The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► oh shit i'm so stupid [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► oh it's not that stupid but I i am [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► starting a new thing where I'm just [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► sharing an apple note with whoever's on [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► the show em okay and then you can just [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► paste we can pace links in there and I [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► get right now all it just says tts 168 [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► serenity called anyway the stupid thing [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► is that i was trying to do it and I'm [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► like why can I not do this i know i've [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► done it already and it's because I'm [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► staring at a Mac that's still running el [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► Capitano oh no gotta do it from my phone [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► such technology problems did you get [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► did you go yesterday anyway it's even a [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► lot of n so we're sharing we are sharing [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► this is my new thing we can't even tell [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► people on the air it's not a secret but [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► I'm i shared a note from Apple notes [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► with serenity so that we could paste [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► links and maybe I'll remember to put all [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► the links in the show notes that I say [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► that seems like a perfect use of the [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► shirt notes feature but before we [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► started recording i spent a minute [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► staring at my screen trying to figure [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► out how to do it and it was because I'm [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► staring at a machine that still running [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► back running l cap which doesn't have [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► the feature where is my collaborate [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► button where has it gone to I am [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► we have so much to talk about and how [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► that we're going to do it but this isn't [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► I'm excited here's what I'm excited [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► about is my last show was with jim [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► dalrymple and everything was still no [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► and I feel like you know like the phones [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► and watch em I don't think Sierra was [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► out yet i like talking about these [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► things more once I've gotten to know [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► them a little better [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► like I even said on my show that last [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► time I found writing a review of the [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► iphone after five days to be incredibly [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► stressful because I don't know what it's [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► really hard right so I'm anxious to hear [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► your thoughts now that we've starting to [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► settle in with these new devices and [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► both new operating systems but when I [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► was going to tell you is I'm like a [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► reckless I'm reckless with my iOS [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► devices i'll install the first beta of [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► whatever is coming out as soon as [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► somebody else on twitter says they [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► installed it and it didn't didn't blow [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► up we have same so my iphone my personal [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► iphone is already running the developer [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► beta of [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► fun 10.1 because your personal iphone 7 [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► plus this time around 77 I've just [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► switched I think saturday i switched [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► from my room plus review unit to my [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► phone I ended up buying for myself which [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► is jet black regular 7m h but I did it [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► but I had to run the beta because i put [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► the beta on the plus so i could take [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► portrait mode photos and then once [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► you've upgraded that device if I wanted [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► I wanted to keep carrying forward that [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► you know backup and restore so I have [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► all my stuff and don't have to set up an [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► email account and everything again so i [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► have to be running the beta here but i [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► find iOS betas to be just fine [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► yeah they've been remarkably stable i [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► think the entire iOS 10 beta really [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► cycle has been remarkably stable i [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► installed two days after dub DC for [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► running the developed the Deaf beta and [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► i have not a problem since like little [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► little things here and there pretty [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► little problems but but on my max I'm [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► tend to be very conservative I don't [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► like running that I don't run the [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► developer beta is over the summer and [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► and I haven't up i've upgraded my [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► macbook which I don't really use that [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► much at least I haven't been because [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► they haven't been traveling lately so I [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► i did install Sierra on that one but I'm [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► not my imac at my desk i'm waiting I am [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► exactly the same i did not install [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► Sierra on this imac until the day after [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► release because our thankfully we have a [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► staff and I more now which is really [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► lovely and Lori Gil kinda took . on all [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► the mac OS see Eric of richmond i didn't [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► have to worry about it so I had like [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► seven devices like seven iOS devices [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► running iOS 10 and no max in the house [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► right here huh i just typed up time in [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► the terminal so my imac's been up for 23 [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► days without a restart and it and i find [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► that to be very typical like I just come [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► in here every day and just hit the [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► keyboard to wake up there are features [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► i'm looking forward to I can't wait to [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► you know get the thing where i can log [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► in with my Apple watch and auto unlock [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► yeah that's kind of fun and enjoyed that [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► the last four days so I maybe by the [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► next episode I record i will be running [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► Sarah here and it does seem it seemed to [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► me on on my macbook where I did upgrade [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► the Sierra [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► that it was the a least inconvenient [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► major version of mac OS 10 upgrade I've [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► ever done it seemed to me like almost [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► nothing broker changed [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► yeah i have had no problems created I [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► haven't launched an adobe program yet so [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► photoshop still could be completely [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► worked and I wouldn't know it but i'm [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► pretty sure i don't i haven't heard any [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► complaining from my artist friends so I [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► haven't really run into anything major [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► where it's just completely broken or [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► completely a pain and one of the reasons [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► I'm so conservative upgrading a mac is [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► that iced I'd have so many little super [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► nerdy things that I install and setup [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► when I like i have a president like i [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► have a bunch of scripts are written for [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► myself and pearl and they require perl [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► modules from the cpanel open source [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► repository and you just type some things [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► on the command line and install them and [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► every time I to my memory every time [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► I've ever done a major upgrade of Mac [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► os10 I've had to reinstall those because [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► pearls considered part of the system now [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► yeah and that makes is just ahead and I [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► I accept it it makes sense to me but [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► then this time I didn't have to all the [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► stuff i had installed from Sipan was [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► still there [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► they finally the I you know the mac OS [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► engineer's listen to you and said you [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► know what we're just gonna make the the [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► Pearl upgrade process easier this time [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► is our friend in the back room that's [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► all of who i'm actually going to go tell [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► to quiet down in just a second there's a [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► new puppy in the back fellow she gets [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► really excited about my like having a [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► dog on the show [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► oh yeah people give it give it a little [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► bit of color people got very mad at me [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► like i said i don't like that [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► oh I i am an equal-opportunity pet lover [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► we have two dogs and one cat is out [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► there we go that brings balance to the [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► to the talk shit . and then the problem [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► is a challenge to the force a problem [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► with jim dalrymple agreed with are no [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► i'm nothing against dogs dogs are great [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► but I I grew up with cats are cats and [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► then my fiancé owns dog so it's been a [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► kind of like a merging of the households [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► where we go i think the last time we had [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► a dog barking in the background the show [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► was Joanna stern when she had a her dog [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► is really not be and I think I think an [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► accident in the room while she was on [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► the show are now his comic gold [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► yep yep it's like okay let's talk about [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► macbooks oh wait wait if I don't know so [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► it seems to me like Apple as their [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► upgrade mojo in place I and it just [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► scanning the internet it seems like [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► there were relatively few people whose [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► you know seemingly on Twitter had any [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► kind of problem upgrading either to iOS [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► 10 or to Sierra yeah and honestly this [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► is probably when one of the smoother [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► upgrade cycles that I've that I've seen [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► on I on the on the Twitter webs i ate [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► the only thing I've really seen [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► complaints about the home button and [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► even those who kind of tapered off after [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► the first couple days you know they were [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► the their the outrages of Lake why [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► doesn't my slide to unlock work and even [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► my personal trainer when I want to saw [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► her lap see her last week she was she [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► was very outraged at the idea of of [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► having to change her home her unlocked [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► behavior and then when I saw her the the [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► next