The Accidental Tech Podcast

10: Gradual Ramp Up To Nothing


  right so last episode I mentioned that at my alma mater which is Virginia Tech [TS]

  they have been requiring tablets for a while and when I say tablets I don't [TS]

  mean iPads I mean honest to god that was awful Microsoft quasi computers not the [TS]

  surface like the real old Microsoft tablets and so I got some feedback I got [TS]

  some from just graduated recently graduated student alan fuller and I got [TS]

  some from somebody who is associated with the teaching part of the college [TS]

  Joseph G [TS]

  region very small excerpt of what Joseph said he said I teach electrical [TS]

  engineering and I can tell you that most of the students here heat those required [TS]

  tablet PCs that they are all required to buy more expensive and less capable the [TS]

  purposes for everything to be submitted electronically but it failed so [TS]

  spectacularly at this that I have died just have them print everything and [TS]

  submit hard copies I suspect half of them are browsing Facebook during class [TS]

  anyway and I thought that was kind of interesting and and in different that [TS]

  here it is the school if you ask me was trying to be progressive and say let's [TS]

  do this wild thing with these tablets and as it turns out apparently everyone [TS]

  hates him anyway which is of no great surprise but I thought it was [TS]

  interesting I think it's a disease to like I mean I think we are all [TS]

  especially John we're all old enough that we we didn't really have computers [TS]

  really that prevalent in classrooms when we were in college and certainly high [TS]

  school I don't they do that in high school yet but you know we didn't have [TS]

  they do make not everybody was having laptops on their desk in college when we [TS]

  were there is a fair for you also Casey I know it's fair for john has like 50 we [TS]

  did not have laptops in in high school when I was in high school however the [TS]

  school in which my wife teaches actually made national news many many years ago [TS]

  because I like 10 years ago because they used to have called the MacBooks before [TS]

  their Matt I box they they used to have I books and they sold them for $50 a pop [TS]

  after they've been used by like middle schoolers for a couple years [TS]

  and they sold them at the Richmond International Raceway the NASCAR track [TS]

  and apparently there were like stampedes in order to yeah that's that's that's [TS]

  the school district in which aaron teaches so how about that but to this [TS]

  day they have really crummy Dell's that all the kids get issued and from what I [TS]

  understand it's a double-edged sword I can't imagine getting anything like [TS]

  paying attention just go to school at all if I was in high school with a [TS]

  laptop with an Internet connection without internet just I paid just how I [TS]

  would you ever pay attention to class right I mean like I remember that there [TS]

  was in my senior year of college we had one class that wasn't a brand new lab [TS]

  with all these Linux desktops and I spent so much time playing same know and [TS]

  browsing the internet and not not at all paying attention in class and I was [TS]

  lucky that even being a computer science student most of the classrooms didn't [TS]

  have computers and they just like regular classrooms with desks and you [TS]

  would take notes if you were a good student or you would stare at the wall [TS]

  at me and the idea of like having those I i would not have some control and I [TS]

  would imagine if I i no i didnt want when I had the opportunity senior year I [TS]

  didn't have that self-control and I looked around the room and no one else [TS]

  to him and I have to imagine that's probably gonna be a pretty common [TS]

  problem as computers infiltrate and become [TS]

  probably already are everyday items now in college classrooms the problem of the [TS]

  Virginia Tech things it's like a mini tell effect where a school thanks our [TS]

  technology and you know this is the next big thing and the mistake they make is [TS]

  saying and that not just that we're gonna require another computer or this [TS]

  year are required at this computer but like they think they're gonna do they're [TS]

  gonna do it like they do with desks like we've decided that this is the best ask [TS]

  for our school and got this job on this site and has this place fear books and [TS]

  we're gonna order 500 I'm gonna use it for the next twenty years and so they [TS]

  decided to whatever you know this little flip around screen tablet PC thing [TS]

  that's the future and they just went with it and they expected to be you know [TS]

  standardized going foreign and that's tough without sleep before it even [TS]

  arrives at the school due to like the delays and purchase orders and [TS]

  everything and [TS]

  after they realized they are after everyone after all the students realize [TS]

  that they're terrible mistake you know they are we you know don't this is [TS]

  terrible don't do this it doesn't work does make our lives easier these crappy [TS]

  computers they don't say oh yeah now we gotta stop that and keep going with it I [TS]

  will get the new version that tablet PC so it's a combination of elements of [TS]

  like now refusing to admit your mistakes and not realizing that standardizing [TS]

  that degrees or is going to come back and bite you and the many tell us [TS]

  computer the head and France I don't know someone in the chatroom can look it [TS]

  up on Wikipedia are better but for a long time it was you know it was good [TS]

  and I like everyone had France France could get him in detail and get down to [TS]

  the social networking do interesting things that you don't have the other [TS]

  countries but it's bad and it lasted forever and it was just an embarrassment [TS]

  a joke obviously the government doing it as the worst case scenario in terms of [TS]

  standardizing universally and being out of date and taking forever to arrive and [TS]

  not being able to take some mistakes but university is a nice step down from that [TS]

  one to be fair Virginia secondly mandated tablets for the engineers and [TS]

  they've been mandating computers in general for incoming students for [TS]

  something like twenty or thirty years I think was like mid-eighties that they [TS]

  started mandating that all the students would have to have computers but it is i [TS]

  i agree with you john that its I think them saying who this tablet thing this [TS]

  is progressive and exciting and were progressives were progressive school and [TS]

  it ends up by him in the butt and nobody is got the confidence to hit the brakes [TS]

  and say man maybe this is bad and also consider that these are purchased by the [TS]

  school issued by the school [TS]

  these are everyone has to buy their own machine they take it so much money for [TS]

  you anyway you can feel bad but it also feels bad buying hundreds of dollars [TS]

  with the stupid books that stirred by bucks to buy books oh yeah and and and [TS]

  pull the same crap with lake with two by two professors own book and then you [TS]

  have to buy like the the spiral bound like Xerox files that are some other [TS]

  things like it and and then of course they have the the used book ordeal [TS]

  there's no better word for it just a giant scale [TS]

  its I mean that's you know I wonder that this has been a big problem that's [TS]

  probably beyond the scope of the show but you know there's a problem now with [TS]

  college being worth it or not and I don't know how much this has been a [TS]

  problem in the past but it seems like a combination of surprisingly dramatically [TS]

  increasing tuition in the last decade or so and then that the economy being so [TS]

  terrible for jobs [TS]

  seems like colleges actually becoming a worse and worse deal for students I mean [TS]

  I probably be honest competition you know all these things add up and you [TS]

  gotta figure specialize in our industry where so many people get by just fine [TS]

  without a college degree doesn't really help when you're starting out but you [TS]

  can make it work and it's a private colleges probably state schools I think [TS]

  even though the funding is being massively / for them I think you still [TS]

  mad I would say you know you're better off going to the cheapest possible state [TS]

  school that you can get into it then not because your student debt won't be [TS]

  astronomical I can be if you go someplace that cost you 60 grand a year [TS]

  or something like that UN + like you know if if your boss is somebody like me [TS]

  who was pretty much a slacker and just barely got through school I don't really [TS]

  care what school you went to leave I'm reviewing your resume I do whatever [TS]

  school you went to a probably haven't heard of any matter how did it was so I [TS]

  don't know I don't care I have to imagine it's probably true of many of [TS]

  the like mid-level a high-level bosses and tech companies especially smaller [TS]

  companies run by younger people I have to imagine that a certain size though [TS]

  they do the stupid filtering like they just wanted to grieve for you the first [TS]

  level ihr passes just doesn't have a degree in something vaguely related [TS]

  that's stupid you could say that's not the way you run a company but once [TS]

  companies reduce certain size they start doing stupid things and that's why I [TS]

  guess I guess this is probably true in most tech jobs if you have to if you [TS]

  want a job at a place that has an H R Department you're better off making [TS]

  something that they can buy the company [TS]

  give a better chance of them buying your startup that he do of getting through [TS]

  the AHR departments automatic filters and all the keyword filtering and the [TS]

  recruiters and all that crap most people don't miss a thing most people don't go [TS]

  through that gone but most people get into companies like that because they [TS]

  know someone who's there are you know they they someone inside the company you [TS]

  know starts to know them online and on Twitter or something and you bypass some [TS]

  are all that idiotic process by someone inside the company just bring him in [TS]

  action at church sacristy yeah and that's how people get hired referrals [TS]

  friends stuff like that and those type of things I don't think I've ever gotten [TS]

  the job by like just going through the front door maybe once in my life I got a [TS]

  job I just going through the front door and every other time it's like you you [TS]

  know someone inside the company or you get to know someone inside the company [TS]

  or know someone who knows someone and then you bypass all that BS and that's [TS]

  how you get your interview [TS]

  you know instead of having to jump through stupid hurdles in past keyword [TS]

  filters actually how I got my job which became tumblr was exactly just applying [TS]

  like David posted a Craigslist ad looking for programmers and I responded [TS]

  and that was mostly I don't think I've ever gotten a job that way and by the [TS]

  way a real-time follow-up as her Twitter not the chatroom and disappointed the [TS]

