The Accidental Tech Podcast

67: Tim Said, Man


  Global branding strategies. Could you just whip together a show but in twenty minutes. [TS]

  Yeah the only thing is I can't get Ajax to work. Yeah I saw that use forms for them. [TS]

  Yeah I did if I had like ten more minutes I could get Ajax working but I don't so here we are. [TS]

  What did you find out your C. Code somewhere or did you actually write that too. [TS]

  Oh there's no but there's no BODETT literally just a form I have no idea how to make and I receive it [TS]

  and that was probably not going to fit in my twenty minute budget to build. [TS]

  I was really starting to doubt my own self-worth. [TS]

  When you said oh my Yeah I had to with this together in twenty minutes I'm thinking How the hell did he get an I.R.C. [TS]

  Button twenty minutes notice like the king of HAVE EVER queen [TS]

  or whatever what have you of having packages to do everything under the sun and I doubt I could get together [TS]

  and I receive a note in twenty minutes because I could download the library and instantiate it give it a channel [TS]

  and a nickname [TS]

  and then tell him what to look for like it's the library does everything for you you know I mean just a question of [TS]

  finding a library. Yeah and try to find a for P.H.P. [TS]

  You know this show [TS]

  but code is open sourced I think you could have just one G.'s that I was racing I was reaching people in the chat [TS]

  seeing who could who could finish first me rewriting it or them trying to get this installed a ruby thing [TS]

  and full of dependencies and all those other crap [TS]

  and I don't know how to host trivia so I figured I could rewrite it faster in my hosted for them than the time it would [TS]

  take to figure out really what make fun of you so badly but I don't know crap about Ruby. [TS]

  I mean could you could you set it up in twenty minutes on service. Probably not. [TS]

  Goodness All right well apologies in advance if I'm cranky tonight a little stressed out a lot a lot of things going on [TS]

  in the lift household trying to keep it all under control really succeeding. [TS]

  So to make me feel better let's start by making fun of P.H.P. Yarn. You would know if you look at the notes. [TS]

  Yeah just a disclaimer up front this is not my normal voice this is my I'm sick voice I've done many pun cast with my [TS]

  I'm sick voice including I think like the least four of the six hours of Star Wars Pod gets an incompatibility. [TS]

  But anyway we'll get through this. [TS]

  But it's kind of a shame because next week we're not recording an episode and I'll be better by that. [TS]

  Oh yeah and speaking of a recording on what is today Thursday the twenty second. [TS]

  So just like we talked about last episode if we say something extraordinarily stupid it's because of time shift issues [TS]

  not because we're actually on intelligence. All right so quick follow up. A bunch of correction follow up. [TS]

  First one is that I didn't notice this when we were recording in part because [TS]

  when I listen back to a notice that Marco made some bold claims about P.H.P. [TS]

  Being faster than javascript that much people wrote in to tell us that this is not the case if I had been paying better [TS]

  attention I would have tried to call him on it [TS]

  but apparently I wasn't I was kind of surprised that you didn't at the time and I didn't remember hearing it. [TS]

  As soon as I said it I realized that this is probably wrong. [TS]

  Yeah so Ginger sent us the lunch links to benchmarks or put us on the show notes showing how incredibly slow P.H.P. [TS]

  Is compared as nothing to do with a living language is what we're talking about on that show. [TS]

  Javascript has had so much engineering resources put towards making it fast P.H.P. Less so. Yet at the core P.H.P. [TS]

  Runtime seems like it's been held together by sticks and duct tape for its entire lifetime. [TS]

  And that's why Facebook is able to come and make such a massive upgrade with the end performance. [TS]

  My point was not that P.H.P. [TS]

  The fact is language I didn't mean to say that that that was kind of me stumbling around my words trying to say my [TS]

  actual point and my intended point which was that P.H.P. Like no one's ever really complained that P.H.P. [TS]

  Is slow it's not like the P.H.P. [TS]

  Being slow has never really been a problem for most people unless you're operating at Facebook scale it's fast enough. [TS]

  And it's not like performances have really been P.H.P. [TS]

  Is problem is a thing of all these language a quote of language performance benchmarks as they always end of doing [TS]

  stuff like doing like integer and floating point math right into arrays of integers and floats [TS]

  and you know calculating fractals and playing the game of life [TS]

  and doing things that no one will ever ask one of these dynamic languages. [TS]

  If you try to do anything math related [TS]

  or anything with like densely packed structures of course the language that uses like a native ints [TS]

  and can use like the an operation on your C.P.U. [TS]

  Is going to destroy the thing that every single variable is is crazy a structure with a million different things in it [TS]

  you know. [TS]

  Best case scenario is a big struct worst case something worse of course you can get slaughtered by someone doing you [TS]

  know native operations versus that these languages are used mostly to manipulate strings [TS]

  and if you do string manipulation stuff like who can run regular expressions with you know you know code handling [TS]

  against huge strings [TS]

  and intelligently replace things other then some of these dynamic languages even the slow ones that don't have a lot of [TS]

  attention paid to them start looking a lot better so I don't pay too much attention to these benchmarks because every [TS]

  dynamic language it slaughtered when you know Kevin fractals [TS]

  and who cares because that's not what they're being asked to do right like what matters most. [TS]

  When you're using [TS]

  when he's lying which is what matters most is like how much can it handle on servers in real life applications like how [TS]

  much how many concurrent connections how many users you know how how much can you fit in a purse or ever per C.P.U. [TS]

  Unit of performance [TS]

  or you know Paradine know if you're on some virtualize thing you know how much how much can a handle [TS]

  and that's related to lots of things besides low level math performance [TS]

  and it's in those areas that almost all modern languages and frameworks do pretty well at that [TS]

  and you know platforms and web servers and everything. [TS]

  They're modern standards are pretty high for that and you know you can go like Apache versus engine X. [TS]

  Versus built in servers and stuff like that and. [TS]

  You can get into a lot of the degree there [TS]

  but the fact is they're all pretty fast these days because they're all pretty well designed and [TS]

  and all pretty much any language you use on a reasonably hosted stack can handle a lot. [TS]

  That's what I've noticed as an interesting fact because it's like well there's this language that we're all forced to [TS]

  use that tons of people have worked really hard to make fast. [TS]

  Why don't we just use that on the server because then we can you know the javascript engine that Gould wrote that super [TS]

  fast. What it does on the servers. [TS]

  Sounds crazy [TS]

  but someone already did the work so here's a big Dymock language that someone's already made fast for us [TS]

  and we can cut straight and do interesting things on top of that. Let me interrupt you real quick. [TS]

  What you were saying about performance on DI nose [TS]

  and whatnot reminds me that I had somebody from her local reach out to me [TS]

  and say hey we heard you talking about how I had thought that I'd hit some internal dashboard because of the traffic I [TS]

  got the American about the post about Aaron being pregnant. Well firstly I think I misread the U.R.L. [TS]

  and I do not think that that was an internal lab and people from Roku instance confirm that anyway. [TS]

  But secondly something from Roku wrote me and I don't have his name handy and I apologize but wrote me [TS]

  and said in so many words your Dinah was well under control and not really getting taxed that badly at all [TS]

  and that was when Google Analytics was reporting roughly five hundred concurrent users in the real time tab [TS]

  and I think I got some around ten [TS]

  or fifteen thousand hits over the course of that day that I posted that So to your point in the right situation it's [TS]

  really not that bad. No it is not that bad on server side so I'm sorry speaking of doubt. [TS]

  Yeah talking about javascript modularization and the different systems for use [TS]

  and I said that I thought No just use A.M.D. It doesn't use its common J.S. [TS]

  Which is another one of those standards [TS]

  and there's also some point out to me the Eck Master scripts six modules thing of the you know Stan sort of the [TS]

  standard for a job. [TS]

  And they've been marching on making new standards for the language well ahead of what browsers are implementing [TS]

  but if you look at the later ones there's a lot of interesting things in there including a formal language supported [TS]

  way to do modules with I have a link here in the notes to this. [TS]

  Yes six months will transpire that will write your let you write your job of using the six models intact [TS]

  and then compile it into either A M D A common data models [TS]

  and all these things are trying to accomplish the same task you know sort of provide you know keep things out of each [TS]

  other's namespace and provide a formal interface for defining what a module is what its name to oil exports [TS]

  and all that other stuff. So yeah the great thing about standards so many to choose from. [TS]

  Right so additionally you had mentioned I don't remember if it was the regular show or the quote unquote after show [TS]

  but we had talked about i Phone ear buds [TS]

  and you were developed in your fairly devout your belief that the i Phones do not come with the ear buds Mark [TS]

  and I explain the you were wrong and then you had intended to go on a treasure hunt for some of Tina's ear buds. [TS]

  What was the result of that I did find them that I asked her where the box was and she didn't tell me [TS]

  and maybe she didn't want to tell me on my own I found the box and in the box lo [TS]

  and behold completely you know still in the little plastic shrink wrap the whatever stuff were the earphones with a [TS]

  click I found the i Phone five S. [TS]

  Box I bet the ones in the forest box are still there as well because again I have never seen one in this house so I [TS]

  think we've just never unpacked them so I unpacked the five US clicker and I was wearing it tonight [TS]

  when I was doing dishes and stuff. [TS]

  I don't know if it's going to solve my problem is already with two issues I see with the the little clicker thing. [TS]

  Well the three one issue which is not really the fault of the phone. [TS]

  I Phones I think the headphones I think is that I get a little bit of like static like [TS]

  when I twist if I if I just whisper. [TS]

  All connector I get a little bit of crinkly static and maybe have some dirt [TS]

  or something inside my i Pod Touches headphone connector that only shows up with like the X. [TS]

  You know that like the little plug a little extra segments for the Klingon the contacts that contact might be a little [TS]

  bit screwed up so that's kind of annoying. [TS]

  It shouldn't be audible I believe it is uses the microphone contact for that. [TS]

  Yeah I don't know what it is about is the lack of a part of my regular headphones I don't hear any cooking [TS]

  and you know this is just in my pocket I was an attention doing I took it out [TS]

  and what the hell is that now I just wish that I can hear crinkle crinkle so who knows it's probably just dirt [TS]

  or something inside my connector or can you do. Could also be that ear buds are pieces of crap. [TS]

  Oh would you stop it with that with your buds are not bad or not good. [TS]

  This was in the pot catheters The second thing is and I understand why that is because of the microphone [TS]

  and I really wish that the clicker was lower down on the thing because I don't want to reach up that high to two click [TS]

  click I'd rather click lower down [TS]

  but I was either going to make it a Mike they have to make it up higher so I can understand what it did [TS]

  and the third thing is also related to where it is it means that one of the ear phones has different weighting [TS]

  and different sort of you know when I turn my head around and everything one of the things is going to fly out [TS]

  and pull out more because it has an extra weight on it there [TS]

  and it makes my right ear your bottom right year start to work to way loose faster [TS]

  and more aggressively than the one in my left ear doesn't whine a little. [TS]

  Well it is of no surprise to me that you have immediate complaints also I should note that your if I'm correct using [TS]

  your Pods Is that right is that what they call the new ear buds. [TS]

  Now here that we had the red ones that don't have a rubber gasket around them and it kind of like go into your ear [TS]

  or where is the four S. I believe came with the old ear buds which didn't have a formal name to my recollection. [TS]

  Yeah I like beer Pods they fit my ears reasonably well I like the idea that there's not anything that's going to wear [TS]

  off on them. Well that's not true at all it just might take a little bit longer. [TS]

  Well what's going to come off though there's no there's no like it's a solid piece of play to solve his The plastics [TS]

  are supposed to be the glass that could come apart but. [TS]

  That seems much less likely in that stupid rubber thing coming off. [TS]

  Well I mean the way the way most headphones die is internal fraying of the cable where it meets the headphone. [TS]

  That's occasionally where it meets the jack and usually the headphone [TS]

  and almost always because that's just you know it's one of the strange points [TS]

  and the frame boots never really do that much and that's it. [TS]

  I've never had a pair of Air Pods [TS]

  and I've I didn't have the original i Pod I believe I'm the first one I got was the terrible on that the four touch [TS]

  buttons on and I guess that was the third generation or something anyway. [TS]

  I've never had a pair of Apple ear buds go bad but they all still work so I think I'm really gentle on them [TS]

  and speaking of being gentle on one of the things you were suggesting to solve the problem of like you know [TS]

  when someone walks up to you got a fish the i Pod or your pocket and turn it off if you know how to cook or whatever [TS]

  but I just think the headphone jack out is at a stoplight [TS]

  or yet will be of the story headphones doing that you're probably to destroy the jack to only destroy the headphones [TS]

  are not designed to be yanked out repeatedly so that is not a viable option for me. [TS]

  One thing I actually looked into as as a potential feature for overcast is to allow you to just tap the phone really [TS]

  hard with your fingers while it's in your pocket and allow that to mimic the clicker controls. [TS]

  I thought of all of that and I was going to suggest that to you but then I thought about a little longer [TS]

  and I said this is a terrible idea. [TS]

  Yeah that's pretty much what happened I mean I tried like twenty four on a day to see if I could reliably detect that [TS]

  versus any other kind of motion [TS]

  and it was just a really hard I don't think it would ever be good enough to like reliable enough to detect that without [TS]

  having a bunch of false positives [TS]

  and you don't want to encourage people to be whacking their bio with devices even if it's just a finger tip because [TS]

  once you open that door you know how human nature you. [TS]

  You'll tap your partner and you're going to make a remote Williams reference [TS]

  but you know you've never heard of that movie. No no finger will return the i Phone boom. [TS]

  OK I'm going to wait for the kind of irresponsible is weak once again by our friends at dash. [TS]

  Go to the debt the dasher dot com dash dot com not an actual dash this is like the McSweeney's hard to pronounce email [TS]

  addresses the A G D S H dot com So it's not like a hyphen or anything. [TS]

  Anyway go to the dash dot com slash A T P And this is really cool it's basically allow you to build your own custom [TS]

  dashboard and it can be public or private. [TS]

  And there's also you can fill it up with all sorts of widgets [TS]

  and you can customize it you can make your own widgets you can do you can do which is are things like your site traffic [TS]

  or recent tweets or you know your recent get hub commits if you're a developer. [TS]

  All sorts of things social activity you know traffic to be all sorts of things if you can if you can see if you can [TS]

  picture a graph or a status widget for You Can they probably have it or can or will add it. [TS]

  It's really great so they have a bunch of privileges for you to use. They're adding more all the time. [TS]

  Vanity searches all sorts of stuff you can put up there you know a lot of it like like we compare last week to Panix [TS]

  excellent status board app for i Pad It's kind of like that for the web [TS]

  and in my opinion pretty pretty well expanded from that that they do a lot more a lot more comes with that really great [TS]

  dashboard from dash look great on a T.V. If you want to buy Apple T.V. [TS]

  or Via chrome tast the pricing models really quite simple. It's a lot like her. [TS]

