171: ‘Prisoner’s Dilemma Multitasking’, With Special Guest John Moltz
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maybe the Cubs are in the world series
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again every goddamn here right now isn't
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it annoying the same shit every year but
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it's getting you know as a sort of
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Mariner span that's getting pretty
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no its back when the Cubs are there
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yeah quick haha well okay
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pretty soon it's just gonna be us it is
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starting like this way I don't like
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baseball anymore and what you're
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Cleveland Cleveland can't stop winning
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no fair and all the championships tell
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yeah it's rigged just like the election
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but that's like they like it but he's
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right you know the system is flawed are
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I am fine and how are you good little
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yeah it started like there was it like
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there these days
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59 58 59 but yeah it's about what is
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can't complain yeah i'm in the basement
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though so it's cool it's cool down here
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i'm at my office is chilly it is i
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actually I've you know I'm a very
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delicate individual and sensitive to
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minor fluctuations in temperature but
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i'm at the the north end of the house
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and so I get that my office gets a does
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not get the sunlight and then I've that
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makes the difference you know what its
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temperate throughout the the main floor
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of the house is a little chilly in here
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yeah well I podcast in the basement and
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usually it's about the same all year
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round i would say my office is up in the
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what is was the Attic it's reef is a
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finished attic and it is it was boiling
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on the summer and freezing cold in the
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winter and there's like there's like
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three days on either you know where
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those to meet where it's decent so kind
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it's a great place you later the
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boiling-hot part is a particularly nice
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place to have a bunch of computer
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that's very good it's good for the
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equipment really yeah yeah everything
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I've know about computers it's very very
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good for them to be and and be subject
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to where you know wild temperature
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changes wire wires and things love that
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so I'm looking forward to thursday
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yeah I will be flying out tomorrow we're
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recording on Tuesday show will air i'll
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probably posted from an airplane
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tomorrow i'm sure that will work
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perfectly well and then i will be there
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on Thursday i'm excited i feel like i
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feel like this is a good one because we
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don't we don't know what the hell is
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going on really no not really not really
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i mean there's been there's been some
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rumors about the the new macbook pro
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right after the only thing I know about
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yeah I feel like everything else is sort
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of unknown you know like there are
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rumors that there's going to be a new
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another new we'll get to all this detail
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but there's rumors that there's going to
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be another in addition to the macbook
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pro 13-inch macbook of some sort whether
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this is an updated air whether it's a
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new 13-inch regular retina macbook which
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makes no sense to me
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we don't know yeah but i'm in the market
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are you really yeah because my macbook
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air is a 2012 10 so that's that's good
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yeah so yes this is really exciting for
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you yeah i mean i was thinking that
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maybe I would get this year's macbook
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when I came out the spring but obviously
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that wasn't quite not big enough
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update it's a beautiful little machine
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it yeah so nice it really is the most
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beautiful mac that Apple's ever made
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every time i see at the apple store and
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I just you know I told you and I told
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you but if you listen to the show but
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whoever the guests for the last few
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weeks that we had a word problem with
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Amy's Apple watch where the bank him
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often and we went right and I picked it
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up and I've been in the apple store a
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lot recently and every time I walk by i
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always think god damn that's a nice
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little laptop yeah
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and you with your feelings on the
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I could live with it i'm def a'ight I'd
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I haven't spent significant time like i
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never got like a review unit of the
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regular macbook so I've never spent like
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a significant amount of time on it but
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I'm sure that i could get used to it
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anything that has actual physical keys
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i'm sure i could get used to I think you
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in the hypothetical future where they go
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to some kind of touchscreen like surface
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for the keyboard to make it even thinner
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i might have a serious problem then but
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yeah I'm going to have a problem with
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that tail up until that point i'm sure i
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could get used to it because I like I do
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like and it's you know it's funny
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because I'd like a real old-fashioned
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mechanical keyboard right but that's
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just what I prefer so anything less than
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that is it's you know fine it's it's not
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what I prefer but it's fine
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yeah yeah I think I think for me the via
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the baseline is some motion but the
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glass is not it's not really gonna cut
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it i was i was at a tremor I think this
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was when Hank broke the screen of his
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iphone 6s yes success and over the
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summer we went in there and one of the
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genes that was helping me was typing on
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her iPad and just like I mean look like
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65-70 words a minute and it was crazy
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you do that I guess you know maybe
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people maybe people now you know the
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kids these days maybe coming up learning
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how to type on glass screens much faster
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yeah I've spoken to some people at Apple
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have said and this is like from a couple
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years ago that yes that you know and and
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like in the interim since i've had this
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discussion with people at Apple they've
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come out with the the smart keyboard
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cover for ipad which has physical moving
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Keys so it's not like they're saying hey
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you know we don't need physical moving
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Keys but that you know don't understand
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if you say you can't type on an iPad
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don't don't assume that means everybody
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can't type and the younger it goes the
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more you know the more natural it seems
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because it's just what they grew up with
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ya now in your you're missing a thumb
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yes that is correct so i would think
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that's even harder
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and am I left my life I mean it's that
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mrs. there it's just kinda hanging on by
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a thread right exactly you know where it
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is i do have I did suffer an injury and
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I don't know what happened my left ring
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finger feels like the the first knuckle
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I at least come dummies when I was in my
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spy high school basketball like you get
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a dummy finger-like so your finger
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wasn't broken didn't have a broken bone
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but we couldn't feel it now but you know
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like you haven't ya and basketball
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happens all the time you catch up all
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the wrong way but if it you know you it
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would swell up at the knuckle real bad
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ok and you wouldn't be able to like flex
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it all the way but you know you could
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like tape it up and it be alright it's
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just one of those little things when you
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get old and stuff doesn't heal quickly
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like I don't know what happened but I
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know it was over summer though because i
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know that i noticed it when my family
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was on vacation in this so this was like
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early August and I was like I don't know
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what the heck I did like if I jammed it
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on a door or what the heck i did but i
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noticed i woke up one morning my left
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index finger was swollen and hurt like
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small enough that I wouldn't be able to
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get my wedding ring off you know i still
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and now it's the end I looked over yeah
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still can't and it's alert a little bit
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and it seems like the sort of thing like
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when I was like 17 like you I could stay
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it would be injured ten times worse like
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like a golf ball swollen and three days
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later would be back to normal
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you really like me in trouble you're
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gonna be trouble in trouble with Amy
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lesia get the jaws of life out here
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you realize if you do realize i realize
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as as I rock it through been into deeper
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into my forties that when you're a young
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person you really are sort of your sort
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of like halfway to like being like
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wolverine if you don't appreciate it at
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the time but as you get over you
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definitely don't appreciate it
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yeah yeah I find I found that I like I'm
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you know a bit older than you but i
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bruise i get these bruises now and they
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don't they just like stick around for
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like a month they were hurt or anything
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but it's like where it had that happen
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and.and what I want to go away i have
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the same thing I will occasionally pick
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up a bruise like on the back of my elbow
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right and it's like I don't remember it
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hitting anything I don't get something
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happens while asleep and they don't
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don't go away like they just gonna roll
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over too fast and boom I got a bruise
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so what do we know we did alright so
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what's coming at this event the matter
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of prose is the guarantee right that's I
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guess the one thing that we've seen some
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pictures of him there have been fairly
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hefty rumors about ya German I think
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maybe gets credit for breaking at first
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with this they're replacing the f keys
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above the keyboard with some kind of
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some kind of touchscreen I don't know
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somebody at some point somebody says
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it's an oled I don't know if that's true
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or not that will tie into the next
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discussion about the we called the
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google pixel that I that I got last week
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because i gotta tell you i still even
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though people say they like this pixel
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display I still don't like the colors on
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an oled display but that over like
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that's neither here nor there right now
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some kind of touchscreen strip and the
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idea would be that it's therefore
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because its software you could you know
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if photoshop could put like a bunch of
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tools up there or presumably you know
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maybe like you know a word processor
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could put style stuff you could just
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like a bowl button or something like
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yeah I don't know so 13-inch 15-inch
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macbook pros they're supposed to be
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thinner and then there is a case leaking
