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◼   ► Craig's good to hear your voice yeah [TS]

◼   ► likewise [TS]

◼   ► it's been awhile since we talked yeah [TS]

◼   ► what you wanna do this let's just get [TS]

◼   ► out of the way we got to talk about this [TS]

◼   ► Trump tech tech summit because here's [TS]

◼   ► the thing man [TS]

◼   ► you know what I said when I think I mean [TS]

◼   ► you're going to lead off with this I [TS]

◼   ► would have you know starting my heart [TS]

◼   ► holiday party [TS]

◼   ► here's the thing even as I'm not really [TS]

◼   ► shying away from writing about politics [TS]

◼   ► on daring fireball even if I decided [TS]

◼   ► that if I had chosen differently and [TS]

◼   ► said you know what I'm not you know [TS]

◼   ► whatever my feelings are going to make [TS]

◼   ► this a politics frite site even even in [TS]

◼   ► this there's that here's an intersection [TS]

◼   ► of of Trump administration incoming [TS]

◼   ► Trump administration and the stuff that [TS]

◼   ► I do right about that [TS]

◼   ► I you know would be criminal not to [TS]

◼   ► mention it so what happened i have for [TS]

◼   ► anybody either head-in-the-sand Trump [TS]

◼   ► and his buddy Peter teal put together [TS]

◼   ► summit of the invited I don't they only [TS]

◼   ► invited 10 people i think there were [TS]

◼   ► like 14 people from Trump's immediate [TS]

◼   ► family and his girl Friday transition [TS]

◼   ► team and attendant there and 10 liters [TS]

◼   ► of of the US tech industry who were in [TS]

◼   ► attendance [TS]

◼   ► I think it was Tim Cook from apple or a [TS]

◼   ► primo seat to away from Trump you know [TS]

◼   ► the seating you know if you look at the [TS]

◼   ► seating chart it was clearly very very [TS]

◼   ► pleased thought out [TS]

◼   ► yeah I just thought out definitely yeah [TS]

◼   ► i mean you don't you don't just say only [TS]

◼   ► a one two three kids sit over here right [TS]

◼   ► it's looking at it that into the tables [TS]

◼   ► like the you know that the kids table at [TS]

◼   ► Thanksgiving right well yeah I mean that [TS]

◼   ► did the thing that got me was that the [TS]

◼   ► picture of a of tim cook right this is [TS]

◼   ► just the look on his face and I I try [TS]

◼   ► not to read into pictures too much I [TS]

◼   ► mean you have all done you know you know [TS]

◼   ► you're watching a video or whatever and [TS]

◼   ► you know you pause and it's like the [TS]

◼   ► person making that face which is like [TS]

◼   ► what the heck you know that because it [TS]

◼   ► doesn't fit into the [TS]

◼   ► the story is going on with it just [TS]

◼   ► making some funny face right but I look [TS]

◼   ► at that picture of tim cook and that is [TS]

◼   ► the expression i think i would have if i [TS]

◼   ► was at that meeting right just like [TS]

◼   ► ashen kind of what the hell is going on [TS]

◼   ► here [TS]

◼   ► somebody you are to watch the HBO show [TS]

◼   ► that Larry David Choe curb your [TS]

◼   ► enthusiasm because they the show for [TS]

◼   ► anybody doesn't want to show usually [TS]

◼   ► ends [TS]

◼   ► it's a very it the the show is [TS]

◼   ► incredibly awkward it's about it's [TS]

◼   ► nothing about other than about creating [TS]

◼   ► awkward situations and then a typical [TS]

◼   ► Arizona and in a horribly awkward [TS]

◼   ► situation with a freeze frame and then [TS]

◼   ► it's funny music comes up [TS]

◼   ► yeah that's all that was missing is that [TS]

◼   ► funny music but there's another thing to [TS]

◼   ► where I'm always hesitant to especially [TS]

◼   ► at coming out of a political election [TS]

◼   ► whether it's national or local there's [TS]

◼   ► obviously there's it its and it's only [TS]

◼   ► gotten worse because i think i think [TS]

◼   ► because our politics have gotten so much [TS]

◼   ► more partisan and the fact that there [TS]

◼   ► are so many more photographs taken [TS]

◼   ► because digital cameras if you ever [TS]

◼   ► watched these press conferences that it [TS]

◼   ► it really almost sounds like it's not a [TS]

◼   ► war zone but it almost where where that [TS]

◼   ► the pro photographers in the the [TS]

◼   ► journalists have these SLR digital SLRs [TS]

◼   ► and they just they just hold the shutter [TS]

◼   ► down and they just keep right they just [TS]

◼   ► keep shooting you know six to eight [TS]

◼   ► frames per second every second non-stop [TS]

◼   ► because the cardstock know that [TS]

◼   ► yeah that that's what I'm saying about [TS]

◼   ► you know it's really easy these days to [TS]

◼   ► cherry pick an image right to find the [TS]

◼   ► one where Tim Cook is making that face [TS]

◼   ► because you know you've thought the [TS]

◼   ► right names you know and I don't think [TS]

◼   ► about the case that right and so on [TS]

◼   ► election ads in election ads you are in [TS]

◼   ► both sides do it it's this is here's one [TS]

◼   ► where it's not really a partisan thing [TS]

◼   ► but they tend to find an unflattering [TS]

◼   ► photo of the opponent of to put in the [TS]

◼   ► ad if it's an attack ad and a lot of [TS]

◼   ► times I think it's very obvious that you [TS]

◼   ► can tell that it's just one of those [TS]

◼   ► like everybody knows it like when you're [TS]

◼   ► going through your family photos and you [TS]

◼   ► say like you know you know look at that [TS]

◼   ► sunset here you guys stand right there [TS]

◼   ► i'll take a couple photos and like the [TS]

◼   ► middle one [TS]

◼   ► you know somebody you know one of the [TS]

◼   ► subjects in your family just looks [TS]

◼   ► horrible just absolutely like because [TS]

◼   ► elastic mid blank right here it's like [TS]

◼   ► it here [TS]

◼   ► you look like you're smoking bongs all [TS]

◼   ► day because your eyes you're halfway [TS]

◼   ► shut [TS]

◼   ► and it's like right or just more like [TS]

◼   ► like this the person was you know they [TS]

◼   ► know that you're taking a couple of [TS]

◼   ► photos and they're trying to hold their [TS]

◼   ► eyes open for the first one and then it [TS]

◼   ► just feels like there's something in [TS]

◼   ► there so they make like a weird blink to [TS]

◼   ► like clear their eyes hopefully before [TS]

◼   ► you shoot the next shutter but in fact [TS]

◼   ► it's mid shutter and they just look not [TS]

◼   ► so I don't think that's Tim Cook in this [TS]

◼   ► scenario it looks to me you know like [TS]

◼   ► that no like that that's that that would [TS]

◼   ► you know that is how I would feel in [TS]

◼   ► that situation I don't you know it's [TS]

◼   ► like and it's it's you know didn't [TS]

◼   ► Thompson made a good thing in his a good [TS]

◼   ► point in his newsletter admit that [TS]

◼   ► really struck me was that Trump is [TS]

◼   ► saying you know how we want to help you [TS]

◼   ► all [TS]

◼   ► well there's a flip side to that right [TS]

◼   ► what happens if he does not want to help [TS]

◼   ► you write he sees these already over [TS]

◼   ► there [TS]

◼   ► what is it last week or maybe earlier [TS]

◼   ► this week where he put out that tweeted [TS]

◼   ► about canceling a Lockheed order and [TS]

◼   ► their stock tanked [TS]

◼   ► yep and I do we series he's got some [TS]

◼   ► power now and you don't want that power [TS]

◼   ► to affect your shareholder value the [TS]

◼   ► week before he was complaining about an [TS]

◼   ► Air Force One order for our Air Force [TS]

◼   ► order for a a new Air Force One you know [TS]

◼   ► there aren't they are an Air Force One [TS]

◼   ► and you know if you're like good just [TS]

◼   ► one of those things that I knew but I i [TS]

◼   ► find fascinating i find air force one to [TS]

◼   ► be a fascinating things like a history [TS]

◼   ► geek and you know just someone who's up [TS]

◼   ► that's about so i'm a proud American and [TS]

◼   ► I like certain aspects of it and air [TS]

◼   ► force ones cool thing but one of the [TS]

◼   ► things I've always known is that Air [TS]

◼   ► Force One is not an airplane a single [TS]

◼   ► airplane it's actually right there's two [TS]

◼   ► of them [TS]

◼   ► yep its Air Force One is the official [TS]

◼   ► designation of the one that's carrying [TS]

◼   ► the president so right like if the [TS]

◼   ► President of the United States is like [TS]

◼   ► sitting in the Oval Office there is no [TS]

◼   ► air force one right there are trains [TS]

◼   ► that could be our force one but it [TS]

◼   ► becomes there [TS]

◼   ► force one when the president of the [TS]

◼   ► united states is on the plane and then [TS]

◼   ► it gets that official designation and [TS]

◼   ► that the two that they have right now [TS]

◼   ► were a commissioned under the Reagan [TS]

◼   ► administration and I believe george HW [TS]

◼   ► bush was the first to fly them so these [TS]

◼   ► are these planes have been in use for [TS]

◼   ► the original George Bush Bill Clinton [TS]

◼   ► George W Bush and Barack Obama and they [TS]

◼   ► will be the ones that Trump gets the [TS]

◼   ► that the new ones that the Air Force's [TS]

◼   ► looking to commission would not be ready [TS]

◼   ► until either the very very very tail end [TS]

◼   ► of an eight-year Trump administration [TS]

◼   ► which let's face it whenever you know if [TS]

◼   ► we get eight years at Trump we going to [TS]

◼   ► meet ya gonna be an earth day and I [TS]

◼   ► don't want a lot more is his successor [TS]

◼   ► anyway Trump bitched about the cost of [TS]

◼   ► these planes and and Boeing's stock tank [TS]

◼   ► you know not tagged it didn't recover [TS]

◼   ► but he tweets and stocks move that it's [TS]

◼   ► a fact I mean like we it in between the [TS]

◼   ► joking about it and you know that the [TS]

