176: ‘Frolic’, With Special Guest Craig Hockenberry
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Craig's good to hear your voice yeah
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it's been awhile since we talked yeah
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what you wanna do this let's just get
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out of the way we got to talk about this
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Trump tech tech summit because here's
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you know what I said when I think I mean
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you're going to lead off with this I
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would have you know starting my heart
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here's the thing even as I'm not really
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shying away from writing about politics
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on daring fireball even if I decided
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that if I had chosen differently and
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said you know what I'm not you know
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whatever my feelings are going to make
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this a politics frite site even even in
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this there's that here's an intersection
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of of Trump administration incoming
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Trump administration and the stuff that
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I do right about that
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I you know would be criminal not to
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mention it so what happened i have for
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anybody either head-in-the-sand Trump
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and his buddy Peter teal put together
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summit of the invited I don't they only
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invited 10 people i think there were
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like 14 people from Trump's immediate
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family and his girl Friday transition
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team and attendant there and 10 liters
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of of the US tech industry who were in
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I think it was Tim Cook from apple or a
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primo seat to away from Trump you know
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the seating you know if you look at the
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seating chart it was clearly very very
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pleased thought out
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yeah I just thought out definitely yeah
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i mean you don't you don't just say only
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a one two three kids sit over here right
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it's looking at it that into the tables
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like the you know that the kids table at
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Thanksgiving right well yeah I mean that
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did the thing that got me was that the
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picture of a of tim cook right this is
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just the look on his face and I I try
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not to read into pictures too much I
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mean you have all done you know you know
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you're watching a video or whatever and
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you know you pause and it's like the
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person making that face which is like
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what the heck you know that because it
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doesn't fit into the
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the story is going on with it just
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making some funny face right but I look
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at that picture of tim cook and that is
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the expression i think i would have if i
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was at that meeting right just like
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ashen kind of what the hell is going on
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somebody you are to watch the HBO show
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that Larry David Choe curb your
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enthusiasm because they the show for
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anybody doesn't want to show usually
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it's a very it the the show is
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incredibly awkward it's about it's
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nothing about other than about creating
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awkward situations and then a typical
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Arizona and in a horribly awkward
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situation with a freeze frame and then
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it's funny music comes up
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yeah that's all that was missing is that
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funny music but there's another thing to
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where I'm always hesitant to especially
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at coming out of a political election
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whether it's national or local there's
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obviously there's it its and it's only
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gotten worse because i think i think
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because our politics have gotten so much
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more partisan and the fact that there
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are so many more photographs taken
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because digital cameras if you ever
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watched these press conferences that it
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it really almost sounds like it's not a
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war zone but it almost where where that
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the pro photographers in the the
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journalists have these SLR digital SLRs
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and they just they just hold the shutter
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down and they just keep right they just
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keep shooting you know six to eight
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frames per second every second non-stop
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because the cardstock know that
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yeah that that's what I'm saying about
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you know it's really easy these days to
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cherry pick an image right to find the
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one where Tim Cook is making that face
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because you know you've thought the
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right names you know and I don't think
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about the case that right and so on
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election ads in election ads you are in
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both sides do it it's this is here's one
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where it's not really a partisan thing
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but they tend to find an unflattering
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photo of the opponent of to put in the
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ad if it's an attack ad and a lot of
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times I think it's very obvious that you
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can tell that it's just one of those
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like everybody knows it like when you're
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going through your family photos and you
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say like you know you know look at that
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sunset here you guys stand right there
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i'll take a couple photos and like the
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you know somebody you know one of the
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subjects in your family just looks
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horrible just absolutely like because
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elastic mid blank right here it's like
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you look like you're smoking bongs all
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day because your eyes you're halfway
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and it's like right or just more like
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like this the person was you know they
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know that you're taking a couple of
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photos and they're trying to hold their
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eyes open for the first one and then it
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just feels like there's something in
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there so they make like a weird blink to
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like clear their eyes hopefully before
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you shoot the next shutter but in fact
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it's mid shutter and they just look not
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so I don't think that's Tim Cook in this
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scenario it looks to me you know like
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that no like that that's that that would
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you know that is how I would feel in
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that situation I don't you know it's
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like and it's it's you know didn't
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Thompson made a good thing in his a good
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point in his newsletter admit that
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really struck me was that Trump is
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saying you know how we want to help you
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well there's a flip side to that right
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what happens if he does not want to help
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you write he sees these already over
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what is it last week or maybe earlier
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this week where he put out that tweeted
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about canceling a Lockheed order and
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their stock tanked
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yep and I do we series he's got some
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power now and you don't want that power
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to affect your shareholder value the
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week before he was complaining about an
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Air Force One order for our Air Force
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order for a a new Air Force One you know
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there aren't they are an Air Force One
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and you know if you're like good just
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one of those things that I knew but I i
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find fascinating i find air force one to
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be a fascinating things like a history
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geek and you know just someone who's up
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that's about so i'm a proud American and
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I like certain aspects of it and air
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force ones cool thing but one of the
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things I've always known is that Air
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Force One is not an airplane a single
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airplane it's actually right there's two
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yep its Air Force One is the official
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designation of the one that's carrying
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the president so right like if the
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President of the United States is like
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sitting in the Oval Office there is no
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air force one right there are trains
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that could be our force one but it
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force one when the president of the
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united states is on the plane and then
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it gets that official designation and
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that the two that they have right now
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were a commissioned under the Reagan
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administration and I believe george HW
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bush was the first to fly them so these
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are these planes have been in use for
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the original George Bush Bill Clinton
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George W Bush and Barack Obama and they
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will be the ones that Trump gets the
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that the new ones that the Air Force's
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looking to commission would not be ready
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until either the very very very tail end
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of an eight-year Trump administration
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which let's face it whenever you know if
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we get eight years at Trump we going to
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meet ya gonna be an earth day and I
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don't want a lot more is his successor
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anyway Trump bitched about the cost of
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these planes and and Boeing's stock tank
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you know not tagged it didn't recover
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but he tweets and stocks move that it's
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a fact I mean like we it in between the
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joking about it and you know that the
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partisanship of it i mean there's just
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no denial that when the president's
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state comes out and says he's you know
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like to cancel of the five billion
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dollar order for Air Force One
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yeah that's going to have an effect on
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the company yeah is it that I read the
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other day that that on Bloomberg now the
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Bloomberg terminals that-that-that-that
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the market uses to keep track with Miz
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as Trump streets on it now they just
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feed Trump's tweets into the Bloomberg
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terminals as it's important to know that
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immediately exactly it moves the economy
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that's like she sits
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so now I I let me read for this because
