The Accidental Tech Podcast

106: That’s Slightly Right


  damage on those battery that now save for later I had two nights later in the [TS]

  follow-up section it's all in there this is what I get for messing with the Kings [TS]

  follow up my apologies for the follow-up fairy comes at night just like you wake [TS]

  up it's like Christmas morning wildest follow-up question when it comes from no [TS]

  idea comes from the Kings ok would you like to start our follow-up what about [TS]

  the apple of cars lady give me a nickname as distinct from Marco he also [TS]

  called I'm the king of something to start calling Declan the king of the [TS]

  hill that goes what am I the king of colors by Khan's something like that [TS]

  the first item is a tweet from Daniel Silva talking about Tesla's the apple of [TS]

  cars he gave a link to a consumer reports owner survey asking about repair [TS]

  experiences and I was saying that independent repair shops outscored [TS]

  dealership services with one exception and that exception was test lab which [TS]

  had excellent customer set it to be a couple of car me to send a factor that [TS]

  may be just like third [TS]

  seriously what is the sound of one customer setting customers set yeah [TS]

  bad John alright so yes the Tesla has great customer set that's they are the [TS]

  apple of cars to be fair if you rely on Twitter like since this is a thing about [TS]

  repair experience this test will have only been around for a short time so [TS]

  they're all pretty darn new so maybe the repair experiences greatest because [TS]

  they're all under warranty in a relatively new so maybe some [TS]

  particularly anyone other than there is a little appetizer [TS]

  alright well what's our salad course then yeah so now we have Apple AAPL you [TS]

  know the whole mini van wermer in I don't remember where I read this but as [TS]

  with a lot of things in the book are rumours stories is just sort of said [TS]

  someone Sienna minivan or did you just hear from these unnamed sources that [TS]

  they're making a minivan or like we don't we don't know from whence does [TS]

  this minivan business anyway and we were talking about why that might be maybe [TS]

  just kind of a snub nose thing or something like that and think it was the [TS]

  first person to point out that the possibility that I think this is in his [TS]

  body rather people said as well that it might just be a testimonial like you [TS]

  know where they're testing drivetrain or internal stuff or whatever in the [TS]

  outside shape of the car has nothing to do with what's inside it kind of like [TS]

  columbus the set-top box that Apple is almost certainly going to introduce 1998 [TS]

  is a flat black rectangular box course Columbus turned out to be the iMac turns [TS]

  out as with computers and cars or the outside shape of the thing can have [TS]

  absolutely no bearing the actually making it one of the other examples of [TS]

  someone gave us like the iPhone prototypes they were crazy and they were [TS]

  big [TS]

  Columbus is an even better example cuz I was a great shakeout of the internals of [TS]

  this computer had to fit in a certain size but nobody but the industrial [TS]

  design people knew that the thing that was wrapped around that was going to be [TS]

  a translucent eel gumdrop type thing and soak our car companies do have sort of [TS]

  test mules that either heavily disguised are actually bear little resemblance to [TS]

  the final car I think maybe they see your car magazines or market like to [TS]

  remember a case where someone like a car manufacturer was testing the drive train [TS]

  for a new car by waging an into something look like their old car I have [TS]

  vague memories of that even just last week there [TS]

  BMW announced they're going to do a seven seater SUV the ex I got I was just [TS]

  about to bring that up future yeah I like a few days ago that there is a spy [TS]

  shots of what they basically took an axe 5 I think you're next three what would [TS]

  they took one of their one of their existing smaller SUVs and just bought a [TS]

  bunch of weights to the roof in the hood and are testing it that way by league [TS]

  simulating the bigger car that would be on the undersea on the same chassis and [TS]

  drivetrain everything that's slightly right so I have a link which will put [TS]

  the show notes BMW X seven testing using modified 7 Series prototype exactly so [TS]

  yes this looks like a next-generation G eleven seven years prototype look closer [TS]

  and closer and you will see BMW has ingeniously ended waits to the roof and [TS]

  inside the car and raise the hood to accommodate a different engine / intake [TS]

  setup in order to air quotes test the basic x seven drivetrain package and see [TS]

  that's exactly what i was gonna bring up and that sounds very similar to what [TS]

  you're describing Jon and Kate houses additional things like look if you're [TS]

  going to be testing internal stuff like screens or whatever and you will have to [TS]

  have a bunch of equipment hooked up to it to monitor it a minivan type shape [TS]

  leaves lots of room for sort of Engineers to be sitting with their [TS]

  little equipment or laptops are connected to the thing with cables are [TS]

  ever in my area thing while you're in the car like sort sort remote if it's [TS]

  just internal stuff like a mobile lab per stuff that happens inside the car [TS]

  and if the whole car type thing that it could be a drivetrain you or any other [TS]

  type of thing that anyone saying anything like a minivan may have nothing [TS]

  to do with the final project gonna look like one also I mean there's a lot of [TS]

  popular car shapes these days especially in the us- that looked kind of like mini [TS]

  vans like it you say like it's kind of like a minivan that could could [TS]

  encapsulate lots of crossovers large hats hatchbacks things that the Prius V [TS]

  that I don't think they called a minivan and it's pretty small fuhrman even but [TS]

  it's kinda minivan shaped [TS]

  a lot of cars that are near that shape or near that profile actually even more [TS]

  in Europe hatchback so much more than we do but there's another great example [TS]

  with the BMW i3 which a few people wrote in justifiably little annoyed that we [TS]

  didn't bring that up we did though I like I thought we thought we mentioned [TS]

  the i three more discussion of the 812 you briefly brought about you but no we [TS]

  didn't talk about it in the main event I think although I did mention the Smart [TS]

  car and like other cars that had don't have a lot of front overhang is no [TS]

  engine right right and so anyway the point being that the BMW i3 in case [TS]

  you're not aware ease their I believe it's either a hybrid or pure electric is [TS]

  that correct [TS]

  I think its hybrid suffice to say that it looks like a very very minivan almost [TS]

  like a bigger smart car so to to build upon what you were saying John that you [TS]

  could construe the i three is a minivan if you didn't really know what you were [TS]

  talking about even though it's you know half the size of your average American [TS]

  minivan you want to talk about poaching you can put your car in the category of [TS]

  stories that broke since we recorded last week's episode which were recorded [TS]

  on a Wednesday as we always do this one on Wednesday shortly after re-recorded [TS]

  there were more stories that put you know even more smoke to this this rumor [TS]

  and I the New York Times one was you know getting engineers to build a [TS]

  battery division right and you know it automaker type engineers but those [TS]

  people might have expertise and also helping them build iPhone and iPad [TS]

  battery sure but probably their expertise is much more involved in very [TS]

  large batteries for things like cars and if you're doing car play probably don't [TS]

  have any reason to get people who have expertise in building our size batteries [TS]

  so there's a little bit more smoke therefore like they're doing something [TS]

  other than just extending our player during matches and the like that and I [TS]

  think the big one is talking about they hired a bunch of people but I was saying [TS]

  wouldn t be hiring more people who are like mechanical engineers or drive train [TS]

  engineers people know about building cars could always thought was like [TS]

  alright fine some executives like someone's gotta leave these car people [TS]

  get some executives that are not doing any way to tell people what to do [TS]

  executive head of are indeed BMW that's always start with those like the couple [TS]

  of handfuls big names and everything else is just an amorphous number they're [TS]

  hiring about your employees and poaching themes like well where the people who [TS]

  know how to build cars until 9 to 5 Mac the disputes breakdown of here's a bunch [TS]

  mornings instead of just the names of the bigwigs that we are in charge of [TS]

  this here's a bunch more names and if you go through these names and look with [TS]

  their experience expertise are in there in things that have much more to do with [TS]

  building cars are working on cars like the car part of the cars its immediate [TS]

  to sit still short list is not hundreds of people have gone exhaustive head [TS]

  count but it sure looks a lot more like people who would be working on an actual [TS]

  car and not people who will be working on a car play yeah I agree I felt the [TS]

  same way that this could be construed as a car but I'm not so convinced [TS]

  especially after this 95 Mac piece if nothing else they got to be toying with [TS]

  the idea of building an actual car otherwise all these hires just seemed [TS]

  kinda silly to me but it's it's weird I last week I would have told you there's [TS]

  a 10% chance this is actually happening insofar as they're actually even trying [TS]

  to build something even if they scrapped it Jason Snell actually had a really [TS]

  good piece on six colors we're in short he said well you know a lot of companies [TS]

  will try things and throw some spaghetti him so all he will see what sticks and [TS]

  yes sometimes it doesn't stick that's okay and that's certainly see it [TS]

  certainly seems as though Apple is at the very least seeing if if they have [TS]

  anything to contribute here and this man to 5 Mac peace further corroborates at [TS]

  my mind [TS]

  assuming it's like Apple's confirming these people but I just a big just pick [TS]

  one ran their name and his last year is this David Nelson he's from from Tesla [TS]

  and according to his LinkedIn a test like he was [TS]

  served as the mechanical engineering manager leading a team responsible for [TS]

  modeling predicting modeling prediction and verification of Motoring gearbox [TS]

  performance and efficiency you do not need a mechanical engineer who knows [TS]

  about motor and gearbox performance and efficiency are working on car play or a [TS]

  street view things like people like this I don't know how you explain that these [TS]

  people exist at all it is leaving kind of kills again at this is true the idea [TS]

  that all Apple just gonna like partner with somebody and take over their entire [TS]

  interior and do it like why the hell he would reduce hit someone you know her [TS]

  reliability and warranty projects and modeling gear box like this is Pete [TS]

  people for building a car like that and that's one less than one person from [TS]

  this page you just go through them all and I don't know how you can finish them [TS]

  say look if Apple hired all these people are they doing with the boat and [TS]

  building a car that's the thing I mean this is we got so much feedback as a [TS]

  really good feedback this week people giving us also to make sure we're going [TS]

  to talk about the next few minutes all sorts of ideas a lot of people are [TS]

  saying like you know what if Apple is not quite building a car but what if [TS]

  they're addressing the problem of transportation in a bigger in a bigger [TS]

  way maybe it's a non-traditional approach something like you know car [TS]

  sharing or transportation networks of different sorts and these bigger picture [TS]

  ideas at all kinda begin like well they they're gonna solve something a totally [TS]

  different way and the common explanation as well maybe they're gonna build the [TS]

  car OS and licensed it to car makers and or partner with so many the car for that [TS]

  and i think is looking at this it is it is much more likely that they're gonna [TS]

