The Accidental Tech Podcast

120: One Magical Wire


  Back. Playtime is over I'm going to pass follow up tonight sir. Well. [TS]

  I don't have to talk to you about your drink before we start this is the preflight we're doing off the air. [TS]

  Mark I want to know what your. [TS]

  What your liquid situation was surrounding your computer [TS]

  and I remember hearing maybe maybe on the pocket that wasn't on. [TS]

  You talking about your stupid cup thing that we have old wobble but they don't fall down. [TS]

  Technology is employed in it and I think you kind of missing the point. The point is not to get a cup. [TS]

  If you knock it over on top your computer will hopefully through the design of the cop. [TS]

  Not have any like would fall out. [TS]

  Or some magical Cup that is impossible to knock over that you can hit it with the oncoming freight train in this couple. [TS]

  All of those things are fixing the problem in the wrong way. [TS]

  You've got a you have to accept the fact that the couple tip over [TS]

  and still water I'd even if you think your company won't tip over Be won't spill liquid just accept that both of those [TS]

  things. That's it's like servers you know. [TS]

  Servers will fail hardware will fail just accept it and then build a system where when your cup. [TS]

  Falls over star stripping liquid. Explodes whatever. Liquid What was that. [TS]

  That was not the Cup Don't worry I'll show you the second. All right. That the liquid. Does come out. [TS]

  Will fall down with gravity away from your computer which is up higher than it. [TS]

  So this is the system I implore you to get it going on so I'm going to. I'm going to tweet at you too. [TS]

  Because I don't want to make a public. Public public tweet. A picture of my set up at mom and dad. Ads. [TS]

  And let me show you something that will be Q. Even more excited over my set up here. [TS]

  Mom and Dad So give me just a moment. So it is that would mean John. [TS]

  Put it up above the computer so it spills directly onto the computer that's the idea. [TS]

  That's that's kind of the worst set up of ever seen. [TS]

  I think I like the fact that you had to reach across both your my front on a computer to get there. [TS]

  So I put that there just temper what do you may be tied the microphone cable around the base of the cup goodness. [TS]

  No I did that just temporarily just for you. Anyway my point is don't put your faith in where cops. [TS]

  I by the way I love that like that we kicked out of the show for one episode. And he goes and forms to do podcasts. [TS]

  Yes seriously apparently talking to new pot informed her new body has been talking about robot or not. [TS]

  Oh that wasn't when I was. Whatever the timelines are all the things happened way before last episode. [TS]

  All I'm saying is apparently it takes two at the two pod casts. [TS]

  One with Marilyn man and one with Jason Snell to equal the Often if that is a T.P.A. [TS]

  Reconcilable differences the other one. That's the one that wants to day I relate which is often. [TS]

  Which actually all snark aside. Is unbelievably good. I'm. [TS]

  I am stunned at how unbelievably well not really that surprised. [TS]

  Actually at all but it is really really really good and I absolutely love the first episode yet. [TS]

  Of scheduling technologies to fit themselves to my schedule. Yeah I am. [TS]

  I'm genuinely surprised that you signed up for doing even one new podcast regularly let alone two although my [TS]

  understanding is. [TS]

  You've kind of cheated the system with a robot [TS]

  or not a little bit on the all of this likely to be as the standard one every week we show up we recorded goes out. [TS]

  You know. [TS]

  That's what people expect [TS]

  but the other ones are done in creative ways to fit into all of our schedules we're all busy people [TS]

  but we want to do new interesting things and. There are not podcasts about tech. [TS]

  So it gives me an outlet aside from the incomparable which I continue to do. To talk about non tech stuff. Excellent. [TS]

  All right so. We should probably do a little bit a follow up and. I might have skipped over a little bit. [TS]

  That you might want to talk about John so feel free to take it away. [TS]

  Well now it's probably it's probably too late right we don't have to talk about it no it does not too late for a bunch [TS]

  of stuff last time and you guys were so busy like patting yourself on the back for getting the ball back. [TS]

  But look at the time stamp [TS]

  when you end a follow up it was the same kind of times usually just spend a lot of time complaining about follow up [TS]

  and not doing follow up until you said OK now finally follow up study of time. Anyway. All I wanted to do for the. [TS]

  For all the various a step tracker a G.P.S. [TS]

  Phone accuracy watch accuracy things was to note the put in this link that both support article about this. [TS]

  And note that the interesting bit about tracking your distance. When running with both a watch and a phone. [TS]

  Is that the reason. It might be off. Is because the device is apparently and hinted at by this Apple document. [TS]

  Are trying to save energy by not using the G.P.S. All the time. [TS]

  By trying to use the stop tracker by trying to calibrate the step tracker either in the phone or in the watch [TS]

  or both and just use the accelerometer to count your steps rather than having the G.P.S. [TS]

  Going the whole time tracing your route. Because a lot of people are asking. How can if you. [TS]

  If you go with the watch on the phone. How can it be any worse or different in any way than a Garmin G.P.S. [TS]

  Watch wouldn't be exactly the same as an G.P.S. G.P.S. What is the big difference here. [TS]

  And the difference appears to be from this Knowledge Base article [TS]

  and people's experience that the Apple devices are trying to cheat to save battery and say well. [TS]

  Once we get calibrated stepping for the accelerometer they will use that most of the time and maybe check into a G.P.S. [TS]

  Periodically. [TS]

  Which is another interesting trade off [TS]

  and I think something that Apple will probably adjust to time as they get more battery strength [TS]

  and maybe if they want to be taken more seriously [TS]

  and the sort of a hardcore sports fitness market those type of people I look just use my battery the whole point of [TS]

  bringing you with me is that I want to exaggerate. Route where Iran. All right. [TS]

  Well that was it after There's like two in the show notes I know [TS]

  but it's kind of all now we had a bunch of people write in about it with blanks we'll put them in the in the show know [TS]

  if there's a couple of tweeted about the people's upcoming reviews. Like sort of hardcore fitness device. [TS]

  Reviewers review of the Apple Watch on the i Phone. They're not done yet. [TS]

  Apparently these people who did your views but [TS]

  when they do come out maybe it will finally pin down these devices that just how I Q What are they what are their [TS]

  characteristics because all we've got now is a bunch of people saying. [TS]

  I did some exercise with some collection of Apple devices and I feel like you did or didn't count. [TS]

  My steps or heart rate or exertion correctly [TS]

  and of course because these people are in the same zone as Marco where there are slave to the green rings. [TS]

  They demand that their green rings reflect their activity. [TS]

  And so they're upset by man's agreements or get her to feel like now. I had to walk for an hour today to get I think. [TS]

  Twenty five minutes worth of credit on it. Oh seriously. Yeah. [TS]

  Because like because it well part of it you know might be the weight measuring a bigger part of it is that because I'm [TS]

  because I keep filling it every day I'm getting into better shape. [TS]

  I think this is how that things work I don't know [TS]

  but I think my body is having to exert itself less to do the same hills. Every day. [TS]

  It's scales that it scales the amount it starts you off with a small goal you only have to do X. [TS]

  Amount of activity and if you keep meeting that goal say OK now you gotta do expose to expose three X. Plus for it. [TS]

  Well it's. I don't think that's the first of all I don't think it automatically adjusts it prompts you to adjust it. [TS]

  Yeah. [TS]

  I think it doesn't automatically adjust I remember reading that other people saying like that the activity that you [TS]

  have to do. [TS]

  Starts off very easy so you feel like you're achieving something [TS]

  but if you repeatedly achieve it it will push the go farther out from you [TS]

  and you're also right about the heart rate stuff as well yeah I don't first of all I don't. [TS]

  I question whether that's true but the heart rate is thirty minutes like the goals at least thirty minutes. [TS]

  I don't know what the threshold is considered to be an elevated heart rate. [TS]

  Is it one twenty I like I have no idea like I'm estimating it. [TS]

  And I think the only other fall of Adam [TS]

  and had was from the episode I wasn't on where you're talking about the Johnny I have promotion [TS]

  or whatever you want to call it to. From his boat was his previous position like Chief. [TS]

  Senior Vice President of design I think or something like that right and now he's a collateralized debt obligation. [TS]

  Instead. Right. So his. His new title I think the various articles written about this covered all the points. [TS]

  But as always it's like the mixture and you guys when you talk about the mixture of what to emphasize. [TS]

  I mostly agree that this change in title is making up for the fact that he not that he wants to leave. But that he. [TS]

  He wants to do different things and that it's can turn into wanting to leave. But it just seems like. [TS]

  Well I keep thinking of as if you were Johnny Ive and you've done all the things that he's done. [TS]

  What do you have left to prove in the making Aleck trying to vises space maybe the car. [TS]

  As like again if you're thinking of what would keep Johnny operand what would keep him. Excited. [TS]

  Is excited about laptops desktops. Airport things or whatever. [TS]

  Like maybe still as excited [TS]

  but I was going to say that he has nothing left to prove in those categories like if you never doesn't designs another [TS]

  thing he's still going to be one of the most well known designers of the century who have done right. [TS]

  And so if you don't have anything left to prove but you're an artistic person [TS]

  and you want to new challenges interesting things that's why I think the holder like he's going to participate in [TS]

  designing the stories I bet. [TS]

  I bet he really wants to do that because that's slightly different than what he's been doing before. [TS]

  And if they're doing a car I bet he's super into that [TS]

  and I bet he was super into the watch because it's a little bit different so I don't think he's like he was out the [TS]

  door and they had to do this to keep him around but I do see this has moved. [TS]

  He's he's stepping towards the door slowly finding interesting things to pick up on his way to the door. [TS]

  And I think that [TS]

  and the other thing is talking about this position of like well if you're delegating to these people at the Allen dire [TS]

  what ever is doing the software and let the other guy's name how are things something. Richard Howard. [TS]

  Yeah he's and he's going to do the hardware and it's like like you're just telling getting everything [TS]

  and maybe you're going to look at the store [TS]

  and how how can you be the chief of design the design chief of anything if everyone else is doing the actual work and. [TS]

  Almost all those gushes except for good old Gerber always. [TS]

  His article on this topic was one of those cases where he hit every single point I would if I was writing a thing about [TS]

  this. I was reading a slam like OK. [TS]

  You have a two going to say this yeah OK I want to this point you know what he hit every single point I was going to [TS]

  hit it was like. [TS]

  Just read that article that is exactly my opinion and the the one point that I saw a few people hit [TS]

  but he did was C.D.O. Who was the previous C.E.O. Steve Jobs he didn't do anything. [TS]

  All he did was oversee other people doing the things. [TS]

  How can you have how can you have any influence on design if you know design is and that's basically what Steve Jobs. [TS]

  Did he didn't like run the company his C.E.O. Tim Cook did that right. [TS]

  And the other people did all the actual work of making the hardware making the software doing different mockups. [TS]

  You know he was the chief design officer. That was his main job. [TS]

  And everyone says oh without Steve Jobs I can't buy them and. [TS]

  Johnny I moved into a century the exact same position of Steve Jobs that people I call God He can have any influence [TS]

  he's out the door with Steve Jobs out the door because he didn't do any of the work. [TS]

  Johnny I had the ability to do a lot of the work. [TS]

  Steve Jobs didn't [TS]

  but I think it is perfectly possible for Johnny Ive in its current position to exert the same amount if not more [TS]

  control than he did before. [TS]

  Because he will have more authority and he is a higher level position even if it is a step towards the door. So. [TS]

  And then like you I said I don't. I don't think it's the end of the world if he leaves because I think at this point. [TS]

  He should go do more interesting things and he wants to design. Thermostats or airplanes. More power to him. [TS]

  I think Apple is in good hands [TS]

  and it's kind of like any car company that has a designer that sort of defines a signature look of the car company [TS]

  eventually. [TS]

  The car company wants a different look and just hope the next day I come comes in is and you know a bangle or whatever. [TS]

  The I was going to say crisp angle though everyone kind of wanted him out. And in this case. [TS]

  Everyone wants Johnny to stay. So it's similar but yet. Very different all the same time. [TS]

  Well but like bangle was a change from the old B.M.W. Look which is very conservative. [TS]

  And so all the cars going to look the same and this was definitely. [TS]

  You may not like the new look [TS]

  but it was a change Same thing with Mercedes which on the other direction they used to look like kind of boring cars [TS]

  and then their new design direction was much more daring. Seriously you think the new Mercedes looked daring. Oh yeah. [TS]

  Much more dare you kidding go look at what they look like and in the eighty's and even the early ninety's [TS]

  and all of a sudden they got swoopy and much more interesting looking designs that don't then Alex [TS]

  and I don't like the new ones are way better than the old ones. Yep. But anyway. Like it regardless of your opinion. [TS]

  Any sort of brand identity or design has to go through some. [TS]

  You can't use the same design forever and we talk about this in terms of the material science like aluminum [TS]

  and glass is probably going to ask your last a really long time that a certain point. [TS]

  Maybe three design revisions are now like three three look revolutions three decades or. [TS]

  You know three sets of twenty years. [TS]

  They'll be a materials revolution and I actually now it's not a question of how we shape. [TS]

  Aluminum and glass and whatever into different things [TS]

  but entirely different materials that have different properties and. Johnny have a good long gone by them but anyway. [TS]

  I don't see it as the end of the world if he leaves and a couple of years. All right. Any other follow up. [TS]

  Jeff Williams is the senior vice president of operations not the C.E.O. As previously stated on the program. You know. [TS]

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  All right. So not to take a page out Have. Connected to playbook. But since we are also a photo management podcast. [TS]

  There's been some news and Google photos. Is a thing. So Google had Iowa was it. Last week is all right. [TS]

  It was it was the day after we recorded last week's episode. But of course it was. That was well point head. [TS]

  And so they really school photos which. From what I gather is what everyone wanted from photo management. [TS]

  Maybe him and. So what allows you to do is it allows you to up a blow to all of your photos. [TS]

  You can have an unlimited amount of storage an unlimited amount of storage if you allow Google to recommit press your [TS]

  pictures. It's very cheap if you want to give the money to give to store full Reza pictures and. [TS]

  From everything I've heard I have a chance to try this yet. From everything I've heard. [TS]

  It has an believable search capabilities so I think it might have been Russell vantage that had searched for sleeping [TS]

  or something like that. And there were a bunch of pictures of him in other people. Asleep and. All I am sure was him. [TS]

  He searched for the opera house in Sydney and. [TS]

