The Accidental Tech Podcast

124: The Tyranny of Radio


  alright so I guess do you wanna get started on the actual show we do a show [TS]

  you know how we do this is a song about Alice but not always that Alice's [TS]

  Restaurant wow with debris seriously quoting Guthrie Arlo Guthrie's alright [TS]

  we all did music podcast in like the last week that way and we could do you [TS]

  want to join ya know Evansville IN it so let's do some follow-up John wanted to [TS]

  tell us about LOV mir [TS]

  last week so long ago whatever it was we talked about the and I are which also [TS]

  known as a bit code and sort of binary representation and whether or not that [TS]

  helps Apple to be able to move any of their platforms to different CPU [TS]

  architectures in the future we basically decided that it doesn't help or hurt [TS]

  that it is orthogonal concerned mostly having to do with taking advantage of [TS]

  new instructions a new processor is being able to remove instructions from [TS]

  processors when there are no longer needed all without asking developers to [TS]

  re-upload new binary versions of their applications and recompiling [TS]

  architectures and stuff [TS]

  so a bunch of people said we could link someone sent me I forgot what is was [TS]

  unfortunately a 2011 think its use that post on our mailing list post from Dan [TS]

  Goldman at Apple presumably works on the LVM team where did at least in 2011 up [TS]

  with the link in the shona people can read it he outlines the reasons why he [TS]

  thinks LT mir is a poor system for building a platform by which he means [TS]

  any system where LV mir will be a format in which programs are stored or [TS]

  transmitted for subsequent use on multiple underlying architecture is what [TS]

  exactly the question here after asking before I get this 2011 things may have [TS]

  changed but in general he says like if you're gonna make if you're going to [TS]

  make some kind of multi CPU architecture intermediary for melody mir would not be [TS]

  it he was the reasons someone named Jacob still clinton also got that right [TS]

  send us an email with more good information about what is platform [TS]

  specifically embed code what is it that makes bit code not portable says one of [TS]

  the biggest sources of bitter differences the target baby i mean [TS]

  application binary interface interface claim generates actions that are able to [TS]

  call C functions compiled by other compilers by following the ABI on that [TS]

  platform especially when ABI is like so that everything going to be compiled by [TS]

  the same compiler you could compile 12 pilar have a compiled library whatever I [TS]

  can call you you can call back into me like we all know how we're going to call [TS]

  each other such as the FBI defines how function arguments overturned guys are [TS]

  laid out in memory registers like you know you put your address here and in [TS]

  return I was gonna be this register that's the ABI ever has to agree on that [TS]

  are you can't call another code and one of the requirements for a bit code and [TS]

  for any of Apple's Kampala stuff is that you have to be able to compile code and [TS]

  has to be able to call functions they were compiled with another compiler even [TS]

  if it's just an earlier version of the same compiler otherwise every time a new [TS]

  OS came out it was compiled into compiler everyone to recompile the [TS]

  rhapsody ABI changed it doesn't and so this is sort of hard and fast [TS]

  requirement what Apple does [TS]

  with its compose a day goes on in general decline friend is using a [TS]

  combination of LLVM types an argument flags to get the code generator generate [TS]

  the correct in calling sequence and knows how the code generator for [TS]

  selected target architecture behaves as you can even get different but coping [TS]

  using different abyei's of the same instruction set architectures even on a [TS]

  single chip you can have multiple EBI is defined and you get different bit code [TS]

  if you target different abs and you're saying you'll be possible to create [TS]

  Alabama article compiled a mobile CPU architectures only by giving up on the [TS]

  ability to call made of functions compiled with other compilers you could [TS]

  define a virtual Abijah specifies the layouts this drug class and how they [TS]

  function calls are mapped out the mir [TS]

  this is essentially what Google's P NaCl the portable native client project does [TS]

  it work since the code only has two runs out of crime sandboxing calling [TS]

  functions provided by Carl so lots of theoretical possibilities but in the [TS]

  practical real-world the what Apple uses composites for our gate code and healthy [TS]

  mir are not the answer to portability across platforms ok then [TS]

  and once tell us about what Chris Lattner has been saying lately this is [TS]

  Kai Xin who says Chris Lattner worth asking questions or paraphrases was [TS]

  asked a question I assuming this is WNBC didn't say any plans to write swift and [TS]

  swift we talked about self hosting last week hosting turns out to be the right [TS]

  definition I just failed to read the Wikipedia page correctly anyway and what [TS]

  he said was he said was his goal is to make the best language writing [TS]

  consumer-facing so far not compilers and he mentioned that he started writing a [TS]

  compiler and you have to have to be great would end up being rude language [TS]

  for writing low-level code but inadequate shredding iOS and Mac apps [TS]

  but just the kind of like the politically correct answer for self [TS]

  hosting I said I thought would be needed to have a shame that the people who are [TS]

  actually writing so after spending the whole day writing C++ when they love to [TS]

  use new language they invented to do their work as well [TS]

  and I got a lot of replies like this it's like no I asked Chris letter that [TS]

  he says we did that then just you know swifter be a really good language [TS]

  writing compilers and that's not what they're making them making trying to [TS]

  make a really good language writing I was mad cows which technically according [TS]

  to a swiss mission statement in the Apple book published on the topic of [TS]

  trying to make a long as it spans the range compilers would be in that range I [TS]

  think would prove the language but can do that type of task but anyway [TS]

  luckily we live in the age of Twitter and the New Age of the open Apple not [TS]

  the one from Apple to keyboard nice Chris Lattner replied on Twitter to [TS]

  thread involved in the ass and he said we'll put links to his to eat too many [TS]

  of us would love to rewrite this was compiling its wished they would crash a [TS]

  lot less and be a lot more joyful for us that said we have a ton of higher [TS]

  priority [TS]

  higher priorities that affect used to suppress or compile hackers will just [TS]

  have to suffer for now so accomplished children had no shoes or whatever that [TS]

  expression is so contrary to many tales of Chris Lattner saying I'm sure you did [TS]

  say this but you know if we wrote our compiler in swift if that's what we were [TS]

  using sort of dog food our language we would end up making a language is really [TS]

  good at writing a pilot which is true if they get exclusionary thing else but in [TS]

  the grand scheme of things [TS]

  Chris laterally says that many of us would love to write the compliance with [TS]

  like what they look like they're making this new language of course they like [TS]

  the language courses like to use it and they work but is not really a high [TS]

  priority to main priority of course is making it a great language right iOS and [TS]

  Mac apps because that's the most important part of so there you have it [TS]

  is i think is a great example of like directing accurate quotes from people [TS]

  can be misleading if the only thing you ever hear is that and which is why I [TS]

  think Chris felt the need to say even though I said that it's true that's not [TS]

  the entire story like there are many dimensions to all these decisions now I [TS]

  go Chris Lattner hates with them whenever one already compiler it or the [TS]

  reverse Chris later love directing swept me know that people like everyone is [TS]

  always looking for the sensational headline top story especially if [TS]

  someone's think it's repeated around and around and everyone at Apple like that [TS]

  the people who would the source's information were silent any one of these [TS]

  things could invite spiraled into like three years now becomes accepted wisdom [TS]

  that Chris lider never write one to read the compiler and sweat just BS and I [TS]

  just love the fact [TS]

  in the age of Twitter he could say you know what tweet tweet done I have now [TS]

  sort of like adjusted the record to more accurately represent the complex nuanced [TS]

  position that I have and even do that in two tweets right [TS]

  combined with all the things he said to people WBC is yet another example of a [TS]

  whole new Apple PR world which is exciting final follow-up [TS]

  wanted to tell us about TRIM support I think we also talked about trim force [TS]

  the the command that will let you enable trimming your eyes as these even though [TS]

  Apple doesn't want to and at that big scary warning you can enable of [TS]

  interviews they don't blame us so 1010 for is out now it has this thing in it I [TS]

  believe upgraded at work and at home yet I didn't look with a commanding I'm [TS]

  assuming it's there and last year I said you know like I'm not going to use it [TS]

  until I have problems and I had said something like I know probably will have [TS]

  the same as me and have terminated everything is fine but I don't want to [TS]

  be the guinea pig and I'm not going to rest until a problems and a bunch of [TS]

  people send me links to a couple of stories that describes some of some of [TS]

  the hard hard drives whatever the hell you called some of the solid state [TS]

  drives the do have problems of the term commander you enable trimming them they [TS]

  accidentally erases the wrong blocks of data and just destroy your data for you [TS]

  and on that list of Dr that may or may not have this problem according to [TS]

  various people stories is my drive a lovely you know and so I'm very glad [TS]

  that I didn't enable trim and now I'm probably not going to trim I you know I [TS]

  don't know the technical details of the thing like me to the dependent firmware [TS]

  version is it just for cued trim requests are for all of them or [TS]

  something doesn't matter that drive reports that support skewed [TS]

  commands but it really doesn't think you know and most stories involve Linux [TS]

  mottoes tense I don't know what to think but safe bet don't mess with trim for us [TS]

  and as you're feeling adventurous and don't mind losing any data unless you [TS]

  have some amount of information that you're sure that like other people are [TS]

  doing this it's safe it's been taught her tested so I'm gonna leave my drive [TS]

  the way it is for now and for the record don't you have a very popular and well [TS]

  regarded Samsung SSD dads like super expensive at the terabyte it there [TS]

  their latest greatest test model and you know a 50 per 0 ya 850 pro that's a [TS]

  that's a very common popular well-regarded SSD [TS]

  that's a little scary that's on that list well I mean like it's it's scary [TS]

  but like the OS is doing the right thing like it's blacklisted in Linux I'm [TS]

  assuming windows as the right thing almost 10 does the right thing with it [TS]

  the right thing in this case turned out to be like Appleton tested and verified [TS]

  that it behaves correctly so no trim for you right and it's bad because we know [TS]

  that eventually things going to fill up and slow down and everything but it's [TS]

  better than losing data so I don't know this thread that you can follow put a [TS]

  link to a comment thread in our technical has link that you can chase [TS]

  down to like you know Samsung bug reporting website where Linux users are [TS]

  complaining about it and Samsung's like this isn't a problem Linux open-source [TS]

  fix it yourself or whatever [TS]

  basically an obscene like it's not a supported platforms would end up saying [TS]

  they did mention open source in that you like when you say things are so when it [TS]

  comes down to a Samsung doesn't care that doesn't work but I was like that's [TS]

  that's an apples court Apple can validate this or not Apple can file bugs [TS]

  or anything like that again and able to withstand a reproduction of a problem [TS]

  say hey you drive with this form from where does this thing wrong I don't know [TS]

  anyway I'm happy with missus the it still really fast it's so nice and quiet [TS]

  still got a terabyte of storage as far as I'm aware has not corrupted my daddy [TS]

  yet so so far so good [TS]

  please correct me if I'm wrong on this wasn't the whole point of the more [TS]

  advanced SSD controller starting with the SandForce think forever ago I was no [TS]

  point that 22 can only use different tricks like different leveling [TS]

  techniques and everything to keep dry performance pretty good even without [TS]

