The Accidental Tech Podcast

92: You Don`t Know My Pants


  I'm drinking a little hot chocolate right now [TS]

  and now I've gone from freezing cold to overhearing what is your trouble of choice. [TS]

  I will answer that question you don't want me to answer that question. If I had to choose just one. [TS]

  This is me dodging by the way it would be the mud house in Charlottesville which is a little coffee house [TS]

  and Charles over JR But they have winter there. OK I'm right and I had to really bottle that one up for second. [TS]

  Please take note of who is doing this to you. [TS]

  But this particular hard charging which I do find to be quite delicious is a cheery cake up [TS]

  and shoot for the like me I don't member who makes us hot chocolate. [TS]

  Well on one hand when you said I was not going to like the answer. I never thought it would be that bad. [TS]

  Hell I would never do that either. What did you think it was like the Swiss Miss instant stuff. [TS]

  Yeah yeah which is probably better. That used to be my hot chocolate of choice. [TS]

  If you think about like what hot chocolate requires really I mean yeah you can do it the good way with milk in a pot [TS]

  and easily heat up and down that much about how much work it really isn't that much work just to clean the pot [TS]

  but if you think about like what most hot chocolate it really is just like you know the packet where you add water [TS]

  and heat [TS]

  and make certain that it occurred machinist problem probably does just as good of a job at that as the gum in a pack [TS]

  into a mug and stirring it like it's not probably is not that much worse. [TS]

  Might even be slightly better in some ways so that I think is a is an official Marco approved usage of a current [TS]

  machine is if you're not going to ever actually make coffee in it which I'm kind of curious why you even own one of [TS]

  these machines because you hate coffee is it for Aaron. [TS]

  No actually the funny thing about it is this machine was given to me by Aaron as a Christmas gift like two years ago [TS]

  because I freakin love the hot chocolate to come out of it when it's time. [TS]

  Now inevitably what ended up happening is Aaron uses it constantly so it was like a bowling ball gift you know what I [TS]

  mean like the stereotypical bowling ball gift with a bowling ball say Aaron on it yeah right. [TS]

  But no I asked for it I was like No I really honestly want to Keurig and then. [TS]

  She got it for me [TS]

  and inevitably I use it like three months out of the year you know the only time it's winter down in Virginia [TS]

  and she uses it the entire year. All right you are just in fall. Let's do it. [TS]

  We got a really good e-mail from an anonymous former Apple employee and John you want to talk about this for us. [TS]

  Sure this is about I work which we've been kind of half heartedly complaining about for the past two shows speculating [TS]

  about a commitment to the office suite and what what effect it's mediocrity might or might not have on the platform [TS]

  and here is a supposedly poured from anonymous employee from what's going on with our work. [TS]

  And here she says i work i Pad basically needs to be a rewrite for various reasons for compatibility on the mac though [TS]

  this basically meant we need to port I work for the i Pad to the mac which meant work reimplementing a ten year old [TS]

  office suite. So that's what we were talking about before. [TS]

  Marco mentions about the strategy tax of the idea that I work has to be on the i Pad and on the web [TS]

  and that's the strategy and the taxes we have a perfectly good mac version [TS]

  but tough luck we have to basically take the I O. [TS]

  Us one and ported to the MAC even if it means losing features even mean spending all the time on it [TS]

  and so here is an arm is confirmation of that and then the other I guess could be considered a tax as well. [TS]

  The strategy is all fun really strategized a cost of being a first party piece of software is that [TS]

  when Apple comes out with new features in its O.S. [TS]

  Whether it's like auto save from lyin or a spotlight in tiger or a quick look in Leopard [TS]

  or continuity in your family guy. Keep these names straight. [TS]

  It's the responsibility of Apple's first party apps to implement those features. [TS]

  So in the same way I mean third party developers feel harried by the stuff as both a goal is a new version the O.S.I. [TS]

  Gossip world for stuff but Apple even more pressure internally. [TS]

  Say I work means to implement all these great new features. [TS]

  So when there would rather be you know working on features that are important to the applications like well we can't. [TS]

  If we're going to do auto safe we have to have it on our apps good looks better we say hey developers ever [TS]

  and if you do autosave but oh by the way I work on do or say where you can implement quick look [TS]

  but our applications don't employ a quick look. So this person concludes. [TS]

  Yes Can Devlin feel from the outside that our work is understaffed and not a priority [TS]

  but working is actually pretty large for a teen and Apple in some ways it's the fact that it is a priority [TS]

  and the consequent and the consequent strategy taxes that push the team this way and that the results [TS]

  and less obvious future progress for our work year to year so there you go one. [TS]

  One report purportedly from the inside about what the deal is with I work next on there makes sense. [TS]

  It's still a bummer and it's hard you know if I wasn't a developer right I think I'd find it very hard to swallow [TS]

  but I mean I get it just stinks. [TS]

  Yeah I mean if it's more or less what we thought like you could see from the outside the whole unification [TS]

  and how that's going to be a cost right now [TS]

  and the pressured implement the new technologies like I said people third party available from the outside as well. [TS]

  We just like to think that and this is kind of a silly thing to think but it's difficult to avoid that. [TS]

  Apple's got so much money surely they can get enough resources to do a good enough job on this office suite right. [TS]

  And money doesn't turn into developers [TS]

  and that's to gets back to the you know the second level matter problem of how does Apple hire [TS]

  and retain going employees and do good employees want to stay at a company where what they do is dictated so heavily [TS]

  and risks [TS]

  and constrained so heavily with a rather work of someplace like Google where a lot of try twenty different things [TS]

  and it's a difficult problem [TS]

  but we can they go you know you're the mighty Apple you should be able to do this you have all this time knowledge [TS]

  resources all this fame and all this prestige [TS]

  and back in the day all these potentially valuable stock options to give [TS]

  and yet somehow you can manage to release a release and maintain it. [TS]

  And insert your favorite application that you think Apple is neglecting here. [TS]

  So but it's a lot more difficult then than it seems from the outside. [TS]

  That's not expects using it it's just like you said it's kind of a bummer all around them. [TS]

  All right so we also I don't know if it was weird me somebody got a handful of tweets from Jonathan Solon sure who is [TS]

  Simon West on Twitter regarding microsoft dot net I've not had the time to look into any of this since we spoke about [TS]

  it last week about the open sourcing of more bits of dot net but Jonathan said you can take airspeed on at source [TS]

  and dump it on a west and it includes the new dot net stuff includes [TS]

  and I guess platform agnostic version of the server runtime you literally run I.I.S. [TS]

  On O S ten or Linux on Russell in Kampala. [TS]

  Yeah well it's weird but the new Ruslan compiler compiles the source at runtime. [TS]

  So if you deploy source to the server and I ask compiles and loads it for you. [TS]

  And again this is why a Common Language Runtime [TS]

  or what's the swift equivalent still is a right so my kernel that there is no I haven't learned I'm a governance West. [TS]

  Well I thought that it compiled down to some sour whatever. [TS]

  Well now that I know that you can compile anything tell the M. Byte code. [TS]

  That's not really buying you anything well fine. [TS]

  Well here was I thought I was smart I was wrong [TS]

  and anyway the new roughly comparable I heard you talk about that deploying a S.P. [TS]

  Dot net source includes cross-platform Dot Net runtime [TS]

  and I asked runtime so you can run it on Linux from thumb sticks so you could actually run Internet Information Server [TS]

  if you so desired which is what I see is which is kind of the Microsoft equivalent of Apache if you'll permit me to [TS]

  make a terrible analogy. You could actually run that on a stand which is either new easy mail Casey please email me. [TS]

  I guess I don't know why you'd want to necessarily but you could do it would be in the chat room says Microsoft. [TS]

  These Dockery images for S.P. [TS]

  Dot net I guess is make sense because I think we should have you know Jeff I went on to something. [TS]

  I asked him how they deploy a stack of loan. I've actually been on Windows servers. [TS]

  I don't know and what they do is speed and I think of using it for discourse as well [TS]

  and it makes sense to have Linux servers in this the most interesting thing about this is something as I'm sure not new [TS]

  but it's new to me the idea that you deploy the source to the server as if it's like a scripting language [TS]

  and doesn't just compile it for you. [TS]

  That seems nice to me I don't know why but I don't like the idea of like building a binary [TS]

  and then pushing a binary up doesn't feel web for someone who's spent so many years writing stuff [TS]

  and then just you know just runs like a jolly good this one's It runs in the browser or whatever your you know P.H.P. [TS]

  or Perl or Python or whatever runs on the server and there's no compilation step [TS]

  and so it's neither doing the same thing. [TS]

  But Jim is not you know an amazing taking of me but I had to think it feels feels Webby to me. [TS]

  Well [TS]

  and even in Windows there are there are a lot of things that get compiled at runtime the first time they're necessary [TS]

  and in fact project I did a few years ago we were using what is now Microsoft I nam expired at the time was called [TS]

  C.R.M. and What it ended up happening was we were leveraging the C.R.M. A.P.I. [TS]

  Which is a bunch of soap of course because it's Microsoft and the way C.R.M. [TS]

  Works is you can kind of build up entities on the planet on the fly but you can you direct C.R.M. [TS]

  To build up these entities so you know a customer includes whatever unique fields you want to include [TS]

  and you basically build a relational database in the U.I. [TS]

  Well what ends up happening is they have strongly typed like classes [TS]

  and everything for all of these different entities that you've built. [TS]

  So what it was so in turn what ended up happening was the with still for the particular serum environment we were [TS]

  trying to hit was something like forty thousand lines of X.M.L. It was enormous. [TS]

  And what we were running into was every time we started I guess on a depth box on the real box didn't matter one way [TS]

  or another. [TS]

