The Accidental Tech Podcast

22: Full Brichter


  time boxing such like a consulting speak thing to say that means it's it's doing [TS]

  a task but limiting it to a certain amount of time but time is [TS]

  one-dimensional boxing doesn't make sense [TS]

  well the thought is you know I don't know how long this test is gonna take me [TS]

  or I won't time box it for two hours and see where you get any time bracketing [TS]

  I'm trying to think of something that it doesn't imply a second image only you [TS]

  would be pissed off the time of this probably regular English words civil so [TS]

  you did something interesting our last night but by the time recording but [TS]

  almost a week ago by the time most people here that's yeah I released the [TS]

  new app for the first time in a long time how that go really well actually so [TS]

  this this is my my few days project appetite discussed couple episodes back [TS]

  and the app is called buckshot and it is kind of like sketch for iOS without [TS]

  sucking so basically it's a very very simplified screen Thai at Asian app [TS]

  where you get it just shows up on your screen shots in your camera roll and and [TS]

  then you have to draw big orange arrows or boxes on them to point out certain [TS]

  things in them and then email them or do something with them and that's literally [TS]

  all is boxes and arrows orange on screen shots and the reason I created it is [TS]

  because it was just a few just like couple of weeks ago I was I was like in [TS]

  the back down playing with my kid and navigating through a podcast that was [TS]

  playing on a speaker and I noticed yet another visual bug in downcast while I [TS]

  was always doing this cuz downcast still has a few issues on iOS 7 it works but [TS]

  there's a number of you I glitches and so I took a screenshot and I always do I [TS]

  i whenever I see a bug in a nap whether it's mine or somebody else's I always [TS]

  take a screenshot with the intention of going and you know once I get back to my [TS]

  big computer emailing [TS]

  or fixing it if it's my bug or something like that and usually forget to do this [TS]

  and so what I end up with is a go through my camera rolling something else [TS]

  and come across the screen shots of bugs that I have long since forgotten about [TS]

  that are either out of date or a look at the screen shot and think why not take [TS]

  the screenshot what's wrong with this I got all forget and I won't be [TS]

  immediately obvious upon looking at like wait why why do I think this was a [TS]

  problem so this basically buckshot for me was a way to give screenshots like a [TS]

  workflow like to make an appt the dedicated for receiving them and doing [TS]

  something with them immediately on the phone so it kind of gives me an excuse [TS]

  to like myself oh now to have this happen to do this I won't just [TS]

  screenshot and forget and also the annotation part of it is very handy to [TS]

  prevent the second problem which was forgetting lied to the screenshot or it [TS]

  not being a hundred percent obvious and having to describe somebody in an [TS]

  exactly what part of it you're talking about so that's what it is and there [TS]

  were a number of decisions I made along the way [TS]

  mainly I I knew this was not going to be like the app that carried me in business [TS]

  for the next five years and so I didn't want to spend a whole lot I'm on it and [TS]

  almost every decision I made during development I had to balance against [TS]

  like ok well I could do X Y is here I could do this this way or the other way [TS]

  but that will take a week or that'll take too long or that all have ongoing [TS]

  maintenance or something like that and I only wanna spend a few days on this and [TS]

  of course a few days became better week but still a week for a nap really isn't [TS]

  that bad relative to anything else even even with this app where its feature set [TS]

  is relatively small and trivial there's still a lot of implementation to get [TS]

  right and a lot of decisions to make along the way and I just a lot of work [TS]

  to do you know screenshot the icon not like there's all sorts of like stuff [TS]

  that matter how simple your apt [TS]

  is if you want to be high quality even if it's simple you still have to do a [TS]

  whole bunch of stuff so there's kind of just probably you know a whole bunch of [TS]

  topics to talk about if you want but that would take too long I mean I don't [TS]

  spend all day on this punk ass so I don't know what he goes what interests [TS]

  you hear complaints complaints as do I was hoping you'd have complaints they [TS]

  wanna go first case Iran media I actually have one in particular so I can [TS]

  go first and then leave you the floor for the next fifteen ninety minutes [TS]

  behind but marco was in town as we talked about I think last episode was in [TS]

  town for a party that we threw last weekend and so you show me the apt I [TS]

  think you would already sent it to the UPS Store at that point but it wasn't of [TS]

  course and I had seen with John and I both had seen a couple of screenshots [TS]

  but that was my only exposure to it we barely talked about it and basically [TS]

  Marco handed me his phone and said are you go so in using the app I thought was [TS]

  extremely intuitive I thought that the way in which you drew things was very [TS]

  was very reasonable and made a lot of sense I wasn't really clear how to [TS]

  delete something so I just tried a couple things in the second thing I [TS]

  tried a third thing I tried was double tapping on an object and sure enough [TS]

  there when so I thought that was really nice there is no demo needed it was I [TS]

  thought is extremely intuitive I know you got some flak on Twitter about that [TS]

  but it made sense to me the thing that I didn't like however is you took the easy [TS]

  route which is probably what I would have done with the boxes in that the [TS]

  touch target for any rectangles squares whatever whatever what have you there [TS]

  the entirety of the rectangle including the inner part that's actually clear so [TS]

  if you were to put an arrow or another box inside the bigger box that gets a [TS]

  little bit dodgy in terms of how you select what you want to select and that [TS]

  really annoys me even though I don't know why would ever run into that [TS]

  well that an answer today I i spent this morning while adams watching Sesame [TS]

  Street giving me some time in my life that towns of this afternoon so I spent [TS]

  this morning during Sesame Street working on that hit testing and playing [TS]

  with different things and I'm gonna change from 14101 I'm gonna make it so [TS]

  that basically the challenge here and I i faces challenge during development too [TS]

  and I decided to the easy way out but challenges I faced is so obviously you [TS]

  know if you tap it and hit a shape you know how did how basically what the [TS]

  bounding box or or what's the banding path for what should be considered [TS]

  heading that shape and the problem is the shapes can be all different sizes [TS]

  and this is a touch device everything's in in precise and precise so if you [TS]

  constantly miss what you're trying to hit that's bad but the way it was [TS]

  especially with boxes very future a really big box you couldn't draw [TS]

  anything inside of it then because any tap inside of it would be considered [TS]

  dragnet box even if the space inside it was really vast and empty so obviously [TS]

  there there some middle ground here so when I'm playing with now is basically [TS]

  like if the if the shape is below a certain size just the whole thing as the [TS]

  bounding box and then if it's if it's above a certain size then only its [TS]

  border plus a little bit of padding on both sides of the border that represents [TS]

  the bounding path and similar similar thing with arrows well if the arrow is [TS]

  below a certain size now it's just gonna be the whole bounding box of the arrow [TS]

  fine what once it gets passed I think I think it is sad about 80 by 82 book the [TS]

  boundary that once you get past that boundary and then the arrow itself like [TS]

  its path is the touch area but it's all it's is a great example of one of those [TS]

  things where like the app looks really simple but there's a lot of little tiny [TS]

  details like that where I had to make decisions and experiment and everything [TS]

  else and that's that's why I like I have a lot of developers upon hearing that [TS]

  this took me about a week to really do and and submit probably would think a [TS]

  week is way too long for [TS]

  up to the simple but really there's so many little details like that and that's [TS]

  what a couple time really like it you can make a really terrible at it in two [TS]

  days and that's you know simply from from new project to submitted in two [TS]

  days you can do that but there's very little chance to be good so what I [TS]

  really wanted to do was I want to be very very simple but also good so what [TS]

  was left on the cutting room floor and John and delaying your complaints but [TS]

  was left on the cutting room floor that you wanted to get done that didn't but [TS]

  you you did that as a conscious choice to get it out quickly I played with a [TS]

  few ideas one of them a smaller version of that say like one of things I was [TS]

  doing was some kind of state of marking which screenshots you have dealt with [TS]

  already so like you know they do anything you'd that you wanted obviously [TS]

  have to save the nation as a whole can of worms right there how do you save [TS]

  restore these things and I know that then you have user data to deal with [TS]

  Mike then do have an export you have to think that you know that's that's a [TS]

  whole can of worms though it is now like you draw your boxes and arrows and then [TS]

  you had to cancel or done it basically if you shared anywhere then there were [TS]

  changes to done either way once you're out of that screen that that information [TS]

  is lost I don't it's not safe anywhere and so that was mostly for simplicity's [TS]

  sake and the time constraints but also like I feel like this is this is [TS]

  temporary data anyway like the whole point of this is Anthony screenshot and [TS]

  then get rid of it said it somewhere you know so that you can deal with it sent [TS]

  in some other place and I for me just email it myself usually but either way [TS]

  it was terrible but an easily know things to yourself is the best solution [TS]

  to a very very wide set of problems unfortunately we still haven't solved [TS]

  and better ways yet I'm sure everyone I'm I bet I bet even John Siracusa do [TS]

  you still you know things to yourself in certain contexts IML things myself all [TS]

  the [TS]

  if it is it is the solution to so many problems [TS]

  now what about airdrop as I know that they've made passing mention john does [TS]

  not work between iOS and Mac and 77 looked much into it yet so yes I one of [TS]

  my most frequent things like I just took a picture of something and I want to get [TS]

  into my computer faster than photostream will do it was deemed myself it's so [TS]

  many people do this anyway so saving data was one thing that I kinda punted [TS]

  on and decided well let's let's see if this thing really justifies more time [TS]

  investment maybe I will investigate doing that and end any other the issue [TS]

  of ok well then like do you hide screenshots that you've dealt with his [TS]

  you can't delete them as far as I know there's no API to delete things from the [TS]

  camera roll from a nap I was probably for the better honestly but either is no [TS]

  API delete things so I can't do that so I could like hide them but then what if [TS]

  you want to see the same screen shot twice then you have to have like some [TS]

  kind of you I for showing hidden items or totaling that the done state and [TS]

  there's all sorts of like little things like that like well if you do this and [TS]

  you have to add this this and this to make good and so that's it ends up like [TS]

  saving data or marking things as dealt with are both bigger topics that I [TS]

  didn't want to dress yet and the other big thing which a few people have [TS]

  requested is the text tool being able to to draw text on the photos and a lot of [TS]

  people have requested this I i back in the days of using sketch and Astronomy [TS]

