The Talk Show

178: ‘Now Banned in China’, With Special Guest Jim Dalrymple


  uh happy new year Jim first show of the [TS]

  year happy new year everyone here was [TS]

  very quiet my my son was here and we [TS]

  just did you know father-son things [TS]

  picked up the guitar plates amazi [TS]

  Metallica you know things every father [TS]

  and son does we we went out to dinner [TS]

  with friends early so because i had new [TS]

  years eve i think New Year's Eve sucks [TS]

  it's like the worst right it's like [TS]

  you're young and you just think what [TS]

  everybody goes out new years eve so I'm [TS]

  going out and you go out and I I don't [TS]

  remember ever having a good time on New [TS]

  Year's Eve it's always crowded the only [TS]

  time I ever remember having a good time [TS]

  on new year's eve and it's very funny [TS]

  because sometimes it's like the security [TS]

  question [TS]

  unlike your bank or whatever they're [TS]

  right where were you on New Year's Eve [TS]

  1999 yeah and I remember that one [TS]

  because we had friends in town here in [TS]

  philly from Florida and we we just [TS]

  stayed in army and Amy's place for the [TS]

  evening and then before midnight we went [TS]

  down to there's a park called penn's [TS]

  landing wasn't too not too far of a walk [TS]

  and it was in a unusually warm New [TS]

  Year's Eve for Philadelphia so it wasn't [TS]

  like we were real cold we just took a [TS]

  bottle of champagne with us and have [TS]

  fireworks we watch fireworks and it was [TS]

  very nice but in other words we didn't [TS]

  spend any money we didn't have to wait [TS]

  in line anywhere we have to wait for a [TS]

  cab [TS]

  we didn't have to drive anywhere we just [TS]

  walked yes if anybody asks me where were [TS]

  you on this new years eve i could [TS]

  quickly say home [TS]

  i I just I you know it's so expensive to [TS]

  go out a new years eve it's like three [TS]

  times more expensive than like if you go [TS]

  out on December 30-day grace right and [TS]

  you know it's even worse if you have [TS]

  kids because then you know you have to [TS]

  pay like 10 thousand dollars for [TS]

  babysitter and you know then you have [TS]

  the the eggs orbiting Lee price dinner [TS]

  and drinks that you have to go for [TS]

  images it's the same thing every year [TS]

  and I'd rather what I didn't make it up [TS]

  to midnight i fell asleep [TS]

  yeah i mean i remember a couple years [TS]

  ago I mean I went out [TS]

  I don't remember if it was recent enough [TS]

  that that we could just leave Jonas at [TS]

  home or if we had any sister come and [TS]

  watch i think we probably had her sister [TS]

  come and watch him so we went out to one [TS]

  of our favorite restaurants and we went [TS]

  late so that we could ostensibly be [TS]

  there at midnight you know so it's a [TS]

  real late dinner maybe like ten o'clock [TS]

  dinner stayed and did the countdown with [TS]

  the restaurant full of people and of [TS]

  course it was more expensive than usual [TS]

  and it wasn't as good because i feel [TS]

  like it was too crowded and you know you [TS]

  don't like get dinner was just slightly [TS]

  all wasn't bad but slightly off and then [TS]

  we leave and we're like I don't know [TS]

  it's like a mile and a half from our [TS]

  house number right here in center city [TS]

  philadelphia but it's cold and Amy had [TS]

  heels on and it's just not gonna walk [TS]

  but we couldn't get a cab just couldn't [TS]

  get a cab [TS]

  I because it's New Years Eve and it just [TS]

  was just past midnight could not get a [TS]

  cab so we thought hey let's just go to a [TS]

  hotel you know right down the street [TS]

  there's a hotel they have a nice bar [TS]

  will go there we have one more drink and [TS]

  then by the time we're done it'll be [TS]

  plenty caps we go in and it's only like [TS]

  20 after midnight and hotel bars closed [TS]

  it's just completely shut down and it's [TS]

  like the content they want everybody out [TS]

  right like ordinarily they would never [TS]

  be closed at 12 you know 12 midnight [TS]

  they'd be open to it too but they're [TS]

  closed because they want everybody out [TS]

  because everybody's a drunken masters so [TS]

  we started walking home and like her [TS]

  feet are hurting and eventually a cab [TS]

  comes by and we're only like we're like [TS]

  four blocks from our house and I'm like [TS]

  I don't care i'll still get a cab her [TS]

  feed her and and the guy just rolls down [TS]

  his window the cab driver and he just [TS]

  says where you going [TS]

  and I told them are you know where our [TS]

  address its he knows it's only four [TS]

  blocks from where we are and he goes he [TS]

  goes thirty bucks you know you're doing [TS]

  and it's gonna be off the meter and I [TS]

  was like oh my god I can't believe this [TS]

  but it's if it was my feet they hurt i [TS]

  would i would say you know [TS]

  go fuck yourself but it's eight and I'm [TS]

  ir I don't you know I paid thirty [TS]

  dollars to four blocks in a cat wow we [TS]

  haven't gone out on New Year's Eve sense [TS]

  yeah I don't blame you now so we [TS]

  wouldn't even out we went out early like [TS]

  530 to dinner with some friends in [TS]

  chinatown [TS]

  and just you know guide knows guide you [TS]

  know and it wasn't like a fancy you know [TS]

  you would never even know it was New [TS]

  Year's Eve well you know I i we as a [TS]

  couple of friends of mine i came over [TS]

  for a little bit and they they brought [TS]

  you know I got a pot of pulled pork and [TS]

  and some same buns you know and we had [TS]

  that night but that was about it [TS]

  still I didn't make it to midnight [TS]

  picnic in the mode get a good little bit [TS]

  uh-huh i'll bet you're grumpy when you [TS]

  have to go to bed haha i'm going to be [TS]

  when I have to go to bed and when I [TS]

  haven't eaten [TS]

  I feel when you're hungry right [TS]

  you're not gonna get yeah we ended up [TS]

  but I what's a place in san francisco [TS]

  the house of me do something after the [TS]

  house of prime rib roast private yeah [TS]

  whatever you want or did I wasn't mean [TS]

  you when you're hungry yeah i remember [TS]

  that when you're in a bad method we have [TS]

  less they take care of you as a primary [TS]

  they let you know that hungry [TS]

  no no [TS]

  so I don't know that's going out to New [TS]

  Year's is not a lot of news to talk [TS]

  about we got like your review stuff we [TS]

  could talk about I don't know what if [TS]

  you wanted to start thing I i saw this [TS]

  and that this to me is one of those [TS]

  topics where I know it it's like [TS]

  opinions are all over the map and i know [TS]

  that some people think that I'm off my [TS]

  rocker on this which is the question of [TS]

  where the super east and compared to its [TS]

  competitors like Google system and alexa [TS]

  from amazon and I link to a piece of sky [TS]

  witch whose name I this guy birch tree [TS]

  com where he did a study he did 50 [TS]

  commands with Siri and Google assistant [TS]

  the exact same commands and Cirie [TS]

  actually did better on more of them than [TS]

  google assistant which is does not [TS]

  surprise me [TS]

  it's it's and I think the bottom line is [TS]

  that none of these things are actually [TS]

  good [TS]

  Syria is not good google assistant is [TS]

  not good Alexa is not good all of these [TS]

  things stink and like 10 years from now [TS]

  we're going to look back at the state [TS]

  all these things and they're like [TS]

  ridiculous they're like yes it's it's [TS]

  such an early days and there they all [TS]

  fail in such frustrating ways compared [TS]

  to like even if you had a bad human a [TS]

  personal assistant like a personal [TS]

  assistant here like I should fire this [TS]

  person you hire somebody asked there but [TS]

  they're there they're like it [TS]

  no human being is as stupid or as [TS]

  frustrating as these things are overall [TS]

  in terms of like if you're talking about [TS]

  a certain topic and then you're like [TS]

  we'll go get me one of those [TS]

  they're like what you know you can't you [TS]

  just can't talk to them the way you [TS]

  really want to and we well it's a clear [TS]

  that's what we're working towards but i [TS]

  thought that this guy's thing and then I [TS]

  course because people are very angry [TS]

  about Cirie people this is like an [TS]

  emotional to have it [TS]

  people don't add that's one thing I [TS]

  don't get [TS]

  I and I'm not emotional about it and I [TS]

  know that there are some people in there [TS]

  you know they think that because I I [TS]

  tend to like Apple products i right [TS]

  about Apple that they think I just that [TS]

  I'm somehow like a home team cheerleader [TS]

  for Siri I really don't think so i think [TS]

  Cirie stinks i just think the other one [TS]

  stink too and that in some ways Siri is [TS]

  better in ways that are meaningful to me [TS]

  but people one of the things people said [TS]

  about this bad guys study was that he [TS]

  was using on an Android device but he [TS]

  was using google a low to do that [TS]

  queries and you type it's like a little [TS]

  chat bot so it's sort of like typing it [TS]

  in [TS]

  I message you know and so instead of [TS]

  dictating verbally he's he's typing and [TS]

  they're saying that the argument is that [TS]

  that's not a fair comparison because the [TS]

  real google assistant is a voice driven [TS]

  thing and it's only available on the [TS]

  pixel phones and he didn't have a pixel [TS]

  phone so I don't know is it for me it's [TS]

  but what you want to use it for what it [TS]

  comes down to for me so serious and i [TS]

  said this yesterday about you know all [TS]

  of the [TS]

  of the things that are showing up at CES [TS]

  about yeah [TS]

  alexa yeah you know that to me Siri is [TS]

  the assistant that you carry with you [TS]

  it's your mobile assistant but apple [TS]

  doesn't seem to be taking those steps [TS]

  for the home so if you want and you know [TS]

  an assistant in the home that right now [TS]

  that seems to be alexa matt burch leurs [TS]

  the name of the guy who wrote this story [TS]

  i'll put it in the show notes the [TS]

  difference between Google assistant in [TS]

  Syria and what he did is he made a video [TS]

  about it which i think was a very useful [TS]

  way of doing it where you can actually [TS]

  see the results live [TS]

  yeah i I just I mean it's victor what [TS]

  what [TS]

  amazon is doing right now is very smart [TS]

  yeah I mean there's they're getting [TS]

  alexa into as many products as they can [TS]

  so that they just become the default and [TS]

  he's a very smart thing did it [TS]

  yeah i wrote about this recently where [TS]

  they there was an announcement that the [TS]

  wynn las vegas is going to put alexa or [TS]

  the echo and two off like 4800 of their [TS]

  hotel rooms in vegas property and that [TS]

  however much you want to say that this [TS]

  you know home device stuff is early days [TS]

  you know [TS]

  hey 5,000 hotel rooms here five thousand [TS]

  armed hotel rooms there and all of a [TS]

  sudden you've got like a sustained lead [TS]

  because things like that don't get [TS]

  replaced that often you know it's like [TS]

  how long did it take [TS]

  hotel rooms to get rid of the 30-pin [TS]

  chargers on the long [TS]

  yeah i mean seriously it's is every once [TS]

  in a while I don't know the last time I [TS]

  saw one of those but I you know it until [TS]

  recently I would occasionally would you [TS]

  know the alarm clock would have the [TS]

  30-pin charger i mean that's like what [TS]

  five six years old interview last time [TS]

  you could buy an iphone that had one of [TS]

  those you know you put the win puts [TS]

  5,000 of these alexa things in there and [TS]

  hooks up all of the lights and four [TS]

  thousand rooms full of lights and shades [TS]

  and the window blinds to alexa they're [TS]

  not going to replace it with another [TS]

  device you know next year [TS]

  nope and so it seemed how would you [TS]

  summarize the news coming out of CES [TS]

  you wrote this you got the story on your [TS]

  site Alexa's everywhere output that the [TS]

  show notes [TS]

  yeah I i I've I just never liked CES to [TS]

  be honest with you ever go I did yeah I [TS]

  went for a few years and it's just [TS]

  craziness because a lot of the stuff [TS]

  that you see at CES aren't real products [TS]

  right and it's difficult to really [TS]

  assess what's happening in terms of [TS]

  consumer electronics when you know [TS]

  eighty percent of the products are real [TS]

  or seventy percent or sixty percent you [TS]

  know how they're they're bringing [TS]

  proof-of-concept things to CES I to see [TS]

  how people react to them so the news out [TS]

  of CES to me is just always every year [TS]

  is just kind of there [TS]

  well why would you summarize the [TS]

  election news on that well the election [TS]

  news i find very interesting not because [TS]

  of alexa but because everybody is [TS]

  choosing that platform and hell and [TS]

  partially because it's it's it's a story [TS]

  down on your site the loop dave mark [TS]

  wrote it that they're following a [TS]

  netflix that strategy of trying to embed [TS]

  alexa everywhere that they can and then [TS]

  way that netflix seemingly if you've got [TS]

  a box that makes the he'll come out of [TS]

  it netflix is going to do is willing to [TS]

  put the netflix app on that box [TS]

  I mean everybody can you buy a video box [TS]

  it doesn't come with netflix i don't [TS]

  know ever know if you can I ID holder is [TS]

  everywhere I mean it's even on comcast [TS]

  now how you know that xfinity thing [TS]

  right so yeah thats everywhere [TS]

  yeah I died of a relative who had that [TS]

  with their comcast thing and I that blew [TS]

  me away [TS]

  it really did surprise me that comcast [TS]

  would would do that because you kind of [TS]

  think comcast wants to keep you tied to [TS]

  the cable channels [TS]

  yeah yeah so there's like other other [TS]

  companies among the things I've seen is [TS]

  that there [TS]

  are other companies coming out with echo [TS]

  like Doc's some of them who was the one [TS]

  that is working with mike harmon kardon [TS]

  to make really you know like a really [TS]

  good speaker so yeah if you're if if [TS]

  your gripe about the Amazon echo is hey [TS]

  I I want one of these things i would get [TS]

  the Amazon version but i really want [TS]

  better sound quality than this stuff [TS]

  they've instead of doing it themselves [TS]

  they've they've just license the alexa [TS]

  technology to these other companies but [TS]

  other things too that like a ford motor [TS]

  company announced that they're going to [TS]

  they're going to put alexa into their [TS]

  cars [TS]

  I'm add I don't know it just seems like [TS]

  they're running away with this [TS]

  do you have a voice assistant at home [TS]

  you have google or like so I have the [TS]

  election thing in my kitchen and we [TS]

  never use it but on the other hand no we [TS]

  really don't [TS]

  honest to god I i got it so I could you [TS]

  know try it and it just felt like a [TS]

  reasonable business expense and maybe we [TS]

  would like it but we one thing as we [TS]

  don't have any like smart light bulbs or [TS]

  anything like that when I many smart [TS]

  everything in the house because we're [TS]

  moving somewhat soon [TS]

  supposedly it's a long story but I'm [TS]

  going to sense to buy stuff like that [TS]

  for the place we live now and everybody [TS]

  I know who does like Alexa like Ben [TS]

  Thompson really likes it has stuff in [TS]

  the house where you can say things you [TS]

  know like turn out the kitchen lights or [TS]

  whatever and we don't have anything like [TS]

  that and for the stuff i do do it [TS]

  doesn't work as well as Syria for me [TS]

  like I I can't stand the way usually [TS]

