The Accidental Tech Podcast

37: A 3,000-Word Digression


  you you guys are failed I see something about transporter in the FU do we want [TS]

  to talk about that or do not care that's where the follow-up to this be as quick [TS]

  i three and we were talking about transport I may be used during an add-on [TS]

  up a show mentioning the lights and it was marco was then the lights blue LED [TS]

  lights are going on on devices this is be cool 8 well you can apparently turned [TS]

  lights off on transport so if you are one of those people who doesn't like [TS]

  lights on your electronics and you get a transporter roundly condemn in turn off [TS]

  the lights I don't think like that bad but then again mine is also in the [TS]

  basement so there you go [TS]

  speaking of retina man John that thing in your review here if you how you how [TS]

  you found that the default wallpaper is exactly two x the current 27 inch Cinema [TS]

  Display is resolution quite a coincidence that's that's painful man [TS]

  thats so painful cuz now you look like all the pieces are in place I was [TS]

  treated with all the pieces are in place to have a Retina Display except having [TS]

  display like the computers now supported Thunderbolt to his fast enough to GPUs [TS]

  are insanely fast all these new models and and there's clearly a [TS]

  differentiation here whereas you know assuming it would need to be able to the [TS]

  new MacBook Air still can't do it they don't happen double to right and that's [TS]

  that's right isn't it I think that the only computers apple has announced with [TS]

  honorable to are the new Retina MacBook Pro and Mac Pro so it will be [TS]

  interesting and it would certainly I i've decided now looking at looking at [TS]

  what's be released unless the benchmarks show some kind of massive gains an [TS]

  application I actually use on the new Mac Pros I think I'm going to wait and [TS]

  not buy a new Mac Pro until there is a right and desktop display because I am [TS]

  just not gonna see enough of the gain from you know just the CPU site alone [TS]

  just historic site alone like I already have a good CPU a good as nasty but what [TS]

  I really want is that display and until it existed I'm gonna hold off thats [TS]

  gonna be great clam chowder I'm looking forward to that [TS]

  resolve holtzman when I get mind about how awesome things like what like what [TS]

  you're really gonna get me and you know if I get it before then [TS]

  now it makes sense we're just a question your ability to act rationally I might [TS]

  not i mean that's that's certainly a valid question and you might be right [TS]

  and I you know this might be being played back at some point later and [TS]

  laughing at me but i just i think if you already have a 2010 Mac Pro there's not [TS]

  a major reason to upgrade for just the CPU performance want to see you know how [TS]

  how quickly applications take advantage of those GPUs that could really make a [TS]

  big difference I don't expect that most of the apps that I use will really do [TS]

  much with that but we'll see I could be wrong about that [TS]

  your Mac Pro might prove probably actually be better four games than the [TS]

  new expensive on then I'm going to buy because I could take out the video card [TS]

  that you have in and buy aftermarket card and you know he's gotta find CPU [TS]

  fast as day and then I would put in the fastest gaming card available that might [TS]

  have better gaming compromise the obscenely expensive Mac Pro but it [TS]

  wouldn't be black and cylinder shaped his one fan so you know and you see that [TS]

  read one that's in the charity auction for the for profit for product red it's [TS]

  kind of like a ride rather have a black one [TS]

  see i like it a lot might my reason for hesitating on bidding on an auction is [TS]

  that I don't know what the specs on the Mac Pro [TS]

  the thing starts at 140 grams and the reason you're not beating is because [TS]

  you're not clear what the insides are i think thats I think that it says [TS]

  estimated range 40 to 60 grand does that mean that the first bit has to be forty [TS]

  granted that mean that's what they expected to go for I've never been that [TS]

  serious about an auction of this capacity to eat the answer to that [TS]

  question I don't know either but if I could put in a bid for like three [TS]

  thousand bucks Debbie it's not it's not entirely crazy because items like this [TS]

  one of a kind of a blah would probably retain their resale value so even if you [TS]

  spent an obscene amount of money on this you could in theory get that money back [TS]

  even after the computer is obsolete simply selling it as [TS]

  a one of a kind Mac Pro blah blah blah officially sanctioned like an [TS]

  aftermarket modern something so it should remain as they like you know [TS]

  right up to the Mac Pro comes out is like color where or when the company is [TS]

  gonna start an energizing service that just let anybody use for like a thousand [TS]

  bucks probably but the big problem is they don't tell you the specs on the Mac [TS]

  Pro and so like if I'm if I would actually win this thing for a reasonable [TS]

  price I would at least wanna know you know what what CPU doesn't have to [TS]

  that's something you can't change right [TS]

  GPUs care less about but like doesn't have the base model CPU it so that's [TS]

  kind of crappy for that price but if it has the 12 core that's actually worse [TS]

  for single-threaded tasks than the eight core I wouldn't want that either I don't [TS]

  know this is all probably ridiculously move discussion because I don't think I [TS]

  can get a free $1,000 [TS]

  I do want to get this review we have any other if you do we know what about us [TS]

  703 and Johns motion sickness yeah this we should talk to us last week but I [TS]

  installed the Sun another update I knew it was going to bring in people don't [TS]

  know if the 703 update changes that so that if you go into the accessibility [TS]

  preferences and turn on reduced motion it doesn't just removed the parallax [TS]

  effect on the homescreen the parallax effect on public dialogue boxes it also [TS]

  removes the zooming animation when you launch applications and when you go back [TS]

  to springboard and everyplace is an animation with a crossfade and I always [TS]

  had a discussion on from the second I installed I was younger I can't stand [TS]

  the parallax the worst thing about the parents thing is my chosen lock screen [TS]

  image picture of my dog dog dog died but yeah that's my lock screen image because [TS]

  it's like a tiebreaker between like in my two kids MyLife everything would go [TS]

  with the dog when you have power locks on it has to assume the image to zoom in [TS]

  you know like so so we can do the parallax thing but there's not enough [TS]

  background as a very tight close-up of my dog's face is not enough background [TS]

  around it and when term power consumers damaged too much like shops offices on [TS]

  the side of the screen so that's no good so I can't have that I definitely don't [TS]

  and I don't like the parallax all I don't like the effect I don't like the [TS]

  little dialogue around one thing and so I got the same like I also tried just [TS]

  you know 703 up they'll get it and I knew it was going to reduce or eliminate [TS]

  the swimming thing with the crosshair my call me to make my thing feel faster [TS]

  right now the first thing is I'm not even sure that the duration of the [TS]

  animation is any shorter I haven't actually time did but the feeling was [TS]

  like they're still in animation is thought crossfade is it is it less time [TS]

  than the zoom animation maybe it's the same amount of time I don't know you [TS]

  know people keep asking me about that I think about it too I haven't tested it I [TS]

  really don't want to test it you know just somebody like somebody with two [TS]

  iPhone 5 vs point one of the other one take a video and and tested both ways [TS]

  I'm curious to know the answer but not so curious about actually do that yes [TS]

  but it does doesn't it does doesn't feelings and tease alright but the [TS]

  second thing is I found that I miss the zooming because the zooming for all of [TS]

  its you know slight motion sickness inducing feeling that I and by the way I [TS]

  had that you know very early on I just learned you learn where to look it was [TS]

  only because it's unexpected right now I knew I was gonna work that zooming [TS]

  animation was like the the thing that made I was 7 feel like I was seven to me [TS]

  and it was fun and it was interesting and it made me feel like I'm using I was [TS]

  like that's why that's why associated with experience that we're not [TS]

  consequence whenever and their dialogues and stuff and when it was gone I missed [TS]

  it and in its place I didn't get ok well I miss D animation but it's so much [TS]

  faster I got kind of boring maybe slightly faster but I can't even tell I [TS]

  don't like the crossfade and so now I wish there was a way to turn the zooming [TS]

  back on but keep the parallax off and this is like you know that this way lies [TS]

  madness where it's like ok well we had an option to reduce motion but now some [TS]

  people in this part of the motions ok this Parliament like this is kind of an [TS]

  unhappily kinda [TS]

  thing to do where you really something like this is our statements to Prague [TS]

  but then you have to put in some option to turn some stuff off because there are [TS]

  some legitimate issues with that and then you start tweaking that option and [TS]

  it's just like it would be better if you could come up with one interface that [TS]

  everybody likely to be has a problem with kind of like the original IOUs [TS]

  where there were these motion sickness problems that weren't options like turn [TS]

  off zooming or whatever the effects were when you go back and forth springboard [TS]

  they nailed it better with that whereas I was seven seems to have more rough [TS]

  edges and they like trying to figure out the balance of ok well have a switch to [TS]

  turn off and have this thing to adjust that I i'm not in favor of them adding a [TS]

  thousand options like a pic which parts of the motion you like I like the [TS]

  parallax but I don't like $9 bucks I just like the last thing I want to say [TS]

  it unlock screen or one that you can't do that right they have to just go with [TS]

  one thing so in the end the messing with my wallpaper in the stupid generally [TS]

  parallax annoys me more than I miss assuming but I really really do miss [TS]

  assuming in fact if I could pick myself I would say keep the zooming in like [TS]

  make it twice three times as fast and and that would make me happier on Monday [TS]

  twice going to reduce the duration and doesn't mean like to hire promise not to [TS]

  do that would it really make you happy [TS]

  you know happier so that's all that surprised me about 70 300 guys feel [TS]

  about it he did you upgrade 2703 and did you do you have reduced motion on animal [TS]

  I did have it on be in 70 to an earlier I had an unjust because I just didn't [TS]

  care about the parallax and there was a weird bug with the parallax we're like [TS]

  if you if you launch an app in a certain orientation and annually to the phone [TS]

  back of it closed the app goes back springboard for a split second it would [TS]

  show the old position of the parallax and then update the new ones he'd see [TS]

  like one wrong freemen jump to the next one that was just a stupid imitation bug [TS]

  eyed see that as well and I like I don't like seeing graphics and move I don't [TS]

  you know think should be moving like the dialog box assembly it's not it's not a [TS]

  convincing the 3d effect is not convincing because the background for [TS]

  round like this no actual parallax is trying to fake it with you know shifting [TS]

  the background but to me it just click the Shipping with that because that is [TS]

  what they're doing like it looks flat to me you know in the videos they show [TS]

  looking like the icons are flooding but the screen but the illusion is not [TS]

  maintained for me so all is basically making graphics like 110 the Raynham [TS]

  from the pixel grid right thing they should be pinned down for no great [TS]

  effect vs the zooming animation which i think really does provide kind of like a [TS]

  sense of space where you are and sort of you know going with the different layers [TS]

  it's not more so than any other living things I think the zooming in and out [TS]

  from applications totally works to provide you with a three-dimensional [TS]

  sense of space of where things are on the phone and I miss it when I have [TS]

  intentionally not upgraded my iPad because of that it's my last class [TS]

  bashing consuming I did see somebody who was with 73 and the crossfade enabled [TS]

  and the very first time I saw that person would return to the home screen [TS]

  from a nap I thought oh god that's terrible and I completely agree with you [TS]

  that that zoom does give you a sense of place and I think it's kind of important [TS]

  to the whole layered approach to Iowa 17 I should say we had some real time polyp [TS]

  from a very reliable source that says the speed the animation speed duration [TS]

  as you're saying is no different for the crossfader name no different 703 was fun [TS]

  I did hear from a few people that that it is different on the iPhone 4 and for [TS]

  us that because the devices are some a lot of people who have had those devices [TS]

  told me on Twitter when I asked if it was faster that it's faster on those but [TS]

