The Accidental Tech Podcast

126: The Web Kind of Happens to You


  John house renovation going let's go and a bunch of stuff is done about the stuff [TS]

  still needs to be done sometimes it rains description of life is that Glee [TS]

  and now I'm just trying to now like made my peace with with the fact that things [TS]

  are not done to my standards and it's like just you know just let it go its [TS]

  fine have you met a human being much less a contractor that can complete [TS]

  anything the air standards like how does that go for you at work I allow myself [TS]

  to do some amount of nagging and some amount of asking for things to be redone [TS]

  in a better way but a certain point yet to be like looked at it is what it is [TS]

  go forward Friday they do in the front door thanks that'll that'll be that [TS]

  involves a lot of potential detail work and a lot of potential for me to be [TS]

  disappointed in what ends up happening that's the way you look at this is there [TS]

  not a lot of potential for you to be delighted it's a lot of potential for [TS]

  you to be disappointed now forget about too late and then and then finally like [TS]

  painting at the end I'm hoping even the painting I'm like I like you know well [TS]

  the prep work be done to my satisfaction almost certainly not like you can cause [TS]

  they're not stripping all the paint off just wanna paint the trim get out of [TS]

  there but I wanted you know demands [TS]

  really had no idea I mean as nice as well like I i just i cant imagine being [TS]

  you know you have things still beats up big time you know sometimes you make a [TS]

  cut in the wrong spot sometimes something isn't square when it should be [TS]

  sometimes corners don't meet up the way it's supposed to anybody can look at [TS]

  them to see if that's not right [TS]

  is the question of the body you and sometimes you just gotta just you know [TS]

  just letting go and just be like I write whatever anyway I'm very particular how [TS]

  does this work out for you at work [TS]

  given that you're so particular how do you how do you continue to have [TS]

  co-workers or do you just do everything single-handedly programming [TS]

  israeli particular to just does whatever you know you have to really get it [TS]

  exactly right that you don't you don't work so you won't talk about Safari [TS]

  being the new IE some more nope there were actually a couple things about that [TS]

  I wanted to get to this week we should have been in the follow-up then see how [TS]

  easy it is for those who are listening Marco Marco just typed into the show [TS]

  notes in the very first entry of the follow-up section safari is the new I EF [TS]

  you yes so you don't need only the FU because it's in that section as we're [TS]

  done john has deleted the letters a few min then added a sublet Marco talks yet [TS]

  so since I will blindly read the document it appears Marco that we have [TS]

  some follow-up with regard to safaris new ie would you like to tell us about [TS]

  that yeah sure first of all we did get a good email actually just like an hour [TS]

  ago from somebody Lauren who says don't be so dismissive of web applications I [TS]

  work in ocean freight my job involves using a wide variety of web apps almost [TS]

  exclusively here she doesn't list a whole bunch of different things that are [TS]

  all like I believe these are these would be called line of business applications [TS]

  that is that a fair judgement of all the stuff to talk about how like you know [TS]

  they're on Windows machines they use this like internal tracking app to do [TS]

  well as other stuff and also talking about things like you know the general [TS]

  public access and government websites and everything so improvements web [TS]

  functionality are very very much appreciated by all this stuff and also [TS]

  I should I be dismissive of web apps and I i think this is this is the perfect [TS]

  example of where cross-platform you know write once run anywhere [TS]

  universal accessibility kind of applications make perfect sense like any [TS]

  kind of line of business thing where you are a bank and your employees have to [TS]

  use a management system from all the different branches to you know conduct [TS]

  business and enter information from customers and check on systems and make [TS]

  that a web app that's great that that is the web is very good at that kind of [TS]

  thing and and I i'm not arguing in whatever I've been reading about this [TS]

  I'm not arguing that the web apps that the web is is useless today or that it [TS]

  has no place in the market only that you know that native absurd replaced quite a [TS]

  lot of it as a probably the new hotness you know the same way like Visual Basic [TS]

  apps for a long time for life business apps before we were really big thing and [TS]

  it was never like a huge you know massive amount of the software business [TS]

  in in like the part that he knew about but it was still like there is big [TS]

  business to be had there really wasn't you know Adobe Photoshop in Visual Basic [TS]

  web apps serve a lot of that same role where there there is a lot of usefulness [TS]

  to them there's tons of of applications to which that is the right choice but [TS]

  most of those are gonna be boring types of things that are you know internal two [TS]

  companies or government websites delegates [TS]

  it's this kind of stuff that there's not a lot of action happening there it [TS]

  doesn't get a lot of consumer attention and if you're launching a new consumer [TS]

  consumer focused service or application that probably isn't the right choice [TS]

  today so that's mostly the ALS coming from and I think the difference is not [TS]

  so much like they're boring or anything to the difference of the customers like [TS]

  individual persons like consumers as they have a different value system then [TS]

  governments really big corporations or whatever caused those large those large [TS]

  entities made up of lots of people there is institutional knowledge there you [TS]

  know no one person has to be smarter wiser house for thought there's a lot of [TS]

  institutional knowledge and [TS]

  there's a lot of experience with this type of thing if you are very large [TS]

  company has been around for any amount of time you've been burned by a vendor [TS]

  whether it's like having [TS]

  based your entire company in Visual Basic and having Microsoft like change [TS]

  things around and having their priorities change your doing everything [TS]

  in Java than having some get bought by Oracle like every big company has been [TS]

  burned by Lotus Notes [TS]

  by some proprietary system under control by a single company and so they kind of [TS]

  they react with different set of criteria they like the most important [TS]

  thing to us is not to get tied down to a single vendor sort of the masters of our [TS]

  own destiny to not let this thing which is supporting thing that helps us run [TS]

  our business do we really want to be super tired and I said let us know [TS]

  stadium are they're trustworthy partner are their priorities aligned with our [TS]

  priorities or they just trying to sell us something like getting entangled with [TS]

  other big companies and making your company's fate will lie in some of the [TS]

  company's phase is something they want to avoid so big companies are very [TS]

  incentivize to find a solution that they give them options so you do it that you [TS]

  do on the web doesn't mean you have to develop you have to like it might rain [TS]

  all users from my browser to another and things are going to break maybe did [TS]

  everything and I six of ActiveX controls you realize you actually kind of tired [TS]

  anyway or whatever but that is a very different value system that consumers [TS]

  individual consumers are not making the judgments like I don't want most of them [TS]

  in the we know the people who are like I don't want to tell myself to one company [TS]

  vast majority of individual consumers just don't think that way just like is [TS]

  it easy to use and understand it is a nice is it can be mean is it popular [TS]

  have heard about it so on and so forth so that i think is the biggest [TS]

  difference in his not so much the things they're using a more or less boring than [TS]

  consumer applications because sometimes they really interesting and [TS]

  sophisticated depending on like you know the business there in an uneven things [TS]

  like government like government stuff I guess it's kind of boring by definition [TS]

  but be super important so much government stuff is moved to the web as [TS]

  opposed to moving to Visual Basic applications or whatever [TS]

  sure every part of the government probably went through that phase [TS]

  Microsoft did convince them that light oh yeah I know if you do this [TS]

  everyone has a Windows PC and it will be fine in the government loans like that's [TS]

  not a great plan it right so I think that the heavily influences the value of [TS]

  a solution based on like what your criteria and I think Marcos is right [TS]

  that like you know all the people who complain about mark I don't think anyone [TS]

  denied the overall trend like you know and he said i shud we had visited web [TS]

  2.0 phase where the consumer-facing sort of interesting things that got written [TS]

  about their interesting to individuals with all a new website a new fancy [TS]

  website and we're in sort of the a barrel of things that we read about our [TS]

  apps and maybe ten years now it'll be something else like that is definitely [TS]

  something that's going through a transition in a cycle and a trend but [TS]

  the web stuff the value it has two large entities and to anyone who doesn't want [TS]

  you pitch their star to some other company whose interests may or may not [TS]

  be aligned with them [TS]

  continues to be a viable things like it I don't think anyone saying the web is [TS]

  going to go away at the web the web will probably be allowed around as long as [TS]

  email because like one something goes out there is widespread as the web and [TS]

  that is as the centralized is the web lots of people are incentivized to keep [TS]

  that being a thing like if it's something the web to include all [TS]

  consumers are using absurd ever many large entities and companies and [TS]

  governments and everything are highly incentivized to make the web still be a [TS]

  thing because they don't want to be you know can you imagine the chapel the only [TS]

  game in town [TS]

  did not want to do with the enterprise wants to do enterprise zone thing that [TS]

  mean Apple getting that role would be the worst for everybody including Apple [TS]

  wouldn't take whatever you can figure out how to use it like that they'd do [TS]

  you know they have the corporate thing you could send you can you can push this [TS]

  application to all your employees and IBM wants to make iPad apps for [TS]

  everybody right now they're they're moving in that direction but I have to [TS]

  think that you know it's the same thing as good as IBM's [TS]

  iPad apps maybe I'm not saying it's a bad solution for everybody if you have [TS]

  some factory and they can give all your employees iPad news application to run [TS]

  your business that's probably good but there's a there's a ticking time bomb [TS]

  like this time limit on that at some point in their iPads are going to be a [TS]

  thing [TS]

  apples I can be a thing that I was not going to thing you're absolutely run in [TS]

  the new version of the OS like it's just a matter of time whereas the web you [TS]

  know no one can know one's decisions can you make your laptop working either you [TS]

  just know that I am signing up to keep my way up to working year after year [TS]

  after year but hopefully that will not be as drastic as like you know 5 p.m. [TS]

  totally change of strategy or the apple IBM partnership goes away or the sides [TS]

  of the not making iPads anymore because they can't sell them and they're doing [TS]

  everything it to be our goggles or whatever and all and most of these web [TS]

  standards that are pushing the envelope now are things that this massive class [TS]

  of applications generally doesn't really need i mean that isn't to say they can [TS]

  be made better by them but much of the time they actually can't well it's a [TS]

  leading into here like these techniques technologies are not going to be [TS]

  relevant to the enterprise for many many years the only thing ever becomes [TS]

  relevant to the enterprise is it's been around for many many years and [TS]

  everyone's implemented this is the third and implementation and every web browser [TS]

  that's ok now finally had to prime it took so long just to get out by six like [TS]

  the longest time of the other guy six I don't care and while that was going on [TS]

  every other browsers getting better and better and better so when I six miles [TS]

  away mostly because Microsoft you know sort of killed itself I realize it at [TS]

  the start moving again everybody else had you know technologies that had been [TS]

  worked out in the market for so many years that by the time the enterprise [TS]

  woke up and install the guys that and I aid or maybe gay people Chrome or [TS]