  Not only did it find pictures of the opera houses in Sydney in it [TS]

  but it found a picture of a picture of the city of which I guess in a lot of ways it makes sense [TS]

  but it says that's kind of crazy all the same time. [TS]

  So it is supposed to be really really good from everything I've gathered. [TS]

  Have you either of you guys had a chance tried Marco if you tried it. You know. [TS]

  The the world of tech is a really big place and. [TS]

  There's only so much you can reasonably try and put real effort and spend real time with and. [TS]

  You know I I'm not going to try I never have tried everything that comes out. [TS]

  And I never will I will never have time for that. Nor is that really interesting to me. [TS]

  So I have not tried this you know so you know I can comment on as. [TS]

  As a person who uses Apple's version of this as a person who's Apple versions of most things. [TS]

  As a person who has a lot of photos and. You know to me. [TS]

  First of all I think it's worth noting that this is basically the only thing anybody's talking about from Google IOW [TS]

  this was the big announcement I think you know. I think it's worth pointing out that Google is is kind of taking this. [TS]

  It seems like taking this year to mature things and do do some less interesting but necessary improvements everywhere. [TS]

  Which is exactly what we're kind of hoping Apple will do. Right. Oh absolutely. [TS]

  So that that I think is interesting and I'm I'm I hope Apple takes the same opportunity. But anyway so. [TS]

  So Google photos I think it's really interesting. [TS]

  I think the the big things everyone seems to be talking about are what you said are the the pricing [TS]

  and the a limited storage here with the asterisk of re compressing and not supporting raw. [TS]

  But the unlimited star storage tier and the really really good intelligence of recognizing things [TS]

  and being able to search for things. Those are really nice. However neither of those really appeal to me. [TS]

  I I've never done like keyword ng or much met a data entry for my photos. [TS]

  And that's just you know some people do some people don't I just don't. [TS]

  So I browse things just by day and I find I finally looking for that way. Very very easily. [TS]

  Just by skimming the timeline view and everything in Apple stuff so. [TS]

  The the thing about being able to search for things like that's. [TS]

  It's a very impressive tentacle Cheeseman to solve the problem I don't have. [TS]

  And then the limited storage thing with the asterisk. Is nice a lot of people will use that. [TS]

  I I don't want that I want if I'm going to have it I'm going to invest time and bandwidth and data [TS]

  and possibly money into a photo storage solution. I want to store my originals. [TS]

  And that includes massive files and then includes raw files [TS]

  and that's only like you know their limit right now is sixteen megapixel I believe and. [TS]

  It's using shipping Rican pression to lower the lower the rate even further. That to me like. Again. [TS]

  I can see a lot of people will be just fine with that. But I'm about like my. [TS]

  My camera for the last god I don't know six seven years has been a five the mark two. And that's all that's already. [TS]

  You know from six seven years ago granted it was a high end camera back then but that already is twenty two [TS]

  or twenty one megapixels that's already past the limit. [TS]

  Every every camera on the market today that's that's really good. [TS]

  Usually starts at sixteen megapixels just like all the. All of the Micro Four Thirds camera. [TS]

  And the food yak system and the little Sony's that are NOT be a not the alpha. Seven full frame series. [TS]

  Almost all of those are sixty megapixels starting. And many of them are now twenty four. [TS]

  Some of them are even thirty six now and Canon just released a fifty megapixel camera so. Like there's. [TS]

  If you're buying nice cameras. Then you will be classified as a quote pro. [TS]

  And the all these consumer level solutions are going to either limit you're not appeal to you. [TS]

  And they seem to not care to seem to be OK to give you up. [TS]

  Unfortunately I kind of fall on that on that side of that line. Just by a little bit like I fall in the Pro line. [TS]

  Just enough to want fancy editing controls like what light. Give me. [TS]

  And just enough to have a nice enough camera or I want to shoot twenty four make pixel images. [TS]

  But not so far that I want to bend incident completely [TS]

  and give up all the cool sync stuff that they offer you know of two minds on this the sort of asterisk. Re compression. [TS]

  Thing one the one side you say boy this is actually kind of dangerous because a lot of people ask when this came out. [TS]

  Oh hey can I use Google photos to back up my photos and the answer is if you're using the free thing. [TS]

  No because you're not really getting a backup what you're getting is a place where you can see your pictures [TS]

  but it is changing them it's very compressing and so it's not really a backup. But on the other hand. [TS]

  By making it free unlimited [TS]

  and is way more attractive to people who would otherwise do nothing to organize their photos. [TS]

  And therefore it does serve as. Hey it's a hell of a lot better than nothing. [TS]

  Kind of backup for the people who previously just left all the pictures on their phone for an For instance right. [TS]

  Like all just all the pictures are on their Android phone and they drop their phone in a lake [TS]

  and I like Oh yeah we're my pictures right. [TS]

  This is a great solution for those people because even though Reagan presses. The fact that it's. [TS]

  You know free unlimited. [TS]

  They don't care about the asterisk going to way better than what they were doing before which is probably nothing. [TS]

  So I think this probably has the sweet spot of Google's target user which is the mass market [TS]

  and not people who have fancy cameras basically people who take pictures with their phones [TS]

  and phones aren't yet sixteen megapixels they will be in a few years but you know it. [TS]

  I think it is the right solution for their audience and. [TS]

  It also has the added benefit of making Apple's pricing look terrible because even though it's not apples to apples [TS]

  nobody knows or cares about that if you were to explain to buy now you don't you know get a Google re compresses [TS]

  or image and you try to explain what that means myself Show me the pictures. They like all the same to me. [TS]

  And realistically they do like. [TS]

  We're not going to be zooming weigh in on someone's eyeball [TS]

  and who's the megapixel image to show them to see how Google Reagan president looks like a master like. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  but I look at him like this made a find that look the same so I think this is the the right compromise even though it [TS]

  was disappointing when I learned for you know limited with that Asterix was there for me personally [TS]

  but for everybody else. Definitely a good deal. Real quick real time follow up the Galaxy S six. Is sixteen megapixel. [TS]

  There you go already there all the Nokia. Whatever had the super high. [TS]

  Megapixel camera couple years ago probably couple of years into that there's also I think we might be about to have a [TS]

  big mega pixel spike. [TS]

  Because there's a couple of cameras in the Mark and I think one or two phones that even do this where. [TS]

  So you know we seen over the last few years how many of the many of cameras in many smaller phone there are many phones [TS]

  including the i Phone six Plus has optical image stabilization [TS]

  and they do this by sensor shift they basically have to tell robbers and they shift the sensor around. [TS]

  Really really quickly and adjust for camera shake and motion. Well. [TS]

  Somebody figured out recently that you can use sensor shift to basically. Interpol eight. [TS]

  A super high resolution picture from multiple captures. [TS]

  So what they do is in very quick succession when you hit the shutter button the special mode. [TS]

  Some of these cameras can basically use the image stable their system to shift the sensor very slightly in different [TS]

  directions over the course of a few seconds to kind of interplay to higher megapixel mode. [TS]

  That can to that can make a sixteen megapixel sensor take like a fifty megapixel image. [TS]

  This could get specially in the spec obsessed. Hypercompetitive camera best smartphone market. [TS]

  It would not surprise me at all if this becomes a very very common feature among smartphone cameras [TS]

  and even though the optics will still be kind of crappy [TS]

  and even though the sensor will still be kind of crap with really tiny pixels. [TS]

  This will be a way for many phones and many cameras to claim ridiculous megapixel counts and. [TS]

  There is there is additional risk Lucian. To be had there it's not you know. [TS]

  It isn't as good as if you actually had a giant center that big in most cases but it's. [TS]

  It's better than not doing this at all. [TS]

  So I think people will use that for digital zoom because I see people do all the time they don't understand the quality [TS]

  loss inherent in digital zoom. [TS]

  But if you had a fifty megapixel does not you know why do you need fifty megapixel less you're printing out something [TS]

  poster size or. [TS]

  You're going to printed super high the be like no one's going to do that they just want pictures that are like human [TS]

  size that are on their mantle. You know. [TS]

  Eight megapixels is fine for that sixteen megapixels is fine so if you have fifty What is that by you that by used by [TS]

  you the ability to pinch while you're taking the picture. [TS]

  To zoom in and out instead of like walking closer farther away. And still get a ten megapixel image out of it. [TS]

  You know I think the key piece to me is what you had said Marco a little while ago that I really. [TS]

  I personally love the idea of having this really robust search engine on my pictures. [TS]

  I'm not I'm not really interested in weighing the pros and cons of giving my pictures to Google. [TS]

  But the problem I have with it is if I'm going to get into this position where I have all of my pictures on Google [TS]

  photos. I'm going to want that to also serve as a backup in addition to being a really robust search engine and. [TS]

  I know I've talked about picture life quite a lot on and off over the last few months but I really love picture life. [TS]

  For bunch of reasons including them having a good search engine mostly around dates [TS]

  or locations nothing is that advanced as what Google photos is doing. But also because they'll take every file. [TS]

  As it sits on the computer including raw files and. [TS]

  Granted you have to pay for it [TS]

  and I think I pay fifteen bucks a month for limited storage I think I might be quoting that wrong. [TS]

  But it serves not only as a nice repository it does the time hop style thing where it says oh this day. [TS]

  One year ago two years ago three years ago this is what you were doing but it also allows me to search for pictures [TS]

  or easily of allows me access to all of my pictures while I'm on the go. [TS]

  It does a lot of the stuff that Google photos and actually photos happen i Cloud photos. I call it a library whatever. [TS]

  She should intends to do but man I would absolutely. Pay for in switch to google photos. If if if I was confident. [TS]

  If I felt like it got me things that picture life didn't and right now it's getting me a search engine [TS]

  but it's not getting me I don't think a lot of the other stuff that I really love like the time hop. [TS]

  So gets you like better face recognition and does some weird A I thing where it composes a nice picture for you [TS]

  and makes albums based on. Because A But I you can get this you can pay. You can pay Google. [TS]

  You know it just goes your Google account storage if you pay for the terabyte of storage then a backup of the hell you [TS]

  want like. [TS]

  And that's that's the other thing is the shame of the asterisk is people might dismiss it then the nerdy give listeners [TS]

  that oh I don't want to Rican breast manages. That's just for the free one if you pay Google money. [TS]

  You could star whatever that you want. [TS]

  Because they charge you for the amount of storage for use and the rates for storage. [TS]

  Are not they're not cheap but they're cheaper than Apple still. Yeah it's about half the price. Yeah. [TS]

  And you know as many of the competitors are as always one of the last time I was still little bit out of whack in this [TS]

  area. Same as Dropbox right temple it's a month for a terabyte. [TS]

  That's that's Dropbox or I don't remember the price of a drawback is still below Apple. [TS]

  For the big special for the big tier. Yeah I think I'm tempted by this Google thing. [TS]

  Because the features that has [TS]

  and more importantly the performance characteristics that I assume it has based on all my experience with server side [TS]

  stuff that it's like look. [TS]

  It doesn't matter how fast my computer is because most of the magic is happening on the server side a sort of like why [TS]

  use G. Mail. I have a ton of e-mail pun of filters. All I ever see on my screen is one set of in. Well things. [TS]

  So it doesn't matter that this label or folder or whatever has sixty thousand. You males in it. [TS]

  I can switch to it and immediately see what's there. Because it just shows one screenful. And I can. [TS]

  I don't mind cooking next to go to the next screen thought as opposed to clicking something in outlook [TS]

  and watching a grinding beach ball my thing so we can display a scrolling list view was sixty thousand email messages [TS]

  right there is the advantage of the server side of hearses client side a disadvantage is you don't get a nice crowbar [TS]

  to the over the advantages everything is always responsive so I would imagine that Google photos. [TS]

  Like Google search would let me find all the pictures of a particular person with its face recognition which I have to [TS]

  assume is superior to apples even if just in that it doesn't grind my computer to death [TS]

  when it's technique faces the grounds of Google's computer wanted to the thing faces and same for all the other stuff [TS]

  or you can just type in receipt in [TS]

  and find all your receipts you can type in Sydney Opera House you can type in statue you can type [TS]

  and grass like whatever you know. [TS]

  They have lots of smarts behind those that are not going to be duplicated in a local computer. [TS]

  It's like Google giant computing cluster in the fact that they share all the information about image section is that it [TS]

  makes the whole system smarter and all that all these are features I like and their rates are cheaper than Apple [TS]

  and they were say the uncompressed stuff. But for photos. [TS]

  Going to give Apple's Photos app despite it being super slow everything a little bit more time to mature because this [TS]

  is the one point zero It's basically a complete rewrite. So far it has been reliable. [TS]

  If all need incredibly slow and maddening and. There's one Update on my Apple photos complaints. [TS]

  There's one new behavior that's really pissing me off in addition to being super slow. [TS]

  When I'm going through pictures of like at the right hour the left are a bit at a key word. [TS]

  The period key to favor I'm trying to come up with like a nice keyboard only workflow for sort of going through right [TS]

  pictures. After I take them to organize them tag them frequently I'll come upon one that. [TS]

  I want to delete because it's crappy and I'm not doing like the one star thing anymore I just delete. [TS]

  Now because I have just a favour non-fat So if I see something as one stars delete immediately delete of course takes [TS]

  forever. Fine. Take Forever. [TS]

  Sit there for sometimes I count one two three four all their what if you had only had it right [TS]

  and then the next picture comes up. And then you know. [TS]

  I'll hit the hit the arrow key or hit delete all at the are OK and then I'll see the next picture I want to delete. [TS]

  And I delete and a look up at the screen I'll see what has happened is after I went to the next picture. [TS]

  Deleted one and then I went to the next picture. Now like my delete like i Cloud has caught up with my delete. [TS]

  And it has moved. Sort of my cursor from the picture I was looking at to the one that was before the one I deleted. [TS]

  So then whatever key I hit like favoring or whatever. [TS]

  Applies to the picture before the one I just leads instead of the next one. Like like it doesn't preserve my position. [TS]

  You know my selection state in the thing because the collection of you like reshuffles behind the scenes [TS]

  and I will find myself looking at a picture I was looking at before. Maddening like that's. That's a potential for. [TS]

  If someone was not paying enough attention. [TS]

  They might not realize what happened I might not realize that you thought you were on the next picture really after you [TS]

  had next picture. [TS]

  It's and then in the know here you are on the picture before you were deleted [TS]

  and you might not realize that you tag that wrong or deleted it or something else [TS]

  and if it happened to delete fast enough when you were looking down like. [TS]