  TRIM support all those things are true that are trying to make promises better [TS]

  but doing tricks but you need to have trimmed because when you talk to him [TS]

  when the when the operating system deletes a file it doesn't go and [TS]

  overwrite every block with zeros or doesn't tell the SSD that all those [TS]

  blocks are gone it up just updates like a single a single piece of information [TS]

  filesystem edited structures says you know what this area that was previously [TS]

  taken is now free to update the bitmap thing indigenous plus or some other [TS]

  meditate and so on and the only thing to get written to the disk as far as the [TS]

  disc mechanism is concerned it sees right to this area of the desk and that [TS]

  area discuss the metadata areas not actually touching the data the pilot [TS]

  just as I received a right to this minute area the disc has no idea what [TS]

  that right is just as that's right to address 123 and has no idea what [TS]

  senators 123 has no idea that address 123 is the thing that tells you that did [TS]

  these blocks were allocated blocks are doesn't understand the file system is [TS]

  just a big block addressable storage device the SSD mechanism has no way to [TS]

  know oh by the file system running a piece of information what that means is [TS]

  all these blocks of blonde with one gig file are now technically free I should [TS]

  feel free to reuse them for any other rights to get said to me it doesn't know [TS]

  that is like its season right come in at this where can I put the state of [TS]

  working but it doesn't think he can put it where that one good crowd was because [TS]

  the only right that got sent was the hey right to address 123 with these numbers [TS]

  it doesn't do those numbers mean that one gig of space is now in free bets [TS]

  with a tremendous for to send to say by the way the filesystem diverting some [TS]

  would say right to this area the distant to note that is files gone now and also [TS]

  send the disk controller command to free up to to mark all of these blocks of [TS]

  data as you can use those again if I was going to write comes in so there is no [TS]

  there's literally no way did the Dr connotes a different layer of the [TS]

  storage harkin the drive to know that so inevitably without trim no matter what [TS]

  you do everything will fill up with you mean everything alright also involves [TS]

  clearing out some area for us our first bunch of this week is cards against [TS]

  humanity and they asked us not to respond sorry instead sent John under [TS]

  the toaster to review [TS]

  countertop I hope their staff John what are the toast of this week this week's [TS]

  toasters another one from Black and Decker Model T 01322 SBD this thing is a [TS]

  to now be fairly small toaster at 239 Black and Decker early on and it was [TS]

  kind of like middle of the road this to knob thing does most of the bad things [TS]

  that have been discussed previously in a store of things that are wrong with us [TS]

  so so you like [TS]

  got two knobs one of which is a time or not but you have to repeatedly turned to [TS]

  a precise angle for assistant toasting that's a common flaw the other knob also [TS]

  has to be in the right mode so if you have to have to make sure two knobs are [TS]

  just do the right thing to make it happen to us because we just heard the [TS]

  bottom 10 I forgot to top it was on bacon I'm slowly making bread warm [TS]

  instead of testing it got a single heating element on the top and the [TS]

  bottom right in the middle [TS]

  they are shielded at least so that's good but the single heading home on top [TS]

  and bottom or just not adequate for a total of this size leading to a [TS]

  ridiculous five minute plus terrorist time I thought it was broken I try to [TS]

  multiple times maybe the bread was a little bit cold maybe was thinking like [TS]

  crazy long toasts I was just one helmet on top one element that is not enough [TS]

  for a toaster besides not a big toes there but whatever is not getting the [TS]

  job done really really thin wire rack like I guess you like it crumpled it up [TS]

  in my hand that should have been you know like the bread is gonna fall [TS]

  through the rack but it's sort of like the intangibles but it's not tangible [TS]

  like the things that signal quality and durability that really thin rack is not [TS]

  get the door doesn't really open all way to 90 degrees like it opens almost 90 [TS]

  degrees and at the bottom at the limit of its travel it's like spring in [TS]

  vendita like it was going to break off is just not a nice feeling door at the [TS]

  crumb tray that underneath like a little metal chrome to rate you have to tilt [TS]

  the crumb tray to get it out on the floor we see no the toasters are just [TS]

  terrible because if you're not careful you tilt it and just feel that comes out [TS]

  on the way back into the toaster and now to get them out the whole point of the [TS]

  country doesn't take the country out with the crumbs on and on them so you [TS]

  don't have to take a whole host over the garbage or sinker shaken together [TS]

  I mean it's not as bad as that hybrid toaster which was just terrible like you [TS]

  bought this would be ok we get the job done [TS]

  the three now Black and Decker is way better and look at the price is the [TS]

  price of 38 bucks on Amazon right now it seems that another the 313 number was [TS]

  better this one in all possible ways this is not a great post there its like [TS]

  I was in a department store recently looking at the toaster oven section of [TS]

  course you are a lot of the ones that were in there I had actually reviewed so [TS]

  that was interesting but i just looking at them again to sell it to survey the [TS]

  field of all these things are saying like every time I just getting crappy [TS]

  toasters still none of them have been as good as my super expensive so sorry my [TS]

  super expensive have complained about so I saw the fancier version of my super [TS]

  expensive toes there in the store it is crappy jobs to their better than mine [TS]

  out a little bit but still pretty crappy lots of just terrible not very expensive [TS]

  so when we had handled the beach when it actually had good even though they [TS]

  didn't like they felt good to turn even though you can tell where that they were [TS]

  pointing like I was blow it [TS]

  indicator there was but it's really hard to see there was blood in some way like [TS]

  an awesome band doors like if I would if I could talk to people who are designing [TS]

  posters I understand you have to make it cheaply [TS]

  you know you have to have your Martin I'm not saying every toasters be $200 [TS]

  right I think you can make a decent 40 or $50 toasters you just concentrate on [TS]

  the right things make make the controls reasonable doesn't cost any more money [TS]

  to have a good control you don't fancy LCD screen where he's going to have a [TS]

  bunch of knobs just don't make the mistakes of like having to turn a little [TS]

  taking things to the right angle every time I'm by the way to the store also [TS]

  takes the quieter take but it does take like having buttons like I think you can [TS]

  do a reasonable set of controls that combines the best of knobs and buttons [TS]

  have a door that feels good to open and close have a wire rack that feels like [TS]

  it's 30 does that really cost that much more like it the box by the door in [TS]

  Sanaa been a tray [TS]

  trade on those things make an ice storm makes a nice knives make an ice tray I [TS]

  don't think that asking for everything I do and I feel like it was a mission to [TS]

  get some kids toys which also have to be cheap but they also have to be durable [TS]

  the toys unlike the doors and stuff like the little fisher-price toys and [TS]

  everything feels so much better than old so I continue to be disappointed with [TS]

  that toaster oven this one is not as bad as the hybrid 0 service in new low bar [TS]

  but it seems like the late there's only basically two prices the toaster ovens [TS]

  are there either [TS]

  $40 or $200 and it seems like among the $40 ones that you've reviewed that they [TS]

  almost all you can get good elements in Alton like you can if you take the best [TS]

  parts of each one and put them all together you could make a good toaster [TS]

  so it seemed to get his ok toaster like asking for is not amazing but it's [TS]

  there's nothing in comparison it doesn't feel like it's going to fall apart [TS]

  did you know it does the job consistently in a reasonable manner [TS]

  now this toaster I see on the front here at advertising that it has even toast [TS]

  technology were you able to test the even toast technology and doesn't [TS]

  senator that claimed it was reasonably even but if five minutes if you know [TS]

  it's probably pretty easy to do even those things to do it's super slow when [TS]

  you have a really hot element that's when you get hot spots if you take five [TS]

  minutes sure yet my son even across the bread and you know being right in the [TS]

  middle of each thing probably helps you have four elements against your bottom [TS]

  into on top and you just have the two pieces of toast like it if you don't [TS]

  sort of center them over the elements are small enough and is only one element [TS]

  and in the middle that if you just take toasted their don't think about your [TS]

  probably gonna stick it somewhere around the middle back different was it will [TS]

  come out even so it was fun like it you know if you wanna wait five minutes here [TS]

  does that will get the job done and finally did these staff at the store [TS]

  recognize you know this is the coles is not yet but I mean how many professional [TS]

  travel reviewers are there in the world maybe like three I don't know [TS]

  no one came to help me at all which is buckles is like a child in need any help [TS]

  just mentioned you mentioned the to price ranges like 4200 [TS]

  the other thing that kills me is the $200 ones don't feel like $200 plans [TS]

  again if you made to make a metal box with the door knobs and you give me $200 [TS]

  to do it I would make damn sure those door the doors are better like the doors [TS]

  have little rubber stops in the open and closed the door my actual total which [TS]

  still Springs closing tries to bring you but I guess I just my particular model [TS]

  Medical Unit and not all this model because everyone else asked about the [TS]

  total is a no my door stays up in time but anyway the doors are better for the [TS]

  knobs they're just a maybe it's just that the Breville 100 make such a [TS]

  terrible nah but feels like a snap together plastic model from the eighties [TS]

  the nada just barely hanging on that it is terrible to turn their wobbly like [TS]

  I'm the fancy one they made them like fate chrome like shiny you know again [TS]

  like it like a snap together model like when you have the you know chrome [TS]

  finished wheels on your car like their shiny plastic for $250 months and had to [TS]

  give me a metal knob beginning in the middle east feels good turned in my hand [TS]

  well this is this is like a fight here is like this applies to so many [TS]

  different categories of things we're like you know well thanks let the crimes [TS]

  against humanity for sponsoring our show once again so yeah so what time that I [TS]

  love it yet [TS]

  disappointed so many things like you know you have you have like used to have [TS]

  like you know cheap good and then commercial / pro in so many things [TS]

  electronics appliances stuff like that and now you still have cheap good and [TS]

  commercial / pro price points on things but it seems like the middle tier there [TS]

  like the the prosumer kind of level that in so many things is now just like the [TS]

  same cheap garbage that the cheap one is made out of doesn't last any longer [TS]

  isn't of much higher quality just has like more bells and whistles on it but [TS]

  it's still a cheap quality thing that you're just paying $200 for anything [TS]

  toaster ovens in particular from the original hypocritical upset about this [TS]

  was totally worth in more diverse because like there are so many more [TS]

  toasters in all different shapes and sizes but all the more crappy here and I [TS]

  don't think that's true across the board of a great examples like many Japanese [TS]

  car hundred Toyota cars the knobs and stuff those feel great compared to [TS]

  toaster not like they're not as nice as obviously BMW or Lexus and Mercedes [TS]

  controls but they're really really good they put every toasters shaming you get [TS]

  that in a Honda Fit for Life $15,000 the cheapest car you can get like they still [TS]

  have nice to turn stocks night like in the grand scheme nothing like just this [TS]

  pieces of crap that Iran $200 toasters I feel like it is possible at the price [TS]

  point they wanna hit if they cared about it because you don't have to do all the [TS]

  bells and whistles you don't have to do the actual expensive things and having [TS]

  more key element having a little computer and having LCD screen and crap [TS]

  like that like we understand you have to hit a price point [TS]

  pare it down to just heating elements simple you know mechanical analog [TS]

  controls for them a box in a door and just concentrate on the few elements [TS]

  that you touch make the nice met with the cheap car companies do that discards [TS]

  don't happen to feature the Honda Fit does not have a camera that shows you [TS]

  around your car of a composite of a bunch of cameras the corners you Garcia [TS]

  park that scraping you're actually feature here we also know it is it's [TS]

  great but like the money for that they have the money for a bunch of plastic on [TS]

  the dashboard plastic wheel and and they they find a way to make parts that are [TS]

  cheap [TS]

  that are simple to assemble and that feel not like he's okay so what our [TS]

  first topic this week we have we have followed from the chat rooms by mukasey [TS]

  put in there I have no idea what you're talking about [TS]

