The Accidental Tech Podcast

138: Only Microsoft


  so I went cleared out everything that was obviously outdated we had of course [TS]

  like bullet points on speculation about what TV kid might be and rumors of the [TS]

  new Apple TV remote car starter that would be to get us directions right in [TS]

  the room of follow-up we have more follow-up about the TiVo that neither [TS]

  Martin nor I cares about you care you need to care about the TiVo that's not a [TS]

  follow-up but i wanna briefly mentioned so since last week I think more people [TS]

  have either following are links to the TiVo bolts are seen people tweeting [TS]

  about it or you know it's made the rounds in the tech news sites and people [TS]

  have looked at it and the snide comments about how I can't believe that anything [TS]

  that you can't stack something on top of a lot of people have responded with [TS]

  other TV connected devices that are unstoppable in various ways one of the [TS]

  one of them on the camelot was the Boxee Box you guys remember that I do it [TS]

  basically look like a cube tilted on its corner and then like sit down at the [TS]

  table so that like a sort of a cube on an angle that but I wasn't actually cute [TS]

  they chopped off part of its clearly nothing can go on top of it because it [TS]

  was a cube just resting normally on the table at work fine but it's tilted and [TS]

  then the cars are chopped off that's that's a ridiculous the reason I think [TS]

  the TiVo bolt is worse than the Boxee Box and other things is a TiVo bolt [TS]

  show it's like thumbing its nose at you get so close to being just a flat box [TS]

  but it said you know what are you aware Bend It Like if not it's not a you know [TS]

  because the Boxee Box like giving up a psycho they're making a little piece of [TS]

  art sculpture it's like it's not even close to that it is clearly never gonna [TS]

  be something you can stack also it's not why during the Boxee boxes a plain old [TS]

  normal abortion boxer you put under a TV in terms of like it's around the size of [TS]

  our ability votes around the size of a blu-ray player or a game console games [TS]

  like that exactly flat on all sides and I just ended and that [TS]

  just is just the worst and one of the items ninety people have already started [TS]

  opening up until you have they can upgrade the little 2.5 inch drive to [TS]

  whatever the max capacity 2.5 inch drive they have an apparently that's [TS]

  successful so if you are buying this evening against that the int about the [TS]

  TiVo folks themselves have had a series of Q&A and stop where they've [TS]

  re-emphasize not that you know this wasn't a question I could settle a shout [TS]

  this is not the pro product they still sell a product that is has more features [TS]

  and more storage and more tuners and everything and it said don't worry you [TS]

  know eventually we have all come out with the promo whether the pro model [TS]

  also be bent will even be called the ball to be don't know that just [TS]

  basically said this product is not for you people who want the highest and TiVo [TS]

  is they're pretty candid I wish I could find this Q&A go to last week may be [TS]

  done anyway the guy who was talking with some TV is basically saying look talking [TS]

  to a bunch of very enthusiastic Evo fans looking and saying I know you guys don't [TS]

  want this because it's doesn't have lots of storage and not being fancy as he [TS]

  returns and basically a downgrade from the one you have now this is not for you [TS]

  but basically we just continue to make progress for you we would go out of [TS]

  business we need to make a low end product that is distinctive in appealing [TS]

  he was also basically defending the crazy shape saying that's what we have [TS]

  to do to stay in business we had to find a way to sell something to people who [TS]

  otherwise wouldn't buy TV out there are not enough people like me who want the [TS]

  high integrity person doesn't think he's as I mean I got $150,000 last year as in [TS]

  people who hadn't previously owned evils like new TiVo customers and that's just [TS]

  not enough so that what they're trying to do is make it cheap product that will [TS]

  stand out the people will notice it till like ours that crazy bent thing that's [TS]

  why I mean I know that noticing in a good way or bad way but hates noticing [TS]

  and have it be an actual good probably have teachers have interesting features [TS]

  be faster more responsive all I could stop have the you know the automatic [TS]

  commercial shipping everything so this is one of their many places to stay in [TS]

  business it said that the high-end customers can't sustain them as a [TS]

  company I'm not quite sure what their expenses are you know it's not their [TS]

  networks without a license and content or something they're just making you [TS]

  know basically a little computer that you're taxed [TS]