  So you can always create unlimited public dashboards for free if you sign up you can create one private dashboard for [TS]

  free [TS]

  and then if you want you can just pay ten dollars a month if you have unlimited private dashboard so you can have internal [TS]

  stuff kept private for your company or whatever [TS]

  but if you want to go there play with it create a public dashboard go right ahead that's where you can even get one [TS]

  private at work for free. Really great thing go to the dash dot com slash A.T.P. [TS]

  Run by great people I met one in the last year. [TS]

  Really nice guy and a big fan of us as if you go to the dash dot com slash A.T.P. [TS]

  You can even see the dashboards that he made for me John and Casey and they're actually pretty funny. [TS]

  So definitely check that out. Really cool thanks a lot to dash once again. The dash dot com slash A.T.P. [TS]

  For sponsoring our show a couple people are asking on Twitter about different widgets who you mentioned you know which [TS]

  is the interface different services and stuff [TS]

  and if you go to support the dash dot com You can vote on this within the next widget that they'll introduce ideas from [TS]

  the community for which they want and you can vote up the one you want to see. [TS]

  So it's obviously an expanded platform and they're adding adding widgets as their demanded. [TS]

  So tell us about your record. [TS]

  Yeah so last week I said that I couldn't figure out how to get or I thought I didn't see my i Pod touch at all [TS]

  but many people who have an accord of the same vintage [TS]

  and i Pod touch is of the same vintage that know it all it'll find it and so I took another run at it [TS]

  and sure enough it's just because the interface is terrible like it's got the things that connect your device [TS]

  and then it says search for devices and it says searching and then his voice comes over [TS]

  and tells you if your device is incompatible go to ball blunder starting searching searching searching [TS]

  and no devices found [TS]

  and I thought that was it looking for devices that apparently is a whole other feature where you had to like I don't [TS]

  know the difference between searching for a device and adding a new devices but they're different functions [TS]

  and I don't remember how I found that eventually if I'm away to a different menu which is not searching for a device [TS]

  but adding a new device which is somehow a different thing [TS]

  and it did find my i Pod touch so the next time I commute to work I will do so in Bluetooth glory. [TS]

  If you're going to see you're going to become a convert. [TS]

  It's really really convenient like that this is what I was saying last episode and this was edited out [TS]

  but being able to get in the car and just have it start playing is just so much better [TS]

  and more convenient than having to plug in for any reason. [TS]

  It's it's worth not having your phone charge during a car ride just for the convenience [TS]

  and you know anything that cars do that requires. In a plug in. [TS]

  I'm going to have a really hard time committing myself that's worth doing now because it's just so nice to just get in [TS]

  it starts playing when you turn the car off it passes done. [TS]

  I thought going to plug in my headphones for the walk from the parking garage to the office so that the little a little [TS]

  bit I had to do that anymore the app on shuffle [TS]

  but yet not got the clicker for that it is that long enough to justify rocking headphones. [TS]

  Oh yeah definitely down six flights of stairs on three flights there they're in it [TS]

  and walked from the garage to the building. [TS]

  They don't all live in rural Virginia where your parking spot is right in front of your grandmother law office building. [TS]

  I'm going to choose not to engage. [TS]

  So we should probably talk about predictions because by the time this episode comes out it will be mere days before the [TS]

  big event and I wanted to start with hardware and this is a little bit of a tangent [TS]

  but there's been a lot of talk about larger i Phones [TS]

  and it certainly does not stand to history recent history that will see any new i Phones during the city. [TS]

  But that being said let's suppose even if it doesn't happen during W D C Let's suppose that there are what is the what [TS]

  are the two sizes four point seven and five point point five five point five which is pretty big. Yeah. [TS]

  So I want to ask Marco specifically because you seemed most enthusiastic about these bigger sizes Let's assume just for [TS]

  the sake of conversation up before seven and five five are real and they exist so much anxiety right. [TS]

  But let's also assume that the effective resolution is no different. [TS]

  So I don't recall exactly what resolution the i Phones are today [TS]

  but whatever the size is that they blow it up to they just they they blow it up there's no more effective real estate. [TS]

  Would you still want one. [TS]

  Or are you really excited for them strictly based on the thought that you could shove more things on the screen. [TS]

  Now you know there was a rumor a couple of weeks back that I was I think this is on a ninety five map that I was eight [TS]

  was going to include some kind of new resolution scaling feature possibly based on the way back O S ten does it on the [TS]

  Retina MacBook Pros. [TS]

  If if that actually happens if there is some kind of feature where you can actually simulate higher resolutions [TS]

  or somehow adjust the size of things on screen to make everything so I mean there's universal text sizing [TS]

  but it isn't that well supported yet but if this feature exists [TS]

  and you can actually dynamically scale things then I would probably be tempted to go with the big one. [TS]

  Or if they were actually used actually does have a higher resolution. I'd be pretty tempted to go for it. [TS]

  I'm not sure I would keep it like you know the year after I might go back to the small four point seven inch size. [TS]

  I don't know. [TS]

  I'm curious to try to never have a large screen phone and I know a lot of people say they're too big [TS]

  but a lot of people love them [TS]

  and you know for for how I use it especially since I don't really use an i Pad very often I use my phone for everything [TS]

  that when I'm not at my computer. So I'd be really curious to try the big phone. [TS]

  That being said if it's only a pure scale up in the resolution and there's no X. [TS]

  There's not more pixels and it doesn't put in more capability to see more onscreen with the same resolution. [TS]

  I'd have a really hard time justifying the bigger one because it's like well what am I really getting for that I mean [TS]

  and you're getting something like. [TS]

  You could theoretically set the universal Tek size smaller and fit more on screen with text [TS]

  but it wouldn't quite have the same effect. [TS]

  Having also never had a larger phone I just I don't see I don't see myself carrying a lot. [TS]

  Urge your phone in my pocket anything over five inches for sure [TS]

  and I'm not overly enthusiastic about a four point seven inch phone [TS]

  but as with all things that I claim I either don't understand or don't like like Macs and i Phones and B.M.W.'s [TS]

  and many other things I'm not thinking of. [TS]

  I'm sure it will probably come around on this but I don't I don't have an overabundance of pocket space as it is [TS]

  and I don't even fancy skinny jeans [TS]

  or anything like that so I just I can't imagine having like a five inch plus phone sitting in my pocket all the time [TS]

  that does not sound enjoyable to me. [TS]

  I think a lot of people a lot of you know Apple [TS]

  and would end up getting it just like Margo said just to see what it's like because resilience people have only ever [TS]

  had i Phones like they're you know they've only been buying i Phones haven't tried any other kind of phone you can try [TS]

  to just I mean I guess you will be able to tell from holding in the story [TS]

  but like well I don't know if you want to just buy it own it you know you're getting a new phone next year [TS]

  or the year after anyway. [TS]

  Give it a try and then you'll find out probably within the first couple weeks a couple months. [TS]

  If this is for you or not [TS]

  but since it's a novelty in the Apple you know Iowa's device space I think a lot of people are going to buy it just to [TS]

  see what it's like so Apple kind of gets out [TS]

  and there are going to regular people who aren't in this pot Cason aren't Apple because yes they're already buying big [TS]

  phones so it's not a big deal of them going big deal to people like us. [TS]

  Also the screen might not be the only difference. [TS]

  Obviously a larger phone can fit a larger battery and some of that battery power is going to be spent. [TS]

  Why doing that larger screen but probably not all of it. [TS]

  If you know if they are assuming they have like the same you know a logic board motherboard inside [TS]

  and it's just you know that same board plus larger battery and a bigger phone versus smaller [TS]

  and smaller phone you probably get better battery life. [TS]

  The bigger one and it might not be by a whole lot but I bet it would be noticeable. Secondly if they do different. [TS]

  I think this is [TS]

  and this is I thought that I talked with us on the talk show which will get back to him in a minute I thought it was on [TS]

  the talk show a while back we're talking about a big. But if they do different think Mrs. [TS]

  They might have different cameras sensors and cameras sensors and phones. [TS]

  Thickness tends to be the limiting factor in how good they can be [TS]

  and that's why you see Android phones having these big blobby things where the camera is in the back so they can make [TS]

  that sticker [TS]

  and put a nice sensor in there nice optics because optics like you can get to physical limits really you just need [TS]

  depth to make larger sensors larger optics you like that to make better image quality so if you know the rumors are [TS]

  that there's going to be this i Phone Air Heads it's like it's the biggest one that super thin. [TS]

  If the big one is thinner and has a worse camera as a result then that's going to be a pretty big downside for me [TS]

  and I would almost certainly not get it. [TS]

  I would say if the cameras are different at all between the two sizes [TS]

  and as obvious as this is assuming a lot lanes disclaim Apprentice assuming that there even are two i Phones [TS]

  and by the way we probably won't hear about them. Next we will probably hear about them in the fall. [TS]

  But to me assuming that that there are two phones if there's any difference in the camera at all between them I will [TS]

  almost certainly pick the one with a better camera matter what size it is. [TS]

  Preview real this case you put in stuff about a phone which we all things can be read in September [TS]

  and in a section about creation. [TS]

  Well yeah some so I just I really wanted to ask Mark about this because sitting here now like I said I have no [TS]

  enthusiasm about a bigger phone although clearly the rest of the planet quite literally does so [TS]

  and I just wanted to ask real fast before we move on and before we forget. [TS]

  Speaking of the talk show so Gruber announced on the talk show today that he's doing a live show at a B.B.C. [TS]

  On Tuesday and we will be the guests on that live show. [TS]

  So if you you know we decided to do our own live show because it's a lot of work [TS]

  and you know he's doing one hour now boogers invade his so. [TS]

  So if you want to hear us unveil the talk show live at the B.B.C. Next week take it on. Right now is a record. [TS]

  But by the time we post this they will be so well we'll put a link in the show notes. [TS]

  So let me so keep you know look at the show it's basically N.C. Tickets are probably going to go pretty quickly. [TS]

  So go quickly if you want to come and hopefully we will see you there. [TS]

  And where would people find the show months was not a song I don't know the show the song that every episode says you [TS]

  can find assurance but in the back to work conditions you have to give the full your role [TS]

  and how do you make sure you're all you can do that can't you. Well there aren't that shore it's that F.M. [TS]

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  Once again the B.B.C. [TS]

  Tuesday evening I don't know what time either six [TS]

  or seven six to nine at Mezzanine which is a really nice venue yet going to be a good show. [TS]

  So take it out and we will all be there I will be there in person I'm flying out to do a lot of hot Hist. [TS]

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  doesn't want to do a lot of thought guess he doesn't want to fly now but you know I'll survive. [TS]

  So anyway all three of us will be there in the flesh. So OK Does anybody see stuff. [TS]

  Let's start with the rest of the hardware the stuff that they actually may announce a W.D.C. [TS]

  Do we see a Retina MacBook Air happening when they lowered the price on the current ones. [TS]

  You know when they revise them [TS]

  and took over a hundred dollars worth of that was a clear sign that they were making room for the one [TS]

  and only twelve inch retina Air model [TS]

  but then I thought maybe it's just their preemptive move because they don't have that ready [TS]

  and they just want to make these more attractive until they do have a ready and now I can't decide. [TS]

  Well I think you're right because Intel's having some issues getting the next E.P. Up. [TS]

  That's Broadwell until having some issues with that getting out on time [TS]

  and so there it's basically been pretty widely rumored speculated maybe even said by Intel that they're basically not [TS]

  going to have new C.P.U. [TS]

  Models out until like December at the earliest [TS]

  and there's different to different times the different releases so you know the MacBook Air super low power C.P.U. [TS]

  Might come out a different time than like the one of the IMAX uses of like that [TS]

  but basically it's looking unlikely that Apple is going to have a compelling reason to update the current line of [TS]

  anything anytime soon. [TS]

  That doesn't mean they can't launch a new like if they wanted to do a Retina MacBook Air [TS]

  or any you know any new size of a laptop they could just ship it with the existing C.P.U. [TS]

  Family it wouldn't be that big of a deal. [TS]

  I don't know about that because I thought I would always assume the retina would be waiting for Broadwell just for [TS]

  power concerns because the extra power needed by the screen is Broadwell a die shrink or processor and I think it is [TS]

  but I'm not sure yet as is forking enemy isn't it so that does matter. [TS]

  Yeah so like I would imagine that Apple's roadmap was based on the assumption that they would have Broadwell in time [TS]

  for a midyear you know Retina MacBook Air but with the price drop and the revisions before [TS]

  and see where you said they could go both ways could be like well you would want to keep those in the lineup because [TS]

  there are still good computers but like they revise them. Did you see the Macworld speed that's on them. [TS]

  They're actually slower than the models they replaced and a couple of measures that would refuse the deed. [TS]

  There was a thing that came out the first said oh my god yes these are actually slower [TS]

  and then a couple days later it came out that oh well actually there's always been variants in which as a manufacturer [TS]

  you get when you buy your MacBook Air there's always been variances in them and so [TS]

  and there's the current variances are nothing new and I could be sure [TS]

  but you would think that Macworld would get them out of the fastens but I don't know [TS]

  but anyway the point is they're not the revisions of the existing models are not like oh these are so much faster than [TS]

  last years. [TS]

  You know it's just it's a price drop [TS]

  and performance is the same maybe a little bit better maybe a little worse depending on what your previous one [TS]

  and what your current one is. [TS]

  Screens not a big change there I think so it's it's like that they're being pushed down market [TS]

  and kept on life support to make room for something and I can't decide whether doing that before Wu C. [TS]

  Means they're making room for announcement of it as they are doing before the very thing means this is NOT AND WE DON'T [TS]

  HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY so we won't say anything at all dub it everything your result wait pro-style for us to come [TS]

  out with the real replacement machines. [TS]

  I'm guessing it's the latter just because you know we know we know that Intel having his issues with the new generation [TS]

  of C.P. Is so we know that this current generation of MacBook Air is has to last longer than expected. [TS]

  I would still be excited for Apple to announce the machine show it and say it's not shipping until I got Tobar [TS]

  and then [TS]

  and knocked over have a slip to December like I would because they want to see what the new machine looks like even if [TS]

  I can't have it until the end of the year. [TS]

  So basically exactly what they did with the MacPro last year here are exactly the you know it's like not that people [TS]

  are dying for new areas [TS]

  but by pushing the existing ones down it's like now the air feels like kind of a loser machine like we know there's a [TS]

  replacement coming in it's not here yet. [TS]