  Jeremy says real-time follow-up from our secret anonymous tipster hangs on the [TS]

  chat room every week or as stars were able to tell same guy says Apple Samsung [TS]

  808 xxx mean the 848 whatever series firmware is not the same as retail [TS]

  drives we fix the bugs I don't know what that means but I bought mine you know [TS]

  for Amazon or whatever it's not apples apple ship devices with Samsung 800 [TS]

  series will they have it they have like Samsung manufactured sticks in a in [TS]

  their various like like the Mac Pro i think thats a tan at the Samsung SSD [TS]

  stick and stuff like that but it's not it's not like packaged in a 2.5 inch [TS]

  drive enclosure with us but this early tape on the back like it's it's just [TS]

  like it in a little sticks they put on their computer so that counts is like [TS]

  the 800 series even though obviously looks nothing like the things you buy [TS]

  from retail [TS]

  like the Edit if you're saying now that those are just variants of normal [TS]

  Samsung SSD so yeah I'm sure like you know the Samsung giant serial number you [TS]

  know mSATA stick thing is saying every brand 840 pro as well that doesn't help [TS]

  me or anyone else who bought you know commercial third-party buy directly from [TS]

  you know Samsung branded thing that looks like you know little two and a [TS]

  half inch drive but I can't abandon ship since I but anyway yeah Apple tends to [TS]

  do that doesn't mean that you know Apple qualifies day drives to work with trim [TS]

  or not and you know they test them and make sure they work so if you're buying [TS]

  their party stuff Apple's the fault is no we won't be able to him for you [TS]

  because we haven't tested you thing and be careful if you haven't tested it [TS]

  either and I don't know if you know people have the option of trying to fix [TS]

  the firmware and their Samsung 850 retail drives I would not recommend that [TS]

  and the tipsters saying that yes the Apple drives are just variants of normal [TS]

  Samsung SSDs have you guys ever run a firmware update on a disc of any sort i [TS]

  think i think i have [TS]

  used to have to like boot into dust to do it on lobby Dr Germany and so I would [TS]

  use like you like virtual PC this is back in the day you know for x86 max use [TS]

  Virtual PC to be able to use the virtual floppy drive thing to get it to see my [TS]

  dress was this convoluted terrifying thing but you know at that point the [TS]

  driver empty like I would make sure like before I attempt this at all the data [TS]

  off the drive so then I guess worst-case scenario I brick it had to send it back [TS]

  and they sent me a new one but I have done it now I don't think I have [TS]

  I don't like once and it was one of those it was like it was embarrassingly [TS]

  lead in technology that it rules requiring me to use a das floppy it was [TS]

  too late to the point where I had like figure out how to boot it dots floppy [TS]

  image because the computer ahead of course it was like 2007 it was like [TS]

  something some very late time like why we stopped using floppies like 10 years [TS]

  before hand it in your config that says that's actually never was driven to do [TS]

  that even when I was a PC guy that the line within an apple add back when [TS]

  they're trying to make fun of dots which was you know the appropriate thing to do [TS]

  because they had some kid in the adds a nice so Apple music yeah have you [TS]

  listened to Taylor Swift yet know yet most of us have heard tell us when [TS]

  you're ready but I like the fact that it took a large new product initiatives [TS]

  from Apple to get you to listen to the songs that everyone has been listening [TS]

  to give it a listen to like the number one selling album with the last two [TS]

  years but yeah so it seems like a pretty good service I mean did you guys have [TS]

  you guys use streaming services before yeah I'm a Spotify user and a fairly [TS]

  develop one dividing up that I i'm happy enough with it that I've never tried [TS]

  beats I've never tried already oh no that doesn't mean they're not better it [TS]

  doesn't mean that I wouldn't like them or its just I've been happy with Spotify [TS]

  and I haven't had any compelling reason to mess with my setup [TS]

  and in some settling with Apple music over the last 24 hours as we record this [TS]

  recording on Wednesday night and Apple music launched roughly midday yesterday [TS]

  and I didn't play much with this with the streaming portion of it until today [TS]

  I was mostly just listening to beats one yes I was really curious to hear how was [TS]

  I like beets one I thought it was entertaining at the music selections [TS]

  were good and buried pretty early on they played a non English song which [TS]

  took me aback and then I thought you know that's pretty cool actually if this [TS]

  really is worldwide I forget the slogan they use over and over and over again [TS]

  but enough yep that's right because it would have been burned in my now but [TS]

  anyways since a worldwide radio station or so they say the fact that they were [TS]

  playing non English songs I thought was kinda cool I don't know Zane Lowe or any [TS]

  of the other DJs from anything but they all seem pretty entertaining today [TS]

  however I started playing with what I would call the Spotify like features of [TS]

  Apple music so that is to say I wanna play such-and-such album by such and [TS]

  such artists right now and it works just fine but I i've been thinking about it a [TS]

  lot since I've been fiddling with it around lunchtime today and I a good way [TS]

  to describe it but I don't like it and I feel the best way I can describe it and [TS]

  I can't decide if I if this was the opinion I had before I even tried it and [TS]

  so now I'm just getting my experience to my previously held opinion but it felt [TS]

  like it's it's a bunch of stuff just stapled onto the side of iTunes which is [TS]

  already relatively confusing to me to begin with because I don't use iTunes [TS]

  very often and it just felt weird whereas Spotify it has many of its own [TS]

  UI issues it has many many problems and many many poor choices [TS]

  but by and large it does not take me long to figure out how to go to a [TS]

  particular I'll album to particular artist to perform a particular operation [TS]

  whereas as an example I wanted to listen to our wanted to see the activity-based [TS]

  playlist that they had set up front of the show underscore had starkly pointed [TS]

  out that they have a getting it on [TS]

  playlist I believe it's called and so is going to look and see like what these [TS]

  play this morning what options they were and it took me literally five minutes to [TS]

  find it because I thought it would be in the either the playlist section but no [TS]

  that was my playlists in iTunes traditional iTunes then I thought it [TS]

  would be in the for use section but no they weren't for me and so I went [TS]

  looking in every section except the section that it was in which was I think [TS]

  because clearly all these players should be in the new section and so I know I [TS]

  just am NOT saying I don't like it I'm not saying I'm not going to switch to it [TS]

  I very well may switch to it but minus impression is beach month Apple music as [TS]

  a streaming on demand service come to the side have really decided yet you [TS]

  know when Apple did photos recently felt like a kind of wipe the slate clean of [TS]

  all of their past everything had accumulated a lot of history with a [TS]

  butter knife photo and clearly they like I do over start over from scratch [TS]

  let's bring only what we need with us and give us sort of migration path [TS]

  and the same thing but like the photo streams that kind of kept those on but [TS]

  they they you know they've been conceptualized a little bit in the news [TS]

  service and I called photo library like it was their chance to put a big reset [TS]

  button and Apple music and gaming what product naming lies looks like you know [TS]

  what to do with iTunes and iTunes Match and this that and the other thing was [TS]

  you know Apple music let's reset new name was gonna start over but as casey [TS]

  just point out they did it but they did with took the existing mess which [TS]

  involves iTunes in a bunch of other crap and added more stuff to like even iTunes [TS]

  Match still around and is confusingly different commissioner Attorney had a [TS]

  good article today explaining do I need iTunes Match about music just want one [TS]

  of the out there are there differences what are the differences its [TS]

  supercomputing this before you even get into so the little icon on my iphone has [TS]

  changed and now i cant find anything anymore and by the way iTunes 12 2 [TS]

  continues to have a music in it but continues to have more different changes [TS]

  in the music right but it doesn't have the the streaming stuff and iTunes now [TS]

  iTunes on the desktop that the new version came out like a few hours after [TS]

  it launched a sorry have a musical that has everything alright so much before it [TS]

  had been updated because the body count yeah right like it this is these are [TS]

  features on top of all the existing other features some features are [TS]

  superseded and replaced by new ones some are not [TS]

  and something several different names and their different places so it's not [TS]

  the sort of clean sheet reset which makes some sense because it is an [TS]

  additive think it's a bad thing where you could download and buy music already [TS]

  had that thing where you could review CDs and organize music and nearly had [TS]

  all these things and podcasts and seeking your iOS devices and you can do [TS]

  in iTunes streaming service now have all had this radio station and we also have [TS]

  liked [TS]

  point is a lot of crap in there and for someone like me who doesn't like I have [TS]

  Spotify installed and used it a few times but some like me it's not like I [TS]

  tend to just wanna listen to my music although the stuff is a look at all the [TS]

  stuff and think in what way does this either help or hurt my ability to listen [TS]

  to music the way I know he listened to it is it going to for example scramble [TS]

  all my album and artist metadata some people reporting the new version of [TS]

  iTunes is done to them if they had previously used iTunes Match will let me [TS]

  say get higher bitrate deer and perversions of songs that I read from CD [TS]

  many years ago and iTunes Match said that there was a good feature was a plus [TS]

  will let me not have access to all my music on my phone but not have to have a [TS]

  museum out again iTunes Match that that was a plus [TS]

  Apple music stopped I feel like as neutral or minus because it makes it [TS]

  harder for me to find things that I want to find and the sort of TV you know [TS]

  bug's point oh really so whatever you know this is kinda like beats music to [TS]

  whatever their their services go before make me worry about it so I did sign up [TS]

  for the trial but I'm a little bit afraid of the new version of iTunes on a [TS]

