The Talk Show

163: ‘Low Grade Scam’, With Special Guest Joanna Stern


  my favorite story of the last few weeks was from your colleagues at the wall [TS]

  street journal Shalini Ramachandran and know that i think i got it at Daisuke [TS]

  Wakabayashi to happen or did I don't know I don't know how to pronounce that [TS]

  I just call him die [TS]

  the high that's somebody help me that nickname here yeah i mean that's [TS]

  something that they had a story that ran yesterday I'm sure you saw it that I [TS]

  love apples quote hard-charging negotiations with the TV networks [TS]

  scrambled any sort of attempt that Apple had to get like what Apple more or less [TS]

  wanted was to charge people 30 bucks a month i guess they would just you know [TS]

  just like to have apple me music that have apple TV you paying thirty dollars [TS]

  a month and you get a package of a bunch of channels and you can watch them [TS]

  whenever you want and it's a couple bags of this story that really amusing diet i [TS]

  quoted both of them on daring fireball that the one was that they Apple [TS]

  wouldn't show the team they the CEO of comcast the user interface and then he [TS]

  said how about you should catch it on the back of a napkin and apple officials [TS]

  replied that the software would be quote better than anything you've ever had [TS]

  which a wouldn't take much and be sounds a little worries me to look I it's [TS]

  typical apple but it sounds like Donald Trump the back of an attitude know the [TS]

  it's going to be it's going to be better than anything you've ever happen to me [TS]

  that yeah believe me it's going to be have to preface that was believe me [TS]

  believe me [TS]

  and then the other tidbits that was great was that we met with mr. brit the [TS]

  cee the time warner CEO or total time or CEO Jeff Bewkes and and some other guy [TS]

  named Brett I don't know he is but a big big meeting with time warner Eddy Cue [TS]

  shows up quote 10 minutes late and was wearing jeans tennis shoes with no socks [TS]

  and a Hawaiian shirt says a person familiar with the bill with the yeah [TS]

  what I love about the stories like this is like obviously there's so much [TS]

  reporting that goes into a piece like this and it has to be you know [TS]

  everything has to be written straight face when everything is like every line [TS]

  is coming over in a piece like this but it's like you want to laugh and you can [TS]

  only imagine like [TS]

  what they were laughed like what what's that like sentiment was when they were [TS]

  writing something something like this but it's like that whole sentence and [TS]

  then somebody familiar with the matter [TS]

  it's like who was the tips who is the source or the tip on that you know I and [TS]

  I've always I've long said that ever since I wanted to be a writer I've [TS]

  always wanted to be a columnist that's baller all that I've ever aspired to be [TS]

  I feel like you're probably in the same boat and it i have I don't want to write [TS]

  straight news like that never did but I have so much respect for the people who [TS]

  do for exactly what you just said is right right how do the other the other [TS]

  executives were wearing suits yes . yes I forgot to add that which is essential [TS]

  to the story [TS]

  yeah i know i mean and funny that guy is a really funny guy and he's a great [TS]

  reporter but yeah it's a it's a we also do these front page stories called a [TS]

  heads yes I'm and many of those also like the reporting is just like straight [TS]

  face but like it's the funniest thing you know die story but he did one on the [TS]

  Apple watch in the nose the nose interaction forget what it was that you [TS]

  that people use their nose to navigate their their Apple watch the whole story [TS]

  is like not it's it's written in just like a a great tone that's just like [TS]

  what are you know this ridiculous thing that's happening there is a lot to [TS]

  unpack here though it's it's like you know like it's sort of like there's like [TS]

  a nightmare you have where you show up for a thing and you're terribly under [TS]

  dressed or you didn't put pants on [TS]

  you know that that's that's a trope you know everybody has that sort of [TS]

  recurring dream Eddy Cue showing up for this meeting with jeans and a wine [TS]

  certain tennis shoes with no socks Eddy Cue is not embarrassed at all right [TS]

  right that's the thing i mean like many readers probably don't know that you [TS]

  know people Apple followers are people have watch interviews with him or have [TS]

  gotten to meet with him like both of us you [TS]

  we know that he didn't he really didn't give a shit like he just got there it [TS]

  was like alright and part of it is Apple's own culture part of it is [TS]

  California culture because i think that when Apple deals outside it's not just [TS]

  the valley [TS]

  but when Apple deals with Hollywood which is Valley versus Southern [TS]

  California the you know showing up for a meeting with jeans and sneakers is not a [TS]

  big deal right [TS]

  whereas New York media world is still very you know you wear a suit to a [TS]

  meeting with the CEO of comcast ur time warner yeah i mean not me right where [TS]

  sandals but it like i'm sure it also brings to mind i remember and and I must [TS]

  have been like 12 years old don't know why was he not wearing socks that that [TS]

  is good that is a good question gross [TS]

  yeah well I mean like I hate wearing shoes without socks and sometimes I have [TS]

  to do it because I forget my socks someplace and like have to get my shoes [TS]

  huh [TS]

  I don't know really when I have to do it i just think it's great that is my only [TS]

  objection as well right I mean well and he was photographing Eddie was [TS]

  photographed at the courtside at the basketball game at the Golden State game [TS]

  and he was on the front page he was wearing sandals sandals are good [TS]

  yeah you know what I don't like sandals my thing about him wearing sandals to [TS]

  that basketball game though is that a lot of time so to get spilled and and [TS]

  you know i mean like if you like but maybe because when you're courtside day [TS]

  there's like maybe like I'm do you know the rule because so dad said so maybe [TS]

  it's okay i don't know i thinkyeah in particular pretty sure next time I meet [TS]

  with him I'll be asking about his feet and how he feels about the sweat that [TS]

  happens when you wear sneakers without socks it's just there's sweat you know [TS]

  your feet sweat maybe he doesn't show you turn to smell maybe everyone dad's [TS]

  it happens i wear toms I have these toms shoes i don't know if they I think they [TS]

  make male Tom's but Tom's are the same thing you're not supposed to wear them [TS]

  with socks but even that in there your feet sway my happy we had this [TS]

  conversation about this feet my feet are are extremely I i think half of my sweat [TS]

  glands are in my field I have very very sweaty feet right sometimes before i go [TS]

  to bed my feeders this way put my feet in the shower [TS]

  I've always a recurring theme it's a recurring theme on the show that in the [TS]

  winter i am i working on my feet get cold [TS]

  I like to wear slippers i have i have a hard time finding slippers that i like [TS]

  is i don't like open-back slippers they did just go flying off your feet [TS]

  I like to have the back and so a couple years ago Amy got me for Christmas she [TS]

  got me a pair of uggs slippers and yeah and a real there's like all this i don't [TS]

  know what it is like wall or fake wall but all this like fuzzy stuff on the [TS]

  inside and you're supposed to wear them with no socks and within 20 24 hours a [TS]

  dead animal within 24 hours it was all coming out it this day I'd completely [TS]

  sweated through and destroyed them in about about a day and a half like my [TS]

  feet are not meant for something like that but those are they're really [TS]

  comfortable [TS]

  that's what she said she'd and that's why she got them for me and I had to [TS]

  write me though for like the few hours before my sweat started destroying them [TS]

  i agreed but anyway the whole just the stories but Apple you know that yet on [TS]

  the earnings call at Tim Cook said how you know excited he is that products [TS]

  that are out of the box for them that they're working on maybe maybe sandals [TS]

  but maybe maybe so yeah but where the whole point of this story though it [TS]

  would be fun you know like there's that huge cult following around sneakers [TS]

  right sort of feels like the same kind of people that follow apple in a way [TS]

  yeah I could see me now they'd line up for shoes they line up for phones and [TS]

  it's just that just a thought here but lets you would like to move on from the [TS]

  speaker's I feel well I'm little but I've know you know it but people who [TS]

  keep and they keep their sneakers like in pristine condition [TS]

  yeah maybe even yeah i saw a sneaker heads right yeah i saw last night I [TS]

  wanted to seth meyers a late night because I was like live after the [TS]

  Democratic convention and Colin Jost and Michael Michael che from Saturday Night [TS]

  Live Ron to talk about because they were there and Jay had on a pair of vintage [TS]

  Michael Jordan carolina blue air jordans that were I was like well those are [TS]

  those are totally you know probably like super expensive and of course they're [TS]

  mint condition [TS]

  ya see I'm not as I like don't I don't I got it sounds like very impressive but [TS]

  i'm not a sneaker not a single person [TS]

  yeah I'm i know enough about basketball shoes just because I follow basketball [TS]

  but otherwise no anyway just to this is the story is not about Eddy Cue start [TS]

  orioles choices [TS]

  it was about Apple's hard-charging negotiations and that their their stance [TS]

  on this has blocked them from putting together the packets being able to offer [TS]

  the package they want to offer and I think it's so transparent that the the [TS]

  cable companies are talking to the press and you know ya into the wall street [TS]

  journal to try to press the matter and they're making it sound like Apple is [TS]

  being a I don't know what the word is arrogant are arrogant maybe yeah yeah [TS]

  whereas I think the contest yeah and i think the truth is Apple Apple is the [TS]

  one that can afford to wait they can wait forever [TS]

  they can never offer a TV package and it will be okay right [TS]

  well it seems like also there's there's things that Apple's asking for like they [TS]

  won't be upping the rates of the of this shows i guess that's a typical thing [TS]

  that happens [TS]

  yeah yeah they're certainly hard lining to to get this in their favor [TS]

  yeah because it's apple . it's totally different worlds like the cable world is [TS]

  a world where it's like maybe when you sign up for cable there's like it a [TS]

  promotion where it's like hey for $89 exactly eighty-nine dollars a month you [TS]

  get this internet and then this TV package but then once that promotions [TS]

  over the eat your cable bill just starts going from my Katie 92 93 to the a96 72 [TS]