  So that they have been waiting years like macro people [TS]

  but still I mean we're going to any other hardware we think might be announced [TS]

  but we all agree probably no phones because they're in September these days. The i Pads have just been updated. [TS]

  If they're not going to show retina air do they have any hardware to announce that they're going to be easy. [TS]

  Well there's always room for a new category. [TS]

  I was just thinking that and just put it in the shout outs to talk about we may do the wearable thing. [TS]

  I want so badly to have a clever idea as to what that would be but I cannot come up with anything. [TS]

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  Thank you very much major bucks once again for sponsoring our show so what about Apple T.V. It doesn't have a D.C. [TS]

  Either software or hardware I think the hardware is kind of like the i Pod touch hardware at this point. [TS]

  It's like half of them really. [TS]

  Apple updates but as in no real hurry like what their single core a five in the crowd here right. [TS]

  We had a strong version in a certain point it becomes like U.S.B. [TS]

  One point oh it's more expensive to put on the computer than to point out everything to point out chips I mean is [TS]

  different because only Apple's making five but still at this point you can like Apple [TS]

  and must have worked through their their inventory of a five of the bunk or no these are now custom chips member [TS]

  and I think it was an interactive the tear down where like as of like a year. [TS]

  and a half ago they're actually making custom chips that right now are only in the Apple T.V. [TS]

  They only have one quarter Big Apple T.V. [TS]

  It's not flow per se but it's certainly not a speed demon and the interface is clunky [TS]

  and no one's really talking about an Apple television set anymore. [TS]

  We're just assuming they're going to update the pocket but we all think the park software [TS]

  and experiencing to be updated I think part of that updated experience if they ever bring it would have to be a faster [TS]

  C.P.U. [TS]

  and Maybe some more memory to support what we hope is a better uy than just a massive grid of rounded rectangles that [TS]

  you navigate between that appear randomly enter things so there are an awful lot of sessions on the schedule that are [TS]

  like to be announced and those all can't be like oh he's been a Rexx code or alike. [TS]

  There's got to be something I showed on account that he went to the count of how many are likely to be announced this [TS]

  year versus last year. [TS]

  Well I'm I remember last year there were a lot that were to be announced that weren't about any kind of like special [TS]

  secret thing like basically what they what they tend to do is anything that that includes energy in its name [TS]

  or description than the name of any unreleased thing [TS]

  or unannounced thing does not get put in the app until he no day until after that you know [TS]

  and so it's like you know it might even be like a title like a session might be you know one of those could be [TS]

  announced titles now and it might be like what's new in networking and I was eight you know [TS]

  and that's just because I was eight has been announced yet so they mark it as secret so you can't really tell by by [TS]

  that I suppose but like I was trying to look at the categories because the Germans do have categories applied to them. [TS]

  You can see ones they have tools like like you look at a day in the time in the factories to have tools like a [TS]

  theatrical text you know session [TS]

  and like the columns like media like in a prominent slot over they have to do of a media like some new A.V. [TS]

  Foundation stuff and I hope not. And I'm trying to figure out that if if they did a big Apple T.V. or Vision say. [TS]

  Allowing apps of some kind or making a Ford [TS]

  or something like that they are there enough slots in prominent positions to do that I don't know I mean the apple I [TS]

  didn't but the i Pod touch down here to this God knows when they update that [TS]

  but I would like to see your vision of the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Even as it is to a hardware bump and like a reasonable software evasion like given out for the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Set you've given up and I'm fixing T.V. Because you know all the rumors are that any T.V. [TS]

  Stuff they have is not this year probably I don't know. [TS]

  Again I'm trying to think about so what hardware do we get in no hardware and here is the announcement. [TS]

  Which way do you think will be updated First the i Pod Classic the i Pod Touch or the MacMini. I'm going to go with Mac. [TS]

  Many there I think I think the i Pod Touch as a tough race though they're both they're both pretty [TS]

  and a guy's not going to have a classic I'll tell you that [TS]

  but I don't think they'll change that until they can get the parts anymore. [TS]

  Discontinuing it would count as an update in that case maybe I really am having a hard time thing of her I guess. [TS]

  Someone put a random act of prose [TS]

  and those are the one due for an update that they could be able to what would you do to them besides reducing the price [TS]

  and maybe offering more RAM or bigger faster S.S.D. Is like Broadwell's not ready you're not going to change a C.P. [TS]

  Use. [TS]

  Exactly that's the problem [TS]

  and that's why I don't think we're going to see any new Macs unless they are a new form factor using the old C.P. [TS]

  Is because there's just there's nothing new to put in them Apple does not do major updates to products without a new [TS]

  Intel chipset to put in them they just don't they you know they'll do minor stuff [TS]

  and don't even bother with an announcement or they'll do a whole new line that doesn't need a new C.P.U. [TS]

  That they can use and it was already available in a new way [TS]

  but they're not going to release like you know because you're right you know what they do it's like like I know they're [TS]

  OK announce a new mac pro already because there's no New Zealand yet and you can always tell [TS]

  when the grants new macros will usually. [TS]

  You were able to always tell before they went through your that do anything to it by just looking at the maps they [TS]

  aren't well when one of the New Zealand's coming out that are that are the series that the macro uses [TS]

  and as soon as there's news Iams within a month or two there's a new purpose. [TS]

  Same thing with a laptop you can see Intel's roadmap and Intel releases new C.P.U.'s about every year [TS]

  and this year's are delayed [TS]

  and so therefore I suspect it's pretty pretty it's pretty it's a pretty safe bet that all new mac watchers are going to [TS]

  be delayed until the winter or the spring is the perfect time for them to read the i Pod Touch. [TS]

  Because because like it's so far behind that easy to like you put a six in it you know I'm not as good as Paul put in a [TS]

  seven and who cares like this but it's still it's still a five yeah. [TS]

  Oh my God I think it is a game keep track it's all they don't even remember how old is it has a tall screen rightly [TS]

  their phone five probably isn't a section it I don't know someone someone look at it super slow compared to the i Phone [TS]

  five S. Will tell you that the chat rooms as a five still. [TS]

  Oh that's terrible and another thing they're going to do this [TS]

  but like it's the one product that they have that they could easily provide an update to if they cared [TS]

  but they don't so whatever and they hardly sell any of them. [TS]

  Yeah so and as I'm saying it's not going to happen [TS]

  but you know they were desperate for some hardware that would be give me your own you're keeping the entire line afloat [TS]

  you're the only one by now. Lots of children. I just bought another one. [TS]

  I couldn't believe I did this because like you know against my religion to buy an Apple device that's old like I bought [TS]

  I volunteer my sign because you want to run for his birthday [TS]

  and so now he's got one he's like the worst time to have this thing but kids like them. [TS]

  My daughter's up so that she doesn't have one now she wants one so I'm trying to resist buying a second one [TS]

  or third one I don't know how do you go i Pod touch in the south. [TS]

  Just getting a new i Phone this fall and give her your current one. [TS]

  Doug and I will see about that will say within the i Phone looks like it's a big giant five point five inch thing [TS]

  and it's going to look like an i Phone. [TS]

  If you look like it's going to look like an i Pad Mini and if the rumors are to be believed. [TS]

  Maybe the big one does you know maybe the i Phone Air or the the big five point five inch one. [TS]

  Yeah we'll see I don't know. [TS]

  All right the hardware with Seems like we don't know what the heck is going on here with hardware we can none of us can [TS]

  think of anything that we think is a slam dunk for our board to see if they're going to do another MacBook Air I bet [TS]

  they will do it here like if they're going to do a twelve something this would be the time to do it because they have [TS]

  no other good existing product updates. [TS]

  But really I think the the most obvious answer is if they're going to announce any hardware at all which is not a given [TS]

  but if they're going out any hardware at all it's probably going to be some new category [TS]

  and you know not just right now [TS]

  but you know something like watch sensor ear bud pinky ring whatever you know some kind of new thing. [TS]

  Because this is a really good time to do that. If they're if they're not and it could even just be Apple T.V. [TS]

  You know ten point or whatever where Apple T.V. [TS]

  Is now a full fledged platform that you can write apps for [TS]

  or something like that you know that could be the big thing this year [TS]

  and some of those sessions I don't know anything about that have to do with media. Could be Apple T.V. [TS]

  Development that's true. [TS]

  I haven't been following the rumors that closely [TS]

  but didn't have the consensus been that Apple wearable you know center support and stuff will come and I was six [TS]

  but Apple supporting hardware would only come later in the year I haven't been keeping up human aid [TS]

  but yeah I mean I think it's tough I mean it wouldn't be unprecedented for them to have to not mention anything [TS]

  and then announce new hardware in the fall that has some new feature [TS]

  and then like spring on developers with like a Point One of the or the very last bit S.T.K. [TS]

  or Something like that that they have done that before in fact they did it with the M seven seven chip in the F one [TS]

  five S. They did that the whole thing. [TS]

  But something that actually like a big a big deal like a new sensor a whole new sensor type. [TS]

  I mean that would be tough [TS]

  and if they're going to show up help book you know maybe they might preannounce something involving that because it's [TS]

  kind of you know a health book as you know right now with the sensors that we that we know about now is pretty much [TS]

  spot on or plus plus but if you if we're going to do new sensors and they're going to rival so I don't know. [TS]

  I'm I'm guessing that we see some new category be announced at the B.B.C. [TS]

  and I don't know what that category will be whether it's Apple T.V. [TS]

  Major update that's now developable or whether it's you know over a span watch thing who knows. [TS]

  I bet it's going to be something like that [TS]

  or something something that we have not been able to develop for use before that we can now develop for use I suppose. [TS]

  Do you think it's about time for the Apple T.V. To get a visual refresh the software not the hardware. [TS]

  Yes I was talking about stopping a stupid grid around rectangles [TS]

  and start having you know a richer interface unthinking it's so dark now [TS]

  when I was seven is so bright I almost wonder if just making it brighter [TS]

  and more i OS seven like would be an improvement and additionally isn't running not a fork but kind of a fork of I.I.S. [TS]

  Isn't in the right so yeah it definitely does not. It looks dated. No question of looks dated. [TS]

  I don't think the interface is scaling very well like as they keep adding more [TS]

  and more of these channels in the rounded oval keeps getting you know the list of those keep getting longer [TS]

  and longer and longer. [TS]

  It definitely is not scaling Well I mean if you just look at like look at a Roku and Amazon's T.V. Fire T.V. [TS]

  Thing like four where Apple T.V. [TS]

  Like what they want competition is currently doing and Apple is still pretty far behind. Although as a plasma T.V. [TS]

  Owner I hope Apple does not go the I O. S. [TS]

  Seven route and make it all white and anyone who owns a positive he knows why. [TS]

  Enough but because it is a because it makes it harder or white white screens use more power more power draw because of. [TS]

  The transformer buzz to be louder [TS]

  and yes all of the lovely sacrifices that I make including having fans my television tickets if your picture one of [TS]

  them is if you make screen all white you get a more honorable transform. [TS]

  So having a black background is preferable to me. [TS]

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  Anyway anything else on wearables. [TS]

  Yeah we have in the shadows for a while we like to Craig Hockenberry thing about Apple wearables [TS]

  and I've been thinking about it as well [TS]

  and might my thinking unwearable has changed over time over time of Apple doing nothing [TS]

  and the more I think about wearables them I keep seeing every good thing in their head like something that goes around [TS]

  your wrist that has this amazing pewters looking looking screen on it that does something [TS]

  or that you interact with by swiping or not and I like this just like you see these mock ups they look really cool [TS]

  but it's like well then how would you use it. [TS]

  And everything we're seeing from actual rumors from Apple or like the help book stuff [TS]

  and that's all about having an application on your phone that integrates information from other sensors so [TS]

  when I think of Apple wearables now I keep thinking of things that either don't have screens [TS]

  or have things that are like barely screens I mean like the Fitbit have their various little displays with the ladies [TS]

  and stuff because screens are a problem. [TS]

  Like you can't have a screen on all the reasons and things like that don't have big L.C.D. Screens. [TS]

  You can have a screen all the time the battery will run out if you don't have your phone screen on all the time you [TS]

  just take it out you look at the screen you put it away turn the screen off [TS]

  but the screens on all the time it can't really function as a watch because you go to you know think of all the smart [TS]

  watches that make a good little jiggle shake to turn on a tap or to turn on or you know [TS]

  and I think one of the apple want out of this they want more sensors and more information integrate it into your phone. [TS]

  Does that require a screen that's always on our screen at all. [TS]

  Not that I'm saying Apple wearable won't have a screen [TS]

  but I think there is a there's a place in our current conception with within known information of what Apple's trying [TS]

  to do with you know sensors and integration for things you attach to your person [TS]

  or clothing somewhere that doesn't need to have a screen [TS]

  and it could be that they also have a device that has a screen [TS]

  but everything I'm seeing out of Apple makes me think some little Terry thing that will look nice [TS]

  but doesn't doesn't need to have screens I mean it's a ring like Hockenberry thing [TS]

  but I think that's so fantasy I can imagine and point out awful though. [TS]

  Feel free to prove me wrong apple doesn't mean it couldn't be around your wrist maybe you could maybe get have a maybe [TS]

  they have some breakthrough screen technology that can be all the time I may begin to use color. [TS]

  You know that all sorts of crazy things you can come up with. [TS]

  And certainly a lot of the rumors from years ago are like Apple's investigating curve flexible screen technology [TS]

  or things that are go on your wrist and you can still touch them stuff like that [TS]

  but I just want to throw that out there that what the vibe I have been getting from the information available is that [TS]

  there is a place [TS]

  and Apple's a grand conception of health monitoring it helps because they are like that for something that doesn't [TS]

  necessarily have to have something that we recognize is the I completely agree I think if Apple does do some sort of [TS]

  wearable thing I am pretty convinced it will not have a screen [TS]

  and additionally I think it will have some sort of sensor. [TS]

  Almost certainly health related that the i Phone either can't or doesn't [TS]

  or perhaps won't have I don't know what that would be like pulse would be a great example if you could do it [TS]

  comfortably [TS]

  but I can't imagine how that would work unless you could you know grab whatever Leyton electricity you have in your [TS]

  life. [TS]

  Wrister finger or whatever [TS]

  but I see it personally I see is what the whatever they're wearable is as a mechanism to sell more phones because hey [TS]

  look at all this wonderful health or [TS]

  or perhaps other kind of data you can get into the phone if you have the Apple I ring [TS]

  and I'm not sure it's going to be running obviously [TS]

  but just for the sake of conversation so I agree with you John I pretty convinced it was out of a screen [TS]

  and will be all about sensors and sensor stuff like I don't know a lot about medical centers [TS]

  but like talking about being able to track Oku bells [TS]

  and don't the things you some kind of light they shine through your fingertips and stop [TS]

  and see how to read things I know I have no idea how these things work but like [TS]

  when I think of stuff like that I think of like all the i Phone Sex could have you know the Touch I.D. [TS]