  I i cant really get that sounds like maybe a coincidence or maybe maybe [TS]

  placebo and I don't know I mean I i'm john i I had just to avoid the parallax [TS]

  which i think will go down as iOS Evans pinstripes and as soon as the crossfade [TS]

  became a thing I turned back on because I can't stand the crossfade there so bad [TS]

  like these are two very extreme positions it's as if on Mac OS 10 as if [TS]

  you minimize the window like every time you minimized or hit an application it [TS]

  would do the big slow cheney effect it's like it's like that that was the only [TS]

  option either that or [TS]

  no animations at all and you know it's the reality is the best thing or [TS]

  something in a little here and it's going to take apple you know maybe a [TS]

  release or two before they can to tone down the new cool thing that I learned [TS]

  to do and I should say John that even though I do quite like I should say [TS]

  quite like the parallax but I don't mind the parallax except that I my lock [TS]

  screen image because i dont have children [TS]

  aaron is my wife and I took that photo was actually very first photo I took my [TS]

  3ds and does it is way too small to be parallax five or whatever you wanna call [TS]

  it a nice always constantly see like a black bar at the top of the screen [TS]

  drives me up a wall you can't can't have that you getting rid of that it's [TS]

  terrible it is terrible and I haven't had a chance to find a picture that [TS]

  works better as a lock screen image but that does drive me bonkers [TS]

  you know she lives with you i i know i know about the picture I'm so close to [TS]

  doing like you know Content Aware Fill to extend the background of this picture [TS]

  of my dogs like I get to have Photoshop I've I can make it happen here right [TS]

  because I tried recreating it several different ways and realize just how you [TS]

  can stretch it out this is not enough background and I use a black background [TS]

  in springboard so there's no parallel in springboard but the dialog boxes all [TS]

  have it I thought about to shift a couple pixels if I move my hand they [TS]

  still was the dog photo taken any location you can get back to a rental [TS]

  house in Southampton from many years ago [TS]

  take a picture of it but his little head down on the great wood deck [TS]

  Content Aware Fill could have a shot on stretching out I might try that but I'll [TS]

  say anything else on 703 was there anything else about seventy-three just [TS]

  across states as well make sure they're pretty bad so speaking of Hampton's [TS]

  that's long island is that ok make sure there's a point to that question what is [TS]

  the significance of levittown to you [TS]

  particularly [TS]

  my parents grabbed both of them ok because I'm handy alright don't have the [TS]

  page number don't think I'm looking through my notes but I noticed any map [TS]

  screenshot you had levittown and you had something else and the other thing was [TS]

  and I was wondering cuz I feel like all these screenshots have like little [TS]

  tidbits and windows into the life of John Siracusa and so was that address [TS]

  the address where either mom or dad grew up for both of them you know that was [TS]

  the address of my mother's parents they don't live there anymore so none of the [TS]

  information and their views viewers will do it in fact when my grandparents moved [TS]

  out of that house a developer bought it and within weeks just totally ripped to [TS]

  shreds and made a new house out of it because that house it was an original 11 [TS]

  house you can look at the history of levittown you want to be read david [TS]

  halberstam's the fifties but just a nice book for learning about the stuff very [TS]

  light not not like the power broker anyway it was an original was an [TS]

  original level house that my grandfather extended but for the most part you know [TS]

  that my grandparents lived in a whole lives and hadn't changed like it look [TS]

  like a grandmother's house in a grandfather sounds like they had changed [TS]

  their but they changed it when they had kids right and so I guess it's just you [TS]

  know unassailable so when they moved out in the house was sold you can't sell [TS]

  somebody i guess i grandmother's house around father's house and they just said [TS]

  so im glad my brother and I took a billion pictures of the inside and [TS]

  outside of it before that happened so yeah if you were to go to that address [TS]

  America you what you would see the house that looks absolutely nothing like like [TS]

  the house my mother what's macarthur Lane in Smith something at the house [TS]

  that I grew up in for the most part I mean there was a couple i'm linden tree [TS]

  house that was born a month and spent many years in another house and then [TS]

  moved out and that's where I was in class when everything and again we sold [TS]

  that house the house while ago [TS]

  I haven't lived there for many years to people who bought the house cut down all [TS]

  the trees in the yard which is terrible and I think actually against the law but [TS]

  apparently they were not prosecuted and so now the houses and all the trees are [TS]

  cut down and I had no idea whether due to the inside but I'm sure that's gross [TS]

  do now is there enough information in this review to steal your identity or [TS]

  four get a credit card and your name or or maybe get an apple I D Password Reset [TS]

  I don't think so I was like I said these things no one related to me is lived in [TS]

  for many many many years and they don't look anything like they did when I lived [TS]

  there so it's useless to you there were other couple other tidbits review like I [TS]

  am that you would presumably sent yourself and Tina send to you which I [TS]

  wanted to ask about the contents of that I am which I have written down here [TS]

  somewhere I'm assuming it's some Booker popular media reference I didn't get [TS]

  where was that so something about ice man wanna know that was something over a [TS]

  racoon being released safely or something along those lines [TS]

  what happens when people don't read their entire time lines I was that some [TS]

  my actual life that's why I read every one of your tweets John I have no [TS]

  recollection of this remember right to it when I found the records sleeping in [TS]

  the bottom my garbage can [TS]

  no but I heard someone else told that exact same story just today actually at [TS]

  work which is kind of funny you know the bottom of our garbage Kansas like I look [TS]

  like a young raccoon had gone in there and just couldn't get out and of course [TS]

  they're not turn also went to sleep so we're going to put the garbage in [TS]

  garbage can and you know you put in the bag and sleeping down there so I had to [TS]

  take the raccoon in the garbage can to the woods wake him up and release them [TS]

  into the woods that's very kind of you do get dumped into the garbage truck if [TS]

  you're terrible human being that's terrible I might have done that I really [TS]

  don't like raccoons I used to love them when I was a kid now I realize they're [TS]

  just disease felt disgusting animals but don't email me the other day and some [TS]

  last thing that I Spy that I spied on your screen shots was [TS]

  iceman wants to use your passwords which is what I'm stumbling over a moment ago [TS]

  is that supposed to be some other reference that I didn't catch or is that [TS]

  just you trying to be funny [TS]

  Marco save save Casey here and redeem yourself [TS]

  iceman on page 5 the iCloud teaching page approximately halfway down the page [TS]

  here there's no way to get this was my first thought was hungry and I'm [TS]

  grabbing from the chat my first thought was top gun but I I that's not right [TS]

  right its highest man not iceman there's only one i smoke that's a that's why I [TS]

  didn't think that was the kiddies so what is what is it and why even [TS]

  understand what it is this is a reference to you well okay so make me [TS]

  feel stupid [TS]

  the best one I have is in the air play menu option you can see that that's the [TS]

  name of the volume is it hard drive number right corner of the screen and [TS]

  the OS Casey Mavericks so I get it it's a plural of ice man I get it that [TS]

  actually is kinda funny now that's a big if you make a top top gun joke in there [TS]

  too obvious and I also made it talk and explicit Top Gun joke two releases ago [TS]

  you know so i cant can go there again but yeah it's Mavericks and the [TS]

  character in movies maverick and there's more than one of them so what if you had [TS]

  nice man you know more than one of them like you don't want to be on the nose [TS]

  you love something for people's brains to be tickled or just confusing fairly I [TS]

  was like six feet behind the news and around the corner [TS]

  a lot of people got let me tell you guys want to make you feel bad [TS]

  a lot of the this is like a V most obvious thing people right in you know [TS]

  pay like the whatever about your view this is the one that was most recognized [TS]

  by people review sheet he says this is a fun game with San Marco and Casey [TS]

  tortuous Lee tried to decipher John's references [TS]

  that's the last I had everyone's I'll stop putting us through this pain will [TS]

  this week is sponsored in part by a wonderful return sponsor who would [TS]

  actually get all these inside jokes which I didn't get casey you barely got [TS]

  I don't even know john gets its igloo igloo is an internet you'll actually [TS]

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  internets are terrible I know you guys do you both have experience with [TS]

  SharePoint in OKC does know everyone has to use SharePoint is not good as anybody [TS]

  I've never heard a single good thing about SharePoint have you liked it is [TS]

  there a good thing to say about it other than leaked microsoft something there is [TS]

  but i dont wanna go there can be used well it just never ever ever is in fact [TS]

  last project I did with SharePoint was an instance of it being used well but [TS]

  that's the only 1 I've ever ever ever see that's saying a lot because it's [TS]

  it's pretty widely used and it's almost always hated by everyone who uses it so [TS]

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  everything on an igloo is social you can comment on any type of content you can [TS]

  add mention your co-workers you can follow any content for updates and you [TS]

  can use tags to group things around the way you work you can add on also sub [TS]

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  whole thing is drag-n-drop if it is responsive design and use beautiful [TS]

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  most internets are designed 15 years earlier by a programmer and shows and [TS]

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  now market you have did you do your homework let's start there you did read [TS]

  the review I did I'm very proud of you this might be the first time that you've [TS]

  ever done your homework see he's definitely do you have do would you like [TS]

  to start with any questions i have I have a handful questions that are kind [TS]

  of all spastic all over the place but if you had any you would like to ask would [TS]

  give me start there I actually don't and here's why and I mean this is a [TS]

  compliment the review when I got done with it it was like I had just finished [TS]

  a big meal and like all right i'm satisfied like I like if if you ate a [TS]

  big meal at a restaurant it was pretty good and she comes over after isn't like [TS]

  do you have any questions about what you guys date actually no no I don't I'm [TS]

  quite happy with this review it was really good I liked reading it and i'm [TS]

  satisfied you know I actually feel mostly the same way and I feverishly [TS]

  reread the review this afternoon and this evening right before we recorded in [TS]

  part so I could generate some questions and and maybe in one or two instances [TS]

  fabricate some questions because the first time I read it I i felt the same [TS]

  way I was like I'm good everything was excellent just as I expected and I will [TS]

  be sure to Twitter [TS]

  ended up really well so John any observations before I started doodling [TS]

  you with random questions are normally mean that I will as as needed [TS]

  that's kind of needling whatever noodling sounds funnier we were talking [TS]

  about foods and I got through the mental image of needling is definitely funnier [TS]

  like something a limp noodles were good gentlemen let me start with a really [TS]

  simple question actually which is less about the review of more about Mavericks [TS]

  to either of you guys find yourself using finder taps where you've installed [TS]

  Mavericks [TS]

  morning at work to your crazy no it's fine by me I think the only reason I [TS]

  don't do it at home is a stupid that I'm forced to use that is not yet compatible [TS]

  Mavericks I was going to actually install today but I want to wait after [TS]

  the show was recorded just just in case something amazingly smooth in stock [TS]

  normally have to fight with all my installed stop I don't have to touch [TS]

  anything and user locals far as I can tell it all worked the only wow I had [TS]

  was that my like Subversion repositories a pumped up version of the 1.7 inside [TS]

  upgrade those bets 11 commanded it tells you when it finds out there upgraded so [TS]

  far that's it I'm surprised actually my laptop and I i was doing some work on my [TS]

  laptop earlier today for a while and then it was perfectly fine I had [TS]

  homebrew and cocoa pods doing stuff and PHP on the command line doing stuff and [TS]

  it all works just fine we talk about this but you've embraced Coco Pops now I [TS]

  have yet when I want open source obscene model whenever that was like a month we [TS]

  have two months ago whenever that was a bunch of people requested it in part [TS]

  form and so I decided to install and start learning how to use cocoa pods and [TS]

  yeah turns out it's good to know you know what I wrote an iPad app early this [TS]

  year at work in and we had another guy come in and help us out and he told me [TS]

  oh you you have to use cocoa pods its best thing ever and [TS]

  approve and as it turns out he really is that good thing as programmers always [TS]

  like every week there's a new tool that programmers are telling other programs [TS]

  are you gotta use this is so great and they usually fizzle out and die because [TS]

  they aren't that useful or necessary or mature and cocoa pods I wouldn't [TS]

  necessarily call mature but it's close enough it works very well and it serves [TS]

  a very good purpose that nothing else really serves us well if at all so it [TS]

  works fine for me it is pretty poorly documented and for awhile txt workspaces [TS]

  it would generate we're not that great and had different meanings and stuff but [TS]

  if you update to the newest cocoa pods which there is no update command you [TS]

  just run the gem install thing again then that fixes those things so i'm i'm [TS]

  happy with it now [TS]

  there was definitely a learning curve to get getting it installed and setup [TS]

  properly but their site is is OK telling you how to do that and once you get it [TS]

  setup it's pretty awesome so we got we got sidetracked so Marco you with [TS]

  whatever you barely used Mavericks John are you using find her hips and I mean I [TS]

  don't use the browser mode find they're very rarely use it occasionally use it [TS]

  when I'm like I'm gonna literally browsing like I'm trying to find [TS]

  something and some Samba share somewhere and I just make one new browser window [TS]

  used and discarded all my other windows don't have the sidebar I i mean [TS]

  occasionally when I do browsing type activities [TS]

  maybe it will come up in like for the most part I don't do browsing type [TS]

  activities I have like 25 windows that have my stuff in the open usually in [TS]

  listview and with little the little photos turned down that I access [TS]

  frequently and that's it I don't spend a lot of time you know browsing the [TS]

  passage of the browser and its most of it is because if I do anything with the [TS]

  browser I am potentially screwing up what little special state that the [TS]