◼   ► partisanship of it i mean there's just [TS]

◼   ► no denial that when the president's [TS]

◼   ► state comes out and says he's you know [TS]

◼   ► like to cancel of the five billion [TS]

◼   ► dollar order for Air Force One [TS]

◼   ► yeah that's going to have an effect on [TS]

◼   ► the company yeah is it that I read the [TS]

◼   ► other day that that on Bloomberg now the [TS]

◼   ► Bloomberg terminals that-that-that-that [TS]

◼   ► the market uses to keep track with Miz [TS]

◼   ► as Trump streets on it now they just [TS]

◼   ► feed Trump's tweets into the Bloomberg [TS]

◼   ► terminals as it's important to know that [TS]

◼   ► immediately exactly it moves the economy [TS]

◼   ► that's like she sits [TS]

◼   ► so now I I let me read for this because [TS]

◼   ► i actually wrote to Ben depends on the [TS]

◼   ► show all the time and he's a friend and [TS]

◼   ► I told him I thought his take was [TS]

◼   ► excellent it was I filed it under the [TS]

◼   ► eye i wish i had a thought of it but [TS]

◼   ► that exactly what you said that that the [TS]

◼   ► hey I'm here to help you folks do well [TS]

◼   ► that's actually an actual quote from him [TS]

◼   ► i'm here to help you folks do well and [TS]

◼   ► we're going to be there for you [TS]

◼   ► yeah it's it is a violation of economics [TS]

◼   ► is bunk reading from Ben's email [TS]

◼   ► government on to be sent setting and [TS]

◼   ► enforcing the rules of the game not [TS]

◼   ► actively helping one of the teams it's a [TS]

◼   ► recipe for not just corporate accuracy [TS]

◼   ► and the inevitable corruption that comes [TS]

◼   ► with it [TS]

◼   ► parentheses this is where I know that [TS]

◼   ► trumps children attended the meeting and [TS]

◼   ► parentheses but the closing off of [TS]

◼   ► opportunity to the unknown companies [TS]

◼   ► that might challenge those large enough [TS]

◼   ► to be quote helped this should be of [TS]

◼   ► particular concern to the startup [TS]

◼   ► ecosystem and I can't say it any better [TS]

◼   ► than that I think it's exactly right [TS]

◼   ► that it's that's you know and again you [TS]

◼   ► say you know there's there's positives [TS]

◼   ► and negatives to every system of [TS]

◼   ► government but you know part of the gist [TS]

◼   ► of a democratic capitalist nation is [TS]

◼   ► that the role of government [TS]

◼   ► I i think this is then again there's [TS]

◼   ► only this is a partisan viewpoint I [TS]

◼   ► think it's just a statement of fact that [TS]

◼   ► kids learned in elementary school if the [TS]

◼   ► role of the government is doing keep a [TS]

◼   ► fair level playing field yeah it's all [TS]

◼   ► out there as exactly it's all about [TS]

◼   ► fairness and that's the discussion about [TS]

◼   ► diversity to it's about fairness right [TS]

◼   ► and you know protecting any idea that [TS]

◼   ► the role of the president's to protect [TS]

◼   ► the 10 biggest corporations and tech is [TS]

◼   ► the opposite of it because the whole [TS]

◼   ► point is that it's healthy for for [TS]

◼   ► example you know like in if this meeting [TS]

◼   ► had been held in nineteen eighty 180 [TS]

◼   ► would have been one of the would have [TS]

◼   ► been d probably the company right yeah [TS]

◼   ► you know in fact that they yeah and it [TS]

◼   ► goes against competition right you know [TS]

◼   ► you look at it [TS]

◼   ► Apple maps is getting better because [TS]

◼   ► it's competing against google maps and [TS]

◼   ► android is getting better because it's [TS]

◼   ► competing against the iphone right that [TS]

◼   ► that competition and having a [TS]

◼   ► competition be fair is what makes it [TS]

◼   ► work right if somebody comes along and [TS]

◼   ► says you know well hey Tim Cook you know [TS]

◼   ► he's gay [TS]

◼   ► m-maybe Google's better right little [TS]

◼   ► hole what did you're not competing on a [TS]

◼   ► fair playing field at that point and I [TS]

◼   ► think everybody in tech would have a [TS]

◼   ► problem that ever affect hopefully [TS]

◼   ► everybody in the US with our problem [TS]

◼   ► with that yet that's the road that we're [TS]

◼   ► heading down right now most most people [TS]

◼   ► in Texas has been noted before this [TS]

◼   ► meeting that most of the industry was [TS]

◼   ► unfit you know on the side of Hillary [TS]

◼   ► Clinton in this election on for several [TS]

◼   ► reasons but a lot certainly largely on [TS]

◼   ► on immigration and on social issues like [TS]

◼   ► young gay rights and and don't like that [TS]

◼   ► yeah one of the people though I believe [TS]

◼   ► this CEO of oracle her name she's [TS]

◼   ► actually in the same picture with with [TS]

◼   ► yeah she looks very happy to be there [TS]

◼   ► she's very enthusiastic in her remarks [TS]

◼   ► before the the meeting and and then [TS]

◼   ► after the meeting it was announced that [TS]

◼   ► she's joining his transition team and in [TS]

◼   ► some form right and she's going to be [TS]

◼   ► obviously some people and selling [TS]

◼   ► databases but my question is it there's [TS]

◼   ► a large number of people and I think it [TS]

◼   ► has to be addressed [TS]

◼   ► whoo-hoo think that the people like Tim [TS]

◼   ► Cook satya nadella from Microsoft larry [TS]

◼   ► page from google should not have [TS]

◼   ► attended this meeting they should have [TS]

◼   ► declined the invitation [TS]

◼   ► action ended on the basis that it was [TS]

◼   ► just dog-and-pony show and it was just a [TS]

◼   ► photo opportunity for Trump and his [TS]

◼   ► children and his transition team to have [TS]

◼   ► these people parade in front of the [TS]

◼   ► media I mean there's a reason why the [TS]

◼   ► media was there and that the photographs [TS]

◼   ► are taken and it wasn't you know [TS]

◼   ► certainly could have been held privately [TS]

◼   ► if they wanted to was not it was help [TS]

◼   ► publicly certainly not for the benefit [TS]

◼   ► of those who are invited it was certain [TS]

◼   ► you know only for the benefit of [TS]

◼   ► companies transition team [TS]

◼   ► I don't think that's disputable right [TS]

◼   ► should they have declined the invitation [TS]

◼   ► I on the basis of of it being a form of [TS]

◼   ► protest against Trump and what he you [TS]

◼   ► know what he campaigned on and what he's [TS]

◼   ► you know trying to do [TS]

◼   ► alright I think that they're playing a [TS]

◼   ► longer game here [TS]

◼   ► yes it is a PR opportunity in fact that [TS]

◼   ► you know these that PR opportunity to [TS]

◼   ► take a swipe at Twitter right now but [TS]

◼   ► just over the whole crooked Hillary [TS]

◼   ► thing and yeah I don't think you wanna [TS]

◼   ► it's it's not a matter of a agreeing [TS]

◼   ► with him at this point I think it's [TS]

◼   ► pretty safe to do [TS]

◼   ► oracle CEO is named safra catz by the [TS]

◼   ► way I want to get that out there so [TS]

◼   ► before the meetings after cats the one [TS]

◼   ► who has joined his transition team while [TS]

◼   ► remaining at oracle CEO i should add her [TS]

◼   ► quote was I plan to tell the [TS]

◼   ► president-elect that we are with him and [TS]

◼   ► will help in any way we can [TS]

◼   ► and my my take on during fireball was [TS]

◼   ► that that sounds a lot like I'm ready to [TS]

◼   ► spit science it's shining shoes because [TS]

◼   ► ready to help in any way we can is an [TS]

◼   ► end with him are pretty unequivocal [TS]

◼   ► statement of support which i don't think [TS]

◼   ► are supported and compare and contrast [TS]

◼   ► that and I pointed this out on during [TS]

◼   ► fireball I think Tim Cook ed and [TS]

◼   ► unsurprisingly so was very very precise [TS]

◼   ► in his on-the-record remarks so what [TS]

◼   ► they did is they started the meeting by [TS]

◼   ► going around the table and introduce [TS]

◼   ► themselves and hit Tim Cook all he said [TS]

◼   ► was Tim Cook very good to be here [TS]

◼   ► not very glad very good to be here and I [TS]

◼   ► look [TS]

◼   ► very forward to talking to the [TS]

◼   ► president-elect about the things that we [TS]

◼   ► can do to help you achieve some things [TS]

◼   ► you want my end of statement is not [TS]

◼   ► raising a no it is not using it is not [TS]

◼   ► its raising a stink [TS]

◼   ► it's it's all played on the surface i'm [TS]

◼   ► sure in the moment as it went around the [TS]

◼   ► table and it went on but if you think [TS]

◼   ► about those words precisely in [TS]

◼   ► particular the difference between were [TS]

◼   ► with you and ready to help in any way we [TS]

◼   ► can from oracle vs help you achieve some [TS]

◼   ► things you want like I said they're [TS]

◼   ► playing a longer game here right and [TS]

◼   ► they've played they've played games with [TS]

◼   ► the federal government before right the [TS]

◼   ► last year with the you know the whole [TS]

◼   ► iphone FBI thing right there you know [TS]

◼   ► they know that this is not just going to [TS]

◼   ► end it all with Ali I'm never going to [TS]

◼   ► know now that there are the it's [TS]

◼   ► inevitable [TS]

◼   ► now that they are the biggest we are at [TS]

◼   ► least for now the biggest company by [TS]

◼   ► market cap and you know and there's only [TS]

◼   ► a handful of companies within spitting [TS]

◼   ► distance you know alphabet being being I [TS]

◼   ► think number two [TS]

◼   ► exxonmobil looks like they might have a [TS]

◼   ► good eight year there's four years at [TS]

◼   ► least [TS]

◼   ► but now that they're big now that [TS]

◼   ► they're big they're now that they're big [TS]

◼   ► though they they're obviously in the [TS]

◼   ► crosshairs of a antitrust type stuff [TS]