  Every time we started I guess it would pause for literally a minute [TS]

  and for the life of us we couldn't figure out what was going on. [TS]

  Well fast forward a few days of playing with it [TS]

  and it turns out what we were doing was since we were using proxy objects that were strongly typed versions of classes [TS]

  that represented the wisdom all those were all getting compiled at runtime as I started. [TS]

  And so that took a really darn long time since it was a forty thousand line with Oregon whatever the case may be. [TS]

  And so what we ended up having to do was explicitly precompile all of those proxy classes and include that D.L.L. [TS]

  In our deployment in order to prevent that heinous runtime and I bring all this up [TS]

  or load time every all the sup because my point is I was doing a compilation [TS]

  or perhaps the Donek framework was doing that compilation based on a request [TS]

  and I asked a question from the chat room discourse is Ruby not a ASP NET stack or closing speed [TS]

  and as well the chairman saying discourse is Ruby in all capitals I'm not sure is that something else like are you [TS]

  going to write like an initialism I don't think we have allies that correctly anyway. [TS]

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  So John you want to tell me about some of the stuff that the Germans have been doing with bendy i Phones you know we're [TS]

  going to go entirely. [TS]

  They based on the feedback is from Julian pointing us to a Web site that's written in German [TS]

  and I didn't even bother doing the Google translator thing of whatever because Julian was nice enough to summarize it [TS]

  for us but this is more unbending i Phones [TS]

  and gets into something that I mentioned on a couple of our past episodes about we don't know what the environment of [TS]

  the pocket is like on an i Phone What kind of forces can be applied in the pocket [TS]

  and apparently this website which is sort of the German equivalent of consumer reports according to Julian. [TS]

  Tried to figure this out by putting pants on people and having them sit down in different services [TS]

  and silence of our so here are the bullet point conclusions. [TS]

  He says it seems impossible to bend a phone when located in your front pocket. I think I think you get it done. [TS]

  Feel like it's just a question of how tight the pants are [TS]

  but if you don't know my pants that it doesn't is it it seems impossible. [TS]

  Sitting down on your phone in the back pocket results in defamation if you sit on the hard edge testing person report [TS]

  of the defamation was painful. [TS]

  So no unconscious spending possible again I can test this because if I don't I think it's possible to be wearing [TS]

  something very large and very tight on a person who is not in good touch with their body [TS]

  or parts of their body have become numb and not noticed in any way. [TS]

  I Phones and the Sony experience to which I assume is a phone where the only phones that bent [TS]

  and the wearing cast so there are some results if you can read German you can figure out whether the summary is [TS]

  accurate or not but I'm glad people are not letting our continuing to delve into the research here [TS]

  and say What is it like in a pocket for a phone and in the fall I don't know if it's fall over not [TS]

  but forever ago we were talking about the new U.S.B. Type C. Connector the basically the U.S.B. [TS]

  Clone of the Lightning connector worth reversible and smaller. [TS]

  And today the news came out about the Nokia N one tablet. [TS]

  Basically Nokia's clone of the i Pad Mini and it includes a clone of the lightning port in the form of the new U.S.B. [TS]

  Type seek center and I think this is the first one we've seen is that true. I've never seen it. [TS]

  I'm sure there was one that shipped on some P.C. Somewhere before that but this is the highest profile one I've seen. [TS]

  So here you know you can see on this version article they show this you know this whole thing and [TS]

  and it looks pretty much like it looks exactly like I think that there are in the picture if we don't have a good [TS]

  picture of like the of all the angles of the plug on [TS]

  and I think that you know of any other ones he said we had him only talked about it before [TS]

  but not in this particular shot and I don't think it's fair to call U.S.B. [TS]

  Type seek after the cloud of lighting here I wish it was a current Lightning connector instead it's a small rounded [TS]

  U.S.B. [TS]

  Connector with a little pins on the inside inside the outside Iran or whatever [TS]

  but this tablet is totally fair to call this a clone of the i Pad Mini because it's a type of clone where [TS]

  when you see the places where they deviate you think to yourself that deviation is intentional so they can feel it so [TS]

  they can sleep at night like he does differently than I did like the holes for the speakers in the bottom like that [TS]

  instead of having to be rectangular region they put a little you know actual curves that look like rounded edges [TS]

  regions are [TS]

  and then as jungle respond points out a different a different number of roads that are in two rows of dots in three [TS]

  rows and so it's like you know when they're doing that they can look you know what you're doing. [TS]

  You're quoting I've had many and then you're like well we have to do something to be different [TS]

  and so they do they differ in the smallest tiniest little details so they can feel like they're not copying [TS]

  and this is an extremely shameless hardware design like looking at this like I do you think honestly like you said they [TS]

  do they do this they can sleep [TS]

  and I just think that they have just decided that they are morally bankrupt like they just don't even care [TS]

  and they say you know what. If we're going to partially clone it let's just go all the way. [TS]

  Then go like they did that the holes in the speakers are like we are. We're giving our own twist. [TS]

  Right but that's not a little thing like everything else it's basically like if you copy [TS]

  and paste on all the source code [TS]

  but you change the names of the variables this is basically the hardware equivalent of that. [TS]

  This is like you change the name of one global variable and one file I was it I mean [TS]

  and his Because the argument against cloning just take the other side of it because people are going to look at this [TS]

  and there is there is a kernel of truth underlying the B.S. [TS]

  Than about this if you're It's that when you have a tablet this is basically like a rectangular screen. [TS]

  There's only so many ways you can slice that there's no sense putting a bunch of lumps there they don't need to be [TS]

  there. [TS]

  Rounded edges like you're not going to make the edges point to say oh your edges around [TS]

  and I was a pointy point it is [TS]

  or don't like there is very little room for interpretation in a utilitarian device like this. [TS]

  That's the argument for like well it's not really a clone but you know it's got to be a screen like this forever [TS]

  but that is mostly B.S. Because I never minded like this thing. [TS]

  Copies just not just the overall shape of the details but also it's only obvious because it's been done. [TS]

  It could just as well been obvious and save the surface came out that every tablet has a kickstand right [TS]

  and it was there well you know of course is going to look like the servers you know everyone knows tablets are [TS]

  kickstands like i Pad didn't exist in the service of the Standard-Bearer tablet it could have been very different it's [TS]

  only like this is what tablets look like because the i Pad established the form [TS]

  and so I give people a pass for keeping the form I get to degrade terrace Grant rounded edges. [TS]

  I say that's fine but even that you have to admit like that comes from the existence of the i Pad [TS]

  but this doesn't just copy the form as so many other tablets before it copies down to the minute it's little details [TS]

  except for the parts very consciously deviate to the minute details to try to say see we're not really copying so is [TS]

  just I almost have more respect for like the i Phone clones from China that try to clone it exactly right down to [TS]

  trying to say the word I thought on the back will use it. [TS]

  If instead of a peer something and he's there know what they're doing they say we're going to copy the i Phone. [TS]

  Exactly. Appearance wise unless you look really close. And that I think almost a more noble endeavor. [TS]

  Nokia is doing here but you know it is like no this is a legitimate prog moon I got a clone [TS]

  or not I get sued by Apple I this is ridiculous. [TS]

  Well [TS]

  but this is Foxconn apparently if you look at this verse article now I'm quoting Nokia is partnering with Foxconn to [TS]

  build the N one licensing the industrial design Nokia brand in Z. [TS]

  Launcher software to the device maker I guess industrial design means it was Nokia's designedly I mean everyone's eyes [TS]

  and things to people at Foxconn to have them built. [TS]

  Well [TS]

  but does that require licensing just to build it like is Apple licensing the design to Foxconn to build an i Pad [TS]

  and i don't i'm a video of how that works. [TS]

  There is there are stories like like with the with the first Black Berry I mean the only Black Berry Playbook where [TS]

  like they were like so I think it was Foxconn one of the big manufacturing had this basically stock tablet design [TS]

  and Blackberry you know just sort of make that stick out. [TS]

  Secondly on a forensic or software on it and that's the playbook [TS]

  and then number the first Kindle Fire was almost the exact same thing it was like the same time by the same people with [TS]

  like slightly different. [TS]

  They're basically white labeling it like slightly different things on the front and that was the Kindle Fire. [TS]

  I'm pretty sure Apple does not do you know Apple definite is not that they have occasionally done it with Intel where [TS]

  from what I've heard it people feel free to write in and correct me from what I've heard. [TS]

  Oftentimes Intel will do a lot of the design work of Apple's motherboards where they called logic boards an Apple ad [TS]

  and sing Occasionally I forget seven of many this time but you have a I don't think it extends really much past that [TS]

  and even that it probably is not that frequent. [TS]

  Apple has helped design goes a little bit ago in that Pavel's push for wherever those machines that like you know the [TS]

  milling the computer controlled milling machines that take a block of them and carve it into a case or whatever like. [TS]

  Apple starting with a MacBook Air Apple has put a lot of money into buying more and more of those machines [TS]

  or financing the purchase of those machines for factories that build it stuff [TS]

  and now there are a bunch of factories with the ability to you know the companies that make those machines made money [TS]

  because they sold more of them and they can make more than they can bear. [TS]

  So essentially the manufacturing technology to make something like the products Apple has made is now more available [TS]

  than it would have been if Apple hadn't pushed for this type of design so there is sort of a global effect on the [TS]

  supply chain of Apple selling a lot of devices like this [TS]

  and putting a lot of money into the tooling to make device like this which means now this manufacturing capacity [TS]

  and manufacturing know how and the companies with experience doing this is available to companies other than Apple. [TS]

