The Accidental Tech Podcast

18: Aluminum-Colored Aluminum


  20 the accident car podcast four-minute sure pretty please [TS]

  we had a big week last week is a good week it was it was a huge week for for [TS]

  everybody for the show more John Siracusa for everybody who matters it [TS]

  was a big week it was aight I had such a great time at WBC and i know i speak for [TS]

  both you guys and saying that any was especially peculiar for me having kind [TS]

  of been that guy that hangs out with Marco and John for the last couple of [TS]

  years and now getting recognized occasionally it was the trickiest most [TS]

  flattering and an awesome thing that I don't even know what to make of it I'm [TS]

  still at processing yeah I told you that would happen when we started this [TS]

  podcast has told Casey look just so you know if you're on a podcast and people [TS]

  listen to it next year at WTC everyone is going to know who you are and sure [TS]

  enough that's exactly what happened people are coming up you know John and I [TS]

  you know people people have known who we were at the BBC for a few years a little [TS]

  bit but Casey oh my god he was the star everyone I love you on the show everyone [TS]

  was so thrilled nobody give a crap about us ever was so thrilled to meet Casey [TS]

  list that is a very flattering boldface lie but there everyone is excited but I [TS]

  think it was like Oh your case America and your jonbenet was extremely [TS]

  flattering and and many thanks for everyone who who had the guts to say hi [TS]

  I know we talked about it a couple days ago but it was still it was still [TS]

  extremely cool to to meet all of these people that I perhaps would have had the [TS]

  opportunity to meet other wise cuz we would have both been just faces in the [TS]

  crowd so many thanks for all you guys and gals that said hi and had nice [TS]

  things to say no less we only had a couple complained verbal complaints [TS]

  about neutral not consider that a moral victory I was impressed with anybody [TS]

  actually listen to neutral who come to us that at that time and we did have a [TS]

  few fans who really wanted to spring back yeah which which was also weird and [TS]

  the quickest I drove in three today it which generation was that ninety nice [TS]

  alright yeah it was it was really cool it was like my car + 10 15% it was fun [TS]

  new podcast by car sometime maybe I think anyone like that he'll now getting [TS]

  better pricing on the m3 is not your car + 15% it's not it's not but in the [TS]

  ballpark 3 these days I think a well-equipped wanna something like [TS]

  seventy or eighty right I mean I think it's likely the Seven News I don't know [TS]

  I never and I mean my car my car + 15% have been out now you're right my car + [TS]

  15% was not even your seventy [TS]

  talk about nerd nerdy stuff that's not cars what did you guys think it wud say [TS]

  let's start with mister Siracusa [TS]

  about this last time well be about a lot has happened since then ok fine we can [TS]

  we can ignore things in the notes the notes the actual market and largely [TS]

  ignoring the notes but I do have them up so with that in mind how we've never [TS]

  chrome up and you don't have your chrome jail John would you like to talk about [TS]

  any of the Metro details we've learned a little little macro follow up so we [TS]

  talked about it at length on the last show and their two things that I want [TS]

  talk about the first one is about this article I wrote a while ago called the [TS]

  case for a true Mac Pro successor and there was me arguing the point before we [TS]

  knew what the fate of the Mac Pro was that Apple should continue to push the [TS]

  envelope and desktop computer performance for all the same reasons [TS]

  that car manufacturers make these ridiculous cars that nobody by that are [TS]

  that are not practical and their costs way too much money and they lose money [TS]

  for the company's all because they want to push the limits of our technology [TS]

  performance and in the end [TS]

  deep deep down because the people who work at those companies love cars and [TS]

  that's why I make you know supercars are hello Karzai called them and so when the [TS]

  new Mac Pro was announced last week I thought I had addressed this unless we [TS]

  show but apparently not clearly enough to last me so is this is this a true [TS]

  macro successor [TS]

  does this could meet the criteria laid out in the case for a dramatic person [TS]

  says there are you still disappointed in the fact that last time I was saying how [TS]

  this doesn't quite look like it's a machine for me so on and so forth people [TS]

  like oh I don't see how this isn't a true Mac processor as well so to be [TS]

  clear and spell it out yes this is definitely a true Mac Pro successor it [TS]

  completely fits the mold of you know the supercar type things it's it's [TS]

  ridiculous it's crazy it does not look like a normal computer we don't know the [TS]

  price yet but I assume it's going to be really expensive certainly more [TS]

  expensive than the other things there it has compromises that most people [TS]

  wouldn't you know expect like the dual GPU that are going to big honkin GPUs [TS]

  that maybe everybody doesn't need but at the same time it doesn't have any [TS]

  internal spinning disk storage but it's kind of like a super car that has like [TS]

  900 horsepower but a truck that fits one little tiny bag and it right and I'm [TS]

  hoping I'm assuming Apple hopes that they sell way more pros than people sell [TS]

  their top and supercars but this computer despite or perhaps because of [TS]

  the fact that it doesn't satisfy all the practical needs of various provision [TS]

  stuff definitely fits the bill so despite the fact that I was disappointed [TS]

  in the last week for various personal reasons as I thought I expressing last [TS]

  show i'm i'm happy that Apple continues to innovate use [TS]

  shelters part in this area and to continue to chase the high and the [TS]

  second thing about the Mac Pro is that my opinion of it has softened a little [TS]

  bit from my own personal use since last week's episode and it since then I've [TS]

  learned our backs have been reminded I should have no I didn't think of this [TS]

  last week that the gaming performance thing that this really been holding back [TS]

  to spend all this money on this machine and compromises with no internal storage [TS]

  and everything and I'm gonna get a machine that's not going to fill one of [TS]

  my main criteria which is to be able to play PC Mac games really really well [TS]

  because it's got these pro GB using them and to people who aren't familiar with [TS]

  that the market or maybe people who are familiar with and I was that sounds [TS]

  crazy but like all these are super high and GPUs is not great for gaming [TS]

  gonna be you know like they're just like $2000 GPUs and shouldn't you be awesome [TS]

  game performance on this and if you look at like Windows benchmarks and stuff for [TS]

  his pro GPUs are you feel like adding 3d programs and they test Windows games on [TS]

  them [TS]

  the gaming performance issue appears this terrible news how can I spend $1500 [TS]

  on a video card and get terrible game performance and the answer is that the [TS]

  drivers the drivers are made to run or AutoCAD or whatever other programs and [TS]

  the figures for professional design and those programs demand precision and [TS]

  repeatability and reliability they don't demand all in all sorts of the [TS]

  performance tricks the game GPUs you so you'll see a GPA of the cost three times [TS]

  as much as another one not promise wanna game and on the PC side on Windows you [TS]

  when you buy one of those high and GPUs you get the special you know certified [TS]

  OpenGL drivers to be used with whatever software you bought it works and when [TS]

  you buy just like a gaming video card even a super high ranking you got a [TS]

  totally different driver and that one is optimized to make sure you get really [TS]

  high frame rates in Crysis 3 or whatever because they too in the driver for that [TS]

  cheating is a und OpenGL spectra says response to do this and that in terms of [TS]

  like line precision NDLEA saying or what [TS]

  occlusion or whatever but we found that in this game we can detect when this [TS]

  game is running that some of the old days they would detect which specific [TS]

  game is running in and perform some opposition to the new wouldn't cause any [TS]

  noticeable graphical glitch in that game just to get more performance out of it [TS]

  and that's why I was disappointed all-pro GPUs that means crappy game [TS]

  performance like the worst of both worlds expensive video hardware in [TS]

  crappy game performance but on the Mac that is not the case I'm going back [TS]

  historically Apple has shipped that use the same driver for the pro cards and a [TS]

  non-pro cards and in the past that's meant that Apple's game performance [TS]

  sucked equally across all the GPUs because they always optimize the drivers [TS]

  for correctness there it's ok let's do exactly what they open just access and [TS]

  correct mister I'm worried about speed later all tied to read it and so on so [TS]

  forth but over the past summer releases starting at 10.7 Apple has really tuned [TS]

  their video drivers to actually a decent performance out of games for working [TS]

  with companies like valve and stuff to do all those cheeky little things you [TS]

  can do to make it performs better but at the same time those same drivers were [TS]

  also driving their high-end cars so it's my expectation when I get this new Mac [TS]