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did you see this thing there's somebody
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in China leaked a like the top of the
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case or the unibody enclosure and I
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think according to the leak
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it's like it's got four USB seaports
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like 21 inside still has a headphone
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jack and then that's it
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so no more USB ports USB a is the the
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traditional big sort of rectangular
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rectangular one yeah USB port that we've
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known and loved since the imac
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1998a so no more USB a ports and no more
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no more what else is the macbook pro
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have I think it has hdmi right i guess
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so i think hdmi is the one the one that
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I'm always trying to plug something into
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it and it doesn't work so that's the
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rumor and that's probably true but
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because it sounds right to me
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yeah yeah it makes it that makes some
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sense and I you know I been using a
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macbook air for years but if it's
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thinner i might go back to the 13-inch
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macbook pro yeah hdmi there is on the
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current one power to USB the heck is
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that one so i think i don't know how
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this is that some of the stuff that I
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feel like I'm getting old them out of
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date on some of this stuff so it us bc i
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know based on the retina macbook that
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you can use USBC for lots of stuff so it
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you know the retina macbook has one port
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it's USBC it uses its charge and it uses
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it to connect to a display and it uses
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it because you can do like a thunderbolt
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over us bc and it uses it obviously to
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connect any USB peripherals you wanted
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to connect to like so if if this new
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macbook pro he only has four USB
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seaports then if you wanted to like plug
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it into power and plug in a peripheral
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and plug it into a display would you be
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able to use any of these ports to plug
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the display into or is there going to be
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like what this is the you know you got
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to use this top left one for the display
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that's a good question i would think
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you'd be able to use any of them but I
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don't you know in the past that some of
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them have been differences in the USB
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ports like some of them have different
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at different power output
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yeah I don't know and how would they
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differentiate it seems very unhappily
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like to to require you to remember that
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these four PS that look the same
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actually are different i mean i guess
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what they could do is is print like a
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little I don't know some kind of little
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icon next to the one that you know but
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that doesn't seem right seems like you
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should be able to use any of them for
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anything but I don't know if
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electronically that works out I don't
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yeah i'm gonna guess that's it yeah it
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is that's just part of the the is Apple
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doing the lightning or not the Lightning
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DM what's the line what does USBC have
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the Thunderbolt in it
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yes yeah but I mean but is that Apple's
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doing is that the USBC and standard I
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think it's the USB standard forget as
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something something to do with intel
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okay well then then I don't know why
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they wouldn't all have it right
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i-i-i it sounds like good update to me I
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i don't know i mean and suppose you know
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the whole thing is going to be thinner
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presumably one of the reasons they're
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getting rid of us ba is just because it
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by today's standards that's a big fat
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port i'm not saying that the device is
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actually on the device is obviously not
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going to be no matter how thin it is
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it's not going to be so thin that they
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couldn't put a USB a port in but i think
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it you know you could I think it's
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probably going to be thin enough for us
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ba would look ugly
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yeah and you know we all know that most
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important thing when you buy computers
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making sure that the port's look nice
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vga is gonna be a vga port there will be
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a dongle for be too big and I've always
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been a little rice the vga port I've
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even used it I have you know i still use
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some standalone camera so I you know I
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have SD cards and i have used it you
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know the SD to SD slot on my macbook pro
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on occasion I've always thought it was a
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little surprising that Apple put an SD
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card slot in the mac book pro
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just because and it's then you know and
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to do though it seems to me like if you
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want to use a card you know they they
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want you to be punished by having to use
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a dongle and i say that i'm being a
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little facetious but it's just add on
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minimalism on these ports to an extreme
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and adding it SD card slot built-in it's
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sort of unusual for Apple yeah yeah
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still on the imac to yeah i use that to
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I've already said that's my favorite
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game to play on the imac is plugin yeah
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well that's the thing yeah and we know
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on the back of the device that becomes
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very difficult i've gotten very good at
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it i've gotten very good at sitting at
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my desk not being able to see get an SD
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card list into the into this last night
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I can't even plug USB he's in the back
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of mine i tweeted that and a bunch of
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people I hadn't thought about this
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because I never owned one of the side
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loading imax you know before they got
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the real thin sides that slot was on the
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side which is in theory the SD card was
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oh really ok and i miss that they also
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had CD slots over there though and so
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apparent a real cop common problem it
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was a Perry I mean I you wouldn't
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believe how many organs that he's like
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yeah that's it everybody played along
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with my idea that this was a great game
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and they're like it gets home and it's a
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good way to lose all of your lives you
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just tuck it in and the second you let
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go of it and like you know forget it all
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the way in you realize what you've done
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that's terrible and then you got to fish
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it out ya better had better to have it
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on the back so yeah macbook pro and and
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then everything else is just up and hear
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yeah so there is there's rumors of a new
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13-inch model and this is to me where
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we're being you are in our pundit points
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because the data macbook pros a little
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self explanatory but what is this
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13-inch macbook pro some people are
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calling it a macbook air
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in chi kuo of KGI securities or rivers
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company's called the analyst who gets
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gets a lot wrong actually
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philip elmer-dewitt as an interesting
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scorecard for his like three years of
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predictions but his iphone stuff is
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yeah usually he gets wrong that the
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timing right it's not that great on
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timing any and he's like everybody you
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know he's really is that not an apple
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analyst so much as an appellation supply
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chain analyst like his sources are very
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clearly it's almost transparent that is
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sources are from the agent supply chain
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so he doesn't get things like product
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marketing because the agent supply chain
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doesn't know that stuff like that like
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what's the name of the device going to
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be they don't know that until the last
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minute and they start printing it you
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know on the devices and a string of
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pricing and stuff like that nobody knows
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pricing is like the top held secret that
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Apple like there's only you know bro
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very seldom leaks because i don't think
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it ever really leaves you know it from
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in between like shoulders group and tim
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cook you know and then
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well surely jeff williams but you know
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it's like a top people type thing right
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and i was making the webpage so he could
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he's been calling it a macbook air for a
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while a new 13-inch or maybe he's been
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calling a macbook I don't know but the
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idea that they would make a 13-inch
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macbook like the 12-inch MacBook makes
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no sense to me like 30 no i don't
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understand that either I you need like
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two inches to have a separation that
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will make sense Lena like oh yeah i can
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see this 13-inch is sort of like a
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regular size and 15 inches big and this
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oh and this 11 inches tiny 12 and 13 or
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way too close to each other so that
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doesn't make any sense to me
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plus it doesn't seem like I mean it
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seems like it's a little early to to
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bring out a new macbook right because
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the current ones only came out i think
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in April right right right so if your
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loads so then the speculation is that
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it's an error right and you know some
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people have speculated nobody seems to
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be willing to commit not not in chi
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quote not German nobody is saying well
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what kind of display this thing has
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which is inconspicuous to me because it
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would like so they're just not
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mentioning it meaning does it have a
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Retina display which is certainly what
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people who are hoping for a retina
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macbook air hoping for if it doesn't
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have a Retina display is the display
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improved at all versus the existing
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macbook airs because there's things i
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think like I don't think they're I
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forget there's certain technical things
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even if it doesn't go right now that
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could be improved in the macbook air
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display like I think like IPS and stuff
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ok I don't know nobody knows that's why
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the idea i guess is that if it needs
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that I'm a little surprised that they're
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I've been under the assumption that the
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macbook air is only hanging around to
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occupy price points like a trait that
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899 that the 11-inch started a 999 13
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and started at and that there's no other
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reason for those devices to exist and so
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that Apple's would just keep selling the
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old ones as long as keep people keep
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buying them exactly like the there's
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still that old macbook pro that has a
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spinning CD drive that apple sells they
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don't really advertise it they don't
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have it out in the apple stores but if
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you go online you can still buy it that
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has a CD drive even I think so let me
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check the port definitely has definitely
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has a spinning hardly has any hard drive
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maybe it doesn't mean i think it's just
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a spinning hard right doesn't doesn't no
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it does not have a CD drive all right
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yeah don't have a floppy drive was just