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i actually wrote to Ben depends on the
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show all the time and he's a friend and
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I told him I thought his take was
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excellent it was I filed it under the
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eye i wish i had a thought of it but
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that exactly what you said that that the
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hey I'm here to help you folks do well
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that's actually an actual quote from him
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i'm here to help you folks do well and
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we're going to be there for you
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yeah it's it is a violation of economics
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is bunk reading from Ben's email
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government on to be sent setting and
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enforcing the rules of the game not
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actively helping one of the teams it's a
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recipe for not just corporate accuracy
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and the inevitable corruption that comes
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parentheses this is where I know that
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trumps children attended the meeting and
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parentheses but the closing off of
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opportunity to the unknown companies
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that might challenge those large enough
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to be quote helped this should be of
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particular concern to the startup
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ecosystem and I can't say it any better
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than that I think it's exactly right
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that it's that's you know and again you
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say you know there's there's positives
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and negatives to every system of
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government but you know part of the gist
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of a democratic capitalist nation is
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that the role of government
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I i think this is then again there's
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only this is a partisan viewpoint I
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think it's just a statement of fact that
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kids learned in elementary school if the
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role of the government is doing keep a
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fair level playing field yeah it's all
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out there as exactly it's all about
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fairness and that's the discussion about
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diversity to it's about fairness right
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and you know protecting any idea that
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the role of the president's to protect
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the 10 biggest corporations and tech is
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the opposite of it because the whole
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point is that it's healthy for for
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example you know like in if this meeting
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had been held in nineteen eighty 180
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would have been one of the would have
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been d probably the company right yeah
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you know in fact that they yeah and it
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goes against competition right you know
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Apple maps is getting better because
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it's competing against google maps and
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android is getting better because it's
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competing against the iphone right that
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that competition and having a
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competition be fair is what makes it
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work right if somebody comes along and
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says you know well hey Tim Cook you know
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m-maybe Google's better right little
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hole what did you're not competing on a
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fair playing field at that point and I
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think everybody in tech would have a
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problem that ever affect hopefully
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everybody in the US with our problem
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with that yet that's the road that we're
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heading down right now most most people
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in Texas has been noted before this
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meeting that most of the industry was
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unfit you know on the side of Hillary
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Clinton in this election on for several
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reasons but a lot certainly largely on
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on immigration and on social issues like
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young gay rights and and don't like that
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yeah one of the people though I believe
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this CEO of oracle her name she's
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actually in the same picture with with
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yeah she looks very happy to be there
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she's very enthusiastic in her remarks
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before the the meeting and and then
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after the meeting it was announced that
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she's joining his transition team and in
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some form right and she's going to be
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obviously some people and selling
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databases but my question is it there's
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a large number of people and I think it
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has to be addressed
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whoo-hoo think that the people like Tim
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Cook satya nadella from Microsoft larry
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page from google should not have
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attended this meeting they should have
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declined the invitation
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action ended on the basis that it was
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just dog-and-pony show and it was just a
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photo opportunity for Trump and his
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children and his transition team to have
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these people parade in front of the
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media I mean there's a reason why the
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media was there and that the photographs
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are taken and it wasn't you know
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certainly could have been held privately
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if they wanted to was not it was help
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publicly certainly not for the benefit
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of those who are invited it was certain
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you know only for the benefit of
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companies transition team
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I don't think that's disputable right
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should they have declined the invitation
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I on the basis of of it being a form of
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protest against Trump and what he you
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know what he campaigned on and what he's
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you know trying to do
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alright I think that they're playing a
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longer game here
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yes it is a PR opportunity in fact that
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you know these that PR opportunity to
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take a swipe at Twitter right now but
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just over the whole crooked Hillary
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thing and yeah I don't think you wanna
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it's it's not a matter of a agreeing
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with him at this point I think it's
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pretty safe to do
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oracle CEO is named safra catz by the
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way I want to get that out there so
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before the meetings after cats the one
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who has joined his transition team while
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remaining at oracle CEO i should add her
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quote was I plan to tell the
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president-elect that we are with him and
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will help in any way we can
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and my my take on during fireball was
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that that sounds a lot like I'm ready to
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spit science it's shining shoes because
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ready to help in any way we can is an
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end with him are pretty unequivocal
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statement of support which i don't think
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are supported and compare and contrast
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that and I pointed this out on during
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fireball I think Tim Cook ed and
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unsurprisingly so was very very precise
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in his on-the-record remarks so what
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they did is they started the meeting by
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going around the table and introduce
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themselves and hit Tim Cook all he said
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was Tim Cook very good to be here
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not very glad very good to be here and I
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fact that the ibookstore it's never the
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dominant seller they were yeah they were
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at every point along the way way smaller
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than amazon but I would almost point
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realizing that Washington is a game
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true it's beyond you know that what it
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saying no it was a mistake
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were we look at that situation purely
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that's not our Washington works at all
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it's it's more emotions and politics and
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leverage and that kind of thing so yeah
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that's in fact that's probably what this
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this you know they went into this
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meeting with you know that's like okay
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how am I gonna survive what's going on
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such a small small and invitation list
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yeah i thought it interesting you know
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that you know of the invites three of
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them more women in Iran body the the CEO
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Zuckerberg did not attend Sandberg up
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attended as the representative which i
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think is that I don't even think it was
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just to see a woman at the table i think
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follow facebook anywhere near as closely
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apple or some other companies but i
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think it's representative of her role
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there i think i think it's very fair to
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say that she's she is tues och what Cook
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was to Steve Jobs yep you know that more
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than a lot more than a red typical coo
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more of a partner
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many many times but i believe it as much
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now as I ever did that it during
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especially i would say like from the
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iphone on especially like but at some
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point I believe now maybe even before
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that I you know but at some point cook
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do think that if you described Tim
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Cook's day-to-day activities at Apple to
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somebody who didn't know the company and
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you said what position do you think this
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Steve Jobs was really more like a
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day-to-day head of product and
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Tim Cook ran the company and I think
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Sheryl Sandberg has that same role was
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Zuckerberg can focus is his time
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entirely on product and she handles yeah
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this other stuff that needs to be
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influential is as Facebook and the
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advantage for those people who are
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charged with the innovation and
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developing the products that they get to
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think about things that are important to
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them and you know there's a lot of stuff
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that about running a company that that
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people like that don't want to do right
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regard right that the right they you
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know that you know they're the ones that
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keep the machine running and you know
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that's probably a more appropriate
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person to send to a meeting with Trump
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then you know somebody whose innovative
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say something that's damaging to come
