The Accidental Tech Podcast

115: Empathy for the Machine


  one about the cat game yeah it's more boring than I thought it was about you [TS]

  get to play with the cats are some good photos interactive in some way but they [TS]

  just show up yet used it just like real cats you don't really interact with the [TS]

  mucus kinda feed them and right as I could you just so excited today exists [TS]

  that you exist at the same time you don't get to play with the cats you [TS]

  don't get like throw them toys they don't just show up [TS]

  leave you crap and then leave yet I don't really care about you they just [TS]

  care about your food and you can even interact with them right just like cats [TS]

  don't like it don't like cats are we talking about this Microsoft stuff at [TS]

  some point I think we should even though in the grand tradition it's like [TS]

  happened today nobody knows about anything about it but whatever we [TS]

  already headlines right side takes in our pundits all we need is a headline [TS]

  well this is pretty much all you guys because I was really not following any [TS]

  of this I was using my Apple watch all day but you can't say anything about him [TS]

  but I don't know anything about the Microsoft stuff see you soon I think I [TS]

  think we have a lot to cover from subsets of us you know that this will be [TS]

  will be taking turns [TS]

  we might as well start as we always start with John taking the turn of [TS]

  follow-up we had a lot of follow up this week but now that I read through it is [TS]

  just long but I don't think it will take a long time because they're all small [TS]

  Adams famous last words everyone look at the time stamp I was right last time I [TS]

  said that we got through it quickly I think we will today to ok so the first [TS]

  one is from John tall giving us more more color as they say in Apple earnings [TS]

  calls about the Seagate [TS]

  the bed Seagate hard drive thing that we talked about and this is from 2011 and [TS]

  says it was actually a bug in their firmware it specifically it was a bug in [TS]

  a counter that kept track of how many times the drive had spun up and the [TS]

  counter would overflow and it would make the drive think that it was brand new [TS]

  that had never been spun up and there is in the form of reduced discounters only [TS]

  when its brand new its been up really quickly and when he gets older take a [TS]

  little longer to spin up [TS]

  and the reason hard I want to know how long it takes us been upto they want to [TS]

  know when it's safe to put their heads on top of the desk if you think the [TS]

  Wikipedia hard drive page or maybe howStuffWorks deja something we don't [TS]

  know how hard drives work they had these little heads look kind of like the order [TS]

  they called in and phonographs Casey the tone arm or whatever with a stylus [TS]

  something like that what the stylus is the needle but I think you are talking [TS]

  about the tonearm I think I don't even pay too much attention as much as I have [TS]

  this this reputation for being obsessed with vinyl I'm not even sure you know [TS]

  hard drives and SSDs for people who don't know how hard drives works trying [TS]

  to explain it as an analogy for records which they probably might have never [TS]

  seen and even I who grew up with breakfast I know that the party called [TS]

  anyway it's a little arm that goes over the desk and it's got a little redhead [TS]

  on it as you talk about the distance a little redhead that that reads a little [TS]

  you know the magnetic thing that reads little blips on the desk of magnetic [TS]

  poles or whatever that head is really really close to the desk that had cannot [TS]

  touch the disc is it touches the desk it ruins it because the discus spinning [TS]

  very fast and it's made of I don't know some kind of you know metal glass [TS]

  whatever material the head is actually pretty hard and it touches it at the [TS]

  head crash that will put a big out in the disc and you basically printed and [TS]

  that's where the term crash and computers comes from is it comes from [TS]

  yeah it's it's it's hard drive heads crashing into the platters and therefore [TS]

  like killing the drive and you lose your data and reasoning when you save my [TS]

  computer crashed that was what you meant I'm not sure if that's true solicitation [TS]

  come in and tell us whether that's crazy all I know about the bug that was the [TS]

  moth flew into the big machine trip to the original bug but anyway so it it [TS]

  wants to know when is it safe to bring the heads onto the desk but it is off [TS]

  the heads are often the side they're not they're not over the discs at all their [TS]

  parked exactly so in the parking lot why does it matter how fast the disc is [TS]

  spinning we can't you just bring the head down whenever they feel like it no [TS]

  because the the thing that keeps the heads from touching the disc is a tiny [TS]

  cushion of air between the head of the disk and it's super tiny like they were [TS]

  shut the diagram shows like a human hair next to the gap and the human hair like [TS]

  dwarfs the gap between the haves and the have to be really really close but can't [TS]

  touch [TS]

  and so it's really important that the discs be spinning fast enough for the [TS]

  heads to be able to saving a lot to it and if that account overflows and the [TS]

  mechanism the hard drive thanks dead it brand new distance from respond right [TS]

  away and the heads out the crash the disco to kill them and so this is a [TS]

  firmware bug that causes a hardware failure that affected a lot of Seagate [TS]

  dress apparently alright we will put a link to how stuff works that on page 95 [TS]

  of the slideshow what page was that on p [TS]

  I think it's seven of that slideshow of the they show what jon is describing so [TS]

  we'll have that the show notes I wanted to jump in and do a very brief piece of [TS]

  follow-up I am talking to everyone on errands MacBook Air and the one that [TS]

  went for a little swim last week that is going to be a short show it actually [TS]

  knock on my glass desk has been doing just fine I'm not expecting that to [TS]

  continue on forever I'm expecting to do [TS]

  Casey anyway moving on then all kidding aside it is fine I'm surprised by that I [TS]

  have heard several conflicting reports as to how much Apple will charge me to [TS]

  fix this if it does eventually Fri I've heard a couple hundred dollars I've [TS]

  heard well maybe a genius will take pity on you i've heard $800 and anywhere in [TS]

  between so hopefully I'll never have to find out but as of tonight on Wednesday [TS]

  what is the 28th 29th or something like that [TS]

  29th Ave Wednesday the 29th of April it is still working much to my surprise I'm [TS]

  very happy about that how you made that website though like the the death watch [TS]

  website right yeah I did I did actually make a Deathwatch website and what I did [TS]

  was I found a site somewhere that would create a launch DEP list for me and that [TS]

  launched a plist would then just launched curl and tickle URL on my [TS]

  website but it's very unreliable in so part of the reason I haven't publicized [TS]

  this link is because it reports errands Mac is being broken in dead way more [TS]

  often than it actually is broken and dad I went to it I saw that it was that I [TS]

  first or second I was upset and said you know what that's probably just a minor [TS]

  in failure [TS]

  exactly and so i the reason I haven't given this to the Internet is because as [TS]

  much as I know everyone would be doing it out of the goodness of their hearts [TS]

  no I'm not being sarcastic I mean that I would be getting hourly if not [TS]

  minute-by-minute reports that Aaron's computers that I must check on it go [TS]

  look right now oh my god it says it's dead when in reality it's probably user [TS]

  error with me and lunch D but one way or another it's just not a very reliable [TS]

  mechanism for monitoring the Mac so there is a website for it I will not be [TS]

  showing the link because it's not a very good link and it's not worth paying [TS]

  attention to but it is a life and end did you you said that you went to a [TS]

  website to generate it launched d so I don't know anything about launch day and [TS]

  I was originally going to use [TS]

  gonna set up a cron job [TS]

  but I can never get Ronson tax rate and so is figuring out okay well what do I [TS]

  have available to me you know can I just do a scheduled task sort of thing and [TS]

  maybe there's an easier way of doing this that I just didn't think of her [TS]

  StumbleUpon but one way or another I ended up going to this website that [TS]

  generated this just silly [TS]

  humongous plist for launch team and again I don't really know what I'm [TS]

  talking about it apparently what launched he does is it did you give it [TS]

  to specialists and you say on the 5th minute of these year with our go run [TS]

  this command on the 10th minute of this year with our go run this command on the [TS]

  15th minute of this year there in this continues to all 24 hours a day and it [TS]

  then so because of that this playlist was enormous maybe that's not how it's [TS]

  designed to be used if it's not it doesn't really matter I i to be honest I [TS]

  don't really care but I tried to do that real quick and I thought it was working [TS]

  but not so much I put a link to an app that will make watch the palace for you [TS]

  because there are much more robust and then Casey saying that he didn't know [TS]

  ron is a tax on top of that is the most Windows Developer thing I've ever heard [TS]

  him say that I anyone who has ever done every side of the windows are right i [TS]

  John and I and I find bodies syntax completely inscrutable yeah that's why [TS]

  they're like yeah I don't think he's crazy to get help doing that because it [TS]

  is like ron is easy its just you know a bunch of items in my daughter and you [TS]

  memorize it and if you forget dunno man five crontab to refresh your memory [TS]

  whatever to see we view this version supports / 5 syntax are not arranged [TS]

  that much to stop its way more complicated and I bet only to people who [TS]

  develop lunch the Apple have memorized all the options on the different things [TS]

  you can add that even if you gonna do it like [TS]

  by hand you'd use apples pls pls by hand animals and their thing its Lincoln or [TS]

  whatever is named after the barrier the fruit I have heard of it somewhere near [TS]

  be careful because you can skip the system of that like it lets you see I [TS]

  think all the people dislike the systemwide things and even like what is [TS]

  this I don't understand is I can't believe that [TS]

  just you know be careful out there is a test IKEA yeah nice I will put the site [TS]

  I used in the show that well as well its launch 20 with dot com and again all it [TS]

  does is you say when you want this thing to run it generates a humongous sleeper [TS]

  both launched deepest photos photos from Andrew woods he is making sure that we [TS]

  know that photos there's a whole bunch of stuff in the background even after [TS]

  its done importing said activity minor in his 2010 MacBook Pro show today [TS]

  taking all four cores for virtual cores for a long time so his recommendation [TS]

  was to check activity minor and wait until things settle down and things [TS]

  really are idle before judging his performance as i think is that in the [TS]

  last show I did like i'm looking Activity Monitor I'm making sure that I [TS]

  don't see the cloudy process the grinding away or whatever you know I let [TS]

  it to really get into that steady-state over the course of many days where I [TS]

  didn't see anything in top or whatever and then just tried to this outsider [TS]

  judging it after it had gone to announce that is even worse of course if the [TS]

  middle of doing face recognition or even but that's something if [TS]

  someone did you are trying for the first time and you're not accustomed to [TS]

  launching activity monitor and sorting by CPU and seeing everything is grinding [TS]

  away there will be a period of time after the importance quote-unquote done [TS]

  when things are still going on she said let's to see if you ran i stat menus you [TS]

  would know immediately whether these things were thinking about your CPU tell [TS]

  you which processes is hurting your CPU for all you know could be colonel [TS]

  underscore task and then it doesn't help you much so that you see nothing about [TS]

  you just click on the thing that shows you all the top process just click on [TS]

  the dock icon shows no atop process is the name that I could start them and [TS]

  when I'm done looking at a quick the absolute not they're updating every [TS]

  three seconds [TS]

  scan the entire process table operating system acquiring and releasing colonel [TS]

  ox over and over and over again with nobody looking at it he's got in [TS]

  particular the computer trying to instill in a programmer should all have [TS]

  empathy for the machine because it makes you write code that isn't stupid I don't [TS]

  even know where to go thanks let two or three spots empathy with the computer [TS]