  TV anyway and making hardware is easy well it's not the same as like what is [TS]

  your burn rate like how many employees do you need especially if you doing it [TS]

  for been doing it for many many years I guess just 200,000 sales need to sell [TS]

  more of them so I want to even stand doesn't so I guess everyone should wait [TS]

  for them to come up with the high and TiVo and then buy the most expensive one [TS]

  and then throwing the garbage you know what I want to stay in business so [TS]

  anyway the actual father was in here is a question from last week more what kind [TS]

  of TiVo both features could possibly come through a software update to [TS]

  existing TiVo owners to their the Romeo models which is the old high and one and [TS]

  someone from TiVo has a TiVo design and Twitter said quick mode which the thing [TS]

  that's like smart speed when you watch 30 percent faster and channel logos in [TS]

  the guide are 2 items that are coming to a software update not mentioned is the [TS]

  thing that sets commercials but just totally technically possible to bring to [TS]

  the other ones most was the one I had a question about an apparent that's that's [TS]

  coming they didn't mention that commercial skipping that could just be [TS]

  like oh we're gonna save that for the models to make you upgrade but whatever [TS]

  I'm fine they cannot find the info I will probably buy history has shown that [TS]

  he'll probably buy it so I think that's it for the both we should note that [TS]

  Jeremy Clarkson has tweeted today which in and of itself is unremarkable but he [TS]

  has tweeted with a skeleton crew filming for Amazon Prime's new motoring programs [TS]

  spelled incorrectly has begun and it has a shot of what are these cars this is a [TS]

  la Ferrari McLaren p1 thank you the p1 and whatever the Ferrari du jour of our [TS]

  in now it's a Porsche stay in nineteen oh that's the part that's 1901 away from [TS]

  the show you can identify this is as I tweeted this is the one thing and get to [TS]

  the fireworks factory because it in the last in the sad last season of Top Gear [TS]

  they were like oh finally when the law Ferrari comes out we're going to test [TS]

  that we're going to test all these these you know hybrid supercars or whatever [TS]

  but maybe not going to solve these top 10 supercars against each other because [TS]

  they tested at 9:18 on its own and just the p1 zone and offer I came out I [TS]

  tested it on its own like now we're going to have these guys do a shoot out [TS]

  and like the very last episode where they were all together like to [TS]

  manufacturers would let us raise them against each other so sorry guys we're [TS]

  working on it but right now there are big babies because they're offered their [TS]

  cars gonna lose so they don't want any mention of like how we work something [TS]

  out they've all agreed to race under whatever conditions and then Clarkson [TS]

  one punch somebody in the show was a pretty good summary so I was like when [TS]

  they get to the fire expected to get teasing I wanna see that showdown [TS]

  between those three cars that's exactly what I want to see so I am super excited [TS]

  that is Amazon showed the first picture that shows guess what we got the three [TS]

  cars presumably we're gonna racing against each other but the other [TS]

  follow-up we had is this big kerfuffle that's been going around particularly as [TS]

  a record on Wednesday with regard to battery life for the two different [TS]

  canines apparently both Samsung and GSM see what does it stand for Taiwan [TS]

  Semiconductor Manufacturing Company something like that [TS]

  apparently both of them are fair being the a nine and apparently one of them is [TS]

  one of these things is not like the other you could say so [TS]

  Marco you were talking about this earlier today would you like to fill us [TS]

  in on some of the details [TS]

  unfortunately we don't know yet is it might not be a story but it might be a [TS]

  story and it's on Wednesday night it's way too early to say whether there's [TS]

  anything here or whether this is just a couple of people getting your test [TS]

  results [TS]

  the the gist of it is so we'd we know for sure that that the the a nine ship [TS]

  in the 16 as you mentioned as being fed by two companies at SMC SMC and they [TS]

  have two different manufacturing processes at those two companies the [TS]

  Samsung ones actually the smaller feature sizes that Samsung has 40 [TS]

  nanometer [TS]

  she is sixteen so you would normally you would expect the smaller feature sizes [TS]

  when being Samsung to have better battery life to that uses less power or [TS]

  not in the days of leakage current done [TS]

  because now it's not like it used to be true but then once the leakage current [TS]

  became a thing it kind of kept Llambias what people do it like I can't even make [TS]

  like a 22 nanometers ship until I saw this leakage current problems that would [TS]

  solve that by using like high k dielectric or whatever you know things [TS]

  that they're doing and then it would shrink and you wouldn't lol parents IKr [TS]

  things following along but really the only reason you got less power is [TS]

