The Accidental Tech Podcast

110: And on That Bombshell…


  I think it's a better reason for a couple of reasons. Our first bit of follow up. [TS]

  John it's about Prince Asians so you're in charge of it was and why that's the case but I did put this in there. [TS]

  Dan from Twitter. Wrote us to tell us the correct pronunciation of M K B H T's. Name it is apparently Marquez. [TS]

  Not Marcus or any other thing that we tried to model our way through in the last show. [TS]

  So I'm annoyed by this because vacuum we first talked about his him in his video when he got the. [TS]

  The alleged i Phone six. Screen cover with it with the possible Sapphire. [TS]

  I guessed that it would have been pronounced Marquez. And so I said Marquez. And I heard from a thief. [TS]

  A few people saying that's wrong. So that's why I didn't try to prance that way again. [TS]

  So we don't know if this is right there anyone to type anything into a box on the web. [TS]

  But I believe things seemed authentic [TS]

  and I still would like to have a video of Marquez saying his own name just so I can you know hear it from him. [TS]

  Yep that would be good if there probably are a thousand hours of the video [TS]

  but we don't know because we don't want to tell but he always calls himself M.T.V.'s D. Wait. [TS]

  That's what he calls himself like in his own video he says hey guys this is N.P.V. H.D. and He likes only. [TS]

  Yeah that's the first place I look for Prince you should. Assistance. It's like Madonna but away longer. [TS]

  Real time follow up from underscore who is my favorite person to have in the chat because he is like our entire [TS]

  research squad in one character which is underscore anyway. He has found a link to Mark has pronouncing his name and. [TS]

  It's a video so I haven't listened to it [TS]

  but he has confirmed that it is indeed Martin as my name is Mark as Brownlee sky like. [TS]

  No sooner we talked about sky like maybe come. You know. [TS]

  Maybe maybe you Apple [TS]

  and even use Broadwell biggest guy like is coming so soon brought out was delayed because they had a lot of trouble [TS]

  with the fourteen nanometer process. Scale like as a new architecture but on the same process. [TS]

  So maybe to just get back to that and now. Just before the show I get a link to an article that posts and rumors about. [TS]

  Scott. [TS]

  Possibly being delayed I was from digitise I'm so take it with a grain of salt [TS]

  but supposedly there Glenn yet until August. And the article. Reeling through here from Mighty world. [TS]

  I think tries to say that they're delaying it just to space out their products not for any particular reason like they [TS]

  would be ready but they want to space it out to give room for Broadwell to sell. I don't know what to think but anyway. [TS]

  Betting on until delaying something is always a safe bet. Well the lot of intel. Delays and release dates. [TS]

  Is that every Intel release will be late. [TS]

  Except for the one that comes right after whatever you buy an image as a question mark in a spot a follow up is not a [TS]

  definitive thing it is just a link to rumors from Digital AM So we'll see how it goes [TS]

  but I'm thinking that Apple's going to ship Bravo machines no matter what you know even of sky like was available for [TS]

  sale now. I think it's too late Apple's already got the broad Bell machines. [TS]

  Designed ready manufacturing like their I think that is going to. You know what they're going to ship no matter what. [TS]

  Yeah I think you're I know now that you know having scarlet come so soon after broke it was already like pretty [TS]

  suspicious. And so now if there. If there's any hint that it might actually be delayed. That's extremely plausible. [TS]

  I agree I think we're going to see brought about the summer on the fifteen inch and that'll be that. [TS]

  And we'll see if I like next year. [TS]

  And we also heard some interesting information that possibly explains limitations of the new MacBook. [TS]

  So one thing I've complained about an initially was that it only has eight gigs of RAM that's not configurable to [TS]

  anything higher. [TS]

  We heard from a number of people and the these are publicly documented on Intel site [TS]

  and stuff that Broadwell Coram chipset that is used in the new mac but to get that low power five watt family design. [TS]

  The max man. The max ram it supports is eight gigs. [TS]

  So that's it like there's just there's no more RAM that the chipset can support. [TS]

  So that's why a case is what it is trying to look that up. Rather than just taking these people's word for. [TS]

  If you go to Intel site it says the limit of sixteen [TS]

  and you can see machines with sixteen gigs with the same processor. What the fall.. [TS]

  What they a person who wrote to us under the name K. Period is that the limit. [TS]

  Yeah you can put sixteen and tell sites as sixteen. But if you want. The ram to be soldered to the circuit board. [TS]

  Not like a dam or anything like that that the core I am only has two channels [TS]

  and it's four gigs for channel for RAM that soldered onto the board in the US the limit of eight and. [TS]

  I handle cited did say you know maximum RAM and then if that imprint sees depending on type. [TS]

  I could not dig my way to whatever. [TS]

  Document gives the more verbose exploration get depending on type [TS]

  but as I mean like that lead eventually maybe yeah if you have Dems you can use sixteen [TS]

  but if you test soldered to the border limit date. [TS]

  I'm inclined to believe these people just couldn't find the documentation to back it up. [TS]

  But it makes sense you know like. This is the smallest of the small low powered you know. [TS]

  Chipsets for laptops and Apple definitely a soldering there and to a board. [TS]

  And we do see machines out there were sixteen with the same chip. [TS]

  But maybe the soldering to the board so it's entirely plausible makes sense to me. Yeah and you know. [TS]

  Looking at her mental point of view. This is a really low end chip. [TS]

  I mean it's going to it's going in some really like you know sexy. Laptop that we all want. [TS]

  But the reality is these are low end parties are slow. They're very very low power. [TS]

  That's that's why they're slow to have to be really low power. [TS]

  They're going to these various Like physically small designs with very few chips. [TS]

  So and this let this lead was very one to our next. Follow a point on this which is. [TS]

  John you've been begging for a long time. Months years. Somebody to give you a good reason why there is only one U.S.B. [TS]

  Port on this machine. [TS]

  Let me stop you there because we're all said you can go contain explain it but I've seen this before [TS]

  and I thought I gotta see I see the technical docs I got to see the sourcing Otherwise it's just you know. [TS]

  And I've gone. Well so. So we got we got two possible explanations here. [TS]

  The first one which I think is little bit less solid is. From. [TS]

  Chris Jones who says that the piece which is what you know I think it used be called the Southbridge platform control [TS]

  or whatever it's called that. [TS]

  That's the chip on the motherboard for those who don't know that that controls most of the stuff is so should the [TS]

  slower IO stuff so not like RAM and G.P. Use. Which is all I believe now directly control by the C.P.U. [TS]

  In the entire lineup. But now it's like you know U.S.B. Stuff basically. And so the P.C.H. [TS]

  Integrated into this chipset by Intel provides for U.S.B. Three connections. Typical MacBook uses one U.S.B. [TS]

  Connection internally for Bluetooth. [TS]

  One for the keyboard and trackpad and one for the Face Time camera leaving one connection left for the U.S.B. [TS]

  Type seaport. And for Apple to add more ports. If they wanted them to be U.S.B. Three. [TS]

  Would require them to add a separate U.S.B. Controller which should be another chip on the board and. [TS]

  You know that for that cost board space that cost power. [TS]

  That costs money and so you know all these all these cost of that they probably should have to do it now. [TS]

  This might be a little bit. Unreliable of the of a reason because as as Chris points out the U.S.B. [TS]

  Two point zero ports are counted separately and I checked my map approach is granted three years old [TS]

  but I checked on that and the. The keyboard and Bluetooth controller are plugged into the U.S.B. Two bus. [TS]

  On my i thought i was going to get her [TS]

  but I remember back in the day I think some internal components on power books then were on the A D B. Wow. [TS]

  They're going to use the smallest lowest cost connection possible for the internal components so why does attract bad [TS]

  need U.S.B. Three verses U.S.B. Two. You know in the same thing for a for a the camera. [TS]

  So that's why this is kind of like you have to use connections with these things you can like it just isn't make sense [TS]

  to me like why would you use us be three connection for the camera right. [TS]

  Yeah and the keyboard to I mean a special the keyboard like the high band with the device. Yes So I. This is. [TS]

  A good theory I'm not sure that it applies here though. But the better reason. I think this is worse by gone. OK.. [TS]

  The better reason as I pointed out by Cape here it is that due to limitations of the integrated. Intel G.P.U. [TS]

  In this family's low power chipset. [TS]

  It is not possible to drive to extreme displays at very high resolutions along with the internal panel so anything I [TS]

  believe past ten and he. It's considered a high resolution. It can't drive two extra and they can only do one X. [TS]

  Turn all at those resolutions. Plus the built in panel. And so if there are multiple U.S.B. Seaports. [TS]

  And assuming you can plug a display into. You know into a U.S.B. [TS]

  Seaport then only one of them could reasonably drive a display [TS]

  and so there would be this weird situation where you have like these two identical ports. [TS]

  Only one of which can drive a high resolution display the both of which possible to be able to drive lower solution to [TS]

  be weird. So that that I think is a pretty good reason. [TS]

  I think it's a better reason for a couple of reasons one we already established [TS]

  when we were trying to figure out if it had a mirroring member like OK into marrying your candor extended split [TS]

  and I think you looked it up and said Oh it says right here on this next page. And as marrying and also dual display. [TS]

  Dual meaning to this machine supports two displays. [TS]

  That's what the Apple specs say that's what the machine does have you had it with two identical ports you plug a [TS]

  monitor into one. [TS]

  And you get a second Modern you plug into second you like what the hell the second monitor isn't working. [TS]

  It only supports to display that has it right there on the spec page there's no ambiguity. [TS]

  Would you be like enraged [TS]

  or confused by the fact that you can't support three displays the machine only supports two for years. [TS]

  Lot that's only supported two displays like you just keep plugging displays in willy nilly. Having another U.S.B. Port. [TS]

  But seventeen U.S.B. [TS]

  Ports never like now I can have seventeen displays Now you got going to take spec space [TS]

  and how many displays can I drive from this thing. [TS]

  So I thought makes no sense to me that the people as a whole be confused or angry [TS]

  or disappointed that the machine that clearly says supports dual displays. [TS]

  Can only support builds plays well OK I disagree that's a valid reason. [TS]

  But I at least we will have to agree to disagree on this which is a phrase I hate. [TS]

  So what do you think like of the say well we could but two U.S.B. [TS]

  Ports in the sitting bud we could only support to display so we better get rid of that port like that makes sense do [TS]

  you know that's that's the kind of reasoning you would support. [TS]

  Well what I see here are a bunch of smaller reasons that. That potentially if you add all these reasons up. [TS]

  Might be enough justification and by the way and we heard a theory from few people that I want to address. [TS]

  People saying that Apple is artificially only giving one port. That way they can sell an upgraded model. [TS]

  Next year or whatever with two ports and people by democratic model. [TS]

  What you mean by upgraded like just the next or vision the machine. Yeah exactly the same sense of right exactly. [TS]

  We hear this theory a lot whenever there's any limitation. [TS]

  We usually hear from from a handful of people like this really well they're just artificially keeping that down so they [TS]

  can release it next year and everybody upgrade and. I don't think. [TS]

  I mean I don't know how Apple works internally with regard to decisions like that [TS]

  but that's not how any business works I was like going to a sandwich shop to give him a little bit crappier sandwich is [TS]

  a weakness on the better one they're not going to come back if you sell more product doesn't satisfy them that I'm [TS]

  going to say. Well I now have to buy the new one next year like if you get a car and it's not a great car you. [TS]

  Maybe look different car maker next time you are going to say damn or they just did this all by the better Honda next [TS]

  or no huge success by Honda of you get a product you get a progress not satisfactory they're not an intentionally [TS]

  handicap in their products. With the goal of. It will get him next time it'll make him buy a new computer sooner. [TS]

  Does it just doesn't make sense them. Exactly I mean there's so many reasons why products you know. [TS]

  Have limitations in one generation the next generation. [TS]

  They're lifted or they're hot or things are fast or better or whatever [TS]

  and usually it's regards to reasonable justifiable reasons like availability or costs. [TS]

  Or you know things like that or just you know not being feasible yet or not [TS]

  or having having major trade offs major downsides. So that's you know I don't think anybody and by the way. [TS]

  Most people don't buy every generation of a product. [TS]

  And most people don't follow things so closely that they would even know like most battles customers. [TS]

  If they buy this machine. [TS]

  And one comes out next year with two poor and they're not shopping for a computer then they don't know. [TS]

  Right like they will know until that computer dies or gets too slow to be usable [TS]

  or the battery starts where not really badly. And they go in in two or three years or more. [TS]

  And look at a new computer like that's when we're going to see what's available then which might be totally different. [TS]

  Usually much more it's not like phones if you're lucky if they go every few years. [TS]

  But some people feel like all the my contracts over now I have this freedom period and whatever [TS]

  but Macs people just use them at. You know the. [TS]

  I don't know the operates like a lot of Max but I think it's way longer than any other thing [TS]

  and certainly not a one year me even if market and buy new Macs every year. [TS]

  No I just said I'm using I'm using a three year old my pro as well and i Macin the macros. [TS]

  That's sure I think that was a special case though before that I let my things that's a pretty long. Because I kept. [TS]

  My prose. John is your is your MacPro hit a decade yet are now seven years. Thing in there. [TS]

  That's a closer answer than I expected if it's the funding as I've so I took a trip. [TS]

  Last week to anyone that I was using my laptop very heavily in. And every time you pull out of I realize you know. [TS]

  With the exception of the screen retention which I could get fixed for I think like four hundred dollars Somebody told [TS]

  me it would be about that I don't know. [TS]

  I'd probably not get it fixed or not worth it but like this machine I got was the base model. [TS]

  The ninety nine model the base model that was that came out. Three years ago the for the first retina fifty. [TS]

  And I was looking just out of here as looking like. You know if I want to replace this today. [TS]

  You know if it broke or if I want to place. [TS]

  The summer with broad but what I replace it with what configuration [TS]

  and look at the configurations that are available today. And I will get the base model again. [TS]

  It's like the specs are so good now sixteen gig ceramic is eight. It's a faster C.P.U. [TS]

  It's aimed seem to space but I don't need a lot of space that's not my primary computer. [TS]

  And so it's no big deal if so like I think I would. You know I think if. [TS]

  If Brubaker comes out this summer like I said you know I have a family member who kind of need to hand it down to [TS]

  pretty soon. So it probably comes out the summer and to read and update on the by the base model again probably. [TS]

  If I didn't have a good reason to upgrade. I would keep using this one for another year or two at least I mean. [TS]

  I would guess the average duration of a mac. Owner. [TS]

  You know between between upgrade to computers is probably three years or more. [TS]

  I mean I've had my work computer for three years I've had my personal computer for three Issue years. [TS]