week she's like yeah I've gotten [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► used to it it's fine [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► that's an interesting change because [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► it's one that I I've heard that too from [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► you know real people and I've they what [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► I recall is I think I started running [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► the second developer beta maybe the [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► third because i had like i was traveling [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► in early July and I didn't want to take [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► a chance while I was traveling so as [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► soon as we got home from a trip in july [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► that's when I started running the [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► developer betas on my iPhone and I've at [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► first like anybody else i was confused [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► it seemed like getting into getting past [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► the lock screen was weird and I just [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► thought it but I remember thinking was I [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► it's a beta i'm sure they'll figure this [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► out by the end of the summer and they [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► didn't really I don't think they [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► actually changed anything it's just that [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► eventually I I it became the new normal [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► to me [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► yeah it gets you get comfortable with it [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► and then you switch back to a device [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► running iOS 9 and you're like why won't [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► what what I'm just I'm trying to unlock [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► you them and it's just seems normal now [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► although I guess it's I guess it is it [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► are there still a lot of people who [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► don't have touch ID i don't think there [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► are a ton of people who don't have touch [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► ID but the like my personal trainer [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► who's talking she's like I've never put [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► a passcode on my iPhone and immediately [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► I told her well here's one cure the [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► reasons why you should put a passcode [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► and touch ID on your iPhone [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► but there are a lot of people who still [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► don't do pass codes and don't do touch [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► ID despite having touch ID enabled [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► iphones we boggles my mind that's so [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► easy that would be an interesting wonder [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► what that is I've always thought and I [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► think I do think it's true that the [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► original slide to unlock a witch you [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► know Apple if bragged about it was a big [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► part of the original iphone the [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► habitation that was a part of the ads it [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► was a part of the brand it was actually [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► a big part of their lawsuits with [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► samsung system i forget i think they [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► sued other people to write and it was [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► movies held up it was like apple's [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► version of of Amazon's one click you [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► know like this is a ridiculous thing to [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► be able to patent know this is actually [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► genius you know arguments on both sides [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► should be able to patent an idea that's [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► so simple blah blah blah i really do [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► think that that feature was designed for [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► a phone that doesn't have a passcode [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► oh yeah it's I mean it was designed in [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► kind of the pre pasco era where I I [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► don't think until my iphone4 that I [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► really ever thought about having [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► passcodes on my devices or thought [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► seriously about like what it meant to [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► protect the information that was on my [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► device because the iphone 3g and 3gs I [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► feel like all i all i had on those [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► phones were like Twitter and and the [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► camera app and I wasn't you know taking [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► any pictures that were particularly [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► sensitive and I wasn't doing a ton of [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► banking on my phone because 3g networks [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► at that point we're still slow but now I [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► mean you know my-my 7 plus i feel like i [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► can pretty much do my entire job on it [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► I've you know I don't need another I [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► don't need a computer for some things [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► now I think that's definitely true [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► yeah that's what I hear it from so many [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► people but i just think we just didn't I [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► don't know a quickie the whole industry [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► both on the the company's side like [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► apples side as the creator of this [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► device and this operating system and on [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► the consumer side and in it on our site [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► is people who write about this stuff [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► the last decade has been a real [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► eye-opener in terms of privacy and [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► security like I think before that we [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► actually only thought of security as [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► security that goes through bugs you know [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► like oh there's a [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► and exploits in windows XP and if you'd [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► all you have to do is visit this website [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► and you know at code can get run locally [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► with full privileges under on your [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► computer and you're in trouble and [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► that's what we thought of it as as [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► opposed to like just the privacy aspects [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► of this system it doesn't have any bugs [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► it's working as designed but if somebody [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► picks up your phone and plugs into [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► itunes they'll just be able to see all [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► your stuff you know [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► yeah yeah and it's i mean the the scary [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► thing about that is really the social [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► engineering part of it where it even [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► even I think until really we got it with [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► Snowden and we got it with even mr. [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► robot of all things alerting people to [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► the idea of like yeah if people know [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► your security questions or a couple of [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► facts about you they can pretty much [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► take over your life like I remember [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► doing a mat Honan species from a few [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► years ago [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► yeah yeah about his password dilemmas [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► and troubles and how basically somebody [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► took over all of his stuff and like that [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► that kind of stuff is I think an [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► eye-opener for a definitely was an [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► eye-opener for a lot of the tech [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► concerted audience but it's still I [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► think making its way towards the general [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► public the general public is worried [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► about security and this broad nebulous [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► idea but they don't really think about [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► it on a very discreet you know [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► individual basis like like talking to my [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► personal trainer if someone picks up if [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► you go to Africa and someone picks up [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► your phone [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► they could basically steal your identity [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► no problem [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► true she was going to Africa it's not [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► just like random picking Africa picking [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► on africa and i also think the iphone [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► and that therefore iOS particular also [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► started on are on the wrong foot in some [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► ways because it's in some ways I think [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► Apple had conceived of it as as much as [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► the successor to the ipod as it was to [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► the mac and so yes there were some you [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► know some aspects of whatever you want [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► to call the original the original [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► version of iOS when I think of it didn't [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► even have a name it was called like [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► iphone OS iphone OS yeah and even had [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► like marketing material that they even [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► called it OS 10 it was like runs OS 10 [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► you know they didn't know what to call [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► it at first but a lot of it was [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► was a sort of stripped out by the idea [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► that it was sort of more like an ipod [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► which never had any real sort of [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► security right you you could always just [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► plug an ipod into another computer and [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► see what was on it [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► oh you had drm music for a long time are [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► you have music it was one way transfer [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► basically he was really more on the the [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► format of the files you bought from the [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► store than the device itself mom and you [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► know just wasn't a protective device i [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► mean you could really just plug somebody [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► else's iphone into your you know your [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► mac and you know communicate over USB so [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► they had you know obviously come a long [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► way from there to here and i do think [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► that the slide to unlock just didn't [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► really fit you know touch ID is slide [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► and slide to unlock for the modern [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► secure world [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► yeah it's the this is the easy way to [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► open your phone after you've put it some [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► level of security know and especially as [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► they rolled out touch ID to more places [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► including like on iOS 10 a little [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► feature that I even noticed today is if [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► you go into a Apple music and you're [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► signing into your user account you as [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► long as you have touch ID enabled for [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► for iTunes you can now use your [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► fingerprint for that you don't even have [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► to enter in your password and like these [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► weird random places of the OS which I [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► think was even still a thing and in iOS [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► 9 where they were still like some areas [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► where you had to type out your long [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► complicated password and now it's all [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► like as long as you're already in the [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► system you can authorize just about [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► anything with with a touch ID [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► fingerprint it does seem like I've had [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► to type my passwords in fewer times it [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► and again one of the little things that [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► it seems like it's so annoying that we [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► notice it when we're getting badgered by [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► and we yell at apple for it and then we [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► don't really notice when they fix it and [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► so we don't have to give them the little [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► pat on the head and say thank you Apple [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► you know yeah it did that the number of [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► times where i used to have to I just be [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► out and I would just get prompted for my [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► my iCloud password and it would even [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► tell me why right it's just like it's [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► just like this random thing right but it [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► does seem to me anecdotally at least for [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► me personally that I i don't see that as [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► much as I almost never it's almost never [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► inexplicable it's always got like a next [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► action therefore I don't feel bad about [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► it mhm so good good 24 apple on that so [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► beforehand on the back before we get [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► into details let's while we're on this [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► subject let's try to lie i have a at [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► least one but think about the things [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► that Apple still has a lot of you know [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► where they falling short on their [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► upgrade you know when you upgrade [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► devices [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► overall I think they're getting really [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► good at it but i'll give you an example [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► and i know this is gotta be worse for [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► you than me because I think you have [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► more apple watches yet i was gonna say [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► 20 it is their example involve upgrading [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► to a new Apple watch and creating time [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► to Apple watch is the worst it [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► yeah takes forever and if you forget to [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► do it in the right order you've got to [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► start all over from scratch [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► you just want to say it that you want to [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► put like a don't know what the head to [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► the desk kind of a thing it's it's very [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► frustrating especially I don't you know [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► as as people who are dealing with review [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► units having certain Apple watch is [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► paired to certain devices and some of [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► them being backups of your old phone and [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► some of them not being backups of your [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► old phone and then trying to switch [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► those watches from one device to another [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► is pretty much impossible unless they're [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► on your Apple ID and on your specific [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► back up there basically tied to the [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► phone and that's that that's the thing [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► that like took me awhile to wrap my head [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► around is like if you're your Apple [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► watch is not a separate device it's your [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► Apple watch and your iphone and all of [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► the backups get stored basically as your [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► iphone backup so if you pear and apple [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► watch to a brand-new iphone that you [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► haven't restored from backup and then [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► you're like oh I want to switch that [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► Apple watch to you know a backdrop [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► iphone on your you're going to be a [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► little bit of trouble you're not here [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► not going to be very happy [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► I i find that the the thing that gets me [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► is the fact that you don't get your [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► watch backed up until you on parent it [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► from yes phone and that feels so wrong [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► to me and I don't see how any normal [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► person nobody normal person would ever [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► ever think that that's how it should be [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► done and even if they're told that [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► that's how it's done it it doesn't look [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► like you're doing the right thing like [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► even if you're just need somebody says [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► here's what you do with your new iphone [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► first unpair your home or your watches [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► you from your old phone [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► well under the backing up your old phone [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► then restore your new phone from that [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► back up and then your watch as you knew [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► it will still be there and then you can [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► repair the watch and it'll go right back [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► to where it was but when you go through [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► those steps [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► it doesn't look like you're doing that [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► it looks like you're racing your watch [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► yeah it and there's no there's no good [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► dialogue from that box and it is i'm [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► pretty sure the watch does get backed up [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► nightly the same way that the iphone [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► does know there's an iCloud backup [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► no it doesn't because there are there [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► are intermediary backups that are made [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► however if you want to upgrade so let's [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► say I'm going from a watch series 02 a [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► watch series 2 and I don't unpair the [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► watch series 0 before i go to the series [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► to the most recent backup I might find [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► this might be 2-3 days old it's not [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► going to be current which means you're [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► not going to have your move data and [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► you're not gonna have your activity [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► stuff or it might be even older if it [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► didn't if the backup didn't go through [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► properly and that's really frustrating [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► the fact that you can't like and there's [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► no even there's no way to make a manual [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► backup unless you and parrot what you [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► were talking about which is like that is [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► the most frustrating thing because [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► legally when people people Google like [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► how to backup your watch and it's not [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► how to backup your watches how to unpair [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► your watch which also makes a backup [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► like why couldn't there just be a button [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► apple like really I I don't even see how [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► you can see where your latest backup is [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► I don't know that you can i'm looking [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► only way the only way that you can see [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► where your latest backup is is when [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► you're pairing a new watch [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► right which is really dumb because [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► that's that I ran into that in a weird [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► kind of where I had this complicated i [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► had a backup of my phone or I had [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► restored an iphone 7 review unit from [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► the regular backup of my phone so it was [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► running my [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► all my apps and everything else and then [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► I had a watch that I was you know doing [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► some dad doing some activity data on and [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► then i switched to my jet black iphone 7 [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► plus which came in and the iphone 7 plus [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► i had restored from an iphone backup but [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► i restored from an iphone backup like [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► two days prior [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► so the seven plus and the seven were two [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► days off in terms of backups [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► so when I got my new my prop mine on [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► review Apple watch series 2 and I went [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► to pair it with the with the jet-black [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► on iphone 7 plus it was only showing me [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► Apple watch backups that were two days [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► old or more because it couldn't see that [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► despite the fact that these phones were [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► essentially going to the same iCloud [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► backup and had the same information on [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► them and like had the same health data [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► even because of it being an iCloud it [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► couldn't see the apple watch backups [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► that the iphone 7 mate because in I [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► clouds mind it was an iphone 7 plus [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► Apple watch combo and an iphone 7 plus [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► plus Apple watch combo and it's just [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► like that it's it's the same iCloud [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► account it's so frustrating i really [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► hope that they put some effort into that [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► and I can almost surprised they haven't [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► because i always think like okay so [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► whens people like me and you sit here [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► and complain and it's worse for us [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► because i'm on my third iphone 7 now I [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► to review units and when i bought and [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► now owned and only the one watch I'm [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► still wearing a review unit watch [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► because i don't know what i want to buy [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► for myself but it I realized that it's [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► you know it's a tiny little violin is [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► playing sad music for because you know [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► we have this all you have all of these [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► fall yeah we have these also all these [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► gadgets to play with and but I i just [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► had can't help but think and I know that [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► they're not supposed to solve these [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► problems for us because we're edge cases [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► but even normal people who just bought [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► one new phone it's it's terrible if you [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► go through and didn't remember to unpair [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► your watch first [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► yeah at the worst part is if you're [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► wearing your yeah if you're wearing your [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► watch and it's still paired to your old [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► phone and you don't think about pairing [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► it to your new phone until a couple days [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► after you've had your new phone which is [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► entirely likely because people [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► again you treat the Apple watches a [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► separate device for a certain period was [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► what you're saying with the first iphone [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► right where it's like they're treating [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► the apple watch is pretty much a [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► separate device so it has gps now you [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► can go outside for walks and you leave [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► your iphone at home but it is still tied [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► to the iphone and that's something [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► that's not really marketed enough [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► outside