The Accidental Tech Podcast

109: Bigger in the Pocket


  I miss anything we need to talk about other than the fact the show's gonna be [TS]

  off all the things that are things we have to talk about what is it like Apple [TS]

  TV and all the business that will keep its all just rumors that we just get if [TS]

  we just end up doing and stuff and sign in 10 and I think that will keep too I [TS]

  think because they also don't think it's happening and there is just no [TS]

  announcement but we'll get to one of those don't worry about as well as [TS]

  saying because all the other stuff that we think is news news isn't really news [TS]

  it's all just future news how does intend to basically about by the world [TS]

  and we don't talk about this week [TS]

  get bought by the world i mean they're basically selling out like they're like [TS]

  they're admitting defeat the reason I said it will keep its because it's a [TS]

  press release and an announcement it's not a thing a product you know what I [TS]

  think it signify something you know and now but i'm saying is that will keep [TS]

  what we talked about it next week and other new will happen between this week [TS]

  and next week related to that story it's not as if any way we'll get to it [TS]

  entire podcast this week should be discussing like this like before [TS]

  actually gonna say anything about a topic just talking about what we're not [TS]

  going to say we're going to matter to go in order to go from top to bottom [TS]

  godfather forward follow-up fallout following follow casting [TS]

  we have a lot of follow up today and it starts with our tipster having a [TS]

  compatriot this compatriots said back to the hub is in the middle of an email [TS]

  it's real and it's coming just not as soon as the tipster thought it'll [TS]

  probably come when the MacBook Pros are announced whenever that may be so the 15 [TS]

  inch Retina MacBook Pro has not been updated yet for Broadwell and doesn't [TS]

  have the first extract that yet presumably it will be updated sometime [TS]

  later this year possibly the summer because that's the only reason it wasn't [TS]

  it yet as far as we know is because the quad-core Broadwell chips aren't [TS]

  actually out from Intel yet my question on this device is whether they're gonna [TS]

  actually just skip that entirely and go and we can't wait for sky lake is if [TS]

  scale again on schedule which it theoretically is then skylight quad-core [TS]

  chips can't be that much further off and with the sky leadership said not only do [TS]

  you get faster CPU performance but you also get new RAM types and they will be [TS]

  getting about three and then that means you could earn five key external display [TS]

  if there was one thing is the curse of the pro suspects that machines and [TS]

  avapro suspects eventually skip Intel chip generations well yeah well wait [TS]

  until messes up their entire consumer line up for an entire year I mean it [TS]

  into always messes up and delays the Xeon that's no big deal and in fact [TS]

  there are new Xeon for the Mac Pro and apples not using them they're skipping a [TS]

  young generation I don't know why but they are but if the MacBook Pro I would [TS]

  expect fifteen-inch to be this summer with either Broadwell or sky like it and [TS]

  the timing works out that if they if they can wait until probably late summer [TS]

  I think they can get sky lake and that would certainly be a better update but [TS]

  as you said that Intel is very often [TS]

  lateish with their don't you think this guy like will inevitably be a little bit [TS]

  later than we think it's going to be as well [TS]

  the the issue with Broadwell was the dye shrink and getting the 40 nanometer [TS]

  process to get to have usable yields but I like is a microarchitecture shaking so [TS]

  it's not related to the yield issue so Intel is claiming it they're still [TS]

  claiming this even recently they are claiming that even though Broadwell was [TS]

  extremely late thats Kylie [TS]

  actually not be late which means Kelly shipping the second half of this year [TS]

  could be by Broadwell is actually intentionally going to be a really short [TS]

  generation [TS]

  question is what you know what what is Apple and other PC manufacturers do with [TS]

  that today actually make Broadwell products and mass or do they just make a [TS]

  handful but Apple has done and wait until I like for their or their higher [TS]

  end stuff where I make more of a difference and I think if the nobel [TS]

  three is right around the corner it would be unfortunate to have a 15 inch [TS]

  MacBook Pro update like months before you can get three chipsets [TS]

  Thunderbolt ports on the I think they would this new tipster the friend of the [TS]

  tipsters says that the updated pros will have more than one port now that's not [TS]

  by necessity mean it will have thunder bolt of course but it but apparently [TS]

  there will be at least more than one John and so you can finally relax and be [TS]

  happy [TS]

  the context of that was it will have more than one USB seaport they were the [TS]

  number of other ports was not specified but I'm I'm thinking thunderbolt is not [TS]

  dead I'm thinking Thunderbolt continues on much like firewire 800 did for so [TS]

  long as it continues on the high end products we're like the typical things [TS]

  he pulled plug a drive into a laptop for you really need to vote for most [TS]

  people's needs so it's fine if the low-end laptops don't happen anymore if [TS]

  that's not a huge deal especially something like like this ultra-portable [TS]

  keep in mind the new airs still do you can still get in lebanon 13 inch air or [TS]

  at the retina MacBook Pro with Thunderbolt so it still goes down to [TS]

  eleven and Jeremy that's a pretty that's pretty good coverage right there so [TS]

  anyway it's fine it's it's it'll be here for a long time so it is still worth it [TS]

  especially when you consider the high end stuff at the Mac Pro and it is still [TS]

  worth it for Apple to invest in Thunderball to support it fully and 222 [TS]

  issued in about three when it comes out I don't remember seeing this email I [TS]

  didn't put it in the follow-up and people in general are complaining about [TS]

  this and I agree with the complaints what is the where this come from wire [TS]

  why is it does it get to be in the follow-up but we believe this person I [TS]

  just thought it was interesting that somebody else apparently tried to double [TS]

  down on behalf of the original person [TS]

  I could read his email yes i just i doing that gonna stop writing stuff [TS]

  writing plausible things into our email form in Cincy if you two are suckered [TS]

  into putting into the shadows maybe I've already done that and I'll review it and [TS]

  hear that is a long long troll but that would make you happy John to ruin your [TS]

  own show feel free [TS]

  the tipsters been in the house the whole time exactly alright moving on to how [TS]

  they view this this is out of order before the start of the stop on because [TS]

  the top on was a accidental neutral follow-up to be talking about the Apple [TS]

  watch and the potential for a two-game value as a sort of collectible piece of [TS]

  electronics like the tweet about this and I almost to be the wrong thing and [TS]

  that can only remember the wrong thing it's not summer games its sports [TS]

  championship someone in the chatroom will tell me that that's super rare NES [TS]

  cart that goes for a lot of money these days that starts with the letter S I [TS]

  think it Sports Champions or maybe the Nintendo World Champion card anyway if [TS]

  you've got an original Apple watch and especially as market pointed out if they [TS]

  don't make any more of the original not ever do not watch original Apple iPad [TS]

  edition and they don't make any more of these gold ones after that which seems [TS]

  unlikely to me but it could happen then it could be worth more than you paid for [TS]

  it in the somewhat distant future [TS]

  purely based on its rarity intend to World Championships the sheriff says is [TS]

  that records anyway one of the things I throughout their related to that is say [TS]

  you know very expensive sports cars that they only make a few of I give you had [TS]

  bought the McLaren f1 as it was really expensive but now goes for a lot more [TS]

  than you would have paid for it and throw some numbers I think I threw out [TS]

  like two hundred fifty grand and now they're like in the millions or [TS]

  something and I was way off I think I was going for the 250 year maybe two [TS]

  thirty two-bit I was thinking of the max speed of the McLaren f1 4 back Monday [TS]

  but CBI rally sport on Twitter [TS]

  give us the correct numbers McLaren f1 was originally 960 k so not cheap [TS]

  because that was in nineteen ninety-something dollars [TS]

  and they currently go for n10 million now I recently saw a white one the only [TS]

  white McLaren f1 ever made [TS]

  going for fourteen million so if you had invested a million dollars in a McLaren [TS]

  f1 in the nineties you would have got a tax return on your investment if you [TS]

  didn't tell you I'm not sure I would take that deal by a white car for 10 [TS]

  years and then so it was the only way what it's all about rarity the pony [TS]

  there's a reason they only made one I know you're trying to mess with me but [TS]

  there is a reason they only made one it's that it's it looks terrible that [TS]

  bad but it is generally a nice looking cars a couple of awkward things about [TS]

  the rear overhang is really small so kinda looks clipped in that way but I [TS]

  guess I get the car in white it's a really nice shape because still a good [TS]

  enough on almost pulled it off almost just not great in my personal estimation [TS]

  and according to Marco I like everything that is white [TS]

  ever will you just happened to all of your cars and white and each time it [TS]

  just kinda happened to you know the only time there two times I've bought cars on [TS]

  my own and one time it was deliberate one time it was not everything else it [TS]

  was a hand me down and Marco you had something from Ryan yes [TS]

  last week we talked about bluetooth headphones and you know you're talking [TS]

  in the context of Apple eliminated the headphone jack from their stuff [TS]

  eventually and switching over to to acquiring bluetooth headphones for [TS]

  everything and what that would mean my main complaint about it were that of not [TS]

  only complexity but also battery life they did you know that you have this [TS]

  other thing that has to be charged and everything we got a lot of good feedback [TS]

  on this some of the some of it came from the hearing aid world because they have [TS]

  a similar problem of hearing aids of you you want to make something as small as [TS]

  possible that can be found here into your ears but that also has good battery [TS]

  life and hearing aids manage pretty impressive battery life these days [TS]

  especially the high end ones but there are four understand some pretty [TS]

  substantial costs associated with that I don't know much more about it than that [TS]

  but it seems like that might be an indicator of what's possible in the not [TS]

  necessarily close future but what is possible with like the cutting-edge [TS]

  better technology and and miniaturization of of headphone type [TS]

  things but a number of other issues were pointed out specifically about bluetooth [TS]

  headphones the biggest one which I totally forgotten about is latency a lot [TS]

  of Bluetooth and it seems like this might differ per model or me maybe per [TS]

  application or something that seems like it's inconsistent and i've seen as [TS]

  myself for its better or worse for some latency is a big problem when you're [TS]

  watching videos or of course anything that requires really up to date sound to [TS]

  match what's on screen there to be no latency or shortly and see I have found [TS]

  with all the Blue Devils I've tried but when I did I did like a little round up [TS]

  with a 45 of them and I found the latency was noticeably better in all of [TS]

  them enough that like playing a video on an iPhone and try to imagine playing a [TS]

  video from an iPhone was just unbearably annoying because the latency was [TS]

  extremely noticeable so you know that it was a cig then I would just like to put [TS]

  on record that I use really cheap really crappy bluetooth headphones with my Mac [TS]

  39 hours a day five days a week and I have never noticed any latency issues [TS]

  and these are not fancy headphones they are made by a brand called Arctic which [TS]