  201 dollars and thirty-two you know like you get these weird bills that are like [TS]

  that Apple's world is if they say yes 2999 it's 2099 and it's not that it's [TS]

  not going to go to silently change 231 dollars in 23 minutes just so the ESPN [TS]

  can get five percent more right actually in Apple's well that's usually no 99 [TS]

  it's just 29 yeah exactly you're right actually out of here was he right [TS]

  I mean yeah I yet i just i just actually went through this with my cable company [TS]

  i'm desperately trying to get my bill down i returned my router i returned the [TS]

  other box you know or the modem and another another box that we had that we [TS]

  just don't use enough and you go in the store and they sort of like well if you [TS]

  sign up for the special deal we can actually knock you know twenty dollars [TS]

  off your bill a month for the next six months and it's like okay so I'm gonna [TS]

  go through all of that but then in six months you're gonna raise it again [TS]

  probably more to then what I'm paying now [TS]

  you know they they do all of these behind-the-scenes frankly their scams [TS]

  really yeah it's yeah it's a low-grade scam but it definitely escape to it's a [TS]

  bait and switch it right i mean mostly just like when i read that article was [TS]

  like oh apple hates the cable companies as much as we do like yeah yeah they [TS]

  want to work with them obviously but and did they specifically mentioned that [TS]

  they don't want like somebody all you know the name but said that you know [TS]

  we're not we're not like them those music guys who Apple you know took [TS]

  advantage of I just think that they're just not quite where the music guys were [TS]

  like when and and it is very different because when the Apple started with [TS]

  itunes way back last decade it was Mac only and the mac was very small and it [TS]

  was no snow we were years away from the iphone and any sort of large market [TS]

  share and there was you know seems seemingly overlooked in their [TS]

  negotiations was even the possibility that Apple might offer itunes for [TS]

  windows right but also what you know what we were but we didn't have was it [TS]

  was like a pre app world right [TS]

  we listen to music through one service and that was a local service most of the [TS]

  time and so now we live in a world where we are at you and this is kind of a [TS]

  Pinot obviously apples created it but even on the TV they've they've really [TS]

  pushed it that the futures apps right and so for many of these companies they [TS]

  already have a solution that works for them right [TS]

  CBS or NBC or I don't know FX they make you sign in with your cable information [TS]

  and they've still got this presence there now that makes it really hard for [TS]

  cable cutters of course but they have a presence on these digital platforms [TS]

  there seems like less incentive in you know that when we were in this pre app [TS]

  world for them to want to join it [TS]

  yeah and i think that you know and the trend is obvious that it may take awhile [TS]

  you know it's it's just that it applies to so many things that great Hemingway [TS]

  quota about a character like how did you go bankrupt and it's you know slowly [TS]

  then quickly [TS]

  mhm and that's how all of these things take all these disruptions is slowly [TS]

  then quickly and it's right now we're at [TS]

  . we're slowly more and more people are not paying for cable TV in their house [TS]

  i mean i-i know that one of them listeners of the show are way off the [TS]

  charts in that direction you know absolutely be able to read your column [TS]

  are surely way off the charges internet and that and they know anytime I need to [TS]

  get behind it i just there's some things can't live without and that's how we are [TS]

  I mean that for me it's a couple of sporting sports things and framing it's [TS]

  a couple of shows that she likes that don't have you know that they're they're [TS]

  not right there's no way to get them otherwise [TS]

  right but we're closed and Joan I'll tell you Jonas RDR is 12 years old he [TS]

  doesn't watch anything on TV except stuff that we make him watch like get [TS]

  down here and watch Hillary Clinton give this you know he doesn't want anything [TS]

  on TV if I watching YouTube up YouTube and and poker and now and that place at [TS]

  netflix netflix netflix right if we if we have netflix is just having this is [TS]

  the summer of netflix in my opinion I mean yes also them raising rates and [TS]

  issues with their don't know financial situations but it's just the stuff [TS]

  they're putting out right now is is great if our netflix like if our credit [TS]

  card that we have on file with them you know needed to be renewed because the [TS]

  expiration date was up Jonas would know within an hour i would get his his seven [TS]

  or whenever you pay 99 + dollars in cash and it's a deal with this dad [TS]

  netflix and youtube it's you know and ended they you know it's a reckoning [TS]

  that is coming for them where it doesn't eventually they get the gravy train of [TS]

  everybody pays for cable and everybody you know frankly pays too much for cable [TS]

  is going to come to an end [TS]

  right right well we're gonna stay put some of this play added and get with the [TS]

  olympics in a couple weeks I mean they are you know II NBC subscribers you need [TS]

  this your cable information to log into a number of different apps that's that's [TS]

  the way they still want to play no I'm really i hope i did I have not been [TS]

  following along like trying all these betas over the summer but i'm really [TS]

  looking forward to hopefully everybody getting on board with the apple TV with [TS]

  that thing that they announced the WTC where you can see ya [TS]

  that's a huge shining cable thing once and then we will vouch for all of these [TS]

  apps that you are a cable subscriber and now there's like times where I like it [TS]

  happened with the FX app like I was like put it offices and I really want to [TS]

  watch something in here and I just don't remember my cable login [TS]

  I'm you know you like you set up the the rest of the other apps on there and then [TS]

  like you know it's been I don't really probably spent 30 minutes trying to [TS]

  recover that information and then punching it in there was one a couple of [TS]

  weeks ago I think it was HBO but i might be wrong but one of them i was on the [TS]

  appletv and and it it forgot I've already done it and it like made me do [TS]

  it again and it wouldn't work on my phone for some reason and so I had to [TS]

  actually go upstate which is I mean that's cruel going up a flight of stairs [TS]

  at eleven o'clock at night [TS]

  true an unusual in your slippers yes in my slippers in your sweaty slippers [TS]

  right in my sweaty slippers to do it at the desktop which seems ridiculous [TS]

  alright so anyway I think something's going on there but well yeah it is [TS]

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  I want to talk to you because I love your opinions on laptops and tablets [TS]

  what do you think is going on with apples lineup of Max that had not [TS]

  something i have not been updated in claim imac I mean like I'm eager [TS]

  obviously i love gadgets and I love reviewing things and I love you know [TS]

  helping people get better stuff but I really care about myself right now and i [TS]

  have a macbook air that as you know I know clung to for many years and i love [TS]

  the macbook air but it's time it is really time for me to get another [TS]

  computer and this thing is really on its last legs and I need something now like [TS]

  I need something in september-october so the timing really works for me Apple to [TS]

  release this new rumored macbook pro and please please just do it [TS]

  I feel like I also don't be bad like I needed to be good i feel like there [TS]

  should be like crew of volunteers who stands outside apple stores right now [TS]

  and when people go in they say what you want to buy and if they say they want to [TS]

  buy like a macbook air macbook pro they said oh no don't do it [TS]

  I mean I'm happy to take that on i just did that in a very public way for the [TS]

  iphone [TS]

  yeah i saw that it's you know doing how behind i phone right now if I mean it's [TS]

  just a and for us like and listeners of this podcast in many readers you know it [TS]

  is obvious but it really is not obvious to many many people who ask me every [TS]

  year when should i buy an iphone should i buy the next iphone should i buy an [TS]

  iphone right now I mean it's that still the most common question I get being in [TS]

  this industry and many people you know will head out to the store in august and [TS]

  go buy a new a new phone and I just don't think you and I especially don't [TS]

  think that the the rumors that this next phone will be a big update is even [TS]

  reason just to say okay fine i can go buy an iphone right now it just isn't [TS]

  but yeah i don't really i mean there's there's very few apple products i would [TS]

  let anyone go by right now I mean the only one I would recommend would be the [TS]

  the one port macbook you know which way ya right it didn't refresh couple months [TS]

  ago which right in line but other than that and then even then I think there's [TS]

  a decision for many people to make like I'm in this situation where i actually [TS]

  think that macbook it could do it could be my computer i wrote this in the in [TS]

  the HP and mac book review i did a couple weeks ago [TS]

  it could be but I think they're there could be something else that's actually [TS]

  going to meet my needs a little bit better and that's you know a little bit [TS]

  more power and more some more reports I can make i could probably make do with [TS]

  the port situation now I got one of these hyperdrive attachments to the [TS]

  macbook and i love it [TS]

  ok what's that it's a you know it's plugs into the USBC port and it's got a [TS]