  actually they're actually trainable car than anything else like any any other [TS]

  alternative explanation of what they might be doing with all these people [TS]

  instead it is just looking more likely if you get the more attention to page [TS]

  this the more information that comes out in bits and pieces and rumors the more [TS]

  it looks like there's a lot of smoke behind this and that it is way more [TS]

  likely than any other explanation that they are just trying to put a car and [TS]

  then to address like the what if they do something different or what they do [TS]

  something non-traditional herself a bigger problem I think that's a lot like [TS]

  we have to look at every previous Apple [TS]

  and like before the watch came out we were talking a little you know what if [TS]

  they do something different and it's not really a watched some kind of wearable [TS]

  that's not a watch but it does other things and then it came out as a note to [TS]

  watch it just done well you know something like when the iPad came out [TS]

  and I you know me and me and other bloggers at the time we're talking like [TS]

  you know if they do a tablet how do these solve the input problem and how [TS]

  big is it how they solve the problem of it being between sizes and and the [TS]

  answer was they didn't solve those problems they gave me a good tablet [TS]

  typically when Apple solves problems like this they they don't do something [TS]

  that no one's ever heard of they just do a really good job with things that [TS]

  people generally have heard of or that are cutting edge and so if they make it [TS]

  look at this project to these rumors and these people everything else it sure [TS]

  looks like I said it sure looks like they are making a car that's what people [TS]

  are probably are probably for and if they are making a car rather than having [TS]

  some kind of grand reinvention of everything it is far more likely that [TS]

  they're just going to try to make a really good car in in the traditional [TS]

  sense of how we know cars like I don't and you know maybe it'll be pure [TS]

  electric you know that's that's fine that's that's still within the realm of [TS]

  a car you know and it's very different to that later but it is just so much [TS]

  more likely that the story is more boring than we all think and more boring [TS]

  than a lot of people trying to predict like people are thinking that oh it's [TS]

  it's out of it's just it it has to be something crazy it has to be some [TS]

  sunlight cockamamie scheme to do some crazy thing in and the answer is [TS]

  probably no it's probably just a car that they're hoping to be really good [TS]

  yeah I'd certainly agree that there's a lot more smoke around this potential [TS]

  fire that there was even just a week ago do you want you tell us about something [TS]

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  so we're like two items down in the 300 item follow up we gotta think we can [TS]

  skip this one the Bloomberg says it up and start producing cars by 2020 because [TS]

  that one is just more of a classic like you think you have rumors were gonna [TS]

  tell you when they're going to ship it in fact that it doesn't ship by 2020 [TS]

  it's late you're eligible said to be touring car production as soon as 2020 [TS]

  when she leaves them open to say we didn't say 2020 could be as soon as 2020 [TS]

  if it's sooner than later and just as soon as 20 2012 that even mean anyway [TS]

  would you just removed just remove the next was generated yeah but it's it's [TS]

  unrelated follow-up battle there are related to cart stuff but I thought we [TS]

  could covered at the end but since you brought it up John I guess we'll talk [TS]

  about it now [TS]

  Marco jump the queue by taking the thing i deleted from the Sheraton talking [TS]

  about this is why don't I just deleted these two moved it i didnt deleted the [TS]

  title of last week's show was something like do you wanna sell sugar phones or [TS]

  something that's a reference to align News said in the show and Markham KCS [TS]

  hey do we want to put a link in the shows that explains that for the people [TS]

  who don't know and they were adamant that we not do that I thought you hear [TS]

  something on the show you like what the hell they talkin about you go to the [TS]

  generous and click the link and it would explain it but every joke and reference [TS]

  has to be explained I don't have to be explained it just needs to be an [TS]

  explanation and if you don't get it and are seeking an explanation like you to [TS]

  find ones even follow along with everybody else and get the next to me [TS]

  right at the bottom of the page upside down it'll be a swiping Swiper to read [TS]

  my texts so we didn't get any feedback about that so I guess everybody [TS]

  understood it because you know you're listening to a techno podcast you know [TS]

  people like Apple stuff you know about this and if you didn't I guess you could [TS]

  google it or you don't care what the title anyway if you're wondering what [TS]

  the hell were talking to the day I [TS]

  explaining how do people how do people become like we have a shared history and [TS]

  knowledge and culture of this Apple stuff how do people gained that [TS]

  knowledge so they too can charity show someone has to tell them or they had [TS]

  experiences like you have to you have to invite people into your culture by [TS]

  explaining your shared heritage then they can you anyway this is how it works [TS]

  you know just like we can't tell them because they're not one of us step 1 [TS]

  watch every episode of The Simpsons from the last 25 years just just wants [TS]

  triumph of the nerds robert kingsley's PBS series which is where the squatters [TS]

  from novice publisher for that anyway [TS]

  Steve Jobs when he was at Apple the first time was trying to retreated you [TS]

  see over the company and he went to john sculley who was working at Pepsi and [TS]

  trying to get him to come to Apple and leave his job and his pitch to him as [TS]

  they were strong their garden or whatever was gonna sell sugar water for [TS]

  the rest of your life [TS]

  where do you want to come with me and change the world what God wants to come [TS]

  and he eventually ousted Steve Jobs in a boardroom battles it was not a great [TS]

  move on Steve's part using her ass persuasion to bring the guy who came out [TS]

  of the company but anyway that's what happened everybody has that sugar or [TS]

  quote because it's such a you know whatever you're doing your company like [TS]

  Pepsi sign people should reporter giving people diabetes you're not doing [TS]

  anything you're wasting your talents come to Apple and will change the world [TS]

  and the comparison to test it was like if you just wanna make like well you [TS]

  making smartphones and they already did change over but if you really want to [TS]

  change the world nation testimony can do that and that's how testicular people [TS]

  from Apple [TS]

  get them to stay as you don't get tested to make sure we're doing that here the [TS]

  link above the shots is actually a video from this documentary which is great you [TS]

  should watch it a triumph of the Nerds from the nineties or something this is [TS]

  before Steve Jobs came back to Apple yeah if you haven't seen it before you [TS]

  definitely should watch it I really enjoyed it I know a lot of people are [TS]

  critical of it actually yeah I mean it's overly dramatic and silly and like you [TS]

  know it's not that's where the new taste quotes from too I love ya has footage [TS]

  like for whatever you may feel about like a story that apply [TS]

  slaps on top of the history of PCs to make it interesting and dramatic there [TS]

  are interviews with important people in the industry where they get asked [TS]

  interesting questions and give interesting answers you can just ignore [TS]

  the surrounding silliness and just watch the injuries and even just for that it's [TS]

  great you want to talk to us about what newt wrote in it we didn't I'm surprised [TS]

  when they get more feedback about this because we were discussing last episode [TS]

  lots of different possibility is working with carmakers are not working let them [TS]

  and how are companies wouldn't want Apple to come in and become the most [TS]

  important differentiator in their car because then what are they doing that on [TS]

  that they don't want to have happen to them what happened to the music industry [TS]

  or cell phone carriers where Apple's the valuable part in there just sort of like [TS]

  the stuffing or whatever and I guess we didn't get feedback on this is people [TS]

  either didn't know about this or understood that we understood this but [TS]

  every car company has part [TS]

  suppliers that put the make things are going to the cars like you name any [TS]

  country they don't probably don't make the transmission or the the the the [TS]

  radio the speedometer the seats like they're they're different the fancy [TS]

  sensors like the rain sensors and the automatic headlights they call that like [TS]

  all that stuff is usually from outside air bags right everything comes from [TS]

  some other vendor and but like that's all you're doing is she works like I [TS]

  make parts for whatever like I'm a separate company I'm not part of GM's [TS]

  the whole purpose of my companies to make parts for GMR these other car [TS]

  makers and there are few well-known brands that you would say ok well these [TS]

  cars Audi BMW Mercedes Chrysler like what they all have in common they all [TS]

  have ZF gearboxes right who who who the hell is death like and the reason this [TS]

  didn't come up as like if you're a gearhead you know about the Boston you [TS]

  know about I call these are the companies that did make things but none [TS]

  of those companies end up being the differentiate here like I want the car [TS]

  with the ZF transmission from year to year the same exact car can have a [TS]

  different transmission it's like oh well this multi-year this car has this [TS]

  transmission and next mall year has a transition from entirely different [TS]

  vendor that's not advertised its not an important model changeover just like [TS]

  they change the transmission like it is not a headline feature you don't usually [TS]

  regular people do not know who makes the transmission in their car right they [TS]

  only know that there may be a change to an eight-speed automatic instead of a [TS]

  five speed or whatever that's how the car industry works and that is an [TS]

  acceptable relationship for everybody involved her probably historic reasons [TS]

  and a great example strike infotainment systems like the BMW iDrive and then [TS]

  Mercedes COMAND system and you know all the things that have like a screen and [TS]

  some little wheel you move or touch screen or whatever they're only a few [TS]

  companies that make those things and in fact a single company makes makes those [TS]

  systems for BMW Audi Mercedes Chrysler and one other company that on that I'm [TS]

  forgetting its harmony Connecticut the same company that does Harman Kardon I [TS]

  think they make the infotainment systems for all of those car as you said why I [TS]

  don't like I like BMW system I don't like the mercedes and they're both made [TS]

  by the same manufacturer to to the specifications of the car company to [TS]

  some degree but those companies aren't making the screens and little dials in [TS]

  the software and everything in a brazen that goes on is one company doing this [TS]

  that tell the owner she works with a very important part is that you don't [TS]

  know that you don't know who's applies these parts and from year to year the [TS]

  car makers can change the players who do this and they can decide to bring its [TS]

  in-house and outsourced to different company in pits players against each [TS]

  other in the same way that only super nerds know they like Marcos computer has [TS]

  like the bad elegy screen or whatever that has their attention and the good [TS]

  one was like the Samsung like nobody else knows that Apple is not afraid that [TS]

  people are going to decide that Samsung is the important differentiator in their [TS]

  products like nobody knows that Samsung makes the system-on-a-chip device for [TS]

  years but in any kind of relationship or Apple's gonna do stuff Apple is not [TS]

  going to be content to be merely a part suppliers to the auto industry even car [TS]

  play is distinctly and Apple thing when you see when they were on the road [TS]

  promoting our place if you sure as hell knew that Apple was bringing your car [TS]

  plan and it worked with your iPhone and that I was 100% an apple the Apple logo [TS]

  is all over the screen there is no hiding that the fact that it was Apple [TS]

  whereas nobody knows who makes the you know I have Goodyear tires Michelin [TS]

  tires are you even know what the hell the tire [TS]

  accurate so if you don't know about the auto industry and you read about this [TS]

  and get confusing yeah why can't you one of those things that's just not how [TS]

