The Accidental Tech Podcast

80: Tangled in Version Numbers


  I want to see you discipline your kids John. [TS]

  No you don't you know your wife you'll see how ineffectual I am [TS]

  when we meet in person with my kids sometime in the future. [TS]

  Do you use the I'm really disappointed in you approach or don't care. [TS]

  OK you'll learn that you are the least impressive intimidating thick just they get used to you. [TS]

  What happens in so many respects they look up to you [TS]

  and the things that you do have such a profound effect on so many other ways strangers are much better able to control [TS]

  and discipline them until they get used to the strangers and they're scared to have a school year and just ask Aaron. [TS]

  The beginning of the year they're intimidated by you you're an authoritarian at the end of the year the badly behaved [TS]

  kids just like I know that person and they just are given off. OK so let's do some follow up. [TS]

  So let's talk about i Tunes on Windows and this was something that I did not know. [TS]

  So John you've got an interesting tweet in the last week or so. [TS]

  Yeah and obviously none of us know I think [TS]

  but I think on Windows because how many of us I think the last time I even saw it turns on Windows is probably like in [TS]

  my Windows X.P. Boot camp partition it probably made me install on some point and I've probably X. [TS]

  and I lost it when she wants [TS]

  but anyway chucker tweeted that Windows has a bunch of cocoa crap in it apparently there's an obscene D.L.L. [TS]

  and A core video to think or video business failure that you remember of course video is an object of the F.B.I. [TS]

  or The A.B.I. Marco. [TS]

  I've never even heard of it I mean their quick time care but I mean like what you're talking about like that [TS]

  and actually beyond just i Tunes for windows [TS]

  when they need safari for windows there was also a bunch of the stuff they poured over like the whole text system. [TS]

  Yeah which is which is why Safari rendered fonts on Windows the way Macs render fonts. [TS]

  Yeah so anyway I tend to run as has been progressing and obviously it's not stuck in the bad old days [TS]

  when it was I mean it was originally based off those like libraries that they had ported for a quick time for Windows [TS]

  but it has always expanded since then. [TS]

  From what I we've heard from various people who still use i Tunes on Windows despite it. [TS]

  Foundations being you know based partly on cocoa Objective C. Stuff it is still not a good app on Windows. [TS]

  So but it's an excellent app on the math people do not say that either. [TS]

  I mean obviously I see all the feedback that agrees with me [TS]

  but I don't what have you guys been seeing of like toward Twitter feedback an e-mail feedback about i Tunes I'd say I [TS]

  saw probably two thirds in favor of you [TS]

  and one third in our camp roughly would you say the same Arca I didn't really see much about this [TS]

  or that my Twitter stream isn't filled with other things recently [TS]

  but I think I you know I think another point to bring up here which isn't directly related [TS]

  but I think is relevant the way Apple software works on Windows first with Quick Time player back in the early days [TS]

  and then now that with i Tunes I want safari. [TS]

  It angers so many windows people I know they used to be one because it doesn't it doesn't work the way Windows software [TS]

  works it is not a good platform citizen it is not native. [TS]

  It is like you know an Apple Apple is dropped poorly on to Windows. [TS]

  It's always like this giant pile of hacks and windows people hate them. [TS]

  They absolutely hate and Geeks hate them and I think that actually contributes a lot to P.C. [TS]

  Users hatred of Apple sometimes because like you know the geeks have seen quick time player for years [TS]

  and all the crap it did and all the weird stuff it installed in the system tray thing [TS]

  and all this you know that's all the extensions it took and it was it was a really bad citizen. [TS]

  Sorry for Windows didn't catch on for many reasons [TS]

  but that is one of the many reasons that it didn't catch on to give a toll it looks like a weird gross very Who knows. [TS]

  Far for the mac somehow made to virtualize on Windows [TS]

  and they finally can the thing I was a couple years back that they stop developing it. [TS]

  Yeah I think I was about two years ago. [TS]

  Yeah I mean it which is a shame because Web Kit on Windows is definitely a viable thing to do. [TS]

  Chrome is popular and windows and chrome is not particularly windows like it is more Windows like and Safari was [TS]

  but it just goes to show that Apple could have had it. [TS]

  Viable browser on Windows if they weren't so married to making it look [TS]

  and act as close as possible as the mac version right down to the crazy text rendering that [TS]

  when this people hate it because it would use Clear Type it would use the mac fun rendering which look wrong to [TS]

  everybody who uses Windows. All right. Lightning cables. [TS]

  Apparently this is becoming the fall of the never ends we have some more into the clarification and damage causes [TS]

  and other things to talk about. [TS]

  Never did talk about warranties last time [TS]

  and I said you know if you have a lightning cable that's better something bring in the Apple Store maybe you know maybe [TS]

  I'm wrong but I didn't say what I hoped was clear it apparently wasn't. [TS]

  If you have something with bunny rabbit devices that goes wrong [TS]

  and it's still under warranty you can get a warranty replacement. [TS]

  Now in the case of cables it's still a gray area where if you brand something that was clearly chewed by a cat you are [TS]

  you are you know the mercy of the Apple genius that they want to be nice because I think like damage caused by [TS]

  intentional misuse [TS]

  or suddenly you know I could drop your i Phone in the water unless you had that special Apple Care Plus that gives you [TS]

  replacements anyway. [TS]

  There you know there are nuances to this [TS]

  but in general if you're within the warranty period yes by all means bring it in you'll almost certainly get something [TS]

  that what I was talking about is if you're not in the warranty period and you still have a broken cable [TS]

  and you feel I should have broken after you know a year and a half you can bring that in [TS]

  and they may give you a new one [TS]

  and we got some feedback here from Jim who said the genius of the genius at the apple bar you know what I mean that the [TS]

  standard rule is that you should bring it in before it fully splits like before the casing splits open because they're [TS]

  reluctant to replace it once it is split so it's better to take an early stake in if it looks like it's wearing out [TS]

  or whatever but then that's just one what one person said lots of other people said hey I bought it [TS]

  and it was totally mangled they gave me a new one or both of them [TS]

  and I was like five years old no problem gave me no you know lots of people saying they got new ones [TS]

  and it's not a big deal I don't think anyone wrote in to say they had they took it. [TS]

  A cable that was damaged and got turned away and you would think you would hear a couple of stories [TS]

  but they were it seems like if you have a damaged cable to go to the Apple store if you're under warranty [TS]

  or if you're nice or both You'll probably get a new one [TS]

  and for the damage caused all manner of people speculated about what might be causing it like ours aren't broken every [TS]

  else is our and we talk about pulling it out by the cable. [TS]

  Another common thing cited by a lot of people responding to us who a lot of people attributed this advice travel teens [TS]

  as well is don't use your Iowa's device while it's plugged in you know to the charger [TS]

  or whatever because obviously protection strain on the thing and I think one person I would hit save the tree [TS]

  but I didn't one person said they had taken to using their i Pad with a lightning cable plugged in the bottom with the [TS]

  i Pad resting on the lightning cables so I can you know in portrait orientation resting on the lighting cable that is [TS]

  not you know that's exactly what people like us are thinking like what are these children to their Cable who they [TS]

  arresting people when they read their book don't do that that's not that's terrible for the cable. [TS]

  Yeah yeah I just turned upside down you better want to research now into yet another beer and as you can do that [TS]

  and not every app supports that right because that's our intention that assets actually explicitly support [TS]

  and how about Cindy Shetty shooting. Yeah good job I'm glad you tried to pronounce that one. [TS]

  See I'm assuming said you're right about cable sheep being quote Johnny Ive situation well sort of tell me about this [TS]

  was a couple weeks ago saying you know it could be I was mostly joking [TS]

  but I'm saying it could be one of those situations where the string really looks nicer [TS]

  when it doesn't look like a traditional strain relief like the little you know concentric rings or ridges [TS]

  or whatever instead of cables is of a smooth for the thicker sleeve over the connector [TS]

  and we've got a link to a Reddit thread were some of that used to work for Apple claims that that is exactly the case [TS]

  but the basis of this claims of making these claims I can tell is not particularly Saudis as the saying industrial [TS]

  design run. Everything at Apple and he find a totally plausible that you know he says they just resign. [TS]

  Hartman hates how much strain really looks like a power adapter. [TS]

  They would much prefer to have a nice clean transition between the cable and the plug but it's not you know [TS]

  and that is I'm sure the engineering division gave every reason a robust range of relief should look like the little [TS]

  rings and I'm sure they got overwritten. So it's kind of like hearsay and speculation. [TS]

  Slightly more support because this person used the work of Apple [TS]

  and he's claiming to know that the industrial design department itself little ring pattern type thing. [TS]

  I don't know when I was reading this thing I was looking down on my headphones that are in my head now [TS]

  and they just happened to have a strain relief thing of the cable going into the headphone part. [TS]

  It looks like Apple is it because Sony's engineers hate the little rings too I think that thicker sleeve type thing is [TS]

  a vaguely plausible technique for strain relief. [TS]

  It's just not a sturdy is the ring thing because the Rings you know like [TS]

  when you bend at the Rings knock into each other and make sort of a smooth curve. [TS]

  But anyway I'm sure most of the doing here this is not new information then they know how many lightning cables are out [TS]

  there you know how many replacements they have to hand out. If it's a problem. [TS]

  They will you know address it by either continuing to give out free cables [TS]

  or maybe the next version will build a stronger will say yes whatever it's worth I have a large quantity of headphones [TS]

  within eyesight right now and I just took a look around as you were describing that [TS]

  and none of them have the little like Gap ridge pattern. [TS]

  All of them just have little cuts at best similar to the apple. [TS]

  And maybe it's like an expectation of like how much you know people don't expect to be yanking on the cable that goes [TS]

  into your headphones right. You know even if you're dancing around your head phone cables. I mean I don't like it. [TS]

  It's an expectation of you know what is what does a typical usage look like [TS]

  and I think Apple appears to have misjudged the stress and strain of typical usage of lightning cables. [TS]

  If our feedback is to be believed you need now kind. [TS]