  SD card reader it's got a two USB ports got also going to displayport but it [TS]

  doesn't really work [TS]

  oh i think i saw that in a think I think dieter bohn was using that at the Keen [TS]

  up really early or maybe a competing one what's called the hyperdrive [TS]

  it's called hyperdrive think it's let's see [TS]

  and a lot of people actually emailed me about it after I'm it's a pain i used a [TS]

  macbook air 11-inch which I loved [TS]

  I really did love the size for years years and years it was one of my [TS]

  favorite macbooks I've ever had but I remember the one time I was at WWDC and [TS]

  I wanted to download all the iOS betas and stuff that they had released and the [TS]

  Wi-Fi there was no way you could possibly do it was like you know this [TS]

  will take 17 days over one right and so they had all these ethernet things and [TS]

  you could download and was like super fast ethernet you could download in like [TS]

  five seconds and of course i forgot to pack my ethernet uncle yeah eventually I [TS]

  found a friend it's you know it's lucky that I have no lots of people there and [TS]

  I reckon you know found somebody who I knew and I was like hey can I borrow [TS]

  that and did but i just saw somebody a friend not a friend but somebody [TS]

  following twitter was at the democratic national convention here in philly and [TS]

  was like I need an unheated service like uber that will but will deliver a USB [TS]

  ethernet adapters to that to the convention commission right so it has [TS]

  anymore [TS]

  yeah I mean yeah this thing's called the hyperdrive USB type-c [TS]

  5in1 hub anyone's interested but I'm i will put it in the show [TS]

  yeah i mean i don't know i like I think that this next macbook pro is probably [TS]

  the answer for me and but i don't know i don't know where it is [TS]

  I mean it's there it's gotta be coming I mean it's been so long it's got to be [TS]

  coming and it's to me what's odd is that it didn't come before back to school but [TS]

  it wouldn't really work with with apples timing on the max yeah i mean it's it's [TS]

  a tough situation to tell students with to buy right now I'm because you know [TS]

  this is a computer that should last them for the next four years and I don't [TS]

  think the macbook airs is good enough you know its insurance it's definitely [TS]

  the lower end option but you know some that are not expected to be a better [TS]

  product i've said a few times that my really biggest regret with my interview [TS]

  with Phil Schiller and and Craig federighi at WTC was that I didn't bring [TS]

  this up i really wanted to I almost did and then I lost it just got lost in the [TS]

  flow of the conversation and it didn't seem right to go back to it and i really [TS]

  regret it because i think it's an important topic i really would have been [TS]

  interested to hear shoulders take on any other thing about it is at the time of [TS]

  the interview so there's like second week in june $YEAR the day after WWDC [TS]

  add when I was sort of kind of hoping that they have a surprise announcement [TS]

  with the new macbook pro that it was only like a one day old wound in my [TS]

  psyche that they didn't have a new macbook pro I didn't really say I didn't [TS]

  feel at that moment just how weird it was going to feel this summer that the [TS]

  whole summer is going to go buy it was like it just felt like at that moment in [TS]

  June the macbook pro is a little old ready for an upgrade and the addition of [TS]

  this summer and in particular with especially with I think with with [TS]

  notebooks the thing about summer is like you said back to school and we write a [TS]

  big time to buy notebooks just how weird that would it if it feels so much older [TS]

  now i get i know it's only like six weeks after WTC right now as we speak [TS]

  but it feels like it's it it crossed the border from being a little old to being [TS]

  like ridiculously old [TS]

  yeah oh yeah i mean and when you look at what what Apple's don't like on the rest [TS]

  with the rest of the line it's not there yet [TS]

  you know it's there's there's stuff that needs to be flushed out so i don't i [TS]

  don't know i mean i look I i want to think it's gonna be enduring the sep [TS]

  tember event but I think there's a lot to cover in the sep tember event I don't [TS]

  know I'm but when do it when we when do we expect them [TS]

  I i think the September event but only because are mainly because it's just [TS]

  that has to one else would it be [TS]

  they're not gonna have two events and you know I and theory they could have [TS]

  like a like a boring update to the macbook pro that just adds you know an [TS]

  updated cpu and GPU or something like that but if they do that it then it just [TS]

  seems ridiculous that they did it took them so long I don't think that's [TS]

  happened I think there's something else I do to identify mean also it's there [TS]

  with Sierra right like there's some hands in Sierra about things that should [TS]

  be improved in the hardware [TS]

  yeah I'm so I maybe then that's that you know the timing i don't know NCR went to [TS]

  did the fall right they just a fall [TS]

  yeah maybe i don't know i don't have any sources or any insight to the mac line [TS]

  right now [TS]

  yeah the last two years i think the schedule is roughly been a early [TS]

  September event with the iphone new iphone coming out like the next week and [TS]

  the new iOS coming out at the same time or like a day or two before right the [TS]

  phones and then the new version of mac OS comes out like and they'll tell you [TS]

  in September but it would that it will be out at the end of october or [TS]

  something like that [TS]

  alright so maybe there's something in October yeah but the question is do they [TS]

  do iPads at this first event you know the iphone event and there's been some [TS]

  rumors of new pro a new pro I mean I don't understand how that's really going [TS]

  to be updated in a big way but I think there's been some weeks of that [TS]

  well one thing I've when I but I've speculated about this on Twitter and [TS]

  other places people have said no there's no way they're going to do they don't [TS]

  want to [TS]

  share the stage with the iphone but the truth is the last few years they've [TS]

  actually always shared the stage with the iphone they use the fact that the [TS]

  world's attention is on the move this announcement everybody's iphone iphone [TS]

  iphone iphone to iphone and they use it but spend most of the event on other [TS]

  things like two years ago it was here was like everything [TS]

  yeah last year was apple TV and the data pero right in the ANCYL and all that all [TS]

  the third party apps that already you know that they've given pre-release [TS]

  access to the pencil for round two had 23 you know at the end of the event date [TS]

  the three big demo rooms which was like honestly like the iphone was the [TS]

  smallest part of the thing to see ya [TS]

  I'm i remember being like oh crap crap I gotta go see the iphone and android yeah [TS]

  there was that whole big room for the apple TV the whole big room for the Pro [TS]

  and then yeah iphone and I always take notes on the time like it you know how [TS]

  much you know when when new products come out onstage and i remember that i [TS]

  don't think the iphone took more than 20 or 25 minutes it was you know it was [TS]

  like hey hello [TS]

  here's Phil Schiller and 20 minutes of here's the new iphone 6s and 6s plus and [TS]

  then the rest of the show was apple TV & and ipad pro yeah i think that i think [TS]

  if you look at the heart I think if I think there's there's a hardware to come [TS]

  in three places in the fall and think it's iphone it's mac and i think it's [TS]

  watch and I think ipad the reason i say that is because of the software like [TS]

  what we saw at wec they were clear hints about hardware improvements that would [TS]

  be that would optimize for the software or vice versa [TS]

  I'm I don't feel that way about ipad but you know I don't know and you know like [TS]

  with ipad there's so many software things that I feel like need to be fixed [TS]

  and I'm or with you as it moves to the Pro and I feel like we think of a sense [TS]

  of that and I was 10 and yeah and and there's been rumors Federigo 40 choose [TS]

  you know the grand by far away go-to guy the guy max stories the go-to guy for [TS]

  ipad productivity and this guy's been like living his life with all these [TS]

  crazy workflows and stuff like that on the ipad [TS]

  it is all of his work on ipad what he heard was that it's I don't know what [TS]

  they're gonna number it but that it's more or less that the major improvements [TS]

  to iOS with a focus on ipad pro and and Pro users is sort of like an iOS 10.1 [TS]

  type thing that might be like january-february that's great that's a [TS]

  great rapport a rumor that mean that that would make more sense i don't know [TS]

  how much those wishful thinking like yesterday we all want the hemorrhaging [TS]

  right [TS]

  like it's so true i like a who's podcast was ipod and was like I feel like many [TS]

  times apple rumors are just what people want like the android for I message for [TS]

  android rumor like and add we should talk about that because that you know I [TS]

  think both of us sort of four hoping for something like that at WABC but you know [TS]

  and it was pretty unreliable sources that you know but it's like everyone [TS]

  wanted it so everyone said yeah this is a rumor that you know the people wrote [TS]

  it and I mean I'm not saying it's it's unreliable maybe somebody really did [TS]

  have good sourcing on that but that felt like one which was like oh yes that's [TS]

  what I want it was Mac Daily News which is a weird website that has been around [TS]

  for ever [TS]

  today I'm almost certain it predates daring fireball I think it's been around [TS]

  since like the late nineties and it's a uh I don't know if he's secret and I [TS]

  don't even know if it's really he I don't know I'd like but it did however [TS]

  it is who writes it doesn't never put a byline on it so like when I link to that [TS]

  rumor and he doesn't usually have news it's usually more like he points to [TS]

  things elsewhere [TS]

  yeah right he'll usually linked to my staff I didn't realize that's where it [TS]