  I've said this before on the show is it [TS]

  and I'm gonna be a broken record but a [TS]

  lot of times all I care about [TS]

  especially when i'm in our kitchen our [TS]

  kitchen has windows so I can see what [TS]

  the weather is like I could see if it's [TS]

  raining or sunny or whatever all i want [TS]

  to know is the temperature outside and [TS]

  alexa if you say what's the temperature [TS]

  gets she understands it but all she does [TS]

  is give you a full weather report for [TS]

  the day but I don't want it takes like [TS]

  30 seconds and if you ask Siri for the [TS]

  temperature she just tells you the [TS]

  temperature but that will mean that [TS]

  leads me to something that I want to [TS]

  complain about Cirie [TS]

  all rights so with Siri when you ask the [TS]

  temperature if it i don't know what the [TS]

  threshold is but somewhere around the [TS]

  freezing [TS]

  I maybe it's like under 40 degrees [TS]

  Fahrenheit or so she dancers with [TS]

  burrower and then tells you the [TS]

  temperature every crack every every [TS]

  goddamn time and this to me is one of [TS]

  the worst things about series like the [TS]

  cuteness of trying to be funny like when [TS]

  you don't know if you're not asking her [TS]

  to be funny because it's not funny [TS]

  that's not funny at all like they need [TS]

  to me haha well but no human being would [TS]

  do that like and I had a real human [TS]

  assistant nobody they they never win and [TS]

  they knew the temperature they would [TS]

  never say verse 33 degrees [TS]

  yeah and if they did they would do it [TS]

  once and maybe only in the context of [TS]

  like a surprisingly cold day like if it [TS]

  was the middle of sep tember and the [TS]

  temperature dropped to an unusual degree [TS]

  you could say something like that but on [TS]

  the east coast in philadelphia in [TS]

  January it's completely normal for it to [TS]

  be 33 degrees there's nothing unusual [TS]

  about it at all and so it's not funny [TS]

  it's just annoying and it every time you [TS]

  write and and it's it [TS]

  I you know what I mean like I don't want [TS]

  my computers to work like that I [TS]

  realized that the conversational nature [TS]

  of Syria is a little different than like [TS]

  using the mac but it's like I like if I [TS]

  i I'm make a new numbers spreadsheet and [TS]

  and I you know title it like 2016 daring [TS]

  fireball company expenses you know [TS]

  because i'm getting ready to go to get [TS]

  my taxes done [TS]

  I don't want the computer when I hit [TS]

  return on saving the file to say you [TS]

  know tax time again huh yeah right and [TS]

  like I don't want my computer just [TS]

  making weird obvious duh [TS]

  comments like that but yes sirree does [TS]

  just tell me the goddamn temperature are [TS]

  they trying to make Siri more I don't [TS]

  know friendly I mean yeah but you have [TS]

  you not friendly though to meet ya [TS]

  that's obviously the intent [TS]

  to try to make it friendly but it's not [TS]

  because it's so funny because it's every [TS]

  day every single day right at that to me [TS]

  has the opposite effect where it just [TS]

  makes it seem it it's more artificial [TS]

  then if if she just said 33 degrees [TS]

  you know it going down to whatever right [TS]

  I find it incredibly annoying but then [TS]

  on the other side you have a alexa [TS]

  giving you full weather forecast remilia [TS]

  one is the temperature right [TS]

  the thing with this alexa everywhere is [TS]

  I I don't quite know how it's going to [TS]

  tie into being personal it in terms of [TS]

  like Amazon just doesn't know that much [TS]

  about me and you know you can do things [TS]

  like say add to my shopping list and [TS]

  it's just like your amazon shopping list [TS]

  but it's like a and I think there's a [TS]

  way you can hook up your google calendar [TS]

  but i don't use google calendar so you [TS]

  know like Siri has an advantage on [TS]

  things like access to my actual calendar [TS]

  that election is never going to have [TS]

  right and I don't think like Alexa can't [TS]

  send the text messages or I messages i [TS]

  don't know certainly not my messages and [TS]

  I don't think it can send text messages [TS]

  so I don't know it's it seems more about [TS]

  information and controlling like this [TS]

  just controlling your environment with [TS]

  the lights and playing music than about [TS]

  being a real personal assistant [TS]

  well and i'm the same way as you i don't [TS]

  have the light bulbs and I don't but I [TS]

  when I think of a personal assistant in [TS]

  the home I think of having something [TS]

  that will be more interactive with me [TS]

  and my surroundings then what anything [TS]

  is right now maybe that's why I don't [TS]

  really I i haven't gone and purchase one [TS]

  of these because it doesn't really do [TS]

  anything besides answer questions you [TS]

  know [TS]

  I mean I don't know yet I'm Merlin loves [TS]

  his MH Ben Thompson does to ya [TS]

  so I don't know I mean maybe I'm just [TS]

  not seeing it and i don't know i'm not [TS]

  but right now I mean they if i sat down [TS]

  now and even if there was a sale on [TS]

  alexa this afternoon i don't think i'd [TS]

  buy one because i I just I don't think [TS]

  it's gonna do a whole lot for me I mean [TS]

  look at the google commercial about the [TS]

  you know the little boy that's saying [TS]

  trying to make the dog disappear right [TS]

  and he's trying to figure out what the [TS]

  magic word is I mean that's cute but it [TS]

  really didn't do anything so I don't [TS]

  know why I keep coming back to this [TS]

  solve a problem thing how much is like [TS]

  solving a problem right now none of the [TS]

  new products [TS]

  it may but I i just don't see what it's [TS]

  doing for me then so great that I just [TS]

  can't do it myself I see how eventually [TS]

  it well I think eventually exactly [TS]

  amazing i really do i think i think if [TS]

  you could just tell your assistant hey [TS]

  I'm I'm fine to San Francisco you know [TS]

  on these dates [TS]

  what are my choices for flights from [TS]

  american airlines and then you know have [TS]

  Siri come back in a couple of seconds [TS]

  and just have like an ordered list of [TS]

  you know like direct flights from Philly [TS]

  to San Francisco that would be fantastic [TS]

  isn't that what that new one did that [TS]

  Samsung bought yeah yeah sort of i mean [TS]

  but again I think that's a lot like CES [TS]

  were viv viv was great as the one that's [TS]

  created by the people who originally [TS]

  created serie so they have a track [TS]

  record it's not like they're you know a [TS]

  like they don't have a track record but [TS]

  i don't think i think it was sort of a [TS]

  proof-of-concept you know like when they [TS]

  demoed it i don't think it was real [TS]

  you know it really couldn't do the [TS]

  things that they were showing [TS]

  but that's that's where they work where [TS]

  they're going with it right [TS]

  you know it seemed and and this is I [TS]

  mean what when everybody saw that well [TS]

  you know everybody freaked out because [TS]

  series couldn't do those things but we [TS]

  don't know that Siri can't do those [TS]

  things you just know that the series [TS]

  that we have can't right so where were [TS]

  very quick to did the jump on apple and [TS]

  say that they're not doing things but [TS]

  Siri could outdo viv right now and in [TS]

  you know the prototype models bottom [TS]

  line for me is not that again not that [TS]

  Syria is behind these other companies [TS]

  but that they all still stink over all [TS]

  and they're better and but they're very [TS]

  different at different things like one [TS]

  of the things that most people really [TS]

  praised Alexa for is that once you know [TS]

  exactly what to say to it it'll get it [TS]

  every time and it's and the response [TS]

  time turnaround works response time is [TS]

  faster for a lot of people with alexa in [TS]

  terms of how long do you have to wait [TS]

  the thing that matters the reason it it [TS]

  all matter and a perfect example of why [TS]

  it matters is air pods right because [TS]

  Syria is a big part of their pots and I [TS]

  know like my wife loves her she really [TS]

  really loves him and she switched from [TS]

  Cirie to having double tap play pause [TS]

  because she finds the need to pause [TS]

  without taking it out a lot and so like [TS]

  she even tweeted that that switching it [TS]

  to play pause was a game-changer like it [TS]

  really made hurt it that preference [TS]

  setting made her go from mostly liking [TS]

  their pods to loving their pods I i set [TS]

  mine like that you know a day after i [TS]

  had them in when I figured out how to [TS]

  change that setting [TS]

  I've I've kept it I've kept it on Cirie [TS]

  almost since I I hadn't played us for a [TS]

  little bit but I like taking it out so [TS]

  at the it and usually it it works for me [TS]

  you know that works like function works [TS]

  but in practical terms if it's fine for [TS]

  me to just take it out to play pause so [TS]

  I keep it on series so i use the serial [TS]

  lot [TS]

  uh-huh but it is the biggest annoyance [TS]

  for me is the pause between when I [TS]

  double tap it and when [TS]

  I get the prompt and I'm bro I what's [TS]

  the word impatient that a lot of times [TS]

  I'll start saying what i want to say [TS]

  before it's actually listening the [TS]

  accuracy is probably it's probably the [TS]

  most accurate serie product i know and i [TS]

  don't know if that's because the [TS]

  microphone is right there you know it so [TS]

  close to my mouth I don't know if it's [TS]

  because there's two of them i don't know [TS]

  if you know like if they're doing funny [TS]

  stuff like in you know getting it out of [TS]

  the bones in my ear or whatever but it's [TS]

  very very accurate she is it is when i [TS]

  dictate into air pods it's the accuracy [TS]

  is the highest of any product but that [TS]

  pit that that pause between the second [TS]

  tap and when it's actually listening is [TS]

  infuriating [TS]

  yeah i do the same thing as you it's [TS]

  it's like when it's on a Bluetooth in [TS]

  the car and we tried that is on [TS]

  bluetooth and the current you press it [TS]

  and there's this long pause and I've [TS]

  already started talking just any happen [TS]

  and the pauses even longer than normal [TS]

  and I get that you know it's because [TS]

  it's over bluetooth and its kind of [TS]

  connecting as a phone call or however it [TS]

  doesn't but still it's not optimal [TS]

  I think that it's get the number one way [TS]

  that Syrian needs to improve his [TS]

  response time I beyond any just don't [TS]

  even get into the the what Siri can do [TS]

  and the the accuracy and whatever but [TS]

  getting the response time is close to [TS]

  zero as possible i think it's essential [TS]

  and I think in in all of computing [TS]

  people recognize that that's it doesn't [TS]

  matter what field you're in eventually [TS]

  anything where there's a delay it it if [TS]

  you don't get rid of that delay the [TS]

  product falls by the wayside you know [TS]

  yeah like it seems to be i remember back [TS]

  when we have floppy disks when you hit [TS]

  command ask you have to wait wait a bit [TS]

  for the hot just like a word processing [TS]

  file to save right you need here the [TS]

  lobby going to it you know it's my right [TS]

  you have to wait but you really don't [TS]

  have to wait anymore [TS]

  well now it does it automatically so [TS]

  with empathy [TS]

  that's the whole then we know that that [TS]

  this is going to be a lot different [TS]

  right [TS]

  and in the coming years it's just right [TS]

  now I have difficulty finding the the [TS]

  usefulness for all of this angers here's [TS]

  another example Apple maps it's very [TS]

  cool [TS]

  it really is but if you're going [TS]

  somewhere where you don't know I'm Apple [TS]

  maps will will just say in half a mile [TS]

  turn left [TS]

  whereas google maps is more interactive [TS]

  more friendly more detailed google maps [TS]

  will say in half a mile [TS]

  use the left two lanes in turn left [TS]

  ok you know now I know what my options [TS]

  are or if you're coming to one of those [TS]

  intersections on the the freeway you [TS]

  know google maps will say you know in in [TS]

  one mile use the right two lanes to take [TS]

  the exit here then keep left [TS]

  you know either then use the left lane [TS]

  to to keep left eye that's useful and [TS]

  that is very useful [TS]

  yeah I'm to just say I keep right and [TS]

  then a lot of times there's a fork in [TS]

  the road when you keep right minute says [TS]

  now keep left right no it doesn't it [TS]

  doesn't say everything that you need [TS]

  I think to be uh to allow you to be as [TS]

  successful in in your journey so I love [TS]

  Apple maps i think it's great uh it's [TS]

  very cool interface it you know for the [TS]

  most part of it gives great directions [TS]

  the directions are basically the same [TS]

  they're just more detailed in areas that [TS]

  you don't know to allow you and I i [TS]

  actually used it [TS]

  Christmas day I went to visit a friend [TS]

  and have only had only been to their [TS]

  house one time before and I had been [TS]

  playing around but course like we all do [TS]

  play around with the apps all the time [TS]

  and I was playing around with with [TS]

  google maps and I used it and a clued in [TS]

  to me how much that matter that little [TS]

  detail mattered in areas where I didn't [TS]

  know where I was going so that that's a [TS]

  situation where ya this actually did [TS]

  help solve the problem for me you know i [TS]

  wasn't turning into the middle lane and [TS]

  then waiting for apple maps to say which [TS]

  way i have to turn right but are some [TS]

  you know it is humane as saying when it [TS]

  when if it tells you you can be in [TS]

  either of the two left lanes and you're [TS]

  already in like the one closer to the [TS]

  center then you know you're already good [TS]

  and you don't have to worry about [TS]

  merging one more line over just because [TS]

  you know if you make a left that's [TS]

  actually very useful information and [TS]

  it's a sort of thing that once you're [TS]

  familiar with with a with a route to a [TS]

  certain sir you just do that your brain [TS]

  does that automatically you're like oh [TS]

  yeah i know i'm good at that there's two [TS]

  lanes that go right here because it's a [TS]

  busy exit [TS]

  yeah and actually after I make that left [TS]

  turn I have to make a media right so you [TS]

  know I better stay in the you know the [TS]

  second-most left lane because that [TS]

  that's where i will all want to term and [TS]

  see those are just the the types of [TS]

  things that I when I want to talk about [TS]

  the usefulness that to me is very useful [TS]

  and I really like that [TS]

  alright let me take a break care and [TS]

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  yeah it's alright love it good today I [TS]

  don't honestly I don't even know their [TS]

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  calm all right what about this there was [TS]

  a really good article by Chuck von [TS]

  Rossbach he called animals 2016 year in [TS]

  review and I thought it was really [TS]

  thought I didn't agree with everything [TS]

  that he wrote but you know that's that's [TS]

  the way the world works on but I thought [TS]

  he made a couple of good points in [TS]

  particular on the airport base stations [TS]

  in the mac pro lineups in particular and [TS]

  the thing that both of these products [TS]

  have in common [TS]

  I mean obviously the mac pro is very [TS]

  expensive product it's the you know core [TS]

  to a lot of people's relationship with [TS]

  apple if you're a professional that has [TS]

  a need for a mac pro that's this is [TS]

  probably it's probably the most [TS]

  important thing that Apple makes for you [TS]

  very expensive too [TS]