  I probably will be getting a new machine for myself sometime soon [TS]

  and I know work is on a three year cycle so I might be rocking to different can choose different new Macs this year I [TS]

  don't know we'll see if we will see what happens but yeah I mean I three year cycle is not unreasonable and. [TS]

  I think most people would actually go on an even longer cycle [TS]

  and especially for those like myself who have machines that have spinning platters in them. You know even just an S.S.D. [TS]

  Can make a tremendous difference. Our first sponsor. Is Cards Against Humanity. [TS]

  Now once again they have not given me any script to read and instead they've sent John. Another toaster to review. [TS]

  So John what toaster do you have this week and what are your thoughts on it. [TS]

  This week I have the camel tin beach three one two three zero. They have the. [TS]

  The idea of taking letters out of their model number which I don't know who makes it worse or better. [TS]

  I guess probably better. [TS]

  Can't be that much worse than the other ones who can see it [TS]

  and they'll have they'll have like a name like you know said it and forget it toaster oven. [TS]

  You know like the some word that's on the cup the something name of the prices that the model number. Anyway. [TS]

  This is a big one. [TS]

  This is a very big toaster it's the inside is about the same size as my Breville six at the Xcel which is a pretty big [TS]

  toes you can easily fit for slices of bread in it but the outside of this thing. [TS]

  Like first of all the left and right side and back have curves on them. [TS]

  So it's wider than you think it is like you look at it from the front you think just the brightly colored rectangle [TS]

  side but has bulges like big metal bulges. That adds a couple inches in either side in the back. [TS]

  And the thing to the right of the toaster all the buttons are is pretty thick so this is. [TS]

  I think this is probably as big as the bridal version of mine as convection. [TS]

  And I think that's probably what makes this thing larger is that this also has convection. [TS]

  So that just the price you pay for convection you get a much bigger toaster bottle it's. [TS]

  It showed in the Amazon pictures as containing. What appears to be either a very large chicken or a very small turkey. [TS]

  Yeah. That's like a smallish chicken like of that same size inside as my brittle but the outside is bigger. [TS]

  So the interesting piece of this has [TS]

  and you can see in the picture as this thing comes with a probe their mom there that's attached to the toaster. [TS]

  In a very very poorly designed little door. [TS]

  That you kind of that you shove the probe into it like a slot and then you walk up the. [TS]

  The rubber coated wire for the probe and you try to close its little door it's terrible anyway [TS]

  and does have a prototype she would for food tempter so you can put the probe and your food [TS]

  and close the door yes close it on your rubber surrounded. Their mom or wire thing like adored will close all the way. [TS]

  With the wire sort of shove than pinch through there which is weird and it also means there has to be kind of. [TS]

  Gap around the entire door of the toaster. Anyway. You think the probe in and you can. [TS]

  You know pick the desired temperature of the food and you just turn the thing on it will turn itself off [TS]

  when your food at the correct temperature. And it's got the government food safety. [TS]

  Temperatures for different kinds of food like printed on the door of the toaster in case you forget. [TS]

  And I just take this time to remind everybody of the government food safety temperatures for food. Are often crazy. [TS]

  Like they say. [TS]

  You should cook pork two hundred sixty two hundred seventy degrees I invite everyone listening to this to cook a pork [TS]

  chop two hundred seventy degrees and then tell me how it tasted them taste like sawdust. [TS]

  You cannot do one hundred seventy degrees they do that for like you know. Prevention from Trigger No says or anyway. [TS]

  One thing is that the government would say temperatures [TS]

  or food are super conservative yet you will kill every German that food also killed the food and to be tasteless and. [TS]

  Please email John about this not if you die of a trigger noses don't blame me [TS]

  but I'm just you know feel free cook your Parker one seventy but that's no way to live just don't eat pork when. [TS]

  Oh my God we're going to hear from everybody on both sides argument you really know everyone who knows anything about [TS]

  cooking park will say. Yes of course you can do you haven't you ever cooked parked on seventy. I've never cooked pork. [TS]

  And you guys don't cook and the only time I ever cooked pork is bacon and that's a whole different ballgame. [TS]

  Both you don't cook. No I cook just not that right. Just not that. Never in your whole life ever. [TS]

  I mean like Casey I cook bacon. But I don't really like eating pork chops. So I don't cook them apart roast. Nothing. [TS]

  No not even big hams know I'm not I'm not really a huge pork man. All right. [TS]

  Well now you've got your good I'm religious in the park friends anyway. The toaster as a toaster. [TS]

  I tried to do my topical toast off versus mine when you put you know it's called toaster. [TS]

  But piece of bread in each one right in the middle. [TS]

  Start testing see who wins that's all you know I've been timing them all that the toast off was thwarted by the fact [TS]

  that. [TS]

  Just things you mongers [TS]

  and by the toaster is not particularly small trip the circuit breaker my kitchen tap water the time from process. [TS]

  Trying to tell us Brent Bozell this is a. Fourteen hundred watt toaster oven. I flip the breaker. [TS]

  And tried again when that was very cold one of the time. [TS]

  This is the slow toaster for toasting bread it is slower than my bread rolls the slowest one I had its largest [TS]

  cavernous and it's got the. [TS]

  I have things like resistive heating elements there they're not the courts ones that are like shiny and thick [TS]

  and light up quickly these are skinnier and dark [TS]

  and they slowly start to glow red it is really slow to toast I don't know if I could tolerate trying to get toast in [TS]

  this thing because it's just it's just really slow. [TS]

  But without Do you have a minute spent like what do you consider really slow. I had I did. [TS]

  Time in a stopwatch register the math of the subtracting from my toasters like thirty seconds slower I think it's like [TS]

  over three minutes maybe four minutes like you [TS]

  and I don't I don't know if this one a smart like my daughter has my toaster. [TS]

  As soon as you it toasted will tell you how long it's going to take. [TS]

  And how long will take depends on the ambient temperature inside the toaster so the second piece of toast is way faster [TS]

  than the first one. Right right. That's what's make it a smart toaster Anyway this one has no read out like that. [TS]

  Speaking of the react like. [TS]

  There's not great choices for all the stuff that you touch and you see on this toaster like the dials buttons [TS]

  and displays. There are no dials. It's all buttons. [TS]

  The the display is like one of those multi segment displays it's not a seven silent as it can make letters. [TS]

  As well so it's not just the the numbers and stuff in it. [TS]

  You know because I just I think I like the diagonal line for like the letter and stuff. [TS]

  I don't know me that the seven eight nine ten eleven twelve segment display but it lights up [TS]

  and it tries to do this growing stuff like when you hit toast it says. C N T R blank. R A C K. Blank. C.N.C. [TS]

  Are like it's trying to tell you center back. [TS]

  And this is something people are age or my age anyway might not realize that modern toasters. Have a movable rock. [TS]

  And they expect you to have the rack in the middle of the toaster like height wise not the bottom of the toaster now [TS]

  the top of the toaster directly in the middle which looks really weird for people like me who grew up with a Black [TS]

  and Decker cars to read the rack was always at the bottom [TS]

  but it makes them human from an even toasting perspective because you want to be equal distance from the heating [TS]

  elements. If you're right against the bottom hitting almost the bottom is going to cook way faster than the top. [TS]

  Anyway. [TS]

  That little display doesn't tell you anything useful doesn't tell you how long it's going to take doesn't give you a [TS]

  countdown timer It just says it's you know toasting and the buttons in the thing. Are membrane buttons. [TS]

  Like the affixes brought on a pocket listen to reason maybe I'm back to work. [TS]

  The Atari four hundred membrane keyboard you guys don't remember that but you know what I'm talking about [TS]

  when I say membrane key Morant. Yeah. [TS]

  It's like a little like like bubbles of bubbles of plastic that are that are just like held up over the surface the [TS]

  entire set of buttons that control entire house are all membrane buns [TS]

  and every time you press want to feel like you're pressing the entire membrane. Down like it's. It is not an expensive. [TS]

  Feeling thing. [TS]

  The the rack doesn't pull out when the door opens the the rack it's Lindsay the tray comes was there flimsy. [TS]

  If you want to use it as like a. This is more like a measure of and less like it you know. [TS]

  I know they're all like that yellow it's an inch of them but this. [TS]

  Perform so poorly unlike toaster related things where it's a frequently use appliance you're going back to it again [TS]

  and again to cook us a toast in the morning to do stuff like that. [TS]

  This is more like what they see on the cover of you want to cook a chicken to put a problem under [TS]

  and it's like a smaller version of a knob and then you're not bothered so much by the button business. The U.I. [TS]

  Isn't terrible. The buttons. [TS]

  You basically don't need to read the manual you can look at the buttons [TS]

  and figured out that there's lots of waiting for everything. [TS]

  You press a button it's a center rocking like you're waiting for me to move the racket you're going to start toasting [TS]

  and. [TS]

  There's no count down to tell you when it has started very often I've had to open it up [TS]

  and stick my hand inside to see if it's starting to get hot. [TS]

  Because there's no visual indication that it is doing what I asked it to do pushing the membrane buttons. Yeah. [TS]

  Not not a fan. Wow. So how do you really feel John. It's not. [TS]

  I mean it's not terrible it's a good little I've been like for cooking. [TS]

  Small things in an oven but I would not use this is a toaster and it's just human gas and weird. [TS]

  Now it looks like in their picture so. [TS]

  So you said they selected a misleadingly sized chicken for for the top picture there with the probe. [TS]

  And then I see their bread showing that it's a sick slice toaster. [TS]

  That is the very strange proportion that those bread slices have where they look really small in thickly cut. [TS]

  It's like Texas toast or something you could not fit six lysis of regular sandwich [TS]

  but I think it's a force lifestyle service Russell you do have to have some space around the toast otherwise it doesn't [TS]

  you know. [TS]

  Chris opera on the edges [TS]

  and second of all I don't think I get a wedge three pieces of bread in this thing side by side just regular sandwich [TS]

  bread you know it's not that big. OK Well thank you cards against humanity for giving Stern interest drive again. [TS]

  One more time. All right. [TS]

  And then back to back to the follow up do we want to talk about what it's like to build RAM actually right before the [TS]

  hopefully hopefully the final thing on the. [TS]

  The Maclin attentions I think all of a lot of our questions will be answered. [TS]

  When the new mac book pro's come out you know because we assume they all have U.S.B. Type C. Connectors on them. [TS]

  And we also assume they're not going to have one port right. [TS]

  So all these questions about what it takes to have more than one port. [TS]

  And how Apple handles these the possible confusion of like oh can you power from both of them can I put four monitor in [TS]

  because it's for us be type seaport So you know like all those things will be answered not by seeing whether Marquez is [TS]

  right about the next version of the new MacBook having two ports but by thing what they do. [TS]

  To the mac book pro I mean if they put one port and I will produce not eliminating. [TS]

  But I'm assuming they're not going to have one part of the group are [TS]

  and then we're going to see all you know all these questions about possible confusion. [TS]

  How does Apple answer them with a product that they basically have to have more than one U.S.B. Type seaborne. [TS]

  That's a fair point but I think a lot of these a lot of these reasons. [TS]

  Really only apply like with this with the chip sent stuff like that so will I say [TS]

  but about half of the reasons that we've that we've been sent in. [TS]

  Yeah I just mean like the confusion reasons like oh you can't charge for more than one [TS]

  or it's confusing I don't know what I can plug in and you know [TS]

  and if it has more ports than it supports monitors could maybe support three monitors but us for ports you know. [TS]

  That's right right. That's fair. All right. [TS]

  Finally RAM last show I made an offhand comment talking about we're talking about thanks guy like him [TS]

  and the processes and everything and I said that they when they come. [TS]

  They do a new processes they fab RAM first because very regular and easier to fad than the complicated logic in a C.P.U. [TS]

  and Joelle wrote in to say that you know that information was always wrong [TS]

  or the very least it's not true anymore because apparently fab in RAM is actually harder than pure pure logic chip [TS]

  these days because the RAM ask Mark passages in it and yield and reliability problems [TS]

  and DRAM are almost always do the manufacturing problems with the capacitors which are very tightly packed [TS]

  and have high aspect ratios whatever that means he wrote a very detailed explanation that I found very convincing that [TS]

  that is not the case anymore they don't [TS]

  and fact the RAM is often fad that one just two generations behind what logic is that these days. [TS]

  I tried to do some googling to see where did I get this idea that used to fabric [TS]

  and first on a new process size to get the kinks worked out of it. [TS]

  And I just did not know what the hell did go for I'm pretty sure it's true [TS]

  but it could be knowledge from like the eighty's for all I know some much is change [TS]

  and in silicon chip making these days it is probably just out that info. [TS]

  If it hit by the way anyone does know what the hell in their memory if I am remembering something please do send in the [TS]

  links I can see if I'm crazy. [TS]

  Shall even have to say please only one person sent to us because I know the number of people who has [TS]

  and it is going to be between zero and will anybody to read Byte magazine in the eighty's probably know that. Goodness. [TS]

  OK. So a little bit about the new trackpad Apple. Apparently has updated some apps to use it including i Movie. [TS]

  I don't know which one of you entered this in the document but I know almost nothing about this. [TS]

  I answered and I didn't read the stories like they updated like a bunch of their apps to you know. [TS]

  To support the new before such trackpad. But most interesting when I thought it was. [TS]

  I am movie where they updated it so like when you're dragging along the clips you can like feel [TS]

  when you hit the end of the clip. Like dragging the little slider along that you know and I'm moving to show how. [TS]

  Yeah I've heard that phrase but like how what are you feeling. [TS]

  So here's the thing about the using force touch for the U.I. [TS]

  This is a very it's almost a one dimensional output device. [TS]

  All it does is vibrate maybe you can vibrate different amounts are different you know. [TS]

  Different amplitude possibly different frequency but this is not. [TS]

  You know actually feeling anything it is very very limited kind of like you know [TS]

  and they've added the rumble back in Star Trek sixty four when I was like All it does is rumble. [TS]

  Yeah you can kind of make it rumble different amounts rumble very you know in bursts or whatever. [TS]

  But it is a very limited feedback device all that has the kind of be in simulating some kind of bump right. [TS]

  If you want to feel when you're scrubbing a little chorus or longer a clip. When you hit the end it goes. [TS]

  And like and vibrate slightly on the ceiling. [TS]

  I haven't tried this for us and I just read the articles but this is the new. [TS]

  I know what you call it a new not to mention a new vector for output from the divisive Got. [TS]

  Visual you've got sound and now you've got it can make you feel something under your finger. [TS]

  Not very complicated things. Basically just some kind of vibration of different. You know. Strength and timing. [TS]

  But that's not not been [TS]

  and is the type of thing where like you know we all just assume for such will come to all the I.R.S. [TS]