◼   ► which we saw with the ibooks thing which [TS]

◼   ► I roll my eyes at because of the whole [TS]

◼   ► fact that the ibookstore it's never the [TS]

◼   ► dominant seller they were yeah they were [TS]

◼   ► at every point along the way way smaller [TS]

◼   ► than amazon but I would almost point [TS]

◼   ► that as that was amazon it was amazon [TS]

◼   ► who played the Justice Department and it [TS]

◼   ► was apples like sort of disinterest in [TS]

◼   ► on involvement in the big that game that [TS]

◼   ► let them be painted in that corner [TS]

◼   ► I think that's where they started [TS]

◼   ► realizing that Washington is a game [TS]

◼   ► right right that's there because it's [TS]

◼   ► true it's beyond you know that what it [TS]

◼   ► amazon had the Justice Department here [TS]

◼   ► and I'm not saying it's corrupt I'm [TS]

◼   ► saying no it was a mistake [TS]

◼   ► were we look at that situation purely [TS]

◼   ► from technical technical point of view [TS]

◼   ► right in right there were engineers [TS]

◼   ► right we wheats [TS]

◼   ► see who's making what money and what you [TS]

◼   ► know kind of money they're charging and [TS]

◼   ► you know how the system works and and [TS]

◼   ► that's not our Washington works at all [TS]

◼   ► it's it's more emotions and politics and [TS]

◼   ► leverage and that kind of thing so yeah [TS]

◼   ► that's in fact that's probably what this [TS]

◼   ► this you know they went into this [TS]

◼   ► meeting with you know that's like okay [TS]

◼   ► how am I gonna survive what's going on [TS]

◼   ► here right let's let's let's you know [TS]

◼   ► number one that did everybody who [TS]

◼   ► attended that meeting know who else is [TS]

◼   ► gonna be there [TS]

◼   ► I believe so yes yeah you know and it's [TS]

◼   ► it's interesting actually says it was [TS]

◼   ► such a small small and invitation list [TS]

◼   ► yeah i thought it interesting you know [TS]

◼   ► that you know of the invites three of [TS]

◼   ► them more women in Iran body the the CEO [TS]

◼   ► or and Sheryl Sandberg alright alright [TS]

◼   ► Zuckerberg did not attend Sandberg up [TS]

◼   ► attended as the representative which i [TS]

◼   ► think is that I don't even think it was [TS]

◼   ► just to see a woman at the table i think [TS]

◼   ► that my understanding again I don't [TS]

◼   ► follow facebook anywhere near as closely [TS]

◼   ► as I do [TS]

◼   ► apple or some other companies but i [TS]

◼   ► think it's representative of her role [TS]

◼   ► there i think i think it's very fair to [TS]

◼   ► say that she's she is tues och what Cook [TS]

◼   ► was to Steve Jobs yep you know that more [TS]

◼   ► than a lot more than a red typical coo [TS]

◼   ► more of a partner [TS]

◼   ► I've said this many times on the show [TS]

◼   ► many many times but i believe it as much [TS]

◼   ► now as I ever did that it during [TS]

◼   ► especially i would say like from the [TS]

◼   ► iphone on especially like but at some [TS]

◼   ► point I believe now maybe even before [TS]

◼   ► that I you know but at some point cook [TS]

◼   ► clearly had jobs is trust and i really [TS]

◼   ► do think that if you described Tim [TS]

◼   ► Cook's day-to-day activities at Apple to [TS]

◼   ► somebody who didn't know the company and [TS]

◼   ► you said what position do you think this [TS]

◼   ► person has that most people would say [TS]

◼   ► well that sounds like he's the CEO that [TS]

◼   ► Steve Jobs was really more like a [TS]

◼   ► day-to-day head of product and [TS]

◼   ► Tim Cook ran the company and I think [TS]

◼   ► Sheryl Sandberg has that same role was [TS]

◼   ► Zuckerberg can focus is his time [TS]

◼   ► entirely on product and she handles yeah [TS]

◼   ► this other stuff that needs to be [TS]

◼   ► handled when you're as big an [TS]

◼   ► influential is as Facebook and the [TS]

◼   ► advantage for those people who are [TS]

◼   ► charged with the innovation and [TS]

◼   ► developing the products that they get to [TS]

◼   ► think about things that are important to [TS]

◼   ► them and you know there's a lot of stuff [TS]

◼   ► that about running a company that that [TS]

◼   ► people like that don't want to do right [TS]

◼   ► so they're they're essential in that [TS]

◼   ► regard right that the right they you [TS]

◼   ► know that you know they're the ones that [TS]

◼   ► keep the machine running and you know [TS]

◼   ► that's probably a more appropriate [TS]

◼   ► person to send to a meeting with Trump [TS]

◼   ► then you know somebody whose innovative [TS]

◼   ► and passionate and potentially going to [TS]

◼   ► say something that's damaging to come [TS]

◼   ► here is that this so that I i wrote this [TS]

◼   ► and I don't like to try it out the what [TS]

◼   ► if steve jobs were still around thing [TS]

◼   ► too often because i think can be so [TS]

◼   ► overused but i do O God that would have [TS]

◼   ► been beautiful [TS]

◼   ► well when I had a hot-headed I had an [TS]

◼   ► interesting discussion with on twitter [TS]

◼   ► about it and I you know I think [TS]

◼   ► everybody i was it is me and matt trance [TS]

◼   ► and dr. wave from pixar couple other [TS]

◼   ► people and I think we were all in [TS]

◼   ► complete agreement that if steve jobs in [TS]

◼   ► the alternate universe where steve jobs [TS]

◼   ► you know was still healthy and was still [TS]

◼   ► at apple if if he were at that meeting [TS]

◼   ► it would have been fascinating at least [TS]

◼   ► as soon as the press left the room and [TS]

◼   ► then there were reports i will add that [TS]

◼   ► there were reports that that two of the [TS]

◼   ► attendees cook and mosque got private [TS]

◼   ► meetings with Trump afterwards so maybe [TS]

◼   ► the fireworks would have happened in [TS]

◼   ► that meeting if Steve Jobs had a private [TS]

◼   ► meeting with Trump but there is [TS]

◼   ► absolutely no way I don't you know damn [TS]

◼   ► the torpedoes [TS]

◼   ► there is no way Steve Jobs was Cal [TS]

◼   ► telling to trump know and I don't think [TS]

◼   ► he'll count-out either now I don't know [TS]

◼   ► Terrance if I think the difference [TS]

◼   ► was that could bite his tongue and Steve [TS]

◼   ► Jobs couldn't I think that's one thing [TS]

◼   ► about and that's one thing about the end [TS]

◼   ► of the passion that's involved with [TS]

◼   ► innovation right that's a much harder [TS]

◼   ► thing to hold it back Tim Cook you know [TS]

◼   ► he's a guy who negotiates contracts and [TS]

◼   ► stuff he knows when to shut up but I [TS]

◼   ► great there's a good chance and and the [TS]

◼   ► doctor wave and rents I think agreed [TS]

◼   ► that even in the alternate universe [TS]

◼   ► where steve jobs is still an apple Cook [TS]

◼   ► was the one who would go to that meeting [TS]

◼   ► yesterday with the channel Sandberg [TS]

◼   ► exactly yeah no no doubt in my mind that [TS]

◼   ► that would happen because you know Steve [TS]

◼   ► Jobs is with self-aware enough to know [TS]

◼   ► that yes he had that streak and that [TS]

◼   ► streak can be used for good it can also [TS]

◼   ► be used for evil right and you know [TS]

◼   ► that's well and at what it's got watchin [TS]

◼   ► you watchin on the part of apple and [TS]

◼   ► then on the other hand i also think it [TS]

◼   ► would have been a strategy strategic way [TS]

◼   ► to not give Trump what he wanted which [TS]

◼   ► is that I mean Tim Cook is well no I [TS]

◼   ► mean how yeah yeah yeah [TS]

◼   ► yes the biggest you know the company is [TS]

◼   ► very well known but he's nowhere near as [TS]

◼   ► famous as Steve Jobs ya know where you [TS]

◼   ► have a day before Kanye West was having [TS]

◼   ► a meeting with them right that's it [TS]

◼   ► that's the level of person and he wants [TS]

◼   ► to be associated with right day if if [TS]

◼   ► you paid gallop to you know go around [TS]

◼   ► the country and and get a you know [TS]

◼   ► 10,000 random people and ask them who [TS]

◼   ► Tim Cook is your I don't know what the [TS]

◼   ► awareness is it certainly higher than [TS]

◼   ► most people and most CEOs but if you ask [TS]

◼   ► them who steve jobs is it's you know [TS]

◼   ► it's practically up at like Walt Disney [TS]

◼   ► levels right yeah they could describe [TS]

◼   ► what it looks like and yeah assist yeah [TS]

◼   ► that's right they're not serving not [TS]

◼   ► sending Steve Jobs would have been a way [TS]

◼   ► to sort of lesson apples involvement in [TS]

◼   ► the dog-and-pony show of it we're a [TS]

◼   ► nation doesn't really right yeah they [TS]

◼   ► don't really do anything and everything [TS]

◼   ► that it's a little bit of a way to give [TS]

◼   ► Trump the finger to write you know just [TS]

◼   ► no no we're not sending our best person [TS]

◼   ► we're sending our second best person [TS]

◼   ► Bezos what Bezos was there Jenny you [TS]

◼   ► said Jimmy Jimmy Romney from IBM Larry [TS]

◼   ► Page Google had two people [TS]

◼   ► well alphabet and whatever Larry Page [TS]

◼   ► and [TS]

◼   ► what's his name smit area of it yeah and [TS]

◼   ► Microsoft head to a satya nadella and [TS]

◼   ► then Brad whatever-his-name-is their CEO [TS]

◼   ► it was weird that Microsoft got google [TS]

◼   ► got to an apple only got one and I [TS]

◼   ► wonder if that was by choice if Apple [TS]

◼   ► you know had no cookies like now we [TS]

◼   ► don't need another one [TS]

◼   ► yeah I thought that's why i say i was [TS]

◼   ► interesting to know if you know how that [TS]

◼   ► list of people was chosen [TS]