  Pro which i think im going to get now it's going to use the exact same drivers [TS]

  as a macro that had a high-end Radeon like a previous generation macro like [TS]

  it's not going to be a special slow down [TS]

  high-precision driver just these things are going to use the exact same drivers [TS]

  again video card with you and that means it should have pretty darn good game for [TS]

  me at least as good as you know as it would have had a big game car now [TS]

  doesn't quite help me that much unless Apple also the drivers boot camp so that [TS]

  if I reboot into Windows I don't want to be forced to use like the windows slow [TS]

  drivers from this project or whatever but just having to use a Mac gaming [TS]

  performance on the thing that makes me feel better so I i think im definitely [TS]

  getting one of these genes now I have to ask for your priorities as you know high [TS]

  performance but also significant gaming now that we know what the compromises [TS]

  are for the next Mac Pro least we know we know most of them I think why not a [TS]

  high-end iMac [TS]

  video cards on those things are there not desktop some of them might be his [TS]

  laptop GPUs but now they are actually pretty good these days I mean it's not [TS]

  like a $400 desktop card but could there not powerful and they're not replaceable [TS]

  so I couldn't even upgrade them down at the gym user in the neck profile by many [TS]

  ways but with the with the very fastest GPU the senate so that I can use it for [TS]

  five years or whatever and at the end of his five years or so because like I [TS]

  bought the highest and non pro video card that I can get with my current Mac [TS]

  Pro and to this day I can still play modern games on it the full resolution [TS]

  of ice cream with the settings are normally given up on high [TS]

  so I just wanna get mileage of the card you know and that would be the energy [TS]

  tea yeah but think of it game-by-game a reason why I'm the wrong person to ask [TS]

  but I am I'm surprised that he is now like what five years old I'm I'm [TS]

  surprised given the pace of a video card innovation I'm surprised that you can [TS]

  still do that with a five-year-old I can't play the very latest games I'm not [TS]

  playing the very latest on portal 2 came out I could play it just find full frame [TS]

  rate for resolution anti-aliasing everything alright and that was only a [TS]

  couple of years ago the most recent game I played was walking dead which is not a [TS]

  graphically intensive game but it ran fine Diablo 3 when I came out ran fine I [TS]

  mean this is all going to be impaired by what I hope will be my retina screen [TS]

  online night bro right so than that video card maybe won't last quite as [TS]

  long because I don't know how many games will take advantage of their writing a [TS]

  resolution going forward but that's what I want to especially in a machine where [TS]

  it's not replaceable I get the most mileage so wouldn't want to buy [TS]

  something that's you know ok performance like tommy said anything about is gonna [TS]

  be 500 duty right but I wouldn't want to buy an iMac with a sort of mediocre [TS]

  desktop GPU is not too much of the year ended last me three or four years and [TS]

  then you know I would have to not play PC games anymore think about upgrading [TS]

  its in a special counsel a bar in IMAX screen over the last 35 years easy [TS]

  because I would probably hold out for an iMac right and there would be like I [TS]

  don't get rid of the screen the only things wrong with this machine is this [TS]

  stupid GPU that I can't replace you know so better to get a machine where [TS]

  everything is maxed out too ridiculous degree and then the whole machine will [TS]

  age sort of together right so I had a thought about the displays and a lot of [TS]

  the scuttlebutt aw BDC was Jesus didn't release and retina display for the Mac [TS]

  Pro I mean they they made some hand wavy talk over this supports for k screens by [TS]

  three of them in fact from a mistaken and but they never renounced an actual [TS]

  Apple display and one of the things that occurred to me when the three of us for [TS]

  dinner one night was if the Mac Pro is this black [TS]

  I believe its aluminum anodized aluminum whatever it is it's black so if they [TS]

  release a Retina display of Apple releases a Retina Display is that also [TS]

  going to be black in this is the first time that we have not aluminum coloured [TS]

  aluminium aluminium devices from Apple that our computers I should say in a [TS]

  long time that are injured iPods right right that displays are anti-black [TS]

  though like the part you can see when you're sitting in front of the foot [TS]

  Silverbell like they've already changed the surface of the things to be black [TS]

  like the frame around this time not alter egos edge-to-edge alright well not [TS]

  a mile high res MacBook Pros I mean your point is still like the external ones [TS]

  they changed the extra monitors to be to be black when they're facing you with [TS]

  exceptional the foot and I think that still matches with the black computer [TS]

  you know I'm thinking I don't think that clashes I think that's their neutral [TS]

  tones so I notice place then i dont no I mean they haven't decided what they can [TS]

  do have decided pricing I mean well my theory is and I don't forget whether [TS]

  such as last week or not that it's it's interesting that has well is out for [TS]

  laptops but they only mention the MacBook Airs and the only updated [TS]

  there's so much theory is sometime later this year in quotes probably alongside [TS]

  the Mac Pro launch they will potentially also launched new Retina MacBook Pros [TS]

  with has well with the Honorable to and alongside those they will launch retina [TS]

  displays and only then the new Mac Pro and the new house bill retina MacBook [TS]

  Pros will be able to drive them to you know if that that's a possibility has [TS]

  well and chipset support Thunderbolt to thunderbolts who from what I know which [TS]

  you know I think the best person to ask you this would be an awesome p but I'm [TS]

  sorry for the pronunciation if I got that wrong with you probably got at [TS]

  least some part of it I believe that the Thunderball to chip or chipset or or [TS]

  whatever it is that does it is separate from the main motherboard chipset ends [TS]

  and then [TS]

  can be installed or integrated into any modern Intel board I think says it does [TS]

  I suppose that's enough to know the dates and that I remember vividly [TS]

  remember the code names of the two different chipsets I think only member [TS]

  of the not the current one but the next next 1000 region something but any right [TS]

  to die think that's the next next one next one is something else Ridge anyway [TS]

  that is a reasonable reason why they those things could have been delayed [TS]

  that they're gonna run Thunderball too but it's a weird that they didn't get [TS]

  any mention at all and end at those chips are ready like any other [TS]

  explanation is maybe the Intel can deliver the CPUs in volume that that's [TS]

  possible that's certainly a more boring explanation for for the delay doesn't [TS]

  use the same thing that Google uses the ultra low-power directors big package [TS]

  thing which is totally different and apparently is enough of those to say hey [TS]

  the MacBook Air shipping today right and actually I would expect those would be [TS]

  like the better be in part because those are the ones that can run at super low [TS]

  voltages right I mean like you would think they can deliver those that can [TS]

  probably deliver the big ones thanks I think the recall Thunderbolt to ship [TS]

  that thing could be the delay our competitors have excess inventory of the [TS]

  retina MacBook Pros they want to get rid of her something or they're just holding [TS]

  it back until they can launch the Mac Pro which is at least Q-three cause the [TS]

  Mac Pro CPUs aren't out yet and so if they can do like a big bro lunch where [TS]

  they they satisfy all the pros ones with a Mac Pro new Retina MacBook Pros and a [TS]

  Retina display that would be a nice little event and you know maybe they [TS]

  coincided with a minor update to you know final cut ten or something like [TS]

  that [TS]

  something like that it would it would make sense to to combine those timers [TS]

  into you know stick to coalesce those times into one thing that holds at home [TS]

  Mac Pro announcement was just really weird to me is acknowledged to be weird [TS]

  in the Keno like we normally don't do this like you normally don't do this is [TS]

  really off in the distance but we know that people are going to freak out if we [TS]

  don't say anything about it you know it's it's almost as if like last year W [TS]

  ABC they said I know you're awake for Mac Pro now [TS]

  and he hears these ones that aren't really that new but trust us next year [TS]

  we'll have a good one like him in the kind of did that by having a public [TS]

  statement or another public statement an email response from Tim Cook saying oh [TS]

  yeah next year the nice but like renouncing products it's just crazy and [TS]