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here is that this so that I i wrote this
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if steve jobs were still around thing
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too often because i think can be so
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overused but i do O God that would have
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about it and I you know I think
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everybody i was it is me and matt trance
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people and I think we were all in
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complete agreement that if steve jobs in
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the alternate universe where steve jobs
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you know was still healthy and was still
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at apple if if he were at that meeting
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it would have been fascinating at least
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as soon as the press left the room and
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then there were reports i will add that
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there were reports that that two of the
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attendees cook and mosque got private
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meetings with Trump afterwards so maybe
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the fireworks would have happened in
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that meeting if Steve Jobs had a private
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meeting with Trump but there is
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absolutely no way I don't you know damn
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there is no way Steve Jobs was Cal
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telling to trump know and I don't think
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he'll count-out either now I don't know
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Terrance if I think the difference
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was that could bite his tongue and Steve
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Jobs couldn't I think that's one thing
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about and that's one thing about the end
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of the passion that's involved with
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innovation right that's a much harder
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thing to hold it back Tim Cook you know
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he's a guy who negotiates contracts and
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stuff he knows when to shut up but I
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great there's a good chance and and the
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doctor wave and rents I think agreed
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that even in the alternate universe
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where steve jobs is still an apple Cook
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was the one who would go to that meeting
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yesterday with the channel Sandberg
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exactly yeah no no doubt in my mind that
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that would happen because you know Steve
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Jobs is with self-aware enough to know
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that yes he had that streak and that
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streak can be used for good it can also
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be used for evil right and you know
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that's well and at what it's got watchin
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you watchin on the part of apple and
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then on the other hand i also think it
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would have been a strategy strategic way
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to not give Trump what he wanted which
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is that I mean Tim Cook is well no I
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mean how yeah yeah yeah
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yes the biggest you know the company is
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very well known but he's nowhere near as
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famous as Steve Jobs ya know where you
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have a day before Kanye West was having
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a meeting with them right that's it
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that's the level of person and he wants
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to be associated with right day if if
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you paid gallop to you know go around
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the country and and get a you know
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10,000 random people and ask them who
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Tim Cook is your I don't know what the
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awareness is it certainly higher than
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most people and most CEOs but if you ask
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them who steve jobs is it's you know
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it's practically up at like Walt Disney
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levels right yeah they could describe
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what it looks like and yeah assist yeah
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that's right they're not serving not
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sending Steve Jobs would have been a way
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to sort of lesson apples involvement in
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the dog-and-pony show of it we're a
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nation doesn't really right yeah they
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don't really do anything and everything
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that it's a little bit of a way to give
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Trump the finger to write you know just
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no no we're not sending our best person
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we're sending our second best person
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Bezos what Bezos was there Jenny you
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said Jimmy Jimmy Romney from IBM Larry
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Page Google had two people
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well alphabet and whatever Larry Page
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what's his name smit area of it yeah and
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Microsoft head to a satya nadella and
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then Brad whatever-his-name-is their CEO
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it was weird that Microsoft got google
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got to an apple only got one and I
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wonder if that was by choice if Apple
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you know had no cookies like now we
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don't need another one
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yeah I thought that's why i say i was
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interesting to know if you know how that
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list of people was chosen
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alright that's why did they sort of self
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choose or were they asked specifically
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like that we want these companies get an
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invitation and they got to choose who to
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go over the end of invitations to people
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probably just to the company's I think
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it looks like there are fixed number of
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seats around that table and that table
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time it dictated how many people are
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going to be there so you know maybe
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that's it maybe that's why Jack Dorsey
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they're just didn't know was another
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seat you know you don't know I suspect
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not that him the the vindictive angle
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coming out there's two things though
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there's a couple angles on that one the
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angle in favor of Dorsey being there
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would be that Trump has made more use of
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Twitter far more than he did facebook
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I mean and it's I mean I don't think
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it's close to 90 feet you know his
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campaign has a presence on on facebook
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but personally he's all Twitter it is
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his facebook feed is not on Bloomberg
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his twitter feed is on the right that's
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it that's the bottom line right but the
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other thing too is it does seem there's
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a case to be made I think gabe gabe
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rivera made it first he's Gabe is the
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guy who runs the the excellent Technium
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at a news aggregator that it seems as
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though the invitation list was sorted in
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order of market cap that it was just not
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you know in terms of who got invited or
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not it's the you know six or seven
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biggest by market cap tech companies and
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by that measure twitter isn't even close
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because their stock is deeply depressed
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I mean there it's done it and they're
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not even in the ballpark if there are
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cap and in their remarks in in Trump's
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you know his way of bragging about the
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meeting was it he said he didn't want to
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talk about the he wasn't going to
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mention the hundreds of companies that
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called asking for a seat at this table
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and that they were wondering that Peter
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meeting Peter teal kept saying no
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they're too small they're too small that
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that and small meeting market cap i
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think you know so that was already
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measured right so I don't buy that
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measure Twitter had no chance
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yeah that's so they were measuring buy
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influence they were measuring by you
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money what is that smart
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I don't know anyone that good you know
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kind of goes back to the bend Thompson's
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point right and I like the smaller
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companies are often the ones that didn't
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even more interesting stuff and the
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stuff that affects the future
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yeah and then your eyes the economy
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forward over well in the government
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certainly shouldn't play a central role
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in determining the anyone else the other
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story that came out was that the twitter
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did not get invited because of its had a
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dispute from the summer that Twitter
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sells these things called branded emoji
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well they call branded emoji we can I
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can go on our side rant about the use of
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emoji and that context in a moment but
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the gist of it is that a sponsor can buy
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a hashtag and then when people tweet
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that hashtag they automatically get a
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emoji are little sticker an illustration
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behind it so for example right now if
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you tweet the hashtag rogue one you get
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a little death star image after the
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thing that I wasn't aware of this
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because i like anybody with any kind of
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who their taste i use a third-party
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twitter client on everywhere all just
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about everywhere and these things are
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only visible and Twitter zone to twitter
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apps and this stupid ass ugly Twitter
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website so i wasn't aware of this but
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apparently over the summer the Trump
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campaign wanted to buy one for hashtag
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crooked Hillary and oh who even knows
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what the icon would have been I think
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they said they wanted to be a bag of
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money flying away or something like that
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and Twitter a declined to accept the
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sponsorship apparently Jack maybe Jack
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Dorsey himself put the pics on it and
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that the Trump campaign hasn't forgotten
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hey I don't think that's it i'm not sure
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that it i'm sure it didn't help because
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i think they are vindictive and petty
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people but I don't really I i think that
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the market cap ankle is a bigger one
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I think yeah if it now that you mention
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that it's probably a Peter teal had more
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influence on was at that table then then
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from yourself it's it really sounded it
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sounded like Trump stoner marks that it
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was really largely just you know there
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was a list of finalists and Trump random
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by T land till said yes yes no no no yes
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dark or vice versa right maybe tail at
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the way after more like it sounded more