  I'm I keep saying that people look at me like I'm crazy but don't you feel that [TS]

  when you write code that like I don't know just something simple like hoisting [TS]

  an invariant out of the loop why doing that you just do it like you have to [TS]

  sort of put yourself in the position of the computer and the different machinery [TS]

  you just feel guilty about making some process be repeated over and over again [TS]

  when you know the result is going to be the same it's like you're just wasting [TS]

  everybody's time you're just wasting battery it's negligible students [TS]

  premature opposition blah blah blah but if you have no empathy for the computer [TS]

  then you just do everything in a ridiculous way and your entire program [TS]

  is just one giant gray haze of Hot Spot Assist like to eat soup of super [TS]

  slowness so I think I'm pretty happy with the computer is an important skill [TS]

  that programmers should acquire so why do you program and scripting language [TS]

  you want do you have a computer but you don't want to be putting toggle switches [TS]

  right you know I'll be standing near your bits and magnetic core memory by [TS]

  hand right that's a balanced but no matter what level you're programming at [TS]

  there's nothing between the most well-known i'm saying is like it's even [TS]

  more important when you're in a high-level programming language right [TS]

  now is to some degree you don't have control over some things but if you know [TS]

  that for example here in a high-level programming language and function calls [TS]

  are relatively expensive compared to how fast it is to say jump to an address in [TS]

  an assembly program you like do I really need to get all the arguments into the [TS]

  railroad is serious to put that I wanna jump into the race to jump to register [TS]

  to like do all the stuff of the return value put that into the right place [TS]

  return Papa stack you know like make a new stack frame doing stuff to really do [TS]

  that our place in line [TS]

  I got his empathy with the compiler and and and every level that works in a [TS]

  high-level language you have to know which things are slowing your high-level [TS]

  language in which things which can you avoid much things you can can you in any [TS]

  language doesn't know what languages high level of me love this something [TS]

  that just apply all the time I don't do something over and over again when the [TS]

  results can be same you know don't make copies when you can pass around [TS]

  references if you language supports that concept like it doesn't really matter [TS]

  how simple it and you could well I can make it under the covers in other [TS]

  languages smart enough to copy on write in this really efficient or whatever but [TS]

  I guess it comes out to someone knowing her language I think it's more important [TS]

  when you get into higher-level languages not less likely to high-level languages [TS]

  have the potential for something innocuous that if you knew how two [TS]

  languages and let her know what is slipping as long as language black man [TS]

  really seriously whereas in with your dad assembly you might feel some [TS]

  sympathy but in general with everything you do is pass is very limited to write [TS]

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  about hard links yeah there's a little bit of confusion about hard things I [TS]

  don't think I did a good job of explaining the last time I just assumed [TS]

  everybody knew that we put the hard links link unless we show that forget I [TS]

  don't remember doing so but I'm not a hundred percent sure they will put it in [TS]

  this one so there's a tweet someone saying you know about the photos that I [TS]

  pretty hard links instead of an entirely new library and then send me a [TS]

  screenshot showing the I the photos library annex the library said yes I [TS]

  said I was going to make a whole new library but look this is a whole new [TS]

  library I'm like yeah but the other one is far thanks I said really it says each [TS]

  one is forty five gigabytes so that's the thing about hard things will put the [TS]

  link for the link that shows you can read this long thing from my lowest [TS]

  interviews about it from back in 2007 but the short version is you've got a [TS]

  file on disk you can think of it as a blob of data that sitting on your desk [TS]

  somewhere and it has a name associated with it and that's how you can find that [TS]

  day that you this name as you know you go through this name food whatever food [TS]

  i text it leads to these bites that name attached outside of bites can be said to [TS]

  be a link that's how you get ready get to those bites and go well I looked them [TS]

  up by going through that tax rates you can make another name that points that [TS]

  same set of bites on disc called Barden text Barta texts one way to get that [TS]

  same blob of bites and food at Texas when we get us involved but still just [TS]

  one bottle but it's two different names that point to it [TS]

  those are hardly see now that said that set of data on disk has to hardly [TS]

  everything can be said that one hardly and it's a conceptual in the UNIX system [TS]

  through which we don't want to talk about but anyway [TS]

  conceptually every pound has caused one hard link and that's like the name of [TS]

  the file you make a second hard link we call that second one though that's [TS]

  hardly the first one was just the file right guys at the second one is a hard [TS]

  link to [TS]

  right really it's if you want to think of it correctly conceptually the first [TS]

  one is also hard like this all number of you that the UNIX shell prompt the US [TS]

  command will show you a number number number of links to this thing most of us [TS]

  have a one next to it if you make a hard line to file to go up your seats who [TS]

  that's about that's what this article shows and since the point the same [TS]

  bucket of data gets more complicated if you use an editor that edits the file in [TS]

  place that does not do it many editors do which is make a complete copy of the [TS]

  file and rename and on top of the file I do some other update if you use it [TS]

  actually edit the file and place and you add it to either one of those names you [TS]

  will be editing the same because just one bucket of bits if you change it and [TS]

  then you look at the contents of food at X number of texts they still they both [TS]

  went to the same bubble butt said you had it through Barton text it changes [TS]

  the same but you could edit Barnett text and then show that the output of what's [TS]

  inside food at external show your edits right that's a hard things work if you [TS]

  get info on any of those files that you list the file with lis if you get info [TS]

  in the Finder the law say how big is it no sale how big is the big bucket of [TS]

  bits so it's like it's to make it 25 megs it's five digs they'll both state [TS]

  that the tricky part is that if you have said you had a hard drive that was like [TS]

  a hundred megs and you had a 99 make filing it you make 75 hard links that 99 [TS]

  make file and every single one of those 1775 I'll say I'm 99 megabyte I'm not [TS]

  that I may as I have you have as many 99 megabyte file to disk is only a hundred [TS]

  megabytes how could they all fit it's just one set of 95 may write these [TS]

  hardly does not add any data so when photos that makes a new photos library [TS]

  and you see it right next year iPhoto library inside both of those libraries [TS]

  are a bunch of you know the one of them has the court originals and then there [TS]

  really is a implementation difference on the cover and the other one just as hard [TS]

  links but if you get info on both them in the final the both said that they're [TS]

  the same size after they're done roughly like oh I'm 45 digs and so am i but it's [TS]

  only one set of 45 digs for the photo data on your desk now there are files [TS]

  that are private photos like we are too many day-to-day basis and so on and so [TS]

  forth that the photos themselves that's what's making hard thanks to those [TS]

  things take up the majority of them [TS]

  so it yes it is very confusing and if you try to do the math you just get info [TS]

  on these libraries and try to do the math and say okay so I've got a 45 big [TS]

  library in 45 big library that means I'm using 90 gigs of space and I told rise [TS]

  face like the math won't add up right that's just how hard links work and to [TS]

  make things more complicated to lash out as you edit files but the Photos app [TS]

  people take something that was a hard link and changed into a copy because it [TS]

  doesn't want to mess with your iPhoto library so if you make a modification to [TS]

  the actual photo by which I mean if it happens maybe if you change the geotag [TS]

  data which has Casey said you can even do at this point but if you were to [TS]

  change that [TS]

  locally it will it will make a copy of it and they will slowly diverge from [TS]

  each other so they do that to keep them separate that's not a property of [TS]

  hardlines the application itself was doing that the application of courses [TS]

  itself is it free to do anything like that as a not but not as nothing to do [TS]

  with the nature of Arlington as I said as you see a demo link if you have two [TS]

  are linked to the same block of data and you go through either one of them today [TS]

  they both see the changes the photos application itself prevent that from [TS]

  happening [TS]

  sort of manually by making happy when it's too so it's confusing our thanks [TS]

  and the talks about some links to what you're a different thing [TS]

  photos and creating confusion for people who can't tell how much free space they [TS]

  have on their discussion tomorrow night so how about shared albums is a bummer [TS]

  when Steve Hildebrand said even if you try to do that crazy system I said less [TS]

  time of like throwing all your photos into the family photo library that share [TS]

  with your whole family apparently you can only have five thousand photos in a [TS]

  shared album so that wouldn't have worked anyway but kinda makes sense like [TS]

  you shouldn't be using shared albums as a way to show your whole library there's [TS]

  just be a way to share your library and haven't read right but there isn't and [TS]

  fewer than 5,000 photos you can't you can't even like manually do it how about [TS]

  what goes on with a MacBook Air with 7,800 photos ever talked about [TS]

  performance last time and there was like well I'm using a 2011 MacBook Air maybe [TS]

  it's just slow because i dont have a lot of Rambus Laura computer so [TS]

  mucho Spanish says that he has a very small library on a 2012 MacBook Air just [TS]

  seven thousand and photos and keyword is still slow and then our friend will [TS]

  hands says very slow for per photo operation operations and he's on a [TS]

  maxed-out iMac wife kim also we couldn't sync iCloud I just am not really sold on [TS]

  why this is something I need my life right now like the idea of being able to [TS]

  you get to any of my pictures in the photo chooser in print in like a special [TS]

  and I West that sounds appealing in principle but hearing how much it slows [TS]

  down your iOS device anytime you go to the photo cheeser that sounds freaking [TS]

  terrible and just a lot of this i must say I never use photos by any stretch of [TS]

  the imagination but it just does not sound like it's something I want my life [TS]

  right now I don't know if it's working great for me the only the only problem [TS]

  I'm seeing with it is what many people have reported in joining think you said [TS]

  it's too which is that the the photo picker takes a long time to come up for [TS]

  anything that uses that lists the photos so that the biggest time I see this is [TS]

  after I've taken a new picture on the iPhone when I want to tap on it to bring [TS]

  it up to view the picture I just took there's like a five or 10 second delay [TS]

  just nothing happened [TS]

  the phone is frozen and then it comes up that that's really seeing issues besides [TS]

  that which is annoying but not that major problem it's just a frequent [TS]

  annoyance beside that if I've had no problems and I and that's the kind of [TS]

  thing that I would imagine and hope that they would be working on it like they [TS]

  would notice that and work that out in the next version of iOS is it just [TS]

  tweets talking about the slowness in like flow is not a measure of a thing is [TS]

  like it feels slow to them and I think especially with single photo operations [TS]

  or like doing something like a wording that you think I'm not asking you to run [TS]

  some crazy you know filter blur you know there's no image effects is not a [TS]

  massive metadata please just associated keywords with these three photos right [TS]

  these people are reporting that it is quarter-on-quarter slow because they [TS]

  think that the thing that they're doing shouldn't take as long as it takes and I [TS]

  agree with them [TS]

  but we don't have any measure C you never know like will hand says it is [TS]

  very slow unperfor operations I maxed out I'm a club case is that because he [TS]

  just expects it to be really fast and I'm at my pay his operations maybe five [TS]

  times as fast as mine but he has a greater expectations because he's got a [TS]

  brand new computer and willing to accept them some sluts but bottom line is [TS]

  reception wise I think it feels slow and some other people seem to agree and I'm [TS]

  depressed that even people with small libraries and even people with much [TS]

  newer fancier computers than me [TS]

  also a feeling that operation steal slow this shouldn't be slow maybe somebody [TS]

  didn't have enough empathy for the computer and design didn't like it [TS]

  that's the type of that's kind of a design things like why might it be slow [TS]