  started [TS]

  yeah he he said you know it was his original thing that he heard from a [TS]

  reliable source that Apple's working on a I message for android and that it's [TS]

  going to come out at WWDC and so when I liked what I was like because I always [TS]

  like to put the name of whoever wrote it like the reporter you know I I don't [TS]

  like to just say the Wall Street Journal says I like to say you know here's the [TS]

  reporter writing for The Wall Street Journal right because I think that's [TS]

  important and so for his i wrote whoever the hell it is you're right [TS]

  back accidentally news right I have heard i can say i haven't seen it [TS]

  personally but I have spoken to people at Apple who have seen the mock-ups of I [TS]

  message for android so I don't know that it exists like that they have like an [TS]

  app that's been made but there is absolutely been conservation of it yeah [TS]

  but the guy then I think it makes sense and and cook has said and I forget [TS]

  there's two interviews where he said we we are making it a priority to bring [TS]

  service our services to other platforms and i think it was around the music [TS]

  launch or something around then and what I heard and this makes total sense and [TS]

  sounds very happily was that it was a series of ten mock-ups of what I messed [TS]

  complete mock-ups of what I message for android would look like ranging from [TS]

  like 11 would be it just looks exactly like the iOS version and 10 is looks as [TS]

  much like pure what what's the google you i am called material this material [TS]

  design uh as as pure material design as possible with like 2 through 9 being a [TS]

  continuum of how much it looks like that which is also to me an interesting thing [TS]

  in terms of the difference between Google and Apple where Google stuff on [TS]

  iOS is very popular and but yet really looks a lot like right material design [TS]

  and Apple music on Android i think is actually pretty you know on that scale [TS]

  of one to ten I think it's sort of like a seven or an eight it's it's much more [TS]

  android like then iOS like to my eyes [TS]

  yeah I i actually can't say I've ever used it so well i've i've installed it [TS]

  on my little I've seen the screenshots then fold it and poked around just to [TS]

  see like what the sharing she looks like and stuff like that but anyway I and [TS]

  here's my argument for my argument for putting some credibility on it is like [TS]

  someone that rumor leaked a lot of people wrote to me and said no way would [TS]

  Apple do this because they sell hardware they you know it behooves them to keep I [TS]

  message proprietary but my answer to them is nobody buys an iphone to get my [TS]

  message [TS]

  it's it's a nice thing to have once you have an iphone and you're in the apple [TS]

  ecosystem but nobody buys it [TS]

  that's not a selling point it's just a nice thing you get afterwards I i think [TS]

  where Apple could make some money on this is if they if they add payments [TS]

  time message [TS]

  yeah if I can send you money by Apple pay over I message then I think it makes [TS]

  all the sense in the world for there to be an android version right I i do [TS]

  question nobody buys at an iphone because of my message i think it is one [TS]

  of the lock-in apps that sort of like I wouldn't consider going to an android [TS]

  phone [TS]

  mostly because of my message like there's a fit i have a family [TS]

  conversation I have a friend conversation all of you know these [TS]

  groups in my life and their own I message that's a penguin and i don't [TS]

  think i can get them all to pick up and go to whatsapp or facebook messenger but [TS]

  I don't look I don't think I i don't know i don't know enough about the [TS]

  market of how big that market is for people who feel like I messages the [TS]

  reason I'm you know there's there's plenty of other great things that an [TS]

  iphone that probably wasn't a good point i actually i'm gonna i'm gonna say that [TS]

  you changed my mind [TS]

  change your mind yet you yeah because that you know what I was I was too [TS]

  focused on the upfront idea of buying an iphone whereas once you have an iphone [TS]

  and you're used to I message it absolutely is a reason that you'd be a [TS]

  little reluctant to switch right so it is it's the lock-in angle that it more [TS]

  than the $MONEY up front angle like once you have it you don't want to lose it I [TS]

  I I just couldn't I like even when i'm reviewing an android phone and I tried [TS]

  you know I put my sim in but I'll still keep my iphone on Wi-Fi or whatever [TS]

  because I gotta I gotta get my messages and I hear you talk about my singing [TS]

  with my Mac but you know I'm i think that like many times I think Apple that [TS]

  it's not like apple doesn't enjoy locking features but i don't think that [TS]

  they prioritize them over other things and I don't think that I think whatever [TS]

  lock-in advantages they see with iMessage being ios-only for mobile could [TS]

  easily be overruled by the [TS]

  the money they could make by having a Apple pay as a device to device payment [TS]

  method [TS]

  mhm I can't know but there is a trade-off there there's stuff that [TS]

  trade-off i think i'm going to right now just like I wish that I mean and maybe [TS]

  it will be with the new I message and I was ten like venmo will be easier Lee [TS]

  and integrated into the what are they called message apps [TS]

  mhm I'm but I don't see why apple juice just do it itself [TS]

  mm you know what I mean like why doesn't it just power through Apple pay [TS]

  I you know say i want to spend $15 22 Gruber and I you know in inside and I [TS]

  message window i hit my hit touch ID and it goes through [TS]

  yeah I think it definitely should write this just happened i don't know i'm i'm [TS]

  writing my column for next week is all about the chip card disaster and so i'm [TS]

  i'm very very into payments right now I'd love payments i love I've Apple [TS]

  paying everywhere [TS]

  yeah this is great I i was just talking about this last week on my show with jon [TS]

  fleischman that it somehow i don't know if it if if it just is coincidence but a [TS]

  whole bunch of places here in Philadelphia have just upgraded their [TS]

  their terminals and put in the chip readers yeah and they all have [TS]

  handwritten stickers yeah yeah ChIP chip networking chip doesn't work yet [TS]

  no get up yet don't chip here yeah I'm like I've spent a lot of time reporting [TS]

  the story and i'm excited about it because it's been such a disaster in New [TS]

  York to its been a national disaster [TS]

  it's it's a headache it sista but I'm i actually think I'm not gonna split my [TS]

  column here yeah maybe you could give me basically i think that this will push us [TS]

  all to use our phones [TS]

  it's actually the best thing that could have ever happened to Apple pay and to [TS]

  android pay because all of the terminals that are being installed have NFC and [TS]

  them and so it's basically a software upgrade on the point-of-sale people [TS]

  companies have spoken to to enable that for that for the retailer's yeah and the [TS]

  thing that's interesting to me is that you don't need to see the Apple pay logo [TS]

  for Apple pay to work it's just like the one that just looks like a little almost [TS]

  looks like a Wi-Fi symbol and it right it always it always works there were the [TS]

  ones that work yeah there was one time last week where it didn't work for me at [TS]

  starbucks and gave me at like I don't really got into some kind of circle but [TS]

  then the next day I went back and and it worked again [TS]

  yeah with no Apple pay logo on the starbucks one great yeah it's weird [TS]

  because starbucks does support apple pain they never have signs that say we [TS]

  have this there and that's one of the things I'm writing in this pieces that [TS]

  you set up your phone for Apple pay and just try it first [TS]

  I mean you know you're already gonna lose a lot of time out yet with the chip [TS]

  I get it but you know ability it's kind of like the same amount of time to just [TS]

  try it doesn't work you have your credit card i it and it's so funny because [TS]

  Apple pay what was it two years ago when it first came out [TS]

  yeah and its second and whole foods had it and I'd use it there and I'd get the [TS]

  what was that you know I Kelly act that you know what are you doing there and [TS]

  now all of a sudden that it's working and all these other places i'm getting [TS]

  it all over again like people who have never seen a potentially what did you [TS]

  just do it I'm like it's called apple p you'd like just take a picture your [TS]

  credit card you know go to the wallet app take a picture credit card and then [TS]

  you can just go up two places and and just put your finger on the thing and [TS]

  they're like that is the coolest thing I've ever seen [TS]

  yeah i think a lot of people don't even know that it's there and and especially [TS]

  also now that it you know it's it's gonna probably work more and more and [TS]

  more phones it's it's I think it's a the chip thing has been a disaster but I [TS]

  think there's a silver lining in it I noticed it was a very interesting to me [TS]

  as a user experience critic i bought some shorts at j.crew and they had the [TS]

  chip thing and your shorts did know how that the terminal [TS]

  uh-huh and I put my I put my credit card in for the chip and then went through [TS]

  the chip process and when it was done it was like authorizing you wait a second [TS]

  and then when it was done it made this terrible noise like and and and now and [TS]

  and on the little terminal it says remove card now remove right now right [TS]

  in all capital letters and so somebody decided that to make sure nobody forgets [TS]

  their credit cards that right better make a scary [TS]

  yeah it's the complete opposite of Apple pay went out yeah it is confirmed you [TS]

  get this beautiful i am i some kind of money i'm going through the video right [TS]

  now I'm trying to collect these sounds so like we're at we're like we actually [TS]

  to hold the mic up at the at the register you know to get the the sounds [TS]

  but you're totally right i know exactly what you're talking about so with Apple [TS]

  pay you get this beautiful thing and it just feels like hey you just did [TS]

  something cool you're living in the future and with the chip you get like [TS]

  this yeah sounds like the star trek you know red alert when the Klingons are [TS]

  attacking like you're about to die right now the whole the whole situation is [TS]

  just like who [TS]

  everything it does feel like taking 15 steps back [TS]

