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  incomparable number 246 may 2015 [TS]

  welcome back everybody to the [TS]

  uncomfortable i'm your host Jason L in [TS]

  this episode we're going to be talking [TS]

  about [TS]

  not one particular work but the [TS]

  phenomenon of being assigned reading for [TS]

  class things we liked things we really [TS]

  didn't like books the traumatized us [TS]

  perhaps the fact that the the entire [TS]

  story of of having reading assigned to [TS]

  you and reading it because you must [TS]

  instead of because you want to join me [TS]

  on this adventure I hope they did the [TS]

  reading mr. maybe two or three final [TS]

  point David Lawrence here hello hello [TS]

  Erica enzyme is also out there [TS]

  hello yeah but I did the reading yeah [TS]

  I'm good good I'm glad and from a [TS]

  far-off land actually closer than usual [TS]

  it's andy and Aiko hi Andy [TS]

  Erica did you have your pass me your [TS]

  mother what I'd read it may come on give [TS]

  me my lunch money today we're going to [TS]

  talk so assigned reading of the premise [TS]

  here is obviously you get you get [TS]

  assigned reading in class and there's [TS]

  the books that you love but you know [TS]

  there are also the books that you hate [TS]

  that drove you up the wall and into not [TS]

  that we want to go entirely negative [TS]

  here but I'll you know it's fun to talk [TS]

  about to talk about that stuff and [TS]

  classics and and they make you read that [TS]

  you that you didn't like or that you did [TS]

  like so we're going to start off David [TS]

  Lord do you have something you want to [TS]

  talk about a book that either displays [TS]

  your please use this is not a draft so [TS]

  much as a a parade [TS]

  why don't even know i just made that I [TS]

  like that already look see [TS]

  did you start off the parade of the [TS]

  Grand Marshal today I i was gonna say do [TS]

  do we do we serve you like the saturday [TS]

  night live episode and just invoke [TS]

  everyone gets catcher in the rye know [TS]

  that not everybody gets catcher in the [TS]

  rye how depends which category upid that [TS]

  well that should lead to some [TS]

  interesting discussion but you go ahead [TS]

  David well I'm since since i'm leading [TS]

  off and and if this were draft [TS]

  I wonder how many people I would trip up [TS]

  by picking a separate peace by john [TS]

  knowles which is I guess I guess a good [TS]

  alternate title for it would be whiney [TS]

  white privilege is what you [TS]

  oh god I still have flashbacks I've [TS]

  never read this tell me what this book [TS]

  and they're basically it's it's two boys [TS]

  at a prep school who develop an intense [TS]

  friendship and and tragedy strikes you [TS]

  know it's just it's already get the [TS]

  consumption and no one unfortunately [TS]

  unfortunat last but you know me and I [TS]

  just I wanted everyone in this book to [TS]

  die and i like that chapter 20 just go [TS]

  away leave me alone [TS]

  I mean I was not a fan of Catcher in the [TS]

  Rye but at least I could get through it [TS]

  but but this was the same year this was [TS]

  11th grade 11th grade honors english was [TS]

  brilliant because it was a separate [TS]

  peace catcher in the rye Macbeth [TS]

  I mean it was just sort of this parade [TS]

  of tragedy and depression and oh that [TS]

  but a separate piece was the worst of [TS]

  the lot [TS]

  it's it's like dead poets society except [TS]

  not as fun [TS]

  yelitza and I hate dead poets society [TS]

  ever heard of the device but I've never [TS]

  I've never read it so I i guess my guess [TS]

  we escaped from the Swede sweet i don't [TS]

  have to wait for the team taking don't [TS]

  don't do it don't do it separate peace [TS]

  they made a movie of that too apparently [TS]

  yes will be something yeah I have also [TS]

  heard of it but but never never read it [TS]

  that was not one of the ones we had to [TS]

  read this is I think but the most [TS]

  telling thing about if you do a Google [TS]

  search for a separate piece you know [TS]

  what comes up first [TS]

  oh not the wikipedia page not the amazon [TS]

  page what comes up first is the [TS]

  sparknotes wow so you are any [TS]

  CliffsNotes is the fifth so I yeah [TS]

  because you don't want to have to [TS]

  actually read this is if you can help it [TS]

  I think we should rank all of the the [TS]

  books that we talked about tonight based [TS]

  on what you know how many go down to [TS]

  just three i will i'm gonna be manning [TS]

  the browser interrupt your eggs let Andy [TS]

  and I could want you want you throw in a [TS]

  uh some assigned reading that you didn't [TS]

  like about that all that this was an [TS]

  easy one [TS]

  Ethan from I absolutely freaking aided [TS]

  this book and maybe admittedly it was [TS]

  partly because of the way that this book [TS]

  was being taught every single thing that [TS]

  could possibly have been symbolism this [TS]

  teacher wanted to understand that [TS]

  let's talk about the pickle dish today [TS]

  now it's not justice is that it's not [TS]

  just a pickle dish you have to [TS]

  understand that what the author med is [TS]

  for us to transform friends modify our [TS]

  feelings about this relationship to the [TS]

  pickle dish and I'm like I'm not I [TS]

  wasn't having it [TS]

  I i remember it was a landmark book for [TS]

  me and get class because it was the one [TS]

  where it's like I we did the sweetest [TS]

  Shakespeare couple years ago and i was [TS]

  with you all through that we did a whole [TS]

  bunch of series and other books i was [TS]

  with you i was willing to die I could [TS]

  sense what you wanted me to say on this [TS]

  test on this essay or in this class work [TS]

  and I gave it to you [TS]

  I draw the line at ethan frome because i [TS]

  read it and was just this drippy over [TS]

  rod overwritten doesn't ever get to the [TS]

  point story where instead of like Shh [TS]

  distance instead of putting something in [TS]

  the book that's materially interesting [TS]

  or put advances the plot this author [TS]

  wanted to put four pages on let's talk [TS]

  about the color now of the candy dish [TS]

  let's have a scene which their heads [TS]

  touch but almost touch and I'm but i [TS]

  believe that this was also the first one [TS]

  where I handed in the essay which I said [TS]

  this is I didn't say the word crap but I [TS]

  basically said this is just a badly [TS]

  written book that should be forgotten I [TS]

  don't know who Edith Wharton is I don't [TS]

  know she had a career before that or [TS]

  after that but I want no part of her guy [TS]

  said good day sir [TS]

  well to be fair uh full credit award me [TS]

  the eighth and from wikipedia page [TS]

  number one on google sparknotes number [TS]

  two [TS]

  Nick so not quite as bad but again a [TS]

  sign of assigned reading you Andy [TS]

  it's funny I haven't read ethan frome [TS]

  but I've read some early American [TS]

  literature it's [TS]

  not with me this 1911 yeah this is a [TS]

  little more reason but it's uh I took an [TS]

  American classic English class I was a [TS]

  little minor in college and read a lot [TS]

  of early and and and modern English Lit [TS]

  at but american lit which obviously [TS]

  doesn't go as far back when I was a [TS]

  rough class realize it took a long time [TS]

  for American literature to kind of [TS]

  figure out what I wanted to be and uh [TS]

  you know even from home for instance [TS]

  good yeah yeah [TS]

  no seriously I i never read ethan frome [TS]

  but I did see the movie of the age of [TS]

  innocence and I hated that so I also [TS]

  give a thumbs down saying you in [TS]

  solidarity alright [TS]

  solid i'll I i enjoy where this is going [TS]

  this is like you just like our hands on [TS]

  our English teacher is happening at this [TS]

  is great Erica what you haven't heard [TS]

  back yet this is beautiful this is [TS]

  working out i'm going to get back a [TS]

  little farther and we speaking in my own [TS]

  life i'm going back to fifth grade [TS]

  wow that was yeah that was when they [TS]

  started assigning actual full books now [TS]

  they weren't super long novels like I [TS]

  assume ethan frome was but we had to [TS]

  wear a little book called or we had to [TS]

  read a little book called where the red [TS]

  fern grows they don't know if you guys [TS]

  were subjected to this but yeah it's [TS]

  it's a story that takes place was [TS]

  written in the sixties takes place in [TS]

  the Ozarks pot a little boy whose [TS]

  training his his two dogs two to go coon [TS]

  huntin yeah it's just there's this one [TS]

  scene in the book that I will always [TS]

  remember where his dad's he needs to [TS]

  catch a raccoon so that he can use the [TS]

  pail to train the dogs to go hunting and [TS]

  the way that they do that is they make a [TS]

  hole in a log and they put something [TS]

  shiny at the bottom of it and then found [TS]

  a bunch of of nails in so that they're [TS]

  basically spike sticking out in this [TS]

  whole so the raccoon comes up poor [TS]

  little guy reaches down into the hole to [TS]

  get the shiny thing grabs onto it and [TS]

  then when he makes a fist he can't pull [TS]

  his poor little pop back out because of [TS]

  all these nails and apparently raccoons [TS]

  don't like to let go once they grab [TS]

  something shiny [TS]

  I guess I can understand that around so [TS]

  you can they clubbed to death and it [TS]

  gets to use and is yeah and then of [TS]

  course the dogs die at the end of the [TS]

  book and it was just I hated it from [TS]

  beginning to end [TS]

  there's nothing good about that book [TS]

  I haven't read this either i'm feeling [TS]

  very good very good about my my uh my [TS]

  literary background and not having read [TS]

  these with whether it's from Blue Rose [TS]

  interestingly enough the sparknotes [TS]

  fifth in the google search for winter [TS]

  without maybe because it's not being [TS]

  used as much anymore because people have [TS]

  come to recognize that it's maybe not [TS]

  the nicest thing for 5th graders to be [TS]

  reading just guess [TS]

  yeah okay that's good that's good i I'm [TS]

  gonna go so i'm going to go to college [TS]

  for this one because this is my number 1 [TS]

  i've got another one reserved for later [TS]

  but my number-one disliked book that was [TS]

  assigned to me in my last quarter of my [TS]

  five quarter long humanities course that [TS]

  everybody in my college had to take and [TS]