  Devices and everything and forced us by the way the water is only one way right. [TS]

  What I mean you press on the watch a very mountainous sense of how much you're pressing it does not press back on your [TS]

  finger right. That's well known. [TS]

  Well no but it is see this is why the nomenclature so peculiar because the tap tick engine does. [TS]

  God I just had on the Took my tongue and I lost it but it will tap you like. Yeah. [TS]

  Vibrates on your wrist but not in response to you pressing it. [TS]

  Right it's not like you're scrolling through with your finger on the phone like swiping through screens [TS]

  and the screen and the phone vibrates to make you feel like you feel something on your finger. [TS]

  I think that's correct but I don't know whatever the case in on the mac books. [TS]

  They are trying to make it as a way so you can sort of feel stuff on the screen in a very limited way. [TS]

  But even just in a very limited way it's like well if you're going to force the trackpad and everything and. [TS]

  This is so easy to do. And I have a very simple A.B.I. [TS]

  For and as just a little bit of it's a type of thing where if you have any kind of tactile feedback. It is another. [TS]

  What the hell's the word I'm looking for another. Another input channels dimension. [TS]

  Out not to mention another input channel for your experience that. [TS]

  Once you get used to it being there as long as it's not annoying. [TS]

  The lack of it will feel wrong to you in the same way that suddenly if you have to use a macro a closing your eyes [TS]

  or closing your ears and the same way they did things that sound like user interface sound. [TS]

  It has to be done in a limited way. If every time you scroll the scroll bar a scrolling view. [TS]

  It made some whistle noise you'd be like right turn that off immediately. [TS]

  And I think most I think most not users turn off the thing that makes a sound when you're done. [TS]

  Most sort of like people listening those pockets of like turn off the finder sounds like crumple a paper [TS]

  when you're empty the trash or make a day when you copy a file from one place the other I don't know maybe I'm crazy. [TS]

  No I don't need to know you leave those on. Yes like what you do. [TS]

  How many file your deleting that it's such a big problem. [TS]

  Doesn't matter just like that I don't want that to happen on my computer ever just empty the trash not make it no. [TS]

  I mean the software regrets coming out [TS]

  and saying me a song I don't want to say is useful for me because usually because I don't know the do it I know the [TS]

  trash does that doesn't do it when you're moving files. If I just like a really quick immediate thing. [TS]

  So I know it doesn't after long operations. It just copy goes doesn't bring. I don't even know what the sounds are. [TS]

  But I am mediately turn them off but anyway like. [TS]

  Well it's useful feedback because when you have like first of all somebody like me I very rarely empty the trash. [TS]

  I just forgot to do it. So when I do it to the trash. It's a pretty big set of trash in there. [TS]

  And you know if I'm doing a big file move it might take a while so the sounds provide feedback to tell you [TS]

  when it's done. Anyway. I'm getting as it has to be done in a subtle manner like there's a right amount of sound here. [TS]

  Beeping for things or. [TS]

  You know something like that makes sense but maybe not have a sound every time you move the cursor. But it. [TS]

  You know that type of movie sound. It has to be and so the same thing with a tactic feedback. [TS]

  If you just get it when you have the bump stops in a clip and I move it fine [TS]

  but if you've got it every time you scrolled it like vibrated on your finger [TS]

  and any app that would be too much so people have to find the right balance here [TS]

  but I think once they do find that balance and once it comes to every Apple device. [TS]

  It's just a gimme that it's like this. This makes the experience richer. Even if it's so incredibly primitive it. [TS]

  Vibrate a little bit just think of like if you if your phone didn't have a vibration motor and it. [TS]

  How much or worse the device would be just that one little piece of metal inside it. [TS]

  And how much they can do with that I'm a little worried about developers over using this for a while [TS]

  and Apple also using over the over a reason this for a while I did finally get a chance to try one of these in a store. [TS]

  This week so I was very happy about that. [TS]

  I also initially didn't believe that it was that trackpad I thought it well does most of the old model because it [TS]

  clicked it does feel different. But it's. It's like a softer click and I know I know it's a setting. [TS]

  And I tried all different I tried a whole range of settings I have there. [TS]

  It is still a softer click like it's like less clicky less feedback New got from the old one. But it. [TS]

  You know it still feels like a click to me. And so it's great. My my worry and when you do the double. [TS]

  You know the deeper. Forced click whatever calling that one that one is interesting if you'll find. My worry with that. [TS]

  Is that now we have three different kinds of clicks like this it's kind of like swift right there. [TS]

  It looks simple and seems simple but it's actually just hiding complexity hiding complete hog. [TS]

  We'll talk about first another one. Yeah. So you know over. [TS]

  It appears by the track that it appears as though you have one button. Right like the. The main click. [TS]

  But we all know in reality. [TS]

  You have a secondary click a right click the control click whatever you want to call it the right click menu is often a [TS]

  very often provide often does important thing so you often need to know about it. So in reality. [TS]

  You pretty much need to know two different clicks. The force click. Is now a third one. [TS]

  It's not just a right click I think it would be better if it was to right click. [TS]

  But it's not it's now this third thing that like. Sometimes it does a dictionary. Pop up. Sometimes it does quick look. [TS]

  Sometimes it does other things and so now it's the third level of stuff that we have to either. [TS]

  Accidently trigger and be surprised by which is annoying. Or that we have to. Learn. [TS]

  Which is you know possibly tricky because now it's a third thing or. And by the way. [TS]

  It's completely inconsistent as to what a thousand different things. Or we have to ignore in which case to waste. [TS]

  So like I wish they would have just kind of made a right click and just kept it simple or. [TS]

  I don't want to be right click just because I'm I'm concerned about how much force is going to take the horoscope I [TS]

  would want to do it as a routine. It's not much you know. [TS]

  And that's the other concern of it's not much I hope is adjustable somewhere but not much then. [TS]

  I don't want people who are slow in doing a quick or very deliberate [TS]

  and doing a quick to accidentally trigger a forest quickly [TS]

  and then you have to end up turning it off for them because like I'm there just can't they like. [TS]

  I tried to click on something but a dictionary definition of like well you've held it a little bit too long right [TS]

  and so that then you have to disable them [TS]

  and hoping at the able to disable it will be better if there was like a delay. [TS]

  And you could just crank the delay up so that the one time a month after you a force click go to sit there [TS]

  and hold their finger down. Pressing for like three seconds then the dictionary definition cobwebby happy with that. [TS]

  Like I can see someone getting use than usenet because if you tried hits them. Command option shift D. [TS]

  Nobody remembers that where the hell that. That thing is what it reminded me a lot of was on automatic B.M.W. [TS]

  and I think most German cars like this but certainly B.M.W.'s. You could face you can floor it. [TS]

  And then in the pedal stops. And then you can kind of push through what appears to be the floorboard. [TS]

  And then there's a little bit more depth of the pedal. [TS]

  Which is I think they called a kick down mode or something like that which is to which is you telling the car. [TS]

  No really freaking go. And that's a lot what this force click whatever it's called felt like you know you would click. [TS]

  And then push a little bit harder and then you'd get a second click out of it. [TS]

  That is telling we can tell the car just downshift is that what he's trying to do in an automatic Yeah I don't tell it [TS]

  to downshift as much as possible so what does it do in a manual. I don't have want to call nothing. [TS]

  It's just it's just a placebo. You know what I brought. I still have not tried to force a cry. [TS]

  Whenever I want to blow it brings to mind to me of course is the and John Roddick of listeners PA. [TS]

  If you can correct me but he doesn't so he won't. The. The flight stick and they have sixteen. Doesn't move. I believe. [TS]

  I was in it's like Forrest touch type thing it does not move around you just apply forces to it. [TS]

  And that may seem like How can you. Like how can you fly a plane with a with a stick or doesn't move at all.. [TS]

  It's it is at sixteen or the F.T. It's both someone will send us the the correction. [TS]

  But it's I imagine it's like the forest touch trackpad where you just get used to the doctor thing doesn't move I don't [TS]

  hear the guy they have to feed bag just like. [TS]

  That's the way you you do this thing by applying force a different direction to a thing that doesn't move so sitting [TS]

  there applying very amounts of force to a glass service that never moves. And probably doesn't even flex that much. [TS]

  Seems weird but as long as there's some kind of visual or [TS]

  or tactile feedback that you are accomplishing what you meant to do. [TS]

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  No monthly fees. Forty five day return policy Thanks a lot automatic. All right. So speaking of the for such trackpad. [TS]

  Apparently there may be or may not be a missing three finger drag and not that I was planning on buying a mac book [TS]

  but I am thinking like I said of buying one of the other machines that may have this trackpad and. [TS]

  I rely on three finger swipes to do spaces which I love [TS]

  and I'm assuming John you hate because you hate anything moving anywhere on your computer while I have spaces that I do [TS]

  it them. Why do you hate spaces because if I don't ask I'm going to wonder the rest of the episode. I just couldn't. [TS]

  While the animation is an annoyance but I also could never get a workflow. [TS]

  Set up where I didn't wander on which screen. [TS]

  Window Well I could never figure like this is going to be the screen for X. [TS]

  Is going to screen for why or if I tried to make a decision like that. Through using the system. [TS]

  I would inadvertently violate that by like accidently opening a web browser in this in the session. [TS]

  In the space that is not for that web browser like I just never. [TS]

  I just don't have a system for it so I just end up making it. Making me have to look for stuff in two places. [TS]

  And maybe it's just me maybe it's the way spaces work of course spaces of change how they work over the years [TS]

  but it's a simple click it I really just Same reason or not to monitor that is one big monitor. And that's it. [TS]

  I must say though I am surprised you know because you are such a such a window. [TS]

  Person and you're so into spatial organization of your windows. [TS]

  It does surprise me that both you don't want to second monitor [TS]

  and that also you don't want more space with spaces like the ideas I want everything to be within reach [TS]

  and if I have to like do a gesture. And also I don't use trackpad like OK for saying like. [TS]

  I think having that be only just when I use a very small laptop. [TS]

  I'm more likely to both go full screen at the new spaces because if you have that sort of swell. [TS]

  Swipe over to find something that is more natural but I don't use a track pad on my desktop [TS]

  and so then it's like control left or right arrow or whatever. [TS]

  It's a pretty easy shortcut I mean I know the like it just it just makes it feel like things are farther away from my [TS]

  reach it's like it's like putting things in a folder [TS]

  and you know the I Os home screen just makes things go farther away from me not because I rather have him on the same [TS]

  screen in a big jumbo pile than spread out in two different monitors. [TS]

  And this is the same reason why I can never use any mouse [TS]

  but the Magic Mouse because on the Magic Mouse of to to finger swipe to do the same action and. [TS]

  And so from what I'm being told and. From what I've seen in the chat just a moment ago. [TS]

  Apparently it's still possible but it's moved into accessibility preferences which is. [TS]

  We're you saw in the chat that you as well as the notes yes but now it's just another set. I know. [TS]

  But like you were like It may [TS]

  or may not be the notes say unequivocally with a link to a screenshot showing you where this option is in the excess [TS]

  ability process. I'm sorry I didn't do enough homework John. [TS]

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  Have anonymous tipster telling you it's like this guy look at a screen shot of the show not. [TS]

  Goodness right let last piece a follow up port motivation. Sent in by Mila. Yeah. [TS]

  This is another philosophical thing [TS]

  and it ties into sky like which are kept pushing often we talked about is the level we'll talk about a little later. [TS]

  This is from Apple's web site I believe the most efficient way to charge a notebook is by connecting to a charger port [TS]

  as long as we're going to include report for charging the new MacBook you want to make sure was the most advanced [TS]

  and versatile one available. This ties into Also Scholer during the saying you know. [TS]

  When's the most convenient a blogger cable and. This is a quote as that's when you want to charge quickly. [TS]

  What it means charge quickly. What do you mean the most efficient way to charge a notebook. [TS]

  Isn't the only way to charge a notebook. [TS]

  Charge quickly versus what is there a slower way to charge a notebook like that that you're plug it in right. [TS]

  It's so so people are saying this is like an indication of possible future inductive charging. [TS]

  Let me offer an alternative interpretation of those lines. [TS]

  I think the most efficient way to charge a notebook is possibly really it's a powerful. They made a point Phil said. [TS]

  It's the most energy efficient laptop. I think in the world right now. [TS]

  That's what that's what they said so it could just be you know because induction charging I believe is. [TS]

  We know it's lower I believe it's also less efficient like energy waste wise. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but. [TS]

  So you know it could be related to that. [TS]

  Do you think it's like the opposite like where they're saying other people may have wireless charging [TS]

  but the most efficient way to charge you know pokus by plugging it in is that [TS]

  when you're saying it's very possible that was what he meant and also when you want to plug it in charge quickly. [TS]

  Might have just met like. [TS]

  You know it's kind of reinforce the idea that a the battery life is so great that you're not going to need to spend a [TS]

  lot of time charging this. You're going to not be plugged in most of the time. [TS]

  So that you know you're going to be unplugged and wireless and free like like using i Pads and see. [TS]

  When you do plug in like. He didn't he didn't make it sound like a burden. [TS]

  So I think that's where those quotes are coming from I don't think they were like foreshadowing. [TS]

  A future of wireless charging notebooks which I still think for the most part are not a good idea because you have to [TS]

  set like might let your toothbrush charges inductively. And it can do that because it. It's sitting on the charger. [TS]

  The vast majority of its existence. The vast majority of every day it's on the charger and. [TS]

  It's a really low power device. A laptop does not fit that profile so for a laptop to be. [TS]

  Be able to be inductively charge you have to be able to get a ton of current in there. You know relative. [TS]

  Relative to most inductive charging systems. You have to get a ton of current in there from. [TS]

  From what some giant pad you stick it on a mean. Then you're to carry around a giant pad like there's. It's. [TS]

  It's one of those things. [TS]

  Sounds cool in theory but in reality I don't think it ever will hit that for laptops at least not for very long time. [TS]

  Well. [TS]

  This wireless charging business is [TS]

  and wireless stuff in general is part of Intel sky like initiative that you know they always have some technologies [TS]

  they're pushing along with their new chips or whatever that aren't really related. Technically. [TS]

  Sometimes there's some support in the C.P.U. For something or other or the chipset but anyway. [TS]

  Because this is part of their push it probably means that P.C. Makers are going to roll this out to some degree and. [TS]

  Maybe they'll be the ones to figure out like is this. [TS]

  Are we had a blind where this is something that people want to actually use yes [TS]

  or no I don't know if they read on Apple's choice of words here. All of your interpretations. [TS]

  You said Marco could be true. [TS]

  I think the one that probably seems the truest is the idea that they are not planning on doing wireless charger [TS]

  and they are preemptively pooh poohing the idea. [TS]

