The Accidental Tech Podcast

48: Marco Bought Four


  we have some follow-up [TS]

  guess not I'm waiting for John to jump in there against your done moving on the [TS]

  OK from its ok to take a drink of water before the show starts at that I had [TS]

  time you just jump right now I'm a professional John johnny on the spot I [TS]

  guess we got an email from someone who works at Apple star who prefers to [TS]

  remain anonymous as those people tend to do on the subject of Apple's messages [TS]

  program and the iMessage service and the subtle partial email people stop by the [TS]

  Apple Store with problems are obviously not representative of iPhone users in [TS]

  general but I message is probably the top problem among the folks who do stop [TS]

  by problems with iMessage are probably the top frustration with Apple's [TS]

  products and services among the specials in our store we had a number of people [TS]

  writing in saying it's it's always been fine for me you know but I i think [TS]

  there's been enough reports of it being not fine for many people and that's [TS]

  something like that that's a really good data point because obviously they only [TS]

  see the people with problems but they see everybody's problems like any you [TS]

  know there are in the best position to decide what is the most common problem [TS]

  amongst all users Apple products period is not like just iPhone users or [TS]

  whatever it is I cross all of Apple's products and services as in contrast to [TS]

  the common podcast blog fodder other iCloud problems over those stemming for [TS]

  obvious grocers are relatively rare so he saying that no problems are directed [TS]

  revealed I like allowed or not as big a deal as they're made out but I message [TS]

  is the number one [TS]

  frustration from people who come in to see them just as a user of iCloud I use [TS]

  it can gently I I use basically cut Calendar and Contacts Inc and not a lot [TS]

  of other features it offers you know that the document in the cloud it really [TS]

  use some of that and by using it lightly like that I rarely see any problems and [TS]

  so that's probably how most people use it you know where you are you must hear [TS]

  complaints about iCloud being weird and buggy and potentially awful [TS]

  developers who are trying to develop against the sink API's which as we [TS]

  discussed before have a lot of issues and possibly some some pretty fatal [TS]

  designs and and you know so that you know the developer point of view of [TS]

  iCloud is very different from what the public yeah I wonder like it for people [TS]

  who do [TS]

  we're not fooling around the stuff if they have undemanding use them like me [TS]

  three contacts in the modified not much there maybe didn't notice a big deal but [TS]

  if you have if you have tons of stuff and wanted to work just so I wanna play [TS]

  with the little icon seeking switches and everything and then something [TS]

  doesn't work and it gets hosing goes off into the weeds I don't know those people [TS]

  ever bother going to an Apple store and try to figure it out themselves and [TS]

  having a lot of cases when icon doesn't work people just doesn't just don't [TS]

  notice or like you said they blame the application and they don't blame you [TS]

  know the phone or whatever but the number of people who go into the Apple [TS]

  Store software problems [TS]

  bagus is a different class of people because I would never go into the Apple [TS]

  Store the software problem I think it's as long as I can actually determine it [TS]

  was a problem because what did they get it do for me that is gonna post same [TS]

  buttons I can't focus people who don't know Texas nothing you know or if you [TS]

  wanna say maybe it is a hardware problem I'll take him to the back room hooked up [TS]

  to a machine that had to run some diagnostic but it was interesting to [TS]

  point something else also how many you what percentage of iPhone users do you [TS]

  think [TS]

  don't have any other Apple products and therefore don't really see like the [TS]

  syncing issues necessarily connected with the history of all I would think on [TS]

  the Apple those numbers like how many iPhone users also have a Mac but I would [TS]

  love to know that you know it's getting smaller and smaller as PCs are doing [TS]

  less and less well in the marketplace max are doing better and better I'm sure [TS]

  that that's getting to be smaller and smaller but using anecdotal piece of [TS]

  evidence the first Apple device that I believe my dad guard was either an iPad [TS]

  or an iPhone I want to say was an iPhone and now fast forward two or three years [TS]

  later and pretty much my entire immediate family as an errand and I as [TS]

  well as immediate family is in my parents brothers they're almost [TS]

  exclusively Mac now look at the sales numbers though how many iPhones apple [TS]

  sold in the past three years versus how many accidents although no sales are not [TS]

  the same as the stalled base but the number of iPhones just massively towards [TS]

  the number [TS]

  max in existence but this plane and they are like you know like the all the old [TS]

  max that are sitting around how how how long do you keep counting like some [TS]

  ancient Mac PowerPC still hanging around or whatever but there's just so many [TS]

  more iPhone and iOS devices then max that you have to say most people who [TS]

  have iOS devices do not have max me I would say if I had to take a guess at [TS]

  what percentage of iPhone owners that was their only Apple device I would say [TS]

  it's probably like 50% or maybe even more I think it's I think it's like if [TS]

  you want to know the percentage if you look at all the people who buy phones [TS]

  and say what percentage of those have a Mac its I bet it's very similar to the [TS]

  percentage of gender general population has a Mac at this point because the [TS]

  iPhone is is is a mass-market general-purpose product I don't think [TS]

  people see any real connection to the Mac latest like it would never occur to [TS]

  them that if you've got an iPhone that there was any connection to the max you [TS]

  had to have a Mac that you should have a Mac anything but a true this year to get [TS]

  out of having a Mac really I guess maybe a desktop version of the Notes [TS]

  application so what did you know gaming PC and iPod shuffle sing better so much [TS]

  and most people don't even think their phones to their computers which is why [TS]

  Apple had to push for so long to get all this stuff over iCloud backups and [TS]

  Cingular Wireless and iTunes Match all the other stuff like you know it wasn't [TS]

  that long ago you know it's easy for you to forget but it was only iOS 5 that [TS]

  brought most of that stuff that made you stop having to sync with iTunes to get a [TS]

  lot of these features that was not that long ago to remember the the jailbreak [TS]

  app that would allow you to do wifi saying and it was like such a big deal [TS]

  this was roundabouts the violence 450 such a big deal because he could sink [TS]

  over wi-fi and people like oh my god you have to do this immediately they were [TS]

  like expecting a point release of iTunes the next day 22 to enable wifi sync not [TS]

  recall exactly when it actually showed up in their members that being such a [TS]

  big deal and that was the brief window of time around he was around the brief [TS]

  window of time when I actually had a jailbroken iPhone and so I thought about [TS]

  I think at this point three jailbreaking just for that it was so silly but yeah [TS]

  there really wasn't that long ago you're exactly right [TS]

  and they implemented a wi-fi sync and actually I'm curious what do you guys do [TS]

  for forcing tobacco I was connected to cable yet typically I do as well I think [TS]

  I wi-fi sync enabled but I believe unpacking well I'm backing up my iphone [TS]

  to my computer and I'm on my iPad to iCloud but I actually have a gripe about [TS]

  this which is branching away from follow-up it since I'm talking I'm [TS]

  seeing a continued I think that because of SMS logs which I'm a packrat and I [TS]

  don't delete barely any my sms logs and I probably should go and call all of [TS]

  them but I'm I think it's because I have four years of SMS logs or something like [TS]

  that [TS]

  my iCloud account which I do I just have the free one which is happily five gigs [TS]

  it is called the moment I start backing my iPhone up to it and I've looked at [TS]

  the usage in settings and i'm looking a while so I'm a little fuzzy on the [TS]

  details but there was nothing jumped out and said oh I'm you there's no app or [TS]

  anything that said oh I'm using 34 gigs or anything like that and the only thing [TS]

  I can guess cause I believe I turned off the the app backup sty cloud for just [TS]

  about everything and it still was whining about not having enough space in [TS]

  the only thing I can think of is I've got a gazillion SMS is in perhaps more [TS]

  importantly mmm messes that that have been around since 2008 when I got my 3ds [TS]

  that that I think are trying to go to iCloud and failing miserably and that's [TS]

  that's kind of a bummer and as everyone in the chat his saying yes I am The King [TS]

  of sending animated gifs to people which is certainly not helping so that's [TS]

  probably a self-created issue when you first heard saying it was SMS I was [TS]

  thinking yet it's like filling up a terabyte with Word documents but now [TS]

  that you say you know that you get a lot of MMS and do a lot of image sending and [TS]

  receiving that actually makes a lot of sense because where is that stored what [TS]

  is that categorized as and that that really could be a problem plus your you [TS]

  know your billions of emoji and especially imagine imagine if Apple [TS]

  stores your emoji as images oh you actually stores high DPI images [TS]

  bubbles but you don't i'm saying it's it's frustrating still a maybe I'm [TS]

  abnormal in that I don't go through and call text messages and maybe most people [TS]

  are paranoid or whatever but but for me it by me not taking action in other [TS]

  words by me not going through and deleting all text messages in picture [TS]

  messages I have put myself in a position where I cloud backup effectively doesn't [TS]

  work for me unless I paid for it and and that's not necessarily a bad thing and [TS]

  it pretty much is my fault but it's interesting to me that when I do [TS]

  something that you would assume an average user would do which is just let [TS]

  SMS and MMS is fly by and just let let them go into the ether by doing that [TS]

  I've set myself up in a position where I can't use iCloud or not effectively [TS]

  anyway does anybody pay for extra storage and iCloud I would if I wanted [TS]

  to use it like it was it was better than local backup in more ways like it was [TS]

  his as fast if it kept all my passwords and encrypt it like you know this stuff [TS]

  things I club does slightly differently I thought about paying for many times [TS]

  and is going and the reason I always use the cable to my backup system because [TS]