  I can tell you from experience that once you get into the large number of items [TS]

  and a sequel a database sequel aight legalized performance characteristics [TS]

  especially for like inserts into it like a database table that has thousands or [TS]

  millions of records like just drawn that experiment database but a simple scheme [TS]

  it started sorting south and see and do a time and say how many rows can answer [TS]

  per second and watch that performance slowly slowly getting worse as you get [TS]

  into the millions of rows things get pretty grim day things you can do to [TS]

  help with that but anyway if so was using satellite data bases anywhere [TS]

  intimidation which I can imagine it is and if that has anything to do with [TS]

  keywords which I can imagine it might that might explain some of the slowness [TS]

  in large library I don't know I'm just guessing and so the computer is you know [TS]

  you like I did write seagull seagull a great day to it but I am I using the [TS]

  right tool for the job would be better to add them as extended attributes are [TS]

  as individual plist files are you know I don't know it's more of a design thing [TS]

  them to be with the computer at the micro level at the macro level empathy [TS]

  not Marco level empathy what happens when you delete a photo John in in the [TS]

  new photos that I don't know that's the thing last time I was talking about the [TS]

  prospects of using iCloud sync as a backup strategy it's like whatever [TS]

  feelings all sink to something ever goes wrong that wrong this could also sync [TS]

  all over the place and then your backups arose because they're not really back-up [TS]

  supply crate we're just did you [TS]

  have a second copy of whatever is currently in the things so whatever is [TS]

  currently in the library screwed up whatever is currently in all year [TS]

  automatically synchronize copies can also be seen so many people point out [TS]

  that if you delete a photo in the Photos app doesn't get deleted immediately goes [TS]

  into kind of like a trash type holding area and I think every 30 days before [TS]

  its per-share something which is good but mostly what I was afraid over the [TS]

  app going crazy and some thinking these photos never existed [TS]

  let me just get your not as if it thinks I deleted them by dragging into the [TS]

  trash or delete button but if it starts thinking because of some weird singing [TS]

  thing that photos of my life he just never existed in so I need to do to [TS]

  rectify I just synchronize and rectify my state of the world with what the [TS]

  state it's supposed to be in rather than it thinking that it sought to lead [TS]

  operation in synchronizing that just thinking all these photos are unaware [TS]

  that he's gained but I have no idea what they are like that's what I'm afraid of [TS]

  not so much the manually deleting things are but it is good to know that the [TS]

  holding area where you can recover from mistakes were you doing before you [TS]

  delete them as you sure you want to delete this from the cloud and [TS]

  everything on your device as it tries to tell you like this is not just the [TS]

  leading locally this is the leading everywhere and even if you do that still [TS]

  holds onto it and deleted items area to give you an out nice but I'm still a [TS]

  little bit afraid of it and I would never use it as a backup CD in speaking [TS]

  of backups god forbid something happened what do you do to restore your photo [TS]

  library from a backup and I don't know if they hadn't tried them but I thought [TS]

  about it like restoring like your iPhoto library back up just a bunch of files on [TS]

  disks if you think it's hose just don't throw out your iPhoto library go to Time [TS]

  Machine backup you super duper back-to-back plays back up or whatever [TS]

  and just like find previous version for iPhoto library which appears to be one [TS]

  file anticipated releases that pack a bundle with a folder with a bunch of [TS]

  stuff you drag it back in your back in business right what happens if your [TS]

  photos library do you have [TS]

  iCloud sync like something is wrong with it or get so is there something I can [TS]

  you just say ok one's got through that library out and Greg Newman from a [TS]

  backup and put it in place and launch it what happens it will work fine locally [TS]

  I'm sure that would work locally but what happens when you launch it and [TS]

  iCloud [TS]

  like is it aware that you just did that or is it like whoa this library and just [TS]

  does not match what I expected to do does it forcibly make it like the old [TS]

  broken one was in the woman missing data how do you recover from a back up in [TS]

  that scenario and when I was thinking about this one more reminder Mike you [TS]

  tell me when I thought oh and Time Machine like the integration between [TS]

  those first shown in a one time she was first announced in a keynote and they [TS]

  tried to show used time machine from within iPhoto and I just imagining that [TS]

  I remember that the thing where you could use Time Machine specifically [TS]

  within certain apps but I don't remember anything about I photos specifically in [TS]

  whatever happened to that like using iPhoto specifically from within certain [TS]

  that that's not a thing real hit you mean time machine within certain apps [TS]

  yeah there's probably some kind of API to nobody ever uses I don't think is a [TS]

  public API think they they showed it like you could do it within photos you [TS]

  could do with an address book there was a couple of apps the show that you could [TS]

  do it within the reason I'm thinking of that is like I'm trying to think what [TS]

  would be a safe way to take photos library that you had iCloud sync that is [TS]

  hosed in some way damaged its corrupt you asked me to his W me say actually I [TS]

  want to go back to the states things were a week ago and you go pull your [TS]

  photos library from your back up what you have is just a bunch of files and as [TS]

  you put it back in the same place the other one was and you launch photos and [TS]

  then what happens and I don't know what happens I mean I would imagine it just [TS]

  like the import process when I import my 25,000 photos I I basically had an empty [TS]

  iCloud library and I dragged them all into this app from my previous [TS]

  arrangement of files and it slowly important I'm not lower them all that I [TS]

  would imagine as long as the as long as your cloud photo library state can be [TS]

  cleared which I don't know that is easy as going to the author's view it in [TS]

  command a command early but did you do that before you told the backup I quoted [TS]

  you can't even launch photos because the library so corrupt that I like how do [TS]

  you how do you get it to understand that you wanted to launch and accept the on [TS]

  disk [TS]

  library that you pull them back up as the current state of things I honestly I [TS]

  have no idea but I but the files are all their legal the library is laid out very [TS]

  similarly to and iPhoto library yeah you could you do have the out of just [TS]

  finding all the JPEG spoiling them all out making a new empty library like what [TS]

  I think what you have to do I done this I don't address books that's why I [TS]

  thought of it like a few times the address book as garden hose in some way [TS]

  and I've been like look I have all these backed up with address book and let [TS]

  people know that spanned not address book is called contacts now sorry in the [TS]

  context application that provides they provide a way to make a complete backup [TS]

  your tire context library and please everybody do this at least once a year [TS]

  contact think it's not a reliable you'll be happy to have it so I got into a [TS]

  state or contacts were hose was actually my contacts as my wife so is more dire [TS]

  than here and I need to fix it and what I want to happen was I had a backup and [TS]

  I wanted to say look like hot just forget everything just the start over [TS]

  I'm going to i'm going to import from the library and I want you to believe [TS]

  that you have 0 contacts everywhere and that was super super hard to do because [TS]

  every time I thought I'd done it entailed import the library and [TS]

  introduce crazy merge but that was still in the cloud shows everything again took [TS]

  me so long to beat this thing is just a mission to say you have nothing start [TS]

  from zero anyway that's what are frayed over the photos library like I don't [TS]

  know what the I don't know what the restoration plan is even in this [TS]

  scenario where he say look I'm going to strike over jpegs and then just have to [TS]

  convince voters that it has nothing like just really busy can be full like the [TS]

  context of bill yet no context 0 contact your contacts everywhere everything's [TS]

  fine [TS]

  ok import and introduce crazy thing and you know so real-time follow-up from [TS]

  underscore ass underscore there is they don't think this is a basement anyway [TS]

  this page on Apple's website how do I remove all I club photo library content [TS]

  from my iCloud account and devices I noticed n go to System prefs iCloud [TS]

  manage slept for the library then select Disable and delete once you turn off [TS]

  your iCloud photo library left 30 days to download rally your library to at [TS]

  least one device [TS]

  and so that's how you do it that's good this button because that was the problem [TS]

  with Apple things like there's no button there's no place to go it just works [TS]

  it's magical but sometimes you just want like people always want I want a button [TS]

  that says no plea synchronized now and this button is the island a button that [TS]

  says just forget everything just start over 30 and by my past experience with [TS]

  my back when I think services and everything that trying to get it to [TS]

  start from zero was like basically not possible for for regular person [TS]

  sometimes you need to like a special application that like Apple internal [TS]

  people would use that would like to give it wasn't just on your machine you could [TS]

  delete everything off your machine if you could find all the secret hidden [TS]

  files and everything but there was stuff on service somewhere and you had to [TS]

  convince those servers to dump all their information and yet the nose like you [TS]

  know what what request to make the web service of authentication to convince it [TS]

  to really really reset things so I'm glad that Apple is learning and making [TS]

  this easier by putting in an actual going having a you know a Knowledge Base [TS]

  article about it [TS]

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  ATP data let's talk about Apple watch experiences starting with the group [TS]

  whose I'm haha thats we were gonna start looking at those who has no idea what [TS]

  we're talking about but i wanna do this because you know one of us has a novel [TS]

  idea we want to hear about it but I put a sub item in it because someone tweeted [TS]

  at me that after wearing a bra true three days they have a group starting to [TS]

  show up on their wrists where the lil heartbeat monitor thing presses in I [TS]

  think this person may have their walk around a little bit tight I would say so [TS]

  I remember back when I wore watches that I would get a sometimes marks from the [TS]

  band or whatever I don't think this is an apple orchard problem I think this is [TS]

  a watch band possibly to type problem but it did remind me that Marco had said [TS]

  that he wasn't sure he was all that excited about the little dome on the [TS]

  bottom like feeling that rubbing into his rest so I guess we can start their [TS]

  budgets marquerite he does have a watch on like me and I'm like ok you know mine [TS]

  is i dont member when the shipping update happened but it is now due to [TS]

  arrive anytime between the very very very end of May and the Thursday I'm in [TS]

  San Francisco nice which is the most first a first world problems [TS]

  well I have just taken off my watch which I already have because I'm luckier [TS]

  than Casey and woke up earlier I just taking it off after 14 hours of learning [TS]

  it so far today and there is absolutely no sign of any dimple on top of my [TS]

  wrists were thing pushes in there is no markings from the band or anything [TS]

  so yeah I think I think Dani Sol danny is probably just wearing a too-tight [TS]

  lead maybe you have the wrong man for you most likely a test set too tightly [TS]

  reshape problems [TS]

  bone bump on his wrist there possibly another Italian like me with the weird [TS]

  reshape earth and also appears that he's wearing on his right hand I don't know [TS]

  that make a difference probably not as the Domus entered in the watch so [TS]

  probably is not is not the issue [TS]

  one thing I did fine with the with the tightness of the bands I ordered have [TS]

  been initially in order to get on day one the only configuration again on day [TS]

  one at the time I that the store should have for me was the Milanese loop I i [TS]

  was interested in it but I wasn't planning on ordering on day one but it [TS]

  got that and so I had that for a few days since then I actually met up with a [TS]

  nice guy in Connecticut who wanted the Milanese loop and had the one I wanted [TS]

  which was the black leather classical the one just looks like every other [TS]

  letter watched up ever made I traded with him for that so I have now had a [TS]

  couple days with each of those couple days known as couples across buckle I [TS]

  like them both a lot [TS]

  first of all they're both really nice spans the classic buckle is extremely [TS]

  lightweight and and probably the softest in line at besides maybe that's more [TS]

  bands it is just a very comfortable band known as is a lot better than I thought [TS]

  it was thought would be when I ordered it would really is extremely nice it is [TS]

  it is a really kind of split the difference between formal informally it [TS]

  is not too for Miller to blame here too flashy it really is extremely nice I I [TS]

  was very happy with the known as it did it does not picture arm hair but a lot [TS]

  of people think it think that lets do the Milanese does not the only thing you [TS]

  gotta be careful when you're putting it on is the part that overlaps back on [TS]

  itself so it's like sandwiched together you can you can get arms are here speaks [TS]

  in that when you put it on so just be careful that and you'll find the [TS]