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behind as if it's got its got swappable
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bit is but you can take the zip right
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you can take the zip right about now and
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putting jazz drive-in is that what hours
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yeah yeah I got one of those upstairs
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jazz drive now i don't know i don't have
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the right idea i have an old our pal gym
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rank gave me is all done and what is it
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it's a it's a wall street
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what was it called powerbook yeah with
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the put the thing you could pop out i
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think i just wish that one hand that
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anyway it's a really old have a really
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old powerbook upstairs
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well anyway Apple still sells had some
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sort of ancient macbook pro that I can't
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even remember the details of that is
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only there because people keep buying it
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yeah i mean i would i would think that
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now is the time just to be going all
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retina and they would sweep away that
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one and then the air but these rumors
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seem to indicate maybe not
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there we go it's at the bottom of the
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macbook pro paige and i lost 1099
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dollars right so it is a as a 500
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gigabyte 5400 RPM hard drive so that's
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what i was thinkin of ya i guess it's
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like some of these apple products seemed
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to me like products from the past like I
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don't I can't imagine like I splurged
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when i bought the item that is my imac
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is almost two years old now but that was
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the last device i've bought where I was
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maybe possibly even thinking vaguely I
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might still get a spinning hard drive I
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thought maybe about because it the
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upgrade to get like a full one terabyte
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SSD was seriously expensive but of
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course i love to spend money so i just
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got it but it was the last time I even
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hesitated for a second and thought maybe
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i should just get the diffusion drive so
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I you know and I realized as i bought
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this imac that it will be the last that
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whatever the previous I back i bought
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was the last you know I'm never going to
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buy a spinning hard disk
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yeah in Thai inside of mac again yeah
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maybe on external drive you know just
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for backup or whatever but not inside
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and I don't think I've ever by person I
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would never buy another device without a
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mhm but yeah and so that's the end
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that's the other thing that's did the
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hard drive I would think that now would
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be a also a good time they probably all
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this they probably want to because it
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seems like it's too ubiquitous across
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several different product lines but to
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get rid of some dates some
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soon they need to get rid of the
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spinning drives fusions not bad fusion
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works fine but the solely spinning
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drives or I would never buy one night so
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the conundrum i see i thought that maybe
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the air would just stay as it is with it
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screaming non retina displays and just
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sit at those price points until the
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retina macbook could be sold for like
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999 and then they would just get rid of
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that there's would just suddenly
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disappear and be maybe a at whatever
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point in the future this happens a year
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old retina macbook that sells it 999 or
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899 even a newer retina macbook with
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better specs that sells at 1299 or 1399
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you know that's what I expected but it's
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you know based on these rumors it seems
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as though the air might be sticking
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around but yeah then is it going to be
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called a rep macbook air
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I don't know yeah the macbook starts of
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1,300 bucks so it'll still a little
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pricey too and I'm not doesn't seem like
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doesn't seem like they would they could
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drop just so merrily take three hundred
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dollars off right now and it only came
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out in April so that you just wait you
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know six months later it's a we highly
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unusual for Apple to drop a product by
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thirty percent price so yeah whatever it
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is it's about the commander sent it just
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doesn't seem possible but then what
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price would this macbook be this is the
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problem I see is if it's a retina
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what price does it start at because if
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it starts at nine ninety-nine that seems
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like a great deal and it doesn't seem
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preposterous given that there are
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competing products from other companies
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you know that have roughly the similar
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specs like I think like let's just say
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like a microsoft surface which has you
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know I think roughly air quality you
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know the cpu from Intel and has a Retina
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screen and it's you know as a starting
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price under a thousand dollars so it's
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not it's not like I'm you know again you
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whenever your own show we all would
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often play let's spend Tim Cook's money
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we're not just saying let's make it 99
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you know because worst we're not based
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on reality it seems like based on on
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laptops from other companies that you
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could do a Retina screen on a 999 device
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yeah but if they did that who buys you
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know what that meant to me that makes
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the the regular macbook at 1299 look too
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expensive whoo yeah it sure does
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especially since it's slower and I
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realized it slower because it to be that
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thin it has a fanless design and so it's
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got like this entirely different uses an
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entirely different chipset from Intel
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that is designed so that it could run
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and fanless Lee and never overheat and
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the air uses like this mid-range chip
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chip set that is low power compared to
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like the pros but not so low power that
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it doesn't need a fan
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yeah i don't know i mean they yeah they
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have spent I mean there's been a number
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of years where they've their entry
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laptop was 99 right and somewhere was
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even more than that I think but that was
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yeah and they are in an era where it's
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increasingly hard to sell computers so
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moving your starting price point up a
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mm I don't know if that's good i mean
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that's not going to be great if you want
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to move units and there's a compounded
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with this is another rumor about
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Thursday's update to the mac line that
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the 11-inch air is going to just quote
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yeah I wouldn't be surprised if no I
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wouldn't either if it did if it vanished
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but I also wouldn't be surprised if it
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sort of goes the way of that
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13-inch ancient macbook pro that we were
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talking about where it goes away in
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terms of it it really is never going to
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be updated again not even like a minor
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spectra fresh but that they'll keep
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selling it as is and not even really
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promote it but it's there
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you can go into every budget yeah maybe
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the justifier even drop the price to 799
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yeah that would be really kind of
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amazing cuz I don't think they've ever
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but I don't think they've ever been that
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well no I think 899 is the lowest apples
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ever so yeah man
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for and that's you know that's been the
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11-inch air for a while laptop
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Yeah right right not counting something
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incomplete like the mac mini yeah like a
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complete blacktop system that you can
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just open the box and use em think it's
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not missing you know has no ram it has
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no ramp at all for gags a lot it doesn't
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have a battery kind of like it in
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everywhere you go and plug in an
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external art do you remember do every
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years ago there was a rumor about a
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crank powered man and i have left out
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that no I don't think side like the one
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has lab animals like with that after
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after jobs and come back and I think
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after the imac had been introduced
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there were these rumors coming around
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about the ibook and what it was going to
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be and and wanna influence like one of
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the crazier rumor sites was that it was
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it was going to be it was going to crank
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and what a boon that would be to people
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because you know for all those instances
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where you're running shine like if
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you're camping such comments of area
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right right and you need to use your
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laptop you can just crank power it so i
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know that there are build to order
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options I can make these prices higher
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but right now looking at the bio macbook
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air page there's two 11-inch error
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standard configs 899 and then you up two
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hundred dollars to 1099 and you get
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double the storage you go from 128 256
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and doesn't look like you can doesn't
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look like you get anything else that's
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about the only difference and then
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there's a 13-inch macbook air that
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higher 1199 call it twelve hundred
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dollars and I think the only difference
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there is double the storage from 128
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flash 256 yeah and it's weird to me that
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the 13-inch comes in eight games of
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comes with a case of memory in the 11th
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is not right i don't know i guess he had
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selected though can you
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you can configure yeah you can tell you
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can figure out you can see you get up it
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and you can see significantly upgrade
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the cpu you can go from a 1.6 core i5 to
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a 2.2 core i7 yeah and I don't stay up
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to date on all that stuff anymore but I
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mean I know enough about the basic just
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that going from core i5 core i7 is
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pretty significant perform yes upgrade
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right but they're not the standard
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configs and I feel like the standard
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configs really matter but what I'm
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guessing if i had to guess what Apple is
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going to do is I'm thinking that the
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entry-level 13-inch macbook air will
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still not have a Retina screen and I
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guess if that's true that they're
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getting rid of the 11 maybe it the
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13-inch macbook air will now start at
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eight ninety-nine but that it's a non
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retina screen and that if you want to
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get right now you're going to have to
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pay at least like 1,200 bucks yeah and
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then but it still seems weird to me that
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you could pay like around 1,200 bucks to
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get a 13-inch macbook air with all these
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ports and then there's the 12 inch
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retina macbook at this
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thirteen hundred dollar starting price
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like it just seems weird to me that
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there that they're doing a new retina
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the other thing i could see is that they
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upgrade is the other thing I can see is
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they upgrade the 13-inch macbook air to
