilogy was even [TS]

  made which was to set up the middle trilogy which was already established [TS]

  and had to therefore had to leave as in place and had to explain certain things [TS]

  the whole point of this is the whole point this is the only reason that the [TS]

  prequel trilogy was even made a written and it makes no goddamn sense so let's [TS]

  just say let's just give it up that all the most of the Jedi have been [TS]

  extinguished the dead execute order 66 killed him but obi-wan in Europe and [TS]

  they figure out what's gone on the November so why in the world would they [TS]

  split up why wouldn't they either a go get go after I would I would suggest [TS]

  that the first thing they should do is go after Anakin together well I think [TS]

  maybe instead of that point at least a non-factor know they decide Yoda's goes [TS]

  before a wee ones gonna go even after the end when they view on what they can [TS]

  say that doesn't make any sense either but before that when they decide who to [TS]

  fight if they decide we should get the Emperor first they should go together if [TS]

  they decide we should go take care of Anakin either see if we can turn it back [TS]

  to the good side or do something with them why in the world with him makes no [TS]

  sense whatsoever not the only conceivable rationale is that if you [TS]

  actually buy space and taking both of them may be counter something but I [TS]

  would like it if you have to do it you know like that while I i mean even says [TS]

  on stage and screen and then you the sense now go do it why would you [TS]

  basically said that but then even given the asinine nature of their let's split [TS]

  up even though there's only two of his left hand [TS]

  you know right now we have we could have the element of surprise and goat if [TS]

  there's any chance that one of us could be the Emperor surely we have a better [TS]

  chance together we could do it right now even if you take that just let him do [TS]

  that and say you don't fight the Emperor and obi-wan fights Vader and things he [TS]

  kills even then afterwards you find out well obi-wan did almost killed later and [TS]

  left him deformed into my crippled and Yoda at least 5 p.m. prior to a [TS]

  standstill and then they decide well well now we'll just spent 20 years [TS]

  teamed up and taken at the imperative [TS]

  regular unit did remain closed as part of their plan wasn't ok you go take a [TS]

  look at a tween hiding from the Emperor as they turn into the Jedi that wasn't [TS]

  the plan either be there keep your eye on them but they waiting for their what [TS]

  was their plan for victory right at the moment that they split up and went into [TS]

  hiding [TS]

  they both had fought the wanted defeated the other and OB wanted soundly defeated [TS]

  Vader and Yoda had fought the Emperor to a standstill I would say and certainly I [TS]

  would say given any thought into an almost an still if they went after him [TS]

  together obi-wan and you you you know I like their chances [TS]

  hope comes in an empire what what those movies say is that checked out here he [TS]

  had a colossal failure institutional failure to deal with the whole you know [TS]

  he he was he's failed in it he thought he could you know ahead of the light [TS]

  side and you know he's basically not in exile but he's like he's given up he's [TS]

  gone too often live in the woods right now he's checked out right and obi-wan [TS]

  same thing he's a crazy old man who lives out in the both of them are like [TS]

  we are defeated this is a great shame the best obi-wan can do is to make sure [TS]

  Luke continues to hide from the amber hope he never exhibited any force powers [TS]

  keep him down on the farm and then the very least you can say at least I'm [TS]

  keeping these kids safe but the Empire's one we are defeated we have no plan for [TS]

  victory at the end of stupid episode 3 [TS]

  they're not in that headspace they're not so massively defeated and so crushed [TS]

  by their own personal failings that they check out entirely from the conflict and [TS]

  say well this is never going to change was gonna go out somewhere height and I [TS]

  exactly exactly I just assumed even as I was suffering through those prequel [TS]

  trilogy like something's going to happen at the end of this that's going to leave [TS]

  obi-wan and Yoda both like morally defeated and instead they both left like [TS]

  oh my god we were so close like if you're going to kill him and he was [TS]

  right there you could have killed them know he was still alive [TS]