  Mac and I guess maybe look into the streaming things and try but like it was [TS]

  not a slam on their service I can't really judge it because I'm not a stream [TS]

  music kind of person like I was never intended other ones I installed you [TS]

  there I'm mostly looking at it as a potential harm to my existing music [TS]

  listening habits but you know tablet still trying to support that like you [TS]

  can still listen to music that way if you want to and maybe you might still [TS]

  want to subscribe to the music of the iCloud syncing features but maybe not if [TS]

  you already subscribe to iTunes Match which is way cheaper [TS]

  so anyway I feel like this is a very confusing situation for me and I'm not [TS]

  sure what to make of it seems like you know I totally agree with you on the [TS]

  problem of of bolting all this on to their existing very complicated iTunes / [TS]

  music setup that you know they have so much legacy there and you know you're [TS]

  comparing it with photos was asked you know but in with photos they did a clean [TS]

  start and that was a massive engineering effort seats I mean it seemed it was it [TS]

  was the first of all I think it was late but it was also dunno just it's Ave was [TS]

  a massive effort I I would imagine to get to basically you know try to replace [TS]

  iPhoto and aperture this new thing and do do it three decent job at a 1.0 + [TS]

  this massive cloud backend stuff and you know and having iOS match up the whole [TS]

  time with the desktop like that's that's just a massive effort had to go into [TS]

  photos to make that happen I I would love if they did the same thing with [TS]

  iTunes and you know deprecated iTunes and have a new actors called music even [TS]

  on Mac and have had a new music tap that only does music and even you leave [TS]

  videos and stuff [TS]

  make a separate videos at you know did just like you know this put off I books [TS]

  and that was fine they even now kicked audio books out of the music and iOS and [TS]

  and left that in the iBooks app now they do the same thing I'm at basically like [TS]

  slowly divest iTunes of the things that does that aren't music and and fold [TS]

  iTunes Match to like like iTunes Match still exist like there should be one new [TS]

  thing that income but its functionality is fine but there should be one new [TS]

  thing with various different price points in features like it should [TS]

  supersede iTunes Match in the same way that photostream still exists in the new [TS]

  photos things but they read conceptualized as a share section of the [TS]

  likes of you have existing ones out there and you can make new ones but it's [TS]

  like you know that it's under a new umbrella a new name and new pricing [TS]

  structure there's just one thing after know about not seven layers a lazy [TS]

  things that you have to know about and understand how to interact [TS]

  that's how it should be presented in conceptualized and like you said the [TS]

  implementation wise if you're going to try to conceptualize it is that you also [TS]

  have to get out of the apt to use to sync your iPod shuffle or whatever and I [TS]

  think that's the main problem is like they have all this massive legacy stuff [TS]

  that iTunes still has to do it there's still nothing else they can do a lot of [TS]

  these roles and you know yes you have iOS devices that can set themselves up [TS]

  now without a computer and never be synced to iTunes at all but there's [TS]

  still eight are still a lot of people who do synced to iTunes or who do use [TS]

  iTunes to manage their iOS devices and be there is all those devices they keep [TS]

  selling call iPod that that still need iTunes so it's like there's still a ton [TS]

  of a project they are still selling them and then they might be a new colors in a [TS]

  couple of weeks or whatever it doesn't it [TS]

  it seems like the massive amount of engineering effort that was required to [TS]

  dump iPhoto and aperture and make this new photos thing with this new iCloud [TS]

  photos library is the corresponding with scale of the job to do that for iTunes [TS]

  and music was probably just too big to do in a regional at a time and it's it's [TS]

  not time for that yet another never will be but it does it say I think I think [TS]

  it's clear that Apple believed it was not time for that yet and the day [TS]

  probably had to move faster to get you know they were clearly like like the [TS]

  relevance of of the iTunes Music Store to to buy music outright I think was [TS]

  declining faster than they probably expected they had plenty of time to [TS]

  react like that that's something to be said for the context here this is a meet [TS]

  you move Apple should have has streaming service long ago they spent a long time [TS]

  getting one day ended up having to acquire a company to celebrate their [TS]

  ability to have one but if you'd asked you know the rise of of all the [TS]

  streaming services is now I guess happen overnight and you know it seems to Apple [TS]

  flat-footed but it shouldn't have because there was plenty of time for [TS]

  them to realizes think they should have it seems like they just couldn't get [TS]

  together and make an acquisition to bring that to bear and my favorite hobby [TS]

  hobby horse with all server side stuff and which Apple credit they're actually [TS]

  making some motions on as we always do that thing with photos as a big [TS]

  community we don't have time like it's too much effort if you concentrate on [TS]

  producing infrastructure for a network services instead of concentrating I go [TS]

  get every new photos of you make infrastructure likes a cloud kit that is [TS]

  an example of infrastructure that you do good job with your general purpose [TS]

  infrastructure lots of sort of online powered applications have similar needs [TS]

  and cameras again again that's all Google does it seems like his make [TS]

  incredibly powerful and the structure upon which they can build all sorts of [TS]

  applications each one of the definitions that their reinvent the wheel and find a [TS]

  new way to store is dated so I would hope that some of the effort they put [TS]

  into the back end for photos would give them a leg up on potentially in the [TS]

  future [TS]

  rejecting any stuff of the other day but it's not something they didn't house btw [TS]

  is what it is they can't like rewrite all beats code in overnight order but [TS]

  like I'm hoping some of that infrastructure work that they're finally [TS]

  doing will pay dividends in like now it shouldn't be such a Herculean effort to [TS]

  do the same thing you did your photos for iTunes because you've done it once [TS]

  before and B you should be able to reuse allowed that work about expertise and [TS]

  experience love the code lot of the server side stuff a lot of the [TS]

  frameworks you know that should help you accelerate the when they have to do with [TS]

  the music app that is I go with the total rewrite or whatever [TS]

  all the things they did for the thought is a penis I can dream except they seem [TS]

  to understand that I got collection view that would be useful everywhere we [TS]

  should make that inhabit everywhere coronation that's that's clients we [TS]

  talked about this before service I'd ever structure how do you store budget [TS]

  data how do you get it on demand and a reliable way and I have a database to [TS]

  store all the metadata and you know how do we make all your stuff in the cloud [TS]

  and only parts of the new devices and that's what they're trying to do with [TS]

  photos and music is actually data volumizing easier probably a bigger than [TS]

  music so [TS]

  the most part yeah I think really the challenges we see here are purely that [TS]

  you know it's the same thing like every time i tunes gets a redesign the desk [TS]

  every time there's a new design for iTunes it really just makes the app [TS]

  harder and more confusing to use because they can't actually removed features [TS]

  from it for various reasons so instead they just like hide things at different [TS]

  like modes and drawers and stuff and it's like it's it's weird like you guys [TS]

  get this impossible to use application that is extremely complicated but is [TS]

  trying to look simple and they move things around a lot and that upsets [TS]

  people who like I knew where that was before and now I don't end it like I bet [TS]

  if you ask me and say okay if you knew where I was for its weird that we moved [TS]

  it but if you've never used it for the new location is better for reasons maybe [TS]

  they're right but for and maybe they're you know they're even write that like [TS]

  there are more new users then there are existing ones but just constantly [TS]

  reshuffling the deck chairs especially kind of like when they you know when [TS]

  they changed the whole iTunes deejay functionality replace it with up next [TS]

  now only two people know how the iTunes did he work but it was around long [TS]

  enough to keep her like kinda get into a groove with that kind of like a workflow [TS]

  of how they play music at parties or whatever involving iTunes deejay where [TS]

  that feature is called and then was replaced with up next they can say oh i [TS]

  text is better for reasons explained that but I can't reproduce my workflow [TS]

  it's you know not that I do you know like a desktop publishing application of [TS]

  Photoshop or whatever but you just constantly moving things around to try [TS]

  to find maybe this arrangement with more pleasing like you said Marco is also if [TS]

  you keep the same set of things and you don't want to give up anything which you [TS]

  probably don't because there's lots of essential functionality is just like the [TS]

  functionality of seven apps in one moving around just pisses people off for [TS]

  your experience loyal users and doesn't actually make you can actually make it [TS]

  that much all the crap is still there somewhere right exactly and theirs and [TS]

  theirs by the way there's the big windows question of how do you you know [TS]

  enable these things for people on Windows they need a bunch of crap for [TS]

  that there's obviously tons of technical debt here for things like I still have [TS]

  to quit my music player when I upgrade my developer [TS]

  pilar tools because they're related it's like there's a there's so many weird [TS]

  little tie-ins to iTunes that have been accumulating over the years that I think [TS]

  any kind of meaningful change to it is extremely unlikely to happen just [TS]

  because it's just it seems like it's never going to be worth the probably [TS]

  surprisingly large engineering effort to substantially improve it and break [TS]

  things up and start clean he said never know about that but anyway [TS]

  scale does come up and say that I've tried to figure out if I ever actually [TS]

  said that are you guys said it as an attempt to characterize and mock my line [TS]

  of reasoning and so far no one has found they found me saying in reply to Casey [TS]

  say it back to me but I don't know if I ever said that but anyway [TS]

  underscore will find it find someone tried and I thought they'd found it [TS]

  really didn't john Kasay saying it like snidely it was obvious that its own plan [TS]

  previously that like it come up before if I remember correctly I think it was [TS]

  when I was saying Apple didn't really need to replace Objective C and you were [TS]

  saying on different time scale yeah you are giving you getting out I did make [TS]

  but I'm saying like those exact words ok you know be called like my infinite [TS]

  times he argument and I guess it's more like that's that's Marcos named Marcos [TS]

  snide characterization of my much more subtle nuanced argument right yea or [TS]

  maybe actually I'm willing to believe that I said it I just don't remember [TS]

  so long ago but anyway yeah i doin something's got to be done eventually [TS]

  for now they intend to keep changing the icon and moving crap around in the UI [TS]

  but you know I asked God I mean I don't undo the iOS app as I get newest only [TS]

  the less technical debt and the IRS one and they did move crap around a lot and [TS]

  if you do things like if you even if you don't sign up for Apple music a lot of [TS]

  the options it seems like are moved around her hidden or not there when you [TS]

  actually have to go into the settings app and say Apple music off and then it [TS]

  looks more like the old music player app I did sign up for the trial and by the [TS]

  way to sign up for the free trial with a three month free trial is pretty [TS]

  generous as far as retrials go there it will auto renew for whatever price you [TS]

  sign up for but you can turn off the auto renewal somebody to be didn't start [TS]

  doing that I followed the instructions and it wasn't that bad it was like oh [TS]

  dear Apple idea go to manage and then go turn off auto-renewal so it's kind of [TS]

  slimy that they turn off auto-renewal on by default I'd rather have it say you [TS]

  know like its workspace real free trial I get a free trial and at the end of [TS]

  that then we'll do this hey you've been using three months if you like it pay [TS]

  money rather than just saying we're just gonna sign you up for ordering I suppose [TS]

  it would pop up then the email or whatever like all the subscriptions doin [TS]

  say by the way your you know I cause stories about your new in six days like [TS]

  to give you a chance to cancel or whatever but it would be nice if they [TS]

  didn't have the auto renew but Bailey Apple is not that far in the light side [TS]

  of the force that they're not going to hit you can turn it off anyway I have [TS]

  signed up to do that I can still find my music I am now slightly fearful from you [TS]

  know our stories of what it might do to my metadata and stuff for all my songs [TS]

  I'm kind of warily watching it and being careful with how I play back music so to [TS]

  turn off the auto renew [TS]

  if you are in Apple music and just about any tablet looks like he hit the little [TS]

  avatar you know profile person in the upper left and then there's a button for [TS]

  a row for view Apple I D and then in there there's a subscription section [TS]

  there's a managed button and then in there you can say it it says your [TS]

  membership Apple music membership and you can turn it off in there so just FYI [TS]

  yeah it seems like it's a very very similar to the auto renewed suspicions [TS]

  that they have an iOS four things like newsstand publications but instead yay [TS]

  and other things any kind of thing it's funny you bring that up because as I [TS]

  went through the stamps to confirm I knew how to do it I noticed that I had [TS]

  one other thing in subscriptions would you like to guess what it is that [TS]

  magazine that's correct [TS]

  nice although it shouldn't be billing anymore I think it's not a no it's [TS]

  expired yeah but but either way I thought that was kind of funny so what [TS]