  I've never heard of before I've never bought any of their other products and [TS]

  either one of two things is true either the latency on these just happens to be [TS]

  wonderful [TS]

  in in short or I'm just not picky enough to notice and if it's the latter then [TS]

  let this be a lesson kids that being fussy about headphones in coffee in [TS]

  about everything else under the Sun maybe isn't the best thing in the world [TS]

  and we carry on Marco [TS]

  anyway by the way I said last week I use bluetooth headphones when im walking I [TS]

  listen to podcasts on them they're fantastic and four in that context [TS]

  they're way better than wired headphones I love them I use the Sennheiser PMX get [TS]

  the 120 bTW later in the show notes like a hundred bucks they're they're great [TS]

  they sound the complete garbage for music and a lot by the way a lot of [TS]

  people are saying Bluetooth audio because it uses lossy compression codecs [TS]

  there's a lot of arguments that Bluetooth headphones sound bad because [TS]

  their Bluetooth I've tested in the ones I've tested most of them offer the [TS]

  ability to plug in the cable to test them in both modes cabled mode direct [TS]

  and Bluetooth mode and they sent an equally bad in both modes so the reason [TS]

  they sound bad is not because their Bluetooth a Sara Lee it's because [TS]

  they're bad headphones and it is possible to make decent sounding [TS]

  headphones now a lot of people say oh these new headphones support after-tax [TS]

  this new codec [TS]

  apts I don't know if that's how I said the problem is that iPhones don't [TS]

  support tactics so I see these like Amazon reviews of these headphones to [TS]

  say these new headphones report app text and the play is it sounds great for my [TS]

  phone is way better than the previous albums [TS]

  well they might sound better but it's not because of the apt x Codec because [TS]

  if you using them on an iPhone app texts not being used that being said we got a [TS]

  very good email from Josh daylight in court at line court on Twitter and josh [TS]

  says one of the use case that wasn't mentioned your discussion but perhaps [TS]

  should have been is that a voice-over users I'm a writer and developer I spent [TS]

  virtually all day on my MacBook iPad and iPhone plugged into headphones Bluetooth [TS]

  not only come to the battery life issue which is compounded by constant use by [TS]

  voice-over users but also in my experience latency it's tough enough to [TS]

  voice-over user must listen to everything even the slightest amount of [TS]

  latency and audio can lead to frustration and destruction of [TS]

  productivity I'd imagine this is very analogous to in touch UI suffers from [TS]

  leg so that I could definitely see all right so we should at least briefly [TS]

  touch on the Apple watch addition pricing [TS]

  there's been a lot of chatter that Tim Cook was perhaps embarrassed about the [TS]

  price of the watch didn't show up on any slides and he kinda just said oh yeah [TS]

  it's a $10,000 so anyway there will be a limited quantities of the Apple watch [TS]

  addition it is priced from ten thousand dollars and it will be available in [TS]

  select retail stores the Apple watch Edition is the most beautiful expression [TS]

  of the Apple watch so there's an article in the show notes that I did not read [TS]

  I'm assuming John you put it here I did I don't remember what's in this artist [TS]

  info put it on my tab sorry but maybe you did you lost it right before the [TS]

  show after show I remember hearing about this before I saw the presentation [TS]

  because I didn't watch it right and so I do to pay attention during sort of that [TS]

  section of the thing to see if these articles that I had heard about where [TS]

  the nose and his two things I know about Tim Cook in addition the pricing thing [TS]

  presentation one he made a comment earlier in the presentation I believe [TS]

  when they're doing the Health section about his heart rate you know sort of [TS]

  doing the joke he kind of thing that I guess non-professional bit like less [TS]

  experienced public speakers are maybe yeah I think they like a legendary folk [TS]

  spearsville add something to their presentation that acknowledges the fact [TS]

  that they're nervous to sort of you know cut the tension to get the audience on [TS]

  their side and to relax them to sort of go forward together so we don't have to [TS]

  so it's not awkward right Tim Cook did that in this presentation when he was [TS]

  showing the heart rate things like check your heart rate and this is clearly not [TS]

  mind at this point in time [TS]

  first presentation we assume that there's some baseline level of [TS]

  nervousness that everyone feels when they're doing a big important [TS]

  presentation we assume they're all nervous about things but if he was going [TS]

  to be nervous about something you would think he would be nervous about the [TS]

  revealing of the Apple watch and not this presentation so what I was thinking [TS]

  about is alright what is it about this presentation which really is just going [TS]

  over stuff we already knew and adding detail to the Apple watch what is he [TS]

  nervous about in this one and that ties into when he got to the Apple watch [TS]

  edition and he has to say the Apple washes and starts at $10,000 and [TS]

  believable and selected blah blah blah blah blah and he just like eight those [TS]

  words like you hated look down into shoes and mumbled them but he might as [TS]

  well have like he was not he did not muster up a bunch of fake enthusiasm the [TS]

  Apple audition is really great it's available starting at $10,000 and it was [TS]

  low key there was no slide there was another time given to it he didn't have [TS]

  a lot of enthusiasm for the announcement is that what he was talking about his [TS]

  heart right now he's from sure he's nervous when he does all the [TS]

  presentations maybe is not a natural thing maybe they're not connected but [TS]

  whether they're connected or not the way the pricing of the Apple audition was [TS]

  dealt with in presentation at the very least shows that Apple thinks that the [TS]

  audience it was communicating to in a keynote is not really the same audience [TS]

  that's going to buy this watch the information has to get out there has to [TS]

  be in the press and so on and so forth but the as I get a different set of [TS]

  people it's not the tech press that was invited to the invite all the fashion [TS]

  people and everything is well just not putting things was Tim Cook embarrassed [TS]

  about the tenncare watch I don't know if he was in Paris but he definitely didn't [TS]

  seem as excited about the Apple a tradition at its price as he was about [TS]

  things and I guess but you could do is make a little clip and say let's show [TS]

  him saying the polite start to $349 does he say that with more or less enthusiasm [TS]

  abue says pricing and boring way that's all he had to say about this [TS]

  I don't know that to me it seemed like this product does not sit comfortably in [TS]

  the same sort of keynote presentation style that works awesome to from Apple [TS]

  and that it as in so many other things that it needs some other venue and [TS]

  saying wait it's gonna need some other venue for sales like like stores a [TS]

  special room they go to different kind of treatment from the people selling you [TS]

  the watch like the different box that it comes in like everything about it is [TS]

  different from other Apple products and i dont know thats you guys know is that [TS]

  when you're watching this presentation is a really stood out to me maybe I was [TS]

  prime to look for it I guess but I noticed it but I wouldn't say it was [TS]

  loud so to speak and support choice of words in this context but it wasn't the [TS]

  sort of thing that knocked me off my chair I but I did notice he seemed to [TS]

  kind of brush by it quickly under market what did you think basically just that [TS]

  but that it very clearly see very clearly that he rushed through it it was [TS]

  not I don't think it was necessarily nervousness I think I don't think it was [TS]

  necessarily him not be excited about it you know that's just his style speaking [TS]

  I I think he was he really just to rush through it and ended that part was [TS]

  intentional that they had that they did not want to really spend a lot of time [TS]

  on that because you know you could tell you know they were there is good [TS]

  discussion on the talk show last week with Gilbert Mattapan czarina [TS]

  they kinda think that maybe there's some debate inside the company about whether [TS]

  this should even exist certainly it's it's uncharted territory for the company [TS]

  I think in order to try to minimize how much this would alienate their existing [TS]

  customer base or their their most of their customer base that is not buying [TS]

  this thing and that and that can't or at least won't buy it I think it in order [TS]

  to just minimize the only nation there and minimize the appearance of being [TS]

  this new snobby company I didn't thats why they didn't give a lot of time I [TS]

  don't think it necessarily reflects what Tim things about it or whether tim was [TS]

  nervous about it I think it's really just about just making sure that it [TS]

  wasn't distracting [TS]

  from the present it from the from the other person presentation like the other [TS]

  prices being pretty reasonable and that's what he could possibly in theory [TS]

  be nervous about like the idea that the entire conversation about this product [TS]

  that is clearly very excited about could get derailed talking about this one low [TS]

  volume version of this product and that ties into the other sort of vague rumors [TS]

  story narrative the idea that johnnie I really likes expensive watches Marc [TS]

  Newson realize expensive watches and as sort of a park to the two of them to [TS]

  johnnie essentially saying stay with Apple make this watch for us will let [TS]

  you make a rating is expensive because we know you really like that and it may [TS]

  seem silly that personal considerations like that if they're even true again we [TS]

  don't know this is all just rumors right but I'm not seeing very second that this [TS]

  was the case that johnnie every like expensive watches the idea that the [TS]

  world's biggest company would do something like had a special low volume [TS]

  version of its products to satisfy the person designing the product seems crazy [TS]

  in a weird just because it seems like the whims of this one person dictating [TS]

  entire product line by Apple but it's not weird like when steve Jobs was alive [TS]

  the whims of any of an even more mercurial as they used to say back in [TS]

  the eighties person was dictating that wins the world's biggest company so [TS]

  that's that's the way people work that's the way people deal with each other I [TS]

  don't think it's out of the question and you know that absolute talk show yet but [TS]

  like that there could be an internal debate about what kind of company does [TS]

  Apple wanna be this white house price different from $10,000 Mac Pro was [TS]

  different but these boys in that way you know like we talked about this before [TS]

  right I can imagine that same conversation going on inside the company [TS]

  and I can also imagine ending up in the current situation where they make a [TS]

  $10,000 gold watch because one factional company really likes $10,000 go about [TS]

  you know what you mean John johnny is worth keeping around so if anyone could [TS]

  pull it off and beat him but it's weird [TS]

  I mean anything it's like just to satisfy him but you know there's that if [TS]

  there is a multiple factions in the inside the company among the [TS]

  decision-makers it's reasonable to think that you know the side that one could [TS]

  include a very important person like Johnny I was into that maybe that's what [TS]

  it took to get Marc Newson to come to the company and Johnny really want mark [TS]

  to come like any way you could pick up all sorts of stories about this but like [TS]

  it if I think of notable in that I can't remember the last time and less to my [TS]

  surprise for something like a compromise or sort of boring product are not [TS]

  interesting thing than a gloss over it or maybe doesn't even make it to the [TS]

  keynote like the new Mac Pro that was really new and stuff like that [TS]

  expect right now and everything but this is like the top of the top of the line [TS]

  fanciest version of the product that Apple is just super excited about right [TS]

  and so it's weird for this one to be liked by the way to the washing dishes [TS]

  or rich people's $10,000 nevermind that was weird I i mean i think it just it [TS]

  just shows how much the addition really is I think an experiment from Apple you [TS]

  know I don't I don't think when they initially conceived the watch that [TS]

  they're like alright we're gonna have three versions cheap normal and gold [TS]

  I don't think it went like that well i think i mean has been to the terence me [TS]

  like we're talking about the watch it they decide to make a watch they have to [TS]

  have the conversation about how is this different than everything else who made [TS]

  how does perot to our products change when we asked people to wear them and no [TS]

  putting an iPod shuffle on your neck doesn't count right how does it change [TS]

  we we have to address it differently and if you're going to make a watch and [TS]

  we're not going to sell $10 plastic watches were going to sell a range [TS]

  watches watches go up to this high-end why would we not make a watch like that [TS]

  and then they get since like well the same as the other want you to make [TS]

  another fancy materials like yes that's that's something people do with why just [TS]

  why because people want golda why do they want gold things why is the goal [TS]

  why do we get to do a 500 percent markup it's like this just just the way it [TS]

  works [TS]

  yeah that's a thing like you know as I read my blog before the event [TS]

  thinking that it would be cheaper but I wrote in that that you know the point of [TS]

