The Incomparable

245: Incomparable, Assemble!


  the incomparable number 245 make 2015 [TS]

  welcome back everybody to be [TS]

  uncomfortable podcast I'm your host [TS]

  Jason smell and this is a very special [TS]

  edition of the uncomfortable we all went [TS]

  well all those who are going to be on [TS]

  this episode went together and watched a [TS]

  film in a movie theater and now we are [TS]

  gathered around the table eating pizza [TS]

  and drinking that various beverages to [TS]

  discuss with you [TS]

  avengers age of ultron his age is very [TS]

  low he was just created the other day [TS]

  joining me on this field trip an [TS]

  adventure are the following wonderful [TS]

  people Tony sindelar is here hello Tony [TS]

  I just that yeah are you not gonna go [TS]

  get you moved on pasture catchphrase and [TS]

  I'm i'm not a machine [TS]

  Oh fair enough John Syracuse's here [TS]

  hello John going out of order you've got [TS]

  us around the table literally and you [TS]

  just skipped well there's there's [TS]

  there's I got reasons there's moving [TS]

  microphones around all right it's like [TS]

  typing is around like around his piece [TS]

  of technology you go opposite corners [TS]

  that way all lines up by the time you [TS]

  finish we've already learned several [TS]

  lessons including you need to talk into [TS]

  the microphone or nobody can hear you [TS]

  and we're completely out of order Dan [TS]

  Morgan is also here hi Dan [TS]

  hi Jason welcome to my fine home thank [TS]

  you thank you for inviting us or for not [TS]

  turning away when we just barged in I [TS]

  tried there was no option yeah Andy and [TS]

  I know you heard earlier not talking you [TS]

  didn't hear earlier not talking into a [TS]

  microphone now he will talk into a [TS]

  microphone hello I'm sorry I'm not used [TS]

  to being in such a fine fine environment [TS]

  for podcasting as this sofas tables i'm [TS]

  usually just there within my own filth [TS]

  on your on your in Lonesome email you [TS]

  all may remember Andy from that episode [TS]

  of the uncomfortable where he said that [TS]

  the Avengers was a b-minus movie and [TS]

  everybody lost their minds I a 20-2 [TS]

  literally you said b-minus b-minus the [TS]

  phrase it's a good lights on a level of [TS]

  a transformers move on thats that's what [TS]

  i think i lost my I think that was it [TS]

  matter that's what I tried to reach [TS]

  through the microphone and that doesn't [TS]

  work and serenity couples also hello [TS]

  hello i'm eating pizza right now [TS]

  well aren't we all but that's that's [TS]

  part of the fun that's part of the fun [TS]

  of of of the age of Ultron the age of [TS]

  Ultron includes pizza Ultron supports [TS]

  pizza so we saw movie it was the [TS]

  Avengers had lots of stuff in it [TS]

  anybody want to get started with some of [TS]

  their impressions about the age of [TS]

  Ultron tony do you have any thoughts [TS]

  Tony's giving me the stink eye [TS]

  do you do that all the time when I ask [TS]

  you questions and you just can't see it [TS]

  yeah you can see it that's my Jason's [TS]

  talking voice so I well I just saw it so [TS]

  I'm still processing it but i enjoyed [TS]

  it's time for a podcast about products [TS]

  concerned about putting man was you know [TS]

  it was your pretty standard exciting [TS]

  lots of CGI action movie things lots of [TS]

  robots getting destroyed so people who [TS]

  are robot may not want me this movie [TS]

  you may have you may be upset that [TS]

  trigger warning for people who love [TS]

  robots right so let's let's talk about [TS]

  that you talk about the explosions and [TS]

  things blowing up i think that might be [TS]

  a good place to start [TS]

  one of the things that struck me about [TS]

  this movie is it is it is a summer [TS]

  blockbuster economy right so there are [TS]

  lots of explosions and things but Jason [TS]

  I would say the stuff that happens in [TS]

  between the explosions is probably more [TS]

  interesting and possibly better [TS]

  that's what that's what i was going to [TS]

  get at is I i am i am happy that there [TS]

  were not give that man a microphone [TS]

  I'm happy that that there are explosions [TS]

  because movies with explosions are fun [TS]

  that said I i think the I think the [TS]

  strength of this movie that I felt was [TS]

  that I i we know these characters we've [TS]

  seen him in a lot of movies there were [TS]

  interactions that were helped by having [TS]

  a history with the characters they they [TS]

  uh there were some funny interactions or [TS]

  some interactions that I liked I I [TS]

  enjoyed that in the moments sometimes I [TS]

  see movies like this that are [TS]

  blockbusters and in the moments between [TS]

  the explosions I am just bored and [TS]

  wanted to go to the next explosion and I [TS]

  didn't feel that in this movie now Andy [TS]

  and I coach holding a microphone so he [TS]

  I'm now I see the rest of my time to him [TS]

  know i just i was i I like this more [TS]

  than I like the first movie and because [TS]

  we really were all the podcast is over [TS]

  here yeah it's not because I'm getting [TS]

  free pizza out of the people that get [TS]

  out of the first time that I saw them to [TS]

  you [TS]

  yes a little disclosure i'm in the [TS]

  pocket of deep and completing that [TS]

  yeah but yeah i did like remember that [TS]

  the one I really didn't like about the [TS]

  first one was that I was sincerely bored [TS]

  to tears two-thirds I just completely [TS]

  had checked out and friend i still think [TS]

  this movie had a lot of problems but I [TS]

  think with the reasons why i did like it [TS]

  more was that they were a lot of these [TS]

  moments where they're going to say [TS]

  there's gonna be no explosions we're [TS]

  going without without any spoilers of [TS]

  any kind [TS]

  we're gonna have a [TS]

  lot of rich scenes and which characters [TS]

  get to really get inside their own heads [TS]

  and have conversations and that's when [TS]

  this movie got really interesting for me [TS]

  yeah i agree that John what do you think [TS]

  I'm giving my opening statement but if I [TS]

  had one it would be it's a very little [TS]

  time to prepare an opening statement do [TS]

  things well I didn't realize he was [TS]

  using he was in a car is writing where r [TS]

  SS card so that blue car what i told you [TS]

  at the end of the movie is exactly what [TS]

  I felt when I was watching the movie [TS]

  this is the giant fu de zack snyder and [TS]

  Superman sounds like the beginning like [TS]

  only taken a couple of jabs at him [TS]

  actually another jab actually not [TS]

  actually the main theme of this movie [TS]

  because he's making Superman movies [TS]

  wrong let's save people in the in the in [TS]

  the cities and worry about the little [TS]

  people [TS]

  let's do it together it great yeah and [TS]

  so but I know when I was 14 and the [TS]

  second impression was that boy there are [TS]

  a lot of things this movie there's a lot [TS]

  of characters yeah a lot of things [TS]

  happen it's just a tremendous amount of [TS]

  stuff and seeing it the second time i'm [TS]

  looking at how they put it together and [TS]

  like its amazingly jandals crap in but [TS]

  at some point it's like you have too [TS]

  many characters you have too many people [TS]

  in this movie you have too many things [TS]

  taking place and I think they did an [TS]

  admirable job of sewing it all together [TS]

  but i don't know if you can sustainably [TS]

  make a really great movie with this much [TS]

  wrapping it at one point is this a [TS]

  completely different John right i mean i [TS]

  read a couple articles that that weren't [TS]

  reviews but said it's kind of like [TS]

  watching an entire season of a TV shows [TS]

  and boiled into a movie and I understand [TS]

  that the first cut of this movie was [TS]

  more than three hours long and included [TS]

  way more character stuff and they just [TS]

  cut you can't make a movie that long and [TS]

  so i can actually would like to see that [TS]

  but but at some point in the shandra you [TS]

  are selling your ticket you're selling a [TS]

  ticket in a movie theater you can't do [TS]

  the seven hour long Avengers that would [TS]

  probably be pretty good because it would [TS]

  then be a joss whedon TV show me serious [TS]

  yeah absolutely i mean i actually think [TS]

  despite the fact that this movie is [TS]

  jam-packed full of stuff they really did [TS]

  do an admirable job at making it a fun [TS]

  interesting movie to watch like I think [TS]

  about some of the other you know really [TS]

  big ensemble movies that kind of fall a [TS]

  little bit more flat on their faces or [TS]

  certain characters don't get shaded out [TS]

  or flashed and I'm like I'm looking at [TS]

  this movie and some of the characters [TS]

  that we really haven't seen get enough [TS]

  screen time [TS]

  Hawkeye being one of them actually gets [TS]

  a fully fleshed-out backstory in the [TS]

  middle of all of this insanity and I'm [TS]

  like wait how did that just have we have [TS]

  the following 12 other people were [TS]

  battling robots we have time to learn [TS]

  about like what he's like behind the bow [TS]

  and arrow like and linda cardellini when [TS]

  did she become a mom figure I remember [TS]

  when she was just a little high school [TS]

  kidding freaks and giveaways goddamn [TS]

  bargain for MVP of this movie because a [TS]

  yokai got totally unreal like he got the [TS]

  shaft in the first movie not perish oh [TS]

  thank you thank you i'll be here always [TS]

  but i think that you're told here all [TS]

  week because you think about Scylla here [TS]

  well you know it's the flipside of [TS]

  putting up you know a lot of people [TS]

  looked at daredevil on netflix and said [TS]

  like this reads like a 13 hour movie [TS]

  well obviously reads like a three-hour [TS]

  TV show right like that's kind of I [TS]

  totally agree with you Jason that this [TS]

  is kind of a different genre in that way [TS]

  and it felt like if they could convince [TS]

  stars that big and get a budget that big [TS]

  for TV they would have done it on [TS]

  teacher or netflix and maybe some point [TS]

  in the future that will be a thing [TS]

  because Netflix seems to be really [TS]

  interesting programming I don't know I [TS]

  thought maybe they should have just made [TS]

  the four hour long version and cut it [TS]

  into and sold two tickets for it that's [TS]

  the plan for the next one it's not a [TS]

  movie everyone it's not it's not a film [TS]

  right it's part of an extension like the [TS]

  Harry Potter movies which felt like [TS]

  episodes of a TV show [TS]

  yeah but the Harry Potter movies you [TS]

  they are like they are explicitly saying [TS]

  this is ace one story in seven parts and [TS]

  if you start with part one and again [TS]

  truck on through that you'll get the [TS]

  whole story [TS]

  my problem with the but my overarching [TS]

  problems with today's movie was like [TS]

  with most Marvel movies [TS]

  coherence is not their focus is not [TS]

  there there are times where i was saying [TS]

  on the way in that I would I wish there [TS]

  were a way you could buy ticket to [TS]

  adventures where I will give them fifty [TS]

  percent of whatever it would have cost [TS]

  me to buy all the tickets to all the [TS]

  other movies I need to see all the other [TS]

  dvds i need to go through to understand [TS]

  everything that's going on in this movie [TS]

  like okay so she'll doesn't exist a mark [TS]

  was Hydra and why does that not do [TS]

  anything and make feet wet with next [TS]

  theory how come he's not in ok [TS]

  it all makes sense but you do have to [TS]

  have seen captain america the winter [TS]

  soldier and investment you know they [TS]

  have like a blank check in this movie [TS]

  that's the problem like the feeling you [TS]

  get with these movies is like I really [TS]

  Jason I feel like this is unsustainable [TS]

  you can't keep doing this like this i [TS]

  think this is the limit [TS]

  it's amazing that they that's because [TS]

  the next Avengers movies going to get [TS]

  cut into alright well you're right but [TS]

  yet because it's too much stuff and the [TS]

  second because it's a blank check its [TS]

  not harry potter it's not a series of [TS]

  books as going to have an arc or [TS]

  something it's like like check Marvel [TS]

  Universe well if you look at comic books [TS]

  right that's open-ended let's go for [TS]

  hundreds of issues when you do that no [TS]

  you can't you can't absolutely [TS]

  this isn't a comic book this is a movie [TS]

  the user interfaces you will get one [TS]

  unit of entertainment for ten dollars or [TS]

  two and a half hours assignment I and [TS]

  this is what i'm saying is i like the [TS]

  ambition of it like that Marvel really [TS]

  is saying what if we push this into [TS]

  something that I mean and yes the its [TS]

  commerce to the first movement billion [TS]

  dollars but it is the ambition of like [TS]

  what if we can tell these stories over [TS]

  many many movies but it it's no longer a [TS]

  movie at that point and I i really [TS]

  enjoyed it I i think that having the [TS]

  history of seeing these characters in [TS]

  past adds to your appreciation of them [TS]

  like serenity said you know seeing [TS]

  seeing clint barton and his family [TS]

  it's he's helped by that remembering him [TS]

  in the first movie being kind of a [TS]

  zombie for most of the movie he gets a [TS]

  lot of character service at this time [TS]

  and that's really great to see and I I [TS]

  enjoyed all the characters that that's [TS]

  nothing that i will take away from this [TS]

  movie more than anything else is that [TS]

  that Joss Whedon did a really good job [TS]

  of making every moment with those people [TS]

  when they weren't blowing things up [TS]

  matter in some way and as a fan of Star [TS]