  I can imagine that being a day lost bug waiting to happen [TS]

  and stuff like that in addition to being super slow it's like. [TS]

  This is so slow in laggy that is it is breaking the model of the you why I like. [TS]

  So it's like Alec two thousand and eleven all over again. Reflection status changing underneath my. [TS]

  My cursor so I'm really not liking the experience with photos. [TS]

  Other than the fact that it is accepting all of my uploads and presumably preserving them and they're all in a cloud [TS]

  and blah blah. Want to me like that that I think is the most important part like if you have an Android phone. [TS]

  And you use google stuff. Then by all means use Google's photo thing that makes the most sense. [TS]

  My most frequently used camera is my i Phone. [TS]

  And the fact is that nothing integrates better with my most frequently used camera. Than Apple's photos. [TS]

  Photo storage thing. [TS]

  And so I like Apple's photo storage thing would have to be really bad for me to not use it [TS]

  and to instead go over to something else. Because the convenience aspect is really incredibly powerful. [TS]

  Of just having that having integration having things like just instantly be over at my big computer on different [TS]

  devices like oh let's not say instantly because one of the complaints like performance eventually becomes a feature [TS]

  deficit. One of the complaints for people over the large libraries you take a photo with your i Phone. And then you. [TS]

  You know. Maybe a couple seconds pass and then you want to see that photo. In your photos collection. [TS]

  And you go to photos and it's not there yet. [TS]

  And why isn't there you just took it why why is it not there yet because you have a giant collection it takes a while [TS]

  to. I don't know what the hell it's doing like you to. [TS]

  I don't think it's going anywhere you took it on the phone surely it should show up in your photos collection. [TS]

  But there's a lag if you have a large photo collection and that's a like that wasn't there before like. [TS]

  There's one of my wife's can like you turned on this i Photo a library whatever thing. [TS]

  Because the photos are in her computer [TS]

  and because Apple does understand how families work photos have to be on one computer and blah blah blah. [TS]

  Complained about this before. So she gets to have them on her phone. [TS]

  And all it has done is made her camera on her phone. Last pleasant and made her photo pictures in every single out. [TS]

  WAY slower. And so again. [TS]

  One point I'll hopefully this will be addressed This is a perfect thing for them to do [TS]

  when I was nine which we'll talk about when I get to the predictions. [TS]

  So I'm going to give the apple on a chance [TS]

  but I don't have many hang ups about Google photos especially the ones where I'm paying for the storage because I feel [TS]

  like that is a. I understand the relationship there. I give you money you start my photos. [TS]

  I store my photos I give you more money. [TS]

  And I love all the features they have for all their searching face that action and organization. [TS]

  And all that good stuff so Apple better get its act together. [TS]

  Yeah in a lot of ways I feel like this is Google at its best. [TS]

  Because it's leveraging all of its machine learning all of its humongous server farms and whatnot. [TS]

  In order to get something that's really very impressive [TS]

  and really awesome to use as a consumer So I'm curious to see where this goes [TS]

  but I'll probably be checking it out at some point or another with that said. What else is also Marco. [TS]

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  You know cool i Phone things on their stuff is cool stuff about drinks making drinks at home. Father's Day graduation. [TS]

  Really big holidays for the kind of stuff they make they'll have a new app before I get their stuff they have a new app [TS]

  for i Phone called highball. It's a free app and it's kind of it's really bad. [TS]

  Almost as a companion to their cocktail products. [TS]

  When you download the app you can tap in the plus but on the home screen an ad from library. [TS]

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  Tripod mount and kind of like a built in many tripod. [TS]

  Really great very very handy this came out a while ago they've updated a couple times since then [TS]

  and the new one is adjustable so it can work with multiple phone generations most likely doesn't have the cars not [TS]

  which is an i Pad stylus or i Phone stylus which. [TS]

  I've tried a bunch of the various stylize that exist for the touchscreens the cause [TS]

  or not is by far my favorite one is so. [TS]

  So good now their cocktail products are really interesting too they have the neat. [TS]

  Ice kit and this is what we're talking about a lot last time I sponsored I believe. [TS]

  The neat ice Kit let you create cleat crystal clear ice at home. [TS]

  And the sin of the mother says I've tried a couple of other things that. [TS]

  That attempt to make clear I have various you know Kickstarter project and stuff and. [TS]

  None of them have been have been as as nicely working and as easy to use as the neat ice kit which I also have [TS]

  and it's just so much better. And it's. It's easy it's friendly you know it's the neat. [TS]

  Ice kit is very very simple all you do is they have like this. This like cylinder of water that you put in the freezer. [TS]

  And then it give you this like this. Solid rectangle. Of ice. [TS]

  And one half of it is cloudy and want to have that it's clear. And so you take the included. Chisel. [TS]

  To just cut cut cut it down the middle basically. [TS]

  And then you have a perfectly clear ice cube you can then cut and shape whatever you want [TS]

  or just leave it as one giant cube. It is really. It is so easy to use. [TS]

  They also have the simple syrup kit and this is something. [TS]

  I make simple Sarah Paula time I make simple serve in the summer mostly for my iced coffee recipe which I'll go into [TS]

  somewhere simple syrup. You would think that making it without making it yourself without a custom kit. It's. [TS]

  You know pretty straightforward you combine water and sugar and mix it up and put in the bottle somehow. [TS]

  So you would think that part of it wouldn't be necessary. I cannot tell you how good says. [TS]

  I was I was smiling the whole time I was and I was using it because it's like yeah. [TS]

  You can make simple Sarah but out this. But there are parts of it that are annoying. [TS]

  There are parts of it that are kind of hard. Kind of tricky to get right. And once you make it. [TS]

  You still have to have some kind of container to put it in and pour it out of and really like. [TS]

  They nailed it like every part of the simple serve kit. They completely. Knelt it. The. [TS]

  Process of making it is simple they have. They have a little jar that's labeled perfectly for the ratios. [TS]

  You really want to measure anything you just poured in total it goes to the line. [TS]

  You can swish it around with that no utensils needed. The poor spout. That they have on this bottle is perfect. [TS]

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  They thought of everything. The bottle is exactly the right size to fit on any fridge else. [TS]

  They took every part of this process. [TS]

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  pile on for two seconds one. Love the need I skate use all the time to. [TS]

  You should check out the stop motion video they did for the simple syrup kit. [TS]

  It's just very very well done and very clever and they had a blog post about it at some point [TS]

  or another about how they did it and that's also very interesting so you should check that out. In other news. [TS]

  So apparently we know what sort of all three is and in. It looks just like us B C. Not just like us P.C. [TS]

  The difference of it will get through in a bit but yes. If you didn't think it was confusing enough. [TS]

  Now we have two different things these same connector it's kind of like. We finally got rid of the U.S.B. [TS]

  Type a connector where it's symmetrical. [TS]

  On the outside but a symmetrical in the insides you have tried three times to get it plugged in there right way. [TS]

  Finally you know we talked about the U.S.B. Types the connector. [TS]

  That's gone it goes in either way it's perfect no more cable [TS]

  and problems we've now swapped that for plug in this adapter. Plug it into the display It is a not work. [TS]

  Oh there must be the Thunderball want to doesn't work with MacBook one try the other one plugs. [TS]

  You have to tried two different things the plug in doesn't matter what you plug it in. [TS]

  But you have no idea if the one you're using is the right one for your device. [TS]

  This will be a transitional period too [TS]

  but it just a little bit frustrating that Apple I faced shipped machines with us P.C. [TS]

  Connectors that are not thunderbolt three and so therefore ever be this weird. [TS]

  Not forever but until they kill they go away. [TS]

  They'll be this weird machine that has a connector that's not a thunderbolt connector [TS]

  but it looks like all the other machines that have a thunderbolt connector. Yeah it is a little bit weird. Yeah. [TS]

  It does seem like kind of a kind of weird timing to have released the mac book one. [TS]

  Because if you look years it's a brand new computer the brand new lined. [TS]

  There was there was not like a massive pressure for them to release the MacBook one when they did you know. [TS]

  And it seems like six months away from when Sky lake will be out most likely from [TS]

  when thunderbolt three will come with sky like in all likelihood. [TS]

  When that will be available so it seems like they released the map a quote like six months too early. [TS]

  Yeah the should have just made a Retina MacBook Air as we talked about that before [TS]

  and like oh I would have liked that machine better by a lot [TS]

  but now forget about who would like what machine better just in terms of product line planning and succession [TS]

  and like transition between ports. [TS]

  It would have been better overall for everybody now to knowing what we now know about sky like availability [TS]

  and Thunderbolt three. To have made. Retina. [TS]

  Not book errors like any exact form they are now same connector same everything same battery just put a retina screen [TS]

  on it put the lower power chips. Right. Because that would be O.B. [TS]

  Abort more boring machine but then you'd have a clean transition from these with the old world. [TS]

  Laptops and then hear the new ones and they all have the under-vote three and US P.C. Connectors and it's all uniform. [TS]

  This is this machine does not book one is looking more [TS]

  and more like this weird sort of transitional platypus things that as you know it. And like and. [TS]

  You can't you can't tell the future is like all they should have known exactly what Intel's availability bit like the [TS]

  schedule has slipped. When all these things were planned many months or years ago. [TS]

  You can't exactly predict the future so it's kind of a shame. [TS]

  We'll get over it but as it happens on one schedule slip you end up doing strange things. And apparently this supports. [TS]

  Forte displays two of them. In fact is that right. [TS]

  Yeah it's enough bandwidth to support to four case at sixty hertz which. [TS]

  If you if you do enough tricks that is also one of them with to support a single five K. [TS]

  Display or one cable and but the weird thing is they keep saying it's display part one point two not one point three [TS]

  and I don't remember the limitations of the spec but the man. Does that that all fit together. A single five K. [TS]

  Display over the spot I guess it's a good gang to display part one point two connections over the single cable right [TS]

  like technically speaking that's what it's doing you don't have to have two wires connected anymore. [TS]

  But under the covers do you imagine that it is basically to display part one point two channels. [TS]

  That's certainly how that's how the little information we have about it that's how it reads to me. [TS]

  If that's what it's doing that it is it is doing. Dual display port one point two is because it can do for K. [TS]

  At sixty hertz even the say port one point two A can do two of those. [TS]

  So that certainly does seem like that's what it's doing. [TS]

  This is essential e what everyone's been talking about since the the eighty's [TS]

  or the seventy's even like that someday they'll be one interconnect to rule everything that was there are some of the [TS]

  earlier hype about Firewire if you can believe it. [TS]

  Those of us who are around back before fire was actually a thing it was like I know you got all these connections in [TS]

  the back of your mac. But there's one boss is going to do everything forget about us B.S. From I think he boards. [TS]

  This Firewire thing because it's like peer to peer and daisy chain a bull and doesn't require the the van. [TS]

  Then much weaker C.P. [TS]

  Used to do work to get data long at the best of all possible worlds [TS]

  and it's serial instead of parallel the connectors are small they're easy to plug and unplug and. [TS]

  You know it didn't quite work out for virus [TS]

  but the slow consolidation of all the differently shaped holes in the sides of our computers into a single kind of. [TS]

  There's only one kind of hole and we can have multiple ones of the minutes uniform and they can do everything. [TS]

  That's what we're finally finally getting to and I think it was an incredibly wise. Smart forward looking. [TS]

  Perhaps a nest. [TS]

  Sorry move for Thunderbolt to to to do both of the things they did the first thing it did was we're not going to make a [TS]

  new connection with under bolt we're going to take it back a mini display parkas by the way we support display so it's [TS]

  like you can connect your drives but also your display and also kind of your docking station or whatever. [TS]

  It's the kind of like a parasite or one of those little. [TS]

  Not lamprey not heal [TS]

  but the actual word for the little sucker fish a thing that stick on the side of a shark we're going to we're going to [TS]

  hitch a ride on us. I don't already existing successful port. [TS]

  And so they hitched a ride to many display part because in that time. [TS]

  Thunderball was presenting itself as a cool bus to connect your high speed stuff. [TS]

  But also your display and in fact both at once. And now it has found a much more attractive host. [TS]

  Forget about many display park. There is us B.C. [TS]

  It's delicious it's an awesome connector we love it were super jealous of that symmetrical connector it's smaller. [TS]

  It's going to be everywhere. [TS]

  We get on that train and then finally we can legitimately have computers a just have one [TS]

  or more hopefully more on the pro machines. US P.C. [TS]

  Tech connector that literally does everything that the computer can do with a series of adapters [TS]

  and also has all the stuff so that's still a little bit annoying [TS]

  but it is the the future that we expected the only difference is it is not one magical bus instead it is one magical [TS]

  wire. Over which we shove all the existing old stuff so Display Port is still going over there. [TS]

  And you've got us be going over it. And you've also got what you know the P.C.I. [TS]

  Express lanes for your graphics card every other stuff you have externally so it's. It's one cable. [TS]

  But it's lots of different protocols and sort of channels [TS]

  and buses all going over that one cable which I guess is better than nothing is still not quite the you know from world [TS]

  where we imagine everything would be speaking one protocol they'd all be jumping on this one big beautiful. [TS]

  Bus that just powers everything but if you'll get there someday. [TS]

  And it is definitely an improvement over what we have today which is you know a thunderbolt first of all. [TS]

  I I've And I think you agree. I've never liked the new display port. As a port. [TS]

  As a physical port as a cable and better than Scotty. Yeah. But that's not a very high bar. [TS]

  I would say it's also better than U.S.B. Taipei. Because it is smaller and next turn only asymmetrical. [TS]

  Well it may be but it also doesn't feel like it's very securely inserted most of the time. [TS]

  If you look at it can slide out partially very very easily. Whereas U.S.B. Has always been there pretty well. [TS]

  Well I can't tell if that's like. [TS]

  Because I have you know there are some your speed type a thing to feel very secure [TS]

  and some that feel looser get looser over time so I it's hard to tell that is a construction. [TS]

  Thing or it's the fault of the port itself. I believe it's possible to have a secure feeling thunderbolt port. [TS]

  Just like I know that it's possible to have a secure feeling U.S.B. [TS]

  Type a port and also really loose one that feels crappy. Well maybe. [TS]

  But regardless I've never felt a thunderbolt port that felt really secure to me [TS]

  and you know the kind of stuff you're plugging in there. Usually it's stuff like you know. [TS]

  Advance driver raise or like like a network adapter for the laptop or something that. [TS]

