322: Tastes Like College
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the incomparable number 320 October 2016
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welcome back everybody to the
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incomparable i'm your host Jason smell
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this is a different episode in so many
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different ways we threatened to do this
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for a long time often over a few beers
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we threatened to do this episode which
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is about beer that's true it's
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absolutely true one part of culture that
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might not be a book or a comic or a
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movie or or or a TV show is a beverage
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music or hiking or blisters hiking
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hiking episode or dogs the door like
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tourism-related tourism indeed so we're
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here to talk about beer and let me
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introduce my guess you heard him right
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there so i might as well introduce him
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mr. Steve let's hi Steve hello Jason I'm
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here to drink beer
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yes you and I have I have a fond memory
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of of drinking a really weird beer with
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pineapple in it at your house mr.
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pineapple mr. pineapple although
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actually in that respect to this podcast
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is not very different from other
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podcasts that i have been on that's true
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good point David lure joins us as well
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normal done and then coming coming to us
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from the land of cheers it's dan more'n
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hi I'm thinking beers with several of
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you and I look forward to drinking beers
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with the rest of you now
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alright well it's about to happen brian
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hamilton are you old enough to drink
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beer mr. pineapple was nowhere near as
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good as mr. robot in my opinion but did
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you really see it first time on the
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uncomfortable but his wife's been on a
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lot so we we've talked about him but he
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hasn't been here before but beer was the
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reason to get him at last
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Marco Arment hi Marco hello I'm going to
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drink a lot more of this beer before I
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can have a woody greeting but he usually
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have on these shows
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that's that's just check at the end
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we'll see what happens at the end we all
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just kind of drill into our microphones
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and out that'll be it like usual one of
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our greetings been witty is what I'd
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well depends how much beer you've had I
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see now I that's everybody that i
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usually introduced on skype
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however this is a very strange episode
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in that i also have people in my house
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with me right now
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oh my god philipose lack highmost am
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ready for some budweiser that there is
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I'm married effort making her
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contractually obligated one podcast
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appearance per year and her first time
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on the incomparable proper it's my wife
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hello hey and our instigator the person
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who put this whole thing together
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I'm an act brewing's own Jesse Friedman
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hi the beer is coming from inside the
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good that's the best place for the beer
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to come from is actually that's really
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appropriate so so jesse is a podcast
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listener and also he has his own brewery
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sure so I just have a lot of follow-up
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and that's why I'm here all of your show
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is I have notes that I'd like to pass
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this has been a long games that's a good
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thing you brought beer started drinking
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and then we'll go from there so that the
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way this works is Jesse you selected
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some beer and sent it across this great
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country to all of these people and then
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brought some to in coolers to my house
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for those of us who are here and I'm and
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now we're all going to drink the same
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beer and talk about it
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so what was your what was your thought
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process including the selection together
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well we did a we surveyed the group and
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got sort of everyone's beer history
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confessional and everyone sort of laid
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bare their soul on their favorite and
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least favorite beers just wait
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ah and i took that bumpy ride and I took
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it as a little bit of a challenge
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I you know I try and be an advocate for
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craft beer and want to expose people the
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new beers they haven't tried before that
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I think they'll like I always whenever
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someone says I don't like beer
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I always take that as I just haven't had
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a beer I'd have liked yet and so I tried
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to sort of fit in a bunch of people's
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preferences and try and select some new
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things I tried to pick beers that are
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pretty widely available to so that
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people listening to this in the united
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states can hopefully find most if not
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all of those beers and triumph triumph
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for themselves and then come to jasons
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house and taste them with him
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hands up everybody who said i don't like
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beer earlier those people are the people
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who are not present on this podcast you
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just look at our common list of guests
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and you'll know who is not here
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that's the answer those people don't get
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to drink beer now how about that burn
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announcers or they were outside of the
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united states in which case they also
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didn't get to drink beer and there were
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some good said people in the UK but
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that's what can you do
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so yeah so we shipped a bunch of beer
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across the country and I think the idea
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here is will sort of taste them all
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together one at a time will get people
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sort of hot take on what they think of
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it and then talk about how it's made a
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little beer history beer culture ANSWER
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Answer beer-related trivia and hopefully
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via make it mildly interesting what's
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good about beer podcasting is it all
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gets more interesting the more beers
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Steve's I had his well and what we need
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to at least do is on your podcast player
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of choice and overcast not you should
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make sure to just slowly speed it up as
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the episode goes on be just to
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accommodate for what will likely be
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happening here or slow it down further
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if you're going to be entertained by
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that that would be a very feature the
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dynamically increasing podcast speed as
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the episode goes along
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it's like beer goggles for headphones
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and maybe you can incorporate something
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where the blood alcohol level is is
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monitored throughout the podcast and
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then you can adjust accordingly
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yeah thatthat's 3-pointer right there
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these are all great ideas health kit all
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right now call direct all of you to your
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first beer we're gonna start with
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allagash saison alighieri is on
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yes okay I better go get that then yes
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go get that was going ok I'll get that
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and my children glass and then put
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another glass in the freezer so it to
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can be chilled what you think that don't
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don't show your glass
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I think we're gonna have a lot of breaks
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in this pocket don't show your glass
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that's the answer
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alrighty i'm i'm drinking at this
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allagash everyone's silently drinking is
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from is from Maine is what remains yeah
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alright because i first had allagash I
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think I now against white and it was
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when i was in boston visiting dan moore
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and probably and indeed i've had
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allagash white too so I'll give a little
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introduction to myself well you guys all
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taste your first beer here please
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so i'm the co-founder and brewmaster of
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Almanac beer company out in San
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Francisco we're about five years old we
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we brew a huge variety of beers were
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15 states i think now our specialty is a
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barrel-aged beers and sour so I brought
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one of my own that will sneak in and
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you'll tell me what you think of it
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later and we also brew IPAs dark beer
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sort of across all styles and I was a
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beer bloggers before before I was a
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brewer so i often identify as a
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recovering recovering beer bloggers that
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what you're doing now sounds a lot more
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satisfying than what you were doing
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before it but that this is a this is my
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favorite beers i was really excited to
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share with you guys so this is a saison
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it's a style of beer that comes out of
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sort of the French Belgian border it's a
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farmhouse ale so historically this is a
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beer that would have been made in the
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summer and for farm hands in the field
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so it's designed to be really really
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refreshing and screwed with a large
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percentage of wheat and light mult
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podcasters people listening at home
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can't look at it but it's like a very
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sort of light straw color and i really
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like it it's a really aromatic bright
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beer it's a beer that gives like a
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really nice example of yeast character
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in the beer so a saison is fermented
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with you know very particularly strains
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really really warm and that brings out
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the yeast flavor so if you sort of swirl
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this around your glass and give it a
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deep sniff you get sort of aromas of
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like pineapple and coriander a little
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bit hey in there now I've not been a a
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Belgian fan until just recently and it
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was because specifically I was not
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really acclimated to the taste of yeast
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and wasn't a big fan and there's still
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some nice tea beers that i'm not a big
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fan of but but this is quite nice and
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and I've become just kind of more I
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guess accustomed to it as I've had more
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over the years and I really kind of like
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the sort of banana bread II sort of
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flavor that I get with the kind of
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strains of yeast they use in this sort
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yeah i gotta say I'm I'm not usually a
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buyer of cézanne just because i never
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knew what it meant until just now and I
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wasn't sure what I'd like it or not and
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this is this is probably the first beer
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of this color that I've ever actually
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liked but i really like this
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also I astok I really I i think i'll be
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buying more views in the future and
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before you even said it I was like this
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is kind of like awesome summer
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refreshing beer like you
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others like okay well least on a gnome
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on the right track then I'm gonna say
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this one the most refreshing beers I've
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had that isn't you know something like a
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Shandy that is meant to be as refreshing
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as this but this is definitely one of
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the most refreshing things i've had in
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awhile I was a I find it a bit on the
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crispy side it's it's good i agree that
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it does seem like refreshing something
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good in the summer although I do find
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the taste a little on the stronger side
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in terms of emphasizing where the yeasty
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characteristics and I think I
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traditionally like but it's not it's not
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bad i would i would happily drink a
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glass of it i think it would not be
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something I necessarily go out of my way
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to purchase but you know i would I
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certainly wouldn't turn it down now I I
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drink a lot of seasons and I have
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actually had allagash before it is it's
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lovely it's if there are a lot of
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citizens to choose from it's not my
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first choice but it's it's good it's
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like Dan said it's it's stronger then
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then the seasons i prefer I mean
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hoegaarden is one of my co 2 beers but I
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love belgian beer
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yeah I like the open beer no and I never
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had a saison also because of the like
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what is that what kind is that
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and the first time i had i thought you
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know it has a flavor to it that actually
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reminds me of some of the flavors that I
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get in something like a like an IPA but
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it doesn't have it you know there's I
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and I don't know what it is there's a
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flavor in there that reminds me of that
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but it doesn't have all the flavors in
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an IPA that I don't like so much it's
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it's not over hopped yeah it's got it
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sits in its a kind of fruity and a nice
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and yeah i like not to this might be a
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good time to back up and give like super
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basic beer knowledge just to give a
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little sore vocabulary so how about just
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alright all beer is me is a fluid that
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contains alcohol
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yeah go on the rest of it's not that
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important been so beers made out of four
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basic ingredients I and if you're a 17th
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century German you call it the night sky
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bottom there you go
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yeah it should get a sound effect to
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chime in right there with sorry just
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clearing my throat were you gonna say
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something about Germany so I malted
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barley water hops and yeast and
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obviously yeast was added only after it
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was discovered by louie pastore much
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much later but those are the four basic
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ingredients a beer and you can make
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almost any kind of beer out of just
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those ingredients by just varying either
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amounts or treatment or ways that
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they're processed in the beer and so I
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tried to pick out a couple different
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beers that we can talk about some of
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those different aspects as we go through
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it but this is one where you selection
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is really important
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what I really like about seasons and
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particulars you ferment them really
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really really hot much hotter than you
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would like an IPA or certainly like a
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log or anything like that so you know we
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ferment our arses on up in like the
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mid-eighties all the way up to 90 just
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shy of hot enough to kill the yeast and
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that is what creates what we call
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phenols investors which are all those
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aroma flavors that were tasting those
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banana flavors that pineapple that
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strong character that's all being really
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derived by the by the east but yeast is
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going to contribute to every beer that
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we try because you can make beer without
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it or what did you think of this one
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oh this is fantastic
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this is exactly my kind of beer if I
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would if I was gonna I like half of ice
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and I like wheat beers I like fruity
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beers and this is this this was very
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good thank you jesse has poured her a
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little more beer as a reward for like
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maybe I was gonna can I finish that
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works that way that I'm going to just
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keep saying everything is great i'm in
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that's all I know that's for sure is
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this one is this one unfiltered i
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noticed that it's a bit you know when I
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hold up the color to light it's a bit
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cloudy or I feel like at least ya
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traditionally this would be sort of more
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rustic unfiltered beer there's probably
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a little bit of yeast in there not much
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they probably it's you know it's pretty
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it's got a little bit of haze to it
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though things like you know German
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horizons and things like that they'll
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actually put yeast back in the bottle
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specifically to make it extra cloudy
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atefeh is that kind of cheating though
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now but there's no cheating they're
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making beer dude come at you don't need
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there already that german thing if it
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it's okay yeah I'll i really like
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Belgians Marco you like belgian beer
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don't you I love Belgians that this is
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the first time I've ever seen one that I
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could see through now
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yeah fair enough and that was below
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about nine percent alcohol doesn't look
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at the model says its 6.1 so I mean
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obviously you know my my knowledge of a
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beer like on a professional level is is
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I i know i know very little about it I
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know slightly more i would say than the
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average person who ordered beer at a bar
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so all I know is you know the very
