The Accidental Tech Podcast

15: Cat, Modifier Cat


  all your data is out there and you have no idea of its valid you just [TS]

  propagating single bit errors and all your backups and infinitum you don't [TS]

  worry about that [TS]

  think about that how I choose not to worry about that when your wedding [TS]

  pictures are corrupted in the giant pink pixel [TS]

  well firstly appeal pics on my face would be your prolly be an improvement [TS]

  but secondly I have like 35 backups that including the original there are [TS]

  corrupted because once they go back to the original disk you just corrupting [TS]

  your backups just propaganda corruption because you have no idea to have the [TS]

  original DVDs will keep it hot spots on Inc under plastic that a lot of forever [TS]

  and organic dyes so it decomposes I hate you so much so what we talked about [TS]

  today [TS]

  well this is turning into the external market podcast because you've gone in [TS]

  sold stuff again I'm waiting to be told that I've been replaced or sold or I [TS]

  know somebody else's my daddy now so a big week yet little bit at least this is [TS]

  the last one out of stuff do things I saw so many jokes about how your next [TS]

  appt has already been sold and nobody even knows what it is yet that's that's [TS]

  pretty good I don't know what it is yet that's pretty good actually at this [TS]

  point to know what it is but we'll see if you just pay attention to what such [TS]

  as the go-to during the BBC will probably get a pretty easily but it [TS]

  doesn't matter I don't know why I'm really excited to finally have like [TS]

  basically I mentioned at some point before the magazine sales public in and [TS]

  I should mention to like we never engine this almost a month ago and it just so [TS]

  happened that we did arrange it after the Instapaper thing but it was before [TS]

  the Tumblr thing and so we as a team of things going on in every million going [TS]

  into man this is gonna be hilarious when we announced and everyone everything i [TS]

  think im just selling everything I [TS]

  but yeah i the main reasons I wanted to sell the magazine were you know whatever [TS]

  in the blog post which is basically I had created a job for myself that was a [TS]

  lot less of what I wanted to do than I expected [TS]

  like it was a lot of just administrative stuff and and process stuff and overhead [TS]

  and almost no development you know I kind of wish that I failed spectacularly [TS]

  as you do in creating these are appearing at these lucrative appearing [TS]

  businesses that you just have to be burdened with unloading it's a tough [TS]

  life you live Marco sorry I me know it's you know it the other main reason that I [TS]

  wanted to so it is that because it was taking up my time and it was and it's [TS]

  it's a mental burden as well having these things you know like everything [TS]

  you do you know occupies some kind of space in your mind and in your you know [TS]

  when you look in your present state of mind I'm probably abusing these terms I [TS]

  know I'm definitely not a Buddhist or anything that anyone who would be [TS]

  trained properly and in being able to describe these things but i i i dont [TS]

  know I don't like having things on my played they're not really into and [TS]

  obviously there's some stuff that you got to do just you know you gotta do it [TS]

  like you guys do your taxes you got a you know clean your house and you know [TS]

  like their stuff you gotta do but some like making your own business you know [TS]

  that's you have control over that so anyway one of the reasons why I wanted [TS]

  to sell Instapaper was because it was like weighing on me mentally that I [TS]

  didn't want to put in the effort into it that it really deserved and and a lot of [TS]

  I couldn't put in the effort really deserved with the magazine it was more [TS]

  like I can keep doing this [TS]

  indefinitely because it wasn't taking up much of my time but why keep a business [TS]

  around that I'm barely putting anything into and what I learned also like you [TS]

  know the answer to that question the right now because it makes money right [TS]

  around that makes money that I barely put anything into it [TS]

  yeah that's the answer but the reality is like you know you can ask Ashley [TS]

  people who buy a restaurant [TS]

  thinking of this will generate money for ever like you know maybe but you're [TS]

  gonna be involved whether you like it or not like it like it's gonna need you you [TS]

  know like it's the idea of a business that generates passive money you never [TS]

  have to touch it that those do exist but not really in the software world they [TS]

  were they really don't exist you can you can neglect something for a while and it [TS]

  can work for a little while but it doesn't really exist in the sense that [TS]

  you're still going to have to maintain that you're still gonna be responsible [TS]

  for that you know it doesn't you can't just let it sit there and and stagnate [TS]

  forever you know eventually things are going to dwindle down people going to [TS]

  see the you haven't done much to it while and they're gonna move on or [TS]

  something going to break you know would like to text me at one problem something [TS]

  might break at any point and you know cause problems so there's no reason you [TS]

  couldn't have done exactly what glenn is doing now which is like you know so he's [TS]

  taking the reins now and he's not a developer had both not a lot this kind [TS]

  of developer so he is just maybe bringing people on to take over [TS]

  development the IRS to apt to do also translate things while he you know sort [TS]

  of Rangel's them so it seems to me that it's like if your heart was in it at [TS]

  this what you really wanted to be was like run a publication and grow [TS]

  publication you would be doing it you know it has less to do with whether I [TS]

  mean whether the thing is making lots of money or a little bit money or how long [TS]

  it's going to make money because you're perfectly capable of doing the things [TS]

  that glenn is doing with it basically delegating to other people to do all the [TS]

  stuff delegating the development everything is that that does seem like [TS]

  something you want to do that's right you know and i could delegate the [TS]

  development to somebody else but the development was the party like the most [TS]

  and but there just wasn't that much and I want to do with it like you know I [TS]

  loved building the app and loved a little design tricks and everything and [TS]

  I love doing all that once the app is done I'm like well you know it's in [TS]

  maintenance mode basically and you couldn't there certainly features you [TS]

  can [TS]

  add there's some there's some good stuff to do it but it was also that I'd I [TS]

  really didn't care that much about I wasn't that motivated to do and and [TS]

  ultimately it wasn't [TS]

  you're right that if I wanted to keep doing this I could have there there's [TS]

  nothing you know of course I could have my theory is that but while I know you [TS]

  know just the way I feel I know that I'm not really I'm just not that into doing [TS]

  the management in the business stuff you know that's why I do that stuff because [TS]

  I have to not because I really loved it and so the magazine had become my role [TS]

  in the magazine had become pretty much all business stuff and overhead and none [TS]

  of the stuff I wanted to do very often and so what I also learned I was talking [TS]

  to our friend underscore David Smith recently a couple hours ago and Casino [TS]

  David Smith has lots of apps he he has a portfolio of many apps he does a lot of [TS]

  things I don't think I can really do that you know when when I started [TS]

  working on the magazine alongside Instapaper after I started learning some [TS]

  of these difficulties and my my motivation our personality or whatever [TS]

  it is whatever it is I'm not very good at working on multiple apps at the same [TS]

  time the same type you know I can do a web app and a native app that you know [TS]

  that those are different enough I can do a nap a podcast and blog because those [TS]

  are very different things and they they serve different different parts of my [TS]

  brain and my and my my satisfaction and what I what I do when I make but I [TS]

  really don't think I'm very good at having multiple apps that need attention [TS]

  like kind of a nursing clock app that was nothing you know you can I crapped [TS]

  out in a couple of days and and and it does it didn't require any maintenance [TS]

  and it made something like 30 bucks over the course of its life but you know it [TS]

  didn't require any maintenance so that you know that's another that's a whole [TS]

  other story but to have like two apps going at the same time that both need a [TS]

  good amount of attention on going I can't do that I I really don't work well [TS]

  that way [TS]

  way so I really I i wana I wanted to try this new thing I'm doing and it's an iOS [TS]

  app so you know I wanted to start a new thing and I know I could have kept doing [TS]

  the magazine but I was so not that into it already has a piece of what I what my [TS]

  job had become that I created for myself I was so not that into it already that [TS]

  you know i i wanted to clean place I wanted to have nothing else competing [TS]

  for my attention in the in the app space also I mentioned last episode or [TS]

  recently I don't know what I don't talk about mentioned last episode or [TS]

  something like that that that I work in burst of productivity running a [TS]

  publication doesn't really allow you to do that because there's a there's a [TS]

  publication schedule so every two weeks even though it wasn't a lot of work for [TS]

  me know glenn was doing almost all of it already but every two weeks I had to do [TS]

  XYZ and doing a podcast and you know that's that's a little bit different in [TS]

  that it's easier and it's more of me being creative and having this creative [TS]

  output publishing an issue of the magazine did not involve creativity on [TS]

  my part by very much you know why I picked a few photos and put the cover [TS]

  image that's about it and I had to pay checks to everybody and do the server [TS]

  push and stuff like that and he just wasn't it wasn't that interesting so [TS]

  like having to do it every two weeks [TS]

  felt like a restriction on me whereas oh and you can only take a week off I could [TS]

  show you know if we really want to we could take a week off not that any of us [TS]

  are likely to do that but if we really wanted to we could take a week off with [TS]

  with a publication you can't so it was a lock me into this fixed schedule but I [TS]

  don't really work very well that way so that was another reason but anyway it [TS]

  the main reason I wanted to sell it was because I wanted to clear my plate and [TS]

  and and be able to put myself into my next project fully and that makes [TS]

  complete sense and not to cycle and psychoanalyze you at all but it seems to [TS]

  me that we're seeing a trend and certainly have no need for a really long [TS]

  time so [TS]

  i feel like im someone qualified to speak about this it seems like I'm [TS]

  seeing a trend that anything that's compulsory you tend to not like and in [TS]

  the case of the magazine once you know it's a trend since like 1st grade it so [TS]