  because they figured out the leakage thing and so as we get them all in all [TS]

  likelihood that problem again we go this leakage how are we going to do so you're [TS]

  right that in the old thinking in like the you know 45 nanometers 65 nanometer [TS]

  thinking shrinking is better but now the sizes right now shrinking does not [TS]

  necessarily better unless you know the intimate details of the geometry [TS]

  materials of their actual transistors so anyway the gist is there's a couple of [TS]

  people and again the test size here is really small but there's a couple of [TS]

  people who are getting results indicate that the TSM see manufactured one [TS]

  connection a larger feature size but as john just explain it doesn't really [TS]

  matter as much anymore [TS]

  the basically the TSM see manufactured a nines are yielding substantially better [TS]

  battery life than the Samsung ones that the the test so far suggests that it [TS]

  might be as much as like 20 25% more battery life do you know that because he [TS]

  was my first question about these things [TS]

  yielding better battery life or the yielding better Geekbench battery scores [TS]

  because I'm not entirely convinced that there isn't something about the gig [TS]

  bench battery test that behaves differently on one thing then the other [TS]

  like you know like if this is our only metric I guess that's a small number of [TS]

  people like a few dozen people and if they're all running the Geekbench [TS]

  battery test I don't know what else you do says battery life but you have to do [TS]

  something you can't have anecdotal like I use my phone for a day and it seemed [TS]

  like it was slower but that they're all using the same testing solo number I [TS]

  don't know yet I guess I'm trying to think of like what is going to be about [TS]

  the bench test that would care who manufactured the CPU are they different [TS]

  in ways other than the size of the features and materials and geometry of [TS]

  the individual transistors the different in [TS]

  like if we were to look at the layout of the chips are they different in that way [TS]

  to maybe they are and I can have different instructions they're different [TS]

  cache sizes is you know we don't know anything about them so many questions [TS]

  here but the most compelling thing I think we have is that thing that hasn't [TS]

  tweeted this John Poole tweeted graphs of the bench scores for the different [TS]

  phones and is not labeled which ones have which CPU but you can see two humps [TS]

  in the in the iPhone successful one and 100 the iPhone 61761 has a tremendous [TS]

  number of trials or something like twenty or thirty times as many but still [TS]

  with the small number of trials that it's clearly shows two humps that one so [TS]

  in the coming days and weeks we'll figure this out [TS]

  yeah I'm really curious to see and you can tell which one you have [TS]

  there's a there's an app called lehrer info like putting the show notes if you [TS]

  launch this is it this you know it's obviously made to dump a bunch of [TS]

  medical info the it shows the model number on the first green and for the [TS]

  success at its end 71 AP and then if you have the the quote Goodwin its and 71 [TS]

  and maybe a little lower case a minimal model number that is the TSM c1 and [TS]

  that's the one that if this is true that's the one you want to have nothing [TS]

  I have I'm very happy about that I have not been using it long enough to really [TS]

  say whether I'm noticing extra battery life it seems the same to me but i dont [TS]

  no I haven't I haven't really been running it down a lot during this using [TS]

  shiii keep charging it during the day so I don't know casey you take yours I did [TS]

  i do I have the no boy no one like dead pixels and maybe you should look like [TS]

  mi dissatisfied with the battery life if I'm not dissatisfied than just don't [TS]

  look but whatever it seems to be fine it doesn't seem particularly different than [TS]

  the last phone as with every iPhone ever and I wish [TS]

  better I wish I had a few Miller millimeters of battery somewhere in [TS]

  there as we've talked about to death but still how I feel about me and it's so [TS]

  thin and so bendy wait what [TS]

  anyway so point being [TS]

  I do have the corn crop and when I did not check Aaron's phone I have no reason [TS]

  to believe that there would be any different other than you know just [TS]

  complete lock but again I not seen any difference in battery life in the six to [TS]

  the success and so I not too worked up about it it is kind of unfortunate I'm [TS]

  assuming that they probably just couldn't get enough to make them all the [TS]