  Jaguar useless chat room on 0845 either I never liked on the five by five people [TS]

  jacks phone call these ppl jackals either of these awesome our friend he's [TS]

  awesome friends in the chatroom let us down already but I just endearing in [TS]

  Twitter said I was a freshman in ninety-seven it wasn't mandated than was [TS]

  recommended and so I quickly looked and according to tack it wasn't all 98 in [TS]

  since 1982 coming undergraduate student had been required to own personal [TS]

  computer [TS]

  so real-time problem but I know I've never done a job to my knowledge I never [TS]

  got a job just by cold calling someone has always been a friend of a friend or [TS]

  something along those lines I just got me in the door so I'm a little surprised [TS]

  markets and I think I knew that story but I'm a little surprised at how you [TS]

  ended up as well that was like my my first job even that like my first job [TS]

  out of college at the visa mo even that was a friend already birthday Aaron got [TS]

  me an interview like it was like it's it's so much more important with who you [TS]

  know the David Ville that became tumblr job that was a fluke that doesn't really [TS]

  ever happen but it was total fluke I don't think he had a jar department that [TS]

  girl bypassing if they're not exactly i mean that's like he he emailed from the [TS]

  addy requested a code sample I should have some PHP code written was looking [TS]

  for and that was it an email me two books on Ruby on Rails and said you [TS]

  started a few weeks get up to speed on the stuff and that was it but I think I [TS]

  think one of the reasons that worked one of the reasons that that was a totally [TS]

  lucky break for me is that he didn't really know what he was doing so he [TS]

  didn't know that you're supposed to go through all these you know all this [TS]

  crazy process and filtering and collector billion resumes like all that [TS]

  stuff that everyone else does [TS]

  as the day they know how it's done David didn't know that [TS]

  like David you know he was a young kid money when he hired me I don't know that [TS]

  really but he had to tell me things like holidays like he really didn't know [TS]

  about how things are done in the in the pro-war croats he was never really in it [TS]

  except working for himself by himself so you know that that was a lucky break but [TS]

  I think if you if you don't have a college degree or if you have a crappy [TS]

  college degree or if you have I think my final GPA was something like a 2.3 or [TS]

  something terrible GPA if you have a contemporary feel like me i i think you [TS]

  have a way better chance of getting into companies like that that are being run [TS]

  by basically inexperienced young people or companies who just so desperate that [TS]

  just meet anybody watching the door but you don't really want those jobs but [TS]

  like I you know the company that are run by young people at the startups [TS]

  or and consultancies off and everything that I feel like it's so much easier to [TS]

  get a job there because you are more likely to run into somebody like david [TS]

  who doesn't really know how things are supposed to be done in the way that [TS]

  would rule you out anyway [TS]

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  receive an e-mail denial of service attack I saw one of those recently no [TS]

  that's pretty crazy I've always honestly I don't host my own email because [TS]

  hosting email as mail route nose and as they as they solve for a lot of people [TS]

  hosting email is such a pain because you can set it up and you think it's working [TS]

  but once you start getting into the complexities things like spam filtering [TS]

  being being blacklisted her black hole or whatever is gray listing all the all [TS]

  the crazy complexity that we've added to our email infrastructure to usually [TS]

  responds to spammers security problems it makes hosting your own and getting [TS]

  your own mail delivered to other ppl reliably so difficult [TS]

  the graph showing like number of incoming house for dinner was labeled [TS]

  with colors within a one color for spam and one caller good mail and you see [TS]

  mostly like it's like 50 50 ratio good mail spam [TS]

  but those were tiny little sliver like two pixels high and then in the middle [TS]

  of the graph or two gigantic towers [TS]

  there like the height of the screen there were all the color of spam with [TS]

  like a little tiny frosting on the top of regular mail and over the course of [TS]

  two days like the spam volume went up by like 10000 X and then went back down [TS]

  again and it's like that's like a bottle gone wild or coordinated attacker that's [TS]

  the type of you know 10 X hundred thousand X volume that you just may I [TS]

  guess what today your mail server is getting a Brazilian spans you don't know [TS]

  why you can't control it good [TS]

  yeah that's crazy yeah I mean generally the best wisdom I can tell the audience [TS]

  is don't post your own mail if you can help it is hosting your mail sucks and [TS]

  that that and it wasn't even part of the military dad even that they will help [TS]

  quite a bit in this regard this isn't even you know if you choose to use our [TS]

  or not it's up to you I think the cool service but whether or not you do that [TS]

  do not host your own mail that as it is such a world of hurt to use a Steve Jobs [TS]

  her bag of her bag of such a bag of hurt [TS]

  you know I not not to get all sad for a moment but I really do miss Steve Jobs [TS]

  at times like when the galaxy s4 comes out and it has an easy mode you know I [TS]

  would love to get that steve was always so good about these little quips that he [TS]

  would leak in an email or a comment somewhere on the earnings call or [TS]

  something somebody would ask about something some competitors stupid thing [TS]

  and he would just tear them apart in like seven words and I i really do miss [TS]

  like what it what he had to say it especially Mohit to say about Google [TS]

  glass I mean that's spam bots Steve Jobs is two-fold one he was a person a lot of [TS]

  people admired in to Apple as a company was and still is not the kind of company [TS]

  to have like oh you could you just called nothing get some random obnoxious [TS]

  quote from some random ppl like they're very controlled about their messaging so [TS]

  you always want to hear what admired person has to say about any topic that's [TS]

  one reason to hang on his every word in the second thing is he was the only [TS]

  person in the entire organization who had the authority to make stupid ass com [TS]

  could not get you couldn't get you can call up and say can you tell us what you [TS]

  think of you never hear anyone on the phone number ever give you a line but if [TS]

  you're talking to Steve Jobs you never know who's going to stop them and most [TS]

  the time he was very controlled and say things but occasionally you get you push [TS]

  that one but he be like you know what that thing is crap let me tell you why [TS]

  do you like the stuff you can never get them any other way now it's like it just [TS]

  shows gonna come up and make a quip about easy mode or whatever you know but [TS]

  everything that they're going to be showing for iOS 7 new iPhones they don't [TS]

  make like an off-handed quip about something else but when the press gets a [TS]

  massive attack he just going to repeat his talking points are not going to go [TS]

  off on a three second diatribe about you know like the back of her thing that's [TS]

  not a rehearsed talking point that was like someone asked about blu-ray and he [TS]

  said you know the stuff and if I wasn't talking points it's not going to be [TS]

  going to come out and cokes mouth or socialism he was the best when he fired [TS]

  from the hip and he did it rarely but when he did it was fantastic I think a [TS]

  lot like I bet he had that frees better [TS]

  her turning over his head for weeks or months and he was waiting for a time to [TS]

  use it he had like a nice arsenal of like what he thinks about X and it [TS]

  didn't hear it [TS]

  yeah they were discussed internally and like every anyone who has had these [TS]

  conversations with him internally is going to be like ok he's giving greatest [TS]

  hits the rents we've all had internally but that stuff we'll just stay inside [TS]

  the company but you know he was the one guy who could let it out when he felt [TS]

  like it just felt like I always wonder how much stuff he does ad-libbing like [TS]

  that like one of the ones that comes to mind tell-all book about the stuff was [TS]

  back when interest the g5 and I think he said like and they're going to be a [TS]

  three-game hurts in a year someone in the chatroom can correct and it's like [TS]

  someone from IBM tell him that did you go you know what screw them they better [TS]

  be ten year and was gonna say they're going to be an actor not gonna blame [TS]

  them later and do the job says what exactly are speaking of Apple you want [TS]

  to discuss this w WDC situation I mean it's unfortunately it's only gonna be [TS]

  relevant mostly to our live listeners of Xterra now approximately two hundred and [TS]

  twenty because kinda crazy to think about but it all to them because that's [TS]

  when it comes out of course it will be released as probably on Friday so we [TS]

  will already have or not have our tickets but we can only predict what's [TS]

  going to happen so people can laugh at us and retrospect when they find out [TS]

  what actually did happen to us that's a fair point so I will confidently predict [TS]

  that I will try my darndest to get a ticket fail and then go fetal for the [TS]

  rest of the week and weekend crying miserably about how I didn't get a [TS]

  ticket to get one like two hours last year something if we're just prefer all [TS]

  there you know and and Marco is starting to get on board with Marcos optimistic [TS]

  predictions like look at your phone orders way more people on iphone they [TS]

  want to go to [TS]

  like there are many assumptions in that statement one of which is that this is [TS]

  the same systems use iPhones which I don't really believe the like a you know [TS]

  what could happen [TS]

  the service could stay up we could and if they do presumably everyone has their [TS]

  sitting there and like 1 p.m. going click click [TS]

  don't you think I was going to get tickets I hope it's a problem is I [TS]

  believe I don't remember the gentleman's name and I couldn't pronounce it even if [TS]