  I did really well in those classes i [TS]

  love them and then we got to the last [TS]

  quarter and I didn't like the professor [TS]

  and I didn't like the assigned reading [TS]

  most specifically gustave flaubert his [TS]

  debut novel you know what you love it [TS]

  you can't live without her [TS]

  Madame Bovary that went to buy your [TS]

  groans from people who read Madame [TS]

  Bovary we read it in French class [TS]

  I'm so I'm so sorry oh I'm so because [TS]

  it's bad it's bad many language folks it [TS]

  is [TS]

  yeah so Madame Bovary has affairs you [TS]

  can because of anhui all the ennui on we [TS]

  the the set and it is endless and again [TS]

  I don't know and it's a short book it is [TS]

  like after dark i guess it's just gonna [TS]

  be us say it was another book there's [TS]

  another one let's do it again [TS]

  you can start this man for making me [TS]

  read that yeah 3 hours 3 hours and then [TS]

  Madame Bovary yeah and again I had the [TS]

  cultural context the the end of the [TS]

  period in France when it's written and [TS]

  perhaps one must only truly be French [TS]

  and reading in French to understand but [TS]

  to me it just was this it's it was just [TS]

  it was just show so bad and everybody is [TS]

  awful and then we be but the the events [TS]

  that occur throughout our kind of staged [TS]

  and then and then she ends up having [TS]

  affairs this is what i'm saying is like [TS]

  it's like oh yes we I'm shocked that [TS]

  this is happening again i hate i hate [TS]

  Madame Bovary like the character and the [TS]

  book so that I could never I could never [TS]

  be 4i can picture that English professor [TS]

  talking about Madame Bovary tells us [TS]

  that there are the man she had one hell [TS]

  of a pickle dish [TS]

  well she was a very popular lady Madame [TS]

  Bovary and yeah I think flower bear just [TS]

  not it's not my kinda my kind of writer [TS]

  but I I yeah just a random French lady [TS]

  going around having affairs in the chat [TS]

  room we have a French person to confirm [TS]

  for us that it's horrible [TS]

  haha that's wonderful [TS]

  okay that's one round down this is the [TS]

  best podcast ever by the way just [TS]

  letting it as my gosh merapi we're all [TS]

  looking to get about because game since [TS]

  this is an episode about things that I [TS]

  like and hate i want to tell you about [TS]

  something I hate and something i like [TS]

  something from my past that I hate in [TS]

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  taking david i can i can do both in one [TS]

  okay [TS]

  oh my I can't because at the time now [TS]

  now my mother as part of part of her you [TS]

  know many hats in her life she taught [TS]

  English in high school middle school for [TS]

  like two years and and she once said [TS]

  that seventh and eighth graders are [TS]

  horrible and now that I'm the parent of [TS]

  a seventh-grader she was right and [TS]

  either but she was very patient she [TS]

  taught english so so i would bring home [TS]

  these books and I would slag on [TS]

  them and and she be like yeah that one [TS]

  sucks don't know [TS]

  here I'll help you get through that one [TS]

  because you shouldn't have to read that [TS]

  and and various things like that and now [TS]

  going back to French class before we [TS]

  read Madame Bovary we read the little [TS]

  prince by Antoine de saint-exupĂ©ry and [TS]

  now we're ready to infringe and I don't [TS]

  know I just maybe I wasn't ready for it [TS]

  at that point I hate it and I didn't [TS]

  want to read it I didn't want to get [TS]

  through it and I came home and she said [TS]

  what are you doing in class and we're [TS]

  doing a little prince i cannot stand it [TS]

  and she just looked at me and she said [TS]

  no you are reading the little prince [TS]

  so but but I don't and but and and you [TS]

  know I slogged through it and survived [TS]

  flashforward all these years later my [TS]

  oldest son is I don't know three or four [TS]

  he picks it up and he goes what is this [TS]

  and he wanted me to read it to him and [TS]

  as I'm reading it to him and I'm kind of [TS]

  gritting my teeth at the beginning is [TS]

  like a little prince are fine [TS]

  draw me a sheep draw me a sheep draw me [TS]

  a hat you know all the different things [TS]

  in the book and as i as i was reading it [TS]

  I'm I'm falling in love with it and so [TS]

  so it's one of the few books and in my [TS]

  school career where I wind up falling in [TS]

  love with it [TS]

  decades later and now i love it i right [TS]

  tell people to read it maybe I need to [TS]

  have kids or something because I really [TS]

  didn't like that but i don't know i [TS]

  don't know everybody's gonna do it it it [TS]

  it helps having having been through a [TS]

  little bit of life i don't think it's [TS]

  really a book that that is aimed at [TS]

  eight kids I think it's a book where you [TS]

  need to have lived a little bit and you [TS]

  need to have a little weathering on you [TS]

  and and even even get to have letter [TS]

  creative life because it is about [TS]

  writing and drawing and and building and [TS]

  it hit me in a completely different way [TS]

  after 20 years so yeah i can i can see [TS]

  that cuz i get my memories of it are are [TS]

  somewhat faint but but I completely [TS]

  agree that it's the kind of thing that i [TS]

  think i would get more [TS]

  of now if I were to to read it as [TS]

  opposed to them [TS]

  yeah-hoo-hoo decides these books and [TS]

  decides that these are good for children [TS]

  as opposed to adults if you like the [TS]

  decision-making processes maybe a little [TS]

  iffy but Jason did you tell us where [TS]

  Madame Bovary and then this little [TS]

  yesterday music search all i didn't i [TS]

  didn't sorry i've been asleep i might [TS]

  hinder hooks ok mathis mount Bovary [TS]

  you'll be happy to know i finished [TS]

  second I its wikipedia first sparknotes [TS]

  second so it's right it's right there [TS]

  and I I'm knot no spark notes is done a [TS]

  really good job by the way I should save [TS]

  search engine optimization they think [TS]

  they they pop up above cliff notes and [TS]

  above a snoop which is apparently any [TS]

  another summary sites moop this episode [TS]

  is not brought to you by shmoop but [TS]

  there are days for by sparknotes but it [TS]

  is available so the little prince and I [TS]

  haven't searched that one so let's do [TS]

  that right now the little prince will be [TS]

  official little prince web site comes up [TS]

  first [TS]

  of course then wikipedia than amazon and [TS]

  then sparknotes so it's not before it [TS]

  gets a four score a little bit lower i [TS]

  think they're doing a new movie version [TS]

  of it or something to probably the movie [TS]

  musical version of it is lovely i [TS]

  remember watching some some weird [TS]

  version of it when I was a child and I [TS]

  hated that almost as much as the book i [TS]

  wonder if the active assigning something [TS]

  ruins thanks for it does it does just [TS]

  you you read it was a sign you were [TS]

  cited you hate it when you came back to [TS]

  it later and then then you liked it i'm [TS]

  watching it with my own son who loved [TS]

  reading until he started getting [TS]

  assigned actual books and now it's [TS]

  pulling teeth because they forced him to [TS]

  read stuff [TS]

  yeah I said we're doing a Pakistani said [TS]

  when he went to what's the topic when I [TS]

  said well it'sit's books of your [TS]

  assigned books that we hated from school [TS]

  and those Gary Paulson's hatchet [TS]

  I hate hatch they'll do that to my list [TS]

  so you just bumped for me is yeah I will [TS]

  I will [TS]

  ok I'm not supervised on sparknotes [TS]

  catches awful awful books that they have [TS]

  to read and you [TS]

  I mean I i did that in seventh grade [TS]

  myself with I can't even remember the [TS]

  name of the book but it's it said during [TS]

  the French and Indian War and Fort [TS]

  Ticonderoga and I could not stand it and [TS]

  then we read caddie Woodlawn which is [TS]

  you know kind of a poor man's Little [TS]

  House on the Prairie which oh wow I mean [TS]

  I hated Little House on the Prairie but [TS]

  at least give me the real one [TS]

  you know Andy what do you have what do [TS]

  you have next major hate flow through [TS]

  you [TS]

  I I think he touched on something [TS]

  earlier that sometimes it's a perfectly [TS]

  good book but it's the way that's being [TS]

  talked to you that ever that that there [TS]

  are the context is basically imagine [TS]

  that there's something that's really [TS]

  delicious plate of vegetables but for [TS]

  being presented you as you're 30 years [TS]

  old [TS]

  here is a plate of really healthy [TS]

  vegetables they're really good for you [TS]

  and that just makes you want to say well [TS]

  i'm not gonna try this biscuit you're [TS]

  lying to me this is terrible and for me [TS]

  one of those books was Kafka's [TS]

  metamorphosis then haha i've read I've [TS]

  read much later after realizing that [TS]

  will look this doesn't sound like a bad [TS]

  book I should maybe i'm just maybe I was [TS]

  just like sort of you know gritty like [TS]

  teen is rebelling and I think the reason [TS]

  why I didn't lie i remembers singularly [TS]

  not enjoying the process of having to [TS]

  read this book and discussed in class [TS]

  and looking back on it I think the [TS]

  reason why was because this is a real [TS]

  corker of a horror story just to the [TS]

  brilliantly written taught you really [TS]

  get to see it doesn't get it doesn't [TS]

  focus on the physicality of what's [TS]

  happening with it but instead about the [TS]

  emotions of what's happening in the [TS]

  metamorphoses not only of physical body [TS]

  but of attitude when were you [TS]

  someone's body changes that way and [TS]

  what's the relationship was the actual [TS]

  relationship between this the center [TS]

  person in the story and all the family [TS]

  around them and this is a great i get a [TS]

  cracking horror story and I think the [TS]

  reason why I rebelled was because we [TS]

  weren't allowed to simply read it and be [TS]

  scared and enjoy it [TS]

  and just because the creek that I think [TS]

  the worse than the more worse of a creep [TS]

  out then being transformed into a giant [TS]

  cockroach is realized that oh well now [TS]

  everybody's going to abandon you and now [TS]

  treat you as something less than human [TS]

  that doesn't matter how much what [TS]

  relationship you have them beforehand [TS]

  how much you did for them either they [TS]

  will absolutely turn on US citizens [TS]

  inconvenient soon as your inconvenient [TS]

  to them and instead we really we have [TS]

  learned about Kafka's world and what [TS]

  sort of statement he was trying to make [TS]

  about the society that he lived in and [TS]

  what let's all find up the well with the [TS]