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limited parts I've seen and the Belgians
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I've seen are mostly the very high
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alcohol ales and i love them they're
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wonderful I mean that the shimmy grand
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reserve blue is one of my favorites in
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fact i had to rank my beers that might
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be number one baby bottle between that
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yeah yeah i'm i'm right there and so
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much of the belgium brewing tradition
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actually comes out of monks and
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monasteries brewing so there are still
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breweries you can mention me is actually
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one of them you can buy beer that's
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actually brewed by monks on-premise
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these days it tends to be brewed by late
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people that work for the monasteries but
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it was brewed as a source of sustenance
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they would fast and only drink beer as
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their only source of calories during
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certain festivals in certain months and
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it sort of comes out of a whole
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religious tradition there as well so it
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makes the monastic life style seem
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somewhat more plan muris imagine on an
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empty stomach having some of that high
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alcohol Belgian yet just imagine Jason I
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can't even really would not even be like
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you start to have visions and that's
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right religion it was a religious
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experience for them and re-rig quite
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literally yeah so I'm ma about not
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knowing anything about beer that's what
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jesse is here to help us with right
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right now so we've already learned
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something about about the cézanne which
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I seriously i was suggested before we
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got started I only ever had a saison
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because there was a i was at some
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restaurant where all the other beers on
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the menu looked unappealing and they
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said that it was good and i ordered and
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I was like oh my god this is actually
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really good so it was an accidental for
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me too well there's like you know beer
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like anything else there's a lot of
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trends and so this lives in like that
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same family as like a belgian wit or
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like a German horizon and right now this
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is probably the most popular of that
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sort of family but then you know in a
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couple years will be drinking half away
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and again fair enough fine with me I
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mean speaking of trends I I think it's
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you know without ruining the ending here
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i think it's interesting that we have
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this this panel that has no IPAs in it
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because it seems like oh I don't it
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seems like what's what's in style and
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has been like has been beating us over
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the head is beer consumers for the last
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five or six years is just everybody in
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the universe makes IPAs now and IHS late
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and I like IPAs and even I'm happy to
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see that we don't have any here to taste
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because i'm so tired of my pjs even as a
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Marco you may be missing a beer you
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should have an IPA at did you let an IPA
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you guys wandering some IPA ok let's
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no all right not especially believed it
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is not this is the one where I will be
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like oh you know that was internally on
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somebody said to me in a box by fedex
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for free but I i will say my partner in
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theater is very much a fan of ipas and
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the hoppier the better so he's sort of
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i'm not a huge fan on my own but he's
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he's educated me in the ways you know I
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I at least like tasting them just to get
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the differences you know especially like
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Dogfish Head between the the 60 to 90
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and 120 minute ipas and it's interesting
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but I never choose to drink them i don't
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even like battling like tasting them
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alright so next year is the Alpine beer
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company too wet india pale ale Steve go
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get the go get the next for that now
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okay good CII gotta give this beer
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credit this this is an IPA that does not
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just beat you over the head with hops
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there's actually and flavors there and I
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like hops remarks that my dog is named
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hops and even then like I i really like
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the balance here that doesn't it doesn't
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go overboard isn't totally crazy it
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doesn't have the blast off like of
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lagunitas like we're all cut up your
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this is a lot smoother shots fired mhm
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just gonna say it i mean welcome i'm new
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to California so that kind of the whole
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this whole scene is is very very new to
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IPS where the hops can enhance the
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flavor are definitely my favorite the
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ones that just crank up the happiness to
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a point where it's almost impossible to
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drink I'm there with you Dan I can't I
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can't even like put them in my mouth but
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this 1i i will say about this that it
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tastes I I smelled it and thought wow
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that smells really strong but the taste
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was much milder than
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he smells going to be to my palate I
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agree Lauren and I both drank it and
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then looked at each other like yeah well
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this is something I would finish given
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it i wouldn't i wouldn't not turned out
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urine has dramatically held the glass
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out and poured it on now that's not true
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at all it's just because you two were
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hyper saturated with IPA that is so I've
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never liked I've never liked it because
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it tastes so like I said about the saves
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on the season has a flavor that I also
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recognizing the IPA but not those you
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know bitter flavor that I is it doesn't
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work for me i don't get it i find those
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other flavors kind of unpleasant and i
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find it all so now that you know after
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finishing that there's an aftertaste of
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the bitterness it's there and I just
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sure yet it reminds me of the 60 minute
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Dogfish Head I've got a beer picked out
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for Jason that's gonna close that we
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have a problem with IPS for me for a
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while has been that I live in San Diego
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where they're apparently has been some
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sort of a contest to try and produce the
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beer that actually cause your time to
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dissolve in your mouth that's
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hydrochloric acid Steve stop drinking
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yeah you want to contact that I've had
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recently has tasted very similar to that
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the old HCL IPA get 1i I kind of got
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turned off by IPS because of that and
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also because I PA for awhile became like
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sort of the sourdough of beers like it's
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what you would order because you didn't
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want to be the sort of ghost person that
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ordered white bread on your sandwich but
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you didn't know enough about beard know
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anything other than IPA is so that we
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found that kind of annoying i like
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sourdough though I love sara sara is
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great but it's like the default
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yes my question to you is what is the
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relationship between the bitterness and
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the flavors in the IPA the kinds of
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floral hobby flavors that go in there
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what is the appeal of making them so
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incredibly bitter and in this case this
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isn't very bitter that I can't drink I
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really do enjoy it even though the has
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said the aftertaste is rather bitter but
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uh what what is the relationship between
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the flavors that are popular and IPAs
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and the bitterness great question really
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glad i slept you that 20 bucks before we
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start like a free beer wasn't enough to
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consume to say things I'm so let's look
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so let me back up a little bit and talk
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a little bit about how beer is made
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so we start with a malted barley so
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that's barley that's been what they do
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is they soak it which causes it to
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germinate and start to sprout and then
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they fault that process by killing it
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and that creates this enzymatic process
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that converts the starches into sugars
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and makes that into a good yeast food so
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if you've ever had you know like a
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malted milkshake that's that same flavor
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that that we're driving there so you
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start with that you crack it and you
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soak it and you basically make
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multi-quote meal is what you've made
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there and then we run boiling water
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through that and that creates what
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Brewers called wort which is a sugar
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solution so we start out with basically
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just a giant boiling cauldron of boiling
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sugar water from multan that's that's
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the sugar source so we boil that for
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about an hour and during that hour we
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add hops and we add hops at the
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beginning it actually adds bitterness
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and then the you add more hops during
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the different times as you make the beer
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and hops that are added the end don't
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add any bitterness they only add flavor
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so if we go back like 10 years back
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extreme beer you know double IPAs are
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just really sort of blowing up that's
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when you've got all these hops being
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added at the beginning and middle of the
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process creating some good flavors but
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just an enormous amount of bitterness
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and so it's like biting into a Juniper
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branch is the exactly that I generally
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or like biting into like an orange peel
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with like a lingering pithy bitterness
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that can release it on your palate
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yeah doesn't sound great if i recall
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correctly the the IPA you know the india
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pale came from it was stable enough to
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ship right is that the origin of that
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well that's almost definitely the so
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there's a story that there was a ship
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bound for India and that it was
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shipwrecked and that all the town where
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it was shipwrecked drink the beer and
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was like this is super delicious we
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should drink this all the time
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that's almost definitely apocryphal and
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never happened but it is true that the
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india pale was developed specifically
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for ships going to India because of
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water super unsafe to drink lots of
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bacterial things going on
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whereas beer is actually she'll really
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stable and sit much much safer to drink
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the water is in these
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x because the fermentation process the
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alcohol and hops are actually a natural
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antiseptic that prevent infection in the
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beer that's how they first got used in
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BSO beer is better for you than water
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oh definitely ok I think I also heard
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that the the hops had a preservative
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effect is there any truth to that
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absolutely yeah that's the antiseptic
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quality so specifically it keeps promo
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lacto infection which is you know and
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one of our beers is brewed with lacto
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which you could culture from yogurt if
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you wanted to as well so there's all
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sorts of different you know to you know
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historically you'd make a beer and sort
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of whatever was in the air
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ads into it these days you know by
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boiling it your sterilizing it and we
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pitch a very specific East rain that we
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want to fuse and so like this duet is
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from san diego and that's brewed with
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the California or american ale strain
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really dry west side we'd really dry
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really clean really supportive of the
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hops as well so this beer I would say
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ninety to ninety-five percent of the
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hops are either added at the very end of
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the boiling process or in what's called
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a dry hop which is where you add hops
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after fermentation has already completed
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so if you take this beer and I'll teach
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you a kind of a fun beer tasting trick
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is you take the beer swirled around more
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fun than just tasting beer more fun than
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just tasting beer you take the beer
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swirled on your glass and stick your
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nose in here take a little more if you
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need it over there yeah sure just a
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little Jason's I don't want to thank you
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my nose out as we just say is I get it
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sorted around take a nice you know deep
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breath through your nose and you can
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really smell it and you can smell the
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character of that that that drive ads
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which in this case is like citrus and
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now if you do that again but do it with
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your mouth cracked open when you inhale
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through your nose
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what you'll find is it will actually
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pull the aroma back over your palate and
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you'll taste the aroma of the beer
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this is so weird i love it if you start
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to think maybe having this podcast in
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the room with the cat boxes was not the
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what we call an off flavor that's good
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the taste of pineapple and cat box
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benefit just element of litter
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I mean that's a hell of an IP so I i was
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saying earlier that I had kind of went
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through a period where I was not a fan
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of ipas and I've sort of become i I've
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kind of come back to the fold a bit but
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my preference is an IPA where they've
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done that they they seem to have taken
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care to try and not mask the character
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of the barley with the hops if I can
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still sort of taste that barley base
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under there that's an IPA that I
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appreciate this one to me is maybe a
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little bit more happy than I like I mean
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it's not bad but I i think my preference
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would be something where that that
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there's a little bit more complexity and
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I can taste more than just the hops this
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is not a subtle IPA that we pay no no no
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no marker you said you loved IPAs what
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do you think of this one I think it's
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based on what I've had I drank it like
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in like the kind of like the the third
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quarter person like that the highest
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third-quarter that makes sense like I've
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had ones that are better than this
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yeah well like you know middle middle to
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upper 20 fibers yeah basically i I've
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had I've had IPS I like better than this
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I i prefer generally a little more
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balanced with with the i I'm sorry for
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using probably wrong terms here but
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kinda with the barley flavor of
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generally what I find in dogfish head
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you know usually the 1690s never enjoyed
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that the doctor said 90-minute IPA is
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one of my favorite beers if not my
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favorite it that one really nails it
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the 60 is very similar just a little bit
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little bit you know lighter i guess i'm
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also for IP is also a big fan of of Big
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Daddy from speakeasy
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oh really the two very different styles
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they add hops you know during the
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hopped and so what they actually do is
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add the hops during that entire boil
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process so it's a 60-minute boil for the
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hops where they used to have like a
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table that they would set hops in and it
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steadily over it but as they've grown
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more hops in there
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no I like you if if what you're looking
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for is crisp and light they don't really
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do that like that like if if that's what
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the doctor said is not going to probably
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make anything that that's really for you
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dense rich very hoppy ales and things
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donna head which is very complex in
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happy I think my my favorite of all the
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the APRA hop which it's it's got the hop
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it just I don't know it it has that
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balance that I think I'm i don't i don't
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see that in will certainly 220 got 220 I
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still have nightmares about that one and
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also fit well with with all hoppy beers
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actually getting the beer fresh and
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local is going to be the number one
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thing that makes for that to be a great
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beer so hops are by far and away the
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most delicate aspect of the beer that's
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why the beer has to be packaged in brown
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bottles is light hops if it's exposed to
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light after its packaged causes it to
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skunk which tastes like wet cardboard
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which is why you waited green bottle
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don't like don't buy any models
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everybody green bottle that's why I p.m.