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  I would say they are extremely comfortable to Gillette Fusion the fight [TS]

  the five blade gillette cartridge things these are not double-edge safety blades [TS]

  which I've tried before as well I honestly find both harry's and Gillett [TS]

  better than double check your rates for sensitive skin as I used me shape me [TS]

  anyway long story and I stopped shaving once I realized that I just like the [TS]

  cartridges better than than the straight razors that the double-edge stuff [TS]

  because they really is like for sensitive skin these blades they're [TS]

  awesome so harry's blades really are top quality blade that are [TS]

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  as they have a starter set an amazing deals you for 15 bucks you get a razor [TS]

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  when you need more believes they are just $2 each or less an eight pack is [TS]

  just 15 bucks a 16 pack of the blades is just $25 the handles that Harry's head [TS]

  and the cream and everything all the other stuff is miles ahead first of all [TS]

  the designs are really tasteful they're they're kind of modern but like [TS]

  retro-inspired so it's almost like a madman kind of athletic online [TS]

  attractive tasteful designs like you know you you get like other razors and [TS]

  it looks like kids toy or like a Transformers / you know droid commercial [TS]

  kind of aesthetic it's really weird when you get other blades have like weird [TS]

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  carry stuff is just nice it's tastefully designed its IT field of high quality [TS]

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  we've heard from so many people both men and women who use hairy stuff we've [TS]

  heard from so many women that say these are great and they use them all the time [TS]

  and you know women's raisers face almost all of the same challenges as men's you [TS]

  know there's there's some difference here and there but for the most part you [TS]

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  razors and I really like you can we've heard everyone uses harry's everyone [TS]

  loves harry's check it out harry's dot com use promo code ATP to save five [TS]

  bucks off your first purchase thanks a lot to Harry's anything else about Apple [TS]

  music I thought the the sort of first-run experience where it shows you [TS]

  like the artist bubbles in tap them multiple times to make them bigger and [TS]

  it shows the picture of the artists on the [TS]

  a demo that in in the keynote when they were introducing it and I went through [TS]

  it and I was disappointed for a couple reasons one the little bubbles that gave [TS]

  me I was looking for my favorite bands and they were not there so I'm not sure [TS]

  how is coming up with the bug you do like more artists I kept hitting more [TS]

  artists hoping eventually would rotate in some of my favorite bands but I think [TS]

  that you know if it's trying to get an idea of what kind of music I like you [TS]

  know I'd like to tap the bubbles for you to our members Springsteen Radiohead [TS]

  like it's a good start right there you know we can branch out and keep going [TS]

  right and those just born there but to I don't think you should have had asked me [TS]

  at all because I've been on iTunes Match subscriber for a long time it's got all [TS]

  my plate plate counts for like four years worth of play cumulative play [TS]

  clans accounts across all devices it's got that in in the clouds somewhere [TS]

  right why does have to ask me to my favorite artists I don't ask me you've [TS]

  got the actual data no matter what I say like I mean you can have both but I [TS]

  tweeted this I thought it was ridiculous they didn't use information there's a [TS]

  couple of this one the anglers you don't have to do that bubble thing and if you [TS]

  don't do it maybe they do use your thing in the cloud that's the case then there [TS]

  to serve on boarding process did not make that clear to me that if I just [TS]

  skip the bubbles darling don't deal with it it would just use the information as [TS]

  about my listening habits I didn't that was not made clear to me during think if [TS]

  it's even true and the second thing is like having both of those options maybe [TS]

  I don't want to use my usage it may be a case of change recently maybe I want to [TS]

  give it time window like there's lots of I just like there's lots of things they [TS]

  could have and should have done and if they are doing they could have [TS]

  communicated better it wasn'ta for a nice for us run experience and a lot of [TS]

  people that like it's a Google kind of thing to do like where they where they [TS]

  may make it clear that they know you're listening expertly we know they know how [TS]

  do you think your plate count when you play something on your phone you look at [TS]

  the plate count in iTunes because you have iTunes Match it increments over [TS]

  there like we know they know this information we have that's how iTunes [TS]

  Match works right and even if it wasn't in the cloudy was just on your device [TS]

  even on a given device you have at least like a couple of weeks or months of [TS]

  years of play count data depending on how long you have a device that you have [TS]

  you stayed on device you still look up information I would have liked the [TS]

  onboarding process to say [TS]

  we do or do not know something about your habits YouTube easy just got this [TS]

  phone you never subscribed iTunes Match you don't listen to iTunes users new [TS]

  Spotify like let it let it tell the person how much it thinks it knows about [TS]

  your habits and say would you like us to use what we know if your habits over the [TS]

  X number of months or text number of you know some way presenting to them to say [TS]

  this is how much we know about you you want to use that information to your [TS]

  recommendations do you or do you want to pick new things and then go through the [TS]

  process and then have the bubbles process be a little bit nicer about you [TS]

  know you guessing which artist that wants to put in the mix like maybe it's [TS]

  because maybe just go by your age like that would be a no go find out whether [TS]

  they use for age but probably give them a good start right you know maybe they [TS]

  don't have a demographic information either but I can I don't know how it's [TS]

  coming up with the bubbles or whatever outgrown it was using the bubbles are [TS]

  not matching up with me like a band that I had not heard of them were probably [TS]

  bands that the youngsters like and it just would not be liable for any of my [TS]

  like top five or top 7 David bands no matter how many times they had more [TS]

  artists that was disappointing other people were saying that the [TS]

  recommendation bubble led them to a bunch of players to really nail bitter [TS]

  taste and even after I went through the bubble then pick the best ones that I [TS]

  could when I saw it like a sort of page four you are recommendations for you [TS]

  they weren't terrible that makes you think it really is using the iTunes [TS]

  Match information behind the scenes and makes me question my the bubbles were [TS]

  there but anyway the bubbles are in need you I but the onboard experience rap [TS]

  music for me was not good so real-time follow-up sort of kind of I was fiddling [TS]

  with Apple music on my phone while I was listening to you guys talk and I went to [TS]

  the Kinect tab to see what was there and I'll start by saying that I got [TS]

  subscribed to a bunch of artists I could not possibly care less about when I [TS]

  first got on boarded with the whole Kinect thing that said I went through in [TS]

  unselected most of them kept the ones I like and then selected a couple others [TS]

  that I that I really enjoy and so if I were to pick my favorite band right now [TS]

  and this has been the case for a few years now mentioned it I think before [TS]

  that's spam called me at math and science going to connect and the second [TS]

  item after an entry is is an entry from you from new math where apparently a [TS]

  local magazine from here in Richmond sat down with them either before or after [TS]

  the concert that Aaron and I went to that was a couple hours away from here i [TS]

  think is last month and I had no idea this existed I follow the entire ban on [TS]

  Twitter I followed the band's account on Twitter I had no idea this was a thing [TS]

  in so when the shows over tomorrow or something I'm gonna go ahead and read [TS]

  this interview with with pretty much my favorite band from a local magazine I [TS]

  had no earthly idea so it's a pretty cool thing so far in and the Kinect [TS]

  thing seems like it's being populated by a handful of people somehow Tim McGraw's [TS]

  in here I'm not really sure why but but not that I'm impressed that I have [TS]

  already discovered something I would not have known about otherwise I think it [TS]

  just makes you follow everybody and every artist near collapse like that its [TS]

  initial polyesters everybody who you have music which that I think that's [TS]

  great to me like a 44 years I've had this problem we're like I will have five [TS]

  albums from a band and the come out with a new album and I won't know I won't [TS]

  know about I don't follow the news that that well and I'll discover it like [TS]

  months or years later like oh my god I would have bought these years ago I why [TS]

  didn't I know about this this album and they they've had for for a long time [TS]

  some kind of like artist alert system alerts whenever this artist has a new [TS]

  release something but you had like manually enable that for everything and [TS]

  just seemed like the obvious choice would be like just look at any music I [TS]

  have any artist in my collection especially any artist for a car loan [TS]

  full albums just notify me whenever just like you have some news feed area or [TS]

  some indication somewhere emailing garbage email me like whenever the oh [TS]

  never any artist who I've bought music from the past releases a new album do [TS]

  you think that's the right to fall any artists because I have tons of things [TS]

  like I have two tracks by Azureus one track bazaars [TS]

  I I think it's ok to have that option because manually following all they are [TS]

  is your thing would be tedious but I'm not entirely sure that should be the [TS]

  ball like I feel like most people have a handful of artists that they're really [TS]

  interested in new releases from and long tail of artists that have 12 tracks yep [TS]

  I and maybe it maybe I'm working on the full album kind of person but I don't [TS]

  know I don't know some of these artists are going through it now maybe this is [TS]

  some tracks from my my kids or whatever but like the secret sisters I don't even [TS]

  know who that is [TS]

  yeah there definitely were entries that I did not know the artist or maybe I had [TS]

  a single track from them from like back when I was in college or something like [TS]

  that and I'm not gonna you know I know who Toto is but I'm not gonna follow [TS]

  them relating to the new todo album it's going to be 100 yeah I don't know it's I [TS]

  didn't like the onboarding experience which they should sound familiar but by [TS]

  and large I didn't think it was I don't think it's bad so far so we'll see you [TS]

  know anything else about music I honestly I i'm only listen to it for you [TS]

  know what a day right now so it's not you know I haven't been too much time [TS]

  with it but I like it a lot so far I've already listened to a few albums that I [TS]

  wouldn't have jumped by but because I can listen to them now for free / no [TS]

  additional cost [TS]

  I will gladly listen to the album and Ann Arbor couple them I thought you know [TS]

  I'm I want to buy this for a couple of my thought you know I'm glad it in by [TS]

  this but that was that was interesting [TS]

  you know like that or you know I enjoyed it for those five minutes before that [TS]

  forty minutes but I don't wanna hear it again you know this that mean this [TS]

  obviously this is like me discovering what everybody else in the world [TS]

  discovered years ago when streaming services started to become a thing at [TS]

  this is kind of guy I like this and I I can see why it changes the way people [TS]

  buy and pay for music so much because it is very compelling and this is this if [TS]

  everything they said pans out you know if [TS]

  if what they are attempting to do end up being what they're actually doing in in [TS]

  the way that like they have to heat the human curation aspect the playlist and [TS]

  everything if that ends up being good and staying good this is gonna be great [TS]

  for me because I have tried other services in the past I first had a long [TS]

  time ago I tried Pandora I tried Spotify brief briefly tried RTO and then for [TS]

  like a day I tried beats before I realized they didn't even have a real [TS]