  TSM C chip I magnin probably a volume and yield issue you know you can look at [TS]

  it either as your phone gets worse better life than 40% of them out there [TS]

  or you get a bonus if you have either one you know I don't know what I don't [TS]

  understand is i mean last I checked I know these phones doing a lot of [TS]

  background processing on various and sundry things however 99% of the time [TS]

  these CPUs are sitting damn near idle or the other not so what is it that's [TS]

  making that much of a difference like good grief that's a big difference and [TS]

  it just seems weird to me well what's the big difference is I've seen the [TS]

  reports like oh you get two hours different ballot but where are they [TS]

  getting that number from the only numbers i've seen these ones with this [TS]

  benchmark in this [TS]

  the benchmark scores are like you know 2030 500 I don't know those numbers mean [TS]

  it's just an arbitrary number they're not number of seconds our time there was [TS]

  there was a time tests on 91 the Engadget post republished from whoever [TS]

  wherever he added there was a time this test and it was like seven hours vs five [TS]

  hours or something like that I assume that some kind of like it's probably [TS]

  been kinda like you know max out the CPU around down as quickly as you can [TS]

  contest how representative that is what you're gonna actually do with the phone [TS]

  right exactly so it again this is probably a non-story we probably [TS]

  shouldn't even talk about it for this long but it's worth monitoring the story [TS]

  well I mean it's you know we know that using two different parts and there is [TS]

  precedent as many people to travel using different parts from different [TS]

  manufacturers and one of them being the good one as Marco nose for someone who [TS]

  got did you really have the MacBook Pro with the bed screen yeah I I had like [TS]

  that he was the LG and Samsung are one of those whatever panel you didn't want [TS]

  and that's the one I [TS]

  I think it will probably be fine as long as it's like Marcus as long as the the [TS]

  bad chip gets you know and I'm sure there's like a bad chip the Phils the [TS]

  their criteria they put on the product page so you get about this number of [TS]

  hours doing this about his numbers are and they have you know I'm sure this one [TS]

  little tiny asterisk and say here's what we used to determine those numbers and [TS]

  if someone to the same class action lawsuit about as good as they look to [TS]

  bad loans get these numbers are good ones getting better than getting better [TS]

  numbers congratulations you're lucky like I'm sure they're covering their [TS]

  bases by doing hope so [TS]

  all right let's see any other follow-up worth talking about I don't think there [TS]

  is any mention this awesome artwork that we got today I guess I completely forgot [TS]

  thank you this is fantastic this is an attempt to your name here it is by mid [TS]

  august 3rd August and it is awesome so it he drew the illustrated this artwork [TS]

  called business as usual TTP and just it's like a comic style three frames one [TS]

  of john Kasay and one of me as you do the podcast like from the back and the [TS]

  the level of the of like reference details and here like this is amazing [TS]

  it's the Lincoln and cheddar there are so many little references and details [TS]

  that he got exactly right [TS]

  like it shows like you know John screen with the tunnel Windows PC with a giant [TS]

  glass of water next to him and his MacBook Air issued me in my red office [TS]

  with all the all the fractures including the like have fallen off have broken [TS]

  piece fracture and the money and the pilot microphones with sale written on [TS]

  it yet and there's so many little details in each of these that are [TS]

  correct it even got a keyboard types I mean it's really it's really quite [TS]

  something really have a glass desk at which is exactly what I have I although [TS]

  I am using what looks to be the shortest m7 be which have been used in a while [TS]

  and it does it looks to me as though you're using Xcode yeah they had sex and [TS]

  it's just magnificent everything about this is wonderful [TS]

  I i saw this in this was completely unsolicited none of her least I didn't [TS]

  think you guys had any idea this was coming it just kind of showed up all of [TS]

  a sudden and it is magnificent so like Marco said we'll put this in show notes [TS]

  and and I asked him for the high res version that wasn't crushed by by [TS]

  Twitter's terrible image compression and and he gladly volunteered it doesn't [TS]

  even want money for and suggests that I can put it up and have if anybody wants [TS]

  to get a fracture print of it that I can I can hehe designed it for the medium [TS]

  fracture size in mind so I can put it up in people so I'm definitely getting the [TS]

  reason I asked for it it was before he even told that the reason i ask for it [TS]

  was definitely so that I could get a free to print it rather those getting it [TS]

  from TIFF in the change she was upstairs and she was like this refresher right [TS]

  now I have to talk to her first of all we both had the immediate thought oh man [TS]

  we're both getting it like we have to get this thing at the office so I would [TS]