  Apple operates but that is how the auto industry operates there's a disconnect [TS]

  with Apple being involved in anyway because the relationship that the auto [TS]

  industry is used to do you have any idea how much of that approach is also true [TS]

  of Tesla for example are the motors designed and built in-house or the [TS]

  batteries designed and I think the batteries are designed if not built [TS]

  in-house will jointly building a huge factory for batteries but they're going [TS]

  to do with the batteries is like we start with raw materials and out the [TS]

  other end comes out a batter is reminiscent of the Mackintosh Braun [TS]

  there is no coding dislikes and for their things like sand goes in one and [TS]

  completed mcintosh's go out the other business and stuff like that that's [TS]

  actually interesting comparison like so for Tesla they i mean their whole [TS]

  freaking car practically was from Lotus in the beginning as they just took a [TS]

  look as they fought like a rolling chassis from Lotus news jam their [TS]

  battery pack and to address these days I'm assuming they're doing the same [TS]

  amount if not slightly more in-house stuff than everyone else but yeah they [TS]

  have other suppliers you know I don't think they're making the brake rotors [TS]

  and brake assemblies like there I think there were a party like any other car [TS]

  manufacturer where they carries parts suppliers make things and you know if [TS]

  they can make things to your specifications into your design or if [TS]

  they have something previously available if we already have this brake rotor and [TS]

  the size of you just want to buy it from us like it you don't have to design your [TS]

  own special bracelet or maybe they think they need to for their particular car [TS]

  but I'm assuming that they are using part suppliers in the traditional way [TS]

  because that's how I started to me just getting a whole rolling chassis from [TS]

  Lotus and then shoving their car inside that and then enough this is for the [TS]

  Follow button to bring it up now Apple of course does the same thing you know [TS]

  if you look at an iPhone you can say all that manufacture like Broadcom makes the [TS]

  wifi chip and Samsung's manufacturing system-on-a-chip until recently [TS]

  this company makes the i/o controller in this company makes the screen controller [TS]

  who makes the screen this year and we're coming from so many this year and they [TS]

  change the supplier all the times and nobody knows who this controller's arm [TS]

  where did they get their memory from the get it from Nixle whatever that company [TS]

  is from Samsung and like nobody knows that it is not a differentiator that [TS]

  Apple is giving up no value by by not making all these things itself Apple [TS]

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  Apple wasn't making a car could they be working on something car related like [TS]

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  whole cars yes I magnin like an assembler or whatever they don't just [TS]

  make transmissions are the parts they should be someone else take it is not a [TS]

  magnum will put your stuff together and I'm not sure if the entirely [TS]

  manufacturer of high-end cars or do most of the assembly here anyway how well [TS]

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  name is there ultimately responsible car they desire to decide because into it so [TS]

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  who who makes a transmission who makes those wheels who put them all together [TS]

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  companies like they they don't no one else wants an eight-speed automatic [TS]

  gearbox several people who make cars so they necessarily need to sell their [TS]

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  completed cars for a bunch of parts you know they need car makers to use their [TS]

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  factories and have a special way of doing it deters quality and so on and so [TS]

  forth but even they outsource things and i think is it that license test was [TS]

  drivetrain about technology I think Toyota did like what they tried to I [TS]

  think it fell apart but yeah well this is surprisingly incestuous relationship [TS]

  between all these car coming to the point where like ford probe and what the [TS]

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  there have been cars I mean we haven't even having a toy to brew right [TS]

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  Toyota does the rest of the car I believe that's right there was there is [TS]

  a relationship between Mazda and Ford but they were essentially selling a car [TS]

  with different skins on it I think I also couldn't remember the name of this [TS]

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  MX six yes the program executes the same car with different stuff on it just [TS]

  happened so many times of the year so the owners is super weird like this [TS]

  happened in the tech industry would be like well you know the the Samsung s3 [TS]

  and the iPhone to the same phone right there just have different skin like what [TS]

  that would never happen all the time the auto industry is my favorite was the [TS]

  Mitsubishi 3000gt and the Dodge Stealth oh yeah I was there and it totally [TS]

  crossed I cross country lines crossed you know foreign domestic Asia Europe [TS]

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  kit 2000 I think it was a custom movie or TV car but it was based off a Dodge [TS]

  Stealth I'm not mistaken think I did say that but i dont can't picture that car I [TS]

  loved it as a kid I'm sure if I watched it again today I think it is just a [TS]

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  while back I had actually read like a behind the scenes on the car but I don't [TS]

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  will be able to right the first time and said that there is no other tech news [TS]

  this week as though you know that that sidetrack aside talking about this is [TS]

  getting into the meat of all the many many very grand ideas that listeners [TS]

  have about what Apple could be doing and mike Parker said before the general [TS]

  theme was not about cars man about transportation where they're going to [TS]

  reinvent something somehow don't really know how yet another head-to-head [TS]

  specific things aren't so one entire angle is that Tim Cook loves the [TS]

  environment Apple of the environment the building solar farms everywhere there [TS]

  for the reason they would be interested in doing a car is because electric cars [TS]

  are better for them and so because also environmentally focused it makes perfect [TS]

  sense they were wondering if your card is it fits perfectly with those actions [TS]

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  environment of all the things that produce greenhouse gases cars are [TS]

  significant to get more bang for your buck by getting rid of cash [TS]

  house or any other things or something else are some crazy internet step to me [TS]

  like the 12 biggest shipping like boats that to go across the ocean shipping [TS]

  containers on the 12 or 20 biggest ones of the world one of those in the world [TS]

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  with you could say that about a lot of things like this is good for him I [TS]

  wanted to make something that you know that produces electricity like electric [TS]

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  making powerpoints well you know why should I make a car [TS]

  another thing is if you're going to make an electric car one of the big [TS]

  impediment to like ours has been infrastructure like if I take it on a [TS]

  long trip where do i recharge it had to recharge test lobbies Lee has been [TS]

  talking with but it's supercharger stations that is trying to put all the [TS]

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  there are places where you can charge electric apple all across the entire [TS]

  country I think that could do that testing has shown how difficult that is [TS]

  Apple has a lot more money than they could do a better job in fact I think [TS]

  they may have to do something like that but like Tesla they'll be forced just by [TS]

  reality to start start doing it in just the San Francisco area just in your [TS]

  carry just in the eastern seaboard just up and down like it's just a humongous [TS]

  problem is it's two hundred and eighty supercharger stations right so how many [TS]

  gas stations slightly more than 380 I get is a very big problem it's not like [TS]

  it [TS]

  the company Apple stores have opened just hit obviously super tired as they [TS]

  conceded opened an Apple store but boy that's a long road and it will have to [TS]

  be addressed [TS]

  sort of collectively if Apple makes a bunch of charging stations for its car [TS]

  and Tesla makes budget writers nations Ritz car and stuff like that that's [TS]

  terrible because it would be like if you get a hundred you can only go to Honda [TS]

  gas stations we need a common standard for this and you know we're in early [TS]

  days of this but hopefully this will shake itself out I don't think I'm not [TS]

  going to try to address this need because of this electric cars you have [TS]

  to meet somewhere to charges but don't expect like boy now that Apple is doing [TS]

  it no matter where you live United States I'll be 10 minutes away from [TS]

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  grandiose ideas I didn't think about [TS]

  it's about transportation not about cars what about a kind of ride sharing thing [TS]

  where you don't own the car that the community owns the car and was just [TS]

  throwing this the autonomous cars cars of course are gonna drive themselves all [TS]

  listeners agree not a buscar specifically but all cars will be able [TS]

  be self drive themselves on the driver and once they're autonomous you need to [TS]

  own a car you just need to have like an app that can make the car arrived and it [TS]

  will just share cars together and whenever you need to Carnival come and [TS]

  pick you up like what people are doing is slow motion fantasy reinventing [TS]

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  because perhaps the least efficient way to get lots of people from place to [TS]

  place I think we talked about the last show self-driving cars yeah they're [TS]

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  yeah I agree with that ridiculous translation of know they like we all [TS]

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  would be very hot it's really very very hard for people to be willing to trust [TS]

  self-driving cars and the first time anything goes wrong with one that's [TS]

  going to tarnish their image for years to come [TS]

  it's gonna be I think it's gonna be a tough battle yeah I mean like a couple [TS]

  things to Jaron 1 talking about I was saying the electric cars you know I'm [TS]

  cars in limited scenarios like we already have that some degrees has a [TS]

  very very very big difference of cars always worried about the drive all over [TS]

  factories right now that is obviously very limited I would imagine the first [TS]

  place you're actually going to see self-driving cars is probably someplace [TS]

  like disneyland like an amusement park where it's technically not really a car [TS]

  like it's all contained within the part going unknown routes like they basically [TS]

  have things like that now you know it's like a monorail but without the rail [TS]

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  expand our from there and I made a comment about touring cars being easier [TS]

  than planes mostly because I was contentious in general but I guess they [TS]

  mostly because if there's any kind of problem with the self-driving car you [TS]

  can stop and pull over in a plane like say there's no human available to drive [TS]

  the failure mode of a self-driving car involving slowly coming to a stop and [TS]

  pulling over that is not available to you if the the AI driving a plane loses [TS]

  its bearings and has no idea what the hell to do there is no ok well just do [TS]

  nothing [TS]

  like you know i'll just turn myself off I'm sure we'll be fine [TS]

  like that is at least a viable option driving car granted cars behind you [TS]

  could be read you some time but you don't fall out of the sky where is the [TS]

  AI driving a plane that there is no human available you over the middle of [TS]

  the ocean and the AI super confusing has no idea what to do it does not have an [TS]

  option of saying to myself oh that's mostly true but you know there are whole [TS]

  plane parachutes that will I'm serious there will you drift slowly down into [TS]

  the middle of the Atlantic exactly that works [TS]

  yeah I did I'm not kidding this is actually on the news few weeks ago that [TS]

  some like very very small light aircraft like cessnas for things like that you [TS]

  can apparently get an entire parachute that will pit that will keep the entire [TS]

  plane you know from from plummeting to the ground and rather just floating its [TS]

  way down to the ground or in this hypothetical the middle of the Atlantic [TS]

  where it was at which point you drown and that the pilots you know that sell [TS]

  flying planes are causing problems of piles of it that the plan itself and [TS]

  that's certainly true self driving cars will make the worst drivers for sure and [TS]

  it becomes super complex three generations no no no to drive anymore [TS]

  but no more care for all be dead so you don't worry about it I don't want to [TS]

  give up on driving though unlike drugs that was that was my point here is an [TS]

  easy reference that neither one of you are going to get the what else is new [TS]

  the whole idea is a self-driving cars and ride sharing and use a nap in a [TS]

  softer and card shows up and you don't have to own a car like we all own the [TS]

  cars man or whatever like just that whole sort of utopian future of [TS]

  driverless cars not owned by anybody runs up against one very big problem [TS]

  aptly pointed out by the Seminole nineties movie they have never seen and [TS]

  that reason is people love their cars I don't even know what you're referring to [TS]