  Firefox or something but wow look at all these great new website where did this [TS]

  come from well it had been developing the whole time when you were stuck and I [TS]

  so I think all this this this web tech guy was not relevant to current [TS]

  enterprise apps it's gonna be relevant enterprise out in five years if any of [TS]

  these things actually gained widespread adoption I that's sort of true says I'm [TS]

  glad you brought up by a six because the someone who writes [TS]

  websites for other companies for a living I i dont i dont markets [TS]

  characterization wanna business apps on the web [TS]

  earlier was a hundred percent the way I see it the reason I see companies [TS]

  deploying line of business apps to the web is because of easy deployment not [TS]

  necessarily because the technology of the web in and of itself is superior in [TS]

  so I cannot tell you the amount of times that up until very recently like you [TS]

  were saying John we would be asked to do a website either internally can't run at [TS]

  or sometimes a public website and we would ask ok well what are the best [TS]

  browser requirements well the most modern version of Firefox +1 back the [TS]

  most modern version of from +1 back and the most modern version of Safari +1 [TS]

  back all the way back to I six why [TS]

  well you don't understand all of our computers are standard billed for all of [TS]

  our computers is still rocking I 6 because our security department has [TS]

  approved I S seven through 14 or whatever they're on now so yeah you have [TS]

  to make this work on I 62 [TS]

  so I think the reason they do this is because they want to have a way [TS]

  businesses want to have a way to very easily deploy software to their users [TS]

  particularly line of business software and so the easiest way to deploy that [TS]

  software is to not really deployed at all and just put it on a web server and [TS]

  tell people go to this URL and does that's why we were always targeting I 6 [TS]

  longest time is because all of these standard builds on all these computers [TS]

  were on ancient versions of IE and typically Windows XP sometimes even [TS]

  today and so because of that we would have to support these old versions of [TS]

  i'd of IE and all of that was about deployment it that it's not about being [TS]

  available everywhere in the sense that the web is available everywhere that [TS]

  played it makes sense what i'm saying is it was just about getting this software [TS]

  onto their users machines and the easiest way to do that is to put it on [TS]

  the web and target whatever browser they're using that's why all these old [TS]

  government websites like you were saying John all target I six if that's what the [TS]

  government was using and why all of these old websites reason active [TS]

  controls and then again you you for that privilege on all of this stuff was [TS]

  because the only thing that these companies cared about was the stuff that [TS]

  they themselves were using and so there was no incentive to make it better for [TS]

  anyone else except except very recently when they started to realize well having [TS]

  a really crappy website that's kind of a detriment we should really pay attention [TS]

  that stuff then move slower but like I mean I I'm assuming you're right now you [TS]

  see far fewer instances because Microsoft is moving like they're they're [TS]

  they're killing it as best they can therefore installing a new versions of [TS]

  IE stopping support of all this is that could run I L they're trying to kill [TS]

  seven and eight and a nice ass they can as well so Microsoft is moving again [TS]

  that people are going to have to catch up but yeah they're like it's the same [TS]

  reason we don't neglect the internet software frequently companies are not [TS]

  incentivized to make their interests good so does move slower doesn't mean [TS]

  that it's never gonna get better doesn't mean that like it just means that for a [TS]

  really long time everyone else's web apps are going to be way better than [TS]

  yours cuz no one cares about the internet but it is certain point just [TS]

  becomes embarrassing ridiculous and it's some some executive somewhere is going [TS]

  to realize they can get a lot of points by making everyone in the company better [TS]

  bring their their internet site or their line of business web application up to [TS]

  the standards of five years ago ten years ago never be like wow this is so [TS]

  much better because it will be because they'll stop using you know ActiveX [TS]

  controls in frames and whatever the hell they using their internet site so that's [TS]

  that's a slow motion type of thing but they could just as easily be using be [TS]

  deploying everything as Java applets or maybe it's because they do control both [TS]

  ends but they could do all sorts of crazy things like you know they could do [TS]

  a Citrix thing running Windows that you can act like enterprise is going to do [TS]

  it because they can try both and it's not like they had to say we just need to [TS]

  be available everywhere anita Blonde is lots of things that companies will tell [TS]

  you that are you don't have to install any software people just click this icon [TS]

  on the desktop and then get your app and it automatically up-to-date doesn't have [TS]

  to be the web but I like to think that enough companies have been burned by the [TS]

  proprietary solutions now that the web has a certain appeal that the other [TS]

  solutions down and even going so far as to say [TS]

  the web and also nothing like ActiveX in the web like we're not going to do [TS]

  everything and flashlight into everything Adobe AIR when I can you do [TS]

  it and ActiveX because we've learned that is a mistake we're just going to [TS]

  stick to plain old web it's good enough for you know everything else we do on [TS]

  the web as consumers our site will be crap here it will be older it will be a [TS]

  clear but it won't be bumpy based on anything that we have to pay like an [TS]

  annual fee to some other enterprises company for LSU running everything else [TS]

  I'm sorry that's my everyday John asked me what our internet is at our company [TS]

  that among other things does internets for other companies that match your [TS]

  point what version John I have no idea I don't know I don't try to go to a [TS]

  SharePoint site and even though there were versions like it is it doing years [TS]

  for SharePoint 2013 keep tellin holding goes back to 2007 but we are mostly on [TS]

  2010 it this is in the year 2015 that's that's pretty good but is usually [TS]

  Microsoft standards like was the version 2010 actually true 2009 like our model [TS]

  years I think that's true I don't remember off top my head I totally [TS]

  understand what you're asking I don't recall I do believe 2013 was introduced [TS]

  in 2013 and and as with all things you know since your point 2007 was I think [TS]

  that having my nails ripped out would have been a more pleasurable than coding [TS]

  for SharePoint 2007 SharePoint 2010 in three years [TS]

  made it barely livable enough that I didn't immediately quit my job Wednesday [TS]

  said Oh you have a SharePoint 2010 project to do and supposedly 2013 is [TS]

  decent so I hear from the people that do SharePoint all the time it's a desktop [TS]

  Linux it's always getting better it's always getting better now our first [TS]

  bunch of this week I am NOT I'm actually serious this is not a joke our first [TS]

  bunches week is a global nice a clue is an internet you will actually look igloo [TS]

  lets you share news organization files coordinate calendars and manage projects [TS]

  all in one place and in that place is not SharePoint igloo software dot com [TS]

  slash ATP now [TS]

  now you are probably at your job you the public and OKC and John this is true for [TS]

  you your internet is probably something terrible it's probably built on [TS]

  SharePoint or something like that [TS]

  the role of internets out there is a pretty rough except for a clue a clue [TS]

  really takes the best of the modern consumer web technologies and brings [TS]

  them into a corporate safe Internet private environment and so you can have [TS]

  things like twitter-like microblogging and annotations on court you know court [TS]

  document editing and stuff like that you can do all this stuff right inside of [TS]

  your internet in your company privately for you they have a huge upgrade our [TS]

  recently that revolves around document tracking how you interact with documents [TS]

  you gather feedback you can use track changes comment on people's stuff they [TS]

  can get now somebody wrote in last time I talked about read receipts for [TS]

  documents and it's supposed to be read receipts is that which one must be [TS]

  saying here I think I would have said read but I flip-flopped back and forth [TS]

  ok well whether it's read receipts or read receipts igloo offers read read [TS]

  receipts on documents so that you can do things like you can you can make sure [TS]

  that that certain recipients have read and acknowledge new policies are [TS]

  disclosures any kind of you know handbook I think this is this is often [TS]

  useful for a char purposes regulatory system that all these things companies [TS]

  that are real companies unlike what I do have to actually deal with it you can [TS]

  also just you can do an amazing amount of functionality it with a glue things [TS]

  like you know I wasn't doing anything in documents all of that is built on html5 [TS]

  there is no flash it's not it's not Java there's no plugins it is all a 2005 and [TS]

  so this allows you to work with all that functionality of viewing editing Office [TS]

  documents to fight at all the tracking all the microblogging all of that works [TS]

  on mobile devices on every device so that even they even make it work on [TS]

  blackberrys it works on everything and everything is fully responsive so all in [TS]

  all the way out of work on any screen size new screens come out already works [TS]

  and they also you can customize your igloo internet to you know give it [TS]

  whatever design you want if the marketing department wants their own [TS]

  color scheme they can have it [TS]

  it does all that for you sign up for a free trial today at a clue software dot [TS]

  com slash ATT and if you have a group that is 10 or fewer people it's actually [TS]

  free indefinitely forever give it a try to also a free trial so even if you have [TS]

  a bigger group give it a try free trial no reason not to if your company has a [TS]

  legacy internet was like it was built in the nineties or in quote 2010 you should [TS]

  definitely give a clue ate fried egg blue software dot com slash ATP thanks [TS]

  to a club sponsor and once again every other people think this was like plan [TS]

  like we let into this for the internet talk you do not understand the show [TS]

  works now we are not that deliberate vastly overestimate the organization [TS]

  speaking of organization one more thing I want to talk about websites I don't [TS]

  think deserve all of the abilities of native apps for one key reason there is [TS]