  Cast Lead I still do use the old version is getting the net but obviously texts [TS]

  is is very nice to have but the problem on iOS basically is its implementation [TS]

  the way out want to do it would be that you are typing directly on the image [TS]

  like you know you pick a place here comes up and you were typing directly [TS]

  onto the image in the big orange filed with the stroke me know exactly as going [TS]

  to look with C wing style like you are typing directly into the image and doing [TS]

  that on iOS in a way that doesn't suck 44 and other reasons do that on iOS is [TS]

  not easy and getting easier version but I still supports 64 the SAPS [TS]

  obviously seventh out yet for the public [TS]

  can't make an app to the App Store that requires iOS 7 so I have to do I still [TS]

  have to do this in a way anyway so doing text right on the image like that would [TS]

  have been at least another day of work probably a couple days to really get it [TS]

  right because there are so many weird little things will text input and I [TS]

  realize that that you know when I would when I would email these things usually [TS]

  I would just whatever commentary a head that required texts I would usually just [TS]

  type it into the email just a subject just here's here's what I'm talking [TS]

  about what the ceremony thing in the screenshot if he needed any texts so I [TS]

  kind of figured that if you know if if most of the sharing targets whatever [TS]

  your gonna do next after you draw the arrow and box on this on the screen shot [TS]

  if the next step in your workflow is going to involve text input which almost [TS]

  all of them do then I kind of figured Texas less important for this out and so [TS]

  i i wouldn't mind adding at some point but I don't think it ever gonna be worth [TS]

  the time to really do it well and i dont wanna do it badly right now to further [TS]

  delay John and make him even more crumbly why not I was seven only I mean [TS]

  obviously if you want to really see why can't all right but why not hold it why [TS]

  not wait will because it's really useful right now as as everyone's apps are [TS]

  breaking under IOUs its including apples and the OS itself it's very useful like [TS]

  that's one of the reasons why I decided to stop right now is because I'm [TS]

  constantly finding you are glitches with seven and whether it's in the OS or [TS]

  other people that's running on seven there's so many problems because there's [TS]

  so many things are different so many the Apple apps are are really rewritten or [TS]

  have you know really kind of rough edges still so it really for this to be most [TS]

  effective for me and I think for a lot of people I really had to get out there [TS]

  and now during the Iowa 7 beta and that's that's why does require 07 busily [TS]

  because I can't alright I'm sorry John please take the floor right so my [TS]

  complaints are you know things that mark [TS]

  do and he already named a couple of the one where you can't drop box inside a [TS]

  box Casey got that will on March 16 2010 wanted to go and the I have had I was [TS]

  thinking of like saving the screenshots and the annotations separately within [TS]

  the apps documents silo basically as a roundabout way to get the same thing you [TS]

  were talking about where you have some sort of process whereby you went through [TS]

  the screenshots and did something with them and then they would go someplace [TS]

  else and they would disappear from the main list and saving annotations in the [TS]

  shot separately would be so that if you change your mind later you hadn't you [TS]

  know that was my solution to highlighting the screenshot that you [TS]

  don't see it on the main screen stylus anymore but you see it in your ones that [TS]

  you've dealt with it when you see it there if you change your mind and wanna [TS]

  reported everything you can add a different set of annotations the same [TS]

  image but anyway you talk about those the ones you couldn't do you put out 101 [TS]

  ready but I know I haven't heard him say I was one of the things I was trying to [TS]

  get one version of this do happen from the device there's no way for me to tell [TS]

  inside your application area at all what version I'm using is there some way in [TS]

  settings I looked I didn't see any way to get a version number out of it [TS]

  the toolbar buttons on top I'm having used iowa's have enough to know if this [TS]

  is accurate but the highlight on unmask down to use yes I was actually just [TS]

  talking to John Gruber about that he complained the same but the same thing [TS]

  and so there there's two problems one is that I did not implement a highlight [TS]

  state and so I'm going to do that and 101 just basically these controls are [TS]

  all mimicking iOS 7 style or not totally ripping off and and and so i i i'm i'm [TS]

  going to do that the holiday but I actually don't know I love to hear from [TS]

  users are from listeners although I probably won't hear it in time before I [TS]

  submit 101 as far and this is a really nitpicking detail but as far as I can [TS]

  tell I can't figure out if there is a good way for you I segmented control [TS]

  which is what this is that this is a real significant role just using you I [TS]

  appearance to customize the way it looks [TS]

  I can't figure out how with you a second control to do the thing where you if you [TS]

  tapped out in drag your finger out and release it doesn't trigger it and I'm [TS]

  using this advertising on sorry but I'm using the the UN control event value [TS]

  changed mode here I tried the the control event touch up inside which is [TS]

  usually how you do that and I didn't work I get it still just fired upon [TS]

  touchdown so I don't really know how to do that I I only spent like two minutes [TS]

  looking at it because it's right before the show so I look at that later but I [TS]

  might not be able to fix that easily will see as a debatable at this point [TS]

  whether it would be more expedient for you to go full picture on it and just [TS]

  drive yourself around wrecked into your own hit testing and like it's definitely [TS]

  not worth it if you're trying to be trying to take segmented control and [TS]

  figure out how to like it there's no event for trying to figure out some way [TS]

  to get his do what you want you could burn a lot of time trying to make the [TS]

  existing at all do what you want and if you had spent that same amount of time [TS]

  simply implementing your own really simple control it might end up being [TS]

  washer but in adult probably also depends on burger because he has a [TS]

  little bit more experience making well on from scratch if I were learned [TS]

  portray would have written this entire UI in OpenGL and implemented every part [TS]

  of you like it in my own awesome better way and spent six months making this a [TS]

  habit but fortunately I can testify that amount of time and I'm not Lauren Berger [TS]

  and so I it would take me way longer than it would take him so unfortunately [TS]

  that's not going to be sure but I am i do I would like to get that detail right [TS]

  about the but the tuck shop and text doesn't do that I was wondering like [TS]

  maybe maybe this doesn't mean you're just faithfully reproducing but I don't [TS]

  know no Google pointed out that on the Notification Center segmented controlled [TS]

  all events or today with a thing on top Notification Center at that behaves [TS]

  properly and what what you guys talking about and so I but I haven't had much [TS]

  time to look at it yet probably right after we record the show I will spend [TS]

  twenty minutes on it and figure out the solution but right now I don't have it [TS]

  and I don't know if it's going to be easier not screen shot list the [TS]

  highlight issues there is that there is no how it just seems the image up and [TS]

  there's no like doing it or doing any sort of highlight to let you know that [TS]

  you might argue like all your finger and the things we've got the full size but [TS]

  the highlight and that's that's interesting that's a collection of that [TS]

  sample collection bureau yeah it is but never used a collection of you so I [TS]

  don't know whether this is the responsibility of the view or more [TS]

  likely it's probably responsibility of the cell to implement that so I will I [TS]

  will look at that and the collection of you can I can tell I'm able to reproduce [TS]

  my should have screenshot of it but I was like I'm sure ability reproduces let [TS]

  me screenshot but now I said we're going to landscaping you go back into you know [TS]

  you go into landscape changes the layout of the thing and then when you go back [TS]

  and departure it briefly it's two columns now goes back to three columns [TS]

  and got stuck me to come for me for a while but then I just filter out the [TS]

  TomorrowNow can get to get stuck with that's that's almost certainly a [TS]

  collection of some kind of probably not your bug but I would watch for it in [TS]

  your travels through the application one of the things I I did that was actually [TS]

  a surprising amount of the of the coding and the getting things wrong and then [TS]

  figure out how to get things right [TS]

  was handling rotation because I didn't want to like so basically the appt only [TS]

  ever-present screenshots full screen at a hundred percent skill there is no [TS]

  assume there is no panning or anything and this was all for simplicity and [TS]

  speed of dealing with it so you know there there is like the whole point is [TS]

  to get in and get out very quickly to do just like any good workflow tool you [TS]

  don't want the tortoise be slowing you down and Sara Lee so the app that the [TS]

  collection the ListView does support rotation but the the drawing viewed as [TS]

  not and so there's all sorts of weird complexity of like well if you're in [TS]

  portrait orientation in the list and you select a landscape screenshot [TS]

  the whole at basically forces itself to be in landscape mode during the editing [TS]

  so you gotta turn the phone on the side and then [TS]

  then once you're done it switches back to landscape if it needs to hospital [TS]

  complexity lebed implementation complexity to to get around the need for [TS]

  resuming and scheduling basically so there's there's a few things about that [TS]

  I'm not a hundred percent happy with one thing I'm not happy with is how images [TS]

  images appear in their native orientation in the list and so if you [TS]

  have a mixture of portrait and landscape screenshots in your camera roll then the [TS]

  layout it really inefficient and gap e and and it just kind of it is kinda [TS]

  doesn't look good and I'm play with different options there I tried some of [TS]

  them during development and I just like any other alternatives to hear here we [TS]

  are at this but the mall to partridge you know I tried that and they were [TS]

  first of all I'm difficulties doing that well but it didn't it didn't look great [TS]

  and interpretation that well its I might revisit that at some point but it was [TS]

  not it was not good I thought that would be the answer but it wasn't my final [TS]

  last week that the first thing I thought of his after I draw these little overlay [TS]

  things particularly arrows can I manipulate them after the fact you can [TS]

  move them but you can't resize them or reorient them after the fact and I would [TS]

  expect anything less we draw little rectangle [TS]

  anchor points in the four corners so I can resize the rectangle and anything [TS]

  with our lets me twisted around and stretched out to make a longer or [TS]

  shorter mean like removing it pretty much solves the problem of like how do I [TS]

  make it a point to something because if you start where I first half of my fat [TS]

  fingers that's not very accurate but if you do it the other way where you'd [TS]

  start with the stem then as I dragged out trying to point to my mother is [TS]

  covering it anyway so there's no good solution that you have to have some [TS]

  after manipulation and you allow moving after which allows you to reorient it [TS]

  but basically if if the overlays were sort of persistently vector shapes [TS]

  instead of being pressurized and just being able to [TS]

  one that actually in the code they are and and the rectangles can be scaled if [TS]

  you picked them the arrows cannot figure out that rectangle thing I spent awhile [TS]

  trying to resize rectangles only mention outside the meeting started in signing [TS]

  us yeah I mean one of the problems is just on the iPhone there really isn't a [TS]

  whole lot of space to do [TS]

  pinching and rotation gestures and it's really really hard to do with any kind [TS]

  of precision the iPhone and iPad of course it's a different story but for me [TS]