  Apple watch is to get people to wear it first and then do a lot of stuff like [TS]

  that it's if you can't get people to wear it and then all the work you do is [TS]

  pointless and there are certain people who the only kind of watch the gonna be [TS]

  seen wearing is something that's expensive and made of gold [TS]

  you know and and that's for various reasons that are you know we we can [TS]

  disagree with them or not the same way but people have those reasons so if they [TS]

  want people like celebrities and really rich people who like this you'll really [TS]

  get they want them to wear an apple watch at all they have to make a cold [TS]

  one you know like it like theirs and certainly the sum of it being this you [TS]

  know this very profitable fashion world kinda thing and being prestigious but [TS]

  you know I think most of it is just that just the the goal of we need to make [TS]

  something that nobody can look at and say well that's too dorky to wear that's [TS]

  not good enough for me to wear and apples going to do this but they think [TS]

  that they are like that the reason I think they made the right call I think [TS]

  this is not a boondoggle for johnnie I think marlys he was right but I think [TS]

  the company has now become comfortable with the idea that this is the type of [TS]

  thing they sell you wouldn't see it Rolex like mumbling over the pricing of [TS]

  Amity tell you well you know it the car spares adequate right like that's how we [TS]

  handle you don't mention the press Like if you have to ask you can't afford it [TS]

  like whatever Apple needs to figure out how do you present products like this [TS]

  because they are making a product like this and it's probably a good call them [TS]

  to make progress they just to figure out as a company how do you presented [TS]

  because I think you have to presented differently than the new MacBook or you [TS]

  know the traditional technology product in speaking of the addition there was an [TS]

  omission during the keynote not an awkward fly-by but it straight up a [TS]

  mission and that was the video about gold we saw a video about aluminum we [TS]

  saw a video about steel but we didn't see a video about gold but apparently [TS]

  such a video exists in they just didn't play during the keynote so that strikes [TS]

  me as odd although since most of the audience of that presentation is [TS]

  is in both in person in general is probably not going to be buying in [TS]

  addition it's not terribly remarkable to me that they didn't show that video [TS]

  during the presentation but I don't know can you can you imagine if they did they [TS]

  did show that video and it could discover time away but imagine they did [TS]

  show I can imagine given the population that despite the fact that I'm sure [TS]

  Apple invited people from Poconos in the fashion magazines that I don't know the [TS]

  names of am sure they were in the audience to but we know that a lot of [TS]

  the audience technology you know right I can imagine a little bit of weird [TS]

  uncomfortable tutoring from the audience when this cold thing is playing like [TS]

  that for the same reason to the nerd Dec presses kind of like totally willing to [TS]

  see like CNC milling machines grinding weight aluminum and over asymmetrical [TS]

  fan blades and stuff like that that's what the tech press likes once you start [TS]

  showing gold I think they feel like they're going out of their comfort zone [TS]

  and you know Jony ive talking and flowery terms about their that the gold [TS]

  they have and how it's a beautiful metal involve like it feels uncomfortable [TS]

  because you're like this is not engineering this is not technology this [TS]

  is this is merely fashion right and it just I don't think it would I think it [TS]

  would've been fine probably but I can imagine if I was there in person when [TS]

  they heard on the slides were there in person [TS]

  a couple of weird discs discs or at the very least that the media deciding at [TS]

  that time they're going to check their Twitter video comes up I guess I think [TS]

  it's very simple I think it's that they you know they wanted to not spend a lot [TS]

  of time on the old pricing and so they just blew right by the whole gold [TS]

  section of the presentation I don't think it's any more complicated than [TS]

  that it was it wasn't worth the time they would they didn't want people to be [TS]

  focused on that they want to be focused on the other stuff but I think that's a [TS]

  problem for the company like that they have to figure out they have to get [TS]

  comfortable themselves and decide I mean we just have one data point now so you [TS]

  don't know what they have to have to figure out how how do we deal with this [TS]

  how do we deal with the vast gulf between these products they make future [TS]

  products like this like the Apple you know monocle the Apple ring like what [TS]

  they're going to do with wearable tech in the future they have to figure it out [TS]

  they have to just sort of come up with a policy and then it did until 14 and we [TS]

  sort of [TS]

  you know expect that there are going to talk about the super expensive line or [TS]

  when they do they're going to do it in this way or they are going to mention [TS]

  the price and all that business [TS]

  well the good thing is our first budget this week is a much better deal than [TS]

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  lot to fracture for sponsorship once again so we have approximately six hours [TS]

  MacBook follow-up [TS]

  I don't think it's that bad and we talked about most of these things just [TS]

  filling in the gaps as we spent a long time last year talking about the new [TS]

  MacBooks limitations and pros and cons and blah blah blah and they hear the [TS]

  things that we didn't get to or that it had new information about the first one [TS]

  is about the flash in the new MacBook apparently it's a really really fast [TS]

  which is nice [TS]

  Lakers bears beets benchmarking showing that you get the the new MacBook the [TS]

  flash storage is actually faster than the big black to Mac Pros flash storage [TS]

  which is a hell of a bargain you consider the price of the Big Mac Pro [TS]

  yeah I believe I think they make any PCI Express faster on this chipset I think [TS]

  that's the that's one of the sources of this gain and may be different [TS]

  flash chips over every just you know technology marches on flash is a [TS]

  relatively young technology but we're in a weird situation our actually if you [TS]

  get this pretty much you know bottom of the line close to buy online Apple [TS]

  notebook you will get really fast flash storage which is nice and hopefully [TS]

  bodes well for future big to Mac Pros and other products [TS]

  yeah I would expect as everything gets the updated chipsets over the coming [TS]

  year I would expect them to all have the same the same things basically no word [TS]

  yet on TRIM support or where there was need that anymore whether it's handled [TS]

  by the firm [TS]

  where cooperation with the OS like people always ask about them as a backup [TS]

  Samsung 840 pro SSD I have not done the crazy hack to enable term support now [TS]

  I'm just gonna say it like you know you just handle it I know there's nothing [TS]

  magical that the firmware on the thing can do to make up for the fact that the [TS]

  OS is not telling the hardware which blocks are unused but I don't know I [TS]

  mean I'm trying to keep a regional space free on it I haven't probably filled all [TS]

  the space with real or deleted files yet if the performance drops off a cliff on [TS]

  my as if they'll be sure to let you guys know but so far [TS]

  doing okay and I just hope I i don't i don't want to think about that I also [TS]

  don't want to be in any unsupported configuration but I know a lot of people [TS]

  do do that acts to enable term support and they seem ok with it too so you know [TS]

  you would do whatever you gotta do but so far so good and and I'm just happy to [TS]

  see storage getting faster because you know once you go I see you then you just [TS]

  like ok how much faster Glasgow yeah just you right you know if you have a [TS]

  more modern computer you have faster buses and everything you think about [TS]

  that the other day that boy seven years very seven-year-old communist [TS]

  seven-year-old computer can I make it to using it a 10 year old computer like me [TS]

  at this point you might as well try if you're if you're this close to buy the [TS]

  first one that comes that you know fulfills my requirement it never will [TS]

  yeah don't hold your breath so you'll definitely reach ten years as long as [TS]

  the steelworkers the current macro I would've gotten it was like half the [TS]

  price [TS]

  here's a question if if something critical died in your current one today [TS]

  what would you buy to replace it I would probably be forced to get the iMac the [TS]

  UF [TS]

  that must be excruciating for you I would not like it because it would be [TS]

  like I know this is just a [TS]

  stepping-stone machine and the graphics the whole graphics performance and [TS]

  overheating and whatever like I love the screen and everything just like a way [TS]

  station on my way to getting something better later I don't know I'm hang in [TS]

  there that's hanging in there by the way whatever it's worth [TS]

  graphics performance I don't I don't know how it compares by any standards [TS]

  but I have not had any heating problems now playing games on this is all just [TS]

  about game that's fair at me like I mean I think we're only playing portal 2 so [TS]

  it wasn't really stressing that much but it was like a seven year old game yet [TS]

  but when when playing portal to it it offended spin up to what I would [TS]

  consider medium speed and it sustained at that level and it was never really a [TS]

  problem was never have not just loud it was audible but it would not have not [TS]

  just allowed nor did it ever over here seems to like to throw itself in any [TS]

  noticeable way I don't know if you notice that in the game like that [TS]

  because that the portal 2 for lunch like you just don't think it's a problem but [TS]

  I plan one time on that little tube I wanted to be quite like the little tube [TS]

  I wanted to be powerful but it's fun it's not cost a billion dollars and I [TS]

  could give up one of the GPUs probably that's the problem that I don't think [TS]

  they will ever shipped machine lOL Anyway I'm just waiting patiently to see [TS]

  to see what I can say I mean who knows like maybe the next five and Mac they [TS]

  resolve some of the they put a different GPU in their pick a different vendor [TS]

  like they're eating you know you mean time as the is is really extended life [TS]

  in this computer it feels much happier than he used to [TS]

  i'm ok for something breaks the next one the next one is about talked about the [TS]

  keyboard to having a symmetrical rectangular outline [TS]

  Jony ive doesn't want to bump out the keys to bump out the the deadline for [TS]

  the arrow keys to have an inverted T with all sides keys in there we have [TS]

  follow up on this [TS]

  yeah you know I talked about in the shower innocent but look at the keyboard [TS]

  you notice something on there that that [TS]

  that is a step in the right direction for johnnie I've accepting asymmetry and [TS]

  knowledge there's always a symmetrical stuff on keyboards but in this model in [TS]

  particular because the trackpad is jammed right up against the space bar [TS]

  and because the left edge of the space bar is aligned with the left edge of the [TS]

  trackpad really emphasize the fact the track that the space bar is not center [TS]

  on this keyboard then I had to deal with you know we can have people telling me [TS]

  to space bars never centered on [TS]

  yes I know it's never centered but because there's always like a buffer [TS]

  there had been a buffer between the trackpad and the spacebar it wasn't just [TS]

  in your face so much but on this particular model because they're just [TS]

  touch right up against each other and because the left edges are aligned [TS]

  really emphasizes the fact that the right address not aligned and someone [TS]

  tweeted emmy who is this [TS]

  sheen bonham tweeted how hard you think it was to talk johnnie I have added this [TS]

  and he shows a picture of the team opted out a new MacBook with a perfectly [TS]

  aligns space bar that is exactly the with the trackpad how did he do this by [TS]

  making half size left and right arrow keys he got half size up and down arrow [TS]

  keys and then flanking at half size left and right arrow keys and it does [TS]

  surprisingly fit and it's hideous and I would hate it and I have johnnie I've [TS]

  never seen that biggest gonna give him ideas why do you think this is so bad I [TS]

  think it's good I hate to try and I use that the inverted tiara keys with three [TS]

  fingers middle finger is uptown point of his left ring finger is right [TS]

  sure I want full size keys for those things that go on I hate having up and [TS]

  down the that the half-size keys because I find myself accidentally hitting 11 of [TS]

  the other or like trying to grow brown to find the right key making the you [TS]

  left to right also have signs is just squishing my three fingers together [TS]

  until all three of them feel like they're trying to press the same key cap [TS]