  I guess that did it for damage control because they didn't we already come out [TS]

  and that's why none of us expected impact on us when we were joking about [TS]

  it feels like we knew it couldn't possibly be ready because we knew what [TS]

  kind of CPUs it would have to use and those aren't ready to turn up those [TS]

  aren't ready but what we're gonna show anyway here it is again but for a while [TS]

  we won't even tell you monitor smartphone pricing but it's here it's [TS]

  shaped like a garbage cans coming I think you could point to QRS in the [TS]

  chatroom said aperture for maybe something to consider here the new Mac [TS]

  Pro has this pretty lopsided design where it has only one CPU socket so it [TS]

  had it can get a good amount of CPU power in there but then it has this [TS]

  insane amount of GPU power at the seams from from the word in their views and [TS]

  and and what's on their site it seems as though the dual GPU setup is not [TS]

  optional that it looks like all the Magpies will come with the same GPU set [TS]

  up and if that's the case and I and obviously that's that's gonna have [TS]

  potential cost implications but there is a really lopsided power balance of you [TS]

  get some CPU power but you really want to buy this thing for the GPUs and [TS]

  what's interesting you know I see no I seen a few places report that only one [TS]

  of the GPUs is going to be used to drive displays and that the other one is going [TS]

  to be used exclusively for OpenCL type computations and so you're gonna have [TS]

  this ridiculous amount of power that today only a few apps really make any [TS]

  good use of right I mean I don't think it's very widely supported yet and so [TS]

  maybe Apple's pro apps are gonna be substantially [TS]

  shifted over to put a lot of work into OpenCL maybe you know more than they [TS]

  already are and I think they're already doing some [TS]

  a majority is the GPUs like crazy and it's not so much that one GB was [TS]

  dedicated to OpenCL it's that only one GPU is connected up to the Thunderbolt [TS]

  ports so what's it like this are both available for OpenCL like you could see [TS]

  both of those GPUs is available as you know whenever they call them like you [TS]

  know computing resources you see one G one CPU and GPU you can use both of the [TS]

  missiles that only one of them is connected only one of them has placed [TS]

  you can plug in a display so the other one is never going to drive a display [TS]

  but even when one is driving display you could run OpenCL stuff on both of them [TS]

  right okay and what's interesting about that is that now you have this this this [TS]

  Mac Pro that for other reasons it probably is going to be a pretty bad [TS]

  deal like it's probably not gonna be a great value for the fourth CPU [TS]

  performance it's not going to be a great value for its RAM sealing the universe [TS]

  all these different things you know I speak the same to cost like three or [TS]

  four thousand bucks base and it but if they if if Pro users are using these [TS]

  certain software packages that make really great use of OpenCL then this [TS]

  machine is gonna pull away the entire rest of the Mac lineup is so much [TS]

  well I think about what those people would have to pay before like that [TS]

  during the lunchtime demo with your pics are up their program and saying how [TS]

  great it was alright if he wanted to get the equivalent GPU power and another [TS]

  machine like even to Sakura Mac Pro it would probably cost him the price of a [TS]

  new Mac Pro just about the video cards because there's a ridiculous like $3500 [TS]

  for the video card and that's that's nothing on the Mac Pro [TS]

  I was thinking about pricing yet we do this at Dr wave this week where we both [TS]

  came out of the market when I came out of the keynote we've all said like 2999 [TS]

  mostar [TS]

  $999 was our guest for the base price of thing but now I think I've changed and I [TS]

  think they could hit 2504 the lowest I was saying that I think the way they [TS]

  could do that is the AMD FirePro GP-one line comes in a lot of different sizes [TS]

  and if they if Apple decides to offer anything other than the super duper high [TS]

  and one that they could reduce the price lobby whenever [TS]

  yeltsin there is relatively cheap like this not as many moving parts just one [TS]

  Intel CPU with that cuts like 500 bucks off the price right there which is nice [TS]

  I was gonna have a crazy margins and their stupid pci-express SSD thing I'm [TS]

  sure whatever the RAM handling and if they can get you know the quote-unquote [TS]

  crappy fire perot GPUs in there with much much less VRAM set of the maximum I [TS]

  think [TS]

  26 gigs each sixties each success combined for 16 GB Hermes and again [TS]

  gaming video cards this point have two gigabytes of urine like the most [TS]

  expensive game cards of 60 each re no its not gonna ship with a base trim of [TS]

  the whole machine of 12 gigs like they're gonna have more RAM than the [TS]

  main machine I think the basement be 16 gigs but anyway if they have a cheap out [TS]

  on on the GPUs you couldn't they could have an entry level model that no one [TS]

  wants to buy including me for a trial so it sounds like both both you guys are in [TS]

  for one there are going to be one of every room in the house double as always [TS]

  but I i think probably by one but I i'm not the big two questions about whether [TS]

  the price is going to be and whether there'll be retina displays like if this [TS]

  ends up being one of the only machines that can drive around the display and it [TS]

  may be the only one that can do really well when when those eventually come out [TS]

  then I'll by 10 question because I really want a desktop size retina [TS]

  display and surely the only one that's gonna be able to play games plan know [TS]

  how important it is to you I don't care about all I would feel kind of like an [TS]

  idiot buying this computer that has these two ridiculous high-power GPUs and [TS]

  using the most of the time to display like text made and perhaps that's your [TS]

  Xcode as usual I'm doing on asked on Twitter today won't text editor [TS]

  developers and the people who write Xcode now change their applications to [TS]

  take advantage of those dual GPU yeah i cant im having trouble think he seems [TS]

  that kind of GPU power in your text either unless all the text was like made [TS]

  3d and flying through some kind of world as you type [TS]

  the matrix text editor minority report says that all on the Mac Pro I guess for [TS]

  now we really don't know much about it yet that's the big at the big thing [TS]

  until we know pricing and options and and you know possibly read no question I [TS]

  I think it's gonna be hard to make any other really great statements about it [TS]

  just because we don't have it yet and there's so much we don't know there's [TS]

  another piece of follow-up that I think mostly John want to talk about the maybe [TS]

  we can do sponsors so Johnson about the new Xbox just came out today [TS]

  yeah this is the obvious joke sometimes you wonder like if if these stories [TS]

  happen because there's a perfect name for it like he just couldn't couldn't [TS]

  resist note the show note and the nine headlines Xbox moneyed which is the [TS]

  obvious deadline for the story that Microsoft has reversed its decision on [TS]

  all of the DRM digital rights management used game always online things about the [TS]

  Xbox one that everyone hated and to sort of recap things that people hated where [TS]

  the Xbox had the check in with Microsoft server is every 24 hours here like out [TS]

  of it [TS]

  people hated that people who would like to military or people who are going to [TS]

  be away from an internet connection for a long time even just people who didn't [TS]

  like the idea of having to check in the fact that you couldn't sell games game [TS]

  discs to people because the game disc was just a convenient way for you to get [TS]

  the bits on your computer and all the rights of the game had to do with the [TS]

  DRM and so if you bought a game store and get the disc selling that distant [TS]

  friend was pointless because if they put the disk into their machine would do [TS]

  nothing for them because it was so you don't own this game because you don't [TS]

  have the rights to it according to our service and game companies were allowed [TS]

  to not allow the games to result even in digital form and so all these things [TS]

  pissed off gamers and 83 Stony hammered them in their presentations and you know [TS]

  their presentation was all about look at how much better we are the Microsoft and [TS]

  Sony was gonna like standing ovations for standard features of game consoles [TS]

  for the past decade [TS]

  like oh my god it's amazing I combined is going to star in the south to my [TS]

  friend so Microsoft Word file again hammered like someone online poll Amazon [TS]

  or some other site like hey guys who's thinking about getting one of the next [TS]

  generation consoles through the just ps4 vs Xbox one biggest now with the Wii U [TS]

  and normally those polls like on the dawn of a console generation launch are [TS]

  always like 50 52 because all the fanboys from both of the council's go [TS]

  there and they'll fill the ballot box and it's like you know pretty pretty [TS]

  much that he and this was like not over 90% for the ps4 and like the rest of the [TS]