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like it was till he was given the s's
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know that I mean obviously if trumpet
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said i want i want Twitter it would
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happen but yea Aztec people we have a
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different view on all this you know it's
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like it's like this this Russian hacking
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it's like you know that to me is totally
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you know it's really first hint of that
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was like oh yeah because anybody has run
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a server the scene you know IP addresses
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from you know the Eastern Bloc taking
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our servers you know looking for you
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know WP login pages PHP my man in
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the effectively presidential election is
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back to the fairness argument you know
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how in the hell is that fair
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did you see that a among all of the just
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broke the wrong way but one of them was
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John Podesta got the phishing email and
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it was forwarded on to somebody like
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what's going on with this and the person
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wanted to write back this
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this email is illegitimate John should
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change his password immediately but
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they they hacked the Democrats well you
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do you think they hacked the Republicans
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other nasty shit so you know this is you
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know that that this is an issue it
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clearly a nonpartisan issue right after
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yes it should be and if you try to say
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now this is this affects everybody right
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this is you know again it goes back to
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government should be a level playing
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they compete against each other right if
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the 50 fucking playing field is level we
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if you if you happen to be a
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conservative bent you think that that's
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just me being a liberal you can see it
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on the following people and they asked
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popular among Republicans than Barack
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Democrats is more of their enemy then
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the Americans will have who were the
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hardline realists ok so i'm just going
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to i was just going to say and I ronald
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mhm you know and that the the main issue
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true but at the time the preeminent
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issue was the Cold War because it was
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you know hey if this turns out poorly
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every world network squared yeah that
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looks like they're all that is it like
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game with no winners
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yeah and it seemed to me like the
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Republicans where the why I think
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history has shown it to be true that the
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Republicans were the ones who look
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facts half right so it's ridiculous to
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me that they've now become the party
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that's like russia's good people
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Russian government leadership God good
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yeah it's and it's kind of like you know
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government now I mean well I wanted i'ma
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family now because of this i'm sure
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that's not a lot of people and I socks
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do but you know they had to vote for the
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and in it and the fact that that is you
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know that the people that are
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I mean what is wrong there alright well
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you get start to get the feeling that
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maybe the evangelical Christian based me
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maybe Christianity isn't that you just
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started to think maybe it's not their
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top priority our faith that people are
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inherently good were screwed
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razor blade just to open the damn thing
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let's have fun yeah this is like is
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Trump's office storm stuff is no fun
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well it's no fun but we gotta deal with
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it but I gotta deal with you can put
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your head in the sand and that's the
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reason why I think that's the reason I
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think I just a red put a bow on this
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topic that's the reason why i think it
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was right the tim cook and jeff bezos
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and satya nadella and whoever else went
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to the meeting you can put your head in
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the sand you can't just put your fingers
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in your ears and go lalala
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you know I don't want this guy to be the
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president you gotta look at it you gotta
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stare right in the eyes you know
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pretending that it didn't happen exactly
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stay angry and don't let it get
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normalized because this is not normal
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no matter you know what anybody says
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it's all you know he'll it will all play
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out well it's like no this is not going
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to play out well I just hope not I hope
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we're around in four years to have
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another election because you know you
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used you see the shit happening with you
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know China right now it's like oh jesus
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this is not where we want to go
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it's like yeah so for my parents
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generation that happened in Cuba right
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then and then people freaked out well
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hey guess what it's this generations
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chance to have that little freakout
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moment yet let's not talk about the
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politics anymore i've got one thing
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that's even less fun it's even less fun
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than Trump and I have to talk about it
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no fun at all it's super mario run came
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out and my god it's got an in-app
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purchase oh my god so everyone came out
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here's how it works i think it was a
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mystery i don't think it was announced
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download with a couple levels to play
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for free and then you have to buy it so
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way it works is free download you get
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three levels to play after that you need
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to buy it and it's ten bucks but the way
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that they're doing the in-app purchases
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such that the 10 boxes per device i
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think i don't think i think if i had an
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complaint from my colleagues shawnee
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birds said that he had to buy for
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himself and his three kids got it he's
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got three boys that want to play it
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and you know it's a forty-dollar game
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for him now from Nintendo's perspective
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that's the way it's always worked right
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if you if you have a 3ds and your kids
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have a 3ds and you want to play this
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game you could you at the same time you
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could you don't have to buy your own
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version of it now it when it was
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cartridges you could like share the
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cartridge but then only one of you can
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play it at a time and there's no way to
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do that with in-app purchase you can
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have an in-app purchase that says your
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whole family can use this app but only
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one of you can use it at a time just
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doesn't work that way so from the
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nintendos perspective this isn't that
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unusual and they don't sell ten dollar
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games for the 3ds this would be like a
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forty or fifty dollar game for the 3ds
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but on the other hand before anybody
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write to me i understand that even with
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probably less expensive than a typical
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3ds game that it's smaller whatever I
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can't get 10 boxes so little
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honestly I do get it and that family
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sharing we use it we do we got a lot of
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stuff on the family sharing here in this
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particular case I I can't blame it i
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want intended to make money on this
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I do yeah I i I'd love to see a lot of
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game developers make money but yeah no
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argument from me that ten dollars is a
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per-device is a premium price for an
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iphone game but honestly I've played
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this game for a day now it's a premium
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game it is a premium game so yeah and I
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can and the the book problem right now
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though is that there are a lot of people
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who have been indoctrinated into the and
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all i can earn coins to to get what I
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want right it shouldn't cost me anything
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and they're the ones that are
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complaining about you know just this
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game right at the I mean we all love it
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people just paid for the thing right
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that's what we all want just just spend
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your money if you like it buy it and in
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instead we're jumping through all these
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hoops you know doing you know things
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that make people look like they're not
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spending money because we call them
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coins instead of dollars and
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you know it's it's all you know that the
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deception and and let's just forget
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about that and kudos to to the handover
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just say hey it's going to cost you ten
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dollars deal with it
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four levels each and so you get through
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the first three levels of the first
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you both have it you both have a very
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fair idea of what the game is like to
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play and you also have a very fair idea
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of how much is unlocked right when you
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pay the 10 bucks you do that to me too
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very fair deal and I think it you know
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again I you know and if you've got you
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know somebody's out there surely has
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three or four kids you know and it's
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like hey it's you know you tell me it's
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sixty dollar purchase for my kids and my
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wife and I to play this I understand
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that you know that that's pretty lights
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a lot of money for iphone game but you
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know I it i'd much rather have nintendo
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doing this and having it as a fair
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upfront price than to see Nintendo's to
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come to the you know keep putting two
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dollars in to buy a bag of coins to keep
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going you know where to alright get past
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this log jam you know this level is for