  Trek I remember like in Star Trek three [TS]

  they're like well we gotta give her [TS]

  something to do [TS]

  she'll put a guy in a closet but by [TS]

  threatening to shoot him with a phaser [TS]

  and and it's so hard to service those [TS]

  seven characters and here they have like [TS]

  a billion characters and yet somehow I [TS]

  feel like they did a decent job of [TS]

  giving them all some stuff to do and [TS]

  some funny lines and some character [TS]

  motivation and that's it that's a neat [TS]

  trick in the context i feel like this [TS]

  very similar to the first movie in the [TS]

  sense it's like it's a big corporate [TS]

  Fandango where everywhere it's got a [TS]

  million characters and how could this be [TS]

  entertaining and answers oh actually [TS]

  given this structures here did a pretty [TS]

  good job you know given the track record [TS]

  I'll call sign they're blank check more [TS]

  or less like I think it's okay to have [TS]

  the sort of open ended it goes on [TS]

  forever type of thing but I think the [TS]

  problem [TS]

  home with the Avengers as an idea as a [TS]

  franchise is that is necessarily the [TS]

  superhero movie with a whole bunch of [TS]

  superheroes in DC ever gets their [TS]

  justice league thing they'll have the [TS]

  same damn problem or x-men right next [TS]

  one I think it works better because that [TS]

  kind of their techs minutes one universe [TS]

  my family like several interactive noun [TS]

  right but you can't like the individual [TS]

  Marvel movies I like Captain America the [TS]

  individual movies better than this movie [TS]

  like all the individual ones i like i [TS]

  like better than it's like instead of [TS]

  putting all the other you less than the [TS]

  sum of the parts i'd rather see movies [TS]

  focusing on because if you have just one [TS]

  movie about Captain America get to enjoy [TS]

  captain america my seam here I like yeah [TS]

  like that guy from the movies great [TS]

  captain america but the same is true I [TS]

  don't you know I like environment he's [TS]

  great iron man and maybe I like scarlett [TS]

  johansson is a black widow too but like [TS]

  another on the same movies flowers the [TS]

  other to get up you know me like and [TS]

  that i want to see like if you want to [TS]

  do this if you want to take like hey we [TS]

  have all these great guys and movies [TS]

  let's put them in this thing without go [TS]

  together you need to do is a TV series [TS]

  you can't put them on a single movie now [TS]

  I mean they're trying to get those [TS]

  moments where they interact with each [TS]

  other because they are the stars of [TS]

  their own movies now get to interact [TS]

  with each other and that can be very [TS]

  funny Thor really was well handled in [TS]

  this movie to that you get the whole [TS]

  thing with the man he doesn't do a lot [TS]

  he gets to be quickly but he's not real [TS]

  but yeah he has no he has no arc which i [TS]

  think is ok because many of Thor's [TS]

  movies bore me to tears so that he [TS]

  introduces the ark for Avengers 3 and [TS]

  the next year's of Marvel and that's [TS]

  pretty gay to everybody I mean that is [TS]

  pretty huge an unfortunate is it is [TS]

  narrative dressing and he and someone [TS]

  has to be the person to do it but I [TS]

  think the way and that that was all set [TS]

  up was very well done where I like the [TS]

  fact that we get introduced to i forget [TS]

  what was the actual name of scarlet [TS]

  witch was her character named one yet so [TS]

  I heard assemble that we get introduced [TS]

  to a lot of few potential future events [TS]

  through windows [TS]

  I you know psychic brain alterations and [TS]

  the fact that we finally get a name for [TS]

  the Infinity stones and it's the [TS]

  infinity gems and it said and it's like [TS]

  oh yeah this is a thing [TS]

  this is dangerous heads up everybody [TS]

  remember those things that we've seen in [TS]

  previous Marvel movies this is gonna be [TS]

  a problem and then we get a mid-credits [TS]

  scene of oh yeah this is really going to [TS]

  be four [TS]

  problem you know and so I don't know I I [TS]

  feel like despite the fact that it was [TS]

  super packed every single member of the [TS]

  Avengers had a qualified arc mostly I [TS]

  mean I'm still kind of I rolling at both [TS]

  Natasha and the Hulk in terms of like I [TS]

  actually think that was very sweet i [TS]

  think the the romance ark was done very [TS]

  well but you take that out and I'm like [TS]

  okay what actually what what is [TS]

  natasha's arc here aside from a couple [TS]

  of really awesome black widow flashbacks [TS]

  now i really want that movie that's [TS]

  never gonna come because holy crap [TS]

  um that those those few moments I was [TS]

  like oh man I just yeah that would be [TS]

  beautiful but yeah and then you get [TS]

  Bruce Banner we we talk about the [TS]

  lullaby and we talked about a couple of [TS]

  other things I'm like when did all of [TS]

  this happen because I've seen all the [TS]

  movies and none of this is a thing this [TS]

  Hulk doesn't get his own movies either [TS]

  anymore now in that chance that wouldn't [TS]

  be a great movie The Black Widow Hulk [TS]

  underground we should do that mr. you [TS]

  said come between administrative netflix [TS]

  from the search the search for the Hulk [TS]

  honey I'm Hulk but you put your problem [TS]

  hakkasan movie The Hulk smash it was all [TS]

  these two of his own meets everybody's [TS]

  match you hit upon one of the things i [TS]

  like so much more about this movie the [TS]

  last 1i thought the last one that [TS]

  Natasha was sort of the 21st century [TS]

  version of a poorly drawn female [TS]

  character where she really is there to [TS]

  be strong and a Buttkicker and have no [TS]

  different no depth whatsoever and not a [TS]

  catsuit the zip up to the neck [TS]

  whereas i feel as though they real they [TS]

  they allowed her to show weakness and [TS]

  then go over her weakness and show why [TS]

  she is so good at her job you can only [TS]

  do that by throwing this character [TS]

  character into situations in which that [TS]

  you don't know if they're gonna be able [TS]

  to get out of that ok and that's [TS]

  something that was that was brand-new I [TS]

  think for this movie you can roll your [TS]

  eyes at the well okay we're prepared [TS]

  these two characters together in Tasha's [TS]

  expressing romantic feelings for Bruce [TS]

  Banner but but it was the what was good [TS]

  about it is it was a pathway into some [TS]

  character understanding for the Black [TS]

  Widow which I really liked where she [TS]

  says you're the guy who tries not to [TS]

  kill people and everybody else I know [TS]

  tries to kill people [TS]

  I like to have [TS]

  her like in the captain america movie in [TS]

  particular Winter Soldier she was laid [TS]

  off as like her whole thing in the [TS]

  beginning was like he playing you or is [TS]

  she not can you trust her if you're [TS]

  really on Nixon very secret mission over [TS]

  here in this movie she was allowed to be [TS]

  vulnerable like for the first time where [TS]

  you where you didn't think the movie was [TS]

  trying to fool you into thinking that [TS]

  she wasn't really like it was legitimate [TS]

  and what she had was doubts about her [TS]

  job like maybe I could go live someplace [TS]

  else and not kill people for a living [TS]

  and talking about how you know that fact [TS]

  that she couldn't have kids made her [TS]

  think well I guess I'd better just [TS]

  killed you know that's there are two of [TS]

  them are like you know we should blow [TS]

  this popsicle stand like that we don't [TS]

  want to be in the Avengers anymore [TS]

  they're their particular down and drama [TS]

  is private from everybody else which i [TS]

  like more or less and that it involves [TS]

  something non-superhero it's like you [TS]

  know this is my grave knowing i saving [TS]

  the world i also like that we spent so [TS]

  much time in this case with the two [TS]

  normal human characters right both Black [TS]

  Widow and Hawkeye get a lot of screen [TS]

  time and a lot of story and both of them [TS]

  were under utilized in the first movie [TS]

  and we've seen at the standalone movies [TS]

  for iron man and for Captain America and [TS]

  forth or and so in some ways it's ok if [TS]

  they don't get as much screen time [TS]

  because i started going to because Tony [TS]

  Stark is always going to be the prima [TS]

  donna and but it's nice to see the [TS]

  characters who don't get their own films [TS]

  we actually get a while urgent [TS]

  screentime kind of felt like this was [TS]

  the first time that Black Widow and [TS]

  Hawkeye get to have basically wants and [TS]

  needs and are just being sent places by [TS]

  Nick Fury yeah you know like they get to [TS]

  actually do stuff and have interested [TS]

  turns out you know Quinn's been doing [TS]

  stuff on the side for a long time that [TS]

  now we have to find out about that he's [TS]

  not just I'm being sent places by Nick [TS]

  very Island arrow and explains his his [TS]

  loyalty to Nick Fury to that is like [TS]

  it's that he's at this thing out in the [TS]

  country and that that seen as it is it [TS]

  is important dramatic structural thing [TS]

  right that is the they get their butts [TS]

  kicked they have to recede and lick [TS]

  their wounds and think about what [TS]

  they've done and then realize they've [TS]

  got a new plan of attack and and uh I [TS]

  like that I like that scene and I like [TS]

  the fact that the Hawkeye is a has a [TS]

  family and all that in there i also like [TS]

  that it's the it's that disconnected [TS]

  like we can literally can't be [TS]

  superheroes right now we just need to be [TS]

  people mr and yeah and I thought that [TS]

  was I thought that was fun and effective [TS]

  we will continue this conversation mode [TS]

  right now i'm gonna live in a room with [TS]

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  all right now normally i read that and [TS]

  then people just keep talking but now [TS]

  we've had a pause so I have to I have to [TS]

  throw something else out there did [TS]

  people have more of a topic i judge john [TS]

  siracusa please give us your topic [TS]

  that's what i meant to say all line [TS]

  Johnson says there's a lot of this is a [TS]

  big movie a lot of stuff and a lot of [TS]

  the movie talk about mechanically and [TS]

  one part i was interested in is how they [TS]

  do the action scene out how they shoot [TS]

  them and I've been watching a lot of [TS]

  YouTube videos from people about doing [TS]

  actions different ways and what do you [TS]

  guys think of the actions you how [TS]

  personal how would you categorize these [TS]

  and in the continuum of like old style [TS]

  movie vs modern shaky-cam versus a [TS]

  million cuts horrible i thought the [TS]

  action scenes were mostly terrible [TS]

  there's no sense for me there was no [TS]

  sense of rhythm or flow there's no sense [TS]

  of geography [TS]

  there was no sense of purpose to the [TS]

  scenes was basically explosion sexual [TS]

  aspect explosion of special-effects so [TS]

  many times my neurological reaction was [TS]

  to basically put both my hands up just [TS]

  like Huh What [TS]

  okay so who's shooting what women had a [TS]

  black widow get there but I just I was [TS]

  just so lost by a lot of the special a [TS]

  lot of the action see I don't think [TS]

  they're well we'll handle it all [TS]

  I I don't think in some ways I don't [TS]

  think they were quite as good as the [TS]

  first movie in terms of the way that [TS]

  they were shot and like the mechanics of [TS]

  them some of them are quite spectacular [TS]

  and I i did not have nearly as negative [TS]

  impression of things and you did but i [TS]

  do think that at sometimes it was hard [TS]

  to follow some of the action because it [TS]

  felt like there are a lot of cuts there [TS]

  was i I give you heard there was the [TS]

  geography and sometimes did feel a [TS]

  little bit lacking from that right from [TS]

  that opening fight all the way through [TS]

  the last one last one is is obviously [TS]

  weird because you'd like a gigantic [TS]

  set-piece right that's like all right [TS]

  last time we did in New York City now [TS]

  we're doing like this gigantic like [TS]

  floating Rock you know so i felt that [TS]

  got geography was a lot clearer in the [TS]

  floating Rock I felt like yeah it's that [TS]

  was down a little and there were some [TS]

  very clear provocative action happening [TS]

  out that I didn't feel earlier in the [TS]

  film where with the problem is you know [TS]

  Ultron is and we can maybe talk about [TS]

  Ultron a little bit [TS]