  Partially because Apple does in the same way Apple benefits from all the semiconductor technology that it takes [TS]

  advantage of memories of a guy because other people are just buying a lot of things [TS]

  but it's all part of an ecosystem so it's not too strange to see successful materials [TS]

  and manufacturing processes that Apple may have pioneered now being popular because it's a good idea. [TS]

  More people should be doing it [TS]

  but I just feel like the very least I don't I don't mind you making a rounded rectangle screen I think that's what a [TS]

  tablet is more or less you know I give you that it can it can be very i Pad like [TS]

  but there's something with video I kind of like that was the nexus six tablet which everyone has like a robbery back on [TS]

  and stuff like that that I think was better than an i Pad I wish my i Pad out of every back like that because I think [TS]

  it's great you don't you know it makes it a groupie [TS]

  and more comfortable every night that that's a way to differentiate yourself from Apple do something different [TS]

  and better. Don't try to do exactly the same thing do something Apple probably won't ever do. [TS]

  Yeah you know they probably should because the exit like there's like there's a market for some of the things I like [TS]

  things things like the like the back things like you know make [TS]

  and have a version of the tablet that's half an inch thick [TS]

  and has amazing week long battery life like the things that Apple would probably never do those many of those things. [TS]

  The markets [TS]

  and it's perfectly respectful to address those like if you're not going off knocking off all the way like don't don't [TS]

  knock off ninety five percent of it really knock it off or go your own way [TS]

  and make something that that would not be mistaken by many many casualties errors to be this thing so I have two [TS]

  thoughts on this. But first some real time follow up from the chat room. [TS]

  It's apparently the Nexus seven that you were thinking of. Or so I'm told either way. [TS]

  First question I have is looking at this verge article the hero image at the top is that Monument Valley on there. [TS]

  Yep it's available for Android. [TS]

  Well it is you know maybe that's maybe that's a canary five percent clone of Monument Valley. [TS]

  Now it's the real thing I'm pretty sure that we'll never find the real thing. [TS]

  OK I did not realize it is available for Android [TS]

  and then finally if you look all the way at the bottom you can see a close up of both ends of the reversal U.S.B. Port. [TS]

  Obviously the one and looks just like any other U.S.B. Port but the one that looks like a lightning connect connector. [TS]

  I'm pretty sure we knew this [TS]

  but what with the pins being on the inside I guess that just looks weird not bad just it looks so funny because I'm [TS]

  thinking I think to myself well that's no that's not a Lightning connector it's the U.S.B. Version of this tablet. [TS]

  On a quick glance you would definitely think it's a lightning connector [TS]

  and that oh no it's actually not I think it's bigger than a lighting actor like wider me an actor. [TS]

  Probably but it's so hard to tell here but it is there is very similar and there is a place that I wish the U.S.B. [TS]

  Spec it more closely copulating despite the fact that we went was for ever in telling me that Apple's lighting tables [TS]

  are garbage and shred and you know I'm still going through never having destroyed any first party Apple U.S.B. [TS]

  Do anything connector so obviously I'd baby my hardware to a degree that is outside the norm [TS]

  and no one is surprised that you know it's actually a little bit funny [TS]

  and I mean I don't know if this is how these things are supposed to work [TS]

  but if I had to buy an Android tablet like for to. [TS]

  Something I would probably buy this because it's least different it looks like it's most likely to have the hardware [TS]

  not be horrible like I am I bought an android test a vise. [TS]

  It's been it's gone very poorly [TS]

  but I always get like I got it I got a Kindle Fire I got one of the first Nexus seven and its will and a Barnes [TS]

  and Noble Look tablet which was a big mistake [TS]

  and they've all been these awful devices was just hideous just terrible to use awful like you know battery issues [TS]

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  and would probably be under squatting trademark problems it doesn't mean this in the world sounds like something that [TS]

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  when someone's trying to write a line about the Internet world [TS]

  and that's kind of a a real domain name to get actually redirect to Disney. [TS]

  That's the problem of all these new deal these they all sound like terrible jokes that you just need to be able to [TS]

  include backslashes and your L's [TS]

  and we will finally arrive I mean all this time with essentially the movie oh US Lego us is a do ridiculous animations [TS]

  that show in movies like no real computer works like that [TS]

  and then Apple made actually works like that is like well there's your movie although it doesn't be very dumb letters [TS]

  appear on the screen and now I know that just in the movie domain names is named world backslash. Yeah OK. [TS]

  It drives me nuts any time I watch any television show [TS]

  or movie where everything that the computer does creates a noise [TS]

  or some sort of sound effect where a window appears on a screen [TS]

  and makes a noise known as I've got to do that yet because who would smash their computers to bits [TS]

  and about you know in an office space style you know a printer destruction sequence for a day. [TS]

  If every window that appeared made a noise. [TS]

  Well there have been occasional like system plug in the stuff to do that as jokes based on movies [TS]

  but I would imagine it's the kind of thing kind of like if somebody's in front of you in line the grocery store is [TS]

  trying to use currency. [TS]

  I'm guessing like if you try to actually use one of those things in an office you would get your butt handed to you [TS]

  pretty quickly in an office like that's your noise bother even if yours alone in your house that would drive you insane. [TS]

  I mean they need you know the whole I think within every painting talking about showing. [TS]

  Extant stuff which is much more tasteful but there they do the movies to so that you would know to look at something [TS]

  but it's just at this point everyone is so familiar with computers [TS]

  and phones of all kinds that they can get away with that anymore they got to come up with another way to draw the [TS]

  viewer's attention because everybody knows what those look like it's not like Well most people know computers work like [TS]

  anyway so we can do whatever we want no you can't everybody knows now even little kids know I'm just disappointed we [TS]

  don't have the what was it like a spatial finder whatever from Jurassic Park. [TS]

  Oh God don't get Johns are not inspirational finder on there goes to show that there was a real as we have that it [TS]

  when I was a devout I was a baby you the little flying through three the interface thing. Yeah. In the S.G.I. [TS]

  Lab that the actual software that somebody made it was useless and stupid but it was real. I won it. [TS]

  It's a Unix system I know this well I have that reference points for sure. Now that's just you. [TS]

  You maintain a passing grade in that category. [TS]

  You're avoiding failing you're not you're not giving up it's high praise from John Syracuse thanks. I feel great now. [TS]

  All right let's talk about apparently some big happened today. [TS]

  Big week you want talk about watched it I actually did my homework I watch the video. [TS]

  I am stupefied that you have actually done your homework and John did you also do your homework. [TS]

  I read a lot of stuff and read a lot of tweets [TS]

  and I watched half of the video in the pause halfway through so you get to see yet that you are maintaining a passing [TS]

  grade. Now watch the rest of it later but you know it was it's like a half an hour long. [TS]

  So and does it go kind of slowly. Yeah it's it's given video pace and the problem is like the B.B.C. [TS]

  Videos you couldn't you couldn't open up in quick time you can speed him up playing like one point four X. [TS]

  These this video that was only a T.V. Live streaming thing. [TS]

  Like I had a half hour to watch it [TS]

  and I knew it would take me about fifteen minutes of that to figure out how to get a fan page to download all the [TS]

  little segments into an altogether into a file that I could speed up [TS]

  and I would therefore lose the gains I would have gotten from speeding it up [TS]

  but yeah this is something that could use a little bit of a speaking but otherwise I thought was really interesting. [TS]

  So we did we ever talk about underscores article like two weeks ago and [TS]

  when he was basically predicting what Watch it would allow us to do based on what Apple had said Yeah I know I know [TS]

  exactly what you're talking about I don't know if we ever spoke of it but he was more right than wrong [TS]

  but not one hundred percent right which is surprising because I thought he had nailed it when I read that article. [TS]

  Yeah definitely so. [TS]

  So our friends are under pretty good metrics article will intuit I'm I'm pretty sure we actually didn't get to it I [TS]

  think you're right. [TS]

  But anyway what we're going to have full native watch apps legibly to later next year what Apple said originally [TS]

  and this is not this is what I say this was announced when the watch was announced so that [TS]

  and to the most likely outcome is that at next year they will unveil it the native S.T.K. [TS]

  Between now and then you don't get native apps you get what you get a limited access to to the watch [TS]

  and everything seems to run basically controlled through an extension on your on your phone so it's like your i OS app [TS]

  has a watch a kid extension that I don't think any of this is in the eight right isn't like it's all public now I don't [TS]

  know main public page that thing that I have quoted in bold in the show is right off of Apple site you don't need to be [TS]

  logged in to get it right exactly so that you're absolutely right. [TS]

  As an extension it launches on your phone [TS]

  when the user taps something on the watch to to launch you also if your absence has sent push notifications will show [TS]

  up on the watch but we knew that already. [TS]

  So the phone this is often video it's actually I think you should watch if you're at all interested in the stuff. [TS]

  What we have now is more than I thought we would have. But definitely less than a full native S.T.K. [TS]

  So I thought we would only have what they are calling glances and actionable notifications [TS]

  and actual occasions where notifications can have a couple of buttons on them so you could like you know get out of [TS]

  question for a podcast [TS]

  and tap a play button which yes I know overcast not support yet I'm waiting for streaming to do that anyway so I [TS]

  figured you can show doesn't the watch as well and have there be a couple of buttons and that might be all you get [TS]

  and then a glance I figure to be like a read only view of you know some information from your app [TS]

  and tapping it would do basically nothing. I thought and we have those kind of things. [TS]

  I thought that was going to be all we were going to get until next summer. Turns out that we had a little bit more. [TS]

  And it's pretty interesting it's pretty limited [TS]

  but it's all the more than I thought we'd get so what we have in watch kit so far with with like the not quite native [TS]

  ASP but like the apps that were on the watch that interact with your phone. [TS]