◼   ► alright that's why did they sort of self [TS]

◼   ► choose or were they asked specifically [TS]

◼   ► like that we want these companies get an [TS]

◼   ► invitation and they got to choose who to [TS]

◼   ► go over the end of invitations to people [TS]

◼   ► probably just to the company's I think [TS]

◼   ► it looks like there are fixed number of [TS]

◼   ► seats around that table and that table [TS]

◼   ► time it dictated how many people are [TS]

◼   ► going to be there so you know maybe [TS]

◼   ► that's it maybe that's why Jack Dorsey [TS]

◼   ► wasn't there [TS]

◼   ► they're just didn't know was another [TS]

◼   ► seat you know you don't know I suspect [TS]

◼   ► not that him the the vindictive angle [TS]

◼   ► coming out there's two things though [TS]

◼   ► there's a cup [TS]

◼   ► there's a couple angles on that one the [TS]

◼   ► angle in favor of Dorsey being there [TS]

◼   ► would be that Trump has made more use of [TS]

◼   ► Twitter far more than he did facebook [TS]

◼   ► I mean and it's I mean I don't think [TS]

◼   ► it's close to 90 feet you know his [TS]

◼   ► campaign has a presence on on facebook [TS]

◼   ► but personally he's all Twitter it is [TS]

◼   ► his facebook feed is not on Bloomberg [TS]

◼   ► his twitter feed is on the right that's [TS]

◼   ► it that's the bottom line right but the [TS]

◼   ► other thing too is it does seem there's [TS]

◼   ► a case to be made I think gabe gabe [TS]

◼   ► rivera made it first he's Gabe is the [TS]

◼   ► guy who runs the the excellent Technium [TS]

◼   ► at a news aggregator that it seems as [TS]

◼   ► though the invitation list was sorted in [TS]

◼   ► order of market cap that it was just not [TS]

◼   ► you know in terms of who got invited or [TS]

◼   ► not it's the you know six or seven [TS]

◼   ► biggest by market cap tech companies and [TS]

◼   ► by that measure twitter isn't even close [TS]

◼   ► because their stock is deeply depressed [TS]

◼   ► I mean there it's done it and they're [TS]

◼   ► not even in the ballpark if there are [TS]

◼   ► cap and in their remarks in in Trump's [TS]

◼   ► own remarks at the meeting he even [TS]

◼   ► mentioned that [TS]

◼   ► you know his way of bragging about the [TS]

◼   ► meeting was it he said he didn't want to [TS]

◼   ► talk about the he wasn't going to [TS]

◼   ► mention the hundreds of companies that [TS]

◼   ► called asking for a seat at this table [TS]

◼   ► and that they were wondering that Peter [TS]

◼   ► meeting Peter teal kept saying no [TS]

◼   ► they're too small they're too small that [TS]

◼   ► that and small meeting market cap i [TS]

◼   ► think you know so that was already [TS]

◼   ► measured right so I don't buy that [TS]

◼   ► measure Twitter had no chance [TS]

◼   ► yeah that's so they were measuring buy [TS]

◼   ► influence they were measuring by you [TS]

◼   ► money what is that smart [TS]

◼   ► I don't know anyone that good you know [TS]

◼   ► kind of goes back to the bend Thompson's [TS]

◼   ► point right and I like the smaller [TS]

◼   ► companies are often the ones that didn't [TS]

◼   ► even more interesting stuff and the [TS]

◼   ► stuff that affects the future [TS]

◼   ► yeah and then your eyes the economy [TS]

◼   ► forward over well in the government [TS]

◼   ► certainly shouldn't play a central role [TS]

◼   ► in determining the anyone else the other [TS]

◼   ► story that came out was that the twitter [TS]

◼   ► did not get invited because of its had a [TS]

◼   ► dispute from the summer that Twitter [TS]

◼   ► sells these things called branded emoji [TS]

◼   ► well they call branded emoji we can I [TS]

◼   ► can go on our side rant about the use of [TS]

◼   ► emoji and that context in a moment but [TS]

◼   ► the gist of it is that a sponsor can buy [TS]

◼   ► a hashtag and then when people tweet [TS]

◼   ► that hashtag they automatically get a [TS]

◼   ► emoji are little sticker an illustration [TS]

◼   ► behind it so for example right now if [TS]

◼   ► you tweet the hashtag rogue one you get [TS]

◼   ► a little death star image after the [TS]

◼   ► thing that I wasn't aware of this [TS]

◼   ► because i like anybody with any kind of [TS]

◼   ► who their taste i use a third-party [TS]

◼   ► twitter client on everywhere all just [TS]

◼   ► about everywhere and these things are [TS]

◼   ► only visible and Twitter zone to twitter [TS]

◼   ► apps and this stupid ass ugly Twitter [TS]

◼   ► website so i wasn't aware of this but [TS]

◼   ► apparently over the summer the Trump [TS]

◼   ► campaign wanted to buy one for hashtag [TS]

◼   ► crooked Hillary and oh who even knows [TS]

◼   ► what the icon would have been I think [TS]

◼   ► they said they wanted to be a bag of [TS]

◼   ► money flying away or something like that [TS]

◼   ► I don't know [TS]

◼   ► and Twitter a declined to accept the [TS]

◼   ► sponsorship apparently Jack maybe Jack [TS]

◼   ► Dorsey himself put the pics on it and [TS]

◼   ► that the Trump campaign hasn't forgotten [TS]

◼   ► it [TS]

◼   ► hey I don't think that's it i'm not sure [TS]

◼   ► that it i'm sure it didn't help because [TS]

◼   ► i think they are vindictive and petty [TS]

◼   ► people but I don't really I i think that [TS]

◼   ► the market cap ankle is a bigger one [TS]

◼   ► I think yeah if it now that you mention [TS]

◼   ► that it's probably a Peter teal had more [TS]

◼   ► influence on was at that table then then [TS]

◼   ► from yourself it's it really sounded it [TS]

◼   ► sounded like Trump stoner marks that it [TS]

◼   ► was really largely just you know there [TS]

◼   ► was a list of finalists and Trump random [TS]

◼   ► by T land till said yes yes no no no yes [TS]

◼   ► yes [TS]

◼   ► dark or vice versa right maybe tail at [TS]

◼   ► the way after more like it sounded more [TS]

◼   ► like it was till he was given the s's [TS]

◼   ► know that I mean obviously if trumpet [TS]

◼   ► said i want i want Twitter it would [TS]

◼   ► happen but yea Aztec people we have a [TS]

◼   ► different view on all this you know it's [TS]

◼   ► like it's like this this Russian hacking [TS]

◼   ► thing right [TS]

◼   ► it's like you know that to me is totally [TS]

◼   ► you know it's really first hint of that [TS]

◼   ► was like oh yeah because anybody has run [TS]

◼   ► a server the scene you know IP addresses [TS]

◼   ► from you know the Eastern Bloc taking [TS]

◼   ► our servers you know looking for you [TS]

◼   ► know WP login pages PHP my man in [TS]

◼   ► artistic just like they're just they're [TS]

◼   ► looking for ways into what you're doing [TS]

◼   ► and and you know that that that you see [TS]

◼   ► the effectively presidential election is [TS]

◼   ► just you know a good meeting you again [TS]

◼   ► back to the fairness argument you know [TS]

◼   ► how in the hell is that fair [TS]

◼   ► did you see that a among all of the just [TS]

◼   ► like series of unfortunate events that [TS]

◼   ► all just happened to break the wrong way [TS]

◼   ► for the Clinton campaign and yeah one [TS]

◼   ► thing after another and that just all [TS]

◼   ► broke the wrong way but one of them was [TS]

◼   ► that when [TS]

◼   ► John Podesta got the phishing email and [TS]

◼   ► it was forwarded on to somebody like [TS]

◼   ► what's going on with this and the person [TS]

◼   ► on the staff who you know evaluated it [TS]

◼   ► wanted to write back this [TS]

◼   ► this email is illegitimate John should [TS]

◼   ► change his password immediately but [TS]

◼   ► instead wrote inadvertently this email [TS]

◼   ► is legitimate John should changes are [TS]

◼   ► almost immediately and so apparently he [TS]

◼   ► because it said that he used the link in [TS]

◼   ► the email to change his password [TS]

◼   ► alright and that this person who wrote [TS]

◼   ► made this mistake and wrote legitimate [TS]

◼   ► where they wanted to write illegitimate [TS]

◼   ► right [TS]

◼   ► ah yeah it's a couple letters on the [TS]

◼   ► keyboard that we've all right made the [TS]

◼   ► mistake with right is you know [TS]

◼   ► heartbroken and as apparently is [TS]

◼   ► apparently crushed and I lang and you [TS]

◼   ► know that the flip side of it okay yeah [TS]

◼   ► they they hacked the Democrats well you [TS]

◼   ► do you think they hacked the Republicans [TS]

◼   ► to there's it widely it's that's [TS]

◼   ► actually you know they haven't leaked [TS]

◼   ► but it's a taxi i mean this isn't [TS]

◼   ► speculation a text ya at that depth me [TS]

◼   ► is leverage and blackmail and all the [TS]

◼   ► other nasty shit so you know this is you [TS]

◼   ► know that that this is an issue it [TS]

◼   ► clearly a nonpartisan issue right after [TS]

◼   ► the the chills [TS]

◼   ► yes it should be and if you try to say [TS]

◼   ► that this is all the Democrats are just [TS]

◼   ► you know sour grapes like that's [TS]

◼   ► bullshit [TS]

◼   ► now this is this affects everybody right [TS]

◼   ► this is you know again it goes back to [TS]

◼   ► the fairness the others that our [TS]

◼   ► government should be a level playing [TS]

◼   ► field yes there are two teams right and [TS]

◼   ► they compete against each other right if [TS]

◼   ► the 50 fucking playing field is level we [TS]

◼   ► got a problem and I don't want to be too [TS]

◼   ► histrionic about it but it does [TS]

◼   ► fundamentally come down to whether the [TS]

◼   ► parties see themselves as two opposing [TS]

◼   ► parties within one nation or they view [TS]

◼   ► each other as their enemies and at the [TS]