  on different the oppressed the lower left corner of the capital right no [TS]

  full-size keys and again on a laptop like this I under kind of understand you [TS]

  know whatever I'm just talking about the 15 inch back when they had a 17 inch the [TS]

  fact that they had a little tiny keyboard and there was ridiculous [TS]

  anyway I would not like to use arrow keys I don't keyboards at all but boy [TS]

  looks PC is this man look how beautiful the spacebar exactly the same with the [TS]

  trackpad you'll even buy laptops I know just like I don't think Johnny I'm used [TS]

  laptops I think he just likes to look perfect rectangular outline for those I [TS]

  think it going back for anything expresses the weirdness of johnnie I [TS]

  think its the the addition watch with the white sport band and it doesn't it's [TS]

  how he dresses looks like that watch when he dresses up as a light-colored [TS]

  pants and just I just think of like a family with the white leather interior I [TS]

  don't know that the kind of Bentley has any way now accounting for taste it [TS]

  tell us about marques Brownlee in his prediction by this out we talked about [TS]

  mkay Bhd before that's his Twitter handle marques Brownlee really very [TS]

  popular YouTube person that we don't know about because we are all day [TS]

  including that makes me feel so bad that the one time when he had the the the [TS]

  supposedly safire cover glass and mirror like this kind YouTube and we'd none of [TS]

  us knew he was meanwhile he's like freakin massive in in the YouTube like [TS]

  he was invited to the Apple event he was like he has an audience bigger than [TS]

  pretty much everybody we know in this space combined [TS]

  he is the biggest guy integ and none of us know who you is because your kids are [TS]

  old enough once that once you could get old enough you will very quickly come to [TS]

  accept that you don't know anybody you know you're there you just don't know [TS]

  yet when you can start telling you that you don't know anybody is our start [TS]

  talking about famous people and you recognize any of the names that's when [TS]

  it really comes home so you get you both get there but like usually like it's [TS]

  okay for me to not know somebody who is a really big deal like in music or TV or [TS]

  something I do not know someone who's really big deal in my own industry [TS]

  that's right i mean for me was you know stuff about gaming right cause I i [TS]

  subscribe to gay magazines I read gaming news sites like that but I do not watch [TS]

  a lot of gay [TS]

  YouTube channels and they are humongous and I don't know any of those people are [TS]

  and I'm fine with it by the way but i mean i watch some of his videos he does [TS]

  a great job I I would have eaten that if I was a kid and this is just a challenge [TS]

  just I would have been over the moon because I was trying to do it legally [TS]

  get copies of Mac week that's what I was doing these guys get HDV video guy [TS]

  standing potential iPhone thing with anyway he he is getting bowled you know [TS]

  these these these these youths their their brash predictions put a link to [TS]

  this in the shadows that three minutes and 14 seconds in this video here is a [TS]

  quote from marques Brownlee I can pretty much guarantee the second generation of [TS]

  this thin and light new MacBook will have more than one USB port quote me [TS]

  well I called him that's exactly what he said he is is he says pretty much [TS]

  guarantee the pretty much hedges a little bit but then he says quote me [TS]

  alright we'll quote you you can pretty much guarantee that the next one's gonna [TS]

  have to I hope it does as has been stated at length I really hope it does [TS]

  but is it interesting to see a popular person I think he thinks is going to be [TS]

  another one assuming has no inside info which I have no way of knowing but if he [TS]

  doesn't have any inside info he's just saying you know he saying what we're all [TS]

  thinking it's like the second one will obviously have a second part like it's [TS]

  it's crazy 2011 part right down and write like c'mon you know that could be [TS]

  what he's thinking that could show you the wisdom of knowing his history about [TS]

  the original MacBook Air had one and eventually came out with two or not [TS]

  knowing exactly how stubborn Apple can be I think we'll get to Apple [TS]

  stubbornness little bit later in a somewhat related topic but i just want [TS]

  to put that out there so that we can all hold him to his prediction yes all of us [TS]

  who are approximately twenty five times less than his own audience much less [TS]

  than we're all people and he won't even know that we're talking about him [TS]

  that's fine but amongst ourselves in a knitting circle in our book club in our [TS]

  little technology we will talk amongst ourselves about these youngsters Danny I [TS]

  i think im never gonna talk about the sport but I i would i would bet he's [TS]

  wrong about this I I would bet that this doesn't pan out that way that you make [TS]

  it should have said that because you're always wrong about everything you need [TS]

  to go through every time you predictions on your blog I keep in mind my track [TS]

  record of predicting happening this terrible and that's the one thing you [TS]

  write about your track is not good and so now that you said that now I'm [TS]

  downing now my comp dammit I agree with you and I think I must be wrong with [TS]

  Mark about a big night before we take the city let's go ahead and thank you to [TS]

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  my god this is gonna be a follow-up is told you there's we we gotta put a time [TS]

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  go into the black hole john why don't you tell us about the ports again this [TS]

  is from Dave W he he's getting down to the the sort of philosophical reasoning [TS]

  for why there's no 11 points that have to why is there 1.72 so and so forth [TS]

  that's far I have still not seen any credible practical support for the idea [TS]

  that there is one instead of two just lots of plausible theories when you know [TS]

  lots of people like what if Bubba Bubba blah [TS]

  yeah sure I can play what if all day but if you don't sit there with the what it [TS]

  isn't true [TS]

  like then we don't know so that even noticed there is a bunch of potentially [TS]

  plausible reasons like going over them before PCI Express Lanes power concerns [TS]

  all but you gotta quantify them you gotta you gotta know that they're [TS]

  actually true that you're just not saying this is theory this could be true [TS]

  and you have to quantify them because if you want to buy them then you can say oh [TS]

  well it does take more power but it would take point 000001 more watts of [TS]

  power then I don't care that it's not a good reason right but it would take a [TS]

  double the power than I do care you have to quantify anyway [TS]

  this reason gets more philosophical Dave W says I think I can think of two [TS]

  reasons neither IB about making this MacBook Air kind about the same reason [TS]

  that are giving the 21 Apple can use customer reaction as a signal on whether [TS]

  it's a reduced the number of ports on the rest of their laptops this is sort [TS]

  of like let's try with one and see what the reaction is it's it's a travel known [TS]

  as it goes over like a lead balloon then Marcus brown we will be right and the [TS]

  next we'll have two parts and you know lesson learned right and number two [TS]

  related those who just first having only one part of effectively carve a path [TS]

  that makes it easier for the rest of us to follow a lot of things about their [TS]

  carbon the path it's like you get used to it you get acclimated to it on a [TS]

  small thing of the industry of adapters and everything can be built up around [TS]

  that's not it safer to go the other models that the idea that the transition [TS]

  point to try to go to you know 0.01% everywhere all of this sort of accept as [TS]

  a premise that one part is the way to go and then just explains how Apple would [TS]

  be using us as a strategy to get to one part I don't think it answers the [TS]

  essential question from a consumer's perspective of like what am I getting [TS]

  with one that it wouldn't be getting with 20 that is still an open question [TS]

  will re-emphasize that does not mean I think there is not an answer I think [TS]

  they're very well could be an answer but the answer would have to be something in [TS]

  the form of here is a technical reason whatever this couldn't be done not just [TS]

  there could be a technical reason like this [TS]

  yeah there could be but with your not you know I mean I'm not it's not [TS]

  interesting to media people speculate about how much power they think it would [TS]

  have taken a second part if they have no idea how much power would avenge take a [TS]

  second port if any so we may never know we will have to wait till the next [TS]

  version this thing comes out of it still has one port it shows that it didn't [TS]

  matter enough to care that it only had one [TS]

  and related to that have a whole section about this now in their homes go sorry [TS]

  guys [TS]

  yeah yeah related to the idea I'll see you next week yeah it really the case [TS]

  design dictates this they really want to have this case case it came up with this [TS]

  fittingly based on his name that they've had a really wanted to have this case [TS]

  you ever had that that particular fund based on your name in your life what [TS]

  case alice about about a computer case know there's a first time for everything [TS]

  about people who have names and get teased about them as low as first time I [TS]

  heard that one well you know you've got their thirty-something years of life and [TS]

  no one has ever compared your first name to computer case until now that's true [TS]

  but I say every single times but it's Marco Polo yeah I said Marco has heard [TS]

  that one before I think of some novel way to to compare market maybe something [TS]

  but but not today Dan Casey thing was they just wanted this they just wanted [TS]

  this case and I was then I started considering the notion is that the way [TS]

  that anyone would design anything but you just come up with the case in USA ok [TS]

  now you just whatever you can fit inside that go go for it [TS]

  got a lot of armchair speculation about that from [TS]

  listeners and from us on the show saying I was saying that regardless of whether [TS]

  this is how apple designs things it's a bad way to design things cause this make [TS]

  any sense to me and realistically speaking it's an impossible way to [TS]

  design things because you know why isn't the MacBook as thin as a piece of paper [TS]

  well that's the case I want to have their practical considerations that the [TS]

  people died in that case no they know it can't be as thin as a piece of paper [TS]

  because they know at minimum the sum certain thickness for the CPU you can't [TS]

  make the CPU thickness of a sheet of paper right now they know that you know [TS]

  they're not engineered but they know everyone knows like okay there's going [TS]

  to be CPU in this Dec do you can't be that there was a piece of paper so I'm [TS]

  not going to say this is the case you get like the cases oh he's defined by [TS]

  what's inside it because the people designing know the limitations roughly [TS]

  of the stuff that's inside but you can say yeah within the bounds that they [TS]

  just a sign that the outside and the inside comes after well I don't think we [TS]

  need to speculate about what actually goes on inside Apple because johnnie I [TS]

  have in a video interview with Vanity Fair at six minutes 38 seconds is asked [TS]

  a question i guess i dnt rasa when you started off you are designed the outside [TS]

  the machines almost exclusively and again I would encourage people to read [TS]

  that johnnie a book that will put a link to a show notes that it goes over his [TS]

  history and the company and how kind of he would back in the bad old days he was [TS]

  kinda get it completed machine and he was asked to sort of put a nice looking [TS]

  thing around the box right and that's not the way you like to work so join the [TS]

  answer is yes that in the bad old days as well as I was going guess but I think [TS]

  if you're going to do a good job you can't just imposing outside on something [TS]

  you know you have to have a better idea and that always meant that you're [TS]

  involved in designing the layout and the internal architecture with the [TS]

  engineer's it's one of the things I really loved really loved doing a lot so [TS]

  there is some horses mouth is not just a sign outside sign outside of inside [TS]

  together because that's a better way to design things that's what he loves doing [TS]

  period end of story [TS]

  every day with the follow up yet [TS]

  oh no we have a humongous section on naysayer notions so this is looks big [TS]

  you should go because this is you should open up all these links in Tampa I think [TS]

  will breeze through this because it's really just a lot of screens now picking [TS]

  up a lot of any links just open a new window and just put all the tabs lined [TS]

  up and I'm at my window limit 30 these are all the various various naysayers [TS]

  about the idea that we're gonna call like the MacBook fatalism are sort of [TS]

  like hardware designed fatalism that the way it is the way things are as the only [TS]

  way they could ever have been because that is the way they are like as a [TS]