  no a preview for websites and you frequently visit websites accidentally [TS]

  or without opting into certain behavior the web kind of happens to you at your [TS]

  browsing around you click a link you know where it's going and so this this [TS]

  link opens up and whatever PGA open is now executing code you know on your [TS]

  computer not pulling out native code but it can whatever websites can do they can [TS]

  do to people who didn't opt in [TS]

  who didn't even choose you know what I want to go to this website could they [TS]

  could be following a link or could even be a script running on somebody else's [TS]

  page or an iframe embed it on someone else's page is all these considerations [TS]

  you have to have way tighter security for web stuff and you have to have much [TS]

  stronger restrictions and environment like that I S we're absolutely his [TS]

  review process which I know is controversial but I think even though it [TS]

  is imperfect I think it is definitely a net win you know ask missus review [TS]

  process and that's great for consumers because so much crap is it we are [TS]

  protected from don't think the iOS philosophy is the reverse of that the [TS]

  idea that apps should have the same restrictions as websites not their [TS]

  website should be restricted [TS]

  apps because he used to be asking do anything in their website Circuit held [TS]

  in a little box and the iOS version is what about her own apps to their sandbox [TS]

  you can't do those things the kinkajou location date unless they ask they have [TS]

  them title review process is part of that it seems almost like it taking apps [TS]

  and putting them in a box and websites varies in about another website trying [TS]

  to get out of the box and the apps I don't know they're happy in their little [TS]

  box seems like they're trying to make their bucks bigger too but I they might [TS]

  meet in the middle where you can imagine having a similar set of capabilities [TS]

  with a similar set of restrictions and I can get a mean right now for example the [TS]

  website can get your location data without asking something they built into [TS]

  Safari if they ever did enable any of these like oh you could spawn background [TS]

  jobs are local storage it pops up a dialog was not a perfect system it's not [TS]

  as fancy as absent took a long time for us to even get like the whole you know [TS]

  managing app notifications and Absa storage and which and can use my [TS]

  location when I'm in the app when I'm not in the App it seems like the [TS]

  controls for both of these things about the web and the apps are evolving that [TS]

  after way ahead with the sophistication of the controls on stuff and that's what [TS]

  you rob unless you like you can't do this because that's the controls are in [TS]

  place to place you can go into settings to decide which website can do what in [TS]

  whatever but already the websites are pretty well confined and I was one of [TS]

  the complaints like oh I don't want to pop up that I will absolutely part of [TS]

  dollars on a special occasion do but guess what they have to like this I [TS]

  think we're figuring out you know even though you opt into downloading apps [TS]

  they're figuring out how to contain software that's actually topic ever get [TS]

  20 capitan review stuff how to contain software in a safe way and you know the [TS]

  web started out well [TS]

  much more contain the native apps and at this point the sophistication of how to [TS]

  contain apps on iOS is well ahead of where it has 4 beds yeah also one issue [TS]

  that we heard from a few people on which is it worth discussing is browser choice [TS]

  on iOS and so this is a this is a a bit of a multi-faceted issue there there's [TS]

  two main problems that people have it on the desktop you can write a browser [TS]

  using any rendering engine you want [TS]

  and you can ship it to people that sit on iOS that is actually forbidden and [TS]

  iOS you you are not allowed to render web content with anything other than the [TS]

  built in WebKit and so chrome for instance I mean let's be honest when [TS]

  everybody says we want brother Trevor I was what they're really saying and want [TS]

  chrome to be better on iOS and there there is a lot of things like its Safari [TS]

  dragged its feet on implementing some new standard chances are also won't have [TS]

  it because it's it that part of the rendering engine that's it's sharing [TS]

  from the system that's one problem the other problem is that on the desktop you [TS]

  can set your default browser are you default mail client are your default [TS]

  calendar app iOS does not have the concept of default apps for these types [TS]

  of things so and iOS the default app is always the built-in system app for this [TS]

  kinda for this kind of rules and so you can't say if I click a link in an email [TS]

  message open it up in chrome automatically you can't do that it'll [TS]

  it'll always open up in the system default browser of Safari first and you [TS]

  know anything that I just calls OpenURL on Iran's web URL same thing you'll just [TS]

  open up in Safari even if you use that's one of the things that we didn't get an [TS]

  ISA they were still waiting for by the way yet and and so i'm i'm curious like [TS]

  you know on the desktop we have that system and it pretty much works fine I'm [TS]

  curious though what would be the reasons and iOS to never bring that over like at [TS]

  this point it seemed that that might be a conscious decision that they're just [TS]

  not doing and i can think of a few reasons for Apple point of view [TS]

  why not one of the biggest to me i mean you know you can you can argue things [TS]

  like security and everything those those are weak arguments once we have proper [TS]

  technological sandboxing in place as we just discussed but what about the web [TS]

  renderings like JavaScript I think its security still down a reason for [TS]

  JavaScript because of the incredible contortions they go through to get Plano [TS]

  JavaScript to run quickly with all just-in-time compilers and they [TS]

  basically are turning in its native code and if you can exploit that that engine [TS]

  you know that's because like you said you will be redirected to websites and [TS]

  once if someone finds an express exploit where they can somehow send up a load in [TS]

  a web page that confuses the the JavaScript engine and some third-party [TS]

  browser and causes you know code execution or the bases have to say like [TS]

  they do now [TS]

  third-party web radio and you can make your own web browser fun but you can't [TS]

  you can't do we do with our jobs dependent so basically you're doing [TS]

  every job engine to be slow except for ours we get to do the fancy [TS]

  insecure potentially insecure thing but it's just one of that and we fix the [TS]

  bugs no one else can make one in fact you can even interpreting let's do [TS]

  interpreters writing separately or whatever games you know so I think [TS]

  security is still potentially an issue for stupid slow JavaScript they try to [TS]

  make that your choices like that I don't think you're allowed to have interpreted [TS]

  remember the exact rules but I think security still a reasonable answer for [TS]

  the web browser but I would set aside the web browser and pick my pet peeve is [TS]

  a quite different fault email application I don't want to use Apple [TS]

  Mail I don't want to answer any accounts there yet every single application want [TS]

  to send mails and me to that account email does not seem like something in [TS]

  the just-in-time compiler assumed it was just a nap just to find a protocol that [TS]

  people have a third-party application for the email side you lose the security [TS]

  reasons and I think your security reason there is a very good and there's a huge [TS]

  misconception that chrome is not allowed to be as fast as Safari that used to be [TS]

  the case that's not been the cases a year ago at least when every one of you [TS]

  is it anyway to use Apple's [TS]

  points using Apple's engine straight up right bulldoze was just before there was [TS]

  only UIWebView wouldn't do the job thing as it was in process [TS]

  wk webview is way more restricted from from what the afternoon can access like [TS]

  if you have a font loaded in your at you I web you'll show it [TS]

  wk with you won't because it doesn't have access cuz it's raining it's [TS]

  raining out a process that's why that's why it's allowing you to have that [TS]

  native jobs accomplished because all the stuff is happening in their web you is [TS]

  not happening in your ass process because part parsing funds that have a [TS]

  legal values in them apparently [TS]

  a terrible security all you find a good did you see that article today of Lehi [TS]

  Utah the headline so bad so but you know for male clients they don't have that [TS]

  kind of thing you're right there is a cost now clients integration so one of [TS]

  the iOS API is is to to show a male compose sheet in a nap so to put up a [TS]

  sheet when somebody says shared channel never put up a sheet that you can pre [TS]

  populate the subject you can add attachments you all the stuff that you [TS]

  know you can do some of that with a mail to the subject but you can't do much [TS]

  what the attachments and body inside that very easily with mail to URL so I [TS]

  some of that they actually wouldn't be able to do if there was a choice so you [TS]

  can you can see areas like that where there is like some reason where you can [TS]

  say well for integration reasons it would kind of suck if the if the if the [TS]

  system API would only work if their default mail client was the nail was a [TS]

  lab have to define like you know to be to be conformant you know suitable like [TS]

  this they're not going to like the same pipe dream is saying I would like to [TS]

  replace the Finder I just tell me what sort of Apple event I have to respond to [TS]

  to be a comment find a replacement [TS]

  you know like maybe it's much more limited like to just you could you could [TS]

  dictate you could pretty well dictate please you know respond to these [TS]

  messages support this API support 20 per like whatever the Apple wants to do to [TS]

  do be a full-fledged Mail app replacement you know mail apps [TS]

  applications would conform to cause it shouldn't be too onerous but leave [TS]

  something for I was 15 or whatever they wouldn't do and I think it like it was [TS]

  so dazzled nobody cared that didn't do the picture to fall down and they might [TS]

  do that in the future i mean you saw this really could but the more I look at [TS]

  this like it is also there's issues of first of all this competitive issues you [TS]

  know obviously when people say I want to shoot me an email app they're not [TS]

  looking to choose eudora they're looking to choose gmail like it and when they [TS]

  see my own browser they're looking at chrome like this is all Google stuff [TS]

  they want to switch to then the hit that is not I'm sure that was not lost on [TS]

  Apple could be out [TS]

  look like Microsoft Outlook yeah yeah whatever that that used to be and I just [TS]

  reading injury there is saying you know outlook for iOS is the best email client [TS]

  that it may very well be because Google Gmail client for I was not that great [TS]

  but like because you again because the emails more less an open protocol [TS]

  because so far [TS]

  gmail supports IMAP and POP there is hot and so that's why you can have a [TS]

  different email client because the emails in November call and you don't [TS]

  need to exchange where you can exchange a positive change the port sort of like [TS]

  we're almost there with the mela I don't have to use Apple's applications just [TS]

  that everytime I toppling go down and now that you know the great thing is [TS]

  likely to be four when after all right in their own shares sheets and compose [TS]

  view controller and I don't know I S five maybe the at the apt had to write [TS]

  ok give here's a shared email option use the built-in system thing that is that [TS]

  has all these features all the functionality now everyone's just such [TS]

  as the default shares which includes mail and can also include any other mail [TS]

  after you have installed they have an extension so now the the need for 20 and [TS]