  By saying we all polling is way more efficient you don't want that crappy wireless stuff we're all about plugging in. [TS]

  You're going to want to plug in and that's why it's like when you want to charge quickly. [TS]

  Like that's when you want to plug into cable I don't know that. [TS]

  That interpretation rings the most true to me that they are. [TS]

  Because they know they don't have wireless charging available for sale now. And P.C. Makers will. And they probably. [TS]

  If they don't it's got that comes out in every P.C. [TS]

  Makers as I would also charges wireless here whenever Apple doesn't have an apple will want to emphasize the fact that [TS]

  they don't have a because it sucks. [TS]

  Like we could have made it [TS]

  but it was not good enough for us that's why we don't have it plugging in is way better right nobody wants to watch a [TS]

  video on an i Pod size screen right and like yeah. [TS]

  But if it is if they can get it to work better this is the things is what I have we're we're skipping out of the follow [TS]

  up and jumping right into the the topic here. Sky likes. Tech that they're promoting is not just wireless charging. [TS]

  But also this wide I which is not a new wireless display and why gig for faster shorter range display and. [TS]

  Why gig hubs for us be an ether net so like the idea is that you would just put your computer down on your desk. [TS]

  And they'll be a box on your desk with anything like able connect to it in a bunch of U.S.B. [TS]

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  You just put your laptop down next to it. And your monitor lights up with the picture from your laptop. [TS]

  And all your U.S.B. Devices that are there mount on the thing and you switch from from why five ether net. [TS]

  That is something that Apple would love that I think everyone would love and. [TS]

  Unlike wireless charging I don't see anything stopping these things from being any worse or [TS]

  and particularly worse than having to plug in a U.S.B. or Thunderbolt cable. [TS]

  As long as the band with is there and the technology works you know. [TS]

  That is an experience that office workers I think with love and would not want to go back to clipping their stupid P.C. [TS]

  Into a docking station or even even plugging in a single U.S.B. [TS]

  Cable it's more it's a nicer experience to sit down at your desk put your thing down as long as it's with. [TS]

  In five feet of that little box or good to go. That seems like the future to me go I agree. [TS]

  Every time I think about a thunderbolt display. I get jealous because I still have no regular old. [TS]

  Samsung display at home I we have Whitney of random displays at work and. [TS]

  It would be amazing to just have one thing that I plug everything into. [TS]

  And then that plugs into my computer or like you're saying John. [TS]

  Maybe no plugs at all it would be phenomenal [TS]

  and I gotta gotta be honest every time I see somebody just slam their Dell into one of these talking stations [TS]

  and suddenly they have Ethan displays and power and everything else. [TS]

  I get a little jealous I really do think I would say like the the. [TS]

  The no wires thing is so much more difficult and has so many potential issues and shortcomings. [TS]

  I would say the ideal scenario here is the one wire method which we we're now getting with us P.C. [TS]

  So I mean I think we're pretty much. You know we're there. Why do you think the no IRA solution has problems. [TS]

  It's like super short range it's like even shorter into the Bluetooth. [TS]

  Well because the new the new the issue of powering it like so you can have everything else except powers than how you [TS]

  power a new power in with some kind of induction. [TS]

  Oh no you're not the power of dogma I'm everything but the power I'm talking about just that's a big thing. [TS]

  I don't think it's a big a deal because I think the signals. [TS]

  Sending a wireless signals to these devices there's not going to be any is going to be less power than why five because [TS]

  the shorter range right so that the power is not a concern for the for the transmission in receiving [TS]

  and on the computer side. [TS]

  And if you're just worried about the fact that well now I'm sitting in Idaho not charging my mac. [TS]

  That is the whole idea of like all day battery power you just charged at the end of the day and I think that will. [TS]

  That will cure that already has cured itself for the bigger laptops that AMUN just want to talk about the thirteen inch [TS]

  MacBook There. That gets you know you can. You can work on our for entire day you are not plug it in and. [TS]

  If they can get the new MacBook up to that level which now it's probably borderline but it's close. [TS]

  Then that's not an issue anymore like your entire working you only time you plug it in is when you leave for the night. [TS]

  You know I mean. Yeah yeah I get it that's the dream. I think reality is going to be different for a long time. [TS]

  I think the modern laptops can make it through a day like I see people going to meetings. [TS]

  Bringing the lots are am a lot of people I know don't plug it in. During the day. [TS]

  If you have it your house you're not going anywhere then why not just plug it in so maybe this isn't attractive [TS]

  but for business. [TS]

  All I see all day are people with stupid docking stations are constantly plugging in [TS]

  or unplugging I think their big to display is the big one because [TS]

  when I said at the desk they don't want to use a little out that play they want to use the big one right. [TS]

  Or the multiple displays. [TS]

  And the constant plug on plug to be able to just plop down and use it their battery a less than eight hours that U.V. [TS]

  Wellness they have to run Photoshop or X. Code or flash. [TS]

  You know at the end I think there's a list the key is growing up like the apps that make your C.P.U. Suck. Yeah. [TS]

  Photoshop. [TS]

  I don't know if people are running back and forth the means of Photoshop all the time [TS]

  but I'm also dissing people who are typing all day so maybe assist the bias of being around a bunch of developers. [TS]

  Right that they're. [TS]

  You know their web browsing and typing all day [TS]

  and it's you know they're not having a piling code because it's like the code is on the server right. It's buncha. [TS]

  SH windows or whatever anyway. I think the. They wireless. Wireless display. [TS]

  And a wireless hub like that are very attractive to me even for at home use how I would use it with my gigantic fifty [TS]

  pound mac pro. [TS]

  Just I would have to have only stupid wires going all over the place like that is a luxury that I'd be willing to pay [TS]

  for just not that for my U.S.B. Hub. [TS]

  If that could be connected with why gig [TS]

  and I don't have to figure out how to fish all these wires all over the place I would buy that for a computer that [TS]

  never moves. [TS]

  Yeah but then you have to upgrade [TS]

  or macro which would never happen so you know I just I just thought some crazy ass thought hey I've got P.C.I. [TS]

  Slots for you I just put it now. Yeah I'm sure I'm sure that this technology will come in P.C.I. Express. [TS]

  Desktop slot format. Funny room in there. [TS]

  You know they have a whole daughter card I can but I bought a mac mini inside my macros case and you could fit. [TS]

  Of many magma keys inside your car is going to get rid of to optical drives a player a minute. Oh my God. [TS]

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  Is there anything else on Sky like or do you want to jump backwards in the notes to what to model lineup. [TS]

  Yeah that's a quickie left over from last week I think you can jump backwards that briefly. [TS]

  I put that in the jury mind me. This is kind of like a on the eve of the outer Apple Watch. [TS]

  Release to the general public. Tim Cook's first big new product category that. [TS]

  You know that everyone cares about his birth big test sort of getting out front of the shadow of Steve Jobs is no [TS]

  longer the steward of the company taking control over. I started thinking back on like what. [TS]

  What does Tim Cook Apple look like and how does it differ than Steve Jobs is Apple [TS]

  and one particular way that I see a lot of people bring up lately and as thinking about as well as. [TS]

  What is Tim Cook's philosophy about the model lineup for assist the of jobs [TS]

  and a lot of people talk about all the model line up is getting more complicated and Steve Jobs. [TS]

  Love to have simplified product line and. Tim Cook. [TS]

  Even though he goes on shows and says all the price can fit on this table. When you. [TS]

  People most likely has the Apple website just look at all these for going to options it's not like telecom yet [TS]

  but there's a lot more products and a lot more options. [TS]

  Grant of a lot of the eyes of the with the fashion in the watchband [TS]

  and selling laptops in different colors it's not really that big. [TS]

  But what made me think about most was when they introduced a new mac book. [TS]

  They didn't get rid of the errors in fact they revised them. [TS]

  And the history of Tim Cook's apple of introducing new models [TS]

  but keeping albums around both us part of like the overall i O. S. Strategy but also like for the Macs and stuff. [TS]

  A Steve Jobs style move would be to introduce the new MacBook and get rid of the errors. [TS]

  Why would he do that because the. The errors are crap. Even if they were upgrade they wouldn't be as good. [TS]

  This new one is the future of laptops. This is what you should be using this is the replacement for the errors. [TS]

  You know will solve the inventory you have but this is the future and people would complain that they would say but [TS]

  but but it doesn't do with the errors due here and that [TS]

  and there's no eleven inch model as love an inch MELHOR Thunderbolt and all these things. [TS]

  And the Steve Jobs philosophy was always when they come out with a new thing. [TS]

  Everyone get on board the new thing is the new thing and I can even look at the old thing [TS]

  and I came in look at that all this it was so disgusted to me that we just need to get out of line and. [TS]

  Tim Cook's philosophy is not like that Tim Cook's last the as far as I can tell is much more pragmatic to say although [TS]

  we think this is the best one and people should buy this. [TS]

  There's no harm in keeping the other ones around until we have replacement told in fact we can revise them to make them [TS]

  a little better yeah they're probably going to be phased out [TS]

  but in the meantime let's just keep selling them basically. [TS]

  If people are buying them keep selling and why are we taking away models that people want to buy [TS]

  and trying to force them to buy the model that we think they should buy. Right. [TS]

  And that I think if I'm even close in this [TS]

  and I don't have like huge dreams of supporting isn't just a general feeling from seeing the different model lines is [TS]

  one of the first things I've seen. [TS]

  That is a difference between Tim Cook's Apple and Steve Jobs level besides things like obviously their demeanor [TS]

  and the charitable contributions [TS]

  and all that other stuff that's kind of extracurricular like talk about the products and the product lines themselves. [TS]

  Tim Cook's Apple seems much more like a regular business in that they're not going to leave money on the table [TS]

  but pulling products that people still want to buy where Steve Jobs is Apple would pull products that people still want [TS]

  to buy basically for philosophical reasons because they can't stand to look at the old ones because the new one is [TS]

  better. [TS]

  And that's just what he wants to do see that is the strongest thing I felt about that can cook apple differs from Steve [TS]

  Jobs ABOL. [TS]

  I think in the history of all the little things that we've all talked about [TS]

  and I want to know if you guys like that you feel that as well are my crazy [TS]

  and Steve Jobs that exact of the same thing as Tim Cook is doing on Christmas remember. No I think. [TS]

  This seems different. During my tenure as an Apple fan. [TS]

  But I wonder if this has to do with him being a supply chain guy [TS]

  and not fearing that not to say that that's what motivated Steve. [TS]

  Because I think you're right I think Steve is motivated motivated by. [TS]

  This is the new hotness you will like it or you will screw off and. I think with him it's. [TS]

  It's a little like you had said John. Well what's going to hurt. And I think it's a lot of. [TS]

  Well I know it's not going to hurt anything because I used to do this and I know how the supply chain works [TS]

  and I know that this. We can handle this. [TS]

  I mean does that sound reasonable enough not supply them is like being counting about it that's that's a project of [TS]

  like it's not going to make if you're just cents here because like Apple did keep all the models around. [TS]

  When they had to it people in general point like they would they would often say this model will still be available [TS]

  but only for education purposes like Steve Jobs wasn't totally out of touch with the needs of the customers of their [TS]

  some big important customer base which used to be education back and they were saying like well. [TS]

  Education really needs this or we're going to keep selling it but we're only going to sell to education. [TS]

  Rather than selling it to everybody in that. [TS]

  You know [TS]

  and I'm sure there have been cases where Steve Jobs did not immediately wipe out the new model with the old models with [TS]

  the new. But when he could. [TS]

  You could tell that you felt from him that he wanted you to like this new one as much as he does [TS]

  and part of helping you along that path would be to take away the old one so your only choice is the new one right. [TS]

  I mean I think this is kind of a combination of factors you know part of it is probably the Tim Cook. [TS]

  You know method or Tim Cook's principles. Coming up and you know where this is the way he chooses to run things. [TS]

  I think though this did start. [TS]

  Under Steve to just corresponded with the rise of Tim Cook's authority and power in the company. [TS]

  And as Steve started having more severe medical issues. In his last few years as Tim. You know ran more of the company. [TS]

  You know so it might have been that overlap. [TS]

  I think it's also a sign of of Apple just maturing as a company they now have way more customers and they did before. [TS]

  They have products to spend much larger price ranges you know the old the old small product lines were all expensive. [TS]

  Now they have prices that now they have like products that start at moderate prices and go into expensive. [TS]

  So you know they have you know more product lines. [TS]

  And also a lot of the technology really has slowed down I mean the phones keep advancing. [TS]

  You know pretty pretty aggressively although even that started to learn a little bit. [TS]

  But leave look at the MAC books and the mac in general advancement in P.C.'s has been and. [TS]

  I'm including Macs in that advancement in P.C.'s has been pretty slow in the last five or ten years. The S.S.D. [TS]

  Transition was the big thing that happened. And retina is happening you know. Mostly but it's happening more slowly. [TS]

  Will both of those weapons will be but like. Once you go retina an S.S.D. Those are two big jumps. And then like C.P.U. [TS]

  Use of kind of gone nowhere in the last few years that they've made very small improvements at best. You know. [TS]

  Everything's kind of like not a not a standstill but certainly slowing down. And so you know. [TS]

  Hardware that was perfectly fine. A few years ago. Is still perfectly fine today. [TS]

  The difference between between like the performance of the mac book air versus the performance of the fifteen inch. [TS]

  Matters a lot less. Today. [TS]

  You know from what most people do so there's all these like it just seems like the hardware has gotten so good that [TS]

  there's you don't need to be as big of a rush to get rid of the old stuff. And the new stuff isn't. [TS]

  So dramatically much better that everyone is forced or everyone is strongly encouraged to buy it instead. [TS]

  There's still room in the lineup and so by keeping old lines around [TS]

  or by keeping more lines around than the original you know Steve for boxes thing. I think it just allows them to serve. [TS]

  Way more customers. [TS]

  In a way that doesn't necessarily hurt anybody it's not really that confusing for the most part you know occasionally [TS]

  there's there's like some weird overlap but usually it's resolved within a couple years. [TS]

  I guessing for the most part this is just sign of both the P.C. Industry and Apple. Maturing. [TS]

  I don't know if it's a maturing thing but like the. [TS]

  Because I don't I can't decide which is which is particularly better which which shows more maturity because this. [TS]

  The type of thing of keeping products around is just like lots of business always does like. [TS]

  It's not it's not a new phenomenon it's not a sign of a young [TS]

  or old company all companies go because it's basically a smarter business perspective like people want to give you [TS]

  money for product keep selling it to them until it doesn't make sense for yourself home for years not enough people buy [TS]

  it like the seventeen inch MacBook or whatever whatever was called and I want to I didn't go away. [TS]