  Milanese also i think is the coolest on you because like the air can flow [TS]

  through it and it's not letters to you are there or the floor with a stammer [TS]

  sticking to you the way that does so I would say it's the coolest it the reason [TS]

  I didn't want to keep it is because I was getting some some skinny [TS]

  tuition late in the day after we're here for a long time and some people mention [TS]

  this is an issue with metal for them alot and I don't think it's a nickel [TS]

  allergy based on some quick research but just some skin irritation I was getting [TS]

  it's a lot like crazy at the end of the day and that doesn't happen with leather [TS]

  so I'm glad I switched but they're both very nice bands I I would have been very [TS]

  happy with known as if not for that issue so overall I can recommend I will [TS]

  say though I have had an issue with both of them in how tightly I wear it because [TS]

  it if you wear it super tight I don't find that very comfortable if you if you [TS]

  wear it a little bit loose on yourself not so it's like a rolling around but [TS]

  but just so it's just so it's more comfortable it makes it harder to feel [TS]

  the tactic taps and that i've i've had that issue a lot where I just miss that [TS]

  happen like I just it it does that mean I just don't feel it and then later on [TS]

  I'll identity my little daughter as I miss identification and and I i know [TS]

  there's been an issue that has a report earlier today there's been an issue with [TS]

  faulty tactic engines that might be the reason why they were short stock and [TS]

  they watch launch I don't think minus faulty it seems to work just fine it [TS]

  just isn't it isn't extremely strong it's like moderate strength and so to [TS]

  fix that problem and I have it on the highest strength setting it's still not [TS]

  that strong I have there's a setting that that's that basically plays like a [TS]

  strong vibration before any tactical alert so it like vibrate and then tap [TS]

  tap I've enabled that for most of them had and that has helped a lot that makes [TS]

  me feel every time but now that I I will frequently miss them and i think is a [TS]

  little bit looser than than that I'm supposed to be because I don't like the [TS]

  feeling of it digging into my breasts so strongly but it doesn't seem [TS]

  unreasonable lose again I guess not [TS]

  it can't get misaligned you can't roll back on the side of my wrist like it's [TS]

  not that loose so have you done your like your heart rate or whatever like to [TS]

  do that's that's the reason I think people want to have it on tightly they [TS]

  want to accurate readings from the [TS]

  biometric monitors and if you're not looking at that and you don't really [TS]

  care of those except for feeling of operations but have you ever looked at [TS]

  your heart rate and see if it's like reasonable crazy I have not but it is [TS]

  tracking my activity lot and it does register the exercise time so it has in [TS]

  its built-in rings of activity it has the the calories which are related to [TS]

  steps I think and standing and it has the middle ring which is the one I [TS]

  always failed to get the middle ring is as time spent exercising and that is [TS]

  like in time an elevated heartbeat and that seems to be measuring the actual [TS]

  realized how much spending a few measuring that fairly accurately for me [TS]

  throughout the day I don't actually use the workout app to measure like my heart [TS]

  rate as a workout because I don't work out so I'm not a good person asked about [TS]

  that but it seems like I'm not wearing it so loosely that would be a problem so [TS]

  the lump thing isn't bothering you basically you are intentionally making [TS]

  it a little bit looser so the so it doesn't bother you that I'm wearing it [TS]

  at the looseness level I'm wearing it at not because the lumping because just the [TS]

  entire strap like the lump thing is not a limiting factor in the comfort here [TS]

  for me I thought I thought it would be just you don't you don't feel the strap [TS]

  like squeezing your ass basically exactly that's all it is and I found [TS]

  with the classic buckle there are two holes that work for me [TS]

  oh god it's gonna be a terrible title one of them like this really snug one on [TS]

  one of the guys just come now we heard doubt that we can talk about the watch [TS]

  okay so anyway yes I found one that works for me is also really nice because [TS]

  you could make smaller adjustments than any other band in the lineup so if you [TS]

  want to be like a little bit tighter little bit looser you can you can align [TS]

  it to any of those rows of the woman links you can just like slide it over by [TS]

  one row so you can really but it's like a toaster dials you never know exactly [TS]

  how was last time I don't know all the liberals look the same I assume before [TS]

  having it at that would annoy the crap out of me and I did figure throughout [TS]

  the day I die would frequently change it like little micro adjustment throughout [TS]

  the day like to tweak it a little bit [TS]

  I didn't feel like that was annoying to me as much as I would have thought I [TS]

  don't love about the book I don't love how you know just like any other watch [TS]

  you can set it down to put it on the like like hold your hand against able to [TS]

  put it up against your leg or something like that but you can't quite do it [TS]

  freehand very well in mid-air known as I have that problem I also don't like the [TS]

  classic buckle that you know just like any other website a little little loop [TS]

  that holds the tail at the excess still holds it on the band I keep like [TS]

  slipping out of that keeps catching on things like that so I I might have given [TS]

  level of another try at some point the future but so far I'm very happy with [TS]

  this overall how many times I've taken off today the Milanese because I had at [TS]

  first a little more paranoid I was I was taking off my right to wash the dishes [TS]

  or anything like that [TS]

  now now that you know i i notified the letter one for a couple days I'm a [TS]

  little more confident in a little more familiar with it so now I'm just keepin [TS]

  on all day I took it off just now just so I could take a look at my identity or [TS]

  lack thereof of my wrist from the follow-up but obviously been holding out [TS]

  so it's not a big deal so how is that affecting your life if at all so again I [TS]

  I had not before this I did not wanna watch since high school I like like so [TS]

  many people especially among among geeks like us like so many people I thought [TS]

  would you watch for I have had my phone in my pocket that always tells the time [TS]

  turns out having a watch to tell time is actually really nice guy I know the [TS]

  washable are all like coming betrayed tell you that for years you know but [TS]

  that was news to most of us geeks who who who who have been in oberly [TS]

  pragmatically what we have this clock in our pockets all the time [TS]

  get turns out the the move from pocket watches wristwatches a nine years ago [TS]

  there was good reason behind that I don't think I've ever looked at my phone [TS]

  to see what [TS]

  time it is done during the day feels like the the geek I think the proof for [TS]

  people to tell the time is slowly to the upper right of your field of vision in [TS]

  the menu bar called a screen with the times in the menu bar I cannot think of [TS]

  a time that I have looked at my phone when I you know during work or you know [TS]

  during home like is this is the only place I'm sitting in my house there is a [TS]

  clock in my sight lines intentionally so I know what time it is right and when [TS]

  I'm sitting at my computer there's a clock in my sight lines all the time and [TS]

  no those scenarios to ever reach for my iOS device which is also probably in [TS]

  reach to check the time but many people on the go outside you don't have a [TS]

  clocking a sideline they do use their phones and I think certainly call [TS]

  tweeted earlier that someone had asked what time it was and she fished out of [TS]

  the time while wearing the old habits die hard [TS]

  well that's the thing is I was just about to say that even though I am more [TS]

  often than not in front of either an iOS device or computer no matter what I'm [TS]

  doing if I need to look at the time my first reaction is to look at my wrist [TS]

  and of course their times I'll get my wireless device will get the upper [TS]

  right-hand corner of the screen but generally speaking or maybe the cable [TS]

  box like you were saying john but generally speaking the first place I [TS]

  look to find the time as my wrist the cable box come on I forgot with whom I'm [TS]

  speaking but BS so I stopped wearing a watch for a few years I've worn one [TS]

  pretty much all my life and then after after I got an iPhone knows that you [TS]

  know this is redundant in Philly and I don't need to worry about this and then [TS]

  I think like the battery my watch died or something like that and so wasn't [TS]

  worth fixing inside my phone and then about a year to die started wearing a [TS]

  cheap watch again and and i'm glad because I like having the time of my [TS]

  wrist and I'm excited [TS]

  probably after 2 p.m. Dec to have more than just might be the tie my wrists so [TS]

  we'll see what happens but but I am feeling quite smug Marcos decided that [TS]

  this watch thing isn't so bad because I do believe I tried to tell you mark that [TS]

  having something dangling on your wrist really is not the end of the world I [TS]

  wonder how easy it is to rewire [TS]

  these things like the people who have the ingrained habits of going for their [TS]

  their their phone their pockets of time how long will take them to retrain like [TS]

  to look at the rest I'm also thinking alike for the risky move for Apple watch [TS]

  where is you have imagined a lot of them will become accustomed to a slightly [TS]

  exaggerated motion to really ensure that the White House Speaker seen the worst [TS]

  did you bring it up and it doesn't activate sort of like a day maybe [TS]

  training themselves into that have been the reason I think about these habits [TS]

  and how easy they are changes I know basically cents per half my life at this [TS]

  point when and where my contact lenses I often take my finger and push my glasses [TS]

  up the bridge of my nose when there are no glasses they're basically I'm putting [TS]

  myself between my eyes with my finger and I had contact lenses since I guess [TS]

  the middle school basically as young as I can possibly get them so I am NOT new [TS]

  to the experience of not wearing glasses nevertheless every time I am wearing my [TS]

  contact lenses I will at least ones pushing my glasses up the bridge of my [TS]

  nose that are not there [TS]

  yeah that's understandable in when I went from being a not watch we're back [TS]

  to watch where it only took me a few days maybe a week to start looking at my [TS]

  wrist again to find the time I mean I thought this would be a longer [TS]

  adjustment for me so far and and so far it really hasn't been along doesn't like [TS]

  I it was the a couple days that now looking for the time and and I'm [TS]

  enjoying I mean an end to the risk detection thing really try to take when [TS]

  you move your wrist up to turn the screen on I've had mixed success of that [TS]

  that that still needs some work overall if it works for me about three-quarters [TS]

  of the time but that's like 25 percent failure rate is not good so that they [TS]

  could still use some improvement and you know it's it's certainly exacerbated the [TS]

  screen has to turn off so quickly [TS]

  oftentimes I will I'll try to do that the motion to show the time and it will [TS]

  get misinterpreting it as first things I flipped a wrist and then things I didn't [TS]

  and so it the screen on for a split second it turns back off again that [TS]

  they'd like cancels it you're looking at it wrong Marco ya exam so i i dont that [TS]

  party could use some work but [TS]

  overall I really do like it a lot I I like the way it looks like the way the [TS]

  watch face looks I've looked at other watches the ever since Apple may launch [TS]

  Apple announced they were going to watch I've been looking around at what other [TS]

  people think are really good watches and and every time I passed like a watch [TS]

  store in the mall I look in the window and look at the watches their look at [TS]

  the airport stores that are all crazy everything and when I look at other [TS]

  watches I'd I have never really seen anything that I thought was really good [TS]

  looking and I i no there there are some out there I'm sure was gonna send me [TS]

  their the picture of the water they think is good looking and say oh you [TS]

  didn't see this one and right but I never looked at any the watch and said I [TS]

  really want that and this one i I look at this on my wrist the way of setup I [TS]

  use the utility faced with with a fairly minimal set of complications on it and [TS]

  the way the way this looks to me is really nice I really enjoy just the way [TS]

  to watch face looks just as a timepiece I enjoy it and the other the other [TS]

  functions it does are really great too but even just that part I am extremely [TS]

  satisfied with because I i i i just like it for some reason I was like it I will [TS]

  often look at I'm just just to enjoy how the watch face looks I will say they're [TS]

  the complications of the little features you can add a show like temperature or [TS]

  your calendar events or whatever and various areas of the faces I share a [TS]

  similar opinion as I believe Justin snow heard about this and casey you did as [TS]

  well [TS]

  the complications are mixed bag I think many of them are very useful [TS]

  most of them I would have some designed week to in general I am I'm like 90% [TS]

  satisfied with the watch face availability that I have but that last [TS]