  I'm using is mostly on the phone and so you know whatever wherever it may have [TS]

  to work well on the phone for this and so 11 big thing is I don't think well I [TS]

  I tried very briefly in early development having drinks and rotate [TS]

  enabled on on all shapes and it didn't work that well it was very very hard [TS]

  again with precision it was very hard to to do it like or dislike to accidentally [TS]

  or to avoid accidentally rotating something when it was pinching it or [TS]

  like when you combine rotation and scaling simultaneously in the same [TS]

  gesture it it it kind of behavior we're leaving there's this weird edge cases [TS]

  you can get and so they were there were a number of things that just didn't feel [TS]

  good with having that in place you're probably gonna like those old apps where [TS]

  you tap the thing that makes the little anger things appear and then when you [TS]

  select one of the anchors to clear if you're in our rotation and scaling mode [TS]

  and the areas hit areas of increased like it like a full-fledged vector [TS]

  drawing out on the on the iPhone would but also falls under the scope things [TS]

  exactly how you gettin into you know 19 like every one of the things that you [TS]

  had that needs you I and that a lot of times that need state and he said and so [TS]

  they had so much complexity using the app and building the app that yes very [TS]

  very quickly balloons in both scope of development and also just different [TS]

  modes the app can be in different ways it could slow people down or confuse [TS]

  them around after you sell the first 50,000 copies of this app then you're [TS]

  going to get it working on the specialist ok if I myself have two [TS]

  thousand copies I would consider doing that [TS]

  right now and that something like a thousand I think so that's pretty [TS]

  impressive and actually I thought of one other complained that I had when we were [TS]

  when I was looking at it last weekend I apparently am the only person on the [TS]

  planet that like shake to undo because I went to try that and thank you john i [TS]

  complained about it and Marco definitely said in so many words you're insane for [TS]

  even wanting that and I want to say underscore agreed with you but don't [TS]

  recall so apologies underscore if I think we both agreed again apologies if [TS]

  this is wrong David but I think we both agreed that shaking your phone is [TS]

  ridiculous and I should never do anything it is ridiculous but I do if I [TS]

  did try to find myself trying because I do I do I do a lot of times and although [TS]

  shaking is ridiculous it's kind of the Union UIButton for it but you know like [TS]

  maybe it'll work and sometimes it does it makes you feel good when it does even [TS]

  on shaking you know iPod but it certainly is a really interesting [TS]

  exercise in doing a small app and just like you've been discussing this entire [TS]

  time cutting out what you don't need being able to spin a narrower rancor a [TS]

  narrow I think would be nice but to your plane a minute ago if it's not done well [TS]

  its I'd rather not even habit and I've come to that conclusion I think after [TS]

  seeing Apple make that choice so many times like copy copy paste early on in [TS]

  in Ohio West for example so it certainly i i cant say Ive had to use it yet [TS]

  because partly because I'm not going I was seven but it certainly made a lot of [TS]

  sense and I thought it was very intuitive with almost no UI so I thought [TS]

  it was a job well done thank you and you know another issue with adding these [TS]

  things like you know even even when i when i in development briefly had the [TS]

  text tool in the tool bar that gets really crowded really quickly and right [TS]

  now with the cancel button on one side the action but on the other hand the two [TS]

  buttons in the middle on an iPhone in portrait orientation that's pretty much [TS]

  full already and so the question is like you know if i if I wanted to add like a [TS]

  color picker or additional tools text or somebody the changes suggested a [TS]

  like everyday action blur or blackout blackout sensitive information [TS]

  screenshot that's a good idea but like we're gonna go on the interface and you [TS]

  know as soon as I go beyond 1 toolbar than the interview comes a lot bigger [TS]

  and heavier like the whole point of this is to answer it screenshot a hundred [TS]

  percent so there really isn't a whole lot of room to crowd the screen with [TS]

  buttons and stuff and it's just like that were already full like what do you [TS]

  do [TS]

  really it's there's no there's no good option and so a lot of times against her [TS]

  just well you know what it's better to just keep it simple and yet another [TS]

  reason why I didn't really go for more tools is because I think an arrow in a [TS]

  box and that's the essence of this kind to like there are other more specialized [TS]

  things that might be nice like oh maybe you want to draw a circle or an actual [TS]

  rectangle not rounded corners or a triangle if you enter something with a [TS]

  big hollow triangle I'm sure somebody wants to do that and there are cases [TS]

  where more specialized tools would be better but to have a nap and all that [TS]

  stuff in it it very quickly becomes illustrator [TS]

  very different like this show opening was a show opening last week that you [TS]

  threw in there [TS]

  the thing I suggested we were talking about this after last recording session [TS]

  was the like you could you know you've got bak scenario replace box and arrow [TS]

  with the ability to draw free-form with your hand and then and i dont let me [TS]

  just pick color and transparency like pop over lets you pick color and [TS]

  transparency is then you've got reduction circles arrows you know you [TS]

  got my yellow highlighter that I want forty percent transparent yellow like it [TS]

  and you just drop your finger on things and you can make a precise however you [TS]

  can circle things you can read Act things you could square foot squares [TS]

  around things produces a different result than you think you'll see from [TS]

  this where you could nice rounded rectangle and ice are pointing it and [TS]

  stuff maybe it's less precise as well but you would have enough to a bar space [TS]

  for it would be like I guess just 12 about maybe it'd be about 214 color and [TS]

  one for transparency in both on a popover [TS]

  because there's no tool selection the only tool you have is I guess maybe like [TS]

  brush size or something but it would be a different way to go with it instead of [TS]

  vector art go with you know finger painting yeah I mean you can certainly [TS]

  have been like basically a pencil tool would cover a lot of that if you just [TS]

  added a 3rd 2010 was a pencil that would definitely cover a lot of these cases [TS]

  but again as a whole but it does a lot of you I state that you have to add to [TS]

  that then like you know whatever you know once you draw the thing then do you [TS]

  pick the color afterwards or do you try to show the color thing somewhere in the [TS]

  bar somehow space I have no sign of nothing and then the more things to add [TS]

  to the bar even if you can make them fit then they have they have to be smaller [TS]

  each and so then it increases the chance of somebody hitting the wrong thing and [TS]

  being frustrated or doing something I want to do the same replace the box [TS]

  tomorrow with the brush and I mean like 22 replacement things just brushing and [TS]

  transfer it still in some kind of overlay or like dialogue or something to [TS]

  pick the color and the transparency that's too much control to put into a [TS]

  bar but if you but if that's the only thing in the toolbar you've got room for [TS]

  like the one button to pick size and the button to pick color and transparency I [TS]

  guess the pan and scan the check just suggest said zoom would be a handy handy [TS]

  feature the problem with Zuma's it conflicts with gestures for everything [TS]

  else so if you had pinch to zoom for instance then you can no longer pay [TS]

  Shawn erectile to resize it you could be the first iowa's that but the plus [TS]

  button in the car of the year ahead and assume is buying currents plus the [TS]

  ratings out to get you the only I better not the first time sure you're not the [TS]

  person probably use granted analyst and sign on a UIButton [TS]

  zooming in and out all right let's get our first sponsor before I forget to do [TS]

  sponsors this episode [TS]

  our first sponsor is a new sponsor this week it's an iOS game called mind blitz [TS]

  mind blitz is a twist on a traditional memory matching game of football cards [TS]

  and try to remember what cards where they try to pair them up with the [TS]

  matching cards [TS]

  it's like that with action puzzle elements so it's a beautifully designed [TS]

  game they have achievements highscores power-ups penalty cards they have [TS]

  different gameplay modes of the Blitz mode an Endless mode and this is this is [TS]

  really like a very deluxe fancy action version of that old memory card game its [TS]

  mood you flip over two cards match corresponding pairs and you fill up this [TS]

  power meter with every match you make and you get points than you can redeem [TS]

  the points for power cards and an Endless mode the player compete for the [TS]

  fastest time without the worry of a timer or penalty cars just just just [TS]

  fastest time to complete matches and more pure version of the memory game and [TS]

  it's a beautiful design I even had some suggestions for defeat for the developer [TS]

  developer bought the sponsorship of two or three months ago now it is pretty far [TS]

  pretty long ago and I had a few suggestions for like just some of the [TS]

  time in some of the things and sure enough there you know he improved them [TS]

  they're done and then the Aspen is very responsive to suggestions but the app is [TS]

  really really solid I really enjoyed playing it it's a universal app this is [TS]

  mind blitz universal app just two blocks down tonight in the App Store so search [TS]

  the App Store for mind blitz two words or gonna mind blitz after com slash ATP [TS]

  binding you let's play this game right [TS]

  didn't look like this before I was having came out yeah I was always the [TS]

  style it is very Iowa City right down to the icon I think to look at the icon [TS]

  that wouldn't fit in with the chinese of color scheme you know that for the for [TS]

  the standard building icons and I i play games memory games like this with my [TS]

  daughter lot regards to put the physical cards on the ground and get them all set [TS]

  up and I think we actually have an odd number of them so on and Zappos not [TS]

  having a matching setting up the cards and cleaning them like I'm definitely [TS]

  ready to to check into cyberspace and not have to you know what they say in [TS]

  the nineties man or physical stuff everything's good [TS]

  on the interwebs the interwebs back then but anyway they definitely did say jack [TS]

  into cyberspace yeah it's nice not to have the cards on getting it and get it [TS]

  for people who are playing this game by themselves [TS]

  you don't have to wait for the sound to finish playing to go for your next peres [TS]

  so it's possible if you're fast I have a more than two cards visible at a time [TS]

  there for people trying to enjoy it actually wasn't one of my suggestions [TS]

  the developer was in the the mechanics of when you have more than two cars [TS]

  flipped over like how you know whether a match has succeeded or failed and yeah [TS]

  he's very smart really this game is it's a fantastical implementation it really [TS]

  is like a deluxe action card memory game and it's you know it's gonna bring the [TS]

  best of the old with John cyberspace jacking and Gibson's or something [TS]

  goodness now it is it really is a great game and the thing that bothers me about [TS]

  the scheme that which I know I shouldn't complain about sponsors but it's it just [TS]

  proves to me how crummy member he is arable at this game and it's because I [TS]

  have the world's worst memory John how old is your kid that plays game don't [TS]

  even go there six years old I do I'm pretty good maybe I've been home from [TS]

  practice on the rug with this six-year-old I think the thing that [TS]

  really helps this game is the really deep saturated colors they have a lot of [TS]

  times I'm at my color not even helps a lot and there's so many nice little [TS]

  touches there really is a very polished game so alright thanks a lot to mind [TS]

  blitz that in mind blitz app dot com slash ATP or search for mind blitz two [TS]

  words in the App Store $2 universal app great game thanks a lot so another thing [TS]