  I guess it's apples most expensive [TS]

  product right i mean i can't imagine [TS]

  that there's anything else that it's [TS]

  more expensive than a true [TS]

  tripped out Mac Pro forward base [TS]

  stations are not there sort of a other I [TS]

  don't even know what category they put [TS]

  them in on the apple website but it's [TS]

  sort of like a little peripheral and [TS]

  they're not very expensive and it's just [TS]

  sort of just waited to keep you in the [TS]

  apple ecosystem and make sure that you [TS]

  know you have an apple-like experience [TS]

  setting up Wi-Fi in your house where you [TS]

  you know get a nice lap on your phone [TS]

  and it's very easy to understand how to [TS]

  set up from a consumers point of view [TS]

  and because if you're using an apple [TS]

  airport you know that things like back [TS]

  to your Mac or whatever should work you [TS]

  know features you know that the the way [TS]

  that the features that Apple has for the [TS]

  products that they operate over the [TS]

  internet you know presumably they're [TS]

  going to work better with or at least as [TS]

  there is expected to within AirPort base [TS]

  station but the thing with both of these [TS]

  products is they're terribly out of date [TS]

  and they're still but yet apple is still [TS]

  selling them at the same prices is what [TS]

  when they came out and I don't know and [TS]

  there was a story government had a story [TS]

  a couple months ago that that Apple is [TS]

  getting out of the airport game and that [TS]

  they've they've reassigned the engineers [TS]

  who were previously working on airport [TS]

  base stations to other teams so I don't [TS]

  knows what's going on there [TS]

  yeah I'd you know what's interesting [TS]

  about 2016 is that the products that had [TS]

  the least of Madame updates are the ones [TS]

  that are get is getting the most amount [TS]

  of news you know the mac didn't have a [TS]

  lot of updates especially the mac pro [TS]

  and imac but that's what everybody's [TS]

  talking about right [TS]

  I i don't think that there are banding [TS]

  the mac well I don't we can get to the [TS]

  mac in a bit and i don't think so either [TS]

  but with the airport it's a similar [TS]

  story I think what has to be because [TS]

  it's either there you know it's a simple [TS]

  product i do you think Apple should [TS]

  still be making the airport base [TS]

  stations i would love for them to still [TS]

  make AirPort base stations because i [TS]

  think that they're they're good [TS]

  you know they aight i guess the argument [TS]

  against it is that there are plenty of [TS]

  other companies that make just fine [TS]

  products so it there's no no way for [TS]

  Apple to really stand out like apples [TS]

  apples should focus on the products that [TS]

  they can build that our best-in-class [TS]

  right like the iphone in my opinion is [TS]

  far and away the best phone that you can [TS]

  buy and it's not even it you know to me [TS]

  it's not even close and it [TS]

  the difference is even if you disagree [TS]

  that it's the best you can certainly see [TS]

  how it's different because it's the only [TS]

  phone that runs iOS and I was a huge [TS]

  thing the only reason I think that Apple [TS]

  is not best-in-class and the products [TS]

  that builds is because those are the [TS]

  products that it's not focusing on [TS]

  I mean there was a time when when the [TS]

  airport time machine [TS]

  you know time capsule they were they [TS]

  were best [TS]

  yeah they were definitely I thought [TS]

  especially when you take into [TS]

  consideration not just how they function [TS]

  once set up but the setup process itself [TS]

  you know like because I remember the one [TS]

  time at one point I did have a i forget [TS]

  if it was a linksys I think it was a [TS]

  linksys and it was it was ridiculous how [TS]

  you configure the thing it was like you [TS]

  had to go to like a special it turn it [TS]

  on and you'd point your web browser on [TS]

  your computer to a certain IP address [TS]

  that wasn't like outside it was right [TS]

  there on the the linksys and type a [TS]

  password and it was like nobody ever [TS]

  change the password you know you could i [TS]

  did of course but most people didn't and [TS]

  it was like it's stupid it was like the [TS]

  password was like admin or something [TS]

  like that [TS]

  yeah and then you'd you'd you'd [TS]

  configure it in your web browser and it [TS]

  was like you really had to be like it a [TS]

  low-level network engineer to understand [TS]

  what anything met it was really really [TS]

  difficult and whereas right from the [TS]

  get-go airport you'd configure it with a [TS]

  really nice app on your Mac that was you [TS]

  know just like everything else like it [TS]

  was it was easy you know max tile [TS]

  interface to to configure the stuff i [TS]

  don't know that that's they're not alone [TS]

  in that though and they have I will just [TS]

  say this just to have just said as a [TS]

  2 full disclosure 0 as sponsored the [TS]

  talk show a couple of times they're not [TS]

  a sponsor this week I don't think [TS]

  they're coming up soon either but they [TS]

  have sponsored the site and they gave me [TS]

  as part of the sponsorship a three-pack [TS]

  of euros so the euros i have set up here [TS]

  are you know your complimentary as part [TS]

  of the sponsorship package it's better I [TS]

  i have a couple of friends who I know [TS]

  also have zero setup I haven't heard [TS]

  from one of them who didn't didn't get a [TS]

  better network in our house after [TS]

  switching from like airport or or some [TS]

  of them didn't weren't even using a [TS]

  report before but whatever they did that [TS]

  0 gives them a better you know the house [TS]

  has better faster internet now you know [TS]

  take a speed test with your old and [TS]

  internet take it out put the eros and [TS]

  take another speed test and you get [TS]

  better results and they have a nice add [TS]

  you know I don't know that Apple could [TS]

  do better than hero i really don't i [TS]

  mean i think they could do as good but I [TS]

  don't know that they can do better and I [TS]

  know there's a couple of other companies [TS]

  that are doing the same thing with these [TS]

  mesh networks we have a couple of [TS]

  devices met you know around the house [TS]

  I don't know but I do know this whether [TS]

  they should if they're going to sell [TS]

  them they should have updated hardware [TS]

  that's competitive with its current [TS]

  state of the art and if they're not they [TS]

  should get get the hell out of the the [TS]

  business and you know put put zeros or [TS]

  some other brand in the apple store and [TS]

  tell people to buy those instead as it [TS]

  stands right now you know if you go into [TS]

  the apple store and you're like hey I [TS]

  you know just moved to an apartment i [TS]

  want to get a new while we set up a new [TS]

  Wi-Fi network if you go in the apple [TS]

  store and do it you're going to get us [TS]

  right now today as we record you're [TS]

  going to get a substandard product like [TS]

  that's antithetical to the apple brand [TS]

  but I really do believe that I you know [TS]

  I i really do stand by this I think it's [TS]

  true that the Apple brand a big part of [TS]

  it for non-expert users is that you can [TS]

  go to the apple store and buy if they [TS]

  sell it what you're buying from them [TS]

  will be a one of the best you know a [TS]

  great product doesn't matter what it is [TS]

  if you're going into by a phone you're [TS]

  going to get an iphone you're gonna get [TS]

  a laptop you're going to get a macbook [TS]

  these are great products and for stuff [TS]

  that they the other type of stuff they [TS]

  sell from third parties they're good [TS]

  stuff like if you get an iphone case [TS]

  from the apple store is going to be a [TS]

  good case it's not going to be a piece [TS]

  of jump but if you get a base station [TS]

  today you're going to get one it's lower [TS]

  than if you bought euros so I think they [TS]

  should either they should either get out [TS]

  of the business or update the heart i [TS]

  might have to try that it euros i just [TS]

  don't get do you get it I don't get why [TS]

  they're I don't get why there's no yeah [TS]

  and you know [TS]

  no I think with the mac pro and we can [TS]

  segue here into the mat pro I think with [TS]

  the mac pro my guess is that something [TS]

  went terribly wrong with the did that [TS]

  radical new design of the trashcan mac [TS]

  pro whether it's hard to make whether [TS]

  this factory it in the United States [TS]

  whereas at austin isn't working out you [TS]

  know and that they you know if they get [TS]

  it some kind of thing where they [TS]

  anticipated that it would be easy to get [TS]

  new updated chips and GPUs and put them [TS]

  in the same design and it's not if it's [TS]

  proving too expensive to make and you [TS]

  know they need to redesign and if they [TS]

  had a redesign a new product that was in [TS]

  the works that failed somehow I I think [TS]

  there's some kind of complicated story [TS]

  like that where they intended to have [TS]

  updated hardware and something happened [TS]

  that's not behind the scenes that kept [TS]

  them from releasing it you know like [TS]

  they were expecting x y&z from Intel in [TS]

  2016 and Intel did fail to deliver and [TS]

  it left holding the bag because there [TS]

  they didn't have a plan B I don't know [TS]

  something like that but with the airport [TS]

  base stations it doesn't make any sense [TS]

  to me why they couldn't have an updated [TS]

  but product if they wanted to [TS]

  well and and what's strange is that when [TS]

  we when we the underwater borrowers of [TS]

  like three weeks ago or a month ago they [TS]

  released the first update software [TS]

  update for it in God knows how long [TS]

  for what for the airport base station oh [TS]

  yeah yeah you know just I don't know I i [TS]

  agree with you i do I see [TS]

  added you say that there's other [TS]

  products out there that are faster [TS]

  there are other products out there that [TS]

  are just as easy to use and i haven't [TS]

  tried any of those i still have to [TS]

  airport base stations one at a time [TS]

  capsule and one regular em and that's [TS]

  what i use you know so I haven't had the [TS]

  need to try any of the others so for me [TS]

  everything works fine if i could get [TS]

  more speed then that would be great [TS]

  I would love that and if Apple is is not [TS]

  going to to keep up with them [TS]

  I mean if app the thing that we love the [TS]

  most about apple products that i think [TS]

  is the integration or one of the things [TS]

  you know everything just kind of works [TS]

  together you know you the automatic [TS]

  backups 44 time machine and you know you [TS]

  get one of these airports and everything [TS]

  just it just works everything talks to [TS]

  each other [TS]

  it's great and i love that i love not [TS]

  having to think about all the things [TS]

  that you know Apple does for us so now [TS]

  it doesn't always just work of which is [TS]

  well another topic of conversation but [TS]

  sometimes it does and when it does it's [TS]

  easy to forget just how cool it is i got [TS]

  one of the ones that will work for me [TS]

  now and I hadn't actually tried it for a [TS]

  while because my icloud account was I [TS]

  don't know I couldn't have I couldn't [TS]

  turn two-factor authentication on add to [TS]

  that they had to this it's very [TS]

  confusing there's like an older thing [TS]

  that they had that wasn't called to [TS]

  factor it was like to form [TS]

  oh yes yes yes identification and it's [TS]

  like it did send things to my iphone you [TS]

  know I had that turned on but adds like [TS]

  when you have that turned on you have to [TS]

  turn it off before you can switch to the [TS]

  real to factor and then when I did that [TS]

  I my icloud account couldn't have to it [TS]

  just didn't give me the option to turn [TS]

  on two-factor but without two-factor [TS]

  authentication on your iCloud you can't [TS]

  use this is what I'm going to you can't [TS]

  use the new unlock your mac [TS]

  your Apple watch feature yes so anyway I [TS]

  got that straightened out somehow [TS]

  ah and i turned to factor on my icloud [TS]

  account and I've you know gotta watch [TS]

  your running watching us 3.1 and the [TS]

  unlock your mac with the watch thing is [TS]

  amazing it's absolutely yes amazing love [TS]

  it was it [TS]

  i I can't believe and it works really [TS]

  well and I know that it's one of those [TS]

  things i think it was Mac OS that the [TS]

  10-point 12.2 update the same update [TS]

  where they already took out the [TS]

  remaining battery battery think yeah the [TS]

  same the same update one of the other [TS]

  features that was a bullet point you [TS]

  know like hey here's what we've got in [TS]

  this minor update to Mac you know to Mac [TS]

  os10 i guess i just called Mac OS now [TS]

  Sierra was that they made the unlock [TS]

  with your watch a lot faster now I I i [TS]

  didn't use it before that though so I [TS]

  don't know how but the speed was but the [TS]

  speed now is amazing it it tells you as [TS]

  you wake up your Mac it's like unlocking [TS]

  with Apple watch right and in way less [TS]

  time than it would take me to enter my [TS]

  password [TS]

  I'm in and part of the the thing that [TS]

  they that they fixed with that is even [TS]

  the language to set it up [TS]

  yes he because they they didn't really [TS]

  explain to you what was going on and if [TS]

  something went wrong then it just kind [TS]

  of went wrong [TS]

  yeah hole and I'm and i was i was very [TS]

  fortunate that I had while I set up a [TS]

  couple that went perfectly fine and then [TS]

  I set up one that just would not work [TS]

  and I couldn't figure out why wouldn't [TS]

  work so now the languages is better [TS]

  there there being a bit more interactive [TS]

  and what they're doing so all of that [TS]

  helps you know I i really like the the [TS]

  unlock with Apple watch because I I work [TS]

  a lot on [TS]

  on my laptop and my mac right now i'm [TS]

  using a macbook pro and i work on that a [TS]

  lot so whenever I walk up to is it just [TS]

  unlocks and I don't know about you but [TS]

  I'll get up and go grab a coffee or you [TS]

  know get on the phone or you know just [TS]

  taking a walk and and then when I came [TS]

  back it's locked and it's not a big deal [TS]

  honestly to type in your password [TS]

  it's just more efficient not to know if [TS]

  your Apple watch is connected and you [TS]

  know again that integration and the [TS]

  things that that Apple saves you know [TS]

  the efficiency to me is a big deal [TS]

  well it's let's circle back to the mac [TS]

  pro what people look at this and and I [TS]

  and I think we're maybe so I I [TS]

  understand I've I said it was almost [TS]

  like a form of paranoia and I think it's [TS]

  because i think people recognize that if [TS]

  you if you prefer a desktop style [TS]

  interface meaning you know I'm keyboard [TS]

  and mouse in windows that are just [TS]

  stacked on the screen and you know [TS]

  there's you've got you can choose Mac [TS]

  you can choose windows and then on the [TS]

  open source side there's a bunch of you [TS]

  know linux variants a link to a guy this [TS]

  week who tried like 10 of them you see [TS]

  that where he tried like 10 different [TS]

  because he's like trying to prepare for [TS]

  what happens if mac OS goes away or at [TS]

  least for his own needs as a like a ruby [TS]

  developer and I think what people who [TS]

  really love and get the mac understand [TS]

  is that there's nothing the other ones [TS]

  are nothing like the mac like I i would [TS]

  cry i don't i honest to god I think I [TS]

  just stop working if i had to use [TS]

  windows [TS]

  yeah i don't i don't know I'd become [TS]

  like it [TS]

  I don't know lumberjack or something I'm [TS]

  not cut out for physically but I don't [TS]

  follow [TS]

  I want to see that I'd have to advise [TS]

  the now I don't know I don't know I [TS]

  become a podcaster and just recorded on [TS]

  tapes because I wouldn't mind but there [TS]

  is no mode the mac OS is amazing it is [TS]

  it you know it it it's so good in so [TS]

  many ways for a power user and it [TS]

  doesn't mean you know and I realized and [TS]

  I think the fear that people see is you [TS]

  know that people see the that iOS cells [TS]

  way more devices especially phones but [TS]

  iPads you know however however much I [TS]

  pads have declined in sales from their [TS]

  peak they still out sell the mac ah and [TS]

  there are a lot of people for a lot you [TS]

  know for a lot of people the ipad can be [TS]

  a great main computer and people see [TS]

  that and it gives them the fear that [TS]