  Gregor Samsa job was this so what what [TS]

  kind of job with that have been [TS]

  ingrained in Kafka's time and I can't be [TS]

  just like be scraped out by really good [TS]

  creepy story and save it was not the [TS]

  state i have to realize realize in [TS]

  retrospect it wasn't the story I didn't [TS]

  like it was the experience of being [TS]

  taught that story because i've read it [TS]

  since and I've enjoyed it a lot and i'm [TS]

  wishing that I was a little I'm i don't [TS]

  remember exactly how snotty i was about [TS]

  this book but I have memories in high [TS]

  school of basically a kind of like with [TS]

  ethan frome that's the second book in [TS]

  high school where I was just not having [TS]

  it [TS]

  I do that I think you know when you're [TS]

  reading a book that's assigned I you're [TS]

  you're okay so i would work we're on the [TS]

  uncomfortable podcast here a lot of what [TS]

  we consume as media is assigned in the [TS]

  set your sights and God cast right and [TS]

  it is different when you're just sitting [TS]

  back and enjoying something versus very [TS]

  saying like what am I going to get out [TS]

  of this even if it's something that you [TS]

  love and you've seen a million times [TS]

  like I'm going to take notes i'm going [TS]

  to pay attention to this and when you're [TS]

  reading a book let anybody talk about [TS]

  the metamorphosis sanity if you're if [TS]

  you're saying alright I gotta glean from [TS]

  this I gotta get some stuff out of this [TS]

  i got my highlighter pen write verses [TS]

  like I'm just going to read the story [TS]

  and enjoy it and and maybe enjoy it more [TS]

  but be able to say less about it and [TS]

  then that that can change how you [TS]

  interact with a work not knowing knowing [TS]

  that in a day or two you're going to be [TS]

  forced to defend your reading of this [TS]

  book you're not gonna be able to simply [TS]

  say I liked it or I didn't like it [TS]

  you're gonna have to say in [TS]

  five paragraphs in order in great amount [TS]

  of structure i feel as though the path [TS]

  that this character took was very very [TS]

  meandering and here are the three [TS]

  reasons why I felt that was that way [TS]

  when when we read for pleasure or watch [TS]

  TV or movies for pleasure it is [TS]

  sufficient for us to say I just really [TS]

  didn't like it or boy did I love this [TS]

  and when you're talking to friends maybe [TS]

  you can have a really entertaining [TS]

  conversation about what each of you [TS]

  liked or didn't like but at no point is [TS]

  there somebody in like you know a white [TS]

  and black striped shirt like blowing a [TS]

  whistle and giving you points on how [TS]

  well you've been discussing this book [TS]

  yeah we did that show up on the googles [TS]

  oh god the metamorphosis google result [TS]

  the metamorphosis number two is the [TS]

  sparknotes shmoop at three [TS]

  good job creation and project gutenberg [TS]

  because that is a a public domain demand [TS]

  is fourth so that's good [TS]

  I mean density that's something i was [TS]

  able to read at the time just for kicks [TS]

  yeah i also just remember that at the [TS]

  time i was reading a lot of Ray Bradbury [TS]

  and one of Madison and so maybe that was [TS]

  also affecting look I'm i could see this [TS]

  as being in that same category as both [TS]

  of those riders so I'm like why are we [TS]

  just not enjoying this this is supposed [TS]

  to be enjoyable so I had metamorphosis [TS]

  assigned to me i want to say my [TS]

  sophomore year of college might have [TS]

  been a freshman year but I are i [TS]

  remember reading that in college and I [TS]

  liked it and I remember I remember and [TS]

  it has that opposite effect which will [TS]

  get two and we talk about some things we [TS]

  like of of oh I actually like the [TS]

  assigned reading think that is very nice [TS]

  of course i would be remiss if I didn't [TS]

  mention that this is also one of the [TS]

  funniest jokes i find in mel brooks's [TS]

  movie The Producers yes the original [TS]

  where one of the script was reading [TS]

  Gregor Samsa awoke to find have been [TS]

  transformed and thought giant cockroach [TS]

  nah no good so I've admitted in this [TS]

  episode that I don't like Madame Bovary [TS]

  let me tell you about something else I [TS]

  don't like spam [TS]

  I hate it I hate email spam but you know [TS]

  what it's not a problem anymore just as [TS]

  I left Madame Bovary behind me and it's [TS]

  just a [TS]

  an unpleasant mess memory from the past [TS]

  spam also an unpleasant memory from the [TS]

  past that I don't need to relive and [TS]

  that's because of our sponsor mail route [TS]

  mail route is a service that sits [TS]

  between my mail server and the big bad [TS]

  internet and it intercepts spam and [TS]

  viruses and bounced email before they [TS]

  get to me there's nothing for me to set [TS]

  up the hardware and software all i have [TS]

  to do is point my domains MX record [TS]

  which is the code that says where's all [TS]

  the email to this domain go and it [TS]

  pointed mail route mail route takes one [TS]

  for the team mail route takes in all the [TS]

  bad male that's coming over the internet [TS]

  it uses its really intelligent software [TS]

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  their support of the incomparable Erica [TS]

  do you have a weaving sort of like a [TS]

  hate-hate it's a transformed in this [TS]

  round but you don't have to follow that [TS]

  i don't i don't know that i have [TS]

  anything that i hated this got [TS]

  transformed I'm afraid that are not if I [TS]

  hated it I didn't bother to spend time [TS]

  going back [TS]

  it's just i will i'll yeah works but i [TS]

  will point out one other reason that the [TS]

  assigned reading can be kind of a killer [TS]

  just right off the bat and that's for [TS]

  for kids like me who I was just I was a [TS]

  huge reader from the time that you know [TS]

  before kindergarten when I was figuring [TS]

  out how to do it so when I got to the [TS]

  point where [TS]

  suddenly we were being assigned books [TS]

  that was taking away reading time from [TS]

  the stuff i wanted to reno so fucking [TS]

  wet high school road and his enters [TS]

  probably simpler stuff than you were [TS]

  reading and my son my son goes through [TS]

  that my son has a voracious reader and [TS]

  yet [TS]

  and then he complains about assigned [TS]

  reading and it's like dude you're being [TS]

  assigned reading it's your favorite [TS]

  thing and these books that you're being [TS]

  a sign our books that are the kind you [TS]

  should like and yet he's like I'm and [TS]

  it's taking time away from my books I [TS]

  want to read over here and talk exactly [TS]

  i had my stack of science fiction and [TS]

  fantasy books that you know I at that [TS]

  time i was reading The Lord of the Rings [TS]

  every single year and you know it [TS]

  I wanted to be able to keep doing that [TS]

  means getting more difficult because I [TS]

  ended up having to read crap like great [TS]

  expectations which I still is still just [TS]

  want to shake my fist at that look and [TS]

  the movie which we had to watch in [TS]

  school and yeah but I just I wanted Miss [TS]

  Havisham to just burn to death on you [TS]

  know page one and it was great this like [TS]

  it's it's the same things like they did [TS]

  Romeo and Juliet and they decided that [TS]

  they will steal the show us the movie [TS]

  because it's like this is almost like [TS]

  being at school but not this is [TS]

  wonderful but you got to see boobs [TS]

  that's right night raid that yeah we [TS]

  love the name grain honors honors math [TS]

  grade who [TS]

  yes yes only the honors kids can see [TS]

  boobs on a civilian Shakespeare's they [TS]

  were bosoms not breasts I i think the [TS]

  teacher actually took all the boobs but [TS]

  it was honors so you know it was obvious [TS]

  that it's all it's all for science [TS]

  really is great expectations your choice [TS]

  by the way or it is that where there's [TS]

  one number two and Google is the [TS]

  sparknotes for great so we that that's [TS]

  up there although a separate a separate [TS]

  piece is our champion right now I think [TS]

  Sandra's item in that somebody president [TS]

  I i kinda like great expectation when [TS]

  did you when did you read it was great [TS]

  was that for you i'm going to say my [TS]

  senior year of high school [TS]

  ya see that was later I might have liked [TS]

  it better later this was ninth grade [TS]

  yeah also i'm a i'm a i'm a i'm a fast [TS]

  reader which is good with dickens [TS]

  because he's got a lot of words don't [TS]

  know so many we got paid so I them so [TS]

  yeah well that's what i wanted to about [TS]

  Dickens I I don't love it i think i [TS]

  think it goes down easy [TS]

  I i think his style is is kind of [TS]

  entertaining and breezy but it is so [TS]

  circuitous and at at several points and [TS]

  reading get great expectations I was [TS]

  like hey wait a minute [TS]

  like what it what you tryin to say like [TS]