  I'm against wife I think just because my battery almost always need to be charged [TS]

  by the time I and the back of the computer I'm playing in any way to [TS]

  charges why not also do the backup then I particularly liked it I don't think [TS]

  it's a maybe I'll go wireless eventually but for now I keep doing it the [TS]

  old-fashioned Lee and I believe I might pays for iCloud backup and I think he is [TS]

  the only person on the planet and his his up according to his statement on the [TS]

  prompt sounds pretty weird in general it is either very uncommon or like every [TS]

  other non become the world's just like him and we just don't see it I think I [TS]

  think what happens is like people would get the free iCloud and then they ran [TS]

  out of space on Ibiza is not hard to blow through that space and then they go [TS]

  to the Apple store cuz they can't figure out why the phone isn't working at [TS]

  giving them some message about being in a room or something like that don't [TS]

  understand what it's saying to them and eventually some explains them it's [TS]

  telling you that if you want to keep using your phone like you've been using [TS]

  you have to pass on that [TS]

  and they hate bad and they complain about it but it's better than learning a [TS]

  new way to do things a lot of people just end up not disliking Apple having a [TS]

  bad feeling about Apple that happens which is why is that so many times they [TS]

  need to like figure that out like giving people that little taste just as a [TS]

  setting them up to four bad feelings later but for most people it's easier [TS]

  than changing the way they do things I just want to keep doing whatever it is I [TS]

  was doing make this go away you know or maybe they just like they just turn off [TS]

  my car back up I'm not sure I want to take that alternative I don't need [TS]

  backup nothing's gonna side so talk to me about East squished Mac Mini on [TS]

  Twitter and he offers a theory about why the Mac Mini gets criticized my show [TS]

  that I didn't like that I got social liked it better when I was taller and [TS]

  skinnier and his theory is her theory is that it's because now it's if it's in a [TS]

  way you rack which I kinda by like before they used to track them [TS]

  vertically when they were found that many was they just turn them on their [TS]

  sides and I get there take up to you at that point no more than that and in 45 [TS]

  probably remember what it was like some of it anyway like the many many as [TS]

  doesn't really a rack mountable machine people have a rack-mounted it because [TS]

  it's small and it will fit and squashing it down to one you may be was a nod to [TS]

  the people [TS]

  racking them but if you're gonna make something good for racking you wouldn't [TS]

  make something like the mini like you would make it would be made differently [TS]

  very least it would have little flanges are some things you could actually put [TS]

  it in the mail but still looks like something is meant to be on desk [TS]

  somewhere yeah I would agree and you know it if they wanted to rack mount a [TS]

  Mac don't you think they would have liked some server or server and you [TS]

  would run OS 10 but you would maybe abbreviated as like exercise one more [TS]

  piece of follow up this is from [TS]

  an anonymous industry source of course I'ma get to identify a person talking [TS]

  about the the dole BCS damn I wish I found out at the end of the show that [TS]

  neither one of you know what that was talking about last week's still be [TS]

  showed this experimental like this is not a product but let's just show you [TS]

  what this would look like this experimental crazy television set up [TS]

  thing that was demonstrating what I was talking about you know in terms of [TS]

  better pixels a much larger range between the darkest and the brightest [TS]

  spot on a television you think about when you go outside the real world what [TS]

  is the difference in brightness between a place that's under direct sunlight in [TS]

  Newnan placed its shade under an umbrella or like it looking up at the [TS]

  sky and the Sun is in the corner of your eye what is the difference in brightness [TS]

  screamed at and in like a dark hearts huge gigantic dynamic range in a number [TS]

  of ways but it's way more than as a TV TV as bright areas in dark areas but [TS]

  they're much closer together and some of that is practically speaking to limit [TS]

  because if your television had the same dynamic ranges real life and a show pan [TS]

  the camera up to a sunny sky and you stared at the TV you'll go blind [TS]

  that's bad if you had televisions admitting for the full of her magnetic [TS]

  spectrum of the Sun at the same brightness a double take a lot of power [TS]

  would not be good for your vision that's not what we're talking about receiving a [TS]

  happy medium between the current incredibly small dynamic range of [TS]

  television's today and the outdoors and so this demo was like here here so we [TS]

  can do with current technology if we just you know make this crazy [TS]

  experimental set and looks strikingly different than a regular television [TS]

  radio television stars look like completely low contrast full of mud [TS]

  compared to this great dynamic range and so this industry that there is the you [TS]

  know the video entertainment industry sources high dynamic range just two big [TS]

  wins it looks stunning and is in my opinion the most interesting interesting [TS]

  feature added to cinema recently it has more than experienced in stereo 3d high [TS]

  frame rate or four que also since most video and other content creators are [TS]

  already producing 60% on images of Dover range values it's almost free there's [TS]

  some stuff that has been posting color grading but is no rear entering as there [TS]

  is with redeemed for cash [TS]

  I'd seen a double checking it's great for the home but I'm not sure how they [TS]

  gonna get us into theaters which is where the money is for the studios so [TS]

  the thing about the source is a good point because saying that that most of [TS]

  the country has already created with color values that are outside the range [TS]

  that can be displayed by a current output device so all their content is [TS]

  shot with 16 bits of value per component and scaled down to eight bits or less or [TS]

  whatever the current output devices that we have in our home so they don't have [TS]

  to reshoot the footage didn't have to rear ender doing just that they already [TS]

  have source material that is outside the range that can be displayed so someone [TS]

  can make a commercial set that can display a larger than our range a lot of [TS]

  the content that we already know about to be created in the past four years [TS]

  already has a decision here is already sufficient to show that extra range but [TS]

  again dodi was not demonstrating a private you could buy it was just kind [TS]

  of a you know wouldn't it be cool if kind of tech demo so I really hope that [TS]

  that's where people concentrate especially after porque comes and goes [TS]

  and you know does its thing the next thing they should be looking at is that [TS]

  I'm looking at it now it seems like for cut its forecast weather gonna do [TS]

  because easier but I'm much more excited about so I watched that in 10 years [TS]

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  for sponsoring the show some pretty big stuff has happened over the last couple [TS]

  of days we're recording on Wednesday the 15th and on the one hand I don't know if [TS]

  there's really not much more to say about it but on the other hand I know [TS]

  the three of us well enough to know there's probably some stuff to say so [TS]

  are you tearing the thermostats off the mark of the story in case you've been [TS]

  living under a rock and somehow the podcast are that Google has bought nest [TS]

  or is about to buy now pending regulatory approval I believe that [TS]

  Google is probably going to buy now for some 43 points something billion dollars [TS]

  they point to whatever it was a little over three billion dollars and so I have [TS]

  an estimate at my house there ok that might my favorite feature of them is the [TS]

  remote control iPhone app that I turned off all learning stuff because it kind [TS]

  of just bought with me all the time but imagine that something that wanted to [TS]

  control didn't get along with me cause I want to control so big surprise right so [TS]

  no american off the wall yet because first of all the one of the reasons I [TS]

  got nothing else really does the remote control aspect while also looking [TS]

  reasonably nice in the rooms so that's one problem one of the problems though [TS]

  is is that this is still very new things so I'm not gonna like the wallet out of [TS]

  some you know spite or speculation of what Google / nest might do in the [TS]

  future that being said I wrote a post about to go too far into it but I don't [TS]

  think it's wise for anybody to assume that these things are going to magically [TS]

  remain completely separate obviously if they're going to make a separate why [TS]

  would Google spend a lot of money on it that's that's probably not what happened [TS]

  I i think you can look at what Google how googled acquisitions on this scale [TS]

  YouTube from 1.6 billion forever ago back when [TS]

  at the time nowadays acquisitions for a billion dollars are [TS]

  are almost commonplace but back then they weren't and at least the tech [TS]

  business and so you know when they bought YouTube it was it was very [TS]

  clearly video is a big thing on the internet and I think history has has [TS]

  supported that since then that was a very wise decision if they weren't if [TS]

  they didn't buy it [TS]

  Yahoo Microsoft will probably gonna buy it and it it's a very good thing you got [TS]

  it for them because video is very very important represents tons of traffic [TS]

  activity on the internet so they they kinda had to do that when Facebook [TS]

  bought Instagram that was also over a billion wasn't it was or wasn't exactly [TS]

  what was exactly one billion right someone that I believe is around two [TS]

  billion so Facebook bought Instagram because they were threatened and freaked [TS]

  out because Facebook's primary like most used application is Photo Sharing and [TS]

  there was a huge world of photo sharing happening on the social network that was [TS]

  dominating mobile so it was competing with things Facebook users the most on [TS]

  mobile where Facebook was still pretty weak and was dead did not have a strong [TS]

  foothold in this was a major threat to Facebook that's why is like rush the [TS]

  deal through and and regardless of it being like right before their IPO and [TS]

  possibly having problems with that like he pushed through his he's a smart guy [TS]

  he knew this was a threat right now going back to Google they recently when [TS]

  I more recently the new to at least they bought Motorola Mobility for a twelve [TS]

  billion I don't remember I think Google which is it didn't remember to do so [TS]

  google buys Motorola Mobility for something like twelve billion and it [TS]

  seemed like the reason they bought it was cuz they were threatened and freaked [TS]

  out again just like you know you're buying YouTube they were threatening [TS]

  freaked out Facebook by Instagram they were they were threatened and right so [TS]