  Xbox one so it was like a blowout and that's it you know one random poll could [TS]

  have been a bunch of Sony fans who knows but like you never say I've never seen [TS]

  that all the console launches I've been through so things are looking bad for [TS]

  Microsoft than what they did which was kind of gutsy but also kind of lame and [TS]

  weird or whatever just reversed everything it's a never never mind it's [TS]

  exactly like the Xbox 360 go to store you buy discs and that's just like 36 [TS]

  the end they also eliminated all the good features of the Xbox one where you [TS]

  know everyone in your family can play the game for free even if they delivered [TS]

  you liked up to 10 people in your family could play the games have you bought it [TS]

  then like your brother college automatically got the game for free you [TS]

  didn't have to buy to get you to have the shipping the discs and digital [TS]

  downloads now it's just like the 360 where you can do this all download but [TS]

  if you buy a physical disk this custody in the drive are you playing the game [TS]

  which sucks and the stupid because what is this going to be there because they [TS]

  just completely reversed everything they said I can do this late stage it seems [TS]

  like all the deals involving publishers and all the software involved you know [TS]

  they're clearly reversing course and most people are happy about it but they [TS]

  got rid of those online things you have to set up your Xbox one but after that [TS]

  you can just be completely offline as long as the game you're using doesn't [TS]

  have internet connectivity to run then you're fine so it's kind of a mixed bag [TS]

  it's good in that they reverse their stupid decisions it's bad and they got [TS]

  rid of all the things that might have been cool and I think it's bad like [TS]

  long-term because I think I'm ready to rejoin talk about the Xbox one [TS]

  everything they were doing it was done badly but in broad strokes the idea that [TS]

  you don't own a physical disk instead your own rights to something online [TS]

  that's good for all the convenience reasons they just need to get the [TS]

  particulars of it right [TS]

  like once the ones that's the case you can't you don't use that to then give [TS]

  the publishers more power and forbid people from reselling games and [TS]

  everything just make it instead you should say ok now it's even easier for [TS]

  you to sell the game dear friend so it through our online thing you know I [TS]

  think you know bring the disc over to their house and you don't have to do any [TS]

  those stuff and it's not tied to counter whatever you should be able to sell [TS]

  games soyuz games resell them and let Microsoft take a little cut you know [TS]

  we're not I think Apple has shown that people are not opposed to the idea that [TS]

  sort of the the middleman get some small cut by perform providing the convenience [TS]

  of buying and selling goods online so it's kind of a shame that we just kind [TS]

  of hit the reset button because Microsoft policies were so boneheaded [TS]

  but the overall idea that spinning plastic discs are stupid and should [TS]

  really just be an accelerated way to download things for you and really the [TS]

  entire marketplace should be online in Apple's proven entire marketplace being [TS]

  on for everything for their desktop operating system for the desktop [TS]

  software for the NL software that model works people like it it's great and [TS]

  Apple takes 30% Microsoft could take like five percent of used game sales and [TS]

  gamers but still love them for the convenience of being with the one click [TS]

  sell their game to a friend and get you know ten bucks back or whatever that's a [TS]

  story I'm kind of sad about it I was interviewed by an Xbox one anyway it's [TS]

  kind of sad to see Microsoft that kinda like that when really what they could [TS]

  have done it just fixed everything except the good and the bad so thumbs up [TS]

  on the sybian sounds like you were not pleased with this but you are pleased [TS]

  with where it ended I it's better than what they had before when they had [TS]

  before was just terrible policy that everyone he did they just throw out the [TS]

  baby with the bathwater you know I like I like them trying to make progress they [TS]

  just went a little bit off in the wrong direction and their correction was [TS]

  history eraser bun this never happened just behave like the Xbox 360 nevermind [TS]

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  was seven little bit and we have a couple of things in our in our [TS]

  accidental show notes and i wanna go off the rails a little bit and I want to [TS]

  actually go back to ATP EPS of one and the reason I wanna do that is because a [TS]

  TV episode one before it was really a podcast at all was the three of us [TS]

  talking about an iPhone + and we were talking about how one could extrapolate [TS]

  and and theorize what size it would be whether or not it would exist etcetera [TS]

  and one of the things that's been bugging me in a good way about what we [TS]

  saw during the key know was that just yours are a big deal and I was seven and [TS]

  specifically there's a gesture to go back a screen in Iowa seven and there's [TS]

  been a lot of talk about gestures and and I was 17 and the thing that struck [TS]

  me about the gesture to go back to screen is if it's very easy kind of [TS]

  system wide to go back one level it may not be so terrible to have a back button [TS]

  that at least for right handed people is too far away so in other words if you [TS]

  look at the iPhone 5 foremost normal-sized people back button in [TS]

  normal sized right-handed people to back button is way up and to the left in his [TS]

  own little bit of a stretch to reach well what if you didn't have to reach [TS]

  that anymore then could the phone would that be enough to make it not annoying [TS]

  to have a bigger phone doesn't make sense [TS]

  well first of all I think that you it sounds like you're saying that [TS]

  right-handed people up to hold their phone in their right hand that's true [TS]

  and obviously well that was the assumption but you're on the road you do [TS]

  that right and yeah I hope my phone right that's crazy I mean I don't have a [TS]

  phone but you know my ipod touch america and i think thats detail but I think [TS]

  about the the slide open how do you do that with your left hand that's weird [TS]

  much better when you're pulling your thumb towards then we are extending your [TS]

  degree you as well I think what's interesting also and I don't know this [TS]

  is this might I think I can safely say without violating the the NDA I don't [TS]

  think anyone's gonna complain if I say that auto layout has been heavily [TS]

  encouraged and so you look at a few things you look at that they're really [TS]

  pushing you to use auto layout and they're the new design and iOS 7 even [TS]

  and the end of designs their kind of encouraging by example in the apps of [TS]

  things like you know stripping away ornamentation and [TS]

  big heavy texture and everything else the designs are probably pretty [TS]

  stressful and more so than they used to be you know we're used to have it used [TS]

  to be back before the iPhone 5 that you could design like the old gold tablets [TS]

  apps before trip up it was like Convert button something that where you could [TS]

  basically design a 320 by 480 screen and that was it that was your hole at you [TS]

  you could design this one big bitmap because you only had one screen size to [TS]

  deal with and web development with tables when you think about the exact I [TS]

  was seven is responsive design exactly like iOS 7 is like the the visual [TS]

  souther going for her first F 15 2010 crap you know if your view is if you're [TS]

  if your app is not just like a scrolling view with bars on top and bottom this is [TS]

  gonna be non-trivial to do but now I think you know the encouragement to use [TS]

  auto layout plus this bad gesture plus the whole style of iOS 7 being so [TS]

  flexible I think more easily and and what you know [TS]

  breaking fewer things visually I think that all is is if not pointing to [TS]

  different iPhone screen sizes I think it would at least pave the way to make that [TS]

  a lot easier to do they chose to and you know reading the tea leaves little bit [TS]

  it wouldn't surprise me at all if they did a new iPhone this this fall that was [TS]

  a maybe they do more than one but you know we talked before I think I think [TS]

  they need a bigger screen iPhone because even though you know whatever whatever [TS]

  Tim Cook says about the displays whatever whatever them up whenever [TS]

  people who are Big Apple fans say about phone sizes [TS]

  the fact is the market is demanding them significantly and Apple is losing a lot [TS]

  of the high-end market which is the profitable market they're losing a lot [TS]

  of the high-end market by not having a larger screen phone I saw a monstrous [TS]

  phone today I'm assuming with Sam sign up [TS]

  the hands of a young child and it just made a bigger was like comically I guess [TS]