  I that's exactly my point you've talked a lot about how you don't really like [TS]

  homework you've talked about how you don't really love paying taxes which [TS]

  granted who does my love I love playing tackle that only dealing with it well I [TS]

  mean so also it seems like part of the reason that you got turned off by the [TS]

  magazine to build on what you're saying before is because you had to be [TS]

  productive at certain times it's not that you hated necessarily doing the [TS]

  work at least that's what it sounds to me anyway that it's not necessarily [TS]

  doing the work as much as you had to do it at a certain time and that's really [TS]

  tough and the other thing I'll say and then you can refute everything I just [TS]

  told you if you want because I'm trying to put words in your mouth [TS]

  the other thing I'll say is it's like the same reason you don't have the 1 [TS]

  a.m. anymore you've got your fancy nice car you don't want to have to choose [TS]

  between two equally fancy nice cars so ridiculously good I know you're gonna [TS]

  get me started when I want to do that nobody nobody but you know i mean you [TS]

  don't want to have to choose between two nice things any more than you want to [TS]

  have to choose between two crummy things or whatever the case may be and whether [TS]

  or not other people understand what the burden was that matters he felt it was a [TS]

  burden and you felt that you had to work on it rather than desired to and so [TS]

  that's the point at which at least to me it seems that's the point at which you [TS]

  sold Instapaper when you felt like you had to work on it that's the point which [TS]

  he saw the magazine's well when you felt like you had to work on it and when you [TS]

  didn't want to work on it anymore I mean turnouts I was twenty that's what I'm [TS]

  saying yeah that's that's pretty accurate i mean you know I i'm not i'm [TS]

  not another very complicated personality there's not a lot of layers here it's [TS]

  pretty much what you see is what you get like you know I don't make any effort to [TS]

  hide all that stuff and you know that that's that's me i mean that's pretty [TS]

  fair John any observations on that before we totally sidestep thanks Marco [TS]

  is doing what we would do if we could [TS]

  not do the things you don't want to do it do things you do want to do right [TS]

  yeah do you want to share anything about this forthcoming up and I did not figure [TS]

  out now is whether or not I should ask questions yet I will in time I'm kind of [TS]

  I'm still debating in my head as DVD out loud is boring I'm still debating in my [TS]

  head whether whether to announce anything about the app before it's ready [TS]

  whether to put up like a splash page and do all that both groups or or you know [TS]

  all the all the stuff people do I put their app havoc you and I knew that but [TS]

  you know had like a splash page antes it's a coming soon who you know I don't [TS]

  wanna do that or just say what the Appleby and then click feedback the [TS]

  expense of having competitors you know then copy me and stuff so I i dont know [TS]

  why I'm gonna decide all those things over the next coming over the next few [TS]

  months but but what I what I have decided is that I'm not going to make [TS]

  any major decisions about the apps feature set or design or layout or [TS]

  navigational structure until after the BBC I want to see what I was 7 [TS]

  introduces I want to see what's different and what's coming up and then [TS]

  I will decide fully like here's the kind of you know feature set this will have [TS]

  here's what the business model like you know if they introduce something like [TS]

  upgrade pricing her trials that might influence my decision on the business [TS]

  model so I don't want to make any decisions yet on all those big things [TS]

  but and I'll see you know it may be throughout the summer meal tease it [TS]

  maybe I will just announced it outright and it won't be available yet or maybe [TS]

  I'll just shut up about it until it's ready I don't know yet what did you see [TS]

  what Justin Williams is doing with whatever he's building I do not have a [TS]

  chance to look at that yeah yeah I forget what he's calling it man I win [TS]

  this is an accidental pocket and he said yes it's a car reference case we should [TS]

  know this I'm disappointed myself but the promise in case you're not familiar [TS]

  is you get this [TS]

  passbook item into passbook and I guess what he's doing is he's going to update [TS]

  it with little [TS]

  bits and blurbs about the forthcoming app as he decides to release it and [TS]

  whether or not you believe in pre releasing things and pronouncing things [TS]

  I think it's a very clever and different take on something that we've seen ad [TS]

  nauseam our entire lives so I don't know Marco if you had any thoughts on that I [TS]

  guess if you have a chance to look at it but it looks like it you know that the [TS]

  point of it has to do things like a combination of of being able to tease [TS]

  apps that are coming and also like the iOS version of a newsletter yeah he like [TS]

  traditional software developers especially Indies who likes on the Mac [TS]

  and stuff they they have for a long time [TS]

  had like mailing list they maintain then you know I talked with us before our [TS]

  friends over there we're like they hardly ever mail anything out to people [TS]

  but when they make a brand new product or a major update then they will and [TS]

  that's always like a significant source of revenue anniversary of customers [TS]

  coming back and buy new stuff and people actually like that and I west there's [TS]

  there's no good way to do it you can kind of you weren't allowed to do it [TS]

  push notifications of the people do but you are allowed to technically and you [TS]

  know you want to annoy people and you also don't usually have access to things [TS]

  like their email address so this is an interesting idea if it's gonna address [TS]

  some of that be beyond just the promoting upcoming app thing but I guess [TS]

  that's all I have to say I don't know much about ya John did you have any [TS]

  thoughts of saying he did wasn't sure whether he wanted to think ahead of time [TS]

  it seems pretty clear to me that you don't want to tease in a time but only [TS]

  considering it because it may be a good way to you know bill you know good buzz [TS]

  for your application [TS]

  here's the thing I've always thought building buzz before you can actually [TS]

  get it is kind of a waste because I know when like I where I was I was talking to [TS]

  somebody about this article over that was hopeful it wasn't you guys that [TS]

  there's this movie board it's a documentary about sign painters people [TS]

  used to paint signs by hand before like vinyl signs and everything and [TS]

  they keep they keep wrote in this thing everywhere and I see it everywhere and [TS]

  it's it's a documentary it's been like film festivals and stuff but i cant get [TS]

  it I can't buy it i cant rented I can view it online I can't get no matter [TS]

  what I do I won't be able to get it for months and so they're getting all this [TS]

  public knowledge publicity out there and I'm interested I'm I'm responding I'm [TS]

  saying I want to I want to see this movie I will pay a few bucks right now [TS]

  to see this movie if you can get to me but it's not out and that's why we [TS]

  created a custom early because what's probably gonna happen is gonna come out [TS]

  in six months and I don't care anymore and I will have forgotten by then so i I [TS]

  hate pre hyping things because you get people interested in me this is one of [TS]

  the reasons why the Apple strategy works so well apple says nothing until things [TS]

  available and it's alright here's awesome new thing you want this right [TS]

  you can buy it today or this Friday you know that's you can you respond [TS]

  immediately the hype does something for you when when the price on even [TS]

  available yet and not be available for months what can you really do with that [TS]

  what can you really do with all that hype like to meeting its kind of [TS]

  arrogant to expect people to remember all that crap in two or three months I [TS]

  mean I wouldn't do like this this is a spectrum are you wouldn't tease it way [TS]

  way way ahead of time but perhaps like like basically first you don't put [TS]

  anything up until the thing is basically done and all you're doing is delaying it [TS]

  so you can build the site so maybe it was only like one week or two weeks lead [TS]

  time when you are actually finished basically you're just like this is the [TS]

  ramp-up choose a lie I wouldn't say like to do with the movies and teases the [TS]

  summer before it comes out with you know some of scary image to get people [TS]

  excited about what the movie is you know but it's what I was getting at before is [TS]

  that if marketing was not a factor at all and human beings weren't buying this [TS]

  application here just making sure your notification you would release it when [TS]

  it's done the not say anything about it ahead of time to say what it is at this [TS]

  point right now it seems like your inclination is why would never tell [TS]

  anyone anything until it's done and never give you doing here it is but the [TS]

  only reason you're considering it is because maybe maybe that attitude is a [TS]

  bit too close to this maybe there's something that's a happy medium where [TS]

  three days before I have a countdown clock or weekend it's hard to put an [TS]

  image or something like that you know you have to look at it as you know [TS]

  formula like what's in it for me really like a white one is my benefit from free [TS]

  announcing and Preeti Singh something and it's hard honestly I would love to [TS]

  share stuff with people love to share information with people I've been burned [TS]

  a lot in the past by being ripped off and I'm still very sensitive to that you [TS]

  know I am trying to I'm trying to reduce my sensitivity to that over time but I [TS]

  still am very sensitive to it and so the last thing I want to do is announced I'm [TS]

  going to do and then get ripped off before even doing well the one thing I [TS]

  would say in and then maybe we can do a quick sponsor the one thing I would say [TS]

  is that in my personal opinion you've just pre-announced everything you should [TS]

  need to pray announcer and need is a probably poor choice of words but [TS]

  everything you might want to pronounce we know that you're working on an iOS [TS]

  app we know that it's going to be something different and I don't think we [TS]

  really need to know any more than that and I think I echo what your what you [TS]

  were saying earlier that it's almost disrespectful to to say more than that I [TS]

  mean people know you've cleaned your plate of our obligations presumably you [TS]

  found something that's no longer compulsory but actually interesting to [TS]

  work on and so everyone knows that you're not gonna sit on your island with [TS]

  your shots and helicopters and injuring five and drive in circles so I'm not [TS]

  that that's all I think anyone wants to know is that we're gonna get something [TS]

  else in the world thanks to you I can tell you that it will contain a [TS]

  UIWebView and does not want you very tough this week we have two brand new [TS]

  sponsors say what the first one right now the first one is from rem Objects [TS]