of the yet uses the iphone [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► cellular signal no it is it is an iphone [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► accessory so if it's not tied to your [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► right iphone then everything falls apart [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► and that's that is something that i can [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► see being very confusing for the average [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► user and something will just throw their [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► hands up about well and she's the thing [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► is that surely there must be a lot of [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► people inside Apple who go through the [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► same thing because they are using test [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► devices so they know that that's why I'm [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► a little surprised that they haven't [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► addressed this I mean like I think it's [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► one of the reasons why'd you are now [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► able to have multiple watches paired [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► with one phone [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► oh yeah and you know part of it is that [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► of course yeah if you want to buy a [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► couple Apple watches Apple would love to [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► sell you a couple but I'm sure that part [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► of the reason that it's in there is that [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► some of the most likes to tease the most [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► likely people did to have several Apple [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► watches at the same time or people [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► inside Apple who are testing a new you [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► know either news new software or new [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► hardware both ya gotta get better [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► it absolutely has to and I'm i mean i'm [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► hopeful especially as the as the watch [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► vaults but it's still it's a pain . yeah [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► and it also seems like one thing in [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► Syria I didn't put a stop watch to it so [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► maybe it's just it went from really bad [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► to sort of kind of bad but this is the [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► wireless network speed between your [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► phone and the watch or something is so [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► unbelievably slow real painful like I [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► swear I had what I was restoring this [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► watch after i got it just went through [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► this again over the weekend where I had [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► two unpaired because now I have it [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► paired with the phone that I own myself [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► and I let it go for an hour and came [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► back to it and it was still on that [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► spinning that slow spin around the [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► outside on now I was like this is crazy [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► and I did you restore your apps to uh [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► yeah I don't have that on my phone but [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► even so yeah exactly it just it takes [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► when i was $DAY i did a ton of speed too [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► because I got a I got a series to review [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► unit but i also bought a series one for [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► myself and then I had my original series [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► 0 and I was doing like cross crossways [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► speed discs on all of these and the one [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► thing like the series to like blows the [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► series 10 out of the water in a in a [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► bunch of different ways the original [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► generation Apple watch but when it comes [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► to barking dogs when it comes to the [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► difference between like serious two [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► series 1 and the original generation [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► Apple watch and boot time or restore [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► time like the boot time on an Apple [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► watch series 2 is still over a minute [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► the boot time on series 0 is like two [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► and a half minutes but it's still like [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► if I'm waiting a minute and 20 seconds [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► for my watch to startup problems i'm [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► gonna tell you about a good friend of [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► the show its fracture you guys no [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► fracture they are the photo decor [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► company that is out to rescue your [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► favorite images from the digital either [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► they print your photos directly on the [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► glass and add a laser-cut rigid backing [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► so they're ready to display right [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► out-of-the-box they even include the [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► wall anchor I've told you about them [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► before they've been sponsoring this [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► podcast as in my mind forever and [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► they're back because you guys keep [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► buying pictures from them they're just a [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► great great service it is it's not just [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► I always say this it does not look like [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► a piece of paper that has photo printed [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► on it mounted the glass it looks like [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► it's like the retina display it looks [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► like it the pictures somehow on the [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► glass it is amazing feature when you [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► hang them on the wall in your house and [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► people come in they will say that was [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► because you do it's noticeable there's [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► no frame around its edge it looks like [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► nothing else and I'll say how did you do [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► that and then you'll tell them about [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► fraktur one of the reasons that they're [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► advertising right now I know it's early [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► i know it's late September as we talked [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► and probably as you listen and it seems [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► like Christmas is forever away but these [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► are amazing gifts there really are you [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► could knock out a whole bunch of your [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► family gift-giving early and they do [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► tend to run late are they get backed up [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► so you won't be able to order fractures [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► in like early December and still get in [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► by Christmas [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► so it's a good time to knock off a [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► little bit of that I go there to find [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► out more they have all sorts of sizes [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► great prices [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► great great quality and if you go to [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► this URL fracture me.com / podcast you [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► will save ten percent off your first [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► order fracture me.com / podcast and then [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► don't forget to mention the show in [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► their very very long one question survey [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► which is where did you hear about [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► fracture so just mentioned the talkshow [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► there and no no you came from here so my [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► thanks to fracture go do it you'll thank [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► me later for getting all your family [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► christmas gifts out-of-the-way anything [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► else that bothers you about Apple's [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► upgrade process and like Mac iOS [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► switching to a new device upgrading the [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► OS anything along those lines [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► overall I find it pretty smooth and the [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► only thing that I think is a little bit [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► frustrating is the as much as I love the [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► over-the-air download process for iOS on [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► it can be very frustrating to update if [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► you're on-the-go obviously because it's [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► a big download to build the iOS 10 [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► download was a gigabyte but the problem [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► is because of the way that the the [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► download currently works say i'm waiting [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► around for my download to fit like it's [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► update day right it's its release day [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► and i've downloaded half of the release [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► half of iOS 10 to my iphone and then for [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► some reason i need to go out and do an [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► errant well I can either leave the phone [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► at home and you know what the wreath [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► that it was going maybe like 10 kilobits [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► a second [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► that'll be that would be downloaded [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► maybe half downloaded by the time I get [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► back or you know maybe i need the phone [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► while I'm out and about and if i take [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► the phone and I leave while its wallets [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► downloading there's no place where I can [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► be like pause my download while I go off [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► Wi-Fi go to my area and then come back [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► and resume my download and still have [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► that half of the update that i [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► downloaded back like you can do that [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► with pretty you can do that on safari [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► for the mac you can do that even with [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► iOS apps at this point with paws [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► download on but there's no way to do [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► that for [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► the for these big updates I realize [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► that's like this again maybe a bit of an [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► edge case but i know a lot of people who [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► don't end up updating to iOS 10 because [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► they don't find time to even with I you [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► know apples been a done a lot better [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► with the like install while I'm sleeping [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► and stuff like that in the auto install [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► night like that that's all really nice I [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► really nice improvements to this feature [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► but it's still it runs you know there [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► are still people who they start to [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► install it and they think its installed [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► because they started the process and [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► they don't even think oh you know if I [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► leave my house before the install [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► process is completed it's never it's [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► just going to stop the install process [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► and I'm never gonna get it installed [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► like just the average user is not [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► obsessive about download things they [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► just they've they've gotten used to the [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► ios app you know now i'm downloading an [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► iOS app and the ios app is going to [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► download wherever I am or it'll you know [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► if even if it can't get a good network [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► connection or five cellular data turned [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► off while i'm running around it will [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► come back and finish downloading when I [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► want to get back to my computer but the [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► but the update is not like that so [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► that's my like nitpicky complaint i [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► can't really think it's too many other [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► ones I me neither but i agree with you [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► here's