  The phone is basically running a very very limited storyboard runner you define in your app in your i OS app [TS]

  and all you to find this extension and you give it like a static storyboard all the graphics [TS]

  and everything have to be included in that some things can be dynamically generated like like table rows. [TS]

  Obviously can be that I mostly generated but most things are static like you to find them at compile time [TS]

  and the watch O.-S. [TS]

  Basically like plays through this [TS]

  and any interaction it's taken it communicates back to your i Phone to the extension running on your i Phone to have [TS]

  that do any kind of actual computation. It's pretty limited. [TS]

  It looks real and I haven't the time to actually write any code with that yet [TS]

  but it looks pretty limited in things like any kind of dynamic abilities because tables all the stuff was also very [TS]

  interesting is the layout system you can specify an X. In a Y. [TS]

  Coordinate for an element that you're putting on screen you. [TS]

  Basically specify here are the elements I want to be on screen [TS]

  and by default biggest flow downwards there is stacked and it becomes like a scrolling downward view [TS]

  and then you can group things into these groups [TS]

  and groups are groups can be arranged like doing sub layouts so you can have a group that itself is arranged with its [TS]

  own little stack. Or you can have it arranged horizontally in a stack instead of vertically. [TS]

  Finally all those table based layout skills that even left weathering from the ninety's will be relevant again. [TS]

  If not it's been a long time since I've seen any of this but isn't a lot like swing number the original Java U.I. [TS]

  To look at there's a lot of you I think the first one I ever seen that did this [TS]

  and Cheryl's link for it to see if anyone remembers is Geo So I think G.E.O.S. [TS]

  Was a girl with a similar layout paradigm like I think swing that is why I forget what it's called it's not it's not [TS]

  the packing problem but it's a similar type of thing where you just take a bunch of boxes [TS]

  and fill in the empty space of the thing Geos had had a little bit of gravity associated with it as well [TS]

  but yeah this is not a new a new way to lay out a curious but it's not a great way to go either. [TS]

  For sophisticated things but very very very tiny screen there [TS]

  when I was looking through all the documentation it's like they are removing as many options as possible rather than. [TS]

  making you layout your U.I. The same way you would on a phone or on a Mac. [TS]

  But yes in a small screen they're saying just take away your ability to specify any of this stuff [TS]

  and How simple can we make it and this is pretty darned simple. [TS]

  Bunch of boxes they plug in you don't get that you get to control that you've got you've got settings for like for her [TS]

  color background color margins and spacing again it's like table based layout you know cell padding cell spacing. [TS]

  Yeah yeah. [TS]

  It's is it's a very very rudimentary level of control [TS]

  and it seems as though like multitasking It seems like is nonexistent for these for these kind of these types of apps. [TS]

  I'm sure in the future will have better multitasking and I'm sure the watch. [TS]

  The maps can convert multitasking to do things like continue playing audio while you're looking at something [TS]

  but from the description it sounds like what's most likely to happen here is that is [TS]

  when the user interacts with your actual When user launches your apple response unification the extension on your phone [TS]

  launches they control the watch session and then as soon as they said in the view that [TS]

  when the user stops interacting with your with your watch cap then your Apatow made it so there's basically no [TS]

  multitasking is what it sounds like. And although it's very similar in some ways to the very first i Phone S.T.K. [TS]

  The i Phone to point out the very first S.T.K. [TS]

  For the store has a lot of a lot of similar kinds of restrictions in some ways even more restrictive in that they can [TS]

  do a lot of things that you couldn't do back then but it's a similar level of permissibility [TS]

  and complexity where you're building pretty simple things. You have pretty basic control over them. [TS]

  There's a lot of guardrail set up there's a lot of restrictions set up there's there's a lot of limitations [TS]

  and we're not going to see like you know Angry Birds for the watch in this kind of system [TS]

  and I think games are going to be pretty much impossible. [TS]

  I also think we can look at some of the recent notification center after rejection drama. [TS]

  I Phone and i and looking at both that [TS]

  and some of the some of the hens they're dropping in the watch kit documentation and video. [TS]

  It seems as though they're going to be more strict about what you can [TS]

  and can't do in a watch out like i Phone where the frameworks limit you. [TS]

  You know if you can do something without calling a private you know. [TS]

  So if you can do something really crazy like if if let's say there was no Open G.L. [TS]

  On the i Phone if you can just make a butt load of CA layers [TS]

  and do everything you need with that Apple wouldn't reject you for that. You know like where is on the watch and it's. [TS]

  It's like kind of kind of the new Apple app store stuff with some of these new areas that we're allowed to put apps. [TS]

  It seems like they're going to be a little more restricted like things that you can do. [TS]

  You actually are not meant to do and we won't let you do them [TS]

  and so it would not surprise me to see it like that back when the after first launch on an i Phone before it was open. [TS]

  When when when we had the S.T.K. [TS]

  We knew the rules because you know the rules change quickly [TS]

  but you know during those few months where we could build up to we couldn't launch them yet. [TS]

  One of the rules in the after Garland's originally was like we're going to look at your apps [TS]

  and if they don't if they aren't high quality we might reject them [TS]

  and I thought as long as well as a bunch of other developers I thought that they would actually be like pretty pretty [TS]

  strict like your app and have to be like Apple levels of quality to to be approved in the App Store [TS]

  and of course that have not been the case at all there's tons of garbage after the app store because that's kind of an [TS]

  unforced pool standard to keep up. [TS]

  It kind of seems like they might be trying to do that with the watch with with the things they've said with some of the [TS]

  implications they've made and some of the notification center restrictions we've seen so far. [TS]

  It wouldn't surprise me if they are a lot more strict about about what you can do in a watch out [TS]

  and how good it has to be to be approved. You know I'm curious to see how that goes. [TS]

  But no matter what I am really surprised by the fact that this kind of paired splits of apps where the phone is doing [TS]

  pretty much all the heavy lifting. [TS]

  I'm surprised that we're seeing that now [TS]

  and it's really exciting because that means whenever the Apple Watch does come out next year there should be hopefully [TS]

  a fairly robust ecosystem of apps available shortly after launch and that's really awesome [TS]

  and the only thing that that you won't be able to do is is run an app where your i Phone isn't. [TS]

  Near by so the most obvious example of that I can think of is like a Run Keeper run monster [TS]

  or something like that where you want to leave your i Phone at home but go for a jog or something along those lines. [TS]

  Or maybe your third party pod cast. [TS]

  Yeah something like that won't be permissible yet or possible yet to your point Marco but [TS]

  but pretty much everything else that they've announced will be available is available and that's really exciting [TS]

  and I'm really looking forward to it. [TS]

  So you think about this implementation here with all these restrictions we just described. [TS]

  I can't help but think the entire watch is acting kind of like Choose your analogy. [TS]

  They're kind of like the push notification service [TS]

  and I us are kind of like what I had heard I'd never actually confirmed that the older possibly the current Apple T.V. [TS]

  Is where it's just one process that does sort of those little bundles [TS]

  and that the resources are so constrained what they want to have is a single process running all the time in memory [TS]

  with its working set with but they can control the C.P.U. [TS]

  Sovan all it does is sort of you know receive and load static packages of simple descriptions of U.I. [TS]

  It's basically storyboards or whatever static assets. [TS]

  And that's all it does and display them [TS]

  and relay information over Bluetooth to say the person could grasp on you want to you know transfer this bundle thing [TS]

  you want to display this they'll have a slayer's thing I'll wire the stuff up [TS]

  when someone presses I'll tell you which button they press and like and that's it [TS]

  and that makes me think like why would they launch different processes for that. [TS]

  Why wouldn't it just be one small process it's always in memory that is responsible for for doing all these hard things [TS]

  glances actual notifications [TS]

  and these you know watch kid whatever they're going to be called not quite native app type things maybe that's three [TS]

  separate applications instead of one [TS]

  but the whole idea is constrain your resources in the same with there's only one push notification service [TS]

  and I was like that that process will be running it will be a memory. [TS]

  It will do work on behalf of the applications they were generals in every single application this is back before a [TS]

  background rather than everything level cation running in the background there be one process there in the background [TS]

  it would tell you tell your application when you know basically resource constraints [TS]

  and was making me think is what are the resource constraints of this. This phone is a memory C.P.U. [TS]

  Is a battery and it's all those things to do we more than I us [TS]

  but what is the what is the key one that would make that type of influence ation assuming it is what they're doing [TS]

  possible and whatever it is I have to think like how are they going to new native apps on the same hardware. [TS]

  If there I mean that's I guess US rivers and I Why why don't we have native apps now [TS]

  and I want answers like that is not ready with a software stack in the same way they were ready. [TS]

  Well they didn't plan on an i Phone one point over anyway. They gave that ready for the end about right. [TS]

  But as the other part of it that like native apps they had to figure out how to let you run native apps of that letting [TS]

  people do something that will destroy the watch battery in fifteen minutes. [TS]

  I don't I don't know how this is all going to work out but this seems so incredibly constrained [TS]

  and makes me think the implementation is being so careful with with with everything with memory with C.P.U. [TS]

  With battery that I'm having trouble [TS]

  and visioning what the native app interface is going to look like this is so constrained. [TS]

  Yeah I mean part of it I think you're right that the tools are most likely the biggest cause why we don't have it up [TS]

  front but there's also there's also side effects to that like I think that's the cause. [TS]

  There's a couple other fortunate side effect to that being the case that will benefit from one of the biggest is people [TS]

  are going to be forming their opinions [TS]

  and their evaluations of the watches battery life before there are these full native apps. [TS]

  So you know if you know people you can tell people like oh well you shouldn't run. [TS]

  These things we shouldn't overuse these these types of things because that will that will enable effect better life now [TS]

  people will do whatever they want to do and in the bill yell at Apple if the battery is not as good as they want to be. [TS]