◼   ► Democrats clearly still see the [TS]

◼   ► Republicans as their opposition and [TS]

◼   ► Republicans see the Democrats [TS]

◼   ► as their enemy and yet and that's again [TS]

◼   ► I don't mean to be histrionic it sounds [TS]

◼   ► if you if you happen to be a [TS]

◼   ► conservative bent you think that that's [TS]

◼   ► just me being a liberal you can see it [TS]

◼   ► in the polls where a poll came out today [TS]

◼   ► of what's your net positive or negative [TS]

◼   ► on the following people and they asked [TS]

◼   ► Reports survey of the Republicans in the [TS]

◼   ► United States it was like barack obama [TS]

◼   ► was a negative 64 net- Hillary Clinton [TS]

◼   ► was a net negative 77 and the latter [TS]

◼   ► mere Putin was negative 10 right so the [TS]

◼   ► latin beauty is is 54 points more [TS]

◼   ► popular among Republicans than Barack [TS]

◼   ► Obama i mean it's it's no joke [TS]

◼   ► you're kidding or exaggeration that the [TS]

◼   ► Republican Party largely sees the [TS]

◼   ► Democrats is more of their enemy then [TS]

◼   ► they do the Russian which is not [TS]

◼   ► especially for people of our age where [TS]

◼   ► the Americans will have who were the [TS]

◼   ► hardline realists ok so i'm just going [TS]

◼   ► to i was just going to say and I ronald [TS]

◼   ► reagan is rolling over in his grave [TS]

◼   ► well as a kid and a teenager when I [TS]

◼   ► first you know became politically aware [TS]

◼   ► and I was a news junkie I I viewed [TS]

◼   ► myself more as a republican a democrat [TS]

◼   ► because I thought that the Republicans [TS]

◼   ► were the party of a on Adina to put it [TS]

◼   ► succinctly the party of the cold hard [TS]

◼   ► truth and that the Democrats were more [TS]

◼   ► of saw what they wished for a party [TS]

◼   ► mhm you know and that the the main issue [TS]

◼   ► at the time wasn't something like [TS]

◼   ► climate change or a few other things [TS]

◼   ► where it comes out but climate change is [TS]

◼   ► a perfect example today where one party [TS]

◼   ► is looking at facts and the other party [TS]

◼   ► is just believing what they want to be [TS]

◼   ► true but at the time the preeminent [TS]

◼   ► issue was the Cold War because it was [TS]

◼   ► you know hey if this turns out poorly [TS]

◼   ► every world network squared yeah that [TS]

◼   ► looks like they're all that is it like [TS]

◼   ► game with no winners [TS]

◼   ► yeah and it seemed to me like the [TS]

◼   ► Republicans where the why I think [TS]

◼   ► history has shown it to be true that the [TS]

◼   ► Republicans were the ones who look [TS]

◼   ► at it with it you know old cold hard [TS]

◼   ► facts half right so it's ridiculous to [TS]

◼   ► me that they've now become the party [TS]

◼   ► that's like russia's good people [TS]

◼   ► well maybe they are good people but [TS]

◼   ► Russian government leadership God good [TS]

◼   ► people [TS]

◼   ► yeah it's and it's kind of like you know [TS]

◼   ► that that they have to you know the two [TS]

◼   ► it's a win-at-all-costs kind of [TS]

◼   ► situation for them right and and the [TS]

◼   ► others visited that the problem I have [TS]

◼   ► is that those costs are going up in ways [TS]

◼   ► that hurt our society and hurt our [TS]

◼   ► government now I mean well I wanted i'ma [TS]

◼   ► time at odds with many people in my [TS]

◼   ► family now because of this i'm sure [TS]

◼   ► that's not a lot of people and I socks [TS]

◼   ► do but you know they had to vote for the [TS]

◼   ► Republican person because you know that [TS]

◼   ► and in it and the fact that that is you [TS]

◼   ► know that the people that are [TS]

◼   ► celebrating it at the Trump when include [TS]

◼   ► the Ku Klux Klan and in evangelical [TS]

◼   ► Christians in the same group [TS]

◼   ► I mean what is wrong there alright well [TS]

◼   ► you get start to get the feeling that [TS]

◼   ► maybe the evangelical Christian based me [TS]

◼   ► maybe Christianity isn't that you just [TS]

◼   ► started to think maybe it's not their [TS]

◼   ► top priority our faith that people are [TS]

◼   ► inherently good were screwed [TS]

◼   ► well let me use that as a segue to talk [TS]

◼   ► about Harry's razors this is alec this [TS]

◼   ► shows coming out tonight [TS]

◼   ► december 16 this is a gift that you can [TS]

◼   ► get you've got time if you're listening [TS]

◼   ► to this show tonight on the sixteenth [TS]

◼   ► you can even still get ground shipping [TS]

◼   ► after tonight you're gonna have to pay [TS]

◼   ► for air shipping but you can get this as [TS]

◼   ► a gift for the holidays [TS]

◼   ► still you got act hope you're listening [TS]

◼   ► to the show while it's hot off the press [TS]

◼   ► you know pressed onto the 45 record or [TS]

◼   ► ever used to listen to the show but if [TS]

◼   ► you act quick you can do it you can go [TS]

◼   ► to Harry's calm and get an order in [TS]

◼   ► now why would this make a good gift [TS]

◼   ► well one of the reasons is it's a great [TS]

◼   ► product i've said this before they make [TS]

◼   ► nice handles really really great nice [TS]

◼   ► blades they own their own razor blade [TS]

◼   ► factory this is how they get the prices [TS]

◼   ► down this is how they keep the quality [TS]

◼   ► of their not just like buying [TS]

◼   ► white-label razor blades and putting the [TS]

◼   ► Harry's name on them they own a razor [TS]

◼   ► blade factory over in Germany that they [TS]

◼   ► make their own there's no middlemen no [TS]

◼   ► distributors no no markup on the way to [TS]

◼   ► 22 retail it's just they make them they [TS]

◼   ► package them they sell them to you so [TS]

◼   ► it's a great product and they've got [TS]

◼   ► good shaving cream and and stuff like [TS]

◼   ► that they've got what i have here a [TS]

◼   ► limited edition set if you haven't heard [TS]

◼   ► of them before you can get this set [TS]

◼   ► comes with the razor handle of your [TS]

◼   ► choice [TS]

◼   ► shaving cream replacement blades and a [TS]

◼   ► nice little travel cover they have [TS]

◼   ► something called The Winston set that [TS]

◼   ► includes an engravable chrome handle if [TS]

◼   ► you want to add a personalized touch the [TS]

◼   ► other reason these things make a nice [TS]

◼   ► gift is that the packaging is so nice so [TS]

◼   ► you can wrap this up and when people [TS]

◼   ► open it it's not like you sound like [TS]

◼   ► you're giving him one of these blister [TS]

◼   ► pack razor blades that you get a [TS]

◼   ► drugstore where it looks you know this [TS]

◼   ► looks like you've bought them like a [TS]

◼   ► nice thing like you even if you don't [TS]

◼   ► even know what's inside it's just like [TS]

◼   ► this cool box it's it's not like a [TS]

◼   ► blister pack where you got to go get a [TS]

◼   ► razor blade just to open the damn thing [TS]

◼   ► up an icebox with a nice lid I've said [TS]

◼   ► before it's the type of packaging it's [TS]

◼   ► so good that I feel bad throwing it out [TS]

◼   ► and I have to defeat my sort of natural [TS]

◼   ► inclination to be a pack rat and keep it [TS]

◼   ► like why in the world would I keep an [TS]

◼   ► empty box that had razor blades in it [TS]

◼   ► stupid but it's so nice i always paint [TS]

◼   ► me as I toss it into the the bathroom [TS]

◼   ► trashcan a great great product so if [TS]

◼   ► you're listening tonight if you can [TS]

◼   ► still get ground shipping otherwise you [TS]

◼   ► know you gotta you gotta pay for air [TS]

◼   ► shipping if you want to get this as a [TS]

◼   ► gift but you can go to Harry's dot-com [TS]

◼   ► and you can use the code talk show just [TS]

◼   ► plain talk show know the and you'll get [TS]

◼   ► five bucks off you're at if you use that [TS]

◼   ► code at checkout talk show know the at [TS]

◼   ► harrods.com go there check it out if [TS]

◼   ► you've got anybody on your list needs a [TS]

◼   ► last-minute gift you can already [TS]

◼   ► happened and get that in [TS]

◼   ► my thanks to them great product [TS]

◼   ► alright I'm done talking about politics [TS]

◼   ► let's have fun yeah this is like is [TS]

◼   ► Trump's office storm stuff is no fun [TS]

◼   ► well it's no fun but we gotta deal with [TS]

◼   ► it but I gotta deal with you can put [TS]

◼   ► your head in the sand and that's the [TS]

◼   ► reason why I think that's the reason I [TS]

◼   ► think I just a red put a bow on this [TS]

◼   ► topic that's the reason why i think it [TS]

◼   ► was right the tim cook and jeff bezos [TS]

◼   ► and satya nadella and whoever else went [TS]

◼   ► to the meeting you can put your head in [TS]

◼   ► the sand you can't just put your fingers [TS]

◼   ► in your ears and go lalala [TS]

◼   ► you know I don't want this guy to be the [TS]

◼   ► president you gotta look at it you gotta [TS]

◼   ► stare right in the eyes you know [TS]

◼   ► pretending that it didn't happen exactly [TS]

◼   ► stay angry and don't let it get [TS]

◼   ► normalized because this is not normal [TS]

◼   ► no matter you know what anybody says [TS]

◼   ► it's all you know he'll it will all play [TS]

◼   ► out well it's like no this is not going [TS]

◼   ► to play out well I just hope not I hope [TS]

◼   ► we're around in four years to have [TS]

◼   ► another election because you know you [TS]

◼   ► used you see the shit happening with you [TS]

◼   ► know China right now it's like oh jesus [TS]

◼   ► this is not where we want to go [TS]

◼   ► it's like yeah so for my parents [TS]

◼   ► generation that happened in Cuba right [TS]

◼   ► then and then people freaked out well [TS]