  Ultron is a collection of robots and [TS]

  collective noun and obvious obviously [TS]

  has some of his earlier perhaps robots [TS]

  were not very good because they can like [TS]

  shoot them a couple of times and they [TS]

  die they're like zombies or [TS]

  stormtroopers exactly think they're [TS]

  based on stormtrooper technology because [TS]

  so do you have like a Hawkeye punching [TS]

  an Ultron robot in the face and oh my [TS]

  god destroyed a bunch of the face by hum [TS]

  yeah yeah so my kind Barton punches you [TS]

  in the face you're going down my friend [TS]

  but I felt like I felt like we haven't [TS]

  earned the title of Ultron man if I had [TS]

  destroyed the planet five times over [TS]

  because we want realities you Andy yeah [TS]

  so it's over so far anyway I did feel [TS]

  like being on the floating rock was a [TS]

  little bit clearer [TS]

  yeah i mean it was unclear although it [TS]

  did take me about five to ten minutes [TS]

  into that fight to realize that they [TS]

  were all on the floating rock and some [TS]

  of them were on the city below which is [TS]

  what I initially thought it happened [TS]

  because there was a hole i can remember [TS]

  if it was Captain America or someone was [TS]

  like alright those of you on the ground [TS]

  do that [TS]

  yes and I I think eventually it was oh [TS]

  yeah because I was little I there too [TS]

  because there was a hardware they were [TS]

  evacuating the city but then there seem [TS]

  to still be tons of people in the center [TS]

  of the city right is already over the [TS]

  religious center [TS]

  didn't you have a scene where you want [TS]

  to alleviate here from there and you [TS]

  literally take part of the ground and [TS]

  rip it out you would think that would be [TS]

  the easiest way and yet haven't seen [TS]

  this movie twice i can tell you it's [TS]

  confusing [TS]

  who's on what side of the thing and who [TS]

  like I don't know how they managed to [TS]

  blow that because that's the easy one [TS]

  also by the way when you have a health [TS]

  carrier and you're trying to evacuate a [TS]

  a floating Rock what you do is you move [TS]

  the helicarriers of close-up are looking [TS]

  like landscape you move it like the [TS]

  landing strip right up and butt up and [TS]

  then you have the superfast guy just [TS]

  move everybody right on like on a little [TS]

  loading dock you don't send really tired [TS]

  now you don't send really delicate [TS]

  little like hover parties back and forth [TS]

  no no you don't have pictures page of [TS]

  logistics since we're talking about this [TS]

  thing though and we brought up before [TS]

  about how much of it seemed to be like a [TS]

  middle finger towards towards the [TS]

  superman movie I kind of dislike I kind [TS]

  of just like their approach for opposite [TS]

  reasons that where Superman is we're [TS]

  gonna tear down this entire building and [TS]

  we're not gonna care like what was [TS]

  inside it and there's there is an actual [TS]

  shot scene in which oh my God look at [TS]

  that 10-story building to scan for [TS]

  life-forms there's only three people in [TS]

  there and they're all home together [TS]

  fully consider them and we're not going [TS]

  we're not going to let this floating [TS]

  city destroyed until we get every last [TS]

  person of these thousand people only but [TS]

  there's one kid we need to get we missed [TS]

  one kid [TS]

  yes so you know IIF it's very [TS]

  unrealistic but I actually we watching [TS]

  this movie and i have seen those Exner [TS]

  film but are not the next is home but [TS]

  the the previous Superman I don't [TS]

  necessarily think it's so much a nephew [TS]

  to Superman as I think all of the [TS]

  Avengers have PTSD from what happened to [TS]

  New York but there that's that's where [TS]

  that's what i was getting the major vibe [TS]

  from that especially start especially [TS]

  well yeah well yes Tony Stark has quite [TS]

  a visual PS PTSD which we see both in [TS]

  this movie in another movies but I I [TS]

  really feel like the impetus to like no [TS]

  one dies today you know the Doctor Who [TS]

  style vibe is very much [TS]

  because they're all very aware of how [TS]

  the world sees them post new york i have [TS]

  to say um and this is a one of the [TS]

  reasons i like a movie like Cloverfield [TS]

  is that I felt like it was the it was [TS]

  the first really look like a post-911 [TS]

  Godzilla movie and was like what happens [TS]

  when you blow up buildings we know now [TS]

  and it's not all fun [TS]

  I i feel like the 10-story construction [TS]

  site for the that they that they plowed [TS]

  into with Ultron I thought that was a [TS]

  little too close to home that was [TS]

  basically a 911 everything doesn't cloud [TS]

  and everything see that in the movie [TS]

  though here's the delicious was on the [TS]

  nose like exactly 11 but like you said [TS]

  we do we know how that what that looks [TS]

  like now so if the script says that they [TS]

  collapsed building the people who make [TS]

  moving on [TS]

  alright well let me know when others [TS]

  that we know what class building looks [TS]

  like it's not like 911 it's like a [TS]

  collapsed building but the problem is [TS]

  your only even need the big pile of dust [TS]

  you could have made it like the rubble [TS]

  when they could have been a little [TS]

  different instead it was minding the [TS]

  imagery of exactly what it is maybe it [TS]

  feels it feels emotionally manipulative [TS]

  yeah the way they did that to the point [TS]

  about the no casualties thing i think [TS]

  particularly we also see and this is a [TS]

  running theme i think a lot of this is [TS]

  that captain america is solidified his [TS]

  position as the actual leader of the [TS]

  team and that's very much a captain [TS]

  america thing right like he's the palate [TS]

  and he is the waffle good guy was going [TS]

  to save everybody and I think that's a [TS]

  big part of why they're so dead it you [TS]

  know determined to get all those people [TS]

  often say captain said this is what [TS]

  we're going to do we do this thing and [TS]

  I'm the boss [TS]

  that's a Hollywood movie thing to the [TS]

  shore but it looks like it works because [TS]

  Captain America is like is like a [TS]

  trouble when all the Super's I'm like a [TS]

  Western interior even going to actually [TS]

  like the original superman is like look [TS]

  you can't realistically speaking you [TS]

  can't show them saying everybody and [TS]

  realistically you can't save everybody [TS]

  but very frequently especially the old [TS]

  Superman movies our prototype for like [TS]

  superhero movies that are not terrible [TS]

  they would show him saving a slopes [TS]

  subset of people in the same way that [TS]

  movie compresses down real-time into [TS]

  like this connects sequence they [TS]

  condense the idea of saving everybody [TS]

  down to saving one or two and you can [TS]

  quibble about a special have a whole [TS]

  city is like book you save three people [TS]

  on that elevator [TS]

  how many people died when you crash into [TS]

  the building even see all that racket is [TS]

  like that's why I feel like it so much [TS]

  of it is [TS]

  the message was directed at zack snyder [TS]

  or the audience and his hands fisted and [TS]

  it's silly but like that's the message [TS]

  of trying to send it construct this [TS]

  movie to say it's super important to try [TS]

  to not kill innocent civilians when [TS]

  you're running around super hyper every [TS]

  gold and we're gonna do it in a [TS]

  ham-fisted way but that's also remembers [TS]

  about only whatever doing with saving [TS]

  cats out of trees and in cash and women [TS]

  and doing stuff I I don't have felt it [TS]

  was a little bit of a disconnect with [TS]

  the first scene when the resulting the [TS]

  hydro bunker and like that I yeah well [TS]

  apparently they don't count they work [TS]

  for hydro even though probably a lot of [TS]

  them probably just recruited from that [TS]

  town is there blowing stuff up and [TS]

  throwing motorcycles at things and [TS]

  bunkers are exploding and Captain [TS]

  America shooting pulse beams at [TS]

  everybody and like a lot of people got [TS]

  hurt like yeah captain america's like we [TS]

  don't kill people it's like I saw you [TS]

  mean like you and people were never [TS]

  gonna walk again because you're a metal [TS]

  sealed at them when I guess they're bad [TS]

  good people but in it that's tricky [TS]

  because it's like I mean those guys were [TS]

  sealed until like a couple months the [TS]

  couple and you you wait in the same [TS]

  cafeteria thing is how you do you know [TS]

  and and and the interesting thing about [TS]

  that those opening scenes which you have [TS]

  a show shots in which you know the irony [TS]

  the iron force drop sponsored research [TS]

  engineer please move along we will be [TS]

  proud to and the citizens like you're [TS]

  idiots and play centers that there's [TS]

  graffiti with like pictures of graffiti [TS]

  essential guard of iron man with dollar [TS]

  signs mark over his head and part of it [TS]

  part of me was wondering i hope they go [TS]

  into something where again I'm the [TS]

  outsider here i have not seen most of [TS]

  the other movies or the TV shows but [TS]

  like isn't that interesting that there's [TS]

  it's sort of like when after world war [TS]

  two when both the Russians in the united [TS]

  states were trying to round up Nazi [TS]

  scientists 24 therefore rocket programs [TS]

  it's like why are we supposed to assume [TS]

  that Baron Strucker of a character that [TS]

  I don't know from this movie is not a [TS]

  better caretaker of this mystical object [TS]

  why we're assuming that the Avengers [TS]

  should be having it's because he's got a [TS]

  monocle on it you know Monica ok [TS]

  14 p park ourselves model so you don't [TS]

  remember the first thing we're there [TS]

  assaulting the base just felt it felt [TS]

  like very like GI joe like we want tons [TS]

  of explosions and laser blasts whatever [TS]

  but everybody is okay and like and even [TS]

  there's something about that Jeep it's [TS]

  like they're gonna sell that cheap [TS]

  that's gonna fit perfectly with the [TS]

  action was well it feels a lot like the [TS]

  first captain america movie at times to [TS]

  where it's like oh yeah we're storming [TS]

  the not only knocks Nazis are bad yeah [TS]

  exactly [TS]

  we don't care about the Nazis but no [TS]

  Andy to your point I actually when they [TS]

  when they go into that the Avengers go [TS]

  home and then we get a little bit in [TS]

  terms of scarlet witch and her brother [TS]

  with the oh yeah [TS]

  stark bomb came in and you know killed [TS]

  our parents and nearly killed us like [TS]

  that's the thing that I wish i'm sure [TS]

  they shot it i'm sure it exists in the [TS]

  latter part of the movie but like they [TS]

  already they have their pivotal switch [TS]

  when basically she discovers what [TS]

  Ultron's plenty to do and that's awesome [TS]

  but what I really would have liked to [TS]

  see is the dynamic between her basically [TS]

  facing the the man that she has blamed [TS]

  for killing her parents and kill you [TS]

  know destroying her way of life for for [TS]

  20 years and that would be interesting [TS]

  to me that that's where we get back to [TS]

  main complaint of focus that they can [TS]

  that's such an interesting thing to [TS]

  explore throughout the movie but we're [TS]

  going to mention it but we're moving on [TS]

  yeah well I think it's clear that he you [TS]

  know I appreciate the joss whedon put [TS]

  that in there right and and I think that [TS]

  because i think that that is a good [TS]

  element and i suspect that it was paid [TS]

  on and there's no runs no errors no [TS]

  reason you've got a little shorthand for [TS]

  a lot of things rather than a few more [TS]

  fewer things more with more data [TS]

  everybody's arc has one of these things [TS]

  attached to it Tony Stark's are because [TS]

  attached to his passes an arms dealer [TS]

  and Thor's r is as much as it is [TS]

  attached to his life together creating a [TS]

  ruler and everything and to go and [TS]

  pooling why don't have enough read and [TS]

  you don't move into those lines means [TS]

  you have that one line from Ultron about [TS]

  Captain America where it's like the guy [TS]

  who always needs a war to fight and like [TS]

  to tony's point about identity that was [TS]

  his arcane yeah they're like what we [TS]

  already saw that in the first like the [TS]

  winter soldier is basically the better [TS]

  version of that flushed out it's like I [TS]

  just remind you where we were [TS]

  we're so this guy's very complacent they [TS]

  could do an entire movie with a kind of [TS]

  sort of did I didn't see three but they [TS]

  wanted to talking about Tony Stark his [TS]

  guilt is an arms dealer and the [TS]

  repercussions of like but it's just it's [TS]

  too much to fit in this movie and [TS]

  speaking of the GI Joe assault and in [TS]

  the opening set piece that's it wrapped [TS]

  around back to the how I felt like the [TS]

  action scenes were in this one I'm of [TS]

  two minds and one I totally agree that [TS]

  there they did not do a great job of [TS]

  keeping track of everything it's [TS]

  difficult to whatever but what I really [TS]

  like with the scenes believe in our they [TS]

  went all watchman and tried to do a [TS]

  comic book panel like every once in a [TS]

  while they try to accomplish by stop the [TS]

  style is where everybody syncs up and [TS]

  it's a slow motion or everybody's in a [TS]

  moment and every time I did it I was [TS]

  like you know what comes up like I mean [TS]

  watchman may have to overcome over [TS]

  whenever music swells in your life [TS]

  superheroes or superhero team of [TS]

  superheroes doing things together I [TS]

  don't think they overdid it i think was [TS]

  five but the rest of the scenes around [TS]

  that I felt like that better than [TS]