  So by restricting what they can do for the first X. Months of the of the thing being out that is its lead. [TS]

  It's forcing people to do things the way Apple has been to be done [TS]

  and to keep things kind of reasonable during the time [TS]

  when everyone's figuring out what kind of battery life is a thing get what what is the news for [TS]

  and secondarily having that can train wheels period where you can't do everything you want. [TS]

  Also gives it it it kind of forces people to think about like do I really want these things on a watch like do I really [TS]

  need a native app for whatever function I want to do it like I mean for cash I'm probably going to have to make a [TS]

  native app to be able to play when the phones on around like on in the jogging scenario. [TS]

  But for a lot of apps a watch kit. I Phone hybrid app might be all they need. [TS]

  And so maybe this is this is also having the fortunate side benefit of Apple kind of forcing developers if you if you [TS]

  want to get in early if you want to be aggressive [TS]

  and get in to watch kit now you're going to watch development now you have to do it the simple way first [TS]

  and then later on we unveil this. [TS]

  Then you'll be forced to be faced with a question of do I throw that all away and rewrite it with this new system [TS]

  or not. [TS]

  And many developers are going to choose no and that benefits apple [TS]

  and it benefits the watching it benefits users as long as they don't need all those extra functions they would have [TS]

  been getting. [TS]

  Because then there's less for the watch to do with their it gets better battery life you know like all these things so [TS]

  I think like Apple needs this time to do both. [TS]

  Let people love the watch for its for its battery life hopefully and also to force both customers [TS]

  and developers to not just jump to know I need to port my game to the watch [TS]

  or owing to port everything I ever do to the watch like. [TS]

  To force us to read to to kind of give the watch a clean start. [TS]

  Yeah I think you're right and it's just a really interesting engineering decision on both software [TS]

  and hardware sides to limit everything this is what John was driving at you know to limit everything so so severely in [TS]

  order to presumably preserve battery life. [TS]

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  Yeah on the on the resource constraints and everything. [TS]

  The advantage of the i Phone had [TS]

  and maybe the watch will have to with like sort of know if the beginning is you're going to write web apps [TS]

  or whatever and then I sort of hastily slap one together for two point and it was very mature and didn't do a lot [TS]

  and your apps for extremely constrained [TS]

  and slowly over time we got to you know push notifications them we got a real backgrounding amount we have multitasking [TS]

  in the background I like all the things that were slowly added I.O.'s came along with advancements in hardware lower [TS]

  powered ships more C.P.U. [TS]

  Power more RAM on the batteries probably stayed about the same size [TS]

  but you know like the base with the hardware became more power efficient did more with that power. [TS]

  And we definitely got more RAM So if the watch is going to start off really constrained like this. [TS]

  You know we're going to have native apps presumably you know within the first year of the thing those native apps you [TS]

  would imagine would be have to be like at least this constraint probably more constrained then the very first that I [TS]

  was to point out that the first S.T.K. [TS]

  You know the very first Iowa stats so that means no background processing like they already have push notifications so [TS]

  they're already up ahead of what I was apps for at that time. [TS]

  Could be you know even more constrained like these these two tweets [TS]

  or one from Craig Hockenberry thing that you can even subclass the watch get glasses that we can interface things you [TS]

  can even subclass them with. [TS]

  But the current paradigm and Pete Burgess replied [TS]

  and Twitter it's not like that would help there's no direct for you to override they aren't views. [TS]

  That's just like really constrained way to drive location it is not like oh hey you can just start drawing whatever you [TS]

  want or a custom controls do you know I have to imagine this is going to be super constrained [TS]

  and those constraints will only be lifted if and [TS]

  when the watch hardware becomes more capable because it's not like Apple suddenly discovered how to do multitasking [TS]

  and I was four point [TS]

  or whatever it was like This is what we can do with the hardware vailable And so that everything that the original i [TS]

  Phone including the lack of their party apps was made so like Marcus [TS]

  and so you could show like look how awesome the slowness is in a maze like people thought it was fake like you can make [TS]

  a U.I. [TS]

  That faster or you can do it if you just have if you control everything and put incredible constraints [TS]

  and everything and have one process running at a time [TS]

  and have the entire phone dedicated to trying to give you that smooth animation right [TS]

  and so the watch is going to follow that same path not because Apple doesn't know how to do those things because the [TS]

  harbour just isn't ready for it yet. [TS]

  Even more so than the first i Phone So I'm really looking forward to seeing how they can get how can how they can [TS]

  hardware themselves out of this situation vengefully get to the point where the watch hardware can start to get some. [TS]

  Those things that I was three point zero and four point one five point I had [TS]

  and I think it's going to be a long road because as we said we're talking about power constraints [TS]

  and making many many shows ago that you know battery technology that the capacity of batteries very forgiving massive [TS]

  battery how much energy can you get out of it is getting better slowly [TS]

  but that's what I think will be how to graph it shows like fifteen percent year over year if you're lucky [TS]

  or something like that that's not the way you're going to get any big wins the way you get big wins is by making [TS]

  everything on the electronics device use less power so the C.P.U. [TS]

  Power the screen uses less power you know the radios use less power that is the only way forward because you can't rely [TS]

  on like well next year I'll double the battery about you know you want less you're going to watch twice as thick [TS]

  or you know much better anyway. [TS]

  And that finally this all gets back to the idea that if you buy the very first Apple Watch Will your Apple Watch ever [TS]

  have multitasking. [TS]

  Probably not the first i Phones then right you can run I was four point over never was you know will have background [TS]

  processing on the original i Phone could not do background processing because about time the US could do that it [TS]

  couldn't run the original i Phone And if you're going to buy a piece of hardware [TS]

  and it's going to be obsolete because it can have these features that we think are going to be added over the years how [TS]

  do you deal with your ten K. Gold version of the one right there in the area. [TS]

  Ridge come full circle on the Appalachia I mean I'm honestly you know seeing seeing what we get today and watched it [TS]

  and as I mentioned earlier this is actually more than I expected the able to do compared to you know my you know what [TS]

  we saw earlier as we see this and then also knowing that next fall there's going to be this supposedly new S.T.K. [TS]

  With area next summer and fall with with native apps. [TS]

  I think you're right like a list of us are going to make a new watch next fall which would be repeats. [TS]

  Well we're going to be like a six month product cycle there. [TS]

  I'm kind of surprised that that's why I think it almost certainly is because of just tools limitations that. [TS]

  It doesn't make sense that if this is all we can do for I watch one of these for Apple Watch one point no hardware why [TS]

  next fall can we suddenly do more like that doesn't make a lot of sense. [TS]

  You know that's when you know next fall is when you're going to be able to do sort of the. [TS]

  If you could pretend that third party applications were available [TS]

  and I was one boy no i Phone No us how constrained would they have been. That's going to cost you even more so maybe. [TS]

  Right. Thanks a lot to our three sponsors this week igloo hover and Lynda dot com and we will see you next week. [TS]

  Now it was accidental and accidental. [TS]

  John and you are now getting access to that list [TS]

  and there are so John what's going on with your i Phone because you've received an i Phone But is it activated what's [TS]

  what's happening. [TS]

  You know I feel when I ordered it like out of the beginning of the month I think I mentioned on the show [TS]

  and I had ordered it and then it was like expected to ship and seven to ten days in a did. And it finally arrived and. [TS]

  If you're right and Monday and stayed over Mark to sign for it and a lot cited took it out of the box [TS]

  and you see a little screen says hello in several languages and you swipe to the right [TS]

  and then it makes you pick a language and makes you pick the country that you're in [TS]

  and then what to do after that I think it wants you to connect to either a life I network or a cellular network [TS]

  and I connected to my wife I am put in my wife my password and then it says activating your phone [TS]

  and then it says your phone cannot be activated because the activation servers are temporarily unavailable this problem [TS]

  persists. [TS]

  Caller you know to contact Apple dot com slash support bottle block [TS]

  and I go right well maybe the server had hiccup there I tried again [TS]

  and I went you know the try again button the bottom didn't work [TS]

  and I said well maybe something with my wife I never let me try to over cellular So I turned off the wife I did forget [TS]

  this network tried over cellular same message activation server as a temporary unavailable I think the exact wording of [TS]

  the message was something like this. [TS]

  The error message is you know I haven't been a real bearing on what's actually going on [TS]

  but that was the error message I got and so I put it aside and you know continue working for the rest that day [TS]

  and try it again later and I'm still going on my guy. [TS]

  Well it said like try again and a few minutes and the problem persists in like one other problem is persisting. [TS]

  So I contacted Verizon to try to figure with the promise because of that activation problem as I have got this new i [TS]

  Phone just came out of the box. I can't activated and there's a little like on the first screen said hello. [TS]

  Or in several languages low high [TS]

  and low in a circle lower right corner if you tap that it gives you all your information about the phone like the semi [TS]

  Dini I.M.E.I. [TS]

  Di and all those different numbers and I got to have enough information [TS]

  and coverage in here so I spent a while talking to Verizon they got disconnected call back again [TS]

  and got disconnected again like just frozen stone support there. Their phone system is not great. [TS]

  People who work there. Same you know nice enough they. [TS]

  Our last knew what they were doing or could transfer me to someone who did [TS]

  but that the this is not good for a phone company that the audio quality of the phone interface as there are just [TS]

  terrible just sounds all static engross I get disconnected a lot like I did disconnect in mid-sentence [TS]

  and people I know not disconnecting me there in the middle talking and boom you know. [TS]

  And the worst part is and whatever call center there and you can hear all the conversations going on around them. [TS]