  I'm with the whole payment system is like I get it secure but like I'm having [TS]

  this hugely awkward 10 seconds where I don't really know what to do and you [TS]

  know [TS]

  yeah i've also like I mean New York City store clerks are sort of fed up with me [TS]

  because I've been going into stores and doing six methods of payment so like I [TS]

  collect all this stuff and I like I'm gonna actually put this on six separate [TS]

  cards did it at trader joe's which is like typically the longest lines in new [TS]

  york city and the local woman was like just dying she's like this is so cool [TS]

  who's gonna win neck but yeah so I'm payment obsessed but I look forward to [TS]

  it i think that it's it's just so interesting to me that it seems like [TS]

  Apple pay was ahead of its time because it's already here and ready to [TS]

  capitalize on this seemingly mass turnover and point-of-sale terminals [TS]

  that that's happening right now [TS]

  yeah and it's actually it's I've been thinking back on this because you know [TS]

  now being in the industry for almost a decade you sort of get to to really see [TS]

  those moments when a company does you know as as it usually typically is apple [TS]

  takes what has been going on and makes it really really seamless and you know [TS]

  was thinking back to Google Wallet you know I i was one of the people who wrote [TS]

  about the first impressions of google wallet [TS]

  and you know it was like this hugely clunky thing where you have to hold the [TS]

  phone up to the right thing yet to launch the app you know it only worked [TS]

  on the Nexus was at the nexus might have been just the nexus of the Samsung Nexus [TS]

  you know and it only worked at like one retailer in the country and it just [TS]

  didn't work right and then so you know you had a couple of iterations of that [TS]

  and then you know then Apple pay comes out of whatever it's actually probably [TS]

  like four years later Apple pay you know requires the fingerprint it works really [TS]

  well it launches the thing and that we have samsung pay that basically does the [TS]

  same thing even better because it works at more places and we have android pay [TS]

  that also does the same thing so you know it was theirs took it a little bit [TS]

  of time for us to get here and there's certainly a uphill battle as you know a [TS]

  lot more retailers have to try and support this but it really does feel [TS]

  like there was this turning point with Apple pay ya i really want to see this [TS]

  NFC stuff go elsewhere to like I i really want to see the airport switch [TS]

  from those infrared scanners yeah you two NFC i hate i just hate put my phone [TS]

  down like when they want you to like let go your phone and put it on the fly [TS]

  don't let go of my phone [TS]

  you know what I mean right yeah i just had an ear and I so badly wanted them at [TS]

  the subways and metrocards it's just I'm constantly not sure which money's on my [TS]

  card and you lose the card yes absolutely [TS]

  yeah there's so much more potential and I mean I really do think at some point [TS]

  you know the phone is is obviously the wallet but there's just you know in [TS]

  terms of identification as well [TS]

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  it looks great on your giant 5k imac it is truly a modern product for 2016 not [TS]

  for 1997 and it is easy to configure too so if you're the point person on your [TS]

  small team and you're the one is going to set up the igloo internet it is easy [TS]

  to do it's all drag-and-drop its visual it is logical [TS]

  it is sensible to Maine it is not like you have to get in there and enter book [TS]

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  for a non-tech person or designer type person to just set up on your own you [TS]

  can share news you can organize files coordinate calendars manage product [TS]

  projects all in one place and everything can be social with comments and like [TS]

  buttons so it's like you can have your own internal private team Internet where [TS]

  you post a little micro post like Twitter you can collect likes you get [TS]

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  my thanks to glue a couple other things and you've been writing about you wrote [TS]

  I thought really interesting column on the fifty-dollar I forget what it's [TS]

  called the blue r 1 HD which is kind of a mouthful [TS]

  that's this is the phone that it's made by a company called blue and amazon [TS]

  selling it for fifty bucks and how much is the one with more storage as 60 bucks [TS]

  it's just so funny like with Apple it goes up a hundred dollars to get more [TS]

  right yeah yeah because of ten dollars [TS]

  yeah it's yeah yeah not a hundred sixty dollar a pretty decent android phone and [TS]

  the biggest catch is that when you the lock screen is full of Amazon's special [TS]

  offers [TS]

  yeah it is the catch a big one [TS]

  I think that Amazon could have some serious success with this guy i don't [TS]

  know i don't want to bet on it because I feel like Amazon's never really been [TS]

  able to sell phones but I feel like if anything is going to work into this [TS]

  yeah yeah well i mean i think i think if they had some higher end phones with [TS]

  this model it could be really interesting i think in these in these [TS]

  lower end cases I think certainly there sir good damn substitution or burner [TS]

  phones in a way like you know if you're be broken [TS]

  this is actually the the CEO blue told me that's that one of their biggest [TS]

  markets as people who break iphones or galaxy phones and don't have the money [TS]

  right away to go buy a new one [TS]

  you know especially now that people are buying phones outright and might not [TS]

  have insurance etc so they buy these phones and sort of hold onto it for a [TS]

  couple months or you know it's used for travel or to use for kids and so they're [TS]

  sort of like lower end phones in that sense but yeah I think for for amazon [TS]

  this is sort of makes the most sense and even I think they're I think even even [TS]

  without the ads I spoke to an analyst even without the ads they could probably [TS]

  stand to take to bring down the price and take a hit if they're really loading [TS]

  up with some of their services right because when you get the phone you log [TS]

  into amazon and it sort of logs you into all the Amazon apps so you know music [TS]

  and alexa and kindle shopping and kindle exactly exactly [TS]

  notice it's pretty good experience for four if you're really all in on amazon [TS]

  and it's it it seems so much better than the fire phone that they tried like two [TS]

  years ago which really was i mean hands off them for trying something new but it [TS]

  just seems like that whole project went way off in the rain [TS]

  else once they started going in the direction of having the user interface [TS]

  that tilts in 3d as you move the phone it's like it you know cool demo but like [TS]

  a terrible idea for action and usability and they got they were too close to it [TS]

  to recognize that and actually brought it to market you know and they also were [TS]

  cutting off google services which was just like what are you you know you're [TS]

  you know in many ways amazon's a perfect complement to google on the phone but [TS]

  it's not a replacement right now because like everyone doesn't offer email right [TS]

  yeah yeah where our anyone but what maps to with wood amazon app however you know [TS]

  calorie right it's like with the with the Alexa what it was in my device [TS]

  called when i talk to my LexA except echo Michael yeah I i just want to call [TS]

  it my act my alexa i allow yeah if you want to get your calendar on their you [TS]

  you know the best did really the only integrated calendars google calendar [TS]

  examples i have a calendar product right and you know in terms of Amazon's bottom [TS]

  line and trying to get you to buy things like Google doesn't try to really get us [TS]

  to buy things other than it's sort of the ads it wants us to get to I mean you [TS]

  know with with amazon that is sort of integrated experience of of books and [TS]

  and and movies and music I mean yes obviously google also has their solution [TS]

  there but it's it's not the first thing that comes to mind when I think about [TS]

  Google yeah so I mean it's a pretty good experience for for an Amazon user you [TS]

  know I I wasn't crazy about the ads on the lockscreen I just think it's a [TS]

  pretty personal thing and it's it's funny you kinda like you know you want [TS]

  to keep looking to see what the next one's going to be but I feel like that [TS]

  would get a little old you've got and you've you've got your dog on your lock [TS]

  screen right i have my dog my life story of course and so when you're trying the [TS]

  blue phone and instead of seeing your your dog you see an ad for virgin i saw [TS]

  i was seeing I was some photos of other dogs that are not as cute because i was [TS]

  getting ads for for a dog food [TS]

  oh so they had that's a little that's a little too on-the-nose I know and we're [TS]

  not cute dogs so you know it's [TS]

  yeah i mean there but there are other ones to which I was like I got one for a [TS]

  few like a dietary supplement is that what are you trying to tell me amazon [TS]

  and then one of them was that for typing tutor and it was like what why would I [TS]

  am a great typer I'm gonna be the best type or i know i'm just like Donald [TS]

  Trump yeah you actually are I've seen your type you are believe me I'm a great [TS]

  typer your love typing it is to the you do take those things personally [TS]

  yeah like yeah what are you talking about i don't need to go on a diet I [TS]

  mean it probably do but whatever i don't need Mavis bacon telling me yeah but [TS]

  it's definitely interesting and I mean what's what's really interesting is how [TS]

  cheap that hardware is and how impressive it it is for the price you [TS]

  know i'm i'm impressed that their CEO was so honest with you you know that [TS]

  this is a fun people by one they you know you know can't afford to you know [TS]

  they just broke their two-year-old seven hundred dollar iphone or galaxy [TS]

  yeah i mean a fifty dollar price point but they have phones at a hundred and [TS]

  thirty dollars we would you know probably not great cameras but certainly [TS]

  good enough for many people and they're selling a lot of those two you know it's [TS]

  in this whole phenomenon happening in Android phones the best android phones [TS]

  right now are four hundred dollars they're great [TS]

  this one this new one plus is amazing for the price you know a great camera [TS]

  fingerprint sensors were great good build good screens you know your when [TS]

  you when you want to go up and you want to get sort of the iphone equivalent and [TS]