  Finder danes to actually remember for me and I don't want to take that risk you [TS]

  know and it doesn't matter you know if avoiding it [TS]

  makes an ass out together and screwing up all my state information is still [TS]

  just forgets every you know there are three days like out my applications [TS]

  windows should never be casually I opened up like a look around and there [TS]

  are you know maybe to drag something in her to give up something before you saw [TS]

  a new version you know and i have you know it's it's that's one of the few [TS]

  when does it have you buy icon was pretty big icons they're nice looking [TS]

  and I have that all arranged by name and at least once a month it will forget [TS]

  entirely about that and will be used differently you will have a sidebar when [TS]

  it shouldn't it'll be in the wrong position on the screen look at the wrong [TS]

  size now have to come and Jay and I will see the launch checkbox that says we [TS]

  show an icon moat is checked even though it has totally changed my view options [TS]

  and I'll send it back to the right thing and it may be too bad install our [TS]

  overriding the de estar file whatever you know it's just it has no respect for [TS]

  the work I put into it so I tried to avoid that I try to avoid the finders [TS]

  much as possible just what's the point like this is a section of the Rio that I [TS]

  didn't write that I started writing and I said you know what stop stop writing [TS]

  this is right about this forever I was gonna run in the final section you know [TS]

  go on a big digression about that but this whole topic trying to give an [TS]

  analogy to people who you know people don't understand this whole thing and I [TS]

  think it's stupid but it's not and I put in at 10 cents to that effect in their [TS]

  view that's all the remains of the what could have been a you know three [TS]

  thousand-word digression that everyone would have been pissed about how would [TS]

  you feel if once a month you picked up your phone and all the icons of spring [TS]

  water all over the place like would you go back and rearrangement of the way you [TS]

  want them again after that happens three times two times maybe I'm just once when [TS]

  you just give up and go well forget it I guess who search for everything or I'll [TS]

  just try to have them sort alphabetically and hope they stay that [TS]

  way [TS]

  like that and then you just accept that and if someone said no no the last [TS]

  spring why can't they should remember where they are seeking arrangement who's [TS]

  going to our range on the icon so stupid as to many applications anyway you know [TS]

  no one is going to arrange all their stuff like that just accept that you [TS]

  search for their alphabetical [TS]

  and that's the state of the Finder that you know it doesn't respect any work you [TS]

  do to to get things arranged the way you want them to have this window off to the [TS]

  left in this view and the size and the scroll position and the selection [TS]

  statement and that went over there to do this like no one's gonna do that because [TS]

  you know they work you put in it may help you for the session are here but [TS]

  tomorrow or next week or whatever it'll be changed and you open a window and [TS]

  will be in the wrong spot and I have a sidebar no more respect here you know [TS]

  you options you pick to the sort of the UK or whatever and some people give up [TS]

  and just like I guess I can't do that and i hear all the same arguments like [TS]

  well I just too many files that works and what doesn't work when you have that [TS]

  it's not like saying we'll have to any applications even people with a [TS]

  bazillion applications with screens all folders and we've all seen those people [TS]

  are used to hit the 11 page limit on springboard even those people [TS]

  screen one of the very least or even like a range screen one and then after [TS]

  that it's just you know folder Landon just a big mess right but even they will [TS]

  arrange to bring one and even if you don't arrange screen 10 it's all just a [TS]

  route see if all this I was your search even those people I feel like would [TS]

  carefully picked for items that are in their little doc fix thing over and over [TS]

  like there's always something in your life that benefits from you putting the [TS]

  way you want it known where everything is using special recognition of what [TS]

  size is it what color is it what position is it on the screen when I put [TS]

  it there stays there are no where it is I can orient myself to it and those of [TS]

  the few common things you doing and how many files we getting around how many [TS]

  applications getting around how big hard drives get this always going to be some [TS]

  working side of things that you would benefit from if you could arrange them [TS]

  just so and have them where you want them and that I continued to rail [TS]

  against then I wish people at Apple understood that could someone does [TS]

  because springboard its relentlessly spatial in terms of arranging things and [TS]

  if you've ever had this happen and I have with iOS but we're springboard does [TS]

  go nuts and everything gets all scrambled it is crazy making everybody [TS]

  hates that that's how I feel about the finer half the time when using him to [TS]

  find a house 10 so not really intends to use all that for no not really I don't [TS]

  use finder test John this is why we love you and it's not because I don't like 10 [TS]

  mile of tests using a browser craziest because I know if I mess with any of [TS]

  their browser stuff [TS]

  going to be screened my own tiny little toe hold that I have on the spatial [TS]

  state and that's not it's not because they had two brothers to have separate [TS]

  browser windows in browser windows I would use the browser way more than I [TS]

  would love to attach their you think it's it's a little bit lesser priority [TS]

  of making that stuff that reliable on on Mac rather than a mile west because you [TS]

  and I Wes this spring board is is the only way to launch apps and is by far [TS]

  the most common way for our users and programmers who work on iOS to launch [TS]

  their apps springboard as a spotlight exists but you know it's certainly a [TS]

  little bit clumsy to use over the just trying to find a patient having an icon [TS]

  whereas in the Mac I i suspect that most programmers who work on OS 10 and most [TS]

  power users who would be most irritated by this kind of stuff probably don't [TS]

  open Finder windows very frequently to navigate to their applications or files [TS]

  they probably are using things like water parks over or at least spotlight [TS]

  to do you know quick keyboard based launching and finding of things but much [TS]

  more often do you think maybe just like not much of a pain point I mean it's not [TS]

  like the the design of the restaurant finder precludes them doing this it's [TS]

  not like it's like they just took the box it will be fine its just designed [TS]

  not to work that way because there's it's not clear when you're rearranging [TS]

  something if what you rearrange what what effect with your rear engine has [TS]

  because if you have a browser window and you browse through stuff and you make [TS]

  changes as you go are you what are you making changes to like it's the [TS]

  difference of chain window as a device that you peer through to see the [TS]

  contents of your file system and window as the spatial manifestation of a [TS]

  particular director John Diskin you can't combine those like it once you can [TS]

  change a window from one to the other [TS]

  what happens when you transform suddenly the spatial state of the window [TS]

  something apply itself to the folder in your Transformer to get rid of the [TS]

  sidebar and reverse like this no sensible way to do it so there's nothing [TS]

  they can do short of actually separating those two views and the non [TS]

  user-friendliness of the Finder is tied to the nine user friendly as the file [TS]

  system so that this also doesn't solve that [TS]

  problem like the fact is a bazillion files in there all over the place and [TS]

  people don't know what to do with them like this the reason I S a successful [TS]

  busy getting rid of that it's like you know people can't handle faucets they [TS]

  can handle open save dialog boxes they just simply cannot handle it so we need [TS]

  to get that away from them and springboard is great you know a great [TS]

  solution to that problem especially in the context of Pendle devices [TS]

  maybe it doesn't apply entirely to the back of the Dead launch pad and [TS]

  everything like that but the problems the problems of the file system are not [TS]

  going to go away he suddenly you know make the Finder space on our because [TS]

  designed especially for years and people still couldn't handle it but you know [TS]

  the average person but the few people could it really did let you measure [TS]

  stuff in a nicer manner and we've got many more interesting advanced [TS]

  technologies in that spot like Quicksilver all that good stuff plus [TS]

  tons of really good and application management stuff like the sidebars and [TS]

  the very end the source listen to various applications to give you a view [TS]

  of your stuff without giving mood at showing you a view of your desk that's [TS]

  all good stuff comes up but the Finder is is not what it could be [TS]

  and I don't think it's because of that is not a priority is just that but I [TS]

  guess it is not a priority because they like well it doesn't work that well and [TS]

  we don't have a real strong philosophy farmer trying to satisfy everybody in an [TS]

  upset as I know it really in the grand scheme of things the Finder is way less [TS]

  important that used to be in that is true so you know that taps why not [TS]

  well the funny thing is the reason I brought this up two hours ago was [TS]

  because I was just i was just wondering after having reread your view [TS]

  why it was I was still opening like two or three Finder windows in order to drag [TS]

  things between folders directories whatever when I've completely forgotten [TS]

  that tabs were even a thing in Mavericks you want to see the source and the [TS]

  destination of the same time [TS]

  yeah that's a very fair point but to be honest I would probably do just as well [TS]

  by getting one tab with the source the other tablets destination that would be [TS]

  sufficient and that's why I actually really like this is a completely on [TS]

  sponsored plug I really like the app drag-n-drop which is like the animal [TS]

  Dragon drop but its upon for drag-and-drop [TS]

  yeah exactly did you know there's a really funny joke in his review about [TS]

  iceman anyway the point is this little app you jiggle your mouse and a little [TS]

  like a tooltip sort of context I'm told it's a little bit but it's a little [TS]

  things little window that pops up and you can drop something that you had in [TS]

  your that you're dragging on to this little window that is on top of all [TS]

  other windows and then you can go about your business do whatever you need to do [TS]

  and then dragged away from the drag-and-drop window onto whatever you [TS]

  want to put it on to the use case being 100 window you find the file you want [TS]

  you pick it up in your mouth you drop it on the drag-and-drop window go to that [TS]

  same original Finder window and Rhian go to wherever you want this file to be and [TS]

  then bring the file from the drag-and-drop window back into that [TS]

  original Finder window which is now planning to the new destination that was [TS]

  a terrible way of describing it but the point I'm driving out is there other [TS]

  options other than just tabs that I used constantly but yet just today I found [TS]

  myself somehow deciding to open two or three Finder windows to do this when I [TS]

  really should have just embraced finder tips that drag and drop things the shelf [TS]

  from next step so everything old is new again you know that having that [TS]

  intermediary placed [TS]

  to keep things you know it's a reasonable idea but a certain point you [TS]

  can't have like every [TS]

  they did it because they want their trying to simplify the interfaces know [TS]

  the next doc was you know more complicated than the original Apple dock [TS]

  and the shelf goes away but the others lots of replacement type things to say [TS]

  you know till I just split up in operation into two pieces here I think I [TS]

  found here and you know it makes sense when I know a lot of people who would [TS]

  always have the way they use the OS 10 finer is the only way to her house to [TS]

  browser windows one on top or on bottom line in left to right and they were just [TS]

  arrange them every time those windows rearrange themselves or resize [TS]

  themselves anyway and they use it kinda like transmit the panic FTP app the left [TS]

  side would be sourcing the right side of the destination that's how they move [TS]

  files they were navigate with the browser thing in one place navigate but [TS]

  the other thing and then move the files crosswise like that and that's one way [TS]

  to operate albeit insufficient because that's what they really wanted was [TS]

  basically transmitted with a big arrow in between and so they can navigate [TS]

  navigate narrow one direction or the other than two hours but yeah so [TS]

  anything else on finders ok let's see what else 2010 I wanted to make an [TS]

  observation perhaps more than than have a question which is there were a couple [TS]

  of spots were you through in these just extremely passionate like one-liners and [TS]

  the you made mention of one earlier which was my guess was about finder [TS]

  where you said some people don't care about this distinction between browser [TS]

  and whatever the other kind of underwear do is think it's academic and and well [TS]

  alright and what they think its academic an important next sentence they are [TS]

  wrong and there was another instance what was it about I wrote down internal [TS]

  vigilance I was notification center about how whether whether you want your [TS]

  people around you to be able to see who's I am in your who's tweeting out [TS]

  your whatever the case may be and so you could choose to have in the case of [TS]

  emails [TS]