  I had to be one of the things but it was it was ridiculous like an iPad Mini and [TS]

  there's a bunch of things I was seventh at that light itself to this deal does [TS]

  that feel like a lock screen with the gesture for swiping where you don't have [TS]

  to swim in particular reason you also have been aware the icons on the home [TS]

  screen bigger so I mean anything by it [TS]

  anything they make bigger like all this will look more normal a larger size even [TS]

  in the navigation bar the the texts in the buttons that would say the word back [TS]

  yet over the backbone that text is larger because i dont have borders [TS]

  around and it's like anything that they make larger you think ok well when this [TS]

  is a larger phone it will fit in better there it's not going to complete a [TS]

  stream because they do have the adjustable text sizing that they should [TS]

  hope so I just broke but whatever the adjustable text sizing doesn't actually [TS]

  alter the size of things like navigation elements that would force people to use [TS]

  our metrics are all I think permanent right but but but noted I said the [TS]

  button text is better so they're trying to strike a balance that I want [TS]

  everything to be bigger business will look around on the smaller phone I want [TS]

  everything to scale because that will make after the nightmare but you know [TS]

  combined with larger icons combine with bigger tax on the navigation but with [TS]

  the same now bar sizes and all that stuff it's like a man has been [TS]

  discussing in the first couple of ATP we don't expect a humongous Lee bigger [TS]

  phone just a little bit bigger and bigger in in two dimensions and so I [TS]

  think I was seven is perfectly suited for an ever so slightly bigger iPhone [TS]

  that's both has a slightly higher resolution and also like a lower dots [TS]

  per inch because then you could you know those two factors combine those two [TS]

  relatively small factors combine give you a phone that is bigger than the [TS]

  iPhone 5 but it's not comically large friend and I you know before when we [TS]

  were talking about this [TS]

  whenever that was like five months ago or whatever that was I would you know I [TS]

  had my theory about well they can keep the same resolution just make everything [TS]

  a little bigger and ever will be fine with that [TS]

  now I'm not so sure that's the case you know now I think you're right that they [TS]

  could just increase resolution a little bit [TS]

  and and just you know make the panel you know get me give us you know what is now [TS]

  four inches diagonal [TS]

  give us maybe like a five-inch 144 even four and a half inch would look [TS]

  substantially larger and and I think they could do that and and even just [TS]

  stellar evolution of proportionally if they really want to and [TS]

  I think now they're they're obviously preparing for non fixed resolution [TS]

  iPhones if that makes sense or rather you know it from multiple sizes of [TS]

  iPhones I i think that I think the pieces are in place now that you know [TS]

  the tea leaves turn to line up to say this is probably where they're heading [TS]

  and still doesn't quite address the issues we discussed that for themselves [TS]

  the reason he loves and red zone with larger screens it's not just that its [TS]

  larger which i think is at least half of it but there's another part of it is [TS]

  that Android phones when running on larger screen Android software running a [TS]

  large screen phones put up more you I am in it like a man and a miniature version [TS]

  of what I paid for the iPad version of got all the spacing of a totally [TS]

  different you I was slightly bigger phone if it's bigger enough maybe you [TS]

  have room for it to a bar before you didn't maybe have room for one more [TS]

  toolbar button like there are things you can do to actually give you an [TS]

  application that isn't doesn't just give you more viewable area for content which [TS]

  is great and everything doesn't just have barter exercises in larger buttons [TS]

  but also this is true for a little more information and maybe a feature that [TS]

  didn't fit on the phone can fit there I don't know if Apple's full movie bigger [TS]

  enough to even give you one more toolbar icons for the space or one more tool bar [TS]

  word in the new world of Iowa somewhere like to use words sometimes that of [TS]

  icons but it's possible it's possible that applications like you got optimized [TS]

  for iPad right in the centre totally different application basically under [TS]

  the covers it might be very similar but the UI can be very different and then [TS]

  you have your iPhone 5 size version of it and then you have your iPhone 6 plus [TS]

  or whatever when you get one more to borrow or you didn't have it or not you [TS]

  do or you have another little road things on the right side or something [TS]

  like that I would really be interested and that's the last piece of the puzzle [TS]

  I don't think it's necessary I think simply making a larger screen is plenty [TS]

  bigger resolution larger everything people still love that but if if it's [TS]

  possible to optimize your app for the apps to do that to provide a little bit [TS]

  more you I'm features I think that will be the icing on the cake and we'll see [TS]

  what happens I just thought it was interesting that that all the signs are [TS]

  pointing more towards yes and that gesture I don't know why but for me it [TS]

  really made me think you know what this this iPhone plus whatever they're going [TS]

  to call it that that really could be a thing [TS]

  the other thing that's been yelling at me all week since I left the keynote was [TS]

  there talk about iOS version adoption and the general gist of it is that ok [TS]

  everyone upgrades to the latest version of iOS immediately you know of course [TS]

  immediately is defined as a few weeks or whatever the case may be but it you [TS]

  people upgrade to the latest version I was very quickly and that's generally [TS]

  true especially on point releases but what occurred to me was I remember [TS]

  reading david smith's I was version stats in seeing that adoption of iOS 6 [TS]

  was not that quick at all because everyone's freaking out about Apple maps [TS]

  well so that's that's actually not supported by the data that's a very very [TS]

  common theory but like he was OK when holding back because they don't want iOS [TS]

  6 maps etc and then the theory was that once Google Maps app comes out then you [TS]

  should see a big bump in six adoption and you didn't like there is almost no [TS]

  change in the rate of adoption when when Google Maps app Google Maps Afghan out [TS]

  for iOS and so it it looks like that probably was not the reason I mean for [TS]

  me i think the biggest reason why I was 6 adoption you know it I think it [TS]

  climbed at a relatively normal rate and then just kind of peaked at like 92 [TS]

  whatever percent that it is now and if you look I was 5 adoption like I was for [TS]

  adoption has shrunk proportionally as you'd expect I was 5 adoption is kind of [TS]

  law and my theory there is all about the iPad one that you know granted apple has [TS]

  sold a lot more devices that run everything else than the iPad 1 but [TS]

  there still are a lot of iPad ones and use and the iPad one was sold until like [TS]

  what two and a half years ago it wasn't it wasn't that long ago that it was [TS]

  still sold and people were buying this like 500 + dollar computer type device [TS]

  and so the end and it's not a contract not subsidized so they expected to last [TS]

  more than two years [TS]

  so there are still a lot of iPad ones and use the camera 906 and I don't know [TS]

  you know how much of the percentage of people still on five that represents [TS]

  probably not even the majority of it but I bet that's like a big solid chunk in [TS]

  there that just is not going away anytime soon and you know what you're [TS]

  probably right I just know whether or not it was dated back to nine maybe I [TS]

  made that up but certainly anecdotally I know a lot of my mildly nerdy friends [TS]

  had said oh I can't get that new Apple maps think it's it's terrible I won't [TS]

  have it and either way I mean that I was trying to build up to the arts of the [TS]

  question that argument of what do we think about I was 7 adoption do we think [TS]

  it'll be quick to think they'll be really really slow by comparison to [TS]

  other versions of iOS my inclination is I feel like it will be kind of in the [TS]

  middle I think it which is of course the worst hedging ever but I really think [TS]

  it'll be less quick then a lot of the less remarkable major releases but I [TS]

  don't I think a lot of people are gonna really like it and I think that I think [TS]

  it'll be alright but I'm curious to hear what you guys think you'll probably be [TS]

  driven like a lot of these things are there they're driven and aided by the [TS]

  fact that Apple continues to sell more and more phones now grab the growth rate [TS]

  has leveled off a little bit but assuming I was 7 launches with a new [TS]

  phone like the new phones gonna come at seven and people very quickly stopped [TS]

  buying the old one and so you get this immediate boost from just like all the [TS]

  the iPhone 5s or six or whatever that is especially if it's an iPhone 6 of it if [TS]

  they don't do a 5s and it's actually a different form factor and it was like a [TS]

  bigger one or something that will give Iowa seventy huge boost out of the gate [TS]

  and skew the statistics but after the adoption will probably be about the same [TS]

  as it was 46 if only because like that thing where they push the update tell [TS]

  you I know I was gonna have automatic updates and same firm average and [TS]

  everything [TS]

  that rule drive adoption going forward even more but even just the current [TS]

  model where they're like hey there's a new version of my restaurant upgrade and [TS]

  people had a button and then it does it that's what's driving all this adoption [TS]

  it's like you know that jeff Atwood post from I guess years ago this point of the [TS]

  infinite version Google Chrome is the best one of the pioneers in this where [TS]

  you don't do anything you don't have to make any choices you use it and if you [TS]

  don't if you don't know anything about if you use it and quit that program and [TS]

  relaunch it is updating itself unbeknownst to you like they'll put a [TS]

  little color arrow or whatever in the toolbar and if you notice that you can [TS]

  never like it used to be more entries are now just like look we're gonna let [TS]

  you go chrome there's nothing you can do about it i mean there is some way to [TS]

  stop but the defaults are you gonna get updated version of go home you're using [TS]

  who knows the latest and that is they know the idea that you don't have [TS]

  versions of software that you get comfortable with like where you buy a [TS]