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whatever the latest core i7 whatever
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mobile chipset is from Intel but they
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don't even really talked about it on
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thursday they just upgrade it on the
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website and it still doesn't have a
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Retina screen and anybody who wants to
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bitch about the fact that it doesn't
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ever at the screen you know by different
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by a different look
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mhm yeah that seems to make the most
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sense to me because that can imagine i'm
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going to take the trouble putting a
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retina into the air this point right and
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I feel like you can argue well there's
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other come you know the argument that
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hey like the microsoft surface has a
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retina caliber screen and it's only 999
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dollars or whatever and
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you know Dell makes these things with
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you know whatever they call read the
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screens and they're cheap and it's like
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you know apples never competed at the
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low end on price and if anybody gets the
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short end of the stick from Apple it's
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absolutely the people who are more
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budget-conscious that's just the way the
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company is yeah you know it's the
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company is optimized in my opinion for
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people who are looking for the best
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products not not the lowest price
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yeah because the other thing too is in
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addition to the just the fact that the
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regular retina macbook is relatively
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know it's clearly what Apple thinks the
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future of laptops are there's also just
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the simple fact that they gave it the
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name macbook or hate it's like it yeah
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it's not like we're reading interests
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it's not like it's hard to read into
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that that by calling it just plain
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macbook with no adjectives that Apple is
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saying you know maybe not now but soon
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this is the standard this is what you
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this is what the standard apple laptop
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is yeah and it really is weird to have
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one's called air that are thicker and
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heavier like it makes no sense
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well yeah that mean that's just seems to
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be wide it's obvious that it seemed
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obvious at least that it was going away
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right so it seems very strange that
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there's these rumors that it's standing
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around I mean the other thing is they
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did it wouldn't be the first time that
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they have updated a model that's only
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been out for like six months because
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they did it with the ipad yeah they did
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that with the ipad 33 right and any ipad
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for came out like six months later
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because i have three was sort of sort of
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thicker you know it was the first
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retinol i believe right yeah I could see
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it you know and again with the pc stuff
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it seems you know that I don't think
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that they're anywhere near as
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constrained you know a component wise as
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they are with especially the iphone but
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probably the ipad 2 where they kind of
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need to get their ducks in a row and has
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a look we're going to have you know 70
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million of these system-on-a-chip for
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the next year for all these iphone 7 and
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are all going to be exactly the same
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like I don't I think with the macbook it
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you know it's not anywhere near is you
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know we need to be making the exact same
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device for an entire year just to break
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even on the on the manufacturer
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mhm a lot but i would like to see which
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is probably not going to happen though
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is it is an 11-inch macbook air 13-inch
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macbook like I kind of want to the fact
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that they've the fact that they've done
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a 12-inch now though that doesn't seem
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like that's gonna happen
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yeah and i'm not sure how the I've never
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actually put like the 12-inch next to
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the 11-inch macbook air and just seen
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how they compare because i think that
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the display does kind of go more edge to
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edge on the macbook like footprint wise
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they might be very similar
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yeah i think they are so I kind of feel
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I mean it seems like I mean I you know
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I've only played with one a few times
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but it does not seem demands probably
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larger than the 11 chair
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yeah let's see what the text back so
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yeah we can find that out so it is 11
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inches the macbook is 11 inches wide and
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7.74 deep all right at the 11-inch
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macbook air is 11.8 inches wide and 7.5
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six inches deep so on dad yet it's
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almost the same but it is right it is a
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eight tenths of an inch narrower the but
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that the 12-inch MacBook is narrower oh
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yes for the other way around I'm an
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idiot now yeah it was it but it's been
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traumatic but it's only for smaller
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right well but it's deeper right yeah
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but just by a little bit right so maybe
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with that design maybe what it would be
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would be a 14-inch you know maybe 12 12
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inch and 14 and 14 i can see that and
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then it may be the mirrors are wrong
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calling it third rage calling 13 because
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maybe it's one of those things where
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it's like I don't know 13-point
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something and apples just going to get
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close enough to 14 that Apple is going
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to call it 14 yeah I could
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as a way to square this circle as well
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if the truth is that there is no update
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to the macbook air and what they're
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going to do is unavailable big brother
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to the 12 inch retina macbook i can see
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that maybe even have a second USBC port
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yeah and then you have a laptop set 12
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yeah that kind of makes some sense and
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suppose although i don't know if it
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makes sense for the consumer ones to cut
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quote-unquote have larger displays than
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the pro ones I don't know
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well I think some people some people
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seem to like that 13 inch air
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I've always been and always liked the
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smaller one but you know people who just
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want more screen real estate right for
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people who don't see the wealth i used
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an 11-inch for years and many years at
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least five years for 5 years four years
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i think and loved it but my thinking at
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the time was if you're going to go small
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and then go small and thin as you can
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and get light so i got a maxed-out
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performance-wise 11 chair and then when
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i switch to a 13-inch macbook pro two
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years ago it was on the basis of if I'm
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gonna carry something thicker and
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heavier i might as well get the the pro
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and get the performance rather than the
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yeah yeah and I mean that I'm in that
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quandary right now because my so my air
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is forward years old and then my my imac
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upstairs have two machines upstairs
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let's do it used for a sort of media
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server things one is a 2010 macbook pro
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and then the other one is a 2007 imac
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and those are definitely definitely
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showing their age so I'm kind of liking
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that that space where I was like am I
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going to buy another like the low-end
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laptop just to carry around and do
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writing with or am I gonna split the
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differentiating and get together get the
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pro and do whatever power stuff i need
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to do on that well any other thing too
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is that by all accounts the pro I mean
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of course the pros getting thinner
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because that's what Apple does as they
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make stuff thinner
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read the when they finally got you know
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the current models when they are the
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world's first ones that you don't even
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have the option of getting a spinning
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hard disk in because they're actually
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too thin you have to use SSD the new
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ones are going to be even thinner so
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they're getting as thin as the air is
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used to be even if they're not
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wedge-shaped I mean they're getting
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there certainly approaching that like
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that so the air is getting squeezed out
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to me in almost every way imaginable
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it's getting squeezed out on thinnest by
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the pros it's getting squeezed out on
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you know retina screen by the macbook
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the name macbook tells you that you know
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it's becoming the standard default
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laptop everything other than having a
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low price and if the whole point is to
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have a low price
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I don't see how it's going to get a read
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the screen just because it makes the
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other ones look bad but yeah what people
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i guess the other thing we're talking
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around is the fact that there are tens
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of thousands of people listening to this
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podcast right now who desperately want
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Apple to just make a macbook air with
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retina screen probably true
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right but I really don't think it's
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gonna happen it reminds me of the switch
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from the classic mac OS to Mac os10 in a
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way where what diehard mac users really
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wanted was a new version of the mac OS
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that was you know just had the the
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Colonel just give us like a real
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operating system with you know
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pre-emptive are not pre-emptive
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multitasking with right you know real
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multitasking instead of cooperative or a
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pre-emptive is the good multitasking
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cooperative multitasking was that was
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the euphemism right this is not very
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I would call it that prisoners dilemma
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multi-way about right way I can like me
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IDC i could just use the whole cpu but I
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mr. ask voluntarily not too
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hmm but I on that users really wanted
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I'm going to jail
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all the accuser's really wanted was a
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new version of the mac OS that had a
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stable modern you know
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yeah I'm Peter sighs perspective
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operating system and instead we we gotta
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think we've got everything was different
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and a lot of stuff that used to be fast
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was suddenly very slow to make it fancy
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etcetera etcetera and I sort of feel
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like Apple is doing the same thing with
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the transition from the macbook air to
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the macbook which is that what what many
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people I hear from them every time I
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bring it up on during fireballer on this
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podcast i hear all the time i see it on
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Twitter all the time is people like the
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I or love the macbook air and only thing
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they don't like about it is the non
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retina screen and so why doesn't Apple
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just just put our retina screen in the
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macbook air and they'll just buy it but
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I don't think it's where Apple wants to
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yeah well we're gonna do all right what
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about what about what about other other