  Avengers 1 in terms of keeping track of [TS]

  where things were for the most part a [TS]

  couple of fumbles but like so many [TS]

  moving parts like it so much easier to [TS]

  do fight scenes captain america 2 [TS]

  because one guy one bad guy [TS]

  cool track even in Avengers where the [TS]

  only fight scene that involves all of [TS]

  them is the last one right like so [TS]

  everything leading up to that point is [TS]

  like smaller groups of people like Thor [TS]

  and Captain America and Iron Man [TS]

  fighting in one scene and you're like [TS]

  yeah I was a couple small things seem [TS]

  like they tried working as a team that [TS]

  combine their powers can do interesting [TS]

  things together they did all the things [TS]

  that we have to do for for I just don't [TS]

  know if a team of super superhero movies [TS]

  can work or maybe I don't know if a team [TS]

  of superhero movies can be better than [TS]

  adventures 2 and singers to was bad but [TS]

  I feel like there's a ceiling on ya know [TS]

  that that's why we said this for the [TS]

  last movie to that I feel like almost [TS]

  the praise is given the constraints they [TS]

  did a pretty good job at the constraints [TS]

  are brutal because it's just it's too [TS]

  much stuff too much has to be serviced [TS]

  you gotta move the future movies along [TS]

  you've got a service the past movies you [TS]

  got to give everybody their moment and [TS]

  you have to blow things up & what slime [TS]

  in this lady doesn't rely he flesh out [TS]

  here a hundred and twenty-five percent [TS]

  already and you haven't even started uh [TS]

  I think that's only true i had i didn't [TS]

  like the first out of the first action [TS]

  sequence was fine i think the problem is [TS]

  they were like ECG right off the bat [TS]

  they not great [TS]

  the purpose of that scene is to set them [TS]

  i mean literally and there are a few [TS]

  other things you introduce the [TS]

  Scarlet Witch and stuff and and [TS]

  Quicksilver it and hydro blah blah blah [TS]

  from previous entries they're working as [TS]

  a team and they're really good at and [TS]

  and your you but here's the thing [TS]

  it's it's long it's hard fought that [TS]

  it's complicated and and yes we get to [TS]

  see the Avengers in business again but [TS]

  the point is really to make the [TS]

  victorious so that they can go and [TS]

  celebrate and have the rug pulled out [TS]

  from under them by Ultron that's the [TS]

  point of that scene as you have them do [TS]

  that first scene so that everybody's [TS]

  feeling good and then they get brought [TS]

  down to earth and the problem is the [TS]

  scene goes on too long for that was like [TS]

  I said I wanted movie yeah i wanted i [TS]

  wanted like a like a super shiny almost [TS]

  like easy Avengers victory where they [TS]

  roll in and they're like we're so [TS]

  awesome so that they're even hikers [TS]

  clink gets injured and I gotta take it [TS]

  back [TS]

  I almost wanted them to just like [TS]

  totally dominate and have structure and [TS]

  and the and the two other other you know [TS]

  the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver like [TS]

  like a runaway then uh and be just [TS]

  destroyed by the Avengers like they just [TS]

  dominated that would have actually I [TS]

  think been better for the movie because [TS]

  it would be shorter and it would have [TS]

  made them up even higher in their [TS]

  estimation of themselves and they would [TS]

  have further to fall and instead they [TS]

  felt like they had to do another like [TS]

  almost like a climax to a different [TS]

  movie to start this movie and a movie [TS]

  doesn't really start until Ultron [TS]

  appears so it was like a wasted 20 [TS]

  minutes to and the reason that seems so [TS]

  long as we go back to what they were [TS]

  doing is the head to reintroduce every [TS]

  damn character what their hours are what [TS]

  their relationships are to each other [TS]

  like half of that scene was like [TS]

  remember this person and remember [TS]

  however their relationship with this [TS]

  person was in this person this is their [TS]

  power and you know you say it's two [TS]

  constraints the movie against Jason is [TS]

  pointing out like packing the [TS]

  seven-person team into a movie is really [TS]

  hard when you can't count on the fact [TS]

  that ok you know all these guys from the [TS]

  last one but i really did that like [TS]

  imagine so this movie had so many moving [TS]

  parts and they lean so heavily on the [TS]

  fact that you know these people are just [TS]

  reminding you usein Avengers one right [TS]

  guys like they didn't have to spend the [TS]

  time to remind you to tell you whose [TS]

  characters are there's no origin stories [TS]

  for anybody it's like just just sort of [TS]

  previously on Avengers that previously [TS]

  on Avengers takes 20 minutes now [TS]

  yeah you know and previously on Avengers [TS]

  and agents of shield and Captain America [TS]

  like just reminding you how all these [TS]

  bees like and if you caught up on agents [TS]

  of shield they even have a times with [TS]

  that it's like manly started a protocol [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  unite it actually that's that's one [TS]

  thing side note for people who are [TS]

  watching agents of shield that is [TS]

  something where I'm kind of like at the [TS]

  end of this movie what what what does [TS]

  this leave for the television show [TS]

  Avengers Academy I don't know but yeah I [TS]

  i really wish they had done a shorter [TS]

  fight sequence I feel like a lot of that [TS]

  was superfluous especially because you [TS]

  do get hints of that you get the the [TS]

  henchmen being like but they're the [TS]

  Avengers boss what do you want to do and [TS]

  I'm good [TS]

  never surrender I'm going to surrender [TS]

  yeah I'll surrender you know that they [TS]

  put it where I keep thinking about times [TS]

  we're evaluating software and hardware [TS]

  and you can see a lot of good ideas in [TS]

  there but they're just too many ideas [TS]

  crammed in there and a lot of complaints [TS]

  that I'm making a couple other people [TS]

  see me making is that we don't we don't [TS]

  need this many fight scenes we don't [TS]

  need these many details and but the [TS]

  thing is these are choices that the [TS]

  filmmaker chose to make maybe with [TS]

  pressures from outside about here the [TS]

  commercial things we have to do to make [TS]

  this work with a larger universe but it [TS]

  really is i if you I think you can make [TS]

  a really good superhero team movie work [TS]

  but you have to decide that you've got [TS]

  seven moving pieces on the field that [TS]

  means that if we get with we have 100 [TS]

  units of the audience's attention at the [TS]

  start of the movie we have to spend [TS]

  those why so we're gonna give we're not [TS]

  going to have aliens are trying to take [TS]

  over the entire world we're gonna say [TS]

  there is actually a subtle plot at hand [TS]

  that we have to figure out that's not [TS]

  going to be terribly complicated for us [TS]

  to figure out but it's a big planet and [TS]

  we can figure out which three people are [TS]

  actually involved in this and that gives [TS]

  you the ability to have two people off [TS]

  on 11 mission doing one thing three [TS]

  people often another mission one person [TS]

  thing behind to take care of other [TS]

  things it really is just seems like [TS]

  they're overloading the seven [TS]

  yeah I'm surprised we haven't talked [TS]

  more about Ultron because I feel like he [TS]

  gets kind of crowded out and it's like [TS]

  his name's in a little bit in the [TS]

  settlement I was gonna guess you can say [TS]

  since I was talking about the arson [TS]

  Iran's kind of anticipating being really [TS]

  excited about Ultron but and you know [TS]

  there are some parts of him that are [TS]

  amusing but he does kind of feel like [TS]

  it's kind of crowded out and I felt like [TS]

  there are a lot of times where I did not [TS]

  really understand why he was doing what [TS]

  he was doing his bow he was doing it I [TS]

  didn't I even when they then use the you [TS]

  know [TS]

  the gym to help with vision I was then [TS]

  confused where Ultron came from [TS]

  um because I thought enable the center [TS]

  he has a hand wavy origin anyway yeah [TS]

  it's not this device inside is a [TS]

  malevolent robot guy was right as well [TS]

  yeah I mean I got that he is an evil [TS]

  robot guy he wants everyone dead right [TS]

  Robin and I think but not we're gonna [TS]

  have this really nice but you know what [TS]

  i like about the voice acting on him was [TS]

  exciting [TS]

  I thought he was gonna be this [TS]

  charismatic villain that was gonna be [TS]

  really interesting but really he's just [TS]

  an evil robot at with many other evil [TS]

  robot standing behind him for when he [TS]

  gets knocked his plan was good I liked [TS]

  this point this plan this wedding was [TS]

  awesome as winners good right here state [TS]

  to a meteor unix is obvious option they [TS]

  handle that by saying he wants the nukes [TS]

  that was his plan he couldn't get to it [TS]

  right second plan pretty good plan if [TS]

  you want to worry about humans in the [TS]

  grand scheme of things it's better than [TS]

  like you know everyone's faucets are [TS]

  going to shoot fire my frakking United [TS]

  would not watch it a very politically [TS]

  Avengers 3 that's about the dangers of [TS]

  fracking so they're building to that [TS]

  with Skye's power is going to be yeah [TS]

  oh god I know you know it actually [TS]

  bringing up all trans brings up my few [TS]

  potholes with this film which is [TS]

  basically like I don't understand like [TS]

  as much as I love tony stark in iron man [TS]

  i don't understand how iron man operates [TS]

  one cent Ultron comes online or Veronica [TS]

  or any of that like Ultron de I you know [TS]

  conceivably goes into the internet and [TS]

  then controls all things from their own [TS]

  element but that hasn't he's having the [TS]

  planet but then Tony's like Jarvis's [TS]

  m.i.a but Tony Stark can still you know [TS]

  use all of his things and maybe I mean [TS]

  we we find out later that Jarvis has [TS]

  basically been disseminated but kind of [TS]

  in stealth mode and still like tweaking [TS]

  things under the hood [TS]

  maybe Jarvis was subconsciously doing [TS]

  all of these things but still like [TS]

  there's that and then Tony Stark uploads [TS]

  a new a new AI and his new AI can't be [TS]

  corrupted apparently but you yet [TS]

  uploaded a new AI until we've got them [TS]

  like there's a there's some hand-waving [TS]

  going on there in terms of technology [TS]

  which is odd because i found the lake [TS]

  they do such a good job of acknowledging [TS]

  other potential plot holes where it's [TS]

  like the link and the nitrogen they're [TS]

  like let's bring up exactly why this [TS]

  wouldn't work at that the plot holes [TS]

  that they don't acknowledge or just feel [TS]

  kind of blatant [TS]

  refusing to me i think i think this is [TS]

  the least explicable fall for me of the [TS]

  movie where you have his name is in the [TS]

  title you're creating a brand new [TS]

  character brand new villain and he's [TS]

  gonna be motivating everything that [TS]

  happens and at the end of the movie all [TS]

  i could think of is that the treehouse [TS]

  of horror which there's the evil crusty [TS]

  go here we go there's a switch for good [TS]

  or evil be switched him to evil he has [TS]

  to have better motivation than i'm just [TS]

  an evil robot and I have to wipe out all [TS]

  of humanity [TS]

  why because I'm not even close he needs [TS]

  more motivation to my boys when I don't [TS]

  like motivation is that it's the [TS]

  misplace motivation of and they don't [TS]

  say it explicitly having and that's part [TS]

  of the problem is the misplaced [TS]

  motivation is the only way to get humans [TS]

  stop killing each other just kill all [TS]

  know that's like that'sthat's like going [TS]

  for the tripe of I'm of like this isn't [TS]

  this isn't his but this isn't about [TS]

  Marvel but uses the the truth about I'm [TS]

  a robot but i really want to be a real [TS]

  live human okay we've seen that a [TS]

  thousand times you have to add depth [TS]

  that you have to say okay but why does [TS]

  he think that this is the choice [TS]

  why is his motivation to solve this [TS]

  problem this way why do we not get a [TS]

  scene in which he tries to investigate [TS]

  mobile [TS]

  ok so I'm here time here to basically [TS]

  get humans to be better [TS]

  boy that felt boy I can't talk to these [TS]

  people why look at these transcripts of [TS]

  these things like no I've suddenly [TS]

  instead decided that we have to kill [TS]

  it's almost like it's the shorthand of [TS]

  like what we've seen all those movies so [TS]

  we know that that would never so like [TS]

  this isn't it [TS]

  we're still working harder they're not [TS]

  it's not easy he does get crowded and [TS]

  james spader does a good job and the [TS]

  dialogue when he's on 44 Avengers movies [TS]

  like can we do something that adds depth [TS]

  and character or here's a quip well [TS]

  right now because i'm sure more than [TS]

  with shorter lips are the quips are good [TS]

  the clips are good and actually that's [TS]

  what I like Ultron is that Ultron's like [TS]

  you know he has any and the Duke lips [TS]

  are serving the purpose of saying he's [TS]

  way ahead of you right and I'll i enjoy [TS]

  i enjoy that icing up landing tastes [TS]

  like a lot of robots would be yeah [TS]

  isn't robotics plans realize you're not [TS]

  a straight and Jarvis has a personality [TS]

  and then all of a sudden you know [TS]

  Jarvis light is gone into the vision and [TS]

  all of this and the vision is like [TS]

  humanity is such a strange and you [TS]