  Android or samsung that's what you're paying 650 dollars for but look if you [TS]

  want a good phone and you want to pay four hundred dollars you're getting an [TS]

  android phone and it's funny I guess you're getting up as s at NSE right i [TS]

  mean is known as he is it isn't as a iphone SE costs for 50 [TS]

  yeah 499 I forget maybe 399 i think i might start but that is 16 gigabytes [TS]

  yes i was i just pretend like it doesn't exist right i think right 499 to get [TS]

  like original measurement when I was my scoop of the summer and that was the my [TS]

  you know that the I the next iphone will start at 32 gigabytes my sources say oh [TS]

  that's great news [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  that is I hope you're right i really hope your trip [TS]

  oh I mean I reported in that prison on you know don't upgrade your iphone right [TS]

  now or don't buy an iphone right now is sort of hidden in there but that was [TS]

  that was the best I could dig up on that on the new life huh i miss that but that [TS]

  is actually wonderful i would've been on I have no inside information on that [TS]

  whatsoever but it's just my gut feeling that it it's just preposterous it if ya [TS]

  and then I think Apple heard that but I think also the cost of storage is so [TS]

  down that it doesn't affect their bottom line anymore to just give us 30 to the [TS]

  question then when I couldn't get sources on we're sort of the tears that [TS]

  would be happening after that i'm obviously there's these rumors that will [TS]

  go all the way up to 256 and I i believe that so I don't know because of the [TS]

  camera in my opinion that's the single biggest reason is that these cameras [TS]

  that the still images are like if you have live picture on there like 13 [TS]

  megabytes ya think yeah this is my argument in the in my success review [TS]

  last year which was that you know two things absolutely need to be improved in [TS]

  number one with storage or number one is battery life or number two storage and [TS]

  it was because the camera guy had gotten better and you want then we had added [TS]

  for cake they had added 4k video and we were still stuck with a base of 16 or 4k [TS]

  video at a 16 gigabyte storage card is it's right [TS]

  it just does not it doesn't job and it's and look it's not enabled out-of-the-box [TS]

  but I'm Apple was marketing that this was this was a 4k capable phone and they [TS]

  were certainly I mean the biggest marketing . was the live photos which [TS]

  were three times the size of your regular photos so you know give us the [TS]

  storage and it sounds like we're gonna get the storage so i'll stop complaining [TS]

  no I don't have . complaining about battery life but we'll see about that [TS]

  yeah so it's 499 for the 64 gigabytes SE and it is 399 for the 16 gigabyte SE [TS]

  alright so yeah alright those decent at a decent value in comparison to the $400 [TS]

  android phones on the Apple side [TS]

  no I think that's so unbelievable to the [TS]

  Blue is just admit that you know hey that's what these you know some of the [TS]

  market for this is people who just need to stop over phone just pop your sim in [TS]

  there and get x 41 yeah you know I actually i might end up buying one [TS]

  because what I usually do is I have this new process which I read about last year [TS]

  which is that i will sell my iphone about a month ahead of the new launch to [TS]

  make back a good amount of money on it and then i'll put that money towards the [TS]

  next iphone instead of doing these upgrade plans this is just worked for me [TS]

  and I'm lucky enough to have enough phones lying around that i have a phone [TS]

  a loaner phone for the month of you [TS]

  august-september but you know the blue is actually a great option for people [TS]

  who are just like I know I'm going to get the next iphone i want to make you [TS]

  know 500 you know 550 depending on what size phone you have in you know selling [TS]

  it at the end of august or $MONTH beginning of august and use the blue [TS]

  phone [TS]

  yeah I also think and you were saying about how a lot of that the android [TS]

  phones you know I all have good screens all have good cameras [TS]

  it's I've noticed that too and it's not surprising because i think that it's the [TS]

  you know this is the single most competitive market in all of consumer [TS]

  electronics [TS]

  I mean it's everybody has a I just come phones down but everybody has a [TS]

  smartphone and it's funny how that the technology the the water finds its own [TS]

  level fairly quickly we're just a few years ago I i mean i remember that even [TS]

  the top of the line android phones had the worst color on those OLED screens [TS]

  like at it and for someone picky like me it was just unbearable like the way that [TS]

  like Pink's would I remember the flickr logo it would like Syria retina because [TS]

  of that pink on the flickr logo because write it like hit the sweet spot of OLED [TS]

  where it just like went off the charts in terms of being like super saturated [TS]

  yeah I used to be Samsung's huge problem yeah screens and and it really made you [TS]

  know like you could design around it in the user interface it by picking colors [TS]

  that look good on a LED but like for photography it was it was just dreadful [TS]

  because things that it looked like you applied like a weird Instagram filter in [TS]

  your photo it was just like though that's just your picture right yeah i [TS]

  mean that's that's that over that is it's like I haven't seen at even medium [TS]

  to high level android phone that has weird color issues i'm sure that you can [TS]

  you know that the experts you know you can look at them and see the little find [TS]

  differences but like just like to then just the basic i eyeball test of looking [TS]

  at it they all look good [TS]

  yeah i mean and then then samsung phone is just it's is beautiful now that the [TS]

  screen is beautiful [TS]

  yeah and i think that the cameras are all decent i think i still think that [TS]

  the iphone has a pretty you know noticeable advantage [TS]

  maybe not over this diced and get the new galaxy which is yes it's a good [TS]

  camera but that's a move that's brand new phone but over like the mid market [TS]

  android phones but even there that cameras are friends really good compared [TS]

  to even like stand alone . shoots from a few years ago [TS]

  oh yeah yeah i mean that the camera on that blue that [TS]

  oh yeah yeah i mean that the camera on that blue that [TS]

  $50 blue was horrendous I mean like horrendous when you go up even to a [TS]

  two-hundred-dollar android phone huawei makes a really good 200 other phone with [TS]

  I think it's like a 13-megapixel camera who knows what kind of sensor but that [TS]

  is a that's like you certainly possible for many people but yeah the $400 phone [TS]

  certainly don't take as good a shot as the s the the seven or the iphone but [TS]

  rather they're good [TS]

  let me take one break before we wrap up the show and thank our third and final [TS]

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  vacation photos from this summer printed out alright last thing I wanted to talk [TS]

  to you about then you can bring up anything else you want with the [TS]

  remaining times I want to talk to you about this whole windows 10 upgrade [TS]

  thing because this is like I'm vaguely aware of it but my weird like i don't [TS]

  use any windows stuff means that i'm not really aware of it can you explain this [TS]

  to me [TS]

  sure Adam okay you ready for that for the deep oxygenation yes [TS]

  ok so it's actually pretty complicated and I said in that piece that like it's [TS]

  you know these I don't understand why microsoft and just do these updates in [TS]

  one fell swoop but I'm so last year at Europe ago today yet right a year ago [TS]

  today Apple really apple microsoft released windows 10 is a free update for [TS]

  windows 8 and Windows 7 users windows 7 windows 8 and windows 8.1 user so you [TS]

  enable out and i'll just point out for those who don't remember they skip one [TS]

  does not it could skip windows 9 [TS]

  that's right and and so for the last year you've been able able to upgrade [TS]

  for free but today tonight at 11pm hawaii time which is the most random [TS]

  timezone ever you will no longer be able to upgrade for free so that is what [TS]

  today is is everyone with me [TS]

  alright then on august second which is next monday monday tuesday thursday the [TS]

  $DAY anniversary update goes out so people who have had windows 10 [TS]

  and for the last year or the last couple months we'll get this push about [TS]

  download Windows 10 anniversary update and that update adds very few new [TS]

  features some good stability fixes in Microsoft edge browser which is kind of [TS]

  a big deal that's like what most people use on their on their computers and it [TS]

  has extensions now there's a lot of new stylist tricks that they have that [TS]

  you're actually pretty cool [TS]