  Google buying Motorola they were threatening freaked out because all this [TS]

  patent stuff is going on around and raining very important to them in the [TS]

  Android Market was kind of becoming the Samsung market and it was kinda nice to [TS]

  prop somebody else up a little bit just for diversity sake and competition so it [TS]

  was mostly about patents I think adding that in the industry bears out so far [TS]

  but you know looking at that didn't turn out so well it seems like it was a [TS]

  sloppy move it seems like it was it was maybe not bought through maybe maybe not [TS]

  enough diligence down on what the value of these patents actually might be [TS]

  whatever the reason it seemed like it was kind of a rash decision at the time [TS]

  that a lot of people by surprise and so far has proven not to have really been [TS]

  worth it so this brings us to nest what what the heck they want with nest there [TS]

  is a good post on our friend Ben Thompson States trajectory that right [TS]

  finally think strategically too long it got the little things every child I [TS]

  pronounced in my head start a career but I believe its strategic re okay I think [TS]

  you're right so anyway so it's a Ben Thompson at street Stratego rewrote this [TS]

  is nice piece in the show notes about this might be Google's new business [TS]

  model getting into that that all of their previous business models have been [TS]

  focused on advertising and the number of people using the internet continuing to [TS]

  grow tremendously but apparently we're starting to reach the limits of the [TS]

  world population and economic realities such that the number of people using the [TS]

  internet the growth peak of that is going to end in a couple of years it was [TS]

  gonna start slowing down significantly so it's Google's relying on more and [TS]

  more people using the internet looking at their ads every day for all their [TS]

  future business it's kind of it almost saturated in notes it's not that it's [TS]

  not drinking it's not going to stop all growth but the growth is going to slow [TS]

  down a lot so his theory is that you're getting into devices getting into [TS]

  hardware might be there next new business model arm because advertising [TS]

  might be saturated for them or or close to it I don't know because so let's look [TS]

  at what they bought here they bought a company that is not very old sells [TS]

  products you know to a good volume but not like we're talking like an apple or [TS]

  Samsung kind of volume of products they're they're shipping here [TS]

  manufacturing so they're not buying a huge supply chain they're they're buying [TS]

  some good retail connection certainly but but not something you're not not the [TS]

  kind of connection that like a phone or computer OEM would have for instance so [TS]

  I think one of the biggest things that they're buying what appears to be a [TS]

  pretty good staff having Tony Fadell on the team is is probably gonna be a [TS]

  pretty big win but they're saying they're keeping nest separate and he's [TS]

  gonna keep running nest the next part of it so I don't know it kind of feels like [TS]

  that's a lot of money to have spent on a company that I'm not entirely sure how [TS]

  Google is really going to get that amount of value added this company [TS]

  what do you think so could it be in Akwa higher it's way too expensive for that [TS]

  for three billion I just how many employees using this house I i mean [TS]

  probably probably a couple hundred and I'm just gets a couple hundred that's [TS]

  why would I would say it's between 1,500 would be my guess based on no facts [TS]

  you're thinking like programmers know companies companies have way more staff [TS]

  than a lot then a program intended as made myself included because once you [TS]

  leave the engineering department and you get into like retail sales support [TS]

  manufacturing all that stuff it's massively people intensive they prob [TS]

  they probably have a couple hundred guess I didn't even do I thought you had [TS]

  to internet online and retail stores yet there in Best Buy that it had a big [TS]

  block deal at Best Buy and then the Apple Store yep like whatever it is 3.2 [TS]

  billion is a lot of money for a project that I is a luxury product that I don't [TS]

  think cells in any kind of both their products are luxury products because if [TS]

  you just wanna smoke detector thermostat you can get them way cheaper right and [TS]

  your house already has a thermostat only you know people with expendable income [TS]

  or tech nerds want to replace something and people just gonna go to Walmart get [TS]

  the cheap smoked chicken they can to be up to code it would take the battery out [TS]

  never put it back in like these are luxury items they have to be low volume [TS]

  there's not a lot of employees is not a lot of intellectual property there I [TS]

  would imagine [TS]

  you're getting a superstar Tony Fadell mister iPod but like that's one person [TS]

  up and 3.2 billion for him I i kind of I think the the penetration of Internet [TS]

  you know the growth peak thing is a real thing but I'm not sure that's [TS]

  particularly related to the next acquisition I think the easiest for the [TS]

  next acquisition is the obvious one which is Google [TS]

  loves information they have you know that's that's what they found so much [TS]

  like they love advertising or they'll of information and some people think it's [TS]

  because they're even then I spy and everything but like I see it from their [TS]

  perspective is a sort of perspective is like think of the cool things you could [TS]

  do we had more information what if we had pictures of every street United [TS]

  States what if we did what we did the inside of those like that you would go [TS]

  from right from the street into the inside of buildings and walk around you [TS]

  know if they could have live cameras on every street in the united states they [TS]

  would do that instead of having no pictures you know in the satellite but [TS]

  it's only bet we have what we can tell you where location GPS no phones is a [TS]

  great tool we can tell you're on your way home from work and what your traffic [TS]

  is like when you're gonna be there and all that other stuff you can do what if [TS]

  we had centers in your home look at what temperature is whether your home and the [TS]

  temperature outside like you can do cool things that information but they have [TS]

  this is basically a massively massively distributed computing infrastructure for [TS]

  information for their motto like to organize the world's information the [TS]

  temperature of your house is part of that world information across what [TS]

  freaks people out about it but I like think of what does ness makes things to [TS]

  gather information from inside people's homes I agree with everything you just [TS]

  said that that they they can derive value out of that of the data the [TS]

  connections the installed base of being at people houses but I can't see them [TS]

  getting three billion dollars worth of value out of that from this company [TS]

  well this company figured out how way to sell people sensors that go in their [TS]

  homes that are connected to the network and thus far google has been bad that [TS]

  Google would love to have more centers in people's homes that are connected to [TS]

  the network and we we don't sell a lot of them and we just felt early adopters [TS]

  for now but we found a way to celebrate have enough style and cachet to be [TS]

  interesting to ninety people Marco bhagwan right that's what I was writing [TS]

  their meeting this one about four that's what they should read in their slide in [TS]

  there you know Google you should acquire US next slide Marco but for us it's like [TS]

  you know it baby steps right I don't get this is part of a big initiative I don't [TS]

  think it's because Google wants to start selling iPods are you know consumer [TS]

  hardware they want to sell things that feed information back into this giant [TS]

  thing that is Google yes and I and I think you're right but we're also not [TS]

  considering that it's more than just Tony Fadell it's also as per some people [TS]

  who probably don't know like the chat and talk about them but the child has [TS]

  been quoting 0 a hundred or a hundred and plus X Apple employees and do you [TS]

  think that three billion is that a hundred Apple employees that are [TS]

  presumably very good lost Tony Fadell [TS]

  is worth three billion I don't think so but maybe maybe there's more talent [TS]

  there than we realize you have to retain that town like you mean depending on who [TS]

  gets what stock options and what your golden handcuffs on how long you have to [TS]

  stay at the company to get your whatever your gonna get like it is a good way to [TS]

  get good employees but the best employees are as restless as they they [TS]

  get the startup they make the cool thing to get acquired by the big company this [TS]

  day the big company this year they repeat that process because they just [TS]

  want to move on to new things and don't want to be a cog in the machine but I [TS]

  mean I like of all the companies they could have acquired nest is not so [TS]

  outlandish the price seems outlandish to me even with the supposedly 200 to 500 [TS]

  employees it's still still seems like a lot of money but you know there but [TS]

  they're buying based on what they think the future value Google is not how much [TS]

  investors work with its how much nest is worth to Google I think nest for example [TS]

  how much one st worth to Apple is it worth 3.2 billion to get those hundred [TS]

  employees back [TS]

  maybe maybe not Arness products worth that much I think that Apple would turn [TS]

  his nose at the process if we want to design a thermostat we could have done [TS]

  just to get a job if not better and same thing for the smoke hookah not say that [TS]

  go with it which are designed to be shaped like a steer nobody would ever [TS]

  ship i mean i think i think i think is Ben Thompson in one of these articles [TS]

  are that you know like him go he says keep the company's simple we know we we [TS]

  do a few things well Apple would never buy it because they like Apple doesn't [TS]

  buy companies that have existing products on the market place they have [TS]

  to keep supporting they don't don't do that that's not their style with a [TS]

  biologic and then stop making for anything that's always wanted to buy [TS]

  intel inside and we're not selling chips anyone else anymore so I guess that [TS]

  would be amazing it would've been amazing like four years ago and just [TS]

  take all that business I guess but like that would that would make everyone hate [TS]

  Apple that would also like if you really cared about personal computer market [TS]

  share by Intel and stop selling the chips and I'll see what they would hurt [TS]

  the most by the server world because like [TS]

  on PCs who cares people use whatever the heck is cheap and they don't care and [TS]

  the PC market is dying anyway but in the server world intel has a massive lead [TS]

  over everybody else and that that would suck I will never do that because it'll [TS]

  be super expensive and Apple shareholders were punished severely for [TS]

  buyers to prospective company and then cutting off almost all of its encounter [TS]