  Sort of speaking of lightning cables Frank generally wrote in to you to say that you were slightly incorrect about an [TS]

  assertion you made regarding the cables. Tell me more about this information was correct it was incomplete. [TS]

  I said knowing how to orient an apple U.S.B. Connectors to look for the logo the logo faces up.. [TS]

  If it's a horizontal connector an Apple device that is true that is also true for non-U.S. Apple U.S.B. [TS]

  Devices the logo facing up thing is a part of the U.S.B. Standard. [TS]

  So of course that doesn't mean that everybody does it because there are plenty of vaguely compliant U.S.B. [TS]

  Devices out there on the market as we all know sometimes they don't even fit in the plugs [TS]

  or they said they were going without the U.S.B. [TS]

  Standard not an Apple standard in fact I wonder if Apple is actually in violation of the standard because it doesn't [TS]

  embossed the little U.S.B. Logo just sort of prints it on their. [TS]

  I don't know I didn't actually read the thing in the Standard to see if it demands that it be in boss versus a printed [TS]

  thing. But but there you go it's not just Apple that will work for you everywhere. [TS]

  Excellent men were cruising to this follow up I was just a little bit more. [TS]

  There is a mac that is sold with an optical drive a lot of listeners came out of the woodwork to tell us that the [TS]

  thirteen inch MacBook Pro non retina just the thirteen inch MacBook Pro is still a thing. [TS]

  It still has a platter hard drive and it still has a onboard Super Drive. [TS]

  And actually I just noticed it's labeled in the specifications page as an eight X. [TS]

  Super Drive which just made me remember do you remember back in the days when they were just CD burners [TS]

  and there were like fifty two X. CD readers and they were like eight X. [TS]

  Burners and all man you thought you were so cool when you had like a fifty two X. [TS]

  Reader and you could you know load whatever you know when Commander three wax too old [TS]

  but you know I'm driving at you know one of these old CD based games in no time in the loading times for instance. [TS]

  Well John doesn't remember this but you remember this Marco I assume. [TS]

  The days well the loading times were an instant because first you hear the CD spin up [TS]

  and then spin a further they're all the needs. [TS]

  So everything would just freeze on your computer while this happened because I think I think this would be for more [TS]

  advanced busses I think at that time the type of ID [TS]

  but they put into one device would monopolize the whole bus still and which was later alleviated I think but [TS]

  but at that time it would and so they would like as you'd sit there hearing that whirlwind spin up and spin up [TS]

  and spin up everything would just lock on a computer all it happened was it was a great time for computers there was [TS]

  also the Kenwood one hundred X. [TS]

  Drive which used if I remember correctly seven lasers in parallel and a spinning speed or something like twelve X. [TS]

  and and I actually had one of these [TS]

  and it was a really nice drive because it was it was way quieter than all the other ones. [TS]

  But for whatever reason I never caught on probably just the complexity of it. Well you know the X.'s and like the two X. [TS]

  Five X. Fifty two X. Taht isn't at times the normal data rate for the one X. [TS]

  CD-ROM which assume it's like one hundred fifty killed by the second per X. [TS]

  Ray it's ridiculous so that's why an eight X. T.V. Is putting out way more data than a hundred X. [TS]

  CD because the data rate just you know from how much you get from a one expanding T.V. [TS]

  Day is yet a reset the rape D.V.D. I believe it's something D.V.D. [TS]

  Is something like nine times the CD Speed something like that and then I never heard interviews again. [TS]

  Yeah I remember just having a fifty two extra of the year I was so awesome in [TS]

  and especially since I had my first CD-ROM drive was when you're early on [TS]

  and it was actually was the term was a caddy where you put the CD in a plastic thing with a lid on it [TS]

  and then you stuck the plastic thing with the lid on it that had the CD inside of it into the CD-ROM drive [TS]

  and it was slower than dirt and I remember playing like where in the World is Carmen Sandiego on this [TS]

  and God It was so cool. Think This Was A three eighty six machine that we had and then we made it. [TS]

  How can fast my putting him after a processor on it. Man those were the days. [TS]

  The good time for us to appreciate Apple's U.R.L. [TS]

  Rotten on their website because that link for the thirteen inch MacBook Pro with an opposite Dr OF THE YEAR OLD Triple [TS]

  W. Apple dot com slash MacBook Pro slash specs that's the whole U.R.L. [TS]

  I checked like three times like that I put the wrong link in their MacBook Pro slash specs is the link to the one with [TS]

  the optical drive. [TS]

  The ones to the current MacBook Pros not were pro hyphen specs hype [TS]

  and retina weird so like they are not I mean normally they do replacement likes of the new MacBook Pros You know that [TS]

  like the O S ten gauge like there's a main temptation and like Flash preview or stand for the new version and [TS]

  when the new version is released you know Yosemite will just be a plain old flash I was ten or whatever the or else [TS]

  but somehow retina got stuck in your role and I didn't do for placement on it [TS]

  and they didn't manage to redirect what they need to they need to work on that at least there's no doubt a wall at the [TS]

  end of it with us do you think will be the last apple product to include a spinning disk [TS]

  and your choices are probably that MacBook Pro The Macmini the i Pod Classic [TS]

  or the IMAX the MacMini come about there was an option they were a spinning disk like a hard drive. [TS]

  I'm going to say the I'm back. [TS]

  Normally I would say the IMAX I think you're right I think the chaps all saying Mini I would actually vote for the i [TS]

  Pod Classic because the thing is just it's an undead zombie product it will never be killed if they just never get rid [TS]

  of it. Right you're right it will wear it will win for him to win by never ever changing but only if you're interested. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  and I could totally see them like you know the design in the next three to having drives are pretty large like physically [TS]

  and I can totally see them designing You know one or two generations from now [TS]

  and I'm back that is much thinner across the whole thing not without that big like pyramid in the back. [TS]

  Much thinner and. [TS]

  All solved a just just like a MacBook Pro and that's [TS]

  but that's what I think the Mini will go because his whole thing is it's small [TS]

  and you know it's you don't expected to have tons of internal storage sort of the whole as a stable like everything [TS]

  around smells like see it as like a terabyte drive three [TS]

  and half inch a terabyte drive you have an apples apples already not like do they even offer a four terabyte in the end [TS]

  I don't think they do it [TS]

  and if other three right I know that they're always like I'm going to like it there's going to be one machine left they [TS]

  can actually have that actually has enough room for a three and a half inch drive. [TS]

  It can be an activity it's a gated by the size of the screen I guess maybe about it think about bulge being so big that [TS]

  I have two point five inch drives in the car and i Phone You know they saw three [TS]

  and that's exactly I was going to ask those they say Sharon says this two point five in the current IMAX so I don't [TS]

  think that's true. [TS]

  I thought it was three people in the chat room Saturday [TS]

  and three people in a room are never wrong so do three terabyte hard disks at two point five inches exist I don't think [TS]

  they do. All right now that now is the sense in the chair on the phone we could look this up somewhere. [TS]

  I fix it I can only go so quickly. [TS]

  All right and I will move on [TS]

  and get that out you know if I'm right I'm to leave then of course you are that sure looks like a tear down it has a [TS]

  three [TS]

  and having to drive to me out it's already posted if this is the most recent one yet in the chat posted this link that [TS]

  clearly shows a three [TS]

  and a half inch drill I was with you I thought I was about to call you out say no I'm pretty sure they're in starters [TS]

  in the chat says two and a half in the twenty one inch IMAX and three and a half in the twenty seven. [TS]

  Well interesting you have failed me for the last time chat room. I'm sure that's a pop culture reference I'm missing. [TS]

  But anyway. Oh Lord yeah yeah let's move on. So speaking of follow up that never ends. [TS]

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  and this John Casey said that well if you were just a patient person you would have been OK [TS]

  and it will be in the coming months [TS]

  but let me tell you my seventy five seventy five Internet as I think it one of the e-mails of the original I don't know [TS]

  but I would assume so right. [TS]

  I'll just patiently let me repent publicly that I apparently that quote was from Star Wars now the Internet hates me [TS]

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  OK so we had a request from a dear friend of the show Marilyn Manson and he had asked and I will quote him. [TS]

  I'd love to hear John's thoughts on the Tivo Romeo O.T. A who it's good for and why and is it worth it given the fee. [TS]

  Now I know nothing about Tivo so John can you start by explaining to me what makes the Tivo Romeo ot a different than [TS]

  other Chivas do you know that it's not pronounced Attah. We do not want to go at that. So it's not out yet. [TS]

  If I read a preview on C.N.N. That's the only information I have about this thing.. [TS]

  That old Romeo's they're bringing for the current line of Tivo D.V.R. Go hard drive and it's going to C.P.U. [TS]

  It will record television that comes into your house like the name says get over the air that the capital T. [TS]

  Is thrumming anyway. [TS]

  Yes it gets over the air broadcast and it doesn't take in cable through either cable card [TS]

  or any I get it gets kind of innovation from an antenna over the air and that's all it does [TS]

  and it's interesting because I think this is the first Tivo since way back [TS]

  when since you know I may be the first version I don't remember the first series too [TS]

  and I've always had a hook at the cable so I don't remember what the old over the air analog stuff was like [TS]

  but this one does not take cable input and it's only fifty bucks for the box and it's little tiny box. [TS]

  It has a small hard drive fifty bucks you wouldn't expect much of the five hundred [TS]

  but our driver doesn't actually hold that much high def video. [TS]

  I guess for tuners which is nice because it used to be fourteen as was the top of the line so they're making some [TS]

  progress there and making the technology go down market and it costs fifteen dollars a month [TS]

  and I think from looking at the scene at Oracle I don't think there's a lifetime thing or other T.V. Shows. [TS]

  If you don't want to pay a monthly fee for the Tivo service you can just pay some upfront [TS]

  and if you plan on keeping it and using it for more than X. [TS]

  Number of years you can do the math and figure out what makes more sense for you. [TS]

  I always buy the lifetime stuff with my Tivo because I use them until they die [TS]

  and that haven't actually died yet so I use them until I buy a new Tivo. [TS]