one thing that if we're going to [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► skip around but we talk about iOS 10 and [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► what it's how it's faring in the real [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► world [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► I'm hearing from I want to drop names [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► but people in the house that the the [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► heavier doses of 3d touch to do things [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► or force touch whatever they call it on [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► with I guess on iOS it's called 3d touch [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► is not not a welcome addition to the [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► operating system not a welcome addition [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► how that it's too confusing or not [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► intuitive when you need to press hard [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► and when you just need to normally tap [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► and that having these things that like [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► just to do the stickers in messages that [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► you have to force touch on the arrow we [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► had to move it [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► i I'd see some merit in that and to me [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► it's sort of like the old one button [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► mouse vs2 button [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► mouse argument where it seemed like it [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► but maybe maybe a little different [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► because it seemed like in the old days [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► when Apple obstinately seemingly [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► obstinately stuck to a one button mouse [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► when you know every single piano is a [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► fundamental aspect of the windows user [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► interface that there were things you [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► would right click on like I don't you [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► couldn't really even properly use [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► Windows without a 2-button mouse and I [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► don't know that anybody I don't even [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► know that you could buy it like a one [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► button mouse for pc it wasn't even like [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► that thing whereas and it seems like [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► everybody like the consensus among the [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► Nerds was that Apple is just sticking to [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► this out of spite [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► whereas what I saw was that this is sure [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► if you're a power user you can go buy a [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► 2-button mouse mouse with the scroll [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► wheel and plug it in and it will work [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► but for most people [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► all they have to do is understand click [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► and having just one type of click is [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► fundamentally it's so much simpler than [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► even just having two types of clicks let [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► alone the crazy gaming mice you can buy [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► with you know 20 different buttons but [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► even just going from 1 to 2 is a huge [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► difference and you do you know I I'd [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► everybody has seen people in a [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► real-world whoo-hoo like it don't know [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► what to click on what to double-click on [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► and stuff like that like click and [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► double-click was confusing enough for [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► some people it's 55 and I felt like that [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► was part of the genius of iOS was [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► dialing that all the way back to just [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► tap everything is a tap and I think [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► force touch convoluted that to some [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► degree [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► yeah I mean we were already getting into [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► more advanced options with things like [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► long presses which have existed i don't [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► know at least at least 45 iOS [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► generations maybe more on an earlier [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► with the with third-parties I see 3d [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► touch a lot in the way that I see a [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► two-button mice on you know 1990s early [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► two thousands Apple computers which is [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► there's not really anything on an iphone [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► at least that I can think of where 3d [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► touch is necessary to do a core function [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► you know 3d touch makes it faster to [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► open the battery pain and settings but [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► you can still get to the battery pain if [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► tap on settings and then tap on battery [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► and then tap on low power mode on [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► i likey you think of something in like I [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► can think of stuff on the watch where [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► you need force press two to do extra [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► things but is there any is there s is [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► there something besides maybe stickers [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► where you really need a force press [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► messages is one where there's certain [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► things that you seem to have to force [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► press and any other thing is to interact [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► with the notification widgets right it's [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► yeah seems like it's true but again you [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► can tap on the notification widget and [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► it will send you to the right area i get [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► it but it seems like a me to just name [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► one person doesn't always mean yeah and [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► and sees you know she seems frustrated [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► that sometimes she thinks she's pressing [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► plenty hard enough to get a force touch [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► and it's not registering yeah well that [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► that i think is an absolutely valid [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► complaint in that force touch sometimes [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► works marvelously and i have i have my [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► force to our fresh force touch 3d touch [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► press firmly i have my setting to the [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► latest version so that it will trigger [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► almost immediately once i start pressing [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► down on the screen and i would say it [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► works about 75% of the time that's not [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► God know exactly and it's like I mean it [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► it it will work other times but other [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► times it requires a little bit firmer [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► press and i'm not sure if there's it's [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► because there's something on my fingers [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► or if it's just the screen is you know [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► miss reading but yeah that's a little [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► it's a little bit frustrating and the [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► place where I noticed it the most is [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► turning the keyboard if you if you press [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► firmly on the when the keyboards active [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► you can turn that into a movable cursor [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► yeah and I use that all the time when [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► I'm writing on iOS and it was very I [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► don't know very noticeable for me I i [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► would just I will reiterate that is my [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► favorite 3d touch feature I find with [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► the first time I saw it last year I was [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► like oh i will use that all the time and [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► never ceded to forget that it existed at [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► the time for listeners of the show if [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► you take one thing away we go right down [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► actual note while you listen to us talk [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► the one thing I would emphasize is [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► remember that you can force touch on the [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► keyboard to make the cursor like a mouse [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► cursor that you can move around because [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► once you really do internalize that and [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► and you don't even have to root you [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► don't have to think about it to use it [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► is the best tech [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► editing changed since the original [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► iphone yes it's copy and paste quite [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► honestly i don't i don't use the library [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► use the loop [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► however like whatever price you got a [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► notification that you want to reply to [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► like the messages one would be an [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► example to eat pot has it now for dm's [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► you have to force touch on it to get the [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► inline don't even open the app just let [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► me reply right here [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► I ya know if it looks like if you just [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► tap the notification that will send you [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► directly into the app but I mean I get [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► that little shortcuts to get that short [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► but again we're talking about shortcuts [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► we're not talking about things where [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► it's like or you know what actually I [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► take it back because if it appears at [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► the top of the screen you can drag down [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► and it will give you the the information [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► so you can drag on it the same way that [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► you couldn't I think iOS 9 or iOS 8 and [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► it would give you the same kind of and [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► further preview if it were up to me I [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► think I would make I i think it I think [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► that force touch should only and always [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► be a shortcut for a long press yes they [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► agree with that you anything that you do [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► with a force touch if you just hold [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► their you'll get the same thing and I [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► think that would be an accessibility win [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► because i think it would help for [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► anybody who actually can't press hard [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► enough and I think conceptually it would [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► simplify things and I know that there [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► are some conflicts like right now you [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► force touch on an app icon on the home [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► screen to get the list of shortcuts for [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► that app and you long press to get into [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► google mode when you rearrange apps but [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► is so annoying I we should just do both [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► yeah i think it should just be one [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► shortcut and then one of the options for [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► every app would be like edit . it [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► exactly and you know and use like an [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► icon to indicate that you know I'm sure [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► there's some visual way that you could [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► indicate like this is how you get to the [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► old jiggle mode [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► mhm it could easily be tied together [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► like that I know the one that I remember [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► is if you go to the Apple weather app [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► and you go to the list of cities or [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► locations i tried to rearrange them [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► before a trip to move like where i was [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► going up to be like like number two so I [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► could always go right right beneath the [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► local you know wherever I am [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► and I couldn't remember how to rearrange [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► the