  Sensor someplace that you put your hand but you don't know when it clipped your fingertip [TS]

  when you go through the day and you can clip something to your you know the end of your shirt or your bra [TS]

  or something [TS]

  and have that measuring your O two levels like I don't I don't even understand which parts of the body you need to clip [TS]

  things to to get this information or if it's going to be like a once or twice a day. [TS]

  Put your finger on the special spot on your i Phone six type things so you know Apple has been hiring these people for [TS]

  visualizations of medical information. [TS]

  Remember those hires back then of like like there's so much smoke there [TS]

  and just don't understand what the what form the fire's going to take. [TS]

  Maybe you're right maybe it is the home button because that's something like If you think about all the different [TS]

  places you can have a wearable you have like you know wrist bands but that could be on the outside of a shirt. [TS]

  Now you've got a long sleeve shirt there if they could be on the outside of it you know maybe not always [TS]

  but it might be you can't really count on that. [TS]

  You know rings I think you're right I think we're probably not there tied to the yet to be able to fit everything in [TS]

  something as small as a ring. Yeah but but the home button. [TS]

  You're always pushing with your finger throughout the day and so that actually makes a lot of sense. [TS]

  The wrist thing for even stuff like Pulse you would never want to risk thing that was tight enough on your wrist to [TS]

  measure your pulse like people don't like [TS]

  and that you know I mean it's like it's not like you'd be in a blood pressure cuff all day [TS]

  but it's like even just to take a bare poles I feel like you have to have something that is fairly uncomfortable as [TS]

  there's a reason that people don't walk around with the sensors on them all day like you were going to the doctor's [TS]

  office and hoping that you and you want to get them off you know so I mean I don't like it [TS]

  and the thing about wearables like we're so much focus to help give us a little nugget of information that we have like [TS]

  a vague screenshot rumor site type things of health book [TS]

  and it's like well what good what good growth overall good health but how is it any different in Phnom [TS]

  or plus plus unless you have some other information and if you know where that information coming from [TS]

  and that's what we're going to like that well that's a third party opportunity Apple basically make the A.P. [TS]

  Eyes and Fitbit and whoever can make new devices that will feed into this A.P.I. [TS]

  and The like than where is Apple now where is the apple. [TS]

  Where is the new category as the question we continue asking and I guess I will give this year end [TS]

  and there's nothing that you can wear from Apple and they haven't done anything to Apple T.V. [TS]

  Like you know something's wrong because you know him said Man new category. [TS]

  I think you're right also that you know going back a step you know with the whole screen no screen thing like whatever [TS]

  this thing is I said it before [TS]

  and I'll keep saying it every episode I would never bet against the smartphone at least not for a long time in the [TS]

  current era that we are in the smartphone is king. [TS]

  Smartphones are awesome [TS]

  and it is so unwise to bet against them as attention to that if you're thinking about having something that you're also [TS]

  going to be carrying around. [TS]

  It makes so much more sense for it to be a smartphone accessory then its own standalone thing of some sort. [TS]

  And the smartphone has all the power it has all the connectivity it has way more battery power than you can fit in a [TS]

  quote wearable the wearable is a backpack [TS]

  and so it is unwise to try to cram a whole bunch of power sucking stuff into wearable including the screen. [TS]

  Yeah you could do it so it only takes power to change the kind of the screen you could do that [TS]

  but it looks like crap and I can't see Apple doing that you can't touch that like they know you could [TS]

  but it just takes takes more power it wouldn't respond to your touch in real time like with all the right touches like [TS]

  that you feel you can directly manipulate something and all [TS]

  and all the mock ups are like some big curved glass screen looks like you're wearing like the bracelet equivalent of [TS]

  Cinderella's glass slippers. [TS]

  Right all right I have let me just make something that's like Saw Glasper I wrestle I can bang there is a table of [TS]

  shards of glass drive anyway you know that's what I meant. But what would you do with that. [TS]

  Can you imagine trying to swipe a smooth like you have a time yet and rotating it around your wrist [TS]

  and where you very wary I'm swiping Anyway you swiping longitudinally [TS]

  or like across it in like how could you use an interface like if you tried to use any of the recent i Pod Nano is where [TS]

  they have touch screens and a tiny little space is not much that you can do reasonably with a screen that size [TS]

  and if you look at smart watches that exist today that from other people in order to have any kind of interactivity on [TS]

  a smart watch it has to be pretty big and bulky and that's not cool. [TS]

  It's not sexy it is not appealing it is it is a wearable certainly but it's a wearable that nobody wants to wear [TS]

  and you know if Apple like and these things that are catching on big time things like fuel band [TS]

  and fit that's they're smaller they're subtle you don't have to like take them out constantly you can leave them tucked [TS]

  tucked under your sleeve or clip here or in your pants pocket or something. You can leave them hidden away. [TS]

  Do you like wearing electronics is is just not cool. Well they start looking like this I guess this. [TS]

  Start with Lance Armstrong may have breast cancer [TS]

  and I got all the things that people would wear as showing their support for some cause [TS]

  or you know what like those little colored like the Fuel Band looks so much like the Whenever you know Lance Armstrong [TS]

  bracelet things or the Breast Cancer Awareness pink things like [TS]

  and we've just sort of accepted that you have a regular outfit [TS]

  and then will be the other thing that you wear that doesn't call attention to itself [TS]

  and you don't spend much time interacting with [TS]

  and those were totally nonfunctional they were just pieces of rubber that that word stamped [TS]

  and them they increased awareness John. Yeah right. [TS]

  And now now we have one that has stuff inside the end of the day you get to count my steps or whatever [TS]

  and you know I just get someone here with a medical sensing expert to say that they could probably tell us exactly look [TS]

  if you want you know Paul this is the only place you can get it now if you want you know blood oxygenation is the only [TS]

  way you can get it [TS]

  and this is how to give you the answers are all out there we just don't happen to know them right so let's talk about [TS]

  oh S. Ten ten point ten low as a Ferrari or Ferrari. [TS]

  Yeah I feel like Super Troopers with the meow game anyway so I think we can round up the our show with which I was able [TS]

  let's start with a less and got a Marty something. I was ten ten ten. [TS]

  What do you expect to me I expect some sort of this will refresh. I said I don't think it'll be full bore. [TS]

  I was seven [TS]

  but I think it'll be somewhere in that direction I think is going to is going to have another name the police haven't [TS]

  heard of that I could be pluralized. [TS]

  I don't think it'll be awfully pluralized but I do think that it will have maybe will end with like a dear I N G. [TS]

  I'm going to go on record and say it will be a place that we recognize even is reeling even as non Californians [TS]

  and in a place where we aren't on vacation all the time. [TS]

  As much as I was rooting for the cat names to [TS]

  and now that they have I realize that with their new theme it's basically impossible to try to guess you know to me [TS]

  like a certain number. [TS]

  Big cats and they started to work their way through them so it became a fun game to guess what the next one will be [TS]

  but there's a lot of cities in California so forget about that a lot of places a gallop morning. [TS]

  And yeah there are the prominent ones we can all think of you know your seventy's Emre just go whatever. [TS]

  But like considering they started with Mavericks seems like they're going obscure I agree the other thing this is very [TS]

  minor but I really really want and I believe this is a combination of I was eight [TS]

  and I was ten I really want to airdrop between my devices and my computer. [TS]

  We have the police you know I'm still you know in pictures to myself because it's faster than everything else. [TS]

  It's so so ridiculous. I still you know so much crap to myself. It's really embarrassing. [TS]

  Yeah I'd really like that and I'd like a male app that works properly although I like airmail quite a bit. [TS]

  But I'd like a like the standard out of the box mail I have to work again [TS]

  and I think in about ten ten besides a visual refresh which I think is enough you know that why we sleep be like be the [TS]

  headliner feature of this release it's like now we have finally have time to revise things look all either love it [TS]

  or complain about it or depending what they do but that's not I mean that's a big change [TS]

  and it could affect applications in profound ways. [TS]

  But in terms of like the underpinnings that's not like I don't think you're doing anything out of things to enable this [TS]

  new look [TS]

  or anything so that like what is this one is always about is it just a visual refresh what features you know what needs [TS]

  to be done to the chorus and what could be done. [TS]

  Will they continue to just I mean I'm sure they make things better in little little bits [TS]

  but like last year the big theme was power saving and I have lots of technology to support that. [TS]

  This year the big theme will be visual refresh [TS]

  but that was not technology to support that really I mean obviously new file system is Evergreen [TS]

  and they can bring that out any time they want but I have no expectations. Everything else about the O. S. [TS]

  Like you can point to individual parts of us that can be tightened up and made better but Mavericks will. [TS]

  The exception of the application because well if you use Apple Mail you know I feel sorry for you [TS]

  but if you have even before that I've been a fan for a long time [TS]

  but that makes you like Mavericks was a terrible release but in terms of the core O.-S. [TS]

  Very very few problems are mavericks everywhere really early [TS]

  and they just have not been a lot of weird things not even like weird application compatibility things that were only [TS]

  on point three we went ten one two and three since last year. [TS]

  Yeah I would say overall with the section of my clock always being fast which I think ten nine three might have fixed. [TS]

  It's really solid I mean I know I've always wondered [TS]

  when I'd always I wondered recently if it will ever be worth it for them to modernize app kit [TS]

  and maybe not replace it with you I keep a bring a lot of the U.I. [TS]

  Kit lessons back into advocate because right now if you want to write the app for i OS [TS]

  and MAC there's very little GUI code you can share because abc it just works very very differently than you I get it. [TS]

  It has a lot of legacy baggage [TS]

  and I don't know enough about it to really talk that much more about it besides this very high level overview [TS]

  but I've often wished like you know I don't how to develop for four for I was pretty well now I know you I clearly Well [TS]

  I don't know anything about app kit I just know it's very different there's a lot of things that don't work the same [TS]

  way and aren't as nice or aren't a simple [TS]

  and so it would be I would love it if they would bring a lot of you like it in the parts that make sense. [TS]

  Obviously certain things are going to make sense outside of like the full screen touch environment [TS]

  but bring over the parts that make sense with things like how views are dealt with you know all layer back stuff like [TS]

  you can do all that in but it's you know oftentimes it's like it's not the default or it's hard or it's different [TS]

  or it's somehow tricky. [TS]

  If they would bring some of that development framework and [TS]

  when you're doing a major visual refresh that would be a pretty good time to do it. [TS]

  I think that would go a long way and for. [TS]

  Certainly I think it is very unrealistic because it just seems like they're stretched so thin [TS]

  and the mac is not that high of a priority that would justify all those development resources if they're also having to [TS]

  work on. I was eight i Pad version of it which is still terrible. [TS]

  Plus whatever you know whatever else [TS]

  and your resources are being developed devoted to for things like new categories whether it's Apple T.V. [TS]

  or Something you know we we know from from hints and bits and pieces here [TS]

  and there we know that a lot of people at Apple are working on something secret that is relatively new [TS]

  or relatively recent [TS]

  but we still don't know what that is so is there something else draining engineering resources that apple. [TS]

  Yeah I hate that phenomenon like that as far as we can tell from the outside the happened five Apple something big new [TS]

  an important come [TS]

  and that team like you know harvest the best engineers from other teams leaving them sort of with I guess the lesser [TS]

  people or the people who didn't want to move and those people go off and disappear for a while Mark [TS]

  and some new thing it's like that's fun and it makes for good articles after the fact [TS]

  but it's kind of like one of I like the product those guys used to be working on. [TS]

  Now they're just going to get fewer resources. [TS]

  But I mean I think I think you're right about like the main thing preventing like the reason we don't have parity like [TS]

  Microsoft only I was recently like how you can write a GUI app and you can write it in Windows eight [TS]

  and you can run on tablets and run on phones and it's like the same app with you know minor changes or whatever. [TS]

  And Apple doesn't have that [TS]

  and things mostly just because the Mac's not a bigger platform to paradise I was like that's always that's always going [TS]

  to be the thing when you're trying to prioritize resources well how many i Phones that we saw last year [TS]

  and how many Mac like. And then they are modernising up yet like make a new table system doesn't use an S.S.L. [TS]

  A couple years back it's not the same as like so here you go here you I get on the Mac. [TS]

  But the worst warts get get covered over [TS]

  but like it's just the people who are left there working on apt get who are who are doing that [TS]

  and they don't have resources. I was a team is obviously much bigger. I mean you're right. [TS]

  As part of it or refresh it a visual refresh includes like as much it looks like Iowa seven [TS]

  or the visual refresh relies more on layer back and told maybe it's time to revise a few more A.P.R.'s here [TS]

  and there but I don't know. [TS]

  I'm having trouble thinking of KORUS feature is unless you think of something I mean not that I think it doesn't need [TS]

  them. I'm trying to think of peaches that that Apple put the resources towards like the kernel in the core O.-S. [TS]

  Like they could do lots of interesting things there. But what's the motivation for that. [TS]

  Right I guess the motivation would be we want to do this because it will benefit you know the chorus of benefits I owe [TS]

  us [TS]

  and know us tens of they change the kernel you know the macro does reap the benefit as you know as a side effect of doing [TS]

  that but really kernel stuff and core of us [TS]

  and shared frameworks you know things like you know from from his a coronation lead on to newer stuff like you know [TS]

  Grand Central Dispatch an auto layout like all these like these major advances that come to both platforms to their [TS]

  lower level that you know that will keep that will continue. You know that will be fine but it's the high level U.I. [TS]

  Stuff that is so radically different between the two platforms [TS]

  and I was as you know to some degree it should be because they're two different interaction paradigms. [TS]

  But there's a lot of stuff that could be shared that isn't only because of legacy concerns it seems [TS]

  but I think you're right I think the idea will never be worth it to Apple to invest their engineering resources which [TS]

  are very limited and strained which I think is a big problem. [TS]

  But to invest their limited train engineer resources into this platform that is such a small part of their business [TS]

  these days which is I think the shame I think that's wrong. I think that that's better parodies ation. [TS]

  But that's probably going to do is we see that as much as we want Apple to have more resources for whatever reason they [TS]

  just keep not having them [TS]

  and they seem to have a very small pool of engineering ability that they selectively choose you know that. [TS]

  Why that's why some of the applications that people were talking about how long it's been since average has been [TS]

  updated and looks so on average are as always been dysfunctional in this in this regard. [TS]

  But like it just seems like you know things that are not the new hotness at Apple. [TS]