  I use them until I have got my money's worth out of the lifetime service frequently [TS]

  but I don't think there's any life time services for developing So yes it's super cheap. [TS]

  But then you have to pay fifteen dollars a month or so. [TS]

  Who is a good forum why I think it may be a good for Tivo the company because it's a way to. [TS]

  At fifty dollars it will trip people into buying because it's like oh it's so cheap. [TS]

  You know that I'm a cord cutter I don't have cable service or whatever but I like to watch my local sports [TS]

  or whatever something else that I can get in a convenient way to get a fifty dollar box or hook it up to my T.V. [TS]

  I'll be able to record local sports games begin to use the same Tivo interfaces on the big fancy boxes which as we know [TS]

  the last show doesn't use Flash anymore it isn't horrendously slow which is nice and you know and they don't either. [TS]

  Don't think too much about it [TS]

  or figure they'll just you know stomach the fifteen dollars a month for a couple months to see if they like it [TS]

  and the reason I think this is good for Tivo is because once you get used to that experience like especially with cord [TS]

  cutters who used to you know firing up the Apple T.V. [TS]

  or Watching some of their around their i Pad Tivo is super convenient like once you hook it up to your television you [TS]

  stop using your television the way you used to and you get used to the convenience of having a built in D.V.R. [TS]

  Right there like it's a screen you go to when you want to watch television and there's all your stuff [TS]

  and you say why did the same thing with my Apple T.V. or I do the same thing with H.B.O. [TS]

  GO I guess you know the chemistry of that or shared password order [TS]

  but in my experience having used all these different kinds of ways to get video Tivo is the most like old T.V. [TS]

  or You said then if any television turn on and they're you know points out of the T.V. [TS]

  and There's your stuff and there's no booting and there's no launching [TS]

  and there's no waiting for it to wake from sleep in there's no doing any of the stuff even if it's not a fast sender [TS]

  because the world is a convincing sort of replacement for your television. That changes the way you watch T.V. [TS]

  and The reason I say this is good for Tivo [TS]

  and not for people buying this thing is because once you get used to this you're going to want to watch all your T.V. [TS]

  This way or any of any television that you watch on a television set. [TS]

  I really feel like a bunch people get used to watching a television like that that are going to turn on look for the [TS]

  show they want to watch and remember oh yeah I have to watch that on an Apple T.V. [TS]

  and I got to switch inputs and go over to the thing [TS]

  and then wait for the Apple hooey to wake from sleep in the little thing around. [TS]

  Hold on and then you've got to get back to a top level thing going to the app they want and then again i Tunes there. [TS]

  It's just it is you know it's not it's not a nice experience is Tivo [TS]

  and a tiny hard drive not going to hold that much stuff [TS]

  and fifteen dollars a month is just brutal so I can't imagine someone I would not recommend this box to anybody. [TS]

  If someone wants to record television that comes into their house in real time to time shift it for later. [TS]

  I would recommend they get the user cable company D.V.R. If they want to get something super cheap and terrible. [TS]

  A lot many people tell me they like their cable but I way it can be an expensive [TS]

  or they get a good Tivo I think this is like the thin edge of a wedge for TIVO just trying to say you know we think [TS]

  that if we're going to get our interface in front of people they will realize that it's a nicer way to watch television [TS]

  than almost any of the other alternatives [TS]

  and I agree with them it is better I watch most of my television on Tivo if I can help it. [TS]

  It is nicer than all the other ways I have to watch television. [TS]

  It's a shame this doesn't include the streaming stuff I don't know why cheaping out or whatever [TS]

  but like the fancy Tivo as have you can watch stuff you can transfer stuff to your i Pad [TS]

  and then take your i Pad like on a plane [TS]

  or watch something you pull if you Tivo you can watch it by streaming it over the network from your Tivo to yourself [TS]

  although the bandwidth required to do that with H.D. [TS]

  Video is very terrible I've done it a couple times but doesn't look great [TS]

  but they don't have those features built into the city dollar box you can buy the other much more expensive boxes like [TS]

  a Tivo stream or something that adds capability. [TS]

  ALWAYS a reason not to get this of the I box I don't recommend it for anybody [TS]

  but I do recommend if you have any interest and D.V.R. [TS]

  Us maybe care here's what I reckon is where you want to spend fifteen you know I saw a book so to two months for the [TS]

  fifteen dollars a month service plus if you know as for the thing you just might try it out if you like it. [TS]

  I recommend getting a good Tivo if you don't like it now your out box so what. Not a big deal. [TS]

  That's basically I have to say about this [TS]

  when I first saw this announcement whenever it was yesterday whatever it was at first I was like wow this is really [TS]

  thought about and then I realized first of all in the fifteen dollars a month is wild. [TS]

  Maybe one time have seemed fine [TS]

  and also compared to an entire cable subscription that people are paying compared to what some cable companies charge [TS]

  to rent their stuff that might seem reasonable but compared to what cord cutters are used to that's a lot of money. [TS]

  So I'm a quote cable cutter. I cancelled my cable service in like two thousand and six. [TS]

  Realizing that I was just not using it enough and I would rather spend that you know eighty bucks a month [TS]

  or whatever was the difference elsewhere and now that I've gone this long without traditional T.V. [TS]

  and You know so I get most of my show either through Netflix [TS]

  or buy them on i Tunes I have to Pirates of occasionally that I can't get any other way. [TS]

  It's very rare now it's almost always i Tunes in the flicks. [TS]

  None of these methods have commercials [TS]

  and none of these methods have like you know the broadcast stream the cross promotion crap you know starting a minute [TS]

  off all this all this crazy stuff that you deal with with T.V. [TS]

  Sometimes or all the time and so when I watch regular T.V. [TS]

  Like you know a family house or there's some like that when I watch regular T.V. It's it is terrible. [TS]

  Like I know I reckon this is a massive problem that disclaimer aside like it is a terrible experience [TS]

  and it's I look at that and I it's like oh make using Windows like I can't believe I ever thought that was normal [TS]

  and so I look at something like this and if if you were kind of person who is not who is not a cord cutter [TS]

  but you're thinking about cutting the cord and you you were looking at this as possibly a way to do it. [TS]

  Great that sounds you know that sounds like a reasonable idea. [TS]

  If you if you already been a cord cutter though I think this will be a lot like going back to visit your high school [TS]

  after you graduate if you going to feel like this is not a good idea. Now this is not like watching regular T.V. [TS]

  You don't have to see the commercials and everything I mean you do still to skip them. [TS]

  I know [TS]

  but it's not as bad as like the reason you were everything is sort of this is because there's something you're missing [TS]

  and I know I have to think that it's the local sports basically one [TS]

  but this is far right because everything else you can. [TS]

  Get or everything else requires cable because you know I go I want to I don't want to be a wash network T.V. [TS]

  I don't know maybe this is for someone who only watches network T.V. But the reason they have a D.V.R. [TS]

  Because you want to watch shows right now you don't want to wait for even twenty four hours. [TS]

  You just don't want to wait for them to appear on Hulu or Apple T.V. [TS]

  or Whatever they're going to hear or you know even H.B.O. [TS]

  Go you don't to be locked out of Game of Thrones because everyone slams H.B.O. [TS]

  GO because they try to broadcast simultaneously and it doesn't work right. I never had that problem. [TS]

  I watch Game of Thrones exactly when it airs. It's part of me that I pay for H.B.O. Right. [TS]

  So it's either because you want to watch. [TS]

  Now if you're super intelligent have a lot of disposable income [TS]

  or because there's something you literally can't get any place else like local sports because there's a local T.V. [TS]

  Blackout and all sorts of crap like that [TS]

  and so that's that's that's the market for this thing I just think even those people are going to be like Jesus Is it [TS]

  really worth I mean do you really have cable again maybe these days you can't get it. Maybe this is still cheaper. [TS]

  Like if you desperately want to see local sports [TS]

  or you can't be there for me you don't want to miss a single second of your favorite team right. [TS]

  Maybe this is the cheapest option. What else. [TS]

  Because the cheapest you can get a cable like it is a give me the most basic of all basic cable. [TS]

  You know like it was I mention a cable company's D.V.R. but Then I realized if you got a cable company's D.V.R. [TS]

  You have to pay for cable and how cheaply can you pay for cable. Probably more expensive than this. [TS]

  Yeah be obese a cable is usually about fifteen bucks a month. [TS]

  The use of a time even at all the fees and everything [TS]

  and it's pretty hard to get those kind of plans these fifteen dollars I would guess are like you couldn't get any cable [TS]

  television with any signal over your house of less than like forty dollars a month. [TS]

  That's standard cable done talking about basic There is almost always a level below standard. [TS]

  They don't really advertise very much but you can ask for. [TS]

  This is a level I had growing up which basically has the networks plus C O W G N N A couple other you know not not not [TS]

  a great selection. The problem I see with this is that it is you know compared to a cord cutter's pay for things. [TS]

  This is not expensive but it's mid priced I would say you know compared to everything else it's it's also though. [TS]

  Actually worse than that a real standard cable package and if you if you have any T.L.C. [TS]

  Antenna [TS]

  and you get enough reception like you can get most of the value of this for free you're just not getting the D.V.R. [TS]

  Part. [TS]

  Well yeah you know you're not going in the commercials all you're paying for is the commercials [TS]

  and in times shifting but that's like that's worthwhile speaking of you know that's the worst watching live T.V. [TS]

  when You can skip commercials like that is the real bottom event like the best you can do is mute during commercials [TS]

  like that is really going back to Windows to use your analogy. [TS]

  That's cool that the DAs have having to skip commercials. It's not so bad and depending I think it's the N.C. [TS]

  Shows don't even have them a commercial break for them without cable. [TS]

  I don't like I think if you like the experience of being able to time shift and being able to see the shows [TS]

  when you want to see them without having to wait another day or whatever and [TS]

  and frankly the reliability of you know of knowing that you're not going to get locked out of H.B.O. [TS]