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draft oftentimes is better than IPA in
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the bots in in bottles and you know the
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was at the beer store picking them up
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obsessively checking packaging dates on
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every single one trying to find the
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freshest possible beer to send out to
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everyone so what does every beer have
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hops in every beer has hops it's not
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it's not by definition beer if it
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doesn't have hops it's a grew it alright
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so it's just a matter of so when we
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think of a hoppy hoppy beer it's a
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matter of how many is it like a martini
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where they they just pass the the hops
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yeah or or is it just a matter of when
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Lobby your beers versus the ones that
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know probably has five to ten percent of
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the hops that the IPA is gonna take but
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all of those hops are in that dry hot
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period so again it's not just what hot
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taste the bitter like actually I mean
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very like if its treated meanly
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afterwards or can still taste the bitter
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so many good time since we've had these
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two beers that both have very dull
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labels to talk about sort of a a an
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incidental thing for beer
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really i mean as far as the flavor is
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especially the speakeasy IPA from
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prohibition Marco they were talking
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we had a big daddy I've I've considered
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picking that up a couple of times just
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because i really like their their design
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style in there soon prohibition based
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their the names of their beers and the
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design on their bottles and it's amazing
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choice when I go to bevmo or total wine
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if you put some some real effort into
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your design for your bottles are your
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I'm much more likely to to to to to have
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an interest whereas both of these beers
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have the most boring labels and
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absolutely i mean that that mean I do i
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do design work so that's that always
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draws my eye and I mean i would say
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probably about 75 percent of the time if
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I'm trying something new it is because
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of the label or the name and yep and the
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creativity and the thought that went
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into it and i will say and this is not
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kissing up out of the five years we have
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here there's one label i really like yes
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i agree i was gonna say the yeah i agree
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occasion i go over to like whole foods
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create your own six pack thing and maybe
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I picked up a ballast point calm before
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the storm because it's got like a
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skeleton on it yeah like a pirate ship
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well I mean this is the this is the
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challenge with so many things like
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perfume is the same way right how do you
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how do you market something that you
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can't experience through your you know
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the the television or a newspaper or
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something like that you can't see it or
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you can see things and you might be able
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to hear things but you can't like taste
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or smell anything unless you actually
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have it so how do you market that right
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a product like this it's it's really
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tough and so yeah the eye-catching
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labels happens with wine as well right
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it's like and you end up sort of selling
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your style like we have the like the
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aisle I kinda like the the Alpine style
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it is plain but it's kind of very retro
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everybody was the same all of their
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beers have the identical design
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interested in anything on the bottom and
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it's I to me it doesn't do much for me
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but I mean that's what surprises me is
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so many breweries haven't learned that
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lesson or they just don't think it's
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important I mean alpine is very
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well-regarded here in san diego there
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they're well-known and I think they're
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probably their reputation is enough to
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sell their beers but I when I you know
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I'm choosing between say a alpine Willie
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and something else in the stores
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I'm more likely to go to the the more
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interesting design it just surprises me
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they're still breweries out there that
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don't seem to put a lot of thought or
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effort into that when you know for
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instance having been to San Diego and
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fallen in love with the orange avenue
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Cincinnati which is a fantastic grocery
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stores four acres of international food
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clearly they have like 1800 beers and I
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avenue wit and now the reason I bought
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because it jumped out on the on the
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last time I went up there they've
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changed their label in their design
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yeah and its really nice now you think
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it's well but it jumps out a little more
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like it's it's got color to it where is
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the last the last time i got it was it
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was just sort of a black box with you
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there but I spotted it without looking
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for it some more is in our our beer
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labels episode that will be a follower
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of your table drafts the voters track
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it's a draft you gotta taste each of the
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labels i co-founded Almanac with a
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designer so Damien my business partner
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store on act with was a designer before
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almanac and he ran a design consulting
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firm and they did work for like Hubert's
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lemonade and johnnie walker and Diageo
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in a bunch of brand so for us actually I
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criticisms of the beer industry and we
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this very core idea of we want the
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inside of the bottle to reflect the
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outside of the bottle and so now I now i
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wish people would slow down with making
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their beer look better
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it's more better think you're that was
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the first thing I noticed when I
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unpacked the beer was that your you do
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to the shape of the bottle which is
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yeah I mean it's also smartly made for a
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small brewery where you can just replace
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the label at the bottom to indicate what
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kind of beer it is but but it also the
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labels clearly have been designed with
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the fact that different colors you know
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immediately pop on the bottle and make
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impressed right off the top
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we're hiring in our marketing department
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also a huge fan of the the main beer
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you it's a bit a pretty good beer to
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fantastic views over there and they
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stand out in the store because they're
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juicy stark white labels with like basic
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it's like one simple thing there and
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they just look nothing like anything
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else in the shelf
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they really stand out when you're
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store or we're gonna move on to our next
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beer if anybody has any final final
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things to say about IPAs you may do so
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now the more I drink this the more I
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drink this Alpine duets be less I like
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it it I what I'm a hundred percent with
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you Bryan I had that wet cardboard
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started to sound pretty appealing like I
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finish this is on had one more sip of
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the IPA it's not that I don't like it
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but it really does get overwhelming on
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first city was the least overwhelming
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IPA I've had in a very long time so I i
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would have liked a small sample glass of
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it but honorable mention it's it's that
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yeah I i will put it in fifth place
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preemptively person i do it you want to
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yeah let's let's move on to the next 1i
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so let's let's open the California beer
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from San Francisco the anchor California
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lager this this is another 1i have
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yeah we have a lot of anger in our house
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because i like the anchor porter a lot
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yes thank reporter/anchor beer to the
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sort of standing for steam and control
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his team is is one of the beers I
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from college when you still drink beer
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that just said beer on the outside it
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across the bottom but you know that was
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not really much different than say the
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budweisers or the banquet beers that you
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that time there were a few that stood
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of the early beers that I remember
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seeing a lot of which unfortunately is
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gone now but but yet these I I think
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they're largely credited with kind of
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moving the craft beer craft back into
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the public eye are they not
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craft brewery so it was it was an
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existing brewery in san francisco and it
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early seventies and that the loneliest
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cheese family that's the same family
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anything they can't do
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maytag washing machines and Maytag blue
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cheese and anchor brand now
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maytag br2 they accidentally make cheese
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washing machines to get the smell of the
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cheese out of your food out of your
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ah so yeah so he purchased it then and
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Fritz we still see him around the San
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Francisco seen Fritz really has a
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grimace he's very grumpy and I like to
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take selfies with him every year I take
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selfies with him every year at the
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anchor christmas party which i call
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fritzie's and that has not taken off
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what is this sweetness i'm tasting so
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this is a logger so in that we were
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talking about east before you're tasting
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the blowback from the IPA haha so we're
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talking about yeast before so there's
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two major families in the in the beer
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lagers and ales and brewers refer to
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them as top fermenting and bottom
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industry to have the jargon be
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completely in decipherable from the
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outside and what that means here in this
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case is the yeast while it's actually
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converting the sugars into alcohol and
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co2 literally sit at the top of the
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vessel or the bottom of the vessel and
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so loggers are fermented a much colder
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there much slower to make compared to an
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IPA or stays on everything else we've
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had has been a nail so far tonight so
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loggers you know we're talking about you
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know a lot of things coming out the
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German brewing tradition like this all
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these German immigrants who came to sort
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of the Midwest and that's your your your
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analyzers in your bushes and and and all
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of that and that's why we have so much
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so much of popular american beer 2 this
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day is longer because it came out of
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that German condition yeah absolutely
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and they brought that German efficiency
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and precision to it as well
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ah yeah are they getting it is this from
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the bottom of the barrel or top so was
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that in the fermentation process is it
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longer longer lives at the bottom
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bloggers on the bottom so it's cold it's
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lower it's much slower so from a brewery
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perspective this beer takes twice as
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long to make as the IPA which is one
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reason i want to see as many craft
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brewers doing it is equipment and time
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are the most precious resources so if
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you can make two batches you can make
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twice as much IPA in the time it makes
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make one logger give generally speaking
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also it's not very good haha but in this
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case so logger you no longer is you know
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think of almost an absence of yeast
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character is going to bring forward the
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this is also a very light beer but a
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little bit sweeter but it's got you know
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with log we're looking for that
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smoothness and that comes from even
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after its fermented the logger then has
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to be cold condition so loggers actually
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German for to store and so previously
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you know they would stored in
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underground caves or in the Midwest when
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the beer industry get started
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k store start stacked with ice cut from
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local lakes with barrels appear I feel
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like loggers for me or are they they
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have some similarities with out
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he's in the sense that I feel like a lot
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of them taste kind of say me to me i'm
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and and i think the difference is I i
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generally am fine with them i find them
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in offensive and I think they are they
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are like on a nice on a hot day there
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there's something to be said for a
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longer but I feel like outside of
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something like a like a black lager I
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have a hard time distinguishing
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characters of one logger from another if
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you poured me a glass I'm not sure I'd
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be able to you know in a blind taste
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test tell you what it was which was not
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say i don't like it i just i again not a
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beer that I generally reach for because
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I find them to be sort of
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yeah longer will forever be I think
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stained by the fact that the budweisers
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of the world are technically that kind
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of beer and they're not very good
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yeah i think this over a Budweiser but
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the thing that makes this standout i
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think from those is that the you can
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actually taste some of the barley in
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yeah there's some flavor there's some
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little more flavor to it then you would
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get in sort of like your average sort of
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you know in domestic type water but it's
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yeah it's definitely there's there's
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less strong flavor I feel like I mean to
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me like all the loggers just tastes like
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college that tastes like that's what I
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love about it right well because like
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you know it for almost four almost
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everyone who was like drinking cheap
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beer in college that's all you can
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afford you're in college