  I am you could have kind of the details hidden on notification center but that [TS]

  may not that is less useful if you're the only one looking at the computer and [TS]

  so she made this like one off about how you up to the other penalty for this is [TS]

  yet to be eternally vigilant as to who is within I shot of your machine and I i [TS]

  dont again I don't think there's much more question here but I just love those [TS]

  little one-liners where it was completely clear exactly what you felt [TS]

  and if any of us disagree we are just completely wrong and that's the end of [TS]

  the Damned the academic thing is like this part of a broader point where [TS]

  people fall into the trap where if if they don't understand ur can see the [TS]

  benefit of something therefore there is no benefit and in anything where you're [TS]

  you know someone is the creator in some ways of consuming it [TS]

  assumption is that the creator has more knowledge about the domain like you're [TS]

  not you don't have to understand what makes a good song to appreciate a good [TS]

  song right but you also can't say if someone describes like some musical [TS]

  concept to me like I don't understand that's not important to hit songs you [TS]

  don't know what makes a good song about your job you don't have to know what [TS]

  makes a good song all you have to know is how to enjoy some guy like the song [TS]

  or not like it and you leave it to the people creating it to figure out what is [TS]

  it that makes a good song all that music theory stuff like you may not understand [TS]

  music theory all you may not understand anything about music works but someone [TS]

  has to end it like it's their job to understand us all as academic stuff you [TS]

  don't have to understand it didn't have to even by the that it works [TS]

  tons of things that people love about our products have a foundation in [TS]

  complicated things that you should understand that the user sure as heck [TS]

  feel the result of it and that's what I hate the arguing about like you know [TS]

  this this facial I can try to explain the concepts behind things that make for [TS]

  you know usable pleasing efficient user interfaces and the people's eyes glaze [TS]

  over and they said well that is obviously not and cannot an important [TS]

  part of user experience it's not you know just because you understand that [TS]

  part of it and things they shouldn't have to understand it's like my goal I'm [TS]

  kind of talking to a pillow is with these things like as I want to tell [TS]

  people about you know the philosophy underlying these things [TS]

  I think would be a good idea or whatever but it shouldn't be their job to [TS]

  understand it is not I don't i dont nothing hinges on convincing themselves [TS]

  at this point I'm not like I'm done trying to convince the end users that [TS]

  this would make a good interface and your best bet at this try to convince [TS]

  someone who has the power to make an interesting thing is a lot of a lot of [TS]

  software developers have read what I've talked about on this topic and tried to [TS]

  incorporate some of those things into their designs with very little success I [TS]

  my dad and I would say Apple itself is one of the few companies that has [TS]

  incorporated in springboard and the whole iowa's user interface is the [TS]

  comfort and the stability and you know the the sort of approachable is that [TS]

  people fear 0 with that little grid of icons that you can move around from one [TS]

  screen together that is like the ultimate victory of all of these [TS]

  concepts that everyone thought were stupid and their eyes that got a one off [TS]

  because like I said that is the big honkin section their view that every [TS]

  time our interview I stop myself from running more or less [TS]

  covered it but it's still totally there and I wasn't interested in engaging on [TS]

  it and the other one the eternal vigilance thing like that's that's again [TS]

  even more true violence because you know what it's like and I was like you know [TS]

  people who are cast how often do we go into preferences and like go on patrol [TS]

  notifications thing and location settings you don't even like her alot [TS]

  notification you're you're you're allowed to have banners you're allowed [TS]

  to make sounds you're not allowed [TS]

  you still an application you go in there I just think you're not allowed push [TS]

  notifications like all these things are great but if you wanna have a nice [TS]

  experience and not just feeling overwhelmed by beating things popping in [TS]

  your face the prices you have to spend some time in like in the notification [TS]

  mines throwing the toggle switches last year right and just deciding what you [TS]

  want and exactly the same thing Notification Center which I love it also [TS]

  means that if I don't pay attention and I saw five new applications they'll be [TS]

  throwing stuff up and they'll be flying by Notification Center sidebar and [TS]

  they'll be doing stuff and I got to go in there and say oh yeah no not you know [TS]

  banners no sounds notice you know all that stuff and if you don't do that you [TS]

  will eventually be overwhelmed you like Iowa sucks everything goes beyond my [TS]

  face like well they give all the application developers these things and [TS]

  they give the users control in a way that Apple usually doesn't [TS]

  like Apple usually isn't in the business of giving you a gigantic wall toggle [TS]

  switches but in the case notifications they do and I think it's probably the [TS]

  only way you can do it because only the user can decide what's important enough [TS]

  to them to you know deep in their face and how annoying as a dialog box versus [TS]

  the sound vs Banner vs something appearing in a sidebar [TS]

  the point of that one yeah and I really do love them in in in I think part of [TS]

  the reason I enjoy them so much is because I tend to waffle I don't know [TS]

  what's ahead on a fitting one happens to have noticed this and I love when you [TS]

  just come out and it's just that's the way it is like it or not and and I just [TS]

  really enjoy it [TS]

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  I think I may have written you know a couple pages of Pasco back when you [TS]

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  show that's actually a somewhat pression segue into what I was going to ask next [TS]

  which is a lot of the review John I would say is relatively high level and [TS]

  approachable for just about anyone even non developers and then the next thing I [TS]

  know I'm looking at hex dumps file extended file attributes whatever [TS]

  they're called and my question to you is at what point do you decide you're going [TS]

  to deep into the nerdery and pull yourself back out is there any sort of [TS]

  decision making process of decision tree or is it just you doin not to get your [TS]

  point across and that's that [TS]

  also there so many things in the new release that I could write about this is [TS]

  the internal struggle with any news reviews and this is why I can't seem to [TS]

  resist the description of a comprehensive [TS]

  gonna be like there are so many topics and I go into it topics that I'm [TS]

  interested do and I i mean in dev tools alone I could spend a million years just [TS]

  on Xcode and clanging LLVM and like all the things they do the language every [TS]

  year and some years I have done that I did that when the DGC did and you know [TS]

  like but then I didn't do it when they were you know doing properties in dot [TS]

  syntax right so there's just too much to cover right and I have to decide you [TS]

  know which one of these things is really makes a difference in someone's ass next [TS]

  up indoors you really really has nothing to do with the OS but i think is [TS]

  important for the platform like it's this is more of a state of the platform [TS]

  type of you and using the release of us as a as a point to talk about it but [TS]

  even within the OSI does that leave stuff out right and I try to pick some [TS]

  features that I think are either important or you know could be important [TS]

  to use his or highlight something about Apple's design philosophy or you know [TS]

  and so lot of things get dropped on the cutting room floor and but tags you know [TS]

  tax fits all the criteria to feature that without it you know all the time [TS]

  it's it's a feature that builds on technologies that they added over many [TS]

  many years that I've been following closely so it doesn't like this you know [TS]

  breadcrumb trail of like how do we get where we are today you going back to you [TS]

  know the metadata stuff and found them extensions and then finally getting [TS]

  extended attributes and then spotlight leveraging that and then like now [TS]

  finally we're at a point where we can you take this done so many third-party [TS]

  applications that leverage its exact same infrastructure should do similar [TS]

  things with with the tags and now it's a built-in feature of the US and the [TS]

  reason I went deep on it is because you know I'm I talk I'm talking about the [TS]

  implementation and i dont have to explain the implantation first [TS]

  principles because if you've been following along you know and i could [TS]

  link back to you know member we talked about extended attributes member we [TS]

  talked about spotlight like you know it builds on its like any kind of you know [TS]

  school chorus with you to build on the information you learn the previous [TS]

  semester to learn new things you don't have to go back over it again and in [TS]

  particular when it comes to tags like this you know it's scary to see like [TS]

  that but I explained it to a level that I thought [TS]

  anybody reading could understand like you know I had to like you know [TS]

  explained exactly like okay with this number in taxes this and therefore that [TS]

  number involved and it has a you know understanding the history of tags and [TS]

  the particular mutation explains why it works the way it does why are there only [TS]

  seven colors why can have repeat colors but the different names like all and all [TS]

  these weird behaviour it if you're just testing like it works in strange ways [TS]

  sometimes the name of this machine will be here the color was different but that [TS]

  the tag name was the same when I did a search and you know all these things [TS]

  that would be inexplicable once you understand the implementation that's not [TS]

  bad complicated 10 now I know why they only have seven colors and now I know [TS]

  you know the names changed and now I know why it's sort of backward [TS]

  compatible labels cause I know how labels marks and I understand why you [TS]

  know they can't have all the labels labels only have this one but field and [TS]

  so has to pick and they chose to pick up the last time the applied against Texas [TS]

  you're up here and why are they in a big x&o blog because they do property listed [TS]

  as a big thing in Pakistan and put into one big blocks a spot like an index that [TS]

  is a symbol you know like it all comes together like that the details of the [TS]

  implementation help you understand why the features work the way it does and I [TS]

  tried to get into like the tradeoffs of like what they had done this way there [TS]

  would be more pure than they were under strong back while they did it this way [TS]

  what happens if you change the name tag and you got ten thousand files and [TS]

  you're just like that will you see a progress dialog kind of gross and you [TS]

  could have different types with different names in different machines [TS]

  and if that discuss an online change the name when you bring it back online [TS]

  things are going to match and you know it in some senses revealing the [TS]

  implantation but I think I think it explains how to feature works better [TS]

  than trying to like true stable it out and saying when you click here and do [TS]

  this and do that this happened like you know because I think tags do have enough [TS]

  we are dedicated people to start clicking around they wouldn't understand [TS]

  why they work the way you and this is the type of section that are going to be [TS]

  linking people back to for years to come [TS]

  and already is getting in a people like texted the strange thing I don't [TS]

  understand why just linked to the section like 1230 ok well now I know [TS]

  what happened when I did that and I completely understand why it behaved in [TS]

  this particular way and you feel like going all the way down to hex is is a [TS]

  reasonable amount of depth [TS]

  for a normal human being to understand I walk through a step at a time like [TS]

  here's the contents of the thing and here's what it looks like and you know [TS]

  and linking back and if you don't know what a property list is linked to the [TS]

  documentation this property no property list server using Pakistan to start [TS]

  later this is I think anyone can understand property this is not you know [TS]

  you don't know the intimate details of when you read a commission like oh this [TS]

  is a nice way to store like semi structured simple data with like strings [TS]

  and numbers and stuff and you know Apple uses it alot in their different [TS]

  structure so make sense that they were used to store then you come back they're [TS]

  reading you know extended attributes go read about the clothes are coming out a [TS]

  new stature in the given name here it is like it may take somebody who doesn't [TS]

  know anything about it awhile to go back through gonna stop anybody who has been [TS]

  following along should you know breeze through [TS]

  actually part of the reason why it took me long at this year to read it in last [TS]

  year's because I follows me those links and and got lost on things like the [TS]