  I wanted to ask you about mark since apparently this is turning into the [TS]

  market show you've been feeling a lot with network attached storage these days [TS]

  it's pronounced now as it is now how is it different from the thing you're [TS]

  putting in the AM 50 it doesn't need never tell me about what I know you were [TS]

  seeking different options even when we were WBC I remember being in LA [TS]

  for presidio once and you were talking about us I get a Drobo she goes ecology [TS]

  or whatever it's called what did you end up including in-house icon so I should [TS]

  disclose so basically I decided through various research including mentions I [TS]

  decided to go with Scientology center and she did we ever decide what that is [TS]

  and I don't think so [TS]

  the sponsor the shower and then they can send your pronunciation guide ok anyway [TS]

  I'm gonna say scientology that's how I see it in my head so until somebody [TS]

  correct me authority to flee art so anyway I decided to get a psychology and [TS]

  ordered from Amazon and it was like a Saturday night so I had it was gonna [TS]

  ship for like a day and a half or something like that and between Tommy [TS]

  ordered it and when I was going to ship a representative from psychology saw me [TS]

  tweeting about the stuff and offered to get send me the thing for free which is [TS]

  very very nice of them and so i cant and and they were they very generously sent [TS]

  me the one I was going to get for free just so I could have some experience [TS]

  with it and they aren't sponsoring the show but there was a very nice thing to [TS]

  do and so it's worth mentioning that it also obviously is required for probably [TS]

  a sensible disclosure reasons for me to tell you that anyway so I i've i've had [TS]

  a lot of time with it and I still have a lot to do with it I I haven't done that [TS]

  once the speakers like I I thought it up with a whole bunch of like 12 and four [TS]

  terabyte hard drive to have lying around so it's a pretty long time to to alter [TS]

  anything that involves like 12 terabytes of ross go ahead like you know it's the [TS]

  kind of thing you know you are I wanna let me try this volume in this other [TS]

  kind of structure alright star and I'll come back you know midday tomorrow will [TS]

  be done now let me interrupt you I should have asked you to start off what [TS]

  problem or problems were you looking to solve by getting this device that's [TS]

  that's a very good question alright so the main reason I wanted to get into [TS]

  network attached storage is that I've always loved having internal hard drives [TS]

  in the Mac Pro as we talked about this before just like John I love internal [TS]

  drives because what I really really hate more than anything is a desk covered and [TS]

  harder enclosures [TS]

  and his heart of enclosures are terrible and they have usually either really bad [TS]

  cooling or no cooling so it results in either a tiny like forty millimeter [TS]

  readily fan on your desk all the time going and making too much noise or no [TS]

  cooling in the heart of everything dies in a year and a half either way is bad [TS]

  and enclosures are kind of overpriced if you get them empty and if you get them [TS]

  folded like from from people like Mike Seagate Western Digital then they [TS]

  usually have a really kind of oddly cheap construction and just kind of [TS]

  weird it's very hard to get one that's not USB that's that's actually [TS]

  reasonably priced like USB ones are always cheap if you historically if you [TS]

  wanted a good speed have to go like firewire 800 and those are very [TS]

  expensive these days you have Thunderbolt or USB 3 choose from at [TS]

  least usb3 is finally good but anyway I don't like little individual disk [TS]

  enclosures and I don't like having to have my on my desk and having more wires [TS]

  and more things that make noise right in front of me and more power bricks and [TS]

  although I don't forget the stupid power adapter yes everything on the drive [TS]

  seems to have its own cheap little terrible power adapter and brick the [TS]

  United like it's always like a brick and cord hanging from its you've got these [TS]

  bricks littering the floor need to find someplace to put them I just ordered a [TS]

  drive enclosures that were complaining about the way I've been getting these [TS]

  ones from other World Computing but it's really pro yeah they're not my favorite [TS]

  but they're not terrible terrible [TS]

  construction but they're very expensive I don't know I don't like much about [TS]

  them but I have had several of them and unlike almost every other kind of gotten [TS]

  the power brakes have not died so thumbs up on that although they are big and [TS]

  bulky the power brick is the weakest component these things and they guys and [TS]

  then you're just left the diseases they are not got it because I have spare [TS]

  drives hanging around I'm doing lots of Mavericks testing and unlike you know [TS]

  that I could really use one more spare drives and I have the mechanisms I just [TS]

  have to keep likes popping in and out of my Mac Pro and I need to be able to hook [TS]

  it up to a laptop so I just get one more enclosure and I looked around for like a [TS]

  thunderbolt enclosures but it's like now I don't spend that much money just won [TS]

  the promised honorable what we're gonna work on computers that I would need to [TS]

  test by Bob Arnold I'm in the same situation as Marco I like my internal [TS]

  drives and I'm sure what he's leading to is that you know eventually we're going [TS]

  to a computer is probably gonna get the Mac Pro and if we do know that that's [TS]

  exactly it i mean it isn't just about that it's you know if you can move to a [TS]

  world where you don't need a whole bunch of internal drives then you can bet that [TS]

  that enables you to switch to the new Mac Pro if you want to order a laptop [TS]

  full-time or to switch to an iMac that have been discovered in hard drive [TS]

  enclosures like there's there's all sorts of benefits of simplifying it [TS]

  happen adding flexibility to shifting a lot of the stuff to a network attached [TS]

  storage box also just for physical reasons I like not having that crap all [TS]

  over my desk a network attacks now I can put anywhere in the house that has [TS]

  networking which [TS]

  anything really tolerate what you can put it really anywhere for me I like [TS]

  things wire but I got when I had my house attraction I did run cat5 wiring [TS]

  cuts expiring to most of the room so I actually have mine in my butt basically [TS]

  my server closet which is just the closet in my office that I install an [TS]

  outlet to network ports [TS]

  infections but the router and the printer and I like all the crap are you [TS]

  worried about heat inside a closet I was worried it is a very big closet and so [TS]

  and so it basically might my stress test was I feel the psychology with eight [TS]

  discs and had it like restructure the IRA by every bill derailed by replacing [TS]

  with the discs and closed the door and left in July 48 hours and I i came the [TS]

  second open the door and it was it was like one degree hotter than the room [TS]

  next to it so it wasn't it wasn't a meaningful problem I don't think anyway [TS]

  I still like it because it's the closets like 10 feet from my chair I still go [TS]

  over there and we'll walk in periodically to check the temperature to [TS]

  make sure it's not going to hurt but so far it never has so I don't think it's [TS]

  going to be a problem anyway so you know my goal really here was just flexibility [TS]

  and so I can get away from requiring a big hard drive or requiring multiple big [TS]

  hard drives in my main computer because obviously that world is ending in and [TS]

  Max the current Mac Pro is the only one that can do that and it's going to pass [TS]

  even know the retina MacBook Pro doesn't even have to base any more like the old [TS]

  ones you could put you can replace the DVD ROM Drive with a second hard drive [TS]

  bay which I did for a while you could do that you know the new one you can't do [TS]

  that the iMac still has two bays has like a nasty ban and big drive bay but I [TS]

  bet the days of that are fairly number of that goes away probably within three [TS]

  or four years so you know obviously we're moving away from having any kind [TS]

  of replaceable drives in Max let alone multiple base so and again also you know [TS]

  if if you have networked storage then you can also do things like get a [TS]

  religious get an SSD for your only drive in your computer or get a computer as [TS]

  these are the only option and not be too constrained by the size of the SST so [TS]

  all these things very very good very important and very basically it's adding [TS]

  some slight time and investment now to add a lot of flexibility in the future [TS]

  so that's why I decided to do this I done a few things that I do I have time [TS]

  machine running to it right now have the drive is one giant array using their [TS]

  dynamic recent thing which is kinda similar to what drivers do I think I [TS]

  don't know exactly what I'm pretty sure it's the same kind of thing which is [TS]

  it's like a like a software to dynamic raid where it's the kind of doubt be [TS]

  managed storage for you I don't think you have to any kind of direct block [TS]

  access to us they can do that so you can like you can like pop out a small drive [TS]

  and had a bigger drive and expands the array to have more space stuff like that [TS]

  so I tried I'm trying that now joining I don't like about that setup is that it [TS]

  requires all eight discs to be reading and writing whenever anything is [TS]

  accessed and so it's loud and it's keeping all them spend up almost all the [TS]

  time and that's just it is inefficient kind of elegant so I think we're going [TS]

  to do I still have a spare drives lying around that I can I can move stuff [TS]

  around pretty easy going to break that I raped by tomorrow or the next day and [TS]

  split up into like you know one for my Time Machine 14 tests I machine and 14 [TS]

  like our our been archived and maybe that was expendable but I machines are [TS]

  in one big concern here is back up and so you guys both have you both have back [TS]

  please [TS]

  now use crashed I'm really have both really curious what do you what's your [TS]

  split their John Lee what do you see them for my computers back plays my [TS]

  wife's is crashed and that's more redundancy ICM yeah basically like I I [TS]

  got back players years ago I don't even know around at least I didn't know about [TS]

  and when it came time to get it back up things from my stand like you know what [TS]

  modern I get a different one mostly just like crash-landed to be getting good [TS]

  reviews and I want to give it a try and if it if it's way better than elsewhere [TS]

  and it's basically been awash like it never changes in suspenders to both so I [TS]

  just a little too having two different ones and yeah probably be cheaper for me [TS]

  to consolidate on one but I like having two different ones and her computers all [TS]