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almost all of it is lockers you and
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agent looking at the budweisers and and
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the Millers of the world like a pretty
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much everything they make is a logger or
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a poor imitation of a craft beer of some
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yeah when I was a teenager I had a coors
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and I didn't drink beer for another 10
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years because that's terrible that's the
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like I loggers have a certain element of
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their tastes kinda like that what you
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get kind of like Midway toward the end
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of the taste kind of like kind of like
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clamps onto your tongue and doesn't let
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it's kind of like an attacking flavor
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that then I do i I can't describe any
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better than that but all loggers tastes
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like that and I feel like that is
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responsible for so many people being
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turned off of beer because all that
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because they think all beer tastes like
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that and it might be a long time before
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they ever have a stouter a nail or you
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know anything else but that's not a
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longer because so many beers are just
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all loggers that you get in most places
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in america america until very recently
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that was beer was a logger was a light
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lawyer was be right for almost everybody
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and and I stole my older relatives are
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still like even the imports they were
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all loggers like the low and brats right
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and when you're in the forests who who's
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working in the forest loggers loggers
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sure well when I was growing up my dad
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the I think that beer that he
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predominantly that I remember him
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drinking when I was growing up was
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Molson's which is a lawyer yeah I I did
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you know and whatever I mean like you
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know I i remember having like Jason I
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remember having a sip of that at a young
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age and his you know like he he he sort
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of like how you want to try some of this
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and i also was like turned off for beer
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throughout like most of my college CBI I
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want to party with the spear or so bad
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it's 94 on the spot for you to me like a
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Red Solo Cup is my vein right here
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yeah that's and that's all you know the
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quality microbrewed version of of that
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time I mean sure I think we would all
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probably choose the anchor logger over
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over the king of beers let's say oh yeah
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we're gonna experience in fairness to
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anchor as loggers go this is very
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oh yeah and and Men as a logger hater I
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i actually find this reasonable
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yeah so i'll offer offer a little of the
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defense all right Chrissy here's my
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deciding for one defense of loggers I'm
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afraid you will fall on deaf ears but go
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for it well i thought i was gonna have
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to come here and defend IPAs but
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everyone here secretly an IPA lovers and
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chase what this slide no actually I
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don't think that's going to stand by
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cast and you start i'll drink a free IPA
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you really need to send us more more
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beer to handle a problem schedule has
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some cool episode lock their you know we
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what we have here is a lighter logger
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but logger has the full range that IP
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that ails do we just aren't seeing as
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much of it here so if you go into other
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brewing traditions like the German
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brewing tradition there's light lagers
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their star cloggers there's double box
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and type in my box and there's even a
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pls which are IPAs made with loggers so
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we can find two things for people here
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to dislike our box specifically loggers
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are they can they also be ales no boxer
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loggers and I was really is ok yeah so
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that's like a spa
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meantime darker are traditionally darker
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darker longer and I love black black and
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dark loggers I think our life and I
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really enjoy that but i think it made
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that they have more mulch traditionally
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right exactly well they have the dark
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multan it's been dark alone yeah like a
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like a shiner I don't like yeah I'll get
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your box and then from a brewers
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perspective with a logger like this
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there's nowhere to hide
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there's there's any every little teeny
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flaw you know it is very very
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perceptible and laid bare
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unlike an IPA you know where is it you
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got that huge hop flavor that if there's
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something a little bit off in the malt
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or something like that there's so much
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other big flavor covering it up that you
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can't see it so this is so simple
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oh yeah you could strain your spring
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water straight off somebody's catheter
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and you never know it in my car
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steve lets you you missed a career in
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beer journalism if you could let me tell
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yeah it'sit's no I mean my we went we
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took my in medical to Carl strauss's in
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san diego and Carl's hasn't you know
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eight different beers on tap and my
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uncle's question was what do you have
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that's the most like miller lite
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I think that was literally and they got
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him I don't even know what I was
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probably a light lager of some sort
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Carl straps himself was the master
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brewer at papst haha and before he came
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out to San Diego and opened his craft
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brewery so you know he's not that far
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removed from that tradition is true may
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be one of a blue ribbon so you know
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where you gonna still riding the
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coattails on that that's right blue
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yeah i'm convinced my love of pabst blue
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ribbon is at this point Stockholm
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Syndrome probably yes that's that's what
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they're counting on that's it's it's
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also cheats in certain contexts there's
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nothing wrong with a with a Coors Light
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I'm sorry context where you really want
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to be drinking water but you feel like
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you have to drink beer to fit
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yeah i mean it's it's what we call out
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here fizzy yellow water but if that's
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it's okay well PBR is bit has benefited
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from that whole like you know sort of
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the hipster researcher exactly saying
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back Jesse I mean I'm interested in your
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take on it and would you say that that
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just longer because we're kind of
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bashing longer here a little bit but it
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is longer get beat up because it became
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popular and because there are all these
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mass-produced beers is there more would
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you say there's more to it than that or
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would you say that know it what you see
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is what you get with a locker
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yeah i think when we are all here are
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saying logger I think what everyone
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means is macro beer and ya know right I
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my you know I drink natty 890 light in
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college was my poison of choice that boy
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that's a step out you are your photos
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rich kids I just remember when we could
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afford not to buy natty crist that was
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the really rough 10 is doing his best
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friend in Baltimore and and all the
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parties you know it was like
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wall-to-wall national bohemian and they
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called it if this wasn't even like me
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saying oh wow what is this garbage
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no they called the battery acid but you
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could buy like 60 cans for ten bucks so
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I see in my day if your beer didn't have
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an exclamation mark at the end or reboot
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under the cap or threaten or Cobra
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so yeah I think I think logger logger is
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very sort of nascent right now in the
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craft beer world and there is some
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really exciting stuff coming out of it
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but it's also i think it's i think it's
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important for craft beer to be a big
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tent you know and i think their space
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care lightly flavored drink it on the
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beach being able you know Almanac makes
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a pilsner too and i really like
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sometimes people want to have a
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20-minute conversation or a to our
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podcast about beer but sometimes they
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just say hey can I have a beer and I
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love having a beer that I can stand them
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and say here's a beer flavored beer you
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know and it doesn't have to do that
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yeah it's really pilsners were
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bad-mouthing here isn't it not someone
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like pilsners come on I'll of pills so
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what's the difference between a pilsner
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a logger logger is like a family and a
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pilsners a specific kind of kind of
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example yeah so yeah and so actually in
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a lot of pilsners you know a real
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traditional one will tend to be
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fairly bitter and hoppy actually as well
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really oh yeah like a check a check
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style pilsner something yeah about those
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damn terrible to you know i would go in
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camelback Gentiles I want to put a word
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in for recently I had there's a local
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brewery here jack's abby and that they
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have a great black lager called the
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smoke and dagger which I bought a
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six-pack of a few weeks ago which i
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think is very very good
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I unit there is something to me about
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like I I like you know it isn't you it's
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interesting to learn about the sort of
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the larger category of loggers and all
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these things that fall under it and
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there are certainly elements of it that
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I like and elements of it that I find as
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you said as we talked about before just
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a little bit sort of generic and watered
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down when i was in Ireland a couple
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years ago I had a beer there were these
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guys who have this like beer making
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machine that they were selling on that I
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don't know if there was anywhere was
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like a beer robot you put the stuff in
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you press the buttons and it makes the
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beer and a robot
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yeah it was like it or not or not but uh
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but uh and one of the things we tasted
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like just anybody does this remind
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anybody have a beer that they've had and
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I was like yes it does and I was like
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the only one there were a couple of us
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and we were in California Californians
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and they're like what is this beer we
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had and it turned out it was a dark
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lager a dart of a certain style that was
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basically the only beer that's in that
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style that's mass-produces negra modelo
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and and it was a great story because
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they did what they basically said was
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yeah this is a traditional German beer
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and those Germans went to Mexico and
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they ended up being like the only ones
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who made that style of beer so it kind
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of faded away elsewhere but there is
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still being made in mexico and when i
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write your American very early when I go
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to a Mexican restaurant that is exactly
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what I will I like making a guy like
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negra modelo I'm up most nights similar
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to go to accept corona is actually
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vienna lager so are like dosa keys and
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beers like that those are all theater
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all in that style which is all the
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Germans went everywhere and taught
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everyone to make beer the way the way
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they make it the way they made in
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germany during the fatherland is the
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yeah we went there but seems like corona
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has that little extra special something
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that makes it particularly offensive
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learn what do you think about it was was
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perfectly fine and drinkable and act
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slowly I think will probably become my
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new I'm gonna bring beer to your house
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kind of beer because a lot of the beer
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that I like I think might be weird like
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I'm not gonna bring hell or high water
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melon to somebody to somebody I love
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Hillary my water I really like it but
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no but Lauren you take it to their house
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so that you can be like oh you didn't
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like it all the rest is inevitably well
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I'm your friend ok that cool but lord I
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really brought to you through your
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muscles can i light but this I think is
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very good and I think probably drinkable
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by a wide range of pallets and when wear
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it out if you're not liking the logger
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just put some lemonade on top of it and
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that's what I say longer top chasing
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your big anchorman right yeah i was
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gonna actually ask jesse i'm an
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anchorman thank you stay classy San
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Diego stay classy maybe but uh one of
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the things i found about these anchor
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piercings they all have some flavor in
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common because when I've had the anchor
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we to the anchor logger and of course
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the anchor porter and the anchor steam
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they all have something about him that I
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can tell it's an anchor beer what is
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that do they have like a secret
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ingredient that they put all their beers
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just as part of the anchor tradition the
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yeast is a huge factor of it so like her
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the anchor steam beer uses a very very
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specific East that's actually it's
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basically an a logger yeast that's
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fermented as a nail
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so you know like everything else it's
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all sort of gradients and so that's a
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logger that's fermented on the warmer
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side i believe they use it in this
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California logger to I always sort of
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identified that house character is a
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little bit sort of a dirty banana is how
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I dirt banana kind of internet banana in
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yeah I don't even know I don't even have
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a word for it I flavor i know the that's