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max well let's that got up after this
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mattress to the the offer code doesn't
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like the best thing i ever bought from a
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podcast so go check it out Casper calm /
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talkshow to say fifty bucks on any human
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floor that time he sleeps on that he
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Chester and I love that dog god damn i
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love that he was a mean little little
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love like a poodle mix forget what he
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was somewhere it was of it we gotta
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marry me pican easier mean Karen my wife
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had Pekinese growing up and yeah they
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were just seen by us look at ya
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make sure he didn't sleep on a dog
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mattress would have been to buy him a
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dog Patrick no other max yeah so this is
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where everybody seems to be fuzzy is
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that what else are they going to
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announce so the mac pro is hasn't been
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updated said last update according to
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last time that the mac pro was updated
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so it has been when it was when it was
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called DM the powermac 18 years
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encounter then it's unchanged in 18
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years now that is unusually long for the
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mac pro so yeah that 1i i would say most
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people would agree that the mac pro is
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due for it up there was blue right it
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was the right one
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I there are no rumors of a nut mac pro
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update but the mac pro is famously it's
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it made in America are manufactured in
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America so it's a completely different
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supply chain so any you know and I I
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can't help but think that it was going
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to turn out like five little quarter
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network very busy very busy operate like
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the easiest job in it is this job means
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every company guy what a graduate of its
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fully stocked all of this all the
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soldering himself just worn grooves on
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the dasi from those feet go up every day
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okay he's all cut up on westworld
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imagine the phone rings Tim Cook what
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oh no all the sudden it as the phone
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rings he hears like a truck backing up
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parts all over i would not be surprised
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i have absolutely no inside info nobody
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has said a damn word to me about any mac
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pro's I just common sense says to me
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that they've either got updated soon or
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they've got to just officially say you
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know not making anymore we're not making
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yeah but it just seems on you it just
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seems like they need to have this device
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yeah although how many I mean the late
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yeah they don't probably don't sell that
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many they're crazy expensive and they
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come with their own quirks but that
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there's a great looking device but but i
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still think that they really want to own
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or not own i'm not saying that they own
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it so but they want to be known as the
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leading computer maker for the
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quote-unquote pro industry whether it's
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professional video people people who are
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editing movies people who are
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professional photographers who are
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working with you know 50 gigabyte raw
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files you know wherever you you know
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whatever the program developers of
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course you know i think even for their
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it's a useful device i mean the imac is
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pretty fast and has a nice display but
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you know it developing software is still
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one of those things where having of the
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fastest cpu possible can definitely make
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you know your daily day-to-day life
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better so I i don't think that they it
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just seems unusual for me and I don't
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think they need to ever touch the
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industrial design again remember i
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should say ever but you know that
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macbook a macpro that looks exactly like
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the black cylindrical thing that we know
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it just has a new GPU and cpu yeah and
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you know all these modern ports like us
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bc and asset receptor just seems like
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something Apple should sell so i
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wouldn't be surprised at all if they
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have it ready to go on thursday and we
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just haven't heard about it because they
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were able to keep it secret because it's
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not going through the agent supply June
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that looks like a sieve right yeah well
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i think i think would be nice
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I mean I hope they don't i don't know
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I'm not in the market for one problem
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never gonna be in the market for one but
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I i agree with that sentiment that it
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seems like the kind of thing that they
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should keep making is sort of a even if
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it's just like putting a flag in the
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people who follow these intel chipsets
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you know that maybe the timing isn't
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really quite right for a new mac pro
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because like the last update to the z
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online of proteins and cpus was you know
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like may or something like that so you
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think that maybe if they were going to
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do it they would have done it in june
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and now they're sort of like only just a
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few months away from like the next one
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with called like gravy train or
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something like that I don't think apple
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is all that I i think at this point when
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they've gone this far between updates to
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Mac Pro's I i think if there's six
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months late on the latest xeon
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so what right i don't know yet there
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I don't know that they're looking at
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keeping the mac pro within a couple of
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weeks of the Intel cutting-edge yeah I
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don't know what do you think well I mean
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it depends on what else you're
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announcing with it maybe in and if
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they're announcing it within with new
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monitors then maybe that becomes the
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bigger story than right whatever
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processors in a that's exactly where I
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was headed ton so maybe the reason that
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they haven't updated the mac pro in such
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an absurdly long time is that they
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really wanted the quote-unquote next Mac
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Pro to work with the next a apple cinema
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display appetizing sold at this place in
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June since they discontinued the
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non-retina whatever they called it in
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another conspicuous absence from the
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apple product lineup is a retina pro
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display whenever they want to call it
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you know cinema display 5k whatever but
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you know something like the big imac
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display with retina resolution and the
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the high color gamut range and a simple
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it just works just plug this thing into
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your mac and you know you don't have to
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worry about plugging two or three cables
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in because you need to graphics cards to
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knit stitch together or whatever just
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solve all the problems of the bandwidth
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of driving the 5k retina display you
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worry about apple just give me a simple
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thing to plug in so maybe they were
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waiting for that and maybe they bought
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previously that maybe they'd have
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something like that ready earlier but it
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all kind of needs to come together it
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seems to me like some of this stuff is a
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it all needs to come at once and that
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sort of has maybe been the main cause of
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this unusual dearth of mac updates
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hardware updates yeah that they kind of
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want to move to this world where there's
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USBC ports that do thunderbolt and that
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can be connected to a 5k cinema display
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but it all kind of needs to come at once
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maybe yeah so I can i yeah it seems like
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I mean that's kind of their thing right
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i mean they don't know where
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other companies are happy to introduce a
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technology and say hey now we have this
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ok we have you have that but it doesn't
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work with everything else
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Apple wants to make sure that everything
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works you know at least you know in
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general works better together and
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creates and and creates a story that
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makes that tries to make that whole
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package compelling alright so so I think
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there's definitely something to that
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argument it's also the case i know a ton
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of people who connect their macbook pros
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to a display at their desk and that they
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therefore you know that so that like at
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work you have a nice big display in
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maybe two displays if you keep your
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macbook open on the side you could do it
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either way and then at the end of the
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day you can just disconnect the thing
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and take the macbook pro home with you
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and you just have the macbook pro i know
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tons of people who work like that
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I know that here and filling my friends
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and happy cog a great web development
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studio or web design studio they
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redesign the whole office around that
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concept they just everybody's desk all
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they have at their desk is a display and
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then everybody everybody gets a macbook
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pro and that's how everybody works you
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don't have to sit at the same spot every
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day you can just you know just walk up
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to any open display and plug it in and
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you get power and display nobody wants
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nobody wants designers don't want to
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work with non retina displays anymore
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I mean it actually is actually broken
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heart you you can't design retina
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graphics without a radio display I mean
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it's you know and developers you know I
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know that they were talking about an ATP
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this week we're akc list was talking
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about how he's trying to design the
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retina iphone apps on a non retina
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display and you end up doing you like to
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run the app on your phone and you
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realize there's all these graphics that
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are missing you can even see them on
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your display you know really it's it's
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you know it you can do it technically in
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the same way that you could you could do
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an illustration with your eyes closed
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right just just may not turn out right
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you don't have to wear your glasses yeah
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you just take a guess as to whether it's
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in focus and again they'll be they'll be
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crazy if they do come will be crazy
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oh I well I don't know but I mean they
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think well I don't know their to the way
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to expend more it I mean I will I will
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not be my one but what does what does
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the retina 5k imax started let's see
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it's not like 1500 dogs and it was
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exactly was gonna say 1,500 books
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27-inch imac with retina 5k display
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well now it's a little bit more
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expensive that starts in two hundred
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dollars okay i would think that they
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could sell that display without the
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computer inside for I don't know maybe
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twelve hundred dollars i don't know I
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knew but the onions and apples of 27