city's thank you for the life of me [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► I just kept force touching on them and [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► it it just kept opening them and took me [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► like a minute to remember [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► press and hold the press press firmly no [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► press firmly on the site [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► press press slightly rearranged press [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► firmly to like pull up a pop-up right [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► and then if while you're waiting for the [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► whole be long enough to start pressing [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► too hard to open up that those little [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► things are so frustrating especially if [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► you are you know somebody who goes in [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► between pressing firmly and long [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► processes like trying to rearrange your [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► app icons that's that is that's kind of [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► an exercise in frustration and maybe [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► just not enough ppl rearrange their app [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► icons on a regular basis anymore they [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► just they don't care about the way their [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► home screen looks or because I feel like [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► Apple must be getting complaints about [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► this right [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► oh I'm trying to rearrange my icons and [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► I can't remember how to do it anywhere [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► I don't know just I don't think it could [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► be made together I feel like they yeah [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► you know be like an iOS 11 change not [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► like an iOS 10.2 change but I feel like [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► long press and force touch could be [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► unified i think so and it may it may be [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► one of those things where I'm sorry the [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► lower right yeah I think rick is coming [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► home so they're really excited [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► yeah I i think it may be something we're [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► in iOS 11 we may see a more drastic [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► change to the home screen or something [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► like that where they're kind of like we [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► know this is a hack job right now but we [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► promise it will all go away soon and I [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► under like one part part of me [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► understands that from a ok we're working [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► towards a bigger objective in a bigger [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► picture here but the fact remains that [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► 3d touch has now been an operation or [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► will be an operation for two whole [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► release cycles and to say like this is a [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► hand wave we're going to make it better [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► soon at for 42 years worth is that's [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► stretching it for the average user [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► that's that's kind of painful it is [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► interesting to me watching the reaction [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► of people who are you know all new to [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► iOS 10 and you know we we talked before [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► about the [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► the home button change where you have to [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► you know there's no more swipe to unlock [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► seems like at first an awful lot of [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► people objected to some of the visual [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► changes in iOS 10 which i think in broad [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► terms of like the new control center and [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► that yeah in a way that would the [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► widgets look more like Windows you know [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► there's like a 3d pneus and Anna they [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► don't go there not full with they have [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► entire you know they're encapsulated a [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► little bubbly yeah there's just a little [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► bit more depth to the interface it is it [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► you know to over you know to borrow and [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► overused term from when I was seven came [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► out it's it's less flat and not so much [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► in a way that the actual individual [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► buttons and little windows themselves [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► have 3d but that the layering of where [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► they are in the system is more 3d I like [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► it a lot [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► I think it's actually to me it's like [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► iOS 10 has really it's just shows how [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► many how long it takes to get a major [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► design right and to me I OS 10 is the [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► one where the that what they were [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► thinking with ios7 they've really dialed [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► it back up to where the appropriate [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► level of depth and imovie 08 to iMovie [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► 11 kind of thing [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► yeah I is good well it just seems to me [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► like people complain about it at first [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► but it seems like right now as of now [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► everybody now that it was really just [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► the newness that bothered him and now go [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► yeah they've got used to it [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► well it's the anytime that you change [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► someone's interaction path they're going [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► to grumble about it for a little while [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► same thing we were talking about what [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► the touch ID and opening the phone where [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► it's like the control center now having [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► multiple cards initially that was a bit [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► of a pain especially if you're dealing [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► with sliders because if you don't tap on [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► the right place for a slider you might [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► accidentally slide the pain left right [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► and you know putting things in slightly [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► different places being like oh I can't [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► find this anymore and where is this and [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► how wide is Notification Center still [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► have the wedges screen in it despite the [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► fact that the widgets screen is now you [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► know its own real thing on the left-hand [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► side like there are still little bits [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► and pieces [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► here that I that are quite right but um [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► I i wrote about this right after wdc in [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► terms of the way that Apple has changed [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► the visual narrative to really be about [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► stacks and layers and about you know the [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► home screen is kind of your neutral [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► layer now and then apps pop up on top [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► and you've got control center and [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► notification center on top above [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► everything else and it's just it's [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► unified it now we're at it actually [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► makes it and then the lock screen is on [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► top of everything else because the lock [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► screen is basically like keeping keeping [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► you in this box like it's your opening [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► the box you're pressing through with the [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► with the home button to go into this box [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► and it's I don't know from I am from a [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► purely like tactile visual sense which [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► is odd combination of words there but [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► but really it is very pleasing I [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► subconsciously I think and initially [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► again people are going to be complaining [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► about it because it doesn't it's not [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► what they were used to write but I as [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► you get used to it i think it becomes [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► more and more comfortable and things [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► make sense it's it goes from a i'm [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► looking for this feature [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► oh well now i'm getting trained i'm [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► getting visually trained to be like okay [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► well apps are you know apps are found by [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► pulling something up or pulling you know [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► pulling from a side of the screen or [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► moving from side like this i don't know [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► I i really i really like the direction [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► they're going with this [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► I one of the things that I think that [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► they got wrong in iOS 7 and that they've [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► been end to me they've really this is [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► what the times 10 is really where they [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► fixed it in a lot of ways is and this is [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► something i think that I'm going to [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► excuse a lot of it as it just takes more [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► than one or two years to get a complete [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► redesign right this is one of the things [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► i think they could have gotten much [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► better right from the start and for some [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► reason whatever was in their heads [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► collectively was wrong was making sure [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► that the visual indication of like [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► something that either on or off is [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► absolutely [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► in earlier this year and and i think it [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► was there and I think it was a desire [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► for aesthetic purposes to not use color [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► is what burned them in iOS 7 and so for [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► example here's what I'm looking at is [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► the way that like when you have Wi-Fi on [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► in control center [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► it's just a bright vivid blue and then [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► if you tap it to turn it off [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► it is very clearly off because it's gray [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► and drab I think that's one of my [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► favorite changes it's just the way that [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► they're more way more willing and iOS 10 [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► to use plops little little little bits [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► of very vivid color to clearly indicate [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► state in a way that that they weren't [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► before [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► ya a call i mean the color changes to [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► iOS 10 i think i've been one of the the [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► biggest improvements upon the flat [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► design because you do it's like okay we [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► can't use depth inside our buttons to [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► show what's on what's off so let's [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► actually use really bright vivid nice [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► colors and you sell them kind of [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► experimenting with that in the original [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► music app and its really come kind of [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► full circle now and you can kind of even [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► see where they're going by looking at [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► the new music app and the new maps app [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► in terms of that like Boulder to Boulder [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► design and using bright colors for for [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► each of the entries i like that so much [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► more than just here is black and here's [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► gray alright here's one i got like I was [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► like by my