  Software it's called oxygen for cocoa and it's a new programming language but [TS]

  and it's for cocoa and the Objective C runtime so I want to explain this [TS]

  properly to give me some leeway here basically so they say especially they [TS]

  even address this comment to John it is not a bridge and it is not an [TS]

  abstraction layer it is a true language for the platform and it replaces [TS]

  Objective C within the tool stack so it gives you full and direct access to all [TS]

  the cocoa classes and API's all the objects you interact with on the code [TS]

  are the real objective see objects you're calling method are real UIButton [TS]

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  is all but indistinguishable from one created with Objective C in Xcode and if [TS]

  you debug the app where he learned instruments it looks like an objective [TS]

  see so all those things just work the language is based on Object Pascal but [TS]

  there's a good reason that their tagline is it's not your daddy's Pascal didn't [TS]

  have passed out maybe you're at it as it goes well beyond what most people [TS]

  associate with Pascal but maintains all the readability inconsistency that makes [TS]

  Pascal a great language so it has many advanced features that they say blows [TS]

  objective Seattle water things like future types class contracts and many [TS]

  elements that make it just more convenient and straight forward to using [TS]

  Objective C you can use plus ticket to concatenate to a strings and it will [TS]

  automatically box from integer tune and his number if you call method on you [TS]

  know stuff like that so many other cool thing about this is that this oxygen [TS]

  language is also available for platform and for Java and Android so if [TS]

  you are writing applications for multiple platforms or say a server [TS]

  backend you can do it all in the same language oxygen in around on on dot net [TS]

  for about eight years and it's the most widely used non-microsoft language in [TS]

  the platform so you know what they say is you know it's it's not it isn't to [TS]

  encourage the right to write once run everywhere kind of crappy cross-platform [TS]

  apps but it's designed to let you create platforms create a free platform [TS]

  natively [TS]

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  you can find out more at Ram objects dot com that sorry an object dot com slash [TS]

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  13 once again at the RAM objects dot com slash oxygen with an E on the end and [TS]

  use coupon code 80134 20% off thank you very much too [TS]

  Oxygene 4 oxygen for coca from remote software as Princess oxygen in my head [TS]

  the entire time recycle sponsorship until they give me the tax and they gave [TS]

  me the the pronunciation guide that it is pronounced oxygen it had been sending [TS]

  me the links and I was going to the site and reading the site and also pronounced [TS]

  it the wrong way into my head [TS]

  yeah it a nice option with 16 the top thing on this site should have been just [TS]

  a pronunciation is there anyone behind this that we were no cause I wonder [TS]

  where these companies come from because like what they're doing is not it's not [TS]

  something like this thing where you read on language and deploy analyzed a small [TS]

  job right and yet [TS]

  like you know they seem like where do these people come from or when they must [TS]

  have been toiling on this in obscurity for like years they said they'd been a [TS]

  Microsoft platforms for eight years so I think that's where they came from his is [TS]

  the day started out there and then and now the branch and I was that makes some [TS]

  sense because Mike how in the world do you ever accomplished that in any [TS]

  reasonable time for any you know I have no idea and more like an apple do stuff [TS]

  like that they're not they can [TS]

  they just don't care about anyone but themselves they themselves paying taxes [TS]

  that sounds like fun [TS]

  God and sorta kinda speaking paying taxes [TS]

  the other thing I want to bring at least briefly talked about is Tim Cook at [TS]

  AllThingsD which was what [TS]

  last night I believed at the time recording which is Tuesday night so [TS]

  there were a couple of interesting things that came of this and to be [TS]

  honest conversation may be fairly short but one of the things that I thought was [TS]

  really awesome was the way he talked about how Apple used their job [TS]

  him said we think that the customer pays sauce to make certain choices on their [TS]

  behalf [TS]

  instead of going in and I've seen some settings on these phones were here [TS]

  your deep into the bowels of the thing choosing this and that me other than the [TS]

  other than that I don't think that's what most customers more just someone [TS]

  that yes supports but is that a mainstream customer when I don't think [TS]

  so I thought that was about as good a way as any that i've ever heard somebody [TS]

  sum up the way Apple approaches products and I know when I talk to a lot of my [TS]

  developer friends particularly the local ones that works or other languages [TS]

  they all get very angry about the fact that they don't have a lot of control [TS]

  over iOS devices and that's why a lot of museums or advices and I i keep coming [TS]

  back to you know five ten years ago maybe ten years ago I would have much [TS]

  preferred an Android device because I could fiddle with it and tweak it and [TS]

  turn it into something honestly kind of awful but now I just want stuff to work [TS]

  and I want Apple to make those choices for me and I and again I thought this [TS]

  was just an unbelievably good and short way of summing it up I don't know what [TS]

  you guys thought about it I was getting nervous when I hear Tim Cook saying [TS]

  product related thanks not that I think like leaving his house he speaks with a [TS]

  company that's fine and everything but that I'm IIS my picture of him in my [TS]

  head is not like that's not his strength like I would much rather see him when he [TS]

  starts talking about something like why they don't have a large line of phones [TS]

  and all the different things but international business and manufacturing [TS]

  I'm confident that he's an expert in those areas but in these other areas I [TS]

  feel like here's doing what a lot of other invite normal CEO's do which is [TS]

  really saying the result of discussions with the lower level experts in the [TS]

  company or a tier below him we're here below them you know I don't I don't know [TS]

  like it does sound like oh you know it sounds like a summary of previous [TS]

  discussions and i dont if you left it out to ten cook what things would be [TS]

  allowed to be insulting someone things wouldn't be I feel like you make bad [TS]

  decisions in one direction or another and you know they would would have very [TS]

  few seconds but there'll be the wrong settings are here and no settings mats [TS]

  untenable just ask mark up or he would have too many settings and not like the [TS]

  style settings hold separate topics like it you know the reason and we talked [TS]

  about this because it's not easy you can just give her like are you should have [TS]

  no settings are are you should have its you setting as possible [TS]

  you have to have just the exact right settings you have to know it's kind of [TS]

  like a gut feeling or whatever what are the right settings that what is [TS]

  important what isn't because we all know that you know the settings and [TS]

  application can make or break it right [TS]

  doesn't mean you have to have a lot of them but if you don't know what you're [TS]

  doing a lot of them it's like well everyone needs to change something can [TS]

  change things I want to change that's pretty terrible right but by the same [TS]

  token if you put in the wrong settings only three seconds into the wrong ones [TS]

  it's like man this absolutely perfect if I could only do accent doesn't have to [TS]

  be effortless name could be something important like it totally breaks away [TS]

  worker's application because it doesn't you know I can't change this particular [TS]

  behavior and then it drives me insane [TS]

  the application is no good for you and everyone got one of those you can so [TS]

  that everybody so like that's the art of it figuring out for the most people the [TS]

  the top five most important things that should be settings because neither [TS]

  decision is clearly right thing to do and that's what I know within that is [TS]

  sort of an arch more than anything else on here like I'm a jury type person [TS]

  giving a pat answer like oh they pay us to make decisions for them and I know [TS]

  some people want settings but most people don't let people applaud that and [TS]

  like this that's like a platitude it's not you know if I know that's backed by [TS]

  the good taste to know which ones to set them that's fine but if it is here in [TS]

  isolation unlike you know I'm not impressed by that statement but it will [TS]

  no I don't think you're being mean to Tim Cook but what i think is hard is to [TS]

  realize early start for me anyways to realize that team may not be the man [TS]

  that knows that unlike steve but he's smart enough to find the person man or [TS]

  woman that can make that call and empower them to do so and I think giving [TS]

  Jony ive and Craig Federici a little bit more control is evidence of that that [TS]

  that I think Tim knows that he's not that guy but he won't power the guy or [TS]

  girl that is that guy or girl that make any sense at all like his he's got it's [TS]

  unfair to him as he only one guy can be on that stage and it's got to be him so [TS]

  he has to speak for the company right i mean we're kind of spoiled by Steve Jobs [TS]

  where he could speak about that particular topic like it was reversed by [TS]

  Steve Johnson Steve Jobs to talk about like supply chains and and inventory [TS]

  then you tell he was not talking about something that he was he was merely [TS]

  channeling Tim Cook and it's weird to see that reversed now you know when tim [TS]

  is talking about financial stuff and supply chains [TS]

  that's like him talking and the other times it's him representing the rest of [TS]

  the company [TS]

  well i i think first of all I think it's worth pointing out that steve did make [TS]

  tons of bad decisions and he did often rely on the people below him arguing [TS]

  with him until he relented and and and sometimes he didn't relent and ship bad [TS]

  decisions to the public and then head to head to go back on those [TS]

  so I you know there's that anyway I think china think you're being a little [TS]

  bit me know me too I think you know you look at this guy talk and I think about [TS]

  halfway through the video I i read the livestream last night as it was [TS]

  happening but the last year does not capture it very well first of all the [TS]

  live stream is generally paraphrase they don't they don't usually say the exact [TS]

  words to the usually can't keep up and and so you know it helps to watch the [TS]

  video to really get an idea of what he said exactly what he said and how he [TS]

  said it and you look at the sky speak and he has a rock I mean he he is rock [TS]

  stable rock-solid he was saying with congress like you can't make the sky [TS]

  flinch and I think if he was if he was mainly just repeating things he was told [TS]

  her things you had been taught by the by the by the lower down people about the [TS]

  product costs fees and stuff I don't think he would be quite as Solomon [TS]

  talking about the many think I think you'd see him doing a lot more [TS]

  misstatements or kind of awkward clumsy handling of the Stevens but he doesn't [TS]

