The Accidental Tech Podcast

121: Admitted No Wrongdoing


  I do I feel the tears of the hotel room [TS]

  and have thought of that make sure they refill those boxes were live where we are in person in my hotel room with a [TS]

  whole bunch of equipment and wires everywhere. Recording this. [TS]

  On the proper three track recorder with three microphones and one is clip to a table. [TS]

  Minus clipped to a suitcase stand and John just slipped to a pole and. And we are making this work. Yeah. [TS]

  So big data huge week. [TS]

  It's odd looking at you guys we do this every year but it's odd looking at you guys [TS]

  or doing this you have a little note thing normally we recorded that just for today. [TS]

  Now this is just some holding a field notes and. I have with the comedy behind this is. [TS]

  I wrote some notes my field notes. [TS]

  But I can't read them because my handwriting is crap in general but my handwriting is an intelligible. [TS]

  When I'm writing in a dark room. [TS]

  Like without having a surface to write upon [TS]

  or to tap them out in your little Iowa's device I don't know isolating him to feel notes notebook was shaped like your [TS]

  butt. [TS]

  So I know I thought to paint you a word picture so the field notes is concave convex I was going back [TS]

  and anyway it's bad I went away all that yeah you're right that's true. [TS]

  So it's bends because it always resides in my back left pocket it is crinkly is all. [TS]

  Anything And so yeah so I didn't take copious notes I don't know how do you how do you want to do you want to start [TS]

  this. I mean the morning was are you actually a really Are you now learning cause I have notes. [TS]

  Are we learning that I took the best notes of the three of us you know I wasn't taking notes on Monday cation. [TS]

  I've got your vacation to California yeah you don't go yet I don't I didn't take notes [TS]

  but we if I just saw like the agenda. [TS]

  I give you just on the agenda that you know what is go through it chronologically [TS]

  and assume that we will actually finish with the agenda. [TS]

  Marco can keep an eye on the time [TS]

  and how far we're through the agenda if we spend forty five minutes on the first item will know that we have to move [TS]

  along. Although Are we just going through the keynote or we also going through the State of Union. [TS]

  I don't know why [TS]

  but no one else will barely make it through have to Keno in the Keno was about seven hours long so there's that. [TS]

  Yeah no I said like. [TS]

  We've done these recordings before [TS]

  and for people who haven't left them I think the thing to remember is that we spent the day. Standing in lines. [TS]

  Attending the thinking oh by the way I am actually had to be a recent case you're wondering. Tell you think you know. [TS]

  And then the STATE OF THE UNION. [TS]

  We haven't had time to look up everything on all the websites [TS]

  or digest it all oh whatever so the main thing we're bringing to this. As people who are actually here. [TS]

  Bringing to the people who aren't here is that we are in the room. [TS]

  And we could see the reactions and we are sort of giving first impressions. [TS]

  So and evidently we will get things wrong like just before we start recording I was asking. [TS]

  I wish I could see a particular slide because I have some memory of something being on that flight [TS]

  but I'm not entirely sure so we make mistakes please forgive us what we're trying to give you the on the scene. [TS]

  Sort of flavor of W W C. Not so much. [TS]

  A comprehensive no factual error as complete coverage of everything that was announced today. [TS]

  Because clearly that's what we do is a podcast that has no factual errors ever [TS]

  and so this isn't exactly like it's a weird thing is that you are here. [TS]

  You actually probably know less about the announcements than if you're not here because you're too busy being there for [TS]

  the things you know like Jason still talked about that and upgrade last week about how like. [TS]

  You know [TS]

  when you are covering the event you don't have time the way everyone else does it home to go through all the websites [TS]

  and documentation right after the release [TS]

  and everything so we actually have had a right we've had less time to go over this is a lot of people have so we're [TS]

  making a podcast about it. [TS]

  But we have the things that they don't have is that we get to and this is a thing people know to [TS]

  when they released a video service. They edit them. They cut out parts that cut out audience noise that cut out. Flubs. [TS]

  Sometimes they're even edited for content like when the guy typed the wrong thing into the. [TS]

  Whatever that was like What was the. Well that was serious you talk about turn the music or no. [TS]

  I can help thing that he was trying to say. It's a road trip. [TS]

  Oh you're talk about Lance is going to Utah a road trip or something. [TS]

  Well it already filled up the wrong song like that one with a serious thing. Yeah. But anyway. Being here live. [TS]

  That's what you get and sometimes a significant a sometimes it's not but that's what we've got to offer you. Right. [TS]

  Lucky you are a. [TS]

  Well let's start how about we do just a general overall feeling about the entire Keno Let's leave aside the state of [TS]

  the Union for now. So it's the keynote in general. How did everyone feel all start off. [TS]

  The first half to two thirds I thought was excellent. There's a lot of enthusiasm. [TS]

  Some of the things that I think the room found more enthusiastic. I was a little. [TS]

  I was slightly surprised by the room got really amped up about an announcement with regard to Swift will talk about [TS]

  later. But in general I thought was very good. [TS]

  It wasn't quite the fast pace holy crap that was last year in my personal opinion. [TS]

  Last year I felt like my hair was getting blown back everything there was so much so fast. [TS]

  This year wasn't that the last third however basically once. Once Apple music started. [TS]

  Things took a turn and well we'll talk about that. [TS]

  Well but I don't know Marco What did you think about the whole thing. [TS]

  I thought it was great I mean you know if we just. If we consider the first. You know. [TS]

  Three quarters or whatever I like the first part before Apple music. If if if Tim Cook would have ended. [TS]

  And instead of saying one more thing said thanks will this will be a great week you know will see what we what you guys [TS]

  can do with this thanks a lot. And it was the end of it. [TS]

  I think it would have been a very different overall reaction [TS]

  and until that point really the I think the momentum was very good so now you know they they. Stuff they ran through. [TS]

  You know I O S nine zero S ten L is El Capitan as I say that I tell you that we're going to learn that. I guess. [TS]

  Al Capp is that an acceptable level I'm sure Stephen Hackett's can be furious about this [TS]

  but I will probably call it Al Capp. I've heard California people call it Al Capp So I think that's OK. [TS]

  But I don't you never know California people. [TS]

  I think they can say it but we can't I don't know right like isn't Cali unacceptable. If you're not. [TS]

  And I never for SCO yet we're here to go. We're here in Frisco Cali. [TS]

  Got so many people are so angry right now the first go Don't touch anything. So. [TS]

  So I think you know starting if you start at the beginning well you know that going through it first of all I would say. [TS]

  I took notice too that the reactions that people had to both Tim Cook and the two especially Craig Federighi. [TS]

  These were like roaring cheers like more than I feared soon after you've jobs at these events like people are really [TS]

  pleased with these exact. It was just very positive very positive overall for them. [TS]

  I think you know some moving into what they announced I mean. [TS]

  So first of all I thought the opening film was kind of funny. [TS]

  I heard a lot of a lot of people on Twitter were like oh this is lame. I thought it was cute. [TS]

  I didn't think it was bad [TS]

  and I think it played well in the room like of all their opening videos they do they're supposed to be funny their head [TS]

  or miss you know doesn't really matter but I thought this one was mostly hit. And I. I didn't hear a lot of groaning. [TS]

  From the room. And that's happened. Yeah. [TS]

  I mean the thing a birth thing you can say about the opening video is it didn't seem particularly relevant. [TS]

  Which you can kind of imagine has to be that way because if you're going to get much of celebrities [TS]

  and someone to produce this video for you and everything. You can't. [TS]

  Like what if they had filmed a whole bunch of stuff about the new Apple T.V. Like you know or tease about an Apple T.V. [TS]

  and They had to can it you know. [TS]

  So that the opening joke can't be about anything that announced [TS]

  but then you're like why is that even here as it is wasting time trying to entertain me. [TS]

  The only thing I'm really doing the opening video on is making a joke about Objective C. and Not mentioning Swift. [TS]

  Not that it was going to lose a Bill Hader Bill heater. Yeah happened is that I've got. [TS]

  Yeah and he sees awesome and so I thought as a cheesy and campy opening video. [TS]

  It was about as delightful a cheesy in camp [TS]

  and campy opening video as one could really hope for so I I give that two thumbs up. I thought it was fine. Yeah. [TS]

  And so you know I I think you know you can. You can look at the room and you can say you know you're right. [TS]

  You know the playing to that room. It worked. It was light hearted it was you know. [TS]

  They know they're not going to get like you know Comedy Awards or the things they produce or anything [TS]

  but it was light hearted and it was. It was nice it was pleasant it was parts of it were very funny I thought. [TS]

  And it was fun. You know it's open and like. [TS]

  They usually open up a jokey video that like there was like that Siri video. Yeah. [TS]

  I think that's not new like to open up with a jokey video so that's fine. [TS]

  And this reference third party apps you had the little chrome Monument Valley in there you got angry birds of course. [TS]

  It was a lot and yeah the lot. So that's that. [TS]

  If you're playing to a room full of developers referencing a bunch of third party apps is a good bet. Exactly so. So. [TS]

  First your laptop in front of his you can stand Mike. And I right. So they went over zero S ten first. [TS]

  And so now I wish we had somebody in the room who was an O. S. Ten X. or. [TS]

  I guess we did oh a standstill gets top billing. [TS]

  Isn't really true because the last bots the good one but anyway other just just let me have this one ten top billing. [TS]

  Thank you note had was so long because they had so much stuff in it [TS]

  but was so long that now I'm thinking about what did they announce for us that well. It got its own name. [TS]

  And it's not snow Yosemite. Our snow Samedi like like that. [TS]

  I mean you think all who cares what its name but that is the single that Paul has used in the past. To indicate an O. [TS]

  S. Release. That is merely the previous or last release. Kind of cleaned up a little bit. [TS]

  Snow Leopard and mountain lion. [TS]

  And those are all modifiers of labrat and Lion and that sends a clear signal about the intention of the O.-S. [TS]

  This one does Al Kabataan were just kind of a modified version yes I mean because the thing that's in Yosemite. [TS]

  But it's still trying to stand on its own. The thing that struck me about it is still I'm still looking at her B.S. [TS]

  Perspective I'm like man a screenshot signal who's acting the same this year has it last year because last year was the [TS]

  big overhaul of everything looks in this year. I don't. Was there anything that looks different than fonts different. [TS]

  Yeah other than the font [TS]

  but I want a big I mean it's only big to people who care about fun so I can tell you that vanishingly small number of [TS]

  people. Even can even notice in like a test is held better or you know. Charcoal or S.B. [TS]

  Sans are Chicago maybe they could sell Chicago but it is it is a new font but other than that. [TS]

  I don't think there's a even any like a new sort of controls or a fax or widgets or anything like that. [TS]

  So this is going to look very similar in their views [TS]

  and everything they concentrated on more a few underpinning text on a bunch of new features for apps it did not look [TS]

  like a big O.-S. [TS]

  Release [TS]

  and the other thing that struck me since this was there for us announcements like OK here going to show is this new [TS]

  alas. [TS]

  It's going to have a whole bunch of stuff in it that is kind of like well it's like Yosemite [TS]

  but a couple things are better. [TS]

  Prove that whatever they did not emphasize the idea that we're taking this year to sort of make things perform better [TS]

  and make more stable they did not hammer that at all. They merely just didn't say anything they just said. [TS]

  This is you know I stand out Happy ten. And here's what it has in it. [TS]

  And these things that has it's great [TS]

  and moving on they did not emphasize were like they did they go ahead of us no leper. To say like. [TS]

  There are new features. [TS]

  We're really going to try to buckle down this time [TS]

  and concentrate on the coral as I mean I think they are doing that but they didn't say that in the messaging [TS]

  and that I think would be a theme throughout because a lot of the amounts been from this keynote were like that [TS]

  but it was unspoken like the past I said hey they can get lots of applause lines by saying that they didn't go for them. [TS]

  They didn't go for like that type of line they just sort of went with the positives [TS]

  and didn't put it in the context of. [TS]

  We know that I was a mere Samedi we're we're big releases and they're a bunch of bugs that you wish you would fix. [TS]

  I disagree. I think they did I mean. [TS]

  So the way the way if it ever introduced it he said they were like you know like these handful of headline features [TS]

  there was. Spotlighting hands mince some things the built in apps. [TS]

  Window management and performance [TS]

  and metal is part of performance is not a big a semicolon here I put it in legal terms. They admitted no wrongdoing. [TS]

  Yet you know if they did a settlement and they said but of course Apple events are ongoing right farewell. [TS]

  But you know first of all I think that's very heavily implied by like the. [TS]

  By the clear slowdown and like headlining marketable features of the of these two asses. [TS]

  But also you know I think even with Snow Leopard they didn't say man leopard was a piece of crap. [TS]

  Were fix what they said we're working on like you know making things better under the hood they said like that [TS]

  or they had this of the regrouping like they had to say why are we making a thing with no new features. [TS]

  Because it's like. [TS]

  It's like a regrouping a rebuilding year like that that is what we're doing with this endeavor like they didn't feel [TS]

  they didn't feel the need to excuse anything about our capital [TS]

  and they didn't feel the need to explain why it didn't have as many feet new features to demo it just MIT [TS]

  or why the future for less dramatic no point did they put it in the context of past releases are characterizing this [TS]

  release a small or less significant. In any way. [TS]

  And I think that's fine it's a perfectly valid way to go I just thought they would have gone for it to get to get sort [TS]

  of the credit for what it is they're doing and instead. [TS]

  It seems like it's not like a power of like I don't think they want to embarrass themselves now that you're going to [TS]

  your previous O.S.B. The crap but. [TS]

  But to but to put this new release in context and say this release is a smaller released in our previous one [TS]

  and that is a conscious choice. And it's good for consumers because of X. Y. and Z. That inside out. [TS]

  You know it's true what do you think of the name because I don't. [TS]

  I don't take it I don't think I really like the California themed names at all because they thought they don't mean [TS]

  anything to me like I can get behind Tiger and Leopard and. And even snow leopard and granted. [TS]

  There aren't snow leopards running around Virginia but I mean everyone can associate can understand and appreciate. [TS]

  Animals whereas these to me. [TS]

  Kind of esoteric places in California they just carry no weight to me like John a stomach is [TS]

  but you know I hear you I like the that naming thing that I think there are so many options and. [TS]

  I like this man admittedly because it was the name of the tower case. [TS]

  I believe it was the name of the entire tower case designed to power my Q three and G. Four game and. [TS]

  This is the name of that thing. But it. They sound cool. With the exception of mavericks two out of three. [TS]

  So far have been names that people know throughout the whole country. [TS]

  People know what you somebody as I think people know what this is even if they did know about the case code names. [TS]

  And that's kind of what a name has to be it's just a filler marketing name it's better than like. [TS]

  It's better than a number. Better than the name of a wine. [TS]

  It's less highfalutin than whatever I don't even know the wine name for this one as someone could look it up in the [TS]

  room or sides. So I don't mind it at the All itself. The things they change are all like. [TS]

  Yeah that was kind of silly that I was limited that way. [TS]

  And all that doesn't he call feature but I don't care but I don't use that app. [TS]