  SSD business meeting disc so any problems from like in efficiencies due [TS]

  to a job or something I assume they're being masked by her by her philosophy [TS]

  set up and so I'm happy with that there and I'm happy with this year and so I [TS]

  just sticking with it for now I mean for me i i actually I have both also but I [TS]

  CrashPlan I basically bought for my mom's computer [TS]

  and what one tonight about it as I get emails you like it weekly I think report [TS]

  of your backup status so I can tell like it my mom's computer hasn't backed up in [TS]

  two months I can tell you I should probably fix that somehow next time I go [TS]

  see her or call her and tell her how to fix it so it's nice when you like when [TS]

  you want to be update on the status of things it is very very nice for that but [TS]

  my promise CrashPlan is that from my house it's just extremely slow to upload [TS]

  I've seen so many people online talking about similar problems with the crash my [TS]

  particular it seems like a pretty widespread issue that even though I have [TS]

  this massive upstream pipe they can only use like 2.1 mega bits of it and I tried [TS]

  all their tips every like all their things like turn off encryption or [TS]

  changes buffer size or changes none of them had any effect on that cap and they [TS]

  just seems like it just depends on like whatever CrashPlan notice nearest to you [TS]

  you know whatever you get assigned to like it [TS]

  some of them are just slow are overcrowded and some of them are in so I [TS]

  i Paisley can use crash myself every time I looked into that it's come down [TS]

  to like you know it's like your distance from the data center that is [TS]

  transferring 7 into its like geography where Peter on what the what the route [TS]

  is to the server your eventual connecting to and so like it's hard to [TS]

  some people seldom ensuring a crash now but maybe CrashPlan CrashPlan know that [TS]

  you're going to do is way closer to you has better connection than the Backblaze [TS]

  when you are known to be tried for me it's about even for both or neither one [TS]

  of them never fills my connection just because it's big but I get better than [TS]

  to make it but somebody like 67 and varies sometimes up to nine and [TS]

  Backblaze CrashPlan maybe a little bit slower but i dont watching closely [TS]

  because really it's not like once you get caught up in that it doesn't run for [TS]

  more than 20 minutes every nite Brite you know that you didn't get good [TS]

  speeches crash man because a friend of mine had recommended Carbonite and I [TS]

  tried that it was going to take about seven years for all made it up and then [TS]

  I tried CrashPlan in this was my first upload I wanna say like year year and a [TS]

  half ago maybe more than that [TS]

  and it pretty much maxed my line for like a day and a half or something like [TS]

  that now it could be that they're using a data center in Ashburn which is in [TS]

  northern virginia which is only a couple hours drive from where we are and that [TS]

  would be somewhat significant for both of you guys I I that's complete [TS]

  speculation I have no idea if that's right or not but I think johnnie nailed [TS]

  it when you say it was luck of the draw and transplant work for me and and had a [TS]

  really good upload speed although they have a god-awful user interface and it's [TS]

  all java-based like I said I hate it but the upload speeds were good and [TS]

  everything else seems to work reasonably well and I do like getting those updates [TS]

  so that's how I landed on crashed plane but it was mostly about upload speed [TS]

  which is funny that you said it was terrible for you and I was sitting there [TS]

  going to this because he's gonna talk about how online services view his nasty [TS]

  weather is terrible her back up or not right yet exactly and because that's the [TS]

  back please I i've used back plz from my computer and discs computer for about [TS]

  three years now [TS]

  something like that and and we have like a total of about 3 terabytes backed up [TS]

  between the two computers to it and it's fine I restored couple files from here [TS]

  and there and it works so you know I like that was a lot of that place does [TS]

  not backup network drives now I've heard I haven't tried this in mind I think I [TS]

  might play with this I've heard that if you mount it over i skazhi that because [TS]

  I skazhi is kind of treated by the OS as a local [TS]

  attacks disc apparently backless can't tell the difference but I haven't [TS]

  confirmed this yet and so anyway apparently if you mount I suppose he [TS]

  drives it will back those up but that was my question about you mentioned [TS]

  doing time machine to it is that's one of those things where they're like well [TS]

  not officially supported by Apple but then as manufacturing figures out how to [TS]

  make their thing work and every time there's an OS update your way for the [TS]

  the NASA thing today to work with it that maybe they certainly they have in [TS]

  implementing their software they have some kind of Time Machine server and it [TS]

  does work I don't know if Apple has documented this in any way probably not [TS]

  like nasa's I'm doing that since time machine has existed in every time [TS]

  there's an update you [TS]

  has one of these things who isn't XIV's I call my thing broke wise you mean you [TS]

  have to understand like they're they're making it work and it's not a big deal [TS]

  but it's big enough deal that Apple's not being careful to make sure they [TS]

  don't break it every OS update especially major OS updates and so [TS]

  that's why I would be leaning towards like that's why I've been worried about [TS]

  an ass because direct attached storage particularly like direct SATA storage or [TS]

  just like right in there is the most problem-free way to time she even [TS]

  external firewire I find ever so slowly slipped later than internal internal [TS]

  drug use my wife has fire although with her system who knows it could be the [TS]

  Thunderbolt bridge and stuff like that but I have a big firewire drive attached [TS]

  her occasional time machines will in Syria I says he would fix that problem [TS]

  like it still have to get the iSCSI initiator to work on the new version of [TS]

  its ok we'll find a time machine is finally that but the ice co-driver work [TS]

  with maverick's for example on how long you have to wait for them to update the [TS]

  iSCSI driver how reliable the right those are the details you know even [TS]

  somewhat I guess super-duper doesn't care one of us in a position to test the [TS]

  Jon Stewart I guess I could have a verizon like that that's why I suppose [TS]

  like if you if you run with the setup for a while you're like ok well you know [TS]

  whatever they did time machine works fine then presumably eventually upgrade [TS]

  to Mavericks is that ok what time she looks like a super duper do it and and [TS]

  crash-landed whatever season backs it up then I'll be fine I won't be I won't be [TS]

  that scared to do but I wouldn't want to be the one to find out by buying the big [TS]

  expensive nasa and trying to get my run backup regime to work with it why I [TS]

  think I could always fall back on I skazhi [TS]

  assuming you don't like let's let's say I haven't even touched the same average [TS]

  comes out and it breaks the psychology time machine thing and doesn't fix [TS]

  itself as unlikely I think because one of the reasons why I picked them is [TS]

  because they're very active and development they have a lot of users [TS]

  they have a huge community of people who use and love these things I have never [TS]

  seen a storage product very rarely seen any computer products at all that had [TS]

  such a universal acclaim as Scientology nasa's like when I asked about the [TS]

  everybody on Twitter love them and there was like there was zero reports of [TS]

  anything bad I was shocked how how positive the response was and they [TS]

  really are pretty on the ball with with software updates as they were going to [TS]

  update now and and there's so much like user creates offer you can run out they [TS]

  have a whole package store you can browse and stuff i mean it's it's pretty [TS]

  advanced and it seems like they're on the ball that's what you want you don't [TS]

  want the manufacturer that nobody's using this because that that's I think [TS]

  more likely to be the one where some OS update comes out and break something [TS]

  that you relied on and just never fixed you know if you're if you're with like [TS]

  the big diamond player one of the dominant players your way more likely [TS]

  not to have those problems or more likely to head is probably be fixed [TS]

  sooner in most cases the thing is running FreeBSD thing and there it's [TS]

  some kind of Linux or BSD thing it's and it has like it has an Intel Atom [TS]

  processor I believe its x86 64 bucks I was pretty impressed by a dual-core to [TS]

  hit you get hurt and he has four gigs around as it has pretty good hardware in [TS]

  it and you could try but you can if you want you can directly install crash plan [TS]

  on it and so I tried to see if there would be any better and it wasn't but [TS]

  it's like the instructions are you SSH into it I for sure going able as a safe [TS]

  haven to it and you like manually down this package for W get everything and so [TS]

  you can do pretty much everything you can do with a low-powered Linux box [TS]

  right on the things that he was a does it have built in stuff like this have a [TS]

  deal on a server and it does yeah there's so many things I i've i've [TS]

  barely scratched the surface it has it has DLNA it has iTunes sharing and again [TS]

  I'm sure that's some kind of undocumented or unsupported API but it [TS]

  does have a good idea but I haven't even I've been using the stuff that I have [TS]

  any time to play with it all yet because thats though is that like once ago nasa [TS]

  like well [TS]

  why don't I just get a full-fledged get a Mac Mini and hook up like a big raid [TS]

  attachment to it and then you could i mean there's there's no one of the big [TS]

  reasons for me honestly was simplicity of devices and also costs because this [TS]

  thing retails for like 1100 bucks and this is at the high end was that the TSA [TS]

  1813 plus model it's fairly new and eight days there's a five-day version [TS]

  that's significant lessening its 900 or $800 and then you can get Leah basically [TS]

  it's the more base you want the more expensive it is but you know once you [TS]

  put together the cost of a Mac Mini even in a low-end used one Mac minis aren't [TS]

  that cheap because everybody has some kind of used they could they have 41 so [TS]

  like you can't really buy a Mac Mini for less than about 500 bucks thats any good [TS]

  at all and and so you know you throw in like a $500 or more mac many give it you [TS]

  know some kind of connection once you add like a big enclosure that has you [TS]

  know for 28 days and had to be fast gonna have to be probably thunderbolt [TS]

  and so that's going to be really expensive if you don't care about it [TS]

  being fast that much you probably at least wanted to be Firewire 800 USB 30 [TS]

  it's still you're still talking a lot of cotton you have two things you have two [TS]

  power bricks have two things in your closet and then you have like the cost [TS]

  savings really is pretty minimal that point or it's going that way so I I [TS]

  looked at that stuff but I multi drive high-speed enclosures are really [TS]

  expensive you'd end up going something like that anyway but the true Greek way [TS]

  to do which neither one of us probably feels like we have time or inclination [TS]

  to do is you know one of the FreeNAS things make your own CFS nasa out of [TS]

  your own BSD box and a bunch of devices and give us a really cool and I like I [TS]