  I have to imagine to the department of justice would would possibly have a [TS]

  problem with the with that money I don't know if they would because like it in [TS]

  the Intel is the big dog and the chip space but there's there's a bunch of [TS]

  people who fab ARM chips and there's AMD sitting over there going hey we sell [TS]

  chips the servers to the nobody will be slightly better but it's more than [TS]

  slightly that's the problem it's not a day like they're in the fight [TS]

  hey what would hold the game consoles AMD got that contract that was that was [TS]

  about price in servers it's it's about performance per watt always wonder why [TS]

  Intel didn't compete for the harder for the impasse surely Intel could have [TS]

  gotten the game console thing if it wanted it but there was like 10 [TS]

  that but let let him to have well it's probably because correct me if I'm wrong [TS]

  are all these game console CPUs not x86 know there are six AMD AMD has [TS]

  particular assets to make it good because I can put you know it has the I [TS]

  forget what they're interconnect buses cease to be HyperTransport wherever it [TS]

  is like AMD is good at making you know integrated single-chip solutions which [TS]

  is what the game consoles need it so they I think they were better tailored [TS]

  to that and the margins has to be way way low on the game consoles so why [TS]

  wouldn't tell bend over backward to make its custom tailored single-chip solution [TS]

  for game consoles and their reward is super low margins compared to the [TS]

  martyrs they're getting on the CPU that they're selling less of myself but they [TS]

  sell into the server space those margins are much nicer so I don't know intel [TS]

  intel has a problem in terms of what their future business gonna be like but [TS]

  they didn't go for the game consoles maybe would be good for them to get in [TS]

  but I was reacting to something which aaron is saying what what would be the [TS]

  equivalent purchase for Apple and Google bison as far as apple pie beats me I I [TS]

  wish a few years ago they would have bought Twitter because I think that [TS]

  would have given them not only is not only a massive foothold in a very [TS]

  important area called social networks something about in the last few years [TS]

  but it also would have given them a massive staff and has had a run major [TS]

  web services they tried right well I mean I'm gonna try two years ago but [TS]

  it's just it's not their style to buy large established companies that are not [TS]

  directly related to what they're doing you know i i wouldn't see them really [TS]

  doing something like this that that that that's the problem is like there is no [TS]

  Apple equivalent to this cause they wouldn't they wouldn't do something like [TS]

  this in all likelihood likes to have their taking you to they want other [TS]

  companies they need other companies help but they want the other companies to [TS]

  assume all the risk and they want a bunch of other companies to compete for [TS]

  the honor of assuming all their risk for them so they will paid billions of [TS]

  dollars for some company to buy equipment to build their stuff but it's [TS]

  like you know after you finish making all those widgets for us the next which [TS]

  it might go to a different factory and we say goodbye to you you're not a [TS]

  problem anymore we don't worry about your employees are not to worry about [TS]

  higher than me [TS]

  future it's like totally you know they're they're in a power position is [TS]

  that we we have lucrative contracts to build things everybody wants our [TS]

  contracts [TS]

  why would we ever by a chip manufacturer with the fam for whatever lemme the fans [TS]

  this is the one thing that's different than the other stuff because there are [TS]

  only few fans in the world's fastest so insanely expensive intel has the best [TS]

  one and Apple seems to be saying we can make your own chips we give them a [TS]

  little names of days letters is like a tea and they're cool India and Ike and [TS]

  redesign the many patients Tampa whatever but they they fancy themselves [TS]

  like we control our own destiny because we haven't armed license and we tell me [TS]

  pay someone to feed them and now we don't have to worry not beholden to [TS]

  Intel chips of just true you know you don't worry about paying into Martin's [TS]

  but you're now at the mercy of three possible fams one of which is Intel and [TS]

  I you know are much I soon will continue licensing its things far and wide or we [TS]

  don't need our modem maker on architecture be fine but those fags like [TS]

  I guess would be collusion of they all got together and said they were going to [TS]

  crank up the prices for Apple but they're not really controlled their own [TS]

  destiny when I mean for Samsung spending so much of their stuff still that should [TS]

  tell them something so I would actually encourage Apple to consider buying intel [TS]

  sometime in the future when the weaker smaller until then and you don't think [TS]

  they would want Dropbox I don't think they would but I'm thinking what is what [TS]

  are Apple's big weaknesses at the moment and I think relying on other fabs is a [TS]

  great example and as we've whined about ad nauseam on this show in just about [TS]

  every other podcasts covers Apple iCloud services are an issue and and who is [TS]

  really really good cloud services twitter has gotten their Instagram is [TS]

  but too late [TS]

  tumblr is but too late you know so what's left and and since Steve flirted [TS]

  with the idea of Dropbox if memory serves now they want they want to buy [TS]

  Dropbox totally but if that story if any of those stories are to be believed and [TS]

  I didn't see you like Apple people categorically denying them [TS]

  they want me to send you have any concrete evidence that they wanted to [TS]

  buy Twitter but it's assumed I didn't read the twenty books maybe that's in [TS]

  there and Dropbox as soon as Steve Jobs come visit your company tells you your [TS]

  projects crap that means that people always talk about that incident with [TS]

  Dropbox know Apple should have bought them and i wish i buy Dropbox trust me [TS]

  you don't wish for that if you like Dropbox at all because it happened but [TS]

  Dropbox it probably would have been for the talent and maybe some of the [TS]

  algorithms or sink techniques maybe but mostly for the talent and they probably [TS]

  have shut down the product or ruined it and and not having a fab is not a [TS]

  weakness of appalachia again I think apples in a strength to dismiss like we [TS]

  don't need to assume this risk of having these Vegas kinds of things other people [TS]

  will assume all the risk and will get all the benefits as long as he manages [TS]

  relationships but it's a minor difficulty of the uncomfortable [TS]

  situation of relying so heavily on your biggest competitor that just like well [TS]

  that just kind of happened but by the same token like that's billions of [TS]

  dollars changing hands and it's it's kind of weird that you're paying Samsung [TS]

  and Samsung's not going to say we refuse your billions of dollars like now [TS]

  they're gonna keep taking your going down as long as you're so Apple is [TS]

  trying to transition away but it's not like I know we're in a weak position to [TS]

  go home and Samsung could refuse are billions of dollars to buy chips [TS]

  sentence can keep taking their money as long as you keep offering it is just [TS]

  like I keep looking at Intel because that is a strategic advantage I get into [TS]

  a sitting there off to the side with an architecture that nobody wants her [TS]

  mobile but the best dad in the world and I'm not sure what their plan is but if I [TS]

  was a huge company Samsung Google Apple it'd be like you know we could have an [TS]

  easy 10 15 10 perhaps larger percent advantage over all of our competitors if [TS]

  we just a bit more precise than they could seriously they could and that [TS]

  would just not something they can you know if you if you get intel's fads what [TS]

  is it what is your competitors recourse they can't catch up to you they can't [TS]

  like whip SMC harder's I work harder than 40 nanometers come on guys gonna do [TS]

  better I think that's what I 17 connectors be doing [TS]

  its entire life is trying to get better on the are getting better but for now [TS]

  until as late so I keep looking at them and so few people pointed out to me last [TS]

  brought this up and when when the people including our friend Ben Thompson we're [TS]

  talking about this one of the problems is that supposedly people who are [TS]

  smarter than me at the stuff figured out that intellectual doesn't have anywhere [TS]

  near the capacity to fap things for Apple put things right away rather well [TS]

  that's a South why did you just say that story that Intel close to the new brand [TS]

  new famine and Arizona before or even opening it before even starting to that [TS]

  chips on it there's a multi-billion dollar that they built the building and [TS]

  everything they just didn't buy the family the super expensive fabric opened [TS]

  up like two-thirds of the cost of the entire center but instead of buying [TS]

  equipment installing it there just like saying just leave that aside for now cuz [TS]

  they were going to find their stuff there instead they said they're gonna [TS]

  414 enemy stuff in their existing fads and the reason it's speculated that [TS]

  doing that is because they don't have enough customers to warrant opening an [TS]

  entire new that so it's like if you know if you buy it they will build if they [TS]

  had if Apple Sunday said hey in 2012 to Feb all of our stuff someday they would [TS]

  say great we have all those excess capacity there were currently not usable [TS]

  by that it will install it in that building will start building more like [TS]

  that's a problem Intel is happy to have but right now has had the opposite [TS]

  problem that they were building with expectations of the regrowth would [TS]

  continue on the current trend but like a dip in the PC market and like the [TS]

  prominence of mobiles making it so well we set out to many many years ago we set [TS]

  out to build this giant famine Arizona looks like we're not even gonna need it [TS]

  so just keep it on pause there maybe we'll need it later I think intel would [TS]

  love to to fulfill Apple's needs but it's by increasing its capacity do you [TS]

  think intel will eat crow anytime soon do you think it will stop being so proud [TS]

  and allow themselves to have Apple bully them into a deal because he know Apple [TS]

  to your point earlier won't go into a deal must extremely lucrative for [TS]