  I remembered it but the guy who did the WBC alerts that that you could jump the [TS]

  line if you paid money for people [TS]

  yes well decide that I don't think he quite nicely and never on the money as [TS]

  soon I don't know I wouldn't [TS]

  email John but no anyway crap I totally lost my train of thought and now we're [TS]

  doing it live [TS]

  well you know and I would imagine that I mean so what happened today to recap for [TS]

  people listening in the far future is for I believe the first time ever [TS]

  necessary for the last 25 years or so but for the first time Apple announced [TS]

  WDC and it's it's dates and its availability before the tickets were [TS]

  actually available to buy and so they've said basically buy tickets tomorrow at [TS]

  this time and so it it solves a lot of problems it in previous years like last [TS]

  year two years ago tickets sold out in about 12 hours last year tickets sold [TS]

  out in about two hours and IV n last year they the best time to release a [TS]

  press release in in the PR industry is about 8:30 in the morning so Apple tends [TS]

  to ship out all their press releases and the new product announcements and they [TS]

  they tend to lift embargoes at like 830 1 a.m. and generally want to do this not [TS]

  a Monday you can help it caused a lot of competition from things that built up [TS]

  over the weekend on Monday for coverage you don't want to compete with that you [TS]

  also want to on Friday because on Friday your back into the weekend a lot of [TS]

  people aren't paying attention and is not gonna be a lot of time 22 [TS]

  announced to for people to write up like reactions and they're gonna have the [TS]

  weekend and the final forget about it so generally want to do it early in the [TS]

  week but not Monday so things are usually announced on Tuesdays or [TS]

  Wednesdays and so it was pretty easy to predict that the announcement of this [TS]

  conference was probably gonna happen again just like it did the year before [TS]

  probably gonna happen again at a few minutes after 8:30 in the morning on a [TS]

  Tuesday or Wednesday and sure enough it did end and it did it right after the [TS]

  day after the earnings call and there's there's the details of this there's the [TS]

  SEC quiet period guidelines and I i'm not qualified and neither you guys as [TS]

  far as I know none of us are qualified to talk about whether Apple is required [TS]

  to stay silent but they're not required as it's not even an SEC thing is just [TS]

  something that people do it's like a guideline or practice yesterday [TS]

  defacto thing as far as I know I don't even think the SEC recommends is just [TS]

  what everybody does in once everybody does it by not doing it you would stick [TS]

  out but I don't think the SEC tells you that you should or even recommends that [TS]

  you do well it's kind of it's it's almost requisite you're right it's not [TS]

  required but it's almost requisite in my dad actually works for investor [TS]

  relations for a really really big company and so he would be qualified in [TS]

  NI he's been doing this for many many years including the time I i lived with [TS]

  him when I was in high school and whatnot and my understanding is that if [TS]

  you say anything truly reformed in earnings announcement it could [TS]

  reasonably be construed to affect the result of those earnings and so that [TS]

  would be releasing insider information before the company has released their [TS]

  earnings and does it the logical thing to do is for all these companies to just [TS]

  shut the crap up for like two or three weeks I don't remember how long it is [TS]

  but some duration of time before earnings so this way there are no [TS]

  slip-ups in saudi appoint Marco it seems reasonable that even though WBC [TS]

  on the surface doesn't seem like it would affect the stock price or anything [TS]

  like that it for the last couple of years it's been announced the day after [TS]

  their earnings [TS]

  right and so it was it was fairly easy to predict that the announcement was [TS]

  going to happen this morning but nobody was pretty and I heard a few rumors and [TS]

  a few other people to do but nobody was predicting that this would happen where [TS]

  the announcement was indeed at 42 time but the on-sale date of the ticket is [TS]

  going to be tomorrow and it's all water problems one of the problems with last [TS]

  year's the people complain about a lot it because it was 830 in the morning [TS]

  eastern it really screwed the Pacific coast because by the time they all woke [TS]

  up it was sold out so it was kind of rough on people in the pacific time zone [TS]

  and of course all times around the world to know if if if 8:30 a.m. Eastern which [TS]

  is Jim T minus five is in the middle of the night for you and your time zone [TS]

  your kind of screwed so this was a really good way to do it I think people [TS]

  are so special to me that maybe they will have a lottery employees I'm [TS]

  actually very glad they don't have that because I know I would lose it was [TS]

  losing drawings and raffles and things you and me both yeah so you know I i'm [TS]

  glad there's not a lottery thing or at least at least they aren't all lottery [TS]

  sales but while you're glad now will you be glad it's terrible because you like [TS]

  he wants some system that is not you don't want to be random you want some [TS]

  system that has some kind of like merit-based selection process even if [TS]

  that Meredith who who is who wants it the most [TS]

  who is willing to wake up in the know that who is willing to settle things to [TS]

  moderate like maybe that's not the best way to do it like this the way anything [TS]

  you know anything in life is who wants it the most and if those people get [TS]

  first to complain no fair I don't wanna statement though and I well I guess you [TS]

  don't want it as much as other person like that is so much better than random [TS]

  because then you and your friends can band together and be idiots and stamp in [TS]

  the middle of the night on the outside world and get tickets and you could all [TS]

  go together as if it's a lottery maybe you get to go but you to friends don't [TS]

  and then you have a worse experience in the system right so we don't know yet we [TS]

  know we will know in less than 24 hours whether the three of us are going or not [TS]

  or whether some subset of us are going [TS]

  but get a problem is like you know the old system was it gave more room for [TS]

  people who really really cared about it [TS]

  to have an advantage because we would be predicting the times and we would be [TS]

  waking up early every day to every day in April basically and you know we would [TS]

  be weird be the ones like setting up monitoring systems and hammering the [TS]

  page to see when it changes so certainly you know now that they've done is made [TS]

  it so that you don't have to pay much attention to have a chance at it so it [TS]

  is more fair in the sense that it will give way more people who are interested [TS]

  in going [TS]

  a chance of getting tickets at the expense of crazy nerds like us who [TS]

  always somebody else to France for seniors crazy geeks like us to really [TS]

  badly yeah sometimes I don't I don't agree with him but okay it's okay I i [TS]

  think you're qualified to to set the world so anyway we you know nerds like [TS]

  us are now at a slight disadvantage that there's gonna be more competition from [TS]

  people who care little bit less about it or who or who would have otherwise been [TS]

  awake at that time anyways so the only reason it's slightly worse for us is [TS]

  that like it's brought a few more people into the fold people who really do wanna [TS]

  go but like they're learning things didn't work or they were asleep but they [TS]

  didn't hear the phone go off like those people who kind of unfairly got screwed [TS]

  last year they are now competing with us but I think it's reasonable it's more [TS]

  than that though because when I went two years ago when I went in 2011 [TS]

  my might then employers who I don't work for an employer was probably going to [TS]

  fund my trip and when the tickets went on sale I needed to go get final [TS]

  approval Marco you spoke about this at some point or another in the past I need [TS]

  to go get final approval from my boss in order to spend a whole bunch of money [TS]

  and get it reimbursed [TS]

  and now all those people who are in that situation they've done that today so in [TS]

  the point of going to occur when I lost my train of thought is I thought that [TS]

  the gentleman who did the painting jump the line alert system said he had like [TS]

  twenty thousand people in his alert you and there's something to the order of [TS]

  from our friends in the chatroom 5,000 tickets that you can buy and show even [TS]

  if even if it's the same system that handles millions of iPhone orders when [TS]

  they are brand new [TS]

  you're still talking about a whole crapload of people trying to vie for [TS]

  5,000 seats and that's just I'm really scared that's not gonna end well for me [TS]

  yet actually that's a bigger ratio than I would have expected because you gotta [TS]

  figure like not everybody who wants to buy tickets even sign up for that [TS]

  service [TS]

  you know there's probably some percentage of them who did but I don't [TS]

  know all the good thing is that this year Apple says they're going to release [TS]

  the videos during the conference so they won't be live-streamed I assume but like [TS]

  maybe you feel like the day after or something so and also you don't have to [TS]

  think we're the only people who get their videos with the people who [TS]

  actually attended WotC which was incredibly stupid so now if you were to [TS]

  snap a developer they just a registered developer resume me to pay developed for [TS]

  their iOS or the Mac and you want to see WWE sessions I assume there while Darius [TS]

  is going on during that week they will slowly be doling out downloads on iTunes [TS]

  you know and i dont University but anyway the place where you can download [TS]

  videos through iTunes WABC only they'll come out as WNBC happens instead of [TS]

  having to wait a week or two weeks regime in a week or two week isn't a big [TS]

  deal but like this take some of the sting out and hopefully will discourage [TS]

  people I try to just going to be willing to put her expensive you have to you [TS]

  know if you don't live in the area you know by our hotel for a week and you [TS]

  have to buy the ticket which is not cheap it's a lot of money so stay home [TS]

  and you get almost all the experience from home just watch the videos and that [TS]

  like if I don't get a ticket it's not going to be the end of the world to me [TS]

  because that's will be what I do I'm estas a week off from work but thats [TS]

  let's say you would take a week off of work to sit in your house and watch his [TS]

  videos like anything about that is you would think that would work out fine but [TS]

  the main problem is that the videos would end up being released I don't know [TS]