  Just get ignored for years with nothing being done to them for years because there's there's nobody working on them [TS]

  or there's like one person responsible for maintaining it while the rest of the team is sent off to do something newer [TS]

  and more you know more exciting that you know that that's some new product [TS]

  or that's going to get them in the news again [TS]

  and it's a shame because there's a lot of Apple stuff that really could use some attention and some love [TS]

  and you like like what happened with I work having gone so long with no update [TS]

  and then what feels like a pretty rushed up date that happened you know last fall that kind of mess everything up. [TS]

  This happens all over cause Apple's entire product line both hardware and software especially in software [TS]

  and you can just tell it there's so much stuff and software where it just seems like no one's working on it [TS]

  and it's probably the case with Apple's team they're kept pretty small you know on the file system from the only hope I [TS]

  have file systems that is the type of thing I mean they could have been working on it for years without me hearing [TS]

  about it I suppose [TS]

  but a file system is something I don't think you can develop between two major releases like it's a multi-year project [TS]

  you have to be super careful you have to maintain all your semantics [TS]

  and presently you're adding value to the new features to deal with as well. [TS]

  And yes Apple definitely needs a new file system but they don't see it working on it. As far as I'm aware. [TS]

  But they do have core storage and as I point out in the past I stand [TS]

  or use a lot of the things that core storage already does on Macs today are very similar to the things that a file [TS]

  system will need to do [TS]

  and so it's possible that what they've done for core storage can slowly continue to evolve its way towards a system [TS]

  whereby the disk appears to be a vast plus [TS]

  but most of the actual management of blocks on disk like like it ends up being core storage with a thin veneer of it. [TS]

  Yes plus over it. [TS]

  Which is kind I mean if you've used core storage now that's not the way I don't know I don't I don't know they can [TS]

  manage a layer in between those things because I said course or to keep track of where things are in disk [TS]

  and manages block and does all these interesting things [TS]

  and this is actually the one of the more interesting modern file system type things that Apple has done in recent years [TS]

  to enable things like the new file vault which is so much better than the old one and [TS]

  but you know this device was still sitting there still having crappy features still corrupting itself you know still [TS]

  being in its own crate still being single thread and still doing its own cranky self and so responses [TS]

  and I was there I says to him I was talking about this in the context of a Mac. [TS]

  But you know your i Phones are running each of us as well I think they actually just restore your phone could all your [TS]

  apps they run the case sensitive version of it I forget if they still do that or if they ever did that. [TS]

  But anyway a new file system or a lack of a file system [TS]

  or liking native core storage against NAND are something that will benefit I was devices [TS]

  and so I think that's got to happen eventually because that's Apple's bread and butter right. [TS]

  It's not like oh this is the mac thing it's never going to happen. No it's an entire Apple platform thing. [TS]

  Everything you say trust us [TS]

  and you know this performance to be had there are features to be added in this reliability to be improved every axis [TS]

  along you know Apple can improve in this regard [TS]

  and none of them I guess I didn't think any Democrat Well it could be more reliable that reliable enough. [TS]

  Well it could have better performance but the performance is good enough you know. [TS]

  Well we could have more features for the features we have are good enough they can keep saying that [TS]

  but eventually it's going to not be true [TS]

  and I hope they don't you know this is not like a new language thing where they have to start twenty years ahead of [TS]

  time but this is like a three year project. [TS]

  Easy I mean we'll see what happens but there's going to have to be a time when the file system changes [TS]

  and I'm a little scared that if the file system does change that you'll just quit this pod cast because you have no [TS]

  reason to complain about it anymore. That seems unlikely. Yeah I know I know. [TS]

  Anything else on the new Mavericks that won't be called Mavericks. [TS]

  I'm really curious to see what they do with that I mean like you know besides initial or refreshed O S ten is it. [TS]

  It's it's pretty mature at this point you know that the releases less [TS]

  and less generally over time at home there are so many to ask to verify that [TS]

  but it just it seems like obviously like it's a mature product. [TS]

  The gains to be had are smaller [TS]

  and smaller releases especially by speeding up to releases happening every year as opposed to before it was like every [TS]

  eighteen to twenty four months. Well they still they still keep doing this. [TS]

  That's the thing that with the early releases they still keep doing stuff to the internals that I think I would never [TS]

  want to risk any yearly release. Like if you look at. [TS]

  That's why I'm so surprised Mavericks is on the wall if you look at they did with the power saving stuff in the new [TS]

  A.P.I. It's like they're always monkeying with like you know even if it's just like screwing with launch D. [TS]

  Again or like you know they're adding minor features and doing minor tweaks and minor improvements [TS]

  but there are two parts of the system that if you screw up in any way nothing works. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  and so even though they're not big changes every year they do that they did it in Snow Leopard two I go you know no new [TS]

  features [TS]

  but they screw with everything in there I mean it's good like getting the chorus theme does a great job of that like [TS]

  you know what munchies there and it works but it could be better. [TS]

  And let's add these features and tightens up and make it use less memory into this [TS]

  and it's like those features are all down to the kernel if you mess up even the little bit of that destroys the [TS]

  stability and reliability of entire O. S. [TS]

  and Mavericks I think they did a good job they didn't do they screw up the applications like mail [TS]

  and you know get all screwed up [TS]

  but that's like I think end users are more concerned about that like they're like oh maverick sucks because my mail [TS]

  broke and I understand that perspective but from my perspective I think of the O. S. [TS]

  As the you know the core O.S.'s [TS]

  and they continue to bravely make changes to the chorus on a yearly schedule in areas that are super risky [TS]

  and managed to not screw it up you know it's true. Yeah I was actually surprised like with all the Mavericks car. [TS]

  Changes like changing kernel timings of things like that sounds like a pretty risky thing to do but they did it [TS]

  and it seemed like it was flawless I mean it seemed like it caused no noticeable problems. [TS]

  It was it was really quite solid or even even your bad clock I disagree with N T P D like a screw [TS]

  but how they do time [TS]

  or whatever like that's the type of thing where like why did they change it was broken before both know that someone so [TS]

  they could do it they got a lot of it in terms of energy saving you know that let's do it so we can you know if we're [TS]

  doing things repeatedly we had they had all these new instrumentation to see what who's waking up the C.P.U. [TS]

  and Stocking like this dividends waking up the C.P.U. [TS]

  and Like so they change and that's an example of where they screwed it up and you know it had bugs in it or whatever [TS]

  but everything's up for grabs every If you run P.S. [TS]

  Until it does in processes those are all things that they can improve them. [TS]

  One of the good ones I haven't seen the stupid blurry icon bug that has been haunting or stand for years and years. [TS]

  Do you guys get this one. Were all the sudden your doc I cancelled look like they're half or as M.B. [TS]

  All pixilated and zoomed up I've never seen. [TS]

  I would occasionally get that with just what I'd want to happen be half [TS]

  or as an annex I might launch it up it may be correct. [TS]

  Yeah sometimes but it would spread like a virus like you know open a window and did all that [TS]

  but some of them are messed up and some of them the good that bug was in the O. S. [TS]

  For so long and from people I talk to about the Lego Mavericks will actually fix that. [TS]

  Fingers crossed and upgrade to marriage I have not seen that bug [TS]

  and so that makes me happy because someone you know the icon services thing you know it's like it's like [TS]

  when they update the font demon tons of processes there and they keep improving them [TS]

  and I like that I just get a little bit nervous about it on a yearly schedule. [TS]

  One thing that struck me as a little weird is we haven't heard very much chatter about O.S.'s ten ten ten. [TS]

  There's been a lot of talk about health book about all the other things that may be coming in I O. S. [TS]

  and I know that that's that I was the darling of everyone's i hate the moment [TS]

  but there's been very little talk that I've heard about ten ten [TS]

  and that's that's a little scary if there's not much happening. [TS]

  What kind of awesome if they really finally did double down on secrecy [TS]

  and I will say all the things you listed would be visual refresh is going to be big That's whatever you going to write [TS]

  about. [TS]

  Right you I could come into the mac would be big that would be a headliner feature Hey all you IOS developers now [TS]

  suddenly you have an easy way to make a mac Apple we one encourage you to do that because you know the halo effect to [TS]

  get the MAC more popular right. [TS]

  New file system core storage stuff will be big among there it's like there is plenty of areas they could put on there [TS]

  that they could put those bullet points in the website never me like wow my ghost towns also Leto's great California I [TS]

  don't even believe it is. [TS]

  So to that end before we start I would say talk while you guys are going back and forth for a few minutes [TS]

  and John you are making a couple of really brilliant points before I had the chance to make them in so I could've [TS]

  sounded brilliant. Damnit I was looking at the schedule for W.D.C. [TS]

  and I was digging through it and looking at the amount [TS]

  or the categories that each of these sessions are a part of because if you look at the schedule even the ones that are [TS]

  to be announced they stop the category listed so I looked [TS]

  and buy quick counters I'm still trying to pay attention what you guys are saying there are thirty five frameworks [TS]

  sessions seven hundred media session in nineteen twenty all sessions. [TS]

  Additionally I thought well let me look at what's in Presidio which if you don't know is the biggest room within [TS]

  Mosconi the way Apple sets it up [TS]

  and so really important things that are going to be really really popular for everyone to hear. [TS]

  Tend to be impresario for example the keynote. [TS]

  So I recounted and among the things that are not yet announced so the things that are still to be announced. [TS]

  There are six frameworks sessions and pursued E.O. [TS]

  and Eight media sessions in Presidio and I didn't look at tools crap. [TS]

  But now I think there are there are eight toll sessions [TS]

  and percent you know I did not look to see if any of them were to be announced [TS]

  but that's actually it looks like at least half of them are to be announced most almost all of them all the tolls ones [TS]

  that's a lot of tools and a lot of media and a lot of framework stuff all to be announced norm Presidio. [TS]

  And it makes me wonder is something big going on that we just don't realize more than just a visual refresh. [TS]

  One of the media category look at the announced in the media getting what the hell's the media category. [TS]

  Probably too long to do live [TS]

  but we could we could look at last years where there's going to be an out there we know over the last year because a [TS]

  lot of the sessions get repeated [TS]

  or something similarly repeated you know every year are going to be stuff about you I network gain accessibility [TS]

  working with media working with Safari and web technologies like the others. [TS]

  There are certain sections that just get repeated every year and so we can kind of look at that to maybe eliminate [TS]

  and stuff but I don't. It certainly does sound like media is is being emphasized here. [TS]

  Oh hold on hold on I got that backwards I'm sorry there are eight to twelve sessions that are unannounced in pursuit of [TS]

  you know I got my wires a little crossed so there are definitely some media ones as well [TS]

  but I was told that I should have said instead of media I apologize. [TS]

  So there are six frameworks and six new framework sessions in Presidio [TS]

  and I believe there are eight new media sessions in Presidio something on those lines so it won't matter how you cut. [TS]

  Darn it I said media again tools. SESSIONS look at this right one day. [TS]

  So now that I've just completely confused everyone including myself Suffice to say there's a lot of tools [TS]

  and a lot of frameworks actually going on and to me that's indicative of something major and something big [TS]

  and something we're not thinking of the mills can be like Marcus that every one of the descriptions find out how to use [TS]

  the new blog was I was eight [TS]

  and oh it's ten Irvine right like I wouldn't I wouldn't read too much into into anything regarding the sessions at the [TS]

  conference because it is so arbitrary The categories are so large that it isn't. [TS]

  It isn't like the categories like Open G.L. [TS]

  It isn't that specific it's you know media technologies or something or you know there's they're so broad [TS]

  and we're not dealing with a massive data set here we're dealing with how many sessions are there like sixty [TS]

  or something like one hundred. There aren't that many. [TS]

  It isn't that big of a set and just there's not that much signal to the noise here. [TS]

  Yeah I mean I think of is that [TS]

  when you do a visual refresh like that with Iowa seven Think of all the sessions that were about like how to make your [TS]

  app not look like gas [TS]

  and Iowa seven like it was you know how to get how to get your views out from under the Status Bar Casey you can go to [TS]

  a session and how to do the ten color [TS]

  and all it like there was tons of sessions because it's like it's from the outside you know it's like oh I'm doing [TS]

  looks different [TS]

  but from a developer it's like oh how am I going to you know if I have custom controls are going to make them look nice [TS]

  Is there a new way to do these controlled how do I deal with text size changing like any kind of visual refresh has [TS]

  tons of sessions for the nitty gritty of like developers to figure out how to make their apps look [TS]

  and work right so important getting a big visual refresh. [TS]

  I would wager that well I don't know these days actually I was going to say that because I was to have more custom [TS]

  controls than I was maybe I don't know like it has a lot more controls total for the built in controls like people [TS]

  withdrawing their own things where you know I don't know I mean some some people aren't even using native controls at [TS]

  all like a dream they're all your own you are entirely themselves of us not a big deal [TS]

  but like I can imagine a lot of the the ball you know we basically know that ten visual refresh is coming a lot of the [TS]

  sessions are about how to make your app look in this new look where [TS]

  and you know Apple's design principles in this new look at it isn't just going to be you know here's a new skin if you [TS]

  like last year it's like I will here's here's a new look but we also want you to think about this this and this [TS]

  and you know it's actually like a rethinking [TS]

  and a redesign rather than just a rescan all of those fill that baffling session from my. [TS]

  Here I was having introduced the whole session about how to make your icons [TS]

  and all the example icons like super skeuomorphic like things look like they're made of yarn with grass growing on it. [TS]

  Yeah it was weird they actually even said at the beginning like keep making your icons the old way don't don't use the [TS]

  new style that we're using this really weird. [TS]

  I remembered that I was in there I remember thinking that was a very strange thing to say [TS]

  and as I think it might be I can factory greatest putting up like samples of the exco Palike you know experimentations [TS]

  and you know speculative sort of experimentations of how might the exco Python look like in a flatter O.-S. [TS]

  Ten world and I did two little samples and they looked really good [TS]

  but what what is the message going to be from Apple if they're going to be our although I stand I can begin to be [TS]

  redesigned to be Iowa seven file or whatever the new look [TS]

  but then they're going to tell us to make our icons now I don't know. [TS]

  Anyway visual changes cause lots of churn [TS]

  and lots of things that developers have to deal with so that covers at least a lot of the O S ten side of things which [TS]

  you have dial as I thought because I was it will probably not be a visual overhaul [TS]

  and yet I'm sure there is about I would say it right so it's coming in I would say so I really want [TS]

  and I'm not going to get it [TS]

  and I really want in some sort of enter app communication because as I think John said last episode if you fix inner [TS]

  app communication then you don't need panes of of apps running simultaneously on the i Pad thanks so much gets fixed [TS]

  with better Internet communication but I don't I'm not hopeful that it's going to happen. [TS]

  But aren't they going to do the remote view controller stuff that's private. [TS]