  Apple's well or perhaps maybe if it totally screw Samsung's so do you think [TS]

  that Apple would get [TS]

  despots right word but punchy enough to to give Samsung middle finger and [TS]

  simultaneously Intel will get desperate enough to take on Apple I think that's [TS]

  the only thing you can scare up with it would be like well I know we've been [TS]

  going back and forth and we keep saying you gotta take a clear and you keep [TS]

  saying just fab are chipas is an arm and we can ever come to agreement but you [TS]

  know Samsung is over here and there talking to us and they want us to get [TS]

  you could try to make them jealous like look if you don't do it Samsung is going [TS]

  to you know it's stupid and make some deals and they'll get you know they'll [TS]

  they'll get our heads and you work on their own stupid their shameless [TS]

  they are quite smart true I i don't i don't see that I think we're at an [TS]

  impasse until someone's power position changes drastically until his look at [TS]

  the way we care into Apple gets way stronger Intel Samsung its way stronger [TS]

  in the current scenario I think if in any negotiations between these three [TS]

  companies you know many pairs of these three companies were kind of it at the [TS]

  status quo that is no reason that Intel should bend over backward to take the [TS]

  apples deals now there's no reason that Apple should bend over backwards and [TS]

  stay out until we need you so bad because they don't like nobody knows [TS]

  anybody that badly to make it a done deal at this point so nothing happens [TS]

  right but just look how long it took to get in tellin to max and for a long time [TS]

  the writing was on the wall that aimed at Apple was in a weak position Apple [TS]

  desperately needed a CPU solution Intel is willing to offer it and even that [TS]

  took forever to come to pass so I think we're far from that kind of power [TS]

  imbalance here it's here [TS]

  anything else about Nesta three guys think about the privacy paranoia stuff [TS]

  well before you do that let's let's do the second thing we like this week it is [TS]

  our friends at transporter so transporter we've talked about [TS]

  transporter a lot before to review in the new stuff but to review transporter [TS]

  is its cool product which is basically it works in software like Dropbox but [TS]

  it's a hardware external drive enclosure that you own and control so you you buy [TS]

  this enclosure or the or their new protocol transporters sink which has a [TS]

  USB port you plug in [TS]

  any any external hard drive the already have you buy this enclosure or this [TS]

  adapter for just an enclosure and your hard drive becomes a cloud storage drive [TS]

  and its private and it's secure everything is encrypted back and forth [TS]

  over the internet so you can have you can have this thing in your house and [TS]

  you can have another one in somebody else's house or your office you can have [TS]

  certain folders or the whole thing's sink to each other [TS]

  you could install software on your computer or any other computers or even [TS]

  on your iPhone or Android devices and iOS Android devices use me and you can [TS]

  have you can access everything over the internet from that hard drive it sitting [TS]

  in your house and all these folders on these files are not stored in the cloud [TS]

  they are stored only on that drive or whatever you whatever computers are [TS]

  seeking to it so everything is private and secure its easier for certain [TS]

  regulatory compliance is easier for personal privacy and for you know if [TS]

  your principles or or standards are such that you don't want to store stuff on [TS]

  cloud drives if you're worried about security or the NSA it's really just [TS]

  this very nice product for that this kind of hard to explain things but trust [TS]

  me I just think of it like Dropbox where you own the hard drive that everything [TS]

  stored on and they have awesome software you install a desktop they have a new [TS]

  features in version 2.4 now you can you can select to automatically sync your [TS]

  special user folders on Mac OS 10 you can say like think the desktop documents [TS]

  downloads movies pictures music like all these like special media or destination [TS]

  folders you can have those sync with Florida transport automatically and sync [TS]

  between any computers you have connected to the transporter so I think about the [TS]

  the possible uses of that I mean that's that's incredibly have all your photos [TS]

  sent from your photos directory no special directories not not an islamic [TS]

  the Dropbox folder anything not a network share you can have everything [TS]

  synced locally that's that's really powerful you can also upload photos [TS]

  directly from your iOS device to your transporter with their with their iPhone [TS]

  iPhone and iPad apps really great stuff going on there they're really they're [TS]

  doing a lot of improvements to the software they're adding new capabilities [TS]

  all the time of these things and best of all [TS]

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  is just 349 a one terabyte transporter is just 249 500 gigs just $1.99 and you [TS]

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  clouds are you gonna pay monthly fees with transporter it you own the drive [TS]

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  thanks a lot to file transporter for sponsoring our show once again so John [TS]

  you had just asked about privacy do you care to restate the question sir Marcus [TS]

  is the most the most aunty Google amongst us a lot of people free hand [TS]

  over privacy concerns that not only other testifies going to start spying on [TS]

  them but now like nest previously the company that they loved and trusted is [TS]

  going to start making your products that come pre-installed with Google's evil [TS]

  and all spy on you and steal your school and do whatever they do and you said [TS]

  your not gonna get rid of your nice things but how do you feel about the [TS]

  like previously if we have seen how do you feel about the company now right [TS]

  whatever it now as I don't know Google has them there now they're evil I would [TS]

  certainly hasn't hit me forever buying another one that's that's for sure but i [TS]

  think im not gonna lie I don't hate [TS]

  Google I i mean I'm kind of just a maybe a skeptic or maybe a cynic but certainly [TS]

  a skeptic and and by that I mean you know I don't mean that I look at [TS]

  everything and try to find the worst possible interpretation I just try I [TS]

  look at things like I try to cut through the corporate speak and the you know hey [TS]

  we're all friends here kind of a translation translation Petra decision [TS]

  to cut through all that and because corporate communication is is just [TS]

  infected with bloat and and euphemism and just just diversions you know all [TS]

  this crap 22 can decode bad news or to hide things they don't really want you [TS]

  to think about or they are that are in communion for you to think about and [TS]

  this this you know we used to think that the tech industry was different a real [TS]

  and and now the tech industry is big enough that that's not the case at a [TS]

  chemistry is just as much corporate crap and all the communications everybody [TS]

  else does so I tried to cut through all that and and look at things [TS]

  realistically because history has proven that all these nice candy-coated [TS]

  statements from the big tech companies there is usually a real truth there that [TS]

  that's less pretty if you if you think about it so and history has proven that [TS]

  that is usually the case once you see like you know what companies say versus [TS]

  what happens and what happens next and what happens two years later I i think [TS]

  im not be unreasonable as lot of this stuff so I can always write that [TS]

  everyone turns evil or anything but I think I think history has shown that [TS]

  there's good reason to be skeptical of what companies tell you is good reason [TS]

  to cut through some of this crap that tries to candy coating spending so I [TS]

  look at what they're doing here and I say well you know obviously they say now [TS]

  that you don't have to worry we're keeping these companies as a separate as [TS]

  separate units and nested will only be used for improved Nestor products and [TS]

  services but obviously that doesn't really mean anything because they can [TS]

  always change that because privacy policies can always be changed as they [TS]

  can change that and [TS]

  the definition of what exactly a nest products and services can be so broad [TS]

  once they're owned by Google then you know it doesn't really matter so if [TS]

  you're concerned about ness data being used by Google [TS]

  valid concern and I don't think you can trust anything that they say to the [TS]

  contrary that you shouldn't be concerned about that I think if you don't want [TS]

  Google knowing stuff that your nest can find out or can or can infer then that's [TS]

  a valid concern and and their statements have not done anything to alleviate that [TS]

  to any critical eye that being said me personally I don't I don't care that [TS]

  strongly about it you know I don't know if I cared so strongly I would block [TS]

  Google in my hosts file and and just not ever use any of their services in block [TS]

  all their beds everywhere and and just be fine with that I don't care strongly [TS]

  about it about it you know i i try to keep a somewhat healthy distance from [TS]

  google but I still use their stuff when it's the best tool for the job for them [TS]

  doing and just so I still use search I still use maps and probably some of the [TS]

  stuff I'm not even aware of my studies analytics on my site even though I hate [TS]

  it and so you know I strongly about it and I think caring so strongly to try to [TS]

  avoid one company went like like bending over backwards to avoid one company is [TS]

  usually just hurting yourself and you know it's it's like when people had a [TS]

  bad experience flying somewhere and I'm never gonna fly Delta never again there [TS]

  at airlines at five years exactly exactly and that's all the stuff is like [TS]

  this every tech giant Apple included does stuff that I don't like and it [TS]

  offends me and so you just gonna have to have to look at pragmatism and say well [TS]

  ok you know I I could go go . men or I could be useful and and its use to have [TS]

  things be a little bit easier and everybody makes the same trade off [TS]

  that's why all these ad-supported creepy services are able to exist and thrive so [TS]

  well because everyone is making the same tradeoff people say I don't want to pay [TS]

  for email hosting [TS]

  final go to Gmail it's good enough for a TV or its the best in their opinion and [TS]

  that's fine with them so you know everyone has a line where they draw to [TS]

  say like well I will tolerate you know X amount of ads / creepiness slash costs [TS]

  to me I will tolerate that in exchange for the service apart they want to use [TS]

  and you know I just I'm not saying that you should necessarily move that line [TS]

  and where you draw it I just think it's worth knowing what you're getting into [TS]

  and and and looking at things critically I think I'm probably the biggest Google [TS]

  fan amongst us to use more of their products like I use Gmail as my mail [TS]

  calendar and let us use this search how I even use Google Plus sometimes I have [TS]

  course you're doing everything and I think I think we're a lot of the [TS]

  commentary on Google Nexus 10 Google privacy concerns from your market but [TS]