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all intent intent and purposes
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unbeatable unless you've got a thousand
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coins and you can only really have a
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thousand coins if you pay us three bucks
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right where go watch a bunch ads or
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whatever the hell these other games make
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you do it's you know it's not like that
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and I think it's you know and it to me
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that somebody I i know i'm not a
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die-hard gamer and probably the opposite
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actually probably spend a lot less time
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playing video games than the average
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person my age and probably for someone
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who's interested in technology and
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computers way I'm probably way at the
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bottom in terms of how much time I spent
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playing games i get the impression
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you're probably the same as me i went to
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my childhood before nintendo became a
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i I don't I don't get mario or any of
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the you know the
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that whole eighties gaming thing because
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the nominating I was you know 20 years
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old and had become an adult life so yeah
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it a different story for you to all that
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not only would a friend of mine having
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sorry but you know it's just the pong
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and all the other kinda crappy games and
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and you know at the same time that that
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was happening I was also discovering
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computers so it's like I could write my
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own computer games why the hell am I
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sitting in front of the TV e fiddling
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with this little dial that's like calm
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and I got I got a basic interpreter this
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right i understand the feeling exactly
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yeah i could be making something and
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that's this date and I'm glad it
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happened that way it made you know made
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yeah I have an on/off I've never been a
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huge Nintendo fan I never like I didn't
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like the NES and I went in my college
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years there was the at this is not the
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n64 super nintendo super nintendo was
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the one of the early nineties early and
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mid nineties i had a Sega Genesis which
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was I thought the superior system at
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least for the type of games i wanted to
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play like John Madden football and that
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the NHL hockey game and Sega's version
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of mario was Sonic the Hedgehog em right
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here's the 22 d scroller i did have an
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n64 which I liked a lot later on
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probably the last console I really
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played a lot although i guess i had an
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original xbox too i played that
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sometimes how old were you when your own
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well when what how old were you when
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you're playing these games Sega Genesis
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was my college years so that archaic 91
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296 right roughly that was a 32-bit
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system i was at 16 years yeah you said
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that its you're sending a dorm room with
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the its up thing to party with right
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yeah exactly it was a dorm was a big
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room thing and it's partly because the
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the EA sports games I don't even know
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that they had them for Nintendo's Super
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Nintendo and if they did they were
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inferior like that the Sega Genesis was
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sports games and that was what we all
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played each other and that was what we
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played non-stop and 64 was good though
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there was this gold my game
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anybody who had it knows exactly what
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I'm talking about and anybody that was
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at 3d shooter and you'd play you can
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play against your roommate and it it was
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split screen so you each got like you
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split the screen it because it was a 423
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screen it was African if it was
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horizontal and you've got like a real
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wide angle thing or if it was
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side-to-side i think it was actually
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forget true story to story I had a
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roommate my first year after college I
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had a roommate a Don and we played we
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had an n64 and that was when the
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PlayStation first came out the original
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playstation and what we used to do was
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rent video games you could go to be how
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to get a disk so you'd go to blockbuster
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and you could rent a game for four days
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for I don't know five bucks four bucks
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way cheaper than buying $60 games right
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we didn't have the money to buy a bunch
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of 64 games the renting thing was
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so we have an n64 you basically it's a
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binge on the game and you know you if
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you're getting that the the content for
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that so go to blog we'd go to
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blockbuster and you look and like the
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PlayStation section had all of these
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awesome games like at the time realistic
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car racing games and shooters and all
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these awesome games and then a nintendo
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section had like seven titles and most
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of them for like four little kids but
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then goldeneye came out and goldeneye
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fixed everything in fact that
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effectively are n64 turned into a
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dedicated golden-eyed box it was a good
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one player game it had this a very long
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campaign where you played James Bond
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going through the gold movie scenario
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really good first part you know 1 player
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mode and then the two-player thing was
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just unbelievably fun unbelievably fun
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and eventually I got just every was one
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of the only games i ever got pretty good
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at and I i got ever so slightly better
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than Don was like this is after maybe a
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whole year of playing
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and I was always a fraction of a section
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a second quicker than him and it got to
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the point where he couldn't be here we
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used to be like 50 50 and it was I
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somehow gained like i leveled up a
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little bit and he couldn't beat me at
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one time me through this controller out
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the window and we lived on the third
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floor and divine help control our but it
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was the most satisfying victory ever
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right and look at be more satisfying and
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making your friend throw his controller
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yeah but that point you're pretty much
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done with the game right because the guy
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that you can never win again and you
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know it's like okay my play you know but
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anyway then my other experience with
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nintendo's we had the wii the one the
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first you know not the we don't ya gonna
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get the week was great
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not that the one where he did have that
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big basically the physical games are
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right right it's just got people moving
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around i thought that was right and that
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that was how John learn to play video
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games we had that when he was I don't
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know three or four or something like
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that and that's a little like that's
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another one where you can throw the
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controller but not necessarily because
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um it right we have these we have this
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weird Jonas I laugh about it is Jonas is
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very much into video games now he's
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almost 13 is that when he first started
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playing there's a great great series
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games these Lego games where you play as
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a lego character from like movies and
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you go through and you know like the one
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that we play that was the first one was
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the lego star wars and you dis game and
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it had all six of the original Star Wars
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movies meaning the first three from you
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know the eighties then the prequels and
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II each one was broken up into six like
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adventure so you had 36 adventures to go
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through from all of the Star Wars movies
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and you just play as two characters at
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the same time on screen and you go
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through and smash things up and take the
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bricks and rebuild them into other
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things and it was very very good just
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very fun very very kid friendly but very
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fun for me as an adult to play too but
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the funny thing was that when we first
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are playing out of Genesis three or four
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probably around four was that and it's
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sort of i can I so what's a isomorphic
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pretty perspective
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isometric right yeah isometric
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perspective the game and it Jonas just
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had tremendous trouble like if you had
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to walk on it you had to get your
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terrible all accounts catwalk diagonally
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right I not even like a tightrope but
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you know but like a a three-character
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wide catwalk that was at a 45-degree
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angle he would just keep falling off and
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it's one of these games read you don't
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we did you probably didn't have the
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spatial capabilities in his brain right
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that's just the right being able to say
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to project that into right it is mine
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yeah and if I transferred into a
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movement with his thumb right right and
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it's one of these games are one of a
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part of that part of what made it so
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much fun to play with a little kid is
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that you you never you don't run out of
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lives and have to start the level over
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every time you die you just lose some of
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the coins you picked up and it just
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shoot you back to you know 15 you know
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five feet away from where you died you
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just keep responding and Udall you lose
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our these coins and when you finish the