  Apple is going to you know say why why [TS]

  waste time on the mac much like why you [TS]

  know why waste time updating AirPort [TS]

  base stations when you know iOS is where [TS]

  it's at and we'll just make everybody [TS]

  moved to iOS yeah i don't i don't think [TS]

  that's reasonable i don't think that's [TS]

  the case but I think I'm loosely [TS]

  articulating the fear that's out there [TS]

  clearly i mean there's no do you eat you [TS]

  can't deny that there are people who are [TS]

  worried about this right of course yes [TS]

  absolutely i mean it is one of the main [TS]

  topics of conversation of of mac power [TS]

  users right now yes is you know and and [TS]

  there's you know let's just put it out [TS]

  there there's absolute the proof there's [TS]

  proof that something is wrong and so far [TS]

  as the mac pro is of I got 1,100 days [TS]

  old and hasn't been updated [TS]

  yeah i mean that is a fact that's funny [TS]

  inarguable yeah you can argue the facts [TS]

  that that are out there but [TS]

  is there were very quick to believe and [TS]

  in some cases we know that Apple has [TS]

  prototypes of of different products [TS]

  I you know there they are actively [TS]

  working on new products and they have [TS]

  those prototypes but for some reason [TS]

  we've refused to believe that they're [TS]

  working on new max right and is that our [TS]

  problem or is it you know apples problem [TS]

  I think is partly apples problem because [TS]

  they have an updated the name thing i [TS]

  think that i think one of the items up [TS]

  one of the problems is a misconception [TS]

  among people who I think should even [TS]

  know better that they see Apple as [TS]

  almost omnipotent that they if they will [TS]

  you know that that that what I think is [TS]

  the case is that something has gone [TS]

  horribly wrong out this is not their [TS]

  plan Apple never plan to to go three [TS]

  years without an update to this and that [TS]

  something behind the scenes or maybe [TS]

  multiple things like it's like a domino [TS]

  effect of one thing leading to another [TS]

  has left them and and that they are it [TS]

  inside Apple it terribly embarrassed [TS]

  that you know and there are people who [TS]

  up the chain who are angry you know that [TS]

  it but that because it's apple and [TS]

  people an apple keep their mouths shut [TS]

  the story doesn't leak and so from the [TS]

  outside it just looks you know it's like [TS]

  at a a disastrous development process [TS]

  for either an updated mac pro similar to [TS]

  the one that you know that that they [TS]

  unveiled three years ago or an all new [TS]

  mac pro that is a totally new design [TS]

  because the reason that this one went [TS]

  without an update was there were various [TS]

  things that were wrong with it that from [TS]

  Apple's perspective one way or the other [TS]

  that those development projects went so [TS]

  wrong that they're delayed by years is [TS]

  that possible I think there's a lot of [TS]

  people out there who think that that [TS]

  Apple has so many resources and is so [TS]

  wealthy and [TS]

  and and in good at this stuff that [TS]

  couldn't be the case and therefore apple [TS]

  has willfully and purposefully put the [TS]

  mac pro in the state that it's in i [TS]

  think a lot of people who think that and [TS]

  I think they're wrong I think Apple [TS]

  could get its I think they push the [TS]

  boundaries so hard that they fail all [TS]

  the time and we just don't know it [TS]

  well yeah i agree with that [TS]

  wholeheartedly but if something like the [TS]

  if what you're describing is true then [TS]

  it would have to be something outside of [TS]

  apples control but we've seen I don't [TS]

  know though [TS]

  but just think I don't even think it [TS]

  could be like just think back and I know [TS]

  it seems like ancient history but think [TS]

  back to the mac cube in 2002 love the [TS]

  cube I don't execute i wish that i [TS]

  wanted 1i coveted one desperately [TS]

  because it seemed like a perfect [TS]

  computer for me but it was outside my [TS]

  budget [TS]

  I loved it yeah but with those like the [TS]

  fine cracks that were in it you know [TS]

  that was out you know that was within [TS]

  their control [TS]

  it's it's things like that like remember [TS]

  a to me that the best example that that [TS]

  things can go terribly wrong for Apple [TS]

  proof is the white iphone for the area [TS]

  right camera and in the first iphone for [TS]

  this was the last iphone that was [TS]

  released at the June timeframe the 4s i [TS]

  think was the one that moved to [TS]

  September so they announced it like WWDC [TS]

  and it's a radical new design it's got a [TS]

  glass back it really was a just a great [TS]

  improvement right it's the first one [TS]

  that went retina it the 3gs was sort of [TS]

  a sort of like the cheapest look and I [TS]

  found that they ever made you know the [TS]

  3g 3gs with the plastic back so it's [TS]

  like a premium upgrade in in materials [TS]

  it's a at just great in so many ways and [TS]

  they say it's available in black and [TS]

  white and the black one comes out at [TS]

  like the end of june or first week in [TS]

  July and then they say well there's a [TS]

  couple of weeks on the white one and [TS]

  it's like a couple of weeks and then it [TS]

  ends up at the thing doesn't ship until [TS]

  like may have the next year right [TS]

  yeah yeah I mean it was so close it was [TS]

  close to when people were anticipating [TS]

  the next iphone would come out even [TS]

  though it didn't come [TS]

  in june but that meant people you know [TS]

  it it was almost a full year late [TS]

  alcoholic Dana and I you know and [TS]

  they've they've mumbled something about [TS]

  manufacturing process you know right [TS]

  they never really because they don't our [TS]

  Apple they don't want to explain what [TS]

  went wrong [TS]

  right but it's not the camera right I I [TS]

  don't remember why i think it was [TS]

  something with because it was the same [TS]

  cameras black right what are wasn't at [TS]

  the White interfere with the can right [TS]

  right yeah I seem to remember that that [TS]

  was when I when you took a picture it [TS]

  would the White would interfere with how [TS]

  the picture turned out not in it will [TS]

  end and it was you know as far as i [TS]

  understand it was like if everything [TS]

  went perfectly in the manufacturing of [TS]

  the white back thing it was fine it's [TS]

  just that when they started trying to [TS]

  pump millions of them out you know at [TS]

  the full production rate some of them of [TS]

  a too many of them like had this floor [TS]

  right like too much like got in and it [TS]

  ruined the thing is I remember [TS]

  ah it was bizarre it was like when they [TS]

  antennagate you therefore the antenna [TS]

  gate press I like I couldn't make it the [TS]

  rest of the structure notice couldn't [TS]

  make literally the same day I mean I [TS]

  remember whatever day it was they called [TS]

  me and they were like it's tomorrow [TS]

  morning so I it was like yet I I think [TS]

  it's the one time I've ever done this I [TS]

  I like got the phone call like two [TS]

  o'clock eastern time here and found a [TS]

  four o'clock flight to test fo and so [TS]

  like I I was like I booked it and it [TS]

  wasn't ungodly expensive but you know [TS]

  booking a flight that leaves in two [TS]

  hours is kind of expensive yet and I [TS]

  told Amy and I gotta go there apples [TS]

  have anything about this antenna thing [TS]

  tomorrow I got a flight and I was like [TS]

  like in a cab on the way to the airport [TS]

  about 20 minutes after after I'd gotten [TS]

  off the phone with apple and you know [TS]

  got like it was like the last I mean I [TS]

  think I had a couple of other choices [TS]

  but it was the only non stop that was [TS]

  that was remaining for the day but [TS]

  anyway I remember going there for that [TS]

  meeting and I was in the group of people [TS]

  that got the tour of the antenna fits [TS]

  abilities and I was better than any of [TS]

  us and while we were doing that we're [TS]

  walking between a you know town hall and [TS]

  where they were going to show us these [TS]

  these antennae testing rooms you know [TS]

  where they're in the middle of the [TS]

  campus network at the events now they [TS]

  let us you know they have us go through [TS]

  the middle of of infinite loops campus [TS]

  but back then that was very rare they [TS]

  let you in like yeah yeah they had like [TS]

  one door that you could go in and you [TS]

  were right there in front of town hall [TS]

  and that was it [TS]

  you know like you weren't going anywhere [TS]

  like now they let us know that they have [TS]

  come in the main door and we get the [TS]

  little in a walk through the the campus [TS]

  but back in this the KT cotton days you [TS]

  didn't get me anything but we did to get [TS]

  to this thing and the thing that I [TS]

  remember was this is just it was that it [TS]

  was like august i think there were apple [TS]

  employees walking around with white [TS]

  iphones it's a very long story to say [TS]

  that this that there but anyway the [TS]

  white iphone 4 is proof that Apple [TS]

  something can go disastrously wrong [TS]

  between prototype and saying okay yes [TS]

  this this is good to go we're going to [TS]

  make this in mass production and then [TS]

  making it in mass production something [TS]

  can go wrong and I think something like [TS]

  that has gone wrong with the mac pro I [TS]

  firm is I i have no reason to believe it [TS]

  other than that it makes the most sense [TS]

  to me no no little birdies have told me [TS]

  anything like this but I definitely [TS]

  think it's possible and i think the [TS]

  pessimism out there is that there's too [TS]

  many people who who think that that [TS]

  couldn't happen apple because Apple is [TS]

  too you know too rich too good too smart [TS]

  well I i do you ever see a time i will [TS]

  not ever in the next few years that [TS]

  apple will come out and say we're done [TS]

  with the mac or we're done with the pro [TS]

  levels [TS]

  no I don't in fact i think the pro [TS]

  levels are the ones that have the [TS]

  biggest future i think that the the I [TS]

  think the thing that makes the mac [TS]

  essential is the pro level people often [TS]

  bring up [TS]

  and i think it's a it's a good point now [TS]

  but it's just one of many pro use cases [TS]

  the one thing I've seen this argument a [TS]

  lot that no Apple the the mac will be [TS]

  around forever because you need a mac to [TS]

  make iphone apps right and what could [TS]

  Apple do if they if they abandoned the [TS]

  mac how would you how would you make [TS]

  iphone apps y-you they could in theory [TS]

  the port xcode to windows and the story [TS]

  would be okay if you want to write [TS]

  iphone apps you have to use windows [TS]

  I mean technically that could happen but [TS]

  there's zero percent chance that apple [TS]

  would do this 000 oh ok so let me ask [TS]

  you this if if i say to you right now [TS]

  John I wanted to write and post this the [TS]

  story [TS]

  oh and hang up and go would you go to [TS]

  your Mac your ipad well i would go to [TS]

  the back i do almost all of my work on [TS]

  the mac but I don't dispute the fact [TS]

  that there are people like federal [TS]

  vanity oh and Ben Brooks who are the [TS]

  more productive for them you know it's [TS]

  it is you know for different people [TS]

  it's is iOS could be like I see the [TS]

  appeal of it I don't deny it you know [TS]

  like I feel like I feel like that's [TS]

  another mistake a lot of mac proponents [TS]

  people who love the mac and want you [TS]

  know really do it [TS]

  hey there's some people I see it on [TS]

  Twitter all the time when they say you [TS]

  know you can't do real work on an iPad [TS]

  and that you know that's wrong and that [TS]

  the people who do are just sort of a [TS]

  dilla tense you know that they're yeah [TS]

  you know they're trying to it's like [TS]

  being a hipster you know like [TS]

  being a hipster you know like [TS]

  you know what federico and Ben have done [TS]

  some amazing things workflow wise [TS]

  work-wise everything on their iPads I [TS]

  use my iPad all the time actually use [TS]

  multiple iPads all the time i love the [TS]

  ipad but if I'm going to sit down and [TS]

  and do some work [TS]

  it's going to be on my Mac yeah just fit [TS]

  either either my imac or my my macbook [TS]

  pro that's what it's going to be for me [TS]

  and you bet that's what I grew up with [TS]

  you know what I what I did my business [TS]

  with the the ipad the iphone all of [TS]

  those things you know they the big word [TS]

  is the computer in your pocket that's [TS]

  absolutely true it is absolutely true [TS]

  and I'd never force myself to use an [TS]

  iPad or an iPhone to do you know like as [TS]

  soon as the new product comes up people [TS]

  say oh I'm going to use this for a month [TS]

  instead of my mac i don't do stuff like [TS]

  that [TS]

  I i use it how it fits into my workflow [TS]

  and it does it fits very good very well [TS]

  into my workflow so I have things that I [TS]

  can do with it but the mac for me is [TS]

  still I mean I when I record and and [TS]

  write music you know that's on the the [TS]

  27-inch imac that's a powerful machine [TS]

  and you know when the mac pro the [TS]

  macbook pro came out I had I had a logic [TS]

  project logic is a you know that's a [TS]

  professional level a audio workstation I [TS]

  had 48 tracks running simultaneously [TS]

  audio MIDI recording and i was editing I [TS]

  mean this is all live and the macbook [TS]

  pro had no issue at all with that it [TS]

  just won't break through so they're all [TS]

  powerful computers these days are we at [TS]

  the stage where we actually don't need a [TS]

  mac pro either the other kids are the [TS]

  other computer powerful enough for [TS]

  everything that we need to do i do think [TS]

  that that's that's a legitimate question [TS]

  I wish that apple would keep making my [TS]

  pros and you know putting the fastest [TS]

  intel processors they can possibly get [TS]

  figuring out a very clever engineered [TS]

  way to either reduce the need for a fan [TS]

  or to make the fan as utterly silent as [TS]

  possible because it's just one of those [TS]

  things that Apple cares about that I [TS]

  feel like if you know you had to use [TS]

  some other company's computers it's like [TS]

  they make more noise it's like you know [TS]

  having a nice quiet computer is is [TS]

  important to me and I think it's [TS]

  important to a lot of pros and I think [TS]

  that's what it's just you know it's why [TS]

  people are Mac users people are Mac [TS]

  users because they care about the [TS]

  details and and like a computer that [TS]

  makes noise makes makes them angry [TS]

  whereas people who don't really care [TS]

  about the details are like oh yeah but [TS]

  makes a noise like a hairdryer who cares [TS]

  i don't care i put headphones on you [TS]

  know and it's like no its you just spend [TS]

  a lot of money on this computer should [TS]

  be silent [TS]

  I'm so i hope they do but given the [TS]

  evidence that they haven't updated it in [TS]

  three years [TS]

  I you know it's a legitimate fear that [TS]

  their the messages know the max not dead [TS]

  we love the Mac the Mac has a bright [TS]

  future but the max future is imax and [TS]

  macbooks what do you make of I what Tim [TS]

  cooked in after whoever it was Bloomberg [TS]

  i think they wrote the story about you [TS]

  know that the mac is basically gone and [TS]

  Tim came out in a Q&A and company might [TS]

  hurt ya internally and knowing that it [TS]

  was going to leak right of course [TS]

  yeah they know they know all well I [TS]

  guess what did he said we would do [TS]

  anything to be they had great max in the [TS]

  the pipeline right [TS]

  I you know how he didn't specify but i [TS]

  think he said great desktops in the [TS]

  pipeline [TS]

  I i think he said that which is you know [TS]

  it could just mean imax it could I mean [TS]

  people are still pining for Matt new mac [TS]

  minis I think that's over I kinda do too [TS]

  which is a shame but it's it's nowhere [TS]

  near its it's clearly the least [TS]

  essential product that Apple make [TS]

  and I know that that's painful for the [TS]

  people because that's the one thing [TS]

  about it is that yes i think most people [TS]

  who buy a mac mini are just typical mac [TS]

  users who are on a budget and or you [TS]

  know maybe they already have a display [TS]

  that they don't want to replace and so [TS]

  that you know why but why spend all the [TS]

  money on an imac with its you know [TS]

  gorgeous and in my opinion the best it [TS]

  still didn't see over a year since been [TS]

  updated but i think it's the best [TS]

  display on the market period hands down [TS]

  it's a unbelievable display mine i have [TS]

  the one from the year before that [TS]

  doesn't have the high color gamut and I [TS]

  still think it's it's an amazing amazing [TS]

  display i love it [TS]