  do that he is rock solid and so i i think i think he really has internalized [TS]

  everything he needs to internalize too to be that kind of the CEO of a product [TS]

  focused company like this i really think that he that he knows a lot more and he [TS]

  has a lot more responsibilities than given credit for here looking for is [TS]

  basically like you know i i don't think he doubts that he's shaken many of the [TS]

  principles but when it comes down to it as I said the tricky part about this is [TS]

  not this unlike a lot of the economic stuff is not a science it's more of an [TS]

  art and he's not the one with that gut feeling that is going to drive the [TS]

  company has he said you know Steve Jobs got too but for the most part in the big [TS]

  sweeping decisions like we should make a deal computer we should make a music [TS]

  player and it should be like this and we should get into phones and it's not [TS]

  going to ship until it's good enough for me like in the in the big things his gut [TS]

  was blunt [TS]

  drove these things so it's one thing to say you know this this abstract [TS]

  philosophy of will make decisions for you and choose what needs to be in the [TS]

  application and what doesn't and nothing to know that that is also the guy who's [TS]

  got it going to guide big sweeping things like what is Mac OS 10 gonna look [TS]

  like the fact that was all crazy and blue and shiny or whatever right place [TS]

  at the right thing to do the wrong thing to do i mean your gut can be wrong about [TS]

  these things and like he's not the guy with that right that's true even though [TS]

  he understands the principles and like I said I think it's basically receive jobs [TS]

  who never jobs talked about the economic stuff he's a smart guy he knew all the [TS]

  principles but when it came down to it [TS]

  decide like which supply should do what and how much of the flash memory should [TS]

  be pretty by and it's a good deal we're gonna be saddled with tons of LCDs that [TS]

  we don't mediator should wait for this he wasn't the guy to make that call but [TS]

  he just understand all the underlying concepts and it's probably true that Tim [TS]

  Cook is much much more solid been talking about top topics that he's not [TS]

  the super duper expert in the jobs was because I dot jobs to talk about [TS]

  economics he sounded more like he was somebody merely parroting things that he [TS]

  learned from other people even though he also probably understood them but I [TS]

  think the thing that looks favorite during this entire thing and especially [TS]

  i think i to last year's WWDC which I probably came across in the keynote we [TS]

  were there we saw a speck on the stage of whatever but you can't feel them [TS]

  around that the Tim Cook is has the same enthusiasm and passion and he's not [TS]

  faking it Steve Jobs have these things I think about the time he was he was on [TS]

  stage talking about like that the blind guy using the iPad to like walk around [TS]

  the woods and he's in my season Academy award-winning actor he was not faking [TS]

  like the fact that that that made him feel like what he's doing with his [TS]

  career and life is meaningful write more so than all the stuff they asked about [TS]

  market share files or whatever he is really you know touched by the idea the [TS]

  things he's making your changing the world in a touchy-feely Apple you know [TS]

  kind of way [TS]

  and that that i think is his best asset as CEO Markus second-best [TS]

  second to his expertise in the job that he had before he was see is the fact [TS]

  that he really is enthusiastic about the stuff and he's not he's not a bean [TS]

  counter and he's not just out there too assertive steer the ship and like he's [TS]

  not just a manager from Andrew sake why you have to come back to where he was [TS]

  before I you know why you know you don't sell sugar water coming Stephen change [TS]

  the world well with Tim too I think we've really seen over the last year [TS]

  especially we've really seen him just developed this incredible image of just [TS]

  not only being an absolute rock about everything and you know this is this is [TS]

  definitely a guy you want running your company but you can also tell that he's [TS]

  not an idiot on any level like you know like to use of Steve Jobs where the he's [TS]

  not a bozo at all like you can tell this guy is sharp and knows exactly what he's [TS]

  doing but he's also and he has he's very deliberate in what he does you know it [TS]

  doesn't it doesn't feel like he's like you know there are 38 the law see what [TS]

  sticks it seems like he's really being a very deliberate about everything he does [TS]

  but also he projects a very very nice personality when he speaks publicly he [TS]

  seems he seems extremely polite well-spoken in personable but still firm [TS]

  and strong and so I think he has the perfect image of what you do lawn a CEO [TS]

  of a of an important company to have when he's extremely deliberate in the [TS]

  way he speaks as well something I wish I could be better about is taking a moment [TS]

  to think about what you were going to say specially in like a one-on-one [TS]

  conversation this podcast is little bit different but if you're in a serious [TS]

  conversation saying remember that I do consultant for a living so say I'm had a [TS]

  client and they asked me a question my natural inclination is to fire off an [TS]

  answer immediately and one thing that I respect deeply about him is that he will [TS]

  sit there and allows silence so he can collect his thoughts [TS]

  and make sure that his answer is a great one [TS]

  not just a good one not just an acceptable one but a great one and it [TS]

  was a big Steve Jobs and Steve Jobs was just like that that pause and a certain [TS]

  point steve jobs that are you wanted to see pausing together his thoughts or is [TS]

  now is now is asked of a head game like he's already knows what he's gonna like [TS]

  it was a 1998 or whatever he was doing Q&A and the guy pat and they're not just [TS]

  question about the United question is like it was clear that you don't know [TS]

  what you doing here in a bit open doc or something it would never end he just the [TS]

  pause after that I should time in the video it's like so long are you waiting [TS]

  for their response there I can think of a couple of things to say about Tim Cook [TS]

  just like well compared to save jobs right and with any kind of powerful [TS]

  person speaking publicly like you previously had two choices you get the [TS]

  guy who really truly believes what he sayin and his earnest about it and the [TS]

  guy who says exactly the right thing but give some kind of hinted he also knows [TS]

  that it's been good examples being at the top of the stairs the Congressional [TS]

  Ethics playing apples business everything and did nothing wrong like he [TS]

  did exactly what you're supposed to do and i cant decide I actually like I can [TS]

  decide for me I think it's worse to be the guy who really believes that [TS]

  everything you're telling congress is the 100% straight honest truth like you [TS]

  know the fact that he never mentioned why then did things overseas and how is [TS]

  a tax avoidance schemes stuff like that like everything you said was true is a [TS]

  sort of an errand of omission and I feel more comfortable like Steve Jobs is [TS]

  doing it he would he would make it clear that everyone knows is BS 'cause ever [TS]

  watching those its BS congress notice vs Tim Cook know we all know it's like kind [TS]

  of its theater right but sometimes I think that temp the first second or two [TS]

  I think the team could really believes what he's saying I'm like wait a second [TS]

  he knows what's really you know he's no dummy we're all in on this or whatever [TS]

  but he's so earnestly like oh my god maybe he really believes that you know [TS]

  like now come on here and to me that's worse I would rather have [TS]

  like the guy who's in on the sort of shared delusion that were all you know [TS]

  the suspension of disbelief for this theater type thing but then the true [TS]

  believer technique is it a second time cook really believes the dead everything [TS]

  he omitted in discussing the apples various tax shelters [TS]

  doesn't exist then we know no trouble I mean this is testament to how incredibly [TS]

  Ernest N R's like for a second he can you believe it he really believes it [TS]

  before the Tim Cook Off things deak on topic I do want to point out also that a [TS]

  lot of people have said no he hasn't really said anything here he didn't say [TS]

  anything to really learn anything and I think that's all crap I I think he said [TS]

  quite a lot and he said it in the Apple way and in the Tim Cook way but I think [TS]

  he said quite a lot of interesting things that's criminology I mean like if [TS]

  you go back to I would watch the Steve Jobs when you're all just looking to see [TS]

  like it never gonna say so so there's reporters who have no idea about you [TS]

  know just generic reporters like they go through don't seem like you said [TS]

  anything but for people who are following every single you know there is [TS]

  a bar that comes out of Apple when you ask him you know what do you think about [TS]

  big screens and I guess you resume tomorrow and the first things I was [TS]

  mounted as well we're not making one yet I mean like best the answer like that is [TS]

  that is the biggest answer ever gonna get anything like even steve Jobs was [TS]

  never that open even in his wildest days we're not making one yet but I really [TS]

  now for the future whatever he doesn't say that if they don't have the largest [TS]

  falling like in the planning stages are ready and little little things like that [TS]

  they were dropped everywhere about you know timeline of television time lining [TS]

  anything with wearable its kinda reminds me of Steve Jobs Wayne like i remember i [TS]

  was way before the iPhone like five years I'm sure that when they were [TS]

  talking with people were asking about PDA that was the big thing to do is like [TS]

  a PDA like they tried to buy Palmer and spring or something and been rebuffed [TS]

  are now set of results secret no remorse and stuff and people kept asking about [TS]