  I'm assuming for philosophical reasons when are a lot of people buy I'm right. [TS]

  Let's you know why the macro didn't get updated for a long time you know like volumes can make your disk into your [TS]

  product line but when you how something like this for the new MacBook comes out and like. [TS]

  It basically obsolete all the other the air like it should have just been called [TS]

  and like people expected to call in air and wipe out all the as they like this is. [TS]

  This is a discontinuity in the same way the first air was a discontinuity in the first year nobody was it's constantly [TS]

  in the laptop design is clearly this is the spearhead of the new design philosophy for laptops like. [TS]

  There's been generations that is good Rev Dr driven and the retina. And then you know then this is like. I would. [TS]

  It's like you know. Aluminum aluminum you know body. First AD. You know. [TS]

  Aluminum and then I guess first there was the first you know bodies of two and one. [TS]

  And then And then this and this is like totally removing ports. Slim at all cost. [TS]

  Retina like has has the screen of the pros. But the power and size of the areas. [TS]

  And like it's such an overlap like why can't you understand keeping like maybe an old thing around [TS]

  or a cheaper thing around or the non-threatening one rank is cheaper [TS]

  but like the overlap with the heiress is insane with this thing like. It's like what. What do you. [TS]

  It doesn't send a clear method are you saying this is the can. [TS]

  Future of things that you can still buy the other ones why would I bother the ones [TS]

  when your novels are how they explained you to choose between the. [TS]

  I guess it's like the crappy screen versus non crappy screen but why keep around the ball at the crack of screen like. [TS]

  I totally believe not that again not this makes it good or bad [TS]

  but I totally believe that Steve Jobs would have gotten rid of the errors like you were sold out the M. [TS]

  and Tori and the new MacBook go to come out. [TS]

  And that would have taken a spawn a line for a while the line would not be correctly proportion [TS]

  but eventually they would all convert and everything would be fine. [TS]

  Instead the Tim Cook model [TS]

  and philosophy is of course you keeps on the air as eventually we won't eventually they'll go away obviously we're not [TS]

  going to keep reading that line probably [TS]

  or if we do they're going to they're going to transform to be things that have wonder your U.S.B. Seaports on right. [TS]

  Like no one expects the arest the next version of the heirs to still have thunderbolt ports on them right like they're [TS]

  going to all look like the new MacBook and so will the pros eventually in terms of the port layout [TS]

  and everyone not that is the new design philosophy is just weird to see. I'm co-existing I think the. [TS]

  The jobs philosophy is bolder [TS]

  and sort of expresses the intent of Apple like their vision of technology out into the world in a way. [TS]

  In a stronger way. [TS]

  In the same way that annoys people who take away their products it sends a message to everyone else alike. [TS]

  This is our vision of the future and we are leading right. And then Tim Cook way is more sort of. [TS]

  This is our vision of the future but we understand if you're not ready for it yet. [TS]

  We also have another product it's actually pretty darn good you can still buy it. Eventual you they'll go away. [TS]

  It seems more chill and. It's was exciting to me as an observer. [TS]

  It's probably better for the business business why short term I don't know if it's better long term if taken to its [TS]

  logical conclusion. [TS]

  Where you just sell models forever until people stop buying them because I think people will continue to buy models [TS]

  that they quote unquote shouldn't. [TS]

  For a long time [TS]

  and sometimes you have to sort of heard them along to the new model by taking away the old model the same time you [TS]

  bring in the new ones you know that's fair I mean I think maybe a lot of it might have to do with how much of a [TS]

  compromise in certain ways the new one is for the album like The Great example I think of Steve killing off an old [TS]

  product. When the new and came out was the i Pad at the i Pod mini go at the i Pod Nano. [TS]

  That was like the comical example of like [TS]

  and he even said onstage is like the i Pod mini like our best selling i Pod ever and we're discontinuing to today. [TS]

  And people were kept buying the many if they kept selling it it came in more colors. [TS]

  People loved it the form factor in every even though you looked like Who the hell would buy this thing [TS]

  when the Nano is out even though the now scratches like hell right. [TS]

  But yeah that would buy the thing when the Nano is available. [TS]

  People would keep buying them because they like him and you know yellow and pink [TS]

  or whatever they can gold right versus Golding right. [TS]

  And like by making that decision it wasn't just bold in showing their vision the future. It was. [TS]

  Forcing the world to move on faster than they would have otherwise which is upsetting to some people. [TS]

  But has that you know it's the advantage that Bill has that they can sort of heard their customer base along at a [TS]

  faster clip than everybody else because they're not afraid to take away. Products The customer still like. [TS]

  Well but in that example of the i Pod Mini the Nano like the way the Nano was worse than the many [TS]

  or more limiting were very small it had less capacity [TS]

  but not by a whole I think it was like six gigs versus For some like that like it was it was it was a relatively small [TS]

  drop in capacity for the first and profit of scratch dollar and. [TS]

  That's all saying if you're saying this is a bold new vision [TS]

  and if your first gen project has some sort of problems like oh all of us by the open always I can't detect that one [TS]

  away. [TS]

  Well the for the most part you know I don't think people are doing that kind of calculus of like oh well let me just [TS]

  you know wait till the problems surface and by the old [TS]

  and I don't think anybody except you put that much thought into that but like that was nice [TS]

  and easy transition to force because the new one was a lot better in some really critical ways. And the old. [TS]

  And it wasn't and the ways in which it was worse than the old one or more linen. Were fairly minor. Whereas with. [TS]

  When you look at something like. Now the new MacBook versus the MacBook Air. [TS]

  The ways in which it is worse are more limiting than the old one. [TS]

  Are pretty big Still it's pretty substantial like the port differences are massive the keyboard might be significantly [TS]

  worse we don't know yet will see. [TS]

  And then in these new ways it is way better it is you know Stener lighter somewhat longer battery life in the at least [TS]

  the eleven inch probably. It's also although unfortunately it's also probably a lot slower. C.P.U. Wise. [TS]

  So you know there's this one. I think it's. You can look at at the you know the. The easy transition. [TS]

  Of the i Pod Mini to nano that that's a no brainer. Is the mac book Air two new Macbook. I think forcing that. [TS]

  People not leave no option behind until some of the stuff shakes out and matures. [TS]

  That would be I think a lot more damaging especially because the next book airline. [TS]

  Maybe not eleven I don't know but probably thirteen. That's probably their best selling computer. [TS]

  That's the Tim Cook reason not the right of the people as the buying the time of them [TS]

  and like to see of Jobs me like I don't care i meet again the. [TS]

  I Pod many people are buying it on and I'm thinking of even more boring one like.. [TS]

  When the the I figure what you want to call the the I'm act with the big metal arm with the first flat panel i Mac. [TS]

  Are that one. [TS]

  Yeah right so the previous IMAX with the C.R.T.'s with all the pretty colors people were kept buying them too [TS]

  especially if they were slightly cheaper or got slightly cheaper in the thing came out [TS]

  and probably were not going to do again this week but the Apple T.V. Is another example. [TS]

  Do you think they'll keep selling the sixty nine dollars one when the new one comes out. Maybe. [TS]

  I think they've already told us they will. [TS]

  As a temp cook kind of thing to do right but at the of jobs thing is this is the new Apple T.V. [TS]

  In the old one has gone this is the new I'm not going the all I'm ACAS gone right. [TS]

  Well I believe the whole thing everyone's jumping on about how they said. The Apple T.V. [TS]

  Starting at six you know I think that tells you right there that that that I don't think you need to see that to know [TS]

  that a new Apple T.V. Is going to look if they're going to do the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Is a product they have to revise it sometime. [TS]

  And when they dropped over the drop the price on the old one of course they're going to know that [TS]

  but I'm saying that I think indicates that you know. [TS]

  It's not going to this is going to say this is going to be for sale at this price. [TS]

  And then for you know six months or whatever and then be discontinued. [TS]

  I think they're going to it's akin to be the bottom of the line. [TS]

  It's going to keep being sold for ever going to have a five. Look they're still selling the for can i Pod Touch. [TS]

  Less updated in what twenty twelve and on yeah. That's less like this this type of this type of philosophy. [TS]

  The tempo examples was of a and maybe a talent of Steve Jobs of a lawsuit was. [TS]

  You keep selling products as long as people keep wanting to buy them. Within reason. [TS]

  Like you know that eventually not of people want to buy them [TS]

  or you there's no place in your model your product line for it [TS]

  but if they're still placing a product line well just you know like the i Pod That's why they still even exist. Well. [TS]

  I mean they don't sell a lot of them we see their sales number it's not as does the tons of people selling them [TS]

  but enough people are buying them that it's like well why not. [TS]

  Whereas at this point I think Steve Jobs would have lost faith in the. I Pod Touch is a product. Yes canned it. [TS]

  I mean they're still selling the. The non Breton a MacBook Pro with the with the D.V.D. [TS]

  Rom drive I know I know with the optical drive again because like optical drives we're taking the also guys away soon [TS]

  they'll be gone from all our products except this one thing will linger on forever. [TS]

  Because we know that is somehow enough people who want to buy it with an optical drive is not just educated like [TS]

  education nothing like corporate sales or education where it's like we demand this and we're a big customer. [TS]

  You know they've always been able to you know sudden Fashoda happens to make specific products. [TS]

  Just for education like that's how important education was as a customer. [TS]

  Now that was keep other ones around but they're just you know how being the woman the CD drive in it [TS]

  or having non retina not book still for sale [TS]

  or having their still for sale it's not so much that it confuses the line [TS]

  but it is definitely not like Apple clearly speaking out and saying this is the future these are our products and. [TS]

  I think Tim Cook's table where he keeps all the products. Is going to have to be a pretty darn big table pretty soon. [TS]

  Yeah I mean that that that that that big glass watch box takes up probably half the table now. [TS]

  You know the watches you can put in a jumble in a pile but you don't have all the different varieties of mac books [TS]

  and the big IMAX and the icing but the two back Pres anyway. [TS]

  The color of of like the i Pad and everything that does each color Council although if you. [TS]

  If you line i Pads up like a bookshelf like on the on there and when they just you know. [TS]

  Stick them between exact stack of the stackable but yeah. [TS]

  I guess you could stack a laptop so I think that's a strategy. [TS]

  The three day strike you start stacking it all of our products. Fold flat except for I guess the i Macin. [TS]

  The tubes we kind of stacked like cordwood. So you can get a whole table. [TS]

  Someone should do that someone who had too much money. [TS]

  Should say how big a table do you need to put all their products Apple sells in [TS]

  and I mean all of them I want all the colours all the bands for all the watches all the different models of i Pads of a [TS]

  different. Why five and you know of the colours of the i Pad. Anyway. [TS]

  That was my thought of them on the model at the last. All right. We good. [TS]

  Let's before we forget since it's a sense of been an entire show plus an entire hour. [TS]

  Since the intent of thing was an ounce and we still haven't talked about it. Let's talk about than Tendo thing now. [TS]

  All right so John. Who didn't intend to sell to. Nobody insult anybody they did a partnership deal with D.N.A. [TS]

  Which is spelled capital D. Lower case the capital and capital as a Instead of day knowledge better. [TS]

  I've been thinkin and my head. I guess that you're right makes a lot more sense. [TS]

  At the end I and as a partnership with them their company that makes mobile games [TS]

  and this is basically an intended saying we don't know how to make mobile games. We need mobile games quickly. [TS]

  We don't have time to learn how to make mobile games. [TS]

  Therefore this company that we're going to partner with will make Mohe aims for us using our intellectual property. [TS]

  I would imagine and intend. [TS]

  Is still in a position strong enough to make this partnership the way they usually do which is. [TS]

  You will make a game for us. [TS]

  But we will tell you that your game is crappy and tell you how to change is sort of like [TS]

  when Retro Studios made Metroid Prime. [TS]

  All right or a studio to make a Metro front right you know they're making Metroid Prime and then me emoticons [TS]

  and tells them how their game sucks and how they have to change it. [TS]

  And they repeat that President over and over again until me a motor is satisfied [TS]

  and then you get to release what you call Metroid Prime as like. [TS]

  We want you to do the part that you're good at which is we have no idea how to do this mobile. [TS]

  Development stuff but I would imagine that Nintendo is still in the car. [TS]

  You know same kind of addition apple then with its suppliers. [TS]

  We are Nintendo will tell you when you've done a good enough job this partnership deal heavily favors us. [TS]

  But it is a partnership deal. This is not a strength move. This is a week. [TS]

  Is a sign of weakness a sign that we we need Any. [TS]

  Our products aren't selling because we made bad choices when we designed them. [TS]

  We need games we need revenue we can ignore mobile we also can't make mobile games on our own I think partnering is [TS]

  probably a good idea because intended shown they're fairly incompetent all the parts of making games except the part [TS]

  where you play the game like networking. Friend systems the equivalent of X. [TS]

  Box Live type stuff app store trying to buy digitally buy games from intend I was like pulling teeth. [TS]

  Like have to have they never would you know the joke is always like that all the internals employees are never allowed [TS]

  to use any other game system nor they allowed to have smartphones. [TS]

  They're probably not also allowed to use the Internet. [TS]

  And that's why they have no idea how the rest of the world works. [TS]

  You know if you find yourself entering friend codes are trying to buy something from the shop [TS]

  and going through eight thousand steps are trying to transfer your stuff from one of the tennis platforms to another [TS]

  and taking the millions that sure that involving swapping as the cards [TS]

  or realizing that your games are tied to your hardware. [TS]

  Not to use your account which is just mind boggling and it's wrong this and craziness [TS]

  and being out of step with the rest of the industry. [TS]

  All that leads me to believe that they made the right move by partnering. [TS]

  But it's not a strength move it's kind of a sad situation. [TS]

  And I don't I'm not quite sure what's going to come of it a partner should be able to mean anything by having announced [TS]

  any games all they said is all of an intended intellectual property that for grabs. [TS]

  And hopefully some fruit will come from this. In the future of all is that by the whether or not porting their games. [TS]

  Which means this company is going to be making new games so don't expect. [TS]

  Insert your favorite intend no game here is going to appear on your old phone because it's not there absolutely not [TS]

  porting any of their games. [TS]

  Which means they have to make new games [TS]

  and those new games I think are not going to be what intended fans want it's not like oh God I would love it to the [TS]

  side scrolling Metroid on my phone. [TS]

  I'm thinking that's not what you're going to get like me going to get something more like the pokémon shuffle game [TS]

  they made for it was a for the three D.S. That's like. It's a simpler. [TS]

  Mobile style focused game using intend all that intellectual property. [TS]

  But it is not let me just take what I think of as a typical intended console or handheld game. [TS]