  Johnny Chan Ultron robot or not gonna go [TS]

  with not on the haha yeah but like yeah [TS]

  it's on it's on character for an AI to [TS]

  make decisions really quickly and only [TS]

  have to explain them later and i Ken and [TS]

  he's right this is a total trope anyway [TS]

  I given any task to like save anything [TS]

  having to do with humans always goes [TS]

  through this thing make sure the file [TS]

  footage from the eighties of missiles [TS]

  going off and they go the only way to [TS]

  save the humans you are the problem of [TS]

  the plan you keep fighting each other [TS]

  fighting to get rid of you all the birds [TS]

  and the bees would just be all we were [TS]

  the monster all-around no other living [TS]

  thing on the planet would kill each [TS]

  other several all the Predators and [TS]

  other prey animals but nevermind it's [TS]

  fine you know like but anybody that is a [TS]

  truck but he but they don't show you any [TS]

  of that and I think it's precisely [TS]

  because we've seen so many other times [TS]

  student comes into being he's already [TS]

  made that this is well and he's already [TS]

  out what they do off-screen that I [TS]

  actually kind of like is that he says [TS]

  yeah I'm kind of past that now it's like [TS]

  I'm embracing the fact that i'm going to [TS]

  just take over and be evil and I'm gonna [TS]

  be I'm gonna be the new life for you my [TS]

  love interest ideas you know what he [TS]

  might it's true i thought it was a fun [TS]

  character but it doesn't necessarily [TS]

  make a lot of sense but it was a fun [TS]

  character enjoyed Spader I enjoyed the [TS]

  quips i enjoyed him being smarter and [TS]

  sorted out Tony starking Tony Stark I [TS]

  thought that was all really good so [TS]

  that's the thing that actually that that [TS]

  potentially excited me about Ultron is [TS]

  that they went they have this potential [TS]

  unexplored path where they hint at [TS]

  several times through the movie which is [TS]

  basically Ultron is more Tony Stark than [TS]

  either Tony Stark or Ultron would like [TS]

  to admit [TS]

  and it sends him into an absolute rage [TS]

  both first and jarvis and second he [TS]

  tears that blows that guy's arm off when [TS]

  he's like your intensity Tony yeah [TS]

  that's a Tony Stark har har [TS]

  there's claw that's clock Claus a bad [TS]

  guy in Marvel and he's gotta like a [TS]

  little ray gun owners arms [TS]

  totally as a result of a Menominee [TS]

  there's apparently a Marvel thing [TS]

  wherein all the facebook movie someone [TS]

  loses an arm as an homage to start worse [TS]

  like that is apparently kevin can fake [TS]

  you really like Star Wars but of course [TS]

  no arm but if but no call for any circus [TS]

  for acer eraser gets one soon frustrated [TS]

  though because again there are there are [TS]

  such hints of like this complex awesome [TS]

  character and Ultron and I would've [TS]

  loved a dichotomy of like Tony Stark you [TS]

  built a you built a robot to [TS]

  intentionally try and replace yourself [TS]

  and here is weak we get that comparison [TS]

  later in the movie right it's like both [TS]

  of them don't you know say they want [TS]

  peace and they have no idea how do you [TS]

  know whether pieces to make the world [TS]

  you know calm or destroy it and like [TS]

  that that would have been really [TS]

  interesting and their events in the [TS]

  movie yeah but it's not but it and I can [TS]

  be made this point earlier which is its [TS]

  you full credit for putting the bits [TS]

  that are in the movie but also demerit [TS]

  for stuffing it so full that you can [TS]

  actually get to the weekend we're not [TS]

  we're not were not entitled to know the [TS]

  process but I mean that's its 02 [TS]

  I'm not I I can't fault a movie if I [TS]

  think of a better story going on that [TS]

  they're not telling but nonetheless [TS]

  sometimes that happens and that's I was [TS]

  thinking the exact same thing that you [TS]

  have Ultron that's doing the exact same [TS]

  thing that Tony Stark is doing saying [TS]

  what I'm i'm going to reshape the planet [TS]

  in a way that's better for everybody i [TS]

  don't have to ask anybody how to do it [TS]

  because I've got the plan and they don't [TS]

  have the plan [TS]

  you only get in my way and that would [TS]

  put a fascinating movie that would have [TS]

  been awkward for formats like what a [TS]

  fascinating movie if they'd sort of [TS]

  picked up on the fact that the rest of [TS]

  the Avengers are like okay why did you [TS]

  not tell us you created this planetary [TS]

  threat oh come on to the next thing it's [TS]

  like again LOL others the last time i [TS]

  was there is nothing but you guys really [TS]

  fast but again if they can't get [TS]

  distracted so that the movie gets [TS]

  distracted from every ideas so quickly [TS]

  that there's just no time to really [TS]

  steep and hey guys and as much as I like [TS]

  Ultron I do feel like a lot of times [TS]

  when it's like when Ultron was like [TS]

  having scenes focused around cameras [TS]

  like yes go back to the Avengers they're [TS]

  more interesting it's like he couldn't [TS]

  you couldn't give him the time that was [TS]

  due and as we talked about all the other [TS]

  characters his mouth is [TS]

  made of metal but his lips been if they [TS]

  do leave Matt explain it's made of [TS]

  liquid metal shielding so hard at those [TS]

  placing now are they saying they're [TS]

  segmented place that gives the effect of [TS]

  flexibility and then when you're [TS]

  distracting at magnuson argument really [TS]

  getting on with our four magnets [TS]

  powerfully think you're talking about [TS]

  Ultron like how awesome he could be [TS]

  house you're describing a good sci-fi [TS]

  movie there's no room in this movie [TS]

  accident like you don't like this just [TS]

  like you we want more out of the [TS]

  Avengers long as I can we just get rid [TS]

  of all this is a pretty sure he jumped [TS]

  straight to kill all humans though [TS]

  because they could have taken because [TS]

  it's called age of Ultron they could [TS]

  have taken 20-minute time to show him [TS]

  being friendly and helpful and then he [TS]

  starts killing people like you should [TS]

  not kill people and they actually I'm [TS]

  gonna kill more people but it's like [TS]

  there's no time to do that so let's just [TS]

  move on instead because he just kills [TS]

  people right away because we had all [TS]

  these we had enough new characters that [TS]

  they could have done a movie that was [TS]

  just about altron vision and the [TS]

  Maximoff twins and that would have been [TS]

  a good movie but it's like not we also [TS]

  have to have all the end just like if [TS]

  you see a pic i had no idea who vision [TS]

  was or when they introduced in like [TS]

  seriously you're gonna do is a major [TS]

  character this point in the my new he [TS]

  was going to appear I thought he was [TS]

  going to be like in the left leg and [TS]

  allows credits yeah something not like [TS]

  we're gonna show up midway through and [TS]

  he's gonna talk and do stuff and [TS]

  absolutely shows like he I mean he just [TS]

  kind of like other than introducing a [TS]

  new character that I assume we'll play [TS]

  and in the future movies he just [TS]

  participated in the team and kind of got [TS]

  Tony Stark out of destroying the world [TS]

  again because like i did actually [TS]

  starting to look at I ok i love the [TS]

  vision know when I look at this [TS]

  treatment division is a pretty cool idea [TS]

  but again there's that there's the [TS]

  almost climactic point of the movie [TS]

  where you know they've they've got the [TS]

  cradle and they bring the to cradle to [TS]

  tony stark and Tony Stark is getting [TS]

  ready to experiment on the brake cradle [TS]

  and the twins burst in with Captain [TS]

  America being like I you can't do that [TS]

  you're good just going to continue your [TS]

  cycle of destruction and they just like [TS]

  why anyway there's a deus ex machina [TS]

  because for peers will do know it's it's [TS]

  ridiculous because what what makes you [TS]

  think that is that is the message [TS]

  oh I created Jarvis all along and jar [TS]

  you know Jarvis developed the true AI [TS]

  all along and [TS]

  didn't need the creepy mind gem and it's [TS]

  all it's all handy-dandy or is it like [TS]

  20 * stop bullying and things that you [TS]

  don't want to know like sorry now we're [TS]

  gonna do i have to add the broadcast [TS]

  sorry doesn't mean i thought there was [TS]

  gonna be when they did introduce him [TS]

  like he was going to be the secret huge [TS]

  weapon and do something special and then [TS]

  he kind of is just another another point [TS]

  of view that we have to include in our [TS]

  DNA fight scene we're cutting from [TS]

  character to character you in turn [TS]

  becomes the following ok he of the [TS]

  Avengers huh uh we're going to talk more [TS]

  about the vision minute but I'm gonna [TS]

  take a break for a second to say we are [TS]

  also sponsored this week by mail route [TS]

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  bounced email it is the world of Ultron [TS]

  ok I'll try and gets a ball spam [TS]

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  only the legitimate email will be sent [TS]

  to you mail route or Ultron can make [TS]

  this a daily reality there's no hardware [TS]

  software to install listen it always in [TS]

  the cloud the cloud can be good or it [TS]

  can be filled with killer robots in this [TS]

  case man was not meant to tamper with [TS]

  the inbox there is no hardware or [TS]

  software to install and maintain it [TS]

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  find male rats interface simple and [TS]

  intuitive it's very easy to check and [TS]

  see what mail got filtered one male [TS]

  didn't get something like Ultron's [TS]

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  Alton friends of his and Tony Stark's [TS]

  interface quite frankly extremely [TS]

  complicated [TS]

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  own voice your warranty Stark Industries [TS]

  not responsible [TS]

  damage caused by song from the UH the [TS]

  only way to save my mailbox is to [TS]

  destroy it so when I when I started [TS]

  actually true reading The Avengers in [TS]

  the eighties the cool the leaders of the [TS]

  team worth vision and the Scarlet Witch [TS]

  and so to me that was out that was a [TS]

  really fun thing that these are my [TS]

  adventures in a way that the the [TS]

  eighties Avengers were led by vision and [TS]

  I like paul bettany in this I thought it [TS]

  was fun but it's sort of like Jarvis is [TS]

  now got a guy with a body and and has [TS]

  thing and a cape healing is like look I [TS]

  wanted to be organized like wanted to be [TS]

  a line about the cape because I don't [TS]

  look at the more you or are either case [TS]

  i wanted to be like nice Cape I'd I [TS]

  souls always liked the scene where you [TS]

  can pick up the hammer i decided it was [TS]

  got a cape coral can pick up a hammer [TS]

  everybody can pick up their looks and [TS]

  it's funny because as he like he goes he [TS]

  flies out he looks at the city he looks [TS]

  at his reflection and you have that [TS]

  initial sort of oh I'm figuring myself [TS]

  out [TS]

  he looks authorities like oh well throws [TS]

  a protector he has a cape i guess i [TS]

  should have a cape now also mines dead [TS]

  my gym I feel like if you can if you can [TS]

  wield the power of an infinity stone you [TS]

  can probably pick up and you were [TS]

  indicate yeah well Anna Anna here like [TS]

  this before so I i agree it's like like [TS]

  with this Batman movies and like [TS]

  spider-man three or so many characters [TS]

  here and you're like you're adding [TS]

  another character but what I like about [TS]

  the vision thing oh well is is that a [TS]

  the vision we're set up that Ultron is [TS]

  going to have his elevation to godhood [TS]

  Ultron is going to now become [TS]

  all-powerful and he's going to get his [TS]

  new library me rhenium synthetic body [TS]

  whatever we gotta stop him and I like [TS]

  the fact that in the end what happens is [TS]

  yes there's the let's be mad scientist [TS]

  moment but in the end it gets turned [TS]

  against him and you end up creating an a [TS]

  synthetic life-form who is the new [TS]

  evolution of humanity and and robots [TS]

  that is better than Ultron but it's not [TS]

  Ultron I think that's kind of a fine [TS]

  little bit they have the same power [TS]

  balancing from they always happens in [TS]

  families who is more powerful all of our [TS]

  already you know the whole this guy's [TS]

  using completely made of vibranium and [TS]

  he should be able to take care about [TS]

  going now but Krishna final fight [TS]

  sequence that they just they just level [TS]

  everything and they're just like yeah [TS]

  you can rebalance everything everyone [TS]

  punch each other in the face a superhero [TS]

  like I mean it's scarlett johansson has [TS]

  essentially no powers are always [TS]

  punching people in the face with the [TS]

  same ferocity the guy whose entire body [TS]

  is made of fur brains gonna get any [TS]

  German his skull and it's like doesn't [TS]

  make any sense like you have to do that [TS]

  because they're all the action movie [TS]

  yeah it pulls away from that's why in [TS]

  the single character movies you can have [TS]

  these character power moments that are [TS]

  more profound because you're showing a [TS]

  single characters power arc and it's [TS]

  okay for them to be the most powerful us [TS]

  on movies you don't want to do it I was [TS]

  kind of uncomfortable time they're [TS]

  fighting until I don't like it when [TS]