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  literally if that's there was a a running gag in this movie was it [TS]

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  entirely sure might be watching to find out if this this is the broader [TS]

  connection but he had no idea for like a train that's going to the Super train is [TS]

  going to try and remember was super bank and he kept pitching at the people and [TS]

  the people would look at it like a scale model and so how would be great images [TS]

  commute times and blah blah and they've been like the people really love their [TS]

  cars like that was that would undercut him constantly Victor missing it really [TS]

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  of super train the fact that it was from a movie that was about to grunge people [TS]

  in Seattle makes it makes me think that that is almost certainly either [TS]

  unconscious or conscience conscious origin of Rotarix super train things I [TS]

  can almost guarantee the movie and internalized that in some way so I'll be [TS]

  interested to know actually if if he was consciously referencing that super train [TS]

  or are you never seen this movie man this you're not gonna say BMW's make [TS]

  most of their cars [TS]

  they do the important part but pushing on the logo logo on the front [TS]

  they make the engine wouldn't start of we watch them make the engines yeah a [TS]

  lot of parts go into an engine to make the spark plugs to make the wires the [TS]

  belts you know it doesn't matter that it takes a village to make a car really [TS]

  that's where we in this follow-up is on last night I think we're still in people [TS]

  with delusions of grandeur about what Apple can do we just passed by the guy [TS]

  who was thinking that like we're all shared across the autonomous and you're [TS]

  just get in with your iPhone in the car will become your car because like your [TS]

  interface will spread out all over it [TS]

  cushions mother cigarettes in their cat hair on the seat like come on San [TS]

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  much more driving than just the car you have to think about everything else like [TS]

  the traffic lights signs the speed limits communication with all of those [TS]

  things communication with all the other cars Apple traffic lights Apple stock [TS]

  I'm reading from you know people must think I'm making fun of something Apple [TS]

  should stop sign while the list goes on [TS]

  what a world what a money earner worldwide yes if Apple could snap its [TS]

  fingers and have interactive electronic traffic signals signs and on every car [TS]

  on the roads they get all communicate with each other at all to communicate [TS]

  with the traffic signals and and detect things from the signs that have to do [TS]

  with CRD speeds off them like Marcus fancy car does that would be an amazing [TS]

  utopian scenario I think it's a little bit of a tall order to think that [TS]

  happened why what's next month just to say that Apple should lay [TS]

  super-conducting super cool superconducting magnets to read every [TS]

  road the entire world never gonna like all these things are technically [TS]

  possible but also like if you imagine like the the actual reality like can you [TS]

  imagine the business of selling traffic lights and stop signs till like every [TS]

  municipality on the country that's probably a terrible low margin business [TS]

  it's like to hear me out ok step one replaced every traffic signal ensign [TS]

  United States [TS]

  to replace every car in the United States with an apple cart at all [TS]

  communicate now now once you've done that that's a prerequisite now you can [TS]

  have a car to get talked to all the other cars that can talk to the signals [TS]

  that can make traffic intelligence it's like alright then yeah ok I'm going to [TS]

  say that is probably in line with the idea that mark was saying that he's [TS]

  worse than the iPad being some amazing thing and not just being a big I put all [TS]

  the stuff like these are all technically possible they're all happening slowly [TS]

  like the stuff happens to looking for Apple to be the savior to stop its [TS]

  fingers and make all these things that are going to eventually happen happened [TS]

  on a much abbreviated time scale I can understand why people like that because [TS]

  I click with it but the smartphone we probably would have gotten to where the [TS]

  iPhone was eventually but Apple sort of accelerated that massively by making a [TS]

  phone that was just leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else was and never [TS]

  know said oh yeah we should do that and they all did in removing along with [TS]

  smartphones looking like iPhones now can Apple do that with things that the scale [TS]

  of traffic signals and signs the best I think you could hope for even if Apple's [TS]

  aiming for this is to have something like this working where the rich people [TS]

  live in California as a proof of concept in the same way that that Google has a [TS]

  self-driving cars driving around in a limited range to show the desis [TS]

  something that can be done but it's a big leap to go from getting this to work [TS]

  in Disneyland or aware there were two people in California which probably a [TS]

  lot like disneyland to this works in the entire United States to this is the way [TS]

  transportation works in the entire planet so I'm not holding my breath [TS]

  right now that alright do you want to talk about china in the Apple car [TS]

  because clearly if you can't sell it in the United States China's the answer I [TS]

  think the China thing for us feedback from Rob Lewis is all the manufacturing [TS]

  goes well all the manufacturing capacity in China if Apple was looking for [TS]

  someone to build their car there's a lot of car manufacturing capability and [TS]

  know-how [TS]

  in China that is ready to be tapped they're talking to magnet think has [TS]

  locations in North America and Europe China maybe but as [TS]

  points out Apple has existing relationships with a lot of big [TS]

  manufacturing capacity in China so surely some part of the Al Baqarah is [TS]

  going to be made or assembled in China because like you know that's I don't [TS]

  think Apple is building a factory to build its battery starting from sand in [TS]

  the United States I assume theyre going to contract out somebody else tell them [TS]

  to make the parts for their stuff and say I'm sure China will be involved will [TS]

  Apple be selling their cars in China to strain need electric mini-vans probably [TS]

  they've got they've got a booming middle class it's a growth opportunity there [TS]

  are a lot of people in China I'm not sure if if their entire strategy will [TS]

  hinge on China but chilly they'll be involved as they are with everything [TS]

  having to do in manufacturing these days it seems so we'd is that it would make [TS]

  it down the shore water and a simple explaining capacity utilization idea to [TS]

  be tweeted something was like a graphic like who has unused capacity for [TS]

  automating China as its 64 percent capacity and everyone else is like it's [TS]

  seventy or eighty percent of has smaller overall capacities are you looking for [TS]

  somebody to get access manufacturing capacity for autos China is it so about [TS]

  that [TS]

  pebble time I kept reading that name in the tweets and thinking is this like a [TS]

  punch or Joe course is the name of the product but I guess stop people time [TS]

  yeah that's the name of the problem and it has its good name for a watch [TS]

  yeah I mean I think everything pebbles doing right now is smart they're in a [TS]

  tough spot and given the tough spot there in these seem like they're making [TS]

  the right moves to not die or at least to prolong death rate I mean like you [TS]

  know they they they started with the SmartWatch that is basically a [TS]

  notifications display for mostly iPhones you know some people bought them but I [TS]

  think most buyers from had iPhones it became pretty clear pretty quickly that [TS]

  Apple was never going to give them the level of access they needed to the [TS]

  notification system to have any kind of like two way communication or any kind [TS]

  of rich functionality [TS]

  as they tried having their own apps in there in Estacada custom integrate with [TS]

  it but they still do but I think the reality is that's that's really not [TS]

  gonna go incredibly far in the Apple ecosystem because the limitations [TS]

  imposed by OS and hardware and apples never been hoping that once Apple makes [TS]

  a watch list I'm feeling alright well and and so forth and so you know they [TS]

  know they're not stupid they saw this and and they I think pretty pretty [TS]

  smartly are are much more embracing the Android side and and I think that's wise [TS]

  you know and and I don't go too far into into people's stuff because our friends [TS]

  over at connected covered it way better than we could be as they actually at [TS]

  least Mike actually has used the other guys have forget but you know mike is [TS]

  actually spent a lot of time using one further none of us have right now I'd [TS]

  only seen one in real life and it looked so incredibly giant and nerdy it's like [TS]

  it that's even too nerdy for us and that's really saying a problem with the [TS]

  people I don't have to pedal steel which is an attempt to be fashionable that I [TS]

  think mostly failed as it wasn't very fashionable and just look like someone [TS]

  trying to be fashionable and they've seen people applauding may be with you [TS]

  mark applauding the idea that the pebble time doesn't try to do that anymore and [TS]

  just looks like I get you may be saying it doesn't get anything again I don't [TS]

  understand like it's fine to say you're not going to go to fashion round like [TS]

  this is not a fashion accessory it's a gadget selling these in the small volume [TS]

  nerds like Android kick-start type thing like doesn't have to be so don't like [TS]

  something that looks like a tech nerd toy like I just all the pebbles the [TS]

  original one to steal in this new one [TS]

  do not look attractive to me and I'm not demanding fashion wise I just wanted to [TS]

  like if they just made an unadorned box it would look better than these things [TS]

  weird weird there missus bulges and [TS]

  borders in things spoken out of anyway I've seen a lot of people in real life [TS]

  they haven't particularly appeal to me but the smart move the pebbles making [TS]

  here is not even attempting to compete with any of the smart watches because [TS]

  there is they are differentiators are better after Sunday's Screen period the [TS]

  end is anyone else gonna do that I know if they have any competition I think [TS]

  it's also fairly it's also more waterproof right I'm not sure I mean I [TS]

  suppose it could be like you know there is less stuff inside at the screen as [TS]

  you know the CPU is super week everything about it is like we're going [TS]

  the opposite extreme because Apple is not going to make a watch and their [TS]

  first outing the less the better last seven days they're gonna be like if you [TS]

  can get through a day without charging right panel says we can go the whole [TS]

  week why because we have any screening screen you're not going to be watching [TS]

  video on what do you mean video forget it we're just you know we're showing you [TS]

  information about calendars and notifications to like that that's what [TS]

  they're trying to do and even that like the Kickstarter 15,000 phones are 15,000 [TS]

  watches or something like that [TS]

  applesauce 15,000 iPhone like every three minutes of the hell it is like you [TS]

  know the volumes are very small this is a boutique thing for gadget nerd and it [TS]

  is found that way forever already like past fifty thousand it looks like it [TS]

  raised almost ten million dollars for a time of recording it's going up still so [TS]

  how many how long does it take Apple to sell them any iPhones like a day or two [TS]