  And shove it onto him of all because A That wouldn't work [TS]

  and B That's just not what this partnership seems like it's about to me. Well I think it. [TS]

  I don't think that's a big of a problem as some people are going to say because Nintendo's fans are already buying [TS]

  their stuff. This is not to attract intended fans. To suddenly start playing tennis games on their smartphones. [TS]

  Because if your intent of fan you already have one of their systems or at least weather systems [TS]

  and you know you're already buying all the little plastic sets or isn't everything and you're fine. [TS]

  This is trying I was sume. This is trying to attract new customers who don't who aren't yet Nintendo fans. [TS]

  And this I think is going to be a real uphill battle for them. I really don't see this succeeding. [TS]

  I mean I could be wrong I'm wrong about a lot of things but I think this is going to be tough because you know. [TS]

  The risk of the games being crappy. Or at least. Nothing special is very high. You know as you said. It sounds like. [TS]

  Nintendo's basically you know I mean that they bought a chunk of the of D.N.A. [TS]

  So you know they're serious about it but I think that these are big going to be D.N.A. [TS]

  Games that happen to include into new characters on them. [TS]

  Well that's what I was getting into me I'm out of coming is calling them because their game is not good enough because [TS]

  I imagine like this partnership. [TS]

  Whatever the deal that they buy ten percent of the company [TS]

  and it's like the partnership Nintendo is the senior partner here. By a lot. [TS]

  And so they have a lot of control over how. Like. Because they're saying you can use any of our IP. [TS]

  I think the Senate is still going to be very protective of his IP and not inclined to release a game that's terrible [TS]

  and I think you're right about like this is aimed at it's money that's been left in the tables and look. [TS]

  These people are never going to buy into no council. But they would totally willingly buy a one dollar. [TS]

  I.O.'s game featuring Marielle. Why are we not taking their money. [TS]

  It's not even like we expect them to go out and buy a three D. S. [TS]

  There were US just like they will buy this I was game. It won't cost us that much to make it. [TS]

  Why are we not making it for them. [TS]

  It's not like we're saying oh we're going to make this game is that a Instead of a new real Mario game we're going to [TS]

  go to games that have a new console Metra know they're going to still make all those games. [TS]

  But why are we not taking these people's money or looking of the nicer way. [TS]

  Wiring not giving them some cute little you know. [TS]

  Mobile game featuring our characters to play why not what is you know. [TS]

  And the reason was because we have no idea how to do that and we're really bad. [TS]

  Making that those parts of the games but we don't need to build those activities and house. [TS]

  We don't need to be distract our engineers from there you know working on next generation [TS]

  and help flesh consol project. We can just partner with this. And then we can drive this partner who is the. [TS]

  The junior partner to make sure that they are respectable our intellectual property [TS]

  and release a game that is the very least a good game [TS]

  and is confident is going to set the world on fire is going to be graded maybe one even sells much cross hero. [TS]

  but it will. I think they'll be profitable. Right because D.N.A. [TS]

  Like I said already already has the ability to make these games. [TS]

  The intellectual property is the real valuable thing and that's what's going to make someone buy this game versus. [TS]

  You know any other random game with less recognizable characters in the secondary effect is. [TS]

  Possibly it could have the effect of scrubbing at least I was story clean of the million games that have pictures of [TS]

  Marienfeld and them. Well. [TS]

  So the idea that that people will value these games higher because they have intend to IP and them. [TS]

  I'm not sure that's a given out at the it's a given they will they will buy them more I don't though value them higher [TS]

  but the. Or be more likely to buy them. Well some people who we want to buy them. [TS]

  But like I would bet the vast majority of people who buy games I us have never heard of Mario. [TS]

  They don't everybody sort of morrow. More people or be alert and then Mickey Mouse. [TS]

  I would bet that the average age of Iowa violence game buyers is low. First of all. Lower than you know. Thirty five. [TS]

  You know. Lower than us basically. But by a significant amount. [TS]

  And if if the people they're trying to attract are new fans who don't already have Nintendo alliance or allegiance. [TS]

  They've probably never own intend of system. [TS]

  Not that they're new fans it's that there are people who it's like the same way the aware of Mickey Mouse maybe you [TS]

  never go to Disney World. It's like I'm never going to buy a Nintendo console cause I'm an X. Box guy. [TS]

  But I heard all those intended characters and if that. And I will buy a one dollar game. [TS]

  And I'm more likely to buy the one dollar game that has Mary [TS]

  when in fact the marrow one dollar game is more likely to be advertised to be featured for my friends to Bought it is [TS]

  just it's. It is the intellectual property drives this. [TS]

  And as you said or it could drive it in a way that you make people buy crappy games [TS]

  and hoping the games at least be reasonable but it's. [TS]

  It's not like you're trying to convert them [TS]

  and sell here in to find people who've never heard of him are your fine people who yeah I've heard of Mary [TS]

  but I'm still not going to buy Nintendo console. But you will tap the button for ninety nine cents.. [TS]

  Also you forget Marco that. Console's least the way I define them aren't necessarily tied to a T.V. [TS]

  I mean there are good zillion handheld Nintendo devices out there and. [TS]

  As far as I knew even reasonably little kids today are still using like three D.S. Is and things like that. [TS]

  I don't John you could probably tell me better than the three D.S. [TS]

  Is that has been more successful than the review which is not saying much because the radio's been variance [TS]

  and did rumors of The Next Generation Project there. [TS]

  These are old rumors Who knows with Beltre now is the idea that they would be unifying their platform so that they're [TS]

  not so different to develop for. [TS]

  Whether that means they're going to really something that works with a handheld system but can also. Look up your T.V. [TS]

  or Whether it just means of they're going to use the same underlying technology so there's not this Gulf. [TS]

  So they have to develop a game twice because the. You know in the same way that desktop and laptop. [TS]

  Performance has been becoming closer. Now handheld performance and least in the way he was gay. [TS]

  You can imagine intent on making with single reading a game that runs both on their T.V. [TS]

  Connected console and on their hand held one whether those are two separate devices or not. [TS]

  Basically because handheld console have good good enough graphics now that you wouldn't be embarrassing them on the [TS]

  T.V. [TS]

  and That was that as you know many years ago that was not the case they've been converging towards each other so that [TS]

  has little to do with this I think this is entirely to do with. [TS]

  What about the people who are never going to buy are plenty of those type of games they only will they will only ever [TS]

  buy games on their phone. [TS]

  Why are we not selling them something right know I'm responding to Marco saying nobody knows who Mario is in somebody's [TS]

  words and. I think that a lot more people know who Mario is even today even young people than you would suspect. [TS]

  Another thing that I don't think we're considering is. I've got to imagine that. If Nintendo released an avid game. [TS]

  In the App Store. [TS]

  That Apple will fall all over them and they'll be featured in the be all sorts of app store marketing and. [TS]

  I suspect that you will definitely see that all over the App Store. [TS]

  I just saw a screenshot today on Twitter of a game called Apple Watch it. Which is a great name. [TS]

  Apple space watch space it exclamation point. [TS]

  And the icon is link as an intended intellectual property that's the icon for the out by the way. [TS]

  Shooting arrow in the game I think it's like using using Linked In The Game. [TS]

  To shoot an arrow off the head of somebody so it's got the Apple Watch. Like you know keyword trolling. [TS]

  And it's getting intended electoral property in the friggin icon and in the game. [TS]

  And that is like on the App Store right now you know underscore tweeted that earlier. Like. [TS]

  I spent ten just I mean I know it's not clear sponsibility to police these things but no it is. [TS]

  You would think that Nintendo would wake up like an intent of going to hire one person all day just to go through the [TS]

  store and just send these and desist letters [TS]

  and like because you know they'll Apple take them off the store in a second. [TS]

  They used to do all that but they will they will take. I mean. All they need. [TS]

  It's bureaucracy all you need is your own bureaucrat to communicate with their bureaucrats and bureaucratese [TS]

  and everything would be great if Nintendo could get the sweet deal that music and video. [TS]

  Copyright owners have with You Tube where You Tube does the policing for them and just take down anything that has. [TS]

  That looks like it might be copyrighted in any way. It like preemptively takes it down. [TS]

  Well that's partly because I mean You Tube was a platform that was created [TS]

  and thrived on completely ripping off everything from everybody. [TS]

  I mean I know it's different now but that's like that's its origin in the fact that they'll do it preemptively [TS]

  and on behalf like Apple system is the one actually that makes sense it's like look it's not our job to police your [TS]

  intellectual property if you see someone following your intellectual property tell us and even then Apple will favour. [TS]

  Will assume that you are right [TS]

  and take down I think like You Tube The big thing is like those edges the every frame a painting. [TS]

  Channel on You Tube which is great by the way. [TS]

  He puts up videos of you know the talk about scenes from films and of course. [TS]

  You know all the videos have scenes from different movies [TS]

  but it's fair use because like he's using it to talk about film right he's not putting the entire movie up [TS]

  but there is a scene from the movie in the video and it is always get taken down. [TS]

  There is that automatically get taken down for copyright violations [TS]

  and then he has to go through this bureaucratic process where they tell me I've taken down here to fill out a form [TS]

  and say it's very use and then they deny him and you go back and forth and back [TS]

  and forth eventual they go back up after like three days a week a month. [TS]

  It's terrible that like you are a spree sume to guilty and have to prove your innocence. [TS]

  And it's not even proving is this just a big machine sending out like. [TS]

  We notice that you're using copyright stuff we take you down immediately. If you think this is an error. [TS]

  Please fill out these eighteen forms and fight with this record company. Movie studio or whatever. [TS]

  Until they give up like and the movie star really cared. They're going to say. [TS]

  We're taking it all but a court and I knew then they win because you can't afford to hire a lawyer. [TS]

  But for the most part just a matter of filling out forms repeatedly to get you to bring it back up but anyway. [TS]

  What I'm getting as an intended should at least have somebody looking at the friggin started filling out the forms [TS]

  right. Instead of just letting them linger there because they you know this. [TS]

  This shows that it was in tennis blindspot. Why are you pretending mobile games don't exist on phones. [TS]

  Why can't you put something there. Which is very different than the idea. In tender you should stop making. [TS]

  Consols you start making handheld you should start making games that work on consuls and handheld [TS]

  and concert entirely and making games that work on mobile devices which is not what they're doing. [TS]

  But the fact that they have to go do this. [TS]

  Basically for the survival of the company to say there is money available out there that we're not taking. [TS]

  And we need to take it because we're not doing that hot because nobody's buying we use [TS]

  and not many people buying three D.S. Is. That's kind of set. Yeah but I don't I mean. [TS]

  We'll see again I'm wrong a lot but I don't think this is going to solve that problem. Well. They still have. [TS]

  I mean their root problem is still the same. You need to go again as I said in the one times in the past. [TS]

  If there exists a market for devices that mostly pay games. It is possible for Apple or Apple for an. [TS]

  No to do well in that market doesn't it's not guaranteed. [TS]

  But it is possible because they have all the skills necessary to do well enough and that market. [TS]

  Minus a few that they can kind of learn if they get their act together right. [TS]

  But if we ever get to the point where there is no way to do that we're all. [TS]

  Where you cannot be a company that sells things that mostly play games. [TS]

  They're screwed because they get there can't feel the phone platform [TS]

  or they'd have to go Sagan say all we do now is make software for other people's platforms. [TS]

  I OS Android whatever else are out there and they were great for sig. Exactly right and so you know about it right now. [TS]

  There is definitely a market for home console decks loss one to Play Station four doing well in ten years not doing [TS]

  well because they made a bad product that people don't want. So well no they have a second chance. Next. [TS]

  Is there going to be a next generation of consuls will there be a Playstation five a next box know what the hell [TS]

  they're going in the next one that's their problem. Whatever. If there is a next generation or product X. Box ten. [TS]

  Yeah why not want to just get to ten like Windows. Nintendo may have a second shot at this right. And that's very the X. [TS]

  Thing. [TS]

  Are going to make the same stupid mistakes [TS]

  but they're with their next shot hopefully not wholly they will learn from their past mistakes. [TS]

  That's that's the root problem it's like. This is kind of keeping the boat afloat and maybe getting some money. [TS]

  And maybe you know try me you can imagine like. [TS]

  If they do this well like they can be interactions where there's an I.R.S. [TS]

  Game that interacts with the game that is available on the way you feel like companion apps type of things they do that [TS]

  like mac apps with as a companion. I OS app or websites as a companion I always thought like. [TS]

  That's a potential market as well. [TS]

  But this is all just kind of like let's keep the lights on and fund our next thing [TS]

  but the real the real proof of whether Nintendo is going to go the route of Sega or be resurgent is is. [TS]

  There are next generation of Consols and if there is doesn't intend to do a good job [TS]

  and the rumors of the Nintendos is because the we use done so terribly is going to be like yeah yeah we will make the [TS]

  games we said we're going to make for it but we're kind of in a hurry to sort of shuffle the way you off the stage [TS]

  and show you our next thing like that they will be the first ones out of the gated. P.S. or An X. [TS]

  Box One will go link gone many many years after Nintendo has already revved to do the next generation console [TS]

  but we'll see if the have to make a good console this ought to make good games that people want to play. [TS]

  They have to make the right choices. That's that's what the future of the company is staked on not so much this deal. [TS]

  So before we go I have curiosity. If you had to pick one. Existing piece of IP to be made into an I O. S. [TS]

  Game what would that be and I missed the obvious answer is all that because I know you love it so much [TS]

  but I'm not sure if perhaps you think something else would translate better. [TS]

  I don't think fellow would translate particularly well either. [TS]

  The problem is all the intellectual property that I really care about from Nintendo. I like. [TS]

  Because of the games they were featured in and most of those games are console games [TS]

  and console games tend not to translate well to a touchscreen or to like. I was type gaming. You know. [TS]

  The reason that the John raised the do well and I O. S. [TS]

  Are what they are like they're not the same genres that do well on councils [TS]

  or on P.C.'s because it's just a different play environment like internet runners Tower Defense Board games all those. [TS]

  John rose. Work on a tiny little touch screen. None of those genres of the genres that you know. Metroid or Zelda. [TS]

  Or even Mario Plec platform doesn't work that well. [TS]

  On how well the other like it's the degenerate that become popular on each platform become popular reason so I think. [TS]

  There's no particular enjoy actual property that I think would translate. Really well maybe Starfox. [TS]

  Because there are some sort of flying around games but honestly I think it's. [TS]

  It's more like what Marco was saying only not quite cynical version where it's like they're going to make a game not [TS]

  going to say this is the silly example like make a match for a game of Poland Tendo characters in the little things [TS]

  right that's that's the silly cynical example like. Not that bad but similar. [TS]