  I even even as a high schooler I I kind [TS]

  of couldn't buy all the coincidences and [TS]

  things that would happen in these in [TS]

  these books but it was for me it was [TS]

  easy to read so I I you know I it was [TS]

  not a battle like some assigned reading [TS]

  to read it it's not politically even [TS]

  though I didn't you know I didn't love [TS]

  it I thought it was you know it was fine [TS]

  i think for me the problem with it and [TS]

  many of these other books that I hated [TS]

  so much was I when i'm consuming any [TS]

  kind of media whether it be a book or [TS]

  movie or TV show i like to have somebody [TS]

  to root for and I just didn't like [TS]

  anybody in a lot of these books whether [TS]

  it was because their life was so vastly [TS]

  different from mine and a character [TS]

  wasn't written well enough to to be able [TS]

  to convey any of the emotion that will [TS]

  connect me to that that person or if it [TS]

  was just because they were you know kind [TS]

  of useless and making lots of poor [TS]

  choices like paper and great [TS]

  expectations so I think I was smarter [TS]

  than some of the characters i was [TS]

  reading in that I also important update [TS]

  from the chatroom AF Waller tells the [TS]

  story that they not only did they see [TS]

  the scene with Romeo and Juliet with [TS]

  boobs they saw it twice by lying to the [TS]

  teacher about where they left off work [TS]

  and waller comes up [TS]

  okay i'm gonna i'm gonna pick something [TS]

  and this is this gonna be love a love [TS]

  hate story of a different sort one of my [TS]

  assigned readings in i'm going to say my [TS]

  junior in high school was the Red Badge [TS]

  of Courage by Stephen Crane yes which is [TS]

  a a civil war tail and i believe the [TS]

  lines I I don't think this is actually [TS]

  the book i think we summarize the style [TS]

  of the book by by saying the youth ran [TS]

  hither and thither because there was a [TS]

  lot of running hitter and [TS]

  there and it was always featuring the [TS]

  youth I did not like the Red Badge of [TS]

  Courage I thought it was weirdly written [TS]

  it's short it's got that going for it [TS]

  but but as a as a civil war tail I [TS]

  didn't connect to it i thought his style [TS]

  was really annoying my love story here [TS]

  is that I really kind of love stephen [TS]

  crane's poetry and i'm not a big poetry [TS]

  person but i found a book of stephen [TS]

  crane's poetry and it's great it's dark [TS]

  and weird and mostly doesn't rhyme all [TS]

  these things work for me when it comes [TS]

  to poetry i really like it a lot but Red [TS]

  Badge of Courage bug it's just I I feel [TS]

  like it was assigned because it's like [TS]

  well it's simple its American literature [TS]

  its civil war [TS]

  alright well we'll just assign revenge [TS]

  courage it fits checks on the boxes like [TS]

  yeah but it's really not very good [TS]

  it's I I mean I appreciate that it's a [TS]

  historical you know it's from somebody [TS]

  in the period writing about it but no no [TS]

  it's not good but and yellow stephen [TS]

  crane's poetry so that's my love my love [TS]

  him there were other there were other [TS]

  kids in my high school who had to read [TS]

  that because like I depending on the [TS]

  teacher but I I was not in a class that [TS]

  had to read that so I feel like I dodged [TS]

  a civil war bullet and the hidden chat [TS]

  room by the way is is celebrating now [TS]

  because I i have i have nailed his is a [TS]

  least favorite book of all time with the [TS]

  Red Badge of Courage so if I did that [TS]

  one for you [TS]

  i I II and III the youth friend Heather [TS]

  Heather and the other hitter in the [TS]

  other there's so much the ring and hit [TS]

  me in that book it is just visiting and [TS]

  deterring ya know we are our high school [TS]

  the the english and history worked [TS]

  hand-in-hand because it was an open [TS]

  space a design of a school so we had [TS]

  these giant open areas and you would [TS]

  have three classes in the same general [TS]

  area no walls and you'd have your [TS]

  english and history period smashed [TS]

  together so sometimes you could do a [TS]

  giant group to period thing or you can [TS]

  just have your separate classes you know [TS]

  just depending on what was that week and [TS]

  so all of the books were you know tied [TS]

  to whatever we were doing in history [TS]

  oh yeah Red Badge of Courage presently [TS]

  men were running hither and thither and [TS]

  always be all the artillery booming [TS]

  forward rearward and on the flanks made [TS]

  jumble of ideas of direction i'm just [TS]

  looking for a hitter a better number two [TS]

  on google is sparknotes for Red Badge of [TS]

  Courage right after wikipedia says hi a [TS]

  high score of people who just want to [TS]

  know what the hell was in that book they [TS]

  don't want to read [TS]

  I think that's telling maybe go a little [TS]

  bit positive David you have something [TS]

  positive to say about assigned reading [TS]

  well I I'll do two at once ok there are [TS]

  only two books there are no rules here [TS]

  go ahead and i don't know let's let's [TS]

  just say you know because because our [TS]

  high school was a seven through 12 1 so [TS]

  in six years there were two books that i [TS]

  liked right off the bat and and [TS]

  surprised me [TS]

  one was to kill a mockingbird uh-huh [TS]

  the other was the great gatsby this is [TS]

  SB this is a book that with my wife and [TS]

  I have you know she hates it she hates [TS]

  everything about it she hates ok give [TS]

  you a wife a fist bump for me this time [TS]

  and also I don't like the story but i [TS]

  but i like his writing I like yeah I [TS]

  like some of his other stories better i [TS]

  love the Pat hobby stories about life in [TS]

  Hollywood [TS]

  I i went on a Fitzgerald bender after [TS]

  reading the great gatsby that Fitzgerald [TS]

  bender could also mean an actual bender [TS]

  but that you would be good name to move [TS]

  its to Fitzgerald bender i love getting [TS]

  babies and ghastly was on my list of [TS]

  ones that I was gonna I was going to [TS]

  bring up as a as as something that I [TS]

  liked III and yes you there is there is [TS]

  that aspect of the symbolism right over [TS]

  the eyes the eyes is teaching you know [TS]

  but but it means he's his style is great [TS]

  i really appreciated the pro-style of ya [TS]

  Fitzgerald and Gatsby and it was one of [TS]

  those moments of like I'm actually [TS]

  enjoying reading the assigned reading [TS]

  what is happening exactly [TS]

  absolutely absolutely correct and this [TS]

  the story i don't i don't know how much [TS]

  I like it but I just remember this [TS]

  reading I did [TS]

  I didn't have to read that in school I [TS]

  bread it later but just the words though [TS]

  and the way he's putting this together [TS]

  and I felt like I felt funny just now to [TS]

  like do a google search and look at the [TS]

  let the the lead you talk about great [TS]

  first pages that's because probably the [TS]

  greatest last page ever all i really [TS]

  feel the need to redo 3 flat 3 [TS]

  paragraphs not even less for last 3 and [TS]

  as I SAT there brooding on the old [TS]

  unknown world I thought of Gatsby's [TS]

  wonder when he first picked up the green [TS]

  light at the end of Daisy's dock he had [TS]

  come a long way to this blue lon and the [TS]

  stream must have seemed so close that he [TS]

  could hardly fail to grasp but he did [TS]

  not know that was already behind him [TS]

  somewhere back in that vast obscurity [TS]

  beyond the city where the dark fields of [TS]

  the Republic rolled on under the night [TS]

  gets be believed in the green light the [TS]

  orgastic future that year after year [TS]

  recedes before us it eluded us then but [TS]

  that's no matter tomorrow we will run [TS]

  faster stretch out our arms farther and [TS]

  one fine morning so we beat on boats [TS]

  against the current borne back [TS]

  ceaselessly ceaselessly into the past [TS]

  and I can't think of many last pages i [TS]

  just re-read as haha i reread the great [TS]

  gatsby maybe once or twice a year [TS]

  because for those there maybe a dozen [TS]

  books that are just always on my iPad [TS]

  because of I'll have booked some new [TS]

  books i'm reading but I always maybe [TS]

  want to dip into an old one but i can't [TS]

  think without one where I just want to [TS]

  read that last couple pages over and [TS]

  over and over again it's intimate if [TS]

  you're a writer it is intimidating to [TS]

  see how good those words are wow i have [TS]

  i have gets beyond my my thumbs down [TS]

  list and hearing you read those [TS]

  paragraphs reminds me why beautiful like [TS]

  just it is not a stylet I mean it's just [TS]

  like you know some people like to talk [TS]

  just to hear the sound of their own [TS]

  voice I feel like he was writing just to [TS]

  hear the sound of his own words that is [TS]

  exactly what my wife said this morning [TS]

  alright she's like oh tell them i hated [TS]

  gets back okay what happened how many [TS]

  times have I have I read a [TS]

  science-fiction book where while my god [TS]

  that story is so intricate and the [TS]

  science is so clever [TS]

  but all my god put five words together [TS]

  that make any sort of music please just [TS]

  once this entire book and then the [TS]

  captain put paint on the ship but the [TS]

  pain was a different paint like oh for [TS]

  God's sake [TS]

  actually that's how I felt about doing [TS]

  love the story but I couldn't get past [TS]

  the press yeah can I can to do is I I so [TS]

  I like the pro style of Gatsby I totally [TS]

  I totally get where you're coming from [TS]

  but I Erica but I I do like it [TS]

  one of the things that I think struck me [TS]

  at reading gatsby assigned reading was [TS]

  the idea it i don't know who is the [TS]

  first book but it's solidified in me [TS]

  this and the fact that the narrator is [TS]

  not Gatsby and that were observing [TS]

  Gatsby and his and his story that really [TS]

  struck me as about understanding about [TS]

  perspective and seeing the the you know [TS]

  the i guess you could say most important [TS]

  character in the book is is seen from [TS]

  someone else's perspective i just i [TS]

  remember that really struck me at the [TS]

  time like oh you could do that you think [TS]

  that's a serious look at me just like [TS]

  they'll allow you to do that yeah I mean [TS]

  it's called the great gatsby but great [TS]

  there but the Great Gatsby himself is [TS]

  not the narrator there's a different guy [TS]

  who's a narrator is kind of like on the [TS]

  outside observing what's happening on a [TS]

  whoa oh you know it maybe maybe my [TS]

  biggest problem with it was just the [TS]

  fact that there were no wizards or [TS]

  dragons are spaceships or Reagan's [TS]

  helicopter that is true the is though [TS]

  the eyes it was almost called Trimalchio [TS]

  in West Egg which almost sounds like [TS]

  science fiction [TS]

  yeah that listed that would've well [TS]

  that's so bad [TS]

  ya know that cover could work for a [TS]

  bunch of science fiction stories though [TS]

  that's true that there was one of a [TS]

  handful of truly iconic book covers [TS]

  where you kind of can't publish this [TS]

  book without that cover so David did you [TS]

  turn you threw in to kill a mockingbird [TS]

  there is room to China which is I also [TS]

  really liked [TS]