  Mac App my problem is that I don't I don't find new music on my own very well [TS]

  and that the system they've had in the iTunes Store to date where they [TS]

  basically just have like you know people who bought this also bought this list of [TS]

  crap at the bottom that has been terrible for me i've i've spent so much [TS]

  time exploring those previewing the thousands and trying to go to a band I [TS]

  love and I'll see you know the people who bought also bought section at the [TS]

  bottom and it's just a bunch of garbage like I can't imagine why people buy [TS]

  those two things to keep the human curation aspect so far in the in the [TS]

  handful of playlist they've listened to that have been like the feature players [TS]

  kind of things we're loving person was involved I liked it it has given me new [TS]

  music it has it is introduced me to new stuff in a way that all of the [TS]

  algorithmic things in the previous services I've tried plus the iTunes [TS]

  recommendations under their their purchased albums those have never gotten [TS]

  there for me they've never did never been good enough to stick with me so far [TS]

  this looks promising so I'm looking forward to this and and that is that's [TS]

  what everyone always was saying about beats ibeats music when when it was [TS]

  called that that they were very good at that and the only reason I get a chance [TS]

  again because they didn't have a Mac app now this this seems like this clearly be [TS]

  something for people like me who who are you know too old to find good music on [TS]

  their own [TS]

  how do you find the recommendations of services that are say better than Apple [TS]

  doing this type of thing like maybe Amazon and Netflix Netflix I guess is [TS]

  the best example like people like this movie also like this movie defined [TS]

  that Netflix's you just like sort of don't find the people who I'd also like [TS]

  to conceptually is a good thing or is it just that Apple's invalidate his crappy [TS]

  and as people like this also bought tell us with 1989 because everybody bought it [TS]

  and there I have generally found those the recommendation type things to be [TS]

  better than my opinion of apples can you tell us about one more thing that's [TS]

  awesome then I think I have a couple more thoughts about this and John might [TS]

  as well [TS]

  absolutely our final speeches week is Casper Casper is an online retailer of [TS]

  mattresses which sounds crazy but trust me it works so they are only retailer of [TS]

  premium mattresses for a fraction of the price of most mattresses now you know [TS]

  for years you've had things like memory foam where they provide great support [TS]

  but a lot of people are not big fans of the memory foam feels more like the [TS]

  smell that might have heard general consisted of it touching their skin or [TS]

  too hot for them so the Casper does is they have a hybrid mattress it combines [TS]

  latex foam and memory foam to get you the best of both so that what you have [TS]

  basically is you have the support of memory foam mattress but the latex foam [TS]

  layer believe it the top layer of it and then that cooler filled so you don't [TS]

  have the kind of hot feel alot of people don't like about memory foam I really is [TS]

  the best of both worlds from people who have tried it and use it right right [TS]

  absolutely have my parents are just visiting and one of them slept on the [TS]

  castro matches we have in the guest room and after they went back home I got an [TS]

  email forwarded from my sister who is saying what was the name of that matters [TS]

  that we stuff done because she's looking for them so rave reviews from the from [TS]

  the parents coming over to sleep on them [TS]

  nice yeah I mean so casper these are good mattresses and they know that [TS]

  buying online is risky you know it at times everything we buy online sounded [TS]

  ridiculous the idea of like you know buying clothes or shoes online initially [TS]

  sent a ridiculous though how many traders on well people figured out ok [TS]

  well just you know have a good return policy and have fast shipping and [TS]

  everything and and that makes it better [TS]

  so they cover you there a hundred and return policy so that you can try it for [TS]

  a hundred nights and if you don't like it you can return it there's free [TS]

  delivery they said if pilots returns at the unit is it wants to unpack you know [TS]

  kind of hard to box it up so they know they will help you arrange for that if [TS]

  you want to send it back but chances are you won't they know that that's why they [TS]

  give you $100 to try it they're made in America they are obsessively engineered [TS]

  and they have just the right thing and just the right balance from the [TS]

  combination of memory foam and latex foam better nights and brighter days now [TS]

  the pricing of these mattresses is really incredible it's shockingly fair [TS]

  so generally speaking for a good mattress a good-looking a memory foam [TS]

  mattress you gonna pay maybe fifteen hundred bucks for electric Weiner King [TS]

  Kester mattresses they cost between $500 for a twin all the way up to 850 for a [TS]

  queen and 954 King these are incredibly good prices you can even get 50 bucks [TS]

  off by using our coupon code ATP at checkout [TS]

  so check it out to two / ATP use code ATP check out to get these are [TS]

  specially engineered mattresses that are offered shockingly fair prices things [TS]

  like the catcher for sponsoring this show for better nights and brighter days [TS]

  so I wanted to quickly build on what you're saying Marco about streaming [TS]

  services I don't I'm not surprised that that neither of you necessarily said [TS]

  that streaming services at work that well for you in the past I used to be [TS]

  music listener like I think you guys are which is you have a batch of music that [TS]

  you tend to listen to you you have your library in you stray here and there but [TS]

  generally speaking you're pretty darn content with what you got [TS]

  I don't know what switch flipped in my mind but over time I got more and more [TS]

  into hearing more and more eclectic things and and and sit in satisfying [TS]

  very random cravings are very random times and when I love about being a [TS]

  Spotify user and this should be applicable to Apple music as well is [TS]

  that I can listen to damn near anything I want anytime I want immediately [TS]

  and that's what's so appealing to me about streaming services I never even [TS]

  got that into Spotify in terms of in terms of like their radio stations in [TS]

  terms of their whatever curation they may have and I agree that I've heard [TS]

  constantly about about how great the creationism beats music and so I just [TS]

  loved being able to listen to anything anytime and Spotify also has some really [TS]

  great community features particularly around playlist so for example and [TS]

  myself have football season tickets to the University of Virginia and we have a [TS]

  shared playlist with the guy that we go with that we will any any one of the [TS]

  three of us can just add songs to the playlist on Spotify which works out [TS]

  really well I have no earthly idea if that's possible on Apple music I doubt [TS]

  it but I haven't tried and so in a lot of ways but if I worked really well for [TS]

  me and I really really enjoyed it and I enjoyed enough that I think it took me a [TS]

  day or two to sign up for the $10 a month for Spotify that have been paying [TS]

  for two or three years now so I would encourage you to do exactly did Marco [TS]

  and then give it a shot just gonna try poking around and see what you can find [TS]

  as I think you might be surprised at how much interesting and good music you can [TS]

  find even if all that ends up happening is you quit new common are you very [TS]

  often fall back to the things you already know and love and the other [TS]

  thing I wanted to ask both of you guys is did you have a chance to listen to [TS]

  beats wanted on all start with you Marco you can probably predict my answer you [TS]

  either didn't or you heard it for 10 seconds and decided you hated it [TS]

  the letter pretty much as I listened in everyone's saying it's very good so I [TS]

  listened for I don't know five or six songs didn't hear a single thing that I [TS]

  liked at all [TS]

  each song I wanted to turn it off during it but I figured I'd let me give it a [TS]

  little bit more so it's fine I'm sure it's great for a lot of people it's just [TS]

  not it's not the kind of guy like so that you know how everyone feels when [TS]

  they listen to Phish yeah exactly I think I i think it'll be interesting to [TS]

  see how this does because it really is bringing [TS]

  many of the benefits of radio stations kind of back or two different different [TS]

  area where they weren't really before but it also brings most of the drawbacks [TS]

  of reasons everyone's are already very tired of hearing their their station I D [TS]

  in their over later their talk over and everything you can't skip a song if you [TS]

  don't like it because it's live and there's like he can't really go back [TS]

  even like this it seems like they have brought most of the annoyances and [TS]

  limitations of radio stations with them and most of the time of necessity and if [TS]

  they if they're going to do this they kind of have to do it that way for the [TS]

  most part so it seems like it is bringing into the modern age a format [TS]

  that is it's almost the secure morphism of radio that they copied all of the [TS]

  limitations and and annoyances along with the you know the the core of it [TS]

  meant much about is you know kind of inseparable so you know it's fine I'm [TS]

  sure people like it may be opposed having a party imma put that on or [TS]

  something right where I just wanted to put on something that would make me [TS]

  sound cool if that's even possible but I don't see myself listening to it really [TS]

  i John if you listen to it all I didn't follow us into it and my additional [TS]

  point out the music is basically just made by Marco that four getting back two [TS]

  cases characterization of the collection of music and that's that I would adjust [TS]

  that slightly to say the way I listen to music I have Mike likes of music and I'm [TS]

  always on the lookout for additions but the key is i'm looking for additions to [TS]

  my collection of music so if I was ever thought of you know the one way you can [TS]

  do it you can graze like just listen to music traveler on links or whatever you [TS]

  can also do it the same way things now which is the recommendations from people [TS]

  I know have similar taste to me and things easy on social media and the [TS]

  overwhelming recommendation of a bunch of people everyone saying you gotta go [TS]

  see if you could maybe it's something to that if everybody have a whole bunch of [TS]

  people in your circle tell you Lady Gaga and I just another you know manufactured [TS]

  pop star even though it's what you think about [TS]

  the first six months they're out maybe you should look at you know but the [TS]

  whole activity is do a bunch of crap and add to my collection of music so it's [TS]

  not a static election to does grow and it grows slowly right but I had not just [TS]

  new songs but entire new artists and new bands get added to the collection so it [TS]

  is an anagram thing but the essential question is when it comes time to listen [TS]

  to music do you want to listen to a bunch of music by somebody else or [TS]

  listen to your music and listen to your music doesn't mean that you don't ever [TS]

  want to change your music you do you want year you want to discover like [TS]

  market you want to discover new music that you will like it's just a [TS]

  difference when it comes time to do the listening part not the Discovery Park [TS]

  what do you want to do and I just wanna listen to my music great so that's why [TS]

  in Diamond Bar listen to beats one which i think is probably fine but this is not [TS]

  how to listen to music and the other a lot of music that market is getting out [TS]

  was a lot of other people talking about this this is not that you know people [TS]

  talk about as it battles a percentage of this Spotify Rdio all these things are [TS]

  interesting in that they are bringing radio to a generation of people who are [TS]

  much younger than us obvious they who didn't grow up with radio as as big a [TS]

  dominant force in their life as it was in our lives right now they didn't know [TS]

  radio was delivered everybody but like the kids of the iPod generation when it [TS]

  was technically feasible for you to have a huge collection music with you at all [TS]

  times that enable the lot more people to do what I do I just have a massive [TS]

  collection of your music and listen to that instead of just saying I'm gonna [TS]

  listen to these things coming over the airwaves you know good transit you're [TS]

  ready you couldn't have your whole record collection with you is gigantic [TS]

  like you need to record player needs to be not counting on you know even CD [TS]

  players with skip protection like you have one or two CDs right the people who [TS]

  grew up in the iPod error this whole concept of someone else is going to pick [TS]

  a bunch of songs and play into me alive is something that they're familiar with [TS]

  tangentially but wasn't their primary interface to Music City some novelty do [TS]

  it like this sort of the radio secure morphism [TS]

  it's it's it's kind of retro and is also is also a novel and some people like [TS]

  that everything like if your tastes aligns well with taste of the person [TS]

  whose programming that radio station that can be good for you and also I'm [TS]

  hoping that these internet reincarnations of radio stations you get [TS]

  rid of a lot of the craft that defined old radio stations in terms of the [TS]

  things that you were played too little to do with the taste of any individual [TS]

  person whether it is good or bad and much more do with the weather but record [TS]

  companies were pushing or possibly paying to be played so I'm hoping it [TS]

  does away with that as well but like Marco said like the iPod there for [TS]

  people who grew up with radio freed us from the tyranny of radio stations [TS]

  because it usually maybe only 45 radio stations that came in good at your house [TS]

  and there's the classic rock station the oldies station the alternative station [TS]

  the heavy metal station and like NPR and if you like your options are so limited [TS]

  it's like i don't want to listen to other people want to play for me I know [TS]

  the music that I like I can bring my clothes like the beauty of the iPod with [TS]