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level with the most coins it's an
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accomplishment so you know you can you
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know finishing without buying which is
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gives you more coins so there's an
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advantage to not dying but you never
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actually like have to start the level of
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her but there would be a certain things
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where he just basically could navigate
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and Italy I think I'm a pretty patient
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father but eventually it's like just
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give me that give me that haha
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dad's gonna help you out here right and
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it wasn't like getting in past like a
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boss you know villain it was just
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getting him through like a very narrow
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hard to navigate little thing and it's
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just very it's very comical now when i
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try to play video games with him because
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he's actually the opposite yeah I was
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gonna say kick these kicking your ass
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now right cause including on he's got
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nice i could reflect your reflexes ya s
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what was it was a lego game like lego
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batman or something like that and I was
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like I'll play that with you and I
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started playing and it was clear that i
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was holding up that right anything you
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know he loves you and everything we talk
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about your feelings but he's like dad
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just just well I was like remember when
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you'd be the one holding me back and
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he'd be if he laughs he had a good and
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yeah but it was very clear that i was
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the one holding him back
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anyway I wish nintendo the best i think
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they're going to do very well with that
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complaints about the prices side it does
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seem like they're being very aggressive
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on the trying to keep the whatever
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countermeasures they've taken against
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piracy it seems like they've done quite
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one of them being and here's the one
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that's going to affect honest people the
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most is the game does not play if you
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don't have a network connection i tested
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like if you turn on airplane mode and
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try to start the game it says look you
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know try to move this trying to move
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somewhere where you have a better
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network connection
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oh that's not gonna that's not going to
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play out well I mean it soon as somebody
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you know it's like on launch day you're
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not going to notice that but over time
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you know you're going to be one even
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played in that in the subway on an
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airplane airplane right yeah well and
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it's funny people have even pointed out
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that the announcement miyamoto even said
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because it's totally playable one-handed
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that it's great to play in the subway
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now maybe and I know maybe he's thinking
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of I don't know I've never been to Tokyo
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but maybe tokyo i wouldn't be surprised
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if it is one of those cities with us
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yes you have are you be good cell
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yeah I noticed the last time up last
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trip to WTC that the tercel service and
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barknow you know from the airport to
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downtown you pretty much have a network
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connection all the time
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alright but when this witness news came
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out that the game doesn't work without a
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network connection a bunch of readers
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wrote to me and just said well my kid
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you know has a ipod touch or you know
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that the the ipod touch that an awful
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lot of kids have is a two or three-year
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old iphone that doesn't have a sim card
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you know just a hand-me-down here's my
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you know this was dad's iphone from two
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just take the self just take the sim
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card out and you've got a you know a
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hand-me-down ipod touch and entices yeah
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and a car trips that's another it you
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know yeah that's it that's exactly it do
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you want it in then ok ok where you have
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to set up a Wi-Fi hotspot just the kids
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complain intend oh right right
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it's like thanks right let's drain mom
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and dad's batteries so we can play
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and I saw something about the fact that
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the game has a lot of it doesn't seem to
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run on a lot of jail Brooks it seems I
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which he only makes me think that
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nintendo is specifically looking for
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signs of common jailbreaks and is
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refusing to run how they cannot do that
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that's actually hard thing to do in the
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sandbox use the Apple might've looked
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the other way I one of these things i
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don't know i don't want to know you know
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not knowing how it works or anything but
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month that would be my first reaction
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it's like maybe there's my other
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question or eight other questions
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it's it is iOS exclusive right now it is
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apparently coming to android eventually
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how long do you think until it comes out
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on Android and be a google will probably
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want to use it like Apple did is the way
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to to promote new software release or
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something like that i could see it
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happening at the next io or something
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just forget I wonder if they played well
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at the iphone 7 launched it will play
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well at some google launched so i think
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that that would be your answer
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what is it was in six months I don't
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yeah who knows I mean it's that the
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half-life for games these days pretty a
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pretty insane it's it's like a Pokemon
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go right middle of summer it was just
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everywhere attacking you know we had a
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back down to the beach where do i go
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every day it's like there's just one
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tree that everybody standing under
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because that shade and pokemon terms &
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Company kind of funny is like everybody
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walked my idea of the pokemon spotting
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on and you know you talk to people there
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yeah I'm late for them you know the gym
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or whatever it is and oh my god I saw a
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thing on something on Twitter I wish I
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had had it but it was the gist of it was
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somebody was like oh my god I can't
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believe they had to put the sign up
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somebody was in like a museum
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oh yeah or something and it was like a
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part where they were showing like
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something really grave and serious it
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was like relics from a like a
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concentration camp or something like
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that you know something really really
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grave and serious you know like here's a
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bunch of artifacts from some kind of
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internment camp early i don't think was
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the Holocaust but something like that
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we're like a bunch of people were you
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know political no prisoners and and
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people died and went on a long time and
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there's a sign up that said please no
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pokemon go right like because that you
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can only imagine like a sign like that
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doesn't go up unless people were doing
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yeah I know like some ya ever hear that
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they're reacting to something
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yeah right I you know I thought they
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don't want it in it in the middle of
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summer I was but one of the thoughts I
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had was like that you what happens when
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it gets cold at all these people going
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out hunting for pokemon what they're
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going to do when it's you know raining
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or snowing or you know middle of a
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hurricane or whatever and it's like em
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you know so that they watched that in a
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really good time and you know maybe they
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the expectation that it is going to have
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six great months and then who knows
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I think we're in the who knows right now
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and I think you know maybe you know
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Mario on iOS is going to be the same way
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I suspect or not it's there's a lot to
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be said for that brand same is true with
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pokemon there you know this huge Brandt
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a lot of the nostalgia and that brand
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I mean that's just you know the fact
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that you were you know talking about you
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know all your past consoles and games
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you played I mean that's it doesn't it's
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nostalgia is a powerful thing and yeah
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that's it in it it's it's interesting
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too that that that Mario is is is
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nostalgic that's getting passed on right
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there there's a there's a generation of
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kids now that we're going to grow up and
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their first encounter with Mario is
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going to be you know on their their
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iphone their ipad there
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I know ipod touch you know that's that's
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their beginning and working over here
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yeah the comparison i think is you know
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and it's it's obvious one that a
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thousand people have made before is to
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mickey mouse and the Donald Duck and you
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know the whole gang of characters that
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is you know so old that the disney
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literally has to keep petitioning the US
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federal government to keep extending the
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copyright expiration date because
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they're sold that they would have
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already passed into the public domain by
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now and yet are completely relevant and
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popular and and a good source of revenue
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right now get me that whatever you want
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to be popular for a reason right
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well in one reason one reason why that