  Cortana does some more things a it's you know it's small it's sort of like a you [TS]

  know the equivalent of a el capitan release 44 grapple write a year a year [TS]

  and um but yeah it's kind of confusing right one day was the end of the free [TS]

  updates for all for all users and then next week is this and then if you were [TS]

  one of the people who just updated right now like today to Windows 10 you won't [TS]

  actually get that anniversary update for a month or so so yeah it's pretty [TS]

  staggered at what they do this I think [TS]

  well the answer I got was basically there was two separate teams it was [TS]

  timing of two separate teams [TS]

  yeah yeah I why is there like an accounting angle like where we're for [TS]

  accounting purposes they can't just continue to give Windows 10 to other [TS]

  people for free [TS]

  no i mean i think that was just like us I think that was if an offer and that [TS]

  was a marketing push you know it's a marketing push I think I'm there's some [TS]

  business of selling window idea right [TS]

  they're still in the business of selling windows but they are you know there's [TS]

  definitely hints that windows as a service or a subscription could be [TS]

  something that happens and i certainly think they're they're setting up for [TS]

  that but I don't know and I don't know [TS]

  yeah I just don't know what they're really sort of thinking in terms of of [TS]

  and it does seem to me you know somebody who casually looks at all these big [TS]

  companies quarterly [TS]

  reports when they come out just to keep an eye on you know who's doing well [TS]

  whatever it really does seem to me that under satya nadella microsoft is very [TS]

  successfully meaning itself or maybe has already wind itself away from being the [TS]

  company that sells windows and office that they have serious significant you [TS]

  know the same scale you know the company's as big as it was as revenue [TS]

  that you know on these services that make up for it that they could [TS]

  definitely you know it it it doesn't seem foolish you know ten years ago [TS]

  would have been ridiculous to say that they should just make windows free but [TS]

  it seems now it seems like well as a front end to these services that they're [TS]

  selling you know and to do it on a subscription model doesn't seem silly at [TS]

  all right well I they want to obviously be a services company and I think you [TS]

  know as they move into more of these sort of at AI or no the Cortana's of the [TS]

  world and the other types of services they're trying to build into the [TS]

  operating system you know the more we come to lean on those types of things [TS]

  and the more we we sort of want to pay bike or we may we may use Microsoft [TS]

  services across our devices you know especially on the iPhone Apple stomach I [TS]

  I'm microsoft a really good job with some of those iphone apps you know maybe [TS]

  there's a chance they think you know you buy it you sort of lumped in with your [TS]

  office 365 subscription and you get all of this other stuff i don't know i don't [TS]

  know what about this whole thing we're too many people are obviously getting [TS]

  like surprise your computer's been updated to windows 10 [TS]

  yeah it's hugely huge problem so like my understanding is that they have [TS]

  configured default settings or made it at it so that if you just click through [TS]

  setup like maybe like two years ago or whatever when you got your Windows 8 [TS]

  computer that it's all set up so that at some point overnight it's going to [TS]

  update itself to windows 10 which is a major update [TS]

  yeah and people are very upset about this people are really upset about ones [TS]

  in one I think what happened was [TS]

  and I've gotten I i'm in general i've never gotten so many readers angry [TS]

  reader emails as i have gotten this week it [TS]

  not about what I'm about to talk about but it is about huge customer service [TS]

  problems that Microsoft seems to have on this and you really want to talk about [TS]

  microsoft needing to control the hardware and software experience is I [TS]

  mean I see it in every single one of these emails which i wish i could [TS]

  respond to so I'm sure none of these listeners are actually the people that [TS]

  emailed me there there there quite old I can tell from the fonts and the [TS]

  signatures that I get in these emails but they're just infuriated that you [TS]

  know they updated and their printer doesn't work they updated and the driver [TS]

  for their the graphics driver doesn't work you know they're I I'm not and I [TS]

  have not had these problems i upgraded three old laptops in the last two weeks [TS]

  when i was writing that piece i actually think windows seven Israelite Windows 10 [TS]

  is really stable and i really like using it for a lot of similarities to the mac [TS]

  when it comes to handling your your apps and stuff like that so yeah I think I [TS]

  think it's a huge customer service problem but the issue on the upgrade [TS]

  what happened was there was a pop-up like I turned on these old computers and [TS]

  I had tons of windows 10 upgrade pop-ups and my whole video is basically the [TS]

  pop-up interrupting my sentence because it I could like I would launch these [TS]

  animals like every five minutes you would say oh did you know windows 10 is [TS]

  that your upgrades expiring it's like I freaking told you to go away but what [TS]

  happened was one of those pop-ups it i guess you know you don't read it very [TS]

  closely and so one of them said you know your computer will upgrade to Windows 10 [TS]

  tonight if you know but the scheduled time and you know if you have a problem [TS]

  with that you know kick cancel or whatever and people didn't hit those [TS]

  they hit the red X and there it ended up just it didn't end up overriding the the [TS]

  pop-up or whatever the command was to start upgrading and that's what happened [TS]

  right and it's a lot of people just were like my computer upgrade over night and [TS]

  I told them no way and it's one of those things that's always bugged me about [TS]

  windows as a UI nerd and critic is the way that they often have those windows [TS]

  where there's both like ok cancel and read write and it's like I think it is [TS]

  if you're a that's a bad design [TS]

  it's a really bad design but if you're going to do that the [TS]

  it is very natural to think as a just a normal person who doesn't think about [TS]

  the UI just you know reacts to it that the red X means do nothing that it's [TS]

  like Ansel right that should not really hitting the red X to close the windows [TS]

  should not mean okay go ahead and do this super significant almost risky [TS]

  thing right and actually it the pop-up that I put in the in the article i wrote [TS]

  this week [TS]

  it says you know sorry to interrupt but this is important Windows 10 free [TS]

  upgrade offer will and july twenty ninth right this big text right and then [TS]

  underneath it says upgrade now within a box or remind Lee remind me later in a [TS]

  box and that's all those are the main options right but then in the bottom [TS]

  left-hand corner and i'll send you this link it says do not notify me again in a [TS]

  similar purple to the purple pop-up so it's almost like so hard to see that [TS]

  it's like it you wouldn't you wouldn't notice it right like if you get this [TS]

  pop-up you just wanted to go away either hit the X or hit remind me later [TS]

  right because you don't have any other option is this happening in your [TS]

  survival guide to perpetual windows yeah yeah I've already got that link I've got [TS]

  terrible you know the and it's crazy it's just like that's not fair to people [TS]

  but then you know what I couldn't get and and i think this is something that [TS]

  happens it's happening and I i think this is actually a separate piece it's [TS]

  happening to everyone all of our operating systems i talked about in this [TS]

  piece but you know android/ios it doesn't matter mac windows these [TS]

  companies want to get you on their newest operating system they want to do [TS]

  it for a couple of reasons you know in in Microsoft's case is actually a little [TS]

  bit unclear obviously they would love everyone to be on it I think they're [TS]

  there is some some data mining going on that I think really does benefit [TS]

  microsoft in the cases of Apple it always seems like its security and it [TS]

  seems like a bragging right that they get to say everyone is on this latest [TS]

  operating system but certainly security and features play pretty high on the top [TS]

  of the list of of why they want people on the new software notice there's [TS]

  something else i'm missing I mean what is the other main reason these companies [TS]

  want us on their latest software i know i think you hit him [TS]

  yeah i think you know [TS]

  Security's 1i think new features that they want people to have access to our [TS]

  another you know I know with with iOS and mac OS to a lesser degree i think [TS]

  but with iOS i know that there are and I've written about it many times there's [TS]

  often complaints from people with like three year old iphones right who find [TS]

  that their experience degrades after they go ahead and do what is obviously [TS]

  what Apple want you to do is and I think that they've changed it i don't think [TS]

  that it automatically updates but they've made it even more aggressive i [TS]

  think starting last year in terms of ya one should automatically but it will say [TS]

  it's that I think there's the same options upgrade now remind me later and [TS]

  you know there's no I think what they've changed I I know it I know what they've [TS]

  done is that they've changed it works like upgrade now and like the next [TS]

  scheduled it [TS]

  yeah the next button which makes you think like it's maybe like now don't do [TS]

  it really means i'm gonna do it when you plug me in a right I'm going to schedule [TS]

  it [TS]

  yeah yeah that's what it is and it's Loula you know it's nowhere near as [TS]

  sneaky as I think what Microsoft is doing but you could argue that it's it's [TS]

  not bad UI design it's sort of snappy UI design who write um it's definitely the [TS]

  case that the security issues are real though like that for sure i was talking [TS]

  on this your last week with inflation about these these bugs that were fixed [TS]

  in this these image format things where you know did all these bugs were [TS]

  discovered where that the way that you could send somebody and I message with [TS]

  aid maliciously designed image and just by looking at the iMessage you you know [TS]

  you could be exploited and they fixed it but they've only fixed it in the very [TS]

  latest versions of iOS and Mac os10 and at least to my knowledge they haven't [TS]

  done like so if you're like you know Yosemite still you do you don't have a [TS]

  fix for this yet so the only way to get these fixes is to stay like totally up [TS]

  to date [TS]

  mhm right right which yeah i mean that's certainly there the right incentive to [TS]

  also tell users because that's that's scary [TS]

  that's you know you don't want to be put the blame for that and yeah [TS]

  anything else that you wanted to talk about this week's Joanna so many things [TS]

  to talk about [TS]

  I don't know I don't know if there's only one more thing I'd pick your brain [TS]

  about is I looking at everybody's results some strong quarters from lots [TS]

  of people facebook and google both did really well online advertising Twitter [TS]

  not so good and I i don't know i'm not a business expert I could be totally wrong [TS]