  Captain America's during shielded people [TS]

  inside Tony Stark lab I don't like it [TS]

  when our man is fighting the Hulk [TS]

  because that's just--that's comic [TS]

  book-like it's like but wait a second [TS]

  who would win and sometimes it's like [TS]

  it's you know the answer but they can't [TS]

  have you win but why they like their [TS]

  they need to as the set in the movie [TS]

  several times need to use their words [TS]

  like when they disagree with each other [TS]

  you don't immediately fling your shield [TS]

  somebody fire bullets through the floor [TS]

  like seriously got their fighter [TS]

  especially not in the house make that [TS]

  happen outside [TS]

  I really did like I really did like the [TS]

  Hulkbuster thing we go against my better [TS]

  judgment is finally putting i really [TS]

  enjoyed on top of them and he's on top [TS]

  of the tree does exactly what you guys [TS]

  just slowing down [TS]

  yeah it was just me and you can't stop [TS]

  my heart what good is it you stop them [TS]

  first-time wait a minute gives you time [TS]

  to put the whole restaurant and you get [TS]

  the little hydraulic punchy thing that [TS]

  punches him alot which was really funny [TS]

  i probably won't go to sleep go to sleep [TS]

  Yeah Yeah come on can we have a word at [TS]

  least about some of the quickie writing [TS]

  because i know we made fun of all the [TS]

  clips but your screen with Mickey every [TS]

  seat joss whedon is really good at and [TS]

  that's what makes this movie fun i think [TS]

  the writing it's funny it's it's [TS]

  legitimately funny especially when as [TS]

  the strength of this movie this movie [TS]

  franchise always been the characters who [TS]

  are ridiculously super powerful [TS]

  characters are always under cutting [TS]

  themselves like yeah the scene with a [TS]

  hammer we're hanging out the beginning [TS]

  they're all trying to pick up the hammer [TS]

  like it's what do the Avengers do when [TS]

  they're not Avengers their Park I [TS]

  running you know buildings for people [TS]

  wouldn't rush about that but I i think [TS]

  that's the the thing the great thing [TS]

  about this movie is when we see those [TS]

  characters as people rather than [TS]

  superheroes and just arguing about a lot [TS]

  of a kind of stupid things that we argue [TS]

  about like you put the hammer in an [TS]

  elevator that count yeah i think i think [TS]

  it's i think it's really good [TS]

  character thing for Tony Stark to keep [TS]

  doing that because he's just it's and he [TS]

  will undercut himself and it's a really [TS]

  serious situation which people are [TS]

  terrified for their lives they're [TS]

  convinced there's a rampaging engine of [TS]

  destruction thats breathes was dropped [TS]

  from nowhere but it's okay for Tony [TS]

  Stark to be flipping inside the armor [TS]

  it's weirder when you have Captain [TS]

  America or Natasha or others [TS]

  it's like more of a dry sense of humor [TS]

  but trying to keep trying to fill a [TS]

  moment with here's here's a here's a [TS]

  line that just occurred to me here the [TS]

  riders from let's just not that scary [TS]

  moment I I could not disagree more i [TS]

  think the case they are playing not only [TS]

  is it funny and it makes it humanizes [TS]

  them and it gives you the sense that [TS]

  they are a team and they are if they are [TS]

  interacting and that they've been on [TS]

  adventures that we haven't seen and so [TS]

  when Captain America's language please [TS]

  and it becomes a running bit it's funny [TS]

  because he's from the old times and [TS]

  maybe he's like Uncle grandpa who's like [TS]

  these kids today and I i think it's [TS]

  earned and I think it's funny and I [TS]

  think the movie I and this is why I'm [TS]

  client like a movie like this and not [TS]

  like some of those DC movies that [TS]

  they've made because they are so serious [TS]

  and I want to punch them because they're [TS]

  staking little curious about your [TS]

  haircut but you're kind of hitting on [TS]

  what I've always thought was my [TS]

  difference between the red where react [TS]

  with DC movie in a Marvel movie I can't [TS]

  think of any time where I legitimately [TS]

  laughs during a DC movie I can't think [TS]

  of a time where I legitimately felt an [TS]

  emotional connection to anything [TS]

  happening in a Marvel movie and I don't [TS]

  know why I'm sorry see a lot of Mount [TS]

  Pleasant emotion I i yes I have seen 1 2 [TS]

  3 i've seen for Marvel movies [TS]

  ok maybe not all of them but I've seen [TS]

  what I've seen I feel very emotional and [TS]

  thor 2 because it was I was filled with [TS]

  rage I like a bad liar i also have to [TS]

  say kudos who they are you know what was [TS]

  paraded PG pg-13 or something so they [TS]

  get the fleeting after which is the [TS]

  first line and Maria sorry detective [TS]

  thumbs up on that one that I remember [TS]

  the tall that language that's happening [TS]

  during the I don't even think I don't [TS]

  think to throw away since I think it's [TS]

  important to Center us in this action [TS]

  but this is the one where there are very [TS]

  few consequences were going to be [TS]

  attacking this fortress with people who [TS]

  have converted with machine guns of God [TS]

  for all things early dreams your level [TS]

  yeah it's not like when that it's it's [TS]

  it would be it would be very very weird [TS]

  if while we know that there is a plane [TS]

  that's headed [TS]

  towards tower two of the World Trade [TS]

  Center to say well you know I like I'm [TS]

  sorry I'm that's the first flight I've [TS]

  always when I wish that we got hope you [TS]

  don't be late for it's like you're an [TS]

  idiot [TS]

  y-you their lives at stake why are you [TS]

  talking about a comic book movie though [TS]

  that's what I feel like it's like that [TS]

  that's that's what we use a little we [TS]

  used the phrase comic book movie and a [TS]

  derogatory i'm not using just the whole [TS]

  time saying that it's outside outside of [TS]

  this table when people say comic book [TS]

  movie they don't see also there's no [TS]

  depth there's no involvement this just a [TS]

  comic book movie i'm talking about [TS]

  something that's larger than life and [TS]

  delightful where it should be you know [TS]

  there should be snakes there should be [TS]

  consequences but at the same time like [TS]

  we want all of the Avengers to get out i [TS]

  should already want to have fun we want [TS]

  it we want to be entertained and feel [TS]

  the highs and the lows Star Wars is very [TS]

  quickly and it's why we love it because [TS]

  it's just as quickly as it is emotional [TS]

  and it if all the characters were super [TS]

  serious and let's only say the things [TS]

  that are you know boy like was never [TS]

  tell me the odds like yeah we're gonna [TS]

  say that i would say the star wars as [TS]

  much better made than avengers movie I [TS]

  won't disagree with that but I'm gonna [TS]

  save all the adjectives I would apply to [TS]

  the Man of Steel fun it's not anywhere [TS]

  near them again it wasn't it was but [TS]

  that but there are there were moments [TS]

  that I can i I don't I don't think that [TS]

  man of steel was a great movie out loud [TS]

  I thought was going from that one way to [TS]

  start again [TS]

  god I thought it was better than the [TS]

  first Avengers movie but the problem [TS]

  haha [TS]

  we hold these truths to be so i thought [TS]

  this place was already over but again I [TS]

  will I will I will reiterate my reaction [TS]

  is incontrovertible i was bored to hell [TS]

  so if there's through the first of many [TS]

  places dandy I was not bored as hell no [TS]

  justice statements according to steal [TS]

  Murray that's all I'm saying [TS]

  yeah I I think you've got to have that [TS]

  one of the things that humanizes these [TS]

  characters is that they have [TS]

  relationships and they do to do some [TS]

  clips and if they took it all that [TS]

  seriously it would be like listen boring [TS]

  and grim and terrible like man of steel [TS]

  which was a piece of junk and I let me [TS]

  let me look let me defend any four [TS]

  seconds I think I know what he's getting [TS]

  at with the Man of Steel thing I i also [TS]

  like minutes daily mostly because of how [TS]

  a character I Superman not so much like [TS]

  in the movie making the early parts of [TS]

  Man of Steel like it just had one [TS]

  character and i think was a man of steel [TS]

  was better moviemaking then the first [TS]

  happens man of steel was better very [TS]

  good better moviemaking like I don't [TS]

  just ignore the plot ignore the fact [TS]

  that Superman just like go for like you [TS]

  know how it how was it shot how is the [TS]

  dialogue is different kind of movie you [TS]

  know me like I was more stylized I i [TS]

  read today I thought it was more [TS]

  interesting visually I thought I like to [TS]

  pay something that you know that's never [TS]

  do some very interesting visual rails at [TS]

  the end but the equipping this thing [TS]

  with Joss Whedon right like you go to [TS]

  war with Joss Whedon your have this is [TS]

  what you got back what can just we [TS]

  didn't do well if that you get just [TS]

  waiting here we don't land equips like [TS]

  why the hell do you even get why you [TS]

  like her right and so I cancer community [TS]

  without dental in this mode walking in [TS]

  this movie I feel like it's not as good [TS]

  quips we're good my favorite joke the [TS]

  entire movie is the visual jet a gag [TS]

  when Captain America and Iron Man [TS]

  arguing and they're chopping wood [TS]

  encountering her just tears log in half [TS]

  because he's frustrated enemies captain [TS]

  america and like that's my favorite kind [TS]

  of Clips like you don't have to hit on [TS]

  the head but like I don't know how well [TS]

  integrate those clips are with the rest [TS]

  of the movie i get the feeling like you [TS]

  know like you're going from going for [TS]

  seeing action and clip and then seeing [TS]

  action then equip like but look at the [TS]

  good quips we're good like they were [TS]

  joss whedon right i can quickly qualify [TS]

  it wasn't I'm not objecting to the use [TS]

  of quips I'm saying that there so many [TS]

  times where I heard a quickie thing it [TS]

  didn't feel like a character having a [TS]

  genuine dialogue it felt like a [TS]

  screenwriter saying oh I joke just [TS]

  occurred to me i'm going to type in [TS]

  right here [TS]

  I i get that i don't i don't agree I [TS]

  felt I felt like these time we know [TS]

  these characters and anger [TS]

  Mandy I have to say I've seen all of [TS]

  these movies and I feel like I know [TS]

  these characters and these were coming [TS]

  from places the reason the quips were [TS]

  enjoyable to me is that I felt like they [TS]

  were from the places i know these people [TS]

  and that's exactly what they should say [TS]

  given their relationships and given [TS]

  their history and [TS]

  their history and [TS]

  I was pretty amazed because i was on the [TS]

  lookout for the quips that are there [TS]

  just to add some levity while I'm [TS]

  punching somebody's face off that don't [TS]

  fly and and I was impressed at the care [TS]

  that went into the quips where I felt [TS]

  like these characters actually the the [TS]

  quicker the right clips for the [TS]

  situation and so it so if they totally [TS]

  work and I was on the lookout for I was [TS]

  on quip watch in fact and i didn't i [TS]

  didn't see that much to that all these [TS]

  characters and really unique LOL [TS]

  characters and all joss whedon things [TS]

  that he's ever done [TS]

  use humor and quips and dark humor and [TS]

  sarcasm as their way of dealing with [TS]

  heated situations that are bit like that [TS]

  is his thing everything and he basically [TS]

  makes the same movie over and I think [TS]

  like his card if Bobby people with the [TS]

  right age to be that sarcastic and have [TS]

  those scripts but he doesn't matter what [TS]

  movie you give anybody given like you [TS]

  know old Indians in and like 700 he'll [TS]

  do the same damn thing that's what he [TS]

  knows how to do viagra like but the [TS]

  Avengers like with with these clips it [TS]

  in story it makes sense that they would [TS]

  be doing these things because that is [TS]

  the way they deal with with the [TS]

  difficulties of the situation they also [TS]

  have also chosen dealing with the other [TS]

  ways like a tab down-to-earth talks with [TS]

  each other about do I feel okay with [TS]

  this but in the heat of battle the way [TS]

  they sublimate their feelings or express [TS]

  themselves or whatever is with the star [TS]

  Cameron whether you think that it's the [TS]

  superhero character I don't know but [TS]

  it's how Australians characters act [TS]

  yeah it and I have to underscore that I [TS]

  think that their different perspectives [TS]

  when you have someone who is not someone [TS]

  who was seen this isn't there was not [TS]

  committed to the Marvel Cinematic [TS]

  Universe i see this as one movie that [TS]

  I'd like to go see in May as opposed to [TS]

  a continuation of this enjoyable [TS]

  investment that I've been making in [TS]

  these movies i've been really really [TS]

  liking this it's takes us back to the [TS]

  fundamental issue with this entire thing [TS]

  which is it's not quite a movie as much [TS]

  as is honest and installment of this and [TS]

  movie series goes wrong with that [TS]

  because the clear curly we the the news [TS]

  this number the number two opening [TS]

  weekend in movie history so it's not as [TS]

  though this he's that this movie is not [TS]

  finding an audience of people who really [TS]

  really enjoyed this movie you know that [TS]

  you know they buy the tickets before [TS]

  they see the movie i think it's not [TS]

  that's Jay [TS]

  but I see the Avengers movies as [TS]