  It's things where you really don't want to just randomly fall out as you're using it like that would be inconvenient [TS]

  or cause problems so it is always kind of makes me feel weird about it but us P.C. Really like locks in place of us P.C. [TS]

  Is a very secure feeling connector. [TS]

  It does not at all have that problem as far as far as I can tell from my brief time with one so that I think is a [TS]

  massive improvement. You know also now you know we have the five K. Issue. Fairly solved it looks like. [TS]

  So that's that also helps. Again I think that you're right that the problem is now. The complexity of. [TS]

  Well this thing can be plugged into this U.S.B. Seaport. But not that U.S.B. [TS]

  Seaport and there's no visual way to identify which is which and you're going to have that a U.S.B. [TS]

  Seaport What is the. What how do you even call the part now. [TS]

  Because is it the thunderbolt three port need call it by the name of the highest speed bus the can run over a wire that [TS]

  you connections or that port. It's weird. [TS]

  Like when when presume sky like mac for pros come out with sports whose connector is the shape of the U.S.B. [TS]

  Type see connector. Well all those ports be called thunderbolt ports. Will be call them all U.S.B. Ports. [TS]

  But we will we call them anything different. [TS]

  When to Display Port one point two things change to to display part one point three than you can have for four K. [TS]

  Display isn't on the computer machine. [TS]

  It's still a thunderbolt three porters a thunderbolt three point one port like names becoming less it is just a wire [TS]

  over which we multiplex all sorts of signals the standards and protocols of those signals advance over time. [TS]

  And the maximum throughput of the of the wire itself. Advances over time. [TS]

  But we just keep calling the middle what is called them. Ports. Like Mabel than just our grandkids a little bit like. [TS]

  How many ports does your computer have. [TS]

  And how fast of the portfolio and it becomes less important to have a name for it I don't even know. [TS]

  But it's going to make it very difficult for everybody not you know especially you know non super informed geeks like [TS]

  like we hope we are. [TS]

  But you know it's going to be a big problem for everybody where like OK I have a computer that has this port on it. [TS]

  I want to buy this peripheral [TS]

  or I want to I want to know I I'm out of ports I want to buy a hub to give me more ports [TS]

  and then have your devices stop working because it's us B.C. Hub and half your devices are vulnerable. Like. [TS]

  And you know and you have no way to know that really ahead of time like things. Right now you can. [TS]

  You can look at the ports that you haven't you can look at devices and cables and peripherals and hubs and you. [TS]

  And you could you use no oh this is a. This is the shape or. I have two of those are my computer. [TS]

  I can plug that into that and it will probably work. Use your skills learned on the shapes order when you're a toddler. [TS]

  In this in this new world where we have this. We have one port. That is most likely going to be very common and. [TS]

  There's already tons of cables and hubs and devices on the market for us P.C. Now. There's already tons of them. [TS]

  And all those hubs that exist now that everyone is buying now at their mac book ones. They're going to. [TS]

  You know in two years or so going to have that they're going to have a different laptop maybe [TS]

  and it's good not going to work with half their stuff. [TS]

  It's going to be a weird situation that I'm not I'm not sure is a good thing overall. [TS]

  Well as people in China are pointing out like. [TS]

  And as Intel has been pushing with the technologies that is trying to attach to skyll a car make part of the same sort [TS]

  of push for new products. We talked about the past so is the whole idea of wireless connectivity. Which may be a. [TS]

  And here yet maybe isn't up to snuff for Apple's standards yet but we're going to uniform. [TS]

  Connector everywhere with different protocols but over it is an improvement over the status quo [TS]

  and eventually you would imagine that the things that can be wireless sort of high speed high bandwidth near field. [TS]

  Low power wireless. Can we get that's of the point where are the ports. [TS]

  Just stop being used for anything except for maybe power. [TS]

  You know sort of the dear old port thing that we talked about with that with the mac book one. That's not. [TS]

  I don't think that far in the future. In the order of you know. [TS]

  The good old five to ten years thing so I think this is a step up from where we were. [TS]

  We'll just deal with the confusion [TS]

  and what comes out of the other side of it is not a final unification on a single protocol on a single wire [TS]

  but rather the slow deterioration of the wire is an important thing that you plug into your devices for anything other [TS]

  than charge and we're already there with i OS devices were just convinced the entire world. [TS]

  You don't plug in a thing into this thing except for a cable. To charge it. Everything else. [TS]

  You do with it you do wirelessly. Even though that's not technically true you can plug all sorts of things into it. [TS]

  I think people like the idea of the wireless stuff even has flake you know I'm reliable at it as it is now. [TS]

  New versions of Bluetooth new you know. Near Field for the Apple Pay stuff. [TS]

  Future protocols that do similar things for displaying and you know doing doing air with air display with help Michael. [TS]

  Airplay airplay and doing airplay over different protocols look at calling it airplay but whatever the weird. You know. [TS]

  Wireless. High Definition display standard that Intel it comes up with several years from now. [TS]

  Building that instead of doing it though Apple does it now with H two six or compression over. [TS]

  Regular old wife I like that I think is the long term ends that of us but in the meantime. [TS]

  I'm very excited about a future line of computers period not just laptops [TS]

  but I'm excited about a new trash can MacPro with a bunch of thunderbolt three ports on the back whatever the hell you [TS]

  want to call it like just the back of this machine will just be bristling with little tiny U.S.B. [TS]

  Should three sit shaped holes. Even more than there are thunderbolt ports. And you'll have more capabilities. [TS]

  And it will be less of a hassle to plug them into this is that the final point on Thunderbolt three. [TS]

  They've finally seen the light on another thing which is the stupid Thunderball cables across a few bucks because they [TS]

  have chips in the connectors and it makes the connectors really long like one inch. [TS]

  One inch long stiff part they can't bend because that's where the chip isn't actually get warm and use them. [TS]

  They have a standard for passive wires and. It only goes half the speed. Twenty to give it's instead of forty. [TS]

  Although that has to be just the maximum speed of current thunderbolt it wasn't. [TS]

  I'll take that right so basically for the for the current speed. That you have now. You can get cheap. Fly flexible. [TS]

  Wires don't heat up when you use them with no chips in them. And you're twenty two you bit. [TS]

  And so that's great like that's. [TS]

  This is the fastest turn around time of ever seeing on a interconnect standard learning from all the mistakes the [TS]

  previous iteration is entering extender made because first of all thunderbolt already have the version three. [TS]

  And it's like barely used and only has an Apple computers. [TS]

  And it is already like correcting all that's past mistakes that are connector. [TS]

  Piggybacking on us be a passive thing for people who don't care. [TS]

  While still pushing the envelope of like actually we have double that speed if you're going to use the chip connector [TS]

  things are never so I'm really excited about next year's crop of Macs. One of which I am actually by. [TS]

  If my two thousand as pro last that long. You know I wonder. [TS]

  Because there because they're attaching a thunderbolt to U.S.B. and. We know that Apple is very unlikely. [TS]

  Extremely unlikely to ship to ship a computer where like you know these ports or U.S.B. Three by. These ports are U.S.B. [TS]

  Two like they're going to go all out in one of the other thunderbolt requires direct P.C.I. [TS]

  Leans right from the chipset and it's. [TS]

  It's most likely I would imagine I don't know offhand I would imagine it's much more expensive to have a thunderbolt [TS]

  port on on a on a motherboard on a computer than the new U.S.B. Port. [TS]

  It might not be possible to have more than two U.S.B. Sea ports on anything but a macro. [TS]

  Just because of the chipset limitations. So like you know look look at the IMAX today. I Macs have four U.S.B. [TS]

  Ports in the back. Are they going to have for us P.C. Ports on the next version. I kind of doubt it because I kind of. [TS]

  I would doubt that whatever chipsets Intel uses for the consumer level stuff. [TS]

  They might not support that many lanes for Thunderbolt to use. [TS]

  I think their list of the chipsets like they were going to make one super low power one this is a lot of people writing [TS]

  in to explain the mac book one. [TS]

  Although it doesn't really make sense because my one doesn't use honorable three [TS]

  but anyway they're going have one low power chipset they can only support one of these ports. [TS]

  Right that's the whole idea is like rolling into part one [TS]

  but it is a true thunderbolt three Paul that does everything and you know it's for the mac book one class of machine [TS]

  and it really only does support one so you can have a second one the like you said as well this one isn't thunderbolt I. [TS]

  know it looks the same. But this one is actually just plain old U.S.B. [TS]

  They didn't have that with the current mac book when they didn't have that problem. [TS]

  You could have made both identical [TS]

  but with a new one with under both Are you going to one hundred both report with this chipset. [TS]

  Because that's all we have the lanes for and then you can have other like plain U.S.B. [TS]

  Ports which Apple may or may not to within the next step up with the sort of better laptop things I think it was like. [TS]

  Now you can have two Thunderbolts reports it. Did you know if that will qualify for the mac book air. [TS]

  The mac book what I like to do we think that is machine is still going to be a thing. [TS]

  Not without a retina screen I don't see that live I don't see a twenty six new iteration of the medical care coming in [TS]

  twenty six being left about a retina screen it and I tire Lee convinced they're going to do that yet. But. But yeah. [TS]

  And so they. [TS]

  You're right they will be faced with this problem especially for the I Am i could be I'm like you don't have the excuse [TS]

  of like what. Then I could just basically put an internal hub. Inside there and have one of the. [TS]

  Thunderball three things branching out into basically an internal U.S.B. Hub and you have one. [TS]

  I mean this still face with the same problem you're going to have a bunch of connectors that are all shaped the same [TS]

  one of which has a little different symbol painted on [TS]

  and tiny paint that no one can actually read because behind the computer [TS]

  and nobody can see back there because it's dark. Right. But if you swivel it toward you to light up. Oh God yeah. [TS]

  Nah I'm not pro the IMAX right they have plenty of room [TS]

  and there plenty room inside the Imax to have five ports on the back of one of them is going to be like the good port.. [TS]

  Like the thunderbolt port. And all the rest of them are going to be these are just plain old U.S.B. [TS]

  And they can do that with a quote unquote. Two ports chipset from Intel. Right. [TS]

  Or just like I said they could have two Thunderbolts reports and then five. U.S.B. [TS]

  Port that Apple ever did because there's a stand here with more than five U.S.B. [TS]

  Ports running off like a plain old U.S.B. Three control like me. Technologically this is all possible. [TS]

  It all comes down to is the confusion factor. [TS]

  And on the back of the IMAX I think if you separated them even though the same shape if you separated them from each [TS]

  other like if you had a bunch in a row in a big space [TS]

  and the other ones are even put them on separate sides of the machine I don't know. [TS]

  I feel like if I had to make the choice I would rather have more ports. [TS]

  Even if some of them are only differentiated by stenciled Stamboul symbol like a laser etched on to eleven am. [TS]

  That's what I would want. [TS]

  But I'm not entirely sure that that's what Apple's do on I would imagine Apple's going to put a smaller number of ports [TS]

  on it and just you know. Deal with the short term griping. [TS]

  Oh yeah I mean if you want a lot of ports of various mixing [TS]

  and matching of things you're definitely looking at the wrong brand of computers. And the Metro. You know. [TS]

  They'll do use whatever crazy chipset that has the most insane number of P.C.I. [TS]

  Express lanes and they'll put as many parts in the bag about thing as they can. [TS]

  And that will just continue in its current form but the shape and size of the ports in the back will shrink. [TS]

  Who knows maybe they could even add ports that thing. [TS]

  On the macro that is the only model I can actually imagine and saying. These are all thunderbolt three parts. [TS]

  Blank space. These two are plain old U.S. B C. Like your mouse and keyboard here. [TS]

  Because by the hell not like they're also tiny there's so much stuff inside that computer. [TS]

  It wouldn't be a big deal to do that and it would free up like the good reports for your crazy multi S.S.D. [TS]

  Disk or a zero value or. I can do it. And you still buy one. I might. [TS]

  You know I've got my new computer eventually in theory. [TS]

  An infinite time because I don't know that one terabyte as they really did. Give us mac new life I do not. [TS]

  When I sit down of one of the computer now the only thing I notice is that you know. [TS]

  My wife screen is better than mine but other than that it feels great. [TS]

  I suspect you're going to keep using it until until it drops of support for the latest oh S. That would probably do it. [TS]

  I'm kind of glad that I've just in under the wire for the few updates and. [TS]

  They haven't even been advancing that the first last US is of all. Not change the hardware requirements. [TS]

  They cut off Merlin's old macro don't just stop cutting off old macros [TS]

  and that's right there was the last one in the door and that's that's it. [TS]

  Everything else is sixty four bit and tell you're going to go. Exactly. [TS]

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  Excellent. So is anything going on next week. [TS]

  From the late breaking a rumor the Seems like a lot less is going on then we thought that you know it's also you're [TS]

  talking about there John. Well I have a list of this is the B.O.C. [TS]

  Prediction section and had a list of like the hardware [TS]

  and software in things we're going to talk about in the late breaking stories in The New York Times is. [TS]

  But seems like the final in a series of stories about the ever rumored Apple T.V. Replacement. [TS]

  That was like oh it has a new remote it's coming it's going to have an S.D. [TS]

  Can pose working with companies to provide a way for you to watch. [TS]

  First run shows by paying the money like the Babel T.V. [TS]

  Dream is going to come true for everyone except are doing Monster because it's not an actual television set [TS]

  and then the final one post of the New York Times shortly before you. Recording began it was looks like Apple T.V. [TS]

  Dualities not going to devotee after all this follows on the previous story which is like looks like Apple's having [TS]

  trouble setting up all those content deals that it wants to set up. [TS]

  And they're like well even though the content deals they can release new hardware. [TS]

  Still the new remote might be cool and they can was released Arbor now and then later on [TS]

  when they finally get all these deals ironed out with all these content owners. [TS]

  Than they were just your hardware that you have would get better but if this rumors to be you believed. [TS]

  No new Apple T.V. Hardware. No Apple T.V. S.T.K. Off the menu for W W C Again it seems like the past three years. [TS]

  That the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Has been like I don't know they could the current to really old [TS]

  and well like this one was like All they did a price drop on the old one that means a new one is coming [TS]

  and we were already bored and now. [TS]

  and so I obviously entirely pessimistically believe these rumors of there will be level T.V. [TS]

  I hope I'm wrong and I'm really excited and pleasantly surprised because my current Apple T.V. [TS]