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that anchor the rust scraped off an old
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anchor beer is so process dependent that
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if we take you know if we take this
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California lager recipe and we move it
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to another brewery and we brew the exact
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same recipe there that beer will come
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out tasting significantly different that
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equipment shape effects yeast flavor
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process very very very small decisions
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all impact how I beer is made so beer is
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the truth is it's very not very much
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ingredient-driven it's much more
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process-driven and so making all that
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beer on that same equipment and they
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have this this in you know if you ever
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in san francisco i highly recommend
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touring the anchor brewery you have to
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set up ahead of time but they have like
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a turn-of-the-century all copper German
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brew system that was brought over that's
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incredibly beautiful really really cool
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and all the Brewers wear white coveralls
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like Oompa Loompas it's because they're
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drunk crap alright and there
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ameri their orange let's move on to the
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next beer but what we have next jesse is
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this might be one that's near due to
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your whole this is a pretty bottle i see
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it is it is now near and dear to my
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we're gonna we're gonna drink one of
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mine and we're gonna go sort of the
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complete opposite direction of the last
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year we had so this is an almanac beer
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company beer it is are we called it our
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white label because i'm a sucker for a
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high-concept beer
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this is all the beers we've had so far
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have been made you know what I'd call
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using traditional brewing process so we
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make the wort we talked about we are
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hops we fermented for two to four weeks
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package it send it out the door ready to
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this beer is barrel-aged so it's a
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process that looks a lot more like wine
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making so to make this beer we made the
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beer just like we did before and in this
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case we blend it with about twenty
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percent of Muscat grape juice from a
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local winery that is then added in
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addition to brewer's yeast we actually
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use a cocktail of wild yeast so this is
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sort of drawing on belgian lambic
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tradition so we're using brittana my
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season lactobacillus and PDO caucus and
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all the bugs that traditionally entire
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brewery is dedicated to keeping out we
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welcome in our you just feed this
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bacteria what's happening right yes
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that's exactly what i was doing this is
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yogurt on this is very pro this is great
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for you this is very probiotic i was i
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was going to ask because I mean I
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started drinking a few seconds earlier
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hey it was clear working ahead put down
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the pencil i was gonna ask if it was
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related to the lambic style because
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lambics are possibly if I were
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if I were just gonna drink one thing for
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the rest of my life it would be
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raspberry lambic and it has that same
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the the it hits the tongue the same way
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and it has the the sort of aftereffect
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the same way which I really like
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so when Jesse mentioned the Muscat grape
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modes like jumped out of my seat
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maybe that's what that I identify you
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yeah that was what you were thinking a
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little flavor and I mean it's got this
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really distinct sharpness to it and that
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I mean yeah didn't I mean I mean it's it
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that flows first right it's really and
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just what we've you know we've kind of
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gotten real go see about aromatics but
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this has a very nice aromatic to it and
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I know it seems good and well that is a
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that is hops is what you're smelling
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there so we actually after we
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barrel-aged it we put the spear back
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into a stainless steel tank we make very
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complicated beers if you haven't we put
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it back into a stainless steel tank and
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then we dry hop it basically like an IPA
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but in this case this is an IPA that
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only has those aroma hops known as the
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bitterness ops at all so you get a big
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hop aroma but very little actual hop
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flavor and we're using uh really there's
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a bunch of cool new hops coming out of
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Germany right now really cool fun
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aromatic ops and this is a one called
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Howard our blanc which kind of smells
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like Riesling grape in a little bit sort
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of like a watermelon a little cantaloupe
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and so we sort of combine that yet this
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takes to me like a Shandy but you used
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Chardonnay instead of lemonade sure
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that's what all that Shannon a it's very
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acidic very bright and all that acid is
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created naturally that's all fermented
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in the barrel because the oak barrel
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naturally breeds and allows in a little
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bit of oxygen at a time and that allows
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that natural fermentation so we actually
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we agent all the barrels and then
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where's a blending process as well where
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we go through and taste hundred barrels
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and select the ones we like to put the
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blend together which sounds really fun
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and kind of becomes like a bataan death
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yeah take Jerry Jerry said yourself my
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god I'm so ripped i can't do anymore
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this like you just have to back off a
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little bit i mean you can't do this all
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that's what assistant Brewers r4i get
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that job the whole floor the blue
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brewery is littered with drunkenness is
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the truth is we're usually doing this in
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my question for you is this indicative
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of all sour beer processes are just
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there's a couple different ways of doing
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it we focus on a barrel aging process
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it's slow it's more traditional you know
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we call it a sour beer we wouldn't i
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wouldn't call it a lambic
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wouldn't call it a lambic
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lambic and goose i kind of consider holy
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terms like champagne that you know you
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can only call it that if you're making
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it in that region of Belgium and so we
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just aspire to make beers in that style
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there is a sourness to it that is
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well it's essentially kind of me but
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it's delightful its own right yeah oh
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yeah i gotta say i'm new to sours i've
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only recently tried my first sour a
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couple of mump weeks months i don't know
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i don't really remember some time ago
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and i have to say i originally it
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sounded like a terrible idea
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it's like NYU wait a minute you guys
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worked really hard to not make your beer
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sour and foul and now you're telling me
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it's a good thing maybe you're just
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trying to save money but i think i think
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i've actually become kind of a sour fan
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i think this it really adds an
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interesting kind of twist to to the beer
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yeah i mean there there's a brewery out
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here in Cincinnati called rivertown
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brewing that is also doing a lot of
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different types of sours and I've had I
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mean I've had several there's before
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some of them are really good that do
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they have a cherry that is delightful
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and my wife went to the liquor store a
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couple months back and she was looking
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for lambic and they didn't have any
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lambic and the person at the counter
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said all you like this and gave her a
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river town sour which was not at all
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you know I mean yes it has it has
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similar characteristics is the similar
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process but it just it was not a lambic
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and she took one sip and 100 no I
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finished the other fives
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yeah that's good smart man I was alright
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with that I like the fruit tartness of
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it Marco what do you think of this one
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mm-hmm Oh in the world of music there's
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a whole bunch of like you know there's
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like this area where all the popular
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genres kind of live near each other and
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then kind of off like off in the
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distance like doing their own thing or
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the jam bands and as a huge fish fan i
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I'm I'm I'm over there God but nobody
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else likes what we do
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yeah there's a reason for that right and
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so to me to me this is kind of like
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there's like the world of like typical
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beer flavors the typical log
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typical ails the typical IPA like what
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what people think of as this is the
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family of things that taste like beer
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and then off to the side doing their own
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crazy thing are thus our people and the
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people who are making like you know
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fruit wine beer and things like that
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this to me it tastes so different from
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all other kinds of beer that to me it's
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like if you're looking for a beer taste
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this entire category is probably going
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to be very unexpected and and possibly
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in a negative way just because it wasn't
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what you were expecting
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so for me the entire I've never had a
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sour beer lighter barleywine i like i
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like the things are kind of on the edges
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of beer making compared to popular
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culture and what is generally available
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everywhere what people think of as beer
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i've liked almost none of those things
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and so for me this this doesn't do it
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for me because it just it tastes so
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different from regular beer it's so sour
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and it's so there's so much other things
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going on there it's just it's not what I
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it's a totally different I mean it is a
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very really different flavor and a lot
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sorry was that i was deleting overcast
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yeah I'm friend while everybody was
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talking I refill my my class like two or
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three times so i like it is it is it
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feels very different to me because it's
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got that kind of hanging this is like
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then again like most said but like you
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know when you drink some grape juice or
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fruit juice right you get a little bit
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that that seemed kinda kinda tang to it
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definitely is a very different flavor
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Lauren what do you think of this one I'm
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I I appreciate the it's not a regular
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beer sentiment like if I feel like oh I
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want to be here maybe this isn't it but
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this is so so good it's really fantastic
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yeah I'd like I cried a lot every I'd
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that fruity is going to be more like my
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thing but I i liked it quite this is
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really good like a treat this is not
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this is not an everyday beers if this is
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what I pulled out of the fridge it would
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be 0 this is a wonderful i don't know
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that i would have it every day for seven
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of them but it's it's fantastic i like
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yes I i really like this i think it's a
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this is this is very good I feel like I
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wouldn't probably sit down with a
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six-pack of this necessarily well
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because it seems like it would
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get like your tongue would be done with
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it after a little while see there's a
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little too much going on the pill the
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intensity of it you you couldn't do more
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than one bottle of it a shot
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well lets you know well maybe grounds
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like couldn't do it but this is the type
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of beer this detection hours you would
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have with Emile say or some of these
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beers and general you would have you
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it's not to get get your party on with
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and I have to always you know kind of
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comeback to that this is more something
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you would have it like a nice meal with
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yeah I i agree with that i actually was
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thinking like this is a great like
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Thanksgiving dinner kind of thing
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straight special occasion kind of kind
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of kind of thing where we get this
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really nice thing that's not like your
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everyday beer flavor
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yeah i would i would pair this with thai
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food who this is sort of like you
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floated a yellow sour patch kid in class
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even even with the rivertown i pretty
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much only had it with meals and with you
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know big hearty meals not even just like
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you know I'm gonna have a drink with my
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my sandwich everything i said earlier
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about IPAs throw that out the window
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when it comes to sour because as much as
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I don't like overwhelmingly bitter IPAs
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give me the most frequent our thing you
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have is you and I gotta say it doesn't
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disappoint sourness in my opinion brings
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out the kinds of fruity flavors that IPA
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is just can't muster without being as
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overwhelmingly bitter as IPAs this is
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definitely a hit for me of the four so
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far it's only the second 1i finished of
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the i went to a brewpub in portland that
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only serves they brew their own sour
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beers and when I was ordering they
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actually gave me like a disclaimer like
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you know what you're going to get here
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these are Sarah city of her house ever
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it was really good but it was I see why
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you you know they probably get a lot of
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angry people who like what is this this
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different are medium rare and has a warm
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that just doesn't doesn't do it for me
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flavor in a meal that was complimentary
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to this and that would work well for it
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but just drinking it in a vacuum alone
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by itself and this is just me and it's
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not that I don't like sour things I but