  So you know the things that didn't talk about like if you have discovered the problems and solve them. [TS]

  That will be worth the hassle operating alone [TS]

  but they didn't talk about that at all because that would they would have to put that in context [TS]

  and sort of admit wrongdoing there. Right right. [TS]

  You know what else do they talk about frost had kind of blanked in terms of my notes on what happened there was the [TS]

  there was the window manager and stuff the new like to mission control and stuff like that I mean [TS]

  and that's all I felt. [TS]

  I think fairly lightweight [TS]

  but it's nice that window management I think is interesting to me from the perspective from my perspective. [TS]

  How I manage windows. And you know Windows Windows itself Microsoft Windows has a done this thing. [TS]

  But the drag winner to the side how it felt to have screen or whatever in this [TS]

  and you cross Linux Windows matters a majority this for ages as well. Arco yoga. You're dying over there. All right. [TS]

  You can't just get away with it now because it's on the same room. [TS]

  But the whole idea of like a tiling window manager is the opposite of how I manage windows. [TS]

  I manage windows with overlapping windows the way a mac window management has been done since the dawn of the mac. [TS]

  Windows overlap. [TS]

  And even when I even use the same vocabulary I'm like oh tie I tie all my windows [TS]

  but what tile means is what they were showing where the windows don't overlap [TS]

  and you divide the screen into Forth sir thirds or whatever vertically or horizontally in the windows don't overlap [TS]

  and when I say tiles probably the wrong word. I mean like that they overlap. And are you know. [TS]

  Staggered one after the other. [TS]

  So I think for people who want to people who are stuck in fullscreen mode this may help get shake them out of it [TS]

  and say hey you've got this big giant screen don't make your text editor window fill your entire twenty four inch [TS]

  screen because you're not going to write lines that are seven hundred characters long. Maybe I don't know. [TS]

  Split your screen vertically and have two things you know I just. [TS]

  It'll help people along who are addicted to full screen apps the one giant monitors [TS]

  and maybe on small monitors that will give them a chance is a nice symmetry with i OS nine features that will talk [TS]

  about later. [TS]

  But from my perspective this is window management that is not even up to the complexity of third party mac apps that [TS]

  have been around for ages like Devean Moon Moon is it called the bunch of other ones that are like that I just don't [TS]

  have interest in these things so these features of happy ten don't interest me [TS]

  but I think it's good that they're there to sort of like training wheels for people who aren't very good at window [TS]

  management. [TS]

  To say here are some more options and they're built into the Oh I see you know have to install scary third party app [TS]

  and maybe. Maybe they will help you feel comfortable with Windows in a way that you don't currently feel called to. [TS]

  That's fair. The IT WAS A During the O S ten portion that they announced that coronation is moving the medal.. [TS]

  Instead of Open G.L. [TS]

  Well they announced that medal was coming to us ten and this is a lot of announcements here like yeah. [TS]

  We all figure that from last year. [TS]

  Like is that it is an ounce medal and it's I was only [TS]

  and it's like why is that I was only the only reason you could think of as because they had limited resources in time [TS]

  and I was more important and it will come to the neck eventually. And it did. And I put this often thought of it. [TS]

  And it's good you know. Thumbs up. Like and scared Craig Venter you threw up the horns. Course. [TS]

  Briefly I'm pretty sure my are going to see with the horns are these are the horns much better reference. [TS]

  Mess with the ball you get the horns OK. Well. [TS]

  You know you can either one of you get that do you know I know that's a reference with his I don't know from where you [TS]

  should chat room is silently shame you can't be savvy. [TS]

  This is different now because I can see that it's getting to the absolute disgust on John's face Typically I'm behind a [TS]

  monitored so. And we don't do video when we record so I don't get to see how unbelievably upset in frustrated Giants. [TS]

  But this time I did. I think you throw up the horns again and I think if you look at I thought he had as well. [TS]

  That's all right. [TS]

  What else happened in the West [TS]

  and that you know they didn't do it just occurred me they didn't do a control center right [TS]

  or did I totally missed that control center. [TS]

  They were talk about doing the you know the same thing where you swipe up from the bottom [TS]

  and I ask what they are going to swipe from the left are noted a notification Senate I think the other side writes [TS]

  Right there was a pretty solid rumor I thought up and I think it made me think marker was wrong about that. [TS]

  Well or maybe we just don't know it yet I still be there the type of stuff [TS]

  and maybe it gets kind of like it was shown that all I think so too. Yeah. [TS]

  I'm going to glass not their Honestly I like when I [TS]

  when I heard these rumors I was not looking forward to that I'm going to save something for next year. [TS]

  All right so before I move on to Iowa. Let's talk about our first Bonser. It is our friends at cards against humanity. [TS]

  Now. Cardigans humanity rather than actually giving us a sponsorship to read. They have asked John. [TS]

  To review a toaster. So John what is the toaster of the week. [TS]

  So this week's boaster is the Hamilton Beach toast station model two to seven to two. [TS]

  That's you pull this up because this is. [TS]

  This marks a turning point I think in our toes to really do this abomination agood octo parrot. [TS]

  It's not all like it is kind of an octo parrot shouldn't be. Casey does not get that reference know. [TS]

  This thing I will describe it for you in looks like a toaster oven and seeing it and in person. [TS]

  It's like my a bridal toaster oven. Was cut in half so it was half the depth. Sticks out. [TS]

  From the wall of my kitchen half as far right so that's the first shop. [TS]

  And the second shop is vertically where the door that opens up is half the height of the toaster [TS]

  and what are they doing with the rest of the vertical head of those are there the slot in the top where you put pieces [TS]

  of bread product in and push down on the side. [TS]

  This is a slot toaster and a toaster oven and one we'll put a link in the show that you can look at it. [TS]

  It's kind of like one of the magicians boxes were expected like mirrors and there it's like [TS]

  when you push down the toast Where does the telescope Well there are no mirrors it's not magic. [TS]

  When you put toast in the top of the thing in the slot and push them down. They sit vertically. [TS]

  In the middle of the toaster oven so you can't use the slot those departing on the regular oven portion at the same [TS]

  time. Well that's not that unreasonable. Right. [TS]

  Also here's the thing like a referred to toast [TS]

  or many many compromises right off are thought about the inner as it has an on off switch which is nice. [TS]

  So you can turn the darkness knob to whatever you want and use the on off switch. [TS]

  But also of course as the toaster plunger part where you don't use the on off switch then you [TS]

  and you just push down the little plunger. If you're going to flop toaster thing. [TS]

  Suppose it benefits us a lot of us or is that it toast faster. [TS]

  And this is a little bit faster it's like three minutes for two slices which is a little bit faster than the gravel. [TS]

  But it's not that much faster because it's got it's got to sort of course heating elements in the bottom. [TS]

  And then it's got one. Heating element. [TS]

  On the side of the slot and one heating elbow on the other side of the slot that does speed things up a little bit. [TS]

  But what do you trade that for. Well. You put things in a slot toaster on the top. And they come out. [TS]

  Not very evenly browned at all which kind of makes sense because just one heating element either side it's not like a [TS]

  real flat toaster they have all the Resist of wires going all over and gives one. [TS]

  Even heat over the whole piece of bread. [TS]

  These things come out super spotty like big dark spots big spots that are underdone. [TS]

  And the first time I tried to use it I put English muffins on the top [TS]

  and the slot is very wide I'm assuming to be able to support bagels but it doesn't grip things. [TS]

  Very closely so I putting this muffins but you're not very wide in their press that. [TS]

  Often said the sort of like bent over because there is too much room in the slot and it curled back on itself [TS]

  when I popped it up and had like crunched over and didn't pop back up [TS]

  and I had to fish it out with a knife this is the very first time I'm using this thing. [TS]

  So the slot toaster is crap like. [TS]

  It does not toast as well as a real flophouse it does it's a little bit faster than Telstra but [TS]

  when you get out of it is worthless I would never toast anything in that it's worth then all of my toaster oven is not [TS]

  even Lee Brown. [TS]

  It is not very fast and then the toaster oven portion is super small you only put two but slices of bread in there. [TS]

  Your height is compromised that little door that you open a super chintzy feeling. [TS]

  And one of the things that it makes this terrible long beeping signals that you wish would stop like a deep good time [TS]

  to be appalled at how just keep feeding and keep to be adding. This is the new champion for the worst toaster that. [TS]

  If ever tested. It is not a good toaster oven it is not a good slot those there. [TS]

  And people kept sending this to me were talking about how you should check this that this lot both rental car is bad at [TS]

  both of those jobs. Do not buy this product I do not understand how it has a three and a half star rating on Amazon. [TS]

  That's amazing. So what you're saying is that this is not as good as your other post. [TS]

  It's not it's just not good it like the picture they have a second picture on Amazon of you swipe it shows like this [TS]

  beautifully brown bread coming out that's not happened. [TS]

  No bread that looks like ever comes out of the stylus [TS]

  or so you're saying that is what toasters may not be sufficient for you this is not a thought those I think White [TS]

  Houses are fine. [TS]

  I would do better this is again it's auto should have lots of the ever see them a little wires a glow orange inside a [TS]

  whole bunch of those wires Chris or them they brown and even Lee This just has to toaster oven elements. [TS]

  Sitting on either side of the slots. And it also turns on the to bottom ones. It's. It's a mess. [TS]

  This is like someone thought it would be a good idea. But it is totally not how much of the cost of being in look well. [TS]

  Thirty two dollars thirty dollars so you kind of get what you pay for but please don't buy this. [TS]

  My was reading today I think it has recommended the mine came in red which is kind of cool looking as a match your [TS]

  toaster. Thumbs down. So Fun fact. Hamilton Beach is headquarters are in Richmond Virginia. [TS]

  You can go there and try googling [TS]

  and we've done another Hamilton Beach Post about a member of the models that so right. [TS]

  Well thanks a lot to cards against humanity for sponsoring our show once again. All right Joe I.O.'s nine. [TS]

  Well we are we done with I was ten. I think we're talking about far as any of us can remember from the you know. [TS]

  Probably but as I go to sessions and learn new things I'm sure new things. Right OK. [TS]

  But if you know that you know that in spend much time on the way wasn't that much now. OK. So I'm sorry Mark carry on. [TS]

  All right so big money features of I.R.S. Nine. Were a lot of the A.P.I. [TS]

  Improvements [TS]

  and then user facing stuff there's this new proactive assistant part of this is on a west tennis well in the new Syria [TS]

  where the new spotlight window. To make this is a lot of a lot of similar kinds of stuff. [TS]

  So big disappointment for me the forced search page on springboard is now back. [TS]

  You know Member way used to be worse and worse but it was a page on the left. Yeah. [TS]

  Now it's still now once again it's a page on the left. But besides that it looks pretty good. [TS]

  I'm I'm curious to see I mean they seem to be integrating a whole lot of like web service type stuff in here. [TS]

  You know web data results like it really is a continuation of them. [TS]

  Kind of encroaching on Google on Google's territory and not. You know not in some ways and not. [TS]

  Not quite to the degree cruel to these things [TS]

  but you could tell that that's kind of the direction they're trying to go in. [TS]

  I don't know I mean to me like I have found. Things like the Safari autocomplete for Web sites. [TS]

  That doesn't use Google AT ALL things like like this like the current spotlight and I was eight. [TS]

  That tries to integrate web an app store results and everything has some problems sometimes [TS]

  but for the most part this stuff works pretty well for me. [TS]

  So this looks like a pretty good continuation of that process. And I'm really excited about the app. [TS]

  Indexing kind of thing where you can. Like now apps. [TS]

  Either through their websites or through the app itself on the phone. [TS]

  They couldn't publish searchable data for for spotlight and for Syria that's pretty cool. [TS]

  Yeah that's pretty fascinating what was interesting to me about the whole Iowa Stein section was. [TS]

  We got to see how will they be not the mechanisms but but the features that Apple is putting together to try to combat. [TS]

  What is a Google now where you know Google. Since Google in many cases has all of your data. [TS]

  Knows when you're going to fly. [TS]

  Next and when you're going when you need to have another when you have another appointment. [TS]

  Server side Google can look at that and say oh well Casey is supposed to go to dinner with Aaron in twenty minutes [TS]

  but trafficked says if he doesn't leave now he's going to miss it and. [TS]

  And it was interesting seeing how Apple's trying to create some of that Google now functionality. [TS]

  But without crawling all your data server side. Now. [TS]

  What was very hand waving and don't worry your pretty little faces was well how are they really accomplishing that. [TS]

  On the device and the implication was. [TS]

  And many ways the statement was well it's all happening on the device so it's on its on [TS]

  and they made a lot of indirect and direct comments about privacy and about oh yeah. [TS]

  It's under your control everything is you know the users own all this data we don't want to know we actually they [TS]

  literally occasionally said we don't want to know. Often they said we don't know or can't know. [TS]

  And so it was very interesting to me to see. [TS]

  Apple's reaction to that kind of the present Google that people either love or hate depending on what your protect. [TS]

  Were pinion is yeah I don't know if that strategy. [TS]

  I can't tell if that strategy is like this is our corporate differentiator this is what we believe is people that we [TS]

  don't want a thing [TS]

  or that it's like that's what they have they don't have the server crisis about thinking about the on device stuff. [TS]

  Right. So Google checks or e-mail figures out the have a flight. [TS]

  And can do all that stuff because it sees your e-mail everywhere right [TS]

  or Apple's like all this all happens on device and. That sounds fine to like. Well. [TS]

  But what if I don't check that mail account online i Pad does I mean I've had doesn't know I have a flight. [TS]

  And if it's on device the answer is yeah. How could the i Pad know that you have flight. [TS]

  If you're not checking that e-mail account from right maybe doesn't matter maybe people don't have fifty e-mail [TS]

  accounts and check all their e-mail accounts and every device or whatever but basically your the Smarts are isolated [TS]

  and confined to the data that on that device but your life may encompass more data than is on any single device. [TS]

  And so how can it get a picture of my whole life. [TS]

  If all the stuff is necessarily local I feel like if Apple is going to make more intelligent features it's going to [TS]

  have to eventually move away from that [TS]

  and I don't think that's such a big deal like they don't read our i Messages that Imus's are all two way encrypted. [TS]

  But there should be a way. Like you need some global awareness. [TS]

  That is not confined to a device to really smart things so this is a good start for Apple. [TS]

  You can do lots of smart things just on the device. But if you tried to explain to a person. [TS]

  Why like well why doesn't as hard as a bit like the watch is not really an independent advice or whatever [TS]

  but why doesn't my i Pad know that I have light. You know if I use Google everything knows. [TS]

  Like when I'm on his Google [TS]

  when I'm on my computer at work it pops up a thing in my face as I don't forget about your flight. But on my. [TS]

  My apple stuff only my phone knows why is that because you're at work [TS]

  and you're not checking your your home e-mailing your work then you're just checking your exchange like trying to [TS]

  explain to them the technical intricacies they want understand when you try to is when. [TS]

  Well it's for privacy reasons I have all of them have your date and the like. Well. [TS]