  Go and you're not going to stream problems or whatever [TS]

  or you're not to be subject to stupid I a species you know throttling your Netflix ban with all sorts of other terrible [TS]

  things that are going on D.V.R. Is like this are still the most reliable way to get Tivo when you to get T.V. [TS]

  when You want it but I just think this is not a very good Tivo because it's so expensive monthly [TS]

  and if you like this like save save more money. [TS]

  I mean you can literally save more like you had to the math is that if you keep this thing to three years it's like the [TS]

  most expensive device Tivo sells because it's so much cheaper to just get one of the more expensive Tivo than to buy a [TS]

  lifetime subscription and keep it for more than three years. [TS]

  You know what I don't understand is if you were a cord cutter. [TS]

  Oftentimes I would imagine it's because you don't want to spend the money on something that you may not either enjoy [TS]

  that much or use that much or what have you. [TS]

  And so if you're in that mindset where you're either I don't mean frugal dismissively [TS]

  but I can think of a better word so for. [TS]

  All in or whatever whatever the reason is your cost sensitive and then you're done. [TS]

  Then people saying well actually now that you saved money by cutting the cord Why don't you pay us fifteen dollars a [TS]

  month for something that really doesn't have that much benefit other than maybe skipping commercials [TS]

  and maybe doing a little bit of time shifting but to me if I'm in that mindset of I'm trying to save money [TS]

  and that's my priority then obviously through the damn commercials it's really not that big a deal. [TS]

  You can't go back to seeing through commercials. Just you just can't all I do it I have a D.V.R. [TS]

  I do it all the time I can't do it anywhere. [TS]

  Like the other Avengers give you the four tuners if you just watch network T.V. They are a bunch O. [TS]

  Be able to give us your grandparents or something and all their watches network T.V. [TS]

  and I have a couple theory shows that as time conflicts to solve the problem right there and you can too. [TS]

  You can tune to all four of the O.T. [TS]

  Eight channels you can actually receive and record them all the same you can you can see all of your T.V. [TS]

  At the same time. That's a problem. [TS]

  It's applying a great feature set to what most people consider a woefully inadequate input. [TS]

  But even people who watch network T.V. Shows regularly they probably also watch cable networks at least one. [TS]

  There's also other things they want to see like that. [TS]

  That's why I'm thinking like this won't appeal to people who like to like T.V. Too much we cancel cable. [TS]

  It won't kill them and it will appeal to cord cutters because it is both too expensive and not good enough. [TS]

  But they spent in this is hidden like the only reason I think this is an interesting product at all is because they [TS]

  chose to price it a fifty dollars as the only reason that worth discussing. [TS]

  Because I think that will get people to try it [TS]

  and I think Tivo is just hoping that they'll try it will get a little bit of money out of them. [TS]

  They've probably calculated the fifteen dollars a month will make up the part of the thing cost more than fifty bucks [TS]

  to make I'm sure. Right so they will get the money at him from our outrageous monthly fee. [TS]

  Maybe a couple of people we will convert to you know I will. [TS]

  Terrible but I will I will get cable again of my interest too with this instead of whatever it was before. [TS]

  All right so let's talk about something else. Let's talk about version numbering. [TS]

  And today we had a little bit of news in so far as there's a new release from our friends at likeability [TS]

  and we're probably going to talk about that in just a few minutes. [TS]

  But Brian Capps from likability wrote a very interesting and relatively brief post on version numbering [TS]

  and I thought it was a really good post because in summary what Brian had said was you know the version numbering [TS]

  especially for major versions. [TS]

  You really don't need a decimal or even multiple decimals when you're on version three of an app just hypothetically. [TS]

  It doesn't need to be three dodo. It doesn't need to be three dodo. It can be just plain three. [TS]

  And I just thought I'd never really thought about version numbering this way until I read this post [TS]

  and I thought it was a really interesting take on things [TS]

  and I would definitely love to hear Marco what your two cents is about this [TS]

  and how do you handle these sorts of things for overcast. [TS]

  That's a good question so I stress a lot about aversion numbers for Instapaper [TS]

  and I I would like you know hold features like I have a big two point two coming out soon I better hold back this good [TS]

  feature. [TS]

  Even with overcast like there's a great feature that I that I finally figured out how to do recently [TS]

  and I thought you know should I actually save this for to point out some mystery point in the future [TS]

  and you know maybe you know get people to pay again for something or something and I thought well [TS]

  and I I realized you know that that was a bad idea. [TS]

  But various reasons but I think the version numbers need to exist for technical reasons. [TS]

  You know that there has to be some kind of identifier for the version for the programmers. [TS]

  But what you exposed to users and to your marketing efforts is of course up to you. [TS]

  I think it's very important to consider version numbers that you're going to be publicizing as marketing. [TS]

  It's part of a marketing message and it probably matters less than you think. [TS]

  Most of the time like so smitten [TS]

  or because of a version of one of the three that have semantic meaning to programmers it means that the base version is [TS]

  one point No it is not a major update because it isn't one point one it's one point of a point three So it's a minor [TS]

  update probably mostly bug fixes not a lot of new features if any so that means something to nerds like us it doesn't [TS]

  mean crap to regular people. [TS]

  You see like if you if you see the version numbers for Facebook or chrome that the Facebook app on i OS [TS]

  or chrome they're comical they're just meaningless numbers and we you know did make fun of them [TS]

  and a Facebook like version twelve point oh change log bug fixes. OK. [TS]

  Rumor that Chrome is like at version two hundred seventy three thousand something and it's like you know Kroger's [TS]

  and commence the base number and you know the fact is they don't really matter to almost anybody. [TS]

  The very very few people. Sorry I was correct in the chat room. [TS]

  The current version of Chrome is thirty eight point zero point two one two five point two four day of sixty four bit. [TS]

  Core not of not great for marketing not not a very you know human readable version [TS]

  but it doesn't matter if you're going to make a major update. [TS]

  Yeah it makes sense to to do you know a new version that that carries meaning to people [TS]

  and that is how you can base your marketing right like it makes it easier for marketing. [TS]

  If you cluster together big releases [TS]

  or big changes into these big like you know whole number releases I think is also that are going to be made which I [TS]

  believe because some of the first mission is a million to John. One of the kids he reached out to her that much. [TS]

  No I don't. Yes I got it right. [TS]

  So Jon Lester put the infant version one that would post in court [TS]

  and could put this in the show notes I haven't read this post [TS]

  but I have a feeling I could figure out what it's about from the title which is does it really matter what version [TS]

  you're ever on. [TS]

  Just keep adding features whenever you can and that's not quite what it's about it's actually pretty old posts [TS]

  but I went to like a thousand times because it's one of those trends that I think some people have seen coming away I [TS]

  mean this is like two thousand and eleven. [TS]

  Like I've been in favor of N Sync going for a long time but other people are either blind to or are [TS]

  or are against because it's different right. [TS]

  The App Store in some ways is kind of holding us back from this because in the App Store if you want to charge money [TS]

  like Markos just alluding to before if you decide you want to charge money for Tweedy you have to you have to market it [TS]

  differently like you have today twenty two [TS]

  and I suppose to be might not necessarily be a version number it could be like a roman numeral like a sequel of a movie [TS]

  sequel [TS]

  but you are forced to do something marketing wise to differentiate the new version from the old one because you want to [TS]

  charge money for it again because is no upgrade pricing so that is possibly keeping versioning alive. [TS]

  That and the fact that apps don't auto update that exist to write it I was they still don't know out there by default. [TS]

  I don't promise you it wants you to tell them to auto update [TS]

  but I don't think it does a by default so I correct anyone thought it was by default. [TS]

  If it does but I can never keep track with it I think the mac doesn't do [TS]

  or maybe I was Does not the way I think that's right. [TS]

  Well the coding Harpo's is about is what chrome did is you have no choice if you run chrome and you [TS]

  and you ever quit chrome and relaunch it like Evil up to his health. [TS]

  It had been quietly downloading in a bid to itself the next time you launch it will install that update. [TS]

  Doesn't really bother you too much about it used to be a little bit more intrusive [TS]

  and give you more options to deferred or maybe say no chrome is going to update it self [TS]

  and this I think is exactly the right strategy for web browsers today. [TS]

  Because you just want to you don't want to get into a situation where the just all versions of the IS can't get people [TS]

  off if we drop support for X. People still use it and or we extend support for experiences. [TS]

  It's terrible like you need browsers to be up to date [TS]

  and so Google's approach is if you are in Chrome we'll shove the current version down your throat. [TS]

  Just deal with it right and as the infinite versions like do you have chrome. [TS]

  It's not what you have yes I have grown what is chrome Chrome was whatever Google says it is now [TS]

  and it will get good will change over time Inc and Google has no problem will totally change the U.I. [TS]

  Will move menu commands around to drive some people nuts drives me nuts [TS]

  and I'm trying to get us to a bell out of the menu bar for the millionth time that is the correct approach. [TS]

  Not to the U.I. [TS]

  Obviously [TS]

  but for the rendering engines like that's the correct approach for the web I wish every browser updated itself like [TS]

  Chrome as a web developer because they would have to deal with that anymore because everyone would be infinitely [TS]

  updated to Chrome thirty seven inch i think it lays stable thirty eight is like the canary thing maybe thirty seven is [TS]

  beta thirty six is main point is I don't want to know how does one know you've got chrome then I think then you have [TS]

  the latest from and there are you know there's different channels to get you know more bleeding edge crimes [TS]

  but in general that is a much nicer place to be now is that the appropriate versioning technique for every single [TS]

  application maybe not today [TS]

  but I think in the future that is a much more viable approach from user's perspective because usually users hate [TS]

  upgrades they don't want to do them and it's kind of like kind of like autosave where you like [TS]

  but But what if I wanted to keep the old version I don't want you shoving the new version demo third involve blood [TS]

  exactly the same thing people say but I want to say that we like [TS]

  but what if I don't I just want to speculative we make changes I don't want to do our Maggie seven want to manually the [TS]

  save button but nobody says that about Iowa. [TS]