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sour beers for me I've never been a huge
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attractiveness especially the i guess
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the the goes is now becoming very
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popular in a lot of places and I I'm not
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really developed a taste for those
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either so I I appreciate the four in the
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fruit sort of part of it overwhelms for
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me like marco was saying this sort of
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the beer aspect of it and so for
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whatever reason i feel like i'm a moron
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that this i'm drinking fermented juice
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that's more work for us more for us then
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absolutely from experience with the
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local restaurant i do design work for a
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filet mignon with a raspberry
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demographics and a garlic smashed
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potatoes and this would be perfect with
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it so nice you know what I mean all
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favorites that will be created with
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I agree with Dan and Marco and that this
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is not your average beer this doesn't
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taste anything like what your regular
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beer would taste like but I don't know
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that's what I love about it there's a
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place in Boston I go with my girlfriend
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all the time and for like a solid month
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their quote unquote beer of the week was
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the most sour thing I've ever tasted and
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elderflower beer i can remember the
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brewery your God was magnificent
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it's possible that if this is your
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favorite type of beer that maybe you
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should really be drinking wine cast and
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wine that's the thing really like wine
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but again it's a matter of expectations
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right like you go in you go in knowing
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what to expect with a wine and you go in
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i think we people have different
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expectations for that or a beer right
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and and there's different there are
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different characteristics to them but I
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I get what's good with that is
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yeah i mean we're talking about how much
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more complicated this is produced it's
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worth mentioning this is also much more
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expensive as a result so you know we
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package this in a 375 milliliter bottle
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which is like a half wine bottle and
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this retails for ten to twelve dollars
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you know in that such model I think
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that's actually semi-reasonable so we
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get me to die i'm not a big fan of
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my research involves what they put on
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their end let's see it seems like the
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the cost has gone up ridiculously and
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i'm sure some of that is the costume
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ingredients going up but i'm not a fan
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of the sort of trend of decreasing the
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standard size of your purchase from 624
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right in there are a few breweries
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palace point that I think charging more
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than they probably should for things but
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if you're if you're specifically looking
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for something that's like more of a
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unique experience then a something to
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drink to get a little it up on a friday
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night and that's perfectly reasonable I
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think the idea here was to give a full
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spread of options right now because I
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had no I had no expectation that anyone
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in fact I think of anyone liked every
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single beer we put in front of them I
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wasn't stretching far enough in this
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election year was the idea was to try
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and just exposed try new things and
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hopefully everyone finds you know a new
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style or flavor that they like it's
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great if it's bri made but it certainly
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doesn't have to be next beer is coming
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oh look at that affects a lot to KO open
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your cans everybody LOL alright wait
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what did i miss i walk in and Jason
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saying open your kin
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yeah it just got dark
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alright i'm excited this is a dark so
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when we were doing the survey and taking
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in a fee know everyone telling us when
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their favorite beer styles where there's
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a huge one of favorites for dark beer
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and so I really wanted to put on Charlie
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yeah we tell which is I applaud you for
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actually because that's a bold move
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well it was a if if we were representing
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the beer industry in general it would
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have been zero out exactly exactly and
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that's why I'm asset but this is one of
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my favorites are this is Maui Brewing
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Company this is their coconut Porter so
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it's a fairly traditional English style
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Porter they take local coconuts they
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toast them and then basically add it to
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the beer where you would do a dry hop
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they just add coconut instead so jason
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has now roll back into his serious but I
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chose this year specifically thought
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Jason was really like
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get ya goodbye everybody about this
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because i had from from kona before and
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I thought that was pretty good although
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it got a little cloying after nine or
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yeah let feel like I'm getting stronger
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just drinking it's pretty good i was i
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was about say I you know I looked it up
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because I was curious and Steve I've
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also had the cocoa brown and I would
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agree with your assessment hundred
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percent and that it's just that it
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tastes it starts out very good but I
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feel like as you go on the sweetness
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overpowers the beer and it right
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I I lose taste for it probably about
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halfway through this feels a little my
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love I'm i love Porter's love porters
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and stouts they're my favorite beers
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hands down and uh I'm but i'm not a big
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coconut fan this is not as I feel that
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the coconut flavor does not overpower as
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much here and it doesn't attract as much
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from the beer flavor / also on the whole
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I i give this a thumbs up Jesse what is
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your order I'm liking I haven't tasted
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it yet but god this smells fantastic
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know that too yeah it smells like do the
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toastiness I think of the coconut that
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makes ya what's a porter and what makes
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a dark beer so Porter is another kind of
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ale in this case it comes it's an
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English style ale so English tiles
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traditionally brewed with an
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english-style yeast you know I always
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like to describe the yeast as sort of
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you can think of it as representing
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national character in some ways so
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german lager yeast is very no-nonsense
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in serious and Belgian yeast is sort of
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funky and weird and out there and the
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belt in the English East is kind of
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bubbly and expressive tends to have it
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has some Esther profiles for plans
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halfway in between Belgian and Germans
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like most English people value is yeah
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that s your profile with my grandmother
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okay with all dark beer the way it's
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made dark is it has a very small
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percentage usually five to ten percent
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max of dark malt so that's malta you
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know we make the baseball and then a
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small portion of that is actually
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roasted much more to make it much darker
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but it's actually just a very very small
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amount of specialty multi gives all that
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color and all of that flavor so you know
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a common thing is people saying Guinness
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it's like drinking a loaf of bread and
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it's actually the the exact opposite is
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3likes inated than a loaf of bread sure
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well not my mom probably my favorite
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food my favorite beer but this is it's
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pretty low alcohol it's really drinkable
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it's kind of got some nice toasted
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Lauren has just dumped her border into
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my class so that it's I want your word
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that you're you you you go ahead today
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alright isn't it nice that you married
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somebody that's really is it's perfect
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it's a whole Peter Peter pumpkin eater
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thing going on there is a very well I do
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love overall I mean just looking at some
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of the reactions to all the different
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beers that we've tried tonight you know
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there are clearly very very different
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tastes and so it's nice that beer is
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such a it's such a large tent that
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encompasses all these things if you like
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beer if you like dark beer that's fine
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and you don't like IPAs that's fine if
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you do like loggers whatever you know
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like it's it's great that there are all
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the other is so much variety i think you
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know that everybody can find something
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that they like when i'm not a huge
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Porter fan I like it alright get out
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like it as an answer
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well I like a dessert beer oh good
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oh no and i love i love Guinness
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straight from the tap picturing David
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had wandered yourself up underneath the
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tab eggs with hell yeah you know when am
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I in Ireland business you have third one
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hot cold and guinness as the three
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today they have a tap in all the rooms
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yet but this this is the third one I
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would finish i would i would totally
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finished this one yet this this actually
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might be my favorite and I expected to
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hate it because I when I saw like a
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coconut flavored beer I'm like that's
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going to be terrible but it actually is
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it's it's done very subtly it's done
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really with a lot of restraint and so
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it's it is just like a little essence of
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coconut in an otherwise good porter and
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that is really not what i expected
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invent a very I'm very pleasantly
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surprised by it and i will get i will
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get marco on my back for saying this but
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I i'm not a coffee drinker but I love
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coffee porters and there's just it's
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something about the the character of the
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coffee mixing with the character of the
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porter it's it's a great i hate to use
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word synergy but it is it's great to
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know what I mean Porter which is my
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favorite beer style to you know the most
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common flavors associated with our
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coffee and chocolate chocolate and i I
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lean more toward the chocolate the
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coffee although i had some very good
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Coffee pours even though I don't drink
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coffee either sometimes it feels like
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they just literally poured out of coffee
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into the beer and it tastes like
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drinking coffee and I don't love that
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but sometimes it can be very good the
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coconut is unusual as a mixture with
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with it i see why they do it and I I
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don't think it's that subtle I think
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it's pretty dramatic but I'd but I like
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you to try that cocoa Porter is way is
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for that store know and I'll I and i
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bought this at bevmo i bought the Amalfi
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coconut Porter before and and because i
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like it's the toasting of it that really
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works though it doesn't taste like
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co-hosting amazing it really works just
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as well we're 90 minutes and now it's
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perfect I hope your overcast is now set
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to hire centre is a knife is that just
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real quick like an alcohol check is
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everybody feeling like pretty good right
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now pretty loose
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oh hell yeah occasionally standard right
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now most actually beyond repair
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I you know I love porters and I love
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stouts I which are basically the same
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thing but with different names this to
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me it's ok it's it's missing a little
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bit of bite i like i like a kind of
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maybe a little bit mean I'm bitterness
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but you know your your oatmeal stouts
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and some of yours kind of American
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stouts have a bit more of a I guess I'd
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like a crunchiness to them this is
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smoother this is closer to like a
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guinness which is not my favorite but
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but it's very good i will say also major
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shout out to them to the left hand
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brewing milk stout nitro yeah
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oh yes fantastic that is but like I I
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was like us like as like you know a
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teenager and young person and then once
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I found out this whole other world of
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stops menu which are better it would I
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never found one that I really love is
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like a nice kind of like everyday go to
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until I found left hand milk stout nitro
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like that is I mean everyone without the
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nitros is also very good but the Nitro
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kind of makes it cooler it is so so good
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as like a nice everyday replacement for
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guinness for people who like us before
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just try left hand milk stout it's so
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much better yeah i'm not a big fan of
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the Nitro personally for the same
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reasons maybe it you're close enough to
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have you ever run across Lancaster milk
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stout no I have you you you need to find
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that most common be our song
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Pennsylvania was keystone light yellow
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one yelling oh no angle a little older
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he was too expensive when i was when i
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was in college in pennsylvania things
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like the reach this is skepticism I'm
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seeing in this room about the teenagers
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with their Guinness drinking but it will
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just gonna let that go i get goodness I
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is fine it's like the budweiser stats
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but it's fine it's fine but I i have i
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have Steve to thank for introducing me
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to the milk stout oh my god so good so
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just you're going to say something about
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stouts and porters also the main
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difference is the inclusion of black
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malt which actually would add that
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replac malt is a lot of multi you can
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actually take the house coughs oh it's d
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bittered and so you can add just the