  also from other people [TS]

  goes wrong is not so much in what's going to happen but why some of the good [TS]

  thing about you know it's obviously nice and cool stuff can be integrated and you [TS]

  know they're they're going to share data and anything else does [TS]

  by definition is to improve ness products that Samuel statement and blah [TS]

  blah so they're going to be connected schools going to connect up all the [TS]

  information do always through all the other products that's what Google does [TS]

  and I think a lot of those things could be cool [TS]

  could be could enhance Google's products can enhance national making us better [TS]

  make your Android phone better illegal search better maps better give me [TS]

  driving directions but like everything it's there's a lot of synergy as they [TS]

  say in the business between the speed sensors that more sensors and more data [TS]

  makes more intelligent decisions and that's all good and so I and i think [TS]

  that's mostly how Google season because they're the people who work there like [TS]

  thinking I like what can we do if we had all this information and people always [TS]

  wanted sensors and stuff in the home and you know things that smart smart homes [TS]

  and other crap in a way to make that happen so that's that's gonna happen [TS]

  right and [TS]

  the next thing is I okay well once that happens just saw happening kind of [TS]

  within one company you know Google even though its cool Nestor whatever this is [TS]

  all happening like some centralization of power group was already so powerful [TS]

  because it had searched everything and now just more and more information is [TS]

  accumulating in Google which is why people get this topic Google+ [TS]

  integrating with you to comment and everything is like they want to think of [TS]

  it as silos those selling out behind the scenes and once it becomes clear to them [TS]

  this is all going to one place in the AM I got this one company know so much [TS]

  about me if I think what is Google know about me they know everything about you [TS]

  know you're worried about like the NSA having meditate on your phone calls and [TS]

  everything if you use all Google services they have way more information [TS]

  here that obviously different because the NSA is taking it unwillingly and [TS]

  that the government in it and I'm not saying this year equivalent to saying [TS]

  that a lot of information about you and Google and here's where I think it goes [TS]

  wrong what the danger of Google having all this information is not that Google [TS]

  is going to do terrible things with it the danger of Google having all the [TS]

  information is the Google will do something stupid or people will hack [TS]

  them although get them I mean just look at the target thing of getting on your [TS]

  credit card information on target any giant pool of information about people [TS]

  as a target and the more centralized that pool is in the more valuable [TS]

  information is in the more of it there is the more it to target and I don't [TS]

  think Google is going to get all this information and be evil with it although [TS]

  depending on your definition of evil that that may have already happened I [TS]

  think the danger is also information gathering into this big funnel into [TS]

  Google and Google will now that information to leak out into the world [TS]

  accidentally people get it from them it will leak out [TS]

  unintentionally because that's the nature of the things we've been putting [TS]

  credit cards and giant databases for years and we just kept doing that until [TS]

  finally you know there's a little change in the dam and some credit card or [TS]

  whatever ventures gonna be look every credit card every issue has now been [TS]

  stolen like netscape that's that's going to happen eventually because you this [TS]

  information is in too many places all over the place and I think where people [TS]

  go wrong with their Christmas and the like Google is mean and evil not doing [TS]

  this because they're even know [TS]

  incompetents it's gonna happen it what's gonna happen if they're doing it because [TS]

  they are well-intentioned and they want to meet cool products and then that [TS]

  information will get out because it's impossible not for it to get for it not [TS]

  to get [TS]

  out and then we're all screwed I think the thing that that people find alarming [TS]

  is that Google is getting demonstrable better over time at figuring you out and [TS]

  getting a more complete picture of who you are and what you do for example at [TS]

  work I was sitting there this was two or three months ago in somebody'd started [TS]

  like spazzing out at their computer and they were kind of modern themselves [TS]

  while whites and then the same almost exact same thing happened just a week or [TS]

  two ago what was going on was when that person with my co-workers went to KU to [TS] it had like I didn't see myself but it it had like confetti or [TS]

  something and it said happy birthday you know John Smith because it knew that [TS]

  that day was a person's birthday because they were signed into Gmail or whatever [TS]

  the case may be and so on the Google homepage it said a happy birthday John [TS]

  and that they found to be very creepy not necessarily because wishing you a [TS]

  happy birthday is bad but it was taking information that yes they willingly [TS]

  provided to Google but maybe gmail for example and using it on and [TS]

  just like you said John you know it's it's not really siloed but it sort of [TS]

  feels siloed to a normal persons myself included I use Gmail and I use Google [TS]

  Calendar and I i don't know if I go so far as to say I use these services [TS]

  begrudgingly but but I'm getting more and I'm giving it harder and harder side [TS]

  I with each passing year and I think that the again the real problem instead [TS]

  that Google's getting a more complete picture of who we are and to think that [TS]

  we're that they're getting a more complete picture of who we are even at [TS]

  home when we are our most unreserved is creepy now to argue with myself for a [TS]

  moment [TS]

  friend of the show steven hack it had a couple of really even had a couple [TS]

  really good tweets early today then read real quick he said maybe we should keep [TS]

  your pants on I don't particularly care for Google's policies but fearing your [TS]

  thermostat spying on you is nuts [TS]

  he went on to say I'm more upset about what seemed to be a cool innovative [TS]

  company leaving the market and I left gmail months ago and and i think that [TS]

  that was a nice way of saying we only to relax and this may not be so bad and I [TS]

  think that's both right and wrong I don't think it's going to be bad soon I [TS]

  don't think it may not be bad at all but the thing that creeps me out is when I [TS]

  was in college I was just graduating from Virginia Tech in 2004 when this is [TS]

  right around the time of Google Gmail came out and I remember covering a gmail [TS]

  invite like nobody's business for sale on eBay for like $100 exactly in so I [TS]

  wanted one so so badly and in soon I eventually had a friend at school that [TS]

  that got one and he gave me an invite in all my god I'm so excited because Google [TS]

  doesn't do evil it says it in the fridge amato they don't do evil and I was so [TS]

  excited have a gmail invite I can get away [TS]

  well I knew I was going to have to leave my my Virginia Tech email address and [TS]

  and I didn't have to go back to like Hotmail from when I was 10 and so man I [TS]

  was so excited to be on Gmail fast forward from 2004 to 2040 name a decade [TS]

  later and everytime Google does something I end up giving it harder and [TS]

  harder side I and I look at it again be like that you're doing the same thing [TS]

  though they got your friend who was freaked out about the birthday thing and [TS]

  you are both miss attributing your discomfort to Google Google does not [TS]

  have your your personal information does not have any value to Google in the way [TS]

  that you mean like now they know you're cheating on your wife and they have this [TS]

  information they're going to get that information is useless to Google unless [TS]

  they can sell you like you know what does that actually whatever [TS]

  that website is that you don't like it they there is no there is no person [TS]

  there [TS]

  salacious Lee trolling through the details information but the discomfort [TS]

  you feel is founded in its founded in not the Google is gonna do evil things [TS]

  with your thing is that once Google has that information [TS]

  everybody else who would want that information knows exactly where to get [TS]

  they go to Google if you want to find out [TS]

  what's going on in someone's life well guess what I know where there's enough [TS]

  information you think of a politician who uses Google services I bet their [TS]

  competitor in a close race would love to get every bit of information Google has [TS]

  about them [TS]

  Google's not going to use that information it is not in Google's best [TS]

  interest [TS]

  probably to shoot sway the the the outcome of political races are a move [TS]

  politics is about choices actually prolly would be cool interest but i [TS]

  think im just like more mundane things like I know you know that you didn't go [TS]

  to school today because I tractor your GPS was on your Android phone to your [TS]

  check-ins and I'm gonna tell your parents that you didn't go to school [TS]

  Google is not gonna do that it is really dumb to do evil things with that [TS]

  information but once Google has information which one that information [TS]

  is in one place everybody else who wants to do bad things to you and the mundane [TS]

  you know your random dirty guy down the block or a bunch of hackers who want to [TS]

  get it and sell it to people who want to use it or whatever that's the problem [TS]

  and so on people when you giving you a hard side I it's not that you shouldn't [TS]

  be afraid the Google is gonna do evil stuff because that would be incredibly [TS]

  stupid for Google to do evil stuff to you it wouldn't it would not be in their [TS]

  interest but you you do know that they have this information and you do know [TS]

  there's someone out there who would want another network together [TS]

  yeah and I think you're right but it's not necessarily about Google doing evil [TS]

  it's about the mundane things that you think should fly under everyone's radar [TS]

  anymore let me give you a concrete example friend of mine at work my buddy [TS]