  Nobody says I need a save button a notepad sometimes a speculative type things into my note that I don't need a button [TS]

  to save it. Don't autosave No it's just something that used to all of us will die. [TS]

  Future people think it's crazy that we ever had to push a button to manually update our software [TS]

  and just be excepted as the way things are [TS]

  and at that point you know the version number can just be a random string of letters doesn't matter just the unique can [TS]

  be they could be use you you ids for version Oh who cares. Like it's totally pointless. [TS]

  So that's where I think we're going. [TS]

  And hemming and hawing over whether it's three point two or three is kind of pointless. [TS]

  And if the only thing that matters about versioning now and the app store is like Marco said for marketing purposes [TS]

  and then developers can pick revenue market and believe me nobody [TS]

  but us ever looks at that number that's unlikely text next to Facebook that I read the release notes they just you know [TS]

  if it's all updated by default they just know there's a blue dot next to [TS]

  and they don't know what that means an attack on it [TS]

  and it goes away doesn't even get the bleed out of the tunnel it didn't get the you know married out but [TS]

  and you know like what what Brian's point was in this article was was not the version numbers should go away [TS]

  but that we should care about the version numbers and presented nicely to people. [TS]

  When is when it's significant [TS]

  and I think that's not I don't think that's that's that's that important like I think you don't present a version [TS]

  number to people you present the product name to people and tweet to it a product name [TS]

  and is that to a version number who knows who and who cares. [TS]

  Right exactly and furthermore like is twenty two still a product name a month after it's out [TS]

  or do you know it is just tweet event tweet to one point oh the first version of tweets I don't know what they are [TS]

  getting getting tangled up in version numbers is something that really only we like I guess continue if you ask a [TS]

  random person that they know the version number. [TS]

  Any apps on our phones [TS]

  and you know they have no idea in fact the only reason Marco probably knows a version number is his own apps you know [TS]

  pretty much tell me what nobody know and we have [TS]

  and we look at the release not like I do manual updates I turned on the little disclosure thing to say with a change so [TS]

  I can see that one thing that the bug fixes [TS]

  or whatever then like I actually read that I don't know the version numbers. [TS]

  It's interesting to me that over the last few years it's gotten to be important to consider you [TS]

  or else we were just talking about this with Apple earlier and you having clean [TS]

  and easy to understand your L's has gotten pretty important [TS]

  and maybe I'm going to write it what do you think gotten pretty important to me. [TS]

  But I do think this is a recent development in the last few years maybe I'm looking at this through a very Microsoft [TS]

  Developer lens [TS]

  but you know in years past especially in the Microsoft community having these god awful your L's with Dot S.P.X. [TS]

  On the end of it all over the place and just why was nobody but you. [TS]

  But yeah that's always been Grosso there believe may well have been important from day one on the Web The I agree with [TS]

  you Microsoft has historically not considered that to be the case but we've all been laughing at them. [TS]

  Well OK and I think it's more than just Microsoft. [TS]

  Do you remember when When what was it the exclamation hash that Twitter was doing. Did I get that right. [TS]

  Yeah yeah that was because they didn't they didn't start their browser didn't support history push state [TS]

  and so they had they use this crazy thing [TS]

  and yeah they were there was like six months where every major Web site started doing the bang hash thing went with the [TS]

  EXACT of javascript as as I go and everything all encompassing framework for their site it was a very dark time. [TS]

  That was worse than fifty two actually rom drives on our website just say you know what's Grier you're going to be [TS]

  using Brazee have the support history [TS]

  but I think I think even I hate supports that you know that you know I do that kind of hacking [TS]

  or that's why everyone's using Chrome because we could've all been a bit of that center the one I always think of is [TS]

  the hilarious city desk here [TS]

  or else the joke still has a little daughter here is that I think you know I don't want to pick on the Greek in those [TS]

  guys over there with like their windows. [TS]

  The people founded by someone who spent a lot of his formative years in Microsoft and I don't know if it's cause [TS]

  and effect or just a correlation [TS]

  but can you imagine anybody who is sort of an apple nerd apple into this camp ever like choosing that as a you or L. [TS]

  Structure even if like forget about your personal web site where you know I can too and everything. [TS]

  If you're making a product for other people to you you would still be like I don't want people to use my product [TS]

  and have the euro look like this but Joe was like Good good to go thumbs up I think he got shamed into changing [TS]

  and changing the Urals in the software so they're not quite as ugly and I can't even imagine that was an easy change. [TS]

  Like whatever reason it was that way which I I assume the reason it was that way at first was that file names would [TS]

  sort in order because this would be for any of us did natural number sorting and it's filed on our database back [TS]

  and I assume it's just so they could have a big zero padded number that he wouldn't comment because he's a Windows user [TS]

  doesn't sound like he wanted to do like aspirin to have present zero fifty two. [TS]

  Well I did anyway the point I'm driving at is looking at this from a Windows developer's point of view. [TS]

  Rest rest could style your L's got popular I don't know four or five years ago maybe a little more that now [TS]

  and all of a sudden all the Windows developers Windows web developers were like Oh holy crap we should kind of take [TS]

  your all seriously [TS]

  and so over the last few years it again from my point of view over the last few years it got to be really important [TS]

  have really clean your L's and it's interesting to me that that same care are put into your L's [TS]

  and sweating of the details. [TS]

  Those of us who do native applications just didn't really have a similar amount of care for version numbering [TS]

  and I think that Brian's point was just hey we should care about this and this is marketing. [TS]

  It's it can be important to some users and you should you should give a crap and I think that was mostly his point. [TS]

  Who most people care about hurting over this I want to share [TS]

  and point out the MCAS had a longstanding tradition of the three section version of us are major minor and patronage [TS]

  and are major and minor and update [TS]

  or whatever like a down to the the old version resources that are in force that the finder would render by reading [TS]

  their resource and parsing them [TS]

  but there's always been kind of a convention like back in the Apple days there was a version numbers of letters in them [TS]

  so you could that you could have D. Releases which was before altho it had a little a in a name and then B. [TS]

  Would have a visa one point oh you know three year or one point five and sometimes you get an R.C. [TS]

  or An app see thrown in there that it's are all like little idioms and conventions among developers that I. [TS]

  Most users don't have any interaction with [TS]

  but I still think there was care it's not like there was a filename extension it was like one point zero point five [TS]

  that a S.P.X. [TS]

  when You know that that was the worst things of the the worst of the year old in the web was where you would expose the [TS]

  implementation of the web application through an extension in the U.R.L. [TS]

  As if that had any meaning to anything except for your crappy server software. [TS]

  Right like that is the people on the other end of it. Care that it's like a dot asp or dot org dot C.G.I. [TS]

  Like they don't care they don't care what technology used to implement this that that's not entirely true because a lot [TS]

  of people would see slash pages slash something about S.P.X. [TS]

  and They would immediately say Oh that's your point this is going to suck some of that [TS]

  and there was nothing like early early proxy servers would be like well I won't catch anything has that C.G.I. [TS]

  In the oral and all sorts of stupid crap like that it's it's it's the same exact thing as fun [TS]

  and extended anyplace else you are you are overloading your your inlining information into another location because you [TS]

  feel like there's no other place to put it only H.T.T.P. [TS]

  There is totally another place to put it [TS]

  and this piece of information doesn't need to put it anywhere because doesn't matter to anybody except for the server. [TS]

  So it's just stupid and people should not manage that you're all space as if it's as if it's invisible [TS]

  and that the open question of whether that should be visible at all [TS]

  and we'll talk more about that if you're somebody is released I suppose but have we talked about it once [TS]

  when Chrome tried to do that thing to replace the address bar with the thing that doesn't show the address anymore. [TS]

  Oh it was the it was with the awesome bar something right and that was Firefox. Now it's like it was like a U.R.L. [TS]

  They call the U.R.L. Chip it was chrome canary That's right yeah. Might still be there I turned it off. [TS]

  So speaking of look at billet he Marco's anything else you'd like to tell us about these guys as a matter of fact. [TS]

  Yes So we had a last minute sponsor drop out in a few occasion this week. [TS]

  And like literally about an hour before we recorded the show we went to Twitter and said hey anybody want a spot [TS]

  and our friends a likability jumped at it they were the very first ones through. We want to. We will take it. [TS]

  And the reason they were they took it is because there are some people looking billet he is three guys to Matthew [TS]

  Bishop Brian Capps who we just mentioned wrote the article and Andrew Harrison I've definitely hung out with Matthew [TS]

  and Brian a lot. I think in your ears and I saw his Twitter picture inside it looks he looks familiar. [TS]

  I'm pretty sure I've met him. Possibly a New York Times I went with the other two. [TS]

  Anyway Matthew Bishop used to be at the New York Times he's now a tumbler brain caps I believe still is of the New York [TS]

  Times. I mean from wrong. And Andrew Harrison you have not I seen him somewhere so probably the New York Times. [TS]

  These are really great guys and if you follow what they do online you can see that yourself. [TS]

  If you see their work you can see it even more. [TS]

  I mean these are the people who actually wrote the New York Times that [TS]

  and Matthew now works on the tumblr app like these are really high quality high skilled people. [TS]

  And I even talked about on debug how if I was if I was going to hire another programmer I would try very hard to hire [TS]

  Matthew Bishop our probably couldn't get him. [TS]

  But this is how good these people are and what they've chosen to do in their free time. [TS]

  Is a company called like ability and look ability has this after called quote book and quote book version three. [TS]

  There's no thought in that there's no zero there's no large number there's no meaningless number book version three was [TS]

  released today in the App Store so just by coincidence they released a giant new version. [TS]

  It's been eight months in the making. It's a complete redesign and rewrite from the ground up. [TS]

  And just by coincidence they released that today where is the record and that's why they decided to buy the spot. [TS]

  So quote Book three is a universal app for i Phone and i Pad that lets you collect quotes that matter to you [TS]

  and share them anywhere. [TS]