  I just want my computers tell me my flight is like this is the thing that frustrates Marco so much that people don't [TS]

  care as much about privacy certainly as Marco doesn't perhaps not even as much as Apple does. [TS]

  I think their biggest best selling point is we won't sell your stuff for third parties won't give your stuff a third [TS]

  party like if you decide that you trust Apple for whatever reason you're you only have to trust us you don't trust us [TS]

  and everybody we will ever do business for which is. [TS]

  That's really not true because Apple give you information to have the hell they want to [TS]

  but their current term thinking today. [TS]

  And their current strategy is they're telling you hey you know that's that's their value proposition give your data to [TS]

  Apple. [TS]

  We won't look at it we don't give the anybody else that I think is a little bit easier to sell for people who are [TS]

  scared of privacy [TS]

  but I think history has shown that people like Alright fine whatever have all my data I just want to know my flight is [TS]

  no matter where I am. So I think Apple is going to not this year. [TS]

  But some future generation come up against this barrier said we've done everything we can dole. [TS]

  How do we get sort of information about you in your life spans all of our devices. [TS]

  While still keeping your data private and I'm not entirely sure they know it well [TS]

  and you know I think time will tell I mean you know Apple is really hitting this. [TS]

  Hitting home on this I are driving us home because I think you're right that it this is some of what they believe that [TS]

  you know that they are they truly believe this is very important [TS]

  but also this is obviously a competitive differentiator and. I don't think the market. Cares as much as Apple does. [TS]

  That might not be a bad thing I mean the market doesn't care about attention to details much as Apple does. [TS]

  Or design as much as Apple does in general either. [TS]

  That doesn't mean they shouldn't do those things and that doesn't appeal to a lot of people anyway. [TS]

  I think I think that that it influences people and sort of a subconscious level. Right. [TS]

  Whereas these privacy things I'm not sure they do I'm not sure people are even aware of like every talk about this is I [TS]

  message I talk about it on on. When I was on rocket like the privacy advantages of i Message. Are really beyond people. [TS]

  Knowing all they know is like. If I looked. I looked at this conversation on my mac. [TS]

  And that look at it on my phone and some stuff wasn't in both places. [TS]

  And they don't understand why [TS]

  and if you try to explain to me I don't care they just want to be everywhere good like Google works the way people [TS]

  Google stuff works the way people think modern computers should work. [TS]

  And when anybody ever gets used to my stuff everywhere. [TS]

  Anything that is not everywhere they think it was a bug like oh. Well my google stuff is everywhere like that better. [TS]

  It's funny to quick aside I was on the plane on the way to San Francisco [TS]

  and I hadn't had my laptop connected to the Internet and I don't know if you hours or something like that [TS]

  and on the plane where I'm on this god awful terrible connection which is to be expected because I'm in a to thirty [TS]

  thousand feet in the sky I noticed or I was trying to carry on a conversation with Aaron B. [TS]

  I message but it was completely unintelligible because what ended up happening is I would type something send it. [TS]

  And then messages from hours ago would come in below what I had just typed in so I could not follow the conversation. [TS]

  Because I was reliving the conversation from hours before [TS]

  and it was at the in the heat of the moment was extremely frustrating and. [TS]

  Thankfully I understand enough about the mechanisms behind it to have realized well you know. [TS]

  I'll just have to wait this out [TS]

  but I can see out to a regular user that would be unbelievably infuriating device there's lots of low hanging fruit [TS]

  they can do a local on device I think the During the stuff. [TS]

  What they're doing all these things are doing despite characterizing it as like the [TS]

  and they're doing Google like things they're doing it on your device but it's very Google like. [TS]

  You know [TS]

  and these are the best the best things rule things that people like so I think these sort of intelligent features. [TS]

  If they work well. Will help Apple. [TS]

  Catch up a little bit to the good impression that Google makes in people's mind [TS]

  when it does smart things of like presenting them with information just in. [TS]

  Into them with context like even just a simple stop of money about this later. Really easy to do. [TS]

  But once someone gets used to it. Any device it doesn't have that. That very simple context awareness will seem dumber. [TS]

  Yeah absolutely. The other thing that I notice that Apple seems to be doing a lot with is natural language processing. [TS]

  And I can think of an example right off the top my head that that was from the keynote [TS]

  but something like fantastic Alice famous for so you know dinner tomorrow with Aaron at five P.M. [TS]

  and You type all that out you type the words. Dinner tomorrow with Aaron at five P.M. and It will parse out. [TS]

  The relevant pieces and file them away in a counterpoint as expected well. [TS]

  This wasn't specifically about calendaring in the keynote [TS]

  but they were doing similar style of natural language searches in like spotlight for example which are really [TS]

  impressive I think they did a sample of photos if I'm not mistaken and even worse [TS]

  and finder on the Mackley I mean that. Like that that engine was. [TS]

  It was on the mac it was in Finder it was in Iowa us in spotlight and in Siri. Yeah. [TS]

  It's like that was really all over the place and it looked pretty impressive. The challenge I think for. [TS]

  I do going to challenge is like you know. Deeks like us. [TS]

  We won't know what we can do there like he was what is the Cape prefix constants K M T. [TS]

  Like that query syntax makes sense the geek I remember loving Altavista because it works in such a sort of [TS]

  deterministic way you could do plus or minus words the pages would have those words [TS]

  and it made absolute sense the Magoo came along it's like I can type words of the Google search box [TS]

  but some of these words might not even appear on the page because if I type like how to cook an omelet. [TS]

  The page might not even have the word how in it like it's a different mode so if you're programmer you know I just [TS]

  wanted to turn a stigma Sheen just tell me the query language and I don't know [TS]

  but that is not how people query things and so yes but I have had all these features for a long time. [TS]

  Nobody uses them except geeks and even geeks can't remember all the stupid K. Prefix cons and so this this. [TS]

  Upgrade to spotlight of having natural language clearing and the penthouse. All great example of like. I use Google. [TS]

  Appointments partly because they do a little bit of that natural language stuff like I do like you know. [TS]

  One pm haircut. Even something as simple as that. Trying to enter one P.M. Haircut. In Apple's things. [TS]

  The way harder than typing one pm have a haircut. [TS]

  And it shouldn't be harder and so Apple is again playing catch up here but long overdue or nothing. [TS]

  I think it's a lot of room to grow but when I say like oh you know during dinner with Aaron at seven [TS]

  but if you know two people name Aaron. [TS]

  Yeah that's right things fall down and like like oh well maybe a present a picker and shows me the two people air [TS]

  and I think the one that's like the next all the next loveless look. [TS]

  Ninety nine percent of the time I mean that Aaron and. When I say Aaron. Just take that one. [TS]

  Put the tech are up and if I don't do anything with it just a fault is that like that's. [TS]

  It's like next you know getting a sort of human assistant level where I don't. [TS]

  I don't need to clarify who it is or even if you could like. If they were on find your friends. [TS]

  Find my friends and one of the people is not within flying distance to be there [TS]

  and I think I believe that live in a difference I don't know that there is a long way to go to do you know intelligent [TS]

  system type stuff so it's good seeing Apple. Getting a start in this area. Well and a lot of the stuff is hard like. [TS]

  If you think about an actual system which I don't think any of us have ever actually had right. [TS]

  No hops right now because of limited usefulness he's mostly moral support. But. But you know he so. [TS]

  So actual assistance even have problems with the thing like human beings have problems with a lot of these things like [TS]

  if you say something that is ambiguous or. Or can be easily misunderstood to mean something else. [TS]

  You know like then that this is this is a problem that an on some levels can't be solved. [TS]

  Or has like a ceiling on how well it can but I also do they need to clarify the system or go to some A clarify [TS]

  and so a computer but the computer can be maddening that clarifies every time I call Jesus yes it's still that Aaron. [TS]

  Always going to be that unless another Aaron is in play like that up went with them I've received an e-mail from them [TS]

  really like write things that a human assistant would know whether the half. [TS]

  The humanism would not repeal a clarify which Aaron you're talking about to start. [TS]

  Because there's two in your address book like just because they're in my address book they don't have equal value. [TS]

  Right. [TS]

  That they don't have equal relevance to me and that type of information about who is again to require global witness. [TS]

  Maybe that person other areas in your address book. Because he said to me about three years ago. [TS]

  That's the relevance of that person [TS]

  and you don't want to delete it you might want to email them again like they are real estate agent or something. [TS]

  But we've got a long way to go in this area but it's good to see getting started. Yeah and that is the. [TS]

  That's the kind of area. That Google is usually much better at the National. [TS]

  And that's what I worry a little bit about like. I'm curious to see how this ends up working with Apple. If. [TS]

  If they show signs of being able to do this kind of thing. And improving in this area because historically. [TS]

  Again they I think they've lived very far behind Google historically and in that kind of like big data problem. [TS]

  We will see. Absolutely. Do we want to talk about the Apple Pay. Changes. [TS]

  When more specifically Actually I want to bring up. We saw two women on stage today. Yeah. [TS]

  Which was also and surprising [TS]

  and it was so surprising that I actually wanted to call out a text message I got from a co-worker as I was sitting in [TS]

  the keynote. I believe this she was referring to my. [TS]

  My co-worker was referring to the second woman who came on stage [TS]

  and I apologize because I don't remember their names but I got this text message from. From my friend at work Chris. [TS]

  She said. What a woman presenting something at Apple. [TS]

  Then you know that was phenomenal to her in this is someone who is like really enthusiastic about the watch. [TS]

  But generally speaking doesn't pay the kind of attention that we pay so this is like a quote unquote normal which is [TS]

  such a dismissive way of describing her and I don't mean it to be dismissive [TS]

  but someone who doesn't really follow this like we do. [TS]

  Was stunned that there were was one woman brought on stage let alone two and so I'm really pleased that that. [TS]

  That Apple's finally listening and making the strides and front of the show Christina Warren who is on the show. [TS]

  What two weeks ago. She actually interviewed him cook was it's Sunday night I believe for Mashable and. [TS]

  She had pressed him on this a little bit and he said basically watch this space and sure enough. [TS]

  We watch the space and there were two women percenters and I thought they were great. [TS]

  And I was I was teased in that interview and it's. Good day like. You can you know. [TS]

  Tim Cook is very forthcoming does that with the whole diversity report everything that they have not done well in here [TS]

  and they are making changes to improve things or that half woman was a majority women No but it was more than zero. [TS]

  Like you know that it was you want Evan Wright and. [TS]

  And the other thing to keep in mind about Debbie every say is like well the glory things like the keynote [TS]

  and like the State of the Union used to be just all men. [TS]

  Right and now getting women there is super important but if you don't go to W.D.C. [TS]

  You may not realize how many technical sessions the W.D.C. [TS]

  Are presented primarily by women like they're the main speaker for the whole thing [TS]

  or incorporate women like there are women [TS]

  and that was the whole thing is like there are women on Apple's team like Apple's diversity is not. [TS]

  It's not great but it's not terrible and like it was very commonplace to see women giving presentations on [TS]

  and any type of presentation and W.D.C. Right. [TS]

  But you never saw them in the keynote So that's what made all the more glaring it's like well. [TS]

  We've got a company full of all these people. [TS]

  But really the only people who ever get to talk is Tim Cook and a bunch of other similarly aged really apparent men. [TS]

  And so yeah that makes and like. That's all things. [TS]

  We don't know the names these people Steve Jobs as big like not telling you the names of anybody who's in the company [TS]

  several like the big headline executive. [TS]

  That's what everyone thought it would be Angela whose last name a carrot out there [TS]

  and well Aaron psycho showed that one got there because she is the woman who is on there. You know. C. [TS]

  Level executives page. But there are tons of women at Apple. And I don't think it was particularly hard to find them. [TS]

  Like you know who's the head of Apple today apparently this woman who we never knew before. [TS]

  Because you know who knows her present the apple pie apart instead of having Phil Schiller do it [TS]

  or something right now. [TS]

  It just makes perfect sense and I think they did a great I think they both looked a little bit nervous. [TS]

  As we know the men who presented with first time also felt a little nervous. Oh yeah I think the second one up. [TS]

  She had a really good joke about reading S.P.N. For the articles and she. The reaction examiner and the groom. [TS]

  And the room was good at they were they did much better than a lot of men first time presenters. [TS]

  And it's difficult for them to be in the spotlight about Lego are you just a woman present or are you like. These are. [TS]

  People in charge of these part of the product that is like plucked out of your woman can you talk about this project [TS]

  like they're in charge of this is their job so it's. [TS]

  I thought it was exactly what it should have been the actual women behind important technologies present. [TS]

  Doing presentations on those technologies that they created their team created so big thumbs up. Yeah definitely. [TS]

  So I brought up Apple pay because it was you know the woman who was in charge of Apple had a presented [TS]

  and I didn't think there was too much there to one pack the couple highlights for me were loyalty cards being [TS]

  integrated into passbook which is sort of not passbook anymore will get there in a second. [TS]

  That's really exciting to me because about a year ago I tried to slim down my wallet from being as thick as. [TS]

  John's wallet which I'm looking at next to him and it's like four feet thick. It's all money. [TS]

  Well to make it rain in here. Yeah man. [TS]

  But now the fifteenth single didn't want to do notice triclosan school where you have to talk in the post show about [TS]

  how wrong a trifold wallet is but will eat at another time. But anyway so. Loyalty cards are now in passbook which. [TS]

  When I went through this like wallet cleansing and purging event about a year ago what I found was I had you know. [TS]

  Bunch of loyalty cards that I use once a month. [TS]

  But I want to have them because they save me money or whatever earn me perks [TS]

  or whatever the case may be in so I want to have them with me [TS]

  and so what I ended up doing was putting those all my glove box well. In my car. [TS]

  Well it would be awesome to have that in pass book so I don't need to worry about that anymore [TS]

  and that's exactly what's coming with eyelets nine. [TS]

  I thought that was also any thoughts about that before I move on gentlemen the favorite thing I have a low key cards is [TS]

  that once you get a loyalty card and you put it into Apple Pay. It's a signifier that store except apple pie. [TS]

  Because otherwise how would they let you put your well the carter so it is you know if you're going to slim down your [TS]

  wallet. You should be pulling out. Like. [TS]

  Pulling out credit cards ignore now but pulling out loyalty cards are going to have but [TS]

  and all that means another location where you can use apple pie [TS]

  and having used Apple Bay now for a while I wish every place. [TS]

  Could use an amazing that's much more can mean the digging out your big giant wall [TS]

  and point things out of it so it's going to take a while for us to get there [TS]

  but I can imagine certain people if they pick where they shop very carefully which is exactly what Apple wants like you [TS]

  should. You know frequent. Apple plays stores. As a reward for them carrying out a pay. I'm so. [TS]

  I've been surprised so far at the success of I'll buy one of the ones that one of those that tried to use Apple play. [TS]

  Didn't take it was up on the slide Trader Joe's I went there like you think apple pie like all sorry we don't well [TS]

  they're going through this year. So you know. [TS]

  They're not going to go one by one [TS]

  and all those old stories that we go Do you know it's also the other thing I wanted to know about Apple Pay was that [TS]

  they are now. Partnering with square but I'm assuming it's a partnership anyway they're partnering with square. [TS]