  I you know I didn't want to read it was [TS]

  not something that was remotely [TS]

  interesting very few spaceships and that [TS]

  and you know but everyone i started i [TS]

  started skimming it because it's great [TS]

  need to be able to talk about in class [TS]

  and then I kept reading because the [TS]

  writing was so good and you know maybe [TS]

  it could have been shorter i often feel [TS]

  that but I man he was just I couldn't [TS]

  put it down once i started actually [TS]

  reading it and I went back and read the [TS]

  parts that i had skimmed because like [TS]

  RNA i missed stuff so maybe I didn't [TS]

  read it in the right order but oh so [TS]

  where does where do i gets be and and to [TS]

  kill a mockingbird show up on her or [TS]

  what is it what's that website again I'd [TS]

  forgotten the name of the weird one [TS]

  already [TS]

  snoop snoop choose before so we'll call [TS]

  this the segment Erica now this segment [TS]

  is called snoop watch [TS]

  let's go to watch out for the smooth [TS]

  much for your great gatsby great gatsby [TS]

  number three on sparknotes number three [TS]

  is spark notes on the associated with [TS]

  wade and we're sorry scoop no luck for [TS]

  you [TS]

  I think it speaks well of know you're [TS]

  smooth for yash before you kill a [TS]

  mockingbird let's see where it ranks to [TS]

  kill a mockingbird number two number two [TS]

  Spartans a little a little harder to get [TS]

  through i guess the Gatsby that's it is [TS]

  longer totally scientific this this what [TS]

  we're doing here totally scientific he [TS]

  did you have a thing you would like to [TS]

  speak positively of that wasn't yeah I [TS]

  had to picked out of that for all these [TS]

  I really assiduously tried not to do a [TS]

  web search for what kind of books tend [TS]

  to be assigned in English class i can't [TS]

  remember stuff and I was i decided to [TS]

  keep quiet when erica was picking great [TS]

  expectations because a great [TS]

  expectations is on my positive list i [TS]

  have so many so many positive memories [TS]

  of this book and one of the reasons why [TS]

  I like it so much was the way that it [TS]

  had been written that this is designed [TS]

  to be episodic to try to get cheated by [TS]

  the next installment of this which kind [TS]

  of prevents an author from getting into [TS]

  the wait a minute i need to go back to [TS]

  chapter one and described the Rope again [TS]

  because i do I don't think they'll get [TS]

  their next when I say the word rope [TS]

  I actually mean dreams it'sit's [TS]

  but more than that but more than that [TS]

  let me tell you something about really [TS]

  great writing every time I'm like at a [TS]

  friend's house or I'm and i hope to bury [TS]

  a man hotel and the the soap that they [TS]

  give you is like heavily perfumed every [TS]

  single time I'm washing my hands and [TS]

  this perfume from the soap it's my face [TS]

  i always think of that scene from great [TS]

  expectations where Mr Jagger's the [TS]

  lawyer washing his hands every time he [TS]

  sees a client specifically with perfume [TS]

  so because it is such an evocative way [TS]

  that he described this the scenes within [TS]

  miss havesham's house with the moldering [TS]

  wedding cake on the table still set for [TS]

  her wedding party [TS]

  I just have such a crystal-clear image [TS]

  of what that place looked like and I'd [TS]

  have to it's actually been a number of [TS]

  years since the last time I read it I [TS]

  did read it once or twice since 10th [TS]

  grade or ninth grade wherever whenever I [TS]

  was supposed to read it but there it I'd [TS]

  just remember all of these evocative [TS]

  scenes that just got me so engrossed in [TS]

  this story that got me to the next one [TS]

  the next one that I just remember being [TS]

  a really pleasant experience it for a [TS]

  long it was a long book for for high [TS]

  school but I just remember just being a [TS]

  book that I quickly found myself reading [TS]

  just for pleasure just on that stack of [TS]

  books on my nightstand [TS]

  yes the I I couldn't get through Dickens [TS]

  I I kept trying and trying because it [TS]

  there I i was interested in a girl who [TS]

  loved Charles Dickens and you know and [TS]

  especially christmas carol i hated [TS]

  Christmas care [TS]

  oh yeah we're so up we were so upset [TS]

  that well no wait wait wait wait I hated [TS]

  it at the time it wasn't until Patrick [TS]

  Stewart's one man christmas carol that [TS]

  suddenly it came alive for me and I and [TS]

  and I really enjoy it because he does it [TS]

  straight from the text is it's not an [TS]

  adaptation it's not well actually [TS]

  actually it is he do have to prove that [TS]

  the game has ever hurt them [TS]

  it's trimmed but it's but he's not [TS]

  changing the words of the dialogue [TS]

  raining that all of the words are [TS]

  Dickens's words and if it was just [TS]

  lovely and i went back and read it with [TS]

  his voice in my head [TS]

  and and it was lovely and then I went [TS]

  back and said all right well maybe I'll [TS]

  try something that I still can't get [TS]

  through them but you're right hey we [TS]

  don't have to wait that's it we're not [TS]

  seeking a record here we everybody has [TS]

  their own views i think it's interesting [TS]

  when somebody like something that [TS]

  somebody else doesn't like because then [TS]

  we know why i was assigned yeah that's [TS]

  true i like some of these where we are [TS]

  baffled Erica do you have a thing you [TS]

  wanted to say nice things about yes i [TS]

  have i have so many nice things to say [TS]

  about a book that was it was assigned to [TS]

  us in seventh grade and everybody else [TS]

  hated this book with a passion except [TS]

  for me and my friend Mike to people who [TS]

  had been reading geeky stuff for many [TS]

  years already and that is Ursula K Le [TS]

  Guin's a wizard of Earthsea yes I had [TS]

  died never heard of it before but when i [TS]

  came home with that my parents were like [TS]

  oh my god you're reading Ursula K Le [TS]

  Guin you have the best teacher ever [TS]

  and I was like okay well this gives me [TS]

  hope so I cracked it open and it was [TS]

  just this amazing story of a boy wizard [TS]

  going away to wizard school and getting [TS]

  into a duel with a fellow wizard where [TS]

  he accidentally sort of cracks open the [TS]

  fabric of reality and let the shadow out [TS]

  and then has to deal with the fact of [TS]

  this shadow being in the world for the [TS]

  rest of his life until he can figure out [TS]

  how to how to handle that and it was [TS]

  just so many things that were up my [TS]

  alley but written in I mean it was it [TS]

  was a book that was I don't know if it [TS]

  was exactly aimed at at kids but it was [TS]

  it was very simple but it wasn't written [TS]

  like a kids book that was written at the [TS]

  time that i was reading it because this [TS]

  thing was was from 1968 so so much much [TS]

  older but it was it was it was like [TS]

  written as a kids book that didn't talk [TS]

  down to us and I think that was the [TS]

  problem that a lot of the other kids in [TS]

  my school had because some of them were [TS]

  the brightest bulbs and they struggled [TS]

  but man i just got totally wrapped up in [TS]

  it i immediately went out and made my [TS]

  parents get me the rest of the books in [TS]

  the series and have read the multiple [TS]

  times since then so I say a huge thanks [TS]

  to my seventh grade English teacher [TS]

  whose name I've forgotten but thanks [TS]

  anyway lady shmoop check by the way [TS]

  shmoop wins on this one fourth is a [TS]

  schmoo play [TS]

  to visit the best investment nobody i'm [TS]

  saying that right in the ship moop it's [TS]

  probably scoop anyways moving on what [TS]

  are the other ones above shmoop though [TS]

  everything else and ok and wikipedia [TS]

  yeah I I always loved her work i went [TS]

  every year we got to pick one book and [TS]

  just you know read whatever we wanted [TS]

  and report on it and you know you the [TS]

  teachers would just sort of read it and [TS]

  go yeah he read the book a and one year [TS]

  I picked her book always coming home [TS]

  which if you don't know it it's [TS]

  wonderful it's it's like it's not [TS]

  exactly a novel it's like part novel [TS]

  part anthropological study of this [TS]

  culture that and I have to get the quote [TS]

  right might be going to have lived a [TS]

  long long time from now in Northern [TS]

  California and it's lovely because [TS]

  because it's it's a great act of world [TS]

  mad world building where it you know [TS]

  she's presenting the culture and the [TS]

  science and and you know how they [TS]

  evolved and how their their society and [TS]

  it was lovely and afterwards the teacher [TS]

  came back to me like three months later [TS]

  and said you know I picked that book up [TS]

  because it sounded really interesting [TS]

  that's really good i went on that I had [TS]

  never read that one but but after [TS]

  reading those books i went on just a [TS]

  tarot reading all of her books i could [TS]

  get my hands on [TS]

  luckily there were quite a few in my [TS]

  parents basement already so many easy [TS]

  and then I actually get to meet her she [TS]

  came and did our reading at a little [TS]

  cafe bar that friend my parents owned in [TS]

  the fort atkinson Wisconsin of all [TS]

  places and and she was just delightful [TS]

  and lovely and she signed her books and [TS]

  it was it was a very exciting time for [TS]

  me as a youngster very nice my I haven't [TS]

  read percy left hand of darkness was my [TS]

  look when that i read which I don't [TS]

  think was assigned I don't think so but [TS]

  it's possible it was I don't think I [TS]

  don't think so though they're doing an [TS]

  adaptation of that on BBC radio right [TS]

  now I'm going to throw out at all so [TS]

  this is in you knew this was going to [TS]

  happen these are the things that are [TS]

  like just close enough to the science [TS]

  fiction genre that you latch onto it you [TS]

  say nothing [TS]

  yes i like that yes i will read that [TS]

  slaughterhouse five [TS]

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  read a lot of vonnegut not all but a lot [TS]

  I enjoy slaughterhouse-five a great deal [TS]

  um I may be my favorite of we-we-we red [TS]

  cat's cradle to which I don't which I [TS]

  find a little off-putting [TS]

  yeah but slaughterhouse-five is is just [TS]

  so great and and let's be honest here [TS]

  every movie or TV writer and probably a [TS]