  I don't know what kind of like there but like the amount of time I can dedicated [TS]

  to watch WEC videos is much smaller kids at a house in the morning I could come [TS]

  home when your W C you can just dedicate your heads down whole life to to just [TS]

  ignore you see I mean like so far every year that I've gone gone from four years [TS]

  now every year there have been a few sessions where like they were double [TS]

  booked again something else I wanted to go to so I I made a note I told myself [TS]

  I'm gonna go and watch this video when it comes out of this other one that I'm [TS]

  not gonna see now I think I might have watched like two or three videos after [TS]

  the fact total and usually that was only because I was about to or already coding [TS]

  and some API that the videos were about I want to look something up or go back [TS]

  to a movie of a session I already did see live remember like oh yeah how did [TS]

  they do this one thing like the scroll recession I was going to be pretty good [TS]

  stuff and there's time for reference purposes but I'm never gonna like make [TS]

  two hours and sit down and watch a couple of these things I've got the WTC [TS]

  2003 DVD to my right I kept it because it came in a metal box enough people [TS]

  remember that and you know I and the first time I went it was two years ago I [TS]

  was never actually able to go but I knew people who went or do people who could [TS]

  have gone but got the DVD set aside as part of the deal member Marco you [TS]

  probably weren't around when they had the name right I think it was there was [TS]

  different ABC levels of selected premier yeah I came in right as I was about to [TS]

  end so I did see it and it was it was like five hundred thousand and three [TS]

  thousands of my bad I think it was just selectors 500 and premier I think it was [TS]

  for some of the shower and that was like four digits and remember what it was but [TS]

  when you got was like one WTC take it and you got the DVDs and you got like it [TS]

  was you got lots of stuff I and so many I got I got you get a big discount and [TS]

  yeah I know and a big that's the whole reason [TS]

  can you get a couple hundred bucks it would go in together and have a bunch of [TS]

  different hardware discounts on the web but all I have that DVD set and doesn't [TS]

  back on days when I get this DVD set tonight to watch every single session [TS]

  just about every single wanna go through in order and these days when I actually [TS]

  attend I don't obviously do that because a lot of them I was there for us I don't [TS]

  watch them again but I will go back and look at the ones that I didn't see that [TS]

  the only thing I start skipping now is like now that it's like that attracts [TS]

  like web development company like I'm not going to watch those and even some [TS]

  of the iOS ones I'll skip because I mostly in there for the Mac West End [TS]

  stuff it used to be when I was just Mac and there wasn't like a track about how [TS]

  to do [TS]

  CSS or high DPI images rather esoteric things that I may not really be in [TS]

  Apple's wheelhouse and you could have learned about her may have already [TS]

  learned about the ones I would just watch every single session and that [TS]

  sounds boring but I find maybe I'm gonna get as I'm getting older I have less [TS]

  time for that because the kids take a lot of time and everything but I used to [TS]

  just that's the way I would consume things when I was getting into a hobby [TS]

  or something I would read everything there was to read about that happy when [TS]

  I was learning units I just bought or other books and read them from cover to [TS]

  cover and today you read toaster manuals of those are much shorter than I i read [TS]

  your next article twice I remember going to get in the end of that going back to [TS]

  the beginning of a small book will you make an interesting point Marconi said [TS]

  that jokingly but I really shouldn't say this on the show will come out after the [TS]

  fact that doesn't matter but part of the part of the draw wEDC is the experiences [TS]

  you have outside of the sessions and sessions are unbelievable and my two [TS]

  years of going to WTC of only skipped three or four sessions are three or four [TS]

  slots I guess I should say and and some of the best experiences I've had though [TS]

  our networking with people like for example I met David Smith there and [TS]

  David just pointed out in the chatroom that the gentleman whose first name I [TS]

  don't know how to pronounce his surname is prindiville who ran the DEC alert [TS]

  thing [TS]

  apparently he only had six hundreds of subscribers which is a lot better than [TS]

  the twenty thousand apparently invented out of thin air so so that meant that [TS]

  the case scenario isn't quite so bad i remember i think thats 20,000 number I [TS]

  remember last year when I don't they did it did the WBC alerts [TS]

  it was oversubscribed yet that the Twitter thing had something like twenty [TS]

  thousand I forget the exact number but it was it was it was in that range you [TS]

  know and and so I thought it was eight but thousands maybe it was more than the [TS]

  tickets were available [TS]

  yeah I think last year they sold something like fifty five hundred [TS]

  tickets and and and they've been a number pretty comfortably or near that [TS]

  number pretty comfortably for enough time that we can be pretty sure that [TS]

  that's roughly what they think the maximum should be and N certainly like [TS]

  going going there for the last few years you can see in moscow me it is packed [TS]

  full and it is so hard like it's a line after line for line you got a recession [TS]

  it if you want to popular session if you wanna get in there even you know you you [TS]

  have to get there like a half hour before it starts dancing long line which [TS]

  means you still might not get it right and it's it's really quite difficult to [TS]

  to maneuver around the conference with the number they have now they they [TS]

  certainly can't sell more tickets and keeping that menu is still not the max [TS]

  level of waiting but I don't I find that you don't usually have to actually [TS]

  skipped the previous session you'll just get a crappier seat Burris with pacs [TS]

  skip the previous two seconds to get mine had to skip such as far i think is [TS]

  if you want to get lunch session like the day it was when I was in line for [TS]

  that for like an hour and a half he always miss the crazy good friday have [TS]

  to fly out at like 1 p.m. yep same you do that to yourself I put my book my [TS]

  tickets the entire day to prepare my mind and body [TS]

  you stay on the front and yes I don't wanna say the extra night and I for the [TS]

  love of all that's good and holy I did not want to do a red-eye yeah I would [TS]

  never do read i believe i won I want all my flights to be a noon [TS]

  that's the way it's not always possible but that's what I'm shooting for the [TS]

  entire day is just dedicated [TS]

  travel and I don't want to wake up early in the morning so David Smith just put [TS]

  in the chat room conte's my best friend he just said that WTF the original WWDC [TS]

  alerts this is the unpaid completely free one was around 9,000 that's [TS]

  actually pretty sure showdown and over doesn't mean you in both of the [TS]

  showcases then no it wasn't within $100 start our second sponsor for the show [TS]

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  they know why I basically told them you know they asked me to do it do you have [TS]

  enough to read for the ad and I said yes because i dont have a customer and I've [TS]

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  hard to find a buddy who likes the domain registrar alot and the reason why [TS]

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  top of that and I'm not going to name names here because who cares but you all [TS]

  know you other registrars and talk about like they were not the alcohol one but [TS]

  there is there is one that if you search for a name just to see if it was [TS]

  available they would register for like they would they would horrify two weeks [TS]

  but if you still want that name [TS]

  you had to go through them and pay their extra high price for it like that all [TS]

  the time crazy up selling tactics it's terrible however is clean it's simple [TS]

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  see and Tom Novy you should know I remember I don't know about windows [TS]

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  ok so they've been around forever it says somewhere here since 94 yards and [TS]

  then you for that that's that's the I got my first computer for reference they [TS]

  they've been around forever Dave the cycle however is fantastic [TS]

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  discount off their prices I think it's something I 10% it's pretty great you [TS]

  know they don't hide functionality behind a weird things to make it hard to [TS]

  find they don't like they don't heavy-handed Lee upsell you or cross [TS]

  sell you to various other crap they sell its just a really simple it is what [TS]

  you'd expect a domain registrar to be if you design it like and if you hire [TS]

  designed for me so go check out however I really can't recommend it enough I've [TS]

  I have been with alot to me over the years they've been registering domain [TS]

  since like 2000 and it takes like me to move because usually the kind of thing [TS]

  we're like you know you let things go to renew every year because it works as not [TS]

  getting in your way until you gotta do something like if you try to change the [TS]

  DNS record you lose 20 years miller or something like that like you you go try [TS]

  to make a DNS entry or buy a new demeanor at a twenty year old demands [TS]

  with must register as you just wanna put your teeth out because it is so it's [TS]

  just such a terrible experience using their control panels and everything but [TS]

  then you think all move someday and a new clothes at me forget and every every [TS]

  time you go in there you want to blow up the world but you know there's not that [TS]

  like pushing need to because you don't really know you know moving things suck [TS]

  so you don't really wanna know however actually offers a moving service it's [TS]

  pretty awesome I can you know they they will you can I talk to someone on the [TS]

  phone to move stuff for you it's pretty great I know my local place at this read [TS]

  but it's hard with with you know my first read of hover of news in the [TS]

  company for over a year now [TS]