  I offered to pay him for the high res version and to support his work is this [TS]

  is awesome and all he said was he won't take money if they if we want to see if [TS]

  people want to support his work I definitely do he has an app in the store [TS]

  called disco timer and I i download it before the show its peak hits think it [TS]

  is really it's it's a timer and EULEX I turn to set the time it is so simple it [TS]

  is completely over designed in the best possible way it's full of like animation [TS]

  and really like you know strong visuals and you can just go by disco timer and [TS]

  unlike you to purchase its like three bucks just go by this guy does awesome [TS]

  work and check it out the condition of the well yeah it's a fantastic bizarre [TS]

  it's so good and so chock full of references and every type of screen I [TS]

  just left a little bit because it is so out of control [TS]

  tons of windows and a toaster oven next to John and even like the pilot [TS]

  microphones that is sitting next to me this is sale [TS]

  those are the microphones I was selling like they actually look like like he [TS]

  again the level of he got my keeper in that the level of detail here is really [TS]

  quite something I'm deeply impressed at almost all the details are correct [TS]

  John anything to add on this are you are you pretty much happy with what we just [TS]

  discussed that's fine although I you know there are lots of Corrections I can [TS]

  add to it but I don't want to put that into the head of the artist gotta go [TS]

  back and fix all this day [TS]

  best vestiges go with what you've got and that is spending all your time [TS]

  Harris so I think I'll ask him to make a few alterations to yours that make it [TS]

  even less accurate and I'll mail you a gift fracture with an even less accurate [TS]

  version of you that would be phenomenal [TS]

  you don't even know all the corrections I will tell you after show the after [TS]

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  interesting which every time I say that I have a little bit of surprise in my [TS]

  voice but I shouldn't because they've been doing some interesting stuff for a [TS]

  while now and they've come out with the surface book which at first glance have [TS]

  not really seen much about it I was kind of like and then I looked into it a [TS]

  little bit earlier today and it actually looks pretty good I'm actually fairly [TS]

  impressed by it one of the grapes I had about the services that have existed [TS]

  thus far is that it just seems like a terrible compromise in every direction [TS]

  it's kind of a mini tablet it's kind of a laptop and it just didn't seem from it [TS]

  just physically it didn't seem like it was a very good [TS]

  endpoint for this series of compromises this however the surface book looks like [TS]

  a much better designed laptop that can do more than just a laptop and although [TS]

  I haven't had time to read into it a lot [TS]

  I am very impressed by the little bit of seen so far this is an example of you [TS]

  know the only Apple stuff this isn't only Microsoft thing only Microsoft [TS]

  could have made this and why does Microsoft has an operating system that [TS]

  is the same one you know the same and in a man in concept in a way that runs on [TS]

  their tablets and laptops Apple could make this because then what would you do [TS]

  when you take on the table par with which dialects and i'm looking back to [TS]

  its facts that would be weird so literally only Microsoft could make this [TS]

  because that the only other software platform works like that so that's good [TS]

  at them for taking advantage of I mean I'm sure they consider their strength [TS]

  but surely whether it's a strength or weakness it's surely a differentiator [TS]

  because it is a seamless experience from having a thing connected in having a not [TS]

  connected because it's not like you change OS is it running it was the same [TS]

  oh yeah and what makes this different from a hardware point of view is that [TS]

  the instead of being this like really chancy looking kickstand which I always [TS]

  thought was so ridiculous it has what they call this a sneak in just better in [TS]

  some sort of fancy hands that had a animal analogy anyways it has this weird [TS]

  he knows he can you can fold it back on top of the keyboard and then you can [TS]

  just pop the tablet 'part out and use it as a traditional tablet which also looks [TS]

  pretty good except for the fact that it appears at least on the right side if [TS]

  not both sides it's got a humongous like grill for the fan which is a little [TS]

  unfortunate but by and large it looks like it's a lot less chintzy then all [TS]

  the surfaces surf surf I services to date have been market what do you think [TS]

  about this [TS]

  my concern with this so so it right now it looks really good it looks amazing [TS]

  like it hardware wise this is like I'd be really interested of Apple made [TS]

  something like this of course we know they won't but I'd be really interested [TS]

  if Apple made something like this because I know that you know it would I [TS]

  am ultimately a laptop person when it comes to mobile computing you know I [TS]

  don't with the iPad it just doesn't resonate with me to wait does with a lot [TS]

  of people like I am really a laptop person with the kind of work I like to [TS]

  do with the way let's do it but I I do occasionally I am keenly interested in [TS]