  To make some sort of N.F.C. [TS]

  Based Apple Pay reader to work to work with Square which I thought was a phenomenally bright idea for both companies I [TS]

  mean to me it seemed like a win win. [TS]

  Because you know squares becoming kind of omnipresent [TS]

  and even in places like Richmond you know it's not a San Francisco thing [TS]

  and even in Richmond you see any sort of independent vendor is using square now. [TS]

  And then to have Apple pay support for something as ubiquitous as Square. [TS]

  I think is extremely bright and it seems that both square [TS]

  and Apple are pushing that pretty heavily which to me is brilliant so I definitely applaud that. [TS]

  Yeah I mean that that is a genius move like. [TS]

  I'm kind of Honestly I'm kind of surprise it didn't happen when Apple he was alone was launching an all but. [TS]

  But I'm glad is having now because that will. That will make it a lot easier for a lot more please take it. [TS]

  They're complementary systems because remember Square is always been like all this is the reader that you put into your [TS]

  headphone jack on your thing and you know if you have a kiosk you use an i Pad kiosk [TS]

  and the net like a hook up a card swipe [TS]

  or thing to it like they always had sort of like the last mile problem of payment like how do you get a thing from a [TS]

  customer that lets you pay with and magnetic stripes are so barbaric that there was no. The barrier is like. [TS]

  Now that has been solved. Hopefully your customer well heeled customers all have i OS devices that have Apple Pay. [TS]

  And it works best and city is filled with people who have i OS devices. Know what square is filling a need. [TS]

  Like you know. Wal-Mart is going to use square. [TS]

  Like the big credit card processors are geared towards the big customers [TS]

  but if you're to selling a bunch of stuff out of like a kiosk or something like a craft fair. [TS]

  Having Square is awesome because it makes us fancy of the big vendors. [TS]

  But it's something you can set up yourself in a weekend. And take payments from anybody with an i Phone. Yeah. [TS]

  Yeah I've definitely applaud it. Mark I want to tell so something else that's cool. [TS]

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  If you can't respond you know you can do the whole call for you it's really you know that's that's a very impressive [TS]

  feature that hopefully is very important to some people. If they need it. [TS]

  They can also do you know lighter stuff like you can remember where you parked. [TS]

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  and your phone's in your pocket your phone is where you are so again you can combine intelligence from these two [TS]

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  So all this there's well there's this online component there's a software component you would think there'd be like [TS]

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  Thank you very much to automatic for sponsoring our show once again. Right. So we should continue with I was nine and. [TS]

  Today was Federica teaches birthday it was Christmas. [TS]

  It was everything to Federico and I actually exchanged a couple of text messages with him [TS]

  and suffice to say he has decide I'm selfish because unlike a million dollars in roaming fees. [TS]

  I don't know well thank you thank goodness it was actually I message but yeah anyway. [TS]

  There's a lot of attention paid to the i Pad and a lot of features are pretty not that many but [TS]

  but important features to make using the i Pad as a workhorse. A much easier and more productive. Device. [TS]

  The quick and easy ones they seem to be doubling down on keyboard support physical keyboard support. [TS]

  So they have an all taps which are command. [TS]

  Tab God Oh no and I mean really don't think oh God here [TS]

  and now I want to crawl in a hole I'm going to crawl under Marko's bed real quick and in cry. [TS]

  They have a command says the weight of it all yet I thought weird at all. [TS]

  They have can tap what you're I think they're more keyboard shortcuts they kind of flashed a few things on the screen [TS]

  and I didn't get a chance to catch them all. [TS]

  But what was really interesting is and I want to play with it because it did not look terribly intuitive to me [TS]

  but I suspect once I use it it won't be so bad is the keyboard on i Pad apparently is now a track pad [TS]

  when you use more than one finger at a time. [TS]

  Did you guys kind of catch I was trying to watch how that works [TS]

  and it was flying by way too quick for me to really understand this is a feature of one of my favorite i OS apps that I [TS]

  really hope that Apple would bring everywhere. [TS]

  But I use it on my phone to a terrific added a feature in a recent version where. [TS]

  If you swipe not on the keyboard of you swipe on the on the text. [TS]

  Area where you're composing a tweet it will move the insertion point. Oh really. Yes. [TS]

  Oh you know that you should try it and once you get used to that you hate every other text. [TS]

  Thing that is always annoyed me. It always annoys about i OS overall the entire system understand why the. [TS]

  Is sort of just against my computer religion. [TS]

  All of the all of the interface elements that I was brought up with react as fast as the computer can react to whatever [TS]

  it is you're doing. [TS]

  Right so you click on a window closed which is the window closes maybe there's an animation or whatever [TS]

  but the window closes right. You double click. [TS]

  Fast as you can double click it registers a look at happens [TS]

  but I.O.'s because of the limited interface had to have a bunch of things where you have to tap and hold. [TS]

  And there's nothing you can do to make that hold faster you don't hope for the mirror now time you don't get tap [TS]

  and hold. And so many things I was require that. [TS]

  Selecting text tab hold and that hold him in maybe doesn't bother most people [TS]

  but I feel like I'm waiting for the computer is waiting for me I'm going for the good [TS]

  or we're just waiting to gather in a pointless way. Right. [TS]

  Moving insertion point I find really frustrating if I want to put the insertion point the beginning of the line I [TS]

  frequently tap. I'm too close to the edges digitizer didn't get it topple it's not like going top. [TS]

  If I want to move left one character requires a super precise tap on my giant meaty finger to move the left one [TS]

  character. Whereas in Twitter ethic. Swipe left. [TS]

  The insertion point was the less life left left left left three characters as fast as I can swipe right right right [TS]

  left left left right [TS]

  and so what they were showing was a different way to do the same thing to say Look how fast I can move the cursor [TS]

  around there's no way you could accurately move the cursor around a fast as they were demo ing. [TS]

  And yet they're basically using the service like a track by which is different swiping but it's like. It's like they. [TS]

  There's no mouse on I.I.S. They didn't talk about this. [TS]

  But this is really darn close to controlling it cursor with the trackpad on [TS]

  and i OS devices like your finger is not the point your finger is moving around on the surface [TS]

  and another thing let's call it the pointer is around over there. And I love this feature I mean. [TS]

  In principle I haven't tried it yet to see if they've at the implementation is intuitive [TS]

  but I love the limited version of this in Twitter epic and lots of other apps I'm going to this. [TS]

  I think Android has lots of versions of this with their various keyboards and interface. This is. [TS]

  I hate cap and hold I get anything let's move the insertion point around. [TS]

  I'm really glad they're doing this I really hope they also do it on the i Phone It wasn't clear to me which one of [TS]

  these features stay on i Pad and which ones come to all I was devised is. Yeah I'm pretty sure that was. [TS]

  I Pad only Yeah that's what I bought it for this release maybe next year some things were [TS]

  and some things like I think you're right about the trackpad but I think some other aspects of the new keyboard. [TS]

  They're shown or mentioned to be available they will fall the bait is them a find out [TS]

  but I think there is no reason that a lot of these features should be limited to i Pad. [TS]

  Because I got to the place where I use a little swipe the future the most is an i Phone app with the trackpad area [TS]

  might be like well. [TS]

  You need to have a big area to move around [TS]

  or you to the people they don't want you to put two fingers down with one of the gestures like a two finger thing like [TS]

  how do I. Yeah a place for two fingers on my phone thing but I like plays Apple. We need. [TS]

  If anything you need even more sort of the way to move the cursor around and [TS]

  or Texel actions in a tiny little i Phone screen is so much harder to get your fingers in there [TS]

  and just getting less caught built a small. Mike was wrong. [TS]

  Then the other big feature that they talked about for the i Pad is a multi Bleich real honest to goodness multitasking [TS]

  in the sense of multiple things on the screen I don't call Windows. Yeah they're not window. Right but. [TS]

  But multiple apps on the screen at the same time and. [TS]

  Remind me the terminology because I was paying close attention [TS]

  and because I haven't played with this yet it has really sink in so there's some mechanism where you can like swipe in [TS]

  an app. [TS]

  Temporarily [TS]

  but you can't interact with it is that correct no so so you're so there's a slide in your slide over whatever it's [TS]

  called right where it's almost like notification center where it just kind of like literally like you couldn't swipe [TS]

  from the right and you can slide in an i Phone app. Over top of the running. I Pad apps running full screen or. [TS]

  You can actually see you know actually see shrink the current running app. And actually have them both side by side. [TS]

  At the same time so if you don't know if you only think. I dove or thing. The slide over thing. [TS]

  First of all that works on more i Pad. That works on your retina Padmini. Hi Stephen and. That works on on most. [TS]

  I Pads above the A five C.P.U. [TS]

  So any anything with retina screen that isn't over and i Pad three basically [TS]

  and then if you have the i Pad air to only the most recent full sized i Pad. That one is the only one that can do. [TS]

  Actually running two apps like indefinitely because unlike the other mode where were you just live on in temporarily. [TS]

  The background that becomes unavailable until you slide that app out of out of the way and right. [TS]

  So that's I think that's mostly I mean. It might be a power user price segmentation issue partly. [TS]

  But I think it's probably also just like RAM concerns of trying to access active it Rameau I was going to guess that it [TS]

  was C.P.U. For the first I was thinking RAM but then I was thinking like. It can't be ram. [TS]

  Because all those same apps are expected to run on machines with one gig of ram. That's true. Right and so C.P.U. [TS]

  I can think of like well. [TS]

  Because it's not limited I don't think is it limited you have to do special support for for the splitter [TS]

  or like anybody. You know. [TS]

  Is there a limit on what kind of apps you can put in a split pay [TS]

  and I don't think there is either way what I was thinking of as it so you trying to split between two games [TS]

  and both games use every ounce of computing power. [TS]

  I Pad air to maybe the only thing that can run two out simultaneously with acceptable performance if one [TS]

  or both of those apps are very demanding. Yeah and this might be you know that if it is C.P.U. Relevant. [TS]

  This might be why. [TS]

  The i Pad air to ship with this third corps that like that they really under played at the launch they didn't even [TS]

  mention I don't think and. [TS]

  It's better to as it has had ridiculous performance compared to other IOW as I said it is so much faster and like [TS]

  and here's the thing I like like also what they sell Macs all the time when P.C.B. [TS]

  Use it is like well if it's slow it's slow but there's the expectation and i OS device that. If an app works. [TS]

  It should always work and. If it works. [TS]

  And then you bring and then you split screen and all of a sudden get super slow [TS]

  and crappy like oh well this thinks it is the expectation on the macro used to like the activation of the MCAS if [TS]

  you're doing a bunch other crap. [TS]

  One of your apps could get worse because you go to much other crap on i OS it's like well if your runs [TS]

  or doesn't run it's like a game console in the works or doesn't work. And to have an app that seems to work. [TS]

  But then you bring in like a different application in a splitter paying to run the ball the same time [TS]

  and then it doesn't work as well like the frame rate suffers or the sound sound problem like I stutter but like. [TS]

  Whatever the the working where his non-working state is the [TS]

  but I think they're trying to keep the expectation is look if you're operands it will continue to run even if there's [TS]

  another one running right next to it right. Like an appliance like they just don't want to you know. [TS]

  And you're right it could just be market segmentation I want to sell more I paid actors what I'm looking for a [TS]

  technical reason. And I honestly it's probably some of both. You know. They do want to sell more i Pad or two's. [TS]

  They do want to just sell more new i Pads period because you know. [TS]

  One of the biggest problems they have for i Pad sales. Is that old I've had continued to be pretty useful. [TS]

  People who are using them they don't break. Right exactly like a lot of people still use like. [TS]

  I've had three The i Pad twos and they're fine. [TS]

  So you know it you know they might get a little slower over time but like. [TS]

  There aren't a lot of compelling reasons pushing people to upgrade their i Pads. And this. If you. [TS]

  If you are if you've been frustrated by the limitations of trying to get work done on the i Pad. [TS]

  A lot of people are going to look at. [TS]

  This and say Oh well if I if I get the i Pad air to [TS]

  or whatever new i Pad to come out this fall presumably then I'll be able to work better you know so that will drive [TS]

  sales no question the one thing they didn't show that I really thought they were going to show. [TS]

  Least maybe didn't I blacked out during this period I can tell me they had to think side by side never like looking at [TS]

  the a link in a notes happened so far is on the left I can tap the link [TS]

  and it loads right in Safari like you know you don't have to switch apps you have everything contacts I really wanted [TS]

  them to grab something and drag it from one of those planes into the other. I really wanted that that happened. [TS]

  They didn't do it right next year. [TS]

  Thought they did didn't they weren't thing in the notes happen they took like a link from so far he had been I was [TS]

  right maybe they were dead on the Mac. [TS]

  I think that's what I'm not sure I'm not a company so I don't know that if anything I've had that's like way every time [TS]

  you talk about Federica teacher who is a big fan of using i Pad His main computer. [TS]

  And I've always been talking about the i Pad Pro that like the i Pad is a better computing device for regular people [TS]

  that you can throw in front of somebody and they can do useful work in it much easier if you throw a MAC or a P.C. [TS]

  In front of them right there is the future of computing but if it's going to be the future computing [TS]

  and needs more capabilities I'm one of those capabilities like what if I'm just assembling a bunch of stuff like I'm [TS]

  trying to make a document a bunch of but then because it's a pain in the [TS]

  but if you have to switch the whole you know that your entire contents just carries replacement Something else we're [TS]

  replacing like two things they announce that I won the i Cloud Drive app and suicide by side things. [TS]

  Starts to give you a workflow. [TS]

  That looks a little bit more like a I can pull from here problem there assembled that document made of media [TS]

  and a bunch of other places open this up in an editor application tweak it drag the resulting version into this like an [TS]

  i Pad Pro Now has it even more reason to exist because I mean maybe you don't get three splitter planes [TS]

  but the to splurge that you get can be. It can be bigger and better and it can have a bigger C.P.U. [TS]

  To have more stuff going on with this like they're reinventing the mac on the i Pad They're trying to give you. [TS]

  The capabilities that you have on the mac without the complexity without much of the complexity. [TS]

  Well and also you know with the better hardware keyboard support. [TS]

  You can do all these things and do it do the more efficiently with a hardware keyboard which is also appealing. [TS]

  It was a bummer to me though as a pretty big fan of the of the i Pad Mini was a bummer that. [TS]

  As of today as it exists today there is no i Pad Mini that supports the I think they're calling it App pinning which is [TS]

  like the split Yand with split screen two apps running simultaneously set up and. [TS]

  I would hope in assume that this fall when the i Pad Mini what are we up to for something like that [TS]

  when the next i Pad Mini comes out that maybe it would be supported [TS]

  but I also wonder if maybe they will still say well the screen is to physically small to support two windows that wants [TS]

  to know this is only a full size i Pad thing. [TS]

  And even though I only use i Pad for goofing off ninety nine percent of the time. [TS]

  I still love my my i Pad Mini [TS]

  and I wasn't planning to go back to earlier in the conversation wasn't sitting here now planning on upgrading to the [TS]

  next one. [TS]