  One would think they have that we don't know if they're going to do anything with I mean where I want to make it make [TS]

  it public as the usual IMO I think it's private for a while then they get the kinks worked out of they make it public [TS]

  or do you still think it's going to stay private. [TS]

  Well I think it will stay an implementation detail of the system they actually make public if they do something like [TS]

  this because you can't like what you do you can't launch your own process. [TS]

  You know in Iowa that you can't do that so I would love to see them fix. [TS]

  Not necessarily what a lot of people consider interact medication I mean in Europe indication is is kind of a broad [TS]

  topic. There's a lot involved there. [TS]

  They can address a nice chunk of it by doing something like the windows a contractor Leander intenser rather have the [TS]

  back for that or no. But they have their own. OK something like that. [TS]

  One of those systems where you know apps can register [TS]

  and say I can provide photos to anything that offers a photo picker [TS]

  or somebody else can say I can I'm a search provider I can search for things or I accept photos [TS]

  or I accept your L's like [TS]

  and then be integrated into any kind of share sheet that that comes up in other apps like that's the kind of thing I [TS]

  want because that doesn't require like there was some something I think I think was on Gruber site something in the [TS]

  last couple days or so [TS]

  and are saying you know the problem is if you add something like the like the side by side in that was that was rumored [TS]

  last week. If you add something like that you're also adding complexity. [TS]

  And if you do something like the contract [TS]

  and intense systems you're adding a lot of power without adding a whole lot of of user complexity [TS]

  and there are certainly challenges to the systems things that you have to control and [TS]

  and possible problems could come up there's a lot of like weird you know things with like fraud [TS]

  and confusion that Apple would have to look for an app review. [TS]

  But they can do that they have all the all the tools in place to do that already like they're set up for that so I [TS]

  don't think that's going to be a big problem. [TS]

  I would just love to see them address that even if all they do is rip off what Windows Phone or Android does [TS]

  or you know take bits and pieces from both. [TS]

  That would be amazing that would be so much going on we have now [TS]

  and that would enable so many third party apps capabilities that either weren't possible before [TS]

  or were really clunky [TS]

  and rare before like you know like right now overcast I have a thing where if you tap your old you know what do you do [TS]

  with it [TS]

  and I have an open Safari activity I have an open in Chrome activity only because I wrote open in Chrome activity. [TS]

  You know what if it would be better if Chrome could just say I can accept your ills. [TS]

  A thing that shares your ills and I bring up the sheet and I give it a U.R.L. [TS]

  and It shows me a Chromebook they already have most of the pieces in place to do that already. [TS]

  That's all that's been there since I was six [TS]

  but the whole you actively system like that that it's almost all there already and the impression I got [TS]

  when poking around back when I was six was released two years ago. [TS]

  The impression I got a hint hint from people is that that kind of system was discussed or in progress [TS]

  and was cancelled or was delayed and so obvious and you can look at the U.I. [TS]

  To be says when you can see like OK this is obviously intended for something like this [TS]

  and the support for things like a few controllers like the pieces are all there. [TS]

  It's just a matter of doing a little bit more to expose it as an A.P.I. and Uncertainties challenges. [TS]

  There's like you know there's there's a pretty big tools challenge and [TS]

  and code design structure challenge with like All right well if I offer a remote view controller How do you present [TS]

  that to the user do you launch my entire appen the background and then have me bring up a certain view controller. [TS]

  How does that work you know that I was over with memory and A.P.I. [TS]

  Level and backgrounding like there are certainly some things to consider [TS]

  but it seems that they've already done most of the work for that [TS]

  and that you know it's it is certainly a limited form of entrapment cation [TS]

  but it's a massive step forward from what we have now and it would really be very beneficial. [TS]

  Yeah I thing I was Ada kind of the mavericks of Iowa in that from a use perspective it's going to seem like Iowa seven [TS]

  point five It's not going to look all that different in a lot of the new features are going to be internal. [TS]

  So while Mavericks is visually distinguishable from mountain lion from users perspective it wasn't that big a deal [TS]

  but there were a lot of changes on the hood and I was eight. [TS]

  I would imagine the same thing refinement of look features that probably aren't in the user space but that will slowly. [TS]

  Here as applications become you know I was IT savvy use the old term [TS]

  and that where you talking about having you know activity your type thing and having it with you or else [TS]

  and having some sort of system for you to configure it like oh I don't want you know probably one of the reasons I [TS]

  might have been canned is the whole idea of like on the mac applications that would say that they can handle you know [TS]

  Star I handle any application so the open with you know you see without occasion for every single file like sort of [TS]

  spamming the thing like what can open a U.R.L. [TS]

  and You see a list of nine thousand applications so you need some way to manage that as well that's another [TS]

  complication in the U.I. [TS]

  and That's the type of thing that could make you say we're not quite ready to do that [TS]

  and the same thing with like sandboxing do we just load your do a load like a laudable bundler framework [TS]

  but run it in the sandbox of your applications so that you have access to your document container and everything [TS]

  but your on screen the same time as somebody else and you have the down side by side apps on the i Pad anyway. [TS]

  They've already got to do probably two sandbox applications access to their own containers both on screen the same time [TS]

  which is you know not a big deal they called Windows. Back in the old world doing that anyway this place them. [TS]

  But yeah it seems like Maverick Star released with a lot of new A.P.I. [TS]

  For developers to adopt a couple of new things on the setting screen it's a new application you know the help book [TS]

  stuff and everything like that but you know not knocking me like I was a messenger [TS]

  and I don't think it really needs to be I mean I was seven I was seven was really a remarkable release in that they [TS]

  crammed in not only a massive visual overhaul and lots of rewriting of the built in apps to accommodate that [TS]

  but a lot of cool frameworks like major stuff things like text kit and all the background refresh stuff in the U.R.L. [TS]

  Session stuff. [TS]

  Major major changes to frameworks and [TS]

  and they fit all that into what really is I mean what I would what I would like to see. [TS]

  From is you know besides the in our communications approach which is a big deal you know just take all those frameworks [TS]

  they had last year just do some tweaks here and there like there's certain limitations and U.R.L. [TS]

  Session that I'd like to see listed but it's mostly minor stuff. [TS]

  The framework for getting really good you know even simple things that I was complaining to have said to go last week [TS]

  that's how like you the key chain A.P.I. Is ridiculous to use because it's still one of the old C. Based A.B.I. [TS]

  and They haven't made a nice object to see wrapper around it I think it did more of that like just a bunch of the of [TS]

  the stuff it's hard to use like the contact and the key chain stuff like that except it still uses old C. A.P.I. [TS]

  Is like just wrap some of that new classes so it's easier for people to use. [TS]

  I would love just a release like that just doing a bunch of small tweaks and improvements to the existing frameworks [TS]

  and then having one or two major new features and capabilities like the interaction airing things you know we'll see [TS]

  and then I like the idea of you know any new category or whatever is probably and have a bunch of new frameworks [TS]

  and stuff that you're not going to care about. [TS]

  If you don't have any interaction with whatever the hell if you're not running Apple T.V. [TS]

  Apps and you don't care about whatever new things they're there if you're not going to integrate with. [TS]

  So Apple wearable that you don't care about those remarks [TS]

  but those are always you know the extras they add on top sort of like the you know the controller the hardware [TS]

  controller interface. [TS]

  If you're not writing support a game that I was a part of our regular You're never going to like the new IP [TS]

  but hey it's new in Iowa so right so there's always that bushel of things that can be new and I would say [TS]

  and with health book supposedly in there that we all who to believe is coming there's got to be a bunch of new if you [TS]

  guys do that but maybe you're just not going to look at them because especially of an apple wearable tech [TS]

  and I like well fine. [TS]

  It's going to be so long before third party wearable takes advantage of this anyway [TS]

  and I'm not interested in for my pocket that I was thinking [TS]

  or that do you think that they'll be any sort of new springboard functionality like everyone keeps calling for widgets [TS]

  in either notification center spring board I'm ex. [TS]

  Streaming I'm convinced that would ever happen [TS]

  but is there anything that you can think of that would make springboard better. [TS]

  Yeah how have the little icons not slide. Someone tweeted that and I thought it was a reasonably good idea. [TS]

  Have you be able to delete icons that all the old ones arranging themselves I mean just trying to deal with to deal [TS]

  with the rearranging icons on the device is just talk [TS]

  or like it's a terrible game that we all do to our that like people just don't to enjoy so hard at a certain positions [TS]

  like the lower I think that the lower right corner is torture. [TS]

  Want one of the really hard to get there is a little extra lower than X. [TS]

  Pan or something [TS]

  or like as you're going through pages especially on my super slow a five as I'm going like I'm holding it against the [TS]

  edge in the things or scrolling by. [TS]

  Sometimes I get the animation takes too long [TS]

  and start it will end up shoving icons off like I'm not landing on this page I'm saying go to the last page [TS]

  and I take as I can from the first page into the last [TS]

  and as part of that process I will bump icons off all the intermediary pages by the time I get to the last page. [TS]

  Two new icons are there and I've shifted everything over. [TS]

  It's maddening and like it's just if [TS]

  when I moved one the other ones wouldn't slide into it's place that would help me rearrange things with a slight extra [TS]

  little bit of sanity but they're never going to that. But it drives me. [TS]

  Yeah there's not really a lot of springboard changes that I would really care that much about with the exception of for [TS]

  God's sake six newsstand or give that's a way to get out of it [TS]

  or give users a way to take cabs out of it because it is so annoying for everybody now for publishers [TS]

  and for users like I read stuff at the newsstand and it's like on the i Pad I think it was [TS]

  when the phone I only did on the pad but you know you have the app you exit the app [TS]

  and you have to separately then exit NEWSSTAND with [TS]

  and the tap on the home button if the wait for the animations to complete their NG in a folder right. [TS]

  It's so it's so bad [TS]

  and it's like just I read these same apps like one of the New York Times app I read that every night. [TS]

  What can I just move out of there please just let me put it on the street. [TS]

  Please so I can get rid of the stupid newsstand graphic it's so ho. Bad I mean hell. [TS]

  Let it let them all PIRA newsstand fine [TS]

  but also let them the outside like no one will ever go into NEWSNIGHT like of the some place [TS]

  or just let me drive them and now I need to group the moments you mention about like that. [TS]

  The widgets are like in Windows ponds live tiles or something like that. [TS]

  That of the complication that I see Apple not wanting to add [TS]

  but it may be inevitable that I am in the you know the today view that they have that shows you all the collection of [TS]

  information which is kind of configurable but not really not that good but we just have a bunch of icons [TS]

  and no real widgets like opening the door to that complexity is something they definitely don't want to do [TS]

  but at a certain point [TS]

  when everybody else else's phone has some way to sort of customize what you see on either your home screen [TS]

  or on your lock screen in ways that are beyond what our broken code allows you to customize. [TS]

  I think both is wise to not do that stuff as much as everyone else says [TS]

  but I think they're far enough behind now that they couldn't make another baby step in that direction [TS]

  but I would say no. [TS]

  Would freak out if remote view controllers are a thing that they that are being used for interrupting indication. [TS]

  Could that also be used for a widget like in the home screen or a notification center. [TS]

  I mean in theory yes like in theory they could use the background refresh system [TS]

  and you can color system together to guess like you know how to periodically update something [TS]

  and you know you'd be woken up every you know you it wouldn't be free [TS]

  when you would be able to like run like you know a news ticker constantly scrolling across area you know costly changed [TS]

  things maybe but maybe maybe waking up every day you know twenty minutes or something to let you put an update there. [TS]

  Can you even change your icon like the calendar app is that even public No that's never that's never been a LAN [TS]

  and same thing with your default like whatever is the default paying like the thing that comes up with very rapid [TS]

  launch you can hide in a newsstand can change its icon. But but other apps can't do either. [TS]

  So like you were talking about widgets and I haven't even allowed you to change your icon are you. [TS]

  Your default image the launch image [TS]

  and you know Apple Apple's allowed to change it because they're allowed to have a functional calendar application [TS]

  but no one else's life tiles you can even to be a very an icon so I guess that their nation makes them more moves in [TS]

  that direction. [TS]

  They don't have to go whole hog like hey you could have a view that you control to get updated every And minutes that's [TS]

  on the home screen size of five icons put together like the live tile thing I think that's that's too far [TS]

  but they're way back in the prehistoric era with the limitations and lust of like oh we don't want your burning C.P.U. [TS]

  In some way but that you know they've come so far in terms of background refresh and everything [TS]

  and with you know the hardware that we have now the restrictions on you know you can change your calendar icon to be [TS]

  today's date that would take too much battery that since you know that stuff should be opened up a little longer for a [TS]

  while their calendar icon didn't update it wasn't so like oh it's three [TS]

  or four like it was just it would always be showing the wrong date. [TS]

  Well it'll be shown around it most days of the month. [TS]

  Yeah yeah I you know and one thing I wonder do you think they would ever and I think my answer is no. [TS]

  But do you think they would ever give the ability to set default apps to third party apps for things like your default [TS]

  mail app your default web browser which seems highly unlikely doesn't it. [TS]

  I mean to have it or know is ten but you know that's that's different. [TS]

  So do you think I mean that would go a long way with the U.R.L. [TS]

  or With the data sharing system with the contract intense thing that would go a long way towards not only enabling a [TS]

  bunch of third party apps to be better [TS]

  but enabling what a lot of users want anyway like it's it's not just like oh Google wants to invade with chrome [TS]

  and maps it's like a whole bunch of people are choosing to use Chrome and Google Maps anyway [TS]

  and it just sucks that they don't have full system integration. [TS]

  You know if you tap a mail Lincoln something it doesn't just open her [TS]

  or the mail is the worst one I can imagine so Apple be like well we have to keep you on safari because the web is such. [TS]

  An important thing and only we get to use the good jobs good pension [TS]

  and blah blah we don't want people changing this mailman like there are so many good interesting mail applications [TS]

  and I bet mail is the application that most people are likely to use third party one. [TS]

  Somebody please chrome probably not a lot but I think the G. Mail app is probably very popular. [TS]

  Yeah but your rival Chrome was very popular but I think it's kind of fading now but you know it is very very popular. [TS]

  No question and then you have to like I'm setting up is I was the eyes [TS]

  and I kid you have to set up an e-mail account in the mail app because every application that sends e-mail is going to [TS]

  throw you into a stupor mail Ivan if you don't have an account configured you can't use that feature of those [TS]

  applications you need some sort of little Sentinel mail application to configure an Apple Mail just a supporting [TS]

  mailing from all the other applications that you're going to use. Yeah. [TS]

  What about services and we can see any improvement there like web services. Well like i Cloud for example. [TS]