  stuff like you know taking a screen somewhere for some kind of like touch or [TS]

  a pen input I am very interested in in pen type stuff to see like what I could [TS]

  do with that even though in real life and not much of a pen person and maybe [TS]

  that's just right there I don't need it but the hardware on this does look [TS]

  really interesting unfortunately the software is still windows and and I i [TS]

  don't mean to be you know too harsh on Microsoft here is it does kind of feel [TS]

  like they're down but Windows [TS]

  the best that people can say about it these days which is the best of you keep [TS]

  saying what their hardware is what you said what you open up with Casey that [TS]

  it's interesting and interesting is great people have been saying that we [TS]

  know when Windows Phone 8 can I whatever that was officially called when Windows [TS]

  Phone Windows 8 came out with the phone thing in the whole redesign and the [TS]

  artist formerly known as Metro interface style people say the same thing this is [TS]

  really interesting people said the same thing about Palm's webOS webOS webOS was [TS]

  really interesting and you know even before that like BOS was really [TS]

  interesting there's lots of things can get the tech press to say they're [TS]

  interesting and and that's interesting [TS]

  the problem is how often that translator doesn't translate into actually buying [TS]

  and using these things so many of the reviews of these interesting products [TS]

  and in tech history have all been like this would be really nice maybe for [TS]

  somebody who's not me and and that seems to always be the case like the surface [TS]

  book here this would be really interesting for us if we weren't already [TS]

  using Macs for everything and that you know they get [TS]

  ok this this would be if we love the windows world but didn't love the other [TS]

  species that have been keeping us there all this time and I bet a lot of people [TS]

  gonna look at this and say it's interesting but I bet very few of them [TS]

  actually gonna buy it and that's that's been a problem I got doctors have a lot [TS]

  of their recent stuff accuses gonna buy it right but this is not this is [TS]

  different than Windows Phone [TS]

  and that there is a built-in customer base for this because Microsoft issue [TS]

  they this time presenting it as a laptop a woman a laptop oh and by the way the [TS]

  screen comes up you can use a tablet but I don't know if you know this market but [TS]

  I don't think he would want it because the tablet part it's a four hour battery [TS]

  life things happen but more than half the batteries batteries the base or [TS]

  whatever so they split the page does that make sense for weight reasons you [TS]

  have to that's crazy but it's a four hour battery life and tell but anyway [TS]

  Microsoft presenting this as forget about the whole detaching think this is [TS]

  just a good Windows notebook and Windows notebook is not like a speculative [TS]

  product like the surface was like I don't know maybe Bolognese as things [TS]

  stand in the pen people buy windows notebooks that is a thing that people [TS]

  buy this looks like a pretty good Windows notebook like the performance is [TS]

  good the design is pretty nice the features they doubt about it like the [TS]

  keyboard looks well designed one of the features that add has really good key [TS]

  travel on the keys and again how can they have good key travel the keys [TS]

  because the computer is in the screen and the only thing that's in the [TS]

  keyboard part is the the batteries and you know a GPU and you know it also [TS]

  doesn't have the teardrop shape yeah the Technic Pack part is interesting because [TS]

  it still GPU so in the base where the keyboard is there's a bunch of battery [TS]

  there's a keyboard and there's a big GPU and in the tablet part of it there is a [TS]

  small GPU and some battery and the actual CPU and memory in the rest of the [TS]

  computer I would love to know what their interconnected like is it some [TS]

  proprietary PCI Express thing is actually Thunderbolt over custom connect [TS]

  there is not a standard they made up their own connector and even that they [TS]

  could doing interesting things like how do we connect the top to the bottom part [TS]

  with these little like a metal muscles wires they remember their shape and [TS]

  reformed their shape if you apply current to them using that to sort of [TS]

  pull tightly clasped some stuff and have like a little like a BMW market like it [TS]

  when they disengage the little hooks to let you know disengage the speakers play [TS]

  a sound like a little snake so you know so you know when you know it is that you [TS]

  know just again ignoring the terrible part of it it's a pretty neat Windows [TS]

  laptop and so I think they're positioning this product as a Windows [TS]

  laptop first and by the way [TS]

  dependent type stuff second is really smart and I think it's not doomed like [TS]

  the services it to be like wild interesting but i dont really wanna know [TS]

  because even though we're we're not going to get it has been ten right [TS]

  people who are already buying Windows laptops are in the market for small [TS]