  I can listen to that like this is the basic requirement of a call center I should be able to hear other people's [TS]

  conversations like a privacy concern more than anything else [TS]

  or to sound like they were calling from Grand Central Station which is so grand central station is a post office [TS]

  or the terminal I was waiting for. Thank you Martin. [TS]

  Frankenstein's monster I don't know about it though I feel for these people's work environment anyway. [TS]

  They looked everything up until I go K. [TS]

  Well they went through this thing like Oh make sure this number is activated figured out what my cell phone number is [TS]

  because I couldn't since I have a track phone [TS]

  when you buy the i Phone online you can't port your number during the night you can only bring it for if it's another [TS]

  horizon number something you can't like. [TS]

  Basically if you have a track phone [TS]

  and you want to learn out of online you have to let them give you numbers just fine [TS]

  but I just wanted to get activated on the new number so for as an activated my number tell me it was this is my wife's [TS]

  horizon account so I had to go through the whole rigmarole every time I call explain that I'm not the account owner [TS]

  eventually worked it out so I'm allowed to do this now [TS]

  but they did a lot of calling her to ask for permission for me to do things their way [TS]

  and they feel like everything is active you know after going to like five or six people on several calls [TS]

  and several transfers are working my way up to people quieter and quieter offices. [TS]

  I'm talking to somebody like my third call and in my seventh transfer who I could not hear anything in the background. [TS]

  This person actually had a nice office know I cook everything on our end is active your phone number is activated [TS]

  betrayed every possible remedy up to and including taking the sim out [TS]

  and putting it back in which led me to tweet which I now regret. [TS]

  Come a similar route tools anymore [TS]

  and then for the next month I'll be getting tweets from people telling me where they did [TS]

  or didn't get assembled So bottom line is everybody thinks whatever their experience with phones are with i Phones is [TS]

  the same for everybody so some people like I always get a similar rule to all the other people like I've never gotten [TS]

  one and the other B. [TS]

  Will tell me what the Apple store told them about and I have no idea if this is him [TS]

  or Moto in my case I have not yet found it yes I've looked in the paper packet. [TS]

  No it's not connected to the cardboard thing with a little semicircle thing that folds out like many peoples I mean [TS]

  screenshots of I'm willing to believe that it's still in there somewhere and I haven't found it. [TS]

  But anyway it's not obvious. Doesn't matter you could have caught but anyway ignore them then and you delete the tweet. [TS]

  I mean like it was more I was really asking questions like I'm using like these things not come with are now I think I [TS]

  said What the. [TS]

  And eventually I'll let in stories I got for the Apple Support [TS]

  and they told me I asked about the SIM removal tool in the present [TS]

  and really knowing it like I think it only comes with unlocked phones [TS]

  and people I know I've bought on the phone to never had one Oh I bought lock Phones [TS]

  and i always have one like every possible combination of answer I've gotten for people. [TS]

  Yeah I've bought my phones before about license before I've never gotten a little in any of them here like all you only [TS]

  get a similar tool if your phone doesn't come with the same basic like it there's no sim inside the phone [TS]

  when you buy it then you get into a you know I would use a paperclip for the longest time I thought some rouble two was [TS]

  a joke. [TS]

  Yet no these liquid the liquid metal to make it in the middle a good metal thing like out oh yeah I was wondering like [TS]

  what they're going to use that for [TS]

  and that's kind of it so far that the only thing that we know they use for right where we think I don't know if it ever [TS]

  confirm that they use it for it when they look at a liquid metal and I have no idea. [TS]

  Anyway yeah so they bought a whole company just to replace paper clips as much as they as the best place that you could [TS]

  possibly make it seamless. It's really true if you have the material Now really quickly for the record I have received. [TS]

  Definitely one sim removal saw and it was in circling the little half circle [TS]

  and I noticed that what you're describing earlier so that was my experience but. [TS]

  We've had I don't know something like six or seven i Phone stream the two of us over the last few years [TS]

  and I think I've only gotten maybe one of them that never really occurred to me until you were talking about it earlier [TS]

  today. [TS]

  Yeah I think a lot of people telling me they like that they didn't have a little semicircular thing [TS]

  but that it was kind of buried in with like the quote unquote manual [TS]

  or the little paper packets they give you you know and like that it slides down and there is easy to get lost [TS]

  and I could see that happening I don't see it in mine yet but I haven't torn the thing apart that I really care anyway. [TS]

  We did all during the various calls all the rights given to go through all the Grammys most of which I try to read [TS]

  anyway [TS]

  but I was going to humor them because they were doing things on their end early so they were in response to this thing [TS]

  you know trying to find all I often have things turned back on trying it on on cellular [TS]

  and not doing a restore from i Tunes where you put it into recovery mode [TS]

  when flying by the way this is the same time that the I was eight point one point one release came out so people like [TS]

  oh that's what the problem is Apple servers are down because of the release [TS]

  but Apple servers this is all before even call the checkers our service status page I don't mind exhausted my [TS]

  possibilities before calling for writing to him [TS]

  and rather than having to redo a lot of things that I had already done [TS]

  but I'm like well whatever it was nice because I had already downloaded all the software updates so I didn't have to [TS]

  wait for the you know one point nine gig download of virus a one liner whatever was you know before you leave the [TS]

  Verizon topic because I assume they did not fix your problem because they never fix any problems because every time so [TS]

  when I was a horizon was customer for a few years before the i Phone came out. [TS]

  Every time I called horizon to do anything to my account they messed it up like whether it was adding a data plan [TS]

  or moving services like changing things I think question every single time they touch the account they messed it up in [TS]

  some horrible way that would cause me to get like triple billed [TS]

  or they would like remove the plan for the first half of the month that would that was theirs that I be billed at the [TS]

  per minute rate. Like all this crazy stuff they would do everything they did. Screwed something up. [TS]

  Yeah I was kind of afraid to ask him about that because like when I [TS]

  when I did the I did this for me Apple online store which I had to explain to several. [TS]

  People are very confused about this. [TS]

  You know Store want to say Store dot com like that's where I went because they thought I was an Apple retail store [TS]

  likely should have acted that for you before you left the store like no store and [TS]

  when you do that it asks you like are you adding an existing line and I want you to put in the previous number [TS]

  and enter my wife's i Phone Line and all her information [TS]

  and ask for crazy information about your horizon account username your billing password which is different than your [TS]

  regular password. [TS]

  Last four digits of your Social Security number the horizon phone thing has you this is like I think I told the story [TS]

  for the first time I was on a telephone answering tree type thing [TS]

  and I got too many of them want me to say what I wanted to happen [TS]

  and act froze because I was like What do you mean to say. [TS]

  Could they have possibly have a system that you know with a limited vocabulary can deduce Peter [TS]

  and so my brain is just trying to think of like they're like whatever and I think maybe seven [TS]

  or whatever they were going to try to think Is this to be possible or some playing a joke on me [TS]

  but this one I think this is the first one is to me they want to they said Please enter the password for your horizon [TS]

  wireless account. [TS]

  And like I'm calling you want to phone number pad you want me to enter my path [TS]

  but that would reduce the possibilities by like a factor of like I'm trying to do the math in my head of like how many [TS]

  passwords are now hash of the same bucket because like you know that's not going to have three different letters on it. [TS]

  And here's the best thing about that Ari's I got I have to be an old pro this because I called the million times every [TS]

  time it's like sort of figured out their menu system to like hold on is Iraq even speak a certain phrase to get to the [TS]

  voice thing and then get eventually will ask you to enter your eyes [TS]

  and password which you type out on the number pad like just pick whichever number help the letter you want to capital [TS]

  markets don't matter and you know if it's anywhere and his group of letters doesn't matter. [TS]

  Every time I did it the first time it told me the password didn't match I was going to believe the first two is. [TS]

  The times that I had mistyped at the first time [TS]

  but always worked on the second try it's like seventh time I was doing it like you know this never works in the first [TS]

  maybe the first letter is missed because I'm not I don't know what the problem is anyway that their system is very [TS]

  weird. [TS]

  So I did all that stuff and they basically did everything they could do [TS]

  and there are like I exhausted to this I exhausted all support possibilities of rising up because they were not doing [TS]

  what they could [TS]

  but they did everything they could they said this number is active it's active in our system here is what it is here's [TS]

  all you know like your account is in good standing it's connected to the right account it's like just everything as far [TS]

  as they're concerned is working [TS]

  and I was totally willing to believe that because it seemed to me like this the software I'm going through these you [TS]

  know white screens the beginning oh i Phone set up connect to Apple servers to do something. [TS]

  Apple servers and probably connect of rosin servers [TS]

  but the bottom line is I would totally imagine that I was using Apple software on an Apple device that's going to an [TS]

  Apple server and it's giving me a response that says something [TS]

  and I'm getting the you know server is unavailable even though an apple status pages as a server is available so that [TS]

  was the end of horizon [TS]

  and the present helpfully connected me transfer me directly from horizon to an Apple support person to a knowledgeable [TS]

  Apple support person not just like you know if they have a like a direct line in on like the good you know I mean the [TS]

  higher tier support people so I didn't have to go through the lower tier of apples for picking for the higher tier [TS]

  support person [TS]

  and the Apple support person was excellent it was clear they were you know get no voices in the background. [TS]

  Very helpful very professional so I was the top theorising person I gotta say it was a nice they were nice they [TS]

  transfer me over I explained the situation. They looked at everything on there and they have all got started. [TS]

  But explain to me how the system works on their own which I've since forgotten but it's something like gross things [TS]

  or like the i Phone connect to an Apple server the Apple server tries to authenticate with Horizon server [TS]

  and want to get a response back so it can proceed or whatever. [TS]

  It seemed to me that basically if I could if I could have a D.M.'s poison the i Phone and spoof the verizon server [TS]

  and figured out what the correct. [TS]