  George he said to me oh you know I was looking up how much it would be to pay [TS]

  off the rest of the loan in my car and he said I did this on Saturday that will [TS]

  get this case he's come monday I got a call from my dealer that I bought the [TS]

  car from saying hey man you know everything about coming in and upgrading [TS]

  your car and there was something else he had said mean I don't recall what it was [TS]

  but it was a couple of me begun email from someone someone else that wanted to [TS]

  like get him into a new BMW [TS]

  he has a BMW now and so it was very creepy that him doing nothing but [TS]

  looking at how much it would cost to finish his loan [TS]

  presumably mean that we don't know this for sure but presumably led to some [TS]

  dealer calling him in saying hey do you want to get into new BMW I bet we can [TS]

  make that happen in so the point of driving this was a very mundane thing [TS]

  that he didn't think would make any difference and suddenly he's now getting [TS]

  heckled from a dealer because of it and I think Google having a more complete [TS]

  picture of who each one of us is could lead to things like that in another [TS]

  example is tight I in the chat earlier said I read the same article but I [TS]

  forget the details that target had started emailing some woman's some young [TS]

  ladies dad because I like shared a credit card or something like that [TS]

  information like hey we think you might like the following things and the things [TS]

  were all things for new moms so target had deduced based on the purchases that [TS]

  that the young woman made that she was probably pregnant and will probably need [TS]

  the following things and so her dad found out that his daughter was that [TS]

  that the daughter was pregnant by way of target saying hey we think you might [TS]

  want the following and that's just weird like that was old world tech tracking [TS]

  your credit cards for decades and you know that you don't need too much [TS]

  information about is where how do you make the system work because in one in [TS]

  some respects inevitable that is going to be more information but always out [TS]

  there and it's getting more interconnected and that's just the [TS]

  bottom line like there's no turning back on it because the usefulness of these [TS]

  two great outweighs the same thing with credit card when you pay for everything [TS]

  with cash nobody knew what you bought the credit card their way to get me and [TS]

  we are willing to live with the fact that the credit card company knows [TS]

  everything we buy we made that decision [TS]

  decades ago everyone's ok with it the thought of it is sometimes targets and [TS]

  you i think for baby toys and your dad finds out whether that's the tradeoff [TS]

  we've made right but as the saying goes up I think our laws need to keep up with [TS]

  it and i think that what we're missing here in these laws and again setting [TS]

  aside the NSA for now because that's that's extra legal they are the Law [TS]

  Judge Dredd what we're missing here is like I i think there's no there's no [TS]

  turning back the tide there's no going full stahlman and saying you can't [TS]

  collect this information or whatever [TS]

  or trying to do some sort of like information no anti anti-trust like [TS]

  monopoly thing like Oh no one company and have X amount of information about [TS]

  you I don't you think that's going to work for you have to do is say look we [TS]

  know you're going to collect all the information but it's illegal to do XYZ [TS]

  with that information about you know it's illegal to look at that information [TS]

  would have to be like private the encrypted it's illegal for you to sell [TS]

  that information it like right now in school has an information of yours there [TS]

  are very few limits on what they can do it right and what should should be like [TS]

  you know you can collect all this information but understand you're [TS]

  collecting for my benefit so I can know how long I can use gonna take some [TS]

  iPhone can tell me that my wife is running late and just went to the store [TS]

  like but if you can't certainly can't give that information to anyone else and [TS]

  if it you know if we find out someone in your company is looking at information [TS]

  it's a felony and they go to jail like there is a gap in the law which because [TS]

  the laws don't expect any one company to know that much about one person right [TS]

  now laws like hey you totally click degree you totally signed up to give [TS]

  information Google owns that information that's not part of your life and that's [TS]

  the gap that we have the needs to be addressed because there's no way you can [TS]

  stop them from collecting I think we all want them to collect it we just want to [TS]

  know that information is being collected on our behalf and there are strict [TS]

  limits on what they can do with that information and if you violate those [TS]

  limits bad thing happens to individuals to companies I don't know what chance [TS]

  did we ever get a loss like that but that's i think that's that's what needs [TS]

  to happen because the other things are just not going to happen we're not going [TS]

  to stop them from collecting [TS]

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  of information held by private companies and the thing that should have occurred [TS]

  to me because it's related to my work is HIPAA existing law for protecting your [TS]

  health information and that's the case where the information was sensitive [TS]

  enough that there was the political capital to make laws to address this [TS]

  because I okay well your doctors have information about your health and most [TS]

  people feel that that's so sensitive that like ok I'm giving you the [TS]

  information about health but you can give it to me when you want you only [TS]

  information about my health you can't tell my boss that I have some incurable [TS]

  disease are you know even my wife with that mouth like this that information is [TS]

  private and so there are laws saying what what people who deal with health [TS]

  information can and can't do it now those laws I think are still two lakhs [TS]

  working for healthcare company in terms of like what the punishments are because [TS]

  if if you first of all people people who work with healthcare information if they [TS]

  have a business-related reason to see it it's okay for them to see it you know as [TS]

  part of their work you know working on information systems and how the West how [TS]

  could they deal with it right but if you see information that you're not supposed [TS]

  to order technically isn't a work-related reason the penalties to the [TS]

  company in the individual are probably not as severe as they should be [TS]

  especially at the company level if they do find nothing values were set some [TS]

  time when the law was made in its like that's like you know seven hours of [TS]

  revenue for our company who cares not a big deal like you don't want to be like [TS]

  the cost of doing business so any kind of law that's protecting information [TS]

  like this it's cool to have health care information I think they probably had [TS]

  some health care issues like every other company has at some point but for the [TS]

  most part no they don't have [TS]

  wasn't that part of the the island plan that all your health information would [TS]

  be open source or something every every company has done some kind of weird [TS]

  every company has done something involving health care fictional and real [TS]

  but if you would look at a certain point I think the accumulation of information [TS]

  that Google has about you will be [TS]

  more of a privacy concern then information protected by hip especially [TS]

  for like it you know [TS]

  for most people who are you don't have either maybe you know how much else be [TS]

  like Google know where you every second of the day what you're doing and where [TS]

  your comings and goings are what your what your searches are whatever you mail [TS]

  to and from you it said what your text messages said you know where I am like [TS]

  they will no way of getting back to the usual political opponent if you are [TS]

  given two choices you can have complete access to your political opponents [TS]

  healthcare records are you could have complete access to their entire [TS]

  everything Google knows about them you if you were a betting man you'd sell [TS]

  technical information please because unless there's some health information [TS]

  like he has a terminal disease or something that's that's your only real [TS]

  chance like don't like them is going to die soon but the Google information boy [TS]

  you know especially with ongoing given to Google information feed on my [TS]

  opponent that super valuable so just the laws the government who can do the [TS]

  information we give them should already be stronger than the HIPAA and hip I [TS]

  think could be stronger still so we're far from that but welcome to America one [TS]

  thing that gives me hope is here I wanna put this link in the note it's it's an [TS]

  article on the verge by Nilay Patel who hates me but I like him and it's about [TS]

  it he posted a couple here yesterday about you know called why's everyone [TS]

  disappointed by Google buying nest and at the end he says Google people are [TS]

  becoming skeptical of Google's motives and and becoming a little afraid afraid [TS]

  of an unchecked Google what's the date on this late because I'm pretty sure we [TS]

  all have this conversation like three years ago about hey people are becoming [TS]

  I swear an actual podcast maybe you may be exactly three years ago I remember [TS]

  being on a podcast we're talking about this like that the tide had turned [TS]

  because like maybe was like cool thing about Twitter or something and that was [TS]

  that I was talking about the care member when we used to be excited when Google [TS]

  would by somebody in nowadays are excited when our favorite star be get [TS]

  bought and nowadays when Google by somebody like that's the end of that and [TS]

  now they're going to be evil like this this I think you could you could keep [TS]

  rerunning the story every year [TS]

  well I think I've I felt a shift in this myself just anecdotally because I've [TS]

  been skeptical of Google and and expressing fear of an unchecked Google I [TS]

  think I think a few years longer than most people have in in the tech writing [TS]

  world and I I kind of felt like I was being like my own crazy paranoid itself [TS]

  out in the middle of the woods [TS]

  you know you are I am that's true but it felt like I was the only one who felt [TS]

  this way who'd wasn't that excited whenever Google would roll out some new [TS]

  feature that would crush the whole industry you know and and who was like I [TS]

  was never I was never like all in on Google shares that may be with the data [TS]

  on news I think maybe that was the thing I'm thinking about the Asian News know [TS]

  that's one of those way back in nineteen days in his thing that had all the [TS]

  Usenet post and that's how they got all that became Gulu groups and a good news [TS]

  was like outdated news great you can find stuff and you could use that was [TS]

  terrible to use like the native way and so you would use day's news in the [TS]

  Googlebot Americans like to bed and that like I don't know what date that is on [TS]

  the chair encoded up with that was a long time ago and that was I think the [TS]

  first time that conversation came up at like we all love Google we all of data [TS]

  news why are we happy when Google by station news well groups is why what [TS]

  gives me hope is that this is no longer an isolated opinion this is no longer [TS]

  minority opinion this and it was even back then it was even a year ago it was [TS]

  now though people are starting to get a little bit creeped out by Google and I [TS]

  think that's the best for everybody including Google that people are finally [TS]

  getting a little bit skeptical a little bit like you know maybe we should put a [TS]

  little more critical thought of this before we go celebrate and through all [TS]

  of our data in here and I thought that's just that's a very good spread spreading [TS]

  wider like the nerds have always been concerned but sharon says it was 2001 [TS]

  news but now it's spreading wide and varied just attack married site but just [TS]

  like I don't get enough like the new york times and stuff today is coming up [TS]

  at that point but I think now if you asked [TS]

  if you ask the average person how do you feel about Google acquiring company [TS]

  they're gonna say I don't know what next as explained to me if they think about [TS]

  it for a little while to them you know getting a lot of information about us [TS]

  and I think like you know it's just been slowly ramping up maybe once we get the [TS]

  mainstream kind of acceptance but you can take a microphone to anyone on the [TS]

  street and say hey Google thinking of buying X what do you think about that [TS]

  and they grown then that's it you know they will have commit complete [TS]

  penetration so I think it's escalating and I guess you measure it in in our [TS]

  nerd nearby [TS]

  number and volume of in terms of loudness of posted whenever Google by [TS]

  somebody and so maybe like this time there's even more articles in there even [TS]

  more strained an angry about it but i dont not quite sure to cross over the [TS]