  sure I mean it's not it's not the same game seemed like you know they they [TS]

  started out as a small company it's certainly Kickstarter and in many ways [TS]

  it looks like that's just the right thing to do you want as long as they can [TS]

  and it might be indefinitely might be a long time you might be around for a [TS]

  while there are a lot of gadget nerd obviously let me look how quickly this [TS]

  thing like it reach its goal in like 20 minutes and now its way without you know [TS]

  it's it's raised almost $10,000 right now and it's there's still a month left [TS]

  in the in the campaign thing obviously like and this is all just pre-sales like [TS]

  once it out if it gets good reviews maybe people will buy more mean wanted [TS]

  out the apple orchard be out that's going to take a lot of wind out of the [TS]

  sails here but still you know if if they embrace the Android ecosystem customers [TS]

  for can he use like so it and and if you look at the Android wear watches that [TS]

  they're competing with data in an ecosystem the interweb watches really [TS]

  have not gone very far everyone everyone who's tried them so far as had pretty [TS]

  mixed reviews of them anonymously taking off and if you know if they can they're [TS]

  obviously not going to win on style underwear watches have a better chance [TS]

  in this does not saying they're not gonna win on style but for all the other [TS]

  things you know the battery life possible water resistance durability [TS]

  cost me these things are really cheap there are two hundred bucks a little [TS]

  under two hundred bucks but you want to block so these things are you know [TS]

  there's a there's a big market for this if smart watches are going to be a thing [TS]

  that takes off and I think it's pretty clear that probably gonna happen so I [TS]

  think they're gonna do okay for quite a while and and I think it's wise for them [TS]

  to push further into the Android ecosystem because I was just not going [TS]

  to go that far for them [TS]

  yeah I think it's really important that night they all this is small market only [TS]

  applies to get it you can't even get the gadget nerds if what you try to make it [TS]

  gadget that is like the Apple walk but worse even the gadgets like nobody wants [TS]

  that right so that's why it's so important [TS]

  like it was just you know fifty thousand hundred thousand people or whatever who [TS]

  cares like these people obviously like to be a gadget and cool but if you made [TS]

  something that was had an LCD screen needed to be charged everybody was [TS]

  basically just a worse Apple watch nobody wants that not even the gadget [TS]

  nerds 100 where they want like an android-powered watch you have to do [TS]

  something different than ever but even if you just have a small market and [TS]

  that's why they're being super smart here because it seems like as far as I [TS]

  know no one else is even trying to make a color e-ink SmartWatch like I the only [TS]

  one in the entire world like regardless of how they're doing it with the [TS]

  specific technologies seven-day battery nobody making an Apple or Android where [TS]

  style SmartWatch would ever say seventy buried is no way in hell you getting [TS]

  seventy matter if you have a lot that is a big difference and that will actually [TS]

  appear to get in areas where is if you made it worse Android where watch now [TS]

  you're competing with Motorola night being that black people [TS]

  so very smart move by the Kickstarter and what they're essentially doing is [TS]

  exploring an avenue for wearable to this point we don't know like isn't a deal [TS]

  breaker but is it that you have to charge your Apple watch every day or two [TS]

  people not care and we don't know yet that's the real answer that we don't [TS]

  know [TS]

  yeah and and pebble has shown like they at least among January says a lot of [TS]

  people wearing the original pebble [TS]

  you can't miss it exactly that was enough to get a bunch of people to where [TS]

  I have only seen one other person where an Android where SmartWatch and that [TS]

  person happened to be reviewing that product so I don't know if that counts [TS]

  but I see many pebbles in my travels in inner circles so people may be onto [TS]

  something and if they are on to something it's bad for them because then [TS]

  the Android manufacturers maybe even Apple will just make a watch like that [TS]

  and eventually it's bad for them because presumably eventually the Apple watch [TS]

  will have a multi day 7 days battery life you know [TS]

  57 years but gather ye rosebuds double time thanks a lot for three sponsored [TS]

  this week [TS]

  Coco conf harvest and and we will see you next week [TS]

  now the show they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental John [TS]

  case [TS]

  and a team markle [TS]

  sammarco for the first time in your life you actually did some homework I did it [TS]

  it was a really it was very hard it was a lot of work I I really struggled [TS]

  through to do it for the show I feel for you [TS]

  difficult task yeah so after the last show you were talking about electric [TS]

  cars and what Apple might do in the test on everything and we got a number of [TS]

  comments on the chat and a number of emails immediately afterwards saying [TS]

  usually drive an electric car to know we're talking about so I had to do this [TS]

  I had to go and test drive a Tesla on this past Saturday [TS]

  just so I could know for the show what we're talking about it so kind of you to [TS]

  take one for the team because God knows I would hate to have to go and drive it [TS]

  s like God with thats why I had to drive like 20 minutes to go to the place each [TS]

  way it was it was hard so let me preface this by saying I'm a big fish in as you [TS]

  know from listening to our show I like the fish fish music not the fish that [TS]

  you eat some in the ocean I don't like them at all I can't wait to see ya me [TS]

  too yeah now even though I'm official fan if you can think of what you think [TS]

  of when you think of Phish fans I don't care that much about going live shows [TS]

  even I listen to the live shows you're not a pain man I'm not a plan man I [TS]

  don't do any drugs and the one time I did go to official I didn't do any drugs [TS]

  they're either and so well you know not directly but according to other fish [TS]

  fans to the things they like things they value I'm really like a terrible fish [TS]

  I'm just terrible so similarly I'm also a fan of BMW sports cars but among them [TS]

  so I really prefer all-wheel-drive I never do my car attract I don't take [TS]

  anywhere and do donuts and parking lots I always drive with traction control on [TS]

  and I generally prefer luxurious [TS]

  luxuries like you know comfy seats even if the heavy stuff like that like [TS]

  motorized [TS]

  sunroofs you know heated seats all it's tough it's all these heavy luxury stuff [TS]

  in cars I like that so similar to how I am a terrible fish fan I'm also a [TS]

  terrible sports car owner according to the priorities of most other sports car [TS]

  owners so I went to this test driving thing where they just they had like a [TS]

  table set up at some like health club and you could go and you can sign up and [TS]

  going to test drive it you know for certain times so I went up to this thing [TS]

  and I and i was i was told it would be it the new p85 D model the the super [TS]

  fast one that had that had a crazy reaction video that has the all-wheel [TS]

  drive and the super fast motor so it was although unfortunately it was white but [TS]

  so going into this drive I knew that I was about to drive this giant heavy but [TS]

  very fast [TS]

  all-wheel drive electric car right now I I knew going in [TS]

  academically I knew it was going to be significantly faster than my car but [TS]

  also what I expected based on how we were talking about it and what I've [TS]

  heard from other people and what I saw in a test Limahl showroom like two years [TS]

  ago I was also expecting to have a less luxurious interior and more importantly [TS]

  to be less sporty like I knew to be fast but I also wasn't expecting it to be [TS]

  sporty I want it to be just kind of more you know [TS]

  team handling more cushy a little bit less injuries in the inside so the [TS]

  interior of the car that I saw was actually very nice I would say it is not [TS]

  as nice as a decked out high-end five series but it was it was a lot less far [TS]

  off than it used to be a pretty close I immediately got in a backup out of a [TS]

  parking spot I i really really missed the heads up the heads up display and [TS]

  the top-down parking view top-down part time by the automated cars make us bad [TS]

  drivers can even drive without a a meta simulated bird's eye view of car you [TS]

  know it well I've never scripture in not once I do a lot of parallel parking [TS]

  really tight City spots I've never script I don't scream [TS]

  away by party way too far away from the curb well anyway [TS]

  casino boss is known for its wide spaces roads especially now that was a really [TS]

  wide now we have one car barely through if it so it doesn't have a heads up [TS]

  display doesn't have the side cameras off the top down view so that's that's [TS]

  unfortunate in a car if this class at this price range but they do offer some [TS]

  of the luxuries that I come to enjoy like heated steering wheel very few cars [TS]

  are heated steering wheels once you have a heated steering wheel it's quite like [TS]

  my three series had it before this and it's so nice it's amazing [TS]

  Waverly conditioned seats those are mostly useless anyway I don't have a lot [TS]

  of time to play with the controls the touch screen thing and everything [TS]

  because it was mostly about it was like a 15 minute drive around us on this [TS]

  course they they'd set up around his words now let me let me interrupt your [TS]

  quick do you find that 17 inch monitor whatever the crap it is in the center [TS]

  console [TS]

  look ridiculous to me to you because it looks freaking ridiculous to me it looks [TS]

  completely ridiculous when you look at it in the drive while driving I never [TS]

  had much reason to look at it is it's it's it's pretty low and this is like [TS]

  part of the problem is that the climate controlled by the most common access [TS]

  things for me are at the very bottom of that screen and so if I wanted to just [TS]

  that climate and introduced during the drive so I saw the phone just just a [TS]

  climate I'd like look pretty much almost at the floor looks so far away from the [TS]

  road I'm not a I'm not crazy about that and we'll see in practice [TS]

  change maybe maybe I don't know about some option you can tell a lot of the [TS]

  stuff is customizable I and III spent no time playing with the controls I was all [TS]

  about driving so I can't really discuss the controls and an unreasonable 30 I i [TS]

  do I would say that though the the touch screen control do look a little bit [TS]

  dated like the whole the whole theme of the UI is very much like pre iOS 7 pre [TS]

  Metro it's like you know it looks like I S six basically but less cartoony [TS]

  anyways so get the test drive it in scene modes are yet to fully experience [TS]

  the speed [TS]

  and so we stopped to have a clear road ahead of me I slam on the gas and wow [TS]

  yeah that good wow like holy handbrake wow so the heart selling it only does [TS]

  that super hard acceleration like a few if you're in the in situ mode at a [TS]

  complete stop and you floor it I've never felt anything like that before [TS]

  there is no the reason why it's so jarring is that there is no transition [TS]

  from zero like it you like your ad 0 and all the sudden you're going and once [TS]

  you're going it just feels like an insanely fast car but when you from 0 to [TS]

  going it almost got hit in the face [TS]

  like it was actually unpleasant didn't look like it was actually uncomfortable [TS]

  and unpleasant like it was like if you love you getting hit in the face like i [TS]

  if I actually owned this car I don't think I really ever do that because [TS]

  passengers escaped has like 10 because it really it was actually unpleasant and [TS]

  added a few times I gotta do i didnt beginning and the end of the tester I [TS]

  just so I would like just I would have some perception of like is just the [TS]

  first time that unpleasant to get used to it as a less bad no actually is so to [TS]

  put things in perspective according to Tesla's website the p85 tea does 0-60 in [TS]