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inch display was 999 and it was kind of
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ridiculous about the end of its life
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that they were still readily hit 99 like
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that is part of what makes this
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laughable is I understand why Apple set
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a price and then keeps the price for the
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entire product lifetime as opposed to
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Del which sort of Dell's computers are
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sort of like the stock market where they
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get repriced everyday based on you know
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there are fluctuations
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it's true though it really is it's it's
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like you can come you know I mean you
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can configure the x-ray machine Adele
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like a week later and it's you know it's
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more like buying an airplane ticket like
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the paint anything about it and then
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lots of sales from other like-minded the
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time i bought my my kid up a pc laptop a
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few couple years ago for Christmas and
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and yeah like navigating that whole
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thing like well it's you know not only
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place this but this you know get this
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new coupon sale yeah okay great so I got
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you know I got what you know its do its
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it ostensibly the price was like 850 and
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i got it for 750 or something like that
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you got a coupon and a Retina display
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type in this code the I don't know if I
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should tell the story and i guess i will
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take that was one of the worst things
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I've ever it at worst I ever felt about
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myself in my life I was in college and
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this middle of the day and there's
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africa i can think of
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actually forget forget the name of the
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student union even though i spent like
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12 10 hours a day in the building
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because it was where this school
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newspaper was and I was going in and out
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of the building for reasons that I no
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longer remember but it was some kind of
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task it was like first maybe like first
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day of a new semester and there was
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something me and another colleague from
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the student newspaper at drexel we're
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doing where it required us to keep going
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back in and out of the building middle
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of the afternoon
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nice sunny day and there's some kid also
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a college kid obviously be taking a job
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from somebody to hand out little some
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kind of flyer two kids coming in and we
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weren't coming in like every minute or
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so is maybe like every 20 minutes or so
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and every time we went by he would offer
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them to us as though we've never seen us
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again and then there's this moment of
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recognition and it's like oh you guys
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again and do it and after like the
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seventh time and he did it again any was
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almost apologetic he I said what are
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these coupons coupons and he said
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they're there coupons and I said well I
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only take coupons my friend who i was
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with almost died of laughter he said I
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can't believe that guy didn't just punch
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you and I was like you know you probably
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should of but because that is that was
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uncalled for it was not on call
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uncalled for it was not on call
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for anything at the time i was i amused
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myself to death with that but i'm i'm a
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changed man I've grown up I'd I no
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hey this is the bank yeah this is got a
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oh my god yeah right here how did they
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it's um it's configurable because I mean
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yeah but the whole thing can't be a
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touch ID sensor right i mean yes
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waiting for you to one in each corner
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my age and I got it just get used to it
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but I look at this there's a picture of
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you said it's from the help of of how to
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apple pay purchase the touchscreen the
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something in red that I I can't read but
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yeah touch your ID de Appel 904 course
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yeah no no they're buying beats always
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headphones headphones you can also see
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what's on the display and they're using
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safari to buy something from apple.com
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what bothers me is that they're running
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they're running this mac with the menu
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bar hidden yeah I really every bombers
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full fullscreen fullscreen mode bothers
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yeah I think you're going to enter
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you're going to say it doesn't it
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doesn't mean the Apple paysheet look
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like it's um it's not connected at well
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it doesn't maybe maybe it's okay
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perspective is off
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that it's an oled touch panel which you
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possibility as well I think that I'm i
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updated in two years so why not you know
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it's been a year it was october last
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year why not just you know just do a
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silent or not silent but you know but
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greatest from intelligent and stick it
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I can't see why they wouldn't do that
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yeah yeah I don't know either
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I mean but I don't look not sure why
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they haven't updated the the mac pro in
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the mac mini for write several years
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alright so wrapping up i think that we
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don't know what the hell they're doing
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with this quote unquote 13-inch other
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model doesn't make any sense to us can't
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wait to find out about that one
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yeah I I don't know if I bet on new mac
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pros but because it seems to me like you
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could lose a lot of money over the last
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three years by betting on new macros but
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they've been waiting for retina display
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maybe the time is right and
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it if we can have one will see both well
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then does it seem like I mean it i'm not
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sure these just updating the laptop line
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doesn't sound like enough for an event
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doesn't I don't think so either
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I mean we can continue about after the
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sponsor break the major there's other
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stuff they could announce that the mac
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hardware but it does seem to me like if
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it was really just if the only thing
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design new is the macbook pros
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event right so i don't know i mean we
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certainly know everything you know
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Sierra is already out
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it's not like you know it's not like
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they have new operating system to show
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yeah I mean you know the only other
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thing that ok you want to what you're
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going to say like well do the air pods I
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mean the death they would announce their
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partnership shipping
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yeah but that's not just the first thing
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that takes time in an event for that I'm
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no guessing that that's when they're
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going to say that because they did say
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late October and this event will be on
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the twenty-seventh looking over so so
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see that we have updated imax that look
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components i mean there's no point to
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update it updating the the display right
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that doesn't that doesn't make any sense
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they're going to it i don't i don't know
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i know i think that might be like done
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you think that we really well I don't
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if Vienna I did the event comes and goes
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and there's no news about the mac mini I
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stickney processors in them i mean i do
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too don't you don't have to change it
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that much just put some new processors
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hey I know it's all it seems like that's
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not that hard in your hands kind of
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printing money doing it
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i think that you know I don't know that
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they have it but butter with all that
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bandwidth you know the internal
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bandwidth the update update a computer
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that doesn't even a display or anything
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mhm i would like to see them update the
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mac mini i would like to see them keep
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it updated i think the mac mini is an
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interesting little device where yes
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in many cases it's just the lowest price
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apple official mac that you can buy
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hackintosh thing and it is just somebody
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trying to build the cheapest desktop Mac
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that they can get away with or you know
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perfectly fine display you know that
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this is perfectly fine low-cost math but
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it's also a device and I'm sure that
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like you know people who listen to my
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entertainment system
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yeah so that maybe they can watch movies
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that fell off a truck and stuff like
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that it's not there's certain things
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that you can do if you just have a pc
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that you control connected to your TV
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that you couldn't do so there are power
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user it use cases for the mac mini and I
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always you know I like to think of an
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apple as a company that makes things
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that people like that would like to buy
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so i would like to see it but I I'm not
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holding my breath for but maybe you know
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maybe just like in the one fell swoop
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now everything uses USB see you know
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maybe they update the mac mini to just
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to get us bc ports on
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yeah I wish they would like them to do
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that too I i would consider buying one
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I've never owned one well actually I
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old one that somebody gave me but um I
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if I go to which I'm kind of leaning
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towards right now is getting a macbook
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pro again you know I just this is what
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the IP that imac upstairs in that meant
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that ancient macbook pro aren't gonna
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last long either so and I mostly just
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need the need a server like a media
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server and so I would definitely
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consider getting money for that
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been familiar with them but it's just
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popularity with digital because you know
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you can have stuff read at a different
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Twitter called it out i don't know who
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I'm sorry for not giving you credit but
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which is that Siri responds differently
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based on how you invoke it and so if you
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doing here Lee by voice with a hey
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dingus you get more back
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auto audio through audio then you do if
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ready to touch things so just for
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asked about when quote when does dallas
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play unquote it gave me a on-screen
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listing of which wich dallas and the
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three teams and I could tap it but if I
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be an audio prompt ok I wanted
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well we would just ask you like
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goodnight would name that I think so i
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could try it and get back get pregnant
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but you don't do it right now but i
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think i've seen that to where I have
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another at least one other Amy in my
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context and so it's like if i say text
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amy blah blah blah
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if I'm doing it through the air pods i
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can i can answer just audio audio only
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that I want to you know bring my wife
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not the other one
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yeah so that's an interesting difference
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but it's just i i really do think that
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the conventional wisdom on that we're
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serious stands compared to the