  Is flaking out big time and I've been I've switched to using Tivo for Netflix that's how far it's. It's gone. [TS]

  So yeah let's what do you guys think about it you are you basically crossing off the Apple T.V. and Your heart's. Well. [TS]

  I had already kind of done that because at the Rick. [TS]

  Recommendation of Dan more and I think we talk about this on the show. So I got an Amazon Fire T.V. Stick and. [TS]

  I love it. It is the first thing I turn to to do any sort of media consumption what I'm trying to do that at home or. [TS]

  When I'm traveling if I choose to take it with me. It has been far more reliable than my Apple T.V. Has been. [TS]

  It works really really well Netflix's grade on it. [TS]

  Plaques actually exists on it which is wonderful and that works really well. So I rarely use my Apple T.V. [TS]

  Anymore about the only thing I use it for is for air play like we were talking about earlier. And even then in a pinch. [TS]

  I can do that using a really hacky third party app on the fire T.V. Stick. So I would love to see a new Apple T.V. [TS]

  and See what they're going to do with it but I don't know I went from a loving my Apple T.V. [TS]

  To kind of not really caring about it in the span of about a year now maybe this is all. Discovery D.S. Use Masquerier. [TS]

  You know this is discovery the issues causing me to hate it and it's really not the Apple T.V. [TS]

  At all but one way or another. I just haven't really cared about the Apple T.V. [TS]

  In a while now marker you just posted something recently about yours. Not working for the millionth time is that right. [TS]

  First of all it's hilarious that now we're all Gene months during Apple. [TS]

  Now everyone's like oh when you knew the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Like it's a slight variation but it's pretty same thing Second of all. [TS]

  I think it's hilarious that the A five just won't die. [TS]

  Like it's an A five a how this ship that was released in two thousand and eleven is now still in the non retina. [TS]

  I Pad Mini was just a for sale. The current generation of i Pod Touch. Which is still for sale. [TS]

  The current generation of the Apple T.V. Which is now. Also still for sale. The A five. [TS]

  And we don't even know what the watching maybe the watch using a five is chip will not die. [TS]

  And developers keep having to support it forever. But anyway. And I think. I think that's probably. Honestly. [TS]

  Why there's no Apple T.V. I think the eighty five became sente and and. [TS]

  And I took over cover at Apple and had some dirt on Tim or something and [TS]

  and is just holding the company hostage now that that's why does no Apple two of all the things that are wrong with the [TS]

  the current Apple T.V. Pock the the incredibly weak C.B. You have actually I think not one of them. [TS]

  Because I was the strong enough to handle for resolution H.D. [TS]

  Video which is basically what's expected of a of a puck like device at this point. [TS]

  And everything we complain about is bugs like it's not like oh everything is slow because C.P.U. [TS]

  Is slow the response of ness is still OK as far as the thousand boxes go. When things work. [TS]

  And so you know we just really do need a new pocket that like. And the reason. You know like what you say our door.. [TS]

  Jean months during Tim Cook on those who keep saying where the Apple T.V. [TS]

  But it's not us doing that it's Tim Cook and Apple. Speaking with the corporate voice saying. We still believe in T.V.. [TS]

  We're interested in T.V. [TS]

  Like they're not just like not saying anything and then just left us to figure out the i Pod touch isn't coming back [TS]

  or whatever. Like they keep talking about T.V. and Like how they're still pursuing that and I think there's a. [TS]

  It's a venue for possible future. [TS]

  Disruption and advancement whatever that like they keep talking about it so if you keep talking about it [TS]

  and you drop the price [TS]

  and you're just a much like art So what are you talking about you talk about the stupid seventy nine dollars pocket we [TS]

  all hate now because it's buggy and old and slow and getting worse with time instead of better [TS]

  and messing up our networks because of discovery do you whatever. It's. [TS]

  They have to do something they're sending mixed messages here. [TS]

  And one of the messages we really care about television and we're interested in the future television [TS]

  and the other message is what they're actually doing which is. [TS]

  Just keeping the same product around way past its prime and you know if you have done is drop the price. [TS]

  Well you know I think it's very clear that they are you know there's so much smoke around. Around the there. [TS]

  They are definitely working on some kind of major update to it. But it's just not done yet. [TS]

  You know that's very clear and whether this is like a last minute slip [TS]

  or whether everyone was mis picked in the long before I mean. Or it could come out like it was just a rumor but it. [TS]

  But it seems like we're all writing it often seems like we're saying.. [TS]

  We believe the New York Times story now we are completely prepared for there to be no Apple T.V. Well.. [TS]

  It has everything about a controlled leak written all over it like this sure looks like Apple P.R. [TS]

  This is a controlled leak no question so you know that I believe that it's been kicked out of the queue know whether it [TS]

  was there or not in the first place we don't know whether this is heading as we taste is based on. [TS]

  New information or just tamping down. [TS]

  You know rumors and gotten out of hand and would disappoint people who knows doesn't matter. [TS]

  The fact is I believe that I believe the thing to say it's not going to be there. Anyway. [TS]

  There's nothing saying that they have to release this. At W.D.C. Like the. [TS]

  Everyone always assumes that Apple has to release new platforms. At the B.B.C. That that will have S.T.K. [TS]

  The sort of developers in the start I mean that's simply not the case. [TS]

  Look at the watch the watch was an entirely new platform. That has now. Many apps for it. [TS]

  The watch has not seen a W.D.C. Yet. It's about to. [TS]

  But you know it's all the entire watching it as DK was launched last November. With no event. [TS]

  Well with the watch event but like you know. No developer event. [TS]

  No no developer gatherings of any sort because the fact is. Do you do see holds about five thousand people. [TS]

  And there's hundreds of thousands of Apple developers. [TS]

  So there never they can never satisfy everybody at these events so they have to do things online they have to have [TS]

  these different systems and everything. So they can launch an Apple as an Apple T.V. With an S D K whatever they want. [TS]

  They don't have to do it next week. So if. If something has slipped where it's not quite ideal. Timing for P.R. [TS]

  Reasons like they're going to want to ship this device. Along with a really compelling. [TS]

  Customer story a really compelling reason why people want to buy it. Besides. Hey we made a different box. [TS]

  You know it runs the same crappy software that you're used to do you always need that reason though because I you know. [TS]

  They released a new mac hardware. Without a new all Wes are any new capabilities like. This is what happens if you. [TS]

  If you neglect your products into say well the Apple T.V. Have a spine like. There's something to be said for. [TS]

  Yes just coming out with a new box with a faster C.P.U. and G.P.U. With. [TS]

  You know lower power [TS]

  or less heat smaller size like just basic hardware advancement I'm not saying you do that every year for the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Because not maybe every year kind of product but every once in awhile. [TS]

  That type of change you can't you can't put that off where you can't understand the like oh we want to have content [TS]

  deals we want to have a new remote we want to have an S.D. K.. [TS]

  Like there's all these things that we see for the future of our little baby Apple T.V. [TS]

  But if those things keep getting delayed for whatever reason that's fine but in the meantime. [TS]

  It's OK just to do a hard rabbit and they did when they bonded to ten. But then they just said that's it. [TS]

  Like like now they're being stubborn we're not going to touch anything until we have everything to show you. [TS]

  Specially if this rumor is true that like. [TS]

  You know the content deals were falling through it [TS]

  and I can imagine some of those well why would we bother releasing that's like our headline feature. Like the S.T.K. [TS]

  Fine whatever. [TS]

  But our headline feature is hey now you can be a card cutter. [TS]

  and you can actually use to watch like quote unquote real T.V. And it seems like they're saving it all up to. [TS]

  You know imaginative but the watch management they said you know if we are not launching this without pulse ox. Right. [TS]

  And the F.D.A. Thing is holding up fine we're just not going to go bold lay it for another year. [TS]

  They didn't do that with the watch because it's seen as a much more important product in there was no existing one. [TS]

  And at this point the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Is so long in the tooth that I just wish they would they know they don't have to pull back Book want to release [TS]

  something that might be weird and awkward and they really they replace that [TS]

  but like release the hardware that you know will work for your future software plants at this point. [TS]

  The hardware must exist. [TS]

  And if the software is not ready for it like they should have if they had a contingency plan like this is just the new [TS]

  hardware with the old software and yet now a lot of show time thing that you can pay loving dollars a month [TS]

  and get Showtime just like you know with H.B.O. Go in to be on now. Or whatever. [TS]

  That's still an OK product keep song seventy nine dollars one sell this one for. [TS]

  So help sell this one for one forty nine or something maybe don't sell a lot of them. [TS]

  but eventually you'll have a selling proposition or you can say oh if you have the new Apple T.V. [TS]

  You can get all these amazing features. And these new content deals and whatever. [TS]

  And I'm going to I'm just getting frustrated with the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Both my specific hardware product that I'm slowly using less and less. [TS]

  And the fact that Apple put out a new one and the reason for that is gets into a question I have or Casey is. [TS]

  I have a lot of stuff that I bought an i Tunes Why do I buy them and I do [TS]

  and I guess because it's really easy I just go and press the button and the kids are watching a movie. But now. [TS]

  You know we all know this is the rest of us know it but we still do it anyway. [TS]

  Didn't you know you're buying things you can only watch an Apple devices. [TS]

  Yes I knew but I always assumed there would be some passable Apple device that I could use to watch it. [TS]

  So now what it was a lot of the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Because the kids want to watch a movie that we have purchased from i Tunes So Casey do you have a lot of i Tunes [TS]

  purchases. I guess not if you're abandoning entirely for the Amazon thing. [TS]

  I have a fair bit of i Tunes music purchases but those were already abandoned in favor Spotify. [TS]

  I know for some people that works for some people that doesn't but that's what I've done. I have. [TS]

  I don't know that I've ever purchased a movie on i Tunes I do have a couple of ultra violet move. [TS]

  The soft gotten the blue ray. [TS]

  And that comes with a digital copy and you can typically redeem that in one of several pursue proprietary systems [TS]

  and offer deemed that copy with an i Tunes. But generally speaking I will. [TS]

  If I'm buying a movie or if I want a movie for like my birthday or something. [TS]

  Generally speaking what I'll do as a last word on Blu ray. And then I will rip it and stick it on my NASS using. [TS]

  Don Melton scripts. [TS]

  In order to get it so that it's accessible without the desk though if I were to sit down and watch a movie. [TS]

  Just like Aaron and I for example. [TS]

  I would put in the Blu ray if I have it available which I know makes me weird in a lot of ways as your bouncing baby [TS]

  boy gets bigger I can imagine. [TS]

  You will find yourself in a similar situation to most parents which is gives one a large movie your service I'm not [TS]

  going to order a D.V.D. [TS]

  Get a drip apply can have them show it watch it later you're going to you're going to pull up whatever you need to pull [TS]

  up to buy the movie now and start watching it maybe a few that will be your Amazon. Whatever Fire T.V. Stick. [TS]

  Like that apple. [TS]

  You know that that your impulse purchases of movies that you're not interested enough in to watch on Blu ray that you [TS]

  want your kid to see and want to be always available. You'll buy them on the stick. [TS]

  Rather than buying on the able to be but for us. We've already bought a ton of then awful T.V. [TS]

  and I imagine Marco has to like you know kids movies. Oh yeah. [TS]

  The vast majority of movies that we own through i Tunes are Pixar movies. [TS]

  Those are important to me that I get the fancy Blu rays for but I'm just talking about like other random stuff [TS]

  or even movies for myself like. I don't know just like a Marvel movie that I'm not that into. [TS]

  But I want to see it all just go and buy it on turns [TS]

  and I've even done i Tunes rentals which I thought I would never do because they're so Expect. [TS]

  That us look if you think the movies important after rent like. [TS]

  And I have Netflix like why you renting a movie or my tunes is just were so unclear. [TS]

  Credibly lazy that you don't want to wait for a distill arrive [TS]

  and if it's not available on streaming you're just going to you know what I mean just rented I turns. [TS]

  Three ninety nine for two people to watch a movie it's way cheaper than going to movies. It's fine and then. [TS]

  This point we're never just buying them because if you rented. [TS]

  He rented one thing [TS]

  and the kids want to see it it's good that family movie than you rented twice should just bought it anyway. [TS]

  So I know anyway the point is all of my movies are trapped in the i Tunes ecosystem so I desperately want Apple to at [TS]

  least maintain some sort of competence [TS]

  and update the hardware so I can continue to watch the movies that I paid for because unlike music. [TS]

  They haven't gone dear I'm free so I can sort of take them out of their cage [TS]

  and put them someplace else to put in perspective just a few days ago I decided to buy the movie Sneakers from the [TS]

  early ninety's and it did not even cross my mind to weaken i Tunes I mediately went to Amazon found a Blu ray [TS]

  and shipped it to myself. That was the first thing I did I didn't even consider doing anything else. [TS]

  Well you should get sneakers on Blu ray because at the Newport movie. I agree. It's a wonderful movie. [TS]

  That Mark wasn't seen or probably ever heard of. Yeah I heard of it. [TS]

  I don't know if I've seen or I might have seen it like. Back when it was back when it was current I might have seen it. [TS]

  It's a great great movie have you seen wargames Marco. Yes. You're not completely without hope than says pot kettle. [TS]

  Now most of the movies I haven't seen. Came out like. [TS]

  After two thousand and two and all this was ninety two so you don't really have any excuses. Right exactly. [TS]

  Yet ninety's I have. I have covered pretty well you know. Good deal.. [TS]

  What else do you think is happening at the read every D.C. What are we getting on the watch. [TS]

  We getting complicated third party complications I say No way. [TS]

  There but a couple of rumors [TS]

  and said Yes I don't know I mean I'm right now like I made my big post last week about like you know I have so many. [TS]

  questions about the about the Apple Watch native S.T.K. We know that we're getting it like that's been confirmed. [TS]

  So we know that we are getting the native watch as DK We don't know how limited it will be what it will [TS]

  and won't be able to do what it will and won't be allowed to do by policy. There are so many questions on that. [TS]

  That all we can say is we're getting it if DK. [TS]

  But like I I have no idea from my point of view whether an overcast app will be possible. Whether it will not suck. [TS]

  You know like I have whether it whether it's possible to make one of those and suck. I have no idea. [TS]

  So I'm looking forward to it. It's very impressive to me it sounded very aggressive timing. [TS]

  To have this already with so soon after the launch of the watch. But hey if they can do it. Great. [TS]