  Wikipedia page about UNIX demons and things like that and I like to just just [TS]

  used the word dealing with the eighth before the year and just assume [TS]

  everybody knows what it means I don't wanna explain what that is but if you [TS]

  doubt the Wikipedia page explains what they are and you could come back fairly [TS]

  quickly unless you know you like it was interesting like you but you already [TS]

  knew what they were doing and just went there [TS]

  out of academic curiosity and then got lost but I'm trying to just bring [TS]

  everybody long even if I already know what a demon is I will follow that link [TS]

  just so you know I bet there's something about this I don't know and sure enough [TS]

  there is lots there I didn't know so it was definitely worth it [TS]

  yes I mean sometimes you know you need to know everything about like in that [TS]

  particular I'm just trying to make sure everyone is following along and said [TS]

  hunt explained what had a menace because that's that's cumbersome like I want to [TS]

  assume that there are some common share knowledge here but I but if I can help [TS]

  someone out by going oh I didn't know that was the word for that and white [TS]

  spelled funny like that but no one ever this Wikipedia page explains you know [TS]

  what these things are and why they have a funny name and I can come back and [TS]

  continue but in other cases like I'm trying to add an additional color [TS]

  through what I link link to it and it's not the obviously it's a link that makes [TS]

  a statement about the the word or phrase that adds it usually says adding a [TS]

  little bit of extra opinion about how I feel about something or whatever [TS]

  you know how to follow that link if you are doing over the thing is but you will [TS]

  get more information even if you just mass over the links you like I think I [TS]

  know where that leads you mouse over there because you kinda know what my [TS]

  opinion is gonna be maybe you don't know when you click through it so it is back [TS]

  to the linking think some people find a tiring to do that just want to read as [TS]

  you could read straight through you understand every time you don't need to [TS]

  but links do add stuff maybe maybe it's like a replay value in a game you get [TS]

  repaid reading of going back to sections and following links going back a sec to [TS]

  the to the tags implementation details one reason I actually really enjoyed [TS]

  that section is because when I see feature like tags [TS]

  you know i i rely a lot on the file system for organization and I and i know [TS]

  that might seem like an obvious statement but like I can I rely more [TS]

  than most people do in that I i tend to not use things like everything bucket [TS]

  apps or apps to maintain their own organizational database like aperture [TS]

  and then the faucet was kind of haphazard or hidden from you I i avoid [TS]

  that kind of thing and I i really use the file system as a major [TS]

  organizational point much like our friend dr. drang I i really believe in [TS]

  doing things that way and one of the reasons is because it is very resilient [TS]

  to both data problems and software problems like for example failed disks [TS]

  like you can you can pull a directory tree off a backup and it doesn't matter [TS]

  if the backup like was from some service or media or software they didn't support [TS]

  certain Mac extended attribute implementation or anything like that you [TS]

  know and it also ages very well in that if I change software using of a change [TS]

  my text editor I don't have to change the directory structure with a short [TS]

  text files like everything is more independent from each other and and so [TS]

  on and so I find that the more I can do just file system management of things [TS]

  that generally happier and easier and more resilient my setup is and so when I [TS]

  see a new feature added like tax I have to you know before I think about using [TS]

  it has been ok [TS]

  houses gonna fit into long-term organization like on the disc like [TS]

  because if there was some central system database file that maintained all the [TS]

  tag relationships or if it was in if it was baked into like you know some kind [TS]

  of allocation table in the file system in something like that where it's not [TS]

  just in the file or next to the file that would be a lot less resilient [TS]

  because then like if you back up you know if you copy a directory to a backup [TS]

  drive or if your backup software doesn't know a thing is to find that data then [TS]

  if you restore from that or if you come down to a new machine or removing it [TS]

  here laptop to work on it for a trip or something that doesn't come with it and [TS]

  that sucks and so it was really good to know [TS]

  with your filesystem stuff that it isn't mine in such a way that it will be [TS]

  fairly resilient and it will be fairly portable unfairly aging friendly at [TS]

  least not asian persuasion friendly as long as the tools and questioned support [TS]

  extended attributes that we've had like six years or seven how long has it been [TS]

  since ten-point 4224 all the tools to get up to speed on pay you know extended [TS]

  out to be serious thing and and Apple includes so many things to extended [TS]

  attributes like all time machine realizing I'm just a workout alright the [TS]

  user access control list which is a pretty deeply woven part of the [TS]

  operations in the operating system and they made in like said they would you [TS]

  like for years and years they've taken things that aren't even in expenditures [TS]

  and expose them to extend that to read so applications have kind of a unified [TS]

  interface to do this not release any any applications as anything especially a [TS]

  backup application I mean he doesn't have to be like oh I got a bit of [TS]

  attacks on this like you know you had seven years just to get on the page of [TS]

  like extended attribute sure thing [TS]

  copy them when you copy stuff anything Apple and once on top of extended [TS]

  attributes which is why you know I was always in favor of you know arbitrary [TS]

  sensible arbitrarily extensible metadata because there are so many things you can [TS]

  do with all your tools need to do is understand those things exist just copy [TS]

  them all right and that's all you need to do is still there are tools they [TS]

  don't do it that way but you can rest assured that any tool that works with [TS]

  extended attributes in any form will sober [TS]

  task is that's all they are and the implementation is like and not only that [TS]

  everything's in there about the stupid number for the color from you know 1988 [TS]

  with labels and the string with the name so there's not even a central registry [TS]

  for that like if you copy the file and you can be extended to be with it like [TS]

  any good even the command-line CPW does that at this point on OS 10 you will [TS]

  have your tax bill yet that is that it's a treat as reassuring as any other thing [TS]

  that implemented on top of extended attributes a nice time and you know I [TS]

  have to say that that if I were to pick a favorite section of the review this [TS]

  one might have been it not because I'm particularly enamored with tags but [TS]

  because I loved that you could trace today's situation all the way back [TS]

  almost thirty years to 1988 and see that decisions made then I have and have a [TS]

  demonstrable effect on the decisions that were made today and maybe that's [TS]

  the nerdy side in me coming out but I just thought it was so cool to be able [TS]

  to trace what happens in 2013 all the way back to 1988 now and I do think you [TS]

  handled it well I'm grilling you not because I disagree but because I thought [TS]

  it was a very interesting to talk about right what else did I have here actually [TS]

  I think one of the things we do need to talk about in and I'm just gonna go [TS]

  ahead and kick back while you talk about this is how is publishing all the [TS]

  different ebooks that's pretty smooth this year compared to last year like I [TS]

  was really nervous about doing iBooks is the first time I've ever published [TS]

  anything I books last year and the year before that I had you know I generated [TS]

  epub version and that he published I was trying to say and I books compatible [TS]

  epub epub it's nothing I'm making a file that you can load in the in the iBooks [TS]

  application and I've done that for years so it's not like the creation of the [TS]

  files a problem any more than it always is trying to deal with these eBook [TS]

  readers that don't render things nicely so I had to file it was a question of [TS]

  going to the submission process and I had heard that the submission process [TS]

  could be like days or weeks you know to get the iBookstore is not going to work [TS]

  release date a quick turnaround so you know I have friends who hooked me up [TS]

  with people at the iBooks store who said they could expedite you know my [TS]

  submission kind of like expedited review you get a one-time type thing I don't [TS]

  know if it's a one-time type thing but only publish one thing every year anyway [TS]

  so it's fine and they were all lined up I go yeah you know we'll we'll get it up [TS]

  in 10 12 24 hours so that was all set to go and dealing with the tools they [TS]

  talked about it last show it's not wasn't the greatest experience at all [TS]

  the kind of creepy not a lot of hand-holding in terms of this is the [TS]

  first time you're you're doing it are you sure everything's all set are you [TS]

  sure when you click the spot is going to do it you think are you sure after you [TS]

  click this button you will have the ability to modify XY and Z without [TS]

  screen stopped up you know just learn those who experience of updated all the [TS]

  books so many times at this point like if you're listening to this and you have [TS]

  you bought the Kindle book or the iBooks book both of them have been updated I [TS]

  don't know how the hell to get updates from the Amazon store I think they have [TS]

  to send you an email to tell you it's been up to do some crazy thing I have no [TS]

  idea so but rest assured that the book has been updated if you can figure out [TS]

  how to get the updated version from Amazon Kindle device good on you get a [TS]

  nicer version with type of stocks on earth I'm pretty sure you have to [TS]

  actually just delete the current one off your device lose any highlights and [TS]

  notes you've made in it and just redownload it and I think that will get [TS]

  you the newest version in past years that wouldn't even work in past years [TS]

  when you delete it and redownload they would give you whatever version you [TS]

  purchased in the only way to do to wait for an email with some magic link or [TS]

  something it may have gotten better but I books like any other you know [TS]

  store things like within iBooks is little update stabbed like this book has [TS]

  been updated yet they've been hearing at the new version and I think I think it [TS]

  preserves everything for you I don't try to preserve your notes and highlights [TS]

  but looks a bit of release notes they do i do I discovered that 17 updates in [TS]

  when I saw this kind of updates they got to write something then I found the [TS]

  little tiny [TS]

  the places that lets you type things into the iTunes producer thing it's like [TS]

  I'm boxes literally the size of two postage stamps like to actual postage [TS]

  stamps and then that the proportion like more like a square or rectangle at the [TS]

  base their tiny text in here like seriously in this gigantic window I get [TS]

  to postage stamps and a tiny little fun too small it shouldn't even be in TLS is [TS]

  like you know eight-point text or something without spelling correction i [TS]

  think is that it doesn't do little red squiggles its crazy maybe does to the [TS]

  red squiggles and I just didn't catch it but I put spelling errors in those boxes [TS]

  many times likelier to be beheaded and caught it before I pasted in getting the [TS]

  book up there it was so fast the first submission [TS]

  you know I was talking to my contact without bond like ok I've submitted it [TS]

  and he wanted me to give information about I gave him some information and [TS]

  then I saw the Book of a storm like alright this is awesome it's you know [TS]

  it's up boom there you know is there so quickly and then he sent an email back [TS]

  and said I actually wanted another piece of information that the one you sent me [TS]

  so she didn't even expedited just went up that fast because like because I [TS]

  don't know how long and a lot of people are submitting a book so whatever so [TS]

  maybe I just got lucky and the same thing with the updates I would update [TS]

  the book and it would get updated within hours and I'm like is this normal says [TS]

  automate there is a person doing this and like it usually takes a few hours so [TS]

  I'm very happy with how responsive you know even apparently without the special [TS]

  treatment that I was trying to get that putting stuff on me I'm bookstore was [TS]

  you know it's faster than have them store and their humans evolved so if it [TS]

  ever would go slow and human being I could talk to you and say it's going [TS]

  slow gonna get faster but after the first after getting the first book up it [TS]

  was you know it wasn't a problem can't afford a good day for being a typo [TS]

  correction versions to go up or whatever the iBooks reader and the Kindle reader [TS]

  but there are two more so continued to frustrate me was that they have to [TS]

  patient it's tough right and its fine of his first acts but when you have big [TS]

  images the addicts 32 tries to obviously not have images spanning pages reason [TS]

  like the top of the image and the agency the bomb damage that's bad but the only [TS]

  possible way to do that is to move images around because depending on your [TS]

  screen size is it exercises which can be adjusted by the users are you can [TS]

  you know where the images land changes so the obvious application kind of sort [TS]

  of has to move stuff around and when I move stuff around like makes things that [TS]

  are ugly moving images away from the textarea first then you know floating [TS]

  images of the worst because it has to decide is there not room and even float [TS]

  this sometimes it thinks I have enough room to flood this image to the right [TS]

  and it's got like three characters worth space on the left side so i three letter [TS]

  word fits their fall by two letter word and then there's a huge vertical swath [TS]

  of space and then the five letter word is there anything image and that is [TS]

  terribly ugly and it's like 60 for men in your book like totally doesn't look [TS]

  like that in their version and it would be nice if I books decided there's not [TS]

  enough room for me to float this image I should just sent her a text on either [TS]

  side of it and some constantly like doing a little dance that you do you [TS]

  know where the dance for you have a have a stack of candles and iOS devices on my [TS]

  desk maybe not as big as Marco stack but big enough to be annoying and you load [TS]

  the book and every one of these things and you paged through it and believe me [TS]

  it takes for ever to page through this thing on even an iOS device let alone a [TS]

  candle for ever to page range paid to make this or does it look saying that [TS]

  look like readable can people read the text is a certain point to give up on my [TS]

  car on this device in this fun size it does is weird formatting thing to do but [TS]

  for the most part everything went smoothly the iPad buggin Amazon didn't [TS]

  happen soon as soon as the money online store people able to put it on their [TS]

  iPad did I mention this is a test of the surprising to me has been almost all the [TS]

  sales shifted over time looks like the total number of sales is similar to what [TS]

  it was last year round about fifty books but last year was the you know there was [TS]

  no I'm explosion and of course our ratings on Amazon this year like almost [TS]

  everybody by the iBooks version and a tiny pool people but the Kindle version [TS]

  so I guess that kind of makes sense because it's built into the OS Apple [TS]

  nerds are going to be for reading this and they might like I books or whatever [TS]

  but you know i i was violent and and I version is nicer than the Kindle version [TS]

  cuz I was able to use uncompressed things there but I couldn't in the [TS]