  USA today maybe USA to write a story about this but will will the tone of the [TS]

  USA today's story be look at all the extra information goals getting about [TS]

  you and is it an unsafe that one company information and again I cringe every [TS]

  time it's like because Google is going to do evil things with the Cougars going [TS]

  to stuff to make some money with it and maybe that's an average sizes and stuff [TS]

  like that in my view consider the evil but Google is not going to tell your [TS]

  wife is not include interest to do that on purpose anyway they do accidentally [TS]

  on purpose but once glad that information it is extremely dangerous [TS]

  than anybody has any information especially a company like Google that [TS]

  doesn't care anything about you your life just like well protected as best we [TS]

  can but if you're stupid and someone gets through your or stabbing someone [TS]

  gets to our air are really smart and someone just breaks in there we have a [TS]

  bad employee or you know whatever else happened it's dangerous and hey there's [TS]

  no real punishment for us of the new stopping using our services but what we [TS]

  gonna do you do use being retired I think so thanks for the response this [TS]

  week [TS]

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  research [TS]

  that's Casey list and a team Marco [TS]

  are you going to do with the two-party system go ahead throw your vote away I [TS]

  actually know this one for the first time ever go on TV or go out and watch [TS]

  TV you know twelve years ago when that when that episode of The Simpsons [TS]

  Halloween special aired there you go [TS]

  this case it wasn't born yet so I'm older than Marco for christ sake but if [TS]

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  price is he got too close to the ring for too long time and David Karp known [TS]

  that should be reversing is David Davis like six years that's really how do you [TS]

  think he's just it's like during great 266 days [TS]

  actually having a kid yeah that's that's what I mean I mean geez David is like a [TS]

  ball of constant energy and enthusiasm it came from [TS]

  off to prevent from seeping into you too much money they wouldn't get stuck in [TS]

  neutral protease been in there forever will get to know and someday you'll get [TS]

  to software methodologies waiting at the may be receiving a good if we keep [TS]

  getting questions on Twitter from people saying hey when was the methodology up [TS]

  there i think im not get the app I get another one for you to get to the [TS]

  fireworks factory the whites alright let's just forget it [TS]

  somebody whatever you want two titles I see any better than market but for [TS]

  that's my topic I can come around that they just see speaker Marco buying for [TS]

  did you see the flat LED light bulbs [TS]

  Phillips ones yeah yeah as soon as I can buy 1 I'll just try it out but it's it's [TS]

  getting to the point now where there's tons of pretty decent LED bulbs that are [TS]

  roughly 60 Watts equivalent in brightness for roughly $12 it why do [TS]

  they keep doing only sixties I would but I would start buying them maybe if it [TS]

  hundreds equipment why did find a good hundreds of them but it's still like [TS]

  fifty-five dollars so I bought one of them and it's awesome I put it in like [TS]

  in the 10 lab next to my desk that I've had that I was keeping a CFL in all [TS]

  these are all these years I think I think I know whether all well there's [TS]

  probably some technical reason for the low wattage but you know in terms of [TS]

  marketing and selling them I think they'll watch because people who have [TS]

  enough money to buy LED light bulbs also houses with many pictures and a lot of a [TS]

  lot of fixtures will use like late one to three 60 watt bulbs like if you have [TS]

  a lot of pictures you don't put a hundred water equivalent bulb in [TS]

  seventeen pictures right whereas my house which is ancient and [TS]

  described it as very few pictures so I need those pictures to be super duper [TS]

  bright so I will be willing to buy the you know the highest output both you can [TS]

  put in there and I would love it if they didn't actually consumed hundred-plus [TS]

  wats electricity producer you know and Jen you know transferring most of the [TS]

  heat and putting out a little bit like well also I i think one of the one of [TS]

  the reasons I mean first of all I think the technical reason for it is is [TS]

  substantial and that is I believe mostly heat-related because yes led to produce [TS]

  way less heat than incandescents but there are also a lot less tolerant of [TS]

  heat himself that he is concentrated in a small area you know I i've heard that [TS]

  said I don't think that's the problem I do the problems that led themselves are [TS]

  not are not that tolerant of operating in extremely high temperatures for a [TS]

  very long time but that's probably true to their word every bit like the Philips [TS]

  Bobo some rather flat won the Innovation on it is they spread things out so it [TS]

  dissipates heat better at the same amount of heat output but it spread out [TS]

  over its like instead and they don't have to put a big gun metal heat sink I [TS]

  like it it's kind of like be the air-cooled equivalent they spread [TS]

  everything out in a big fan shape on this flat plane apparently that helps [TS]

  cooling and its way cheaper to do that and it is doing it put a big expensive [TS]

  metal heaps income thing as of January 2014 it is I'm pretty sure it's now [TS]

  illegal to to sell manufacture hunter watt bulbs in the us- which is why [TS]

  there's all of a sudden a few a few more hundred-word equivalent LED something [TS]

  that is plenty of CFL so yeah but CFLs are so awful house doubled them and and [TS]

  they're awful right I not as sensitive to light color as you are apparently [TS]

  because they don't bother me nearly as much as I seem to bother you and the [TS]

  flickering or whatever this seems to bother people doesn't either I don't see [TS]

  it or doesn't bother me and they take less energy than incandescent so I [TS]

  replaced all my because they're so cheap like the cheap compared LEDs so I don't [TS]

  think we have any conditions like now is also a part of me wishes that I had more [TS]

  nice things there's a part of me that wants a fancy TV like john has your [TS]

  or has fancy light bulbs in the house but about 99% of me is so freaking happy [TS]

  that I don't care I'm so glad I don't care as you know what I do when I need a [TS]

  light bulb I go to Home Depot or Lowes now by whatever the first lightbulb I [TS]

  find that fits is it's so nice I don't worry about anything it's grade I think [TS]

  with this audience of me and John you're there isn't there's no chance of me and [TS]

  John caring less about things I don't notice the light quality difference as [TS]

  much but the stupid whatever is the balanced or whatever the thing that [TS]

  drives the CFLs some of them buzz that I cannot say it's not it's not like they [TS]

  buzz like every one of these models busy just getting lucky get a buzzing one and [TS]

  then you just got here to return it or get different my problem with CFLs was [TS]

  always that it was a lot like desktop Linux and Android where everyone always [TS]

  says own now they're good all those problems you've had before and CFLs now [TS]

  we fix them and then I go buy new ones and they're bad still like it [TS]

  know and you never know what you're buying one of the ones you buy are [TS]

  actually good or not and its [TS]

  CFLs I've I have spent so much money on so many CFLs in so many different [TS]

  apartments and houses over the last five years or ten years and almost all that I [TS]

  regret how is that how is that unlike LEDs in the same thing with those who [TS]

  keep saying their crappy except for like the one that you like but the next round [TS]

  comes in all the new ones are better than the one you liked most of the ones [TS]

  that that I've bought are still in full time using in my house and because most [TS]

  of the bottom actually really good trust me there's a there's a huge difference [TS]

  in in satisfaction between CFLs and LEDs CFLs CFLs were were mediocre when they [TS]

  were new and then as they were as they age their colors would shift and get [TS]

  even worse and take longer to warm to full brightness and it was a disaster [TS]

  and I try every time to go this year feels good so I go try that one and it [TS]

  wouldn't be and disaster plus all the mercury in the complexity it it's not [TS]

  it's not a good scene is excited is this what will tune in for its it's not it's [TS]

  not the Car Talk its this does the light bulb post on your blog we talk about the [TS]

  people of those books I get so much feedback on the way more than I expect [TS]

  I'd rather have you bothered by it would be good to me but when the day comes [TS]

  that I actually you'll tell me when I get down to the price bird makes sense [TS]

  for me to buy them and then look at your post on by whatever you say is good if [TS]

  if they had more than 61 yeah I would say if you if you for all the all the [TS]

  things in your house that use 40 or 60 Watts you can do that now you know how [TS]

  much how much are though so I tend to tend to $15 each [TS]

  the problem is probably about the last forever I have thought about that when [TS]

  the ones in the kitchen go back to be five years from now it will be a problem [TS]

  is like CFLs like they they age poorly they usually almost always the colors [TS]

  will shift the balance was bugging out or something they don't have them as you [TS]

  buy something or they're gonna last for you know five ten years I like they're [TS]

  claiming and and they might they might work for that long but you might not [TS]

  want them in that was going on that I did I frequently as the one in the room [TS]

  in which i think last like a year and a half on average you know I would like to [TS]

  say that I also enjoy reading the LED posts on your your site so this way I [TS]

  know what life album never gonna bother buying exactly it it's good to know as [TS]

  valuable information [TS]

  goodness anything else going on think that anything else besides suffer at all [TS]

  geez nobody wants to hear that apparently Marco my fault that news [TS]

  keeps happening we'll get there [TS]

  well I guess we're at a time [TS]