  2002 car sorry for the car if you want on your driving it was replaced with a [TS]

  2003 my bike but I like the 2002 Hyundai like the way the ship to work in the [TS]

  seat fabric was nicer in the radio controls are you just get used to when [TS]

  you have a software in the past has been like that when you get to know Photoshop [TS]

  you know version 3.0 you like WoW players this is awesome and this program [TS]

  is great and then 4.0 comes out you're like oh that's just weird and I [TS]

  shouldn't 2.53 busy as a maybe you do maybe like channel operations and [TS]

  players but anyway you get used to a piece of software and and you say okay [TS]

  well this is the software and it continues to work and I like it why [TS]

  would ever want to change and if it changed underneath you like whoa what's [TS]

  the menus change in the keyboard chunk of change they changed all sorts of [TS]

  things about this program I would happen them out working on that one back [TS]

  because you think of software as this one thing that you get like a physical [TS]

  car whereas with chrome you know you can't have shown that people can be [TS]

  trained not to think of software that way if you use Chrome the program you're [TS]

  using now is not like the one you were using several years ago and you didn't [TS]

  do anything about that you could have just never touched me but never said yes [TS]

  to any updates updates itself can you come in today and for the most part is [TS]

  different it's faster it's better to more stable has more features [TS]

  but also a change of stuff like all the menus are different and that the [TS]

  preferences are different things kept moving into the into browser tabs and [TS]

  out of like real you I as they try to make everything web based in that kind [TS]

  of annoyed me but i think thats the future of software and that's what's [TS]

  driving the adoption more than people saying oh I S 060 I want to get it it's [TS]

  because every single iOS device that can upgrade to iOS 6 showed a prompt that [TS]

  says the upgrade to iOS 6 showed again and people mentally hit the button [TS]

  Android has a bazillion ancient versions because funds can even run like you know [TS]

  it's up to the carriers to upgrade them like asking if all those little prompts [TS]

  the latest version of Android too but they can't and they don't have those [TS]

  prompt so they're not one also any one of the biggest things he touched on [TS]

  earlier one of the biggest things driving I was that option is that all [TS]

  new iOS devices are always so with the latest OS and and because the sales of [TS]

  iOS devices tend to be slowly growing quarter by quarter or year by year [TS]

  you know every year there is way more iOS devices added into the pool of [TS]

  actively use devices and everything added past [TS]

  passenger was released it has the newest OS wares and reduced you still have [TS]

  phones that are sold today that are burning not the current version of the [TS]

  OS and sometimes the running for like six months or a year even more old so [TS]

  you know I O Si because long as sales of iOS devices stay strong and you stand [TS]

  you remain not able to downgrade them I think we're we're always gonna see very [TS]

  very strong version adoption [TS]

  have some static and remember to ask something like you know the number of [TS]

  iOS devices sold in the past years more than another lie less divisive history [TS]

  before that or something like that and then david guetta they've claimed that a [TS]

  lot like is that like in that is the case and growth growth has leveled off a [TS]

  little bit so maybe they will be able to claim the next year but that gives their [TS]

  that combined with the fact that they can upgrade and like I said the deal the [TS]

  new versions of the new hardware comes with the newest version that drives [TS]

  adoption and so they use it as a point like our doctors are great because [TS]

  people because use it really love our latest version [TS]

  of the OS and I don't really think it's the case not that it matters but like I [TS]

  was center will freak people out but they're gonna be great because they [TS]

  become a screen there in a president they can't downgrade its gonna call [TS]

  contracts fires is gonna come on the new iPhone so guess what ninety percent of [TS]

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  sponsoring the show that I can go to this year trying to get cynical work [TS]

  into paying for me to go but no luck maybe next time so back to Iowa 74 [TS]

  minutes so we do see happen we did our show and we all have our opinion of it [TS]

  and I went home and I showed my wife the beta on my iPhone for us and her [TS]

  immediate reaction was this looks really cheap looking at the home's good looking [TS]

  at those often terrible icons like she really was very turned off by the [TS]

  appearance of the home screen and I think it was mostly because of the [TS]

  crappy icons and her initial experience was I don't really want to keep using [TS]

  this like i dont really wanna play with this kind of gross and I'm a little [TS]

  scared of what they're going here [TS]

  and you know she played the first of a couple of minutes at my urging it and [TS]

  then you know later on that evening she's using her her regular iPhone with [TS]

  iOS 6 on it and she's like you know what this looks old and he's like you know I [TS]

  actually I want the new one and I want a white iPhone now the worst part of Iowa [TS]

  severance encourages people to buy while I agree more I I bet thats first of all [TS]

  actually I have a white iPad Mini because the new style so I have a black [TS]

  iPhone 5 but I think ultimately I think the the black aluminum is not aging well [TS]

  you know the edges get the scratches and you can start seeing the color [TS]

  underneath and and I don't know I'm not crazy about the way the black ones look [TS]

  in practice but anyway I think this is gonna probably reflect a lot of people's [TS]

  opinion of Iowa seven which is when you first see it you kind of like ugly [TS]

  looking but then you know once the whole OS sinks in and once you start to use it [TS]

  you start to realize okay well there's some of those homes good decisions are [TS]

  pretty bad but overall this really does look very modern and it starts to really [TS]

  show you how dated the old iOS appearance has become so did get deeper [TS]

  than than just looking at the home screen like to actually play with a few [TS]

  apps open up my calendar and mail and stuff like that I didn't have any third [TS]

  party actually installed on it but but I open up right built in stuff and she was [TS]

  putting up with that a little bit was not a very long interaction I will give [TS]

  you that but but just having seen that and you know it's only having seen that [TS]

  for a few minutes she she was unable to recognize oh crap my old iPhone looks or [TS]

  my current iPhone looks old by comparison and so she want the new one [TS]

  just because you know it really is new and fresh and modern and I think I [TS]

  really think that's going to be a very common reaction 1902 pretty well in she [TS]

  doesn't strike me as the shiny [TS]

  kind of person but is that going to be the reaction from you know your average [TS]

  Joe or Susie that it's just new and shiny or do you think it's deeper than [TS]

  that I happen to think it's deeper than that but I'm a nerd and so that's not [TS]

  unexpected but it's gonna be shocking to people who aren't paying attention [TS]

  they're gonna be like well it doesn't look like my iOS but at that point they [TS]

  will have no choice and they will use it for we can get used to it and three or [TS]

  four things will continue to annoy them just like three or four things denied [TS]

  them at the old one but they let you know they'll get used to it like it's [TS]

  it's going to be a different a differentiator like that's the most [TS]

  important feature of this change from the the regular person's perspective is [TS]

  that it is unmistakable e different than the previous one and as I said in the [TS]

  past by Apple needed to make a change this is changing that is an essential [TS]

  feature of this that customers can identify at a glance it is different [TS]

  because that's what that's what I want needs at this point he needs a clean [TS]

  break with the class passing something new and as long as it's not completely [TS]

  unusable or just seen as horrendously ugly it'll be fine I think that Windows [TS]