  agencies like the bundle just wanna leave the room now when I see you later [TS]

  the movie I'll be genuinely surprised I do I do kind of understand the notion of [TS]

  not wanting to murder which is effectively what it was but then you say [TS]

  exactly you the same for once he catches fire maybe walk back down an embankment [TS]

  and just like I'm not going to kill you but if you happen to live in a little [TS]

  farther 1901 to his sister and I hated that fight between you and the infer [TS]

  that was awful [TS]

  yeah I like when you walk in and just just totally destroyed the two Emperors [TS]

  a fun guy to watch fight because he's kind of ugly and he even if he was fine [TS]

  when the 4G data showed a loser in the Jetta showed up your best him I was fun [TS]

  with that because I like the fact that he actually would I could see him using [TS]

  a lightsaber because we'll AAA eighties night night so it's not that obscure but [TS]

  I also like the notion that he's just hasn't quite reached that level of [TS]

  enlightenment that he doesn't need one you know always strikes me as somebody [TS]

  who's just before the israeli member seemed kind of like kind of Fair Oaks [TS]

  and like when member and you're fighting you it was like using the force to move [TS]

  heavy things in the empire [TS]

  as you know the landing at least he gets he gets thrown off his nails get stuck [TS]

  into the question why I never seen a good Jonas and I have talked about that [TS]

  a lot so that we never even mentioned to me I love Sanjit exactly oh wait what a [TS]

  waste of him [TS]

  yeah what a waste because he's awesome and you could have been a bad kind of [TS]

  weird Vendetta is also into Star Wars he wanted to be in the movies in what he [TS]

  was given as like he just a bad job at the winery is he had no reason to the [TS]

  character character has nothing to do he doesn't seem like a bad assets just like [TS]

  how can send Jackson not seem like a bit like he seems more than anybody else [TS]

  because everybody else is completely so there is a cool thing in that scene [TS]

  where they go to confront the anywhere in the Emperor just jumps at them with a [TS]

  weird fighting style like you said Farrell is perfect and I love the way [TS]

  that he killed four of them in like 10 seconds like he's so badass and there's [TS]

  never been a lightsaber fight every other lightsaber fight we've ever seen [TS]

  up until this point was dramatic and had ebbs and flows and even like when du [TS]

  coup in the second movie was kinda dominant over obi-wan and Anakin it took [TS]

  him awhile took a while to cut off and contain it took him a while to get [TS]

  obi-wan whereas the Emperor's boom boom boom I mean they daylight down over the [TS]

  fight scenes in a fight scene in western movie is about fighting styles like a [TS]

  classic movies about technique and I'm gonna learn the tiger technique in my [TS]

  technique is better than your technique and I'm going to train in a monastery [TS]

  like your home for good movies about fighting techniques the fight can't be [TS]

  about who is a better fighter the fight has to be something else and in the case [TS]

  of the end the embargo on the part of that fight the most dramatic is the [TS]

  Emperor is revealed he's revealed in a sudden fashion to people who are there [TS]

  are surprised that he's revealed that is not about how exactly he defeats as [TS]

  people have [TS]

  amber vs units not about who is stronger who is not the fight always has to be [TS]

  about something else because again unless your movie is a kung-fu you are [TS]

  you're actually concentrating on fighting styles you always have to have [TS]

  the fight be happy about something else inside because that's what happens when [TS]

  we're not like otherwise you'd have a movie where people have a conflict have [TS]

  a long drawn-out sword fight in the winner of the sword fight when's the [TS]

  movie that can't be what the fight is about the fight has to be about [TS]

  something else and they just have to happen to be fighting to work out [TS]

  whatever else it doesn't mean that you have a conversation the whole time the [TS]

  late Princess Bride style or anything but they do the fight has to be about [TS]

  the fight that particular fight is about I am revealed this is me about your [TS]

  surprises old guy can do the same here I am and quickly kill them in one and once [TS]

  that is done the fight as well so here's the thing that any I totally agree with [TS]

  you and I think that goes back to the point is to make it the battles is that [TS]

  you know without anything any skin in the game just really doesn't matter [TS]

  really the only character that showed up to arrest palestine was when do the [TS]

  other guys were just fighting to prove that I quote this get serious and sure [TS]

  enough we dispatch them and and you know they didn't didn't matter that the [TS]

  actual fact to win doing and property manager is actually pretty good fight I [TS]

  did today was the only the best part of the whole thing at stake [TS]

  certainly Windu represented the old-school strict generator and [TS]