  technological fatalistic notion that Apple has done something there for the [TS]

  only way Apple could have done something is available to something that's the way [TS]

  it goes around and around in circles snaking down people love it they just [TS]

  cannot resist the notion that did absolutely positively impassable to to [TS]

  make this machine the two USB seaports without some massive compromise that [TS]

  would destroy the machine either spiritually physically or both [TS]

  right one idea was related to the taper that if you made a mark means of the [TS]

  show if you made this she neither one tapered or less tapered that there would [TS]

  not be distinguishable from 13 inch MacBook Pro even though I directly [TS]

  address that in the past show investigate my opinion on a people act [TS]

  like they didn't hear me or at least acting like they disagree I actually [TS]

  think someone a mock-up like the side view of the thing and saying I just a [TS]

  straight line where there was a tailor and and I call it a card in the trial go [TS]

  and it was like put computer here like this this black triangle but I have [TS]

  drawn that's the place that does not currently have computer but computer [TS]

  there and I think that machine if you put it next to a side view of the 13 [TS]

  inch MacBook Pro it is still clearly distinguishable even if you tire limited [TS]

  to 200 I mean I don't think I wouldn't say it was it would have to be exactly [TS]

  the same but the difference be a lot smaller it would still be noticeably [TS]

  smaller and smaller screen and you could just tapered less like what I was [TS]

  getting at is like even if you just paper [TS]

  unless you see the battery savings are tremendous because there is so little [TS]

  battery in there that even just a couple of degrees of a fraction of a degree of [TS]

  fun tapering gives you potentially a large percentage more battery than that [TS]

  would push it over the magical to pound mark to even if it was only a little bit [TS]

  even it was 2.1 pounds you know that that's still a magical about to pounce [TS]

  2.01 pounds 2.02 2.03 to quantify how much more does it weigh could a person [TS]

  given these two things [TS]

  be able to tell the difference in weight blindfolded between 2.0 12 and two point [TS]

  you know like it's nice for marketing materials that is exactly too on the [TS]

  nose who knows if it even is it's like a displacement engines you know it's close [TS]

  enough I don't even know if it is exactly two pounds on the nose it's but [TS]

  again you have to quantify because people are willing to say like if you [TS]

  make this thing one gram heavier the whole machine is room if you can make it [TS]

  one millimeter larger than any dimension that's it it's just it's Johnny I will [TS]

  cry because he wanted to that particular case and now you've ruined it because it [TS]

  is perfect and if you make the best thing about it is like an all-powerful [TS]

  near universal thing we have a million different universes where they make a [TS]

  million different decisions and you actually do introduced this machine with [TS]

  variations of fractions of a pound fractions of a millimeter everyone in [TS]

  this universal be like this is the only way I could have possibly been and if I [TS]

  saw a machine that was different in any dimension in any way to measure by a [TS]

  tiny amount I would know that it is different when you wouldn't you just [TS]

  accept whatever machine they put out you say that's the machine and anyway I get [TS]

  frustrated so yeah so a lot of people here are the people who are quote [TS]

  unquote on my side kept coming in with these examples of existing PC machines [TS]

  that supposedly demonstrate everything that I'm frustrated about and hoping to [TS]

  start with this is on the verge about the Asus Zenbook so beautifully named [TS]

  capital you cadillacs 305 great threatening areas [TS]

  announced asses [TS]

  maybe that is thinner than the new MacBook endeavor and across multiple [TS]

  parts as everything else that's what it says in St card reader headphone jack [TS]

  three USB ports not type see full-size three full-sized USB ports micro HDMI [TS]

  and it's thinner than this new one but I gotta say that shows Apple could have [TS]

  made it smaller but those people weren't paying attention to the specs because [TS]

  this machine is an inch wider and deeper and a half a pound heavier and those are [TS]

  quantifiable inches not couple in their own leaders and into identity better how [TS]

  to talk about these dimensions when I said that people think it's like an inch [TS]

  thick I guess you know right it is in his dinner when you lay it down then the [TS]

  MacBook but does not figure in the other dimensions and half a pound heavier and [TS]

  I think half a pound you could probably tell that it's not just like to point [TS]

  out where to 2.1 pounds right it's also by the way half the price of the MacBook [TS]

  so always showing is it another machine was made with different tradeoffs if the [TS]

  new MacBook was the same dimensions and weight is this in the mirror universe I [TS]

  think people would be fine with it but now you can see them side by side [TS]

  clearly the Apple is giving you a tradeoff that I think people would find [TS]

  more attractive for double the price I guess then there's the Lenovo yoga yoga [TS]

  pro 3 I guess it's better doesn't have a bunch alphanumeric the name but yoga you [TS]

  name your computer yoga and I don't like that like that the one that had the [TS]

  misleading ad right yeah so we put a link that shows first of all there there [TS]

  they are touting the fact that they're thinner and they put they put the [TS]

  computer the side view of the computers next to each other and just use [TS]

  different scales like wildly different scales yeah like they are a few [TS]

  millimeters thin air but again because humans can't perceive a few millimeters [TS]

  like if you if you drew accurate picture of people do like those look like the [TS]

  same thickness because nobody can tell a few millimeters off except of course the [TS]

  people who think the entire MacBook will be ruined if it was a few millimeters [TS]

  different any dimension anyway yeah they totally cheated on the ad but it is then [TS]

  a slightly it's bigger than the other two dimensions as full-size USB it [TS]

  happen have your blogweblog noticing a trend here right [TS]

  and so all this goes to say that all the people finding other machines that seems [TS]

  to be better than a Macbook and all things they're just shifting around the [TS]

  internal components just doesn't say anything one way or the other about [TS]

  whether Apple could have within the same case over the new cases imperceptibly [TS]

  different done two years I remain convinced that Apple could have put two [TS]

  USB ports on this without a perceptible loss of anything to anybody but these [TS]

  computers are don't say anything perk on to that argument think a very [TS]

  interesting though to see what other people are doing with similar chipsets [TS]

  both in terms of price battery life and the other type of limitations the most [TS]

  fun one is what is this one who said the same someone named ken sent in the [TS]

  Microsoft Windows 8.1 PC the size of a dongle so it's something about the show [TS]

  little lipstick and an actor it's about the size of like one of the streaming [TS]

  sex right and it has more points than the necro it's about the size of [TS]

  lipstick and went to heaven it looks like it has full-size USB micro HDMI [TS]

  microSD port HDMI and USB yeah that is probably the most embarrassing but again [TS]

  that's not a full-fledged computer doesn't have a keyboard blah blah blah [TS]

  blah blah it's just funny the outer limit that we talked about be a grandma [TS]

  think briefly yeah yeah but you can't get about sixteen that I'm actually more [TS]

  willing to sew RAM chips DiCaprio you can't put more RAM on there like you [TS]

  can't see all the strength the other RAM I mean I'm assuming they're they're [TS]

  fapping the ramp at the same size as everybody else like it would not be [TS]

  economical to try to press the process I usually RAM is it one of the best [TS]

  process is really to make it is very regular so you would need more space for [TS]

  the rain also battered yeah and a little bit of battery power like I think we're [TS]

  all well aware of the tradeoffs of more remote portable devices which is you [TS]

  know where I can play about with iOS devices because the tricky bit here is [TS]

  like we're not saying that they should all have 16 nearly sixteen should be an [TS]

  option somewhere [TS]

  and historically one that started soldering the ramp to the board's has [TS]

  not been good about giving out has it ever given a BTU option for for a laptop [TS]

  with Ram side to the board yeah the whole 1516 now and that's it when I [TS]

  bought mine that the first gen it was an option I I got eight I got the base [TS]

  model but sixteen was was available for errands Metro care that I'm talking to [TS]

  you on right now the only thing that made it up each year was that I made it [TS]

  have eight gigs of ram instead for yes it's always nice to have that other one [TS]

  and in practice like even though only nerds know that like Omar and needs more [TS]

  power and everything like that a lot of people are going to take that tradeoff [TS]

  and B if you ask anybody to measure that trade office actually probably pretty [TS]

  hard to measure like you would have to come up with some sort of you know I [TS]

  don't like measuring energy uses of pain but I know from my extensive attempts to [TS]

  try to test the Mavericks battery usage there's just so many variables like what [TS]

  what is representative usage for you how can you prove that the aid versus 16 how [TS]

  could you show measurable difference or is it just like it within the margin of [TS]

  error in the testing thing I could you notice that in real life but regardless [TS]

  it's nice to have choices but it's better for Apple to have once you are [TS]

  the things that they made it colors but anyway the top one board have one board [TS]

  inside all these machines it's a nice simplification is a little bit you know [TS]

  we're talking about the limitations machine the rambling that is the one you [TS]

  can get can't get around is easily if you really pressed you can attach [TS]

  external storage and proceed you stuff you just wait longer but ran this [TS]

  justice unfixable like it's fine for most people but if you know you need [TS]

  more RAM than you'd really like to use its machine and you'd be willing to say [TS]

  charge more money you borrow my battery it's more important for me to have 16 [TS]

  gigs around so I can do task acts on the road with a super laid back but this is [TS]

  not the product for you I think it's not the worst RAM choice they've made I [TS]

  think putting keeping one gig in the iOS devices for so long was more painful [TS]

  penis just for people to party tattooed going away every time you switch to [TS]

  another appt [TS]

  Birmingham MI rap star machine burn me playing alto which by the way is a great [TS]

  game which i think is shown because I would leave the game of the game paused [TS]

  and then like I don't know if I would just close the lid and then it would [TS]

  open back up again in the game is gone I sometimes I forget that like if I switch [TS]

  away for a second to read Twitter Altos out of memory and in the middle of a run [TS]

  I'm screwed now so I think the iOS devices have been more RAM started the [TS]

  match that lady maxi became better in particular when they went to 16 across [TS]

  the board of proline was like thank God to reflect the fact that it's a pro so I [TS]

  think a gig is the right choice for the bottom of the line here is just a shame [TS]

  that doesn't go well for whatever it's worth it you know to be fair to this [TS]

  computer I just verified all the MacBook Airs currently ship with for stock and [TS]

  and max out at eight let you can you can be to you all them they max out at eight [TS]

  so this thing as a replacement to the MacBook Air to come stock with eight is [TS]

  pretty good first of all it's not very forward-looking I got an old machines [TS]

  like at the end of its life it's like when the last model year of a car before [TS]

  Augusta generational tradition like III give the MacBook Air is a pass because [TS]

  they were the older machine this is the new I should be built for the future but [TS]

  they were just updated though you know they all just gotta just got a minor [TS]

  update so anyway so you know as the sting basically sitting pretty close to [TS]

  the bottom of the lineup I don't think it's that unreasonable for it to have [TS]

  eight gigs of ram stop exams stock at this price i think is good and and and [TS]

  and matching added it just matches up to the other MacBook Airs and and so I [TS]

  think I think the goal here was probably to minimize skews and and board space [TS]

  and so I'm sure they'll switch to 16 gigs once whatever you know mainstream [TS]

  RAM process you know basically once the DRAM chips double in size that they're [TS]

  using [TS]

  once once that becomes reasonably available for a good price and that's [TS]

  when they'll do it I wouldn't be too concerned about that and I think you [TS]

  know seeing if the lineup I actually very pleasantly surprised that they all [TS]

  come with a with a minimum of eight gigs I think that's great what is the big to [TS]