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  you very much tougher for sponsoring [TS]

  so before we leave the WBC topic are either of you two gentlemen going to go [TS]

  if you don't get a ticket like John you said in all likelihood you'll probably [TS]

  take off the time but you'll probably stay at home I can't justify going if I [TS]

  don't get what I do for the week like although like you said that like one of [TS]

  the reasons that I am actually going is that I do have interactions with people [TS]

  outside the sessions but it's mostly so that I can have a dedicated time where [TS]

  there's no distractions and no other demands on my time I'm just there to [TS]

  attend sessions and secondarily at a close second is if after a session is [TS]

  over I just need one thing clarified its not clear from the notes the guy who [TS]

  gave the presentation is at the front of the room and I can go ask him and then [TS]

  third is the thing that people you meet outside and everything like and that's [TS]

  definitely true as well but like from for business purposes I guess later [TS]

  research purposes it depends on her meeting with i guess i meeting with big [TS]

  fancy people in super secret that yeah I get a lot of value out of those meetings [TS]

  but I know I can't bank on that I can't guarantee that I'm gonna have a private [TS]

  meeting with Tim Cook going on there so you can but I want me so I wouldn't go [TS]

  there with no ticket hoping that it just happened to catch you know craig Venter [TS]

  et on the steps of moscow me and benazir for 50 minutes because that's probably [TS]

  not going to happen and i cant you know I'd like more importantly liked how can [TS]

  I justify it as a business expense for the purpose of writing my review if i [TS]

  dont even have a ticket so it's kind of bogus oh yeah if I don't get a ticket [TS]

  and i cant for Nicola ticket through whatever crazy please somebody out there [TS]

  any type of system then artists and watch the videos [TS]

  yeah I don't know what I would do i mean i hopefully we won't have to think about [TS]

  this cuz will get tickets but if I don't get a ticket I might have a higher [TS]

  chance of going based on what you get out but I still working I wouldn't say [TS]

  right now yes we definitely have a hotel reservation because it's totally [TS]

  refundable [TS]

  but I haven't the plane yet because like I'm not going to book a flight I'll pay [TS]

  the extra couple hundred bucks that whatever the prices raised to tomorrow [TS]

  if I get the ticket rather than buy the plane ticket today on the off chance I [TS]

  don't get a ticket tomorrow we should tell everyone about that because I think [TS]

  that was a good three-way triumph of all of us having the wherewithal and guts to [TS]

  actually buy our hotel tickets a month ahead of time everybody on March yeah I [TS]

  forgot who initiated that but like you always hear that you can always look at [TS]

  the schedule and and ballpark and you can tell you it's probably going to be [TS]

  like this week like every year that's been the case where you can look at that [TS]

  but it's one thing to look at the schedule and know that it's another [TS]

  thing to actually pull the trigger get the tickets but like to point out like [TS]

  you know it's a refundable 24 hours at a time so there's no risk in doing it [TS]

  except if it's some sort of hotel that has an annoying website that makes [TS]

  refunds annoying or you don't have any confidence that they're going to quickly [TS]

  process that are going to ShopRite stuff you go if you have a good hotel with a [TS]

  reasonable websites worth doing and then you know so that we had our hotel [TS]

  reservations a month in advance and are actually were actually cheaper than even [TS]

  the Apple special reserving a block of rooms for you rates for so long and so [TS]

  to answer the question I asked if the two of you I don't know what I'm going [TS]

  to do if in when I don't get a ticket I have already established over fetal for [TS]

  about three or four days but a part of me thinks it's worth going to network [TS]

  it's worth going to see people to see the david smith's and and the Jim [TS]

  Dalrymple the world and in certainly to see Marco or John or whoever is out [TS]

  there but I don't know if I would go for the whole week our good friend David [TS]

  Smith friend of show David Smith has said he's going on I believe he's [TS]

  intending to go for the whole week I don't know what I'm gonna do and I'm [TS]

  such a wimp in so indecisive I can't figure out what I'm gonna do but maybe [TS]

  mark when I maybe we'll commiserate maybe we'll celebrate on her now but we [TS]

  do believe you do the whole like I guess the only advantage that you could you [TS]

  could stay out all night which is not my thing even if that's your thing you can [TS]

  do that then sleep during the day to get a precise [TS]

  like that I guess if you just wanna go in like socializes people that I don't [TS]

  if you're you wouldn't be getting anything done getting much done from a [TS]

  business perspective unless you're going there to try to like I need a partner [TS]

  for my new venture or I'm trying to you know recruited designer to help me and i [TS]

  wanna talk to people and meet you like maybe I guess I am the wrong person to [TS]

  ask about what kind of business you can get a social interactions but I unless [TS]

  you have money for 12 years and you don't have any of these nights a week of [TS]

  vacation time if you have a job and this is not part of your job you know that's [TS]

  what else could use that week for what else could use that thousands and [TS]

  thousands of dollars for you know it's a tough call you know you're absolutely [TS]

  right but if it now this isn't oranges oranges comparison but if I wasn't at [TS]

  WBC was a 2011 and then firstly I wouldn't have met you and secondly I [TS]

  wouldn't have been there with Marco and Merlin and a friend of mine Eric sure to [TS]

  buy you a toaster so there's something to be said for these social interactions [TS]

  important I was one day they like I know a lot of people who are I don't get [TS]

  tickets to go but up for the whole week and that makes sense to be there for [TS]

  like the keynote excitement and the few your range but your range with people [TS]

  like oh we should go out tonight and then we should do other people [TS]

  prevention got the next night you know and then you see the few people you [TS]

  gonna see and then you're out of there well that's why I'm saying maybe I [TS]

  wouldn't go for a whole week making this up and maybe I'd go you know arrived [TS]

  Sunday stay there Monday Tuesday and fly back Wednesday or something like that [TS]

  tired just thinking about it and once again the thought of you know seeing all [TS]

  these wonderful people who you love make you feel exhausted you may be an [TS]

  introvert I'm excited I I really hope I'm in the morning about the more I feel [TS]

  like if I didn't have a ticket I would I would probably still go but I thought I [TS]

  think it would suck you know because most conferences like South by Southwest [TS]

  is a joke you know like the sessions habit of us are terrible the [TS]

  you know that they're mostly panels were people just read Twitter and BS their [TS]

  way through and it's just as an audience member it's it's pretty hard it's pretty [TS]

  unusual to be an ass happens happens session that was worth your time they do [TS]

  exist but they're certainly the minority and so that but that conference all [TS]

  about drinking and partying and socializing and so if you're going to [TS]

  happen Southwest ticket you'll still get almost all of the value of that [TS]

  conference but wEDC for me at least is not that way it mean it does have [TS]

  drinking and partying but for me that the great value of that conference is [TS]

  the sessions and and even the socializing happens in moscow me like [TS]

  that I get usually that's a good point [TS]

  get more socializing done in like the chair areas of Moscone between sessions [TS]

  or like if there's one scheduled Kapoor nothing really that great I'll go sit [TS]

  down and no answer emails stuff and talk to peter out there and you want to know [TS]

  why because you can actually hear people right exactly like a social environment [TS]

  of yelling at a bar by everyone's drunk is really not that you're not going to [TS]

  get the best of all the device for your favorite 2013 drinks like radio get tips [TS]

  and rumors and you have the best trash talker but like that's the thing I'm out [TS]

  of a session like you know some session about scroll using something and you're [TS]

  just sitting next to someone who you want to talk to or you see someone in [TS]

  three rows away when you come out a session that's the perfect opportunity [TS]

  to discuss ScrollView performance with a developer who you're lucky enough to [TS]

  meet in real life because that's in the front of their mind whereas if you call [TS]

  them in a bar later want to discuss preview performance taking to be like [TS]

  it's not the time for that now you know right it's a time for beer and and [TS]

  trash-talking whoever you want to trash talk at that time [TS]

  during you know complaining about Apple are you know a preview of whatever all [TS]

  the other things you do as well but there is something to be said for like [TS]

  it's like an academic type contacts where you're learning about your craft [TS]

  and your business and that's valuable in like you know I'm [TS]

  people ask me why I go because I'm not developing an application but you know I [TS]

  go for my review obviously but if you're actually making an application nice to [TS]

  meet so many developers with iOS and Mac her like this one session has made this [TS]

  entire thing worth it for me because now my god I can't wait to I can't wait to [TS]

  grab my laptop running back down to chair and implement this thing they just [TS]

  showed because gonna make my life so much easier and I never realized that [TS]

  there was so much better way to do this you know and as long as it's not an icon [TS]

  session that usually turns out pretty well for the developer site so I'm sorry [TS]