  8 which i think has some horrendously ugly parts of it but that's not what [TS]

  annoyed people people who are annoyed that Windows it was ugly there were no [TS]

  they couldn't find anything and nothing worked and stuff like that so as long as [TS]

  Apple gets the functionality part of it right and I think they think they're on [TS]

  the right track where the the individual decisions about aesthetics are not as [TS]

  important as the fact that it is just immediately identifiable as a different [TS]

  thing yeah I think that's right and you know and the fact is it still does work [TS]

  roughly the same way you know there there are few little tweaks here and [TS]

  there and there's there's plenty more updated or more modern things like that [TS]

  that gesture a more updated navigation structure and stuff like that but it all [TS]

  still works pretty much the same way for people who have never seen the [TS]

  multitasking bar and iOS 6 they will continue to see it and I you know we we [TS]

  look at every single things differently [TS]

  of Iowa's right but I wonder about i mean it kind of explains why Apple but [TS]

  that little upward facing arrow to say hey guys control centers down here and [TS]

  it can be more if you change stuff but that's another one of those features but [TS]

  maybe like Notification Center where the first time most people actually [TS]

  Notification Center it's probably an accident like what's this thing happens [TS]

  that I think peak down from the top for a second and I went back to using it [TS]

  what is that like and another happens things up there like eventually people [TS]

  discover this thing down there but unlike probably Notification Center once [TS]

  people discover control some 20 fast way to turn wifi on and off like things that [TS]

  people can understand you know or change the volume or whatever I'm hoping that [TS]

  that will be a feature that people will latch onto us again for the people who [TS]

  don't know that you can open the most testing training go to the left and [TS]

  their stuff over there that's useful [TS]

  control center is the much larger version of that oh yeah I mean we so I [TS]

  got my mother-in-law [TS]

  for this past Christmas she had she has this nice radio it is nice to know [TS]

  little radio thing in and in their living room and she she's been using the [TS]

  iPad and she's going to Pandora so I got her an AirPort Express so she could then [TS]

  airplay the Pandora to the little radio in living room and having to to having [TS]

  to describe to a relatively non-technical person all the steps [TS]

  involved in turning on of course Pandora on the iPad doesn't have an airplane [TS]

  button because they are absurd extraordinary mediocre but you know [TS]

  trying to explain to a regular person how to go to the most trade swipe over [TS]

  fine air play button tap that app the room now it's swipe up their play like [TS]

  there's like three fewer steps than they were before and it's way more clear and [TS]

  there's there's gonna be so many interactions like that that are just so [TS]

  much easier with that and the other thing I wanted to know if you look at [TS]

  Apple's iOS seven-page there's you know the big image of a white iPhone 5 with [TS]

  the home screen there's a couple paragraphs of text and then there's what [TS]

  is 36 [TS]

  912 images all the familiar apps that while they're not images actually think [TS]

  they're little videos but they're all the familiar apps that they're showing [TS]

  and it will headline is CIOs 7 action so it's clear that they're trying to shop [TS]

  isn't the right word but familiarize people with what's coming so whenever [TS]

  the time comes that I was seven is out then they won't be so jarring in and I [TS]

  think Apple's little nervous about and I think they should be but I think on all [TS]

  won't be bad anyway we want to talk about never heard him saying I do I do [TS]

  sure cuz I put it in the notes that's why you're preparing a little too much [TS]

  john it's one sentence and a link and get all nervous if not longer poster is [TS]

  another in a long series of people with backgrounds and not commenting on iOS 7 [TS]

  about what they like what they don't like trying to divine the philosophy [TS]

  behind it and reconcilable has said with the reality of the OS and all that stuff [TS]

  and then sports was very focused and it's clear that he has sort of chewed on [TS]

  this is eyeing his head for a long time and decided it just looks wrong to him [TS]

  and he focused on the icon showing the App Store icon little circle and yay [TS]

  conforms to the grid that johnnie I have in his team's boys laid out for iOS icon [TS]

  stomach Mullick the same where they have a concentric circles in boxes and they [TS]

  made a point of showing how even though all the home screen icons look different [TS]

  they all sort of touch on important points in this greeting confirmed when [TS]

  the right way and he was saying the grid is wrong [TS]

  look at Cirque on the App Store if I was designing the city would be smaller and [TS]

  it should be smaller version looks wrong when it's bigger and I read that post [TS]

  and I thought there was a couple of really obvious already designed type [TS]

  replies to it found one of them was going to someone a lot of his room re [TS]

  Warner show notes this up on medium site which I don't really like the or else [TS]

  from because you can't read them but i right [TS]

  he responded and Evans fast explaining how wrong this is not really applicable [TS]

  in cases of design because you know you need to talk about it in context and [TS]

  fill the roles not a piece of art is not just mostly pleasing to the eye as a [TS]

  functional aspect and so on and so forth and so both those not so much but my man [TS]

  reaction to Nevins thing was and I think I think people are gonna call myself an [TS]

  artist but I did do a lot of our related things early in my life and still have [TS]

  that bent believe it or not as a programmer and one of the things I was [TS]

  found myself doing when I was doing you know visual are working even visual [TS]

  design stuff is trying to prevent myself from giving in to the feeling that never [TS]

  has which is when you make something and you and your sort of artistically [TS]

  inclined you can look at it and see that it's not quite right and if you're a [TS]

  little more experience a little more skill you can see there's not quite [TS]

  right and know what's wrong with it and fix it so that's what he did with the [TS]

  App Store icon doesn't look right to me and actually go for that I know why [TS]

  doesn't look right it's because the the space around the circle is not quite [TS]

  right if I change a circle decide now is more pleasing to me in a sort of like [TS]

  intuitive sense that you have a gmail is worried about intuition being data [TS]

  driven process running on a machine with thousands of years of evolution behind [TS]

  her something to that effect but you look at it you just feel that's wrong [TS]

  and so what you can do if if you're making a piece of art is just keep [TS]

  changing it into you feel happy with it doesn't look quite right and if you know [TS]

  what it is about this wrong you keep moving it more and more towards that [TS]

  idea until you look like now that's it looks beautiful right and some people [TS]

  just don't have that they can look at one logo in the lower down there about [TS]

  the same know the person one logo with the circle that's five percent bigger [TS]

  totally wrong and other one is like all that's the one right but if you are you [TS]

  if you give in to that feeling when you're making something if every single [TS]

  aspect of it you just use the use your intuition when you end up doing is sort [TS]

  of painting the entire design with the sort of sameness we're especially in web [TS]

  design [TS]

  but even assuming you're doing you know drawing picture something when you step [TS]

  away from you like oh now I have made this entire thing pleasing to the eye [TS]

  and all aspects and it looks bland and boring and so one of the first impulse [TS]

  as I can remember having when I was taking our lessons as a kid is that [TS]

  sometimes when you're drawing something for designing something you take some [TS]

  aspect of it and you intentionally make it look wrong not not wrong in a sense [TS]

  of ugly or anything but you you pushed the limit of you say this was the [TS]

  perfect and write a nice and beautiful and you know you like the golden ratio [TS]

  and it looks like a beautiful woman it would look like nature and it would look [TS]

  like a fractal and it would just be so pleasing to the eye but i wanna push it [TS]

  slightly more along one axis because it creates a current of visual and [TS]

  emotional tension you can't do them all aspects of things make some things right [TS]

  the heavy take one aspect of it you press it a little bit sometimes with the [TS]

  purpose but sometimes just because you feel like you know what this will be [TS]

  more interesting if I make this one aspect of it not conform to this ideal [TS]

  of beauty that I have my head and your knowingly doing that I'm not sure that's [TS]

  what I was seven is done but when I look at it I think there are parts of this [TS]

  design that is unsettling for some colors are usually easy to be like the [TS]

  circus-like yes I saw them and they look too big to me as well but I thought like [TS]

  they know that these circle seem too big [TS]

  perhaps it's for readability at you know the icon needs to be readable instead of [TS]

  you know just visually pleasing to see if you made it smaller would look nice [TS]

  but it also could be the design where everything is made to conform to that [TS]

  beautiful ideal is more boring and lacks character and I'm willing to believe [TS]

  that some aspects of Iowa simes design were done with that in mind that a [TS]

  design that is beautiful in all aspects and and purple uniform store ideal of [TS]

  beauty is boring and I like it to push push the envelope in some aspect because [TS]

  that's more interesting alternative there that maybe johnnie I was not gonna [TS]

  graphical design which is a lot less interesting hit-and-run [TS]