  it if readers from all of that and bring it back is not tempting me to go back to [TS]

  that old world but for the people who never experienced that world or never [TS]

  fled to go to the iPod same people who are asking for an FM tuner to be added [TS]

  to their iPods for years and years [TS]

  be 21 and that sort of internet radio station intentionally removing the [TS]

  ability to you know skip tracks or even pause or rewind or anything like that [TS]

  could be an interesting novelty and if that if that format is actually a thing [TS]

  and not just an accident of history not just like well like the old days we had [TS]

  to do radio this way because of these technical limitations but once we didn't [TS]

  we never do that again like if it turns out that it actually is the way people [TS]

  listen to music and not just technical limitation it's good that all these [TS]

  streaming services are also saying by the way that not everything about radio [TS]

  is stupid [TS]

  there may still be a mass appeal to a DJ'd programmed you know for radio [TS]

  station on the internet so even though I still think it's not for me it is [TS]

  definitely worthwhile for everyone to to figure out whether that but that's the [TS]

  thing [TS]

  yeah I mean it I would say many ways it is similar to the problem that [TS]

  newspapers and magazines face socially magazines where and i know i haven't [TS]

  haven't tried to run and not having succeeded really you know one of the [TS]

  problems is like when you have something like a magazine or radio station and you [TS]

  are you're like prescribing to people here that you were going to see here's [TS]

  the package of things you're gonna see this than this than this and you can [TS]

  hear this and this and this and we we have moved on from that technologically [TS]

  people are accustomed to more freedom people are accustomed to being able to [TS]

  pick and choose and seek around and do whatever they want and if you say you [TS]

  know in the case of a magazine I'm going to charge you access every month and I'm [TS]

  gonna give you these 10 articles and going to be on a variety of topics and [TS]

  you might care about one of them that worked for a long time when there were [TS]

  really no good alternatives but now people can just find the few good things [TS]

  they like online from all sorts of different sources not even just you and [TS]

  they like that better and it's it's kinda better for everybody that way [TS]

  except for maybe the publishers but you know it's it's better for the readers to [TS]

  the consumers and radio i think is a similar problem of like you already have [TS]

  this world where everybody can have their own program station tell her likes [TS]

  if they don't like a song they can skip it if they want to play it again they [TS]

  can just play it again if they want to buy it now it's all integrator and [TS]

  everything like the world we have that isn't radio stations is really nice and [TS]

  really advanced and we're all accustomed to that now so to do try to go back to [TS]

  the way radio was an amusing in the past tense cuz its face it really has been [TS]

  dead for a long time to go back to the way radio was now once we've all moved [TS]

  on with how we think music should work and how music does work everywhere else [TS]

  I think it's really a problem I I think we're all listening right now because we [TS]

  want to try it out at school in New I'm really curious to see if this actually [TS]

  is something that that had any influence whatsoever doesn't have any any you know [TS]

  cultural presence are a lot of people listen to it in six months [TS]

  our resident secret betraying Apple employee wants to emphasize the Spotify [TS]

  does not have a deejay they just have so I'm not sure I'm my familiarity with [TS]

  dreams of his dismal but maybe Apple is the first one to try to get you know [TS]

  actually human DJs to pick things out as opposed to algorithms and stuff like [TS]

  that but yeah like technologically speaking if this turns out to be a thing [TS]

  it's very very easy for you to stream companies to hire their own people to be [TS]

  detailed like radio DJs I'm sure they're out there looking for work like it as [TS]

  much as you can pay them apples I salaries or even Spotify Pandora size [TS]

  salaries so high because I don't listen to music that way it's hard for me to [TS]

  handicap the odds that the days turn out to be a thing at some of the personal [TS]

  chat room also said that a lot of this is as usual from American perspective [TS]

  because American radio stations are crappy and maybe they're not so bad and [TS]

  the rest of the world and the idea of you know a person you gaining fame by [TS]

  having good taste in choosing music the other people here and you start trusting [TS]

  them to you pick good music for you and coming to outside of a relationship with [TS]

  them as adj hasn't happened for as much in the us- because of all the radio [TS]

  corruption and top 40 BS and all the other reason things the radio maybe does [TS]

  happen in the rest of the world to me they already know the answer that [TS]

  question I'm asking which is it actually valuable for a human to program music [TS]

  for lots of people do even though technology makes it possible to not have [TS]

  to ever do that again I don't know but I hope one day I was wondering from [TS]

  earlier is I don't see I think part of the reason why I love Spotify so much is [TS]

  that even in the times when I wanna listen to something that I own that I [TS]

  have my iTunes library I'll just go to Spotify because it's what I'm used to [TS]

  and that's the first place I think of and I'll look up that album and I'll [TS]

  just play it and so yes like the old curmudgeon in me feel like I'm just [TS]

  renting access to to all of my music which is true but nonetheless I can [TS]

  listen to anything I want within reason anytime I want to tell ya [TS]

  and anything I want you said that a few times that brings up another topic that [TS]

  has come up with me and a few other people i've seen [TS]

  obviously no streaming service has like all the music you know that he doesn't [TS]

  have beetles and you know Spotify did not tell us with because of her [TS]

  streaming decision for that so you know you don't have everything everything but [TS]

  you have most things right but for people with weird taste like if you're [TS]

  like Dan Martin really like soundtracks or if you're like me and you like [TS]

  basically illegal mashups or video game soundtracks nobody here has weird taste [TS]

  in music [TS]

  right well I mean fish you think is weird but fish is gonna be on the iTunes [TS]

  Store not the ones I listen to the live ones right but like this kind of a [TS]

  problem [TS]

  yeah but you know those things the things I'm talking about some of the [TS]

  real albums that sometimes their imports from Japan by a lot of things I haven't [TS]

  CD like they're not pirated anything this is the official soundtrack for this [TS]

  game put out by the publisher of the game and that's not going to be anywhere [TS]

  on their list of things and I have maybe I wouldn't want you know someone to [TS]

  deejay video game music for me just like only the best orchestral arrangements of [TS]

  Zelda songs I guess I don't know maybe that's enough not enough for someone to [TS]

  da channel of order but these things aren't even for sale in the plain old [TS]

  $0.99 per track iTunes Store let alone available now from Music so being able [TS]

  to have access to the world's music the only place that still true if you google [TS]

  for something with you know in your alkaline mp3 and basically you can find [TS]

  every video game soundtrack you want but an album Music the percentage of my [TS]

  music that is available for streaming and Apple music ignoring obviously like [TS]

  iTunes Match in the fact that music will upload my music all these things it's [TS]

  not like I can't listen to my music I have it it will let me stream that I can [TS]

  already do that with iTunes Match 20,000 songs amount of revenue limit is our [TS]

  year whatever but the catalog of music really relies on you having musical [TS]

  tastes that are the reason they glean mainstream as you start to wander into [TS]

  other rounds I can imagine I don't know anything about this but like classical [TS]

  music opera [TS]

  I don't know what this election is like in that like as you just start to wander [TS]

  away from popular music for lack of a better term it could be that Apple [TS]

  music's overlap with your library is small enough that when you go oh i [TS]

  really wanna hear the blah blah blah blah blah blah blahs our movie or video [TS]

  game music site I don't know what you talking about dude and if you didn't [TS]

  previously upload that your iTunes Match and stare back down a part of my music [TS]

  collection no you can't like say it's ahead don't have something in my [TS]

  collection like you know what I have no music from Street Fighter in my [TS]

  collection but right now I would like to hear like you know the most popular or [TS]

  famous street fighter themes better had music yeah if it's not there like then [TS]

  the one thing that I would think I'm using my case he was saying like [TS]

  sometimes you just want to say a song exists I know the title I know the [TS]

  artist type type type 2 seconds later I'm listening to it that's amazing and [TS]

  it works when it doesn't it shakes my faith in in the utility of December [TS]

  assure me in any way cuz i dont want two things that are DJ'd I don't wanna [TS]

  listen to rent in streaming things I basically just wanna listen to my music [TS]

  the one utility get have is it just a song I think of that having her new [TS]

  years that I wanna hear right now just type it in there and if that works for [TS]

  me even only eighty percent of the time that makes you think you know definitely [TS]

  not seven dollars a month away their charging in general you know you're [TS]

  right it's it's worth pointing out that like you know if you have not mainstream [TS]

  tastes like this that these services are probably not going to help you discover [TS]

  lot of new music in that in those areas and that's worth considering but if 44 [TS]

  other roles for for the music they did it does have the fact that Apple service [TS]

  is integrated with this uploads feature the behalf whether at iTunes Match or [TS]

  whatever they're calling the new thing that same unit that basically the same [TS]

  thing that the fact this is all integrated that it gives them a huge leg [TS]

  up on the other services that like you know for me it was always useless for me [TS]

  to try to the services because I would have you know I wanna listen to normal [TS]

  people music sometimes and my crazy fish live shows up at other times and I have [TS]

  to keep that between two different apps tonight and then you know I'm a picky [TS]

  jerk and that would drive me crazy [TS]

  whereas Apple stuff [TS]

  they basically built a streaming service into the app I was already stubbornly [TS]

  using from my music listening so that I that's me and and because it integrates [TS]

  all of my stuff with their stuff that is very compelling and I think again it's [TS]

  not this is not gonna be a mainstream need an iPad but the majority of users [TS]

  of Apple music are never going to use these features but it's for the people [TS]

  who who will use them this setup music apart from every other service here so [TS]

  I'm getting out with the Cadillac selection is that one of the advantages [TS]

  one of the supposed it and real I think advantages of the Internet age is not [TS]

  only can we make like the world's music available to you at your fingertips but [TS]

  yeah we can add the videogame crap we can add like I mean rights issues aside [TS]

  but i knw the easiest because these are actual real press CDs officially from [TS]

  the companies that make the games is not illegal stuff for a live recordings or [TS]

  anything of you know dubious origin you don't have to register is no shelf space [TS]

  while blob and there is no shelf space on the internet and no shelf space and [TS]

  Apple store in the cloud over never liked you know chase down that long tail [TS]

  pro that crap in there like why not like that should be one of the advantages of [TS]

  this type of services that you can have a longer not an infinite tale but I [TS]

  longer tail then you could have one you had to put things when you had to you [TS]

  know put things on shelves in stories because then you really had to make some [TS]

  hard choices you have more runway that should be like I said it certainly is [TS]

  the dream of just googling you could find any music anywhere these streaming [TS]

  services one of the advantages they should have among their many is now [TS]

  following the tail can be longer and I think it is obvious that I do music [TS]

  store has more music in it than any record physical records for that [TS]

  probably ever existed but I'm saying you know keep chasing down don't be content [TS]

  with what you have [TS]

  go full-fledged on you know you just start with like categories music movie [TS]

  soundtracks video game soundtracks like that's all official music that you can [TS]

  probably get from somebody and if something's not there because the only [TS]

  five people interested in it just you know [TS]