  I prolong the WBC talked for a long time and I feel like we're probably good here [TS]

  and so you'll see via Twitter whether or not any of the three of us got tickets [TS]

  and I'm sure if if i dont all the complaining and moaning like the like a [TS]

  baby for weeks so let's hope let's hope for the good of the nation and the world [TS]

  that I actually scored if we don't get tickets case it was a cynical hang out [TS]

  together and stared QuickTime videos [TS]

  synchronized you might be joking I'm all in the split screen mode both watching [TS]

  the same session at the same time laying in bed again you think you might be [TS]

  joking but I'm not gonna the funny thing is I would actually be fairly productive [TS]

  dislike arranged like an East Coast meet up for level one week in August and [TS]

  watch the video has backed such as well go to the army compound there you go [TS]

  that's that's true the guest houses right mark estate something like that [TS]

  the only thing is it's actually Marco is in the middle of the three of us but [TS]

  what do you like two or three hours from John and eight from me [TS]

  generous I'm Way closer to your funny living down there [TS]

  of seventy mile per hour speed limit roads in your state so much West right [TS]

  now I know it's here to Virginia [TS]

  in the real virginia also consider that anybody in West Virginia has right now [TS]

  probably not I mean let's be realistic but also consider we're not a state [TS]

  where Commonwealth of Massachusetts differences it's just the residents can [TS]

  say that two people seriously so we can be obnoxious like that exactly like the [TS]

  hipsters you would your state's yeah we were commonwealths before you even [TS]

  states anyway we talked about tonight are we done we can do like another 20 [TS]

  minutes so if you want do you want to talk about why I think the earnings [TS]

  thing has a couple of interesting things about it but not not a whole lot first [TS]

  of all I'm glad that the stock price didn't totally just planet it seems to [TS]

  have stayed roughly the same which is itself into an embarrassing level but I [TS]

  was expecting du mir because you know we've talked about in the past and I've [TS]

  learned a lot about how I think I think Apple is kind of stuck in this in this [TS]

  rush of extremely negative momentum in the public eye and then especially in [TS]

  the press but I hear it from regular people too so it's it's certainly [TS]

  getting out there and you know I have to think like they're probably like people [TS]

  are going to be crapping on Apple publicly and expressing doom and and [TS]

  pessimism about the company and its products and its future I was thinking [TS]

  that would be like a year or two long cycle and i was thinkin also you know [TS]

  that this is not investment advice of a qualified but one of the reasons why is [TS]

  sold all my Apple shares back whenever it was january february [TS]

  like four sixty-something and one of the reasons why oh is it was like soon after [TS]

  the holiday earnings call and the stock took a dive on that call and I realized [TS]

  you know how the earnings are great usually it and they worry it's always [TS]

  the highest quarter of the year and so I figure that's probably the best news [TS]

  they're going to announce for a long time possibly the whole year at least as [TS]

  far as the market is concerned [TS]

  and so I figure if the stock took a dive and was probably their best news day of [TS]

  the year I don't think I wanna holder for the rest of the year and so far has [TS]

  proven to be fairly good a fairly good theory it's panned out but you know with [TS]

  this I was thinking like the quarter after holiday earnings is always kind of [TS]

  soft and will be here we we've been hearing all these rumors about how it [TS]

  was they were having a lower demand expected and they were possibly having [TS]

  an oversupply of components and I mean it sounded bad likely to notice the [TS]

  rumors were pretty bad and then they release their earnings and they're [TS]

  actually pretty decent and you know it's not like the holiday quarter but they [TS]

  beat their own guidance as they usually do and anti-wall Street didn't seem [TS]

  disappointed by it day this was a different corner where they were saying [TS]

  we're not going to give you the guidance they were guaranteed to be this time [TS]

  we're giving you a range and we say we're gonna fall within that range and [TS]

  just above the fact they were stuck in that range would be making me think [TS]

  about was an analyst like alright rhonda your game gave us you still give us an [TS]

  estimate that you knew you could be putting our could be the disease had you [TS]

  know better things that I dunno I just did you know it was just kind of like a [TS]

  watch but the thing about that idea that Apple is like doom and gloom about out [TS]

  but I feel like the entire industry in some respects not so much doom and gloom [TS]

  that's prob like in a holding pattern because we said we notice Apple these [TS]

  things but take a look at the Samsung Galaxy s4 reviews yet I really mediocre [TS]

  right and and and so the st. it's the same attitude is basically from [TS]

  consumers and from the market who cares about the market what have you done for [TS]

  me lately exactly iPhone iPad and even like Samsung the shining star oh no the [TS]

  same thing with Samsung what have you done for me [TS]

  Samsung's Galaxy s3 out of galaxy s4 is the s4 you know so much better than [TS]

  yesterday and they like I guess it's another samsung galaxy phone and got a [TS]

  bunch of things in there but they're not all that awesome and like they're in a [TS]

  brawl in a holding pattern because everybody with the next big thing you [TS]

  know that's why every keeps talking a stupid i watch something to be talking [TS]

  about and i dont the entire tech industries in that holding power [TS]

  turn to say what's going to be the next big thing even if the next breakout [TS]

  thing is oh my god iPad sales are doing a hockey stick and they're going out of [TS]

  control and so many people are excited about Apple again in the news again that [TS]

  could be it too bad but everybody is like there's no company that's like [TS]

  Apple's just kind of like boring and not really grown like he used to but Sam's I [TS]

  got excited now simpson's got another phone and so you know I have another [TS]

  phone and Samsung have nothing do you think you know Samsung gonna come out [TS]

  with its you know Galaxy watches that going to be the exciting things that [TS]

  everybody is just kind of like all right and that was ridiculously punished for [TS]

  you know burning so brightly before and now it's like re will you be punished by [TS]

  the market and you have to go into the corner and stay there right but it's not [TS]

  as if there is someone else [TS]

  sweeping past them to be the new darling of the industry that everyone is pinning [TS]

  their hopes and dreams honor stock prices going up you know 500 X and over [TS]

  the course of two years you know there there is no equivalent to everyone is [TS]

  just kind of sitting there you know cross arms saying hi what have you done [TS]

  for me lately and it could be true that this entire year goes by and no one does [TS]

  anything for those customers with their hands folded but I have listened to the [TS]

  audio then call you a better at some transcripts and I think Tim Cook was [TS]

  making some pants in that direction of like we might have some entering new [TS]

  categories and we're not gonna give you any time lines will he did give a [TS]

  timeline he basically said I mean it in a different comment hehe but he [TS]

  basically said was we're gonna be releasing new stuff this fall and next [TS]

  year so the implication was don't expect much between now and this fall at all he [TS]

  would say is we will have new stuff in the Holocaust stuff in the fall I mean [TS]

  like obviously if he's not going to be any more specific than new stop to be [TS]

  like oh well but he was firm enough on that though that I think what that means [TS]

  is all those rumors about there being an iPhone 5s in the spring that's all crap [TS]

  you know that's that's probably not going to happen I i think is comments [TS]

  made it very clear and I think I think Gruber said to is kind of like like [TS]

  setting expectations for what's going to be announced between now and WBC like [TS]

  there's [TS]

  don't expect a whole lot and was interesting also is that the press [TS]

  release this morning [TS]

  for the BBC confirmed with a quote from Phil that that at WTC we will have new [TS]

  versions of iOS and Mac OS and developers hands so that's that he [TS]

  cannot write and said that so we're gonna see ten anyone doubt that well [TS]

  we've heard rumors that end I was being delayed delayed but you're gonna have [TS]

  you know some version of it if its GNE want to be like I when I was 5 was [TS]

  released today in the thing didn't work that well I wanna put on my phone yeah i [TS]

  know i will never let me forget that I think I also put I was 5 my phone it was [TS]

  a mistake [TS]

  9:59 is GM's at WBC and you don't get a ticket John and I don't get a ticket [TS]

  doesn't mean we don't hang out we don't get on Google hang out together [TS]

  be too busy tonight to watch the video I don't know what that that's that's the [TS]

  problem like if that happened like all the Realtek sites with it was like the [TS]

  people who write every day for us their job would have 10 9 reviews up in like a [TS]

  day or two and I would not be like months and months and it wouldn't be [TS]

  like for me taking you know three months to write something it isn't three months [TS]

  better than someone who wrote there in two days is just not so that's all fine [TS]

  if I take my three months before the real-estate and other views arrived on [TS]

  that you don't care how long it took me right but I don't think I'm gonna wait [TS]

  for the amount of time you saw you wonder how long I'll be able to spend on [TS]

  my review of your review should I write a review of your review of his you know [TS]

  I think that might have been my highest traffic post 2012 hotels and yeah I was [TS]

  obviously and now you have like to have your number to have all the all the many [TS]

  people linked to your the second I am really [TS]

  Google very upset [TS]

  mind you that's hilarious number one it for a while sorry that wasn't our know [TS]

  you but nurses in the title to my name is not know your name is on the title so [TS]

  rest assured the people not having trouble finding their view yeah that's [TS]

  right so anything else about earnings are worth is where things to like you [TS]

  know people who are expecting things earlier than that like new laptops or [TS]

  anything [TS]

  look at the look at Intel's roadmap for what they would put into laptops or Mac [TS]