  I'm looking at it right now I had to [TS]

  adapt you know but I realized that there [TS]

  are also and I'm sure that they're [TS]

  listening to the show I'm shirt i hear [TS]

  from them all the time i get email from [TS]

  that there are power users who use the [TS]

  mac mini in various ways you know either [TS]

  you maybe it is our main computer but [TS]

  they you know they have very spendable [TS]

  reasons why they want a mac mini and [TS]

  then there's also the enthusiasts who [TS]

  use mac minis as little you know like to [TS]

  make their own home entertainment system [TS]

  you know instead of getting an apple TV [TS]

  they use the mac mini and they can run [TS]

  all sorts of stuff and you know yet play [TS]

  movies that have fallen off the Boston [TS]

  and you know back of the truck and yeah [TS]

  and over them [TS]

  I it's a shame because i think you know [TS]

  making a hackintosh to you know type [TS]

  thing to do that is never going to be as [TS]

  nice especially because the mac mini [TS]

  just want like this small silent [TS]

  computer but I kind of feel like Apple [TS]

  just it there's no there's no reason for [TS]

  Apple to really care too much about that [TS]

  I'd love to see it updated like just [TS]

  that even just like a small speed bump [TS]

  but I don't know [TS]

  here's what Tim said some folks in the [TS]

  media raise the questionable whether [TS]

  we're committed to desktops if there's [TS]

  any dote about that with our team's let [TS]

  me be very clear we have great desktops [TS]

  in our roadmap nobody should worry about [TS]

  that right [TS]

  I hear something about that now I've [TS]

  seen people that it skepticism is a good [TS]

  thing right [TS]

  it i encourage it I'd and I think [TS]

  everybody should be skeptical about [TS]

  anything that somebody who works at a [TS]

  company can say including this [TS]

  yeah right and of course Tim Cook it's [TS]

  in his interest to say good things about [TS]

  Apple so of course you know don't don't [TS]

  just assume that it's true but I don't [TS]

  think one of the things about what he [TS]

  said is it again it doesn't about the [TS]

  mac pro so it could mean that the future [TS]

  of the desktop mac is imax you know and [TS]

  I could see them going that route and [TS]

  saying hey and at the high end we've got [TS]

  this imac you know that called I mac pro [TS]

  you know maybe it's all black instead of [TS]

  silver and the imac Pro comes with you [TS]

  know faster set of of Intel chips then [TS]

  you can get previously and a pro [TS]

  professional GPU that that's possible [TS]

  and how you know did in the current form [TS]

  factor if there could be cooled [TS]

  sufficiently I don't know but that's up [TS]

  to you know Apple comes up with clever [TS]

  ways to cool things so I don't know [TS]

  right i could see that being the story [TS]

  for Pro users and I know that would be [TS]

  frustrating for people who don't want a [TS]

  built-in display they just want you know [TS]

  standalone displays etc etc but I could [TS]

  see that being the story but there's no [TS]

  way the thing about Tim Cook statement [TS]

  is that there's a his credibility to his [TS]

  own employees matters and if it's false [TS]

  write it you know like I've see I saw [TS]

  people on Twitter when I came and [TS]

  reactive cooks bullshit of course you'd [TS]

  say that if there are no desktops coming [TS]

  it it's not like people who worked at [TS]

  Apple are going to forget that Tim Cook [TS]

  said you have no you know literally said [TS]

  you have no reason to worry about that [TS]

  yeah it desirability goes right down the [TS]

  toilet right that like that in a minute [TS]

  that's a kind of mark against his [TS]

  credibility how to happen to you [TS]

  how do you reconcile that with the fact [TS]

  that Steve would say things all the time [TS]

  and then turn around and do the opposite [TS]

  you know we're not going to have a [TS]

  smaller ipad ah you're really ipad mini [TS]

  because this did well but this was the [TS]

  air it was it when Steve would say [TS]

  things that into a year later turn [TS]

  around and say the opposite and then it [TS]

  was never like you [TS]

  it was never a thing where you feel like [TS]

  you were burned [TS]

  yeah okay so here's what here's a good [TS]

  example right that they come out with [TS]

  the they call it the ipod photos right [TS]

  wasn't that the name of the product it [TS]

  was the first ipod with a color [TS]

  display right could sync it to your [TS]

  iPhotos and you get your photos on there [TS]

  and then that people immediately after [TS]

  the project was announced they'd say [TS]

  well now that you have a color screen [TS]

  why doesn't play video and Steve Jobs [TS]

  said nobody wants to watch video on a [TS]

  little too inch screen now why would [TS]

  they want to look at the photos on [TS]

  Tatooine scream but not like this video [TS]

  I don't know but that's what he said [TS]

  nobody wants to watch video on a two [TS]

  inch screen and then a year later they [TS]

  came out with the ipod with the same [TS]

  size screen and now playing videos but [TS]

  people people aren't mad because now [TS]

  they have they have if if what you [TS]

  wanted was an ipod that plays videos the [TS]

  fact that a year later he told a totally [TS]

  different story didn't make you mad [TS]

  it made you happy because now you can [TS]

  buy it ipod to play videos [TS]

  yeah the difference would be if steve [TS]

  jobs and today said before it came out [TS]

  people are asking for an ipod that plays [TS]

  videos we let me assure you we are [TS]

  working on it and it's going to be [TS]

  awesome and it's coming it's in the [TS]

  pipeline so don't worry about it it's [TS]

  going to be great you're going to be [TS]

  able to watch video right in your pocket [TS]

  from your pocket and then it never [TS]

  shipped well then that would make people [TS]

  angry right that's what the case would [TS]

  be with the new desktops with with Tim [TS]

  Cook and his credibility it [TS]

  he's it again it's not like he does [TS]

  isn't capable of spin but when he does [TS]

  it's not it's very very carefully worded [TS]

  and and it's not bullshit its might be [TS]

  it's definitely spend it sometimes but [TS]

  it's not bullshit [TS]

  well to be to be clear I trusted I i [TS]

  don't believe that Tim Wood commode and [TS]

  say what he said if it wasn't true [TS]

  right I agree iii-it's and even even if [TS]

  it's not that you trust him personally [TS]

  and I I do i do but even if you just [TS]

  want to take your own personal opinions [TS]

  of them out [TS]

  it just makes no sense for him to to say [TS]

  what he said if it wasn't true [TS]

  no he can just do what they do most of [TS]

  the time and just let it roll right you [TS]

  know [TS]

  so here's an example where I think Tim [TS]

  Cook spins and says things something [TS]

  that i don't quite think is true is I [TS]

  think that his [TS]

  his to dance on privacy and where Apple [TS]

  stands competitively with Google in [TS]

  particular but other companies like [TS]

  Facebook is to me a little self-serving [TS]

  and so far as that he his he'll say that [TS]

  other companies collect your personal [TS]

  data so that they can sell it it's not [TS]

  really what Google does they don't [TS]

  really sell your personal data it's not [TS]

  what he says isn't really untrue it's [TS]

  not false it's not a blatant lie but i [TS]

  think it's a very euphemistic spin on [TS]

  the state of affairs to cover up for [TS]

  apples the state of apples a [TS]

  personalization in certain areas [TS]

  well yeah I mean it i'm just saying just [TS]

  I didn't decide your and I just think [TS]

  that what he says about brian i do think [TS]

  Apple cares about your privacy right [TS]

  it's it's it's it's it's largely true i [TS]

  think apple does care about your privacy [TS]

  i think google cares about your privacy [TS]

  too and so far is it's very important [TS]

  that Google's users and people who are [TS]

  the most embedded in their ecosystem [TS]

  trust the company with their information [TS]

  right it is in Google's very highest [TS]

  interest to keep the information they [TS]

  collect about you safe but they I I [TS]

  think that's part of it though that [TS]

  Google collect so much information and [TS]

  Apple really collects none they [TS]

  anonymize you know almost everything so [TS]

  they don't want your information they [TS]

  won and and you know the old thing if [TS]

  you didn't buy the product you are the [TS]

  product my so well they're dead again no [TS]

  that's I believe that I've used that I [TS]

  you know you can find both bunch of [TS]

  posts on during fireball where i've i've [TS]

  used that but I do think that it [TS]

  sometimes when Tim Cook throws it out [TS]

  there its spin and it's not again not [TS]

  false it's not bullshit but it is a [TS]

  decidedly and carefully worded way of [TS]

  saying things in Apple's favor that [TS]

  maybe isn't really the most objective [TS]

  way of saying period i don't see that at [TS]

  all with his comments on the desktop [TS]

  right like to write that the only reason [TS]

  I'm going down this whole path on [TS]

  cooking privacy is [TS]

  and I think that you know is spin and [TS]

  with the desktop there's no spin it it [TS]

  he looks like a fool if it's not true oh [TS]

  yeah absolutely i I don't see that at [TS]

  all I mean they saw this Bloomberg story [TS]

  I'm and knew that they had to respond in [TS]

  some way or they wanted to respond in [TS]

  some way so i think it was very strong [TS]

  response [TS]

  yeah I also and i keep reiterating this [TS]

  i think that the software schedule that [TS]

  mac OS is on is is proof the other way [TS]

  that Apple is as in you know it very [TS]

  very heavily invested in the mac and [TS]

  cares about it because it it its annual [TS]

  it's like clockwork now just like iOS [TS]

  that there's going to be a significant [TS]

  feature update to mac OS ah [TS]

  every year and it didn't used to be that [TS]

  way you know there were there it was [TS]

  like the early years of mac OS they were [TS]

  very frequent updates you know ten one [TS]

  came out like six months after ten point [TS]

  because 10-point was effectively a [TS]

  public beta is something that they were [TS]

  just sick of calling it a beta [TS]

  yeah and tend to int n3 and even 10-4 [TS]

  came out really quickly because there [TS]

  were so many problems back then it was [TS]

  jen just so slow it was the interface or [TS]

  slow it was so they were doing so much [TS]

  compared to what the hardware was [TS]

  capable of that they really had to work [TS]

  very hard to get it to I think 10-4 was [TS]

  the first version that was called tiger [TS]

  that was sort of like yeah this is [TS]

  actually pretty good and then it slowed [TS]

  down right and especially when the [TS]

  iphone first came out and they even one [TS]

  time even had to issue a press release [TS]

  said hey we were gonna release you know [TS]

  Mac os10 point whatever it was at WWDC [TS]

  in june two thousand seven but we've had [TS]

  to pull so many engineers to work on the [TS]

  first I release of iphones OS that it's [TS]

  going to be delayed till october and [TS]

  yeah and then he remember in the the [TS]

  years following that it was a crapshoot [TS]

  about what Apple was going to do it at [TS]

  WCC was it going to be a mac show or an [TS]

  iOS show I'm and then finally you know [TS]

  and [TS]

  a few years ago they don't know if they [TS]

  have enough resources or you know it's [TS]

  it's running parallel but now it's both [TS]

  you know now when you go to the WC it's [TS]

  both Mac and iOS because you know [TS]

  they're integrating and and stuff like [TS]

  that but for a while wasn't it was one [TS]

  of the other so anyway long story short [TS]

  I think that the mac OS story shows that [TS]

  Apple's committed i think that the way [TS]

  that I think the touch bar as a piece of [TS]

  hardware is a perfect example of apples [TS]

  commitment to the mac i think the fact [TS]

  that the day the touch bar shipped it [TS]

  Apple's own apps dozens and dozens of [TS]

  apps in the system had updates with very [TS]

  very you know thorough touch bar support [TS]

  clearly throughout the company people [TS]

  you know who work on those apps you know [TS]

  text edit and Mail safari messages just [TS]

  you name it that the engineers work on [TS]

  those had had spent a lot of time [TS]

  working on clever thoughtful touch bar [TS]

  support it shows that there's you know [TS]

  within Apple there's a lot of commitment [TS]

  to the mac i think the question is [TS]

  specifically the mac pro and i don't [TS]

  think that even if Apple is getting out [TS]

  of the mac pro game that I don't think [TS]

  it means that that the mac overall that [TS]

  people need to worry about it i think [TS]

  people are losing their minds on this [TS]

  yeah i agree although if they are [TS]

  getting out of the mac pro game it makes [TS]

  no sense to me that they're still [TS]

  selling these macs mac pros at the same [TS]

  price that they should the way that if [TS]

  they were getting out of the mac pro [TS]

  game the way that it would make sense to [TS]

  me would be if all right we're not going [TS]

  to update them but every nine months 12 [TS]

  months or so we'll keep lowering the [TS]

  prices until you know we decided you [TS]

  know 234 whatever that will just take [TS]

  him away [TS]

  you think they're selling any I can't [TS]

  imagine that they're so what did you see [TS]

  there is it good [TS]

  I had a link to it chris adams and just [TS]

  bought one last week I put it [TS]

  link in the show notes it's sort of a [TS]

  sad story really like where he obviously [TS]

  was waiting and waiting and waiting to [TS]

  update his old Mac Pro and he does [TS]

  a video work and I i know on ATP Marco [TS]

  Arment who who stays much more abreast [TS]

  of like Intel's chips and what did you [TS]

  know what the names that the child I [TS]

  don't even pay attention that shit [TS]

  anymore to tell you the truth because in [TS]

  july i did see in our story where they [TS]

  reviewed the new kb lake whatever from [TS]

  in town and the gist of the our summary [TS]

  was it's pretty much like the last one [TS]

  just to let just ever so slightly faster [TS]

  I mean and so it's like why even bother [TS]

  paying attention it's it's it's not that [TS]

  interesting but it the gist of it is he [TS]

  bought it i think maybe he might have [TS]

  been better off with an imac and that's [TS]

  what Marco thanks to but he didn't he [TS]

  bought the mac pro I guess because what [TS]

  he does is it requires a lot of course [TS]

  and it doesn't you know the video [TS]

  processing it does can be parallelized [TS]

  but he didn't even buy like the eighth [TS]

  or 12-core one about the six core one so [TS]

  we didn't even get the most course but [TS]

  anyway long story short spoiler he spent [TS]

  a lot of money on a new mac pro because [TS]

  he needed it anything that was the best [TS]

  thing to do and he's you know eyes wide [TS]

  open about how old this is and how much [TS]

  money it costs and then he sold all of [TS]

  his apple stock but apparently had a [TS]

  very very you know significant [TS]

  investment and apple stock and sold it [TS]

  because he's so not like Angry not like [TS]