  As a kind of weird that they pre-announced like I mean. I'm trying to think why why bother. Pre-announce and. [TS]

  I read all kind of expected it was coming I want to save the surprise like it was so pressing that there was pressure [TS]

  on them to have to say No seriously it's coming because they tell you they told us it was coming they said like this is [TS]

  what you have now you have watched it made of X. The F.D.A. [TS]

  In the future they could of just said that because of the last you heard from. [TS]

  and we all would assume it would have been a W.C. [TS]

  Would it have been slightly more exciting for them not to have confirmed shortly before they viewed as the way memory [TS]

  civil the S.T.K. In the future. [TS]

  Well the future is that you never do see it as exactly when you're going to see it why bother. [TS]

  Spoiling that minor surprise. Yes sure but you know. Maybe maybe when they decided to say that publicly. [TS]

  Which is what about a week ago when this item maybe that's also when they decided the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Was going to make the cut. Or maybe they know I I hope they knew by then whether the Apple T.V. [TS]

  Wasn't going to make the cut. And so maybe that was maybe this is kind of a two stage. P.R. Management move. [TS]

  Where you're trying to like give people good news first. [TS]

  So then the bad news doesn't stink as badly I don't know but that's just a. Yes. [TS]

  I don't think it matters where the others just it's like a difference of. [TS]

  You know it used to be that Apple or keep every possible secret could even when everybody knew. [TS]

  Like it so obvious they were going to do something they wouldn't say that. I mean and speaking of obvious. [TS]

  I was nine and in a new version or Stan everyone I guess assumes that there was what they call exist. [TS]

  Apple is has announced that maybe they probably have bikes come see what's new in the next version of i OS A know [TS]

  that's probably in that obviously later some I didn't bother looking [TS]

  but that's kind of an assumption based on their yearly schedules. [TS]

  They won't tell you what they're going to be called or names of the still a little bit of surprise there. [TS]

  But I assume we all agree that those two things. [TS]

  Do we think you know one of those things are going off the early scheduled we just assume there will be new major [TS]

  versions of both of those they'll be there. Yeah. All right so now. What's in them. [TS]

  What a survey by us not what is what is what characterizes I was like that's a tough thing I don't I don't know of any [TS]

  low hanging fruit that. I really really really want to see changed. For the life me I can think of anything that. [TS]

  That irks me on a regular basis and a lot of people have been calling for. [TS]

  You know taking watch style complications and putting them in the lock screen or perceived [TS]

  and potentially putting them in spring board and. [TS]

  I don't know maybe that's one of those things that once it arrives I'll be like oh yes I can't imagine not having this [TS]

  anymore. But I don't really feel like I want any of that stuff and so to me. [TS]

  I just feel like I want everything to be a little less buggy and a little more reliable and. [TS]

  I don't know if I mean I was specifically I don't know if i mean i Cloud since I've been burned by that over the last [TS]

  few days. [TS]

  But I would just love to see a slow down release [TS]

  and I think that's what we're going to get I think we're going to get less whiz bang features than we do you generally [TS]

  speaking. But will still get a handful. [TS]

  But I think that there will be a plus a public admission isn't the word I'm looking for [TS]

  but a public statement that this is about tuning things up in cleaning things out. And what do you think Marco. [TS]

  I'm mostly with you. I do think there. That there's a lot of stuff they could do to improve things user facing that. [TS]

  That wouldn't be. You know totally of the blue like last year they introduce this amazing extension system. [TS]

  There are still a few places verse engines could be useful and welcome. So possibly new extension points. [TS]

  Possibly enhanced into to just an extension points. [TS]

  You know things that you can expand from and you know some small seeming [TS]

  but very helpful things such as apps being able to launch specific extensions from specific people that would be nice [TS]

  or. One of the big ones. Mail app supporting extensions. [TS]

  That would be nice because it's kind of weird [TS]

  and really annoying that it doesn't fit the Apple Mail app could launch extensions that would be amazing. [TS]

  So there's stuff like that there's a lot of enhanced Missa things we already have generally. [TS]

  But they can make them better. Or they can expand them. [TS]

  Lots of that stuff is what I'm looking forward to hoping for in addition to. You know the refinement. [TS]

  I mean if you look. If you just look at what we're seeing over the last few days with the. The ten ten for bad. [TS]

  Replacing discovery with the old M.D.'s responder. [TS]

  I think based on what I've what I've read in the research I've done whatever else been saying. [TS]

  I think that replacing discovery deal with the old reliable emptiness responder. Is going to solve. [TS]

  More than half of the issues I face every day with Apple products where I agree I. [TS]

  I never really got as bugged by it as like you and Chuck and very data mean. [TS]

  I certainly had you know case of a smack for a one two three four. But it seems. [TS]

  To me that the a lot of the issues you guys have like you had said Marco about your printer was constantly having And [TS]

  she's. [TS]

  I don't have a fancy printer so I never in Indonesia that sort of thing [TS]

  but just my gut in me is because of just listen to everyone. [TS]

  Talk about it all the time [TS]

  but my gut tells me that some of these things that I can't really attribute what they're for like Apple T.V. [TS]

  Want it's very rare that I can get my Apple T.V. To kick on. [TS]

  When I try to airplay to it I have to go over to it and turn it on and then half the time [TS]

  when I turn it on the darn thing won't be visible in my airplane devices. [TS]

  Starting to wonder if a lot of these little kooky weird things that are starting to drive me up a wall are Discovery [TS]

  D.M.D.'s responder issues. [TS]

  You know I don't know how widespread these problems are because from what I've seen from all the reports on the nature [TS]

  of the problems the make them so incredibly maddening is that they're sort of like a poisoning of your environment a. [TS]

  lot of the fixes like look. Unplug your Apple T.V. Turn off your router. Shut everything down and then turn. [TS]

  And then like start them up in this order. Because if you don't. [TS]

  A feature of the new discovery do you think whatever are existing features of the various Apple devices of they will [TS]

  hang onto mappings between MAC addresses and names and other stuff they will. They'll keep that information. [TS]

  Even when the machines from which that information originated. Are turned off. [TS]

  So merely restarting your mac doesn't fix it because there's your Apple T.V. [TS]

  Off in the corner that you forgot about that's holding onto those poisoned addresses [TS]

  and forcing your mac pick a different number whatever like I don't understand the details of it [TS]

  but a lot of the analyses I've read. [TS]

  Have pointed to a sort of distributed problem [TS]

  or it's not just a local problem on your machine where some software that's behaving badly. [TS]

  It's that bad information spreads across your network [TS]

  and if you don't sort of flush it out in the most heinous way possible. [TS]

  You're screwed and that even if you do flush it out it could still come back [TS]

  or whatever so those problems are incredibly frustrating [TS]

  but it also means that I think there are a lot of people myself included who have never had any problems at all because [TS]

  the poison has not seeped into our network for whatever reason. I remember when I had the loaner mac book at W.W. C. [TS]

  Last year with Yosemite on it. I immediately saw the two three four numbers going up. [TS]

  Just from using that can use machine alone by itself A W W D C C My number increase [TS]

  and I'm like oh well that's a bug right. But when I got everything home on my home network. [TS]

  Everything just seemed to work [TS]

  and with the oh seventy my entire usage of Yosemite I haven't had any why five problems I haven't had any printing [TS]

  problems I haven't had a networking problems. [TS]

  I have seen the numbers every once in awhile but they've never gone over two or something so I don't know. [TS]

  I get it this is the nature of the problem like this is definitely a problem [TS]

  and it's the worst kind of problem because the people who have it. It's like. [TS]

  I don't know like an infestation of insect or somebody doesn't burn the house down and then. [TS]

  And then I got a new house and even then they might come back. [TS]

  So yeah this seems like a big misstep and it's a shame because this type of move. [TS]

  Like why replace M.D.'s responded with just everyday well [TS]

  and one who has spent a long time ago is ten remembers the complaints about M.D.'s responder being flaky [TS]

  and having to kill it [TS]

  and installing old versions Amanda asked responder because the old version was better than the new version like that [TS]

  that was the thing and many years past that and the as responder was a source of all sorts of bugs and stuff [TS]

  or whatever. [TS]

  And eventually it shakes out but it's like someone comes [TS]

  and says look the reason M.D.'s responder was all buggy is because actually have the wrong design in the future [TS]

  distributed in the wrong way. And we really need a clean sheet approach air. [TS]

  And then discovered is there queen's you to purge it gets a new name it does different things but. [TS]

  But it's bugging it's got some terrible bugs in manifest in terrible ways and everybody hates it right. [TS]

  And the wrong lesson to take from this is never try to radically change anything ever. [TS]

  I think you have to [TS]

  and those are the type of moves from A Chorus group that I want to see that's why I wrote an entire section about. [TS]

  launch D. Which is a replacement for the a net. Program which is like old school Unix. How can your place in it. [TS]

  That's like. [TS]

  Why would you get rid of that it works perfectly fine it's been around for decades part of free vs the M.B.'s the [TS]

  and Unix [TS]

  and everything like you're going to get rid of a net you're going to replace it with what some weird thing that sort of [TS]

  also does the same thing as Krom but also watches for IO [TS]

  and triggers jobs based on device like on even know what you're doing here you're biting off more than you can chew [TS]

  with second system syndrome. Launch these a stupid idea but I totally applaud launch day. That's why I wrote about it. [TS]

  And I think it's great and I think the launch date you know it had a bumpy start. [TS]

  but once results running all your Macs now. That is a success. Discovery D. Not so much a success. [TS]

  So I stoped Apple's core US group or whoever is responsible discovery keep doing things like Discovery Day. [TS]

  Because that's what. That's what they should be doing. [TS]

  They should not be resting on their laurels they should not accept the Unix underpinnings as a that they should always [TS]

  be trying to make something better. Just you know. Work on the execution. [TS]

  Right underneath it one more thing I know it's not as unlikely. This is a release where we you know. [TS]

  Focus on stability and make things nice involve law. You know and like Marco said. [TS]

  In addition to doing all the usual stuff like a million bucks fixes and all the frameworks and small new features. [TS]

  Stuff like that. This is kind of. Not so they did it on purpose as way but it is it is a beautiful symmetrical P.R. [TS]

  Win for Apple because last year. We were all jazz a devilry see that look all new language. Crazy new awareness. [TS]

  All sorts of things you couldn't do before. You know. [TS]

  Last year was a keyboard like new keyboard than suffer [TS]

  and there was an extensions like wow just stars in our eyes everything we always wanted from Apple. [TS]

  This is great right. And this year. You know after the long year of bugs and weirdness and stuff like that this year. [TS]

  Every one of her kind of grumbly. Apple can get the same. [TS]

  Rounds of applause [TS]

  and good feelings from developers by saying the exact opposite this year we're going to buckle down [TS]

  and make everything better and everyone will applaud and applaud. Like they have that. [TS]

  It's two totally different messages both years they're going to make developers happy and. [TS]

  It's not like this evil plot to do it but it's like. That's what you have to do like. [TS]

  What do we have to do to make developers happy. Last year. [TS]

  Well they had to do was give them all the things they've been withholding for a long time. [TS]

  This year all they have to do is say. We've heard your complaints. [TS]

  And we're going to really buckle down and we're going to make this like a polishing your make everything better [TS]

  and they'll get the exact amount of pauses they got last year. So that's totally what I expect to happen. [TS]

  I I want them to emphasize that they're working on stability and refinements [TS]

  and I want those to be the big applause lines from the disgruntled developers. [TS]

  I can't imagine this year that they would say we're going even faster into the future [TS]

  and I was not going to have more new features than I was a dozen It's going to be crazy because developers will be like [TS]

  Can you just six the bugs in the framework that you have like this is one of those here. [TS]

  And so I think the cycle is natural and just maybe exaggerated because of the huge bonanza last year [TS]

  and what I imagine to be the sort of doubling down on reliability and refinement and polish this year. [TS]

  Well and also they have the watch S D K two to take some of the P.R. [TS]

  Burden to to to to be a big part of like the wow factor this year so that I'll S. and Macko S. Can. [TS]

  Can kind of rest for a second. If they're not going to rest for long. [TS]

  But they can they can like you know take a brief nap. While the watch does its thing and Apna. Well. [TS]

  Yeah yeah that'll be nice like the watch. I'd also be fun to see the. The phone not be the hottest product of W.B.C. [TS]

  and How that. [TS]

  How that affects the poor phones you go back had already like this used to be my comrades and I was I was this [TS]

  and I was that and there have more sessions than we do a number on cares about the mac. [TS]

  And now it's going to be like all the watches the new I guess the phone still belongs is like a like watch you get [TS]

  nothing without mail your apps come from the south out of all the still work out. But and. [TS]

  As for us ten people come at all they did ten ten. If they're going to change the X. [TS]

  To an eleven or some bogus crap like that this would be the time to do it I don't know I don't I don't. [TS]

  I don't think there's any pressure to rename the thing I think it will be ten eleven will be a different California [TS]

  place name. What will be and it. I think they can get away with the same thing. Saying you know. Discovery deal loan. [TS]

  Enough reason that people in their own would applaud if they emphasize that the new version of Office ten refine the [TS]

  existing features of the life. I still feel like there's more pressure on O. S. [TS]

  Tend to have something new like every year they have something they want to show you. [TS]

  If they're like last year payback and I say it so much as I call extensions and share things and whatever [TS]

  and you can you share a lot of the same code like it was. It was as a writer Mary view. To us is moving together. [TS]

  Forward like we all have the same features the other hand off of the future that we share extensions is a future that [TS]

  we share alike even though they manifest in different ways. The feature. The abilities are the same and. [TS]

  They only make sense together. If I was nine says this is this is like a rebuilding polishing here. [TS]

  All this time say the same thing this is a rebuilding polishing year. [TS]

  Can you give us ten Peters at this point without them having problems and US nine. [TS]

  I don't even know I can't out of an obviously in the file system whatever. But you know thing. [TS]

  If that happens I'm going to retire. [TS]

  Like I'm not going to ever got it everywhere I go one year the Make a new alliance [TS]

  or go now the other make a new file system I should just never bother going again because it's all downhill from there. [TS]

  Or you should go every year. See what else they come up with. Yeah. No I mean like. [TS]

  I think with with Macko as you're going to have. [TS]

  You know you have similar opportunities as you do with I.O.U.'s for things like enhanced means to the extension system. [TS]

  Extensions in more places different kinds of extensions like. [TS]

  Just stop right there is lots of room for little things that I mean a long time says as no one knows better than you [TS]