  Mail app is going down as more apps implement these shares sheets that the [TS]

  system share she is now you know you can just plug into that from from any at ya [TS]

  so I can mail to work on web pages but anyway like this she does help it does [TS]

  but there is this still many things the system including parts of Apple's thing [TS]

  that will check into the mail out cuz it's like oh you want to send an email [TS]

  and you know it just shaded areas is more democratic process that's true if [TS]

  only you would remember without a drag the icon says on the video to [TS]

  responsible [TS]

  here's the thing about that the whole like it doesn't take much to make people [TS]

  give up trying to arrange like you know those special things good springboard [TS]

  into remember where you put your icons and no one would arrange their homes but [TS]

  it does so you do care she was supposed to remember where you put things and [TS]

  everyone drag them around when they first got the ability to do it and then [TS]

  realize it doesn't keep track of what you doing them to everyone just gave up [TS]

  and I haven't tried it again either I have just given up right and so maybe 19 [TS]

  comes out and give it one more try but [TS]

  it it's very easy to be discouraged like I spent time thinking about what should [TS]

  be the first second and third one of this year's sheet and then I realized [TS]

  the next time it comes up it scramble to get I'm not I'm never gonna try like [TS]

  well that was a waste of my time [TS]

  yeah they tell us about trim finally our first real follow of topic why does it [TS]

  take so long and landmark about things and that's what happens if Eric Gordon [TS]

  said to tell us about trimming I sees it as another way that as these can deal [TS]

  with not knowing which space has been freed up and knowing what things can be [TS]

  raised and that's over preside over a provisioning over four innings something [TS]

  I think I was due to some degree when you buy a system like 500 gigs you don't [TS]

  get a bunch of chips in there that are 500 gigs you get more than that that's [TS]

  her variety of reasons one the cells were out of use them alot so you have to [TS]

  some extras leftover occurs when you wear out a section of them are able to [TS]

  or now but I can have these new ones here that are fresh and the part of the [TS]

  farmers are doing is we're leveling try to wear them out evenly or whatever but [TS]

  the other thing you can do with our prison especially if it's massively over [TS]

  president like 20 or 30 percent over provisionally the clinical [TS]

  enterprise-class SSDs are in the you can use that empty space and then when the [TS]

  drive is idle you can just sort of shift things around and compact them and as it [TS]

  shift things around compaq's on make larger regions where the world knows [TS]

  that there's nothing because it has moved everything from the space into [TS]

  another space like even the drive is quote unquote flow there still is empty [TS]

  block where you can move things around and that empty block you can erase [TS]

  because you know you just moved everything out of it and then that's the [TS]

  whole point we didn't get into this is the first time that tribal areas of dr. [TS]

  Mike two times and haven't gone over this like it is slower to write to an [TS]

  area of it as a city that has that has to be erased first that you don't know [TS]

  it's not already cleared right now it's much faster to say oh this is already [TS]

  clear I can write to add directly instead of having to copy everything out [TS]

  clear tried everything back plus the little part that you added whatever so [TS]

  you have this big empty region and if i dont time you can shift crap around to [TS]

  make sure that big in the region is always there and it clear that in the [TS]

  region so he knows of some new did a company can read directly to empty [TS]

  region [TS]

  without reading it in and bring it back out or anything that is a win so that is [TS]

  a potential other way to get her to deal with that crime is just just have way [TS]

  more flash memory than you need and then hope you have enough time for the [TS]

  firmware to ship stuff around two to keep a large section of ready-to-go area [TS]

  we corrected quickly and tell us about your egregious there about half life [TS]

  yeah I thought about a few more seconds I would remember they ported to the [TS]

  Source engine awhile back in like in my mind as I well that's not the real have [TS]

  let's just when they ported to the store essentially you don't want there is no [TS]

  game it looks worse than half life is available for the Mac the Source engine [TS]

  you can buy it and steam will put a link in the shots go ahead and play it now [TS]

  fifteen years after the plan I played Counter Strike Counter Strike briefly [TS]

  and I remember thinking it was really hard and I know the whole of the [TS]

  Internet is now judging me and my inability to play games that's fine but [TS]

  I played an inordinate amount of counter-strike when I was in college I [TS]

  played a crapload of counter-strike I loved that game the game but importers [TS]

  to now it's the now is it a spiritual successor as a successor kind of sort of [TS]

  even that I i would i would do the weird way to play counter that I'd like I [TS]

  would just buy like the one really weird gun like the scout sniper rifle that was [TS]

  terrible and just try to get a kill it because that was harder and more [TS]

  interesting to me than just everybody down I don't know I'm a gamer not as bad [TS]

  as I am that's ok I'll be rock and roll and beyond and destiny I don't you keep [TS]

  treating these destiny things and sounds like a bomb made up doesn't like the [TS]

  band from Canada that market ya like it it looks like a Markov generator makes [TS]

  these tweets like I I have no idea what you're talking about [TS]

  yup all these words like I think that's a sentence and I think it's English it's [TS]

  great it's great for Twitter because like bungee makes up all these basically [TS]

  proper nouns makes a ton of proper noun [TS]

  that are very compact everyone knows what you're talking about and that [TS]

  abbreviations of them are also clear but to other people those proper nouns me [TS]

  nothing was just made up for it so it is a high percentage of made up words for [TS]

  sentence that when you tweet about these things I wonder if flight my brain is [TS]

  blue screen of death or something because I cannot compute what you've [TS]

  talked about and then I'm like what they need is happened on the internet that [TS]

  I'm not privy to and then I get all concerned that there's something [TS]

  important that I missing a no no it's not important its just Destiny's [TS]

  there is a potential that if could get into trust me I know it didn't take when [TS]

  I showed her when she was over here but at some point you can wander over into [TS]

  it on her own [TS]

  like with but no one you know putting into her face and just try it like it it [TS]

  has the capacity to suck you in i dont know she is acceptable to happen to have [TS]

  a ps4 happens to be on the way to your house right now you do Amazon same day [TS]

  delivery [TS]

  well so anyway our second bunch of this week is mail route so Miller out what [TS]

  they are is there basically a mail proxy service so you point your MX record of [TS]

  your domain you point that it mail route servers they filter out spam and viruses [TS]

  and then they deliver to your real mail server the filtered out now and so I [TS]

  have man I I have used email services for so long I've tried I tried my own [TS]

  spam filtering solutions I've tried using fast Mills built in ones I use [TS]

  fastballs my host I one set up my own server with SpamAssassin and something [TS]

  that not only were not as easy as never happen none of them were as effective as [TS]

  men are out so TV some idea of how effective this is last week I got a spam [TS]

  message and I noticed because it was so unusual to get ace to get any spam it's [TS]

  not like you still get three or four a day I get zero day it was it was [TS]

  surprising and noticeable that I got one span message that got through that's how [TS]

  good mail route is and by the way I haven't seen one since [TS]

  I i really AM incredibly impressed at how could mail route is I've always [TS]

  heard from Gmail people looking at you to my voice heard from Gmail people that [TS]

  they have the best bank filtering and oh no you never heard that for me it's good [TS]

  but it ain't the best I honestly I can say this is the best I i mean i havent [TS]

  seen gmail but like how do you beat 02116 in months so really I I can't say [TS]

  enough good things about mail route if you are like me and don't want to give [TS]

  Google all of your mail and information and kind of buying that whole ecosystem [TS]

  if you prefer to be non Google for that like I do like I use fast mail it you [TS]

  can use any IM opposed you want the great thing is with mail route you [TS]

  couldn't you can bring world-class spam filtering service to any mail host any [TS]

  any any demand you control and command you own you get email on you can put me [TS]

  out in front of it and really eliminate spam it's incredible how well it works [TS]

  very customizable to you know if you wanna be less aggressive filtering and [TS]

  so I have so they have a thing with you this digest every couple of days [TS]

  whatever whatever you said two of messages they think are probably spam [TS]

  that they had withheld from you but they're not quite sure about and there's [TS]

  a link so you can click to say all right this is fine as fine if they if they [TS]

  catch anything in there almost nothing legitimate ever got caught in there for [TS]

  me and it's great to have it all summarizing one Italy in one email just [TS]

  sent out you know once every couple days so that way I know I'm really not [TS]

  missing anything that even close to legitimate if it if it is important but [TS]

  I don't have to go through this constantly every day and and if it if it [TS]

  does catch something you click the little white let's link and it's never a [TS]

  problem again so it's great I I am very impressive now it is easy to setup [TS]

  reliable and trusted by the largest universities and corporations as well as [TS]

  a bunch of individuals like me they support LDAP Active Directory TLS male [TS]

  begging outbound really everything you want from anybody handling your email so [TS]

  true spam from your life for good [TS]

  go to mail route dotnet / ATP free free trial and he use this link merit that [TS]

  net / ATP you get 10% off the lifetime of your account so 10% off not too [TS]

  the first month or year whatever every month 10% off for the lifetime of your [TS]

  account good to mail route dotnet / ATP thanks love to meet her at room spam and [TS]

  viruses from your life for good [TS]

  alright so now that john has moved away from his beloved iPod Touch because he [TS]

  thought that Apple had abandoned him in the same way they have abandoned him [TS]

  with his god-awful filesystem doing it turns out that things have changed [TS]

  John what happened today they did abandon me that they released new iPods [TS]

  but you know too little too late Apple [TS]