  Until I found a reason to do so [TS]

  and today I might have found the reason to do so so I'm a perfect example of someone who might have just been pushed [TS]

  into upgrading who may not have otherwise. [TS]

  And the picture in picture thing I think is another thing where it doesn't require because the you assume video [TS]

  playback you know is that a good hardware for that in everything it could be done even by wimpy devices. [TS]

  Even that is like. Well what if you know I'm using the ammo be ab. [TS]

  But I want to also be like reading email or scrolling through Twitter. [TS]

  Picture in picture throw a little window up in the corner [TS]

  and now you can do for them that that really changes the game for whole classes of applications very alike people. [TS]

  People will go away from the i Pad as they think of it as a single tasking device even multiple things are going on [TS]

  just the ability to have a little video thing running in a corner it was just like a You Tube video [TS]

  or whatever just to have that off in the corner and to be able to do other things. [TS]

  Really changes the game on the i Pad Now it is it's not your mac but it's. [TS]

  It's so much it's like going from zero to one is huge difference right. [TS]

  I couldn't agree more because on the plane on the way here I would. Trying to watch an episode of Top Gear. [TS]

  And then I kept getting text messages from like you know you guys or Aaron or something like that. [TS]

  And in that situation. [TS]

  Because I'm in a plane I can only have one device on the Internet at a time because that's the way plane wife I works. [TS]

  Well that OK I the all day pass from from go go before you on the planet you can find all your devices what. [TS]

  Yeah mine blown one way. I had thought that I could only have one device online of the time. [TS]

  And so what ended up happening was because I couldn't effectively. [TS]

  Watch this video without the being interrupted constantly I said you know what screw it I'll take the i Pad with a [TS]

  nicer keyboard that's easier to type on. I'll take that off the Internet. [TS]

  And I'll put my phone on the Internet [TS]

  and I had them both sitting on my tray table like a lunatic because that was the most efficient way for me to do [TS]

  everything I wanted it once which was watch this episode of Top Gear. [TS]

  While also talking to you guys or Aaron or whomever. And and. I had picture in picture. [TS]

  That would have made this so much better and easier to deal with [TS]

  or if you had a mac if you had a mac you get the right of the movie when no in the background on your message window. [TS]

  Like you know and you could arrange them ever you wanted picture and pictures a little mini version of that. [TS]

  Well what's interesting about this too is like this is major features that are i Pad. [TS]

  Only possibly big i Pad only that the i Phones can't do. And probably won't get if I had to take a guess. [TS]

  And so that I think like. [TS]

  They they really have to do something to try to give more people are reason to use i Pads [TS]

  and use them more often over just you know I'll just get a big phone. [TS]

  And you know from Apple point of view from our point of view might we might just say will just make the phone better [TS]

  we'll deal with it [TS]

  but a lot of people like there go they're going to now be pushed into either using their just in i Pads more [TS]

  or getting new i Pads and from Apple's point of view that makes sense as as as a goal as some of the need to do. [TS]

  So we'll see what happens I think it's I think what they're doing on the i Pad is smart. [TS]

  I don't know if it will turn around the kind of like plateau of usefulness the. [TS]

  I've had seems to have hit for many people I don't know [TS]

  but I guess I will tell you I think you really have to think Apple's wing is to you really had to age out the old ones [TS]

  like they just like come on guys get rid of just stop using those things just. [TS]

  They want the old devices to go away [TS]

  and legs out of there's no differentiator like they don't they don't know what the product upgrade cycle is me i Pad [TS]

  because the product is too young [TS]

  and now they're trying to hasten the demise of these older devices because they're holding they're holding back the [TS]

  progress of the platform with Apple. Right. Who's so often talk about it I'll be over to see this. [TS]

  This is saying all right. We are moving forward. [TS]

  You're not you can't have these nice things we really hope these nice things are compelling to customers because that's [TS]

  the only way we'll move things forward. Although in another very interesting major way. The new version of i O. S. [TS]

  Doesn't age any old devices. [TS]

  I know [TS]

  and they're still selling a five to fifteen an i Pod Touch up there on the support of things like you kidding me like [TS]

  that's that's what I think about you know. That's what I mean you mention like why can't they bring split screen. [TS]

  If someone. If you're making a thing. And you're like I want. [TS]

  I want this game to work at all the things are going to make this game work on a five it's probably so hard for you to [TS]

  get that game to work on a five that they said oh by the way you get half of an A five because it's like I was like I [TS]

  can't support that at all like they should just get rid of the A five us. Devices but yeah. [TS]

  It's better to use the I guess the trying to use the carrot here [TS]

  and say you don't get these fancy features on the i Pad at the very least on the phone stuff. [TS]

  They seem to been limiting themselves to features that can live on I ninety five class devices. [TS]

  Albeit in sort of abbreviated form. I don't know. [TS]

  Well but to go back to the quick step they did mention and one of the two presentations we've seen today that. [TS]

  Coming Soon you can target sixty four bit devices only which is well after the A five day seven up. [TS]

  Right so you Curly six. I forget I don't know how it's something that's not an eighth. Because they say. [TS]

  But regardless. [TS]

  So you can choose to target an app only it's sixty four bit devices which is sort of kind of all waiting to get around [TS]

  this. Oh my God I really don't want to support the A five problem. But either way. [TS]

  It was definitely some great advances for the i Pad. [TS]

  I kind of wish we had a live camera on Federico all this was happening. It was like having a live camera on you when. [TS]

  Year I think that that would've been amazing but. [TS]

  But now they're they're both Everything sounds really good I'm really looking for trying on my ex-wife though we knew [TS]

  that the splitting the screen stuff existed [TS]

  and I say it like with our Yeah the last shows of Federico could have been totally shocked the truth character [TS]

  but it was nice to you know it wasn't just the splitting screen it was more stuff on top of that in the keyboard [TS]

  changes and you know so. Lots of i Pad love this time. You know. Speaking of swift swift to point out was the thing. [TS]

  And that's the most fascinating and interesting thing to me about swift to point out is that it not only Swift. [TS]

  Two point zero going to be open sourced later this year. [TS]

  But a the reaction to that from the audience was stunningly enthusiastic Not that I expected people to be like oh. [TS]

  But people were like We really amped up about it. Surprisingly amped up about it. I don't know what did you guys think. [TS]

  I think that makes sense because I think as developers. [TS]

  Developers in the modern age you know they have you're going to make a language that language is always going to suck [TS]

  at some degree if it's pride to write. If it's a single company. [TS]

  Language like that the everyone developers know you need to have an ecosystem [TS]

  and the best for languages especially like warfront A.P.R.'s frameworks where but for languages. [TS]

  There's just kind of accepted that. If your language is going to be worth a damn long term. [TS]

  It needs to not be your own little private toys. You need to open it up. [TS]

  And it needs to be available to everyone needs to not just be an Apple specific thing. [TS]

  Having more people using your language benefits the language Apple can still steer the ship [TS]

  and be in charge of it because they write the most code and all the stuff but you know. [TS]

  Web get is a great example not even a language of programming languages programmers feel really nervous about the idea [TS]

  that you know even though Objective C. Is like well. [TS]

  Is that open kind of sort of but Apple's been advancing [TS]

  and it makes everyone feel better in the same way that I think the core was that having Darwin be open source which [TS]

  people forget about now and seems not important. Like the. [TS]

  Those are those are developer comfort factors that parts of a core part of the U.S. [TS]

  Is open source was a big comfort factor when I was ten was new [TS]

  and swift doing opensource now I think makes people feel a lot better about Swift. [TS]

  So it is important to clarify though. What part is open source. [TS]

  Well that's the other thing I was going to bring up it's funny you say that because they said they're open sourcing the [TS]

  language but they also said there opens. [TS]

  Open sourcing some of the frame or other said Well entered library [TS]

  but I mean by all right your writings were like into an array. And I got the only thing to a lot of rain or a crisis. [TS]

  There is no that's where the standard library so then saying we're open sourcing Swift [TS]

  and the standard library that's just like things with other frameworks I mean some parts of coronation already are open [TS]

  source but that's not swift You know like but what else is there to submit Are there any swift only frameworks. [TS]

  I don't know at this point I don't think so I think math allow that. [TS]

  So that all there is the language and the standard library. And then you know. Calling into a bunch of Objective C. [TS]

  Frameworks. Many of which are closed source and will probably remain that way. Right so you know. [TS]

  I think it's the same deal with Darwin like the language of the compiler was already open source. [TS]

  The language the standard library. How do you know Linux port is basically say you want to write an app. [TS]

  A program in Linux you want to use west to do it go ahead. Oh but wait I can't call into N.S.T. [TS]

  You're also action of course you can't like that's not that's not on Linux like. [TS]

  And if they make this a bunch of frameworks only available to swift they'll be Apple frameworks that are close [TS]

  or just like the apple close friend works [TS]

  but you know core foundations the best example because most of it is closed but there is a version of the C.F. [TS]

  Light or whatever. That's part of Darwin the same thing the rest of Austin. [TS]

  A lot of us tend in the chorus and everything are open but then some parts of a proprietary like the graphics drivers [TS]

  or whatever that have proprietary stuff from envy [TS]

  and eighty i so I think this is exactly as open source is everyone was asking for us wish to be [TS]

  and that's that's why everyone applauded the like you know put apples [TS]

  and so clearly saying we're staking the future our platform on this language. [TS]

  And it just makes everyone feel so much better to have it open. Yeah. Now do you reckon that we're soon. To find. [TS]

  Swift taking over for node or the Java Script framework to shore of the minutes [TS]

  and that suddenly everything server side was going is going to be swift defied. [TS]

  I mean that's things people talk about all you know it could be Apple dart Safari can run swish it of [TS]

  and translated to javascript the any excuse to try to get a job of script you know like can be used with that Iraq use [TS]

  within the client side and server side and the client side would be a browser or would be a native app [TS]

  and you could run swift on the server like. [TS]

  And I guess shared libraries between them are a long way from that that's what opening. [TS]

  Open sourcing it allows the happen if it that if it's worth a damn as a server side language some presidents will try [TS]

  to use it and will see like maybe Haneke library support those libraries. You know. [TS]

  That's the whole thing is opened up if you want to make a lot of very to make server side web applications with Swift. [TS]

  You could do that now because you wouldn't be like well it's great just to use Macs with your servers like the like [TS]

  yeah right now that is an open language people can try anything and everything was swift [TS]

  and the community of programmers will find out what's what is good for and what's what is not good for and. [TS]

  If a bunch of people may like a big library like. [TS]

  You know some sort of server side framework for writing by about then it was awesome. [TS]

  It would live and die on its own merits. [TS]

  But it is no longer limited by the fact that Swift is confined to the Apple world. I do think though that. [TS]

  Web programmers who are hoping to use this as a service that language I would love to look at that honestly like that [TS]

  would give me a lot more reason to learn swift if I could use it in both places. [TS]

  But I think people like me are going to be disappointed if you know if we try if we think that this is going to enable [TS]

  us to make web apps and swift. Like you know. This fall or tomorrow or whatever. [TS]

  And we try it and it turns out that you know. The lack of all of the frameworks. [TS]

  Because you would use you would use all the sort of the frameworks for dealing with your elves [TS]

  and making web requests [TS]

  and like with like oh well that's not there like well then what do I get like what could you share if you wanted to say [TS]

  I want to have a bunch of code that I share with you my web app. And my i OS app and hit think. Well is there a. [TS]

  Any partier I would have to doesn't call any cocoa it beyond that are apples Probably not unless you don't like a lot [TS]

  of math or unless you've implemented your entire data storage layer yourself [TS]

  and not using the foundation collection classes and like all the stuff that. [TS]

  That either well you're in you or you can use all the you know the arrays and dictionaries [TS]

  and stuff that are native to swift in that are bridge to the other stuff but it's. Yeah it's not like. [TS]

  This is the step to in a long potential road to swift being more useful than it currently is [TS]

  but this is an essential first step to say. It's open. [TS]

  Now people can see what the hell it's good for and can use and submit bug fixes [TS]

  and can see the source to try to debunk their own problems because it is a young language in there are going to be [TS]

  weird things and it's great when you have the the source to parrot what the hell's going on under the covers and. [TS]

  You know who knows how many submissions I'll get maybe maybe Google will start using it [TS]

  and make their own fork of it [TS]

  and give it a different name I don't see that happen I mean if they did start using it they would definitely fork it [TS]

  within a year like the Web good example that's open and then their kind of work together [TS]

  and I was like you know what we can't even work together on this. [TS]

  Now I don't see that happening because as with this clearly Apple's baby [TS]

  but yeah this is the more of a a feel good moment and a opening of many doors [TS]

  and we don't know how many of those doors will just lead to blind alleys or bottomless pit. [TS]

  Now but anything else [TS]

  and I was nine that's worth discussing at this moment I don't think that well I think we think after the break we [TS]

  should talk about notes and news. Oh you're right. Yep sorry for governors. Let's do our final sponsor of the week. [TS]

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  Excellent so now market you reminded me we should probably talk about news. Yes So. [TS]

  First of all I honestly I'm looking forward to the note that you think it looks pretty nice. [TS]

  I'm not a heavy notes user. [TS]

  And part of it is because I've never liked any of the solutions that do that that can be sync between mac. And I O. S.. [TS]

  And I do so much work on the mac. That. Like I would love to use Vesper by our friend John Gruber. [TS]

  But I I've just never. We're got into it because they don't have an axe version yet. And. [TS]

  And what I see from the new notes app looks pretty compelling it looks really interesting because what they've done [TS]

  with that is they've made it. This this complete. [TS]

  It looks you know it's a complete rich text editor it's almost like a word processor but look you know. [TS]

  Modern and not made not made for print. [TS]

  Like it has all the like Rich formatting styles you can apply to things that supports inline images in my media. [TS]

  They had this cool thing where you could like you can convert a list of lines into a checklist [TS]

  and then check them off that has it's like embedded checklist functionality. [TS]

  A lot of these things that we see from from apps like. Man what is what's Jesse gross jeans app that it's like. [TS]

  It's like it's a combination of task paper or something I've gone off [TS]

  and have to look it up put in a show if we can find it but like there's. There are so many like. [TS]

  So much rich functionality that that's in this app that. That appears to be there and I O. S. and A mac. [TS]

  And it all sinks. Like there were there were rumors of this that. You know that. [TS]

  Notes used to be sync via I met with your mail account which was a terrible idea that never were that's the thing is [TS]

  the still I'm not back right. [TS]

  I think it might be I think it still is because on I think on my wife's computer she doesn't use Apple's Mail stuff [TS]

  and I think every time I try to enable notes like oh you need me email address. [TS]

  Well that's the way it is today [TS]

  and one point they flashed up a slide of my business afternoon where it was all the bits and pieces of i Cloud [TS]

  and Notes was there and what I'm not sure is like if it's. I map does that classify as still being I like the thing. [TS]

  The fact that if I map is to bad things one IMO there's a weird flaky and two you have this weird. [TS]