  You can call it you know lines for movies lines from books song lyrics crazy stuff you hear in real life from your [TS]

  friends and family even clips from Twitter you can even save tweets directly into it. [TS]

  All these things are perfect and you can use quote book for all of your quotes are sync via i Cloud. [TS]

  All your devices and I trusted God to to do to do i Cloud right because I know they care a lot and they tested a lot. [TS]

  I was in the beta today. [TS]

  You should see the things they sweat about it the details they worry about are stunning like they really have they have [TS]

  the attention to detail that we wish Apple actually had that we sometimes always has but a lot of times Apple doesn't. [TS]

  They have attention to detail with their stuff. [TS]

  So anyway quotes that are saving quote book three to have an author a source a rating [TS]

  and tags so you can do all sorts of great organizational [TS]

  and search options on these so for example you can say show all quotes about Apple show all quotes from John Syracuse. [TS]

  That's just one tap in the interface to do stuff like that. The app is localized into four languages. [TS]

  It's fully accessible via voice over another accessibility options. [TS]

  All the good stuff you expect from high quality after fell apart is so new in version three also they you can now add [TS]

  images and descriptions to authors [TS]

  and sources you can probably have like you know Little John Syracuse ahead on ON HIS NAME there. [TS]

  They can even pull information and pictures for your authors [TS]

  and sources automatically from Wikipedia if you'd like because Pretty cool it this way. [TS]

  Come on these this kind of feature is like that's just awesome. [TS]

  This is what happens when you take people who are extremely talented at what they do [TS]

  and you give them what is inferior a relatively simple database app and this is what this is how they do it. [TS]

  It's pretty crazy. All the Polish they put into this all the all the awesome feature they put into this. [TS]

  They have really as I said they swear the details like crazy. [TS]

  More things you can autocomplete author's sources and tags from within the app your contacts [TS]

  and your music library so it scans all these data sources on the phone for auto complete information so that as you're [TS]

  typing error completed it's not doing anything creepy [TS]

  or anything like sending it to anybody it's just a local app uses that i Cloud so be it. [TS]

  These are good people doing good stuff here. [TS]

  Let me see what else they can import quotes from your tumblr posts [TS]

  and your Facebook profile so you can ask him to start with you can start organizing things you've already posted. [TS]

  Really great stuff you're good on board experience we talk about those for a whole episode as well. [TS]

  You can then share your quotes after you save them or look them up later you can share them to Facebook Twitter [TS]

  or tumbler and day one now already section even works so it will detect quote on your clipboard from my books [TS]

  and he will even extraction parse the relevant book [TS]

  and author automatically So if you you know hit something my books and i Books a quote switch over to a quote book [TS]

  and it will recognize all that stuff for you. Anyway this is really great. [TS]

  Go to quote book app dot com Once again it is quote book after com download the app [TS]

  or just search for a quote book one word in the App Store. [TS]

  It's five bucks and I can tell you this is worth every penny. [TS]

  These are you know I was going to say I wish these guys would do even more apps but I'm not a participant of this one. [TS]

  It's just man I just want to keep doing this like it's again it's a concept you know the idea of an app to save quotes [TS]

  and sounds simple but there are so many ways that it could have been done with mediocrity. [TS]

  And they did such an incredibly awesome job with it [TS]

  and they have such great values such Freetown it really shows through. [TS]

  So anyway thank you very much to look at military response in our show for a quick look at a quote book after come [TS]

  or look up cookbook in the App Store where we really appreciate and jump in in the last minute like that. [TS]

  All right we got a question from a listener regarding the pod cast patent troll [TS]

  and the question was basically why the crap aren't you three talking about this. [TS]

  I can't verbalize my feelings about it other than I think it's crummy but I don't know John [TS]

  or Mark aware of every one of you added this to the show would you care to explain why you didn't want to talk about it. [TS]

  Now I put it in there and I think well first to recap what it is. [TS]

  There is some patent troll out there that personal audio that thinks they have a patent on my i Pod casting basically [TS]

  if you're doing anything that looks like a podcast we have the patent on that [TS]

  and you were never thought to do it without our hard work and we deserve to be paid. [TS]

  Above all volatile right [TS]

  and they're going after lots of the repond cash is one of the ones they went after with Adam Carolla who was a very [TS]

  popular podcast. [TS]

  It's the world's most popular but I guess is very popular anyway and they did a big lawsuit [TS]

  and he raised a bunch of money along with the FAFSA help me fight off this patent troll he raised like half a million [TS]

  dollars he was going to loss it with them. [TS]

  They decided to drop the suit for whatever reason I think they might have thought that like if they didn't have as much [TS]

  money as he thought they dropped it in a way that they can file it again. [TS]

  For a little while look like he was going to try to continue the fight anyway but basically they both bailed out. [TS]

  They both reserve the right to go back at it again in the future if AFA still trying to get their patent invalidated [TS]

  which this is a sane world should be easy because their patent is dumb in this point in terms of prior arts hopefully [TS]

  that will go well. [TS]

  So the question for the listener is why haven't we talked about this and I think the reason is that well [TS]

  and we're going to go I talk about patents a ton [TS]

  and basically I'm not in favor of any patents on anything so anything that has to do with patents is kind of like [TS]

  and I can argue about this but you know it's all been there. [TS]

  What's your position as I think patents shouldn't exist next question right so I think that Marco has a similar anti [TS]

  patent stance maybe not as severe as mine. No it's the same. Yeah. [TS]

  And so like so that's we're not going to get into the nuances of this type of thing [TS]

  and so we all think this patent trolls terrible they think patents are about. [TS]

  Casey what do you how do you feel about patents. I don't think I have nearly a strong opinion about it. [TS]

  Certainly I don't think software patents should be a thing. I think that's kind of insane. [TS]

  Regular patents I haven't really put enough thought into into it to come to any. [TS]

  Your conclusion [TS]

  but I don't know that's a very good non-answer I suppose the real reason we haven't talked about it though is because [TS]

  the patent system is so absurd and ridiculous that there's nothing to talk about. [TS]

  Like if they decide to come after us we're screwed. [TS]

  Right [TS]

  and that's true of anybody because the patent to litigate a patent case cost way more than half a million dollars of [TS]

  that and grow [TS]

  and actually go through with this case like if they hadn't dropped that he would have needed to raise millions of more [TS]

  dollars. [TS]

  Even when you're in the right [TS]

  and usually you don't get your legal fees back because they all have these things take place in some east Texas Texas [TS]

  court that's incredibly favorable to patent trolls [TS]

  and it's just it's a terrible rigged system that punishes everybody [TS]

  and you know there's there's no point in discussing it like that you know it's like why don't we discuss whether we [TS]

  have struck by lightning struck by lightning. We're dead you know there's nothing you can do about it right. [TS]

  Became but little lightning rods on so the patent system is terrible hopefully we are small enough [TS]

  and all over come after us if they do we're screwed. We all hate patents the end the interesting thing about this case. [TS]

  One of these things about this case is it really what appears to have happened you know the patent is not from somebody [TS]

  familiar with podcasting the patent. [TS]

  If I remember correctly from a write up on ARS forever ago I believe it was something like some guy was like sending [TS]

  cassette tapes through the mail. Watch. [TS]

  Yeah it's even it's bogus it within the realm of even if you believe totally in patents you would look at this new bit [TS]

  like why would they want money for everything just podcast. [TS]

  It's that it was updated I think to not be tapes in the mail [TS]

  and all like whatever doesn't emit like that's why it doesn't matter to argue about the nuances of this if you believe [TS]

  patent as a concept shouldn't exist who cares about the nuances like that's why I don't really have any interest in [TS]

  like well that about tapes [TS]

  or about this summer like it's just bogus like even if he had exactly come out with it with the entire concept of [TS]

  podcasting. [TS]

  It's stupid because I've never heard of him until he started suing people so obviously I get the idea about getting [TS]

  from him oh you got it from the person who got a from the person who got a man like I don't care they don't I don't [TS]

  they don't think they deserve. Any money. [TS]

  That's not how by why I wish the world worked a little the way our legal system works so we just basically shut up [TS]

  and hide right. [TS]

  Marlice pretty much him because you're right like it is it is pretty much a crap shoot with with you know patent patent [TS]

  lawsuit threats from patent trolls or even the term patent trolls thrown around here [TS]

  and there's a lot of you know scapegoating and over patent trolls are a problem. [TS]

  No not really patent a problem and it doesn't matter who owns them. [TS]

  Patents themselves are the problem and even even [TS]

  when used entirely in the way that peoples like storybook version of what they think patents are for protecting some [TS]

  small inventor even when used in that exact quote intended way by people who are really making things supposably [TS]

  and really need protection even then they don't work. [TS]

  Even then they're a net loss on society and that story is so rarely even the case. [TS]

  And all the other times there used are way worse than that but the problem is not trolls. [TS]

  The problem is patents [TS]

  and because of the way our civil legal system is set up in the US You know like if you're attacked by somebody with [TS]

  with with an actual filed lawsuit [TS]

  or the threat of filing a final lawsuit there's pretty much nothing you can do except comply with whatever settlement [TS]

  offer they make you and give the money it's it's really quite quite a racket [TS]

  but there's nothing more anybody can really intelligently do because well you do fight it [TS]

  and you know lose hundreds of thousands if not more millions it will cost you millions of dollars to win a patent yet [TS]

  it actually goes like a trial then you're really screwed [TS]

  but even just to begin to fight even just to begin a lawsuit you will lose all of your money you will lose tons of time [TS]

  you will lose all motivation to work and to do anything. And for what. You know like it's a terrible system. [TS]

  It is if anything in this country is a tax on innovation more than the lack of the government health care. [TS]

  It's the patent system. [TS]

  It's is so incredibly destructive to innovation and is so destructive to small companies [TS]

  and large companies actually to small companies just feel it more and think. [TS]

  And so this is a horrible thing however this particular case I don't think I was [TS]

  and I'm not qualified to talk about because I don't know the much about it [TS]

  and it's you know I agree with John it's not really any different than any other case I think it would have been great [TS]

  if. [TS]