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  slaughterhouse five people for their I [TS]

  mean it'sit's lake and you either do [TS]

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  your unstuck in time episode that choice [TS]

  is a dickens you're gonna get you choose [TS]

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  well then you throw that in there and i [TS]

  was going to say you could also it could [TS]

  also be your um I the the Christmas [TS]

  genre starts with a christmas carol but [TS]

  it goes off to it's a wonderful life [TS]

  which is solved itself kind of a spin on [TS]

  the Christmas carols so anyway sorry has [TS]

  five so great it is about world war two [TS]

  it is about the firebombing of Dresden [TS]

  it is also about strange aliens from [TS]

  planet travel family door and there and [TS]

  they view time differently and billy [TS]

  pilgrim becomes unstuck in time and the [TS]

  book is told in a in this kaleidoscopic [TS]

  time sequence which you know i guess [TS]

  i'll also put a Quentin Tarantino down [TS]

  on the list for like what we do the [TS]

  narrative anyway we can't we just picked [TS]

  up the times people figure it out maybe [TS]

  but it's but i really do i I you know it [TS]

  is i can appreciate this literature i [TS]

  can appreciate it as a great style and [TS]

  and also just as a really entertaining [TS]

  book entertaining ride so I like wanna [TS]

  get in general but that one in [TS]

  particular and there was that moment of [TS]

  like oh my god there's like time travel [TS]

  and aliens and stuff innocent and they [TS]

  made us read it what's the best how you [TS]

  you're lucky we didn't have to read any [TS]

  vonnegut although i was thinking about [TS]

  this when David was mentioning reading a [TS]

  book for fun to do but to also do a [TS]

  report on that he got to choose and I [TS]

  had a friend who had read breakfast of [TS]

  champions in ninth grade to do a book [TS]

  report on and he told me that it was by [TS]

  far the worst book he had ever read it [TS]

  was terrible and so of course I was like [TS]

  it can't be that bad I have to read this [TS]

  and see if it's terrible and I adored it [TS]

  was the first body that I had ever come [TS]

  across and then I have course went [TS]

  through and read i think most of the [TS]

  rest of his works at that time and i [TS]

  think i came to slaughterhouse-five a [TS]

  little bit late so I was kind of at the [TS]

  end of my intense love affair with his [TS]

  writing but it was it was good i think [TS]

  the sirens of titan was my favorite of [TS]

  all of them [TS]

  yeah we had we had slaughterhouse-five [TS]

  like you could you could go through the [TS]

  lingua Sharia zand and open up the [TS]

  cabinets and sea stacks of books and I [TS]

  had you know 1984 and slaughterhouse [TS]

  five and fahrenheit 451 and they never [TS]

  assigned any of them in the six years I [TS]

  was there and it drove me nuts because [TS]

  these are good [TS]

  come on yeah and I quite liked cats [TS]

  cradle i'm going to put it a thumbs up [TS]

  for that one my family actually listened [TS]

  to the audiobook version of that on the [TS]

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  Saroyan I I really reacted badly to the [TS]

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  yeah how'd you feel about our town i'm [TS]

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  college a couple years ago it was [TS]

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  we found the the sort of dark it's not [TS]

  it's not sweetheart for me the same way [TS]

  Serena Serena is just goop movement on [TS]

  and they made us read Siddhartha by [TS]

  Hermann Hesse which I hated so much I [TS]

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  yeah it's they're there they're well on [TS]

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  she stands for but i did enjoy reading [TS]

  the fountainhead it's it's Florida it's [TS]

  soap operatic she was brilliant in that [TS]

  she came up with a philosophy where no [TS]

  one was allowed to edit her [TS]

  so you know because that would be [TS]

  running counter to what the Creator was [TS]

  doing in the Creator is right but for [TS]

  all that it's you know it's a good [TS]

  potboiler if you just sort of ignore the [TS]

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  don't read Atlas Shrugged you know Two [TS]

  and then and then the the very last one [TS]

  in AP English never that was that was a [TS]

  nice one because we did we got a list of [TS]

  books and you got to pick any any book [TS]

  you want to read in any order and you [TS]

  only had to read five of them and it's [TS]

  alright yeah and you did a lot of [TS]

  one-on-one discussion with the teacher [TS]

  and so great and and I finally picked [TS]

  Graham Greene I'd never read any Graham [TS]

  Greene and you had a choice you could [TS]

  read The Third Man which in retrospect I [TS]

  should have read haha [TS]

  or you could read the power and the [TS]

  glory and I read the power and the glory [TS]

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  was outlawed in mexico mix [TS]

  was outlawed in mexico mix [TS]

  spain and and it's the last priest in [TS]

  the country on the run and people are [TS]

  hunting him to kill him and it is just I [TS]

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  couldn't get through it because it was [TS]

  changing me i was getting so into it was [TS]

  so beautifully written that and my [TS]

  mother finally said you have to stop [TS]

  reading that you have to put it down and [TS]

  I put I've never read the last I don't [TS]

  know 50 60 pages of it and I put it down [TS]

  and life was sunny again so that's [TS]

  that's my list that's your last okay [TS]

  fair enough [TS]

  Andy the only other one that was on my [TS]

  list [TS]

  I'm amazed that if I if when I set out [TS]

  to think of not just love books today [TS]

  was forced to read that I really liked [TS]

  and I really didn't like but how about [TS]

  all of them [TS]

  it was a short list of ones i could [TS]

  actually remember wasn't it would be you [TS]

  I was you would come up with well how [TS]

  about the tempest okay well yeah I did I [TS]

  think happened I had to read The Tempest [TS]

  to but man there's so few that would [TS]

  really stand out but the other one that [TS]

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  call of the wild for a couple of major [TS]

  reasons i thought the number one it was [TS]

  a great story well if there's nothing [TS]

  written about this that was designed as [TS]

  a great literature it was just designed [TS]

  to be a pot boiling thriller that [TS]

  because Jaclyn was Jack London he could [TS]

  only write from his own experience in [TS]

  his own mindset about the world and it [TS]

  just simply came out as this really [TS]

  interesting story about in which a dog [TS]

  is the lead character and I liked it so [TS]

  it stands out not only because I liked [TS]

  that book because I liked it so much [TS]

  that I had to read White Fang because i [TS]

  was like that was like the perfect [TS]

  sequel like if you're doing a movie [TS]

  sequel same old c's ok Jack [TS]

  congratulations our biggest summer [TS]

  biggest may opening and in Hollywood [TS]

  history 280 million dollars on a [TS]

  three-day weekend [TS]

  now I gonna follow it up and he's [TS]

  desperate uh well the fuck all the wild [TS]

  was about a domestic dog becomes while [TS]

  how about a wild dog that becomes [TS]

  domestic great go opposite right for us [TS]

  we need to start filling in six weeks [TS]

  and even that with it is an obvious the [TS]

  turn but it was a really really good [TS]

  story and then [TS]

  one of them had read the sea wolf and I [TS]

  want to bring about as much Jaclyn as i [TS]

  can get my hands on just amazing [TS]

  adventure stories that this is the [TS]

  attitude of a little kid like i can't [TS]

  believe that like people in 1910 1920 is [TS]

  actually were like knew how to write [TS]

  this look actually write fun books they [TS]

  they were all riding like these [TS]

  incredibly legend like little dramatic [TS]

  plays and passion plays like it was [TS]

  actually written like an Indiana Jones [TS]

  movie almost and so it it's it's aiight [TS]

  and that's another one of those series [TS]

  of books where I can just remember [TS]

  scenes just vividly playing out in my [TS]

  head as I was watching it as i was [TS]

  reading this I listen to me almost [TS]

  watching this book because he was just [TS]

  painting such deep deep pictures of [TS]

  worlds that I never even seen on [TS]

  television let alone you know about seen [TS]

  in a book so it's just you i think that [TS]

  your best experiences with books when [TS]

  you remember the emotional ride that you [TS]

  went through as you were reading or [TS]

  experiencing it and Jack London it [TS]

  really does deliver that for me [TS]

  yeah good great style from Jaclyn it's [TS]

  funny you say that the it's amazing that [TS]

  something this old could be this fun you [TS]

  know I think there's a tendency among [TS]

  people and including parents and [TS]

  teachers to think of the classics and [TS]

  have the classics mean something that [TS]

  does not necessarily mean that they're [TS]

  fun that and I think that's what I think [TS]

  that's fundamentally wrong i think there [TS]

  is that they're important they're good [TS]

  they're they're full of nutrients and [TS]

  minerals and vitamins and that's why [TS]

  we're going to teach my class and we we [TS]

  forget these were popped this was [TS]

  popular fiction at the time [TS]

  well and that and that some of the stuff [TS]

  that gets considered classic is like if [TS]

  it's fun it can't be classic and if it's [TS]

  classic that can't be fun and I think [TS]

  that's wrong [TS]

  my wife being a children's librarian [TS]

  there are there is a certain kind of [TS]

  parent who comes into the children's [TS]

  room and says I don't want my kids [TS]

  reading any of this modern popular fun [TS]

  stuff [TS]

  only the classics and when they ask the [TS]

  classics like there are lots of really [TS]

  fun great classic things like older [TS]

  things they don't mean that they mean I [TS]

  want to give my kids really dry terrible [TS]

  stuff that is going to lie [TS]

  you know sue their brands i want to read [TS]

  while they're listening to the the [TS]

  classical music because i'm going to [TS]

  turn them into some sort of genius and [TS]

  its end and it's misguided but i think [TS]

  that happens with assigned reading in [TS]

  general is is if it's if it's too much [TS]

  fun then we're not going to bother so [TS]

  when you hit on something that works [TS]

  with you and if anyone is still old and [TS]

  considered a classic you have a moment [TS]

  like oh I didn't know that I didn't know [TS]

  they could do fun things back then the [TS]

  answer is yeah they can they just don't [TS]

  show you any of the fun things because [TS]

  they want to be very serious and show [TS]

  you the serious things and sometimes I [TS]

  think the pose and that the fun things [TS]

  are classics to and and I think people [TS]

  just are reluctant to to assign fun [TS]

  ya know you look let's let's not read [TS]