  Capstone's rather than movies in them [TS]

  into themselves like if you look at [TS]

  Marvel sort of bills in their faces as [TS]

  like a good meal you've got like you've [TS]

  got the the various entrees that are the [TS]

  single person movies and the Avengers [TS]

  movies are the desert RV like [TS]

  wholehearted you know what we know these [TS]

  characters we know this environment we [TS]

  love this environment we have presumably [TS]

  bought into it because we have seen all [TS]

  the other movies this is kind of a [TS]

  two-and-a-half-hour way of being like [TS]

  hey wouldn't it be cool if all of our [TS]

  favorite superheroes that we've known [TS]

  and loved just kind of get together and [TS]

  hang out and Jason's touching his nose [TS]

  Mike was right anyway keep going yeah [TS]

  yeah rub it in [TS]

  no I I honestly I for me and avengers [TS]

  movie does not have to be pinnacles of [TS]

  greatness it has to be fun [TS]

  it has to have characters that I know [TS]

  and love and it has to be plausible and [TS]

  they're definitely like they're [TS]

  definitely plot holes in this and I'm [TS]

  not gonna stare too closely at them [TS]

  because honestly I'd like this [TS]

  this was my dessert this was my happy [TS]

  time and then we'll see what phase 3 has [TS]

  in store for sure it's desert and not [TS]

  like the feeling when you're in bed [TS]

  after oh I shouldn't be no no it's not [TS]

  even that much for the Jews out there [TS]

  it's like the offi combing your special [TS]

  with the taste linger in your mouth [TS]

  yeah and and also my ambition is that i [TS]

  would like to have superhero movies that [TS]

  are more ambitious that try to be more [TS]

  like a conventional movie but that's [TS]

  only one way to make that movie it's [TS]

  possible to have I was thinking about [TS]

  this on the way into the move into the [TS]

  theater that maybe one of the reasons [TS]

  why I'm not responding to some of these [TS]

  Marvel movies is that i am expecting it [TS]

  to be like a sit-down dinner when this [TS]

  is more like a buffet experience where [TS]

  there's going to be elements that your [TS]

  that are good elements that you like [TS]

  less you're not supposed to see it as a [TS]

  really engineered meal so much as a [TS]

  positive 2 and a half hour long [TS]

  experience that could be I mean I i do [TS]

  think that with something like guardians [TS]

  of the galaxy we see Marvel trying [TS]

  something that is a different kind of [TS]

  approach 22 again what commerce makes a [TS]

  you know blockbuster tentpole kind of [TS]

  movie that that's just how it is [TS]

  but within that do some things that are [TS]

  different this is this is I agree with [TS]

  surrounding part of it is this is the [TS]

  capstone this is quite frankly the the [TS]

  the issues of a comic where all of the [TS]

  characters get together and interact [TS]

  those are never the best stories either [TS]

  it's fun to watch them interact but the [TS]

  story is kind of beside the point and [TS]

  it's not and this is like that this is [TS]

  it's fun to see them interact in [TS]

  something and but it only really works i [TS]

  think if they've earned it with you [TS]

  having known these characters more like [TS]

  I feel like you really need to have seen [TS]

  winter soldier and internalized it and [TS]

  understood it and taking it into your [TS]

  soul for you to watch this movie because [TS]

  it really doesn't make a lot of sense [TS]

  without knowing where the characters are [TS]

  after winter soldier especially if this [TS]

  balance between like ensemble cast you [TS]

  want to have dramatic moments you want [TS]

  them to be quickly you want to have good [TS]

  action scenes that's actually fairly [TS]

  difficult formula too often trying to [TS]

  think of other movies that have done a [TS]

  well-made hot Empire Strikes Back is [TS]

  comes the obvious example but it's [TS]

  paired down there's action scenes this [TS]

  personal drama there's quips and they [TS]

  balance in the right and guardians of [TS]

  the galaxy is like let's go away towards [TS]

  the humor side and but even that is [TS]

  difficult balance because then we were [TS]

  talking about that movie it's like all [TS]

  the more seriously and so I can really [TS]

  take this bag is seriously in this one I [TS]

  could i get some so difficult like where [TS]

  do you find the line and that way it's [TS]

  almost like not that it's easier but [TS]

  like Batman Begins is more like a solid [TS]

  yeah you know serious like movie and [TS]

  like it has its humor value had to [TS]

  strike him or whatever but like it they [TS]

  figured out a balance that you look [TS]

  Batman Begins and it works all the way [TS]

  through its just I the reason think [TS]

  we're trying to do the balance where [TS]

  you're somewhere in the middle like I [TS]

  mean I guess maybe diehards example it's [TS]

  very small cast like can you balance [TS]

  drama investment in action scenes with [TS]

  clips [TS]

  it's very super hard and service 7 [TS]

  characters and all that is hurting you [TS]

  know just keep studying in Parliament [TS]

  before we go I i do want to mention day [TS]

  do people have any thoughts about um [TS]

  Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch because [TS]

  they were they were in this movie too [TS]

  and we and you know we had to we had to [TS]

  find a way to introduce them and and [TS]

  have them do some stuff [TS]

  Carla which was like her character I [TS]

  feel like got got a little bit screwed [TS]

  like I mean they they tried to give her [TS]

  an art but very very frequently about [TS]

  the one that really bothered me the most [TS]

  sheet that has the conversation with the [TS]

  with Hawkeye and become you know she's [TS]

  gonna come out as she comes out she's [TS]

  made her decision she's going to be an [TS]

  Avenger she's going to be the Scarlet [TS]

  Witch she does her badass thing to slow [TS]

  motion then then Hawkeye looked over her [TS]

  and gives her that [TS]

  next scene they have the expressions for [TS]

  actresses face is like looking to [TS]

  hawkeye for approval and she's a little [TS]

  dopey little dog again maybe next time [TS]

  you'll see more than two times watching [TS]

  like she doesn't know [TS]

  did I do good in my right side while [TS]

  she's here she's scared out of her mind [TS]

  damaged from being experimented on and [TS]

  being that's totally appropriate though [TS]

  that's totally appropriate for so long [TS]

  if you drop me into a combat situation [TS]

  that I've never been in i will probably [TS]

  invite see that the entire world is [TS]

  going completely the hell i know that [TS]

  partly responsible for because I helped [TS]

  out the early stages of it I might need [TS]

  a bit of a pet pop pep talk to and I [TS]

  think that they trick with this with [TS]

  developing those characters also we got [TS]

  them as a unit right and it's like e to [TS]

  a certain extent you have to split time [TS]

  and no one they're not gonna you can't [TS]

  just be like oh they have the exact same [TS]

  story they're probably rescue their [TS]

  parents were killed like yes we do have [TS]

  some story and they each sort of like [TS]

  China and on it but it's really hard to [TS]

  get full extent of both of them and so I [TS]

  think I think Scarlet Witch actually [TS]

  gets a better treatment than Quicksilver [TS]

  who is like yeah I get to make it is [TS]

  about a gruff and speaking Russian [TS]

  accent tonight pretty much it my [TS]

  complaint about scholar which wasn't [TS]

  that she was scared the buildings after [TS]

  that after she comes out she supposed to [TS]

  have made her decision and like because [TS]

  self-actualize and become the power to [TS]

  decide what she's gonna do but [TS]

  immediately after that she's back like I [TS]

  I don't like real to me them that felt [TS]

  very much like so did I do good boss [TS]

  well no i honestly didn't look like she [TS]

  was can I you know am i doing well it [TS]

  what if to me that like I noticed that [TS]

  expression and it very very much [TS]

  registered my brain but it looked as [TS]

  like I'm going to do this and I'm going [TS]

  to be an Avenger but that doesn't mean [TS]

  that I'm not terrified out of my mind [TS]

  because I still have major PTSD from 110 [TS]

  a shell fell down next to me and almost [TS]

  you know yeah I don't know screaming [TS]

  with your story but I maybe I'm going on [TS]

  Lex may not in like the idea being happy [TS]

  is the idea [TS]

  the idea that i like but these people [TS]

  have this kind of power especially like [TS]

  the telekinesis in mind control that [TS]

  it's like they don't know how far it [TS]

  goes and it usually goes really really [TS]

  really far in a scary way and the people [TS]

  with this power and inevitably seems [TS]

  like they become consumed by it because [TS]

  it's kind of that type of power that's [TS]

  gonna make you destroy the entire world [TS]

  and kill everybody [TS]

  well that's kind of what happens to [TS]

  scarlet witch's and I see her traveling [TS]

  along an argument is movie she's like I [TS]

  expected her to travel farther along in [TS]

  our basement expected her to sort of [TS]

  coming to her powers and realize that [TS]

  like you know that she's much more [TS]

  powerful than she thinks when she when [TS]

  she puts her mind to it right in the [TS]

  correct way and that is slowly the power [TS]

  sunroof income that's a dozen to learn [TS]

  about that later later but again I I [TS]

  there was also a long stable period when [TS]

  you know vision and the Scarlet Witch [TS]

  led the Avengers and it was awesome and [TS]

  paris peace in our time and there was [TS]

  peace in our time and yeah wasn't that [TS]

  the period which the vision went nuts [TS]

  and formed the west coast avengers a [TS]

  diversionary tactic then took over every [TS]

  single container labeled to try to unite [TS]

  was later it was much less employees [TS]

  have to be about to be licensed you have [TS]

  any nuts to start a west coast version [TS]

  gonna ask for the great anything that [TS]

  puts tiger and a monthly series i'm [TS]

  a-free I prove oh yeah and I worth a [TS]

  five cents run and then this house event [TS]

  well it's also like x-men and that they [TS]

  were also mutants but you can't call the [TS]

  mutants in this movie because that's a [TS]

  totally diff locks his lawyers would [TS]

  like it went to Jason produce oh yeah [TS]

  there they have been their stats were [TS]

  upgraded from 4th edition 2 5th edition [TS]

  it's a very good one is like that's the [TS]

  that's a different arc then the then the [TS]

  other Marvel heroes I feel like that's [TS]

  more of an x-men arcade or not like [TS]

  x-men has all the x-men are very similar [TS]

  and I think that is a good solid team in [TS]

  it and but this movies like whores [TS]

  archives very little overlap with [TS]

  Captain America's are ya [TS]

  for Asgard or were curious hear stories [TS]

  here to be thor and be funny and make [TS]

  quips or going to Thor have the hammer [TS]

  and setup future movies and i would say [TS]

  he does have an arc his arc is not about [TS]

  this movie so much but he doesn't have [TS]

  something to doing through they can is [TS]

  your theories like on his way to like a [TS]

  season finale free agents of shield yes [TS]

  tops off in the barn ya just gotta go [TS]

  you know but again we gotta it's tough [TS]

  to have to give those again it comes [TS]

  back it's tough to get all those [TS]

  chemicals we do a brief appreciative for [TS]

  a lot of the I thought the cameos you [TS]

  know i did enjoy a lot of the smaller [TS]

  one enjoyed on Cheadle [TS]

  and when she was really good are you [TS]

  Anthony Mackie is fuckin who I realize [TS]

  either both now Avengers or Natalie [TS]

  apartment oh wait she could afford her [TS]

  but she's better Skarsgard comes back I [TS]

  mean like we pretty much dragon-like [TS]

  secondary characters from all the [TS]

  previous independent movies murray hill [TS]

  yeah there's a little bit of enjoyed [TS]

  understand they have created a rich [TS]

  universe I just feel like it and i told [TS]

  you i want to see TV show 26 episodes [TS]

  where there is wonders with all these [TS]

  actors about it can afford action [TS]

  set-pieces like I wonder if that's gonna [TS]

  concepts at some point you have to [TS]

  wonder if it would be better it would be [TS]

  better off to spend money for these [TS]

  actors to do an eight-episode netflix [TS]

  really don't know that's why tries to be [TS]

  able to look at daredevil and saying [TS]

  okay if you're gonna make a 13-hour [TS]

  movies just same effects like that's the [TS]

  thing ya know you're only going to be [TS]

  doing a movie why can't you have all [TS]

  these people in television show just [TS]

  like you know eventually you're going to [TS]

  say we can't make any more Avengers [TS]

  movies they're ridiculous but if as long [TS]

  as people are still breaking box-office [TS]

  records to go see them they're not going [TS]

  to put them on netflix anytime soon yeah [TS]

  i mean i think more likely we might get [TS]

  at you [TS]

  we might sooner get a return to flash [TS]