  I'm a big fan of people wonder why don't build my own [TS]

  you know like it that I I would love for someone to make that product for me to [TS]

  buy but I'm not gonna spend time doing tough times I'm description I started on [TS]

  my storage to be bulletproof problem-free supported by companies like [TS]

  this analogy sounds like it is preferred to be from Apple because then it's like [TS]

  all one big thing and I would pay whatever crazy but then that they're not [TS]

  into making stories though honestly if Apple did make one of these I probably [TS]

  still wouldn't get theirs because it would be some kind of like side project [TS]

  for them didn't really care that much about it so it probably be very good but [TS]

  they like the Xserve RAID exactly yeah they did make something like this and [TS]

  it's something they no longer make it for very good reason and also one big [TS]

  advantage the psychology has also build your own thing is that it's really quiet [TS]

  because it has these two giant [TS]

  there probably about ninety two millimeter size fans they're they're big [TS]

  slow powerful fans alike and most they're very quiet like I when I first [TS]

  got the thing I just had it next my computer like on a table here so I was [TS]

  still configuring it still putting drugs in a figure out of setting up here and I [TS]

  move into the closet like in a couple days once all set up and I was shocked [TS]

  how quiet it was the drives make all the noise the fans are almost inaudible like [TS]

  it was quite the Mac Pro and Mac Pros despite a lot of complaining about it i [TS]

  think is a pretty quiet computer especially definitely is it ever owned a [TS]

  jihad ya so you know it really is I mean he basically is just an embedded [TS]

  computer with a bunch of days and some custom custom software but it really is [TS]

  a very very nice implementation of that and so once you throw in how nice it is [TS]

  how flexible is how much you can do and how it's very cost competitive with [TS]

  building your own I don't think there's much reason to build your own honest [TS]

  unless you have very specialized needs that you can't get with somebody else [TS]

  attractions through NASA's that I wouldn't have to have it in the same [TS]

  room as experienced than I probably didn't care who knows it is because [TS]

  you're at like the drives and I now pronounce you drive is [TS]

  and even if you have a family device which were not being very smart drugs [TS]

  make noise so I that's why I don't want to buy the new Apple router thing with [TS]

  the fan and it I wouldn't by the time capsule has a fan [TS]

  yes they all have found a know that the time capsule ones have fans and even the [TS]

  ones without the time kept this is the same case likely leave it empty but they [TS]

  all have fan so I don't ya like this weird vertical are you a telephone booth [TS]

  think so I was thinking about buying that goes out and having some range [TS]

  issues avoid Springs issues with the current one which is in the [TS]

  aforementioned closet so the family that much but still that sucks that it has a [TS]

  fan of a drug [TS]

  generation Apple TV had a family people to know that ya know but it was just [TS]

  really really quiet most of the time yeah there was like a Mac Mini the first [TS]

  generation opportunity yeah like a very very low spectral I got super hot even [TS]

  with the yes it really did it go back a step why wouldn't you just drop like an [TS]

  AirPort Express or another Airport Extreme in a different part of the house [TS]

  of the houses are wired with cat 6 basically complexity and interference by [TS]

  I had that setup in in a couple of apartments before about it before but [TS]

  the house cos a lot of all departments have very very severe brings problems [TS]

  because of what's in the laws that sold you know metal sheeting and brick and [TS]

  stuff that so that is not very radio friendly and into apartments I had had [TS]

  like the airport extreme as the home base station then like a little Airport [TS]

  Express usually wired LAN cables from the kitchen and it never worked that [TS]

  well like sometimes sometimes your devices would pick the wrong one and [TS]

  then the connection with you really bad and they wouldn't switch the other one [TS]

  even though it would have better reception and I did you have it set up [TS]

  with like that fancy at WDS Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeahs AWS is not just an apple [TS]

  thing but it but Apple has like if you use all Apple stuff makes it a lot [TS]

  easier to use [TS]

  and yeah I tried that and it really didn't didn't it didn't do much it [TS]

  wasn't very good so if that's your only option to get good range then you know [TS]

  do you do but if if there's any other like if you just buy a better router and [TS]

  have better range from one router that's a better way to go said I'll cover your [TS]

  area [TS]

  all right we should have a second sponsor is related to everything we've [TS]

  been talking about can take a guess is it while transporting it is it is filed [TS]

  transporter so she did I new rules I really you look to move but I at least I [TS]

  Festa so this fits in with a lot of just saying how transporter that's a bunch of [TS]

  their practice called transporter transporter is an off cloud peer-to-peer [TS]

  storage drive to privately sharing accessing and protecting your files so [TS]

  what does all that mean its design with your modern socialist I'll mind [TS]

  transporter is an enclosure a drive enclosure with or without a drive you [TS]

  can supply your own you can buy one directly from them it's an enclosure [TS]

  that looks pretty cool with a network port in the back so it is basically an [TS]

  ass enclosure but with special software that allows you to do some special [TS]

  things so one thing is they integrate directly into finder and very similar to [TS]

  how Dropbox integrates and you can use it in a way that you would use Dropbox [TS]

  where you have a special sync folder and you have finder integration with you [TS]

  know right click links and sharing stuff like that but all this data is stored on [TS]

  that physical device that you own on that physical hard drive sitting in your [TS]

  house somewhere your office and so it is a sitting on someone else's servers [TS]

  it you know huge security implications their huge ownership implications there [TS]

  and you can still you can if you have multiple transfer devices let's say your [TS]

  friend has one where you have one at home and one at work you can selectively [TS]

  share files or folders between any two transport of any number of transporters [TS]

  with only two people you select so it's nice and secure end-to-end encryption [TS]

  with all communication over the Internet so all the data can be read by nobody in [TS]

  transit and if you have multiple transporters they will automatically [TS]

  sync the shareholders to each other so you really get a lot of that Dropbox [TS]

  like functionality lot of that convenience of cloud storage without [TS]

  having to have your day to be held by somebody else and not to mention that [TS]

  you can get a heck of a lot more space on this thing you can get from Dropbox [TS]

  WAY WAY cheaper so just you some idea for you to the end at a price in any way [TS]

  these things are really affordable so the empty enclosure the transporter you [TS]

  supply any two and a half in charge drive its 200 bucks you can get a one [TS]

  terabyte drive Milton for a total of 300 bucks or two terabyte for 400 bucks and [TS]

  if you use our coupon could code ATP in their store you can save 10% that's [TS]

  that's 40 bucks off the big one that's that's that's a big chunk of money so [TS]

  you can look at these things that file transporter dot com if you have a file [TS]

  transfer to a concise ATP don't know you came from us that's file transfer to a [TS]

  concise ATP so what else is this do so you can have automatic offsite backup [TS]

  that's a huge you said you're just talking about about you know now [TS]

  actually asked me to revisit the topic will be at the show just talking about [TS]

  how how the heck do you backup network attached storage which transporter [TS]

  that's a really great option if you buy two of them you put one in your house [TS]

  and one in your office or your friends house your parents house or something [TS]

  maybe geographically far away then you can have these things automatically back [TS]

  up to each other all the time and so you have a pic of a constant offsite backup [TS]

  in real time and again everything is encrypted end-to-end so it's really [TS]

  really secure and it's also great for collaboration between people let's say [TS]

  let's say you know john Kasay up to some of their audio files after every show we [TS]

  do if we were all using transporters working on but we're all using [TS]

  transporters then we just have this one shared folder and run could just drop [TS]

  their audio and shared folder and just sinks everywhere [TS]

  using direct traffic between our devices and and nobody in the middle able to [TS]

  read the data including the NSA or anybody else and that's unlikely this is [TS]

  pretty good encryption [TS]

  and so you can have this this awesome collaboration with very large files that [TS]

  would be prohibitive on the services or would be just really really expensive or [TS]

  just not allowed to wouldn't fit this is it's a really great solution here for [TS]

  collaboration for sharing if you want to have like you know what your parents or [TS]

  one of your house and you then you can have like a shared photo directory so [TS]

  you can take pictures or videos of the kids and have your parents or [TS]

  grandparents you them all sorts of uses for this kind of thing [TS]

  confidential documents there's just so many uses for having your own personal [TS]

  physical ownership of a device that is still easily accessible and shareable in [TS]

  the cloud so that's transporter this is a really great products great idea jack [TS]

  is guys out [TS]

  file transporter dot com slash ATP they know you came from us help support the [TS]

  show and check out their product if you buy one use coupon code ATP all [TS]

  lowercase save 10% off their already very great prices so and also by the way [TS]

  those prices before I forget there is no monthly fee to use all these different [TS]

  internet connected services so sharing services the Managed like you you don't [TS]

  have to have your own like dynamic DNS thing in the middle so that you can find [TS]

  transporter they have a server that manage all the stuff for you they keep [TS]

  track of you know the IP for your device so everything just you know you don't [TS]

  have to worry about all that but is no monthly fee for that if you could buy [TS]

  the device lifetime access to the server is included so go to File Transfer dot [TS]

  com slash ATP to learn more about this device there's so much as this is the [TS]

  third sponsorship everyone i've i've barb different things that there's so [TS]

  much to talk about this device really check this thing out it's it's it's a [TS]

  great device lot of uses and very unique I don't have anything else in the [TS]

  industry that's like this so check them out thanks a lot to transporter for [TS]

  sponsoring the show you know what it is if you didn't want to go the nuclear [TS]

  option of like a Synology or scientology wherever we're calling it or Drobo but [TS]

  you still wanted a fairly [TS]

  really cheap but not bad cheap good cheap [TS]

  network attached storage that actually does more than just sit there on your [TS]

  own network that you can never accessed from anywhere else this is your ultimate [TS]

  answer not been using one that that they sent me which was very nice of them and [TS]