  Palestine was is it my interpretation of the way that scene when was that mace [TS]

  Windu is indeed a bad as maybe he's even more powerful than Yoda disease at least [TS]

  I will be I want to be a swordfight of them may 2010 massive something like or [TS]

  maybe they definitely shout out to win due to be like always held in that [TS]

  whatever the company's yeah yeah there is one that shout out sort of props when [TS]

  do I is being a badass and if you get one of those but Sam Jackson the actor [TS]

  could not gonna body doubles forever he just looked kind of old and tired I like [TS]

  the way you move that because I kind of like the idea that I mean he hasn't [TS]

  really been well actually just some fighting the second one I was going to [TS]

  say I liked it because it was less frenetic and you could just sort of see [TS]

  them my interpretation ya know my interpretation of the scene though is [TS]

  that when do actually actually got the better of him and Palpatine was not [TS]

  sandbag he was desperate and that the only way he could save himself the only [TS]

  way he could completely if he could complete and against turned to the dark [TS]

  side either he could turn it back in and have a mannequin you know knock window [TS]

  out the window of his arms every did first [TS]

  or he was dead Palpatine was a loser his only chance had nothing he couldn't be [TS]

  mace Windu in the fight he'd lost so the only way he could win was to complete [TS]

  any win due to failure of the filmmaking that it's not clear that a little bit [TS]

  just because that's kind of his demo you know it's hard to say hi again that's my [TS]

  take but I have to admit that the other take that he was sandbagging and he [TS]

  could've [TS]

  up the force on when do at any moment you know in my reading it was him [TS]

  explain he was shooting the force lightning at when due and when do it [TS]

  successfully blocking it with his lightsaber and his dad when he got [TS]

  deformed and you know that was him like to Pete depleting his own life force I [TS]

  don't think he wanted to be disfigured it wasn't like it was his true form is [TS]

  not a shapeshifter he was like wrecking himself because he was so desperate you [TS]

  know he was giving it everything he had and even everything he had wasn't enough [TS]

  to to be if only because again he different himself but I'd really do [TS]

  think that it's just it's just a condemnation of the filmmaking that it's [TS]

  ambiguous because this at the same level when you know the combination in Return [TS]

  of the Jedi it's all very clear what the stakes couldn't be in 2011 the company [TS]

  also gonna be the best you could say both of them came two drawers or maybe [TS]

  makes that upper hand but that doesn't make sense in the context of the labor [TS]

  is the idea that the Emperor is the top of the heap on the dark side and you [TS]

  would assume one on one member could take out any of the single light side [TS]

  people simply because the dark side you know more powerful but like in terms of [TS]

  killing people you know how do you get to be well we also do not have to be [TS]

  depending if he gets more powerful you know like I don't know why is that is [TS]

  the question is is the Emperor the end of Return of the Jedi [TS]

  more powerful than the Emperor and if so who knows who cares I would say yes I [TS]

  think so to get like more powerful as they had twenty years to get maybe not [TS]

  with his later but at least with his you know his research into being able to [TS]

  talk about that at the Opera that's a great scene well it's it's it's really [TS]

  do to stop people from dying did you ever care about somebody maybe should [TS]

  slow but it's it's tense it's an opera which I thought was kind of interesting [TS]

  stuff like and the actor what's his name is one of the better actors deliver the [TS]

  regret saying you know in the toilet bowl in which its winds it's actually [TS]