  Jules for in here read sister Carrie by [TS]

  theodore dreiser yeah that's good that's [TS]

  that's intelligent I and you have [TS]

  anymore that you're at the jera hold [TS]

  onto uh the only the only half one was [TS]

  text for nothing but because i think but [TS]

  i think we were where we had to read [TS]

  waiting for waiting for godot and I was [TS]

  indifferent towards it and for some [TS]

  reason there was some sort of a book [TS]

  that was never mentioned this text for [TS]

  nothing that Beckett had also written [TS]

  and I wasn't assigned to read it so i [TS]

  don't i don't include but i do want to [TS]

  mention that it was just the most fun it [TS]

  was one of the earliest experiences of [TS]

  seeing something that had actually been [TS]

  marked as great literature that was also [TS]

  great fun to read because it's basically [TS]

  he wrote like one run on sentence that [TS]

  goes on for pages and pages and pages [TS]

  and it makes no sense until i remember [TS]

  being there in my bedroom just like [TS]

  saying try as I would sometimes do if I [TS]

  couldn't really scan a sentence like [TS]

  reading it aloud and of course it was [TS]

  designed to be performed that way and [TS]

  suddenly you realize that you're in the [TS]

  mindset of this person whose mind is [TS]

  completely racing and cannot focus on [TS]

  one thing and he doesn't know what he's [TS]

  talking about until he actually works [TS]

  out for himself so that that would sort [TS]

  of be a half [TS]

  half of the qualification for this but [TS]

  texts or nothing by samuel beckett was [TS]

  another thing i remember reading [TS]

  associated with school and really enjoy [TS]

  it [TS]

  yeah that's that's a lovely piece [TS]

  suddenly no no all once I couldn't I [TS]

  couldn't anymore i'd go through there's [TS]

  that there was a time when there was a [TS]

  time where i was actually kind of [TS]

  committed i want to see how much of this [TS]

  i can memorize because I just like the [TS]

  but I just like the idea of like pacing [TS]

  in my room suddenly know slowly but once [TS]

  I couldn't I just couldn't anymore and [TS]

  then sentence after sentence after [TS]

  sentence and then of course I started [TS]

  having other things to do with my time [TS]

  to memorize Beckett but you can't even [TS]

  imagine it [TS]

  yeah I waiting for godot drove me nuts [TS]

  and it wasn't until they read [TS]

  Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead [TS]

  which is basically waiting for godot in [TS]

  the middle of Hamlet yes and and then [TS]

  you know it's like well alright i prefer [TS]

  Rosencrantz but I so love the idea of [TS]

  Rhodes vs Rosencrantz and Guildenstern [TS]

  are dead it hooked me just how you know [TS]

  how like there's these two guys who had [TS]

  like one line [TS]

  how about an entire play based on them [TS]

  and i think was because i was also [TS]

  reading comic books at the time saying [TS]

  hey what's the story about these two [TS]

  guys [TS]

  great let's do a story about these two [TS]

  guys yeah Erica what do you have left [TS]

  I actually have quite a few because I [TS]

  sort of cheated right when i was first [TS]

  trying to think of about this I couldn't [TS]

  remember a whole lot so I went on [TS]

  facebook and you know just put out the [TS]

  call to anybody who went to my high [TS]

  school or elementary school to give me [TS]

  some help and actually I just most of [TS]

  the stuff they suggested were things [TS]

  that I hadn't tried because I different [TS]

  teachers but i'll start with a positive [TS]

  here so i'm actually in college this is [TS]

  when I did remember myself we read for [TS]

  comparative literature i read a hundred [TS]

  years of solitude which i loved i had [TS]

  never gotten so much out of a book [TS]

  before I think that was my first [TS]

  experience just sort of interacting with [TS]

  a text i'm on that sort of a cerebral [TS]

  level because before I just wanted to [TS]

  you know read about my spaceships and [TS]

  stuff so I was just angry so this one [TS]

  night that when I enjoyed another one [TS]

  then I like quite a bit was mythology by [TS]

  edith hamilton which was a very popular [TS]

  book about mythology it wasn't you know [TS]

  fictional except that you know myths are [TS]

  fictional [TS]

  I i had always been interested in Greek [TS]

  myths and stuff so so I quite like that [TS]

  one [TS]

  i also have a catcher in the rye on my [TS]

  my plus list not like a huge thumbs up [TS]

  but what I quite enjoyed it i really [TS]

  like about your catcher in the rye and [TS]

  somebody was saying in the chatroom you [TS]

  gotta admit it's really pandering to [TS]

  high school students like yeah it's true [TS]

  it's true but that is one of those [TS]

  things were stylistically it's like oh [TS]

  yeah this is like I i actually am [TS]

  enjoying reading this story what was [TS]

  happening in here something signed it [TS]

  very much it was a it was 12th grade my [TS]

  senior year when we gotta sign that one [TS]

  and it is sort of be no playing to my [TS]

  disaffected use we're like we're in a [TS]

  bunch of his short stories then to so [TS]

  about the glass family stuff and I like [TS]

  that stuff to get some that sounds yeah [TS]

  I'm okay with I like that much better [TS]

  than rai I I reacted badly to that one [TS]

  it's not a reuben if it doesn't come on [TS]

  ride David that's right i like you could [TS]

  not let sandwich is our topic tonight [TS]

  what else what else are sorry to [TS]

  interrupt i just wanted to put in my [TS]

  word for catching there either [TS]

  no that's quite right my very very [TS]

  favorite I didn't put down all of the [TS]

  Shakespeare rewrite because we're ready [TS]

  tone of Shakespeare and i genuinely [TS]

  liked it all but the one that I adored [TS]

  the most was in 11th grade we read [TS]

  Hamlet and my teacher really really [TS]

  loved Hamlet and just he managed to [TS]

  convey that love to me and we watched I [TS]

  think three different versions of it [TS]

  bits and pieces that I could see kevin [TS]

  kline as Hamlet which was really cool [TS]

  we watched some of the mel gibson [TS]

  version which i still hate and put my [TS]

  favorite which is still to this day my [TS]

  favorite was the BBC added the BBC [TS]

  version starring derek jacobi that's [TS]

  have wonderful yeah this date my [TS]

  favorite i mean i remember in college at [TS]

  one point I took it out from the library [TS]

  and it's like it's like five hours long [TS]

  and my roommate was like are you insane [TS]

  and it was like that yes I am [TS]

  uh-huh one one of the things i always [TS]

  loved about the the kenneth branagh [TS]

  hamlet is that he cast derek jacobi has [TS]

  Claudia's yes and and when you watch the [TS]

  movie they look so similar and when they [TS]

  finally do a statue of Hamlet's father [TS]

  he looks nothing like kenneth branagh [TS]

  and it's it's just this very subtle [TS]

  threat of maybe [TS]

  Richard and Claudia's retaining the [TS]

  whole time which is a really neat spin [TS]

  the throw on that story [TS]

  oh so you know I when that movie came [TS]

  out I was super excited because i [TS]

  already had an audio version of Hamlet [TS]

  with kenneth branagh as Hamlet yes Derek [TS]

  Jacobi as Claudius and I thought he's [TS]

  Claudius was better in the audio version [TS]

  than it was in the film so I was a [TS]

  little disappointed by that film it so [TS]

  everybody what are your feelings about [TS]

  the david tennant patrick stewart BBC [TS]

  you know what I still have not I still [TS]

  not seeing you all know it [TS]

  there's a part of me that just I'm [TS]

  scared because I love him so much and I [TS]

  will handle it's good so much but good [TS]

  and their security cameras which is neat [TS]

  there's nothing to be scared of yeah no [TS]

  it's ok it's good i'll put my boy you [TS]

  should watch that sometime [TS]

  one of my friends was on a sabbatical in [TS]

  the UK actually when that when that was [TS]

  going if you got to go see alive and I [TS]

  think there's also still a little bit of [TS]

  me that's better than I didn't get to [TS]

  come and see it life is a husband of a [TS]

  friend did the light log pad did the [TS]

  lighting for it so she had to meet take [TS]

  attendance it's uh huh [TS]

  since since you mentioned I Hamlet I'm [TS]

  gonna I'm gonna throw out there yet you [TS]

  have more i'm assuming i do so i did [TS]

  that was on the positive stuff okay i [TS]

  want to bookmark this just for just for [TS]

  a second before we come back to that i [TS]

  want to i want to say Shakespeare is [TS]

  interesting I I thought about talking [TS]

  about Shakespeare at various points here [TS]

  what I would say is I think it's really [TS]

  hard to teach Shakespeare because if you [TS]

  assign it as a reading [TS]

  I think it doesn't work I think you need [TS]

  to say it out loud you need to watch [TS]

  stagings or movies and you need to read [TS]

  it out loud and my all of my positive [TS]

  Shakespeare experiences in high school [TS]

  came from reading it out loud and all my [TS]

  negative Shakespeare experiences came [TS]

  from reading it silently in a book and [TS]

  so I i'd say i put Shakespeare in the [TS]

  good bad category it's like it's really [TS]

  great but you gotta read it out loud [TS]

  because a it does not you know II you [TS]

  can read after you've experienced that [TS]

  way you can read on the page and your [TS]

  reenacting and you can hear it but just [TS]

  starting with the reading it doesn't [TS]

  work [TS]

  okay Erica back in the day we're going [TS]

  negative [TS]

  out laying out there lately i'm on me [TS]

  and got it i did have three that i [TS]

  remembered that just sort of fell from [TS]

  Lee into the math camp like I couldn't [TS]

  put him in positive they want to put [TS]

  them in negative in those three are at [TS]

  the old man and the sea of mice and men [TS]

  and Huckleberry Finn [TS]

  yeah I didn't have a particularly strong [TS]

  feelings about any of them but I got [TS]

  through them without too much trouble [TS]

  himself [TS]