  I mean it's true there are more boring explanations they made them bigger so [TS]

  the more readable and they're gonna shine in my area and the colors are [TS]

  harder to go by but the same kind of thing colors like sometimes you do [TS]

  especially if you've done art for a really long time it's like you get [TS]

  burned out on just everything being beautiful and perfect like sometimes you [TS]

  make something intentionally on something and I think there's a tension [TS]

  in that kind of design that tickles the brand nether regions of artists to look [TS]

  at it and they find that nicer and that's something that's polarizing [TS]

  regular people probably don't care about the colors which will probably people [TS]

  probably likely but I think these icons and everything else about it will be [TS]

  refined over time but I hope they don't I hope they don't do a lot of the [TS]

  revisions you see like I'm sure every design I was somehow it's better this [TS]

  way and they're just a sameness to them if like just making everything boring [TS]

  and and and beautiful unconventional ways like the saturating the caller is [TS]

  making it all like you know beautiful and low contrast and pale and grayscale [TS]

  and lots of other designer II tendencies that if applied on mass to an entire OS [TS]

  make the whole thing boring you know I don't know why I think I think it's too [TS]

  early to say whether like they're just bad at this right now whether this is [TS]

  like intentionally along one side I think time will tell [TS]

  I'm certainly interested to see what the fallout is from all the complaining [TS]

  about the icons are they going to do a Microsoft Xbox 180 or they just go [TS]

  forward and see what happens I mean like Microsoft designed windows 8 was kind of [TS]

  we had this bold direction but try to like in terms of shapes i guess im not [TS]

  in terms of colors try to make things you know recent like there there are no [TS]

  comments on this icon to the two big circles in Windows 8 that i've seen [TS]

  right they they fit things inside the boxes with you know crack spacing and [TS]

  margins and nothing is uncomfortably too big or too small within the borders of [TS]

  where you know where some of those icons like the grid itself mean that that that [TS]

  outer circle just too darn close to the edges of that round wreck right and it [TS]

  sits uncomfortably close for people with design sensibilities and surely [TS]

  everyone inside Apple design sensibilities knows but but never put in [TS]

  there that that doesn't that isn't the most pleasing visual arrangement but I [TS]

  can think of lots of reasons why they would intentionally do that I will say [TS]

  is that it I believe so [TS]

  alright thanks a lot to our two sponsors this week [TS]

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  show they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental John [TS]

  Casey [TS]

  death was accidental and you can t be L and Marco [TS]

  for the lifeless as we should specify that the second show this week will be [TS]

  an early recording I know you kind of early recording because john's traveling [TS]

  next week so we're recording next week's episode this Friday so in two days from [TS]

  now hopefully Apple and i buy nintendo on Monday [TS]

  what the hell I'm thinking of a story that it would kill me not to be able to [TS]

  talk about and in a timely manner and then we should be published the show for [TS]

  next week and it would not be about one you tend to like what the hell well [TS]

  Marcos your number money command was introduced by Nintendo yourself you can [TS]

  sell it yeah I've gotten good at USC this this Mac Pro benchmark that was [TS]

  leaked like an hour 50 minutes after we stopped talking with my bro I clicked on [TS]

  the but we had done by then I didn't I don't get the reader but show me the [TS]

  number that's why I was so annoyed about doing it again [TS]

  don't compare the new Mac Pro the old Mac Pro we all agree the old micro socks [TS]

  well there's always a few things that are interesting about this benchmark [TS]

  first of all it is the first time we've seen as far as I know it's the first [TS]

  time we've seen any benchmarks of the Xeon if I V two series right i mean this [TS]

  is giving up its possible I don't even think this is the first time that a [TS]

  particular Ciani five model has even been leaked so now if this is correct [TS]

  now we know there will be a model called the E five 2607 it'll be 2.7 hurts and [TS]

  of course that's as far as I know that's all new information but beyond that the [TS]

  performance here is really impressive it's obviously very impressive to get a [TS]

  deep bench overall score of 24,000 out of Woonsocket testing like less than [TS]

  one-third of the transistors in this thing [TS]

  while they were there were some more tests and stuff but I mean like two GPUs [TS]

  the most power devices in the GPS is stressing this is more of a CPU I don't [TS]

  think there's any [TS]

  or maybe has a different mode for I don't know but yeah this is mentioned [TS]

  GPS it also I'm guessing it's all so it's kind of like it's like we're it's [TS]

  like you know a good car analogy like bench benchmarking benchmarking the gas [TS]

  mileage of the Veyron it's an interesting benchmark but maybe not what [TS]

  that cars designed to do in like it's basically a bunch of GPUs ramen has dado [TS]

  by the way CPU type thing to run it all in terms of like transistor count and [TS]

  maybe like as Morgan that perhaps in terms of ran counter to what I mean the [TS]

  sad part is like it what they they've ever pull off this really great score [TS]

  that with Woonsocket blows away the previous 12 core by something like 10 or [TS]

  15 percent that sucks but imagine if they made it to soccer vs then you can [TS]

  hire 45,000 keeping score well you can you find software that uses twenty-four [TS]

  course that's pretty difficult video script that you wrote [TS]

  way back when I remember seeing the flyby went during your time of day when [TS]

  you were trying to code centralized yeah it's me and there's like I think there's [TS]

  like an hour an argument for XRD something with those roughly the same [TS]

  thing but make minus J [TS]

  you know 25 you know what annoys me when I went ahead at the show is that [TS]

  mp3 encoding is not is not well paralyzed apple and because there's like [TS]

  this bit reservoir something I don't know they're there some reason I was [TS]

  looking I was looking into it while at the lame encoder is not just single [TS]

  threat it's lame yeah you know it [TS]

  any any compression scheme the data depends on the day via becomes both [TS]

  before and after it's not easy to break it up into chunks big chunks are related [TS]

  to each other owners are [TS]

  so insanely CPU intensive that I would imagine they were designed from the very [TS]

  beginning to be more parallel they have the same thing like video codecs have [TS]

  the thing we're like the current frame depends on the past frame in the future [TS]

  for and so like obviously these are paralyzed but there's blocks there's [TS]

  like to be frame or something and then there's the block and you like you can [TS]

  pass one block to a different thread paralyzing but it's not as simple as [TS]

  something like you know just copy data up into pieces have those pieces process [TS]

  independently reassemble the results which would be like strictly linear [TS]

  parallelization right exactly I don't know I think what concerns me about this [TS]

  of course I wonder I wonder if we can get a comparison between the like the [TS]

  single-threaded tests of this versus my current 3.33 gigahertz two generations [TS]

  old this might be slower and something certain things cause I could have that [TS]

  rocked los dominicanos anyway after the show but substitute this is very [TS]

  interesting though that this tells us this was quite a lot of new information [TS]

  that a good the new Mac Pro is faster but if you look this this announces [TS]

  details about the Xeon confirms you know certain certain percentage improvement [TS]

  over the previous leon's so this is very interesting to see how and why the [TS]

  unrelated note in the chapel was asking how un Marco you and I met and then [TS]

  said its long and in most interesting story and then Simon Cowell I said his [TS]

  or her part why the friendship is not what I thought I don't feel like we [TS]

  should tell the story because I think I'd rather watch all our friends in the [TS]

  chat just invent answers it's probably more interesting than the real story all [TS]

  its so much more [TS]