  I'm you know like he thinks he's [TS]

  sticking it to apple by selling stock [TS]

  and obviously doesn't hurt apple if you [TS]

  want individual cells apple stock as [TS]

  somebody else bought it it more though [TS]

  that he can I think his argument was i [TS]

  bought it way back when and apparently [TS]

  bought it you know in the dark days when [TS]

  you could really get a you know the [TS]

  stock was way down compared to where it [TS]

  is now bought it because he believed in [TS]

  the company and thought that the market [TS]

  was undervaluing apple and I think you [TS]

  know easy to say yeah he was right and [TS]

  anybody else who did buy stock you know [TS]

  like in the late nineties early two [TS]

  thousands thinking hey this company has [TS]

  a bright future and I don't think the [TS]

  market sees that you're right and that [TS]

  he just doesn't see it anymore because [TS]

  he doesn't he doesn't get apple anymore [TS]

  and I definitely did just you know on [TS]

  Twitter there's an awful lot of people [TS]

  and I think that they're drawing the [TS]

  connection that [TS]

  the people who are most disappointed [TS]

  apple today are the longest term all [TS]

  this user's the whites who got into it [TS]

  company in the nineties or even the [TS]

  eighties I think that I water that comes [TS]

  down to loyalty we have loyalty to a [TS]

  apple because we believe that they make [TS]

  great products [TS]

  I mean I'm not blind to apples failings [TS]

  and I'll bring them up you know all day [TS]

  long but i'm not going to make up bad [TS]

  things either you know Apple music I [TS]

  think needs a lot of work i know that [TS]

  there that I know that they're working [TS]

  on it and I praise them when they do [TS]

  good things but I also hit them when [TS]

  they do bad things on and it's the same [TS]

  with with all of their products and III [TS]

  as long as you're fair i think that's [TS]

  that's a good thing but the difference [TS]

  with the new Apple customers is that in [TS]

  in my mind there general consumers so if [TS]

  something new and cool comes out [TS]

  don't go by that whether it's apple or [TS]

  whatever are so good [TS]

  there's not that level of loyalty before [TS]

  we remove off the topic of macros i do i [TS]

  want to circle back to that thing i have [TS]

  x touchdown with xcode where that's the [TS]

  you know you don't don't rest your hat [TS]

  on xcode because there's all sorts of [TS]

  professional things that are better on [TS]

  the mac then then iOS right and i think [TS]

  that you will sooner rather than later [TS]

  be able to develop apps on an ipad i [TS]

  mean i think that the Swift playgrounds [TS]

  is just the first step [TS]

  I don't mind saying is coming this year [TS]

  but i think that when whether they'll [TS]

  call it X code or not when it comes out [TS]

  for ipad i don't know because I think I [TS]

  i don't think it would be xcode as we [TS]

  know it is inextricably tied to the mac [TS]

  you I paradise [TS]

  it's it's got all sorts of little tiny [TS]

  things that you know don't correlate to [TS]

  touch or iOS so I think maybe the way [TS]

  that you develop apps would be very [TS]

  different from are significantly [TS]

  different from the way you do it now [TS]

  so whether they call an Xcode or not but [TS]

  i think that the ability to develop apps [TS]

  on an ipad is inevitable and it doesn't [TS]

  add the fear I have is that they'll [TS]

  announce this [TS]

  ok we have this great new Xcode for ipad [TS]

  and look it's so much easier to make it [TS]

  easier than ever to make an appt blah [TS]

  blah and then people are gonna go that's [TS]

  it that mac is doomed because right now [TS]

  there's xcode on ipad and I I that's the [TS]

  wrong way to look at it it's just that [TS]

  there's so many professional things [TS]

  whether it's like high-end the highest [TS]

  and 4k video editing and or pro [TS]

  photographers who go on a shoot and [TS]

  shoot 1500 or 2000 photos and need to [TS]

  sort through them and find the pics all [TS]

  sorts of advanced things like that are [TS]

  so much better or can be so much better [TS]

  on a mac and there's been don't and the [TS]

  other thing too is don't forget that [TS]

  Apple itself is a company full of [TS]

  creative people not just developers it's [TS]

  not just apples engineers who use xcode [TS]

  who need max but Apple is a company full [TS]

  of people who use photoshop and indesign [TS]

  and you know provided just produce all [TS]

  their marketing materials and stuff so [TS]

  they're fully well aware of how creative [TS]

  professionals rely on the Mac you you [TS]

  have to at that point [TS]

  look at aperture gone [TS]

  yeah you know a final cut pro but had [TS]

  not gone but well I think there's a lot [TS]

  of vested in that I I it is you know a [TS]

  lot of people say it's not as pro is [TS]

  what it once was [TS]

  I'm you know logic is still here but you [TS]

  don't often hear from them anymore [TS]

  yeah it's curious apertures definitely a [TS]

  curious curious [TS]

  yeah you know why and I know that you [TS]

  know lightroom exist and i personally [TS]

  preferred lightroom but that was because [TS]

  way back in the day like when they were [TS]

  both one point I was like room was fast [TS]

  and aperture was slow [TS]

  and I know that they fix that with [TS]

  aperture and aperture eventually got [TS]

  fast to and I definitely hear i see it [TS]

  you know i get so much email and you [TS]

  know I i have it so it's great i've [TS]

  really welcome it helps me kind of keep [TS]

  my pipe my finger on the pulse of the [TS]

  people who listen to the show and read [TS]

  my site I know that there are a lot of [TS]

  serious either photo pros or serious [TS]

  photo [TS]

  what do prosumers you know maybe that's [TS]

  not their profession but they they have [TS]

  serious professional cameras and they [TS]

  take it very seriously who was there are [TS]

  still furious about the decision to take [TS]

  to walk away from a pitcher because the [TS]

  NN fully informed and have tried their [TS]

  best to like lightroom don't like [TS]

  lightroom and we like the aperture way [TS]

  that it was you know you know and I do [TS]

  see I like lightroom but I definitely [TS]

  could see how a pitcher was a more apple [TS]

  ii program it just had you know because [TS]

  i was Apple but it just had like a [TS]

  certain apple in a polina sandy mackness [TS]

  to it with with some of these things [TS]

  that have happened over the past number [TS]

  of years it's easy to see how people are [TS]

  they have the the thought or can be [TS]

  easily convinced that Apple is getting [TS]

  out of the the pro-market all markets [TS]

  whether it's computers or you know [TS]

  software anything else because once [TS]

  you've been hit by this i mean if you're [TS]

  a photographer and aperture is dead and [TS]

  you know you're thinking wait a minute [TS]

  it's been a thousand days now since the [TS]

  mac pro has been updated and it's it's [TS]

  easy to two lead yourself down that that [TS]

  path that ok apples out of the [TS]

  pro-market right helping the most [TS]

  important thing is always been not for [TS]

  Apple to make the pro apps that you use [TS]

  but to make the system more pro apps can [TS]

  really fly and have all of the api's and [TS]

  capabilities and the performance that [TS]

  pro apps need whether they're made by [TS]

  adobe or other companies you know [TS]

  independent companies like Pixelmator [TS]

  and stuff like that [TS]

  yeah I don't let me take a break and [TS]

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  it's funny the the two sponsors that [TS]

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  already use yeah we use Harry's for you [TS]

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  now you know anyway what do you think [TS]

  that's just this flash forward over here [TS]

  we are talking first week in january i [TS]

  do you think that the apples going to [TS]

  have a march event [TS]

  they've had March events now for a [TS]

  couple years well the merger there would [TS]

  be one to watch or iPad don't think [TS]

  watch I think it would be ipad and maybe [TS]

  like imac or wouldn't need if they [TS]

  surprised us and mac pro that would be [TS]

  neat i think the ipads or do because [TS]

  they did the original iPad pro the big [TS]

  12 point nine inch one in September last [TS]

  year 2 2015 so you had spread that [TS]

  product is now over a year old and then [TS]

  the the mini-map ipad pro and I say Mac [TS]

  Pro I met ipad pro yeah the 12-point [TS]

  ipad pro the 9.7 inch iPad pro is was [TS]

  released like five months later in march [TS]

  of last year so that will be a year old [TS]

  march and I think both of those products [TS]

  you know it did you know would be easy [TS]

  easy upgrades with the a-10 [TS]

  system-on-a-chip from the iphone 7 [TS]

  yeah I i guess if there are they seem to [TS]

  be all over the place with the really [TS]

  schedule of of these things but it makes [TS]

  sense that they would have something [TS]

  around merge but I i think it it'll have [TS]

  a lot to do with what they have on tap [TS]

  furred and DC because it would make more [TS]

  sense to release [TS]

  I max at WCC but if they don't have any [TS]

  max maybe they'll realize I bands [TS]

  instead [TS]

  yeah I don't know that they care about [TS]

  holding hardware for WWDC they have [TS]

  state because you know they it's always [TS]

  there's always plenty of software to [TS]

  talk about right there but they're not [TS]

  going to have they always like that [TS]

  something and they're not going to have [TS]

  an event for a mac mini yeah I don't [TS]

  think so but if they could break to do a [TS]

  combination with the ipad and make it [TS]

  all about work you know because I [TS]

  Glasgow is for work and Max for work I [TS]

  I'm March the time frame makes perfect [TS]

  sense to me [TS]

  if not then DC know because the other [TS]

  thing too that the big ipad pro is that [TS]

  you know lacking the two-tone display [TS]

  right yeah there's a couple of things [TS]

  you know it's it even if they you know [TS]

  who knows maybe they'll come up with a [TS]

  lot of surprising new things to announce [TS]

  but even just the obvious things it [TS]

  seems like it's due for an update [TS]

  I i love true tone I wish to tom was on [TS]

  my phone I that's the one thing I've [TS]

  said this before I add and chill or even [TS]

  said when he announced it last year that [TS]

  once you get used to it you can't go [TS]

  back and it made me think it was coming [TS]

  to the phone because I didn't think she [TS]

  would say that if he didn't know it [TS]

  wasn't coming to the phone and it didn't [TS]

  come to the phone and it really it's the [TS]

  one thing that annoys me about using my [TS]

  iPad is have the 9.7 inch pro and it [TS]

  annoys me because then it's after i've [TS]

  liked read email on it and used it for [TS]

  you know like 45 minutes and go and look [TS]

  at my phone and if it's like nighttime [TS]

  it looks terrible [TS]

  yeah yeah I i want to tone on everything [TS]

  it looks digs it makes your phone look [TS]

  terrible [TS]

  yeah it's just so good because you don't [TS]

  make it you just don't notice you don't [TS]

  know it's it's a totally it it plays [TS]

  with your head it's like yeah you [TS]

  realize there's I know that they're [TS]

  shifting the colors and I'm so sensitive [TS]

  to that like every time I see somebody [TS]

  who uses night mode on their phone or [TS]

  whatever it's called the thing that [TS]

  makes your phone yellow I can't believe [TS]

  it i believe the P I know there's lots [TS]

  of people who love that feature but it [TS]

  it sickens me because it just looks like [TS]

  the phone is you know covered in urine [TS]

  or something well it's supposed to put [TS]

  you to sleep or somewhere [TS]

  Eric or making not so awake so I know [TS]

  so anyway I'd I think they'll be a march [TS]

  event but there's no rumors to such as [TS]

  such knows and I don't know if that's [TS]

  sort of in some ways I i really do think [TS]

  that if you take a step back and look I [TS]

  do think that you remember couple years [TS]

  ago and Tim Cook said they're doubling [TS]

  down on secrecy [TS]

  yeah i think in some ways they have I [TS]

  think that in some ways apple has gotten [TS]

  better at keeping some things secret and [TS]

  that the only place where leaks come out [TS]

  of any more as the supply chain and [TS]

  that's sort of outside apples control [TS]

  yeah but then look at some of the [TS]

  stories that government does and those [TS]

  are coming out of the supply chains you [TS]

  know if that mac one [TS]

  yeah but that I i have to have to [TS]

  publish my van in the works okay i think [TS]

  i even told Renee about it and that we [TS]

  remain I talk back in 2016 my last [TS]

  episode I'm got a response to that and I [TS]

  it's just taking a long time because [TS]

  it's a I don't know why but because i [TS]

  want to be careful but I i really think [TS]

  that the more you look at that story [TS]

  from German the less there is to it [TS]

  other than the things that we know which [TS]

  are the obvious that the imac didn't get [TS]

  updated in 2016 the mac pro hasn't been [TS]

  updated in three years the mac mini has [TS]

  been updated in three years and the [TS]

  macbook pros were long in the tooth when [TS]

  they were just updated but I also [TS]

  actually think the more you look at [TS]

  there's nothing in this store there's [TS]

  nothing else in his story there's [TS]

  nothing factual like and he says some [TS]

  things that are ridiculous like is the [TS]

  story about how they had two versions of [TS]

  i forget which product but there were [TS]

  two versions and development [TS]

  I think of the the original the macbook [TS]

  that then super-thin macbook two [TS]

  versions in development and then they [TS]

  decided to go with this one and it [TS]

  somehow presented as as like a sign of [TS]

  indecision executive indecision at apple [TS]

  and a lack of leadership on the mac that [TS]

  they did two designs and then choose one [TS]

  that that's not that's how appleworks I [TS]

  I honestly that it's like I i I've never [TS]

  heard of a product an apple that didn't [TS]

  have multiple versions in fact the fact [TS]

  that there were only two is the most [TS]

  surprising part of it usually they do [TS]

  more and on the other side they do like [TS]

  like everything every new product Apple [TS]

  usually has like ten mock-ups of how the [TS]

  interface should look and read designers [TS]

  are it's not like do one that's the real [TS]

  one and as busywork make nine you know [TS]

  it's inconsequential changes knowing [TS]

  that you go to the meeting and they're [TS]

  going to pick the 1i like if you show up [TS]

  like that you're on your way to get [TS]

  fired at Apple like you are attracted to [TS]

  have 10 mock-ups all of them might be [TS]

  the one that is alright choose number [TS]

  eight but give us 10 more based on [TS]

  number eight for next week go [TS]

  that's how appleworks they do of course [TS]

  they have a plan B hardware you know and [TS]

  with the macbook according to garmin [TS]

  story they went with the one that was [TS]

  the more radical design it's it's a sign [TS]

  that Apple is you know [TS]

  pedal-to-the-metal on being aggressive [TS]

  about what they can do engineering-wise [TS]

  with the mac as opposed to being lazy [TS]

  no they're not they're not afraid to you [TS]

  know to go off on a you know left field [TS]

  somewhere right with any of their [TS]

  product and and another point that [TS]

  government had in his story on Bloomberg [TS]

  was something to the effect of that [TS]

  there was something with the batteries [TS]

  in the new mac pros that they were going [TS]

  to go with a guy I'd this is an [TS]

  interesting thing if it's if it's true [TS]

  because the corner government they were [TS]

  going to they tried to have like a bunch [TS]

  of smaller batteries that fill up more [TS]

  of the space in the device and failed [TS]

  some kind of test so they had to go with [TS]

  a more traditional single rectangular [TS]

  battery that you know I i don't think it [TS]

  would have it it is the incremental [TS]

  improvement of having like a sort of [TS]

  stair-step battery design that feels [TS]

  more of the crevices isn't going to like [TS]

  radically double the battery life this [TS]

  is you know that's like a way to get [TS]

  like five to ten percent more battery [TS]

  life out of a device [TS]

  yeah it's interesting that if it's true [TS]

  that they that they couldn't pull that [TS]

  off for the mac book pro because that's [TS]

  the actual design that they showed [TS]

  that's what they're doing with the [TS]

  macbooks remember that the part of the [TS]

  like product video for the macbooks [TS]