  And his his people succeeded in invalidating the patent because I believe that's what they were going for like they [TS]

  wanted to fight it in court and to win the suit [TS]

  and the reality is part of the court of I mean I don't blame them for selling something like Oh we give you half a [TS]

  million dollars He just spent all that money getting to the point now where they can you know get out of it like the [TS]

  suit was dropped. [TS]

  The company reserves the right to file suit again [TS]

  but it seems that the company has a side of this is not enough money to be had there whatever. [TS]

  But that has an art of the nation I believe is still going forward with the Patent Office itself [TS]

  and saying you can you can like go to the patent office [TS]

  and say we think this patent is invalid you go through this crazy byzantine process to try to get it out [TS]

  and I think you have to still doing that independent about it Carol and aurally. [TS]

  So we can only hope that like the patent troll that Pantra probably have fifty more hands that they can throw out [TS]

  but we can only hope that this handrail by raising its head above [TS]

  and like picking on somebody with that with a microphone [TS]

  and some publicity has caused the best decide to go after them [TS]

  and you know hopefully they get punished for being publicly terrible instead of probably Terrell Cole like a lot just [TS]

  for example you know you mean like Nathan Myhrvold Intellectual Ventures. Yeah all those guys. [TS]

  Let's Lena let's call it right out there. Yes. [TS]

  Babs you know I forget how much I really hate this stuff until we bring it up again [TS]

  and listen to that episode hypercritical or episodes of hypercritical more time to get myself all fired up. [TS]

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  and I volunteered to be on the computer web site Committee. [TS]

  They kind of to me [TS]

  when I said I want to be in it's going to Oh good we're going to redo the website this year we have a budget of three [TS]

  thousand dollars that we're going to we need to pick a new web developer to have them redo our Web site for three [TS]

  thousand dollars and we're also going to you know we're going to go to Wordpress or we're going to buy a theme [TS]

  and we're going to have this designer isn't a new theme and everything in the template is for [TS]

  but I'm like hold up you know give me an hour [TS]

  and I literally in the span of about an hour went to square space took everything off of their old site which is you [TS]

  know it's one of those like you know ten page info sites with a couple of forms here [TS]

  or there it's fairly simple you know a little gallery a calendar stuff like that. [TS]

  I took their entire existing site important into square space gave it a whole custom theme took pictures put it up put [TS]

  a picture as you know put a header image in everything I did all this in an hour of that [TS]

  and I said OK rather than rather than spending three thousand dollars [TS]

  and having some developer involved it's going to be custom work it will take forever I guess did all this for us [TS]

  and we can use that three thousand dollars for any other purpose and to spend ten bucks a month on this. [TS]

  And needless to say I won that that bid my option one and you know this is this is something that I can set up once [TS]

  or they can set it up I could set it up and then just hand it over to them [TS]

  and they can edit things that mess anything up they can change you know if they want to change the colors they can [TS]

  change the colors it's no big deal and the best thing is if they want support. [TS]

  So if you have support so I don't have to support it they can to get the case. [TS]

  They have twenty four seventh's support so I'm I think this is on is this is all honest to God True story. [TS]

  This is what happened. [TS]

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  Here I didn't pay a thing yet and then when you know when they say OK to put in their credit card [TS]

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  Type in every single box that's true. And check out who knows if I work. [TS]

  So Marco you recently posted a large headphone review is there anything to add about that [TS]

  or pretty much self-contained. [TS]

  That's pretty much self-contained I did I did face a little bit of a problem with with with this review which was for [TS]

  you to talk about how you're being ridiculous about in your monitors. [TS]

  No actually the problem I have with this which is really boring and madness [TS]

  and too much time on it is where do you put it on the site. [TS]

  Because what I've done in the past like I've I've mostly just you know made blog posts here [TS]

  and there with you know here's here's what I think of this pair headphones [TS]

  or here's my current recommendations this one I just I decided that I'm going to make it the only page I can update [TS]

  continuously because you know blogs always have a problem with like. [TS]

  Actually the old content how do you make all content useful How do you how do you deal with all the content out of date. [TS]

  You know do you go back and edit and put the headers [TS]

  and all that saying this is an out of date go here for an updated version you know like there's all sorts of challenges [TS]

  there. [TS]

  I decided rather than doing all that I'm going to have like one continuous look at a page [TS]

  and that was even more boring than I expected so that's pretty much it's all I got. [TS]

  That's funny bring it up because when I looked at market. [TS]

  Org I noticed that your very long headphone post was very very short but it was a link post [TS]

  and so I thought to myself well weird I guess he added some sort of like read more functionality to his to second crack [TS]

  because to my knowledge that didn't exist at the time and then I clicked the link post to your own post [TS]

  and realized oh you just had this as a singular file or singular U.R.L. Just sitting off the route. [TS]

  And and I did notice that and it did take me by surprise that that's how you handle it [TS]

  and then once I saw what you had done it made perfect sense why you had done it that way I don't think it ever because [TS]

  I totally I saw that too. [TS]

  That was not the way I wanted [TS]

  and what I would have done what I can understand the reason he did above what I would have done is made the new posts [TS]

  like just as a regular long post and then gone back into all my old headphone posts and put is the very first line. [TS]

  This is old you should go look at the new one here something nice that you know that because I don't like the idea of [TS]

  updating an old article to say well these you know ten years ago these were this was the head Von this is what I [TS]

  thought of all the new ones that are available [TS]

  but this has a lot of google groups because a lot of people cling to it over the years. [TS]

  So if you engineer from Google you know I don't want you to see that I want you to see my new review. [TS]

  I rather leave what I wrote as a sort of historical document at that U.R.L. [TS]

  and Then just have a constantly updated redirect. [TS]

  Like not a reader accounts of how they like header at the top says hey you're about to start reading. [TS]

  In case you didn't these people totally don't I was today in a Streisand saying I feel like the new trend should be on [TS]

  people's blogs instead of all the other designs. [TS]

  So we've had to make an really big text and you know centering everything [TS]

  and all of the stuff the new French should be making today just bigger [TS]

  and bigger until all you see in the entire screen is two thousand [TS]

  and four because people read things I tried your instructions on how to you know set up my S.Q.L. [TS]

  Voltec surging and it didn't work in like two thousand and four do people do not see dates [TS]

  but anyway they will read the first sentence of the review you hope and the first and should be. [TS]

  This is old the most recent one is here and you had to pay and have to keep going back through those [TS]

  and re updating links or whatever you can automate that if you really feel like it [TS]

  but that's the way I would have done it. But I understand why you did it the way you did just it just seems weird. [TS]

  Sorry but you can do better next time. [TS]

  Thanks what's worth response was the fracture cookbook three from likability and Squarespace [TS]

  and we will see you next week. [TS]

  Now that's a downturn in there with them and you are now getting access to that list and the has a review coming. [TS]

  I made progress. This weekend. [TS]

  But like every time I make progress I'd like to try to reassess percentage wise lower percent done you think you are [TS]

  now [TS]

  and I could convert the same number like it's like it's been like seventy percent of the past three weekends like I think [TS]

  about seventy percent done I did like seven thousand words we can look I feel like I'm seventy percent done [TS]

  and I just found out that I've been taking my screenshots in the wrong size [TS]

  or some of them in the wrong size not that I think many of them anyway. [TS]

  I have so much stuff to do I don't know just written for a late October release date [TS]

  and then everything should be fine. So what do you do if they release early. [TS]

  Would you like rage quit the review even if you were half cooked on it were seventy percent Kono I would get I would [TS]

  have rushed to get it done even sooner than possible I would probably miss the release and people would have to wait [TS]

  and it would be terrible and you know like takes the time that it takes. [TS]

  I don't know about this Tivo thing in everyone saying oh it's for sports it's for small not everyone. [TS]

  People things for sports it doesn't make sense to me. I think you can learn to sports you probably have cable right. [TS]

  Right they're trying to like it's cord cutters who still want to buy I don't know like fifty dollars. [TS]

  There's no point to stainless fifty dollars for you would be even more of an interesting product [TS]

  but just trying to get a real Tivo you know you want talk about this twitch singers are going to go on for two hours. [TS]

  It will cause a lot we can talk about because I don't think I have much to say about do you guys both know it which is [TS]

  Have any of the three of us actually like seen to it I have I I watched like ten seconds of it once [TS]

  when what was it something about playing pok√©mon like some chat room or something was playing poker [TS]

  when I go people haven't even seen it in the youtube I've seen of You Tube is one thing as if Twitch is like oh yeah [TS]

  I've seen to it have you seen to it yes I've gone to the Web site. Have you seen Google. [TS]

  Yeah well the into Google is kind of one thing which is you know you're you're right to call me out so I've seen a [TS]

  video game being played live on Twitter I believe. [TS]

  As one of the poke him on is a poky mana pokey Man's I guess pokey man game. [TS]

  Pokey man [TS]

  and he I think was something that went around like a couple months back where it was like an entire chat rooms trying [TS]

  to collaborate [TS]

  and play one of the pokey men don't actually get people I was getting I was going to those the chat room [TS]

  or something that was a chat room shoot I don't know what it was [TS]

  but a right to fish playing at they have chat rooms playing as many be many different things have played various [TS]

  Pokemon games. [TS]

  Yeah and so I watch like ten seconds of that and was impossibly bored after those ten seconds and never looked back. [TS]

  So I think we had an hour show us way back when [TS]

  and as I just recently caught an isometric I heard them talking about it there was some rumor awhile ago that Google [TS]

  was going to buy two if you remember that maybe we had a no show no it's briefly [TS]

  but we never talked about it because Google never did buy Twitter was like oh it's a done deal who's going to bite [TS]

  which is months ago right. [TS]

  And they didn't and then you know people thought they might because it made sense [TS]

  and now I don't even know if the Amazon actually a done deal. [TS]

  I think I mean I don't know I always wait I want to see a press release on the company's Web site. [TS]