  Amazon region system delivery fee thing [TS]

  so you know as I explained in my post but I how many people about the ebook [TS]

  read my blog post about it like that i mean i i dont know I was I was surprised [TS]

  at how massively dominant iBooks was in terms of sales and you know I'm [TS]

  perfectly happy with that if people are happy that they got it that's actually [TS]

  really interesting figures may be one thing if you would if you were never [TS]

  that popular and candles [TS]

  you know we could try to explain that away but to have a big difference [TS]

  between last year and this year that that's something interesting I think I [TS]

  can I guess I can kind of understand it but like it did you get the impression i [TS]

  know i buy most of my books on the Kindle Store like I'm glad when i buy a [TS]

  book the default as I will buy the Kindle book from Amazon that's how I [TS]

  read you know anything that's not maybe maybe I could technical book there's [TS]

  lots of charges something I would do that but I like a comic book come out by [TS]

  perversions comiXology or something but yeah like I was so tall candles dominant [TS]

  thing and then Apple's over there were the iBookstore but for now I guess if [TS]

  you're writing a review of the Apple operating system people already there [TS]

  were up by that and I books forum i guess i mean maybe part of it is because [TS]

  Kindle like the the good Kindles are the the grayscale even ones and the tablet [TS]

  candles are kinda crappy that's an understatement I think and and so it was [TS]

  something like this where it's full of like nice color images and links and [TS]

  things like you you're gonna wanna have this on a full-featured reading device [TS]

  like the ear candles are not gonna be good for the color images they're not [TS]

  gonna be good following those lines cuz you know they have browsers they're [TS]

  terrible and slow and and so the best advice to read the sign is a computer or [TS]

  tablet and and so it makes sense that most of the people who are interested in [TS]

  reading this kind of thing if they have to pick a color tablet device to read [TS]

  this on our way more left to pick an iPad then see a Kindle Fire which is a [TS]

  total piece of garbage and I guess I still like the web version better but [TS]

  pretty ebook versions despite the fact that the Kindle version has compressed [TS]

  JPEG massively compressed air bags of uncompressed things that are in the eye [TS]

  books on the Kindle reader app has a built-in browser and the iBooks app [TS]

  doesn't so I have been nicer if you're using a lot of [TS]

  links to do the Kindle one because they want to keep leaving the app and coming [TS]

  back when you tap the link it'll open in the in a browser you know I can still [TS]

  hear any other app within a browser that that is is better you know so I i mean [TS]

  there were no options for everybody everyone could get what they want and [TS]

  the option that I'm surprised more people to pick up their afraid of [TS]

  descriptions the you know there are some your subscription which cost exactly the [TS]

  same as buying the book but you get all the versions of the book you get the web [TS]

  version with no ads on a single page if you wanted to get the multi-page web [TS]

  version of that's what you want to get the ebook and the Kindle version had [TS]

  also PDF version which is not nice and I don't make money my people some people [TS]

  like PDFs for that libraries or whatever and I guess that's all because people [TS]

  don't want to repair her member done subscriber to cancel a subscription or [TS]

  whatever it is they want to do is just a simple transaction for them to decide by [TS]

  inside our books you know so we provide the options he will pick what they want [TS]

  first of all I am a print subscriber because i subscribe like three years ago [TS]

  for your review then and I have just forgotten to unsubscribe every year we [TS]

  also get to review our site all year with no ads on it so usually I'm not [TS]

  logged in as I forget that I even habit and then when it renews like that [TS]

  sometime cuz every member of your login really well unlike many others I can't [TS]

  remember the last time I log into our I don't think there's any kind of timeouts [TS]

  on all browsers on all my machines has no ads on one more point to make on this [TS]

  before we leave the e-reader topic I have over the years with both Instapaper [TS]

  and the magazine I have spent a lot of time and effort trying to make things [TS]

  work really well and candles try to make things look as good as well as they can [TS]

  trying to get the layouts and funds exactly right in the market is empty [TS]

  right and everything [TS]

  the navigation navigation all that stuff training all that stuff exactly right [TS]

  for any candles and I think almost none of it was worth it I for whatever reason [TS]

  I I don't really have a great theory on this there are a lot of people who use [TS]

  candles [TS]

  but any kind of difference in quality of the Kindle experience just never seemed [TS]

  appreciated by almost anybody let alone enough people to make it worth the the [TS]

  pretty incredible amount of effort that it was over the years and you know maybe [TS]

  that's just because so many things about reading on a Kindle content wise are [TS]

  mediocre like so many ebooks are half assed and have like one weird font set [TS]

  for the whole things like even the candle beset with the you know the [TS]

  regular Cecilia fun like one book will be totally set in the san serif font in [TS]

  a weird size and justified somehow and there's no way for you to change that or [TS]

  books will have like OCR errors when they were scanned from paper and nobody [TS]

  ever criticism because nobody's looking and nobody cares so it because they're [TS]

  so many foreign periodicals in the kinda looks weird which are just really really [TS]

  have fast and so so many content experiences on these devices are like [TS]

  you know sixty percent quality that maybe people who use candles just don't [TS]

  expect any better and maybe even don't even notice when it is better because [TS]

  the whole experience as a whole is is so mediocre with you know full of things [TS]

  like bad formatting and you know weird little shortcomings and errors and that [TS]

  might also have to do with like the whole thing about market share and [TS]

  browser share being so different between iOS and Android where Android devices a [TS]

  lot of those are these like purpose made tablets that are sold as video plane [TS]

  devices or reading devices something that's not like intend to be general [TS]

  purpose computing devices so maybe people who own those you know don't go [TS]

  looking for things like this to read on them or don't go looking for like you [TS]

  know web magazines or Web save for later services they're you know they're giving [TS]

  these things to get three books and they don't even consider doing stuff like [TS]

  this with them so one of those is probably the case they do it a little [TS]

  bit like i said im trying to do what I can to make sure it's ok [TS]

  like I'm not not I know is never gonna be great I just wanna make sure it's ok [TS]

  and last year I think was the year where [TS]

  when it's not okay I did find out because that was the year I am Kindle [TS]

  ebooks version and it didn't look right on the what was then knew that cannot [TS]

  touch the one with the stupid well where your finger goes down to it in just like [TS]

  the IR being so everything was right and i dont have one of those in no one [TS]

  should have one of those but maybe some people happened and they said hey when I [TS]

  bring your book up on the texts like crazy small and it's all messed up and [TS]

  it's like unreadable and no matter what I do just the size even I just saw the [TS]

  maxilla small and I had screwed something up with the funds but I you [TS]

  know when I went over there in the simulator insensitive I start to Kindle [TS]

  Touch it looks fine but in the actual hardware device it did so you know if [TS]

  you're screwed up bad enough you hear from it and member in that case I had to [TS]

  make my best guess as to what I had screwed up with the but the funds [TS]

  because unlike if you look at the market is focused disgusting like all sorts of [TS]

  hacks and that some of them probably aren't even necessary anymore like I [TS]

  think ahead like P style Eagles text indent nun you know inline style and [TS]

  every single paragraph I think you still need that for the Kindle three and maybe [TS]

  even the Kindle for movies like crap like that have been looking like what [TS]

  are you crazy you know how to make market was like I did not put it out [TS]

  there for my health that's because like three years ago I had to do that to get [TS]

  a look right I like the Kindle to write and I just leave all that crap in this [TS]

  analysis is piled high atop a pile paxon and the these particular arrangement of [TS]

  politics screw up the fund on that you know they cannot touch so I had to like [TS]

  guess what the solution was one hell of a book you know email to Scott McNulty [TS]

  who has every candle in the universe and say can you take a picture of it [TS]

  show me what it looks like a very spot sizes so I can say okay like I i approve [TS]

  that it gets good in shaping up actually you know what before before I forget I [TS]

  now that I no longer have any paper or the magazine and the next step is a [TS]

  podcast app I've been looking to get rid of my collection of all the candles do [TS]

  you want to give it to you free cuz you can actually use it my wife will not [TS]

  like you see him he electronics to that Kindle museum a museum of mediocre [TS]

  reading devices I'm sending it to you that's it [TS]

  refuse it if you want but I'm thinking like we didn't we didn't give our son [TS]

  one of our old conozcas with her kids actually kind of good because I like [TS]

  buying e-books market in the paper books they have so many paper books like by my [TS]

  son books and giving him his own candle to like to read on [TS]

  is pretty good so you know if you want to send me some of your old ones like I [TS]

  was given my kids are you save some time out of his old enough [TS]

  hollow candles on the only one I want to save as the paperwhite because that's [TS]

  the only one that we actually use good one but if you want to get rid of all [TS]

  the only old once everything before the paperwhite I have one of each model and [TS]

  you're going to have them soon caught sunbathing in 2012 nobody wants that [TS]

  it's how it's so funny it's kind of like that like that next Mike you can you [TS]

  actually have and kept a cute they came free with wired magazine in like this is [TS]

  so it's shaped like a freaking cat of course that is I can't find something [TS]

  before we lived [TS]

  move on from this topic in in the shower when I get in as you guys some two [TS]

  questions actually 1 I'll talk about appearance maybe the next week but since [TS]

  we're short on time I mentioned last week when I didn't talk about their view [TS]

  that there was like some overriding theme that I was trying to weave through [TS]

  out the review and that whether or not you got the pop culture references that [TS]