◼   ► hey guess what it's this generations [TS]

◼   ► chance to have that little freakout [TS]

◼   ► moment yet let's not talk about the [TS]

◼   ► politics anymore i've got one thing [TS]

◼   ► that's even less fun it's even less fun [TS]

◼   ► than Trump and I have to talk about it [TS]

◼   ► no fun at all it's super mario run came [TS]

◼   ► out and my god it's got an in-app [TS]

◼   ► purchase oh my god so everyone came out [TS]

◼   ► yesterday [TS]

◼   ► here's how it works i think it was a [TS]

◼   ► mystery i don't think it was announced [TS]

◼   ► how exactly it i think i think we knew [TS]

◼   ► was that it was going to be a free [TS]

◼   ► download with a couple levels to play [TS]

◼   ► for free and then you have to buy it so [TS]

◼   ► way it works is free download you get [TS]

◼   ► three levels to play after that you need [TS]

◼   ► to buy it and it's ten bucks but the way [TS]

◼   ► that they're doing the in-app purchases [TS]

◼   ► such that the 10 boxes per device i [TS]

◼   ► think i don't think i think if i had an [TS]

◼   ► ipad i think I'd stuff that I've heard a [TS]

◼   ► complaint from my colleagues shawnee [TS]

◼   ► birds said that he had to buy for [TS]

◼   ► himself and his three kids got it he's [TS]

◼   ► got three boys that want to play it [TS]

◼   ► and you know it's a forty-dollar game [TS]

◼   ► for him now from Nintendo's perspective [TS]

◼   ► that's the way it's always worked right [TS]

◼   ► if you if you have a 3ds and your kids [TS]

◼   ► have a 3ds and you want to play this [TS]

◼   ► game you could you at the same time you [TS]

◼   ► could you don't have to buy your own [TS]

◼   ► version of it now it when it was [TS]

◼   ► cartridges you could like share the [TS]

◼   ► cartridge but then only one of you can [TS]

◼   ► play it at a time and there's no way to [TS]

◼   ► do that with in-app purchase you can [TS]

◼   ► have an in-app purchase that says your [TS]

◼   ► whole family can use this app but only [TS]

◼   ► one of you can use it at a time just [TS]

◼   ► doesn't work that way so from the [TS]

◼   ► nintendos perspective this isn't that [TS]

◼   ► unusual and they don't sell ten dollar [TS]

◼   ► games for the 3ds this would be like a [TS]

◼   ► forty or fifty dollar game for the 3ds [TS]

◼   ► but on the other hand before anybody [TS]

◼   ► even says it and writes to me don't [TS]

◼   ► write to me i understand that even with [TS]

◼   ► the purchase this entire game is [TS]

◼   ► probably less expensive than a typical [TS]

◼   ► 3ds game that it's smaller whatever I [TS]

◼   ► can't get 10 boxes so little [TS]

◼   ► honestly I do get it and that family [TS]

◼   ► sharing we use it we do we got a lot of [TS]

◼   ► stuff on the family sharing here in this [TS]

◼   ► particular case I I can't blame it i [TS]

◼   ► want intended to make money on this [TS]

◼   ► I do yeah I i I'd love to see a lot of [TS]

◼   ► game developers make money but yeah no [TS]

◼   ► argument from me that ten dollars is a [TS]

◼   ► per-device is a premium price for an [TS]

◼   ► iphone game but honestly I've played [TS]

◼   ► this game for a day now it's a premium [TS]

◼   ► game it is a premium game so yeah and I [TS]

◼   ► can and the the book problem right now [TS]

◼   ► though is that there are a lot of people [TS]

◼   ► who have been indoctrinated into the and [TS]

◼   ► all i can earn coins to to get what I [TS]

◼   ► want right it shouldn't cost me anything [TS]

◼   ► and they're the ones that are [TS]

◼   ► complaining about you know just this [TS]

◼   ► game right at the I mean we all love it [TS]

◼   ► is as developers we would all love it [TS]

◼   ► people just paid for the thing right [TS]

◼   ► that's what we all want just just spend [TS]

◼   ► your money if you like it buy it and in [TS]

◼   ► instead we're jumping through all these [TS]

◼   ► hoops you know doing you know things [TS]

◼   ► that make people look like they're not [TS]

◼   ► spending money because we call them [TS]

◼   ► coins instead of dollars and [TS]

◼   ► you know it's it's all you know that the [TS]

◼   ► deception and and let's just forget [TS]

◼   ► about that and kudos to to the handover [TS]

◼   ► just say hey it's going to cost you ten [TS]

◼   ► dollars deal with it [TS]

◼   ► yeah and the three levels that they let [TS]

◼   ► you play before you are asked for a [TS]

◼   ► nickel [TS]

◼   ► I think are indicative of the the [TS]

◼   ► gameplay and they even show you on a [TS]

◼   ► there's like when you complete a level [TS]

◼   ► they show you that there's six worlds of [TS]

◼   ► four levels each and so you get through [TS]

◼   ► the first three levels of the first [TS]

◼   ► world before you have to pay to continue [TS]

◼   ► you both have it you both have a very [TS]

◼   ► fair idea of what the game is like to [TS]

◼   ► play and you also have a very fair idea [TS]

◼   ► of how much is unlocked right when you [TS]

◼   ► pay the 10 bucks you do that to me too [TS]

◼   ► very fair deal and I think it you know [TS]

◼   ► again I you know and if you've got you [TS]

◼   ► know somebody's out there surely has [TS]

◼   ► three or four kids you know and it's [TS]

◼   ► like hey it's you know you tell me it's [TS]

◼   ► sixty dollar purchase for my kids and my [TS]

◼   ► wife and I to play this I understand [TS]

◼   ► that you know that that's pretty lights [TS]

◼   ► a lot of money for iphone game but you [TS]

◼   ► know I it i'd much rather have nintendo [TS]

◼   ► doing this and having it as a fair [TS]

◼   ► upfront price than to see Nintendo's to [TS]

◼   ► come to the you know keep putting two [TS]

◼   ► dollars in to buy a bag of coins to keep [TS]

◼   ► going you know where to alright get past [TS]

◼   ► this log jam you know this level is for [TS]

◼   ► all intent intent and purposes [TS]

◼   ► unbeatable unless you've got a thousand [TS]

◼   ► coins and you can only really have a [TS]

◼   ► thousand coins if you pay us three bucks [TS]

◼   ► right where go watch a bunch ads or [TS]

◼   ► whatever the hell these other games make [TS]

◼   ► you do it's you know it's not like that [TS]

◼   ► and I think it's you know and it to me [TS]

◼   ► that somebody I i know i'm not a [TS]

◼   ► die-hard gamer and probably the opposite [TS]

◼   ► actually probably spend a lot less time [TS]

◼   ► playing video games than the average [TS]

◼   ► person my age and probably for someone [TS]

◼   ► who's interested in technology and [TS]

◼   ► computers way I'm probably way at the [TS]

◼   ► bottom in terms of how much time I spent [TS]

◼   ► playing games i get the impression [TS]

◼   ► you're probably the same as me i went to [TS]

◼   ► my childhood before nintendo became a [TS]

◼   ► thing [TS]

◼   ► i I don't I don't get mario or any of [TS]

◼   ► the you know the [TS]

◼   ► that whole eighties gaming thing because [TS]

◼   ► the nominating I was you know 20 years [TS]

◼   ► old and had become an adult life so yeah [TS]

◼   ► it a different story for you to all that [TS]

◼   ► not only would a friend of mine having [TS]

◼   ► sorry but you know it's just the pong [TS]

◼   ► and all the other kinda crappy games and [TS]

◼   ► and you know at the same time that that [TS]

◼   ► was happening I was also discovering [TS]

◼   ► computers so it's like I could write my [TS]

◼   ► own computer games why the hell am I [TS]

◼   ► sitting in front of the TV e fiddling [TS]

◼   ► with this little dial that's like calm [TS]

◼   ► and I got I got a basic interpreter this [TS]

◼   ► is way better [TS]

◼   ► right i understand the feeling exactly [TS]

◼   ► yeah i could be making something and [TS]

◼   ► that's this date and I'm glad it [TS]

◼   ► happened that way it made you know made [TS]

◼   ► me who I am [TS]

◼   ► yeah I have an on/off I've never been a [TS]

◼   ► huge Nintendo fan I never like I didn't [TS]

◼   ► like the NES and I went in my college [TS]

◼   ► years there was the at this is not the [TS]

◼   ► n64 super nintendo super nintendo was [TS]

◼   ► the one of the early nineties early and [TS]

◼   ► mid nineties i had a Sega Genesis which [TS]

◼   ► was I thought the superior system at [TS]

◼   ► least for the type of games i wanted to [TS]

◼   ► play like John Madden football and that [TS]

◼   ► the NHL hockey game and Sega's version [TS]

◼   ► of mario was Sonic the Hedgehog em right [TS]

◼   ► here's the 22 d scroller i did have an [TS]

◼   ► n64 which I liked a lot later on [TS]

◼   ► probably the last console I really [TS]

◼   ► played a lot although i guess i had an [TS]

◼   ► original xbox too i played that [TS]

◼   ► sometimes how old were you when your own [TS]

◼   ► as a kid [TS]

◼   ► well when what how old were you when [TS]

◼   ► you're playing these games Sega Genesis [TS]

◼   ► was my college years so that archaic 91 [TS]

◼   ► 296 right roughly that was a 32-bit [TS]

◼   ► system i was at 16 years yeah you said [TS]

◼   ► that its you're sending a dorm room with [TS]

◼   ► the its up thing to party with right [TS]

◼   ► yeah exactly it was a dorm was a big [TS]

◼   ► room thing and it's partly because the [TS]

◼   ► the EA sports games I don't even know [TS]

◼   ► that they had them for Nintendo's Super [TS]

◼   ► Nintendo and if they did they were [TS]

◼   ► inferior like that the Sega Genesis was [TS]

◼   ► better at [TS]

◼   ► sports games and that was what we all [TS]

◼   ► played each other and that was what we [TS]

◼   ► played non-stop and 64 was good though [TS]

◼   ► there was this gold my game [TS]