  I wouldn't say to let me for you just talking about me but anyway yeah they [TS]

  were these new and then Steve Travis Smith said [TS]

  confirm this that the new iPods iPod setting come along the model number and [TS]

  the last one with iPod 5 come along what happened I bought six comma one where [TS]

  did that one go [TS]

  that was the seeker on they would help to make new violence that was entirely [TS]

  it was actually a big plan and apple just to get you because you were like [TS]

  this thorn in their side this guy would not buy an iPhone they really cared [TS]

  about that I don't think about why they cannot like I think I have a reason the [TS]

  day [TS]

  skipped if this is true that basically why did they not release an iPod Touch [TS]

  for such a long time why was this big long gap I was the fifth generation iPod [TS]

  Touch and adjust lingered on on while the lingering is like we know that Apple [TS]

  would keep selling a lot of people by biggest like well we're good at making [TS]

  it we know how to make it doesn't change the cost of parts presumably goes down [TS]

  up to a certain point why not keep selling but every time we saw sales [TS]

  numbers that were in any way possible to slice and dice of it you could isolate [TS]

  the iPod Touch numbers they were low they were super duper low you do we know [TS]

  the iPod numbers are going down and the iPod touch was part of that and it's [TS]

  like you know we're not so on iPod touch so I can understand them saying this is [TS]

  a thing we're going to do should we bother making a new iPod Touch like [TS]

  maybe they were making one said she would even bother i'm saying is you [TS]

  could skip sign the current one [TS]

  do we think this new one will bump our numbers enough to be worth the cost of [TS]

  you know changing [TS]

  manufacturing and making marks on Friday we just want this profit margins just [TS]

  keep going up and up again up to a point but most of the inside but I can [TS]

  probably get all the parts that you play so the 5th gen iPod Touch by the time [TS]

  they were done selling it like they dropped the price of little I think but [TS]

  boy then was must have had some great margins in low volume and I guess they [TS]

  did the math and said there's no point in moralizing and releasing an iPod sex [TS]

  scandal 1 because it's not increased our sales enough to offset the you know the [TS]

  difference in cost of parts and everything but I guess they came around [TS]

  and said they found inside look whether or not gonna have a party tomorrow never [TS]

  gonna get phones or it's important for us to have a product in this in this [TS]

  range even if it doesn't sell out of it because it's kind of like an entry you [TS]

  know an entryway proctor young people are gonna get your kids but you know [TS]

  what about in the phone that I think that was the wise choice and so here we [TS]

  have it [TS]

  iPod seven come along with an aide processor in the same form factor as it [TS]

  was before [TS]

  no more little lanyard strap new color is this is sort of the book coming out [TS]

  can I go with the Mac Pro and saying no we still are gonna make it work macro [TS]

  and no we still are gonna make the iPod Touch and it seems like a pretty good I [TS]

  put that train yeah I mean what's interesting is they they shipped it with [TS]

  the aid and a little hint as to why the ship anyway but they shipped it with the [TS]

  eighth and historically with the exception of the very first iPod Touch [TS]

  all the other ones have been a generation behind in their CPU core and [TS]

  in this they shipped the same core just clocked a little bit lower but the same [TS]

  the same CPU as the current iPhone not granted the current iPhone is not gonna [TS]

  be the current iPhone in a few months but this is still significant that [TS]

  everyone expected if they were going to do and iPod update any time soon it [TS]

  would go to maybe the a seven chip and it went to the eighth instead and so [TS]

  that a significant even though it is clocked a little bit lower than the [TS]

  iPhone's metal bands re no ran some tests he said at one point one gigahertz [TS]

  the F 16 is 1.4 so close you know it's granted you know that it's not gonna be [TS]

  as fast as but still for 200 bucks that's really cool I think it makes [TS]

  sense because my prediction is there will be another fairly long gap before [TS]

  this is updated again so it's like this is a product line we're gonna have we [TS]

  think it's important to have this product line let's give it the most [TS]

  longevity possible by sticking essentially last generation chip I know [TS]

  it's the current one now but I guess that market like the new the new phones [TS]

  coming with a nine everything this is kind of like oK we've ramped up on the [TS]

  aid enough that we're not supply constraint for a proxy really care about [TS]

  is another a leftover for the amount of iPod is going to sound pretty similar [TS]

  flagships are going to be a nine anyway so let's give us an 88 that will give it [TS]

  the most possible longevity so we don't have to revise it next year they put in [TS]

  a seven and it would be aging much more rapidly the aid is a big bump up in like [TS]

  maybe gives an extra year next year if you can like let it sit there cause I [TS]

  don't think it's important as important to be updated every single year given [TS]

  sales volume and it's kind of place in the lineup right and so and that's how I [TS]

  think if you think back to why is this product still exists but wasn't updated [TS]

  for three years and I think there's a couple of potential reasons for this [TS]

  number one what you said it really does not sell very well relative to mean it's [TS]

  it's a decent business in it's it's it's like the same thing where people say [TS]

  well if you look at the iPad by itself it's bigger than me down for whatever [TS]

  it's a good business in isolation but compared to Apple's overall business [TS]

  it's a very tiny part of it and so that end and even know compared to Iowa's [TS]

  user I was using numbers like I know it with my appt the usage numbers of iPod [TS]

  touches are just vanishingly small compared to all the iPhones it it almost [TS]

  no one use an iPod Touch for my at and and I think most developing talk to add [TS]

  to its a very similar things now of course it does tend to skew younger kids [TS]

  get them so maybe maybe if you have a team that appeals to kids maybe your [TS]

  number to be different but for the most part it does not sell in large volumes [TS]

  relative to iPhones and iPads and I think another part of me do I they were [TS]

  gonna let it languish for a while and maybe why the six was cancelled the [TS]

  iPhone iPod Touch come along maybe it was cancelled [TS]

  if it existed I think maybe they were trying to see if they could move this [TS]

  system and/or this role in the lineup to the iPad Mini is if you think about like [TS]

  what the iPod Touch is for an iOS device for people who don't have or can't have [TS]

  or just whatever reason are not going to get and I thought and when it was when [TS]

  it was launched there is no iPad now or you know once I'm out that it was very [TS]

  clear that you know a lot of people who would buy an iPod Touch especially young [TS]

  people buying it for kids a lot of that music is moving towards iPads especially [TS]

  for things like games and I think I think what we've seen over the last few [TS]

  years as the iPad kind of petering out or at least leveling off to some degree [TS]

  there and the iPod Touch is still very hot for for that use of kids games and [TS]

  developers test devices to fight that it's very useful for that and and I [TS]

  think maybe maybe they were trying to see if the iPAQ ticket over energy it [TS]

  just didn't pan out that way you know I was thinking is you're talking [TS]

  especially when you said that none of your users are on iPod Touches I thought [TS]

  that seems crazy because of kids like you were saying and I was just thinking [TS]

  about it in I haven't been like chronicling this in my head because I [TS]

  hadn't really been thinking about it until today but as I reflect on going [TS]

  out to eat a regular restaurant panera bread or just going about my day outside [TS]

  of work on the weekends whatever I'm thinking back to water kids using when [TS]

  their parents just want them to shut up and let let let mom and daddy and my [TS]

  recollection there either using their parents phones or they're using iPads [TS]

  that seem to be dedicated for kid use in so I think you're onto something and [TS]

  that may be interesting question why did Apple not really care for what was a two [TS]

  years three years how long was it three why did Apple not care for three years [TS]

  which by the way isn't seen but anyway maybe that's because to your point Marco [TS]

  nobody's really buying these if they want something that [TS]

  a portable kid device just like you said they're getting an iPad Mini and [TS]

  certainly my reflection on what I see day today is that they're buying iPad [TS]

  Mini's that's one reason why and why they might have done this now as opposed [TS]

  to any other time another big reason they also recently quietly killed the [TS]

  original iPad Mini that use the A five CPU so this the iPod touch was the last [TS]

  day 5 iOS device Apple TVs that's kind of a different story but this this is a [TS]

  last a five base iOS device that was for sale and now they have no Mori five left [TS]

  there also now all 64 bit once the 25 C falls off the right upright as a [TS]

  five-piece 11 sold as is the free one right now I thought so that the other [TS]

  everything about this VAT probably had to make this harder anyway if they're [TS]

  going to make a sixty in the same form factors in five see this is basically a [TS]

  sixty with no phone [TS]

  exactly and so you know they're gonna they're gonna have some economies of [TS]

  scale here even though this is a way smaller scale than e60 will likely sell [TS]

  but assuming they have a sexy it will have basically this I i've been at the [TS]

  scene cuts just you know with the phone hardware added to it and if they can if [TS]

  they've managed to squeeze it into a $200 product here getting a little bit [TS]

  more hardware for the phone features and maybe a slightly better camera into the [TS]

  six see which might even have this ice cream we don't even know that that would [TS]

  be a nice higher margin product to keep their margins up while still being able [TS]

  to be the cheap phone the lineup and they would have no they'd have fewer [TS]

  parts they're being manufactured together so that it would be a net win [TS]

  operationally and profit wise almost certainly as well but also software wise [TS]

  they want to go all 64 bit I i am guessing that iOS 10 does not support 32 [TS]

  bit operating system or 30 minutes of use is a requirement for like you have [TS]

  to upload a 64 bit for some thing what is the one of the carrot they were dying [TS]

  for their the stick you have to have a 64 bit binary for any Submission after [TS]

  like this past January something it was it was it was awhile ago [TS]

  now but you can stop at 32 bit yes but also this year you can now if you want [TS]

  to you can now ship only 64 bit for the first time I believe that the first time [TS]

  you can do that we're now you can say you know what now my Apple devices [TS]

  before you could not do that and so now they're going to have their gonna have [TS]

  the whole lineup as far as I know it's a definite the five-seat but once the [TS]

  fights he's gone that know how the whole lineup now running 64 bit chips that [TS]

  also can run nettle so this is all what they did to the Mac moving much softer [TS]

  metal for El Capitan they can I do that so I S next year with iOS 10 and moving [TS]

  stuff to requiring medal and if they if they just don't have any devices the [TS]

  can't run metal they can they can do that so that can be power savings next [TS]

  year the performance increases so there's a whole bunch of reasons to do [TS]

  this and all of this is predicated on the entire currently active for sale [TS]

  line-up having 64 bit chips that can run metal did they say at this year's WTC [TS]

  that in either 10 or iOS that coordination is now running on metal [TS]

  yeah I think they've already I think they're already doing the thing where [TS]

  like if metal is available they have a dual code path for a lot of the stuff [TS]

  even I was not aware of metal is available they will use it if not [TS]

  they'll fall back to the other way I don't know if it's pervasive in mike [TS]