  Mac Pro come with some ridiculous [TS]

  and I'm like 12 or something 12 yeah you're right that is weird it was three [TS]

  days earlier but this this is far more people would find a practical use for a [TS]

  second USB port then care about having more grams is just something like it you [TS]

  know the other compromise sheen's all dismissed an errand goes up to 16 and [TS]

  all that other business whatever yeah I mean I you know again on this machine oh [TS]

  you know we're looking at it as a geek's because we all we all want this to be [TS]

  good for us because it's new and shiny and really impressive in a few physical [TS]

  ways so we are we're looking at this like getting mad at it almost like [TS]

  getting mad at the Apple audition for not meet be made for us and not being [TS]

  price for us you know we're looking at this Mexican saying men why do they only [TS]

  have one port are big rigs why is there only eight gigs of ram here but the fact [TS]

  is it's a low spec laptop made for other priorities and it's really tiny like I [TS]

  can't think of anything I would do on this machine that would need more than a [TS]

  king's of RAM because I'm doing stuff like that I need more screen space by a [TS]

  lot not by a little I need a lot more screens but some people get by with that [TS]

  much sleep as I we all have things like that the party is the most annoying one [TS]

  to me because I don't see the reasoning behind the 816 like the economics and [TS]

  the power draw and the placement of this machine is low and machine but like I [TS]

  don't think like a second USB port to the high-end feature and you know I can [TS]

  just that's the one that i think is the most the most needlessly no sort of [TS]

  arbitrary as far as we know like this no there's no good reason to support is [TS]

  just what they want to do whereas they get here and we can all think of much [TS]

  you know lots of good reasons for the screen size like that may know you [TS]

  because you have trouble working as well but you see why the screen is small [TS]

  because that's how big the laptop it like that there's a direct correlation [TS]

  there so this is low on my list is just a thought it was worth worth discussing [TS]

  in the context of Apple's history of [TS]

  of RAM limits and bring up the four gigs on the air is great because that's that [TS]

  shows how far they've come to this thing and come up with for we'd be screaming [TS]

  about it way more than the port situation I think our founders bunch of [TS]

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  sponsor still in follow-up yeah MagSafe and USBC and trip ability we talked [TS]

  about this before the machine came up not so much afterwards and luckily we [TS]

  don't have to do the hard work because I think in Macworld [TS]

  tried to figure out again in the grand tradition of all of us commenting on [TS]

  things we've never seen or touched and try to figure out how this new MacBook [TS]

  will behave if you trip over the court versus out mags behaves with all sorts [TS]

  of perhaps questionable physics he did involved I could rang in this discussion [TS]

  but it predictably Dr drang had complaints about how the information was [TS]

  conveyed after the fact that they will put a link in the show notes he tried to [TS]

  use coefficient of friction and physics and forces to figure out what will [TS]

  happen when you trip over the course of your USBC connected new MacBook I don't [TS]

  know what will happen when we first discuss this I was totally willing to [TS]

  believe that because the connector is so tiny it might have similar performance [TS]

  characteristics to MagSafe depending on the angle that thing is pulled in the [TS]

  apparently the thing that matters the most is how quickly the forces applied [TS]

  not so much the direction [TS]

  anyway read the story we'll all find out once we get these things and our kids [TS]

  and significant others start start tripping over them [TS]

  yeah I mean the problem is you know if you look at at both land and dr. drinks [TS]

  analyses of this you know they they they have to make some estimations here and [TS]

  there and and you know some ball parks here and there can be used on have [TS]

  certain information but it basically looks like there's a very very good [TS]

  chance of it being able to pull off a table with with enough force speed of [TS]

  tripping over that cable with so much leeway that you know it's pretty clear [TS]

  that even if their assumptions are not that accurate [TS]

  there's so much leeway in the number that like yeah pretty much like you [TS]

  don't want to have this thing plugged in the cable shipped across something [TS]

  people gonna be walking again if this is this is yet another thing if the if [TS]

  that's important to you this machine is not right for you or you need to get an [TS]

  extension cord go away entirely and Apple could just today and I was saying [TS]

  they didn't make a big deal out of this by saying we thought makes it was a good [TS]

  idea but it turns out it's not a big deal they just didn't mention it and if [TS]

  this turns out not to be a problem I can see them ditching MagSafe and other [TS]

  machines to just because they're gonna get there too and that's a pretty big [TS]

  and makes a tu is worse than Mexico on partially we assume because it got [TS]

  smaller and didn't you know me like it didn't quite work as well as people [TS]

  complain about MagSafe not being stuck not staying connected enough like [TS]

  they've they use it on their couch and a switch to make say to honor those coming [TS]

  disconnected and it was annoying them like it seems like the problem is in the [TS]

  other direction so now me this is solution for those people to say well [TS]

  you were an iMac safe to constantly coming disconnected when you didn't want [TS]

  to know is tripping over it will solve that problem for you and I think it [TS]

  interesting thing about their analysis was they were taking force numbers from [TS]

  the USB spec because the USB specs how much but the min and max forces for [TS]

  plugging and unplugging is a pretty wide range there but it's interesting that [TS]

  you know they could get as far as they could with the analysis without actually [TS]

  having machines to trip over [TS]

  and Peter wage net or wagon at or something like that [TS]

  tweeted that no MagSafe on the new MacBook smith apple doesn't expect to [TS]

  use it use it plugged in [TS]

  no one complains about no MagSafe on the iPad this is the idea that with this [TS]

  all-day battery life and so on and so forth you don't use it plugged in your [TS]

  point you're using it it's not plugged in and like your iPad when your or your [TS]

  phone when you're not using it you plug it in [TS]

  unfortunately I have seen a lot of people including my children much to my [TS]

  chagrin use iOS devices while plugged in this is a no-no in terms of cable life [TS]

  although I still maintain my unbroken record of never having destroyed by [TS]

  lightning cable or never having a hyperplane this week or last week I lost [TS]

  my first one was so upset he lost it doesn't damage to the point that doesn't [TS]

  work [TS]

  yeah I mean it to be a was the 1 I'm using an elevation dock so it has like [TS]

  this bracket that turns on a right angle so I'm not surprised at that one but I'm [TS]

  still annoyed yeah so but I i do see people have you seen this have you done [TS]

  to yourself using iOS device while plugged in and I do my my my kids iPad [TS]

  which is also the first iOS device ever had that has a cracked screen that is [TS]

  frequently being used while plugged in because you know a lot of times kids [TS]

  especially when they're not even three don't remember to put their iPads in all [TS]

  the time when they need to so sometimes it is desired to be used at a time when [TS]

  it's not fully charged my son has Marcos his range anxiety for the sea he watches [TS]

  YouTube videos I used to play minecraft I've been watching YouTube videos and [TS]

  he's never really in danger of running out of battery Yunnan this you know [TS]

  tonight original iPad 2 but if if the battery looks a little bit low it just [TS]

  makes them feel safer to just use it plugged in all the time or just terrible [TS]

  but in the quarter moving around and I'm like you're at a hundred percent you've [TS]

  been in a hundred percent for 20 minutes [TS]

  unplug the thing you can go to another place you want to be sitting next to the [TS]

  court anyway the idea that the new MacBook that's the model they're going [TS]

  with there is like you don't use it when it's plugged in and then certainly call [TS]

  about reply to that same thread she says well if the MacBook had 12 to 15 hours [TS]

  of battery maybe but nine is right on the edge for me so you know can you use [TS]

  it like an iPad iPad as a comfortable 10 and I think people are less likely to [TS]

  just sit in front of an iPad for an entire working day and do not go except [TS]

  that I guess anyway we'll see if if that is the case and if they can stretch out [TS]

  the battery to the point where people stop feeling like they need to have it [TS]

  plugged in while they're using it I just use it and it's not plugged in and then [TS]

  close it up put it someplace else plug it in when you're not using it [TS]

  that could make the MagSafe issue mood is well yeah but that's you know I [TS]

  totally agree with that like you know all these new Apple laptop so you can [TS]

  tell Jason still had that post a couple months back that Apple was like solving [TS]

  for certain battery life with the iPads and iPhones and you could see like [TS]

  special the iPad like it's very clear that Apple takes whatever gains they get [TS]

  with advancements in battery technology or more efficient components and he [TS]

  gains I get that battery life that could be used to make something with much [TS]

  longer battery life they usually apply instead to keep the same battery life [TS]

  but with less physical battery and then you can eat the whole thing thinner and [TS]

  lighter [TS]

  tribute that Jason Snell better right we talked about it like a year ago [TS]

  well yeah but he said he had a hit he had pretty graphs come on I know you've [TS]

  just because he wrote it down he should be your own idea that Jason because he [TS]

  wrote about it not that i'm saying is right we agree with them but I think it [TS]

  was you or us we talked about the second year before he wrote the book because he [TS]

  wrote down in a blog post our podcast schedulers don't count and now this is [TS]

  Jason I'm sure if if we set a year ago I'm sure we were the first people to say [TS]

  that even though but of all the people contribute to yourself you doesn't [TS]

  matter he said it but you know i i think if you look like this is this is one of [TS]

  those areas where like I think they have calculated that a little bit wrong [TS]

  I like I would love to have 25% more battery life cross the line 30% 40% [TS]

  something like six plus Canada's that but I think it does that almost [TS]

  accidentally in the laptops they're all within the same pretty narrow range like [TS]

  with with or or lower like 11 exception lower but they're all within this like [TS]

  you know nine to 11 our range that's all pretty close and and the problem is [TS]

  those numbers are wildly variable based on what you're doing with it if you're [TS]

  doing something that that stresses the CPU more than average that number could [TS]

  drop by half [TS]

  you know there isn't there isn't necessarily enough leeway for a lot of [TS]

  people in these numbers to be running untethered two things all day and and if [TS]

  I would if that was how your intended to use this laptop all the time [TS]

  personally I would want a longer battery life on it I would want to know more [TS]

  like 15 hours and your Marco that you have just recently done the things that [TS]

  I've seen done many other places which is somehow arrange to have a Apple power [TS]

  connector snaking out of the cushions near couch yes I know why would you do [TS]

  that because you find yourself using Apple devices and you have you know [TS]

  range anxiety as well you just feel more comfortable being able to plug them in [TS]

  Avenue lap and to plug them into your cash into it and really that's that's [TS]

  the kind of usage rate hikes that comes in handy because in the office if you [TS]

  are sitting at their desk with laptop plugged in the cord you know down behind [TS]

  like they're not in a triple occasion but in people's houses when the using [TS]

  them on their couches that's when things get tripped over and suck why you having [TS]

  applied to me using your couch well if you like I just always keeping next to [TS]

  the couch and it's panto plugging and unplugging and sometimes I'm near the [TS]

  end of the battery but I don't stop what I'm doing whether it's watching a movie [TS]

  or playing a game or even just web browsing so I just it's nice to have on [TS]

  your lap and have it plugged in right and so then you eventually you end up [TS]

  sneaking little power cord up between the cushions you caption it it's it's [TS]

  convenient right and I think it's going to be very difficult you gonna have to [TS]

  have a healthy better to stop people from doing that and nine hours is [TS]

  comfortably below that limit where i thinkI feeli have to get to go to like [TS]