  I think that is an advantage that they should leverage that the size of their [TS]

  catalog should be a bragging right and not just 800 versions of the most [TS]

  popular top 10 songs per year but take them long tail a little bit more when I [TS]

  think that's also an area where Apple has an advantage that even though they [TS]

  have not done so well in streaming in the last few years and they've fallen [TS]

  behind in their relevance in the in music [TS]

  last year as a result despite that I think they they are not only not only do [TS]

  they have the right legacy of the right resources in the right connections but [TS]

  also now they have what appears to be but probably going to be very very [TS]

  popular and classical music service for streaming now I think Apple has the best [TS]

  chances of any of the players in this game of getting really good deals like [TS]

  if the Beatles were ever gonna be streamed anywhere it's probably gonna be [TS]

  able to stop by Apple is really good at getting deal generally speaking for this [TS]

  kind of stuff and they are gonna you know they're gonna really likes it and [TS]

  everybody who they can't get until they can get them and maybe that extends also [TS]

  to the long tail I don't know but I think if anybody has a chance as Apple [TS]

  and if you are a long tail rights holder or something and you are trying to see [TS]

  which of you services do you want to submit your stuff to our or get your [TS]

  stuff on again I think Apple is going to have a pretty strong presence there i [TS]

  mean they aren't the biggest gaming service right now but in a few years [TS]

  they might be in there certainly always going to be a sizable one that people [TS]

  will think about when they're sitting there trying to figure out as publisher [TS]

  as Indies where do I put my stuff so again I I'm pretty optimistic about [TS]

  Apple music I think that if anything and I i've seen only great things about it [TS]

  so far on Twitter and stuff if anything this all just highlight L clunky the [TS]

  presentation was because it seems like it looks like it's a really good service [TS]

  and people really like it and it has a lot of things that other services don't [TS]

  have it's a shame that none of that came through really and the presentation but [TS]

  it doesn't matter now you don't think I think that the presentation and the [TS]

  actual like we talked about the iTunes [TS]

  happened music app I think there is a there are similar levels of confusion [TS]

  about them because it is a very complicated thing that's difficult to [TS]

  explain that it shouldn't be this many like FAQ articles and write explained [TS]

  there is about like what is i Apple music and what is it really give you and [TS]

  what do you get when you get what you pay for and how to interact with iTunes [TS]

  Match your files like the confusion at like well when if you just have a music [TS]

  can imagine you track it down syndrom version of iTunes Match down with an [TS]

  Undie Run version that but if you enable iTunes Match will you so that you can [TS]

  match against things to get the Nandi reminder not subscribe like it is [TS]

  actually pretty darn complicated like I think what you're saying is the benefits [TS]

  are there like that didn't do a good job of explaining what the benefits are but [TS]

  I think the product offering and the touch points of like how do I use our [TS]

  music how do I use it on my Mac OS device what do I get when I pay our [TS]

  money how can access the things that I got that is just as mental models the [TS]

  presentation underneath it all once you start figuring out where everything is [TS]

  the actual benefits oh now I can listen to music that I like or discover new [TS]

  music that seems to be good but I think the bed with you know it is not the [TS]

  clean sheet approach that that photos talk conceptually or software wise and [TS]

  that i think is actually reflection of their poorly explained at that time [TS]

  not finalized deal for all their music with all their products so I think [TS]

  there's there's work to do that and that may I think it will slow adoption [TS]

  doesn't do metal music to a ping like death [TS]

  basically you could say it pretty much anything that Apple does with music just [TS]

  because of that Apple doing it has a very high chance of succeeding paying is [TS]

  the counter example because that wasn't really about music but like a music [TS]

  streaming services thing Apple is not the inventor of that thing there late to [TS]

  the game because it is a thing any streaming service that Apple does they [TS]

  had tried pretty hard not to end up being a major player couple of years [TS]

  down the road [TS]

  though the complexity of this product offering and the weirdness of the [TS]

  presentation and the difficulty of getting understanding what you're [TS]

  getting [TS]

  I think we'll only potentially slow adoption but in the end [TS]

  streaming services of thing that people want and I'll has one and if you [TS]

  actually find your way to start using it seems like people think it's pretty cool [TS]

  so I would project reasonable success for this thing over the next few years [TS]

  unless Apple really dropped the ball somehow alright thanks to our three [TS]

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  gotta talk about Safari Miami need for next week but a feeling that a lot of [TS]

  things said about a non-toxic orkut I thought it was going to be quick and I [TS]

  was more than happy to entertain and if it's going to be quite no I don't think [TS]

  it's gonna I don't think it's going to be quick as I have a lot of things to [TS]

  say about it [TS]

  yeah me too standards people with the worst non-standard people's what I want [TS]

  Wow left-handed people that means I guess I don't know lefty slam that one [TS]

  marginalized groups are still not to slam in america Hayes was in Florida [TS]

  last week and holy crap is it hot there so you went to Florida in July in June [TS]

  in Late Late Late you what what did possess you to go to Florida in late [TS]

  June I'm gonna be going on this summer to its gonna be just as bad [TS]

  guess so good friend of mine was getting married and in so we decided to go down [TS]

  the week prior [TS]

  well like the beginning of the week that he got married and we went visited [TS]

  family and then spent two days in Disney World with Declan which was less of a [TS]

  disaster than I thought it would be and then did the wedding thing but holy hell [TS]

  you know on paper I think it was approximately the same temperature [TS]

  although the humidity in florida is about 11 billion per cent and I don't [TS]

  know if it's just a mental thing because it's not my weather and so I am less [TS]

  tolerant of it but one way or another hot I would be outside for literally 45 [TS]

  seconds that starts what now is it possible I don't know scientifically but [TS]

  is it possible to have a super saturation of humidity where you can [TS]

  actually exceed 200 percent in Florida just dust goes into the area like a [TS]

  nucleation site and just water drops out of the air into the ground that's called [TS]

  brain you're literally in a cloud [TS]

  I guess bod so I guess these all have things already but let's learn about the [TS]

  dew point kids yeah so so how was I was traveling with Declan it was fine [TS]

  the plane was fine traveling with driving with an infant requires you [TS]

  travel with a bunch of crap we counted I believe it was nine different items we [TS]

  were looking through the airport there was the stroller the car seat easy [TS]

  breast pump the diaper bag errands backpack my travel bag two suitcases rap [TS]

  there's one other thing oh a portable pack n play oh my god yeah that's it [TS]

  this is a large set of objects so how many things that you actually carry on [TS]

  playing with you check the bags and stuff so your brain on to claim no I [TS]

  checked one back here in time to plan the car seat [TS]

  the baby stroller to pack and play gate check this stroller correctly gate check [TS]

  the stroller and carseat he was and the car seat you didn't get the the lovely [TS]

  experience of having to install car seats while everyone else in the plane's [TS]

  there's the back your head with yours correct yes so what is the deal it is it [TS]

  is it required not if he's under 20 need you love your children now they say for [TS]

  like burger babies of a certain size that I think they have them on your lap [TS]

  under two I believe it is maybe it maybe that's wrong but if he was considered a [TS]

  lap infant he still had a boarding pass which isn't entirely surprising but I [TS]

  was a little bit surprised by but the boarding pass had no seat on it it just [TS]

  seemed like something was he allowed to keep it in his pocket when he went [TS]

  through the scanner well we actually this is my first time using pre check [TS]

  and recheck was pretty cool does he have PreCheck yes because he rides on our [TS]

  PreCheck he does not however have his own Global Entry so we need to file for [TS]

  that shortly so when is so when he's too old to be a lap infant in like two years [TS]

  or whatever [TS]

  yeah can you erin go through PreCheck or like yes he gets it until he's like 18 [TS]

  or something like that are quite a bit older than he is right now [TS]

  ok that's good so that the car she said we've we have not flown with Adam yet [TS]

  and one of the reasons why is that is that I heard on various I believe it was [TS]

  your daily Alexis forever ago [TS]

  Lexus accounts of traveling with kids in car seats on planes and it just sounds [TS]

  awful I think we need to two kids to car said maybe we never did to my wife [TS]

  called the correct me but anyway the the struggle of like car seat as big as have [TS]

  you would ever like the real problem is getting it installed in to see what the [TS]

  fuck alone getting it out again I can give you haven't listened to the [TS]

  episodes of this car under the year [TS]

  reference and relax but you know and they showed little demo of like lift the [TS]

  flap and the little things goes into you know the card you know how the house [TS]

  seat belts work on plans right yeah you don't really pay much attention to that [TS]

  be like whatever happened click it and when I want to get out and let the [TS]

  buckle when you're bringing the car seat on the plane like I guess some people [TS]

  who don't even buckle attended all be displayed on the sea but the baby and [TS]

  that's done which doesn't make much sense to me because this is your entire [TS]

  baby and the car seat hurdling up to the ceiling interviewing you really should [TS]

  be buckling because CNN and you want to do this quickly because everyone is [TS]

  behind you you know wanting to get through and you've got your whole family [TS]

  block and the island all the crap everywhere especially if you have two [TS]

  seats and the kids are screaming and everything right so you try to buckle of [TS]

  the c10 by taking the seat fishing it through whatever stupid thing you're [TS]

  fishing it through you know behind the seat clicking in N Things tight-knit [TS]

  good but the baby and you're done you think like we did it [TS]

  when it comes time to unbuckle that especially if you're a crazy parent who [TS]

  like pulls it really takes us to really take it you've been pretty trained by [TS]

  like to be able to fire department told you how to put your car seat into your [TS]

  car you pull it really tight when it's time to get off the plane and your [TS]

  patiently waiting and everything you like why don't discount the seat until [TS]

  ready to go but someone's gotta pick up the impending I gotta take out the seed [TS]

  in whatever you go there and you realize i cant lift the flap because the flap is [TS]

  hard against the back of the plastic seat that I just time down but how do I [TS]

  get this thing unbuckled and now you're like trouble again the kids are [TS]

  screaming ever upset you just wanna get off this plane and you can't lift the [TS]

  flap because this basis so you tell you face the flap away from the seat when [TS]

  you tighten it is not probably the natural way you gon do it because if you [TS]

  think about it is overlap the flap his face it would be facing the back face [TS]

  the flap the other way otherwise you'll be super set out of curiosity how how [TS]

  was that resolved it was resolved with with anger and muscles if you can [TS]

  imagine [TS]

  melt away from the seat and then pull it away as hard as you can try to make a [TS]

  gap and then shove your hand in there to push me you got a lift the flap is not [TS]

  coming off unless that flap goes up so you basically have to as hard as you [TS]

  tighten it I hope you didn't I disheartened you could you have to have [TS]

  little bit more leverage like pull the strap away from the back seat and push [TS]

  that little lever up just enough of a releases and you know it goes shooting [TS]

  out side of the seat probably put the home side of the plane at Spring that [TS]

  and then you release the speed and in my case put it into a giant bag that goes [TS]

  on your back like the old woman from labyrinth the movie the new one of you [TS]

  has seen from Lou [TS]

  with David Bowie that won the junk lady she's got a million things on her back [TS]

  to start putting into her colleagues back to social become a lunch ladies [TS]

  will anyway when you have a car seat on your back and rolling thing and the kid [TS]

  and all the other crap you feel like that lady but we did eventually get the [TS]

  sea off the plane and I've done several airplane flights with car seats and at [TS]

  no point was that easy but a few tips and a little experience can be easier [TS]

  also don't bring the babies they scream all the time [TS]