most explosive we popular [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► tweet of the month was just the simple [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► observation that the night shift button [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► in control center again as an unusual [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► prominence and others screen real estate [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► large I don't understand like I never [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► ever want to use this feature i don't [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► like it i understand lots of people do a [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► very popular with some people but I [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► don't understand why it's so much more [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► prominent dense than any of the five [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► things at the top airplane mode Wi-Fi [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► Bluetooth do not disturb and then [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► rotation lock especially because night [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► shift should be set automatically right [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► right like did to go at a certain time [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► right if you really like the feature why [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► in the world wouldn't you have it set to [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► and on at sundown it's I wonder if it's [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► a placeholder for something that's what [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► an awful lot of people suspect is that [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► it's a placeholder but what is it that [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► they think it's a placeholder for I [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► don't know there is something there's an [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► it's not occurring to me [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► yeah i mean . you could you could argue [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► play/pause button instead of the music [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► having its own [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► well that's the thing that's what I'm [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► going that yeah they're people because i [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► used to be room there for the little [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► playback controls hm and people that [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► does seem like one change that I think [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► has merit and it's not just the [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► resistance to change but that seems to [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► me like real people are not happy with [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► the playback controls being on a second [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► screen [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► yeah I don't haha I don't mind it so [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► much it's just it's the problem of [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► discovery right where people who are [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► used to control center just having one [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► pain they pull it up and they don't see [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► the tiny dots at the bottom they just [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► see the fact that there are no music [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► control so they automatically assume [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► that the music app just you can't [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► control it from control center anymore [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► it would be nice to be able to edit the [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► control center though to make capital [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► center something where you can configure [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► it to be just what you use [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► I completely agree to me maybe that's [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► the the placeholder for night shift some [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► people I'd I've also seen some people in [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► response to my tweets a why can't it be [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► like Notification Center we're just you [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► know you pull down from the top and [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► notification center is full screen [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► why doesn't control center full screen [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► there be room for everything on one [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► screen and i think that the obvious [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► answer to that is especially with the [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► plus you can't reach the stuff at the [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► top [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► yeah you know that it's it seems very [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► clearly designed to me that it's meant [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► to be reachable with one thumb and then [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► you know so therefore it really [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► shouldn't can't be full screen [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► yeah and if you try you can't use reach [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► ability when control centers active you [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► can with notification center but not [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► with control center reach abilities a [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► good one so I wrote in my iphone 7 [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► review that I had to turn reach ability [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► off because i found myself constantly [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► inadvertently invoking it [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► anecdotally asking around with a bunch [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► of friends on slack a the my friends a [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► lot of my friends have run into this [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► themselves and had to do the same thing [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► turn off readability and B they reported [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► that like the normals and their life I [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► God have been running into the same [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► thing and that the normal people have no [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► idea what the hell reach ability is and [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► that's just just don't know why their [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► screen is going down halfway [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► yeah I friend of the show John siracusa [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► said that his is mom and voted on her [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► iPad and his dad fixed it by restarting [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► the ipad but that it was so confusing [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► that it looked at it and I could see why [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► it seems that almost seems like a [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► drawing problem like if you run into is [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► a bizarre bug where the the computer is [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► drawing your screen halfway down [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► oh my god you run into this or no you [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► know I actually i was expecting to after [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► hearing a bunch of people get really [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► concerned about it with the new home [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► button and I actually haven't at all [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► I then maybe that's just because i have [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► used reach ability a fair amount when [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► i've been using the plus so I have [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► figured out kind of a way to trigger it [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► versus a way to just press the home [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► button the bigger problem that i've [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► actually been having and again this is [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► kind of a niche thing but I've had a [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► problem taking screenshots we're not [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► used to have no problem whatsoever but [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► because of the home button i now have [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► the same problem that i have on the [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► Apple watch where i have to press one [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► button and then the other to really make [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► the sure that the screenshot takes [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► especially if i'm doing something weird [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► like taking a picture of the camera app [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► while the camera app is open [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► I don't know why either I don't know why [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► in and subjective subjective preference [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► for the new home button versus the old [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► home button aside I find that my [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► screenshots have like a 50-percent [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► failure right now [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► uh-huh yeah neither the home button [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► takes me home before the screenshot [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► takes off or the power button hours off [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► with his friends and often or even get [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► off [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► I i found i have found the opposite [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► though I found that the only way I can [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► get it to work reliably is to [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► concentrate very hard [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► and simultaneously post you know very [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► with much concentration pressing both [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► buttons at the citizen it's even worse [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► on the plus model too because it's so [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► darn big [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► she's trying to time it is impossible [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► that's right anyway minor like those are [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► truly truly firstworldproblems yes and [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► not not a huge deal but but you know [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► it's things things that I certainly [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► wouldn't be adverse to an apple engineer [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► looking at and being like maybe we need [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► to adjust the timing [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► yeah I trying to think what else people [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► are complaining about like that might be [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► I yeah I hmmm on the iphone people i [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► mean people are complaining about the [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► home button behavior that aside or just [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► the feel of the home button but I i [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► don't know i really like the new home [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► button that's better for it [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► yeah what setting do you use i'm [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► currently i have the hardest click on [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► because I do let me just like the tap [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► the feel of the taptic engine so I like [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► having kind of that that Rumble when i [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► press it on the the home button but i [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► also like kinda III Matthew pans Reno [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► mentioned this in his review and I [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► thought that it was quite quite smart he [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► was saying oh I switch switch the the [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► severity of the taptic engine when i'm [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► doing things where I don't want to wake [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► up my baby or I want to do you know I [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► want to access the home button while i'm [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► on a podcast and I don't want to disturb [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► anybody and I'm like that's actually [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► brilliant because they're so there have [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► been so many times where i'm like i want [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► to test out an iphone or testing feature [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► in the middle of a podcast but but the [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► click on an old iphone especially if [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► you're doing it anywhere near the mic is [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► that is pretty prominent and it's it's [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► like a click on an old uh click on an [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► old trackpad or an old mouse i am still [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► firmly in the i prefer the old the hold [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► button a button and either it's been [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► enough time now that i think it's i [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► think it you know I forget when do I get [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► this one that I start using this must [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► have been three weeks three weeks yeah [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► but I can accept and Wi-Fi had that [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► feeling right from the start even just a [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► day in I was like I don't think I like [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► this I think [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► I prefer the other way but it's fine i'm [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► also on button button level three other [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► friend of the show though Ben Thompson [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► of strategic Rephaim is he loves the new [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► button and and that's where I'm going [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► with this is that it is very clear that [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► I don't like it as much other people you [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► Ben Thompson like it referred to the old [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► button been also is a