  I have a gut feeling like twitter is not long for this world as an independent [TS]

  company i think somebody is gonna require them and i did my question is [TS]

  who I can answer my question if verizon by yahoo why not verizon I think for [TS]

  aizen's got all this money and they want content right I'm not trying to be a [TS]

  good idea i'm not saying the verizon would be good or bad as parent but I [TS]

  could see them being interested in it i can see that to also just for this sort [TS]

  of TV integration to ya nabi asked and comcast is is would be another one that [TS]

  i would think my because they have more money than they know what to do with and [TS]

  are sort of looking to own content right right just a gut feeling I want to be I [TS]

  want to be able to say I was right when Twitter ends up being acquired sometime [TS]

  in the near future [TS]

  no I think I think that's a yeah I don't know where we're makes sense i don't [TS]

  know i don't know that makes sense is the right way to think about it because [TS]

  I don't think it makes any sense for verizon to buy Yahoo's ever had but they [TS]

  did it [TS]

  you know I think that's maybe that's what I've the it's the yahoo thing that [TS]

  put put it in my head to where verizon buying yahoo doesn't make much sense to [TS]

  me but then I realized like so stop thinking of who would make sense for to [TS]

  buy Twitter and just think who would do it and that's what made me think like [TS]

  Comcast Verizon or somebody like that right well yeah I mean I think that the [TS]

  when you think of Twitter as like you know I said a couple of months ago when [TS]

  pissarro you know Twitter really isn't a social network it's a it's a media site [TS]

  yep and and they don't they don't know it themselves they don't know it now but [TS]

  they're starting to get into it a little bit more i think also the focus on [TS]

  periscope there's been a lot of updates to periscope which is [TS]

  it's a sad thing is now everyone's out using facebook live and it's gotten tons [TS]

  abuzz this summer and you know this was an opportunity Twitter really could have [TS]

  been a head out on that and they were in yeah it seems like just in the last two [TS]

  weeks as a political junkie watching that the two conventions it seemed like [TS]

  whenever they were talking about people streaming stuff from their phones it was [TS]

  always it was just facebook live was what it was almost like you know and [TS]

  like in Chelsea Clinton speech last night when she was talking about our [TS]

  grandkids talking to Hillary Clinton she just said facetime you know like [TS]

  FaceTime right thing right when you talk that's just what people say and that for [TS]

  this like broadcasting I'm here and I'm gonna broadcast people on social [TS]

  networks Facebook life definitely and I like periscope and IO periscope you know [TS]

  continues to thrive but it seems like Facebook live just swooped in and ate [TS]

  their lunch right right i mean because people are there and also periscope [TS]

  really not till like a couple of months ago was really sort of integrated in the [TS]

  Twitter experience right i mean it's sort of like was like we own this thing [TS]

  and you can get your twitter followers integrated here but like you know [TS]

  watching one of those through the twitter apps and stuff was not a was not [TS]

  a thing and now they've worked on that integration more [TS]

  yeah yeah that was that was my last thing I join us on thank you so much for [TS]

  your time always have a confession i've been thinking about our the apple watch [TS]

  a lot lately because I finally I I'm gonna I i took mine off for a couple of [TS]

  months i just did not find it useful a 44 things that I mace mostly i use that [TS]

  but watch to tell the time and when i was working out and it's sort of like I [TS]

  just got tired of working out with it on it was just it lost its its relevance to [TS]

  me what do you think you think there's gonna be a new one and in the fall you [TS]

  know what that's an excellent i had it's like everybody's saying iphone iphone [TS]

  iphone let's you know it's going to look like the old iphones kind of a new [TS]

  camera is gonna be there's gonna be lighter is going to be way faster what [TS]

  you know it blah blah blah [TS]

  I'll and find my phone up yeah no headphone all this you know but its [TS]

  pages and pages and nobody's talking about Apple watch [TS]

  I think that they're definitely gonna do a new Apple watch in September I don't [TS]

  know I really no indication about this all right and we've heard no leaks which [TS]

  is interesting but i only think that because of watch os3 and so as I'm [TS]

  wearing [TS]

  let's watch again you know I kind of keep thinking in the back of my head I [TS]

  don't have os3 on here but I keep thinking this thing's gonna be so much [TS]

  better with when I have watched us three on here and then I sort of keep thinking [TS]

  what would the hardware improvements be that would make that even better and i [TS]

  happen to think they all a lot of them are fitness-related I'm because that was [TS]

  the real focus at wwc yeah I think fitness-related I think that they've [TS]

  realized you know with one sit-down a real world that the fitness stuff is off [TS]

  the charts popular so it seems like there could be design considerations to [TS]

  emphasize that more and I think now that they've rethought the way that the the [TS]

  two buttons work the crown right but that's right that's right [TS]

  they've rethought the way they work in the u.s. I think for the better even on [TS]

  the old watch the existing watch that we know but if they're rethought them like [TS]

  that in the software why not I don't know what they would do I don't know but [TS]

  it's something to make them even more apt to the new purpose in the OS totally [TS]

  tony and i think that and I think the thing could be thinner [TS]

  yeah for sure yeah so and battery life possibly a little bit better but that [TS]

  you know and i find it crazy that there's no speculation about it I don't [TS]

  know we have had something to do with the fact that like somehow in the supply [TS]

  chain they've got a new you know they're doing it in a way that actually can hold [TS]

  the secret in a way that the iphone supply chain obviously can't remember [TS]

  and because of that if it doesn't leak through the supply chain it just doesn't [TS]

  percolate out to our speculation but seems crazy to me that there's not more [TS]

  speculation right now at the beginning of august the end of july about a device [TS]

  that I think we're going to hear about in like six weeks right [TS]

  maybe it doesn't ship that no I just like they did you buy but this year they [TS]

  would have to ship before Christmas right right exactly where right yeah [TS]

  November yeah they could ship as late as like early November I think but that I [TS]

  add that's all and i would expect that I would expect that the iphone ships in [TS]

  September but that i do announced a new watch it will be like October thing [TS]

  yeah I agree yeah I'm you know I feel like that's one of the big you know [TS]

  hopefully will be surprised when we go out there in September to hear about [TS]

  this stuff but I down with you i think that they're going to do it and the fact [TS]

  that there's no rumors about it i think it's just sort of [TS]

  I don't know what it is I I guess I mean maybe I'm wrong maybe there is you know [TS]

  they just had in the Christmas selling the same watch they've been sewing for [TS]

  two years but it seems crazy to me that doesn't cross behind your dollars right [TS]

  yeah 200 bucks last year right like a the one offered at target [TS]

  I mean that's the 1i see that's I see that one a lot [TS]

  I see women wearing the rose gold one that was offered on cheaper at Target [TS]

  and Walmart than most most of them huh I see a lot of women wearing them I see [TS]

  more I see an awful lot of them [TS]

  yeah i mean that's you know New York workout seen as Apple watches other [TS]

  stupid stuff its butt and me and that's like one of the things I'm also really [TS]

  excited about which is the competition stuff that's yeah you know you can [TS]

  compare others [TS]

  I'm excited about that and watching us three yeah so I definitely think that [TS]

  that is I think it's just overwhelmed by the speculation about the new iphone [TS]

  whatever they're going to call it right [TS]

  I definitely think it's coming and I think it'll be really really interesting [TS]

  because i feel like the iphone is at a point where it's almost 10 years old and [TS]

  there it's not surprising to me that the new iphone is supposedly so similar to [TS]

  the success because they've had so many times to iterate it that there they've [TS]

  sort of that achieved the Platonic ideal of the form factor at least in their [TS]

  mind [TS]

  whereas the watch they've only done one and it's like think back to like the [TS]

  early years of the iphone in how quickly they you know went from the original to [TS]

  those plastic 3 g's to the 4s or the 4 and 4s you know they made significant [TS]

  improvements and changes to the form factor in just a few years and I feel [TS]

  like they could do the same with the watch right right [TS]

  and last but not least if we're going to talk about that I do believe because i [TS]

  know people will ask i believe that if they do have a new watch that it will [TS]

  remain strap compatible with the existing watch straps [TS]

  yeah i think that makes sense that's why i said--that's why put this new watch on [TS]

  actually found this band and it's like that it was those the new felt band what [TS]

  is that what they call these the i forget what that's called and i really [TS]

  like it and I really you know it kind of like and I you know that the whole band [TS]

  thing it's really it's so smart and we really deny the nylon [TS]

  one yeah yeah it's not felt it's like a braided nylon fabric yeah yeah i mean it [TS]

  feels like a new watch to me [TS]

  yeah that's my favorite too especially for wearing into like exercise you don't [TS]

  like to wear when you exercise you do know i do and i like but I i have the [TS]

  one with the the metal link band you know it would ya like a serious stress [TS]

  man and it just all it just feels really weird to me to go yeah it worked out [TS]

  that yeah Frank it just feels too heavy and it just feels weird when you sweat [TS]

  on it and whereas this nylon fabric feels like it's almost like an athletic [TS]

  material [TS]

  yeah yeah my problem with it is that it like unlike the sport bandit like can't [TS]

  get it that tight around my wrist and so the heart rate monitors and work as well [TS]

  it's not snug like really snug but yeah it looks really nice [TS]

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