  3.2 seconds just as a rough equivalent [TS]

  the Aerosmith rock and roller coaster at Walt Disney World does 02 57 miles an [TS]

  hour in 2.8 seconds so their equipment this this roller coaster takes pictures [TS]

  of everyone on the ride every single time the ride starts because everyone [TS]

  freaks out this matter fact reading from Wikipedia the writer's experience 4.5 [TS]

  Jesus they enter the first inversion and a lot of that is I believe a combination [TS]

  the acceleration in the in the turn itself that's basically you're driving a [TS]

  roller coaster yet it's Amin [TS]

  that's be going from zero to fallen insane mode I mean it's a gimmick you [TS]

  don't have any reason to actually do that in practice ever but my god it like [TS]

  it was it was so fast that was actually like I actually don't have any need or [TS]

  want to do that [TS]

  think the 911 Turbo does it 2.9 or something that's not even the fastest [TS]

  production car that you can get from sixty like there there are below the [TS]

  surface of three super cars out there yet but not a lot of them are these big [TS]

  heavy four-door sedans I mean I think this is the only one you know you're an [TS]

  expected to come out of the oven say it's like the distance is threatening to [TS]

  three second like being in the low to mid three years has been a thing for [TS]

  super cars for a long time but it has not been a thing for a long time for [TS]

  four door sedan right I mean my card ridiculous and it doesn't and I think [TS]

  four point to four point three something like that so it's a pretty substantial [TS]

  difference once you're going when you use driving normally just filigree leaf [TS]

  a sports car I would say it is similar but faster than the m5 you know just sit [TS]

  it feels very similarly on the highway if you're passing somebody that actually [TS]

  isn't that differently going from like 60 to 80 like it feels about the same [TS]

  there actually is some responsibility lag when you're when you're already [TS]

  going fast you want to push it to go around somebody who actually is very [TS]

  similar to a gas engine like at highway speeds it felt very similar to me that [TS]

  might have just been the the acceleration curve some the the pedal [TS]

  like you know the affair with a call like how much do you have to press the [TS]

  pedal to add some proportional amount of engine tonight a lot of the what car [TS]

  makers do to make the car feel more or less parties to change like what happens [TS]

  in the first inch of travel is the second inch of travel and seven times as [TS]

  much gas as the first major travel or the reverse you know so I can imagine [TS]

  that like especially since because all I kinda like they can decide how to curb [TS]

  like a new software update adventure maybe it's the the driving tho [TS]

  devastating to guess that's one thing I wouldn't expect from a Tesla is anything [TS]

  that is perceptible leg having to do with the nature of the drive train as [TS]

  opposed to just programming and occur because there's no turbo spinning [TS]

  outbreak there's no use being changes just merely [TS]

  give more juice to the electric motors and teammate Nick maybe the maybe I was [TS]

  decelerating right before I did that and the regeneration thing was kicked in [TS]

  immediately disengage the regenerative motor engine things that one pedal [TS]

  driving how'd you like that are you doing that then actually so the m5 has a [TS]

  lot of engine section so that compared to the m5 it just felt like it had a [TS]

  little more engine section like it was I didn't do a house using the breaks like [TS]

  a normal person but you could you could do I could see how you could do it I [TS]

  didn't do it stops I would I was just doing it to slow down the way I do with [TS]

  engine braking so it was fine but anyway so like driving around the handling this [TS]

  now join you had mentioned that the handling feels like nothing else because [TS]

  it has the battery pack very low this giant heavyweight sitting very low [TS]

  center of gravity is very low and handles very like it the car stays very [TS]

  flattered that a fair assessment and it doesn't feel the suspension doesn't feel [TS]

  overly step is only the car is flat this like a very stiff suspension and then [TS]

  you go over bumps you feel like you're being jostle right going through the [TS]

  turns I would say that it actually didn't feel noticeably different than my [TS]

  car because like good sports cars have always tried to achieve like they always [TS]

  tried to have very little body roll and at the play tricks with bars or or looks [TS]

  at the suspension tricks to make it better and you know to minimize body [TS]

  roll in and keep the car flat during cornering [TS]

  it it didn't it didn't feel great but they didn't feel dramatically better in [TS]

  cornering then a good sports car would you go over potholes though to get that [TS]

  like I think that's where you don't because like I've driven your car for [TS]

  short distances and driving your car over the totally destroyed roads of [TS]

  Massachusetts I could feel that whatever mode you had to discard a sports car [TS]

  suspension is like going over those bottles felt that way rather than a [TS]

  dozen my record with this machine like every man suspension right whereas in [TS]

  the tests on the same crappy Massachusetts roads it felt flat like [TS]

  your car and turns but then you go over potholes and would also suck them up [TS]

  bettors I feel like the spring rates are [TS]

  softer on the test because they can't afford to be because the center of [TS]

  gravity solo and jostling but it may be a close thing but you know having been a [TS]

  passenger in the test one having driven your car I think the Tesla wins on [TS]

  comfort over a terrible roads and I would assume you're handling but I like [TS]

  the extremes [TS]

  well okay so does have electric power steering now we i said in a couple shows [TS]

  ago how I've never heard anybody say the larger power steering was even as good [TS]

  as hydraulic steering like everyone just everyone's always like we're getting [TS]

  better but you know no one ever has a task so this has little power steering I [TS]

  would say it's good really I wouldn't say it's better but I would say it as [TS]

  good as a steering in my car now again this is only a 15 minute test drive and [TS]

  so maybe if I am one of these things in triple overtime maybe I would have a [TS]

  different opinion of it but in that Hester I we had a lot I had a lot of [TS]

  nice turns at low and high speeds and I did not notice the steering like I asked [TS]

  happy 30 this is why I realized oh this probably electric and I asked and I said [TS]

  yes and and I was I was very impressed because it just it felt like a good [TS]

  sports car steering system and thus the suspension as I would say the suspension [TS]

  felt like it was very advanced because I was able to have a lot of fun with the [TS]

  steering and everything and the suspension and the speed and it never [TS]

  had never felt either to marshmellow ailich Alexis or two uncomfortably firm [TS]

  Michael but the 1 a.m. was like it just felt good but you still felt the road [TS]

  you still felt it was going on and so I really had i I have nothing bad to say [TS]

  about the steering or suspension now the grip this so this isn't on the drive car [TS]

  as earlier I'm available to drive this car has in my 15 minutes of test drive [TS]

  in 20 degree weather on snow tires [TS]

  this car has the most advanced all-wheel-drive system have ever felt by [TS]

  far by far and away the best of a drive I've ever felt as measured by by the by [TS]

  my previous xDrive three series and a couple alexis is driven for parents and [TS]

  stuff and [TS]

  that's why don't you ever driven a super EXTREME a whole separate and the drive [TS]

  system in this thing was shockingly good I have like it was insane and the [TS]

  traction control system again this was cold weather so the tires were a little [TS]

  by little bit hard cold weather there was because of the new york in the [TS]

  winter there was a bunch of travel all over a lot of the roads and I would do [TS]

  things like you know turning turning left at an intersection [TS]

  like making a return from a stop just like irresponsibly quickly just seeing [TS]

  if I could I trying to lose grip and I was able to lose grip occasionally but [TS]

  what's interesting about it is not only is it very hard to lose grip but when it [TS]

  does it's not like the gas systems where they just cut the engine power for a few [TS]

  seconds which really kind of ruins the fun and is not in turn off these systems [TS]

  are these the brakes brake individual wheels if it was doing that I don't know [TS]

  if it was doing that I couldn't tell it just felt like it was it was the best [TS]

  feeling I've ever felt it was the best drive system ever I cannot say enough [TS]

  good things about the drive system and I don't know how does in the snow I didn't [TS]

  try it in the snow I don't have the chance i've heard it very good but i i [TS]

  dont no budget Dr trying to drive it in in a in a fun study irresponsible [TS]

  spirited way it was amazing it didn't feel like a nanny it felt like it was [TS]

  helping me do what I told the car to do when you go from you know when you do [TS]

  that insane acceleration from 0 to 20 million and hit in the face with how [TS]

  fast it is at no point in that did I ever feel like it was unsafe or about to [TS]

  lose control and go off the road I i cant imagine that a big part of that is [TS]

  this all the drive system will you go from zero to going so quickly you think [TS]

  like how can the tires even do this like it feels like it feel like it should be [TS]

  beyond the limits of the tires of the group they can offer but it it still [TS]

  does it so tragic control system of a drive system incredible out even like I [TS]

  would like I would intentionally take a quick turnaround the local band and [TS]

  intentionally put one of the rear wheels on a gravel so that when I floored it it [TS]

  would it should [TS]

  grip and it did but it would it would regain it so quickly and you would never [TS]

  felt like you were in any real danger of being of going off the road or even [TS]

  slightly losing control I mean it was incredible [TS]

  overall driving this car I would say it is an amazing sports car-like ride I [TS]

  knew I was I knew it would be fast I did not know it would be this sport in this [TS]

  fun it was just an incredibly fun sporty fast accelerating drive I cannot say [TS]

  enough good things about how made in this car fell to drive the apple of cars [TS]

  really anyway I do have some concerns you know if I were to own one of these [TS]

  things I of course do have range anxiety you know if he goes like two hundred and [TS]

  sixty miles an ideal circumstances I i do they have a cat litter on their site [TS]

  it's like ok well if you set the air conditioning to this and you actually [TS]

  drive this fast on the highway [TS]

  you know how much do you actually expect and mine was morally 200 miles 200 [TS]

  degrees out of the air conditioning on driving 85 Dandeli 200 though it's not a [TS]

  deal killer but it's a big issue I'm not sure I want this to be our only car our [TS]

  family you know I know I know people who do that and but I'm not sure I could do [TS]

  that the bigger issue at this and this this ties back into what Apple might [TS]

  possibly do in this case I think the answer is pretty similar but there's not [TS]

  much else because the problem is a bigger issue i think is charging speed [TS]

  and the reason why is because electric cars beyond the beyond like you know the [TS]

  battery tech in order just to move a car like this this far they just need a ton [TS]

  of powered like my household electric power standards they just need a [TS]

  ridiculous amount of power limitation is not how quickly the batteries can accept [TS]

  a charge and Sara Lee it's much more limited by how much charge your [TS]

  household wiring is able to give it with the kind of outlet you have installed [TS]