  Pasty white screens like that everything was fine I guess first rising concern all I need to do is get past the [TS]

  software you know there's probably more to it than that but anyway. [TS]

  They said they can fail [TS]

  but the problem was that they would open a ticket for it to get back to me the next day that was the end of that. [TS]

  Supporting it was like several hours most of it spent on hold or waiting for things I was never that bad. [TS]

  Next day came and you know people gave me the direct number and told the guy told me he was going to be off today [TS]

  but you know said You can call this number. [TS]

  Anyway someone else called me back and they said they figured out what the problem was [TS]

  and it was some problem with I forget [TS]

  but they it's not provisioning profile just in my head from all the Apple developers as you complaining on Twitter all [TS]

  the time like something happened with a profile of a bonus read up on there [TS]

  and then the bottom line it was something that Apple could fix an apple so they didn't fix it [TS]

  and so I tried to i Phone again I got farther [TS]

  and it said your phone number is Bob abroad is that correct I get that's all right [TS]

  and told me it was my phone number and I had the Next button. [TS]

  I still got the error so I had to cough up back again [TS]

  and they said you need to do something special which I don't want to describe because probably some terrible security [TS]

  flaw that they don't want to reveal [TS]

  but anyway there's something special I had to do on the phone to get past that process I did it I got past that process [TS]

  my phone was up and I'm happy so it was [TS]

  but maybe thirty hours thirty six hours after I got the phone plus like maybe three [TS]

  or four hours ahold of various people that I actually did activate my phone the next step of course is to get my old [TS]

  number ported and I began that process of the horizon [TS]

  and I got her number ported to a couple days for it to activate [TS]

  but at least I have a working i Phone right now with a phone number that will soon go away as soon as my old number [TS]

  gets poured All right so how has your life been changed thus far. [TS]

  No although I have the fun ceremony today where like [TS]

  when I got the phone out of the package I didn't put the leather case on the case that I've had for a week [TS]

  or whatever I want to get the phone set up first before is that the case on and I like this is this is a good. [TS]

  When Because if I have to return the storm because of something horrible was wrong with it which by the way I didn't [TS]

  think there was a lot to do or treating I mean once you go to the apples are going to have an Apple retail store [TS]

  but my you know nerd spidey sense is telling me there is nothing wrong as far hardware wise like I can look at it [TS]

  everything worked. [TS]

  Seemed all of the radio seemed to work correctly the sim looked fine like it did not seem like that I need my phone to [TS]

  be swapped all the many people tweeted to me that [TS]

  when they had similar problems they had to get their phones hard to get it activated. [TS]

  I feel like this is all happening on the server side and actually was all happening on the server side. [TS]

  But anyway I was putting off putting the case until is working so I finally got the thing working [TS]

  and you know you got a springboard of it or then finally I could put the case on [TS]

  and now it has become my i Phone case and all and whether his is pretty nice of are does not change my life otherwise. [TS]

  You said more about the case and you have about the fun seriously. [TS]

  Well you know I had an i Phone six vor I know we talked at length about all the sizing things. [TS]

  But I haven't decided I think lower case does make a nice Like I said I've always had a case on my handheld devices so [TS]

  it was not anything new for me in fact it was new for me to use it without a case for a week [TS]

  but I think it definitely improves but the case [TS]

  but this is this is the first time that you're really getting to like move into a phone right. [TS]

  Well I just you know I just started that's like I did when I was a phone [TS]

  and just you know I did set up this new i Phone I find it a restore from i Tunes to find my i Tunes I hate it so much I [TS]

  did a backup of my i Pod Touch right before I knew I was going to do this [TS]

  and I was now going to plug in the i Phone restore from backup and as what do you want to restore from [TS]

  and I see like seven backups. Some of them are like i Phone four G. That I know are like old right. [TS]

  I don't want those but fifty percent of them have dates after them [TS]

  and then a three called John's i Pod Touch that don't have data not alike. [TS]

  Why do some have dates and some don't have dates that make no sense [TS]

  but of course me being a clever long time computer user didn't immediately knew the solution to this problem. [TS]

  Can any of you guess to look at the files and. [TS]

  There modification dates now because the files are [TS]

  and if you know what mobile backups directory looks like there are these big giant hash things you know I want to kind [TS]

  of surprises you just move into an S.S.D. [TS]

  Also how are you still keeping all these backups you can only have the one device you use I have a terabyte S.S.D. [TS]

  I did amazing housecleaning like I move time that I would like all my video and movies this analogy you know [TS]

  and like I have plenty of room left [TS]

  but not like the mobile backups directory is all like the directories are named Big long hexadecimal the other a legal [TS]

  right and right now I know the solution. [TS]

  So all I need to do is plug in my Pod Touch change the name of my i Pod touch something that doesn't exist in a list. [TS]

  Do another backup then does look like raising a menace but that is not how I would call them. [TS]

  That's exactly how do you work for a long enough you learn this is the immediate solution to the problem. [TS]

  I don't care where the actual problem is I don't care why some don't have dates just make work now change it to like [TS]

  you know i Pod Touch This is the one back up and then plug them I thought [TS]

  and they were the one resource I want to start my bother just the moment by the way still did not have a date [TS]

  but that was the right one and then what I learned is for the second handheld device in a row. [TS]

  I'm screwed on my icons because I went from the the you know the three point five inch i Pod Touch to the four inch an [TS]

  extra row of icons and I just went from the four inch the sex and I next row icons again so I spent a while tonight. [TS]

  Rearranging now accounts trying to figure out how I'm going to fill it out [TS]

  and basically rearranging everything into beans [TS]

  and within the new thumb sweep so I go top row is dead to me now I got to take all the things that he's done up there [TS]

  because they were important like Safari was upper left stars not upper left anymore. [TS]

  So wait so this is this is even more I think revealing than that you that you leave the camera shutter sound on you're [TS]

  saying you don't leave any empty rows and that you actually hate empty rows so much that you fill them when they occur. [TS]

  Why would I leave the room as my back of my US background has always been complete black. [TS]

  There is nothing behind my account. [TS]

  It's complete black [TS]

  but my lock screen is a picture of my dog is it your extended dog it is it is an extended dog by extended dogs I forget [TS]

  who it was but someone with photoshop skills extent of the background of the dog picture I had [TS]

  and finally I got to use it. [TS]

  So as my lock screen [TS]

  but my home screen is all black why would I leave an empty road specially Enduro at the bottom that's prime thumb [TS]

  reaching area. [TS]

  Well well the argument in the past has been both it looks nice [TS]

  and also can give you like some like forgiving a dead swipe zone if you want to look for between pages more easily that [TS]

  you don't need a swipe So when you grab anywhere and swipe it will. [TS]

  I've never actually launch an app for swiping conjuring. [TS]

  Never not once No you don't you don't need to swipe but it helps it's nice. [TS]

  It may make you feel better but like Have you ever accidentally launch an app I try as on a swipe. [TS]

  Probably not [TS]

  but I was leaving them to the end of the row as the only the only purpose for an empty row is what we discussed in the [TS]

  past shows if you have a picture like your kids or something you want to see your beautiful background or a sunset [TS]

  or whatever you want to see more of the picture as the only I think we can reason for the empty room swipe area does [TS]

  not strike me as a legitimate reason. [TS]

  I keep an empty row at the bottom as well and I believe it's because markets said something else [TS]

  or you know let me try that and especially with the new phone. [TS]

  I really think pretty much anything I use on a regular basis is indeed on the first screen with the with the empty row [TS]

  but the empty row has to be on the bottom doesn't it you can't do them here on the top right now which would do well [TS]

  you can if you use underscores the black icons are right that should tell you like the fact we had to use black icons [TS]

  like what were you getting out of that [TS]

  and the row I gave doesn't even make it like symmetrical if you still have a dock at the bottom right. [TS]

  It's you know I don't know I just feel like it looks cleaner that way. [TS]

  It makes no logical sense I'll be the first to tell you but I'm not I just I like it better that way [TS]

  and like I said anything that I use on a regular basis is on that first screen. [TS]

  Now with the empty road you get a bigger foam but you don't put a row and that's when I know I [TS]

  but I added a row so I have one more row than I used to run because I don't have an empty one. [TS]

  You could always not buy one or. [TS]

  Yeah exactly as they were not back filled I had had to promote a bunch of new things to the front page [TS]

  and I have a bunch out in the president to use them much so what did you promote [TS]

  or you will ensure I put the reader on the front page even though I basically only read that I'm i Pad I put instagram [TS]

  i front page I guess I do use that a lot. [TS]

  Yeah have you ever posted a picture of Instagram if you followed me you'd know that I could swear you know what I do [TS]

  not like a grand total of five pictures things through [TS]

  but I look at other people's pictures space going to doing what else on the front page I have all now you have an i [TS]

  Phone Now you actually can take a picture of your breakfast every morning and put it out is not going to change. [TS]

  Having an i Phone will not change my habit of not posting pictures from my life that is not not what I do. [TS]

  Usually you can make an artistic statement and just post a blank black picture every day. [TS]

  No Are you searching on Instagram. [TS]

  No I have I forget woman's name is like every Very I joined so late because I was not you know I didn't have an i Phone [TS]

  I mean it is true [TS]

  but how much on Instagram which is like two years ago I think every variation of my name was taken so I am some big [TS]

  long crazy thing I'll send it on even if I follow you I fall Margo Tivo thinks I don't know if I should follow you now [TS]

  you're going to post something I'd be interested in what baby [TS]

  or you know maybe pictures instead of like concentration of your food. [TS]

  My tolerance for montage of pictures of what people are eating is very low. [TS]