  Dependency where you can't use notes. In a sink to Manor unless you have it in email account it's like. [TS]

  How are those two things related anyway and you'd have to know well it's using on a map of the back which is gross [TS]

  and has always bothered me but the reason I use notes is a guy called Marco said. Because there's a mac app. [TS]

  And i OS app and I use it in both places and so I use notes I just read my toaster. No it's off of the note that and. [TS]

  I'd really do edit those notes into places I I start entering them when i Pod I fix them up a little bit [TS]

  when I'm on my computer at the thing that annoys me about no it's a they didn't. [TS]

  I like the fact that has all these new features they didn't demo the one feature really wanted [TS]

  and the thing that always drives me nuts [TS]

  when I'm trying to do any set it kind know it's in Iowa says I I find myself looking in vain for the tab key on the i [TS]

  O. S. Keyboard. Because I want to outline view got a lot of life. [TS]

  And they did show bulleted lists and they showed Rick's text and sort of headings they did not show outlines [TS]

  and I find a lot of the notes I make are outlining [TS]

  and like in the in text that it has I think the whole over the next days. [TS]

  People don't know I think I mentioned a few times of your in text editor on the mac and you had option tab. [TS]

  It suddenly goes into this weird pseudo outlining indent the rich text mode. [TS]

  Thing that I use a lot of not great or real outlining app like on the outside or something would be way better [TS]

  but I want something that sort of available everywhere. Supported by the system. [TS]

  So this stuff for notes that in the next version but I'm happy for a bunch of additional features. [TS]

  And I'll be super happy if this gets off the I'm at Bab back and then goes on to the new Cloud get back [TS]

  and for real like the native. You know Cloud get document. Type stuff instead of I'm out because. [TS]

  Just seems silly to me and I don't maybe it's irrational. [TS]

  But I don't trust the does much but I just don't and I have had many cases the notes were no suddenly get duplicated [TS]

  and I have no leads to blitz and so he stuff like that I'm hoping it will be better with the proper back and. [TS]

  And I have to imagine that I don't think they would have done this. This big enhanced meant. [TS]

  Which you know this might have been a total rewrite using what usually had clout get back and. [TS]

  I don't think they would have done that if they were still using my map. [TS]

  And if they ever plan to move it off financially they would have waited in the same time minutes as the bag of bytes [TS]

  like you can put whatever you want and I get scared thinking like [TS]

  when you select all the stuff in to make that into a bullet list like the using servo weird bastardized markdown [TS]

  language behind the scenes that are really just as a big giant text I thought R.T.F. [TS]

  As anywhere [TS]

  but it's like there's a line between a bunch of weird things that humans were never supposed to see that make up the [TS]

  file format. And something like mark down where it's like. [TS]

  We just picked it you know it's supposed to be readable as plain text then we just we just made up our own plaintext [TS]

  thing to mean a check mark that checked on a check mark is not checked out of the I I'm hoping the back end is better [TS]

  on this one. But nothing they showed me. [TS]

  Definitively says it must be they could pull this off on top of my map with a weird format under the covers I just hope. [TS]

  they're not. I'm guessing it's like H.T.M.L. You know something like that all maybe it is R.T.F. Who knows. Yeah. [TS]

  R.T.F. Is a not a great format postscript will say. All right so I think we got talk about this new zap right. [TS]

  Apple instant articles. [TS]

  Yeah that's basically I mean it looks like it's a lot like [TS]

  or you know Apple board Apple is that articles with no visible means of support. Meaning. [TS]

  I was pretty sure they did not mention a single time adds advertisers or anything like that [TS]

  and also on the page it says you can use I add. [TS]

  So I'm not entirely sure of the details we haven't had time to look into the details [TS]

  but it looks like their solution is basically. If you want to monetize this. You can use our ad system. [TS]

  The one that everyone lot I don't have in the world on fears of we don't know what their solution is [TS]

  but we do know how they present. [TS]

  Did and they presented entirely as an end user benefit we talk about the Facebook instead articles. [TS]

  Being presented as like. Here's the end user benefit instant. You don't have to wait for stuff to load. [TS]

  And then but they also said. Here's the publisher benefit. [TS]

  We'll give you all your ad money you'll get lots of demographical you've got lots of reach blah blah blah blah blah [TS]

  blah blah social sharing they could start here instead of you know like. They get to have that apple. [TS]

  Only gave the consumer have. This is a cool way for you to read news. [TS]

  Look at this nice applique at these beautiful articles and eyes a little [TS]

  but they said look at his ranch layouts like that could be pitched art of the publishers a little bit. Hey. [TS]

  Like this looks like the New York Times don't get nervous New York Times your stuff with a look at the New York Times [TS]

  but it was still I think mostly Tyrolese towards the customer of saying these things. [TS]

  These publications look the way you expect them to look they still have personality you can find them all in one place. [TS]

  And I'm pretty sure. From memory. [TS]

  That all the articles they scrolled through did not have a single ad of them [TS]

  and it looks so allium because we're so used those scrolling through mobile web pages with a million ads and. [TS]

  Like in the middle of an article is a gigantic square the size of your entire screen advertising something [TS]

  and add a block is not as pervasive [TS]

  and I always let's say as it is on the desktop I don't maybe Chrome has some options for I don't think of anything you [TS]

  can do in Safari Club or maybe like the N.S.A. Your router to kill ads and stuff. [TS]

  It just looks so weird to be reading all these news sites. Without an ad in sight and so I'm left to wonder. [TS]

  You know I like the consumer story sort of. [TS]

  But what is the publisher story why oh why would wired and the New York Times and Rolling Stone [TS]

  or whoever else they put in there. Why would they want their things to be in news. [TS]

  Yeah if you aren't going to their Web sites and they can show you any ad in the thing. [TS]

  Like you have to use I And do you get to run your own ads I don't know as someone starkly tweeted I think it was Briana [TS]

  to. [TS]

  Snarkily tweeted worried about how this is going to affect the the application that Apple previously had in the space [TS]

  newsstand which is really burning up the charts. If not you know. [TS]

  Newsstand and I can see NEWSSTAND it's been a failure [TS]

  but it certainly has not been the success that Apple wanted it to be and. [TS]

  Here they are taking another run at the same problem. I'm not sure if they've nailed it on the second try either. [TS]

  So I've been looking through the fact and. It is it is very. [TS]

  It's interesting and it's kind of vague on some pretty important points. [TS]

  So first of all this is entirely based on R.S.S. For now. And they say there's an Apple news format that's coming soon. [TS]

  But the details of such for matter not available yet. And the way this works. [TS]

  Is it appears that they they will add R.S.S. Feeds for a lot of things by themselves and you can opt out of that. [TS]

  But then you can also sign up with an account. To to have like a management. Interface to submit your own R.S.S. [TS]

  Feeds for your own sites. So God knows how that's working out but. And then there's a submission status. [TS]

  And then there's some things about how can I. [TS]

  Monetize in the answer is you can monetize with I add and you can set and it says you can sell ads that. [TS]

  I guess I added just than serving it or you've entered. [TS]

  So if you enter ads into I ad that you have sold you keep all the revenue. Otherwise. [TS]

  If they sell the ads you know if you're showing their inventory. They sold. You get seventy percent so. [TS]

  It's interesting. [TS]

  And there's a section of like you know what's required in the requirement basically has been are self feed. [TS]

  And then what's recommended. And that says you know no. [TS]

  Read more links no advertising with outside of I had some of that so this will be interesting. I I I see that. [TS]

  I think the story for publishers. Is going to really depend on if anybody actually use. [TS]

  Because that same thing when facing a newsstand like right idea but if people just file that thing away [TS]

  and never look at it not so good idea anymore. Right like you know with with Facebook. [TS]

  The reason why Facebook is able to do something crazy like in articles is because it just have a ton of people. [TS]

  Browsing in face with they can throw around a ridiculous amount of traffic. And increasingly for publication. [TS]

  They kind of have to be a newsstand or I mean in that they have to be visible and Facebook somehow. [TS]

  Whether it's thrilling journals like they depend on Facebook's traffic to survive or to stay healthy. And so you know. [TS]

  Apple with a brand new app that. You know on day one. [TS]

  Certainly a lot of people are going to use it just because of the new Apple app and it's built into the zero S. [TS]

  or Whatever. But it's not going to be the size of Facebook's traffic for for browsing. Stuff on the web. [TS]

  I do wonder you know. [TS]

  Is this going to get big enough to to make it worth the publishers participating in making things really fancy besides [TS]

  just the dumb R.S.S. Feed dumps that. The publishers eventually realize oh crap. We forgot to monetize or feeds. [TS]

  And then they just stop supporting R.S.S. This. This could go very badly. [TS]

  You know it's worth considering like you know what. What is the endgame here and. This first of all this is very much. [TS]

  Not an apple like thing to attempt. [TS]

  Like if you if you would have said like you know it was two with two of the big tech companies are going to do this [TS]

  during a three month period which two is going to be. [TS]

  I don't think you would have guessed Apple be one of them I think you probably get Facebook and Google. You know. [TS]

  To have this be Apple is kind of weird. [TS]

  I think like the way they pitched it actually makes sense in terms of what the companies have like you just said so [TS]

  Facebook. Pitched way more towards the publishers. Because they've already got the users. [TS]

  Right there don't have to do to pitch that they did do the hey it's great under way for loading they don't have to [TS]

  pitch to the customer so much we've got a customer. [TS]

  People already using Facebook and Facebook controls what they see Facebook controls to feed. [TS]

  In a way that they with power they have exerted time [TS]

  and again where this point that people is except that Facebook has a tremendous amount of control of what they see [TS]

  and Facebook that they are not entirely control. So they push for the publishers. Apple's pitching to the users. [TS]

  Because there are far fewer publishers and. [TS]

  If the users are there I think Apple feels like they can get the publishers on board. [TS]

  Especially if they can differentiate themselves from Facebook or whatever. [TS]

  And some what they need to pitch is that users because it's this all this is pointless if you said if people don't use [TS]

  the new zap. [TS]

  So they're entirely going to the customers [TS]

  and saying you are the ones that we need that we don't have if we can get you on board it will be easy to explain to [TS]

  the New York Times and Vogue magazine or whatever why you should be in our thing. Even just if you're going to say. [TS]

  Do it as a hedge against giving all your content to Facebook and letting them control your destiny. [TS]

  And what's interesting to like they are saying this is the way forward so much that people in theory just tell me they [TS]

  have actually killed NEWSSTAND. [TS]

  Newsstand and I was nice here will say well not be mourned from Nate peel a user name emo it on Twitter. [TS]

  He says that when he thought I was nine. Newsstand was converted into a folder which is honestly that's great. [TS]

  Like what back when I was in used in Publisher I was saying they should do this [TS]

  and this is great this is perfect for everybody for user. [TS]

  Who hated it who'd ever wanted to see it had to bury it somewhere and [TS]

  and for the numbers available it was worse for the people who used it all the time because everything was those two [TS]

  levels down. [TS]

  Right [TS]

  and it was worse than for the publishers because their like their app couldn't be on the home right it couldn't be in [TS]

  the dock it couldn't be like it was also buried like it was it really just didn't work out at all for anybody for any [TS]

  side. Even for Apple because the knew what he wanted to use it and bad all around. So and. [TS]

  This is also interesting that it doesn't seem like there's any kind of payment method built into this. [TS]

  It's only ad based which is probably describing or anything. [TS]

  Yeah like I mean that's probably for the best is it does seem like on the web that just works a lot better [TS]

  and is by far the dominant way to monetize web content. [TS]

  It is interesting that like they are kind of saying Our Will NEWSSTAND is done. [TS]

  If you want to you know if you want to keep having apps that support payments in the app [TS]

  and I purchase subscriptions like those all still exist. And you can do them in an app separately from this. [TS]

  But if you want to be in this news that been this ecosystem it sure looks like your stuff has to be free on the web. [TS]

  This is also interesting comparison thing without the mention like so this is like well newsstand didn't work out let's [TS]

  take a second run of this problem. Whereas passbook turning into Apple wallet is not like all passbook didn't work out. [TS]

  Take another run it without the wallet. [TS]

  Apple wallet is a pass because always supposed to be like the same tech on your lying with a little H.T.M.L. [TS]

  Things that make the little cards and everything but when passbook was launched. [TS]

  They didn't have a financial component to it so it makes me go two ways one is. [TS]

  They wanted to be this pass book thing and that turns out. [TS]

  Payments that right into that in payments are more important the second is. [TS]

  They always wanted to be Apple wallet but you can't launch a thing called wallet with no money inside. [TS]

  It just as boarding passes. Like the entire pass book project. [TS]

  Everything they did as one hundred percent used in Apple wallet like all the tech that they worked on for all that I [TS]

  How do you make a pass book How to get in there what is it made out of how does that update itself. [TS]

  You know all that stuff for for all your boarding passes and event tickets and stuff. [TS]

  All use an awful lot of just now that I that we have album. [TS]

  Now sort of reveals its final form like it was always Apple wallet or [TS]

  and so passbook has become the beautiful butterfly of a lot and NEWSSTAND is just getting stomped on [TS]

  and there's a new thing with News in the name that is as far as I can tell. Unrelated to newsstand in every way. [TS]

  And we'll see if they got it right at them. Yeah. What's weird to me about news is that. [TS]

  I feel like it's solving a problem that nobody really had because I mean granted. [TS]

  Maybe you couldn't solve this problem with Soli safari in the things that are baked into I.O.'s But you know Flipboard [TS]

  is really good and. I don't think that we that the world was yearning for a footboard replacement. [TS]

  And yet here it is we're nearing for reading list either. Well. True. And so. [TS]

  I'm surprised that this is somewhere where they seem to a put a considerable amount of effort and. [TS]

  I'll certainly try it once I once I moved to I O. S. Nine which by the way pro to pay if you learn anything from us. [TS]

  Do not put on Beta one. [TS]

  Just don't yet just get better one just wait a couple weeks for Beta two to come out at the earliest [TS]

  and if you're if you're wise are going to wait until like July. [TS]

  Before you get a really nice generally like the pro move is. Don't and so on before Beta three. [TS]

  Usually by then they've worked out most of the major problems that that would prevent you from being able to use it [TS]

  like on your day to day phone. The wisest move is never to install the beta but if you insist which most of you will. [TS]

  Yet. Wait till they had two or three. Unless you're developing obviously if you have a spare phone. [TS]

  But whatever you want to never talk about it don't put it on your main phone [TS]

  but you're right host your main focus while travelling at the B.B.C. [TS]

  Because didn't you when I both put on five or whatever it was that had a notification center and most of us. [TS]

  Deeply regretted it will never let me forget that I did I think I was also an idiot [TS]

  and did the exact same thing a terrible decision. Absolutely terrible decision. [TS]

  All right anything else and I'll ask Can we talk watch us. I think it's time to go to the watch. [TS]

  All right so we're getting third party complications. Very happy. [TS]

  That makes the super happy I'm really excited about this. I think if developers can. [TS]

  Can keep themselves in check and actually do this tastefully. [TS]