  I it was like Dan reaching that you know [TS]

  was describing how they do that but [TS]

  anyway the gist of government story with [TS]

  this battery thing was that they went [TS]

  with this simpler battery that maybe you [TS]

  know III presumably procurement numbers [TS]

  but i would guess maybe gets a ten [TS]

  percent less battery life than the other [TS]

  design they went with it so that they [TS]

  could ship it now because otherwise if [TS]

  they if they had waited until they could [TS]

  pull the other design off here we would [TS]

  be in January 2017 and we still wouldn't [TS]

  have new macbook pros and then the whole [TS]

  discussion that we're having about the [TS]

  languishing hardware [TS]

  we'd also be talking about that while [TS]

  the macbook pro hasn't been updated in [TS]

  three years or whatever you know what I [TS]

  mean like you can't have it both ways [TS]

  they have to ship eventually and there's [TS]

  always room for improvement and if [TS]

  there's no room for improvement then who [TS]

  cares they're right then it's fine if [TS]

  it's if there's nowhere you know if [TS]

  they've if they've developed the perfect [TS]

  macbook pro that never needs an update [TS]

  then what are we talking about right it [TS]

  didn't you know [TS]

  so anyway I don't get it I don't either [TS]

  but outside i lost my train of thought [TS]

  where we goin 2017 what's happening with [TS]

  the rumors that we were talking about [TS]

  the tim cook and doubling down on [TS]

  secrecy and if they have a marquee event [TS]

  coming nobody knows because they've kept [TS]

  their mouths shut up i don't know and it [TS]

  could it could be i don't know maybe [TS]

  there's rumors of updated iPads that I [TS]

  just haven't seen but I haven't seen him [TS]

  I didn't see me but I think they're do [TS]

  and would be a good time to release new [TS]

  imacs I think I we yeah we kind of set [TS]

  the the expectations and only when we [TS]

  say well it's been a year [TS]

  it's time we need to update now [TS]

  maybe they don't ya I think they do [TS]

  eventually I'd you know right i think [TS]

  the ipad is still it there's too much to [TS]

  be gained the a-10 is just so much [TS]

  better than a 989 is great and the [TS]

  current ipad pros are great but it's [TS]

  like one of the most amazing stories in [TS]

  technology the last few years is that [TS]

  the a series processors that Apple's [TS]

  tractor now it's it's like a return to [TS]

  you know the early years of the pc [TS]

  industry where every year you're getting [TS]

  these incredible Moore's law like I mean [TS]

  did they keep showing the graphs at the [TS]

  iphone events of the cpu and GPU [TS]

  performance year-over-year and it's it's [TS]

  like a hockey stick curve you know it's [TS]

  it's getting more and more amazing [TS]

  whereas you would think it would be more [TS]

  incremental because that's what it's [TS]

  like on the desktop size right now you [TS]

  know that the new macbook pros [TS]

  performance-wise they're not nobody's [TS]

  bragging about how much faster the new [TS]

  macbook pros are than the previous ones [TS]

  because being faster is no longer really [TS]

  that's not really where pcs are [TS]

  improving [TS]

  yeah but they could get they could they [TS]

  could do that for sure with the ipad [TS]

  just by going from the a92 the a-10 and [TS]

  how important is speed on an ipad pro in [TS]

  comparison to say usability I mean [TS]

  they're you're talking more the UI and [TS]

  UX well close to the actual speed of the [TS]

  device itself [TS]

  I don't know you could say the same [TS]

  thing about the phone too though right [TS]

  I don't know i think that it is [TS]

  important i don't think just in terms of [TS]

  in some ways I think just in terms of it [TS]

  improves battery life right like that [TS]

  the faster that CPU can be done doing [TS]

  anything less the cpu is using a battery [TS]

  I think it's a big part of it i guess [TS]

  there are rumors i did see rumors a to [TS]

  remember this is before you know just to [TS]

  show that i'm not totally out of touch [TS]

  of ipad rumors that there's rumors from [TS]

  the supply chain that there's going to [TS]

  be a third ipad sighs have you seen that [TS]

  no [TS]

  it's it's like in-between 9.7 it's like [TS]

  an 11 inch ipad i don't i wouldn't make [TS]

  any sense to me then frankly it seems [TS]

  weird i don't see why it doesn't make [TS]

  any sense to me that that they would [TS]

  make an ipad in between those two sizes [TS]

  but if we shall I don't get that I think [TS]

  if it's true it would probably be [TS]

  something to the effect of that the nine [TS]

  you know that the older screen sizes are [TS]

  being moved down the product line to the [TS]

  mid-range and that the new size is the [TS]

  new like top-of-the-line ipad here i'll [TS]

  send you a link is indian regular apple [TS]

  planning thicker bezel free 10.9 and [TS]

  ipad pro with 9.7 inch footprint and no [TS]

  home button so in other words the idea [TS]

  would be it would be like a physically [TS]

  the device would be the size of the [TS]

  current 9.7 inch iPad pro but the [TS]

  display would be bigger because they're [TS]

  going to get rid of the the bezels [TS]

  surrounding it [TS]

  huh let me take a break since this is [TS]

  seems like a break in the action here [TS]

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  agreed we see what else i have here in [TS]

  my notes about the Apple New York Times [TS]

  in China news came out two days ago that [TS]

  Apple has pulled the New York Times apps [TS]

  from the app store in mainland in the [TS]

  people's republic of china and i wrote [TS]

  about it and I got you know I got a [TS]

  whole bunch of shit but well I my take [TS]

  is that their headline is Apple removes [TS]

  your x a piece from its store in China [TS]

  to the New York Times said I think a [TS]

  more accurate headline would be [TS]

  something along China compels Apple to [TS]

  remove New York Times apps from its [TS]

  store in China because it doesn't sound [TS]

  to me like Apple had any choice [TS]

  I mean other than to actually get enough [TS]

  a pissing match with the people's [TS]

  republic of china which would surely [TS]

  result in them pulling the plug on the [TS]

  app store right i mean every guy i don't [TS]

  understand the people who think you have [TS]

  a choice i mean this is the problem with [TS]

  the authoritarian regimes it in a place [TS]

  like China where they have no freedom of [TS]

  the press or anything like that it's not [TS]

  like here it's not like you know like [TS]

  what Apple is willing to fight the FBI [TS]

  on unlocking an iphone why it's [TS]

  different right you you can fight the [TS]

  FBI here because it's a free country and [TS]

  you can go to court and and and argue [TS]

  with the FBI in court there's and you [TS]

  can't go to court with the people's [TS]

  republic of china and fight to keep the [TS]

  new york times app in the store when [TS]

  China comes to you and says you've got [TS]

  to take this out of the story you've got [TS]

  to take it out of the store yet started [TS]

  so I don't understand what people it [TS]

  want Apple to do other than pull out of [TS]

  china which it i don't think you know a [TS]

  business you know if you want to be a [TS]

  little bird it it certainly wouldn't [TS]

  make any business sense to do it but if [TS]

  you think that in a moral regard apple [TS]

  should simply stop doing business in [TS]

  China I mean that's a reasonable take [TS]

  and I can listen to the art [TS]

  but it's it's tim cook's not going to do [TS]

  it I don't understand what you what the [TS]

  argument is that Apple could still have [TS]

  an app store in China and sell their [TS]

  products in China and not comply with [TS]

  the Chinese government when they say [TS]

  you've got to remove the New York Times [TS]

  apps from the App Store is it is an [TS]

  unfortunate that they have that much [TS]

  control over over apple yeah you're [TS]

  right and over of over a billion people [TS]

  yeah i would be google wouldn't be with [TS]

  one of the greatest things that can [TS]

  happen in the world would be for the [TS]

  Chinese government to open up and [TS]

  support things similar to the our Bill [TS]

  of Rights and I would be great but it's [TS]

  you know that's not the way the world is [TS]

  no so Apple is in a very tough position [TS]

  they it like you said there was no [TS]

  choice right and I think Apple knows [TS]

  that it looks bad only capital is [TS]

  located ok will do whatever you want you [TS]

  no idea and they don't care it's not you [TS]

  know I think Apple cares deeply about it [TS]

  and wishes you know I that the Chinese [TS]

  government into this but the other thing [TS]

  that's interesting to me and I think [TS]

  it's sort of downplay the most of the [TS]

  stories about it is that the new york [TS]

  times website has been blocked in china [TS]

  since 2012 you know the existence of the [TS]

  New York Times apps you know obviously [TS]

  probably most people surely most people [TS]

  in China don't have iphones because [TS]

  they're so expensive and you know the [TS]

  average income in China is very low but [TS]

  it's you know it's obviously a big part [TS]

  of apple's market they're selling more [TS]

  and more of them more and more of their [TS]

  products in China every year and for the [TS]

  people who can't afford it [TS]

  the app store gave them access to the [TS]

  new york times that they couldn't get [TS]

  through the internet or through the web [TS]

  Beyonce internet but since obviously [TS]

  it's coming down through the internet [TS]

  well didn't want when all this FBI stuff [TS]

  was going on didn't apple say that China [TS]

  wanted a version of their operating [TS]

  system as well and apple said no I think [TS]

  so [TS]

  I'm when you have a fight they if they [TS]

  ask for that I mean because i think that [TS]

  in order that Apple really would if push [TS]

  came to search of would get out of China [TS]

  over the China said you have to give us [TS]

  the source code to iOS or or we won't [TS]

  allow you to sell your iphones china i [TS]

  think [TS]

  apple with that i really do think that [TS]

  apple would say all right we can't sell [TS]

  iphones in China and we'll take the hit [TS]

  on sales will take the hit on the stock [TS]

  but there's no way that they're going to [TS]

  give up the source code iOS to write [TS]

  anybody let alone at the chinese [TS]

  government so I you know Apple will make [TS]

  a stand but you know that's that would [TS]

  be a stand on their own software not a [TS]

  nap when I so [TS]

  oh yeah I they didn't have a choice that [TS]

  sucks [TS]

  it's terrible i but i feel bad for them [TS]

  but you know I feel worse for the people [TS]

  in China I mean it's that the problem is [TS]

  the Chinese government not apple right [TS]

  right now and we just got the talk show [TS]

  band [TS]

  well there you go you know you're you're [TS]

  done you've been banded Apple to some [TS]

  gun different fireball is now banned in [TS]

  china i wonder if it's bad I don't know [TS]

  I don't know I have no idea i well so [TS]

  I've got this on my list and I know [TS]

  you're you use you're still wearing your [TS]

  Apple watch right i am because you you [TS]

  know I've written extensively that you [TS]

  used the fitness features on Apple watch [TS]

  long story short have led you to you [TS]

  lost a lot of weight and your you know [TS]

  exercising a lot more regularly [TS]

  it's you know it's like right out of an [TS]

  apple commercial yeah except I don't [TS]

  think they're gonna put some looks like [TS]

  you in a precaution i don't think so i [TS]

  should because I'm I'm really pretty so [TS]

  I'm just sent me i am wearing it right [TS]

  now they sent me the nike+ Apple watch [TS]

  oh yeah i think it's I i honest to god I [TS]

  think it's the best Apple watch out [TS]

  because they they will note new Apple [TS]

  watches first came out I the review unit [TS]

  i had was this regular stainless steel [TS]

  one [TS]

  yeah i think that the aluminum one is [TS]

  better [TS]

  honest to god I really do i I've I've [TS]

  always suspected this and I really you [TS]

  know I I just like it better it feels to [TS]

  me like the digital crown spins better i [TS]

  think the taptic engine feel slightly [TS]

  better i think that the steel is harder [TS]

  for the tactics to get through the [TS]

  aluminum I don't think it's a huge [TS]

  difference but it's a subtle difference [TS]

  I think it's a guy I it's a great great [TS]

  product [TS]

  the rumor that came out last week I link [TS]

  to this was that one rumor came out [TS]

  about this [TS]

  the next Apple watch which was that the [TS]

  the company that manufacturing is saying [TS]

  that their their primary mission from [TS]

  apple is to increase significantly [TS]

  increase battery life I don't have a [TS]

  problem with battery life I well here's [TS]

  the I I don't have a few thoughts on [TS]

  that I i think the series to watch gets [TS]

  so much better battery life than the [TS]

  serious one [TS]

  it's on I I think I in my review of it i [TS]

  think i missed just how much better it [TS]

  is and I don't know if it's because [TS]

  watch OS 3.1 made it better because it [TS]

  seems like watching is 3.1 was a [TS]

  tremendous bug-fix release for what was [TS]

  already a great release watching us [TS]

  watch 3.1 OS 3.1 was a great release [TS]

  feature wise and interface wise but 3.1 [TS]

  seems to have really fixed like a lot of [TS]

  like little things like every once in [TS]

  awhile you ever have like when your [TS]

  Apple watch [TS]

  it's right there next year iphone but it [TS]

  says it doesn't see your iphone you get [TS]

  that little red you know the little red [TS]

  I don't see the iphone and then like a [TS]

  minute later it goes away and it's fine [TS]

  i never see that anymore like knowing [TS]

  the little things like that like like [TS]

  being connected to what you think it's [TS]

  connected to or or the the way that this [TS]

  the way that unlocks your imac now it [TS]

  never liked doesn't see it it's always [TS]

  there [TS]

  um i ah I don't know I just think that [TS]

  the battery life i'm getting on this is [TS]

  tremendous I i'm getting at least two [TS]

  days battery life sometimes even more [TS]

  like where i can wear the watch to sleep [TS]

  and wake up in the morning and it's [TS]

  still like after starting the day before [TS]

  a hundred percent charge it still at [TS]

  like sixty percent CII just I'm in the [TS]

  habit of i wear my watch all day long [TS]

  never taken off I when I go to bed I put [TS]

  it in the I have one of those little [TS]

  stand chargers you know from Apple where [TS]

  thing pops up from the middle and I put [TS]

  it on there as soon as i get up in the [TS]

  morning I put it on my wrist and I go so [TS]

  my habit is to just leave it charging [TS]

  all night and put it on in the day and [TS]

  it never runs out on me [TS]

  so and I use it a lot I i actually use [TS]

  the apple watch a lot so you know it's [TS]

  not that it's just sitting I I don't all [TS]

  day long [TS]

  I'm doing them the fitness stuff on it I [TS]

  I always check my my messages on it you [TS]

  know when alerts come in and things just [TS]

  to see what's going on so I I yeah I use [TS]

  it [TS]

  here's the report this is from chinese [TS]

  language economic daily news claim that [TS]

  the next iteration of the wearable [TS]

  device we've manufactured by [TS]

  taiwan-based quanta which is already the [TS]

  company that's making the first and [TS]

  second-generation watches for apple so [TS]

  it's not like they're changing and that [TS]

  sighting market watchers and knowledge [TS]

  of qantas plans [TS]

  the paper said improving battery life is [TS]

  the manufacturers quote main task but [TS]

  beside general performance improvements [TS]

  the devices other harder would not see [TS]

  much change that's the report there's [TS]

  one thing I wrote is that I i would love [TS]

  to see it and always on display [TS]

  I it bothers me i always has a long time [TS]

  watch where that that sometimes I look [TS]

  at the watch instead of seeing the time [TS]

  i see the it's just black but i will add [TS]

  somebody who's annoyed by that and still [TS]

  wears non-apple watches occasionally not [TS]

  even occasionally when I'm gonna I'd [TS]

  like my mechanical watches I i think [TS]

  that the risk detection has gotten [TS]

  better than ever [TS]