  Parker said this is a big win to be out of like not even supporting other code [TS]

  Pathak if you could just say okay well I was ten you know is metal everywhere it [TS]

  doesn't support OpenGL doesn't mean it doesn't run on devices that couldn't run [TS]

  will it'll be interesting though also to see if they go this way if if iOS tennis [TS]

  64 bit only is there still the ability to run applications that have been [TS]

  updated since this requirement that are only 32 bit because right now with the [TS]

  way the way the phone works now is if you run an app that does not have a 64 [TS]

  bit version of its binary which basically means it hasn't updated since [TS]

  this past January or earlier and the developer was really responsible for [TS]

  like the year before that if you if you have an appt is only 32 bit binary the [TS]

  system has two little bit frameworks into memory just for that having won 32 [TS]

  bit [TS]

  after running has an abnormally large costs associated with it for resource [TS]

  usage on your phone [TS]

  whereas if all your apps are 64 bit and there are no 32 bit apps loaded you can [TS]

  save that giant chunk of memory and whatever performance and battery cost [TS]

  comes it that you know what to do to help that as a parameter overtime over [TS]

  like a multi-year period that the number could change anyway totally different [TS]

  time scales so yeah right anyway so so now you know if they go 64 bit only with [TS]

  iOS 10 it would this be the first time that they would actually cut off [TS]

  compatibility with running old apt to you can have an admitted it since 2008 [TS]

  you can still run that an iPhone six-plus today it won't look very good [TS]

  but it will run and part of the App Store's appeal on paper at least is it [TS]

  has this giant library about and I'm sure lots of people myself included I [TS]

  still very occasionally need to use some kind of obscure ancient app that still [TS]

  in its giant under me on the current phones and has the iOS 6 keyboard and [TS]

  everything that in forever if you lose the ability to run all those little kind [TS]

  of her do you think they do that maybe not next year but like if only to not [TS]

  have to support like the the old arm 7 instructions and to be able to be like [TS]

  you know or all 7s in seven cure they they come up with next liked it to be [TS]

  able to you know like an inspiring some right the little arm for like the tiny [TS]

  one like wasn't like to the original iPhone was there to instruction set so [TS]

  you can use like they would have loved that so it's like you know it is just [TS]

  don't do it eventually I was 10 might be like a nice round number turning point I [TS]

  feel like it'll be two more years before they pull the trigger on that but who [TS]

  knows Apple you know one or two years i think is a reasonable time frame for [TS]

  them deciding to can all those ancient apps that have been updated because [TS]

  really like they've had time it's like it's kind of like the whole 30 pin [TS]

  connector thing like where anyone anyone complain about that [TS]

  like you know they kept that connector for almost a decade I think yeah that is [TS]

  a reasonable amount of [TS]

  time like you know I know it might seem like well may have been a decade but I [TS]

  just got my iPad last year and about all these cables and sometimes someone buys [TS]

  it just the transition that's a bummer for you but in the grand scheme of [TS]

  things if you're if you're saying bye mary has been running since day one of [TS]

  the App Store and iOS 2.0 I think it's ok now for us to say okay well you [TS]

  didn't updated in how many years it's been six years since they are seven yeah [TS]

  yeah that's that is that is that is a reasonable windows like its aided this [TS]

  year or next year I would not be surprised to see them doing that and [TS]

  they'll do it basically in line with like when when do we have the [TS]

  system-on-a-chip design that reaps the benefits and grabbing all these [TS]

  instructions that's that's what I'm alive and well any other thoughts on the [TS]

  touch yeah they unlike the poor suckers you get phones if you get an iPod touch [TS]

  you can pick from 16 32 64 and 128 still the same crazy price range between them [TS]

  but whatever 10 30 50 bucks more so they actually like the inserted 32 where it [TS]

  would go in the phone pressing it was there so you have 16 as the base 64 $400 [TS]

  more in the middle of thirty to fifty dollars more I know but it's like if you [TS]

  do the actual cars like how much this much less memory actually cost like it [TS]

  just doesn't make any way it's nice to go in there will be nice arafat drop the [TS]

  16 but if any product can justify the 16 it's this that the cheapest you know [TS]

  like the 199 you gonna give it to your kids like whatever like this is the only [TS]

  private 16 gigs of memory unit but it's nice to have 32 in there just just in [TS]

  time for 32 to become like actually a little bit too small as well and keep [TS]

  month there have been a lot of changes recently that are really making it [TS]

  easier to have smart devices so i thought i iPhoto libraries a huge one [TS]

  design your photos on your phone anymore on your on your iPod and and you know [TS]

  with all the nine stuff with apps and stuff like that that's all designed for [TS]

  minimizing disk space usage of your apps [TS]

  gonna be a huge lifetime another the how long it's gonna take for people to pick [TS]

  that up that that download on demand for down [TS]

  you know game levels on demand and the app slicing and happening like all that [TS]

  stuff just massively reduce things if developers actually use them in like [TS]

  that I don't know what the lag times going to be using them I hope the game [TS]

  developers are incentivized to be a long time no one's gonna buy like Infinity [TS]

  Blade version 17 every three gigs and you know everyone with 16 gig every [TS]

  campus safety devices is not gonna have room for a three-game but if you can [TS]

  download and 200 megs and just download levels on demand I mean I i worry about [TS]

  like you know what I want this session W ABC [TS]

  they're capturing like how you can wrap is and then down on the thing on demand [TS]

  you know I didn't seem like there was a progress AP I didn't seem like there was [TS]

  a call back where you could show progress bar didn't seem like there was [TS]

  anything interesting like what your game would have to say is put up a status [TS]

  screen that says loading level please wait and if it's a 500 Meg level and you [TS]

  know they're on sale you ever get it right but if they're on wi-fi and wi-fi [TS]

  slow the service like I worry about the viability but anyway and also lots of [TS]

  kids go long span during the day or they're not connected to any network [TS]

  with an iPod Touch right yeah they'll be disappointed when they advanced to the [TS]

  next level realize they can't play next level at home then that API looks like [TS]

  one of those FBI found and downloading looks like one of those API that will be [TS]

  better next year after everyone tries it realizes this is sufficient amount of [TS]

  you know sort of resolutions at its peak of like how can I get hooks into the CBI [TS]

  to provide a good user experience let people know what's going on and you know [TS]

  and to do reasonable things and not make it look like my game is broken when in [TS]

  reality is just either in the process of downloading a giant level or downloaded [TS]

  I level you know or you can if you look at it from the perspective of the game [TS]

  publishers there's very little reason for them to adopt it like it solves the [TS]

  problem that Apple has but it doesn't really solve a problem developers have [TS]

  unless you really are trying to ship a five-game well these games are big I [TS]

  guess it is already like one or two gigs and it's just not going to fit on [TS]

  on a 16 gig USB the kids will help them and so they can't buy your game or [TS]

  they'll buy it and regretted and you know be angry that they can't use it [TS]

  like people want they want you to tap their linking get their game on your [TS]

  device and players especially for 30 play like they get no money then it was [TS]

  just got a launch it right so I think game developers are are incentivized to [TS]

  some stuff but even just plain old out there really hope that people do the apt [TS]

  inning and and and slicing stuff because it seems like he's even made it for you [TS]

  just take things and do this and will will automatically put the version and [TS]

  will have a different by like that should be a win at all it takes is for [TS]

  people to rebuild their apps and upload new versions of them and I hope that [TS]

  will happen for all the apps that I care about because they're all sort of [TS]

  actively maintained by people that are going to do this anyway as a matter of [TS]

  course I'm just so happy that I have to do anything API's overcast like four [TS]

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  beautiful couple more things on the iPod touches before we move on but the colors [TS]

  yeah that's one of the only black one a spacecraft all the other ones are right [TS]

  on the front [TS]

  didn't notice that but honestly I think it was a pretty good I do like them I [TS]

  like them like these colors this lineup of cars is more appealing to me than the [TS]

  pass line of college I don't like anything with the wife I like how it [TS]

  looks like as a product but I don't like looking at it so it's kind of [TS]

  disappointing me that it now there's only one with the black front yeah I'm [TS]

  with you on that I wish there were more color options but the ones they have I [TS]

  think look good [TS]

  black and gold at least come on guys well they're gonna do black and Space [TS]

  Gray space 3 is the new black John I know I mean like having a goal and I can [TS]

  go back and then black on the front talking about is the front all the front [TS]

  sir wait except for the model that is based on the back of the iPhone is is [TS]

  the iPhone have a black front maybe it is obviously they don't have 17 colors [TS]

  for the iPhone said maybe you don't notice it maybe there's been this way [TS]

  with the iPod Touch in the past as well which is like buying the space grey ones [TS]

  but it's still I worry the black one being the sole one there that don't [TS]

  matter of time before they go another time by myself anyway but they both my [TS]

  kids have they have ones that are different colors on the back but both of [TS]

  them are black and the front because both one literally bought for me and one [TS]

  was bought for my kids and when I bought it I remember thinking of buying an iPod [TS]