  I was using to build it should have worked on its own [TS]

  did I succeed did you see a team running through this and if so what do you think [TS]

  it was [TS]

  power-saving that's true in terms of the features but it's like I'm thinking more [TS]

  like the touchy-feely like you know what kind of OS is this where does it fall in [TS]

  the hierarchy of US releases you know me I think so I i mean you explicitly state [TS]

  that you know you you can't give an idea of the theme that that you want me to [TS]

  say that you believed I think it depends a lot on your opinion of Mavericks like [TS]

  as a usually when you get like once you depend on like what you think of the [TS]

  things they change [TS]

  changed whether it makes a big difference for you know for your [TS]

  hardware and for your usage and and what you think of the direction they're going [TS]

  and so I think that year's theme is is spot-on of like this shows some [TS]

  interesting things for the directions there there at the direction they're [TS]

  going with some of the stuff and it's it wasn't it wasn't necessarily the obvious [TS]

  direction they were going year ago or two years ago and and so that you did [TS]

  very well I'm not sure I picked up on the specifics of a ton of places where [TS]

  you think they were they are going to be so I'd like some some big things like [TS]

  shifting towards i mean one thing that i think is very obvious for me with this [TS]

  is Mavericks is really a laptop OS that happens to run on desktops if you want [TS]

  to and it is really it is getting more iOS like but not in the interface and [TS]

  like stuff like long competitiveness is kind of stupid but you know the the [TS]

  interface is actually getting you know mostly back to being back like again [TS]

  maybe I should be out until he tried a radical redesign who knows but a lot of [TS]

  the and lines are the stupid like a lot of the power saving stuff a lot of the [TS]

  app nap the the sandbox and I'm just putting more restrictions on ads in [TS]

  order to achieve that our stuff for the user whether its security whether its [TS]

  power related or or you know managing unsaved data stuff like that I think [TS]

  we're gonna see a lot more of that and and a lot more stuff aimed at that [TS]

  laptop specifically but but just like a lot more just restrictions that won't [TS]

  necessarily him to power users for the most part but we'll keep making life [TS]

  harder for developers temporarily to get long-term that are situations going on [TS]

  this on this platform that they didn't have the luxury of starting from scratch [TS]

  with iOS but I spell it out in the [TS]

  the interim the conclusions I'm going and make the last paragraph more or less [TS]

  than you know that the very last line of like this is a weird time in the life of [TS]

  the Mac because the direction of was going in has been sort of like a big [TS]

  stop signs prepared to stop with that don't don't do that anymore and you know [TS]

  they scraped out a lot of that stuff but left a lot of those things kind of you [TS]

  know it's in limbo like it it's it's an OS that is not it is unsure of itself [TS]

  right it's not it is not bold confident even to the green line one line was more [TS]

  bold and confident like gap we're gonna have everything wouldn't felt and looked [TS]

  like iOS and like I don't care what you were doing that is broken so book now I [TS]

  gotta bookmark deal with it you know it was i mean you could say it was [TS]

  misguided are going the wrong direction but it was certainly more more confident [TS]

  and bold about what it was doing and Mavericks is like no you know maybe not [TS]

  sure about what we're doing here I guess you know I mean like the power same [TS]

  stuff is like you to definitely going to emphasize power-saving do that stuff [TS]

  that's fine but like anything like what what is the Mac platform becoming like [TS]

  which one is the direction for the Mac and aside from the obvious stuff like [TS]

  that more efficient get faster you know better battery life what does it mean to [TS]

  be a Mac what is the future of this platform and Mavericks is is not a bold [TS]

  statement in any particular direction other than that direction we're going in [TS]

  before we're not doing that anymore but we don't have fun times we don't have [TS]

  time to undo all that stuff either so some is going to be there but I mean you [TS]

  know we put the stuff and we don't we don't want to do that we just don't have [TS]

  time to clean up but don't look over there it's kind of a great game center [TS]

  still friggin felt like you know it's still the stuff is still there and i [TS]

  guess i know i OS that little tiny bit of that unlike iBook still being the [TS]

  women's shelter for the most part I was like I was 70 here it is a seven this [TS]

  embargo never been clear from get in line you know all bored I was 17 and [TS]

  maverick's not like that at all and the edges stop i think is this more I think [TS]

  it did I i mean i spelled it out I think I might have used at Alexs maybe not [TS]

  like Apple said to themselves and it's really important I think bears out of [TS]

  the usage of it [TS]

  you said it's like you know it's like a laptop OS but just true in the sense [TS]

  there you know focusing on power saver which only really matters when you have [TS]

  a battery you know what it's like if not just any saving its increased energy [TS]

  efficiency and increased responsiveness and they go hand in hand responsiveness [TS]

  and stop your Mac from doing crap that is not responding to you the user right [TS]

  now which usually means stop your Mac from doing all sorts of stuff that was [TS]

  doing before and if you spent any time like running DTrace or you know the old [TS]

  St usage think it's gone there you know he trusts or FSU said you're all these [TS]

  tools on the Mac you can use to see what the system is doing its doing tons of [TS]

  stuff all the time the Mac is doing so many things like this is why it's [TS]

  amazing that I was even works with iOS is not doing these things would destroy [TS]

  your battery you know and so they're trying to bring it into like stop max I [TS]

  know you have almost too much memory too much computing power too much hard to [TS]

  space and they were doing tons of stuff in the background the strength to rein [TS]

  it in and even if you don't have a laptop like I don't use laptops right [TS]

  it's a maybe the psychological happens after every year was up there but I feel [TS]

  like I've more or less it should have should have this gauged after going [TS]

  through so many OS updates you know people so she'll snap you're busy just [TS]

  did a fresh install and Michael your cash is a cleaner maybe things would be [TS]

  fragmented or things haven't started to slow down whenever you know you know [TS]

  psychological effects of like making you think the nuances faster but you know [TS]

  even accounting for that in fact I truly believe that my desktop Mac Pro at work [TS]

  feels snappier after an upgrade to matters more so than no nap after doing [TS]

  like in a lasting way that you eventually get used to it you don't [TS]

  notice it anymore but it's because the thing my machine is doing less crap and [TS]

  even if this comes down to like I'm my machine is not being destroyed by [TS]

  spotlighting time machine to such a degree you know like totally smooth the [TS]

  way to kill a magnet to swap it with IO because I mean it can only be one for [TS]

  your process can have a lock on the Kalevala time to discrimination us plus [TS]

  so of course I'm not doing you any good you know [TS]

  contention for i/o can make your Mac sales slowed almost more so than [TS]

  anything else [TS]

  low memory eventually become swamp because wiping everything but the memory [TS]

  compression combined with a lower priority of everything else combined [TS]

  with just less crap going on in the background and more things to be like oh [TS]

  I was gonna run but let me let me hold off and wait until an idle period like [TS]

  that goes a long way even on a desktop Mac and so I would encourage people to [TS]

  like water have laptops I don't care about Mavericks you should care not [TS]

  because of anything because of the responsiveness angle that goes hand in [TS]

  hand and I think this is just the tip of the iceberg it's not like it's magically [TS]

  all super duper responsive now like but definitely going in that direction to [TS]

  say to make a better experience we have to do like what I rested and say we [TS]

  really need to respond to these got all this power too much power we've gotten [TS]

  lazy and just got so much are we gonna have you know just added things one [TS]

  after the other like first spotlight was not just things going to run and then [TS]

  we're gonna have time machine that's another thing is gonna run in the [TS]

  background when things and if you just look at like the CPU usage of some [TS]

  stupid thing pulling in your menu bar like so many things are so wasteful [TS]

  Adobe you know just just just torturing your machine even this is something I [TS]

  missed him argue that added an updated version even the stupid time machine [TS]

  like a little tiny clock icon doesn't turn on anymore but it is not used you [TS]

  know it's not worth sending you know giving CPU cycles waking up the CPU 30 [TS]

  times a second spin that stupid thing when it sprinkles Time Machine backups [TS]

  can take a long time like just this relentless desire to say stop the [TS]

  computer from doing crap that does not help the user and so that that is a good [TS]

  new direction and think this is like the first toe dip in that direction but [TS]

  overall the OS is definitely in a in a transitional period and you know the [TS]

  last line of you you may be a very strange time in my life I think this is [TS]

  a strange time in the life of the Mac because I think of what's going on a man [TS]

  has been strange the past few years but like this is even more strange like it [TS]

  seemed like all the Mac is irrelevant I was awesome and then I was like oh no [TS]

  the max relevant back to the Mac and Max gonna become relevant looking just like [TS]

  iOS the same thing there [TS]

  then we were like no that's not too great or whatever and then it's kind of [TS]

  like yeah right like that's not great and now just kind of like all right here [TS]

  in a stripped off a lot of that was tough competition stuff but not quite [TS]

  sure you know what's going on there compared to Iowa soldiers you know so [TS]

  bold and fresh and confident what he was doing so that that's the theme I was [TS]

  trying to be throughout the day review and I think people feel that like even [TS]

  if I just feel it as kind of a big disinterest and Mac platform it's [TS]

  because Mavericks doesn't come out of the gate with some you know a lot of it [TS]

  comes down to aesthetics doesn't come out the gate with some bold new look and [TS]

  some new ideas about how you interact with them act like one of the doc is [TS]

  gone and all windows over our full screen or we have a tiling window [TS]

  manager all sorts of crazy things you can imagine no more menu bar you know [TS]

  like not saying anything good ideas but if any if it did any of those things [TS]

  people with sit up and take notice it does not like this is not Mac OS 11 its [TS]

  Mac OS 10 and it's like Mac OS 10 you know tepid edition in terms of what's [TS]

  going to throw in the userspace but underneath it all are you know some good [TS]

  ideas about efficiency and responsiveness that hint at what a new [TS]

  direction for the Mac can be but we're not there yet again probably because of [TS]

  time constraints so we'll circle back here next year and a similar time I [TS]

  assume and see if the next release is that bold new direction that builds on [TS]

  you know what Mavericks is kind of finding out only one of the thing too as [TS]

  I really think that that some of this transition notion is because Apple has [TS]

  always had and this is true both Mac OS and iOS especially Mac OS they've always [TS]

  had this weird dichotomy of trying to appeal to power users because their [TS]

  power users and they respect us and they have a lot of power user fans you know [TS]

  trying to appeal to power users and be like the pro the pro platform while also [TS]

  having all these opinions and being being so strongly controlling about ease [TS]

  of user experience and simplicity and hiding limitation details from people [TS]

  and we've seen Apple go a little too far in in the east direction sometimes and [TS]

  they pulled back and look at some of the big money features of Mavericks you know [TS]

  some of the finances to fight that they really are for power users the [TS]

  multi-monitor stuff that's all why do you think anyone would have predicted [TS]

  they would have been improving multi-monitor stuff as much as they did [TS]

  just last year or the year before like with live online brought in full screen [TS]

  and and everyone's like oh well now we have just talked with linen on our [TS]

  second screen forever like no one would have predicted at that time that the [TS]

  same company just two years later would dramatically improve multi-monitor and [TS]

  and make it so much better and you know I think and was it was a mountain lion [TS]

  introduced mission control or whatever that new thing was anyway you know [TS]

  Apple's always had this weird dichotomy between our users and hiding things for [TS]

  ease of use and part of the transition that I think you're getting at is just [TS]

  them fighting that battle that they've been fighting for a long time and [TS]

  they're just they just keep moving forward to making it more locked down [TS]

  for use of use but also better power users in like they there it's like [TS]

  they're like one-upping themselves in that battle as time goes on and I don't [TS]

  know that they can never win that battle it's just a hard problem is kind of like [TS]

  this is kind of like a do over because it's like they're still there going to [TS]

  head off I think in the same direction but Lyon mountain lion are sort of an [TS]

  embodiment of misunderstanding what's good about iOS is it like a kind of a [TS]

  kind of understand a broad level iOS is good and popular because it's simple and [TS]

  it gets crap out your way that you don't want to deal with crap that and I talked [TS]

  a lot about this new line an outline of you especially in liar view things that [TS]

  we all take for granted that if you think about it's like well why should I [TS]

  even bother with that at all and like I was the perfect example of like how easy [TS]

  it is to buy and install an app why isn't that easy on the neck well because [TS]

  of XY and Z imbaba like but does it have to be well I've been computer just like [TS]

  any of it's kind of like you know power users do want power and they'll get [TS]

  addicted like Stockholm Syndrome to get addicted to things that are terrible I [TS]

  could ask a Mac user way [TS]

  back before any your time like used to be able to choose how much RAM and [TS]

  application would allocate to itself you get info on finding it was little box [TS]

  and said like two little boxes we could get recommended in a maximum size of [TS]

  whatever support nightmare that must be like oh you have to give it more memory [TS]

  you can open files figure rose you know you decide how much RAM accused and [TS]

  obviously that's you know from my perspective like why would ever have to [TS]

  do that it's like you know having to go out and drink you're stuck artist or [TS]

  something but if you have to Paris Michael I need to have my control but I [TS]

  need to tell exactly how much this application is that and how did you know [TS]

  like they love the knobs and you know they love nigga dick into that stuff and [TS]

  it takes a while to get away from that and other things cleaned like all that [TS]

  crap that you thought was essential actually it's not and see how much more [TS]

  pleasant it is to use this thing but what blind mountain lion like ok iOS [TS]

  like people like that that's good that simple but we need do is make them act [TS]

  like iOS and they made it like iOS in the wrong ways right what they should [TS]

  have been doing a lot more americans doing like you know all that sand boxing [TS]

  stuff and all of the you know obvious implications of getting rid of like you [TS]