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they remain popular is that even under
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Walt Disney I think it started with Walt
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was don't be afraid to move them into
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new media just keep keep going up with
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technology don't don't don't say will
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make he's a movie star so he's never
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going to be on TV now we're going to
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have a TV show and and you know get
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everybody to watch it is one of my
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favorite stories and it's one of the
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best comparisons between Walt Disney and
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steve jobs that I've ever seen was that
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he was so willing to let go of the past
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and always hungry for the future which
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was the it goes against human nature i
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mean it even ties back to our discussion
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on trumpet those tech leaders and Trump
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seeing his job as president as
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protecting the current top companies as
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opposed to just keeping it fair and
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letting the revolution happened you know
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Walt was you know in the fifties when TV
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started becoming thing the movie studios
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were totally disdainful of television
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and saw it as a lesser medium I mean we
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saw that until it really up until they
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just a handful of years ago
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we're being a an actor in the movies
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with c is seen as way more serious than
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being an actor and TV it really took
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until the last handful of years and
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shows like The Sopranos and madmen and
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West world where people & Game of
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Thrones where people see TV is being as
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good or even better than movies
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yeah Walt Disney unlike all the other
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hollywood studios the other Holly do it
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the way that Hollywood attack the TV was
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by my and part of it is cool i love
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cinema scope and seventy millimeter
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prince is that that's when TV that's
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when movies switched from the 43 aspect
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ratio 1699 and bigger the bigger
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CinemaScope 2.1 a wide screen and they
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built bigger screens that had curves and
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they start shooting in 70 millimeter it
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was ok you want to have a little dinky
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rinky-dink you know 19-inch
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black-and-white display with a lot of
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static on it while we're gonna you know
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start shooting in color and we're going
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to make it bigger and that's a fine
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response but it certainly didn't stop
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the march of progress with TV walt
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disney on the other hand was like will
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keep making movies but hell yeah I want
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to I want to be I want mickey mouse on
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that TV hit I've always loved that quote
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of his where you know he he made movies
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so they could make more movies right I
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thought the know he made her so he can
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exactly made money on movies so that he
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could make more movies and that's TV was
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just another way for him to make money
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to make more cool things right right and
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that's why don't you know we don't like
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dentists in intent i hope they do really
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well on an iOS because if they do
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they're going to do more and then pray
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don't make we don't make movies to make
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money we make money to make movies there
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any minute you know ya roll your eyes
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I don't find that in is a recent
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announcement that Nintendo assigned a
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big big long-term deal with universal to
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get a like nintendo world into universal
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theme parks around the world sir makes
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that which i am i'm looking forward to
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tremendously I don't you probably never
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been there but the universal in Florida
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they have a big i don't know i got a
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billion-dollar deal with the harry
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potter franchise right I've seen
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pictures that I've never been there but
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yeah it's and it looks great i mean yeah
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we love nostalgia we were mad men fan a
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wife wants to show mad mad mailman ya
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yeah yeah well they're right of course
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got Don Draper and that's that's
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probably where I got that from nostalgia
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its delicate but potent and he told me
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that in Greek nostalgia literally means
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the pain from an old wound it's a twinge
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in your heart for more more powerful
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than memory alone
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that's the statue yeah that's good
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yeah that's the one with the kodak slide
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yeah it's really thats that it's it was
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like the first season but it's the best
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the best asset and you know you look at
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that coat acting right that's that was
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revolutionary at the time right and and
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we is you know kids growing up that was
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like you know we didn't have I photos
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and sliding through you know we had
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let's put up screen and stare at dad
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slides well and another example of a
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company a company that lost its way by
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protecting what it had rather than its
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future they were making all their money
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from film and they were it's it's
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absolutely astounding when you look at
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how many of the UH the foundations of
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digital photography started at Kodak and
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the people at you know in charge of
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kodak padded the engineers who had all
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these digital camera technology is ready
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to go you know and patted him on her
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head and said nice work boys but we
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yeah well pulling up or not selling any
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digital camera so you know keep that in
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the labs but it was actually work out so
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exactly is that actually Polaroid came
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up with the first digital camera like oh
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why didn't you go down through with that
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so to write Polaroid code acted so much
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work on it and never took it to market
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because it would have disrupted their
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own film business
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well bottom line xerox did the same
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thing right at that there's a there's a
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line of companies that that we remember
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fondly because they didn't do what Apple
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does which is you know kill your babies
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preaching to the choir here but it's in
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2006 the single most important product
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that Apple computer made was their line
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of ipods and it was very clear to
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anybody who looked at the iphone with
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open eyes that well once you have one of
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these you'll never buy an ipod again
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yeah except maybe the cheap no screen
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one that you don't care about wearing in
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the pool right now yeah and actually
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make the company that right yeah the at
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the same time I don't think we
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appreciated how important that camera
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was gonna be no we definitely definitely
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not because I mean the first camera was
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like it's yeah it's better than that
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that that feature phone I used to have
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but yeah but barely take care of my
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ideas are barely hearing my DSLR around
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you know yeah I barely better write it
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was it was more convenient though that
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was the thing that it was like ah right
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instagram and all this other stuff took
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off because I said it's always there
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I just think that the the time nobody
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maybe even apple just didn't foresee how
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quickly cameras that could fit in the
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space that was available theoretically
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just you know however much have a much
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space you want to vote into a iphone
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sighs device to the camera how good the
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image quality could be out of that
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camera i just don't think anybody really
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foresaw with the next five years were
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going to be the first one in particular
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I've said this before on the show like
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every every time it comes up I'm like I
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don't think it even shot video and then
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I'm like no wait that's not possible and
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then I looked it up and it's like yet
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she didn't even shoot shitty video shot
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you know your whatsoever and now you
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know it doesn't even fit in the case
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anymore and that's okay right not that
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we've got the camera bulbs because it's
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like it that it it's more important to
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have that good camera that i have that
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cleanliness is ok I accept it and it's
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it's a compromise right it's definitely
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compromised but yes we would all love it
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if that back was completely smooth but
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we also love the fact that it's not i
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have that's the one thing I I don't know
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what to think about with the pixel have
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a google pixel and so Google pixels the
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googles just googles way around that
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wasn't too happy they have no bump for
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the camera on the back but the entire
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device is slightly wedge-shaped so down
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at the bottom it's then and that's that
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that's the thinnest they like to talk
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about and up by the camera it's thick
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and there's no one point where there's a
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bold and it's not super it at a glance
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it's you can't even tell but in your
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hand it's obvious and it is sort of
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top-heavy it i have mixed feelings about
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that I do think just I don't want to go
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too deep on the camera bolt but I do but
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now that the iphone 7 has been in my
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hands for what three months october
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november december yeah about three
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months i do what two little things that