  John. A lot of times with the oh S. Is the the big headlining features of macro S. [TS]

  Are just like are things like enhanced pens to mail. [TS]

  Like you know enhanced miss to like some of the basics to Master Builders O.-S. Features. [TS]

  And then there's also a bunch of. You know underlying changes to to nice stuff for a new A.P.I. [TS]

  Is like that's the kind of thing I would expect for macro S. [TS]

  This year like a couple of marketing features like in some of the built in apps or in Finder or something. [TS]

  Not you know not like a really heavy duty kind of thing. And then just a whole bunch of A.P.I. [TS]

  and Handsome and under the hood and refinements to extension the stuff like that. You know. [TS]

  I'm not expecting big stuff if they do a new file system that would be amazing for you and for the show. [TS]

  I wouldn't expect it. Honestly. [TS]

  Yeah and I don't expect to be there so long people asking about the Follistim slab I didn't check last year schedule [TS]

  but it's not always a lab. That always one of the labs about fossils themselves. [TS]

  I think so yeah like it's not the just there to talk about like you know how to use K.Q. [TS]

  or Whatever to watch for file changes or the. You know all the different. Cocoa A.P.I. [TS]

  Is for for monitoring file changes in dealing with extended actually use and how to copy fall I could just. [TS]

  I think it's a standard thing to have every year so I did I read nothing into it I don't expect a new file system. [TS]

  I never expect no files of them. So whatever. Whatever happened. I'm mad. It's just a simple. Hi. [TS]

  I have a question so in years past it wasn't every year but in many years past. [TS]

  We could kind of figure out what was coming with hardware based on what kind of got winks and nudges. [TS]

  When they discussed new A.P.I. [TS]

  As the classic example of this and the only one I can think of of Tama head is the auto layout and size classes. [TS]

  Work holier Lee indicating that you need to start as a developer thinking about sizes that aren't. The the. [TS]

  The one that we have now or two if you've include non retina. [TS]

  And then the next thing you know the you know when that fall we got. I Phone six and six pause. [TS]

  I thought I was thinking. As I was driving around earlier today. You know what is it that. [TS]

  That we're probably going to see in new A.P.I. [TS]

  That indicates what new hardware might might bring and the thing that jumped to my mind was forced touch. [TS]

  And what I was planning on asking you guys was. How did they tell us to develop. [TS]

  For the potential for force touch without tipping their hand the next i Phone will have forced touch [TS]

  and then it occurred to me. Well to a degree they already have that A.P.I. [TS]

  and Watch kit in so maybe what they'll do is there won't be any mention of it during W T C. [TS]

  But when the time comes for this to be spreading across I.O.'s you it'll be a very similar looking A.P.I. [TS]

  Hopefully that make sense so my question to you guys is is there anything you can think of that would be like the [TS]

  canary in the coal mine for newer hardware features. As the split screen. [TS]

  Thing where you divide the screen up [TS]

  and pieces for the big i Pad like that that code was in there for what it was in every way fate [TS]

  and they just you know someone founded an effort. [TS]

  While with aging you could actually executed and watch it do its thing. [TS]

  I assume that code is still being worked on and. [TS]

  There's no probably no reason for it to exist until a larger i Pad appears [TS]

  or maybe it's that maybe to headline future of US nine but that's a feature that. [TS]

  You know I think they can put that [TS]

  and I with nano like wait a second I thought I was nine was a rebuilding year it's like. [TS]

  Yeah but we've basically had features Iowa state it just wasn't ready didn't make the cut [TS]

  or didn't make sense that larger hardware so I could see them. [TS]

  Releasing that without telling you that they're also going to make a bigger i Pad air [TS]

  and on phone the FOR SUCH THING I think you nailed it I think that will be the for such a POS for native watch things. [TS]

  We all know for such as coming to other devices. When it does come a bit like a and it's the same A.B.I. [TS]

  There used to from Watch get done and done. Well the only trick about that though.. [TS]

  Is first of all I mean you know on the watch probably gonna be a really simple A.P.I. [TS]

  The big trick it with that is that on the watch for structure is only the entire screen. [TS]

  You don't force touch a location. You force touch the screen. [TS]

  But that's not a limitation of the hardware that's how they've chosen that moment right.. [TS]

  As far as we know you're correct. On the Mac. [TS]

  The forced touch is a positional thing it's basically an alternate click at wherever the mouse currently is on I.O.'s [TS]

  presumably. You know just because of the size of the devices. [TS]

  I would expect for stocks and I was to also be positional the way it is on the mac. [TS]

  So I would actually guess it has very little to do with the watch implementation. That being said it's also such a. [TS]

  You would expect it's not a very complicated A.P.I. Either. [TS]

  Like it's probably just another gesture [TS]

  or another touch event you can respond to so that's the kind of thing that you know like like in previous years like. [TS]

  Like when underscore or plus plus. He wrote that entire app. In like. Week. Because Apple Apple added the motion A.P.I.. [TS]

  Like when they announced the new i Phones not at the B.B.C. That year. [TS]

  But you know that September when everyone the i Phones were announced it had the new M seven chip in them that. [TS]

  Like that's [TS]

  when they added that so they could do the same thing this year where they could totally leave it out of everybody C. [TS]

  and Just you know in September whenever they have the i Phone event. Announce it then release I.I.S. [TS]

  Nine point one beta. With that and our nine point one G.M. Even with that and just have you submit apps within that. [TS]

  Week or two that you have. And that. And that would be like they don't they don't really need to do it at this event. [TS]

  You know I think those are the differences for the M seven it was maybe you were kind of hinting at this [TS]

  but it was a very very simple A.P.I. Whereas like you had said. The forced touch A.P.I. [TS]

  Well it's pretty simple on watch kit. That may be less simple. For when it hits I.O.'s and. [TS]

  So I think that they could hold on to some things like the M seven and told the eleventh hour. [TS]

  Something that's a little bit bigger more complex or into again auto layout [TS]

  and science classes are a great example this. They had to at least tip their hat a little bit about it and. [TS]

  And I don't know I just thought was an interesting thought exercises to. [TS]

  You know what might we see in the what smoke might we see in the A.P.I. That indicates a fire coming this fall. [TS]

  Well the two aspects of it one is like the different callbacks and delegate methods and event types or whatever [TS]

  and they don't have to really reveal those but the other is you would imagine. When for such comes Tylwyth devices. [TS]

  What will come with it is least a handful of places where the where you I could state of controls that is responsive to [TS]

  Forest touch in some way. [TS]

  Like maybe is it a new controller a new picker [TS]

  or some existing control that for such as a function on because I also agree with Mark that I believe it will be [TS]

  positional although I would be fun to have the toddler fist gesture for your i Pad [TS]

  or that of smack the whole hand that holds your responses you know what I'm interpreting that like a watch forced touch [TS]

  right wrist and whole screen. Like that should take you home or something you know about them anyway. [TS]

  That type of thing where they're trying to show you what the hell because they're not going to force touch on their i [TS]

  was hardware and say we don't use this feature at all [TS]

  but you developers can figure it out for something like they're going to ship. [TS]

  They're going to ship for such and I was device. [TS]

  It's going to have uses in I.O.'s in native controls in the apps that Apple ships. [TS]

  And by doing that they could be like well here's the A.P.I. [TS]

  For the event and here the callbacks message that you can get for on the to be an end of these type of things [TS]

  and positions and until it's the. But by the way. These native controls these particular things are these zero S. [TS]

  Features already use that So if you want to make an app with this new control. [TS]

  This new control has the ability to do something special in forest touch. [TS]

  You hook up your stuff to here to do that and by the way if they for such here it brings of the most desk which are. [TS]

  And you may have to be ready for that could happen during the screen where previously couldn't stuff like that. [TS]

  So I expect Apple to lead on the fourth touch and I was devices. And I think it can do that leaving without much. [TS]

  Preannouncement of an A.P.I. Because I really do think that the vast majority of the new surface area of the A.P.I. [TS]

  Is hooking into a last related things an apple standard controls [TS]

  and everything else is like well in your own thing if you want to handle these events yourself this is a new kind of [TS]

  event and maybe some new callbacks and then do whatever the hell you want. [TS]

  I'm also like just in general with force touch and you know I said the seven. [TS]

  You know about the max to like I I'm not that excited about force Tuck's I don't really see it changing things [TS]

  dramatically for the better for much. I see where it was necessary. On the watch and it isn't great. [TS]

  On the watch even but I can see why it's it's you look at the compromise where you have a very very small screen. [TS]

  And not a lot of room for buttons or menus or anything so this is like the compromise of. [TS]

  Well you don't have room for buttons and menus and your app so you can do the special jester in most places [TS]

  and you'll get some additional options. On i OS devices though I think there's enough screen space and there's enough. [TS]

  You know establish a new i paradigms there. [TS]

  That you really don't need for stocks you really don't need like the secondary gesture. [TS]

  There's already so many weird hidden gestures [TS]

  and combos you can do in Iowa devices to do certain things that are almost nobody knows about. [TS]

  And just serve to confuse people. I fear this might just be another one of those things like. [TS]

  We we really don't need this ability to like basically right click everywhere and I.O.'s [TS]

  and search for functionality that is underscored verbal that you know. [TS]

  It worries me a little bit seems like kind of a thing that is something cool that they figure out how to do in the [TS]

  hardware but that has very limited usefulness. [TS]

  And it seems like it's going to be overused for a while in the short term and. You know. [TS]

  But again I'm also a skeptic about forced talk from the MAC I also think that. You know it. [TS]

  It seems like it's this weird. Third click. That is not a right click. [TS]

  That is about as discoverable as right click [TS]

  and is additional thing that does different things depending on what you click and how you click it just. [TS]

  It seems to me. Forced talk seems like this kind of like. It seems like it's like Apple's fad of the year. [TS]

  And I I don't like it as much as they seem to I think you're thinking of it too much as a binary thing I get is on the [TS]

  watch. Because I know I don't know. I don't know what the limitations of the sensors. [TS]

  But I can imagine on something the size of an i Pad or even a phone that the sensors can be better [TS]

  and more sophisticated it stops being a binary thing where it's either you're tapping or you're forced touching [TS]

  and it starts being how can we approximate pressure sensitive tablets or pressure sensitive finger presses. [TS]

  To make a finger pointing up or a little kid can smash with their finger around and make thicker [TS]

  and thicker lines with their finger is it sensitive enough to do that because again you have the position [TS]

  and you have the force. It's just a question of whether the sensors have that kind of resolution. [TS]

  No matter where you press on the thing if you stop thinking of it as a binary on off thing. It makes actually the. [TS]

  Most sense on i OS devices on the watch is like yeah the whole services for such because it's. [TS]

  You know it's too small for you to be precisely doing whatever it's a decision they made. [TS]

  There may be limited by the size of the sensors they have to have on the mac. Same deal like it's your. [TS]

  You're not writing on the screen you're not touching the screen it's this other thing or whatever. [TS]

  But on an i Pad our phone. If forced touch. [TS]

  Can Be think of it instead of instead of being for such Think of it as the screen is now pressure sensitive. [TS]

  That has lots of implications for any kind of interface where you want. [TS]

  Different degrees of pressure not just on or off but a whole gradation of you know to fifty six. [TS]

  Couple thousand levels of pressure depending on how sensitive they are for drawing apps for games. [TS]

  Even for if they can come up with a control in the same way that the current standard controls for scrolling [TS]

  or sort of speed sensitive as and how fast you flick. [TS]

  And how how long your path is a a long slow swipe moves a thing differently than a short fast one [TS]

  and tapping it stops it like those are all. Gestures where velocity is used as an interface element. [TS]

  And that velocity is not on or off fast or slow it's a great day sion of speeds. [TS]

  So if they can use a great nation and pressure to provide interface elements that behave. [TS]

  Even more sort of in a way that is familiar to being under our fingers like it feels. [TS]

  Giving a sort of weight to the controls [TS]

  or new gestures that involve pressing a little bit harder a little bit lighter influencing how how things move [TS]

  or maybe how much friction there is between your finger in the imaginary service that's being stimulated by the lights [TS]

  under the screen. I'm a little bit more optimistic about it but I really all depends on. [TS]

  I don't know the capabilities of what they consider there for such hardware ever really is binary. [TS]

  And I still think they could use it to do stuff like in the interface and show the stupid home but [TS]

  when you can tap a million different ways I don't know for a touch makes that worse or better [TS]

  but it's clear the kind of overloading a lot of things with multi tap multi finger gestures I would probably trade. [TS]

  A couple. Of those for the hard pressed versus off press. [TS]

  But maybe that just makes it worse maybe they'll never give up things they those keep adding more [TS]

  and more testers this is like a hard three finger force touch in the upper left corner and that would be crazy [TS]

  but I'm really hoping that the capabilities. And the sensors they can fit in a device that size. [TS]

  Have more capabilities and that it can finally be the sort of input device that reads different degrees of pressure [TS]

  and the smart things with. Well and the force to extract pad on the max. [TS]

  I think it does have a talk about how you can draw the signature with pressure sensitivity and stuff. [TS]

  And the fast forward on the video even like you fast forward slowly and fast [TS]

  or the hardier presidents don't know how how many how many levels there are [TS]

  and it's a lot easier to do multi levels on the trackpad than it is to do on a big. I like on a big i Pad screen. [TS]

  If I'm pressing exactly dead center with a certain amount of force. [TS]

  Does that register the same as pressing in the lower left corner with the exact same amount of force. [TS]

  Maybe you need more than centers of the corners may need centers all around me many times I don't know the tech behind [TS]

  it. You know. You would hope that it's going to be like one of those awake on tablets or whatever. [TS]

  They put the pressure sensitivity of the pen which is the clever way around this entire problem [TS]

  but we need this to work with fingers or hot dogs or whatever people are using [TS]

  or causing a how to whatever the using to poke at there a capacitive touch screen. [TS]

  Well also I have a concern also I would not necessarily think that forced touch [TS]

  and I was devices is a sure thing yet because if you look at the tear downs the way it works it basically puts string [TS]

  gauges on the four corners of the of the glass surface that it's being put on glass. Flexes. When you push it. [TS]

  And the on the watch. [TS]

  You know the watches it wears glasses the fire it's a pretty small surface area and it's a pretty thick. [TS]

  Screen on top of their so I wouldn't expect there to be any flex there. [TS]