  PDA is and a certain point you know give answer is no comments have a certain [TS]

  point steve Jobs said to some reporter really believe that phones over the [TS]

  future of this is going to be making a phone like that and that's why four [TS]

  years my friends and I really like you know what is the iPhone coming everybody [TS]

  called the iPhone cases the iMac iPhone coming in then we start to lose [TS]

  statesman-like never gonna make a phone it's been such a long time but like back [TS]

  then like when when you make a statement like that to reporter you might as well [TS]

  just come out and say exactly what you're doing I guess reporters can [TS]

  report on it because it would be you know the heating season really say that [TS]

  but for people are reading the tea leaves it's all out there on the opening [TS]

  that in his answers I would say specifically he seemed to confirm [TS]

  in his hand in the Apple way he seemed to confirm that they are working on some [TS]

  kind of watch like device that includes multiple types of sensors and search [TS]

  multiple functions don't you did you get the impression that wearable stuff I [TS]

  think there might be something new that's a really interesting area one [TS]

  thing and it has to have multiple sensors and he's he's he's looking at a [TS]

  place that Nike FuelBand on his wrist [TS]

  he's like describing his product obliquely at that point I mean I think [TS]

  that was a very a very clear [TS]

  not not even a hint that was like beating you over the head we are doing [TS]

  something like a watch that's going to have multiple sites like the entering [TS]

  new product categories like and possibly as it seems the people freak out about [TS]

  it like we did with the phone thing at the phone didn't come out like five [TS]

  years or whatever it was it was some insane amount of seemed like forever [TS]

  right it doesn't mean that the water is coming out next week like us the problem [TS]

  with the echo chamber of the news like you know what is coming is gonna come [TS]

  out any second now but I mines in these things are huge he just read the tea [TS]

  leaves to see all right [TS]

  is this something that I was even looking at because if you would ask them [TS]

  about was thinking of making the car his answer would have been not been [TS]

  the car a space is really interesting I think are made by Apple could be really [TS]

  interesting and it would have to use multiple sensors know he would say no [TS]

  we're not just a different answer right now all it does is tell you that [TS]

  something that you wear that you purchased from Apple that's not a clip [TS]

  on iPod Shuffle is potentially in the future of this company and tells you [TS]

  nothing about the timeline other than it's probably not a decade from now I [TS]

  but even on the timeline I think he was pretty clear that we're going to see a [TS]

  new category from Apple like this fall or early next year that could have been [TS]

  the TV had he not put the kibosh on that in his answers [TS]

  conference right you know like going there any calls like new category in [TS]

  every category TV which is it for a long time as a new category something that [TS]

  you wear which also been removed and then fast or to the conference get that [TS]

  both questions is very different answers my car and I guess it's the thing you [TS]

  where was it him that said that nobody wears watches anymore but it was [TS]

  interesting he said the live streams kind of transcribed as quickly but what [TS]

  he actually said was like for something to work here you first have to convince [TS]

  people that so incredible that they want to wear it because we're done that you [TS]

  two guys are wearing watches if we had a room full ten to twenty year olds and [TS]

  Henry said everybody stand up that has the Watchung I'm not sure anybody with [TS]

  standoff I don't see it ten to twenty year old I mean yeah ok so the guy deals [TS]

  with data that sounded a lot like they did a survey that sounded like that was [TS]

  a date that was data that they had looked up already like he wasn't just [TS]

  like that's the kind of thing that steve was just kind of wing from as you know [TS]

  from his gut I think him he was talking as though they were already looking into [TS]

  this and he liked the comment about multiple sensors and glasses sucking I [TS]

  really think he was pretty clearly telling us there's going to be something [TS]

  here under siege did do lots of market research jobs like the downplayed it he [TS]

  was saying they didn't focus your design which is true but underneath example I [TS]

  can think of that is speaking [TS]

  watches anymore is when people were asking about is a producer is a free [TS]

  iPad is obligated to some sort of reading device or whatever and he said [TS]

  nobody reads anymore and then he threw out like a couple of statistics in the [TS]

  only way he would know the statistics up top of his head is from Apple's on [TS]

  market research they had done in the planning stages for making the iPod [TS]

  Touch iPad which is so clearly in development then it's like by quoting a [TS]

  statistic that you know is it supposed to be shooting down the the argument of [TS]

  the persons they are you should make this thing out nobody read more of [TS]

  certain people say that no surveys show that people from this age group effort [TS]

  was throughout unlike you don't know that statistic off the top of your head [TS]

  if you had not investigated so it's the same time they did do market research [TS]

  they continue to do market research to see you know what kind of products [TS]

  they're gonna make I don't know if Tim does more of it and Stephen or Steve [TS]

  definite downplayed the idea that the day that you know anything other than [TS]

  spring from their creativity their big companies to market research I'm sure [TS]

  they know exactly how many people of what ages wear watches or would be [TS]

  willing to wear something and so on [TS]

  alright and to that end when he says you know if you have a room full was it ten [TS]

  twenty year olds or ten to twenty year olds it doesn't think it was ten to [TS]

  twenty year old ten to twenty year olds but to be honest it doesn't matter the [TS]

  point I'm driving out is when he says oh nobody in the ten to twenty year old [TS]

  range whatever the statistic was wearing a watch is that like a Barney Stinson [TS]

  challenge accepted moment or is that him saying no really nobody wants to watch [TS]

  and there's nothing we can do to stop it [TS]

  well what what he was what he was saying that the theme of what he was saying was [TS]

  basically that that if your gonna be able to wear a watch it has to be really [TS]

  really good that like an employment what's on the market now in the villa [TS]

  smart watches is not good enough to convince people to wear a watch you [TS]

  weren't already and who were nerds like you know people who are buying Google s [TS]

  and and so it sounded like it's only what he was saying was a combination of [TS]

  Google glass is a total flop and I will wear it and [TS]

  we think there's something to to be had in a in the watch area but nothing else [TS]

  out there is good enough yet which is typical Apple stuff to stop to say [TS]

  before they enter market right that's exactly my point is they're saying well [TS]

  right now it all sucks but the underlying under your breath comment is [TS]

  0 but we'll show you exactly like men's haps whatever the forties where all you [TS]

  know you look at the movies all the men on the street in New York City Roller [TS]

  hats and then eventually fell out of favor and then nobody had to work out [TS]

  like it did in fact it would be rude to I had to work to do like a baseball hat [TS]

  or something right [TS]

  men's dress hats and I guess women's dress had some degree fell out of [TS]

  fashion so if you had asked you know sixty years ago how many men wore a hat [TS]

  today on the way to our caller has an overall I think watches are like that in [TS]

  part because you know I should start with pagers people to start looking at [TS]

  the page or see what time was once you had some other way to tell what time it [TS]

  was other than a watch watches change from this practical thing you had to [TS]

  whereas you got places on time into merely like jewellery like a fashion [TS]

  accessory people still do wear watches but I I could do I wonder if they still [TS]

  pick up their phone to tell the time is right so I can say you know people don't [TS]

  watch is because like the function of a watches a timekeeper the goes on your [TS]

  wrist [TS]

  we don't need that anymore because that functionality has been some super smart [TS]

  devices but if we can make something that you can put on your rest of [TS]

  something does have value to you beyond just telling you what time it was then [TS]

  maybe that would be a good thing so we saying it is always stressed out there [TS]

  that don't have watches on because watches are not worth the time not worth [TS]

  putting on your wrist [TS]

  those are just waiting there for sign into this is gonna be attached to your [TS]

  body but something that you we're probably yes probably under arrest [TS]

  that's that's what he's saying that answers all those risks out there just [TS]

  crying out for something really cool for Apple to stick your house where watch [TS]

  now you know i didnt i didnt so I'd say a couple years ago and [TS]

  I've always enjoyed them and I've always told myself that if I ever hit it big in [TS]

  so everything that I own get myself a stupidly expensive watch and by that I [TS]

  mean like several hundred dollars as opposed to twenty but I i I keep telling [TS]

  myself on a by myself watching and I haven't worn one of the few years and [TS]

  I'm too cheap to buy one there is in the old tumblr office and i dont wanna say [TS]

  he wasn't kissing causing you problems but there is a guy who who shared the [TS]

  office and and he had a watch dealer come in like twice a year to show my [TS]

  keys like new fancy like really like $10,000 watchers and is looking at this [TS]

  this like you know kinda short thick guy was like an undershirt briefcase would [TS]

  come in open up the briefcase and show off 930 grandmother watches right there [TS]

  and it was it like the whole cult of like watch people like camera people but [TS]

  even more so because cameras have more of a function like once they tell time [TS]

  beyond that everything else is this latest fashion yeah and although I was [TS]

  just on podcast guy and Renee and I don't remember if this part of it was [TS]

  after the recording and interested in so you can forgive me for repeating it but [TS]

  we were talking about the washing and said to them was that this is such a [TS]

  dangerous area for apple or any other company because once you put something [TS]

  on your body in a way that counts as wearing you enter this whole other realm [TS]

  of crazy illogical nonsensical ego entangled decision-making [TS]

  you know the iPod shuffle you clip on your clothes and most people would say [TS]

  you're not wearing an iPod shuffle like I was just my ipod but it attaches to my [TS]

  clothing for convenient carrying the once you have something that I'm wearing [TS]

  this then you know forget it it's like many people will take electronic device [TS]

  carrier in their pocket or even clip it to their close to the things that are [TS]

  people that people are willing to wear that is acknowledged as a wearing thing [TS]

  is totally dictated by things that Apple really doesn't have any control over [TS]

  I'm sure I pulled up to the challenge but what a challenge that is give me [TS]

  something that I want to wear because it then becomes a fashion statement and [TS]

  expression of self much more so than even carrying a laptop or phone even [TS]

  those those things do you know you carry a part of your image with that thing I [TS]

  feel like wearing his like the next level at because basically if you make [TS]

  this thing [TS]

  ugly you know in the opinion of some buyer [TS]

  like this is the most awesome denies everything is awesome but I'm not gonna [TS]

  wear and that's part of the Google asking is because that's wearing when [TS]

  you put that thing on your head that counts is wearing something and it looks [TS]

  awkward to give you know how awesome is it just gonna be like you know i mean [TS]

  it's hard for me to be late because everything I own is unfashionable an [TS]

  ugly and stupid but other people have lots of their self-image tied up into [TS]

  looking good and you have to sort of I guess not if I could not stop on those [TS]

  land mines to get a product into there into their hands and they're willing to [TS]

  look at the people in our class some people just have no bearing on anything [TS]