◼   ► anybody who had it knows exactly what [TS]

◼   ► I'm talking about and anybody that was [TS]

◼   ► at 3d shooter and you'd play you can [TS]

◼   ► play against your roommate and it it was [TS]

◼   ► split screen so you each got like you [TS]

◼   ► split the screen it because it was a 423 [TS]

◼   ► screen it was African if it was [TS]

◼   ► horizontal and you've got like a real [TS]

◼   ► wide angle thing or if it was [TS]

◼   ► side-to-side i think it was actually [TS]

◼   ► forget true story to story I had a [TS]

◼   ► roommate my first year after college I [TS]

◼   ► had a roommate a Don and we played we [TS]

◼   ► had an n64 and that was when the [TS]

◼   ► PlayStation first came out the original [TS]

◼   ► playstation and what we used to do was [TS]

◼   ► rent video games you could go to be how [TS]

◼   ► to get a disk so you'd go to blockbuster [TS]

◼   ► and you could rent a game for four days [TS]

◼   ► for I don't know five bucks four bucks [TS]

◼   ► way cheaper than buying $60 games right [TS]

◼   ► we didn't have the money to buy a bunch [TS]

◼   ► of 64 games the renting thing was [TS]

◼   ► awesome [TS]

◼   ► so we have an n64 you basically it's a [TS]

◼   ► binge on the game and you know you if [TS]

◼   ► you're getting that the the content for [TS]

◼   ► that so go to blog we'd go to [TS]

◼   ► blockbuster and you look and like the [TS]

◼   ► PlayStation section had all of these [TS]

◼   ► awesome games like at the time realistic [TS]

◼   ► car racing games and shooters and all [TS]

◼   ► these awesome games and then a nintendo [TS]

◼   ► section had like seven titles and most [TS]

◼   ► of them for like four little kids but [TS]

◼   ► then goldeneye came out and goldeneye [TS]

◼   ► fixed everything in fact that [TS]

◼   ► effectively are n64 turned into a [TS]

◼   ► dedicated golden-eyed box it was a good [TS]

◼   ► one player game it had this a very long [TS]

◼   ► campaign where you played James Bond [TS]

◼   ► going through the gold movie scenario [TS]

◼   ► really good first part you know 1 player [TS]

◼   ► mode and then the two-player thing was [TS]

◼   ► just unbelievably fun unbelievably fun [TS]

◼   ► and eventually I got just every was one [TS]

◼   ► of the only games i ever got pretty good [TS]

◼   ► at and I i got ever so slightly better [TS]

◼   ► than Don was like this is after maybe a [TS]

◼   ► whole year of playing [TS]

◼   ► and I was always a fraction of a section [TS]

◼   ► a second quicker than him and it got to [TS]

◼   ► the point where he couldn't be here we [TS]

◼   ► used to be like 50 50 and it was I [TS]

◼   ► somehow gained like i leveled up a [TS]

◼   ► little bit and he couldn't beat me at [TS]

◼   ► one time me through this controller out [TS]

◼   ► the window and we lived on the third [TS]

◼   ► floor and divine help control our but it [TS]

◼   ► was the most satisfying victory ever [TS]

◼   ► right and look at be more satisfying and [TS]

◼   ► making your friend throw his controller [TS]

◼   ► out the window [TS]

◼   ► yeah but that point you're pretty much [TS]

◼   ► done with the game right because the guy [TS]

◼   ► that you can never win again and you [TS]

◼   ► know it's like okay my play you know but [TS]

◼   ► anyway then my other experience with [TS]

◼   ► nintendo's we had the wii the one the [TS]

◼   ► first you know not the we don't ya gonna [TS]

◼   ► get the week was great [TS]

◼   ► not that the one where he did have that [TS]

◼   ► big basically the physical games are [TS]

◼   ► awesome [TS]

◼   ► right right it's just got people moving [TS]

◼   ► around i thought that was right and that [TS]

◼   ► that was how John learn to play video [TS]

◼   ► games we had that when he was I don't [TS]

◼   ► know three or four or something like [TS]

◼   ► that and that's a little like that's [TS]

◼   ► another one where you can throw the [TS]

◼   ► controller but not necessarily because [TS]

◼   ► um it right we have these we have this [TS]

◼   ► weird Jonas I laugh about it is Jonas is [TS]

◼   ► very much into video games now he's [TS]

◼   ► almost 13 is that when he first started [TS]

◼   ► playing there's a great great series [TS]

◼   ► games these Lego games where you play as [TS]

◼   ► a lego character from like movies and [TS]

◼   ► you go through and you know like the one [TS]

◼   ► that we play that was the first one was [TS]

◼   ► the lego star wars and you dis game and [TS]

◼   ► it had all six of the original Star Wars [TS]

◼   ► movies meaning the first three from you [TS]

◼   ► know the eighties then the prequels and [TS]

◼   ► II each one was broken up into six like [TS]

◼   ► adventure so you had 36 adventures to go [TS]

◼   ► through from all of the Star Wars movies [TS]

◼   ► and you just play as two characters at [TS]

◼   ► the same time on screen and you go [TS]

◼   ► through and smash things up and take the [TS]

◼   ► bricks and rebuild them into other [TS]

◼   ► things and it was very very good just [TS]

◼   ► very fun very very kid friendly but very [TS]

◼   ► fun for me as an adult to play too but [TS]

◼   ► the funny thing was that when we first [TS]

◼   ► are playing out of Genesis three or four [TS]

◼   ► probably around four was that and it's [TS]

◼   ► sort of i can I so what's a isomorphic [TS]

◼   ► pretty perspective [TS]

◼   ► isometric right yeah isometric [TS]

◼   ► perspective the game and it Jonas just [TS]

◼   ► had tremendous trouble like if you had [TS]

◼   ► to walk on it you had to get your [TS]

◼   ► terrible all accounts catwalk diagonally [TS]

◼   ► right I not even like a tightrope but [TS]

◼   ► you know but like a a three-character [TS]

◼   ► wide catwalk that was at a 45-degree [TS]

◼   ► angle he would just keep falling off and [TS]

◼   ► it's one of these games read you don't [TS]

◼   ► we did you probably didn't have the [TS]

◼   ► spatial capabilities in his brain right [TS]

◼   ► that's just the right being able to say [TS]

◼   ► to project that into right it is mine [TS]

◼   ► yeah and if I transferred into a [TS]

◼   ► movement with his thumb right right and [TS]

◼   ► it's one of these games are one of a [TS]

◼   ► part of that part of what made it so [TS]

◼   ► much fun to play with a little kid is [TS]

◼   ► that you you never you don't run out of [TS]

◼   ► lives and have to start the level over [TS]

◼   ► every time you die you just lose some of [TS]

◼   ► the coins you picked up and it just [TS]

◼   ► shoot you back to you know 15 you know [TS]

◼   ► five feet away from where you died you [TS]

◼   ► just keep responding and Udall you lose [TS]

◼   ► our these coins and when you finish the [TS]

◼   ► level with the most coins it's an [TS]

◼   ► accomplishment so you know you can you [TS]

◼   ► know finishing without buying which is [TS]

◼   ► gives you more coins so there's an [TS]

◼   ► advantage to not dying but you never [TS]

◼   ► actually like have to start the level of [TS]

◼   ► her but there would be a certain things [TS]

◼   ► where he just basically could navigate [TS]

◼   ► and Italy I think I'm a pretty patient [TS]

◼   ► father but eventually it's like just [TS]

◼   ► give me that give me that haha [TS]

◼   ► dad's gonna help you out here right and [TS]

◼   ► it wasn't like getting in past like a [TS]

◼   ► boss you know villain it was just [TS]

◼   ► getting him through like a very narrow [TS]

◼   ► hard to navigate little thing and it's [TS]

◼   ► just very it's very comical now when i [TS]

◼   ► try to play video games with him because [TS]

◼   ► he's actually the opposite yeah I was [TS]

◼   ► gonna say kick these kicking your ass [TS]

◼   ► now right cause including on he's got [TS]

◼   ► nice i could reflect your reflexes ya s [TS]

◼   ► what was it was a lego game like lego [TS]

◼   ► batman or something like that and I was [TS]

◼   ► like I'll play that with you and I [TS]

◼   ► started playing and it was clear that i [TS]

◼   ► was holding up that right anything you [TS]

◼   ► know he loves you and everything we talk [TS]

◼   ► about your feelings but he's like dad [TS]

◼   ► just just well I was like remember when [TS]

◼   ► you'd be the one holding me back and [TS]

◼   ► he'd be if he laughs he had a good and [TS]

◼   ► yeah but it was very clear that i was [TS]

◼   ► the one holding him back [TS]

◼   ► anyway I wish nintendo the best i think [TS]

◼   ► they're going to do very well with that [TS]

◼   ► complaints about the prices side it does [TS]

◼   ► seem like they're being very aggressive [TS]

◼   ► on the trying to keep the whatever [TS]

◼   ► countermeasures they've taken against [TS]

◼   ► piracy it seems like they've done quite [TS]

◼   ► a bit [TS]

◼   ► one of them being and here's the one [TS]

◼   ► that's going to affect honest people the [TS]

◼   ► most is the game does not play if you [TS]

◼   ► don't have a network connection i tested [TS]

◼   ► it is very true [TS]

◼   ► like if you turn on airplane mode and [TS]

◼   ► try to start the game it says look you [TS]

◼   ► know try to move this trying to move [TS]

◼   ► somewhere where you have a better [TS]

◼   ► network connection [TS]

◼   ► oh that's not gonna that's not going to [TS]

◼   ► play out well I mean it soon as somebody [TS]

◼   ► you know it's like on launch day you're [TS]

◼   ► not going to notice that but over time [TS]

◼   ► you know you're going to be one even [TS]

◼   ► played in that in the subway on an [TS]

◼   ► airplane airplane right yeah well and [TS]

◼   ► it's funny people have even pointed out [TS]

◼   ► that the announcement miyamoto even said [TS]

◼   ► because it's totally playable one-handed [TS]

◼   ► that it's great to play in the subway [TS]

◼   ► now maybe and I know maybe he's thinking [TS]