  I think you can be phenomenal The problem is I'm not terribly convinced will be able to do is a totally They mentioned [TS]

  like they're talking about the movie at the time trial feature like that. [TS]

  You know what if you have something you don't know what it updates like the score [TS]

  and a game like not the weather you can updated every hour. [TS]

  The score in the game updates you don't know what it's going to be you want to know as soon as someone scores a goal [TS]

  you can do a push notification a priority push notification from your server that goes through the phone [TS]

  and I mean really thought. Video complications. Push it push a frame of video. [TS]

  What if your desk I can push push push push we're going to look up with a little bit tiny little video in the corner. [TS]

  That is the kind of abuse you're talking about I think yeah not being paid full and the [TS]

  and we've seen that Apple is seemingly either unwilling or unable or both to police. [TS]

  Notification of the use of video wouldn't work obviously is doing well but yeah. [TS]

  People can do things that one [TS]

  and we'll get to this with native apps that you could really hose someone's watch I didn't feel. [TS]

  Maybe I will go to the sessions later learned all the crazy limits are. [TS]

  But so what do you say I can send a portion of Haitian whatever I want up that a complication. [TS]

  You could keep that poor watch like is trying to go to sleep is trying to be like [TS]

  and you know I'm not doing any mode to keep getting these notifications like. [TS]

  You now have the power I think to basically make a badly behaved app that drains someone's watch battery way more than [TS]

  you know this we're in the glory days of the watch now where everyone says the last all day and there's no problem [TS]

  but now you just let random developers do stuff. [TS]

  Especially if you have like apps installed by default is that the default on the thing like I think it is yeah. [TS]

  That's probably a bad default because he'll install some crappy game. On your i O. S. Device play it once. [TS]

  Not like it forget about it maybe you didn't delete it and not know that it put some watch good thing. [TS]

  I guess if you don't make the complication show it's not the bad [TS]

  but I mean I'm I'm kind of fearful of the things that native watch apps. And the complications can do. [TS]

  The people will be unaware. [TS]

  Like that they'll be able to connect up like I put the complication into the complications actually updating once every [TS]

  thirty seconds all day. Not only no good. [TS]

  The one thing I'm curious to hear about later in the week is how does it work for the different sized complications. [TS]

  You know the modular faces. [TS]

  That's one thing in a bright that has no analog anything on it and some of those complications are physically. [TS]

  You know they take a cut of the real estate like the main one in the center of the of the watch face. And yet. [TS]

  They also show it so they showed some of those and they also showed third party. [TS]

  Complications like there was a Volkswagen like how charged is your Volkswagen. [TS]

  And it was basically like a little circle kind of like the activity rings that went around the V.W. Logo. [TS]

  And that's one of those little teeny tiny complications that's kind of square shaped. [TS]

  I'm curious to see how that works you know what do you do you spend I presume I started classes yeah. [TS]

  Maybe but don't forget you also have thirty eight [TS]

  and forty two millimeter another good point I hadn't considered that yet and then you have things like your probably. [TS]

  I mean we have most of the A.B.I. At that you're probably given like an accent color. [TS]

  That you have to use the fight that this is their party complications are technically. [TS]

  Probably one of the think they can do because it is so incredibly constrained that yeah the number of things you could [TS]

  do there I don't think you have. You know like core graphics. [TS]

  You just draw whatever the hell you want there are maybe you're going to be making up a ping [TS]

  and passing it over maybe you have a simple time maybe gymnasts that you pass in a tree so I can match. Yeah. [TS]

  I did but anyway it's. [TS]

  It is huge bang for your buck because it is the thing that you see when you raise your wrist [TS]

  and a lots of things you can imagine it could be super useful even just something as simple as a sports car. [TS]

  Having a sports score as a complication on your watch is something that mechanical watches. [TS]

  Could never dream of you know this is the real differentiator like yeah. [TS]

  I can see what day of the week it is I can see the face of the moon I get the all thing I can see a live sportscar now [TS]

  or you know forget about physical watches just stomping in their faces and then this brings us to. [TS]

  What is a time machine time travel What are they called Not Time Machine time travel I said I have a missed opportunity [TS]

  they could have. All The Time Machine up. [TS]

  Time travel and for that allows you to do is as you're looking at your watch face you can spin the digital crown. [TS]

  And you can move forward or back in time to see what your complications. [TS]

  Either did or would reflect at that point in time. [TS]

  Which I think is absolutely fascinating and reminds me of the pebble time is that correct. [TS]

  Which which works in a vaguely similar way where the the idea behind that is everything you look out on like the main [TS]

  interface is kind of like a timeline. And this isn't exactly the same a very similar in. [TS]

  And I really dig the idea of like we were talking about whether a leader John had brought up whether as a complication. [TS]

  Being able to see well at five o'clock what's the weather going to be like in it at the very least you can get a [TS]

  numerals for the temperature or perhaps you can get like an icon that will tell you whether or not it will be overcast. [TS]

  So you know you can spin the crown kind of see how things are going and or you can see. [TS]

  They actually use an example in the second session. Well. [TS]

  How did this team that I this the soccer team that I loved how did they lose they lose the last second do they lose by [TS]

  not scoring in the last forty five minutes and you could scroll back on the digital crown and C.E.O. [TS]

  While they had lost in the last second I think was example so. [TS]

  I am absolutely fascinated by this I had written a blog post wild I'm not the only one I think Marco a done the same [TS]

  with a few people have been saying you know third party complications would be really awesome [TS]

  and I think it's tastefully done and that's the key if tastefully done. [TS]

  I can see how this would be absolutely awesome to have in just like John said earlier. [TS]

  You know when when all you're doing is flicking up your wrist to look at the face of your watch [TS]

  and you can instantly see some piece of information be at a sports score the weather or what have you. [TS]

  That is absolutely appealing to me [TS]

  and appealing enough that I would even consider going to the modular watch face which I freakin hate the body. [TS]

  But it's not that appealing to get that amount of information density would be fantastic [TS]

  and by the way very quick aside they're also supporting a picture. [TS]

  As a watch face which or not them or not yes actually excellent point [TS]

  or an album which I think is awesome because not only what I love to have like a picture of Aaron [TS]

  and Declan it's my watch face. [TS]

  But we actually have a shared photo stream that will post pictures of Declan for family and friends to see [TS]

  and having it so having my watch they cycle through those pictures sounds awesome. The only problem though. [TS]

  Which Marco pointed out to me is we're sitting in the keynote is. [TS]

  Well we don't see the complications on that right now [TS]

  and there may not be any companies are like there's not going to be I think of the complication is where do you put the [TS]

  time so it's legible in the picture and if you have the complications now. [TS]

  Like they have to you could pick a color that looks OK with in different sections of the picture a different color it's [TS]

  actually pretty hard problem with arbitrary pictures if you put a bunch of complications of this look all splotchy [TS]

  and I agree and they don't. [TS]

  They don't even have complications on the ones they control that are like that will you Jeff and the butterflies never. [TS]

  And I mean only there's only. There's what six or seven watch faces only three of them support complications. Yeah. [TS]

  And that's so on one hand like. [TS]

  You know it's interesting like you know they do a new watch face but doesn't support this. [TS]

  I think there's a lot that they could do to make the watch faces in the complications better. [TS]

  But third party complications that's a major step in the right direction that that's a huge jump that I was not [TS]

  expecting to have yet to watch faces next year and maybe. [TS]

  I don't know if you know I was delivered to their party watched. [TS]

  I think at the time will come at me it's like their party lock screens on the phone [TS]

  and I don't think that's ever this like once you have complicated third party complications like well I get the put [TS]

  stuff in little places why can't you even if the third party watch races only could choose complications that were of [TS]

  the preset sizes which would probably be the case it would still be. If you just rearranged modular to put stuff like. [TS]

  Not this year but you know anyway. A lot of things are Telegraph like I think the. [TS]

  The time travel feature was telegraphed by the fact that on my watch face. By the way I have an Apple Watch now. [TS]

  Case you're wondering. I'm on that in there. Yeah I my watch face. When I turn the. [TS]

  When I turn that is a crown nothing happened. Right. [TS]

  Yes I hear how how in the world could you have this watch the like it's major you why features like all of us did look [TS]

  around it's great and you just turn and nothing happened there. What do you expect to happen. [TS]

  I spect I guess the hands on the watch to turn. Obert on the soul or face that something does happen what happens. [TS]

  Basically time travel. [TS]

  Right I was no complications so that in that they could do that they are you can move the sun on the solar arrays of I [TS]

  got so. Time travel was. [TS]

  You know how Could Apple ship a watch return in a crown does nothing [TS]

  when you're on their watch writes Well they didn't just wasn't ready yet. [TS]

  It's time travel at school does exactly what you expected to do intuitively [TS]

  and that already did on the solar face so even though they're calling this watch out west to even though there was [TS]

  never a watch us one because I didn't have a name for those all lowercase watching whatever. [TS]

  This seems like watching what's one point we're all using now is like the beta. Yeah. Like a one point one. You know. [TS]

  Like I think we got to solve one point zero it's fine [TS]

  but yeah this is this feels like one point one if you know the first update. I mean. [TS]

  I always had a one point want to add up things like that like the G.P.S. Triangulation. [TS]

  Relation and then through to edit apps right. Yet two point zero was apps. [TS]

  But maybe that's why they've hit what they were thinking but it is kind of weird out [TS]

  when I was so soon that has seemingly very few user facing. [TS]

  And handsomest besides their parts of which is big but you know. There was super proud of themselves. [TS]

  Of like this is going six weeks after the launch of one thought you know. [TS]

  Things come out when you know whenever they're done so. And we're getting native applications on the watch now. [TS]

  It seems like they're intending to push. Developers to abandon watch kid as we know it today. [TS]

  And move towards native was that the impression that you guys got as well. [TS]

  Well the way they're doing it is interesting. So I was assuming. [TS]

  When we heard that they were going to be doing native as DK I was assuming all this time that like the watch kit. [TS]

  A.P.I. That we had now. [TS]

  Which does like you know the kind of like the remote control the interface on the on on the watch. [TS]

  I was assuming that was just a temporary thing that was basically a dead end. [TS]

  And as soon as we got native apps that we would be writing directly to like you I kid. [TS]

  And what we have instead is they're taking the watch. [TS]

  They're taking watch kit which Watch get extensions run on the i Phone today. Right right. [TS]

  But you're still writing watched it and you're still reading watch Kate code. [TS]

  You're still writing watched by and you still have many of the watch Kill him a taste ends but now they've added. [TS]

  You know a bunch of new things you can now call from watch it [TS]

  and because it is running on the Washington of on the phone it becomes more useful in a lot of ways [TS]

  and of course better in a lot of ways [TS]

  but those are faceless things right like you are LOTS of a few guys that you can get at to do things [TS]

  but not not not you I could not like oh I'm going to make this new layout and have this controller [TS]

  and push these things under no that's not there but if you want to use all sorts of you know. [TS]

  Networking stuff because now you can do. [TS]

  Why fighter I think in the watch or like audio or video processing and stuff like that you can do that [TS]

  but it seems like the viewport through which you see the customer sees you and your interactive still watch Kitty. [TS]

  Yeah. And it's and I haven't looked at the A.P.I. [TS]

  Yet to know for sure but it sure looks like you know if we're not we're not using my buttons here. [TS]

  We don't seem to have like total free form layout control I think we're still using the watch kit. Layout. [TS]

  Methods which are more limited than the new like it. And we are. [TS]

  We don't seem to have any kind of access things like animation of the elements which seems like a pretty big thing. [TS]

  When you get that when you write a full on native app. [TS]

  They mention that you you know I could swear maybe I now know my confidence [TS]

  but I guess that they are I get for they mention that you can do some animations on the watching native watch apps. [TS]

  All right so maybe. So I'll have a look at it to see. We're going to study and I bet they'll toss. Yeah probably. Will. [TS]

  Yeah those tickets John. So anyway. Yeah. So you know I think it is it is in some ways. [TS]

  You know simpler and more logical than I was predicting because I was I was thinking there I watch get started again. [TS]

  But it also you know and that's that's a plus and minus like. [TS]

  Because they basically just moved watching on to the watch and expanded it. [TS]

  We can use our existing knowledge we can use a lot of our existing code. [TS]

  And so is less of a jump and we don't have to throw. Everything we wrote. You know a few months ago. Necessarily. [TS]

  But also it is going to be more limited and. Unlike a lot of the frameworks are more limited like. [TS]

  I already know I can't do. [TS]

  My audio and I can't do smart speed on the watch I can't do it like there are there is audiotape layback. [TS]

  But you have to use their custom new player thing which is very limited. [TS]

  And I and you know that [TS]

  and there's going to be these limits all over all over the all over the US as as you look at it [TS]

  when you're talking about like peer entering the smart Speedo yet something I could do will see if I if that ends up [TS]

  being good enough to actually do because like you know I mean. [TS]

  Another big thing that they have some sessions on I have a lot of documentation at [TS]

  but you know there's there of course is the issue of communicating between the extension. [TS]

  You know between the the watch happen the i Phone app and data sharing and you know what happens [TS]

  when the phone goes away and what data do you have like it can read from the shared container which is nice [TS]

  but then you know. When it goes away to do all the operation just fail. [TS]

  Like it has actually done your split brain then you've got to reconcile the already things that are a little sync [TS]

  engine between two things. [TS]

  Exactly what you're serving your client so it sounds get sounds really hard so was I'll see what they have in store for [TS]

  this [TS]

  but I'm still not yet convinced that I should even do a native overcast African play things on its own off without the [TS]

  phone there. I I would not call that a guarantee that that. Well. [TS]

  Aren't worth doing and you're going to least do it just to get the better launch time response in this. [TS]

  You know I'm certain the play with that and see that that's for sure you know I'm most likely going to do that. [TS]

  No functionality and all the data comes from the same places but fewer spinners. Hopefully. [TS]

  So yeah I'm showing the try it. But. But I don't you know I do not already done David Smith And how done by now. [TS]

  Yeah he probably probably is that they probably did write it already. [TS]

  But overall it's great [TS]

  and you know besides overcast there's a lot of other apps that can benefit hugely from the so I'm looking for this [TS]

  again I you know I said before. I don't consider the watch like a huge app platform. [TS]

  I consider it a platform that everybody uses a relatively small number of apps. [TS]

  But that that is incredibly useful to them. And I think you'll stay that way just thing. [TS]

  Just the apps that you can use will just get better now. And more kinds of apps will be possible now than were before. [TS]

  But I still don't really see the watch as like. [TS]

  I'm going to leave my phone in my pocket while I'm sitting on the couch and just. [TS]

  Could be poking around in the wash for fifteen minutes like I don't think that's going to happen. No I agree. [TS]

  I heard someone else with the watch O.-S. [TS]

  Two I don't think there's anything that they were like from Syrian prove it [TS]

  but you know for the most part it's about the. You know it's all about the. [TS]

  The apps and I think that's enough personally. You know. [TS]

  Then we got to the second presentation which show thanks a lot two or three sponsors. [TS]

  Cards Against Humanity automatic and Squarespace and we will see you next week. Now the show is over. [TS]