  I have no doubt you should get coolness John futuristic I even have my limits [TS]

  the yellow and that is such a dangerous part about what about where we'll take [TS]

  and I'm gonna hop on particular going to navigate that because they're not gonna [TS]

  make seven hundred miles of the Samsung Islamic Center miles of the report [TS]

  product right and you'll be able to find one that works for you is the same thing [TS]

  with the phone cases right even though you don't wear phone bill by the phone [TS]

  but it is a Brazilian cases in some of the cases you find the people of [TS]

  rhinestone encrusted things are wooden cases are things that look like they're [TS]

  made of Legos are brushed metal like that's how people are able to even come [TS]

  to terms with things like carry a lot of time if you can't do something similar [TS]

  to something that you where I was going to be in trouble because no matter how [TS]

  neutral and tasteful they make it some persons gonna say I wouldn't worry that [TS]

  I'm aware that yes but you're also not considering that I think Apple at the [TS]

  moment anyway is more than not very trendy and so it's trendy in kind of [TS]

  cool now to have [TS]

  a silver laptop with a piece of fruit shining on the lid and I could swear [TS]

  that I had read stories years ago that people would connect iPod earbuds or [TS]

  iPhone earbuds tune on non-apple devices just so they also had the white crap [TS]

  dangling they would do that but like I that's why I'm saying I think there is a [TS]

  part of personal expression embodied in fashionable electronic devices you carry [TS]

  and this is like the next level you're not just carrying this you're wearing it [TS]

  like it's so crazy I think about shoes you know how crazy people are about the [TS]

  shoes they're not willing and not willing to work how many times you see [TS]

  somebody else's shoes you think man I would never wear those shoes but the [TS]

  person wearing those loves those shoes they paid 300 bucks right it's such an [TS]

  incredible range and people will reject products that are perfectly good in [TS]

  every possible way I can't worry that I won't wear that and yeah I i I will be [TS]

  really interesting to see how Apple navigates this because these are [TS]

  extremely dangerous waters they are but if you think about Apple's normal [TS]

  devices they're extremely simple and tasteful and generally speaking look [TS]

  good surely not everyone but generally speaking there's not a lot to them [TS]

  they're not very flashy and they just look good and so I actually I do agree [TS]

  with you and I think that this is a whole new territory they're not used to [TS]

  but I also think that they'll probably navigate these waters pretty darn pretty [TS]

  darn well they do the naked robotic chorus thing again I mean like I said [TS]

  his work for them with the phone because like you said something tasteful is very [TS]

  very unadorned very subdued or whatever but some people want to be picking [TS]

  rhinestone encrusted so there better be a way for me to take a pink rhinestones [TS]

  and shove them all over the Apple iWatch otherwise I'm not wearing that thing is [TS]

  it looks just so boring and ugly and looks like a techno babble and mind me [TS]

  to have rhinestones Euless right john I cannot wait to see you with your pink [TS]

  rhinestone encrusted watch I am extremely excited to go great with [TS]

  Motorola clamshell phone now with color screen [TS]

  have no idea three nerds talk about fashion that never lets you earn XP [TS]

  alright our next month sir it they need no introduction but the sad thing is [TS]

  that when applied all because there are still people out there who have not [TS]

  bought this yet it's over I don't know if it's pronounced Olver I say solver in [TS]

  my head but I salsa dr. Gina my head so I had not always right in its sole verso [TS]

  at sou lve are and what this is this is an app for the Mac iPhone and iPad and [TS]

  they told me to just wing it is they knew that I'm a massive fan of this so [TS]

  they don't even give me a script solver is basically a hybrid between a [TS]

  calculator a notepad and a spreadsheet if you can kind of thing I've done if [TS]

  you search my site for silver you'll see a post about ten times over the years it [TS]

  my god you have to basically if I'm working I have this happen but I have an [TS]

  open now even for a pocket I have always have it open what I suggest you do down [TS]

  the SAP I'm pretty sure there's a trial didn't even tell me that up I'm pretty [TS]

  sure yes there is a trial download the app give it a shot [TS]

  what you want to do is just once you once you install this app even just the [TS]

  trial just hi calculator if you have in your Dock take out your doctor never [TS]

  launched calculator again and I suggest trying on the Mac first that's really my [TS]

  peanuts were used the most that's where the best try it out instead of [TS]

  calculator and anytime you're anytime you would try to figure out some little [TS]

  computation type into a scratched silver document instead and once you start [TS]

  using it for like a day you will vary [TS]

  you'll instantly realize oh my God why have I been using stupid calculator apps [TS]

  besides this all these years like why have I why am i taking so long to find [TS]

  this out it's basically a scratch pad for numbers so ever since I started [TS]

  using this I don't know if 2005 or something that they've been around [TS]

  forever sorry to see it forever ago and ever since I started using it I I hardly [TS]

  ever use spreadsheet anymore and I never used anymore it is and it's for [TS]

  programmers for people who were just doing simple calculations basically if [TS]

  you're the kind of person who has ever launched the calculator app on your [TS]

  computer you can probably meet you can probably use this benefit from it so [TS]

  called solver sou lber is 20 bucks in the Mac App Store or directly from their [TS]

  site they also had some volume license discounts you can get for instance day [TS]

  for a for computer household pack for only 25 bucks volume licenses this is [TS]

  the kind of thing like if I was running a business with employees which I guess [TS]

  I want to Buyi apparently hate doing that but if I was running a business [TS]

  with employees I would buy one of these for every employee and just have it just [TS]

  hiked a clear on the computers there some kind of like groupId policy and put [TS]

  this on their instead really it's that good so they also have for iOS now use a [TS]

  friend you know I will say is a format more but an Iowa State really great [TS]

  first of all on the iPad there is no built-in calculator from Apple so easy [TS]

  to install something if you have any calculator [TS]

  install this it's awesome for lots of different things it's all and it does [TS]

  formulas it does very you can use variables a few simple logic and use [TS]

  labels I mean it's really an extremely high function application for for doing [TS]

  any kind of in a number scratchpad work it's it's just so good anything anything [TS]

  that you would otherwise use a simple spreadsheet for a call me figure out you [TS]

  know what my s3 costs are going to be this month my bandwidth like I just you [TS]

  saw it so it's just so perfect for this so anyway [TS]

  25 bucks for iPad it's three bucks for iPhone I even use it going on that I [TS]

  even use it as a like a scoreboard when I'm playing games in real life like if [TS]

  you're playing like 500 rummy with people planning kinda like table game [TS]

  it's only keep score between rounds I taking this offer every person will have [TS]

  a line label but their initials or name and I'll just do score + and every [TS]

  single time those around [TS]

  one of their name you can always see you can only see what everyones total is [TS]

  what each round was before that there's just so many uses for this app I use it [TS]

  constantly go get silver please for the love of all that is good girl gets over [TS]

  it is that good you need you need this app it's by qualia and its I'm going to [TS]

  try to spell it put in the show notes it so quickly I dot com slash silver sou [TS]

  lber or find it in the Mac App Store or the iOS App Store thanks to solver for [TS]

  sponsor so not to pile on at all but I solvers over whatever it's called is one [TS]

  of the few apps that I triple dipped in other words I'd to pay on all three [TS]

  platforms and I didn't feel bad about it because it really is that good and the [TS]

  other thing that I wanted to point out is that you know how a lot of people [TS]

  ourselves included have complained and moaned about how when you're building a [TS]

  calculator app for a computer you don't really in market you wrote a post about [TS]

  this I think you don't want to be encumbered by what's what what physical [TS]

  and solvers over whatever is a great midway between a spreadsheet and a [TS]

  calculator and they were able to do that because they trucked out all the Crofton [TS]

  old stuff from the physical world and just made something that's really great [TS]

  to Computerworld now that I think of it I just totally stole a blog post in my [TS]

  blog post but yeah you know it's like i believe i believe i called overdoing the [TS]

  interface metaphor and the idea if this is like back before most secure more [TS]

  debates but the idea was like you know if you make it clear you don't want to [TS]

  bring over like a big rid of buttons that you have to click on and then won a [TS]

  single line display like that stupid computers can do so much more than that [TS]

  and if you could let them know and so solver is it's a calculator app that was [TS]

  clearly designed for computers and not designed to try to mimic what old [TS]

  calculators used to be it was designed for what computers can actually do and [TS]

  do well and you know it's also it's a it's a document based app on the Mac [TS]

  and I don't know if the iOS versions are documented I'm pretty sure they are and [TS]

  what that means is on the mag yet all of the line and bottom line you know [TS]

  autosave inversion support and use iCloud to sync everything and it [TS]

  actually works to my laptop my computer it's great really it's just a fantastic [TS]

  app and and and I and the guys even told me that you can probably sell out there [TS]

  on the weekend I i've basically devoted every chance I get over the last few [TS]

  years to talk about as a devoted to trying to convince the world please for [TS]

  the love of God just use this app it trust me it is that good and I mean even [TS]

  like when when the Mac App Store came out I bought it even already owned it I [TS]

  bought the Mac App Store adjust to a give them more money and be have a quick [TS]

  way to install after any reinstall or any other computer that I own it it [TS]

  really is that good I can pick you guys that long for the skewered to come up [TS]

  with you know the calculator to see you more than as this is to the opposite of [TS]

  that yet it also because I pronounce itself her like that better [TS]

  the other thing is that the reason I use this app all the time and I still as I [TS]

  actually use the dashboard widget of another like [TS]

  occasionally but I also have solver open ultimately I just could have her [TS]

  launching Skype because I want to free up some memories make sure escapist [TS]

  feel-good is that this thing also does the stuff that you might find yourself [TS]

  typing into Google for and I use it to do math in a lazy way like i right [TS]