  Pros or IMAX and looks like everything basically waiting on as well right now [TS]

  but as far as I know how likely coming out until third quarter right you know [TS]

  the the Apple Intel magic of them getting stuff like not even ahead so [TS]

  much just like the fact the first day of the quarter they can happen and well [TS]

  ahead of schedule is exactly what he said would be we've given a preferential [TS]

  treatment and they're able to arrange it so they can have their stuff out exactly [TS]

  as the stuff arrives anybody on there still is not even [TS]

  yeah right now we're still the the current the EF five series and the e3 [TS]

  series is Sandy Bridge EP but then they there's an e3 v2 line which I guess is [TS]

  looking to service I totally missed this it's basically the Ivy Bridge EP version [TS]

  but it's just single processor there's no there's no dual processor versions of [TS]

  the snowy 5-4 as I can tell that yet [TS]

  well honestly like my favorite CPU right now for servers that the best bang for [TS]

  buck like that I can get on a server right now is the e3 1270 totally it's [TS]

  important I'm totally on board with a single processor Nunzia on Mac Pro [TS]

  replacing machine because if you can have it if you can get a clock higher [TS]

  than you can get earlier than his yawn as other possible advantages you know in [TS]

  terms of packaging and power consumption i turn my nose up at that [TS]

  I would prefer Xeon and all the other you know he's here and all that crazy [TS]

  crap that we should not pay for but we do but like you know better I'll take [TS]

  what I can get [TS]

  yeah I mean even like my current Mac Pro might might you know put new program 22 [TS]

  2010 generation it's a single socket because the single socket CPU it's it's [TS]

  the sex acts 3.33 gigahertz one and that for almost every type of workflow is [TS]

  faster than the ones who do not like the old days where you had a single CPU that [TS]

  meant you had a single thread of execution that's right they all die con [TS]

  tu Corazon them and it's like well you just have one CPU or RAM slots at this [TS]

  point and and so like you know if if they made an epiphany generation a Mac [TS]

  Pro only has one socket in in any configuration that she wouldn't be that [TS]

  bad because the single socket Xeons now are so good that although it did you [TS]

  make a heck of a lot of profit of the bigger ones though but I don't know [TS]

  we'll see I i certainly think that my next Mac Pro after this assuming it [TS]

  still uses eons is probably still gonna be a single socket one and I bet it to [TS]

  be true for a whole lot of buyers would spring for the double it wasn't like add [TS]

  another CPU for $2000 like it's not ridiculous like it would be about it [TS]

  would be at like at least 1,500 and it would be lower clock and look at the [TS]

  prices because that's all that's all Intel really look at the prices now I [TS]

  have to I had to think about it hard because like it's not as not as if it's [TS]

  not as if this is a value if I can calculate all I really I don't need this [TS]

  you know I don't like its binding machine once every five years damnit I [TS]

  wanted to be the big beefy one that I'll just have to decide do I think that [TS]

  really is the big if you want because you know like I said it probably would [TS]

  be lower clock to get up there are too many variables plane as we just want [TS]

  something called the Mac Pro whatever it is something that's not an iMac [TS]

  something that's not a laptop on a Mac Mini and that's really really didn't [TS]

  didn't cook say last year that sometime during 2013 they would have something [TS]

  that will make the customer side of what he said was later next [TS]

  year so the later applies to but that certainly does correspond well to the [TS]

  next iteration of the Xeons [TS]

  beyond that I mean if he just said in in so many words that there's not going to [TS]

  be anything until the fall [TS]

  it sounds like he's run out of time and he shouldn't say he Apple's running out [TS]

  of time I don't think anyone does like seven people waiting for the answer to [TS]

  that question of you are very very 12 but when he was actually referring to is [TS]

  like you know whatever I get calls like possibly entering a new product category [TS]

  whatever that means it means something more exciting than a new iPhone iPad Mac [TS]

  that's that's but yes and you know anyone that produces enough excitement [TS]

  to cause any sort of market bond that's like alright well that's what we all [TS]

  aspect that's when you're right time that is what we're waiting for but we're [TS]

  gonna sit here with their arms folded until we get the best thing and so well [TS]

  one thing that was also really interesting from the call was a number [TS]

  of iPads sold and and this was this was crazy basically they sold like [TS]

  nineteen-point something million iPads and that was more than they sold in the [TS]

  holiday quarter that makes sense because if you look at all looking at a Cinco [TS]

  para state used graphs VVIP if you look at all whenever he overlays them so you [TS]

  can just see it like let's just put each products beginning of each product [TS]

  introduction and pin them to the you know the zero on the x-axis and you look [TS]

  at the slopes of the very scared like here's how the iPad took off and here's [TS]

  how the Mac the coffin here's how the iPhone took off the iPad always had the [TS]

  steepest slope like boiling over small the absolute values are pretty high but [TS]

  it's like boy the iPad is taking off much deeper than the iPhone the iPhone [TS]

  to go much deeper than the iPod and Mac is just no way back it's a gradual [TS]

  ramp-up nothing so yeah it's not it's not a surprise that the iPad continues [TS]

  to rack up like that and that's kind of like the wild card which if you want to [TS]

  be optimistic but Apple is where is the ceiling on iPad sales because it is so [TS]

  capable of replacing a PC for so many people become more capable in time [TS]

  you know and they'll keep driving the price down and we're just kind of just [TS]

  getting off the ground like we're a trip like the the iPhone 3G s stage of the [TS]

  iPad right now you know I mean like we got to the one and only got them on its [TS]

  faster and cooler but its fatter and now we got the mini but we're now waiting [TS]

  for the big 12 shrink like we are not even once the iPad it's like the iPhone [TS]

  four stage and an iPhone 5 and behind I think there is tremendous potential for [TS]

  these things as not as PC replacement basically not you have this instead of a [TS]

  PC but for people who never had a PC before this will get them in the door [TS]

  for people who do have a PC they're going to buy this is a companion stopped [TS]

  using their PC as much and we're nowhere close to the CIA vs the phone market [TS]

  where it's like the competitors are locked in a deadly battle and you know [TS]

  the number of non smartphones is dwindling I think they were they just [TS]

  crossed 50% smart on smartphones and unless there is not there is not dislike [TS]

  ridiculous upside rely go by this time next year there will be seven texts many [TS]

  smartphones sold at that time is over but that time is not over for the iPad [TS]

  so you know there's this thing is there's no competitors in the tablet [TS]

  market are not making a dent in the iPad so far so that's not true buchanan [TS]

  candles well well yeah I mean everyone else does so you have to come to nobody [TS]

  and nobody knows how much they've really sold do they mean everyone the market [TS]

  share grassroots like you know Android vs iPhone and Android is like 50 [TS]

  something percent and iPhone is like 20 like it's every time you say tablets [TS]

  like Apple has like 70 or 80 depending on who's counting what will but i think [TS]

  is steadily going down I think it used to be Apple had like 85 to 90 and then [TS]

  you know it's been slowly creeping down now it's like 79 like it's [TS]

  they still have obviously a dominant hold on and [TS]

  think that's up its ok for that to go on and win the overall size of the market [TS]

  is going up so rapidly [TS]

  right okay to be like I think of the king of the iPod the iPod hovered around [TS]

  70 for a long time and that was just plain fun seventy was considered [TS]

  dominant because like other plus random you know competitors only gonna have [TS]

  like 30 percent of something but everyone you know you want to buy music [TS]

  players can get an iPod and it really does that look as you have been over [TS]

  everyone kind of assume that the iPod was like pretty much the only game in [TS]

  town I think if I think if you look at an out there was there was pegged the [TS]

  number and 70 something it wasn't you know wasn't this done as you would think [TS]

  of it because we never would consider it feels like 110 people buying besides [TS]

  iPod wouldn't even know where to go for such a thing but you know those things [TS]

  probably were like you know number one and number two is likes like 1% I know [TS]

  cuz it's like they're so many entries in that it was the the second plurality or [TS]

  something I don't know I don't know math I'm just a programmer III think it's [TS]

  it's also worth pointing out based on what he said about smartphones market [TS]

  and everything that that we have crossed an important threshold in the industry [TS]

  and and I don't think in the end she knows it yet so I'm going to announce it [TS]

  here [TS]

  big news you heard it here first my mother just purchased her first [TS]

  smartphone really how much how much prompting from you I told her not to get [TS]

  on actually I didn't want to support that and her needs for like she had she [TS]

  has a MacBook Air and loves it she had an iMac an iBook before that she [TS]

  actually figured out the computer pretty well I was I was pleasantly surprised [TS]

  she's really really non-technical I was pleasantly surprised by how well she [TS]

  doesn't computer but I told her you don't need an iPad and you don't need a [TS]

  smartphone because I know what she does and doesn't do for the most part and you [TS]

  know just [TS]

  and she she abused our phones and just get whatever cheap food fun you can get [TS]

  so she's had the phone for years she just got her first smartphone against my [TS]

  advice can you guess what phone she got a gal casino free iPhone 4 [TS]