  Oh well no I mean there is keep making things better [TS]

  but you know i Cloud core storage in the key values are I'm sure there'll be improvements there and blah blah blah [TS]

  but I don't any new i Cloud or even just it actually working. [TS]

  Well I mean they've been making steady progress in that area [TS]

  but it's like Fundamentally it's like an architecture type thing where you're not expecting an A.P.I. [TS]

  That you just want to work within the bounds of the original design. [TS]

  But if the original design precludes it ever being adding a certain level of performance [TS]

  or ever having a certain level reliability you're just like well just do as well as you can with them [TS]

  and that's why I mention new A.P.I. Like a new F.B.I. [TS]

  That does a new thing architect differently like you talk about the push A.B.I. [TS]

  Thing you can imagine the back end for the you know the push notification system is substantially different then the [TS]

  back end for the core data and those choices those different choices they made. Influence. All the A.P.I. [TS]

  Was designed and how it performs and how well it does what it's being asked to do [TS]

  and so I think a new i Pod A.P.'s have the opportunity to make something much much better. [TS]

  Where is the alternative thing is just just take existing guys with existing design parameters and make them better [TS]

  and move the bugs in the future and they did a lot of that with core data. [TS]

  I caught stuff in Mavericks and I'm sure they're continuing that [TS]

  but that's not the type of thing is going to wow someone in a session you know. [TS]

  So I feel like we're being even more non-committal in hand wavy than usual. [TS]

  Like last year we knew that it was going to be a visual refresh and we're pretty confident about that. [TS]

  And that's about all we knew but it's a lot more and I feel like we know now we know about health book. [TS]

  What else do we really know with any sort of certainty. [TS]

  Anything the scheduling is really throwing things off because we have we have these teas from starting from late last [TS]

  year of a new category [TS]

  but it's too vague so we don't know what it is who it is at the pick from like they you know vague wearable vague you [TS]

  know unknown whatever that tells us nothing [TS]

  and you know the game used to be like oh mac hardware Vision's Well the sea views are delayed so it's like everything's [TS]

  up in the air you know we feel like if you had to predict what was Apple's going to do this this year I think we would [TS]

  have we would be more confident. It's like what will they have ready in time for June. Yeah that's a really tough call. [TS]

  You're right I mean it's there's no guarantee that they're going to have anything mindblowing ready for June. [TS]

  It could just be like here's a visual refresh for Macko S ten here is you know a less significant improvement [TS]

  and I was eight and go for it here you go here's an exception How do you the new stuff and I was ten or macro S. [TS]

  Ten point M. [TS]

  Player I was a template template template [TS]

  and there's nothing stopping them from that just being it like there might be no hardware announcements no new category [TS]

  announcements nothing exciting at all except the new software which you know in a developer conference that is. [TS]

  That is you know technically adequate. It also is is not unprecedented they've done that before. [TS]

  And then you'd be reading the tea leaves to see like they're real. [TS]

  They're really emphasizing be able to draw your appetite for insiders [TS]

  and then you can write on it with a bigger i Phone six is that for side by side on the i Pad air like you can read [TS]

  those tea leaves and then there's the hidden stuff like you know [TS]

  and you don't find out about until you know the september i Phone announcement. [TS]

  Then they were kind and I was so and all along [TS]

  but you know like they could do that I think I think that would be sufficient for a conference. [TS]

  They were revising our O.S.'s and here's a bunch of hints for new A.P.I. [TS]

  Is but it would be quite a letdown after the past couple of fun years leaving the stuff like the macro [TS]

  or area like that I think that was an exciting announcement. [TS]

  Even if you didn't have much impact on people's lives in general it adds only adds to the Keynote experience I mean as [TS]

  a user of all the stuff [TS]

  and as a developer using all this stuff I would actually be really happy with just software improvements because Apple [TS]

  has a lot of potential software improvements especially for tackling a major refresh [TS]

  and I were in in ten point ten point ten they there's there's room for this like there. They could do a lot here. [TS]

  I would love if they weren't distracted on all sorts of new projects [TS]

  and could focus their engineering resources on the things that that need it. [TS]

  I just don't believe that's the case I believe they are working on big stuff it is pulling resources away from [TS]

  everything else and it is going to be new but it might not be ready yet or maybe will all be proven wrong. [TS]

  Honestly it's kind of fun not knowing so much ahead of time because [TS]

  when there is a whole bunch of leaks it kind of ruins the fun [TS]

  and the anticipation of the keynote as will stand right next week well except come out [TS]

  and look into the show here recording it almost a week before we're going to publish it. [TS]

  So yeah you're right because all year I like there's all the good leaks that come out next week [TS]

  and we'll find out what are you most looking forward to the very end. [TS]

  On the other one of his kind of the same question rephrased the different angles. [TS]

  If you had to choose one realistic thing that you want to your wish list thing that you want to see [TS]

  and I was like you know one to be predicting that it's going to happen [TS]

  but it has to be you know within the realm of possibility. What would that be. [TS]

  Definitely interrupt communication and I think it's possible I don't know how [TS]

  but I think it could be I think it could be done as they realize that if they say something about that in the keynote [TS]

  you'll be the most excited about that. [TS]

  I don't know if I'll be Mike Hurley Marco's XO XO talking excited [TS]

  but also healthy really excited I don't know if Marco This is so you're asking what what I think is the most likely [TS]

  or what I would want the most know is like your most wished for thing but has to be realistic. [TS]

  OK to be announced at the keynote. [TS]

  It doesn't have to be that you're predicting it but like man that's possible for Apple does [TS]

  and I would be really excited. [TS]

  Yeah I think going to have to go with Eric in the chat room with a thunderbolt retina display [TS]

  but if the if if that's not realistic [TS]

  but I think it is I think they could very much do fork over the display that is definitely realistic. [TS]

  I mean otherwise I would say Katie saying that our communication and if I can't do that can start to take [TS]

  and then I would say new U.I. [TS]

  Kit like framework for O S ten realistic of their own where we're saying is like feasible. [TS]

  Like Apple would never announce a monitor that doesn't seem like the monitor [TS]

  or whatever rate enough to get I think it's a thing they could make it didn't feel like a macro whatever rate enough to [TS]

  get enough that I'll share with macros interesting and new. [TS]

  But anyway I like that Apple could make that right now if they wanted why are they not doing because they hate us [TS]

  but you know as realistic my thing I think it's actually going to surprise me is the reason for this question is random [TS]

  act Beaucaire a new form factor for air with a non crappy screen that you know that's also a better viewing. [TS]

  Goals retina [TS]

  and more interesting maybe is not paper does much maybe it's just like a like a super thin thirteen inch you know thing [TS]

  that's I guess that I think they could show it. I think they probably have it all designed up and ready. [TS]

  They just can't ship because the most people use for it [TS]

  but I wait six months for a computer I'm not going to buy anyway. Done that before. [TS]

  Yeah I like seeing new laptops introduced I was excited when the Retina MacBook Pros were introduced [TS]

  and I'll be excited again to see what the next of Lucian of the era so I'm really hoping that they show that even [TS]

  though it's not ready. [TS]

  I wonder do you think do you think the need for twelve inch MacBook Air is that strong because the thirteen inch Retina [TS]

  MacBook Pro is so good it's such a great all around it for so many people it is it is not that expensive it has the [TS]

  nice retina screen it is very small it is almost air sized but it's big enough still to have a nice size battery [TS]

  and a nice C.P.U. [TS]

  In there like do you think the thirteen inch retina Mefford pro reduces a lot of the need for the MacBook Air. [TS]

  Now because I think I think they'll have to separate from each other a little bit [TS]

  but basically what I'm looking for is the air the air internals so forget about discrete G.P.U. [TS]

  Ever I don't think thirteen of them screwed anyway but like. [TS]

  But it's possible they could in that size form factor [TS]

  and I guess that maybe will be tapered as much as the album because we got a bit more battered for the rotten display [TS]

  but it should still be if you put one in one hand one of the other be clear this is not a thirteen inch Pro This is the [TS]

  twelve and chair [TS]

  and it may end up pushing the thirteen inch mark maybe a thirteen suddenly start sprouting more powerful G.P.U. [TS]

  Not a discrete one where is the the air is always going to have whatever the Super Bowl tried everything on one chip [TS]

  C.P.U. [TS]

  That it offers [TS]

  and the thirteen inch pro is going to have the OK well this isn't the super low power one it's a little bit more [TS]

  powerful so I think there's room in the lineup for it and I'm excited to see. [TS]

  Kind of board of the form factor of the pros now that they've sort of evolved to think of the final form here [TS]

  and that if you're getting thinner [TS]

  but the errors I still think there's room for something that looks a little different than the current wedge type [TS]

  things and I'm so sick of the screens on the current airs I really want to make it my just green on their side. [TS]

  Device someone in the chairman's [TS]

  but i Pad Pro decades were just revised like I don't even think that's within the realm of feasibility I don't think [TS]

  there was not in June yet this fall the probably announced new i Pads But [TS]

  and I don't think it's the type of thing you know because the errors are coming that you know there's going to be no [TS]

  progress because I'm Broadwell and it could conceivably happen this calendar year. [TS]

  I Pad Pro I don't think it's outside the realm of possibilities because i Pad Air is not that old yet but [TS]

  when I was with I was side by side to get the guitar there [TS]

  but I would be more excited actually for to see what the new Redden era looks like hoping that it's a different shape [TS]

  than just another increasingly thin slate type thing I don't know I don't know if it counts as realistic [TS]

  or not the thing I'm most looking forward to is is there going to be a new product category and if so what. [TS]

  What the crap is it and I would love I would love for it to be something that's surprising [TS]

  and mostly I don't know if I can even conjecture what it would be that's not my most look forward to think is that I [TS]

  can't pin it down to just that and Morpheus cloud of whatever [TS]

  and I'm honestly I'm not interested probably in anything wearable and T.V. Thing. [TS]

  I have so little faith that anything will do will be interesting to me and a revised Apple T.V. [TS]

  I'm not sure maybe I would get a good box who cares whatever [TS]

  but like it it's too I don't know what it is yet I can't I can't say that I'm most looking forward to it because I [TS]

  don't just want to know like how does one Apple to do something different now [TS]

  and see what it is if it's something awesome I love it but if it's something I'm not interested [TS]

  and yet created a new thing that I'm never going to get it so whatever random question are they going to transition the [TS]

  MacBook Pros to be. Black aluminum in the style of the macro. [TS]

  Yeah I would love because tell you what the macro is a nice looking machine. [TS]

  It is basically the color is basically a glossy version of the i Phone five the sleek color [TS]

  and the i Phone five a sleek color is really nice too [TS]

  and they could definitely use that as a glossy would not work on a mac because it would look terrible O. [TS]

  To have only did it before [TS]

  but glossy metal I think would show a lot more fingerprints than the old plastic mat posted so I don't see that I would [TS]

  love it if the if nothing about display matched the new MacPro in color and finish might be a little reflective [TS]

  but if it's on the bezel and or the Buzzell as John would say than Then who offer it in black [TS]

  but it's a hundred billion dollars extra member and they did that. [TS]

  That was around the time I bought my first MAC I don't I just I feel like you could be a really neat differentiator to [TS]

  keep aluminum for the quote unquote consumer grade stuff [TS]

  and make everything black for the professional grade stuff so black thunderbolt display a black mac pro black MacBook [TS]

  Pros perhaps even a black what you call the magic now so there's no magic mouse the magic touch pad trackpad thing [TS]

  which then begs the question would you have a Black Magic Mouse and they would do the sunset the Magic Mouse brand [TS]

  and make me very sad. I would love them to kill that stupid mouse and make a make a decent mouse. [TS]

  Seems unlikely but I like it. [TS]

  Now I get to I mean I'm out a mouse is you know something like that something you hold is going to have this broad [TS]

  specter of do you like to hire a mouse or a little mouse a wild mouse or skinny mouse amounts of contoured [TS]

  or a mouse that you know and so is not going to say this is a bad mouse and I don't like a mouth is that low. [TS]

  I don't like a mouse is that heavy unlike a mouse's that low and so if that's the only a mouse that Apple makes. [TS]

  Apple doesn't make a mouse for me. And historically not all of Apple mice have been. [TS]

  That heavy and that low this is a new kind of design direction. [TS]

  I'm ready to see what the next one direction is for mice but I don't think they care enough to change it [TS]

  and saw this continued viewing of their party mouse since since the one that was a semicircle on the bottom they came [TS]

  with like that power Max if the one hundred at the last stop mouth using the CIA use a Magic Mouse because I am a [TS]

  really heavy user of what is it screens that they used to call it the other virtual desktops [TS]

  and they use a third party mouse that doesn't have Multi Touch to swipe between my virtual desktops is terrible error [TS]

  at least in any mouse I've ever tried to bring the violin music back. [TS]

  Yeah you do need to bring violent music had it's true though Apple's Apple of the touch service [TS]

  and the Magic Mouse is so much better than the touch service another touch surface type mice that use that means that [TS]

  you're of like Apple's trackpads can bit everyone else's trackpads like everyone else that uses whatever the cheapest [TS]

  sensor they can put in the device. [TS]

  And Apple does now so I would love to see more bold this Magic Mouse I don't think it will happen [TS]

  but I can't I don't care for the trackpad very much I can use it but I don't care for it. [TS]

  I grew up on the track point on I.B.M. [TS]

  Think Pad so I still miss having one of those and [TS]

  when I'm at my desk for more than a few minutes I tend to like to use a proper mouse [TS]

  and because of my obsession with virtual desktops it has to be a Magic Mouse. [TS]

  You know the magic mass is a beautiful piece of sculpture I love how it looks I just don't like holding it in me [TS]

  and I just love the inertial scrolling with it because I used to before this I use the larger tech [TS]

  and next revolution that had had an awesome like heavy weighted fly wheel scroll thing that if you flipped it hard [TS]

  enough and you had their software installed it would unlock and spin freely for a while until you like slow down [TS]

  or stop what you're going to want to become Not you again it was a fantastic mouse that was played the terrible [TS]

  software and terrible support by like alternative mouse drivers on a list and then they start making it and. [TS]

  It was like it was awesome when it worked and it just worked so rarely. [TS]

  Now you can buy a new one and so the Magic Mouse with its tux [TS]

  or initial scrolling kind of replace that for me because like once you get used to the inertia scrolling having the old [TS]

  like notchy type scroll wheel where you're scrolling by like a non accelerating rate is barbaric like an animal. [TS]

  And on that bombshell Thanks a lot two or three sponsors this week when the dot com dash and nature box. [TS]

  And we will see you next week. Now this show is over and it was accidental accidental. John thanks again. [TS]

  And you are now sitting on the coffee. [TS]