  10% kind of a killer if I if I prefer a digital watch face I think I'd be a [TS]

  little bit less satisfied because additional options are not that great [TS]

  one of my favorite concepts of the watch face is the solar image shows the big [TS]

  like arc of the Sun throughout the day that I like knowing somebody have less I [TS]

  know when I like when I can walk my dog [TS]

  and be in the daylight basically and that watch faces frustrating because [TS]

  there's no complications so if you want to also show the temperature on screen [TS]

  or also show anything else on screen with that face you can't do it there's [TS]

  no there's no customization that face furthermore if you're on that face and I [TS]

  think one or two others I think the immune system anyway if you're on that [TS]

  face if you hit if you scroll the wheel slightly on the digital crown while [TS]

  you're trying to hit it to go to the home screen any slight school is [TS]

  interpreted as you're moving the Sun around and watch face and it canceled [TS]

  the button push and so you're like stuck in the watch face and that I found that [TS]

  very error prone as used in that phase where I i kept accidentally scrolling [TS]

  slightly when I touched the wheel and not being able to go to the home screen [TS]

  I wanted so that was frustrating but for the most part once I found what I wanted [TS]

  which was the utility face I'm I'm very happy with with with it as a watch it is [TS]

  really quite nice again you know like you like UKC in and like Jason I [TS]

  wouldn't I would make some small changes to the complications like that they're [TS]

  like the empty state for things like the timer or when there's an event where the [TS]

  counter thing but there's when you have nothing for the day it says no events in [TS]

  these big letters like him just be blank [TS]

  you know stuff like that like that the blank states of these things could use [TS]

  some help I have mine set with a with a timer at the bottom there people start [TS]

  time are fully guaranteed cooking something and the timer when you when [TS]

  nothing is set it had little timer icon next to has the word set which is done [TS]

  just have the timer icon why do the words set I know that when it's empty [TS]

  you tap it a breeze the time that's great why you that so I do like having [TS]

  these things on the watch face I do recommend if you're if you're going to [TS]

  watch for setting up I do recommend keeping it simple and that could be [TS]

  personal preference but I i find that i'm happier the less stuff is on my [TS]

  watch face and the fewer classes I'm using [TS]

  and the advantage of this information density reason there's stress reasons [TS]

  but just like this also battery reasons to have a list of updating all the time [TS]

  and it's also easier to navigate when you only have a few things that you [TS]

  really care about its easier to see it easier to school with fewer things so I [TS]

  recommend keeping your watch set up very simple but young people will figure out [TS]

  for themselves I think about repair ability because i fix it has had a tear [TS]

  down and it was I felt like it was fairly surprising even knowing full well [TS]

  that this thing was not large and is going to be jam-packed I was stunned by [TS]

  how much stuff is crammed into that little tiny case especially since my [TS]

  recollection of trying on the watch is this that they were not terribly heavy I [TS]

  mean the link bracelet wait quite a bit but the watch it's the one watches [TS]

  themselves were not terribly heavy and Josh there's a lot of stuff in there so [TS]

  they do we think that the s1 is going to be upgradeable in the future [TS]

  this tear down think your member of the deficit tear down is everything is [TS]

  doomed way in so no matter how large the devices they fill the frame with the [TS]

  thing so it seems like you know because I i've only about it in person actually [TS]

  on somebody instead of in a store still haven't gone to trial but anyway there's [TS]

  too much smaller than I thought they would be like all the apples pictures [TS]

  they look huge many people have bought the 42 and thought they have mistakenly [TS]

  got the the smaller size 38 or whatever it is because they're smaller than you [TS]

  think and so it is I think the pictures like wow that stuff in there [TS]

  the key thing is not look at all that stuff the key thing is look how small [TS]

  that stuff is because of the zoomed out her reasonable length you'd realize that [TS]

  a microscopic those things are consumed way into making tire watch build the [TS]

  frame so that's the thing that strikes me that it seems like a lot of stuff is [TS]

  like oh this is you know it's like a little TV dinner you have component [TS]

  component being points even those components like the size of like [TS]

  pinheads you know microscopic so it's an amazing feat of miniaturisation but yeah [TS]

  looking at the end of the show is looking at the S one module the little [TS]

  sort of the S one of the key component could be replaceable here's what I think [TS]

  sad to say [TS]

  when they got the s1 model out of the wash putting this mess out as a [TS]

  destructive procedure but after ripping out some solder connectors we got our [TS]

  first real look at the s1 despite rumors in hopes of an upgradeable prague the [TS]

  difficulty of removing the s1 alone cast serious doubt on the idea of simply [TS]

  swapping out the internals I think that is usually pretty good about doing [TS]

  surgery on Apple devices and getting them apart getting the pieces out and [TS]

  they're saying basically to get the s1 out you have to just a rip off a bunch [TS]

  of things like it is destructive process but suppose you could just about all the [TS]

  guts like just you know shuttle I can always turn everything out of it and [TS]

  just put entirely new cuts inside it but even that look like the type of thing [TS]

  that you would want to be done with precision tools in a factory by people [TS]

  who'd you know people are machines that do the same operations you know hundreds [TS]

  of times a day rather than just having someone in the back room scrape the [TS]

  stuff out to even look like to reseed all these things and Riku and see all [TS]

  these things and reconnect all these connectors [TS]

  into not even available wanted to have internal swaps it does not look like if [TS]

  they offer that service I would be like thanks but no thanks I really don't want [TS]

  to go to this thing called out and tried to be replaced just never be the same [TS]

  again [TS]

  yeah I mean it it's like he got like a laptop repair that's not quite prepared [TS]

  right and likes unlike some steam doesn't quite live up at the China se [TS]

  Marco yeah good luck with that but that was a bit of pre unibody days that was a [TS]

  real problem is I opened up three per unibody laptops and they never go back [TS]

  together [TS]

  the right way like the unibody 10 March 13 that we got the disk looks like one [TS]

  of those things where it's like it's a one-way operations symbol CEO it's your [TS]

  thing maybe they could do the battery cuz that's kind of on the outside but I [TS]

  even get worried about like because the sierra take the screen part off like [TS]

  it's not visible screws that hold the screen on its I guess just glued and [TS]

  they just kind of like heat up the glue and private thing off in like really I [TS]

  mean it's the same way through the windshield stuck under car just you know [TS]

  much much much smaller I suppose so i guess its own I just feel nervous about [TS]

  things that are connected with adhesive I trust the factory sort of the factory [TS]

  CEO of putting you know even for windshield like it when she was putting [TS]

  my car and a factor under control conditions under open the ideal [TS]

  conditions and yes if you get a crack in your when should you hire someone to [TS]

  come and take it off and put on a new one and I'll do it you know while you're [TS]

  at work inside the parking garage that's not ideal conditions are heating up the [TS]

  heat up to the right temperature is everything just it bothers me as an anal [TS]

  retentive person but anyway looking into this thing I'm thinking this was not [TS]

  designed to have the internal swapped and even if it could be done I would not [TS]

  wanted under my watch [TS]

  yeah I mean if you look at like basically all of the components are on [TS]

  top of the s1 yes what is at the bottom and take it out you have to basically [TS]

  take everything out of the watch later Porsche Boxster [TS]

  ok change the engine out of the car that isn't true is that no it is not but I'm [TS]

  going with a partial people to come and yell at me but now it for a min engine [TS]

  cars it is just much harder to get the parts you need to get out so the labor [TS]

  costs for doing stuff like that so yeah I i would not based on based on how the [TS]

  watch is laid out internally and all these different parts you have to [TS]

  disconnect and move and go around in order to pull the s1 out I i'm with [TS]

  China thing i think is this is clearly designed to be a one-man operation I [TS]

  don't think anything is going to be offered for upgrading these to the next [TS]

  city St or whatever I don't even for the additions I don't see it happen [TS]

  and I think Apple solution is going to be just like their solution for [TS]

  everything else they make which is this is today's model and then eventually [TS]

  we're gonna have a new model and if you want you can recycle your old one [TS]

  yeah we were talking about the chances of Apple offering a great ability [TS]

  specifically with respect to the addition because it's so darn expensive [TS]

  and who's going to spend all that money only to spend all that money again in [TS]

  three years right so that would be the highest chance of having a parade [TS]

  ability we talked about the reasons they wouldn't because it's just not the Apple [TS]

  way and if you can afford one [TS]

  tend to $20,000 wat you can certainly afford to me like all these reasons one [TS]

  of the reasons we didn't discuss was that these things gonna be so darn small [TS]

  apples gonna wanna wage everything in that it possibly can and it came down to [TS]

  a decision between we could make it a little bit smaller but it would make it [TS]

  much much harder or impossible to do a component swap Apple it always say make [TS]

  it a little bit smaller like they're never optimizing for like just look at [TS]

  go through the iFixit guide for the past five or 10 years or however long I think [TS]

  that's been around probably not ten years [TS]

  look at how much sort of empty space and extra stuff they used to be inside Apple [TS]

  laptops for instance and compare it to the MacBook one tear down where I don't [TS]

  have one of those things to do but they did that they like nothing in there [TS]

  there is no like the number of pieces like they just want to get everything [TS]

  else that any kind of sort of framing mechanism more like caged your guard or [TS]

  severance they just want to get everything out of there just squished [TS]

  down till all there is like a lumen and battery motherboard like every anything [TS]

  that is not essential has been removed including key travel report so that you [TS]

  don't like it when it comes down to it can we went more stuff in yes by [TS]

  sacrificing the ease of repair totally do it and so that is that's kind of what [TS]

  we're talking about Apple's not going to do this but this is another aspect of [TS]

  why this is not the Apple way I guess they still could on the addition say [TS]

  give us your additional to the yank out all the insides and put it all new guys [TS]

  they could do that like the same way that you know casey's MacBook Air could [TS]

  be sent away to what they called the depot repair center [TS]

  the magical fairyland where the Grinch takes a Christmas tree perot-like you [TS]

  can send your computer there too and then like something happen [TS]

  feels better to like are we gonna send out for repairing you eat you can [TS]

  imagine that repair facility is much nicer and cleaner and staffed by [TS]

  precision nano machines and robots and like but it's not it's just different [TS]

  people in a different room anyway for years I I still say Apple could within [TS]

  the realm of reason say by all means bring us back your $70,000 watch will [TS]

  take the inside out and put in the insides of the Apple iPad 2 which [TS]

  happens to have the same external case they could probably work well but even [TS]