  27 as a percentage of 359 right back into solving it gives you the answer you [TS]

  could do that math yourself we all know basic algebra you can do division [TS]

  multiplication figure it out but the division wrong with that I put the the [TS]

  wrong thing at the right place whatever you can do [TS]

  5300 bites squared in kilobytes and it will do the convergence for you and give [TS]

  you don't like black the thing I like about it is that you can write in a sink [TS]

  single English sentence that expresses what you wanna know it will just give [TS]

  you the answer of it [TS]

  and I find it faster to go to solve them to go to search box and type these [TS]

  things it's a native app it's all right there it's all running already and it's [TS]

  it's just a text box is great and i think is the one apple iphone auto save [TS]

  the most satisfying because I before autosave I didn't like the fact that I [TS]

  had too little modified died and I would quit asked me to save and I was like [TS]

  just to save everything all time I know it does it's fantastic really I mean [TS]

  it's it's hard to describe how good it is in just one at-bat which is why this [TS]

  is taking so long but believe me you gotta you gotta try this admits it's so [TS]

  good of the people who develop its really nice guys have talked to them a [TS]

  lot over the last five years or so and you just want to support that end and [TS]

  they they're always putting updates to to fix any problems come up on sleep [TS]

  I've really ever seen a problem I mean it's it's just so good it's one of those [TS]

  apps that you know it's it's like like your text editor of choice is absolute [TS]

  you can look at whatever you spent on this and say I have a distance help me [TS]

  make so much more money than whatever it costs like it this is so worth the [TS]

  minimum price I paid for it once years ago because it just it's that important [TS]

  to what I do it so let us continue to talk about this fantastic app the rest [TS]

  of the show in terms of timely topics the only one I've got left is to be a [TS]

  BDC but I haven't had a proper think about what predictions I wanna be wrong [TS]

  about so is there anything that you too wanted to bring up that's coming up yeah [TS]

  we've only got next week should be our predictions show but I didn't want to do [TS]

  that today but can if we have to and I and I'll be even more wrong if we do it [TS]

  today I don't know if I'm ready but especially to the predictions show right [TS]

  before it is it then we have the highest chance of being right [TS]

  cheating to wait for all the while honestly do you think and if you win [TS]

  this week and next week with putting up but our knowledge of it might be [TS]

  something like all the obvious things that are like in the invitation but the [TS]

  new version of Iowa smugglers den who has great you know like but we wanna [TS]

  know what else is there anything else like what are the features 27 screenshot [TS]

  somewhere you know some blurry [TS]

  image of has done notebooks yeah it is an hour that is gonna be announced [TS]

  they're going to have a little new bad yet we walk out of the macros did not [TS]

  important but those details will be clear by next week as well [TS]

  MacBook Pro updates with Jenna would at least mention but at least want like a [TS]

  late slide Phil Schiller mention ya know what I mean like they spent a lot of [TS]

  time on the new revenues last year and granted that was like oh it's the first [TS]

  Briton but certainly it's worth something [TS]

  some slides showing how much faster and lower power there another great update [TS]

  to our notebook line had a large macros hardware they can be in the clear [TS]

  acrylic tube outside and you know they just bought an old Mac Pro in there and [TS]

  say we've got around it you know they should do they stick it on Mac Pro and [TS]

  slap a new sticker on the side here that I think I I think we're gonna I guess is [TS]

  becoming predictions anyway I think we're gonna see is mostly the focusing [TS]

  on iOS 7 but I'm actually really curious to see what we learn about Mac OS 10.9 [TS]

  if they keep with their pattern of cab modifier cat this is this comes up as [TS]

  cat again then 44 releases a lot of fat cat and so either the democrats or ever [TS]

  got out of a new can I have been since since like last year for a long time [TS]

  like I have class to give a name for the thing I put in my notes and mine is [TS]

  called links LyX not that I think that's what the cat name is going to be but [TS]

  when I asked my brain well brain you have to type in something else to be a [TS]

  placeholder for 10.9 and I don't want to write 10.9 I wrote in links cause I [TS]

  can't think of another castellanos of BST the cat names are done which I'm [TS]

  perfectly fine with good can happen and I'm all for horror my brain says links [TS]

  so I have no idea what they're gonna have heard nothing but what's the [TS]

  modifier gonna be there [TS]

  graphical links no links to this is another reason that links won't be the [TS]

  name right but I'm happy to be done with cats will do you think there may be a [TS]

  ten-point ends maybe they won't be a modifier cafe this will change the [TS]

  naming convention [TS]

  point I think they'll do well I think like to go to something where you like [TS]

  all this is not ten it's like this one goes to 11 likely ever you want to do [TS]

  some sort of thing like that you can't just do that as a marketing push there [TS]

  has to be something to go along that I don't see any kind of change that's that [TS]

  radical in the ten point in time for like 10 point 10 should be the modifier [TS]

  can release of whatever the hell they have cooked up for this thing but put [TS]

  out something for release is definitely a pattern but they break the bottom of [TS]

  that if you like it so yeah I mean obviously for obvious reasons I'm very [TS]

  interested in what's going on there and I'm less interested in what's going on [TS]

  and I was and I'm sure I will be by far the more dominant focus on the news and [TS]

  I'm not expecting anything earth-shattering out of 10.9 but the [TS]

  question is what the hell is yeah that's like I'm really curious to see like what [TS]

  in the name of course which is very interesting but but what if they like [TS]

  what will 10.9 be 4444 marketing first of all a global market about the [TS]

  features of it and then you know but there be anything interesting for [TS]

  developers will there be substantial improvements to the core in any in any [TS]

  significant way like you know what what is there to do and it's only been a year [TS]

  since mountain lion so you know now they're on the shorter cycle so is not [TS]

  gonna be like it's not going to be a massive rewrite of anything well this [TS]

  plenty to do but it might be most interesting question is given how much [TS]

  attention [TS]

  wants to focus on what they can't do everything what things that they [TS]

  prioritize you know like is that will sort of give you an idea of what they [TS]

  feel is important to do they just do things that they would have had to do [TS]

  anyway because they're changes to the car as the benefit most most of us is [TS]

  like you know with my mouth line they almost entirely focused on things that [TS]

  bring together the mental space [TS]

  of the Mac and iOS in terms of making the application look a certain way about [TS]

  iCloud integration like trying to make it so hey you've use your iPhone or iPad [TS]

  this Mac is not all that different take a look look at the Contacts app see how [TS]

  it's kind of the same stuff like that [TS]

  autosave hate onto savings on iOS and to varying degrees of success but that was [TS]

  where they are putting their energy and they weren't for example putting it into [TS]

  a new file system or make him the USPS to improving the virtual memory system [TS]

  changing out the kernel to like all sorts of nitty-gritty things that we [TS]

  totally interesting to someone like me but that's not getting any bank for the [TS]

  bucket at like don't spend all your time working on that instead spending time [TS]

  with his other areas so they did that with Lyon and they start of repented a [TS]

  little bit mountain lion to say where they had overreached and sort of shore [TS]

  things up then put a third panel into the stupid book metaphor app like well a [TS]

  book and have three parts rain but then one of them has to be half no one has to [TS]

  be twenty-five 25 percent in any way do they keep doing that [TS]

  where do they constitute a new area this time and like fusion drive would have [TS]

  been an obvious thing that they are to be released at like fusion drive misty [TS]

  mountain lion I feel like they wanted to get into that screw driver it's not at i [TS]

  doing I was really just appear suddenly with some new iMacs and stuff that was [TS]

  also a good way to sell hardware [TS]

  you know like like the way Syria was tied to the fore s you know that was a [TS]

  good way to say even though you can create it now on the command line nobody [TS]

  really knows that there's no reason just utility and no one's doing it really [TS]

  except like super nerds like it for the most part like if you want the [TS]

  combination of a very high speed and very high capacity you must buy a new [TS]

  iMac Mac Mini well I know I give them a pass on that because unlike the serious [TS]

  thing anything having to do with with low-level disk drive crap is really [TS]

  sensitive to the specific mechanism [TS]

  you know drivers and everything involved there to the point where I really [TS]

  believe that basically it's not that it won't work it's just that they didn't [TS]

  keep it in any configuration like the only had time and you know they like you [TS]

  aided in a specific configurations and it probably will work perfectly fine and [TS]

  tons of other configurations like one of your SSD [TS]

  does it doesn't support TRIM command has some other feature or end up trying to [TS]

  some pathological cases they never tested for whatever so I don't I don't [TS]

  blame them for being super conservative with the supported hardware there but [TS]

  like they didn't hold it for the next release because they have the hardware [TS]

  they want to ship they just didn't make that didn't make the OS that they wanted [TS]

  to make in the WBC session they hinted that there was a thing that they would [TS]

  like to talk about but can't and I was fusion drive right like it just missed [TS]

  the release like I didn't it didn't get on the boat for that one and so they put [TS]

  out a release but fusion drive would be an awesome 10.9 features they had an [TS]

  outside NBC was like wow this is great features fusion drive but now that's [TS]

  kind of spoiled but it already being out there I mean I'm sure the sessions on in [TS]

  the support for all be expanded and blah blah blah but I can take some of the [TS]

  wind out of its Alan and I turn to you file system thing like probably not the [TS]