  I for me or I would tip of mice and men [TS]

  shit like almost to liking but it would [TS]

  be in the no category for me because I'd [TS]

  o.o why did why is everything so [TS]

  depressing [TS]

  why can't we we give us some joyful book [TS]

  sometimes ya out and then just have to [TS]

  finish off with the true negative the [TS]

  the last couple depressing ones i have I [TS]

  despise the scarlet letter [TS]

  I wasn't exactly yeah as a teenager I [TS]

  wasn't quite waving my feminist flag as [TS]

  high as i do these days but it still [TS]

  just it it made me so uncomfortable [TS]

  reading that it's going to it it's early [TS]

  American that's some of that early [TS]

  American literature not it's not good [TS]

  it is painful I think it is elevated [TS]

  because it is early American literature [TS]

  and that they don't have other examples [TS]

  from the period so they elevate it and [TS]

  it's not actually very good [TS]

  yeah 10th grade was American literature [TS]

  and i doubt hated that yeah that's right [TS]

  older you have a native american [TS]

  literature what are you gonna do it's [TS]

  like well ask a letter S yeah I hated [TS]

  the scarlet letter [TS]

  the only reason I ever revisited it was [TS]

  when I thought you know I'll do a thesis [TS]

  one of these days and my thesis would [TS]

  have been and I've never written it and [TS]

  you can someone can go take it and run [TS]

  with it [TS]

  the scarlet letter and then John Updike [TS]

  wrote three books that not just parallel [TS]

  the characters the three characters in [TS]

  The Scarlet Letter but both author and [TS]

  up like parallel purgatory paradise and [TS]

  the inferno in dante's divine comedy and [TS]

  and this would be a great thesis and I'd [TS]

  much rather right radio place because [TS]

  they're fun [TS]

  the scarlet letter I [TS]

  sparknotes at number two by the way I [TS]

  sparknotes at number two [TS]

  can't say I'm surprised oh yeah and [TS]

  actually aunt Andy talking about Jack [TS]

  London reminded me of to build a fire [TS]

  that story which I did not like that at [TS]

  all [TS]

  there's a lot of spit a lot of frozen [TS]

  fit in that story but I'm not leaving [TS]

  anything i remember it was doing Heather [TS]

  a bitter i wanted to book end things [TS]

  with the yet another book from fifth [TS]

  grade [TS]

  that's how i would like to and as I [TS]

  started with another fifth grade book [TS]

  about a dog who dies and that was [TS]

  founder don't know if anybody else had [TS]

  to read sounder it was it another sort [TS]

  of a story about a boy who is not in [TS]

  great circumstances his father had been [TS]

  arrested or something and the dog loses [TS]

  an ear and then but he comes back and [TS]

  he's not actually dead and the dog gets [TS]

  out of jail and it anyway at the end of [TS]

  it the daddy and the dog both die and [TS]

  it's just us who call the dealer [TS]

  yes I wanted to UM I you mentioned mice [TS]

  and men Steinbeck I I think of mice and [TS]

  men is fine [TS]

  I i think once it's it's a lovely book [TS]

  until you get to the part that explains [TS]

  the Looney Tunes running joke about tell [TS]

  me about the rabbits huge yeah well I [TS]

  mean but you gotta have that right yeah [TS]

  that part is still sort of lovely in its [TS]

  own way I think yes it's just yes sadly [TS]

  let me go grapes of wrath I don't like [TS]

  but that's you didn't have to read the [TS]

  house or business that's not a big fan [TS]

  of can reread my missionary mention [TS]

  huckleberry finn by mark twain I it [TS]

  although honestly uh maybe appreciate [TS]

  him more the stuff i've read as an adult [TS]

  than the stuff that was assigned but [TS]

  yeah because i think maybe i need to be [TS]

  older to appreciate Mark Twain a little [TS]

  bit more but I i enjoy mark mark twain I [TS]

  think I think he does he's got some good [TS]

  stuff [TS]

  it was innocents abroad which which is [TS]

  not fiction was gonna say that's the one [TS]

  that hooked me in that and roughing it [TS]

  and then I went back and went ok these [TS]

  this is fun and I with all those choices [TS]

  out of the way my my list has been [TS]

  reduced to only two [TS]

  mr. mention now so in eighth grade for [TS]

  me being born in nineteen seventy eight [TS]

  grade was the year nineteen eighty-four [TS]

  we read 1984 by george orwell ever and I [TS]

  ready to give him high school and I [TS]

  think maybe even read The Giving college [TS]

  and I you know what its it is dark and [TS]

  depressing and all that but it's good [TS]

  it's really good i I think Orwell is [TS]

  great [TS]

  I i also enjoyed brave new world by [TS]

  aldous huxley but 1984 those were often [TS]

  paired together 94 that is a that is [TS]

  solid and I i do get a kick out of the [TS]

  fact that we read it in 1984 because you [TS]

  know what are you going to my teacher [TS]

  was like okay I have to do this this has [TS]

  to happen now even though we were eight [TS]

  graders and probably a little bit too [TS]

  young for it and the other 1i want to [TS]

  mention talk about things that that kind [TS]

  of guy I'm shocked that i liked it so [TS]

  much but i really did is candied my [TS]

  whole tear [TS]

  uh-huh best of all possible worlds it is [TS]

  weird [TS]

  it is weird is a supreme your book you [TS]

  know what it's fixed it's extremely [TS]

  enjoyable i will I liked it a whole lot [TS]

  so I'm going to throw that in merrick [TS]

  since I threw a Madame Bovary under the [TS]

  bus good you deserve it and operate stay [TS]

  under that bus back the bus up a couple [TS]

  of times and never read any of those but [TS]

  but can be here to Kandi's a a lot of [TS]

  fun actually and and it and is it is [TS]

  bizarre and I think I think I [TS]

  appreciated that when i read it and in [TS]

  high school to is like what is the what [TS]

  is happening this is a crazy book but [TS]

  it's a it sarcastic and and satirical [TS]

  and weird and i love it i read that one [TS]

  for kicks [TS]

  because somewhere I can I couldn't tell [TS]

  you when it was in the eighties and live [TS]

  from Lincoln Center and PBS did a [TS]

  telecast of the the Leonard Bernstein's [TS]

  musical version of candied with andrea [TS]

  martin from CTV and in one of the roles [TS]

  and it was wonderful it was a lovely was [TS]

  very funny and and the more I read about [TS]

  this show is a really weird show that [TS]

  you apparently bernstein was obsessed [TS]

  with doing it and they kept revising it [TS]

  revising it over decades and decades and [TS]

  decades and it's still nobody is [TS]

  satisfied without [TS]

  your dad and son time worked on it for a [TS]

  while and lillian hellman have all these [TS]

  people and it still doesn't quite work [TS]

  but it's so much fun ball and and [TS]

  because of that show I i said i want to [TS]

  read the book I just I want to know what [TS]

  it was supposed to be and what did they [TS]

  leave and what did they change and how [TS]

  did they turn it into a musical are [TS]

  actual French person the chat room by [TS]

  the way who confirmed the madame [TS]

  bovary's bad confirms the candy is good [TS]

  so even if your friends and your deal [TS]

  and Jason but that's gonna hate all [TS]

  credit to the translator where do we [TS]

  stand on the little prince [TS]

  I i think i think that i think that with [TS]

  this one Frenchman we're doing the [TS]

  homeopathic version of 50 million [TS]

  Frenchmen can't be wrong [TS]

  yeah so for reproducing the rightness or [TS]

  Frenchmen by man firing at ten million [TS]

  times by reducing its potency I'm really [TS]

  I'm really looking more for the the d no [TS]

  no you you just don't understand that [TS]

  Madame Bovary is a classic in French but [TS]

  you did we really can't translate that I [TS]

  was waiting for something like that and [TS]

  it was like nope it's bad [TS]

  all right you know you could've known as [TS]

  much as me and it's not just the [TS]

  translation it's just bad i appreciate [TS]

  it i have a little while now is a gas [TS]

  that I haven't read the little prince in [TS]

  French yeah me reading in French would [TS]

  be especially good since I do stand [TS]

  wherever maybe I'd like it better if i [TS]

  read in french because i also don't you [TS]

  orange well for a podcast with a weird [TS]

  topic and some we had some technical [TS]

  problems at some point this I think this [TS]

  turned out quite quite nicely and we got [TS]

  a lot of our things that we hated off [TS]

  our chests and we mentioned a bunch of [TS]

  things that we liked I think that's a [TS]

  good combination [TS]

  I think there was some bonding over [TS]

  shared shared pain we also got to tell [TS]

  some particularly horrific stories from [TS]

  time to time about things like a circus [TS]

  therapy but I it's been a fun it's been [TS]

  a fun little adventure into the world of [TS]

  books that we were forced to read [TS]

  against our will [TS]

  so I'd like to thank my guests for [TS]

  joining me on this little adventure [TS]

  david lure thank you for doing the [TS]

  reading of course I and now are all [TS]

  these going to be on the test tomorrow [TS]

  is ok they even Erica and sign your next [TS]

  assignment is to read the odd chapters [TS]

  do I get extra credit if I read the even [TS]

  chapters as well uh let's say yes i am [TS]

  an overachiever [TS]

  okay good good and andy and Aiko your [TS]

  next assignment will be on the on the [TS]

  chalkboard XO kale but my mom promised [TS]

  to take me to blockbuster to rent the [TS]

  movie or whatever that's going to be all [TS]

  just just move it just she move it or or [TS]

  mr. Snell you could read the book [TS]

  yourself i know you're always just [TS]

  putting the VHS yourself [TS]

  hi I'm Cheyenne and made sparknotes [TS]

  schmooper what I focus on [TS]

  Antonio just three slogan chest this [TS]

  movement [TS]

  I'm sure that your money on that suit [TS]

  and I thank you everybody out there for [TS]

  listening to this edition of the [TS]

  uncomfortable we will see you next time [TS]

  don't forget to do the reading [TS]