  No no no if you look at my Instagram feed profile whatever it's actually very little food [TS]

  but an extraordinary amount of cars and I should I should do that or give me a C. [TS]

  or Maybe I am following them I say I can't kill seems to be like on the bottom little house magnifying glass on a [TS]

  square hard favorite thing people who know my following I'm going to guess that they hit the people like on the right. [TS]

  OK I got it. No wait no that's just me. [TS]

  It's you know in the oval right followers twenty six [TS]

  and following twenty six people who are top twenty six that's actually a button we have a new segment on the show just [TS]

  John does U.I. Review of an app. Well they are alphabetical it looks like what is you case us. Yeah I'm following you. [TS]

  Oh and you are the way may I share your name or is it a secret as they go to see all five Mr John C. Searches. [TS]

  Yeah and I was already following you and I do recall the beach pictures now that I'm looking at them again. [TS]

  Posted ten pictures total lifetime. [TS]

  Now is that like a firm cap or you plan posing any more ever or do you want to keep it [TS]

  or not I don't think I'm doing Instagram right because all these pictures were not taken with an eye with the bun [TS]

  that's not true. [TS]

  Couple I'm ready to buy sperm most of them were taken with my cancer prism camera when I was on vacation [TS]

  and some of them are [TS]

  but the first one is a scan of a picture in one nine hundred seventy nine so that wasn't taken with an i Phone [TS]

  and i definitely have started cheating and using the Micro Four Thirds camera that that we got [TS]

  and posting some of those pictures Instagram which I will be the first tell you is indeed cheating [TS]

  but I don't really care I don't understand why that's cheating. [TS]

  Like are you sharing images from your life [TS]

  or is are you is it like a video game where you're trying to use your crappy camera that's your I.O.'s device take good [TS]

  pictures. [TS]

  I'm not interested in the video game only interested in the pictures from people's life [TS]

  and that's why I've started cheating and I you know I'm not being repentant about it [TS]

  but what we're complain about Instagram by the way I'm I the only person in the entire world that reads Instagram like [TS]

  I read Twitter. [TS]

  I would think this would be a more common thing you know Twitter the Twitter application I use [TS]

  when I launch it puts me where I last left off and I can scroll retreat retreat [TS]

  and then you know hit the home screen and you know I'm back right when I launch it again. [TS]

  It's right where I left off and it obviously two days I'm going to be missing stuff and go you know within like. [TS]

  Fifteen twenty minutes an hour two hours. [TS]

  If it picks up where I left off every time I wanted to Gram it's Girls me to the top [TS]

  and I have to scroll backwards seventy five pictures to find out like Did people think I don't care about the people I [TS]

  thought I'm not interested in seeing the pictures. [TS]

  What the point of the application I follow you because I want to see the pictures now I had to scroll backwards until I [TS]

  find the one picture of like whatever you know a tree [TS]

  or something that I liked was the last picture I saw the worst part is because a lot of people tweet the same things [TS]

  they put an Instagram so I can see that picture really I must be up to that point [TS]

  but no because I just want to get it on Twitter. [TS]

  Basic functionality for Instagram to the billion dollar company they can send me back to where I was the last time I [TS]

  went to the application or doesn't want to. [TS]

  I could not agree more and actually ended up being worth a lot less than a billion as Facebook stock tanked. [TS]

  Whatever point is they can retain a little bit more state and they are now that that does drive me absolutely nuts. [TS]

  The not holding your position thing. [TS]

  I've never read a complaint about that either I follow a lot of people who are heavy Instagram users are apparently [TS]

  other people don't use Instagram the way I do know I do. [TS]

  When you and I are of the same mold cut from the same old one of the phrase is and I agree with you. [TS]

  They broke the cloth when they made us Casey you know that too. Whatever I know I'm the worst I don't really care. [TS]

  We get John in vine. Don't get me started on vine because vine vine the Vine app is like the Instagram app. [TS]

  A little bit worse in almost every regard. [TS]

  Remember when vine first came out people would tweet vines and you could tap the vine your L. [TS]

  and It would launch in Safari. [TS]

  Oh that's right we didn't think of it on your on your i Pad and you couldn't watch the vine. [TS]

  Yep and I feel like a leisurely on the i Pad I think at some time some vines would have to play [TS]

  and I was like How long does this go on. Months a lot longer than it should have. [TS]

  Yeah and this was it was what like twenty twelve or something like the i Pad to be out for a while at that point [TS]

  and it was like I guess the market's not important we don't want people in Iowa to be able to watch our vines [TS]

  when someone tweets them when I thought it was not. [TS]

  Bother making this this thing work in mobile Safari it's a minor browser we're not interested in [TS]

  and you will never forget how you go through moments like moments where I'm really and they emerge with fine [TS]

  but those moments last like forty five seconds when I think of something clever to vine [TS]

  and then I almost have no use for it outside of that [TS]

  and it seems like a great idea just never really used to it I don't see myself ever posting a vine sometimes you can [TS]

  see ones that are clever but I just feel like I do and you tube instead. Well it's a very different thing. [TS]

  I know [TS]

  but like at least You Tube has a client ecosystem where I feel confident that I can watch what you produce instead of [TS]

  it being some sort of game or have to try to get my try to get your thirty second movie to play or three seconds [TS]

  or ten seconds. [TS]

  It's the occurrence of the other silly I hate watching it on You Tube because You Tube is such garbage itself like the [TS]

  experience of what's known as terrible it always covered all the little rectangles an ad [TS]

  and everything the apps are terrible [TS]

  and like like there I know there's all this great stuff going on in the You Tube ecosystem of this great like so I even [TS]

  have like a few things I subscribe to because like things like I aspirational we want to watch youtube frequently so I [TS]

  never actually do. [TS]

  But there's you know funny stuff like C G P Grey's this is new video like it's like stuff I want to follow [TS]

  and I just never go to You Tube to watch it because I just hate I hate everything on the I hate everything about you do [TS]

  they have the You Tube out my want to play with each of ads as they did then opposite Instapaper where I want to I want [TS]

  to be using You Tube like I use Instapaper which is probably not a healthy way either [TS]

  but it's the way you use it where everything I look at that I'm interested in like I don't have time to read that now [TS]

  but I will read later and I do it like crazy so much so that my Instapaper queue is gigantic [TS]

  and I know I'm never going to get like things go by like I just keep shoving on this cue every once in a while I go [TS]

  back through it and read the part of their thing. [TS]

  I'm never going to go back to [TS]

  but the key feature of Instapaper with regard to his work flow is they want to launch the app. [TS]

  The thing at the top of the app is the most recent thing that I added so gives me a fighting chance. [TS]

  You Tube On the other hand puts things in the watch later thing at the end. [TS]

  So when I watch the youtube application go to my watch waiting list I have to scroll [TS]

  and then it says Click here for more load. [TS]

  Scroll Click here for more load scroll Click here for more loads and then I get down to the one I added like [TS]

  and it's just ridiculous. [TS]

  I think I may have one hundred [TS]

  and something in my watch later queue which I think is not unreasonable considering the size of my Instapaper gear [TS]

  which Margot knew when he was running the thing and probably doesn't want to know now it's ridiculous [TS]

  but it really hampers my ability to go I still do it because I still go back down there to get stuff [TS]

  and then after I watch some I tried to lead them from the watch later queue [TS]

  and you do that tells me it was an error trying to delete them and I try to remind them out on the web interface later. [TS]

  Nice Now what I would recommend is because I only follow followers supporters words [TS]

  but I only subscribe to a couple of You Tube channels. [TS]

  Ray being one and Whiskers is better elevations another and what I'd done is gone to their video page [TS]

  or what you like their uploads page and then grabbed an R.S.S. [TS]

  Feed from there and just stuck that in feed Wrangler [TS]

  and I find that that works pretty well because I just you know is another R.S.S. [TS]

  Item whereas if I had to go to like the You Tube app in order to to check these things out I would I would never watch [TS]

  them they have to think great [TS]

  but like I just got a bunch of channels too like some of the ones you mentioned also via Hart's channels great [TS]

  and secret via our via our channel [TS]

  and what is it that people like this one that is infrequently updated as to how much good things this is scribe to [TS]

  about like You Tube has this problem where it's really good a related search is because my children navigate You Tube [TS]

  entirely by going to one video that leads to another that is there and and it works amazing. [TS]

  Either you can find just because one thing led to the nother they click on something interest them [TS]

  and is entirely viable way it's like their version of channel surfing instead of a slot into the channels or whatever. [TS]

  It amazes me the things they find through this you know sort of word association thing without ever typing anything all [TS]

  they do is click so that works great but [TS]

  when I find something that says like you know how to you know cook some meal part three of seven. [TS]

  Like show me where the other parts are sometimes they're very related like it's amazingly good at showing you here is [TS]

  part four part five part one [TS]

  but doing this in part to people like for you know an outlier the person who put out these videos is trying to give you [TS]

  the meditator like if you put a field that said like maybe this field exist people just don't use it I don't know that [TS]

  said this is a multi-part series and this is part two give me arrow keys are shown those are called playlists [TS]

  and they exist or whatever [TS]

  but any time I land on one of those like it should know if it's part one of the title I want the other parts in it the [TS]

  people didn't enter the metadata and didn't make the post you can do that for me the telling or for assuring [TS]

  and trying to search for part two when you've got all the other parts [TS]

  and you just can't find it because you know it doesn't come up in the search and it's not related videos [TS]

  and it's just you know things could be improved greatly. [TS]

  I understand your frustration with the interface but my I guess that my bottom line is can I watch the video and [TS]

  when I watch You Tube video is better and I was device you just make it full screen everything's black anyway. [TS]

  So that's I feel like I can see the content if I can somehow find it so you really love You Tube and Instagram. [TS]

  I like youtube more than vinyl they are that. [TS]