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state-of-the-art is way off
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it may be behind I wouldn't i probably
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wouldn't dispute that overall but it's
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areas and they're clearly some areas
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where Syria is actually a head that I'd
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i do think that they're all in the same
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ballpark at this point yeah yeah i think
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i mean i know and i don't have a device
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currently that what we'll do that
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assistant so I haven't played around
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with it in a long time and you know I'm
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just relying out what everybody says it
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but it sure really is like conventional
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wisdom that it google is so much far
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ahead and it does not seem to be really
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yeah I would almost say that if anything
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the conventional wisdom isn't so much
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under estimating serious overestimating
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google assistant em and again for like
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trivia questions it is a little better
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because it's just you know like it if
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you just treat it as a vocal input for
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the google search box but for a lot of
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contextual stuff it's not
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yeah and it doesn't know things like a I
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could never a current route couldn't
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figure how to take a screenshot on my
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pixel and asking Google assistant was
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absolutely no help
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yeah I really you know I'm not shocked
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that it wasn't to help but it does seem
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like if you're supposed to be able to
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talk to your device
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it seems like the device you know and
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eventually the it should be the case
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that you can if you're if you have a
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phone that has a bouquet assistant you
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should be able to say how do i take a
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screenshot and it should be able to tell
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you thinking yeah yeah yeah definitely
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that's it seems like thats that's
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exactly what it should get right because
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that's what they have complete control
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over all right i mean that kind of you
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know it's like you know spotlight for
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but by voice yeah the trick with taking
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a screenshot on the the android devices
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is that you press the power button and
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volume down but you have to press them
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at the same time maybe not quite it you
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know like the hundredth of a second same
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time but if you press one before the
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other it doesn't work like you press
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volume down even slightly before the
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power you immediately start changing the
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the volume and if you turn power and
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don't quite hit volume down within the
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very slips small fraction of a second it
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empowers you know brings up the you want
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to turn your phone off thing
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yeah i had i wasn't sure how to reboot
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the iphone 7 because it went Carandang
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both got theirs I hit that was setting
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this up restoring their their backups to
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their phones and at one point one of
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them froze and i had a foursome restart
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it and yeah it's now it's now it's the
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power doesn't know it's the now its
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yeah in the power button yeah I think
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you hold down both human and power or
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something yeah and i think i ended up
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just doing it by accident because I was
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just trying everything is this i
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couldn't understand why it wasn't
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working when I was doing the home button
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in the and the power button
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what other you have any other pixel
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questions um I will say well yeah you
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know everybody seems to think that it
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looks I don't think it looks that great
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but how does it feel and real life it's
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I got the smaller 1i got the 5-inch one
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and I realized that FDI forget how many
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android phones i've had over the last
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few years but they've all been way too
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big for my taste and this is the nurse
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this is the first android phone i've
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ever purchased that is either not a
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piece of junk and not too big it's ok it
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is clearly a little bigger than the
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iphone 4.7 inch iphones I mean not just
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you know looking at it but it feels a
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little bigger it is a little wider which
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is the biggest difference but it's
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nowhere near as wide as an iphone 7 plus
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and so it's you know I could live with
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this is the size of my phone so I I
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appreciate that this that's the small
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one and it's bigger than the iphone 7
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yeah it's exactly as much bigger as you
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would think given that this debt that
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display is five inches instead of 4.7
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inches yeah and when you just look at it
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and you can kind of see that it has a
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chin and forehead of roughly the same
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proportions as an iphone you know just
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that basic you know the fact that
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looking at front on it clearly i don't
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even III could I think it's almost
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admirable that they're not denying it
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that it looks like an iphone it feels
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exactly as much bigger as you would
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think given that the displays a little
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bit yeah it is interesting that it that
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that's the stage
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that's what's going on in that market
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because we have some friends and
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in the her father recently bought his
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first iphone I'm after having android
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for years because he wanted you got the
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SEC because he wanted to smartphone and
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he could simply could not get one in the
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android market right now it's nowhere
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near sec sighs so there's yeah no yeah
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no clearly not a gaping hole in the
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android market at that size but yeah you
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know this is the tomb III think sony has
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had some phones roughly the size that
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are considered high end android phones
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but I've never used one
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so you know but what I find that really
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funny because that's always one of the
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things that people say the the advantage
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of the Android ecosystem is that you
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have so many different manufacturers
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that you're going to get a phone any
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kind of phone that you want and any kind
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of phone that you want as long as it's
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not a 4-inch screen right as long as its
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giant yeah right
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this thing's huge I don't know quite
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what that I you know I don't know I've
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always i think part of that is too is
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that they needed for battery life of the
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battery life is in general works on
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android then unless and ok i'm not quite
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sure though I will say battery life on
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this device is fine
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it seems exactly equivalent to the
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iphone 7 it with extended use well it's
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a little bit thicker one end right
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because it doesn't have a camera doesn't
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have a camera but it ended its like
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which shaped right I can't believe that
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nobody commented on this at the resort
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debate but where r activate the
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automatic product introduction where I
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was like if it doesn't have a camera
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bump but the it's thicker on one end and
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the other is it a web shape or is it
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like a step design where the glass part
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is thicker and the other part is thinner
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and there's a step in between any answer
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is it's a wedge shape a gent you know
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it's obviously not quite as wedge-shaped
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is like a macbook air right there is a
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wedge shape to it
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mhm I don't love that I mean people yeah
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well people were saying oh look there's
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no excuse nor camera bahaha and I
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thought well wait a minute there has to
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be you know you know I either people
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were wrong about the fact that there had
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to be a camera bump because of physics
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this or right or it has to be thicker
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one of the other it's up to you know I
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it's sort of an apple-like but I think
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camera bumps are on
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like I can't decide what would be more
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on Ethel I'm right right
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the camera bump or a wedge shape it does
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feel a little little on top heavy in my
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hand because it's thicker at the top
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than bottom but not yet much and even
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when I and maybe it's my imagination
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almost because when i balance it on my
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finger the balance point is only
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slightly towards the top instead of the
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Centrepointe yeah and the fact that it
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doesn't have a camera bump is nice i
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will say i mean i don't have a camera
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bumpy there but the touch ID sensor is
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extremely fast is it look good if it's
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not as fast as Apple's it's close to his
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fast it takes suspiciously shorter time
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to train an apple and i just reset and I
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find another iphone the other day and
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went through it again so the memory it's
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not it is fresh it definitely takes
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fewer lift lift and put it back down to
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get your finger registered with the
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pixel fingerprint sensor so either
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either they're actually training it a
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lot faster than apple or their their
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loser about right but I don't know I you
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know but I can certainly haven't had you
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know I've tried using other fingers and
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it never falsely unlocks the phone so it
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seems alright cameras good they have
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yeah so it seems like it seems like I
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mean some people were questioning I mean
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everybody seemed to think that it was
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you know at least as good as the iphone
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want it in some people maybe thought it
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was even better and then the other
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people were saying how can you say that
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look at this look at yellow this picture
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is and I was quick and see won't see any
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yellow with that picture of an order
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talking about you know I've taken some
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side-by-side I've gone out and sometimes
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in the daytime and and I had both phones
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with me and there was a theater around
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the corner from our house that that just
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got just blown up
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I guess didn't blow it up but they
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ripped it apart now it's a big hole in
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the ground which I for some reason find
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an interesting thing to take pictures of
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and they you know they both look very
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good to me I it is you know it sad you
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know I can't say that one is better than
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the other but they both look good every
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once in a while one will look a little
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better than the other i find that the
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pictures are way closer between the two
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than a lot of the examples I link to
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last week i linked
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a whole bunch of google pixel reviews
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and most of them had like side-by-side
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comparisons with the iphone 7 camera and
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some of them made the iphone 7 pictures
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look very washed out to me when I would
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just say the color it just seemed like