  If I had said to that list [TS]

  and they were really scraping the bottom of the barrel for talking about mouth revisions of the mouse [TS]

  or prediction what possible hardware example has that need to be revised. [TS]

  Well as a tractor it's pretty old now it's not in a while. Absolutely I'm going to make monitors anymore. [TS]

  I would like to see if they do and of doing some kind of. [TS]

  Cosmetic update with a lot of the stuff like the aluminum keyboard [TS]

  and stuff like that like they use that they're brushed aluminum look for so long that it might help to just do a [TS]

  refresh and that sort of thing we're going to do something like the space gray color [TS]

  or the macro's glossy space gray looking color just you know just like a cosmetic refresh [TS]

  but not that much different of the hood. [TS]

  For all their little peripherals [TS]

  and stuff that all just have Russian women I'm now saying I like the MacBook Pros like in their final form because like [TS]

  the one they went to lumen and they slowly revise revise your boss removed doors sealed everything inside [TS]

  and everything to the board [TS]

  and now it's like OK this is the this is the logical conclusion of making a macro pro out of a solid brick aluminum [TS]

  hauling out and shoving the insides in and out like. All right can you change the color change texture change shape. [TS]

  Because they're not going to go away for sure. [TS]

  Well that's why I think if they were to hypothetically make a black prolonging that would be the perfect moment like [TS]

  Martha was saying to to do this light visual refresh so it's more than just painting black on top of aluminum to on [TS]

  retina Thunderball. Come on you can do it really seems like about Sapphire. [TS]

  We've always rumors about where sapphire going to go I think it's pretty clear that they're going to keep using it for [TS]

  Touch ID of course and they need a lot of it to do that because Touch ID is in every i Phone five S. [TS]

  and They're you know you would expect that this fall on his new i Phones [TS]

  and i Pads It's now going to be in the new i Phone and the last year's model. [TS]

  If they keep the five us around to the going to be even more for i Phone a man hopefully they would add to I've had [TS]

  this really weird once you get used to it on the phone to not have any i Pad So you're looking at a lot of sapphire [TS]

  demands right there versus some of the rumors say like if you're going to use it for the whole i Phone screen that's a [TS]

  lot more like that it sucks. [TS]

  A massive quantity more I don't think they could make enough of it even in their new plant in Arizona [TS]

  or wherever like that that would require so much more sapphire than just what they have now. [TS]

  I just think the volume is is impractical. I would like an i Phone seven right. [TS]

  So maybe you know if they have if they are doing something that has like a watch face you could see plausibly OK maybe [TS]

  that you know maybe that's where we'll be going you know something where you have some kind of wearable with you know a [TS]

  medium small or medium size screen you need to be very very easily and it could go there. [TS]

  But this could if you one of those things were you know there's not much of a story here it's for i Phone Home buttons [TS]

  to just make more of them. [TS]

  I'm getting more more excited the more I realize that we don't know crap about what's going on. [TS]

  Yeah it definitely is more exciting this way like [TS]

  when you know there's been so many recent keynote in the last few years where almost everything has been ruined ahead [TS]

  of time and it just isn't fun like you know we still go and we still pretend to be excited but it's so much better [TS]

  when we're actually genuinely surprised and so excited for me because I was have the terror of [TS]

  when they're going to have the release date for Austin. Sure you've won the lottery for the most part so far. [TS]

  Yeah they could say and it's shipping in three weeks and I'm screwed. [TS]

  Do we want to do titles are there any Let's check this crazy show Bob we have a crazy had together show about twenty [TS]

  minutes before the show started. [TS]

  By the way I apologise in advance for how crappy This is where you saving the data in my S.Q.L. Would be overkill. [TS]

  What would you do if you had twenty minutes to rewrite as well. Where would you store it. [TS]

  Memory of the early years of the and I was a story as an appeal ist. [TS]

  Now this is actually it was a fun exercise because I've very rarely coded like mad under time pressure [TS]

  and certainly haven't done it recently so it was kind of fun. It was like a fun hackathon for twenty minutes with my. [TS]

  Self sounds terrible but it was fun it was and you know obviously there's tons of ideas used to make it better. [TS]

  It probably won't be worth that. [TS]

  But now I have something where like if I end up open sourcing this framework that I don't want to open source forever [TS]

  this could be like that. [TS]

  The test app that open source within the here's an example of how to use it as if it's not sorted by vote at the click [TS]

  the serpent doesn't know Ajax voting because it's much worse than the sorting problems [TS]

  but around the time forms of missions the old ways are best. [TS]

  Only you can bitch and moan about something I was with together in twenty minutes at the out of the blue and not [TS]

  and not sound like a world class jerk doing it but I think it sounds like it should take less time [TS]

  and be less effort like form submission is the hard way to do it. [TS]

  You have you are going to tire form with the little field and a button [TS]

  and it like you know how far do you think it is to make a form it just seems more heavy weight [TS]

  and then you had the whole page to reload [TS]

  and use your places like you're sacrificing functionality for it like I get if you don't know the A.P.I. [TS]

  Is already pretty if you have Jake reloaded and just attach handlers and do the submission it's like super easy. [TS]

  The final form that's interesting and like that I have now lost my place who have voted for it. [TS]

  Wearing electronics is just not cool. It's true. [TS]

  No it's like these these modern smart watches they're like they're like calculator watches in the eighty's they're [TS]

  worse. [TS]

  The calculator watches were sleek [TS]

  and elegant comparisons like I don't know I don't think so I know they were are yes going to remember that. [TS]

  They're pretty yeah they were way thinner than a pebble. [TS]

  Way smaller than a pair of pedals way nicer Templeman eyes and a calculator watch. [TS]

  It is it's not by a lot but it is how the pebble looks like you're wearing like a lunch box on your wrist and ugly [TS]

  and ugly lunchbox with like grommets and light. Terrible. [TS]

  I don't I don't think that bad but it's not great obviously but yeah I just might. [TS]

  My grandfather had a metal calculator watch like I was like a grown up you know as a Casio I think [TS]

  but it was like the fancy you know gentlemen's one where instead of just being plastic with a bunch of little plastic [TS]

  knobs it's all metal and smooth the flush keys it's awesome. Now what else going on. [TS]

  Oh I didn't do my homework but I did play flappy golf does that count as a game. Now Cher was laughing it off though. [TS]

  It isn't that good of a game I mean it's literally just like super segment off too with the flappy bird thing as the [TS]

  mechanic instead of balls but I know but the but the clever you know remake slash commentary on flappy bird. [TS]

  It is a good way to reuse resources they already have [TS]

  and I think if you had never seen super stick man golf the reason it works it works in a world where flappy bird exists [TS]

  I think it was clever. I just don't enjoy playing it out. [TS]

  Yeah I kind of wish they had that like made original courses for it to some of the some of the ones that come with it [TS]

  just don't make sense and it's kind of obvious but otherwise yeah it was it's a fun diversion. [TS]

  It's a little too easy and and there's you know zero replay value. But it's funny. [TS]

  So anyway to put it and I was really annoyed by the games in our pop ups and you were totally right. [TS]

  Games and ruins everything [TS]

  and I eventually get a lot I've actually loved in the game center just because just to make it stop bothering me to [TS]

  logon to games or and things like used to be that a green felt thing would come down and spoiler application [TS]

  and now a bubble of white thing comes down this boy like it [TS]

  when you have to sit there watching it animated in like you to sit there for like seven [TS]

  or eight seconds watching this thing show itself to you [TS]

  and it will never match anything that goes on top of because no one is ever going to make it an app to look like either [TS]

  of the old games and or the new games that are so it's like and worried all about the visual stuff. [TS]

  Let me take a window from another application that doesn't match yours and shove it on top of your U.I. [TS]

  Like it's never going to work ever. So we love it. Do you think games. I'm guessing zero. [TS]

  I'm guessing like literally no changes at all to games that are I would love to be in the meeting where they decided [TS]

  are we getting rid of the felt. What's a game to you and why no public polls because I mean it's not over. [TS]

  Maybe they were smoking something I don't understand [TS]

  and this is why this is why I'm like I'm just so you know that as of last week with you know getting some new blood in [TS]

  the executive team I don't I don't know I don't I mean I think it's examining the little play games [TS]

  but I don't know if it's they could be young people to like but I think everyone who works in a game set [TS]

  or should be forced to get X. [TS]

  Box Live account the you know playstation you know the esteem [TS]

  and just like now those are great examples of interface [TS]

  but you see whatever else is doing in the realm of things to keep track of like your friends the more games you play [TS]

  and like this is not new territory. [TS]

  Tons of other companies do this and they all do it in a way that is more successful visually [TS]

  and technologically frankly than what Apple does. So I get the feeling of the people doing Game Center. [TS]

  If there have never used those things or they use them but their bosses say make it like this [TS]

  and they just do it the process I'm talking about the bosses being being you know the potential problem here like like [TS]

  you know the settings icon in Iowa seven where have all these you know these inner lined gears are these concentric [TS]

  gears like do you think this is like how a bunch of fifty year old men view gears like Oh well how about on a bike [TS]

  that's where it seemed years before that's what setting should mean [TS]

  and it just it seems like I don't know it just seems so out of touch. [TS]

  Those aren't bike years they're watchers have to go even better. Old men with watches. [TS]

  How about a high end watch which like how many twenty five year olds have ever even seen a high end watch [TS]

  and has the exposed ears visible through the transparent glass like you know how how many people have ever seen that [TS]

  or you know of this generation at all I mean it's you know I'm kind of excited to see it. [TS]

  Oh us ten like new look introduction video was the best part of the I was some announcement with a little video they [TS]

  put together the first time we were seeing i OS seven [TS]

  and it was crazy looking ahead all those animation you know you know the video. [TS]

  Oh yeah and that was actually that was a major moment in last year's keynote because it was so shocking [TS]

  and you know I was down on them before for leaning too much on videos in the recent keynote where like you know I don't [TS]

  think it's a very good keynote if we have to sit there [TS]

  and watch like twenty minutes of canned video clips that were there basically commercials like you know I know the hawk [TS]

  you know to the commercial in this in a way [TS]

  but like at least you know give us the dignity of the human presentation as much as you can [TS]

  and just use video sparingly and I thought last year they went over the line use too much video. [TS]

  That being said that was a really good video and that was a good use of it and [TS]

  and the difference is that in the olden days back [TS]

  when jobs are to MacWorld keynotes everything the first time you saw the U.I. [TS]

  Was either on a slide like they would show you elements of it on a slide or like some sort of theme image [TS]

  and then they would go to a computer screen where he would be using a new T.V. [TS]

  Screen right where this was a produced sort of like what you're seeing is super high resin midges of their sort of [TS]

  design document animating together showing you know [TS]

  and that's I think that is a much more interesting way to be introduced to you I've been seeing screenshots [TS]

  or seeing close ups of seeing things and so I hope overstand rates getting a similar video. [TS]

  Yeah when and [TS]

  when is that dramatic of a redesign I agree if it's like you know here's a new version of I work like that's I don't [TS]

  think that matters much. [TS]

  But [TS]

  but yeah I agree with with the major redesign It's about a new new design language for everything is how very wide [TS]

  or really really thin you know more overlapping windows. Yeah well that's that's so last decade Zack last for decades. [TS]

  Johnny have a go on screen explaining overlapping windows are so passe. [TS]

  Well they weren't true to the to the object's self you know you don't really have overlapping monitors that they're not [TS]

  true to. The material that you're using it's there unapologetically tiled. [TS]

  If they did that and then you would come in from the side and push Johnny office still no seriously [TS]

  or it'd still functioning O. Us on our end of note about five or ten minutes ago I started looking into a node I or C. [TS]

  Package and I now have a show but that's at least listening for suggestions that he's doing zero with them [TS]

  but it's listening for them. [TS]

  The Ba'ath easy buy one get a library you may have joined a challenge you may go watch everything [TS]

  and something that is isolation but asking a bunch of stuff. You build the U.R.L. and You hit it. Problem solved. [TS]

  Maybe I'll settle with this [TS]

  and see if I can get it was my first pan module of the bought a library for making about he's going to make the [TS]

  but the bot factory factory the same day. [TS]

  Oh it was it was very Do you guys remember you know remember who you were and Max [TS]

  but there was an application of Hotline Do you remember that. Maybe now anyway it was it just like R.C. [TS]

  but It's like it was it was an application. [TS]

  A client server application written by like a sixteen year old as a writer you know going to be awesome [TS]

  and it was for the Mac only and it was used basically to trade illegal software. [TS]

  You know like people would set up servers in their house and you could join it as user and you get an account [TS]

  and they had files and it was all it was basically like I had design your own local area [TS]

  but anyway it was a the protocols all binary get all the person is doing I think was a shoving like native C. [TS]

  Structures. [TS]

  Al Hunt of the wire I don't think he was doing like it [TS]

  and you know a lot of things that change Internet work by donor [TS]

  and all that stuff it was just like native spewing out C. Struck on to the wire. [TS]

  I was not documented so I had to reverse engineer it by washing washing Hexham So the network traffic can figure out [TS]

  the packet format and once I had done that then I could write a library that knew how to read and write those packets. [TS]

  And once I'd written a library then you can write about and so I did and I was cool. [TS]

  Your bot factory was cool someone else but now I'm in the box I mean I made the framework to make the bot [TS]

  and then I read about what the framers had icons and stuff like that [TS]

  but would change its icon based on what people said and you could send [TS]

  and receive files of people you could have private conversations with the BOD log things it was doing all the things [TS]

  that are supposed to do but not in Ira C. and With a few extra capabilities don't exist in our city. [TS]

  But how I was terrible. That code is terrible. [TS]

  The model is terrible but there for a second module is a case in that view that you downloaded a node module is up [TS]

  and running and you keep need to keep lab and I might actually have it posted something here in a few moments. [TS]

  Why don't we just have Casey write the whole thing and note that's what I should do [TS]

  and I mean it's not if I could do this in twenty minutes in P.H.P. [TS]

  You can probably can you do it only thirty seconds you just type in like you know it's a one line note plus a hundred [TS]

  fifty thousand line to dependencies. Pretty much yes just do that why why would I write as if you can do that. [TS]

  There's one thing I really don't want to have to try to figure out I.R.C. Stuff with P.H.P. [TS]

  That I know I have to use some kind of third party code it would probably be awful [TS]

  and I'd rather not do that so I just figured out the project that you do homework rather than play again this week. [TS]

  Do this you can probably write this whole thing in less time it takes to be mine about what I already did my homework [TS]

  though you know I know. I'm giving you my homework to do. [TS]

  Yet you can't assign homework when you know and even done your own homework I was busy playing flappy golf [TS]

  and could not play Monument Valley. My immorality the billions I feel like water but the thing. [TS]