  They didn't even mean to be good because it was accidental with the with that accidental. [TS]

  John didn't feel any way the mom goes Casey wouldn't let him. Because it was accidental. It was accidental. [TS]

  And she was going to find show nom de de de da. [TS]

  And if you aren't trying to say and he was no says so that's keep lists and the N.T. Markel Ahmed Omar free. [TS]

  Let's take the risk. She's been Yeah. So that Apple music presentation. Well it is the one thing developers care about. [TS]

  It's music. Honestly I. Let's just pretend that didn't happen. [TS]

  And let's just pretend that it ended right before the one more thing. [TS]

  Because it was a much better conference I don't mind. So much the music things what I mind. A lot. [TS]

  Is that they they devalue one more thing. By may get making the watch one more thing. Felt appropriate. Yep yep. [TS]

  If felt totally appropriate or whatever. This was not one more thing. And like that's fine they can. [TS]

  They can take ownership of that phrase and make it mean something else and sort of devalue it. [TS]

  That's Go for it whatever will get used to it after a few things that it's like oh remember one more thing was a big [TS]

  deal but now it's not anymore that's fine but it wasn't one more thing at one time safari for Windows. [TS]

  Steve Jobs could make one more thing anything you want jobs are one more thing was always like. [TS]

  He felt like you had to have something cool. And either. [TS]

  He had to fake it and pretend he was really enthusiastic about this are really wasn't his yeah I think about it [TS]

  but nobody else was but either way. [TS]

  It was his thing he could pull it all right once he's gone it becomes like all that was his thing. [TS]

  If you do it now you're invoking him. [TS]

  It's not appropriate to do they didn't do it for a long time to did it for the watch which is like the most significant [TS]

  announcement of Tim Cook's tenure as Apple C.E.O. Felt significant felt like the right time to do it. [TS]

  Now they're just going to watch it back to like every presentation we feel like we want to have this gag. [TS]

  You know at the end with the One more thing. I don't know. Anyway. [TS]

  But yeah they want followed was a really long kind of reading presentation that was not relevant to the developers. [TS]

  I think even when they do hardware. That's more relevant to developers developers buy hardware right. [TS]

  How in the world is music. [TS]

  Well I mean you can argue that oh well developing listening music that's great but to me this. [TS]

  That see everything they announce with music today seems like it's a lot more for the music publishers than it is for [TS]

  us like we get OK a snazzy new looking music app. [TS]

  Honestly I didn't find a music app that can Bollywood I wrote it was terrible music trying to pictures like this is a [TS]

  streaming service that is I think that to try to picture both like this is differentiated from the other streaming [TS]

  services that we involve humans in the process and that the same reasons you like beets [TS]

  and their playlists because we we have people with taste who are going to do stuff it's not just a bunch of algorithms [TS]

  which is funny coming from a company that made genius which is a bunch of algorithms. I didn't write it but that. [TS]

  Like that's their whole big pitches like this is a streaming service about with a difference and the difference. [TS]

  You know. [TS]

  In some respects they're pushing the publishers like oh one place where you can go to put all your stuff [TS]

  but that's kind of B.S. With you know like the publishers are going to put their music where the customers are. [TS]

  And they have to have their music on Spotify is it so popular [TS]

  and they have to have an apples because of I tune in that is going to spread around [TS]

  and I like the labels are going to like go I got to do this thing for connected and you got to put pictures here [TS]

  but you also have their You Tube channel years ago have a Facebook page where you also like. This is not clarifier. [TS]

  Simplify anything from there. From their perspective so I think it was mostly just like. [TS]

  Hey me too we have one of these [TS]

  and customers you'll like it because we hired a bunch of people who you respect who are going to use their musical [TS]

  taste. [TS]

  To give you something and they leaned on the no ADD thing like that [TS]

  and get down to the nitty gritty details explain like. [TS]

  How do the things that planter arrestor radio get chosen for to be interested radio [TS]

  and it has almost nothing to do with what some person likes. [TS]

  Everything to do with what record companies want to promote. And you know. [TS]

  The format of the station yet to play one of these and one of those in five of these and we get paid to play these [TS]

  and where they are really emphasizing on this one. [TS]

  This is the music that a bunch of people we hired think is good music. [TS]

  Which is which is very different from terrestrial radio. But. And you know Spotify. [TS]

  Different spot of a spot of eyes not real like a radio station. [TS]

  I don't know like they're trying to say we are better than the other way that you listen to music in these ways that [TS]

  are important to us [TS]

  but I was just too busy being annoyed by the fact that this is supposed to be a developer conference [TS]

  and maybe I shouldn't be maybe it's silly. You know whatever. [TS]

  That I should care about this maybe it's just because it was like a flabby presentation it was long and boring [TS]

  and rambling say that's what I was going to say is that I can get over the fact that they're using one of the couple of [TS]

  times that they're in front of the world during the year. [TS]

  To announce something that's somewhat irrelevant to developers. [TS]

  However I just thought that entire forty minutes or whatever it was was just hugely boring and. I was just it. [TS]

  I wasn't impressed by it at all [TS]

  and I think part of the reason I wasn't impressed by it is everything else in the in the keynote [TS]

  and even in the regular presentations at the public doesn't get to see throughout W T C. [TS]

  They're all so well rehearsed they're so well orchestrated they're all so solid and. [TS]

  This was just like a train wreck to me by comparison and. And I don't I just I didn't. [TS]

  I didn't care for I've I wasn't really sold on Applebee's I remain. [TS]

  Not really sold on Apple music what is it that you guys are doing better than anyone else [TS]

  and you only think I got was a curation. [TS]

  But I don't really care be fair like that is what a lot of people like about beats [TS]

  and this is kind of you know usually beats between the two point zero [TS]

  or whatever that like you know like our friends [TS]

  and connected will probably talk about this better than we can because they actually use these things. [TS]

  But you know people. People do like the human curation aspect. I'm interested in that aspect. [TS]

  I wasn't really sure though from what we saw today like. [TS]

  It didn't sell me on it [TS]

  and that's why John was I well tired Zonegran after a long morning mixed in with although the south that we're talking [TS]

  about. If I had to pull out the point that the points that are important to me. [TS]

  As someone who doesn't use the streaming services is music being taken away for music being being rationalize for [TS]

  families. [TS]

  And that you pay once for an entire family [TS]

  and they all get access to the music being rationalized into a single app called music. [TS]

  And the fact of the app is available and right which clearly expresses Apple's intent to compete with Spotify [TS]

  and stuff. Not to make this is the way the people who own Apple devices listen to music but to try to be. [TS]

  Like i Tunes was before it. This is the way people buy music not just mac users buy music. [TS]

  You know in the old days when before I was not just mac users not so I thought I was users is i Tunes for Windows. [TS]

  Everybody should buy music your i Tunes and that sort of the i Tunes error of buying songs for ninety nine cents. [TS]

  Seems to be. Be Moving on him around the new streaming age and it's important for Apple to stake its claim. [TS]

  No it's not. Not by making a Windows version of Apple music but making an Android version we're in the mobile are. [TS]

  And so you know. Those two things one. Taking a. I Tunes music out of the ghetto I don't know if it's like. [TS]

  Is this replacing i Tunes Match does it also put your stuff in the cloud [TS]

  or is this entirely separately the way this is priced the way we expect things to be pricing structure Day weekend I'm [TS]

  going to be structured and to saying this is not just an apple thing. This is a everything thing. [TS]

  They are trying I don't know if it's going to work but they are trying to relive their former glory. [TS]

  And one time i Tunes define digital music. Now it no longer does they're trying to get that back with Apple music. [TS]

  Pretty much think that perfectly encapsulates everything I had to say about Apple music. [TS]

  So you have to talk about two important things during this after show number one what watch did you get John. [TS]

  I got the same one as Marco. [TS]

  I remember me hemming [TS]

  and hawing like oh I don't know if know we're going to use this thing I don't like wearing watches my main problem is I [TS]

  just not like how the sport one looks. And the other one is just so darn expensive. And the end is a look. I like. [TS]

  But I like them are expensive and I got the expense of I got the stainless steel one for two reasons one. [TS]

  I like how it looks way better than the other one and two. [TS]

  I wanted the sapphire scratch resistance because I'm not going to be doing sport things with it so impact resistance a. [TS]

  But I've already scraped against things on. And then realized oh it's probably OK. [TS]

  Because you know you look up the hardness scale the thing I scraped it again The Also no scratches so far. [TS]

  I got a black classic buckle band because it just looks like a regular watch band. [TS]

  I'm not used to wearing watches the first day I wore it to me like crazy because it was [TS]

  when going arm hairs around this week. [TS]

  This is my first week with the watch it arrived just before I came to the be obviously I'm going to wear it this whole [TS]

  week I'm just going to do it I'm going to wear it all day. [TS]

  I'm already getting used to it it's a little bit heavy sometimes it catches on things but it's kind of neat [TS]

  and looks cool. So so far to refuse to review. So far it's approved. [TS]

  The big test is after W D C week after I leave the place where thousands of other people also have Opera watches. [TS]

  Do I keep wearing it to put it on when I go to work [TS]

  and am I going to get into the Marco green ring cycle I don't know I'm not really have any weight to lose. [TS]

  It's not even that like. It's very true. [TS]

  I think I already have a significant amount of antibodies for these game of occasion of things that I've you know. [TS]

  I'm pretty immune to being guilt that into doing things by by my watch but I'm going to I'm going to give it a try. [TS]

  You know. Cases tapping me now. [TS]

  I got we all got happy [TS]

  and up during the recording thought yes none of us that up know I thought about I really thought it was I know the [TS]

  and up the gag and the keynote which was a little surprised. I thought there would be. Yeah. [TS]

  It was perfect opportunity even if they just want to pretend it was an ad lib [TS]

  and not time the entire Kuno around they didn't do it all. And there were two opportunities. [TS]

  Yeah there you were all three was a to stand keynote. That's the new measure. [TS]

  The other thing we need to discuss that's really really important is how in the name of all that is holy. [TS]

  Do you have a trifold wallet what is wrong with I've always had a trifle was just in the wallet and it is pretty big. [TS]

  Well here's the thing about it. [TS]

  It's not a good fans of August I would never put it in my back pocket what it is sitting down that's crazy. [TS]

  I think they should have out so to it's fixed because it does have a lot of money and and a lot of cards. [TS]

  Like I would like to get rid of a lot of these cards. And also have some stupid business cards. [TS]

  Floating in there and we get a side view of this. [TS]

  Not as thick as you would think that will hold it up close to your pictures I mean if I take all the money out of the [TS]

  bedroom money now then she did too much money how many i Phone stick is it yet. [TS]

  Seriously that's measured let's measure this is what I want looks like most of the time with no money. [TS]

  OK you're Bakley no money and I would say it's roughly four i Phone stick. [TS]

  I think that's fair for like three with cases. Yeah. And four with cases. [TS]

  It's tapered to it's been around the AS like it's like the air. [TS]

  Yeah I'm in the middle of the make it part which is the why this part is well you know the bulk of it's the bulk of its [TS]

  with. It is at least three or four I. [TS]

  Don't think I like trifold better than than bifold legacy would call them I just I just like the way of a trying to [TS]

  fold. It goes together. [TS]

  But this is thicker than I would like I would like to get rid of a lot of these cards via fakes at the Apple pay VERY [TS]

  get rid of more of them. So the problem you're carrying around like eight layers of leather there when it's full of up. [TS]

  Yeah. I know. Yeah. The whole trifold thing. [TS]

  Like it's appealing for second because you can fold it on top of itself [TS]

  and it seems to take up a lot less space than than a single folder bifold I guess wallet. [TS]

  But it is insane every trifold wallet I've ever seen or had in one in my completely. [TS]

  Dress but Barrick days of my youth. [TS]

  They were all like three feet thick and one is three feet this well maybe older than you Katie. Well. Very old all. [TS]

  Well it's time for you know I hate because you can't keep it in your pocket so it isn't where it was doesn't matter at [TS]

  all it's likely wearing a little bit finally I think I don't know the reasons like. [TS]

  So what kind of all to I have John you know. I have no idea. Because you've never seen it. Because the my pocket. [TS]

  You don't have to take out my pocket when I sit down. A man brought a reason Rose with me because by hotel. [TS]

  He carved thing is in it that's why I had it with me at all like I bring this with me to and from work every day [TS]

  but it's not my pockets ever. It's in my back. [TS]

  So you're one of those lunatics that every time you sit down it's like strip everything you know I put my backpack my [TS]

  waters in my backpack I don't put it in my pocket. That's that's where my wallet is weird. [TS]

  That's very old timer and I mean every seat was in my backpack that's insane to me because [TS]

  when I do you lose your backpack you lose your well it sounds like a bag as it were to go [TS]

  and I you know you set it down when you're in the sessions. [TS]

  And then you know going to get on the darn plane to go home to your family because you want your whole life my backpack [TS]

  anyway. [TS]

  You know I have more problems finding a place to my phone because my phone I can't really keep it in my front pocket [TS]

  when I sit down to have trouble getting it out because I am big it does if you think I'm afraid I'm going to bend it. [TS]

  Maybe it's already been done any want to look out a lot. [TS]

  You're seriously turning away with revulsion at the thought of it. I don't. [TS]

  I don't know the bend [TS]

  but now I can't look away it's better not exist throw it to me else that on the table here will see an opera not going [TS]

  to know. Dead pixels are so in summary. I actually I've switched from a single fold wallet to this. [TS]

  What is it for the U.B. Why U.B.I. [TS]

  Wallet it was a Kickstarter [TS]

  and to be honest it's the year to hold my company to get a new one because some of the last tickets falling down. [TS]

  But this is thicker dot Marco that's ridiculously thin. What do you have in there. Three credit cards driver's license. [TS]

  A metro card for the New York City subway which are they ever use and six bills fold [TS]

  and half of the zero business cards in there though. [TS]

  That's true how will you know the phone number of the person who cuts your hair. What. [TS]

  I've never called the particular Harry I do a business card of the right thing the information phone I got you know it [TS]

  or anything I always do the business card I got a business card for a restaurant. No longer open. [TS]

  Let me tell you that business card right now and throwing it away. [TS]

  Give it to me right now take it out [TS]

  when this is a good place on the throne me the business card I tried to divert her on the floor. That's amazing. [TS]

  So that's what you're keeping in there [TS]

  and I don't see heartbeats like that the use of the problem people who receipts I have a bunch of business cards of [TS]

  things I have my hair cutting place. I have my insurance agent. [TS]

  I have a one you have your insurance they might like the wall equivalent of speed. My barking. [TS]

  Parking ticket for the airport. You know I had the Chestnut Hill Apple store. Thing in here. It's a home like God. [TS]

  And my AAA Carney. Why I had credit cards. What my driver's license. My house my health insurance card. [TS]

  Oh God this is ridiculous. Anyway. Yeah. It could be thinner the real problem is like you know. [TS]

  The amount of money that I have an ear is is making it thick. [TS]

  And so it is sensitive to that I'll join us like problems. Humble brag puddle. At their small bills. [TS]