  John you are you are correct [TS]

  even though I told her she was she was visiting here we know might shoot [TS]

  visiting my library of old iPhones in my house a couple of weeks ago a month ago [TS]

  and and I showed her academic here's the iPhone 4 here's the iPhone 5 and ensure [TS]

  the for SBS who cares I knew she wouldn't care but the difference here is [TS]

  the four years the five and I told her specifically do not get the free one the [TS]

  one that even a hundred bucks more is way better because the forehead so much [TS]

  better than the four and I sort of the five and look for 200 you can get this [TS]

  one it is way better than even the middle one and you know trust me this is [TS]

  this is the right now try and push it will finally get the 16 gig that you the [TS]

  cheapest one trust me get that it's great and if you if you don't wanna [TS]

  spend 200 bucks at least been there before us do not get the iPhone four she [TS]

  goes against the iPhone 4 and called me like afterwards and hey guess what I and [TS]

  she kept saying it was free I know you told me to do it but this one was free [TS]

  and it was so nice batteries it was so powerful that that's why this really [TS]

  really matters a lot to have that in in the free category mean it matter so much [TS]

  that you know people are thinking about the plan costs over time or you know how [TS]

  how you can just spend a hundred bucks over this $2,000 phone contracts 100 [TS]

  bucks more have way better device the whole time cuz she's actually actually [TS]

  will keep it the whole two years I she's not gonna upgrade earlier and you think [TS]

  so it's just so judge I have I'm still rocking my for us because I'm too cheap [TS]

  to get a new one every year the forest is a decent phone and today's standards [TS]

  it's it's a heavy big brick but it's decent [TS]

  Apple 2013 to-do list you know to [TS]

  add more variety for this phone line up like make a purpose-built low cost you [TS]

  know free phone instead of having the old one because I think you can get a [TS]

  better phone out for similar costs and similar margins than just three doing [TS]

  that maybe I'm wrong about you can tell you that manufactures double like think [TS]

  of how much better you would feel if she was getting a free phone with exactly [TS]

  the same power and specs as the iPhone 4 but like not an actual iPhone 4 like [TS]

  made a purpose-built thing made with old technology but in newer phone [TS]

  plastic shell crab people like you do have the technology now to make a better [TS]

  phone that may be used I Shrunk origins of components maybe you can make a [TS]

  little bit smaller and lighter maybe you can bump up the margin a little bit you [TS]

  know I know what they want to keep making the same phone you got the [TS]

  assembly lines going you got the parts going it so you're in a group the cost [TS]

  of everything is going way way down but there's that certain point where like [TS]

  you know remember when USB one started become more expensive than USB to there [TS]

  was a cross like if you actually wanted to put USB one on your motherboard and [TS]

  your computer you will end up paying more because everybody when you have old [TS]

  ram and you want to upgrade like you know if you still have some of the uses [TS]

  DDR two and you know trying to find that nowadays is that extreme but like I [TS]

  think there is definitely a case to be made for it even if only just a [TS]

  marketing perspective so you don't you're getting an old home but some [TS]

  people do the same knows it sold the iPhone 4 like that before in the forest [TS]

  looking the same probably helps in this regard but like I would feel bad if I [TS]

  was Apple that people are out there today coming home with a new phone that [TS]

  is just as old as the iPhone 4 I'd rather than coming over the phone with [TS]

  similar power but maybe better battery life may be slightly better screen like [TS]

  maybe maybe yes maybe no class on the back like all the things you can do to [TS]

  like make a plastic make it more durable for people who you know are not gonna be [TS]

  as precious about their phones right there I don't know how they make it work [TS]

  financially in terms of making the same phone [TS]

  cheaper vs making new one but the power of free with contract to usne whether or [TS]

  not [TS]

  elsewhere I would really like to see them do that and come out with a line of [TS]

  phones with the same sort of the same price points for a $99 $2.99 and then [TS]

  respond but not have a series of office supplies have been like are you just [TS]

  getting the old phone you know that there's something about that that makes [TS]

  me feel like they're they're not they're leaving the living money and reputation [TS]

  on the table by continuing to cell phones and that's far and so the [TS]

  previous one fine but don't go back like two models three models I mean I guess I [TS]

  think like you know think about the tech world think about what you were doing [TS]

  and what else was around when the iPhone 4 came out you know that the iPhone 4 [TS]

  came out a few months after the iPad 141 think nobody wanted a pet 11 tonight at [TS]

  this point you can't like any pressure to give them away like their children [TS]

  turn their noses up at the games so you know it cannot read for the iPad won by [TS]

  a few months and like it was in 2010 I was still a tumblr when that when the [TS]

  iPhone 4 came out and just thinking about how long we've had Retina screen [TS]

  like now it seems like we've always had written the screen on our phones maybe [TS]

  not everything else but our phones of course with screens know it's been since [TS]

  2010 which was almost three years ago and I just can't believe there's people [TS]

  now getting a for devices with crappy home buns and questionable antenna [TS]

  designs but more RAM you know make it an 84 make it shrink it may be slightly [TS]

  higher clock and double the RAM and then all of a sudden it's not as embarrassing [TS]

  anymore is not as not as much a pain for software developers who have to deal [TS]

  with this I mean it's just so it's a much better for everyone involved then [TS]

  you probably wouldn't care that much to your mom got the iPhone 3G model was [TS]

  like oh well it's not that easy I disagree because what do you think the [TS]

  likelihood is that the iPhone 4 will run iOS 7 when it comes as a pressure I [TS]

  peace [TS]

  well but as a developer and care if there's no selling August like last year [TS]

  they were still selling 3G S's until the iPhone 5 came out well that's why I said [TS]

  double the RAM because like it ran like that's why multitasking couldn't go on [TS]

  the other phones CPU power in GPR power keeps you out of games and stuff but I [TS]

  think it probably passed the point now where they're adding OS features that [TS]

  can run because the CPU constraints always Rambis it's still relatively RAM [TS]

  starved and there's no getting around that is nothing you can do to optimize [TS]

  your code to like the OS is taking up a bigger portion of RAM you have less left [TS]

  over for you never know how you optimize your stuff you can't fix the LSO that's [TS]

  you know the forest its 2203 jess was even worse [TS]

  around for that long is just the RAM levels was like for the three judges [TS]

  have won 28 to 21 28 and then you know knows 23669 ok see ya like 512 one gig [TS]

  like if you look at the the ramp things they're doubling right and we're not out [TS]

  of the uncomfortable part we're still and you know even with the one gig you [TS]

  feel like I run a big game that could be pushing up against the edge there one [TS]

  witness took us back in that regard a little bit of everything start taking [TS]

  all the testers never think they're taking away more RAM four times I'm not [TS]

  even talking about adding swap find that still no swap we're still ok with that [TS]

  because we don't we don't realize that you know the promise constraints of the [TS]

  reason for that right but always get out of the woods we go through two or three [TS]

  more Dublin periods I'm gonna be like all right there's nothing they're going [TS]

  to do with the OS and any one individual out that's going to hose you know to get [TS]

  a four gig phone and then your mom has a four gig phone even if that phone is [TS]

  three years old you like four gigs it'll be fun but I can't I can't I don't know [TS]

  what they could add that will make a four gig phones out don't get that one [TS]

  doesn't have enough RAM to run the OS two basic apps I want to wrap it up [TS]

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  you next week now this show they didn't even mean to begin accidental [TS]

  john Kasay [TS]

  because it was accidental [TS]

  and you can t be L A T Marco [TS]

  is my choice in that I feel like I'm subconsciously making my boy [TS]

  synthetically deep because there's an audience now as though there wasn't an [TS]

  audience before well maybe it feels more real now seriously done everything KK [TS]

  see myself coming to this episode [TS]

  lubricated let's just say I had an after work function where I might have had a [TS]

  drink or two and I definitely have some of my what we call the the coffee the [TS]

  fussy coffee I fussy vodka [TS]

  what exactly you mean I know this is probably not relevant to the show but [TS]

  who cares what exactly is fussy vodka I don't think there is really such a thing [TS]

  it's just a vodka that you have to special order from our local so so the [TS]

  to get alcohol in Virginia to go to an ABC store which is a state-run thing and [TS]

  so in order to get this particular bottle of IKF to special order it and [TS]

  that's what I've done so it's marginally fussy I guess I'm not a coffee drinker [TS]

  so it's the next best thing right now I'm John I'm curious do you have fussy [TS]

  water water gets is I let the tap run and tell you know this the water that's [TS]

  been sitting in the pipes and kind of going up to room temperature runs out a [TS]

  little bit colder water losses against fantastic so I guess you wanna start the [TS]

  show it maybe this is the show already now this is not the show [TS]