  Syrian Arab knows well in actually just got me thinking there's still a fair [TS]

  amount of Max that are not have platter drives right cause which mention the [TS]

  drive which is half platter well maybe more than half platter and also an SSD [TS]

  but the most of the lower end max MacBooks and MacBook Pros the [TS]

  non-revenue ones anyway they all still have plateaued rise by default rate so [TS]

  the reason I bring this up as I wonder if and i'm looking mostly to John for [TS]

  your two cents on this I wonder if the Mac line switches can if it can let's [TS]

  assume it can and if it switches to all flash hard drives would that lead to [TS]

  ease your choices and either creating or picking a new file system whereas right [TS]

  now that kinda got a leg in two very different worlds where you have to [TS]

  support both the comparatively old them slow platters as well as this brand new [TS]

  well reasonably knew I should say flash system so if if if everything was flash [TS]

  and that's all we need to worry about would that be easier and a corollary to [TS]

  that would be would would I West jump to a different file system before the [TS]

  windows because everything I was / is not gonna jumped off / like they're [TS]

  stuck with spending drives for the foreseeable future [TS]

  i'm saying some podcast about what the next assuming there are some macros or [TS]

  Mac Pro like machines or something whatever you know what I'm talking about [TS]

  I thought that those will be fierce and driving you won't have a choice he won't [TS]

  be able to get it not as fierce drive you won't be able to get it appear as [TS]

  deep as this story is too small you won't be able to get it without an SSD [TS]

  like you're getting fusion drive period because that is there that is their [TS]

  medium-term solution for make it faster but also that people start their [TS]

  gigantic libraries of stuff and that's why they made it [TS]

  adding the new no flash vs spinning disk what that that split is going to force [TS]

  them to do if they ever get off their butts is used some foreign aid of [TS]

  storage on the flash like there are lots of other systems out there to do this [TS]

  type of thing you don't you don't fall sensor designed for spinning things with [TS]

  her particular behaviour of like access time and sequential accesses faster than [TS]

  random and seeks really kill you and like the whole file system is laid out [TS]

  in such a way to minimize those things are hopefully laid out in a way to [TS]

  minimize and all those things are either the opposite or just completely moved on [TS]

  SSDs because their performance characteristics are different like [TS]

  random access versus sequential access becomes less meaningful when you've got [TS]

  a bunch of chips that you're dressing but they have their own particular [TS]

  quirks or whatever so a filesystem layer on top of that is almost like me there [TS]

  are lots of possums purpose Taylor 22 flash or whatever but Apple's the kind [TS]

  of company who could use just you know raw access to them and I mean [TS]

  particularly iOS devices like why not like everything is everything is already [TS]

  there you still have to pry the same interface to be applications that the [TS]

  complication for them but if they want to extract the maximum performance [TS]

  lowest overhead from flash you don't need to go with the file system not only [TS]

  just a thousand the misunderstanding dispute what we think of US four million [TS]

  houses now you just need to continue to provide the same interface you know the [TS]

  same driver interface to the higher levels of the OSI looks like a look at [TS]

  it because all the FBI's expected like that but under the covers doesn't have [TS]

  to be right so I think they probably won't even do that but you know the [TS]

  reasons I think they have little to do with spinning disco / has to do with the [TS]

  fact that each of us is really old and crappy in all the ways that I've listed [TS]

  in my various articles complaining about this and if they come up with a new one [TS]

  I don't think it will matter that its 200% Taylor 2 SSDs it'll be fine [TS]

  like end up on the spinning disks and the probably also put it on the SSDs are [TS]

  used for storage to make fusion drive out of them and hopefully we'll be happy [TS]

  will find that not like you're not worried about staying to just use flash [TS]

  but this is not here like the only the only market can get the big big money in [TS]

  that one can hold as well as your iPhone I would like to 60 gigs or something and [TS]

  actually does hold almost everything I have I don't like this I mean it's not [TS]

  that's not an average person easily have my I feel terabyte drive usually I can't [TS]

  my next computer cannot have a terabyte drives this man drugs that won't be big [TS]

  enough right cause I just I'm not using them that much stuff it's just people [TS]

  still can't afford a terrible tease and they won't be able to next year in there [TS]

  are probably a few extra so for a long time we're gonna try to keep getting [TS]

  bigger too and fusion drive by all accounts is amazing in terms of how it [TS]

  makes it feel like it really is just an SSD but you still get all that storage [TS]

  because people use his parents really are you know you do just had a small set [TS]

  of files over and over again that's why I wonder if you know with Fusion Drive I [TS]

  believe the one ship them externally 128 gigs right down the St portion yeah like [TS]

  this and and and the point is like a four gig right before and then the rest [TS]

  of it is roughly a hundred and twenty days worth of frequently accessed files [TS]

  or access block storage [TS]

  and you know if he if you think there's really not that much reason why they [TS]

  couldn't also build that into a lot of laptops except costs and if the problem [TS]

  is you know the retinas are already high priced items are already off / the [TS]

  retinas the spinning is not coming back to the but they could get a little bit [TS]

  more life and nice performance boost if they would build in a little tiny 128 [TS]

  gig module into the non retina laptops that still exists the air would need [TS]

  them so i guess im talk myself out of this is the air with there's already [TS]

  other ones are all to see if they can if they can afford them are just it's just [TS]

  the i mean they're all test applies finally got the iMac that's like why [TS]

  would you even by big hunger thing on disk if it doesn't come with like a [TS]

  terabyte of storage is like what I just get an errand hooking up to display [TS]

  whatever and is the many would stop spending but also without and SSD in the [TS]

  standings will probably go way to like it's really just a macro because like [TS]

  you know the Big Basin you can put the big drives for people who have huge [TS]

  amounts of data SSDs are still way too expensive for that and the spending just [TS]

  keep getting bigger and cheaper and it's like what you're leaving money on the [TS]

  table if you don't have a solution to let people take advantage of the cheap [TS]

  storage solutions there waiting for them so they're they're going to use its [TS]

  medium-term it's not it's not going to go away today if I'm going tomorrow it [TS]

  will go away once you know once SSDs get big enough and cheap enough to serve as [TS]

  the one and only complete main drive for a normal person as long as the size of [TS]

  the pictures were taken with the cameras don't scale for the same rate that this [TS]

  is a story all right with that let's wrap it up some good alright thanks a [TS]

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  guys now the show they didn't even mean to begin accidental was accidental [TS]

  Casey [TS]

  it was accidental and you can show me know and I'll says that's Casey list and [TS]

  Markel [TS]

  yeah I agree and also I should add that graphic graphically I was the only [TS]

  person who got that links I know it doesn't but I was built and installed [TS]

  and I'm pissed when it doesn't come in like now they do not like you build it [TS]

  yourself and doesn't come with SSL support and nothing W get now is cranky [TS]

  about a cell certificates in the past like no significant challenge I know one [TS]

  of the things like solver like when you get a new Mac I installed quick so [TS]

  versatile of all the apps I need BBEdit and I also go in and stole W get Mikes [TS]

  seriously who likes car like you have to you have to pass the capital o option to [TS]

  do the one thing that's the common case like what good are the girls the false [TS]

  just spewed the standard out that's terrible to fall so I installed W W at [TS]

  the Curragh mine is capitulo but there is a show by taxpayers like everyone's [TS]

  like stuck with Marco stuck the text me because this is what I got used to [TS]

  writing you can never leave it's only like 70 years old still using text me [TS]

  too and everyone else's you know it'll still be enough narrowly other neural [TS]

  interface it's something like UNIX shell swear like I know so many people myself [TS]

  included with whatever they like [TS]

  learned when they first learn UNIX they've never leave it and it's carried [TS]

  around with him forever hi I live in fear of a day of nothing to come the TSA [TS]

  just my child because that's what I was a big one in 1993 it's like once you [TS]

  learn what it's not is not really enough benefit to learn any other ones to make [TS]

  it worth the learning curve but you know the one used keeps working very similar [TS]

  abilities though it you know it's not like there's like a massive reason to [TS]

  switch well as he's better sucks but you know [TS]

  I think of changing like the SHR one of the like the super fancy modern like the [TS]

  killing of hipster shells not really pisses in existence but they do have [TS]

  lots of really making features but then I just think about the amount of time I [TS]

  had to spend to recreate my preferred key bindings and environment so you know [TS]

  but like to the past but seven years maybe ten years it work I have been I'm [TS]

  always the only guy who does his best because like all the people who grew up [TS]

  in the next generation like bashers the fault and they'll to smash and some [TS]

  people on my show prompting you know they just export whenever you have [TS]

  something different like that's not gonna work what are you doing what is [TS]

  typing into my entire office like [TS]

  protest plans or for putting instructions upper whatever I have to [TS]

  translate everything everything too bad because I can't make it to the people [TS]

  who don't really know you're next [TS]

  you know I can't just tell them what to do I have to type out the exact command [TS]

  and then I have to like start a little bag and one of my windows like just make [TS]

  sure nothing type of stuff like that so it's like I'm speaking a foreign [TS]

  language in the midst of all the people you know you could just convert to bash [TS]

  that's terrible that the only reason to use bad because no one should ever do [TS]

  any shell programming in C Si two TDs but why would have to shell programming [TS]

  we are doing the show is it bad I presidency this one are still alive but [TS]

  is it bad that I'm almost enjoying this part of the show more than the axles [TS]

  this is all going in I hope that this topic for an actual show me things are [TS]

  now down just yelling things [TS]