  Apple went like when they do these deeper repairs and everything a lot of [TS]

  times like the stuff that i fix it will do I try to remove a battery that the [TS]

  glued to the case for instance Apple doesn't do that they replace the whole [TS]

  but the whole [TS]

  hokay section like that like they don't Apple does not take extreme measures and [TS]

  their repair departments to disassemble things like that they're just like you [TS]

  know super glued in there in like you're never gonna get it out like they don't [TS]

  do that either they're just replacing more of it and charging you for it [TS]

  especially batteries because if you bend it or poking her like you know punctured [TS]

  her like the batteries become big flaming things very quickly so very very [TS]

  carefully but for other things like they do have like I seem to recall someone [TS]

  telling me they were taking the IMAX screens off and not getting dust behind [TS]

  them they have like rigs to take the screen off easily and repeatedly and [TS]

  like blow out all the dust and all those other things to try you know things that [TS]

  may be beyond what a regular person can do the repair depot the back of the [TS]

  Apple store may be better equipped to do because they have special purpose tools [TS]

  just for this thing but but yet reached the limit where they say well it [TS]

  actually since we're the repair depot we don't need to carefully remove items [TS]

  from I don't be we just take the entire like top case thing we get you a new top [TS]

  case or bottom case or whatever that that's that is much more straightforward [TS]

  that's why I think for the edition watches as they were gonna do it they [TS]

  would take everything out of this and accept the gold indicates and take [TS]

  entirely new insides with entirely new screen entirely new South Park whistle [TS]

  everything is a go slap it in there and just like one sealed age I think that is [TS]

  still possible given the iFixit teardown but not likely for all the other reasons [TS]

  we talked about [TS]

  in the past about going to buy a new one so you will I think at best we would see [TS]

  something that is basically a recycling program maybe with a better name maybe [TS]

  with better rates for that for me just the editions so maybe they have to have [TS]

  traded thing but I don't think they're going to get back the same watchu [TS]

  treated with you stuff inside I think you might get back a brand new watch and [TS]

  you might get some token rebate for the open the etrade it and and even that if [TS]

  they if they never do that I wouldn't be surprised and it wouldn't be a big deal [TS]

  but if I can do anything like that he didn't customer that that's the former [TS]

  would take it wouldn't it wouldn't be you get back the same case with new [TS]

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  with the exception of that I would say their blades are pretty much identical [TS]

  to the quality of fusion blades and I am very sensitive skin so I I would [TS]

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  Microsoft had their first day of I think it was the first day of their build [TS]

  conference which is kind of Microsoft WPC when suddenly takes place in moscow [TS]

  any West there were a couple of big announcements I was interested in the [TS]

  first one was Visual Studio code now despite the fact that this has Visual [TS]

  Studio in the name in a lot of ways it is not the traditional visual studio but [TS]

  what's interesting about it is one way or another regardless of the name [TS]

  it is cross-platform it will run on August and it will run on Linux and it [TS]

  will run on Windows key and Visual Studio code at a glance looks like Adam [TS]

  the editor that we talked about quite a long time ago that was written by get [TS]

  hub it it looks like it looks like Adam but with a little bit of Microsoft [TS]

  player on it and that's not necessarily a bad thing in fact one of the really [TS]

  appealing things to it is that has really get intellisense and in case you [TS]

  don't know what intelligence is it's the code completion and the little tool tip [TS]

  that pops up that helps you complete code and as someone who's worked on [TS]

  Xcode a fair bit and makes his living working in Visual Studio I can tell you [TS]

  that [TS]

  intellisense is light years better than anything Xcode has to offer and I've [TS]

  news two clips for years and years and years thank goodness but I don't [TS]

  remember eclipse being any better anyway so it looks just like Adam well come to [TS]

  find out it actually is Adam in some way shape or form and I really dug into the [TS]

  mechanism by which all this is held together by there is at least a part of [TS]

  Adam included in the package that is Visual Studio code I did try Visual [TS]

  Studio coed I tried it shortly after was it came out and one of the things that [TS]

  promised is really really good note support which as you guys while now I've [TS]

  been really interested in lately and that's what my blog is running on this [TS]

  note and I went to download I downloaded it no problem I ran it no problem I [TS]

  opened up my project my camel project and one of the first things I did was [TS]

  try to run and I tried to run it and I got a message saying well you can't [TS]

  because you don't have mono installed [TS]

  K one case you're not familiar mono is the cross-platform csharp compiler that [TS]

  will compile to host annual compiled and Extension Center and all the libraries [TS]

  associated with with it so its cross-platform dotnet to just tired for [TS]

  a month and it also makes it hard for months and you get it by kissing people [TS]

  so so it says only don't have mono installed ok fine so I brew install mono [TS]

  and I get I forget what version it is that I got but I tried to run again [TS]

  debug again and it's a no really you don't have money so I was tweeting in [TS]

  general and also tweeting at code which is the Twitter handle that Microsoft [TS]

  somehow god I know how they landed that but I tweeted it code and said you know [TS]

  was saying oh this is weird is not working right now working right well [TS]

  within an hour or two [TS]

  the guy that was in the introductory video I think it's Chris Davis I [TS]

  probably pronounced it wrong and I'm sorry but the guy who was in the intro [TS]

  video is trading at me saying hey hey have you tried this have you tried that [TS]

  but like can you imagine walking out of an apple WPGC presentation help the [TS]

  keynote in trying something and then that re keys tweeted yet you saying oh [TS]

  did you try this thing or the other thing what that's amazing that means [TS]

  that means Microsoft is hungry it does no you're absolutely right [TS]

  Microsoft is showing hostile take less than Apple its so true so anyway so come [TS]

  to find out that Chris had a couple of really good pointers and it turns out [TS]

  that I had two copies of mono on my computer I not sure when or how I [TS]

  installed the first one but I had and so I uninstalled the brew version of the [TS]

  homebrew version and install the other one [TS]

  reinstall the homebrew version and sure enough to begin work immediately I had [TS]

  put a post on my website a while back about new deep ugh which is a kind of [TS]

  sort of hockey but still really nice to bugger that works with the chrome [TS]

  web inspection tools I tried that in the past I really liked it [TS]

  this is so much better though because this is even though it is in no way [TS]

  actually Visual Studio except in name it felt kinda similar to Visual Studio like [TS]

  I hit f5 which by the way I have been apt to the keyboard brightness I don't [TS]

  have it mapped to be ex excuse me up five and sure enough it figured it out [TS]

  and said okay I'm gonna go to bug and it worked really well and I've only played [TS]

  with it for a few minutes but I i didnt really really impress it has did [TS]

  integration right there it has marked down preview and somebody tweeted at the [TS]

  group earlier today I want to see is reached evil but somebody tweeted it [TS]

  River saying hey did you ever think ten years ago that Microsoft would ship free [TS]

  editor a free kinda sorta IDE for the Mac that does mark down preview and [TS]

  Cooper was like of course under way and it's true I mean it's it's it's really [TS]

  impressive it's a really impressive appt a little bit of getting it going but in [TS]

  the grand scheme of things I really like it I know everyone loves their own text [TS]

  editor I'm not saying it's better than any other this is not a vinyl is better [TS]

  kind of situation I'm just saying it's worth checking out in Marco I tweeted at [TS]

  you earlier tonight I thought I know if you thought that they even have PHP like [TS]

  syntax highlighting and all that [TS]

  which may or may not be very exciting but I do I was impressed that it was [TS]

  that supportive of all flavors of programming language is rather than [TS]

  strictly speaking the Microsoft stuff yeah I mean this is this is clearly like [TS]

  you know part of the new Microsoft realizing like you know the fight that [TS]

  they they can and should be fighting the fight that they have already lost and [TS]

  and where they can see where they can still have great value where they can [TS]

  hustle and and this seems like a pretty good movie overall I mean that my main [TS]

  question here is will this will the state thing you will be followed through [TS]

  on and will it stay at think that's where Microsoft has recently not done [TS]

  that well and and not even that recently in the last 10 years has had a hard time [TS]

  like following through on stuff and they thought that fall through the things [TS]

  they did succeeded in gaining traction [TS]

  I mean that's been the problem I think it's like if one of those things caught [TS]

  fire you sure bet they thought they would love to fall through but they're [TS]

  being kind of ruthless in like if it doesn't catch on [TS]

  ok let's try something else like all these things are not moves that are done [TS]

  from someone in a position of strength it's kind of like Apple they're not as [TS]

  bad apple was in the nineties obviously but when you are in a corner and when [TS]

  you're behind you can't afford to do the old Microsoft Way of like you know not [TS]

  invented here syndrome or gonna do everything ourselves so why are they [TS]

  using electron which is the framework that helps run out of their Adam [TS]

  products a built-in electronics all anyway why we're using this web based [TS]

  framework that uses Google's web browser engine under the covers to make quote [TS]

  unquote native applications using a web rendering engine technology like why do [TS]

  we write our own letter we have done we have our own editor we wrote Visual [TS]

  Studio like you can't get enough time you need if you want to do this thing we [TS]

  have an idea we have the strategy we talked about it a bit it's gonna let us [TS]

  do is cross platform stuff you want to have an editor I want people that people [TS]

  develop on the Mac can we make a new Mac editor from scratch [TS]

  no we don't have time we'd like how fast can we get to market and the old [TS]

  Microsoft was too proud or you know too stubborn to to do what they're doing now [TS]

  which is like well we can get the market pretty quickly if you use Open Source [TS]

  engine that get how to use to make it that they give us a huge head start and [TS]

  maybe it's not as nice as the real Visual Studio editor but we're not gonna [TS]

  put that to the Mac and even if we did it would be kind of credit so let's do [TS]

  what it takes to get off the ground and just like Apple was like can we make [TS]

  operating system we tried three times in the dinner were committed by somebody [TS]

  and that's what they did we can we use the Windows indeed colonel can we buy [TS]

  bequeathed by next they made the right move there but this is not something [TS]

  that that you do when you're in the driver's seat if anything this is [TS]

  something you do when you're behind and its smart and expedient but it's also [TS]

  I'm not gonna say it smells of panic but it's it's kind of sad to see like one of [TS]

  those made some great was like they thought we can do everything ourselves [TS]

  and they they really could do everything themselves usually a reasonably good job [TS]

  of it [TS]

  the new Microsoft doesn't have time to do everything itself which is probably a [TS]

  good thing but you know they didn't make him get home made Adam didn't make [TS]

  electron get how did they didn't make the chrome engine you know Google did [TS]

  and Apple made WebKit and like the value they're adding their market trying to [TS]

  add value where they can but they are standing on the shoulders of all the [TS]

  other companies that used to that they used to be the Giants and now they're [TS]

  standing on the shoulders all these other companies someone should mean [TS]

  exist when Microsoft ruled the roost [TS]

  it's very true this visual studio code thing I really dig it in the very very [TS]

  brief amount of time spent with it and it is far and away the best no debugger [TS]

  I've tried but I'm a very immature note programmers so there may be some other [TS]

  packager product out there and just not aware of but their common that name [TS]

  no debugger don't even know where to go from here so that was Visual Studio code [TS]

  you should definitely try doubts free download it's it's worth at least [TS]

  checking out the other really interesting thing that they talked about [TS]

  which unfortunately we haven't heard a lot of technical details about yet is [TS]

  two different projects one of them is called island would and the other [TS]

  Astoria cover those in reverse project story is a to allow Android apps Iran on [TS]