  Some kind of infinite run [TS]

  or some kind of tower defense game some kind of board game where the bunching intended faces on things [TS]

  but actually done well because all those honors can be done when the poor realm poke out those adventure. [TS]

  It's kind of like an infinite runner but if you do a really really good job with it. [TS]

  It can stand head and shoulders above the other games. That do similar things right. [TS]

  Same thing with all the other John Ritter popular mobile so. [TS]

  I'm my ties the Nintendo [TS]

  and so I should probably have almost nothing to do with the character isn't everything to do with the games they appear [TS]

  in because those games have been exemplary. That is what that's why Sonic is not valued anymore. [TS]

  No one cares about sonic if he repeatedly appears in crap games then you're like you know what Sonic suck science [TS]

  doesn't suck. The games featuring him sucked. [TS]

  Why do people care about Mary who carries his friggin Plumber is not a you know. [TS]

  Because they make awesome games they respect that IP so much they do not allow Mario to being. [TS]

  Again he's in a real Mario platform game. They polish the hell out of a game. That's why you know. Super three D. [TS]

  World and America galaxy area that's why I feel still of America's i know when I see him in a game and he is [TS]

  and it's a real narrow game at the platform [TS]

  or it is going to be an amazingly good game worries me sonic And again you're like why even bother it's going to be [TS]

  crap. And it is my worry for Nintendo is you know. You keep saying which I think is a good argument that. [TS]

  You know that they as long as they can do well. [TS]

  So they can still survive as long as there is a market for dedicated console. Things basically. [TS]

  My worry is that the things that they are not good at what you were saying earlier you know like all the social [TS]

  and online an app store kind of thing. If you look at what the people who still buy consuls today. [TS]

  What do they value what's important. What succeeds. Among the kind of consul the sell well today. [TS]

  I think that like Nintendo has really suffered in so many of those areas that matter a lot today. [TS]

  And so much of what intend to used to have a total monopoly on which was like like kind of nerd high quality [TS]

  and casual gaming. So much of that has moved to mobile. [TS]

  And so what you're left with on the console side is people who like first person shooters a lot. [TS]

  And people who really want. [TS]

  Online play and online app stores and stuff like that so like the console market still exists. [TS]

  But it has taken itself in a direction where intend to really sucks at. [TS]

  And the parts of of gaming intent is always been very good at. [TS]

  I think it disproportionate amount of those have moved to mobile for casual gaming. That's part of the D.N.A. [TS]

  Deal actually of the product highlighted in this final thing like intended or has tried to various times. [TS]

  To implement what I think is everyone. Like they should gestate children. How do online accounts work. [TS]

  How does that work when you buy things under an account. Like listen Dad. [TS]

  You have an account where you buy things has touched the account. [TS]

  That's it no matter what device you buy you sign with a username all the stuff you bought is there. [TS]

  That's how it works everywhere else in the world right. So having you know. [TS]

  They got rid of this Klugman Tendo membership thing in The Contender networking and they're replacing it with a sane. [TS]

  Online accounts and like i Tunes like everything else you can possible [TS]

  and like Netflix like whatever like all your stuff is that your account. That's how it works. D.N.A. [TS]

  Is going to give that to them because of course D.N.A. [TS]

  Like every other companies on the internet has such a system [TS]

  and can make one for them probably to their specifications probably the blah blah [TS]

  but they've proven that they can't make that thing a part of the partnership deal is. [TS]

  You know how to make one of those things right. [TS]

  Make one of those for us [TS]

  and you know OK they will do it so they're there at least recognizing the parts where they're weak [TS]

  and trying to dig themselves out of it. [TS]

  I think Nintendo can live on in the same way that sort of indie game studios live on like you don't have to make call [TS]

  duty to be successful. There is a. Get for sort of. [TS]

  I called Marty for three games on the hopper oval like games that connoisseurs appreciate people who appreciate the [TS]

  fact that a really good Zelda game is not the same as just any random adventure game [TS]

  or that a really good marriage game is not the same just any random platformer that Nintendo is still the best in the [TS]

  world. At the few things that it does. They're just bad the surrounding stuff and. [TS]

  When you're playing games like even though. You know Mario Kart. [TS]

  You're driving the cart most of the time her credit is an amazing game when you're driving. [TS]

  Every time you're not driving. [TS]

  It is not an amazing him because you can can't even handle doing the menu systems that well. [TS]

  Same thing with Super Smash Brothers same thing with the Numero games they are amazing when you are playing [TS]

  and there was still the best in the world doing that type of game. Can they survive. [TS]

  Just with just that skill that you need ancillary supporting skills that I think they can survive. [TS]

  Like you know to make kind of like a lifestyle business where like you're just making enough money to support yourself [TS]

  in your whatever I think. [TS]

  Nintendo could be like a lifestyle console this is long as anyone supplying any kind of consuls. [TS]

  If the only games of album on on them is practically the case of the radio. [TS]

  Like first party and attend all games like five other games you could possibly care about. [TS]

  That's basically what it is in the way you and the way it was not successful. [TS]

  But didn't put the company out of business like. Nintendo could could live on past sort of the. [TS]

  They could probably live on past extension [TS]

  and dedicated consuls just just continuing to sell to the people who appreciate how much better. [TS]

  The the best in those games can be. [TS]

  And you're right that is not as many of those because most people who want casual games I want call duty [TS]

  or Grand Theft Auto and you know Nintendo is not going to make. [TS]

  Grand Theft Auto and they're not going to make call duty and you know. For the I.R.S. [TS]

  Games they're going to take a little bit of the money but there. [TS]

  Their expertise is in those type of things you know I think we talk about this before I think to like me about it was [TS]

  not going to live forever. What happens to the company. [TS]

  And his the people he taught will not live forever like when the generational turnover happens. Are they have enough. [TS]

  Shared culture Nintendo could to continue to do continue to make games like the ones they have made in the past several [TS]

  decades. [TS]

  At the same level they've been making them when all the people who originally sort of brought them to that higher gone. [TS]

  All right thanks a lot to our three sponsors this week. Cards Against Humanity. Automatic and back please. [TS]

  And we will see you next week. Now the show is over. They didn't even mean to be good because it was accidental. [TS]

  LOL it was accidental. John didn't feel any the mom goes Keesey with him.. [TS]

  Because it was then going to dance to it was accidental. And you've got a bunch of that A.B.C. [TS]

  And if you're trying to get pummeled and. [TS]

  He was no sense that that's keep lists [TS]

  and the an anti Markel Ahmed Omar study says the risky is so do we want to talk about this. Top Gear. [TS]

  Frak to skirt fossil. You do. Disaster. I do. I do. I'm sad. Guys. And sad. Yeah. Mourned the passing of Top Gear. [TS]

  Last night by. Simultaneously with underscore watching the race to Verby a. [TS]

  I forget that percent number off hand of these series five an episode eight and the race across Japan. [TS]

  Totally forget the absent ember there but we watched it simultaneously and were I'm messaging back [TS]

  and forth like a couple of children watching. [TS]

  I don't know some stupid children show ANY WAY TO MAKE A When Harry Met Sally reference [TS]

  but I think Martin seen that either. I haven't either. High. [TS]

  But it said and you know it's frustrating because a lot of people like C.M.F. In the chatter. [TS]

  Are seem to think that any time you bring up. Top Gear. Their purpose in life is to explain that Clarkson is a jerk. [TS]

  And he should rot in. You know whatever. The opposite of Heaven is in your particular belief system. So inclusive. [TS]

  So I don't understand that perspective. In that. I don't understand why this is binary. [TS]

  Why can't I think that Clarkson. Is a jerk. And yet enjoy that the T.V. Show that he is a part of like. [TS]

  Why is it have to be all or none and. Regardless of the answer there. The fact the matter is I like it's Top Gear. [TS]

  You can think I'm a jerk. If you'd like. [TS]

  You can think that I'm supporting things that Clarkson stands for which I'm not really sure how you make that leap fine. [TS]

  Go ahead. But in the end of the day I love the show. I still love the show. I'm sad that it's ended. [TS]

  Maybe something will come from the ashes and maybe there will be something even better but I'm sad that it ended. [TS]

  I'm pissed off that Clarkson decided that a lunch or dinner or whatever it was was enough to punch somebody over [TS]

  and ruined it for all of us but it is what it is and I'm sad. I think I got explain why people can't. [TS]

  Square the idea of you liking the show but a green of the guys big jerk. Because like. [TS]

  Everyone has their limit of what you're going to support like Mel Gibson is another example like you know anti-Semitic [TS]

  remark sexist remarks like. I think that's a pretty different level. But. [TS]

  Right but I'm just not like some of what I'm trying to get it is that the. There's a continuum like at a certain point. [TS]

  The person you're a fan of. [TS]

  Supports an idea [TS]

  or does something that puts them over the line it's like an actor is actually it's a even bigger lines it's like well I [TS]

  can still enjoy the movie they're in because they're not them they're being an actor right. [TS]

  Whereas Clarkson is like essential himself he's not playing a role in you know in a formal sense. [TS]

  Right so there's more of a close connection so like just just just for the What Would car can have to do for you to not [TS]

  be able to invite him. Enjoy him on top of your anymore like obviously this there's a line. [TS]

  You know what is your personal line the reason why people can square it is that he crossed their personal line possibly [TS]

  cross that already with like you know. Racist remarks but they were in Thailand or whatever right. [TS]

  And this just confirms their previous beliefs. [TS]

  And I find I'm comfortable that we talk about the sun up so being comparable with like our author authors like Orson [TS]

  Scott Card who you know everyone loves enters games but I think is you know. [TS]

  Terrible bigotry about homosexuals is just just can't stand it like can you like the book Ender's Game. [TS]

  While also hating the guy who wrote it [TS]

  and again I think authors is easy to do that too because they've made us work of fiction you love the work of fiction [TS]

  but you hate the guy. Clarkson is the guy on the show. [TS]

  So it's probably pretty the line for him to cross for people not to be able to enjoy the show anymore. [TS]

  It's just much closer for than it is for authors and actors and stuff [TS]

  and I just feel like he's crossed the line for a lot of people [TS]

  and not even with this one a vent now they're just you know gleefully saying. [TS]

  He crossed a line I didn't like I'm ready and he now he got what he deserved so that's why I think. [TS]

  And you know he obviously hasn't crossed your line of not saying your line is wrong other people lines are right [TS]

  but that's why so many people are surprised by the fact that you can still separate the two because I think it is much [TS]

  harder for people to separate the two when the guy is the guy on the show you know. [TS]

  Yeah and that does make sense I know it was just very frustrating because when. When the B.B.C. [TS]

  Finally made their statement. And they said you know we're not going to renew Clarkson's contract. [TS]

  And I had tweeted about oh you know. That sucks I'm sad. I don't recall my initial tweet. [TS]

  Having then you know this is wrong. I didn't. They that that he didn't deserve it. I just at the sucks. [TS]

  In this is sad and. [TS]

  Oh my God I mean welcome to the Internet Casey [TS]

  but everyone came out of the woodwork as their eyes a Jerrick I reckon deserves it. How how could you support this. [TS]

  Gil hole in blah blah blah it's like to cannot just be seen as they say Dill hole. [TS]

  No but you know I can just be sad for like thirty seconds that my favorite T.V. [TS]

  Show is ending is that really that agree just to the entire Internet. [TS]

  What degrees is not that you're sad the show is ending [TS]

  but that it was still your favorite show despite this guy being like that's because it was over the line for them [TS]

  and they're saying how could you even still watch the show in good conscience [TS]

  and so it's not so much that you're sad the show is ending. [TS]

  It's like the whole of the rest of the time when you're enjoying the show. [TS]

  That's the time they thought you're a bad person because you're still enjoying watching the show [TS]

  and still supporting the show because you know like that's. [TS]

  That's what it was and then it's just this is just making him come out [TS]

  and remind you that the whole time you're enjoying the show that you're bad person because they are so much. [TS]

  Well you know what that I'm a bad person. I mean whatever. [TS]

  I really don't care if people want to judge me because I like a television show about cars. Whatever. [TS]

  And you know what I've been I've also been tweeting about this because I feel similar to you that you know. [TS]

  I was always enjoying the show. I'm very sad the show is ending. [TS]

  I do recognize that Clarkson ended the show like this was his fault. [TS]

  I'm like I'm not denying that at all like his actions here. Were way over any line. [TS]

  And like the last in a series of things not like the one time incident you know I mean like. [TS]

  I'm not that familiar with all the behind the scenes drama that happen in the past of the show. I'm really not. [TS]

  I've I've watched the show but I have not followed the controversies that. [TS]

  I wasn't even aware there were so many controversies until the. His general attitude on the show the the style. [TS]

  With which he says things the style of she does things. He is like a lovable ass on the show. [TS]

  Like that's his character on the show. [TS]

  I don't know what he's like in real life is his character also a conservative racist bigot on the show [TS]

  or is that just a side effect of the actual person like you there that's where you know like it's one thing to be a [TS]

  curmudgeon as the other just secretly think they harbor regressive notions that they know enough not to use the voice [TS]

  publicly. Were And so was that again. I don't know I don't know the guy personally. The way I interpreted it. [TS]

  Over time as I was watching the show and he woods and he would say like off color things. [TS]

  I interpreted it as pushing the line or stepping over the line for comedy purposes [TS]

  and so comedy is a tough thing like when you see. [TS]

  When when when you try to define the appropriate relationship between comedy and sensitive topics or hurtful topics. [TS]

  It's always a blurry line and and different cultures and different groups of people define that line differently. [TS]

  And what is over is over the line and what is what is part of humor. [TS]

  Everyone to find that differently and so I think by like by by me and Casey being so surprised. [TS]

  I think at how many people just really hate Jeremy Clarkson like. I was shocked by that. Yep. [TS]

  Because I've always interpreted. The the way he talks on the show. To be for the sake of good humor and even. [TS]

  Even when it is a little bit over the line a little uncomfortable. [TS]

  I've always assumed that that the intention there was to be to provoke a laugh to be funny [TS]

  and not to be actually mean spirited entered and to intend harm. [TS]

  I think there's a different political dynamic in the U.K. That we don't understand. Like there. [TS]

  There are left [TS]

  and right ranges unfamiliar to us mostly because all of them are way to the left of the crazy right wing. [TS]

  Here in America. [TS]

  But I think we're not connected to that dynamic [TS]

  and therefore I think we don't have a good read always use Jeremy Clarkson. On the show. [TS]

  Right and we don't have a read of like. Because I don't know about you but the only time I ever saw him. [TS]

  Is on the show. [TS]

  Like I didn't see interviews with him off the show I didn't see him doing press that. [TS]

  and the like where I get the impression that the people who watch the show in the U.K. [TS]