  24 hours or something and even then the problem is that people don't pay [TS]

  attention [TS]

  like that forget to charge it overnight becoming the next morning they like well [TS]

  like I'm not gonna use my computer let me just plug in my yeah exactly where we [TS]

  definitely have one of those cords sneaked between our count if it's a good [TS]

  idea that it's it's a it's a thing now I've seen it over many years I resisted [TS]

  doing it mostly because I stacked iowa's devices on the couch and so far been [TS]

  able to keep that policy but if someone like we have our court is an Iowa scored [TS]

  its lightning cable yeah same here I say using iPads but then usually iPhones but [TS]

  sometimes I that same year iPhones here using the iPhone's plugged into iPhone [TS]

  like I said I have my battery life on my sexy me it's a new phone and I'm so far [TS]

  I have not ever had to use it like 10 occasionally my bed upstairs and a big [TS]

  out of session and I was getting a little nervous but I don't like using [TS]

  employee speaking applying things in one of the other this item in the naysayers [TS]

  section the idea to like what they had to USB seaports what are you gonna do [TS]

  have one that you can charge through money you can't that's confusing to [TS]

  people of two minds that some people said having one point the gun charge [TS]

  from when you can to keep using it's a non-starter know the people said you [TS]

  can't have two parts you can charge him because it's confusing I'm not sure what [TS]

  would be confusing to people wouldn't know which part they're like it works in [TS]

  both they don't have to know but somehow they be concerned that they were playing [TS]

  in their online and a lot of people said it's just impossible you can't have [TS]

  something that charges from both parts because it's impossible because whatever [TS]

  so the Chromebook pixel actually has two USB secrets and controlled from both of [TS]

  them so does not electrically impossible if you thought that was the case here is [TS]

  a product that shows that it's not I assume this machine is not immediately [TS]

  burst into flames if you plug into charger to both sides we had this [TS]

  amazing technology they can sense when things are plugged in we have the [TS]

  technology we can make something with 2 USB charging ports can you make with 46 [TS]

  I believe we can and we sent a man to the moon I believe we can make a [TS]

  computer but whether or not that is becomes more complicated to some degree [TS]

  that precludes that I don't [TS]

  anyway there is one that charges from too if you think charging the two is [TS]

  more confusing than charging him only one I don't I don't know I don't know [TS]

  what the right colors I think either one would probably be fine but if you're [TS]

  gonna have two identical docking ports and you're not going to make one clearly [TS]

  the charging port you just get make it charged either bored and I think we [TS]

  could do well I don't think we have time for anything else this weeks after all [TS]

  this time our items were gonna do it a go for it [TS]

  mirror display only I put a question mark is it in check that it that the [TS]

  case you can't do extended display can only hear that sound right I was [TS]

  thinking about a desk at work if i'm forced to get a laptop to replace my [TS]

  current Mac Pro at work I would actually choose to do it mirrored just so my [TS]

  windows would move every time I plugged and unplugged the only human [TS]

  because I only like one screen I would only ever look at like the main screen [TS]

  right and what I would do is get a 15 inch and send it to the max like they go [TS]

  resolution and just have it be the same on my 24 inch monitor any way you are [TS]

  insane sir I don't know if that's the case with a question mark [TS]

  FaceTime camera downgraded from 720p 24 ATP effort question mark after that but [TS]

  I think it's true right two things first of all the time follow up nobody [TS]

  underscore in the chatroom is quoting the MacBook specs page and it's right [TS]

  there in the specs page this does support display spanning and marring [TS]

  that's not a problem and then secondly who cares but the resolution of the [TS]

  front camera it this is one of those like megapixel race things where the [TS]

  resolution has never mattered 480 is pushing it don't you think [TS]

  know it's it goes from a crappy camera with more pixels to a crappy camera flex [TS]

  less pixels either way you're getting crappy images it's not made for quality [TS]

  it's made for like just barely being good enough to do FaceTime that salt for [TS]

  Casey needs to say is beautiful babies face NHD sure how do I for that matter [TS]

  everybody does but Marcus said it's probably true but the light gathering [TS]

  ability of those pixels I don't think it's a big deal I think I soon as kind [TS]

  of mostly therefore cost savings but I don't think I dunno 480 ethic is the [TS]

  type of thing I would notice for any vs 720 I think I would notice that but [TS]

  it's just kind of a ship but it's you know it's gonna be 720 and like every [TS]

  sure to like and I'm gonna pull marques Brownlee rinse a guaranteed 2030 vision [TS]

  so now that camera will not be 480 quote me know it's very possible I'm just [TS]

  saying it probably isn't that big of a deal [TS]

  just like the one year that it came to the 480 anyway not a big deal but [TS]

  something to keep in mind if you really care about these pictures will you just [TS]

  use your phone to get a higher definition camera to do face that stuff [TS]

  gonna skip the three finger drag thing thanks much for three sponsors this week [TS]

  yeah i guess i fracture igloo and Squarespace and we will see you next [TS]

  week [TS]

  now the show they didn't even need to be in accidental john Kasay [TS]

  it was accidental and a team article [TS]

  dude we've gotta put a time on yeah I like this is ridiculous like that so [TS]

  let's save it by talking contender but we this is a topic to write a mean like [TS]

  I think just because we talked about on the previous show which makes it on this [TS]

  show doesn't make it any less of a topic than it was last week you know I mean [TS]

  it's still the same subject and also by Marco for going to England and doing [TS]

  shows we've not had much follow up if we had recorded on Wednesday he would have [TS]

  had two days less and believe me it would have been pretty similar I know I [TS]

  think I think that's an insult it's an interesting machine with a lot of [TS]

  interesting compromises and it's worth talking about [TS]

  yeah I agree so now let's talk about something potentially uplifting and [TS]

  let's get our Nintendo chat out of the way real quick because it'll totally be [TS]

  quick [TS]

  a serious actually know what about the six plus you wanna talk about that will [TS]

  be a topic and will be quick so I went on this trip and I i brought with me 6+2 [TS]

  do the local SIM card thing because it's my 6 plusses unlocks about it for [TS]

  developer testing let me let me stop you there where did you get your local SIM [TS]

  never done this very intrigued by the whole process I had never done it either [TS]

  but I I was tipped off an advanced by our friend daniel Johns this was like [TS]

  really easily in England and varies by country some places it's easier than [TS]

  others but in england you can just good like there's a store in the airport like [TS]

  I walked out of the out of customs and while waiting for my ride there was a [TS]

  storm right there that's old seems so I walked in and he did it right there like [TS]

  I paid thirty pounds for a seat for a seminar on the carrier three and it [TS]

  supports 30 pounds got me thirty days of unlimited data some number of local UK [TS]

  minutes I'll never use and even tethering with all that and I asked I [TS]

  like I'm gonna Ireland in two weeks [TS]

  not every sim in england will work in Ireland three little ones that does and [TS]

  and ask how does it work there he said yeah but there's a limit on the [TS]

  tethering there in 10 25 gigs my god that's amazing [TS]

  oh ok so i dont worry that won't be a problem [TS]

  30 pounds got me all that and and somewhat some people were saying they [TS]

  had a very similar plan for fifteen pounds [TS]

  where else so that might have even been overpriced I would absolutely pay thirty [TS]

  pounds for that are you kidding me [TS]

  yes and that means like even after the exchange rate that is that is cheaper [TS]

  than what I paid per month for AT&T in my home plan comes with unlimited data [TS]

  mean it like that that's a better plan I have a home for less money so I did that [TS]

  I brought my phone that I popped it in right there and and even though I did [TS]

  bring my own removal tool which is a paper clip because i dont have the [TS]

  official one paper clips in england won with no top seats I didn't want to [TS]

  presume that they would have paper clips so I brought my own paper clip my [TS]

  carry-on bag so yes I brother six-plus as my unlocked phone and normally I [TS]

  guessed I just pay AT&T the 30 bucks for the 120 megs of data and just announced [TS]

  a free to use it ever for the whole trip so it ends up I pay 30 bucks to not have [TS]

  data for the whole trip or accidentally use it and you know launch Instagram [TS]

  once and then I've blown the captain of the 30 bucks every hundred megs its [TS]

  annoying so anyway this is the first report did this and it was great it was [TS]

  fantastic to just not have to think about it just you know I have a I have [TS]

  an iPhone like I always have an iPhone I can just use it whenever I want and its [TS]

  final fit within whatever limit there is just by my normal usage and i can [TS]

  download stuff I want to I can tell you if I want to [TS]

  is great so doesn't recommend doing this if if you have any unlocked phones I [TS]

  also in advance just in case I unlocked my old AT&T 5s which you can do [TS]

  aT&T has a thing you can do it online like five minutes you can still use the [TS]

  form online and send it to them to review and in like two minutes later [TS]

  they said they approve it and that's it [TS]

  so that was great and I spent the whole week using the six plus they do download [TS]

  season 5 I'm mad man you could have done that with 25 gigs would have been closed [TS]

  it was unlimited in the UK its unlimited for two weeks now wanna go back so it [TS]

  was great [TS]

  using it as as data was great and using the six plus I felt really really weird [TS]

  and huge for about the first half a day and then I just forgot about it and it [TS]

  just felt normal and you know there were times result large in my pocket here and [TS]

  there but for the most part like you know when I first got the six plus a [TS]

  first for my testing and everything that came out that was when we were coming [TS]

  from the 525 line of phones and so the six and the six plus both felt really [TS]

  big and I was barely able to really hold on to the six let alone the six plus [TS]

  which looked ridiculous but now having now use the six for so long [TS]

  going six-plus from the six was not a huge jump it didn't feel that ridiculous [TS]

  now I'm used to the sex and once when I was using the six bus for half a day it [TS]

  felt fine it felt good and then and I was able to enjoy it just really you [TS]

  know just enjoy the screen space as a as a travel device I mean as an everyday [TS]

  device I'm not sure if I would prefer that just because it is pretty big in [TS]

  the pocket but as a travel device I loved it because it has way better [TS]

  battery life mine happens to be unlocked so that helps a lot with international [TS]

  stuff and it's nice to like on this trip I didn't bring an iPad at all is a [TS]

  phablet you have a family to meet ya there was no reason to be mad and so I [TS]

  had this little phone and like hey you know this is this is how I cut down the [TS]

  weight of my laptop in my bag I stopped raining so now I have a 15 inch laptop [TS]

  and no I've had and I haven't character in the same size bags LV for their [TS]

  MacBook Airs in their ten different devices so I I think the six plus it's [TS]

  great i like so I came home yesterday and [TS]

  and switch back to my 640 on AT&T know and now the Sixfields tiny [TS]

  becoming noticeably small and ik I miss the screen space I might actually switch [TS]

  back at some point I'm not sure yet certain that switch back when I go to [TS]