  pretty it's pretty great isn't it so telling though the like in the first [TS]

  trilogy the original trilogy everybody was at least clamoring for these [TS]

  backstory prequels well how did Vader get like this how did and again turned [TS]

  to the dark side whereas after the prequels nobody was like well how did [TS]

  they learn to be assists while he was in a new hope we're like the offhandedly [TS]

  mentioned certain things like clone war Mir mandel you know all these things [TS]

  like they lay these little seeds like are you could flushes out forward or [TS]

  backwards what seats relating the prequels it's like time began in the [TS]

  previous there was nothing mentioned in the prequels about things that have [TS]

  plagued its biggest that's not that's actually spoken in the thing is not like [TS]

  you know something casual [TS]

  right like the one and only thing I can think of that I kind of wanted to know [TS]

  more about was this I have to thank you for being a nap is dead none of that [TS]

  makes it was a Jedi who somehow Commission building a new post is him [TS]

  too much exposition too much plot happening around like the structure [TS]

  isn't sturdy and hanging tinsel and ornaments all over the freakin thing [TS]

  until it's just a big giant mess and it's like you don't have good bone [TS]

  structure and strong it's gotta be hundreds of thousands wait for me see [TS]

  just appears and lactic Republic is a cool that's mind boggling that doesn't [TS]

  matter what the clothes and even if it's not a matter of what it's like saying if [TS]

  you want a standing army made entirely of identical twins it would be ok [TS]

  anybody shares their genes but he even a guy like Dooku who has in broad strokes [TS]

  sounds like an interesting guy was a real jet I turned to the dark side left [TS]

  the or each you know when big deal he's an extra day do that so that makes me [TS]

  think the texturizer think yeah that's some guys leavin get whatever they did [TS]

  ya going to be home in broad strokes if you just defined the character before [TS]

  you showed me the movie I would think that's an interesting [TS]

  to know more about him than you watch the movie I am NOT interested in the [TS]

  least bit in this broad caricature of well I have something for you [TS]

  yeah he's a robot with forearms and eight letters I like the idea of taking [TS]

  lightsabers from here he worked well in that cell animation when they were [TS]

  talking about at the top of the show I like their character and then I saw him [TS]

  and interviewing many thinks he's hopeful it's just he was just empty he [TS]

  was just empty bad guys and they even the idea of having a respiratory [TS]

  problems later [TS]

  you know it's just I do like the way he's dispatching with a blast [TS]

  cute you get a collection of it yeah that was a kid but it wasn't bad you [TS]

  know well and it raises the question of how many how many one-on-one doors can [TS]

  you really what that last movie devolved into is just one after it was pretty [TS]

  hilarious that previous two starts should be despite the fact that any kids [TS]

  good doing it despite the fact that can shut up to his injury like you can [TS]

  escape its like you to pieces I'm pretty sure I'm doing pretty good year like he [TS]

  jumped into the ring of a hundred joins and then just you know chopped up the [TS]

  bag and the bad guys still giving him shit like you know if you turn it back a [TS]

  little bit so there's there's Darth Maul there's Count Dooku there's grievous and [TS]

  even the Emperor himself you got four major bad guys in a whole trilogy and [TS]

  there's one of them who I would like to know more about you know [TS]

  how he came to be known you can combine them all into geography maybe maybe [TS]

  maybe but I still think it's kind of Egypt today just duplicated [TS]

  Sun yeah alright I think we've gone on long enough [TS]

  this is Ben everything I could ask for more it's a true Holiday Spectacular [TS]

  yeah sponsors and Dan Moren deficit [TS]

  sorry for not getting out of the greenery now I want to thank our [TS]

  sponsors we had casper we had fracture and we had back please this is John [TS]

  Syracuse English thank you very very much for thanks a lot of stories to [TS]

  cover you know we're still here but it's very good will come back for part two [TS]

  or Empire day [TS]

  all right thank you guys [TS]