  Touch that's like two and a half years old [TS]

  real-time follow up the old iPhone has the white front however the gold that [TS]

  book one has the black bezel well what if they didn't like the MacBook with [TS]

  white around the screen I don't like water on the screen I do like how it [TS]

  looks like that that blew up with the white looks great the red on the right [TS]

  looks great like it looks great in product shots I just want to look at it [TS]

  as a screen but other people liked it so they anyway cool colors no lanyard which [TS]

  i think they discovered that nobody wants to put a strap around their wrists [TS]

  ever like I wonder what percentage of kids use the strap-on that we like [TS]

  parents by making him destroy their TVs by checking their motor ever but I can [TS]

  honestly say that I never saw any money in real life with the wrist wrap [TS]

  connected or iPod touch and iPad and iPod touch with a wrist wrap [TS]

  word on my wrist still in the box did you ever get your TV you know I did ok [TS]

  that's a cost savings the space savings you don't have that little moving car [TS]

  which is kind of fun to play with the little cookie you know when your thing [TS]

  in and out of it but it's an interesting experiment that apparently didn't pan [TS]

  out because it happened at UBC in those little things on all their products [TS]

  instead of just being on 14 December three-year period ending and the filed a [TS]

  bunch no I'm not getting an iPod Touch I have the main reason is I had the phone [TS]

  now we've really the family plan to pay for everything last night I go back to [TS]

  float on I'm not but think the biggest thing keeping me on my iPhone is that [TS]

  I'm not used to the big screen like him I pick up my kids devices I can imagine [TS]

  that a little thing I'm not used to it my hand is used to it and use the extra [TS]

  space and used actual pixels I can go back and so congratulations Apple [TS]

  thanks Obama hit so are you get one of the brand new iPod nanos or iPod [TS]

  shuffles new question mark and I think it's actually not even a question [TS]

  anymore think it's just not that into you that's confirmed his ass off is the [TS]

  different software on there may be no there's different colors I believe that [TS]

  is literally change yeah I was trying to look into this but like honestly I had [TS]

  no record I was going to text back so I can't remember what the old ones where [TS]

  it's kind of disappointing to me that like there are many areas both of these [TS]

  products could be improved in both hardware and software just through the [TS]

  experience of like having has been in the market for a long time people using [TS]

  them knowing which buttons are hard to press how is it weird to hold the [TS]

  materials you could do better what seemed think what seemed tends to open [TS]

  up over time with part of the OS or slower don't support of thing but it's [TS]

  like just the product is not selling enough for them to make those changes I [TS]

  guess so it's just more of the same in different colors I think it's still a [TS]

  good idea to sell these products new cars is a way to get more people to buy [TS]

  them it's another sort of started products like a little kid once listen [TS]

  to music on a walk when are you gonna [TS]

  by the model iPod a little cheap iPod you don't care too much if they send it [TS]

  through the laundry or story especially like a shuttle to like 50 bucks or [TS]

  whatever it's going to these products and wound up I think of all of the iPod [TS]

  nanos and shuffles ever made these are not the best versions yeah I think I [TS]

  agree what's interesting though is that these are officially like you know [TS]

  updated and quotes but they can't use Apple music tracks like if you download [TS]

  music so anything that music is DRM deux and it's kind of time bombs so that you [TS]

  aren't supposed to play music tracks if you end your subscription to have a [TS]

  music iPods I I guess they just decided to the DRAM like they can't really they [TS]

  can't really guarantee that an iPod will have its clock set properly or that will [TS]

  it'll really ever check in once its eight-year anything that so do they even [TS]

  have clocks like they don't have wireless like what they have radios [TS]

  everybody's basically they can validate the files like if you if you got your [TS]

  Apple music files on your iPod Nano they were they would either never play which [TS]

  is the current up or play forever because as long as you just plug your [TS]

  iPod Nano in dating those the basis of the only choices so I don't get a chance [TS]

  to surrender out about this whole thing I guess it's not surprising that if [TS]

  you're you know streaming file that rely on you having a prescription cannot go [TS]

  on devices that can confirm that you have a subscription these things have no [TS]

  way to tell if you have a subscription and they could have updated them to know [TS]

  about them too but that would have been I guess more time and effort and [TS]

  technology and software that they're willing to invest in this product line [TS]

  and it and if group is right that like the recent the reason the the Nano still [TS]

  has the iOS 6 look to its fake iOS UI growers sources say that there's [TS]

  literally nobody left the team with the team that did that was pushed for the [TS]

  watch team as it is basically there's nobody who can work on it right now and [TS]

  that sounds plausible and you know imagine if you if you work at Apple like [TS]

  you do you really want the job of updating the iPod Nano software every [TS]

  three years to look more like fake iOS app that's probably not a great thing to [TS]

  be working on if you can help it [TS]

  differences they know that if you have trusted time of the device that you can [TS]

  still use that in there be you know if you tried to reset the time it would [TS]

  invalidate things and so on and so forth the dogs that I would assume require [TS]

  investment in and software at very least and possibly also harbor that doesn't [TS]

  exist and so they're not gonna do that investment that you know they're not [TS]

  going to add a way for these devices to know maybe they may be saying they [TS]

  already have this feature it just seems like any kind of investment in changing [TS]

  the feature set of these products was just not in the cards this revision [TS]

  changing the color is this something that you just doing manufacturing done [TS]

  and done so the iPod Nano is 250 bucks 16 pics for 50 bucks more you get the [TS]

  iPod touch now granted as a larger device but otherwise like why does the [TS]

  Nano still exist why would anybody get the Nano 450 bucks if for 50 bucks more [TS]

  you can get the same capacity in a full blown pretty good iOS device smaller [TS]

  lighter simpler has an FM radio I mean you know it's not a big areas not a [TS]

  growth market but the shuttle I'm assuming you're excluding the shuttle so [TS]

  damn small that if you want something like microscopic and weighs nothing this [TS]

  is your only option the shuffle sucks but the trouble has always sucked I have [TS]

  iphone multiple shuffles my life they've all sucked [TS]

  it's it's a terrible device it is awful I like this [TS]

  sticking gum on the original owner it's too big still yeah they're all yes I had [TS]

  to come on I was not one of them I'm said that one broke as I love that while [TS]

  there was a very clever design I mean obviously it's way too big by modern [TS]

  standards but back then like I really like a design I like the fact that hello [TS]

  you want on your neck I like the little stick of gum thing and it was nice and [TS]

  light way I like the shuttle before they pulled in the margins and so rapid [TS]

  shuffle more tightly around the circular control because that would have a place [TS]

  for you to put your fingers to open the little jumper like the little clamp on [TS]

  the back without accidentally hitting the previous track button button you [TS]

  know this one is just too small to do anything with that circular by number [TS]

  the shuttle's never really been great but it does have the advantage that is [TS]

  super microscopic [TS]

  the one that was like the Trident gum that no buttons on it yet that was short [TS]

  lived for good reason those were the days I I was a lot of interesting [TS]

  innovation and I guess how small we can make this is just kinda sad to see it [TS]

  not you know like this is dead this little square the clip onto things [TS]

  anyways I'm that bad but it's one of the Nano exists I think it is different [TS]

  enough you know i think is differentiated differentiate from the [TS]

  shuttle having a screen and a place where you can do stuff and its [TS]

  differentiated phenotype awed by being I think from the perspective of people who [TS]

  want to jog with it or something the Nano is the size that you could like you [TS]

  need you wouldn't notice it still I think below the threshold of of you know [TS]

  even if not so much from weight but just like having a big playing cards [TS]

  sidestepping like strapped to her body somewhere where the Nano [TS]

  i think is down in the range of you know more towards a shovel and of things [TS]

  where you can find someplace and addressed to shove it you don't have to [TS]

  buy a dedicated case for it I would imagine that maybe the shuffle to me is [TS]

  the I'm going to do some sort of aggressive working out with this and I [TS]

  don't want to break any other device and if I do you break this nothing to the [TS]

  earth the Nano though I agree with you guys it's kind of a weird gray area and [TS]

  the only thing I can think of is what if it's for a kid who doesn't necessarily [TS]

  isn't a surly old enough to be able to handle or maybe you don't want them to [TS]

  handle a full on iOS device but they are like the iPod Touch but maybe this is [TS]

  sort of a half way that's more interesting and allows you afford you [TS]

  some amount of control yet is still not a full on iPod touch [TS]

  keep the cut off internet basically they want to listen to music is keeping his [TS]

  parents delay facing the inevitable which is how do I handle my child who [TS]

  has access to the Internet [TS]

  let's push to offer a couple more years right although they saw the video of mom [TS]

  can you put this music on my iPod police say they have no way to get music on it [TS]

  without you know the MSG was honestly do kids still care about music [TS]

  yeah I didn't know because it seems like music is very generational but also that [TS]

  in recent generations we're actually like even more away from it if that [TS]

  makes sense like we're like music is becoming less important as the [TS]

  generational cultural entertainment media I guess I don't think about the [TS]

  same like my you know they they your kids one day will come home and they [TS]

  will know a pop song that you've never played or heard of and they know all the [TS]

  words to it like how did this happen is they have you know they they find out [TS]

  about music they get interested in music they eventually have demands for songs [TS]

  that they want on their iPods and yeah it's not fair enough thanks let two or [TS]

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  what's going on overcast these days even heard much about it man I i mean I'm [TS]

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  yeah pretty much I am working on a big 2.0 and I am still i mean i times it's [TS]

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  it's mostly about continuing down all the all the different parts like this [TS]

  week I was working on general please the downloader as usual really so I finally [TS]

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  me is that storage using just seems to just keep growing over time for any [TS]

  given installation its temp files that are created by the background download [TS]

  system another process and iOS which I hate with a passion there there are temp [TS]

  files at that generates and if the download is interrupted for a reason [TS]

  like it if you force quit the app or if the app crashes or sometimes even just [TS]

  if the download fails an entry tries again it's creating a new filing [TS]

  starting over again and the old file YouTube and it is just like the old [TS]

  tempfile where it was down to earth partially downloaded to is never delete [TS]

  it and I I actually discovered his behavior months ago and I i issue to fix [TS]