proponent of [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► setting one he thinks that uh that [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► setting three is for people who want to [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► fake a button and that you should go [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► with the flow that it's not a not a [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► button and he likes it on setting number [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► one and so I on his advice i spent a day [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► and a half on setting one and I guess I [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► can kind of see it but then when I went [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► back to three I was like although this [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► is much nicer now I you know I just like [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► tactile sensation to this is like this [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► is the same reason why sometimes i will [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► just open up the date picker and just [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► play with it on the new models because [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► it's just like it's it's nice to feel [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► you on that i was thinking i I'm so glad [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► you said that because you mentioned with [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► the control center when you go to change [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► the brightness slider [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► yeah you if you miss you actually just [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► slide over to music [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► we should have a little tactic feedback [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► for the slider how that's a great idea [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► was a little tick tick tick [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► ya soon as you then you know that you've [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► got the little that the thing that you [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► actually slide em actually already have [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► the haptic and control center when you [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► slide up right you don't have a haptic [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► sliding side to side [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► well it would later no confirm for you [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► that you've you've got the oven or [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► whatever I i honestly think right now in [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► iOS 10 1002 I think we're on on the main [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► seed not tactic feedback is very I don't [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► want to say half hazard Lee implemented [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► but it's very much like the engineers [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► put in a bunch of potential things and [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► then left out a bunch of potential other [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► ones like let's see what sticks [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► let's see what people like let's see if [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► instead you know people might write and [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► say we hate all this tactic stuff but [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► every like there are places where i feel [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► like i should have tactic like in notes [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► tapping on a note to change to the [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► keyboard view I I wanted like a little [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► click there to let me know [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► I'm an editing view oh I'm out of [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► editing view or have you um no it's like [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► think it comes up like way and the way [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► that when you spin the datepicker it [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► feels like it's spinning in the [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► direction that you are spinning yeah the [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► keyboard when it slides up should have [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► like a slight chunk that would just [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► shake the signified yeah I had like a [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► slider phone and you'd you know like the [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► old palm pre you know obviously when you [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► slid the keyboard down it felt like [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► something was sliding down because it [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► was [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► mhm well and you have you have that [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► feeling for control center anyway so [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► it's a haptic that's already implemented [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► it was gonna go to any same as the [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► control central yeah [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► have you used this is my favorite haptic [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► maybe in the in the system if you go [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► over on the digital on the digital [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► keyboard on and you hold down not for [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► impressed mind you just long long press [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► on say the dash button it brings up a [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► little haptic to to change it from a [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► dash to an end to an end dash to an em [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► dash to a bullet and then when you're [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► sliding between those you have haptic [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► for all of those little those little [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► options and that is my favorite like as [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► soon as i discovered that that made me [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► look towards the future where I was [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► saying like where things are not so [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► haphazardly implemented and when perhaps [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► we might have the battery life to be [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► able to put the entire keyboard haptic [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► which I actually I really want to see a [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► a full haptic keyboard even just as a [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► proof of concept with the current taptic [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► engine because i think it would actually [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► be better not like obviously it's not [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► going to feel like a real keyboard but i [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► think it would be a lot better than [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► people currently think it might be [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► yeah I have that on the Moto X this is [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► that my at my most real i guess i'm [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► waiting for to google announces next [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► week but yeah it's the most recent [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► android device i bought it from december [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► 2014 and it's the one that you could you [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► could pick what the material on the back [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► is never known [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► yeah that's a real gimmick but anyway [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► that if this phone has a haptic feedback [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► on the keyboard but it has no [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► directional sense at all [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► you know like so whether you're in that [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► the queue at the top left or the m [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► at the bottom right it's the same tap [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► whereas it seems like apples got [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► something and then new phones that has a [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► little bit of a you know X and y-axis [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► oh yeah there's definitely a rotational [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► motor and you kind of feel that even [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► just doing 3d touch on the home screen [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► or if you tap on something in sort of [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► the bottom right corner that's gonna [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► pull up a pull-up a widget going upwards [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► you can actually feel it going up as [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► opposed to pressing at the top of the [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► screen and having a widget going down [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► and I don't know how much of that is [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► brain trickery and how much of that is [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► actually the motor like jiggling in a [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► certain direction but it's it's nifty i [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► can't i have to imagine that they looked [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► into it and just either they weren't [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► satisfied and therefore didn't release [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► it or there's something had to have [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► tried it because yeah for all the things [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► that you know if we're going to start [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► putting haptic feedback in the OS the [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► keyboard had had to have been on the top [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► of the list of things to try [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► well that's I think that's got to be [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► their eventual goal like when they [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► talked about putting that the taptic [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► engine way back in the first generation [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► of the Apple watch that was my first [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► thought is I'm like this is this is our [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► our our slow path to getting a fully [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► haptic keyboard and having that work [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► properly but I I have to imagine that [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► happening is not quite where they want [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► it where they actually want to go to put [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► it on the keyboard because I think I [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► imagine their eventual goal is to [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► combine haptics with the pressure [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► sensitivity of the screen and really [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► like in a way that what 3d touch is [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► currently doing but if you can actually [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► feel depth which you can sort of with 3d [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► touch but not really and it requires a [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► much bigger touch target area but if you [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► could feel depth on those tiny little [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► keys like that that is potentially a [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► game-changer for mobile keyboards and [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► it's you know it it would have to be [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► done exactly right we feel like gimmick [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► and right now the the taptic engine and [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► does feel a little a little static but [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► the potential is there [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► the potential is there and you know I [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► said I i can tell it's not ready yet but [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► i still want a third-party keyboard that [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► just doesn't all have to keyboard just [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► for fun because i think it would be a [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► blast [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► I can't help but think it's coming i do [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► think iíve said [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► many times over the years that it it [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► often matters what's what stacked on 5 [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► 10 years 15 years after something was [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► created as opposed to what was there [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► from the outset and hurt the force touch [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► and the haptic feedback to me has that [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► sort of it would be different and more [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► pervasive if it had been there right [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► from the original iphone you know it's [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► like like in the original iphone every [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► single control every every single [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► standard user interface control was was [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► reimagined from what that looks like on [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► the mac to accommodate the difference [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► between a touchscreen with a big fat [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► finger as opposed to a mouse and [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► keyboard and mouse pointer system where [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► you have this pixel level precision so [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► things like [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► things like [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► the the datepicker right where you get [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► it this spinning control on iOS as [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► opposed to a drop-down menu that you let [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► you get on [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► I think that if they had if they had a [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► 3d touch from the beginning every [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► control would have some sort of haptic [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► feedback whereas like you said the arrow [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► like you said now it seems like half the [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► teams went through and added some have a [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► pic feedback any other some of the other [TS]