  No him from outside the show they see him and other programs they know about him as a person. [TS]

  And so the things he says in the show. Rather than seeming like just being cheeky it's like. [TS]

  That is the tip of an iceberg with which we are all too familiar. Right. [TS]

  And that he represents some continuum in the political spectrum that I know his support of Canada actually was me. [TS]

  You know like. [TS]

  I I don't I don't know his background like that either but it's so clear that [TS]

  when the people who don't like him see him they they they see the whole person [TS]

  and we just see the part that's on the show in the park on the show is necessarily you know. [TS]

  Trim down and can be interpreted especially by think an American audience [TS]

  or ones is not familiar with the political climate there. [TS]

  As just being witty and interesting and as one point on the chat room. [TS]

  The top a racist right wing bigots the United States are usually not a strawman as chairman Clarkson You know I mean [TS]

  like. I don't that's just the divide like you know. So I feel like I don't know him either. [TS]

  And I think I was watching Top Gear for reasons that are different than both of you I like the part where they talk [TS]

  about cars and review the show. Yes I did not like almost any other part of it but. But I you know. [TS]

  I enjoyed the show but I know I'm not absolutely nothing [TS]

  but an evil people outside of the words they said on that television program and even just within that. [TS]

  You know with a few incidents that Clarkson is not like. I find myself. Not hating him. But. [TS]

  It's kind of like you know the because you felt like all you wish you didn't know this because now your opinion. [TS]

  Must necessarily be drastically change for somebody that you previously. You know just liked as an entertainer now. [TS]

  Like it starts across the line for me we're like I can't separate. [TS]

  This person the entertainer from the things he does elsewhere. You know I mean. Yeah yeah. And that's that's you know. [TS]

  The big disappointment for top tier fans. Is that. He really did something really bad here. [TS]

  And you know now like his his image is tarnished for everybody and. He he killed the show like he ended the show. [TS]

  By his actions so like that sucks. And it seems like he's a troubled person. So don't think like. [TS]

  That's not yeah I mean anybody who would who would assault someone over. [TS]

  Over a meal then of a shoot I don't care what kind of bad day you've had that's like. That's a problem. [TS]

  But that's a deeper problem that's not like he's just as temper tell I don't know what his deeper for us all think we [TS]

  don't know what is the problem is what do you subset about you're rich you get to drive fancy cars all the time like [TS]

  obviously there is some deeper problem here with him personally or with the show dynamic or whatever it is. [TS]

  It's not about the stupid. You know. [TS]

  Food right that's not what the fight is about [TS]

  and so that makes me sad too because it shows that you know whatever it is that's troubling him. [TS]

  Is deeply troubling him because the stakes were high here he knew he was like on you know final notice from all the [TS]

  other stuff that's McKnight. He should have been on his best behavior and yet whatever the hell is bothering him. [TS]

  Came up to the point where it caused that and that's just like. Yeah. I don't you know. [TS]

  You expect like oh when I'm rich and famous I will be happy and then you see all the movies and say Well actually [TS]

  when you're rich or famous you'll be sad because you'll be lonely [TS]

  and isolated it's like don't you want to think that works out for somebody can somebody. [TS]

  Have a Dream Job and be radical he well the and driver And. [TS]

  A Lamborghini or Ferrari and actually be happy apparently not generally Jeremy Clarkson. [TS]

  Well you still hear about those people. Well I mean I think Cammon seems like a reasonably happy guy I think may. [TS]

  I don't know anything about them either you're right they do I'm just I don't know and I don't you know it's like. [TS]

  I don't need to know celebrities lives or whatever you just want to. You want to believe the fantasy. [TS]

  You want to believe that like. [TS]

  I don't know anything about your life I don't want to know anything about your life [TS]

  but I believe you are well adjusted and have a happy life because what you do for a living looks really fun. [TS]

  Right there and the thing is I agree with you John that. [TS]

  That maybe my line is just further away than other people's That doesn't mean I'm right. It doesn't mean I'm wrong. [TS]

  But my line hasn't been crossed yet [TS]

  but the thing is I mean if you watch the first time they go through America where they went from Miami to New Orleans. [TS]

  They completely eviscerated. All of America. [TS]

  And they seem to go out of their way to find some of the worst portions of America. And as an American. [TS]

  I found that really hard to watch. [TS]

  Really hard because they entangle nice to Americans for the purpose of getting them to show really disgusting behavior. [TS]

  But you know what. That's part of America. And that's unfortunate. [TS]

  But that is part of our country and there are people in our country. Our fellow citizens. That act that way. [TS]

  And just because I don't like it doesn't mean it's not a representation of America it may not be the most fair [TS]

  representation of America. [TS]

  I think there are a lot of Americans that are a lot less stupid as they perpetrate us all to be they obviously make fun [TS]

  of us always for be it for us being fat. And you know. Don't be a cheese. But she isn't everything. And she's. [TS]

  We put cheese on everything and kill those those jokes. They kind of staying. But good God their jokes on a T.V. [TS]

  Show about cars like maybe again maybe my line is just further away than other people's [TS]

  and again like you said John unlike you said Marco. I don't get to see the other parts of Clarkson the only parts. [TS]

  I see are the parts on the show. And yes he is offensive. Yes he's an ass. But whatever. Like that's that's the shit. [TS]

  That's the whole idea. That's why he was there. [TS]

  But it's not it's not just being an ass like this I think I'm not trying to push you closer to your line but I think. [TS]

  I think your line is probably the same as us is just that you are not. [TS]

  You're not forced to confront the realities of the things that this person really believes which I'm not saying you [TS]

  should be forced to confront and you should not seekers in a rationale [TS]

  but if you really knew it was in the heart of hearts of many people that you had my or you would admire them less. [TS]

  And things that come out that reveal like that you know. [TS]

  Whatever aggressive notions someone actually holds Really dear. [TS]

  About whatever people of a different race about women about anything you do not want to be confronted with that you [TS]

  know making jokes being a jerk being silly being cheeky. Doing that you know. [TS]

  Using stereotypes for humor fine but then saying. [TS]

  But really I believe my heart of hearts that women can never be president because they're too emotional like. [TS]

  If someone like Mel seriously I really have to have a serious conversation about you why women should never be [TS]

  president like you can't have that conversation with someone you admire and not be like just just crumble [TS]

  and go Oh God I didn't know and now it's like. [TS]

  Now can I you know that's that's not that I think he's you know on this making this up like make up a bias that you [TS]

  would that if someone really truly believed in deep in their fiber you be like you just check out your black man just. [TS]

  I can't I can. [TS]

  Where you are going I cannot follow I now know too much about what is in your heart and it is terrible [TS]

  and then you have to like try to reconcile like. If you're a really good book and I still enjoy the book. [TS]

  If you're accurate a movie can still enjoy the movie but if you're on a T.V. Show up as yourself playing yourself. [TS]

  Boy that's tough. You know it and somebody brought up in the chat. It's like Adam Baldwin. [TS]

  I think the actions that he is has taken are deplorable disgusting and terrible and him. [TS]

  Somehow energizing the whole game or gate movement and coining the term. That is revolting to me. I find that. [TS]

  Absolutely disgusting but you bet your but I love Firefly and I think it's a tremendous television show [TS]

  and I love the Serenity movie like again maybe mine's different from others [TS]

  but I was I think that's different don't you think is there with actors I feel the same way he's terrible. [TS]

  But I can still enjoy his role as an actor. [TS]

  And like the only place it comes across is like if he's like an actual criminal a murderer you don't do anything that [TS]

  could possibly give him money. Right but that's not you know he's just he holds terrible ideas right. [TS]

  But can you can you still watch and enjoy Firefly. I still can. [TS]

  Despite sharing your things about involvement I can still enjoy the show because he's an actor. [TS]

  Could I enjoy a talk show where he interviewed celebrities. I could not. [TS]

  That's just the difference of the I guess I can't even make that distinction late to me like. [TS]

  If I find out that an actor is like really pretty severe jerk. [TS]

  I can't even really enjoy their their stuff they're acting in your. [TS]

  It helps that he helps that he played a jerk and Firefly too. [TS]

  I gotta admit it does help that if he was the hero of Firefly if he was mal. It would be a big problem. [TS]

  But Jane [TS]

  and Jane is pretty terrible on the show so it kind of like matches up you know to me like this isn't really acting he [TS]

  really terrible. Good news though Anyway back to Top Gear. You know. I think you know trying to close it out here. [TS]

  Anyone who's watched the show on a regular basis. Knows that it was probably pretty close to the end anyway. [TS]

  Like oh yeah. Every every new season that came out or series and in British parlance. Every new series that came out. [TS]

  I was always a little bit surprising. [TS]

  Oh they made another one like every time that they had out there would be other one that was always like pleasantly [TS]

  good surprising news. [TS]

  Because I was always just assuming that the current season's always gonna be the last season [TS]

  and a lot of it was getting worse over time like oh yeah a lot of a lot of the bits for getting more [TS]

  and more contrived. Morgan derived is that possible. I have a. [TS]

  I know you don't share my hatred of the bits but God That's the one understand. [TS]

  I understand that Casey enjoyed them I don't begrudge anyone their enjoyment is just not my. [TS]

  That's not why I was watching the show and that's that's the thing right there John is that people begrudge Marco [TS]

  and I enjoying the show. And that's what I find some bothersome. But own but only because the don't like the person. [TS]

  Like I don't think anyone cares the you like they're stupid. Fake bits. Right. [TS]

  That just but every whatever floats your boat and you know sometimes I get a chuckle out of them too [TS]

  but like you know they're the thing. The thing about Top years. First of all. [TS]

  Talk about the show itself the production quality was high. [TS]

  Where we could all agree on that oh you don't know how much the show cost to produce. [TS]

  Everything was shot Well it was you know. There was not a lot of flab to it the production quality was high and. [TS]

  They did car reviews [TS]

  and they did car reviews I think in a very interesting way I think even more interesting than a lot of the more You [TS]

  Tube things if you wanted to see car views with wit and humor and not taking yourself too seriously. There. [TS]

  They're the best I've ever seen. They were they were like you know. Three minutes long sometimes but. [TS]

  And they were not like it's not like reading. [TS]

  It's not like reading an article in a car magazine about a car you read the that seven preview articles the to the [TS]

  first drive article The review the comparison like. That is a different thing and they. [TS]

  The the form they were working in I don't they define this form or not [TS]

  but they were excellent at that form for doing what they did [TS]

  and they also had the stuff with it a bunch of fake stuff that made you think they were going on a big journey through [TS]

  some country or whatever but they did what they did well [TS]

  and so that's what is the reason the show is an insanely popular right. [TS]

  In the face of things like all the people doing. Are using You Tube in the face of. [TS]

  Motor Week Owings Mills Maryland two one one one seven like there have been other car. [TS]

  Things on television but Top Gear was head and shoulders above them in the area that it decided to define. [TS]

  You know I know I'm just sad. [TS]

  I'm sad that it ended I'm sad it's Clarkson's fault I'm sad that I'm not allowed to be sad about it apparently [TS]

  according to have the Internet and you know what. Screw those guys. Be said about it. [TS]

  I agree and I am sad about it [TS]

  and I mean I wouldn't have said I was sad if I was that worried about what they're saying. I'm sad I'm sad. [TS]

  The show is for us all to say. Top Gear. Butting emphasis. Instead of saying Top Gear. As the British way to say. [TS]

  Top Gear. We all just say Top Gear and it drives me insane. And it when people say Series it also upsets me greatly. [TS]

  Yeah. I agree with that as I think that is the sad legacy of Top Gear. Goodness. [TS]

  Never doubt [TS]

  and I will see what I mean you never know what will happen they they may have so I assume the shoulder back to we also [TS]

  in the shoulder back because the name the name is divide. Yeah. I think it will be in Iowa. [TS]

  I'm sure it'll be back with some people in it. [TS]

  I don't think you'll can tell you I'm just saying they'll be a show called top tier. Right. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  but the already there's a couple shows called Top Gear most of them suck I mean like the American top tier I agree that [TS]

  that manages to like remove all the parts tonight like real that's a thing like. [TS]

  If you take it back to just being a car show. And you don't have these characters in it. It's a lot less interesting. [TS]

  American Top Your isn't a car so they try to do all the same bits they just it just doesn't doesn't gel. You know. [TS]

  And I feel like depression college quality is way lower. I don't know. [TS]

  I think it is it's possible to have in the same way that The Daily Show are all Craig Kilborn losing does show that [TS]

  show is over. Well not quite like it could be reborn. I'm fully willing to I think that. [TS]

  Another set of interesting character Matic people who really have passionate opinions about cars could make that show [TS]

  work again and then so I assume none of these three guys are going to back. Right or they go off and do something. [TS]

  I'm sure plenty of people willing to hire them to do a car show for them called word of the hell they want to call it. [TS]

  So I think you will still be able to see these people talking about cars [TS]

  and you'll probably still be able to see a show. Whose name is Top Gear. Sometime in the future. [TS]

  I don't know I think like the same things that were making it get worse over time and get kind of played out. [TS]

  I think those same things apply to any people you put in the show like it isn't it isn't does people were necessarily [TS]

  played out. It's that like I think the show did everything it could do in the way we know it today. [TS]

  Well it's like The Daily Show with great Kilborne like the format change [TS]

  when Jon Stewart came to focus the format the way the show work to change there wasn't like if Show where we make funny [TS]

  jokes making fun of celebrities it became basically like a news commentary show [TS]

  and that was Jon Stewart's doing things that came from him [TS]

  and new set of people can take the show in a totally new direction that's all I'm talking about with new people like [TS]

  it's not going to be just the same show with different hosts. Whatever is inside those people who take over the show. [TS]

  They can define the direction of the show goes what is it going to be like. [TS]

  I don't think it's going to be like the top tier they were familiar with. Yeah. But also happens. [TS]

  And I think this spec the three of them are going to stick around and do something different [TS]

  and you know there's been rumblings about them going to Netflix and will see. [TS]

  And I wouldn't be surprised if they do with the director video thing that Clark's and has done many times in the past. [TS]

  But they're also. They're also pretty old right. [TS]

  I mean what's cardinally early fifty's May is early to mid fifty's [TS]

  and I think a certain point I think they're a little more limited in the types of things they can do even if they [TS]

  wanted to keep doing this kind of show for someone else. [TS]

  You know he kind of a sixty five year old going through Bolivia in a four by four. Yeah. [TS]

  And also you know the show they've been making so far. Had As you said. A pretty sizable budget. [TS]

  Any anywhere else they could go. They might be forced to dramatically reduce the things they do. [TS]

  And that might that might just not work for them or might not work for for anything we want from them. But we'll see. [TS]