◼   ► of I don't know I've never been to Tokyo [TS]

◼   ► but maybe tokyo i wouldn't be surprised [TS]

◼   ► if it is one of those cities with us [TS]

◼   ► yes you have are you be good cell [TS]

◼   ► service [TS]

◼   ► yeah I noticed the last time up last [TS]

◼   ► trip to WTC that the tercel service and [TS]

◼   ► barknow you know from the airport to [TS]

◼   ► downtown you pretty much have a network [TS]

◼   ► connection all the time [TS]

◼   ► alright but when this witness news came [TS]

◼   ► out that the game doesn't work without a [TS]

◼   ► network connection a bunch of readers [TS]

◼   ► wrote to me and just said well my kid [TS]

◼   ► you know has a ipod touch or you know [TS]

◼   ► that the the ipod touch that an awful [TS]

◼   ► lot of kids have is a two or three-year [TS]

◼   ► old iphone that doesn't have a sim card [TS]

◼   ► you know just a hand-me-down here's my [TS]

◼   ► you know this was dad's iphone from two [TS]

◼   ► years ago [TS]

◼   ► just take the self just take the sim [TS]

◼   ► card out and you've got a you know a [TS]

◼   ► hand-me-down ipod touch and entices yeah [TS]

◼   ► and a car trips that's another it you [TS]

◼   ► know yeah that's it that's exactly it do [TS]

◼   ► you want it in then ok ok where you have [TS]

◼   ► to set up a Wi-Fi hotspot just the kids [TS]

◼   ► complain intend oh right right [TS]

◼   ► it's like thanks right let's drain mom [TS]

◼   ► and dad's batteries so we can play [TS]

◼   ► Nintendo [TS]

◼   ► and I saw something about the fact that [TS]

◼   ► the game has a lot of it doesn't seem to [TS]

◼   ► run on a lot of jail Brooks it seems I [TS]

◼   ► which he only makes me think that [TS]

◼   ► nintendo is specifically looking for [TS]

◼   ► signs of common jailbreaks and is [TS]

◼   ► refusing to run how they cannot do that [TS]

◼   ► that's actually hard thing to do in the [TS]

◼   ► sandbox use the Apple might've looked [TS]

◼   ► the other way I one of these things i [TS]

◼   ► don't know i don't want to know you know [TS]

◼   ► not knowing how it works or anything but [TS]

◼   ► month that would be my first reaction [TS]

◼   ► it's like maybe there's my other [TS]

◼   ► question or eight other questions [TS]

◼   ► it's it is iOS exclusive right now it is [TS]

◼   ► apparently coming to android eventually [TS]

◼   ► how long do you think until it comes out [TS]

◼   ► on Android and be a google will probably [TS]

◼   ► want to use it like Apple did is the way [TS]

◼   ► to to promote new software release or [TS]

◼   ► something like that i could see it [TS]

◼   ► happening at the next io or something [TS]

◼   ► you know [TS]

◼   ► just forget I wonder if they played well [TS]

◼   ► at the iphone 7 launched it will play [TS]

◼   ► well at some google launched so i think [TS]

◼   ► that that would be your answer [TS]

◼   ► so maybe like six months I don't know [TS]

◼   ► what is it was in six months I don't [TS]

◼   ► know [TS]

◼   ► yeah who knows I mean it's that the [TS]

◼   ► half-life for games these days pretty a [TS]

◼   ► pretty insane it's it's like a Pokemon [TS]

◼   ► go right middle of summer it was just [TS]

◼   ► everywhere attacking you know we had a [TS]

◼   ► back down to the beach where do i go [TS]

◼   ► every day it's like there's just one [TS]

◼   ► tree that everybody standing under [TS]

◼   ► because that shade and pokemon terms & [TS]

◼   ► Company kind of funny is like everybody [TS]

◼   ► walked my idea of the pokemon spotting [TS]

◼   ► on and you know you talk to people there [TS]

◼   ► yeah I'm late for them you know the gym [TS]

◼   ► or whatever it is and oh my god I saw a [TS]

◼   ► thing on something on Twitter I wish I [TS]

◼   ► had had it but it was the gist of it was [TS]

◼   ► somebody was like oh my god I can't [TS]

◼   ► believe they had to put the sign up [TS]

◼   ► somebody was in like a museum [TS]

◼   ► oh yeah or something and it was like a [TS]

◼   ► part where they were showing like [TS]

◼   ► something really grave and serious it [TS]

◼   ► was like relics from a like a [TS]

◼   ► concentration camp or something like [TS]

◼   ► that you know something really really [TS]

◼   ► grave and serious you know like here's a [TS]

◼   ► bunch of artifacts from some kind of [TS]

◼   ► internment camp early i don't think was [TS]

◼   ► the Holocaust but something like that [TS]

◼   ► we're like a bunch of people were you [TS]

◼   ► know political no prisoners and and [TS]

◼   ► people died and went on a long time and [TS]

◼   ► there's a sign up that said please no [TS]

◼   ► pokemon go right like because that you [TS]

◼   ► can only imagine like a sign like that [TS]

◼   ► doesn't go up unless people were doing [TS]

◼   ► it [TS]

◼   ► yeah I know like some ya ever hear that [TS]

◼   ► they're reacting to something [TS]

◼   ► yeah right I you know I thought they [TS]

◼   ► don't want it in it in the middle of [TS]

◼   ► summer I was but one of the thoughts I [TS]

◼   ► had was like that you what happens when [TS]

◼   ► it gets cold at all these people going [TS]

◼   ► out hunting for pokemon what they're [TS]

◼   ► going to do when it's you know raining [TS]

◼   ► or snowing or you know middle of a [TS]

◼   ► hurricane or whatever and it's like em [TS]

◼   ► you know so that they watched that in a [TS]

◼   ► really good time and you know maybe they [TS]

◼   ► have [TS]

◼   ► have [TS]

◼   ► the expectation that it is going to have [TS]

◼   ► six great months and then who knows [TS]

◼   ► I think we're in the who knows right now [TS]

◼   ► and I think you know maybe you know [TS]

◼   ► Mario on iOS is going to be the same way [TS]

◼   ► I suspect or not it's there's a lot to [TS]

◼   ► be said for that brand same is true with [TS]

◼   ► pokemon there you know this huge Brandt [TS]

◼   ► a lot of the nostalgia and that brand [TS]

◼   ► I mean that's just you know the fact [TS]

◼   ► that you were you know talking about you [TS]

◼   ► know all your past consoles and games [TS]

◼   ► you played I mean that's it doesn't it's [TS]

◼   ► nostalgia is a powerful thing and yeah [TS]

◼   ► that's it in it it's it's interesting [TS]

◼   ► too that that that Mario is is is [TS]

◼   ► nostalgic that's getting passed on right [TS]

◼   ► there there's a there's a generation of [TS]

◼   ► kids now that we're going to grow up and [TS]

◼   ► their first encounter with Mario is [TS]

◼   ► going to be you know on their their [TS]

◼   ► iphone their ipad there [TS]

◼   ► I know ipod touch you know that's that's [TS]

◼   ► their beginning and working over here [TS]

◼   ► who knows [TS]

◼   ► yeah the comparison i think is you know [TS]

◼   ► and it's it's obvious one that a [TS]

◼   ► thousand people have made before is to [TS]

◼   ► mickey mouse and the Donald Duck and you [TS]

◼   ► know the whole gang of characters that [TS]

◼   ► is you know so old that the disney [TS]

◼   ► literally has to keep petitioning the US [TS]

◼   ► federal government to keep extending the [TS]

◼   ► copyright expiration date because [TS]

◼   ► they're sold that they would have [TS]

◼   ► already passed into the public domain by [TS]

◼   ► now and yet are completely relevant and [TS]

◼   ► popular and and a good source of revenue [TS]

◼   ► right now get me that whatever you want [TS]

◼   ► to be popular for a reason right [TS]

◼   ► well in one reason one reason why that [TS]

◼   ► they remain popular is that even under [TS]

◼   ► Walt Disney I think it started with Walt [TS]

◼   ► was don't be afraid to move them into [TS]

◼   ► new media just keep keep going up with [TS]

◼   ► technology don't don't don't say will [TS]

◼   ► make he's a movie star so he's never [TS]

◼   ► going to be on TV now we're going to [TS]

◼   ► have a TV show and and you know get [TS]

◼   ► everybody to watch it is one of my [TS]

◼   ► favorite stories and it's one of the [TS]

◼   ► best comparisons between Walt Disney and [TS]

◼   ► steve jobs that I've ever seen was that [TS]

◼   ► he was so willing to let go of the past [TS]

◼   ► and always hungry for the future which [TS]

◼   ► was the it goes against human nature i [TS]

◼   ► mean it even ties back to our discussion [TS]

◼   ► on trumpet those tech leaders and Trump [TS]

◼   ► seeing his job as president as [TS]

◼   ► protecting the current top companies as [TS]

◼   ► opposed to just keeping it fair and [TS]

◼   ► letting the revolution happened you know [TS]

◼   ► Walt was you know in the fifties when TV [TS]

◼   ► started becoming thing the movie studios [TS]

◼   ► were totally disdainful of television [TS]

◼   ► and saw it as a lesser medium I mean we [TS]

◼   ► saw that until it really up until they [TS]

◼   ► just a handful of years ago [TS]

◼   ► we're being a an actor in the movies [TS]

◼   ► with c is seen as way more serious than [TS]

◼   ► being an actor and TV it really took [TS]

◼   ► until the last handful of years and [TS]

◼   ► shows like The Sopranos and madmen and [TS]

◼   ► West world where people & Game of [TS]

◼   ► Thrones where people see TV is being as [TS]

◼   ► good or even better than movies [TS]

◼   ► yeah Walt Disney unlike all the other [TS]

◼   ► hollywood studios the other Holly do it [TS]

◼   ► the way that Hollywood attack the TV was [TS]

◼   ► by my and part of it is cool i love [TS]

◼   ► cinema scope and seventy millimeter [TS]

◼   ► prince is that that's when TV that's [TS]

◼   ► when movies switched from the 43 aspect [TS]

◼   ► ratio 1699 and bigger the bigger [TS]