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they were much brighter like if somebody
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took a picture of a field of grass
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side-by-side that the pixel one look
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bright green and very nice and that the
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iphone one looked a little drab which
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doesn't match my experience with the
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iphone camera at all and I really makes
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me wonder whether what processing they
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were doing with the images to get them
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from here to there in my use
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side-by-side that the colors are very
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very similar between the two cameras
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I mean have a nice and I know what I'm
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not good i'm also definitely not am
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enough of a camera person to I mean like
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i've said this before but I feel like
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the camera topped out for me it at the
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the iphone for my favorite feature of
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the whole phone i think is that there's
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a system-wide shortcut where if you
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double tap the power button it puts you
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no matter what you're doing so if the
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phone is often locked double tap it and
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you're in that quickly i just did it in
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let's grab if you're using the phone
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like you're just reading your email and
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you want to take a picture of something
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quick double tap that button and you
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jump the camera mode and the camera mode
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does startup about as fast as you could
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reasonably expect ready to take a
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picture that's a really cool feature and
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I think on the iphone it's i I've just
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started getting used to the lift to
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whatever they call it anything raised to
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raise the way the front way
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yes and of my favorite aspect of raised
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to wake with the iphone 7 is you raised
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to wake and if you want to take a
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picture you just slide the the lock
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screen to the left and you're in the
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yeah and so I've really gotten used to
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that so when my phone right if I see
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something I want to take a picture of
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quickly i can take it out of my pocket
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raised awake almost always turns on when
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I take out my pocket and just start
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sliding to the left anywhere i don't
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have to aim for like a little camera
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icon in the corner anything anymore love
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that feature i actually think that
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that's probably a little better than the
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double tap the button that this pixel
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has but when you're actually already in
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the phone and unlocked i think that the
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pixel she has actually quicker
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yeah having something Universal niggas
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you get you can swipe up and then but
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that's not as quick as double-tapping no
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no and it's also fraud
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you know sometimes doesn't work right
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right double-tapping and I was always
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working remember which app it is but
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there's an app that I use
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invoking the control center thing
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whatever that thing is called the bomb
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connect the pixel to your iphone through
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a cable and the initial setup and it'll
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slip over what it can and you know this
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I i put a slack that we're both members
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it's it makes the pixel look like a pc
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to know the iphone and you
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that's what the adapters the adapters
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like a USB a theme so the iphone will
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give you the do you trust this computer
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prompt that it's supposed to make sure
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you're not getting hacked you know so so
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is this just for pictures know it it
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will do all sorts of things including
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your SMS messages and my messages
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wow if well here's the there is a catch
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the catch is why you're going through
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the setup i have my my iphone backups
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encrypted I think they tell you that if
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you'd like to sleep over all that stuff
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you have to you have to connect your
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connect your iphone to itunes and turn
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off backup encryptions or encrypt your
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backups and then it will be able to do
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it otherwise it will only be able to get
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your pictures and maybe something at one
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or two other things I was like thanks
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but no no thanks i'm not going to I'm
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not that interested in it so i did to
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have it slip over all my pictures and it
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it didn't get them all
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I don't really know what the hell
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happened but part of it i think is the
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got that obvious that is why i think
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what is the problem is i have i found
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iCloud photo library on so however many
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tens of thousands of photos i have my
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overall I cloud library they're not all
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on my iPhone so it only grabbed some of
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the ones that are actually present and
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then the worst part was
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then the worst part was
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it took 1590 of them and the day that I
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did this was October 20th and it gave
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all 1590 of my photos the date of
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october 20th 2016 yeah and most of them
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where I think what happened I haven't
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done like a full investigation but i
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think what happened is that these were
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images where they didn't have the date
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in the EXIF data that the date was only
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the file date the filesystem date my
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phone my iphone knows exactly what date
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they were picked by you know on my mac
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everywhere I've had these photos like
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they they were in my iPhoto library from
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back when I photo was a thing I've had
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most of them were like 10 years old a
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lot of them were the images that from
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until like two thousand six or so I was
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I think about 2006 I still shot a lot of
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images on 35 millimeter film with it
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with an SLR and what i would do is when
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I got those photos developed
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I would have them skiing i would have
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the photo development place scan them to
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a CD and a lot of them were those images
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and I just think that they didn't put XF
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data and I think but the dates just came
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from the dates on the CD you know that
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files had dates they just weren't like
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official met anyway google gave me 1600
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photos on that date and it was that that
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that was an Irish I i think i would have
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been better off I I don't know that to
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me that the upgrade from your phone is a
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little bit of a gimmick i don't know i
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think i would have been better off
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setting up fresh ok it took it took it
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from a backup or United you just have to
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connect your descendants turn off the
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option because it was probably the phone
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your iphone was thinking I I'm gonna
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give anything and encrypted backup
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yes exactly yeah right exactly so you
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have to yeah that's a I didn't know I
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never really thought about how that work
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but that's how it worked and I no
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interest in that I wasn't curious enough
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about how it work to do that yeah I
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didn't realize that anything else other
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than itunes could get your i'm gonna
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guess that makes sense if it's not
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encrypted but I mean right that I'm just
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never had any experience with that
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anything other than itunes getting stuff
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i mean obviously camera there's other
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camera snaps that can grab
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photos but i didn't know that like
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things like SMS messages were also
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possible what else finger poop
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fingerprint sensor on the back
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no good it is it's inconvenient as you
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would know I didn't do there's not a
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yeah it's where the apple logo is on an
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iphone yeah it's you know it's not the
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worst but they do have to eat you
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you do have to fish around for it
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sometimes yeah and you can't I can't
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figure out why sometimes i can wake the
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phone by doing it and sometimes I can't
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I just is not as good as having the
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fingerprint sensor where Apple put it
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yeah now could be that I don't you know
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got a couple years of my phone
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experience and that's a little
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subjective but i don't think so what
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else material it's the aluminum is
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actually like more of a matte finish
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than apples it doesn't really feel as
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nice but I think it's less slippery so
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there's a practical advantage to it i
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think it's very cute i got the black one
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of course I think it's very strange that
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they named the color quite black like
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which is a very googly cutie thing when
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in fact it's not quite black at all in
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fact honest-to-god the better name for
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it would be not quite black because it's
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very very clearly just a dark gray and
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the display is black so we look at it
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especially in sunlight both on the front
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and the rear its it is definitely dark
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gray not black so it seems very funny to
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me that they named it quite black yeah
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maybe not quite black would be even
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no I mean you know we'd be like a funny
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joke and more accurate
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I what else and other than that it's a
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very nice phone i do think that this
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oled display I've compared it the best
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comparison i think of is looking at
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Instagram and I look at the same photos
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on both phones on Instagram and
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especially in in kit to me in
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incandescent lighting meaning photos
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that are taken indoors
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at nighttime the I don't think it's it's
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not the camera because the these images
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are from Instagram it's the display it
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makes people look sort of yellowy it
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makes it the oled display to meet gets
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it's a very orangey yellow a color that
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looks on that doesn't look like to me
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what a room looks like in indoor
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lighting whereas the iphone does so I
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I'm still skeptical about oled as a
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replacement for lcds on on these devices
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and then last but not least i still
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really dislike android well i hope my
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pictures like look good on my magic
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toolbar and i kinda worried about that i
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will say this lie I would summarize it
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like this if I could run iOS on this
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device how I would not be as happy as i
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am with the iphone 7 but I this is the
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first android device i've ever used
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where I think I'd be fine and I wouldn't
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hate my life every day that I had to do
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if i could run iOS on this device it
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would be fine it is by far and away the
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nicest android phone i've ever used
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that's present I could you know i'd i
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would need the entire three-hour episode
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of the show to go through what i don't
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like about and right yeah well have a
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good time on thursday
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alright think of myself more macbooks
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for me i will try to get you a chair in
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