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I really really like about it and I know
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people keep saying that it's the same
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industrial design but it's only at a
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glance the two little things that i
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really like number one I like that this
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camera bump is more of an honest camera
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bump right yeah it's absolutely a
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hundred percent with you there it's like
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it it's it it looks like a bump right
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and it and it is a bump and they're
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still running those ads that show the
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hero shot of the shiny jet black iphone
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7 plus where the this entire central
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focus of the hero shot is the big
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capsule sized camera bump on the back
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like you know and it's perfectly lit and
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glossy to highlight it and I just keep
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thinking that it's the complete opposite
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of the original iphone 6 ads where the
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apples product shots are hiding the bump
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you know where they show that you had
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you had to hunt for it on the apples
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right in order to see it yeah it was
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just that they just pretending it wasn't
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the other thing i really like and I
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can't explain why I like it so much is
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that the volume buttons are no longer in
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a channel on the side
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they're just two buttons that stick out
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of the side there used to be a little
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field yeah well but there are no i think
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i think is very easy to locate for me at
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least that there's like there's like a
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little channel dug in and the gap
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between the two volume buttons was
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therefore more I don't know it just felt
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cheap to me on the iphone 6 and 6s in a
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way that that that that really like the
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volume buttons on this better but anyway
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that's neither here nor there
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quick quick question did you get the jet
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black yes i did you love it I love it
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and I have I have I mean i-i've I love
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being able to carry a phone without a
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case again it's just like it's sticky in
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my hand and that's all i wanted i don't
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you know yeah I got the micro operations
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like i holed up here to the light it's
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fine I can see him but I don't spend my
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time looking at the back of the phone i
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responsive web design
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very recent years that it was maybe not
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that's a promotional link and i'll get a
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few percent of whatever it is that you
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buy if you click it but i haven't I i
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just have just gotten away from it and
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my amazon affiliate revenue used to be
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maybe you know like a thousand dollars a
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month and sometimes maybe around
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Christmas like it would be like you know
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maybe like three or four thousand
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nine ten years ago anyway long story
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short about two months ago I got a note
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from amazon an email that said that I
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violated their claws by telling people
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to click on a link
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oh and and they've terminated my account
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click baiting right it's like well so
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butt out but when do I thought when the
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hell did I ever do that and i found one
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article that was back in like 2004 maybe
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when i first started using amazon
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affiliate and that what i did there was
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technically against and I guess against
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the what they're saying I did but it was
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a 2004 article and not one that's like
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that people keep looking Lincoln I'm
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sure that somehow they ran some
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automated tool that uncovered that
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article but it was 12 years old or
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somebody didn't like something he said
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maybe but I don't think so yeah doesn't
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strike me I never know then yeah you
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never know but it's it's gonna take them
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also lead to an eye on it right it's
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also device it's great you know that you
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don't you know you got your sponsors and
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that pays for your writing and that's
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say for the last year or so I've had
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maybe like a hundred two hundred dollars
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a month and revenue from amazon
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affiliate so it's cutting off a very
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small portion of it but I thought that
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the what did you join a didn't cut off
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everything they only cut off a portion
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the tail is completely out yes it's the
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equivalent of one you know like having
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like the Apple equivalent of you know
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like what they did to the dash developer
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you know you're out
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yeah you're done with a warning and it
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and and they even get any email even
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said there's no you know there is no
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there is no recourse you know that
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there's nowhere you know there is
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nothing like if you would like to you
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know I know he'll notice about this
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yeah right you're out and then it ended
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with like have a nice day I started hope
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you have sponsors thank you
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right so if there's anybody at amazon
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who's listening to the show you think
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that's kinda fishy you know write to me
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at during fireball and
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I would love to have a communication but
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not so much that I even care I want to
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commonly used devices will have the wide
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color displays oh yeah yeah absolutely
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competitive advantage for apple right
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started understanding this stuff right
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book and I I you kind enough to ask me
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right forward I'm very happy you did
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of it is that what makes the book great
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the best it could possibly look
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designer or the photographer or whatever
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here's what to do and why and
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then it did things don't look right my
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daring fireball you know 5825 a it
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asset that looks at it to my eyes right
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little sleep at night
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what's there but then a lot of work went
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books now as ebooks and and for computer
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books that particular that's true but in
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source code in the book
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strong provable correlation between
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best-selling books by topic and best
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best sellers and that didn't make them
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the best books sometimes the best book
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great technical books that are really
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think you know that their programming
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pearl is one that I go to all the time
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laerdal in and don't do right you know
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the daughter could get programming that
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that can't be a short book anything it
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takes up it takes up a whole shelf right
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that this is 70 pages is because there
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are 75 whatever it is it's their 75
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pages to say about it and that's the 75
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pages that are in the book and yep it
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really shows it's like building rocks
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it's like building program
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it's like building program
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product right you the the the parts you
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take away are the hardest and most
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important when you create you should be
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really proud of this book
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anybody out there listening if you wore
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have any sort of job that entails
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putting pixels on two screens and you
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want them to look right i highly
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recommend this book i really do mean it
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I mean it from the bottom of my heart I
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don't know there are even written a
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forward to a book before
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yeah but I did it not because you're my
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pal but because the book is good
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I don't frankly i don't really like you
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that much yeah I buy you drinks every
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once in a while so you know that's
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there's that a book apart product you
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don't make any outgoing and it's just
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the you know don't just check out my
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book the whole a book apart family
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there's actually very mean that they've
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shorter is better and you know if you're
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looking about anything about roof
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responsive web design for example intent
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you know they've got an awesome book on
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it and I and it's as somebody who is
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personally who does judge books by car
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covers I i judging by the contents to
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but that the whole thing you can't judge
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a book by the cover it's a bunch of
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yeah in my opinion better books tend to
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look better their books are gorgeous
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thanks to Jason Jason santa maria and
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the outside I know he's the the head
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designer there but boys
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he's good with typography in their books
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also are first-class print books I know
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your book is an e-book only but the that
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there Derek publisher that treats their
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ebooks every bit as lovingly in every
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regard as they do their their print
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yeah it's it's it's you know it when
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Jason showed me that the first comp for
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the book I was like that this is this is
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this is a real thing now and ya got me
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really excited just just by looking at
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that cover and it was just wasn't hard
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here's my technical question was a hard
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for the covers gorgeous especially the
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bottom left corner or just forward by
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john gruber i love that well anyway
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thank you very much for your time for
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being on the show
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thank you even more for writing this
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excellent book everybody should go get a
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copy it is absolutely terrific
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