  That would be noticeable problem on these on the string gauges [TS]

  but it's also arc which helps the strength like the watch is like a like a like a tent that helps [TS]

  and stiffen it exactly. [TS]

  On the mac trackpads you can see [TS]

  when you see them in the store if you haven't you can see you can see the thickness of the glass like if you look on on [TS]

  on the edge of the trackpad you can you notice that oh this is this is actually a visibly thick piece of glass. [TS]

  That I'm pushing here and. If you think about the sizing the trackpad these for such trackpads are. [TS]

  I think they're all smaller than the i Phone six Plus. And they're definitely smaller than. [TS]

  I Pad So if you think about force text coming to Phones and i Pads. The the ratio of the thickness of the glass. [TS]

  That covers Phones and i Pads to the relatively large surface area is very different it's much thinner. Glass. [TS]

  Then than the for such trackpads or the Apple Watch green. And so I wonder then like. [TS]

  Can you just put strangers on the corners of those things and have the natch. Like if you. [TS]

  If you force touch in the middle of the display in a strange in all four corners. We are pretty far from them. [TS]

  Will it be able to reliably like consider the the flexing of the glass or will that be a problem. [TS]

  Not only will of course. My to be a problem for breaking the class. But that's another problem. [TS]

  So I wonder if they really can do this for the say and i Pad Air or. If they do make a twelve inch i Pad at the. [TS]

  The problem is even worse as the saying like rather than just the four corners may be all around the edges [TS]

  and the sort of take the average of them all and account for the flex [TS]

  or maybe you have to senses underneath the screen to do have way more room to work with than the watch so your OP I [TS]

  magine you have more options. Especially on the i Pad but I think also on the phone. And on the phone. [TS]

  Since the screen is smaller would flex less than the. [TS]

  The glass on the phone is also a little bit curved over never saw. [TS]

  I think this is technologically possible [TS]

  but again I don't know they're there for such as a marketing term so it could be that they have several different [TS]

  approaches to achieving this feature on the different devices and that's that's what I'm hoping for best case and. [TS]

  I really do think the next. If not the six S. [TS]

  or Whatever the heck of a revision of the six that we all expect is going to be. [TS]

  Certainly on the seven or whatever the one there where they really redesign it. [TS]

  Across people so that about apps the for years and it took forever to come to but I really do expect for such to come. [TS]

  Even if it is the stupid Right click that nobody uses just because I think they have the room to use it. [TS]

  And it's on the watch and like you said you know like. [TS]

  If it's a fad or a Why the hell not [TS]

  or whatever they seem pretty convinced that it is an important thing that I mean the hell they brought to the macro. [TS]

  And a lot so it's going to come thought. It didn't take any more money. [TS]

  So ever and of question are we seeing code samples in swift Objective C. or Both regular sessions. Both always both. [TS]

  I was. Yeah. I would say. Knowing and knowing Apple. Knowing how they work. I would say it depends on the session. [TS]

  You see him and C. Plus plus. I would say you're probably see one language per session. [TS]

  But that will vary depending on like what framework. The the team is working on like. [TS]

  What department they're going to feel like I expect to see slides or they say. And the A.P.I. Looks like this. [TS]

  And again if you have to do to object or say looks like this which is a little ugly or the reverse [TS]

  and the a palette like this and then switch to can look a little bit nicer like for the people who are on one side [TS]

  or the other of like they're excited about how their A.B.I. Can be cleaner and swift. [TS]

  They'll be excited to show you two to compare and contrast [TS]

  and which which one is the primary which went to the show you the examples of [TS]

  and say oh by the way this is how it looks in the other. I think that will vary from presentation to presentation and. [TS]

  In my experience. Apple does not speak with one voice. At doubled every D.C. when It comes to. [TS]

  When it comes to low level technical things that individual developers [TS]

  and teams have opinions about those opinions are expressed through. You know subtle. [TS]

  Wording on slides or asides or expressions or snark or whatever. [TS]

  So I fully expect that each individual presentation and framework and team will take a slightly different approach to. [TS]

  To how they mix. Their swift and Objective C. [TS]

  I think some will be uniform some will be a mix [TS]

  and some of the next will be like will have a slant to the mix like you'll be able to tell is someone really excited [TS]

  about how this looks and swifter than Lloyd. That that you can also do it in switching had to show you the slide to. [TS]

  Yeah I mean like. [TS]

  I think that is Swift is only one year old in the public eye and a lot of Apple hadn't seen it before we saw it. [TS]

  And so like. People were speculating like oh well the watch native app S.T.K. Be swift only. [TS]

  And technically there's no reason for that they might do a policy things that I doubt it but they might. [TS]

  But there is technically no reason for that because the watch is older than Swift. [TS]

  Like they start development on the watch. Before so it was a thing. [TS]

  And so you know the the watch is code that runs on the watch that Apple wrote is almost certainly using very little [TS]

  or no Swift. We also heard from a number of people that Apple's internal build system didn't even support swift as of. [TS]

  Not that long ago and maybe it does now. [TS]

  But that's that's a slow process that they don't get that in there [TS]

  and by the way the watch isn't technically older than Swift It is older than Swifts revelation to the wider Apple. [TS]

  That's what it's all to that right. Well that's true yes. Fair enough. [TS]

  OK So you know Swift is going to come on slowly it's not going to be like OK. [TS]

  For the switch and everything is now Swift. It's going to keep happening slowly I am. I am though. [TS]

  Very interested to see what. What Swift has become like you know what are nonsense do we see about swift next week. [TS]

  You know how has it changed. They've done a number of revisions. Over the over the last year. [TS]

  So I'm wondering like you know do have we already seen most of the changes. [TS]

  Or is there going to be larger larger changes that happen. [TS]

  That are now it's next next week is that on Twitter like the officials with the count was like oh exciting things in [TS]

  store. I expect to see bar graph showing compilation times. [TS]

  Being better I expect to see some silly performance bake off showing how much faster sort. [TS]

  As become and maybe how much faster it is an object received and it had to last year they're going to have them again. [TS]

  And if there are any cool new features especially involving. [TS]

  You know all of the crazy stuff they've added to swift to bridge the object of Sea World to all the sort of attributes [TS]

  and stuff they've added to work nicely with arc in the Objective C. A.P.I. [TS]

  So here you can add to annotate all our objective see things in all our swift bridges so they all do the right things [TS]

  you don't have to do all sorts of weird stuff with optionals. [TS]

  They'll probably talk about how to do that how how to make your Objective C. A.P.I. [TS]

  So that they are nicely called on swift and vice versa. [TS]

  So I imagine of a loss actions about that but certainly Swift has advanced so much and it's one year of life. [TS]

  Certainly they held back some cool new features. [TS]

  To show off so I will be a lot of that of like look how much better Swift is now than it was before the come much [TS]

  cooler playgrounds are here look at this demo of the thing you couldn't do in playgrounds for even though we all think [TS]

  we've seen it all like haven't we seen a lot of stuff they've been releasing a version of us with all year like what is [TS]

  there left to show us I imagine there is enough left to show to make for some fun demos [TS]

  and there's also going to be enhancements the tools you know use you know some playgrounds. [TS]

  There's almost certainly going to be X. Code wife ID bugging. Just for the watch the you can do native watch apps. [TS]

  Stuff like that like there's going to be enhancements that thought to be exciting like oftentimes what you hear in the [TS]

  in the platform STATE OF THE UNION which is the big session. [TS]

  In the afternoon of the keynote day that's not live streamed usually. [TS]

  Oftentimes the things you hear there matter more to developers [TS]

  and what you hear in the keynote because that's where the user talk about things like major Xcode improvements [TS]

  and stuff like that that just are really helpful in day to day work. [TS]

  Some look I was looking forward to all the stuff like even if there even if there aren't a lot of major headlining [TS]

  features that are important to me. Every year Apple does. Really Useful things in the tools and the A.P.I. [TS]

  As that I benefit from so I'm just looking for that. So no new car. [TS]

  Is that an appropriate to mean everything announcing it I guess if you can't develop for it. Maybe could drive it. [TS]

  I'm going to say no car was world wide drivers' championship. Well. They had to have a had a Ferrari. W.C. Last year. [TS]

  They did a yeah it was it was on the third floor. Somehow for. I don't know how to get there. [TS]

  I was so annoyed when I disappeared and like Surely that will be here all week [TS]

  and I can go over in LOT lovingly stroke it in between sessions. Period so quickly. [TS]

  I barely I feel like one picture of it on my blog touch and then we came out of recession it was gone. [TS]

  Well can you imagine like you know a developer like Ridge you know the big bowl of Skittles in the afternoon than going [TS]

  over to talk to the Ferrari like that's. Yeah that they don't want that come on. They can wash the car. [TS]

  It's worth it for my thanks bud for the response of this week. [TS]

  Harry's studio neat and Warby Parker and we will see you next week and. [TS]

  Oh I forgot in the fault section I forgot my other item a fall. [TS]

  Which was the Velveeta shells and she has to like melted P.V.C. Plastic crap Mike and she is forever. [TS]

  I don't even know what. What to say here because crafter back in she's has no taste. It doesn't taste like anything.. [TS]

  Oh. In fairness a taste like salt keep in mind that I'm a super taster K.Z. So I don't have a problem. [TS]

  Well just must suck to be you. [TS]

  It actually must suck to be a know it's great taste like a thousand Paris likes will tell you what we pair is in the [TS]

  fruit. That's a reference. Don't worry about sort of know what kind of parrot has different pairs taste different. [TS]

  PRINCE. I hope with the Reverend I'm going to Google. [TS]

  You to have me doubting I shouldn't they shouldn't be able to make me doubt about my reference. [TS]

  Busk pairs of the best pairs. I just I can't. I don't. [TS]

  I genuinely obviously taste is completely subjective I'm not as much as I joke I'm not saying that you're wrong. [TS]

  Especially if you are super Tuesday or. [TS]

  But I just really don't understand having had craft back in cheese and Velveeta. [TS]

  Like I can understand if you said well maybe the consistency of eat is not my thing or perhaps. [TS]

  I don't maybe you just don't like the taste but with Kraft. It's like there's nothing to taste it's just they are. [TS]

  It's the water of mac N cheese. It's just. They are Elpida like. [TS]

  I was not joking with the taste like melted plastic it has a weird plastic aftertaste which maybe you're not picking up [TS]

  but it is definitely there right and it looks like it's Mel's liking to me it tastes like plastic. [TS]

  Right and that's not a pleasant thing. [TS]

  The grass I can see is not high in our understanding of if you can pick your junk food. [TS]

  I would not pick junk food that has a weird aftertaste is like the Lester potato chips like Just give me regular [TS]

  pretentious Oh yeah it has a right to the regular voted ships. And this analogy is the craft one. Yeah. [TS]

  I would agree with that but I don't crap think she's so planned. [TS]

  You got all those recipes for putting chilies in that our readers listeners [TS]

  and yeah I'd like it's like you understand I'm less bothered by people not liking Velveeta. [TS]

  Then I am about people swearing that back at that Kraft mac [TS]

  and cheese is so much tastier because it just doesn't taste like freakin anything. [TS]

  It's not so much a serious Velveeta is so vile. [TS]

  That's what it is it's like it's not we're not moving craft up the Continuum to say this is like great food we're just [TS]

  saying that we're pushing the be the down the continuum [TS]

  and by the way I had to go for it I was close to two hundred pairs in a million pairs not of thousands of I was right [TS]

  in the middle or. I have no idea what you're talking about a Stillman had a bus pairs of the best pairs Also I don't. [TS]

  I don't understand hard pair people. Yeah. I don't are they're hard pair people like. Yes I'll eat a hard pair. [TS]

  Right I don't I'm not against it. [TS]

  But you think people who like don't like software like goes to software like a lot that I can handle it. [TS]

  Yeah people who just basically tree Pears like apples and just buy them and they're solid as a rock. [TS]

  I mean I can do that I'm not I'm not against that but I agree that they. [TS]

  They get it's like banana ripeness even using the variability in the rightness of bananas people are willing to eat [TS]

  some people eat them super green where you feel like they're going to have a stomach ache some people weigh them to go [TS]

  entirely Brown on the outside and some people are between I think Paris. [TS]

  Maybe the continuum is more breviary But you know I will eat a pear [TS]

  when it's way too hard because better than not having a pear and I will reject a pair when it's gone way too soft. [TS]

  But I'm probably more towards your opinion of where the sweet spot as we're just definitely on the soft and. [TS]

  I will I would rather not have a pair. Hard pair. Well there's hard and there is like. [TS]

  I am having trouble by doing this you know like apples apples you can always buy Apple hardness I will eat the pair. [TS]

  I will wait for a boss compare I will wait until it is almost a soft as a ripe avocado before eating it [TS]

  and it is delicious that way. That's maybe a little too far for me. I just don't like Piers. [TS]

  I have nothing to add to this conversation you don't like pears know what kind of person doesn't like pears what is [TS]

  objectionable but do not like apples No I love apples. Like Paris What does objectional out them. [TS]

  Their sweet and like I don't understand that all. [TS]

  I just I don't care I don't care for Piers I don't know what you want me to say I just don't think they're very tasty [TS]

  don't like plums. [TS]

  Plums or weird plums look like a gel fruit I can understand you being turned on her just like an apple [TS]

  but taste different. But taste better I think. [TS]

  And her and their bigger and they last longer everything about Paris is better. [TS]

  Some of them are fuzzy on the outside that can be a turnoff. Lot. [TS]

  I never seen that kind peers you know they have a little like three texture on the outside. [TS]

  I don't think it's ever seen a fairy pair. They're out there. Crazy right accidental food pod cast you know. [TS]

  Well you started to know you did what you do you know his follow up that was fall from last week in your big [TS]

  conversation talking about mac and cheese and and fast food chains and stuff I'm following up that. [TS]

  Doing follow up for the world. I thought I forgot I forgot it in the first part. [TS]

  I think I think Declan's teething and so I slept for like three or four hours yesterday and I want to die. [TS]

  That's my sob story the day. I was potty training. I guess we're supposed to start that way. [TS]

  Business of oil we are the way you're talking about air the world. [TS]

  Was supposed to start liking Adam take some initiative in this area. Yeah. [TS]

  You know the government I don't know what you know that come in the night and potty train your child if only [TS]

  and so it worked. Potty training at the service. Is there like P. [TS]

  Camp you like some them to it like you can't because I learned your house is P. Camp it right. [TS]

  Your whole house is one giant toilet. [TS]