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dark and some of that roast flavor but
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doubts will include multiple actually
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has more of that charred bitter
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character which is the main difference
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and I think that's what your liking in
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their dad that does it and then nitro is
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really interesting in beer too
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so nitrogen that was invented by
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guinness specifically really to you I
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was invented to cause it traditionally
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that was like a hand pump so English
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hand pump which is what we think of as
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like a scale so that would be beer that
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most of us would describe as warm and
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flat and so I the nitrogen actually it
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sort of the ideas it really creates that
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and nitrogen gives it that really thick
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silky mouthfeel that's actually from the
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nitrogen and then it actually suppresses
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a lot of flavors to which is one of the
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reasons that last Guinness without like
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export Guinness vs guinness stout the
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nitrogen really suppresses a lot of
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those flavors and gives you that rich
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mouthfeel but the trade-off as you lose
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a lot of the other flavor
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characteristics of the beer
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see I feel that but when it comes to
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porters of my favorite beer and i also
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I've had some good
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no coffee stout some coffee Porter's but
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honestly I feel like adding any sort of
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extra coffee flavor to a beer this dark
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kind of ruins the coffee elements of it
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if that makes any sense so the
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the left hand milk stout with the Nitro
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and it tastes more like coffee then like
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I had an espresso porter in portland at
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one point and to me that mouth feel and
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the rich flavor even if it suppresses
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lot of those flavors is more important
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to me than adding actual coffee
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have you tried the BBC coffeehouse
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Porter I that one is one that I've
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always enjoyed and found not I I feel
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like a good marriage between the coffee
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and beer flavors
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yes that's the one I had in Portland oh
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yes like I mean as as possibly one of
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the resident coffee nerves of the show
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and by yeah possibly i mean the guy i
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wrote my own coffee i love coffee but I
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have never had a coffee beer that I
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wanted a second one of em well i think
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is interesting also to note that the
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people here who said they liked coffee
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flavored butters drink probably don't
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drink coffee but yeah same here i love
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coffee flavor i love coffee scent i
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don't think i got fifty coffeepots
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Porter tastes like coffee smells rather
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than my coffee tastes yeah he doesn't
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agree with the thing I mean nobody asked
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if I'm standard Alice again as with
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almost anything else if like the first
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year that the stone coffee milk stout
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came out I didn't like it at all because
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the coffee was way up front and it
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completely drowned out that the milk
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stout aspect to it and then last year
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dates i guess they changed their their
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formulation every year the one that they
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produced was really really good
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the coffee was sort of down a little bit
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in the mix and the milk stout flavor
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kind of came in and it was almost like
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somebody poured some cream in a nice
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really good cup of coffee and it was
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very very good so i would suggest that
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if you have not like those in the past
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keep trying because you may find one
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that that works for you
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well you know there are i was i was
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described as a monster by a friend the
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other day for being with you like those
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things that are like eating like
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drinking a loaf of bread and they're at
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their dark and awful and that's like you
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know so it's nice to know the way I've
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got some other fellow dark beer drinkers
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on to be fair you were smashing a
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Japanese town at the time too yeah
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that's true i was just lumbering through
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it you are totally a monster to my a
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monster but i also like dark beer and
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its fine there's nothing wrong with that
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we have we exhausted the beer selection
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that you chose is that right
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that is all I mean people are welcome i
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just start over start you're single and
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all right what I wanted to do was go
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around and uh I wanted to ask everybody
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to tell us what your favorite beer is
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because i think that would be that would
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be a fun thing to do on a way out and
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and actually two things
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tell us what your favorite beer was of
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the ones we tasted and what your
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favorite beer in general is that's why
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would like well top you're getting none
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of that is you know what did you tell us
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what was your favorite of the five we
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tasted and what's your favorite all-time
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beer or your favorite current beer i
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think i met today I'm going to give the
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nod to the allagash the allagash saison
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ah not so much because I loved it but
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because i love that the response we got
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from everybody that I really liked that
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I thought they did a really nice job of
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you know it's that first beer and so we
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got everyone's pallets woken up and
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going and it was sort of cool to see
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people come into this and you know see
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you know being you know I balls deep in
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the beer world I just assumed people
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know what some of the stuff is and it's
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you know I was sort of very much
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reminded one saison that's a nonsense
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word that a lot of people don't
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understand but to that's a great beer
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that we should get more people drinking
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all the time but usually there's a whole
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lot more beer styles out there that we
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haven't tried so there's like several
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episodes here waiting to Jason I really
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like your house I think I'll stay
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yeah i got mattress you can get it right
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here what's your favorite beer my
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favorite beer or vol which is a belgian
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beer brewed by is also a that's a
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monastic beautiful view
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yeah brewed by monks that's a beer
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that's it's a bottle conditioned with
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Brettanomyces which is one of those wild
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yeast we were talking about and what I
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love about it is that it's a beer that's
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completely alive so if you get it fresh
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it tastes one way and then that wild
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yeast and it actually continues to
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evolve over time so you can age that
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beer for like a bottle glass of wine
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intellectual a bottle of wine and it
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will actually change over time and
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become more funky and tropical
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and earthy and really really you know
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expressive so it's a great example of
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is that unusual Jesse I thought that
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most craft beers were had some ladies
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still floating around
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I most don't it depends on the beer some
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of the area's bottle conditioned the big
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example actually sierra sierra nevada
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pale is bottle conditioned in the
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traditional way and but I almost I don't
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think anything that we had today was
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bottle conditioned so all this would
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have been the carbonation we've been
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added before when the bottle as opposed
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to being created in the bottle like
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champagne most which one do you like the
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oh you know it's really difficult time
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I'm heavily into the logger the Coors
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Light he drank in the trunk of his car
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and I was gonna make some perfectly
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I'm a very every man and so for me I
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have to be very careful because I i was
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i was born out of the blast furnace
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which was iron sit up here we go here ya
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know and so I there-there's there are
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things that are indicative of me that
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are in my DNA that I cannot shake so you
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know I have to lie and I'm also i'm not
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a rich man I I can't afford all this but
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if you were originally if you were what
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would happen if i were a radio dial you
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in a bit of a perfect world I I would
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honestly i would love to share a bottle
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of the sour performed a barrel they are
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all connected is yeah jessiebear five
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let me share that with my wife i like
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that you didn't bother to turn the
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bottle to see what it says it just just
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know your role Steve just bad off for a
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second that is my role model i know it
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is to harass people that's right that's
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my butt them but maybe to actually the
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the coconut a highway Porter is my
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favorite of the night
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Wow of the night girly but i would share
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um i would share this hour with my wife
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and I think she would like it
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what's your favorite beer of all time an
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hour or right now whatever what's the
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woods with the beer that you think of it
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like oh I love that one
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right Wow Lauren what's your uh what's
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what was your favorite that we had to
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make my favorites were the sour and the
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cézanne yeah I far pick one comm don't
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want to okay all right then we're just
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gonna call it a tie
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sowards on what's your favorite beer ah
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yeah karl strauss red trolley oh yeah oh
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yeah and I coronado orange avenue with
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represent yeah yeah they're beers and we
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had a really nice weekend consumer
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walking around drinking a lot of beer
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and agreed from different places and I
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they those were fantastic at those are
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my favorite now that we can get them up
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in Northern California
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yeah that's that's a treat can I say my
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least favorite beer ever
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yes mom one time I had a Bud Light Lime
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10 we almost had had spit takes hear ya
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want our head that was sad but like yeah
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i did not finish it it was bad I i was
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offered it because there was nothing
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else available and I asked these
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20-somethings how is this and I said oh
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it's great haha and they were wrong and
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have you tried their lime morita or as i
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like to call it like Maria I think it's
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the same thing but it was before they
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rebranded it because now they have a
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hundred different things and and i pay
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attention because I want to make sure I
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don't have it again
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look all i have to say is at least it
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wasn't but lighting clamato okay okay
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man no no really is Mother's ok by
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no no I make you know it you don't live
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next to you don't like half a mile from
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Mexico you don't understand the joys of
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chulada I really don't i really don't
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so I dan give me your verdicts what was
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your favorite that we had tonight I i
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think it's gonna have to be the the
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coconut Porter just because Porter's
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that I do love him and I'm gonna stay on
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brand here although the logs was pretty
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good in retrospect I think I might give
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yeah so the the coconut Porter
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surprisingly good is because of its a
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not overwhelming coconut flavor and
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what's your favorite beer you know I'm
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and I trying to find one just one to
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pick is pretty tough but I'm gonna have
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to second marcos recommendation of the
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left hand milk stout that's good left
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hand milk stout that's a good one
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Marco what was your favorite of the five
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we tried so the one that I would be most
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likely to buy a a 64 4-pack of and
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keeping my fridge or bring somewhere for
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wide appeal is the allagash days on this
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is a happy surprise again I'd attention
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to begin had never had sex on before to
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my knowledge and this is great and it's
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a nice kind of all around her
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however if I had to pick only one of
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these to finish tonight it would be the
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maui coconut Porter I i don't think i
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want a whole lot of them I wouldn't buy
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like a six-pack of them because the
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coconut flavor is kind of you know like
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a one-off gimmick for me like I I don't
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want to hold ton of that all the time
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but it is really good for this one can
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get marco was your favorite beer
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let me preface this by a US very small
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closing statement okay I'll allow it
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people ask me all the time because I
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because I'm the kind of nerd her roast
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people ask me all the time why I don't
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bring my own beer
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hey Marco why don't you bring your own
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beer tonight because there's so much
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amazing beer out there that like the
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reason I Irishman coffees I can't get
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good coffee near my house at that I like
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there's a billion different kinds of
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beer out there and so many of them are
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so great i will never be able to try
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them all so the whole it's worth a shot
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yeah so anyway among the ones I've had
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so far which is only
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very miniscule part of the beer world it
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is a tough call between dogfish head 90
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minute IPA and Jimmy Graham reserve blue
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and while i can find no fault at all
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like it when you taste the dogfish head
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90 minute IPA like there's nothing
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there's nothing that I wish for more
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from this period is it is perfectly
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rounded in every way that I like