  I think that they've continued I think [TS]

  it's always been pretty good but i think [TS]

  it's gotten even better where there are [TS]

  fewer and fewer times where if i look at [TS]

  the watch the face isn't on but I'd [TS]

  still like to see an always-on display [TS]

  that would take more power and possibly [TS]

  a different display technology to [TS]

  prevent burning that was my idea for why [TS]

  they you know other than it like don't [TS]

  think about it as going between charges [TS]

  think about like what could the watch do [TS]

  with the same charge it every day or [TS]

  charge it every other day span but what [TS]

  could it do with more battery life the [TS]

  other things and I didn't even think of [TS]

  these but it's obvious people chimed in [TS]

  on twitter [TS]

  what if they added le [TS]

  t networking and or GPS well i think the [TS]

  watch is eventually going to get I don't [TS]

  know but see the thing about LTE is that [TS]

  you've gotta pay right it's like that [TS]

  way even likely that the ipad was it [TS]

  costs like 25 bucks a month to get [TS]

  what's the cheapest plan you can get [TS]

  with with a ipad yeah that while the you [TS]

  get a a rolling plan isn't it that [TS]

  doesn't that the cheapest where it's you [TS]

  know you pay five dollars but then we [TS]

  had added and stuff like that so if they [TS]

  had LT I mean obviously in terms of [TS]

  features that be great in some ways [TS]

  where you can just go out with the watch [TS]

  and you'd still get text messages and [TS]

  stuff like that [TS]

  I mean I be a tremendous feature but I [TS]

  you know I don't know if that's the top [TS]

  priority [TS]

  just because you have the same bored [TS]

  yeah I don't think that's a priority for [TS]

  me [TS]

  gps could be though because they have [TS]

  they've really I feel like one of the [TS]

  things that they really figured out in [TS]

  between the original and this the the [TS]

  series to hardware and watch us three is [TS]

  that the fitness stuff is it was always [TS]

  one of the tentpole features but i think [TS]

  that they've really figured out that [TS]

  this is why people buy the watches right [TS]

  yeah people want notifications and [TS]

  people want fitness tracking and the [TS]

  fitness tracking GPS is a huge reason [TS]

  that's a huge huge reason why people [TS]

  it's probably the only reason why people [TS]

  would still buy like stuff from garmin [TS]

  right i mean if it's not for gps I don't [TS]

  know why you would buy that [TS]

  so in terms of just the competitive [TS]

  landscape what are the reason somebody [TS]

  would buy something other than if [TS]

  they're going to put something on the [TS]

  wrist for fitness right just gonna get a [TS]

  gadget it's gonna go on my wrist it's [TS]

  gonna help me track my fitness what are [TS]

  the reasons you would not viewed by [TS]

  something other than Applewhite's gps is [TS]

  one of them [TS]

  hmm but on the other hand you know you [TS]

  look at the ones with garmin other gps [TS]

  that are the bigs they're very yeah yeah [TS]

  but i don't i don't know how important [TS]

  that is to me though it may not be [TS]

  important to you i don't think it would [TS]

  be important to me at all because I [TS]

  don't go anywhere and I do job but I jog [TS]

  the same path every day so I don't need [TS]

  to see I don't need you know I don't [TS]

  need to see a map of where i go like [TS]

  it's aight i'm boring i just know [TS]

  exactly the path that i take i can tell [TS]

  you exactly you know you can look at my [TS]

  watch and see the runs and i can tell [TS]

  you exactly where I went because I just [TS]

  take the same path I but for some people [TS]

  it's huge [TS]

  I know some of you know some friends who [TS]

  are serious about their bicycling and [TS]

  gps is fundamental to their their [TS]

  workouts you know that they go they want [TS]

  to know exactly the trail they took on a [TS]

  UH on a bike ride [TS]

  well the apple watch the series 2 does [TS]

  have gps tracking in it not on its own [TS]

  right does it [TS]

  yeah on its own it does yeah and I don't [TS]

  know that GPS are you serious yeah now [TS]

  it goes through the phone right [TS]

  no no you don't need the phone anymore [TS]

  really yeah well then I didn't know that [TS]

  at least I didn't remember it for [TS]

  tracking so that you can it will track [TS]

  where you walk and it's it makes it [TS]

  better [TS]

  you know you've walked the speed and all [TS]

  that kind of stuff huh how about that i [TS]

  didn't know that I don't know if it will [TS]

  do like maps and stuff yeah that's what [TS]

  I'm talking about i don't think i don't [TS]

  think that's what I'm talking about I'm [TS]

  talking about like it it always is for [TS]

  your it's a GPS tracking so if i go to [TS]

  do a workout and I i start a workout [TS]

  it knows where I am as I'm walking [TS]

  around and and when i get home and it's [TS]

  thanks to my phone it actually puts a [TS]

  little map in in the activity [TS]

  yeah i'm looking at the website built in [TS]

  gps well I where I went [TS]

  this is a real test for me Jim do I let [TS]

  this stand where i talk for two minutes [TS]

  about how the watch could gps or do i [TS]

  edit out now cut it i think we should [TS]

  let its that all right let it stand i [TS]

  think we should let it stand people can [TS]

  know that i'm on the podcaster with [TS]

  integrity [TS]

  yeah littleton gps i forgot i either [TS]

  didn't know it wasn't paying attention [TS]

  or completely forgot that the watch [TS]

  already has built-in GPS so LTE would [TS]

  obviously be the addition [TS]

  don't tell me an artist LTE to know it [TS]

  does not see I i think in order to do [TS]

  maybe it may be in order to do the type [TS]

  of GPS you're talking about it would [TS]

  need LTE right [TS]

  no I don't think so i'm talking about i [TS]

  think it's got it must already have what [TS]

  i was talking about [TS]

  ok so I so the the thing that that I did [TS]

  with my watch when i got series to I [TS]

  would always take my phone with me and [TS]

  then it would have my watch would have [TS]

  gps but with apple while watch series 2 [TS]

  I didn't need to take the phone with me [TS]

  anymore and i had the wireless [TS]

  headphones i put a music list on my [TS]

  watch so i could listen to music [TS]

  wirelessly from my watch and have a [TS]

  track where I was walking and when i get [TS]

  back it would sink with my phone and [TS]

  everything would be there [TS]

  yeah so that part is is kind of cool [TS]

  the single thing that they could do for [TS]

  Apple watch that would make me happier [TS]

  would be to make it easier to [TS]

  would be to make it easier to [TS]

  easier to put music on on the watch and [TS]

  like not make me have to do in advance [TS]

  and to make it easier specifically for [TS]

  third-party developers to to load [TS]

  content on the watch because what i want [TS]

  in particular is I want I use overcome [TS]

  marcos mark Harmon's overcast listen to [TS]

  podcast most of what i do and always [TS]

  when I go for a jog always almost always [TS]

  listen to podcasts i would love to do it [TS]

  and be able to leave my phone at home [TS]

  and not have to jump through like 10 [TS]

  minutes of Hoops of sinking this to that [TS]

  just have it just trust that [TS]

  automatically the watch already has like [TS]

  you know that two most recent episodes [TS]

  of all the podcast i subscribe to [TS]

  already on it so i can just go out with [TS]

  their pods and the watch and just play [TS]

  podcast i would love that i would be [TS]

  good because going with the phone it's [TS]

  you know it's just it's it's there's no [TS]

  good there's no good place to put a [TS]

  phone if you're going out for a run just [TS]

  the just and I i usually jog in my [TS]

  speedos so that makes and bored there [TS]

  now I've been trying to think anything [TS]

  else that you want to talk about [TS]

  anything else in the news that's on your [TS]

  mind gym now [TS]

  no it's been a pretty good pretty good [TS]

  end of year i think it was pretty calm [TS]

  except for the mac stuff you know I well [TS]

  what about what about this new the [TS]

  iphone rumors about you know [TS]

  edge-to-edge glass [TS]

  what do you think about that it did the [TS]

  rumors don't make any sense to me [TS]

  I've heard that they're working on an [TS]

  edge-to-edge iphone i heard that a while [TS]

  ago I and it's I think no surprise i [TS]

  think it you know there's a lot it makes [TS]

  a lot of sense i think the fact that [TS]

  they've gotten rid of the physical home [TS]

  button it makes logical sense that [TS]

  they're moving in that direction that [TS]

  could be one reason that they did that [TS]

  on divided side note by the way the [TS]

  other day my iphone ran out before the [TS]

  end of the day of battery for the first [TS]

  time I think might be the first time [TS]

  that happened to me since I've had the [TS]

  iphone 7 [TS]

  I don't know what I i guess i was using [TS]

  it all day and it ran out and it [TS]

  wouldn't run out while i was using it [TS]

  like on my desk and I was like ready to [TS]

  call it a night i was doing something my [TS]

  computer really late at night and I [TS]

  picked it up and I went to press the [TS]

  home button and it didn't move because [TS]

  he was dead and it felt gross it was [TS]

  almost like I wanted to drop it like I [TS]

  you know like like I picked up a dead [TS]

  mouse it haha [TS]

  uh-huh it felt it was because I expected [TS]

  it to turn on i had no reason to think [TS]

  that the battery was dead and the fact [TS]

  that the button didn't move it didn't [TS]

  just feel wrong it felt gross anyway so [TS]

  I do I could see them moving to an edge [TS]

  design but the specific rumors don't [TS]

  make any sense to me because the [TS]

  specific rumors are that they've got new [TS]

  phones and in development at the current [TS]

  sizes 4.7 and 5.5 inch displays yeah and [TS]

  a new one that's five point eight inches [TS]

  diagonally and it makes no sense to me [TS]

  that they would come out with all of [TS]

  those like I could see that they would [TS]

  come out with the phone with a 5.8 inch [TS]

  diagonal display in a bezel list case or [TS]

  a much smaller bezel case so that the [TS]

  physical device isn't much bigger right [TS]

  like and some people have you know with [TS]

  rulers you can figure out that that if [TS]

  they really do get rid of the forehead [TS]

  and chin bezels that a 5.8 inch display [TS]

  wouldn't really even be a plus-sized [TS]

  phone it would be slightly bigger than [TS]

  the regular iphone 7 it would be a [TS]

  little bit wider but mostly the same [TS]

  height so in terms of overall size it [TS]

  might be very similar that that going [TS]

  from 4.7 25.8 really is just the [TS]

  diagonal of those puzzles so I could see [TS]

  that but I don't see why in the world [TS]

  would they come out with new phones with [TS]

  the old sizes [TS]

  it doesn't make any sense to me that [TS]

  they come out with all of them so the [TS]

  only way that the rumors make any sense [TS]

  to me is if this involves apple still [TS]

  being in a plan a plan B scenario where [TS]

  plan a would-be to go with this radical [TS]

  new edge to edge design and plan B would [TS]

  be if we feel like when it when when it [TS]

  gets to the point where we have to say [TS]

  go and put the stuff in the production [TS]

  if we're not we don't think we're ready [TS]

  to make a sep tember ship date we're [TS]

  gonna have to go with Plan B which is to [TS]

  keep the same sizes and come out with [TS]

  just this 7s 7x plus next year but I [TS]

  don't see why they would do but that [TS]

  doesn't make any sense to me that they [TS]

  would come out with for lack of a better [TS]

  word let's just call it the iphone 8 [TS]

  with a radical edge to edge design come [TS]

  out with that and come out with the 7s [TS]

  plus it doesn't make any sense or 7s you [TS]

  know 7s & 7 S Plus doesn't make any [TS]

  sense [TS]

  that's an awful big gamble though it's a [TS]

  huge gamble but that's what doing it [TS]

  makes sense to me i don't see how they [TS]

  why they would to come out with a third [TS]

  sighs I think if they come out with a [TS]

  new edge dead display that there's this [TS]

  year than the seven and seven plus [TS]

  because just stay exactly as they are [TS]

  and move to the middle price points [TS]

  I don't see why they would come out with [TS]

  new phones that are a radical design and [TS]

  come out with new phones that have a [TS]

  same as last year design would buy the [TS]

  food by those nobody right well I mean [TS]

  you're always gonna have the people that [TS]

  that will complain about you know and [TS]

  just hit i would talk about this with a [TS]

  bunch of people on twitter too and [TS]

  people said well maybe this new edge [TS]

  when they won't be able to make it in [TS]

  huge quantities so you know that's why [TS]

  they would do the 7s and seven as close [TS]

  to as good well we have why would a [TS]

  couple if they can't do it in sufficient [TS]

  quantities that y release it [TS]

  yeah that would be like the most allan [TS]

  appel like thing i've ever heard of to [TS]

  MIT to have a device that that they make [TS]

  and that they can't make enough of on [TS]

  purpose [TS]

  it doesn't make any sense good right and [TS]

  so what then that what you'd have what [TS]

  1,000,000 lucky people who got the ones [TS]

  that come out and and fifty million [TS]

  people who are like oh I wanted to cool [TS]

  one but i guess i'll get the one that's [TS]

  not cool and you know paid hundred [TS]

  dollars for a phone that they didn't [TS]

  really want that doesn't make any sense [TS]

  to me though and who I did it [TS]

  you know certainly is interesting rumor [TS]

  though it's very similar to the ipad [TS]

  rumor I told you where there's this [TS]

  third sighs with no bezels [TS]

  right varies it's sort of the same thing [TS]

  in both directions but i don't know you [TS]

  know who knows whether they're ready for [TS]

  it doesn't make sense to me [TS]

  I'm ice part but we'll see solar focus [TS]

  yeah the other thing is weird about the [TS]

  rumor to me is that this new 3rd size [TS]

  five point eight inch would be a it that [TS]

  there's only one you know that there's [TS]

  not a corresponding you know that that [TS]

  if they come out with a new edge did [TS]

  just design and as this 5.8 inch display [TS]

  that they're talking about [TS]

  there's only one size of it and that [TS]

  sounds unusual to me it seems to me like [TS]

  this to size thing is a big part of [TS]

  apples you know they appeal of that the [TS]

  iphone lineup doesn't make sense to me [TS]

  what would that make bringing the other [TS]

  two products you know this year's [TS]

  products along with that make that make [TS]

  more sense now it doesn't make any sense [TS]

  to me but what if they only released one [TS]

  size of the edge stage I don't know [TS]

  i-i've but I i guess they could but it [TS]

  doesn't it doesn't seem doesn't seem to [TS]

  fit the pattern of apples previous [TS]

  releases no well i agree anyway at least [TS]

  wear something for us to write about [TS]

  this year it seems that there's going to [TS]

  be a few things to write about for sure [TS]

  Jim I thank you for your time [TS]

  it's always good to have you on the show [TS]

  people can get all the durable they want [TS]

  at your website the loop which is it [TS]

  loop in on twitter i think [TS]

  you're J Dalrymple correct i am [TS]

  yep and that's where they can they can [TS]

  get your tweets Richard always always a [TS]

  pleasure [TS]

  haha careful you want to get your [TS]

  collagen collagen play on the better [TS]

  it'll cheer you right up [TS]

  syria we have no problem little yeah [TS]