  I believe it was Windows Phone only and this is vaguely similar to what [TS]

  blackberry did way back when [TS]

  and basically any apk so any Android app that's been built that doesn't use any [TS]

  other proprietary Google stuff so my my understanding of Android is that there's [TS]

  the Android Open Source project [TS]

  and then as a Supercenter subset of that out as an addition to that is the Google [TS]

  mobile services which has things like Google Maps and things of that nature if [TS]

  yer apt strictly stays within the API's that are part of the open-source Android [TS]

  then you can take your APK drop it in Windows and it will run supposedly no [TS]

  problem [TS]

  the thing that I haven't been made clear though is is this how is this working [TS]

  from a technical perspective in in I don't know if this is like a wine kind [TS]

  of situation was a back room for wine leak something is not windows or [TS]

  something like that but anyway the wine is the app that allows you to run win32 [TS]

  on Linux and wine is not an emulator that's going to be my guess that's what [TS]

  I was thinking I thank you that that's what I was thinking anyway so I don't [TS]

  know this is like a wine sort of thing or not I'm not sure what the mechanism [TS]

  is for this working under the hood but supposedly you'll be able to run certain [TS]

  apks in Windows without any modification whatsoever so any thoughts on that [TS]

  before I move on the island what am I get this is one of those noted on those [TS]

  days where an announcement is made on the day that we record the notice that I [TS]

  really had time to read about this stuff or watch the thing but my understanding [TS]

  from watching tweets from people I think you know what they're talking about is [TS]

  that the the iOS compatibility is you take your source code and you can pilot [TS]

  we're not there yet we're only talking about injury might help of I'm comparing [TS]

  and contrasting you take your choice going to compile it and the Android one [TS]

  is you take your Android app and you run it and that's different like even if you [TS]

  have the source here and I don't think that's how it works I don't think they [TS]

  say I'll pick your Android app and compile it like so that the mix that [TS]

  that's a big difference in how they're gonna implement things if you're not [TS]

  recompiling it that means binary compatibility but of course the Android [TS]

  apps are written [TS]

  the dow victory against the Del McCoury band which is there don't call a job a [TS]

  job of the M so the bytecode involved so why would they need to recompile it if [TS]

  it got by code they can run it [TS]

  JDM spec can probably expect car or something that they can reverse engineer [TS]

  or read documentation for so it's much more straightforward and it's not like [TS]

  wine because it's not native code to begin with it's you know it's the job of [TS]

  bytecode stuff interesting points you chose so that's i think thats how [TS]

  they're getting away with you don't have to recompile it's not source [TS]

  compatibility and it's not like a wine where they like stepping out a bunch of [TS]

  things it's like they're they're just implementing the Java Virtual Machine [TS]

  and the API is that it links against I guess but you don't have to just take [TS]

  your binary and running this is again from from not having watched a [TS]

  presentation just seeing people's tweets this is my understanding and yes I let [TS]

  the cat out of the bag with the IRS thing which everybody knows by now [TS]

  they're doing that entirely differently that you have to have your source code [TS]

  and then you can pilot against a bunch of their libraries which are not apples [TS]

  libraries but hopefully have all the same API compatible and good luck with [TS]

  that right so that's the island would think in in just like jon said you can [TS]

  take an Xcode project and suck it into Visual Studio and and then recompile it [TS]

  against a quote a middleware layer quotes and apparently the magic happens [TS]

  and then you've got a window into not only is a Windows app it's a universal [TS]

  Windows apps presumably it can run on the desktop can run on a tablet it can [TS]

  run on the phone you can just about anywhere thats Windows what I really [TS]

  interested to see is what exactly is doing all of this and it's worth [TS]

  pointing out the subjective see only as well what is this middleware layer how [TS]

  is held together what is really going on here but I did read in our study will [TS]

  link this in the show notes I think I read it on are stacking up somewhere I [TS]

  have read that not only does this island would support just general kinda sorta [TS]

  cross compilation but it even supports UIKit and even more importantly than [TS]

  that [TS]

  at or animation and if you've never written IRS Code before court animation [TS]

  is phenomenal and it's an amazingly easy way to say yeah make that things just [TS]

  kind of dance over that side of the screen and it takes very little code to [TS]

  make really really flew it really impressive animations happen and that's [TS]

  in part why so many iOS apps look so darn good is because for developers even [TS]

  even one who has no visual chops like myself you can make really decent [TS]

  animations really really easily and the fact that coordination got ported or [TS]

  whatever is pretty impressive to me so I've been told on Twitter that the [TS]

  session where they talk about them [TS]

  the mechanisms behind all of this will be happening tomorrow afternoon just [TS]

  Thursday afternoon as we record this I don't have the time to watch it anytime [TS]

  soon because life has been a little busy lately pied I hope at some point that [TS]

  I'll be able to check it out and report back on how this is all held together [TS]

  because this certainly sounds extremely impressive although we'll see if it's [TS]

  actually really particularly functional in over the next few weeks I suppose [TS]

  that being said candy crush saga the bastion of excellent programming has [TS]

  already been running on this project I would it sounds like the kind of bold [TS]

  new step the other member good news that I've certainly heard the name but still [TS]

  be out there like so if you have Apple doesn't give you the source code [TS]

  teicholz cocoa and all of you I K like some of that the Darwin source code [TS]

  includes some you know I think its some core foundation stops in there ever been [TS]

  a most of the stuff is not open source but they do publish [TS]

  documentation and you can get the header files for all the objective studies it [TS]

  may be hard to find and what they do is roughly 29 so you could just look at the [TS]

  API's and the headers and documentation and use an actual Mac to figure out how [TS]

  things work and you could make a working like a library for your platform and [TS]

  that's kind of a good news tip as I was trying to take the open stepped-up which [TS]

  also wasn't open source I don't know if it ever was and say we would like to be [TS]

  able to ride programs without the square brackets on Linux too but they're not [TS]

  going to give us the code so can we just sort of reverse engineering make a set [TS]

  of libraries with exactly the same phone from state exactly the same argument [TS]

  that behaving exactly the same way [TS]

  but are still be open source and that happen you know it like any sort of open [TS]

  source volunteer led effort very difficult to keep pace with like Apple [TS]

  and all their engineers adding changes to cocoa and everything so I don't know [TS]

  how far can you step aside as kept up but this effort seems like that all be [TS]

  funded by Microsoft a lot more people if you're going to compile my you I can [TS]

  application source code without having Apple's code for the UIKit frameworks [TS]

  you will have to have framework with the same names with the same functions to [TS]

  link against otherwise nothing is going to work and we're going to get those [TS]

  from you can have to write them yourselves and make sure they behave in [TS]

  the same way as Apple's there and that is humongous job and that is so unlike [TS]

  Microsoft because now you're sort of signing up to try to keep pace with [TS]

  Apple's rapid development of their libraries and you're telling people to [TS]

  you know not even part throughout the ages bring your source code over it will [TS]

  compile in our platform as a way to get more applications for your platform but [TS]

  you don't even have your own platform at that point all you have is another place [TS]

  where you know people are writing at Apple's platform and they can also by [TS]

  the way we use that work to sort of going your platform as an afterthought [TS]

  on your platform at that point same thing with the end right out like is why [TS]

  does why bother having an API if you know I understand that underlie go we [TS]

  need more apps on our platform we can get more apps by saying hey it's really [TS]

  easy to take your existing Android or iOS that bring it up but then do you [TS]

  even have a pop at that point who in the world is ever going to try to get your [TS]

  API are you really gonna put a lot of effort into improving your API you gonna [TS]

  be spending all your time chasing these other API that you don't even control [TS]

  they can be changed in ways that intentionally or accidentally break your [TS]

  compatibility both of these companies could decide to sue you probably not go [TS]

  cuz articles are suing them over the jobs they get cranky and be like well [TS]

  like the cocoa API is copyrighted and you can't bottle with Java suit right so [TS]

  depending on that sticks out because I might not have been on strong legal [TS]

  footing this I'm interested in the technical details as well but strategy [TS]

  was like I see the benefits we we're desperately need to get more apps on our [TS]

  platform this is my way to do it and usually like file format wise as it [TS]

  approaches his work for Microsoft in the past [TS]

  of like we can read wordperfect warm out of its a good example SunAmerica did [TS]

  that but like the way to get if your marketing is an entrenched leader you [TS]

  need your application to you need to make it so that using your application [TS]

  is as easy as possible for the people who use your computing application I got [TS]

  was not a big deal we can read your files will impart them we can we can [TS]

  save in your old format like everything is great you know like sort of just be a [TS]

  smooth upgrade path because you're not in a position to say drop everything and [TS]

  come to our pipeline that tried that it didn't work out now they're trying to [TS]

  say is that a big deal like I know you got that but like you might wanna make a [TS]

  Windows version of it to its really easy you bring your source code over we [TS]

  compiled a couple of tweaks here and there hey why not write guys that is not [TS]

  a strong pitch but that is that you know that the thin edge of the wedge if [TS]

  you're lucky but if you're not lucky all you're doing is just further doing your [TS]

  own platform to never be a real problem that you control well and I don't think [TS]

  this really solves the problem of why there aren't more apps on Windows Phone [TS]

  and windows all the more modern Windows platforms [TS]

  the problem is is really not that we were waiting for being able to share the [TS]

  same code because he said there's tons of problems that tons problems as a [TS]

  developer I don't think I would trust that to be a stable long-term way to do [TS]

  it [TS]

  first of all like if I come out there and and if I let's move on my code into [TS]

  this thing and I can compile it actually does work and I can ship overcast for [TS]

  Windows Phone using this crazy set up I'm gonna then tell people this I'm [TS]

  gonna announce this animated get customers who were on Windows Phones who [TS]

  are paying for the app that's all it's all based on this crazy setup continuing [TS]

  to work into the future and that's something that I would not want to rest [TS]

  my my customer trust on and my reputation on and it would it would [TS]

  definitely become yet another thing I would have to maintain separately yet [TS]

  another thing that would have separate support issues separate bugs it would [TS]

  have all the downsides of a new platform in addition to the massive liability of [TS]

  this of this compatibility layer that it would all depend on my I wouldn't trust [TS]

  that end [TS]

  the reason why there aren't more developers making apps for Windows Phone [TS]

  System and and all the artists from Metro is the reason why there are more [TS]

  of these is not because we were waiting for a code to cross compile its because [TS]

  a none of us use these platforms basically there are some effectively [TS]

  zero relative to the to the market so none of the developers who are making [TS]

  the kinds of apps that people want to be forms are using themselves and there [TS]

  aren't that many people in the marketplace of buying these platforms [TS]

  especially the kind of people who would be willing and able to install the kind [TS]

  of apps that we make and then that that's that's a big you know that's [TS]

  that's a big limitation right there like that rules out most enterprise customers [TS]

  that rules out a whole lot of Windows users so you know people who would [TS]

  actually buy these apps that kind of Absa that iOS programmers make and [TS]

  repairs make people would actually buy them and use them whether they market [TS]

  their this that's a very big question and they just don't have the unit sales [TS]

  to support that in in the mobile platform in on the PC platform it's [TS]

  usually not use that way so there really is no reason for developers to spend [TS]

  ahora time and Windows Phone right now and that might change in the future but [TS]

  right now that's it's it's just there is unjustified and this is gonna change [TS]

  that anything they do on the cold side is not going to change that they need to [TS]

  the need to change the market like the market of their devices and other their [TS]

  platforms that's what has to change I don't know how you go about changing [TS]

  that but there's no amount of like bribing developers or making things [TS]

  easier for developers that can really solve that problem on a big scale well [TS]

  you can see that the company thanks candy cane something with their name [TS]

  is not bothered by the sort of you know reputation and support concerned that [TS]

  you are like its shuttle where does the term in the game industry for a reason [TS]

  alright we can make a Windows version really easily shareable do that like [TS]

  whatever its in especially with games or it's like not much native UI anyway they [TS]

  have the manpower to to chase the weird bugs out on that or they just see it as [TS]

  a small amount of incremental income for not much extra money or you know like [TS]

  this is going to get more obligations and their platform but I don't know if [TS]

  it's a net win for them and that's like addressing it like you stole my phone [TS]

  you have more software and if you have more software you might sell more phones [TS]

  like that ranged from every possible angle again not that they're in the same [TS]

  position Apple in the nineties but I get a similar vibe like what I back when [TS]