  like that's that's the big limitation with these cars and they have special [TS]

  high power charges you can install but biggest thing for me like my concern [TS]

  with a road trip [TS]

  would be no problem one would be range but the problem to is like where you [TS]

  plug in when you get there to give you some point of reference I did little bit [TS]

  of research here so the the common North American in a 120 volt outlet charger if [TS]

  you plug into that with the Model S you gain three miles of range per hour 3 [TS]

  that's not very good [TS]

  it takes about four days to charge your clock so suppose you drive your car to [TS]

  somewhere where the only place you can plug in is like through some [TS]

  longstanding according to somebody's house or some hotel you can plug into a [TS]

  regular outlet ok then you have to stay there for four days to fully charge so [TS]

  that's probably not a great option for people now what you're supposed to do if [TS]

  you have one of these in your house is you're supposed to get a a dryer outlet [TS]

  installed a 240 and palate installed because confer dryers these days it into [TS]

  a dryer le can charge the car up fully in nine hours which is great so that's [TS]

  fine but like you know I Drive to places like of state to in-laws house my moms I [TS]

  visited you guys at your house before how how likely is it that you're gonna [TS]

  drive somewhere and you're gonna be able to plug into somebody's extra dryer [TS]

  outlet and have that be within like 30 feet if you're over your car is parked [TS]

  did you look for a supercharger stations along your normal routes that's what I [TS]

  was gonna stay because there's one very close to our house like 10 15 minutes [TS]

  away now to be fair that doesn't necessarily mean you would want to ditch [TS]

  your Tesla 20 minutes away from the house I'll just leave it that the [TS]

  superchargers charges in less than an hour though right [TS]

  they give you a dead I believe it's eighty percent charge about 40 minutes [TS]

  so it's not a full charge but you know it's enough and some like 40 minutes now [TS]

  so so I have had a couple testimony some reading of you know what what did test [TS]

  letters do you know how how do you take road trips because chances are you're [TS]

  you're not gonna wanna like arrived at someone's house nearly empty and then [TS]

  just you know not having to plug in that's that's not great and you're also [TS]

  probably not gonna wanna be bugging your hotel or your friend's house or your [TS]

  parents Billy hey can I run this [TS]

  giant extension cord to your dryer outlets like if they if they even how [TS]

  many people do you have a spare tire late period let alone one that you can [TS]

  use that is in range of your car's physical range so it's that's an agreed [TS]

  solution that a good position to be in and I've heard from a number of people [TS]

  thank you for those people who have responded to me perform a number of [TS]

  people who have told me about various like their absence and maps and like [TS]

  there's a thing called plug share [TS]

  people can volunteer their houses to other EV owners that you can use my [TS]

  charging point at my house we're glad you're passing through it that's all [TS]

  cool and everything but that's why I really prefer to be independent and 22 [TS]

  not need to rely on like you know going around somewhere neighborhood at night [TS]

  like trying to figure out where the nearest charged appear that really bums [TS]

  off somebody that's not my style I really doing that so you can do it but [TS]

  it's it's not easy and it's not it's not great and former gather what most people [TS]

  do is you basically supercharged right before you get somewhere and then when [TS]

  you leave on your way out you super charges as you leave and that way you [TS]

  have a charge should do some local driving while you're there and then [TS]

  you're fine but either but you know every time you stop at a supercharger [TS]

  that adds like an hour to your trip you know you gotta get there [TS]

  stop plugin hopefully to nobody already taking up all the spots that's a big [TS]

  problem if there is that a data for you missed you wait for them to come back [TS]

  hopefully your plugin you get forty minutes charge there you know you go and [TS]

  have some lunch whatever but that's that's a big delay for a road trip [TS]

  especially if only if only every 250 miles or so so like every every three or [TS]

  four hours you gotta stop for an hour that's that kinda sucks now did they [TS]

  ever actually start doing the five-minute complete battery swapping [TS]

  talking about yet to talk to other I don't know if it's actually deployed [TS]

  anywhere and I'm not sure that would do it necessarily but it's interesting idea [TS]

  cuz you know again the problem here is [TS]

  is just the speed at which you can deliver this much power into such a [TS]

  tremendous battery pack and that's that's going to be hard to solve in this [TS]

  is like Apple if Apple does it pure electric vehicle you could do fuel cell [TS]

  fuel cells are options to announce that today they're doing the fuel cell [TS]

  vehicles that's interesting but they need hydrogen everywhere that's kind of [TS]

  that has its own set of challenges and issues and anyway so this is a problem [TS]

  you know it's not a deal killer for a lot of people but it is certainly a [TS]

  major inconvenience you know that the fact that you can't just fill up [TS]

  anywhere and that filling up take so long that that is really a problem and [TS]

  not a deal killer for a lot of people but but a significant problem and its [TS]

  parent adoption anyway so I have some reservations about whether I should own [TS]

  one of these things [TS]

  the practical side of it that that would that would concern me but you don't have [TS]

  any reservations about whether your wife should this well she she likes your car [TS]

  like everybody would have to be my car did you look did you look at the [TS]

  the luggage space in like the general you know three GTS dislike it I i feel [TS]

  like the space in this car maybe not as cavernous as her current car but like [TS]

  it's in the ballpark right I think it might have more total space even though [TS]

  the 3G T has a pretty nice wide opening to the back but the test might have more [TS]

  overall space anyway I would say it was the driving experience of this overall [TS]

  was the best car I've ever driven period better than yours [TS]

  yeah i i really would like to have more time during one of these things even [TS]

  though I have reservations about in practice so anyway after the test drive [TS]

  I went back to my car to drive it home for 20 minutes going from the p85 D to [TS]

  an m5 it made the m5 feel like two words that nobody has ever used to describe an [TS]

  m5 slow and light those are two words that no one has ever used to describe it [TS]

  in five you're absolutely right I would add a third one is no easy but this is [TS]

  the radio anyway yeah yeah now yes I first of all I immediately miserable [TS]

  drive immediately [TS]

  cold day on the hard tyres even though we both cars and winter tires on it but [TS]

  I immediately miserable drive going back to shifting gears now I have discussed [TS]

  many times in case you too you know I always I love manually shifting my gears [TS]

  I do with the DCT now it's stuck in the past and I do this because I don't like [TS]

  the way automatics feel and behave and make the decisions for you I want [TS]

  maximum responsiveness for what I intend to do with the car and i can only really [TS]

  get that by shifting gears I don't shift gears manually because I like the actual [TS]

  work of managing what gear the cars in how it matches up with the engine power [TS]

  and everything like the actual work of shifting gears I don't care that much [TS]

  about which is why I had no qualms about going to the city from the manual and [TS]

  why I don't regret that move at all I want the car to behave the way I want to [TS]

  have the power available the way I want not necessarily do I need to be shifting [TS]

  gears constantly having no kieres at all [TS]

  and having infinite power available at any speed but very little lag I can [TS]

  honestly say after 50 minutes driving at least that's just better like it's [TS]

  simply better like I thought it would be less fun or less like a driving [TS]

  experience but it wasn't it just felt better and you know it it really overall [TS]

  it really felt like I went back to my car it immediately felt like the clunky [TS]

  bad hack that gas cars really are like daily gas cars are such terrible hacks [TS]

  piles and piles of terrible has on top of terrible acts and and you know Johnny [TS]

  said last week with the Tesla has so many fewer parts of such a simpler [TS]

  mechanical thing do you feel that like it you can really tell that this all of [TS]

  your drivetrain it is something else it is really something I N and [TS]

  unfortunately the something else I think has ruined me forever like having driven [TS]

  it once but now I'm ruined every gas car seems like an old clunky hack did you [TS]

  look at the front and the back of his head like where the car you open up all [TS]

  the doors open about things you like a magic trick I know they have like I'm [TS]

  also went to go for something else I stopped the show and look at their paint [TS]

  stuff they have one of the had a disassembled where it's only the drive [TS]

  train in they had these I'm sure it's just like a giant silver rectangle of [TS]

  batteries with wheels on the corners and that's about it but there's nothing and [TS]

  have but it has the the motors though right [TS]

  yeah yeah and they like you like this is just the chassis and then you have to [TS]

  add like the engine [TS]

  and that's you could drive that the right cards the wheel suspension is the [TS]

  battery and it's the power sources for all of the wheels yeah exactly so I mean [TS]

  it really I would say don't drive one of these is it will ruin you like I mean it [TS]

  is you know my my lease is coming up in a year and Nobel Dr m5 is probably gonna [TS]

  come out and about three more years but I think by the time and I'll be driving [TS]

  five comes out I'll probably already be driving one of these and I won't want to [TS]

  go back to a gas card like no matter how good of a gas card is once you've ever [TS]

  wanted these things it is shockingly different and shockingly good like again [TS]

  I thought there was going to be a major tradeoffs in fun in supporting us and [TS]

  handling and there just weren't at all like it was just better it was so much [TS]

  better and so much simpler in some of it it's almost more pure you know if it's [TS]

  more pure because there is the best there is less stuff like managing all [TS]

  these different Lake Jackson and levels of power delivery just push the pedal to [TS]

  go and you can do whatever you want with the steering and and it's it's just [TS]

  amazing and so i think you know if I can make an announcement to conclude this [TS]

  whole long rant that's now been almost a half hour long electric cars are like [TS]

  SSDs on the transition to SSDs where you know as soon as you use an SSD for the [TS]

  first time in ruins you miss you see it as a deer like man I can never go back [TS]

  to us and as soon as you have used on any spinning disk that you you have to [TS]

  that horrible it so you know it's terrible so once you have you once you [TS]

  give an electric cars very similar it's like you just ruined everything else for [TS]

  you but like the SSD transition it also comes with significant cost and [TS]

  significant limitations up front and maybe eventually down leak years on the [TS]

  road maybe will be passed that but it's gonna be slower than the transition was [TS]

  and so pure electric cars are incredible in a lot of ways [TS]

  in communion and limited and expensive in other ways but there's just so much [TS]

  better at the core driving experience in so many ways that I think a lot of [TS]

  people are going to be willing to accept those costs and limitations just like as [TS]

  it is and i think it's very very likely that I will get one of these witnesses [TS]

  said last week [TS]

  referencing test that they were the first company that actually made a good [TS]

  electric are not like good for an electric car but a good car that happens [TS]

  to also be a life jacket sounds like you agree totally I i mean completely [TS]

  totally agree I E [TS]