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  above a certain age that hadn't been touched for a couple days or something I [TS]

  would delete that cause lots of problems that caused the download system does not [TS]

  expect is filed under from under its health and also down at the design doc [TS]

  medication they are really pleased to know about inside the box they also [TS]

  recently moved that location to a different location that's the problem so [TS]

  now all of a sudden I thought I had this problem to control and that people are [TS]

  saying oh it's you know all the species it's mostly because of that because [TS]

  they've moved location is files so now I'm so I'm scanning the old directory [TS]

  not the new one and so I have to go look at that again [TS]

  and you know obviously changed where it's leading but also than a test to [TS]

  make sure it's not messing up too badly when it does the lead them to make sure [TS]

  that the downloader doesn't then have weird behavior or crash when it finds [TS]

  its files are gone it's a whole ordeal the background on system is just [TS]

  incredibly unreliable for me I know that some developer seem to have good luck [TS]

  with it I it has been in simi unreliable for me and all my years ago but so far [TS]

  you download more things and i think probably for more creaky servers like [TS]

  you because you know tons of things are downloading all time of application and [TS]

  I've seen lots of really slow downloads however people are hosting their [TS]

  products so it's a formula texas-size a downloader but if everything is in the [TS]

  caches folder like there are jobs I assume they're wondering that are [TS]

  wandering your iOS like purging the cache folder when you understood [TS]

  discretion to there's no there's nothing you can do is an app developer to try to [TS]

  say hey system if you would like to come by and reclaim space from my caches [TS]

  folder please do that now I don't think you can trigger it automatically [TS]

  triggers when the spaces actually filling and then that's when if you if [TS]

  you were spotted an app that says that were the icon is deemed out for a minute [TS]

  and under a diff place this high with the word cleaning dot dot dot that's [TS]

  what it's doing is it's it's the leading all the cash temporary files from that [TS]

  same box in order to leave this place so I'm working on stuff like that also I [TS]

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  would be lost and disk drives people crazy understandably drives me crazy [TS]

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  really annoying it's like you know i IR is a certain way and now just undid it [TS]

  and this took me months to find this bug and it turns out to be a concurrency bug [TS]

  in the way so basically getting into the weeds for a brief minute here overcast [TS]

  data storage layer is built on a library that I've heard that open source code F [TS]

  C model and it's basically a little a little model layer between sequel light [TS]

  and you and so it's not it does not use core data it uses that same model which [TS]

  replaces quartet in in this in the role here and the initial design of St model [TS]

  instances of of your models and memory were unique so that if you requested [TS]

  PostID one from one thread and it's another thread also requested PostID one [TS]

  if if the first one was still a memory the second member just getting to the [TS]

  point of the same object so that there was only one posted I D one in memory at [TS]

  any given time so if you've modified that it would be the same with between [TS]

  all the places that was being accessed like this if you modify the value and [TS]

  didn't see it yet you would get that from everywhere in practice that caused [TS]

  a bunch of weird concurrency issues and weird potential bugs we are actual bugs [TS]

  so this past February I switched it so that if you request I D 14 months rather [TS]

  than from somewhere else does not separate copies and so all rights where [TS]

  do we get done separately and there were some things in place to make sure it [TS]

  wouldn't get stale data here and there and everything but [TS]

  basically exchange without worked and that has for the most part it didn't [TS]

  cause any problems and solve the problems unfortunately the planet [TS]

  reordering bug is caused by this and I haven't quite nail down the details yet [TS]

  it's it's taken me months to have this happen in a debugger once that is the [TS]

  worst yeah you know it is weird like concurrency related bug and it's very [TS]

  hard to reproduce and i've i've asked you before months like if you find a way [TS]

  to reliably reproduce this please tell me some sleep calls now that you know [TS]

  they're pretty sure that you know it has been confirmed by the Friends of sleep [TS]

  calls to to induce the race was the one time I caught in the debugger I i cant i [TS]

  I got a pretty good idea that was due to this new to this model being unique in [TS]

  memory kind of thing pretty sure was from that anyway so now I have I have a [TS]

  different branch IFSC model now called unique to that goes back to the unique [TS]

  in memory model system is optimistic locking with the the woman than a unique [TS]

  I don't think it is but it's like a virgin everything enemy go to the update [TS]

  you said you deserve day but only the update if the version is the version [TS]

  that was when I read it and if it's not then you know you have a conflict you [TS]

  know you've lost a race then you have to resolve it and some of its like instead [TS]

  of checking everything along with two guys gotta think one guy's gonna write [TS]

  first and if you're not the guy who had to write first when you write your thing [TS]

  you could be overriding other guys changes so you do this I mean it's the [TS]

  single thing like they've all while we're about a block and ideals all [TS]

  applaud you CBC zorz update you like oh actually I thought I read and then wrote [TS]

  it backwards someone else wrote back so I have to reread incorporate those [TS]

  changes or I can write back it's just you know like or the brain Simmons read [TS]

  and only to update them out of her missing threat right well so database [TS]

  access has always been serialized on 21 threat you could use you could read them [TS]

  anywhere but it was all beings heroes behind the scenes on a serial key oh so [TS]

  you couldn't actually be doing simultaneous real reason rights but you [TS]

  could like you know about the things that weren't quite say that have changed [TS]

  under UN everything and then I i i did a few months back I did changes so that [TS]

  rights for all being done inside serial blocks to so that rather than saying you [TS]

  know model . name was Bob model safe instead of that you would say model [TS]

  reload and save in this block and then the block you would say name eagleberger [TS]

  and so those Rossi rise as well so that way and and it was literally every load [TS]

  and save like you would first do a select then do your changes then save [TS]

  them back [TS]

  alternately on a serious threat so it should solve that problem and I think [TS]

  it's all there in lots of places but I guess for something was still happening [TS]

  that it wasn't quite getting it everywhere so the new system the unique [TS]

  to also does the Brent Simmons think we're now it's all just happening on the [TS]

  name threat and for a while I thought there is no way I should have did you [TS]

  know database down the main thread that will cause you I performance problems [TS]

  and everything and I have such a big data bases for some users there's no way [TS]

  I can afford that so I could never tried it and then last week I tried it and it [TS]

  turns out it's fine and there are so many problems it solves having all the [TS]

  stuff on the main thread first of all fast enough [TS]

  doesn't matter at all second of all lots of places where there was you I lag [TS]

  before from block 9 database on a massive aid operation like that like the [TS]

  initial sync lot of times you know you think you're uploading it to this [TS]

  background thread in the background thread triggers an update that post [TS]

  notification and the UI says oh the data change I have to reload the data to show [TS]

  my UI so then is blocking the is blocking the UI anyway while waiting for [TS]

  that reload come through so it turns out the whole idea of getting these [TS]

  operations off the main threat in practice usually didn't solve the [TS]

  problem because usually the you I was still blocked waiting for the database [TS]

  threat to finish what it was doing anyway so once you move things to the [TS]

  main thread all the data stuff then it like it home I got it becomes so much [TS]

  simpler once again Brent Simmons is right [TS]

  usually rate this [TS]

  he's really usually right and so with this like if you make a change on the [TS]

  main thread what [TS]

  what happens with so many changes to the site is is the UI respond to the [TS]

  notification and does something update something that's happened to me in [TS]

  thread it removes so many like dispatch chasing calls and so many you know so [TS]

  many potential deadlocks well the database did this now a bit of a few [TS]

  other than the UN calls in database again there so it's a solve so many [TS]

  problems so anyway this is very long and boring but that is why I double the [TS]

  pleasure during bug happened I'd made that change a week ago in development [TS]

  and used to hit me every few days it hasn't hit me want sets so I'm pretty [TS]

  sure I got it and it sure looks like the rest of the app still works fine but I'm [TS]

  reserving saying definitively but it sure looks like I'm not having any other [TS]

  problems I think ask you about this before but now it's even more relevant [TS]

  if you doing today there is access on the main threat to you used any of those [TS]

  people I pragmatist to fiddle with the defaults to make it faster I do yeah [TS]

  that I I started doing that about six months ago the return of the synchronous [TS]

  thing when we see the thing that makes it like it i think is like a really [TS]

  serious inflation today before you're done turning it off thats like a little [TS]

  yep no I'm totally done when really it isn't like because we're using flash [TS]

  like I mean that's the risk you are that's like the dangerous one and then I [TS]

  guess text or memory instead of time to start discord over it sometimes make a [TS]

  big difference used to make a big difference [TS]

  back I was screaming with delight and someone's hearing on the main threat it [TS]

  probably worthwhile to revisit the pragma page and see if there's anything [TS]

  else you can tweak I would probably not recommend the synchronous 1 2012 corrupt [TS]

  your database because then you're SOL but I am doing synchronous off and [TS]

  general motors Journal mode memory there you go live in the live in the dangerous [TS]

  life I mean I guess power failures like good just that's it's a battery-powered [TS]

  device that can get unplugged I guess but you know well and also this is just [TS]

  data that this is basically an offline cache of something that's the web so you [TS]

  know if if local database gets corrupted somehow looks very unlikely but if it [TS]

  gets corrupted and it can't be opened then it just redownload from the web so [TS]

  it's like it's not I'm not losing meaningful user data here [TS]

  journals the occasion that you had for fiddling with secret light out of [TS]

  curiosity about the visions database backup applications in the database that [TS]

  backs them as in all sorts of things at various times too polite and I envy you [TS]

  know if you just doing something you don't want to do database stuff with [TS]

  especially in languages that have sort of a uniform interface to any database [TS]

  is just a question of picking the driver like pearl doesn't like any other [TS]

  languages do you like well a prototype of physical like thinking about starting [TS]

  a server and all that crap be just you know it's just convenient I mean how [TS]

  even if just to see the light you know any memory database like it's a great [TS]

  way to describe something it doesn't matter if I would kiss you just tell it [TS]

  databaseName don't give it don't give the filename and we'll just do [TS]

  everything in memory [TS]