  Apple was desperate much more desperate than Microsoft probably ever be they [TS]

  were willing to try all those ideas that people have been telling them for years [TS]

  they should do like you know trial license CEOs try making a TV tried [TS]

  making x86 compatible things try selling your computers and seniors you know like [TS]

  they were doing everything that anyone had ever told them that you might want [TS]

  to try and call them you know like there is a reason they hadn't done them in the [TS]

  past the clones what is the worst thing ever and telling you should licensee [TS]

  operating system used to play with Microsoft you shouldn't be so stubborn [TS]

  and training been doing yourself use things that other people have died [TS]

  without stirring things are all Android App Store on Windows make Windows remake [TS]

  windows open source like just called list of like a list of the things that [TS]

  people have said Microsoft should try and it slowly tries them you realize [TS]

  they were always bad ideas or its too late or both [TS]

  so I don't know why I kind of like the new Microsoft in there doing exciting [TS]

  things but they I feel like they're losing control of their platform if you [TS]

  like they had a good platform to potential growth path and just a series [TS]

  of bad mistakes they've they're no longer masters of their own destiny and [TS]

  so many ways that it's depressing [TS]

  but I agree with that but man is it interesting to watch is now I mean it's [TS]

  just so fun to watch what what they're doing even if they're making more [TS]

  missteps which I don't know that they're making missteps but they are definitely [TS]

  desperately he said the cash is it fun to watch and it fell faster than most [TS]

  part like they're trying lots of things that they don't stick they move on and [TS]

  in one respect that makes you not trustworthy as the company is people [TS]

  don't want to buy a product like to i really wanna buy that cuz if it doesn't [TS]

  succeed really well it's gonna be a dead end on the other hand they do need to [TS]

  find something that works and so it's better than picking a strategy that's [TS]

  going to save the company and sticking with five years [TS]

  stubbornly refusing to see that the day you strategy is not working they are you [TS]

  know I closed that the Microsoft wristband thing what are called [TS]

  Microsoft banned I believe ya like so that I i thought that was a reasonable [TS]

  product but did it sell in big enough numbers that they're going to make a [TS]

  Microsoft and two and three and four if you bought a Microsoft and you gonna be [TS]

  kind of sore that like you know I kinda like Microsoft and they just not making [TS]

  one because it wasn't a hit at the Apple came out it couldn't compete like I [TS]

  don't know what the balance is there should they abandoned Microsoft banned [TS]

  because it didn't work out or should they say you know it was a pretty these [TS]

  version one product it is differentiated from the Apple Logic interesting well [TS]

  let's make a burden to an aversion to reenter version for quite know what the [TS]

  right thing to do I think Microsoft so much stronger footing with that stuff [TS]

  because that is they are the masters of their own destiny there that platform is [TS]

  different than Amazon Web Services and easy to whatever though Google is doing [TS]

  it like it is [TS]

  is a contemporary it is in the running with all the other things that are out [TS]

  there as a lot of good reports it's the great things about that all the good [TS]

  things about the new measures up don't tied to Windows only [TS]

  don't make it a Trojan horse to try to get our technology those people things [TS]

  be open use JSON accept other languages be really good at what you do that I [TS]

  think still as their flagship that obvious Xbox their two flagship non [TS]

  embarrassing no excuses no stupid Microsoft BS for the most part the low [TS]

  bid on the Xbox one products but windows at this point and everything involved [TS]

  with Windows and Windows on phone then when I computers and tablets it's just a [TS]

  mess I don't know it's it's interesting to watch it and I am I am very surprised [TS]

  by some of the moves are making but we'll see I'm definitely gonna try to [TS]

  watch the session tomorrow afternoon and see what the technical explanations [TS]

  behind all this I mean I don't think it's really not solve anything for them [TS]

  for all the reasons that both you guys expressed on top of that I mean even if [TS]

  I could cross compile a fast X was a good argument I could cross compile fast [TS]

  tax its go it's going to be on an operating system that has a different [TS]

  paradigm than iOS and so it's going to feel out of place like this this is a [TS]

  ton of issues that associated with it well what am i testing autonomy gonna go [TS]

  buy a Lumia just a test for fast acts like so many problems here but I think [TS]

  they are trying to cover all bases and they want to be able to say well you [TS]

  know what this this Windows Phone thing didn't really work out but we did [TS]

  everything we could we even cross compiled Objective C that's how serious [TS]

  we were about it and you know it just didn't work [TS]

  yeah how did that team must that team went with the biggest secrets can buy [TS]

  dollars doesn't like seriously I mean I don't know maybe they didn't start this [TS]

  project laughter but I I'd assume that is so much work that it was happening [TS]

  then whatever instead it's like well you know you're kinda scared or the park was [TS]

  on the whole Objective C cross compiling thing there at least it seems that way [TS]

  alright thanks a lot for three spots this week Backblaze casper and Harry's [TS]

  and we will see you next week [TS]

  now the show they didn't even mean to begin [TS]

  it was accidental [TS]

  accidental John [TS]

  and you can be done and if Marco [TS]

  is anything else we have to talk I can tell you more about the law to mean I [TS]

  had a so so on this week's connected I haven't listened yet ok well I wanna [TS]

  spoil one part of it is a no spoiler it isn't so mike mike was saying that [TS]

  because the watch is really not a 2012 device like you know that the hand that [TS]

  that it's being worn on can't interact with the screen unless you have some [TS]

  crazy hand I've never seen before but for the most part most human hands won't [TS]

  be able to interact with it from the hand of wearing the watch so you have to [TS]

  use your other hand to actually touch the screen the buttons so really it's a [TS]

  two-handed device it's not like a phone you can use entirely within one hand [TS]

  because the same hand holding it can be using it to six plus watches are not [TS]

  that way so mike was saying that he is already on many occasions used his nose [TS]

  to touch the screen on the watch even going as far as to hit buttons with his [TS]

  nose to reply to text messages which is awesome and they all made fun of him [TS]

  unconnected for saying this however I'm here to say that I have done that too I [TS]

  have not gone as far as pushing buttons but I have you my news to wake up the [TS]

  screen to show me the time if the risk thing is failing and I need to see the [TS]

  time for something for my grass suggestion absolutely my great [TS]

  suggestion and also my suggestion is someone with a very large nose is that [TS]

  your time is probably more precise pointing device that is a good [TS]

  suggestion but i dont wanna get my screen all wet or liggett that's true I [TS]

  said it was gross I'm just throwing that out there and that he receives your [TS]

  concern and germs are not are you want to strengthen your immune system by [TS]

  taking in lots of foreign germs go for the town as someone who is blessed with [TS]

  a particularly large NAS from what are you talking about you do not have a big [TS]

  nose I'm half Italian and half Jewish I will not have a big nose you don't have [TS]

  a big nose you have you have an average and whatever anyways [TS]

  accent on those podcast everything all comparing those only boring small anyway [TS]

  there's so many jokes I can make it anyway so I use my schnoz especially in [TS]

  bed to hit the back button on my iPhone I don't know why I do that all the time [TS]

  but i do and i dont have watched to try it on way way way way way why to hit the [TS]

  back button like a web browser what do you wanna know the upper left hand [TS]

  corner of the screen because my hand isn't big enough to reach the upper left [TS]

  hand corner of the screen changes to enhance shammy way using your nose gear [TS]

  over there is no I'm not using that time I have I can you get everything with one [TS]

  hand on my phone I don't have a watch I'm just saying to the people who find [TS]

  themselves like carrier bag of groceries and having to watch the need to hit [TS]

  specific bun for Mike specifically I don't feel like I could hit with my nose [TS]

  if you like my nose touches the entire screen or not that's not a precision [TS]

  pointing to my either way it's so much quicker than the handshake me to just [TS]

  smacked the damn phone with my nose and so much easier so have you enjoyed [TS]

  yourself doing that's a tough injury to explain now the amount of times I've [TS]

  dropped my phone on my face [TS]

  unrelated to using my nose as a pointing device is immeasurable I've done that so [TS]

  many times I can't even tell you how you like laying on your back and they have [TS]

  it propped on your chest now typically I'm holding it up and I you maybe it's [TS]

  like winter time and only have one hand out of the covers because I'm cold and [TS]

  so rather than doing the shimmy or pulling my might [TS]

  extremely comfortably warm hand out of the covers all just smacked with the [TS]

  news that your wife see you do this [TS]

  oh yeah she's stuck when married she stuck there's nothing she can do now to [TS]

  save myself if I saw somebody do that I would take a second look like what is [TS]

  what is going on at the end I think if someone to the watch but their nose [TS]

  especially again if they were like struggling with a bag of groceries I [TS]

  would like to understand but if if it able-bodied person with two free hands [TS]

  is helping some of the phone with their nose at me like that just read write to [TS]

  me I feel like there are better options I hope that someday I I get to see [TS]

  somebody else like out in the world in real life [TS]

  hit their smart watch with their nose is that I'm sure I feel like I said I just [TS]

  said that I've done this but I have I don't think I've done it in public like [TS]

  in my house I don't think I would do it in public I think I was more embarrassed [TS]

  by that they would be picking my nose in public it's like it's no worse and [TS]

  probably actually better than the thing that i dun myself like 11 coming into [TS]

  the house carrying a bunch of things like putting something in your mouth you [TS]

  can get like putting me you know I did not your phone but like holding [TS]

  something in your mouth so you can get a free hand to do something you know like [TS]

  when you're carrying a lot of things using your mouth is it as a third man [TS]

  told something you can usually what you're holding is just as grows or [TS]

  grocer then you're watching might be you know I mean I don't do that thats gross [TS]

  you don't like it when you have a lot of stuff been you know or even if it's like [TS]

  someone calls you on the phone and you want to answer the phone but you have [TS]

  your keys you have something else to put your keys in your mouth but the phone [TS]

  her own you know you see in the movies all the time and I know I've done it [TS]

  myself to do that sort of lip curl under things you're not actually like touching [TS]

  your mouth mouth thing you're holding it just as bad [TS]

  probably anyway but I think the hope the whole germaphobe thing of like I don't [TS]

  want to pay them out they might have germs on it like if you do that that [TS]

  will not lead to a strong immune system you should be kicking dirt filled with [TS]

  animal poop and shoving it into your mouth when you're in a global wow the [TS]

  rest assured that your top there either is or will be in both cases doing that [TS]

  anyway so they are strengthening their immune system health antibiotics [TS]