  and I really really like it it really is really nice yeah it's it's you know I [TS]

  don't think it has to be this is one of the reasons why I'm comfortable talking [TS]

  about this in the middle of an ass discussion I don't think it has to be [TS]

  mutually exclusive between this and an ass I think this is these are these are [TS]

  different you know that's true you're right you know like I think I think a [TS]

  lot of people are going to be fine with one or the other but a lot of looking to [TS]

  use both its it really is about what your use case here and and the transfer [TS]

  does things that I don't think I don't know of any in a state that does similar [TS]

  things and it's all very integrated and everything and and it really is a very [TS]

  unique device and very cool alright so back to our nasa backup question I hope [TS]

  this isn't too boring so quickly [TS]

  basically Backblaze won't backup network attacks drives they might be nice cozy I [TS]

  don't know that eventually if I ever tried my fear with us cuz he is as we [TS]

  said before I'm worried about like you know what if the next version of OS 10 [TS]

  comes out and there's only as far as I know two major iSCSI initiators for it [TS]

  there is a global San and a doe and the global 2013 @ as 200 bucks I think [TS]

  they've named Ian super duper lame which is an awesome app for cloning drives and [TS]

  backing up he strongly recommended the $200 at 01 he said it's significantly [TS]

  better and that he's seen a lot of people have trouble with the global [TS]

  salmon I have tried either them yet but he is pretty qualified to know things [TS]

  like storage and people having trouble from Max using hard drive so the guy who [TS]

  makes super duper knows that stuff pretty well I would imagine his support [TS]

  email alone is a vast treasure trove of Mac storage related issues [TS]

  I'm inclined to try the other one but then again it's like you know what [TS]

  happens if if they break this then you can access your your shares your drives [TS]

  your time machine so I'm a little wary about that you know Windows I believe [TS]

  for a long time now for a couple of versions has supported the initiation [TS]

  just in windows and I don't think we know why Apple doesn't do it and Mac OS [TS]

  10 except they just haven't cared yet are having a time it really know the [TS]

  reason I admit I soon as Noah couillard patent issues or anything but whatever [TS]

  reason Apple doesn't support direct yes you have to have these third-party [TS]

  things and obviously these are probably kernel level extensions and that's kind [TS]

  of questionable I don't know John anything about that stuff I preferred [TS]

  around no third-party current like sentence if I can help it at all I can [TS]

  get back to the old Mac Pro again that was the beauty of the thing like that's [TS]

  why I would buy the biggest video because I didn't wanna buy an [TS]

  aftermarket video card after day with the video drivers who knows how that [TS]

  would fight house so I totally on board with tea and I slowly weaned myself off [TS]

  every other one of the memory resident hacking things like the various [TS]

  application enhancer and simple plug-in stuff like that like I'm just trying to [TS]

  get that stuff out so I'm really hesitant to bring anything else like [TS]

  that especially something for storage and you know maybe it was officially [TS]

  support about like that seem like you know fusion drive like apple says you [TS]

  know not really technically supporter to make your infusion drugs but it totally [TS]

  is likely until his Apple don't command line utilities and yet I still feel [TS]

  weary that someone at Apple is now cuing the setup that I've created with my [TS]

  external drive because it's not part of their QA automation and they're going to [TS]

  actually break into not know it's not going to be the poor sucker that finds [TS]

  out so yeah I'm not I'm not a big fan of the idea of ICICI [TS]

  it sounds like you'll be awesome in practice now for our network share has [TS]

  only really one computer connects it responsibly at a time but but you know [TS]

  certainly for each of our computers time machines that would be perfect it's it's [TS]

  not a technology [TS]

  like it's it's the fact that Apple and the United assaulted by driving a client [TS]

  issue [TS]

  yeah and yeah I'm with you I really makes me very uncomfortable to have to [TS]

  rely on or even have installed any third-party kernel extension they really [TS]

  were not to order to minimize them so I'm probably gonna keep with the the the [TS]

  possibly have to network setup they have a meeting that the Mac OS 10 / Time [TS]

  Machine server or time capsule server thing and does it work so far you know [TS]

  I'll see I see in practice but I'll see so many wait for backup obviously [TS]

  backing up your time machine drive to a cloud service is probably not necessary [TS]

  I might even be problematic because of its structure so I don't I don't back up [TS]

  to closer but there was an article I don't know it it's probably out of date [TS]

  now I was trying to find it during during this question before the [TS]

  sponsorship there is an article somewhere and loved licking I can find [TS]

  it [TS]

  that compared all of the popular online backup services and how they handle Mac [TS]

  file system metadata was from the arc powers and yes one basically yeah but I [TS]

  can't I can't find the right now somebody finds it up on the show [TS]

  complaining but that for years first in the back plays in the CrashPlan you know [TS]

  it's a very pretty but trivial to create a file of the month of Dec specific [TS]

  metadata and backing up in bringing back down and see how much of your lost and [TS]

  practiced mostly doesn't matter but it's like after a certain number years [TS]

  especially if you're pitching your product to Mac users should you know and [TS]

  back please to its credit has got a lot better since the way it started years [TS]

  and years ago but I think are still the only 100% yeah that wouldn't surprise me [TS]

  at all because our kids like you know back please CrashPlan both have these [TS]

  kind of job a heavy API's I don't know that please actually is jobs jobs it's [TS]

  not a good it's only gonna face though the settings pane I really don't care [TS]

  for for back please [TS]

  it's better than than the Java thing from carbon from CrashPlan but it's not [TS]

  grade I've had some weird like we're DUI issues with it over time we're like [TS]

  it works and the data is backed up but sometimes the us-led confusing or clunky [TS]

  so not not a huge fan of Barclays Center phase but our kids like a real knack [TS]

  made by a real Mac nerd who obviously like is really into getting getting it [TS]

  very Mac native and getting that right and and so i i i really respect that and [TS]

  and that's obviously one of the reasons why he cares so much about getting the [TS]

  getting all the Mac metadata right anyway it's kinda like something that [TS]

  you could talk to Danny about because of the cases with the esoteric Mac metadata [TS]

  it's not so much that as a crash man like isn't doing it because of some [TS]

  technical reason lot of times like a policy is alright well this thing has [TS]

  ACL and but it's mounted with permissions you know with a bit the [TS]

  permissions off type of thing I like you don't even sure what the right thing to [TS]

  do is like what you idea should I attached to this if it's mounted with [TS]

  permissions often see that as an ACL on it as well like you don't even know what [TS]

  the right thing to do is to like what what does this person want and when they [TS]

  restore it [TS]

  the environment could be totally different things could have shifted like [TS]

  it's not you know it's not always clear what you should be doing so I think a [TS]

  lot of these dudes bigger backup things like look we can't even figure out what [TS]

  to do with that thing so we're just going to you know we're just gonna drop [TS]

  in on table and make sure that it really like ownership is an obvious one likes a [TS]

  you back up something and you delete that account and someone else comes on [TS]

  account of the same UID like it you have to just forget about it should be like [TS]

  NFS you know oo uu idea that the matter you need some sort of directory service [TS]

  or some sort of triggering a file to map your UID like it's not there's no real [TS]

  distributed identification internetwire identification and you ideas or so like [TS]

  a certain number I could not a good way you know some of the policy decisions [TS]

  surrounding ownership or any other kind of metadata associated files is [TS]

  difficult and people just want to work there is one that dated back so I go [TS]

  with this didn't exactly preserve its not exactly the way it was when I put it [TS]

  up you know what's different about the ownership change you probably don't care [TS]

  that much and less like one of things to say to you I D routine that your [TS]

  application [TS]

  busy trying to restore its terrible naturally it wouldn't be a complete [TS]

  discussion of stories that a Syracuse deposit plane anyways so my backup [TS]

  solution for the NASA is time machine I don't back up to the cloud because you [TS]

  know of issues and the network shares have created right now I'm using arc on [TS]

  the Mac to backup via the network amount to Amazon glacier in Glacier for those [TS]

  unfamiliar is kind of like s3 in that it's an Amazon storage service that you [TS]

  can access to pay per use but doesn't me working like s3 it it's made for like [TS]

  long-term archival storage of stuff that you probably will never have to look at [TS]

  and if you do every look at it you know you don't mind it being delayed by like [TS]

  five hours to go retrieve it and so from him back a lot of sense in a number of [TS]

  ways is a few weird things about to make it a little inconvenient but the great [TS]

  thing about it is it's dirt cheap it's my believe it's a cent per gig per month [TS]

  something like that so back to a terabyte like 10 bucks a month so it so [TS]

  much that it isn't your right but it's way cheaper than s3 which I believe the [TS]

  bay tree for s3 is still eight cents exerts like you know eight times cheaper [TS]

  something like that was a non-starter back when it came out it was just [TS]

  exactly like five terabytes up on this free online free these these five [TS]

  dollar-a-month online backups or whatever is out now and so yeah that's [TS]

  too much for me exactly so [TS]

  and CrashPlan the reason I try to the CrashPlan does the back of network stuff [TS]

  we tell it to and as far as I can tell that doesn't appear so it's going to [TS]

  change anytime soon that's it's actually as their official policy to backup [TS]

  network stuff so backwards onto the CrashPlan so far will if you can [TS]

  tolerate their slipstream if you have that problem from your connection and [TS]

  arc will do it directly to s3 or glacier which is awesome and very nicely [TS]

  integrated but has high storage costs per month relative to their services so [TS]

  there's there's no perfect solution for most people for me I'm I'm using glacier [TS]

  through arc and it's going to end up being something like you know 10 or 15 [TS]

  bucks a month for from I for one am putting up there so I'll see that's when [TS]

  doing so far it's worked I uploaded the whole set already there so far and so [TS]

  far so good this number of other advantages to arc as well we talked [TS]

  about this in more detail on slavery shouldn't talk about it more details [TS]

  sometime but one one of the cool things about our kids that so it's it's storing [TS]

  data on Amazon s3 or glacier which are these these services that like you know [TS]

  you kind of control because it's you use of services and then it's your access [TS]

  keys that using to access the stuff and put it up there so you can always use [TS]

  any other s3 client or access method and look at your data directly yourself [TS]