  I like I've already looked at life like price it out with the options I want and [TS]

  it is actually more expensive but what I'd like to do it actually like to see [TS]

  if I can find a dealer has one about to test drive the non PC version just the [TS]

  just the 85 D so it's still the old rival just it's less power because I [TS]

  don't intend to do the insane acceleration from a stop like ever [TS]

  actually like it is that like it was unpleasant so I'm curious like the one [TS]

  on p1 it still has a Dr everything that is like 20 grand less and a good few [TS]

  hundred dollars a month left on the lease so I'm not gonna look at that is [TS]

  even drive one of those and see if I care about the difference but I'm pretty [TS]

  sure maybe getting one of these things and Casey never drive on because it [TS]

  would ruin you to like this this is how the manual transmissions going to die we [TS]

  all thought that it was going to die because everyone moved to automatics in [TS]

  reality the manuals going to be killed by the lack of a need for transmission [TS]

  yeah you're right it's wild to me that you liked it that much the fact that you [TS]

  liked it and I'm not really surprised you know the fact that you liked it [TS]

  this much I do find surprising especially because you know I i feel [TS]

  like BMW and apple and I know you guys think I'm crazy for for comparing them [TS]

  saying they're similar but I really do feel like they are in a lot of ways and [TS]

  an apple in a lot of ways tries to get you invested in the experience of owning [TS]

  an Apple product with the retail stores and I'm trying to get out examples but I [TS]

  can't put that but just the whole experience [TS]

  products similarly BMW maybe they don't actively tried to get you in a similar [TS]

  position but you know when you and I and an underscore went to the performance [TS]

  driving school that was certainly an actual event that we learned things but [TS]

  you could also say it was a two-day BMW sales pitch that we paid for the [TS]

  privilege of going to see and so in a lot of ways I feel like you and I have [TS]

  bought into the whole BMW air quotes culture and plus we both drive like that [TS]

  helps too but the point is you I i feel like you and I are / were all in on [TS]

  Apple all in on the BMW experience and for you to just violently say oh my [TS]

  goodness this is definitely liked your head swiveled around entirely and I'm [TS]

  not saying that's a bad thing at all in fact that's probably a good thing [TS]

  because I think this is the future but but I'm surprised how enthusiastic you [TS]

  are over this experience after having spent so much time going to Munich going [TS]

  to the performance driving school [TS]

  owning three different BMWs in the last 10 years whatever it's been you know I'm [TS]

  surprised that you are this into it this quickly that's you know that's this is [TS]

  true disruption to disruption is something that makes everything else [TS]

  seem totally irrelevant and useless like that's how good this was it was [TS]

  incredible and as you know the comet the handling the speed and the overdrive [TS]

  system or just incredible [TS]

  this is this is this is going to be ridiculously I think you know anyone who [TS]

  can afford it which is admittedly a very small group but it's it's gonna be [TS]

  really good I think what you just said though about you know buying in and and [TS]

  being maybe maybe a family that's the right word just like you know like [TS]

  buying a lot 21 companies you know cultural products or identity this is [TS]

  this is one of the reasons why you know right now I'm a huge fan of coffee and [TS]

  Apple stuff and BMW's but there's a reason why I like my twitter username [TS]

  doesn't include it's not like coffee Marco Apple fan Marco thats [TS]

  I never tried to tie my identity to something that could so easily change [TS]

  over time you know and and I think it's important for everybody to consider this [TS]

  like you know with your own identities and and with with you know the team's [TS]

  you think you're on what you think makes you you know and and if if what if you [TS]

  consists of a set of like brand names in foods you like you know that don't tie [TS]

  to firmly to that because that stuff can change you know what if tomorrow I [TS]

  developed a digestive problem and i cant drink coffee anymore like I don't want [TS]

  to have coffee have been this giant part of my identity it all the time I feel [TS]

  like I'm losing part of my identity you know if BMW starts making cars I don't [TS]

  like I have no problem buying something for somebody else if Apple is making [TS]

  appears I don't like I have no problem buying computers and somebody else I [TS]

  hope that doesn't happen with somebody else that they're not that good but you [TS]

  know if they if that happens like I i'm fine changing those things I it is very [TS]

  important than ever that endeavored Lokmat identity to some external [TS]

  affiliation to a brand or a thing that I can't you'll get away from that's that's [TS]

  unwise and and it makes people make bad decisions and have stupid conversations [TS]

  and leave stupid comment it was common forms so yeah I mean look I like right [TS]

  now I have the BMW because I think it was the best car in the world that I [TS]

  could get at the time that I got it and and I worked hard enough to get it I was [TS]

  really happy about that and I still am very happy with it but now I found [TS]

  something that is substantially better in a few key ways that matter a lot to [TS]

  me and again in some key ways it substantially worse you know my car can [TS]

  go 300 400 miles easy on a highway and I can stop and I can fill up in 10 minutes [TS]

  anywhere and go and you can't do that with a Tesla and that's not gonna be the [TS]

  kind of thing that all of a sudden comes next year that's gonna be a long term [TS]

  thing that you might never be able to do it done even guarantee eventually it'll [TS]

  charge in 10 minutes will be finally that might never happen [TS]

  certainly within the lifetime of of the car that you buy today that you own with [TS]

  no lights of anything by today that won't happen but you to be open to the [TS]

  possibility of something better might come along right and I think in this [TS]

  case something did there any wealthy benefactor of the show please keep in [TS]

  mind that I still want the mid-engine Viet 400 thats 488 you know and just [TS]

  keep up with the model suggests that has not changed now market I think just to [TS]

  close this this post show just let this show you that every once in a while [TS]

  doing your homework is actually worth it was really long I'm sorry incredibly [TS]

  look like a brand affiliation and everything everything you said is true [TS]

  but in your case specifically I think that what it highlights the aspect of [TS]

  your personality and your dealings with sort of products and brands that wins [TS]

  out over brand allegiance is your desire for new shiny things that is the that is [TS]

  the primary motivator of your actions that something better that that's kind [TS]

  of nature of like which doesn't manifest itself in your programming languages but [TS]

  totally self cleaning things that you by Damion like cars the you drive the [TS]

  computers that you use are gonna get a new Mac Pro and now the new iMac is [TS]

  shinier like just you are always looking for a product that's better than the [TS]

  product you have testing million light bulbs is there a better light bulb is it [TS]

  better in some subtle way to find the best light bulb in a look at levels [TS]

  again [TS]

  friendliness the light bulbs just like I just want the best light bulb and it is [TS]

  a better life out there and i dont have it I'm just replacing every light on [TS]

  this damn house [TS]

  it's not crap but it's like I found a way better I know by like it saying that [TS]

  that your personal drive to find the best one of what are the things that [TS]

  you're into his overriding [TS]

  I think you do have some allegiance like you know you really like BMW like what [TS]

  they do you bought multiple BMW's or whatever but only until you find [TS]

  something that's better than like it doesn't that overrides the oil did you [TS]

  did have loyalty to BWW for you know the Tesla has existed if you had test drive [TS]

  test driven the non insane mode none like high-powered one of these years ago [TS]

  you might have had the same reaction maybe without the part where you feel [TS]

  like you're being punched in the face but you might have the same reaction [TS]

  what was keeping you from doing well but it only had a Dr like two months ago and [TS]

  and the high powered motor and I i guess i do like again you don't drive the two [TS]

  wheel drive and see what are you are you have a two hour drive car now you [TS]

  brought it to a drive and five so there is a little bit of like the whole brand [TS]

  loyalty and you know and the fact that you don't wanna keep looking for a new [TS]

  thing like once you find that thing you have you enjoyed for some period of time [TS]

  before you visit but I would say that I was dominant part of your personality [TS]

  over overriding all the other parts [TS]

  this is why lease cars and also cuz I stress out too much when I don't like [TS]

  God whenever I had a car that I owned I was such an incredible ball of nerves [TS]

  and told wreck about it like any any little scratch oh my god it was returned [TS]

  your crappy cars yeah yeah cuz it because then it because it was less [TS]

  about this is going to destroy value me to lose a lot of money and more about [TS]

  going to look at the stretch of the next 10 years [TS]

  yeah I know I'm resigned to that I've got two cars and I tried to keep my new [TS]

  car nice for a long time but it's just that it's impossible [TS]

  this winter like I can imagine you look like when I finally clean it off and see [TS]

  what the hell underneath the road salt and disgusting I can tell you it's gonna [TS]

  look like a very average completely forgettable [TS]

  average of the average from a decade ago but anyway I keep my cars until they die [TS]

  or until their resale value is almost zero like you know we've got ourselves [TS]

  because they don't sell it soon I'm gonna have to give it away and then [TS]

  maybe difficult like that's how long to keep my car so I'm not a car lease their [TS]

  life area though I would drive very little just so you know I have tried to [TS]

  meet answer so far are you ok now somebody will buy you a wealthy [TS]

  benefactors listening I will take good care of it and under the a country radio [TS]

  now or never [TS]

  different house for to live it so this is why you buy used cars because by the [TS]

  time it arrives in your garage it's already been nicked ordained in some way [TS]

  shape or form and so it's all bets are off at that point needed stuff to [TS]

  embrace it I don't think you can do the PE that the 8530 I think you'd have to [TS]

  do the p85 T has the performance differences substantial [TS]

  it's a large difference if it was if it was like if it was a good enough for [TS]

  second rings were just 3.2 a do it there will be plenty but it's a pretty [TS]

  substantial difference yeah I think you're right unfortunately we have to [TS]

  turn on Insane mode you can go try because it may be what you like the fact [TS]

  that there's no pauses are no wiser like just the sort of the wish electric so [TS]

  try to slower and slower once it is again under all that much slower from [TS]

  fifty to eighty maybe even notice when I'm a little concerned that the Super p1 [TS]

  it mentions a speed difference pension inscription and what I like so much [TS]

  about it was the suspension of a drive system so I i suspect I'm just gonna [TS]

  have to go with the big 12 testimony I'm such a national [TS]

  well you know that you overcame that part the part of you that was [TS]

  embarrassed by like the ridiculous car you overcame that for them 50 across [TS]

  that hurt on now you'll be easier to pull the trigger and just give you the [TS]

  whatever the most expensive tests what you have is a 1001 and this is actually [TS]

  my neighborhood like I do feel a little self-conscious because my car is very [TS]

  loud in the employ of it like the end cars are all there are there extra loud [TS]

  have that problem I know exactly like my neighbors have even made comments ago we [TS]

  can hear you coming up the block while that might also have to deal with you [TS]

  not shifting before 5,000 rpm why would I think just say [TS]