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however if I had to pick one beer they
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could have if i only have one beer is my
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life I'm a blue grama reserve went out
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of that is by far my number one beer
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it's so so good even though you can
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basically only have like one or two
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before your sleep for the night but it
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is so good it's a happy sleep
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David was your favorite tonight before i
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say that i just want to say i love all
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of our yeah we love you too you know
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what I'm not ready to commit right now
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did i will say i love the orange avenue
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wit but i love it partly because i was
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able to drive across the bridge from San
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Diego to the island with Steve singing
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the Simon Simon Simon same yep i was so
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happy that day of tonight's beers i
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would have to go with the Almanac and
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the cézanne I don't know if I could
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choose between them because they're
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different they're different thing else
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write essays on is a wandering eye deer
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the almanac is a drinking with food beer
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it turns out that everybody pick
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something and the cézanne when they
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pick a tie that's right i think they're
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telling what's your favorite what's your
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favorite beer David when i when i will
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say i have finished three of the beers
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tonight but i'm alright yeah tell them
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I'm on my way to finishing the
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California lager
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so you know pretty much the duet is the
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only 1i am not finishing i'm confident
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in saying that I of all time I would
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have to go with either raspberry lambic
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or the shim I blue although the red the
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white are also quite excellent notion
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then right under that hoegaarden i just
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i love hoegaarden Steve what what what's
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your favorite tonight I'm
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favorite tonight wow I you know i'd like
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to say the coconut Porter but i'm just
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about done with that one right now it's
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reached the point now where the coconut
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is kind of taken over
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exactly and so I'm going to eat it's
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strange because porters are definitely
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more my type of beer but I'm gonna go
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with a saison by itself no ties
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it's delicious i really like the sort of
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banana bread flavors and there's a
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little bit of pepper that sort of floats
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in there and I think it's very very good
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it reminds me a little of the witty more
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on that we enjoyed quite oh yes
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Oh while I resemble that remark mhm
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well you know anymore and we're good see
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what's your favorite all-time favorite
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beer objectively the best beer of all
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time is a stone arrogant bastard ale
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wow you know what did it's the closest
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I've come to the sort of a hoity-toity
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sort of thing that the wine snobs get
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all up to where they you know they run
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it across their palate mango wood
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changes character over time
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fair enough Arrogant Bastard really does
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i mean it's it's it has three or four
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different characters to it and it
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evolves as you drink it
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I don't you know generally drink a lot
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of it because it tends to get me into
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trouble but alright Brian Brian what was
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your favorite with a massive massive
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shout-out to the Hawaiian to the maui
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coconut Porter Porter is using my
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favorite genre of beer but uh as
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delicious as that was tonight I am going
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with the Almanac white label of the sour
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flavor really really surprised me in how
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honestly delicious it was completely out
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of left field but I feel like that
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sourness as i said before really
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enhances the flavors in a way the IPAs
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don't so I loved it and that's the one
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I'm definitely get a six-pack of and now
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in addition to my don't think they make
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the six-pack of and it's just by six lbs
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Jesse what jesse was keeping a good
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poker face their handprints his beard
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Brian what's your favorite beer favorite
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beer of all time again with regards to
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the left-hand nitro milk stout again
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Porter's favorite genre / that's the
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beer i have most of my refrigerator when
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I can get it hell or high water man
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and I tell ya every single other beer
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yeah and I have actually all of you to
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thank for that because i remember
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everybody talking about on twitter one
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day when a Budweiser advertisement said
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nobody likes that guy that brings a
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watermelon wheat beer to the party and
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everyone said what I love hell or high
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water melon so i have to be at a bar at
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the time where they had hell or high
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water melon I had it
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favorite beer of all time I gotta throw
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a props up for 21st amendment for for
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their design sense because the reason i
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picked up their beer yeah first place
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was because they have the fancy cans in
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the cans are really great for a variety
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of reasons but largely because you have
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that much more surface area to put your
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your label on and do interesting things
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with the design and and all of that and
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then you can throw in a cool little
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six-pack holder and do even different
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things with that and they their masters
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of it i mean i love the look of their
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their different beers
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yeah like there are there are direction
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stuff dude jessie was saying it he
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doesn't necessarily think the hell or
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high water melon is among the best it no
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it's not their best but it's good i like
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it it's a light beer it's easy to drink
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its you can drink a whole lot of them
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drinkability without it that is that is
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important that Iron City feel to it a
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moze i really like the cézanne coconut
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Porter wrist is fine and and it yet
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truth be told of all of them that's
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probably the one that i would i would go
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back and buy just because it's Porter
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and I like Porter's but I i really like
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the cézanne I think saison that's got
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that flavor that like I said I find an
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IPA is I think like there's a good
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flavor in there but then there's all
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this other stuff and a saison that's the
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flavor so that's what I like so I like
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that one a lot my all-time I'm going to
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give a shout-out honorable mention to
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the stone quadrata Kaylee which is a
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while yet a Star Trek reference and a
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quadruple style in the Belgian style
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like that one a lot
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I the omagon from Cooperstown New York
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quadruple is similar Maga is almost
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always because you just let it happen if
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we had to be an incomparable up so it
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had to be uncomfortable episode i got
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events in Star Trek it was a great idea
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because they you know they used to use
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some triticale grain and they it isn't
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quadruple style and the reason they did
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that is because they wanted to make a
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Star Trek reference i love that about
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them in reality my favorite beer used to
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be a sierra nevada Porter it doesn't
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taste quite as good as it used to
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so i've switched to the deschutes black
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butte porter which is widely available
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and is a very good Porter is very good
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as that is very good
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I also really love the anchor porter but
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i think the black butte porter is
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probably like that's my go-to standard
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if I want to have a beer the black butte
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porter is always gonna gonna treat me
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right so and you can call it black but
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border which is later when I buy it at
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the store often times i will get a
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sticker from the guy who's checking me
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out at the story it because it gives
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black but the essay i think i think i
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had the black butte porter for the first
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time at your house Jason and I have
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searched for it around here and have
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once or twice found it on tap at places
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that you like a lot of beers but it's
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it's hard to find story from Bangladesh
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she was on a distribution deal because
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they are all over the place and in the
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western US they are available it is the
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most commonly available porter at this
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point directly stories with you gotta
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love a brewery whose flagship beer is
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support is a porter right that never
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happens we went to bend we went to the
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brewery and just that it's that moment
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of like finally a brewery that gets me
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rock where have you been all right what
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have we learned nothing that we drink a
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lot of beer thing nothing we just drink
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some beer lots of things I think the
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main lesson to take away here is that we
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should drink more beer
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uh-huh secondary adjust Jesse how do we
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how do we do I think we did great i mean
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we drink we drink all the beer guys
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going my love as it may be to lure the
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IPA so 545 yeah i mean this is the
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nature of all beer podcast as we just
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steadily lose focus as we can't deeper
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into it i know this was awesome you guys
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were all great tasters you know taste is
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hugely subjective you know things
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literally taste different to different
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people and everyone has their own
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preferences and I felt like everyone
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came in and with an open mind and tried
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new beers and I feel like everyone found
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something they liked and everyone found
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something they never want to put in
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then so he's uncovered we covered the
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full-spectrum absolutely agree it was a
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lot of fun I'm glad we did this
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I will have to yeah we'll have to do
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this again what do you think is next
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yeah I think we're all meeting at marcos
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house to homebrew right well thanks to
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everybody out there who didn't have any
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I hope you have some beer and listen to
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that's what you should do we have lots
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of episodes where people don't listen to
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the podcast until they read the book or
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they watch the movie so maybe everybody
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out there went out and got these beers
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and drank them and now its listing in
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which case you feel as good as we do
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shows a lot better now huh yeah shows
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that doesn't like award-winning way
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anyway I would like to thank my guests
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for being here and drinking beer with me
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it was a it was delightful brian
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hamilton thank you thank you this is
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definitely the most fun I've had a
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podcast be very long time but I don't
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write you up like it should be this way
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Steve let's thanks for being here at
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Yankee basin and for you welcome but
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actually i buy and pretty much in my
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element right now I know really
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this is how you like that was great fun
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and hopefully we'll get a chance to do
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this again maybe with a different
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selection we just got back on some other
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person handed David Laura you drink all
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thanks for still being awake today that
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Marco Arment thank you for being on the
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uncomfortable and drinking some beer
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with us a five years in still not witty
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witty enough that a beer pon we all
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see look what you got it sorry it was a
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punt Dan Morgan thank you know it's
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gonna go with no you're drunk but it's
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true you guys are and for the people
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around the table here my wife Florence
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no thank you so much
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you got to drink the beer and you don't
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have to say too much so congratulations
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we'll play it that way to meet their
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quota and now you have to be on a
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podcast until 2017 she's not even gonna
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say goodbye she's just like Erica thank
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thank you almost black oh no we're not
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thank you so much Jason's house like was
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that Iron City i heard it was a beer
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that you don't have so there are stairs
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that you do not know there are many
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other beers you may not have yet
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that's right didn't I made the same
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reference but you cannot yet drink and
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finally last but not least at all in
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fact most jesse friedman from Almanac
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beer company in San Francisco
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oh yeah so much for putting this
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together you that I just want to say i
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love you Jessie I mean bear mind he's
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he's five beers in ok so just keep that
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in mind admittedly he said that to all
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of us earlier and in the interim he said
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that to the coffee table and love you
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podcasts just you've gotten you've
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gotten people drunk all over the country
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thank you so I don't know why you don't
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always do I know everything I can should
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be like this right
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I said that beers isn't steve always
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pretty much all right well i hope that
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for those of you who didn't drink along
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with us in this episode you lose it you
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at the very least I had some sort of a
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contact high from listening to us
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talking about all this beer and with
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that we say goodbye to you
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we're gonna drink some more beer but
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this is the end of the episode you don't
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have to go home but you can't stay on
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this podcast because it's over now being
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comfortable tonight we will see you
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ya next time normal
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