  That's what I want to see that's when it's confirmed [TS]

  but this is like you know sources say that whatever Anyway the story about this time of the line which is I think the [TS]

  big story is from from my perspective why hasn't someone bought twitch already because twitch does tremendous traffic [TS]

  in an area that is underserved essentially you know for people [TS]

  or not which allows you to website where people put a video of them playing video games [TS]

  and you can stream to it live [TS]

  and you can carry a lot of the console so I have a button you can press that will stream what you're playing up to [TS]

  Twitter you can do pre-recorded stuff as I Why or why would you not want to buy this because millions of people watch. [TS]

  I think like some of the sports champions think chantant championship thing. [TS]

  Like forty one million viewers [TS]

  or seventy million viewers something that huge viewership on this the question I Why why is all this happening on You [TS]

  Tube Well You Tube is a different kind of environment You Tube is for people making like their own little shows [TS]

  and channels and stuff but You Tube is really harsh are cracking down on copyrighted material [TS]

  and you know which is specifically tailored to gamers as integration of the consuls and now in recent weeks [TS]

  or months over a long it's been twitches been started to clamp down on the copyrighted stuff as well like if it hears [TS]

  if it does that you know content detection of it detects copyrighted music it will just mute the audio track [TS]

  and what's happening is like people are getting their entire videos muted because there's copyrighted music like in the [TS]

  game the game people paid for [TS]

  and like just all these problems having machines try to enforce copyright so I don't understand why that's going on. [TS]

  But like the biggest manoeuvres then is why. [TS]

  Why didn't Google buy twitch Why didn't you know like they are a hot commodity they are a place where lots of people [TS]

  are going to look at things that isn't well served by an existing properties [TS]

  but is in that same vein like this is not like you say oh it's kind like T.V. Even sort of T.V. [TS]

  Shows you watch You Tube [TS]

  and people who have kids of a certain age you know that kids do watch You Tube just the way they watch T.V. [TS]

  Well Twitch is like that for people who are into games only there never really was a T.V. [TS]

  Analogue there was never any real T.V. [TS]

  Channel you go do you just watch you know hundreds of channels of people playing video games live or recorded [TS]

  and that's what witches. [TS]

  So I'm not quite sure that Amazon buying them is good for anybody including Amazon I think Google is a better fit [TS]

  because I feel like what's happening [TS]

  and which should be happening on You Tube And if You Tube is not doing something to make that happen [TS]

  and they need to be in a separate branded site then fine Google should have bought twitch [TS]

  and made it like as an offshoot of You Tube or tried to roll it into one of whatever [TS]

  but I think what Twitch does is only going to go away or fade if it gets screwed up by like stupid copyright stuff [TS]

  or whatever and I just think it's inevitable it's obviously something that people want to do all of the word. [TS]

  It's going to happen with or without which. [TS]

  If you people should be interested in those people those people buy games are worth advertising to there [TS]

  and they're you know a demographic you don't want to advertise to. [TS]

  While Amazon by them Google reportedly bid for them and didn't get them [TS]

  and then Amazon did google so too rich for my blood and just bail out of Amazon outbid them. [TS]

  These days I don't feel particularly good of an Amazon buying things anymore I used to feel good about Google buying [TS]

  things and then not so much you know now Amazon I used to feel OK about them buying companies [TS]

  and now maybe not so much with like the comics ology [TS]

  and stuff so I don't know I mean I guess maybe this is better than Facebook buying them I just think it's a shame for [TS]

  everybody who's into which is kind of a shame for Twitch. Oprah's only the people involved get a big payday. [TS]

  Twitch is not something that I want to regulate which is not something you guys watch at all so it's very younger [TS]

  demographic but that's why I think like it's the future man doing what Twitch does has a future [TS]

  and I just hope Amazon doesn't screw it up. [TS]

  I have nothing to add to this is one of those [TS]

  and there you should be OK See this is one of those things that is really popular that it's not like soccer where you [TS]

  know understand it's really popular and always has been is just not your thing [TS]

  but this is like a worldwide really popular [TS]

  and you just have no interaction with it all I can really say spoke like we don't use Facebook [TS]

  but we know Facebook as we know what it's like or whatever. [TS]

  So if you don't want to get out of touch with the kids you should spend some time in which I have genuinely been [TS]

  dreading the thought of Minecraft still being a thing in the years you know [TS]

  and it's going to be like those games it just gets ported everywhere you know it because it was like it had dated [TS]

  graphics a day it was made right so it's not as if it's going to get old and people will like it. [TS]

  Oh it'll it will never die. The probably open source at some point and then you're really screwed. [TS]

  So it was a World of Warcraft or Minecraft dying First World War Craft definitely that requires humans to maintain [TS]

  and run and presumably. [TS]

  Eventually that will become you know unfeasible [TS]

  or whatever blizzards next big project is will eventually I assume supply revving and everything [TS]

  and I guess they have enough people they could do it [TS]

  but that requires way more main it's mine graphene just led him to the wild like a virus you don't need any human [TS]

  intervention. [TS]

  Blizzard needs to pay people you know millions of dollars a year to just keep World of Warcraft keep them in new [TS]

  content every year and keep the servers up and running [TS]

  and maintained an A in wildly unrelated news I was somewhat stunned that it only took the Internet a week to find [TS]

  market coffee. Yeah I don't even know. [TS]

  I thought Marco had already said that site ages ago I didn't I don't try [TS]

  and say nice things about your websites Marco but I think Mark OK see if everyone is already L.T. [TS]

  You know you are formatting of that's our God it's terrible [TS]

  but I threw together in like twenty minutes so I didn't hit home is not worth a whole lot of em right back [TS]

  when all I knew was [TS]

  or wasn't worth it's worth just enough effort to make the one page that is on that side look reasonable. [TS]

  I really don't even care. [TS]

  The point was to get it to give a few people like ten seconds worth of laughs or giggles or what have you [TS]

  and I think I succeeded in that. [TS]

  It's funny people are complaining [TS]

  and moaning about the fact that it's frames because I was too lazy to figure out how to get get how pages to accept it. [TS]

  Yeah I was framed because it's it's a hover redirect and so I had a cloak the U.R.L. [TS]

  So it's just a big I Frame I guess [TS]

  and getting the layout the way I wanted was a pain in the butt without using tables which I don't think I ended up [TS]

  doing so yet because I suck at C.S.S. [TS]

  I'm freaking terrible to see as I say this is one of those differences like you would have been the person to make [TS]

  those the city desk heroes because you like to come out I don't care that much to zero like that there is something I'm [TS]

  not saying this did something wrong with you if you were in the majority believe me but like there. [TS]

  I know if I was putting up a single page either just a text in that I would be there make sure that Tex was like [TS]

  exactly where I wanted to be in the font that I wanted to. Well that's because you're extraordinarily critical. [TS]

  Well I mean the joke still works if it's marketed a coffee splash pages last troll that is P. X. Right. [TS]

  Then the funny thing is I think T.J. [TS]

  Lou will probably get the pronunciation wrong and I'm sorry about that [TS]

  but I believe he was the first person to point out to me in retrospect I should have just had a redirect Starbucks [TS]

  and I really had a missed opportunity there. [TS]

  Well that's what I did with bad coffee so I only had a coffee redirect to Starbucks is looking pretty a picture [TS]

  and then I also have overcast coffee and podcast coffee how did you not register Margaux dot coffee. [TS]

  Yeah I did that for some reason didn't cross my mind when I was a man that's funny. [TS]

  Anyway I noticed this the other day this is a week to the day it was last Wednesday and [TS]

  and I noticed said market our coffee is available and I thought what could I do with this and it will be my first. [TS]

  Actually my first thought was hey did you know that Mark and I called you know to say to you Hey Mark [TS]

  and a coffee is available and then I was like wait a second. [TS]

  There's an opportunity here [TS]

  and so yes I think trolling you for years worth twenty five dollars of my money so I will go ahead and register this [TS]

  and throw up the world's crappiest single serving site and you did and I did. That's good. [TS]

  It's funny I'm proud of you for for even doing this joke. [TS]

  I only had originally was coffee is stupid [TS]

  and then I felt like that one that didn't have the same ring to it as coffee so he said oh you're so polite even You're [TS]

  trolling something I had a domain registered for the flop house for a couple of years [TS]

  but I just let it expire in protest because no one would accurately represent the joke I was making on that Web site of [TS]

  course. [TS]

  It's frustrating [TS]

  but anyway you know my paying twenty five dollars for a year I think I paid for three years maybe four years of that [TS]

  domain and they had nothing it was nothing but a redirect. [TS]

  Like it was the whole point of the domain is like oh if you type this you'll get those regrets are as much fun back in [TS]

  the days [TS]

  when if you were in the circle of mac users all the popular mac browsers would first append I think it was already the [TS]

  first appended dot com and then Triple W. Dot com or the reverse. [TS]

  But if you typed anywhere that's what they did before the age of the various awesome bars [TS]

  and integrated you know searched address bar. [TS]

  If you just type the word by itself into your address bar I would try the dot com and or the Triple W. [TS]

  Dot com And that was a cool way to navigate but that time is past. [TS]

  So that's a timetable type stuff [TS]

  and they end up with a Google search anyway so you are getting a domain not as much fun as it used to be. [TS]

  Do want to do. Titles real fast before snail steals you from us. [TS]

  Three people are never know that was about the chat room filming last time chat room. [TS]

  When Star Wars was that I want to really really get everyone to hate me. [TS]

  There's no mention of a chair and stories don't look for and what doesn't. [TS]

  I said there's no mention of the chat room in Star Wars don't know no mention of the chair I'm sorry I know you failed [TS]

  me for the last time Admiral. [TS]

  Oh well I've been since I was in recent years about the same line there was a line in the sim I seem to remember a [TS]

  number of Franks back I couldn't even tell you the plot of Empire Strikes Back Darth Vader's mad people doesn't matter [TS]

  people because they're they're doing things wrong and he kills them [TS]

  and buys the kill them because you've failed him for the last time. [TS]

  They'll be dead now you see so you can't film anymore. It's very complicated. [TS]