  Ireland two weeks but I get the six plus now I i give it the chance now I i [TS]

  understand it I get it I get why people like it I like it I'm not sure if I like [TS]

  it enough to use a full time or to get another one next year I don't know about [TS]

  that but I get it now and I think all of us who were saying that it was [TS]

  completely ridiculous and could understand who would buy it I think you [TS]

  know give it a try sometime and and it's it's really I I totally get it now and [TS]

  and I might convert at some point we'll see how my grandkids find this episode [TS]

  so they can laugh at us all about the idea that like you have to decide on a [TS]

  certain set of differently sized pieces of glass to bring with you and I guess [TS]

  I've got the really small in which an iPhone and the iPad and a laptop to test [TS]

  the keyboard near shuffling around well-being make this a bigger than I can [TS]

  get rid of that piece of glass because that this now fills the gap and whenever [TS]

  I now have every image being displayed in the back of their retinas by 10 [TS]

  unanimous jeans or something in a bit like remembering the victims of the [TS]

  glass and pack them in there would be really it is it is a really good device [TS]

  at like totally eliminated any desire ahead for an iPad while I was there I [TS]

  mean I know I i I said when I bought this last iPad that I was experimenting [TS]

  cause I I had kind of fallen out of iPad usage and I was part of a thoughtless [TS]

  because I I had like all the worst hardware and so I got I got the best [TS]

  iPad and to see if that would fix my use again it hasn't so I don't think I'll be [TS]

  getting any more iPads for a long time now that I see the six plus I really do [TS]

  respect this device and you know it might be the phone for me because it has [TS]

  more space if you're not going to have an iPad [TS]

  it's a great balance between the two for screen space reasons and you can't beat [TS]

  the battery life and and with the with the Apple and I had the Apple leather [TS]

  case on it just like I have on the six and with the apple of her case grip is [TS]

  perfectly fine I had no issues with with like feeling I was gonna drop it at all [TS]

  one handedness was obviously not great in in my limited usage of it during this [TS]

  few days it didn't really come up it wasn't a problem once the watch comes [TS]

  out that'll be even less of a problem because there'll be less and less need [TS]

  to use it one-handed will see another side piece of glass like a continuum [TS]

  from like from the big piece of glass to the small towns like how many sizes [TS]

  in-between do I need can I eliminated device by having a really really tiny [TS]

  one and then a bigger gap in a big girl under like what is the right number of [TS]

  pieces of glass sizes from small to big and what you're describing Marco is the [TS]

  shuffling of the structure that internally and now all of a sudden it's [TS]

  gonna be a new a new tiny piece of glass coming in you like that maybe let me [TS]

  make my other piece of glass bigger because the small one more thing and [TS]

  it's all just about like how how big is the little light up picture that I'm [TS]

  seeing how many of those other pictures to have to carry around with me and I [TS]

  think the other aspect of this is that it's not really just a bunch of [TS]

  interchangeable different sized pieces of glass because to a degree that where [TS]

  that is still slightly uncomfortable these are separate devices and yes I [TS]

  cloud and yes you know the web and email and Twitter and things being and you [TS]

  know all that business that tries to make them feel the same thing but [TS]

  they're not like that is not synchronized to the degree we're like [TS]

  this is just a differently sized window into one into my world digital crap a [TS]

  lot of its like that but maybe game is installed here not there or maybe you [TS]

  can play a game here not there maybe this thing has an app that thing doesn't [TS]

  maybe if I added document over here I gotta be producing over there may be a [TS]

  little you know what hand off in between them and the gap between iPad and phone [TS]

  in the gap between the iOS devices in them [TS]

  adjusting the fast forward like three hundred years like this I can see where [TS]

  this is going and we're not quite there yet it and also frustrating I know he's [TS]

  Mike Hurley is going to be intolerable after hearing this I know it's connected [TS]

  just even have one to do you have one too and I know Federer has been trying [TS]

  to six plus mike has had one since it came out and Mike's been telling them [TS]

  all the success of the best and they all didn't believe him and now Federico is [TS]

  basically converted Stephen to you he did 2007 you converted to [TS]

  I think he also said that he respected and appreciated it [TS]

  guess what was going to happen the watch comes cuz that's gonna scrub everybody [TS]

  lined up a little glass squares or rectangles real-time follow-up Stephen [TS]

  Hackett said he had a loner but he will be going for the larger phone the next [TS]

  time I mean I think this is this is the year Volvo's realizing the big screen [TS]

  stuff is good I got my this is yet another trip again last like last week [TS]

  I'm saying all well you know maybe maybe I'll go with the smaller screen on my [TS]

  next laptop get a small laptop and then I take the strip it we're working on my [TS]

  slides into the last minute of course and I'm like man I am so glad I have [TS]

  this big screen on the plane on the way home and work on an overcast economic [TS]

  men I'm so glad to have this 15 year right where I admit to myself that even [TS]

  the small stuff is all sexy I actually enjoy using the bigger stuff more so you [TS]

  were just saying it does not so long ago I think both of you were saying that if [TS]

  Apple made a foreign georgian the iPhone that the next version the iPhone you [TS]

  might consider getting instead of the six eyes you've got a total of not only [TS]

  the getting used to the six percent in fact they go to possibly in the other [TS]

  direction so so the market for a do you think they're still a market for a [TS]

  smaller size of iPhone are no just be based on i mean for you obviously not [TS]

  you you see you're not going to buy one but do you think you should still make [TS]

  one I honestly don't know they could they could sell it i mean you know [TS]

  people would buy it [TS]

  who would buy it he said John Gruber I don't know what he's done by like it [TS]

  could be that through a sort of indoctrination by forcing everyone in [TS]

  the Apple you know everyone who wants a new iPhone being forced to this is a [TS]

  small when you can get just deal with it for a year and then you know like we [TS]

  said it could be that you go back to the old size and it seems ridiculously small [TS]

  toi still find the sex not so much in the hand but as you said in the pocket [TS]

  just my plain old sex how about now couple months in the pocket I still feel [TS]

  like man I was not such a hassle of my pocket and usage fine I'm ok with it in [TS]

  the pocket if you'll smoke but of course I have all these iPod Touch running [TS]

  around the house and I pick them up and I say the pocket you know it's worth it [TS]

  you know [TS]

  exam it's always a trade off right and that's what the six plus like it's a [TS]

  it's a tradeoff it is significantly bigger in the pocket it is harder to use [TS]

  one handed then [TS]

  than the foreign phone I don't necessarily think it's hard to use one [TS]

  hand in the six I i would say compared to the six it's about the same like I [TS]

  don't I really don't think it's harder to use than the sex and you know either [TS]

  way like you're not reaching the whole screen either way or change your groups [TS]

  in such a way to get kinda like this wide Claudia hover over things like [TS]

  that's fine when I was going to the ship I have to unlock phones now I have to 5s [TS]

  and the six plus and I i i charged up both NII launched I have all my stuff on [TS]

  both and and I played with the 5s for a few minutes and it was just too tiny [TS]

  like I loved how tiny it felt in my hand but when I tried to do anything on it I [TS]

  love to I could reach everything but like it was just I felt cramped I felt [TS]

  like I had no screen space and that was even before we should have sex plus now [TS]

  due to the six plus the six almost feels that way you know it's all about what [TS]

  you're used to [TS]

  and and the six plus does have a better camera not nato not by a huge amount but [TS]

  it is better image stabilization so it has a better camera and longer battery [TS]

  life those are pretty big advantages so combine that with the screen space [TS]

  advantage and it might be worthwhile to me [TS]

  I i dont know we shouldn't rule things out because of what we're accustomed to [TS]

  because that you know that all relative that that can all change we said only a [TS]

  few months ago that they really make a smartphone but in reality once like once [TS]

  I'm used to the six now the six feels fine like it still I still think that [TS]

  the the physical design of them being the slippery blobs is horrible but once [TS]

  I put a political cases on them they became great I'm fine with them now [TS]

  you know once I put the case on its fine it's great i like it alot and something [TS]

  like the watch I was hoping to go with 38 cause I I don't like big chunky [TS]

  watches but I think you know but then I have a fit issue but also the forty two [TS]

  millimeter watch will have substantially better battery life hapless edit [TS]

  themselves we don't know by how much but it's gonna have better battery life and [TS]

  that's gonna matter on on first generation smart watches so again you [TS]

  know gone a little bigger than would normally be comfortable with but it's [TS]

  bringing advantages so it's a trade off it's worth it [TS]

  with the laptops like we we think the 15 inch Retina MacBook Pro is a big heavy [TS]

  laptop but compared to the 15 PowerBook I bought when I first converted max in [TS]

  2004 this thing is light like it's four and a half pounds that movie is almost [TS]

  six so that's a pretty substantial reduction in weight proportionally it's [TS]

  a much thinner its way faster of course it is always better capabilities [TS]

  worn-out saying oh my god this this brand new MacBook which is 2.0 pounds is [TS]

  amazing the 11 inch MacBook Air is 2.2 six or something to point to something [TS]

  right so that's it's not that much lighter than the 11 inch MacBook Air but [TS]

  we're saying oh my god get this and the other ones now feel really heavy it's [TS]

  all relative it's all what you're used to you know making any kind of absolute [TS]

  declaration about something being too big or too small or too heavy or not the [TS]

  right size for you that can change over time [TS]

  basically used to any can change over shorter time span than you might expect [TS]

  playing out that you were complaining about all this followed by the MacBook [TS]

  sizing and then you you took the opportunity in the after show to discuss [TS]

  big iPhones [TS]

  believe has been covered more than adequately by the show and I'm not [TS]

  complaining I am in support of you doing that why just because we talked about [TS]

  something before doesn't need to say about the topic [TS]

  done we're never done thanks let everybody let's see some titles for we [TS]

  signed off well I can do significantly bigger in the park [TS]

  case lists that's pretty rough night to say it's bad but pretty road during a [TS]

  lisp on this title at like the thinnest eric is a county of Casey I like going [TS]

  into the black hole we are gonna do Marco Polo someday when marketplace polo [TS]

  don't even know what I know it's like a type of shirt and there's some kind of [TS]

  like stupid sport that it is better I don't know what the sport you know the [TS]

  polo is this is like the the ultimate achievement and things that market [TS]

  doesn't know about references you don't get I made a reference to a sport that [TS]

  you don't know [TS]

  Marco and everything's Wikipedia article on pull that you're learning what polo [TS]

  is everyone in the chatroom those opposed right is not i'm not the only [TS]

  perhaps a rich people support yet is it like croquet on horses and that's why [TS]

  would you do this because rich people mark I don't understand how you got to [TS]

  the stage without knowing what polo is it has never occurred to me to even look [TS]

  it up I've never seen poll in real life but I like I know it's a pain that [TS]

  exists in my highlight the field is huge [TS]

  their horses you can't put him on a little basketball court and you see this [TS]

  combination that this this diagram of a football field on a polo feed the horses [TS]

  legs they run had this seems like a ridiculous why would anybody do this [TS]

  because the really rich and horses horses in it beats like chasing a fox I [TS]

  guess but I don't know I mean you have to start with the idea that it's okay to [TS]

  have horses to run around on that alone is is a problem [TS]

  looks really hard to like i mean you gotta swing that big thing while riding [TS]

  a horse alone is hard and swinging the thing and hitting a ball with tourists [TS]

  looks really hard [TS]

  horses have terrible suspension and they're only one horsepower [TS]