  know wouldn't it be nice if you know where all the files were on the system [TS]

  can manage them and you know that you know the sandbox containers for things [TS]

  and you didn't have all these application just doing random crap their [TS]

  system and patching things and running in the background and eating CPU cycles [TS]

  and you know it wasn't a wild Western you more like that's one aspect of the [TS]

  other one was like well [TS]

  interface implication that book should be like a book and it's just one simple [TS]

  screen you know that was the wrong direction like the simplifications are [TS]

  not in the visual interface applications are in think of the parts of the system [TS]

  that I like busy work that you don't need to be doing or that are like our [TS]

  are inefficient or that caused chaos like the Wild West nature of the [TS]

  internals of like all these things running rampant over system making like [TS]

  a fragile system [TS]

  get rid of that but still give the features that make the Mac than that and [TS]

  so i think there's a reset of like they went off in they went off in pursuit of [TS]

  the aesthetic look and feel and simplification in terms of individual [TS]

  and they're resetting now and saying actually true [TS]

  true luxuries whatever form you sent terrible advertisements they had that [TS]

  the true true simplicity is getting rid of ugly details but not getting rid of [TS]

  features you know as much as they stood in a little bit about our competitions [TS]

  and stuff but try to try to provide the same functionality but make it so there [TS]

  are fewer moving parts and Furyk rapid you don't care about that you have to [TS]

  deal with and they're far from that goal now I guess it's kind of like i rewind [TS]

  and reset and hope when they move in a new direction towards simplicity will [TS]

  not be towards you know just playing I was dressed up like you know I said your [TS]

  view of johns and more towards appreciating what it is you know that I [TS]

  was has fewer hassles so get rid of the hassles and Mac OS don't just try to [TS]

  make it like I was because I S and you know different types of hassles there [TS]

  are houses on the Mac get rid of those hassles and new features without their [TS]

  own set of hassles behind them and go forward in that direction so I I hope [TS]

  that's where they're going i mean like I said the last show calls transitional [TS]

  because you like 10 what is transitioning from but we don't quite [TS]

  know what is transitioning to so far it's kind of like a you know a pause [TS]

  reset to regroup kind of thing [TS]

  all right let's wrap it up this week as we are running long time and we want to [TS]

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  now this show they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental John [TS]

  Casey [TS]

  it was accidental and jean-marc Guillou [TS]

  you know what is the name of that rule that whatever you search for it will [TS]

  eventually generate into porn [TS]

  3434 I believe is if it exists there's porn for it that's different that's one [TS]

  thing I feel like there's a rule for anything they you participate in [TS]

  particularly podcast which is if you talked long enough it will eventually [TS]

  end up with you bitching about HFS plus just got to fix the things that annoy me [TS]

  and then I move on to the next thing that annoys me like I don't complain I [TS]

  don't complain about a cooperative multitasking are protected memory [TS]

  anymore that say they got does yeah you know something else did you guys find [TS]

  any stirrings now [TS]

  easter eggs is clicking all links now although I didn't know I was not very [TS]

  diligent about things I was happy Easter eggs in there in a hard to find a web [TS]

  page you know but I was surprised by the number I keep making them less obvious [TS]

  and sometimes I think I can only find these but you know you put their view of [TS]

  950 people email you and say that these traits that what we talkin like labeling [TS]

  period and that the level of things like that but I mean just references like a [TS]

  lot on the right in your face like you know the image stuff the ice ice man is [TS]

  one of them is one of the one of the most obvious one of the night in your [TS]

  face serious like nine times it was the name of my volume I can I gotta think of [TS]

  what to call these things and so like you you could just glanced over them [TS]

  like agassi causes [TS]

  calls as hard as I spent whatever but you know they like if you think about it [TS]

  for a second if you've seen top like that's that's not obvious when [TS]

  everything is something like that a lot of people like my contacts with [TS]

  screenshot lot of people are sending me stuff about that the same contacts from [TS]

  last year and I think from the year before and the reason is because iCloud [TS]

  like it made my test account every year and on to make you fat contacts cuz I [TS]

  made them one year and then install a new OS and you know what up on my test [TS]

  accounts they're they're all my contacts as the same joke over and over again but [TS]

  it's it's new to some people like oh you know that context then how do you get [TS]

  that reference and nobody you look at the context [TS]

  crap is right but for the seven people who know what it is it's entertaining [TS]

  and six other people are seeing it for the first time they didn't read my [TS]

  review last year and the year before that and they get a little like oh [TS]

  that's cute I screwed up joke this year they did better last year but I don't [TS]

  think I go see a movie you haven't seen so you know whenever but like you need [TS]

  to know you that's what's that's what contact us like to get it as the caption [TS]

  caption I think we call Marilyn posted the caption to his blog so I think he [TS]

  understood the reference to the caption under the contacts cucumbers with [TS]

  cottage cheese nothin on that one [TS]

  know you've seen that show maybe you'd have to remember that episode which I [TS]

  can't reveal them all to you do tax in the chatroom wants to know what's better [TS]

  than HFS plus i'll see you guys later [TS]

  btrfs NTFS file system created in the last twenty years at sixteen created the [TS]

  last one hears anything else you want one more thing on the books production I [TS]

  wimped out and have some copyrighted material and I think it's fair use but I [TS]

  have some copyrighted material [TS]

  link to this review and I wimped out of putting that into you because I just [TS]

  dreaded like getting rejected from the iBookstore because you know claims [TS]

  copyright material I'm not gonna have a nuanced conversation about fair use when [TS]

  you know i wanted to have my book up so I did not include that in e-book [TS]

  versions only in the web version because I was afraid I have nothing constructive [TS]

  about that neither do I get angry that they if you if you ever reach a point [TS]

  where you are trying to argue for use with somebody else already lost right so [TS]

  it's just like it so much easier just remove it and it's on the web if anyone [TS]

  says it's because of the delay if I won't complain but if I did you plan to [TS]

  have two seconds later I can remove it boom [TS]

  text books like so that's why i cant disappointed because I would want you [TS]

  know like it'll be able to get the full experience but this is like another one [TS]

  of those things that no one's gonna [TS]

  I think everyone you know obviously on the web I do have one question I should [TS]

  have asked during the show it's very simple you gonna do this again next year [TS]

  I was gonna do this year but I ended up there every year ago something terrible [TS]

  that this one was like a long drawn-out you think oh great fall I was so happy [TS]

  that BBC at about this time to write but then at a certain point like our [TS]

  rhetoric is always something like announced the date you know I was so [TS]

  long done and then I was just updating us nothing more joyless than having to [TS]

  previous interview that you finish writing on September 1st repeatedly [TS]

  revisited to revise change revised range that is so terrible writing for the [TS]

  first time can be kind of fun you know where hard work the kind of fun but [TS]

  revising its just not fun at all so I don't know like the thing the thing that [TS]

  makes me keep doing these things is I think about what I don't do it they can [TS]

  have someone else do it now you know doing right now we're done this I don't [TS]

  want to be sitting there like armchair quarterbacking whoever does your views [TS]

  of saying you know laudatory over and especially if they're going to do some [TS]

  crazy ass like I was silent I'll style thing how can I resist so it's not in [TS]

  some ways the 10th major release is a nice around stopping point kind of like [TS]

  episode 298 the numbers of the 10th major release the next thing but on the [TS]

  other hand 10 ken is also a round thing and if they ever did 11 like I don't [TS]

  know I'm gonna have to stop at some point maybe they'll get worse and worse [TS]

  until known reason anymore as soon as I guess is that a good strategy [TS]

  yeah you could imagine like who the hell would want this job of trying to fill [TS]

  these shoes that as I mean if you don't have to fill the shoes like that's [TS]

  that's the thing about people think that this review is getting so widely read [TS]

  because they're so good but at this point they get some when they read [TS]

  because there are technical and stuff you know I don't think that's true I [TS]

  don't either the publication has a reputation at this point people don't [TS]

  even look at the byline and they they have no idea who I am [TS]

  am or like I bet that's not even close to true I bet that you bring a lot of [TS]

  people to Ars Technica for this review that are coming to it because it's your [TS]

  review I brought a lot of people you know a lot of the people who work for [TS]

  stepping in now said I first came readings almost interview years ago but [TS]

  I think at this point I think of the publication has you know a good [TS]

  reputation on its own people trusted and the reason that I mean that's the reason [TS]

  that this jury gets so much traffic is because the site's traffic has grown so [TS]

  much like back in the day we cannot completely rule no [TS]

  last year when I did my foot might parody review of your review I told you [TS]

  that was by far the number one pageview article on my site for the for all of [TS]

  last year and I had a lot of big hits last year and that beat them all but I [TS]

  know the actual traffic numbers are as we like to say on the air but I know the [TS]

  actual traffic numbers so I can compare apples to apples and ours ours as a site [TS]

  its traffic has grown tremendously over the past several years since to the [TS]

  credit of all the people who write for the publication and I've just been the [TS]

  kind of along for the ride and I mean I get like this I make a very long review [TS]

  too so like I think I said like in the line of use that was the most popular [TS]

  article on ours for the year right but I think was also the longest so it's this [TS]

  year or less traffic than last year [TS]

  you know I don't know this because the month that came out in or whatever but I [TS]

  mean maybe maybe not just fade away and people care enough about the Mac [TS]

  platform to be reading these reviews or maybe there won't be a few short in the [TS]

  last year and I think it's because they're less stuff to talk about so like [TS]

  I'm thinking of any game kind of like cable talk xoxo only watch like his ass [TS]

  and what does it look like I don't know I mean he said things like no fade away [TS]

  so out of nothing sells I can sell out or just stop like that's a good thing so [TS]

  eventually it the worst time to ask me after i'm just finished telling me like [TS]

  I'm never doing that again the conversation I had with my really good [TS]

  friend Brian the day that the review came out [TS]

  mega told Marco and told one of you but for the live listeners so my very good [TS]

  friend brian is a pretty big nerd although he doesn't do this sort of [TS]

  thing professionally he sends me on and I am the day the review comes out is one [TS]

  of the dudes on your podcast Jonsered he's like yeah how well he is all over [TS]

  the internet today I never realized he was a review guy that people don't don't [TS]

  know that you know they don't look at the bylines just hold on but they may [TS]

  not look at the byline but when the when and new matter when a new OS 10 comes [TS]

  out they know to go to our stack nikka and find your review that people used to [TS]

  be really into one new iPod came out to be see how that ends well okay yes [TS]

  everything eventually does Dajon but I i I think you're being way too humble are [TS]

  you saying that you are like the iPod Classic what happens is that the thing [TS]

  that I have to offer that's actually a distinct value becomes less and less [TS]

  interest because as time goes on there are plenty of people like at this point [TS]

  when I was pressuring them nobody was even 2010 was so I was the winner [TS]

  because I was the only one writing about it so I was the best writer about her [TS]

  but now you know apple and agat so much covered by so many actual professional [TS]

  people that I I can't offer what they offer in terms of you know a [TS]

  general-purpose review of the opera's all I've got left the value is on the [TS]

  guy who's been there all along i sorry for the Mac in 1984 I know all these [TS]

  details I have all the historical context I've been deep into every single [TS]

  release this is not the first time ever I can give you a historical context with [TS]

  maybe knowing which areas to go into technical depth because it could go into [TS]

  the same depth that I do many people who could find more features than I do and [TS]

  how to pay is about them whatever all I've got to offer is 100 people or [TS]

  people eventually don't have you know looks or strength or you know figure [TS]

  they just have wisdom you know eventually people like yeah it was a [TS]

  great novel I'm going to you know go look at this [TS]

  these young people frolicking on the beach is much more interesting so as [TS]

  time goes on I will I will have my wisdom I will continue to offer it and [TS]

  that will you know may not be enough to sustain interest in these type of things [TS]

  so maybe you know like a deal with you know try to bail before things go [TS]

  downhill before I jump the shark or just you know continue to do until Mon pays [TS]

  attention [TS]