  Gordon's cereals then we would then [TS]

  would actual but that then actually [TS]

  intrigues me if you use a lot of a lot [TS]

  of movies get made because not because [TS]

  they offered an actor a lot of money but [TS]

  but somebody said this will only take [TS]

  two and a half weeks of your time and [TS]

  you're not doing anything and we can [TS]

  give you five or six million dollars for [TS]

  one month so one month of your time and [TS]

  if we did this if you did this and [TS]

  netflix budget where you do not have the [TS]

  option of having 90 minutes of just [TS]

  action action action where could to save [TS]

  money in a way you have to have people [TS]

  sitting down and talking and sort of [TS]

  hashing out a plot that might be [TS]

  something that would intrigue me more [TS]

  than Avengers 3 [TS]

  I think the downside is that a lot of [TS]

  the stuff that we see on TV these days [TS]

  also been like years towards the greedy [TS]

  so it's like oh yeah HBO does it doesn't [TS]

  understand how guys want to see the HP [TS]

  understand she's not ready right well [TS]

  that's about it that's the closest that [TS]

  we've got I think you look at something [TS]

  like daredevil right and it's like [TS]

  character voice is pretty dark it's [TS]

  funny at points but it's pretty daughter [TS]

  couldn't afford a lot of Lights right [TS]

  well yeah you know it's New York Hell's [TS]

  Kitchen this is not very nice but i [TS]

  think i think you're right i would love [TS]

  to see an adventure series like this [TS]

  that you could sort of spin out into an [TS]

  entire long series and I think that that [TS]

  for better or worse this genre has been [TS]

  relegated to the blockbuster we rather [TS]

  than being something we do on the team [TS]

  he perhaps with the exception of the [TS]

  flash which i think is trying to do [TS]

  something very someone else we did a [TS]

  very good job telling superhero stories [TS]

  in a TV format it was called buffy the [TS]

  vampire slayer yeah yeah well that was [TS]

  how many years ago now what [TS]

  when one of the six identical la [TS]

  identical in sequence trailers we saw [TS]

  before this what was the ant-man movie [TS]

  and I'm kind it would really pleased me [TS]

  a lot if it really did turn out to be [TS]

  action-oriented and some drama but [TS]

  mostly ok for god sakes he's called [TS]

  ant-man and he's about this tall [TS]

  let's let's let's let's assume we're not [TS]

  talking about saving the entire world [TS]

  but solving a problem an ex-con has to [TS]

  have the proportional strength of human [TS]

  and size body here we are about out of [TS]

  time so I'm gonna I'm gonna ask anybody [TS]

  if they've got last thoughts before we [TS]

  sign off serenity of last pot I'm really [TS]

  excited to see Scarlet Witch going [TS]

  forward because I thought that you know [TS]

  quibbles aside her powers are very [TS]

  interesting we haven't seen a lot of [TS]

  inhuman you know advanced type powers in [TS]

  this universe as of yet we've seen you [TS]

  know God's we've seen people who have [TS]

  experimental strength or you know been [TS]

  experimenting on but we we really [TS]

  haven't seen people who were born with [TS]

  crazy powers [TS]

  yeah i think it's unclear though if she [TS]

  is actually just experimenting on like [TS]

  like Captain America depending depending [TS]

  on how I mean and also I think we have [TS]

  to see the rest of this season of shield [TS]

  but what shield seems to be hinting at [TS]

  is that Hydra was basically collecting [TS]

  in humans [TS]

  yeah be there and they are calling [TS]

  humans yet surprise but like collecting [TS]

  enhanced people and experimenting on [TS]

  them and that the twins were the only [TS]

  people who survived set experiments [TS]

  which isn't mentioned the movie yes [TS]

  exactly so I'm I'm really interested to [TS]

  see the new the next generation of [TS]

  Avengers I'm really interested to see [TS]

  what phase 3 has in store [TS]

  I really like the fact that the vit like [TS]

  as much as I'm kind of bummed that the [TS]

  vision kind of had really short shrift [TS]

  because there's no real time to explain [TS]

  it i like that he is a bridge between [TS]

  the normal and the super hyper [TS]

  fantastical and I think he's a better [TS]

  bridge in a wave and Thoris because he [TS]

  connects to the Galactic a lot better [TS]

  with the mind stone or the mind effort [TS]

  are we calling a gem some gems [TS]

  yeah with the mind gem [TS]

  in a way that like Thorin no Asgard is [TS]

  alien and sort of connected but still [TS]

  feels very silly whereas vision feel [TS]

  silly but also you know we've got a [TS]

  we've got a route because hey he was [TS]

  Jarvis once we love Jarvis but also he's [TS]

  carrying around crazy alien technology [TS]

  so maybe division will show up in [TS]

  guardians of the galaxy two who knows [TS]

  but i but I feel like it i don't know [TS]

  it's an it's i really like where things [TS]

  are going Marvel has yet to really let [TS]

  me down with the movie i look forward to [TS]

  seeing the next round [TS]

  don't four defendants doing anything i [TS]

  feel like i'm anna says he isn't being [TS]

  that lives only in credit side after I [TS]

  just feel like he has been lurking [TS]

  around the corner for like this was a [TS]

  large percentage of my life [TS]

  yes waiting in this one we saw but I [TS]

  grew up next and credit another club and [TS]

  I great boot socks socks first and it's [TS]

  a very slow race dirty messy again [TS]

  knowing nothing about the comics you [TS]

  look so dorky to me he looks like he [TS]

  looks like a cartoon villain drawn like [TS]

  a scooby-doo I said the car is literally [TS]

  a courtyard village on our tuna sammie [TS]

  really i gave him the big chin and like [TS]

  it I don't know he does not interest me [TS]

  as the villain at all [TS]

  thus far I guess I was he has incredible [TS]

  isn't anything but he don't know he was [TS]

  27 he was obviously that decision is [TS]

  coming to our galleries yeah [TS]

  elder people mention he needs to start [TS]

  doing stuff unless delegating slashed [TS]

  talking to yes i agree i agree i again i [TS]

  like this movie a lot more than I like [TS]

  the first one and I i hope this is a [TS]

  continued upward trend although it's [TS]

  kind of interesting to think of I don't [TS]

  know whose contracts are expiring soon [TS]

  as I know they lock them into very [TS]

  long-term ya drunks but they seem to [TS]

  have renegotiated many of them we [TS]

  thought we were not seeing him anymore [TS]

  baby i i wonder what happens when if [TS]

  it's a good thing they don't have a turn [TS]

  rate are their actors or if it's a bad [TS]

  thing [TS]

  the end of this movie suggest ok we have [TS]

  new avengers now and that Tony Stark may [TS]

  not be around so much and all that I [TS]

  think that's good i think that's a good [TS]

  thing go [TS]

  well Tony Stark has been done I mean [TS]

  iron man 3 shows a pretty clear are two [TS]

  that I think it's great that he's here [TS]

  and I think he's not going anywhere we [TS]

  didn't kill him off where there's no [TS]

  finality today in the next Captain [TS]

  America right and so I think what we'll [TS]

  end up seeing is like we'll have a new [TS]

  avengers team probably in [TS]

  infinity War part 1 and you'll have a [TS]

  lot of like other people that we haven't [TS]

  necessarily seen yet perhaps now and [TS]

  then you won't be like all man [TS]

  Stannis got bad news we better bring all [TS]

  those other guys and we might have a [TS]

  situation whereby ventures forth like oh [TS]

  they Ted McGinley is now playing like [TS]

  another superhero ok it's done but I i [TS]

  agree that i really liked seeing the new [TS]

  sort of Avengers come in i really i [TS]

  thought that i really enjoyed this movie [TS]

  for the most part I you know there are [TS]

  parts that I think felt a little like a [TS]

  little more the future ops and downs [TS]

  more level to it and that didn't always [TS]

  like get me like oh yeah this is great i [TS]

  wasn't always like this most engaged [TS]

  some of the fight scenes but i love the [TS]

  character interactions and that is what [TS]

  I come for end it yeah for me that [TS]

  totally delivered in that way and as [TS]

  long as they can continue to sort of [TS]

  produce great movies where these [TS]

  characters are interesting and interact [TS]

  with each other and are fun and that is [TS]

  the key word for me always come back to [TS]

  its fun I've seen a lot of superhero [TS]

  movies that are not fun [TS]

  I don't need to see any more of those so [TS]

  thumbs up looking forward to future [TS]

  Marvel endeavors [TS]

  I fear for any future movies of this [TS]

  type not made with talent that involved [TS]

  this like soon as they take away joss [TS]

  whedon I don't know what his deal is in [TS]

  his contract but was already gone Yeah [TS]

  Yeah right into your heel though ended [TS]

  like May first can put like this is a [TS]

  high degree of difficulty and it's going [TS]

  to be very difficult for the next guy to [TS]

  match that's why they got to people [TS]

  through the Russo brothers who did with [TS]

  a soldier which was a very i will have [TS]

  to think maybe the last Marvel movie by [TS]

  lower degree of difficulty definitely [TS]

  like I think I I wonder I I already said [TS]

  I enjoy the single character movies [TS]

  better than than the multi ones and a [TS]

  multi one not involving joss whedon not [TS]

  involving all these great actors who I [TS]

  love not like just it could just be [TS]

  dreadful so I really am feeling the next [TS]

  one but this one you should go see this [TS]

  were saying i will point out that the [TS]

  Russos are not you know they're not [TS]

  exactly not for on one will not infamous [TS]

  I don't know what I'm looking for but [TS]

  they directed a bunch of arrested [TS]

  development episodes and they they've [TS]

  been around in terms of anything on your [TS]

  community or human challenges [TS]

  yeah that they're um I i think there is [TS]

  a distinct possibility that in the [TS]

  future we will look back at the two [TS]

  first two Avengers movies and say turns [TS]

  out joss whedon about as good as anybody [TS]

  could expect right great and here is so [TS]

  much higher leap on so much the quips [TS]

  but just because he did [TS]

  user experience to like figure out how [TS]

  you get these just basically putting [TS]

  down the plot because this is pretty [TS]

  tight in terms there was like single [TS]

  lines that were payoff for certain plot [TS]

  points and making clear like he did as [TS]

  well as you can do it like it just just [TS]

  putting the puzzle pieces together just [TS]

  storyboarding addressing what is going [TS]

  to happen and what is going to lead to [TS]

  what you want to what even that is [TS]

  really hard to do and I think joss [TS]

  whedon by this point I think they're [TS]

  like a script doctor and you know done [TS]

  television and done movies like you need [TS]

  that kind of resume to be able to just [TS]

  pull this off a mediocre this is three [TS]

  years like two or three years work for [TS]

  Josh we could you know he could have [TS]

  written 20 episodes of buffy over the [TS]

  course of three seasons of that chair [TS]

  right and all of that got distilled into [TS]

  the work on this on this and this film [TS]

  and and you know i probably would rather [TS]

  have so I'm doing a show for a couple [TS]

  years instead but you know what kind of [TS]

  guy you Justice League is all i'm going [TS]

  to say clearly influenced that was not [TS]

  if we will see we shall see it will be [TS]

  very interesting [TS]

  ok we are going to wrap it up it has [TS]

  been a pleasure to have everybody here [TS]

  in person to talk and of course we all [TS]

  saw it together we didn't record during [TS]

  theater presentation because you [TS]

  couldn't hear us over the explosions i [TS]

  would like to thank all of my guests for [TS]

  being here today around the table Tony [TS]

  sindelar thank you comfortable [TS]

  disassembled Dan Morgan thank you for [TS]

  being here and letting us use your home [TS]

  no disassemble John siracusa thank you [TS]

  in the next movie deceive fill in the [TS]

  little gem holes on his knuckles or what [TS]

  yeah I think that's it's a game it's [TS]

  like a like a mastermind it's like Legos [TS]

  her mastermind along it slow motion I [TS]

  was raising up of one hand and history [TS]

  of cinema [TS]

  uh-huh yep india naka thank you i spent [TS]

  my enjoyed the mismatch pile of Miss [TS]

  colored legos isn't any other that forms [TS]

  Avengers 2 I I didn't I guess I don't [TS]

  revive I seem to be drifting towards I [TS]

  didn't not like it but I some I semi [TS]

  enjoyed that and i will say that part of [TS]

  it was because I changed my expectations [TS]

  of this movie like a b-plus that we say [TS]

  people get a strong recommendation from [TS]

  andy and i know you heard it here answer [TS]

  and it'll have a slight angle good yeah [TS]

  you know I could just shoot Andy and no [TS]

  one would know just fell on him [TS]

  yeah but if it's an Avenger sort of [TS]

  killing then we wouldn't find out what [TS]

  happened or what happened to come to be [TS]

  continued in anyway thank you to [TS]

  everybody out there for listening I've [TS]

  been your host Jason cell thanks to [TS]

  everybody for coming tonight once again [TS]

  and we will see you next week with an [TS]

  episode that was recorded in our [TS]

  individual homes where we can be alone [TS]

  with ourselves [TS]

  goodnight [TS]