  without involving arc and then they're the data front of actually documented [TS]

  that the data format and they even have a open source get hub restore tool so [TS]

  that you can always look and see like how do you restore data so if if parts [TS]

  maker haystacks offer if they ever go away or become dicks or something you [TS]

  can always go and just get your data off there and we know without being [TS]

  proprietary locked into someone else's ever so there's a number of cool things [TS]

  about it as long as you can swallow that that much higher storage costs than the [TS]

  other options which is admittedly a pretty big problem for a lot of data [TS]

  that's what you get this happens I actually don't have any particular thing [TS]

  to add on that I mean I'd love to get something like that but to be honest my [TS]

  data storage needs just aren't that big I don't I don't generate that much [TS]

  stayed with the kid we don't have fancy cameras so for me it's just not a need I [TS]

  happen jaan I would assume you up at least a couple questions I mean hi I [TS]

  don't know what I'm going to do [TS]

  when I get my fancy new Mac Pro I think about why do I have a stated that these [TS]

  stupid dream that I've had since I had mac 120 ok with a floppy drive has been [TS]

  every time I get a new computer young storage space was going up so much like [TS]

  on this new computer I'll be able to fit everything from my old computer plus all [TS]

  the stuff I have like that I had to take off I'll computer kazan fit like so that [TS]

  box a floppy disk hard drive like I had a bunch of stuff I can't put on the hard [TS]

  drive is not that important old stuff not really into but I have to put on the [TS]

  side black boy I get that nixon Peter I'll be able to have all my current [TS]

  stock plus everything for my entire lifetime visit so small how big was the [TS]

  stuff that was on my not going to indicate how big was the stuff of it on [TS]

  my Mac plus you know and like it so tiny compared to you know it's like that [TS]

  hockey stick graph of the iPhone sales like this new hard drive or hold [TS]

  everything I have now put everything I've ever created my entire life right [TS]

  and that has never quite been the case for example like I have an external one [TS]

  terabyte here just holding WotC videos like the past three years so I guess I [TS]

  want to reference someone already married you and I couldn't put them on [TS]

  my main drive to put them on my main drive they'll start to go into my backup [TS]

  for tanks and my main drive is also ever so slightly bigger than my other backup [TS]

  ones and so on a dream like I won't be able to make the super duper clones I [TS]

  doubt that exclude you know it's just easier to get them out of there I have [TS]

  stuff back up on drives are shaped like all my Apple videos and I could do I [TS]

  need to do any really need to see the videos from David Oct 2003 do I need [TS]

  those to be on my harddrive know I probably don't support them off and so I [TS]

  keep thinking and stuff and come on guys WBC 2003 of your time to be on the hard [TS]

  drive it just because it's convenient for me to get out that you know [TS]

  sometimes I just want i dont wanna go rummaging through things and figure out [TS]

  what disc something was on I just want it all to be there right to maybe then [TS]

  asked if he knew that cycle off on their complete 12 terabytes surely I can fit [TS]

  everything in there [TS]

  and then I won't feel guilty about having just kick the puck gigs and gigs [TS]

  of Apple videos and whatever else in there and I mean freedom I know that [TS]

  people are likely to have tons and tons of both legal and illegal like movies [TS]

  and stuff I don't even do that only blu-rays DVDs I do not meddle versions [TS]

  of those entering that ever happened just talk about my digital crap I would [TS]

  just like maybe at this point [TS]

  hundred gig so photos + probably more than that how I have more Apple video [TS]

  than I do [TS]

  pictures of my own children at this point the promise WRC 2013 2013 is like [TS]

  1080p video and something big [TS]

  yeah well you can download res but still it is even when I was 10 per session or [TS]

  something i dont must consider down low res my college grad later when you have [TS]

  three but you have your three paragraph petabyte holographic you be like that I [TS]

  should do nothing now compared to my holographic you know my role is like you [TS]

  know if it's something that can be probably easily free download it from [TS]

  somewhere in the future I don't need to even store it most of time if I do [TS]

  choose a story I don't need to back that up to two more than just like you know [TS]

  like fun as has its own built-in grade level to prevent against some of those [TS]

  some of those failures and Time Machine is a little level but like you know I [TS]

  don't need to know so I cloud backup to BBC videos [TS]

  thing is I don't assume that I can re-download you know like I assume don't [TS]

  like go and just look at their stupid developer documentation you every single [TS]

  day to release those things brakes on my car forget I'm never gonna be able to [TS]

  get the video guy got a grab them now and you know and that's it [TS]

  there I'm never going to find them again for me it's like like some of the stuff [TS]

  like Apple has their the Apple Keynote podcast feed the Apple special event for [TS]

  Apple Keynote something like that [TS]

  multiple feeds the HTC One right which is not confusing at all right and [TS]

  attorney to people in many cases just upscale anyway so so those I save all [TS]

  those and I have those in like long-term back up stories because I do sometimes [TS]

  refer back to them and it would suck not here for the same reason you have them [TS]

  sure you don't even know you have them I just looked just like the one in [TS]

  RealMedia DRM files / [TS]

  exact quote of the WTC 1999 and I had it in thomas also on YouTube yeah but you [TS]

  made it difficult to download I tried to leave your YouTube in the sink issues [TS]

  are also unlike you know this real media file still plays and it actually higher [TS]

  quality than the U two months but yes so like you know that like stuff that's [TS]

  like for historical reference that I'm likely to look back on like five or 10 [TS]

  years out for some reason that I'll keep even if it's big videos but like the BBC [TS]

  session videos I can I i'm very rarely find a reason to look back more than one [TS]

  year on those Apple still has those up from a year ago [TS]

  you know it's like I i've I think the first time I'm looking something from [TS]

  five years ago and can't find it then I'll start saving them I have a VHS tape [TS]

  of W H I didn't go do it before my time that a friend of mine who then going to [TS]

  Apple developer conference room comfort as far along that I have was getting [TS]

  cleaning out his basement as they do on this and said you know what I think I do [TS]

  do you still have a VHS tape player I do it's in the attic but I have my sony VCR [TS]

  that I bought my got married still works and it says that the two hours about VHS [TS]

  tapes and gives a video all right he's locked door to sponsor this week [TS]

  mind blitz app and file transporter [TS]

  now the show they didn't even mean to begin accidental John [TS]

  Casey [TS]

  it was accidental and you can be a team Marco [TS]

  polygon sandwich had a good line and the other is both my kids are getting back [TS]

  to the concentration game to lose it we gotta make that happen just to see if [TS]

  you do don't tell me she sees me play into this but are you spelling like [TS]

  she's in kinder transition they know how to spell anything like that a lot to be [TS]

  said Casey for the technique that I have used very often in both this and [TS]

  Scrabble which is a time on it to start tapping letters you have to know that [TS]

  the word many times I'm surprised when I would submit that the random assortment [TS]

  of letters that I put up a thing turns out to be aware there's no penalty for [TS]

  trying to smuggle word right so you just sit there and I just try and try and try [TS]

  and you know it doesn't work quite a long leather purses too many [TS]

  possibilities but Scrabble works really well because you have you just have to [TS]

  let you have the number of combinations is actually quite small so I just don't [TS]

  have patience for that you lose and lose in theirs so that makes what what is the [TS]

  sound of that sort of phonetic spelling of a sound sort of an onomatopoeia for [TS]

  the San Ramon should not have keys in it [TS]

  Hwa a tribute concert while he sounds like your bank's unlike your plan that [TS]

  you know that thing where the moles pop up from the arcade was like oh god only [TS]

  complaint about and I hate it I hate it when I see it because it doesn't read [TS]

  read i read it and I'm like for a long time and then about googling them like [TS]

  that did nothing like sad trombone noise wh wh would be way better just WOM WOM [TS]

  WOM it's real it's like you're hiding something makes no sense [TS]

  disagree I don't know never really dug into the intricacies of whether my sad [TS]

  trombone spelling was approached you just it's the internets and they've it's [TS]

  like the ad in front of the 20 replies are just so dumb like at whatever I [TS]

  remember when that for whoever invented that I did not like it and fight against [TS]

  what you do but you could get in 2007 January there was like hundred Twitter [TS]

  users or so to hopefully get us back on track in thing that by definition [TS]

  doesn't have a track you think back on track and now so what we choose what are [TS]

  you doing jack into cyberspace when I like Faubourg Marigny cyberspace is done [TS]

  it's hysterical because it's funny and you say that's got to be intentionally [TS]

  done in any case I say fabric turn if we have a hormone that promotes good at now [TS]

  listen to show you his name in the title [TS]

  yeah that's that's how we get him it wasn't the one episode I love her and [TS]

  tried to blame me for going to get everyone totally missed the home joke [TS]

  there were a couple people but implies that I saw I guess I just like the one [TS]

  that mentioned me like gods you can do it is a lot of people thought Casey [TS]

  wrote that to eat though because of his unit you are you have not shared the [TS]

  credentials for that account with me and I presume not John either so that's the [TS]

  only one that doesn't have it [TS]

  Casey John and I both control it without you know I did not we disclaim all [TS]

  responsibility for tweets unaccounted one of the best argument is if you want [TS]

  I don't wanna buy my Twitter client situation is fraud enough as it is I [TS]

  don't need like multi-client isn't handled that well but I don't want to [TS]

  add to my pile them it would have to attend like going to like that stupid [TS]

  carrot initials ending every tweet so everyone knows who its from [TS]

  screw that storm thing we do the bracket for this week I'm cutting myself up [TS]

  nineteen give you a chance I just like I've just decided you're on your right [TS]

  now I've heard I've heard those two words are three words those words as a [TS]

  unit and goodnight these people are worried about it though about it [TS]

  arlington virginia that's relatively close to me [TS]

  musical duo having joined Twitter account was the point and they do square [TS]

  bracket capital P square bracket for Paul on us for storm before each tweet [TS]

  as the system if we if we shared the credentials for that account I think [TS]

  part of the fun would be never signing the tweets and everyone including each [TS]

  other guess who the hell had posted them although I suppose to be pretty obvious [TS]

  cause I'd use whom everywhere [TS]