  Windows laptop today travel with or whatever and they're looking at what [TS]

  should I get like a Dell laptop or should I get a Lenovo laptop or should I [TS]

  get this thing this has a lot of Appeal cuz it's it's nicer looking than the [TS]

  most of the other you know when those notebooks si it's it's interesting with [TS]

  the tablet angle and you can always say like well I know that the tablet thing [TS]

  turns out not to be useful to me it's still a nice laptop so I think I feel [TS]

  good things about this this product on the market the only question marks in my [TS]

  mind in terms of how they're gonna do something about top is like how good at [TS]

  the Microsoft manufacturing they are making this new cells than outsourcing [TS]

  as far as I understand that a lot of practice with the service and dealing [TS]

  with manufacturing things like this is this is a skill set that Microsoft is [TS]

  developing novel has developed it apples got it right and presumably Lenovo and [TS]

  Dell and all those other things have their own version of this expertise [TS]

  right but Microsoft clearly aiming at the we want the fit and finish are an [TS]

  apple type product design expertise and probably gonna go for you want to be as [TS]

  good a manufacturer's able to put the long road traveling that road so it is [TS]

  an interesting product I think it it is a smart move them in a statement to make [TS]

  the service for like they're still going out to pasture action but this is a [TS]

  smart move to say you know this is a product that only Microsoft could make [TS]

  it advances our goals on all fronts in terms of getting better at making [TS]

  products and having them well designed this stuff like that and it will appeal [TS]

  to an actual customer base that is you know every year buying a bunch of [TS]

  windows that Windows laptops is not a growth industry [TS]

  Duramax but hey you know start start small like as they give us such a [TS]

  Nutella that is about it like this is our desire colorful IMAX I guess [TS]

  everything can be there call for IMAX but they're recognizing that there in [TS]

  the beginning stages of a resurgence and I think this is the right way to do it [TS]

  you know like I think if they want to to get more like the Apple like market or [TS]

  the Apple like appeal of having this really nice hardware with good [TS]

  integration of the software you know people have been saying that one of the [TS]

  problems they have with this is is their relationship with OEM and how this is [TS]

  going to change that and and harm that possibly and I don't think that's really [TS]

  a concern at this point because I think you know you know what is Dell gonna do [TS]

  start putting Linux on those things know they there in a copy this design then [TS]

  the same thing with all the service like that's what the audience will do they [TS]

  will make things that look and act just like this which i think is also fine [TS]

  with Microsoft yet but I think we've seen over the last decade we're like you [TS]

  know Microsoft has been pushing various things here and there and the OEM have [TS]

  been trying to compete better with apple and I think but we keep seeing over and [TS]

  over again is that the the Windows PC makers just aren't very good at really [TS]

  truly compete with Apple hardware that uniform ever reason if they if they just [TS]

  can't do it right or Dagostino can can take the margin hit by making better [TS]

  stuff whatever the case may be the they aren't doing it so if Microsoft can step [TS]

  in an attempt to do it then you know more power to them [TS]

  the biggest problem I think with this though is earlier but like who will buy [TS]

  this and and will appeal to them right now people who have wanted a [TS]

  premium-quality well-thought-out highly integrated computer for the last decade [TS]

  or more have been buying Macs even know even PC people like me and Casey PC [TS]

  people we know many of us especially like in the web developer community so [TS]

  many of us move to max over the last decade that the question of who who's [TS]

  gonna switch back i think is going to be a pretty small number and all the [TS]

  remaining people who use PC's are still adding it still by far the dominant [TS]

  platform the question is will this appeal to those people you know relative [TS]

  to if you look at why people who who do buy PCs who aren't buying [TS]

  asks why they still buy PCs and a lot of that is is 480 cheaper hardware much [TS]

  more variety of the type of her that's available [TS]

  different types of me no more powerful stuff you can get for the money or or [TS]

  more powerful you can get a different form factors like you know people people [TS]

  buy PCs often want like really beefy gaming GPUs and laptops and stuff like [TS]

  that or people who might buy stuff for offices wants to be really cheap and [TS]

  then easily manage the stuff so will the people who are still buying PCs today [TS]

  want to buy this and I I know some of them will but the question is will [TS]

  enough by it to really matter to really kind of shift things around and start [TS]

  meaningful and momentum behind us and I don't know I think the answer is [TS]

  definitely yes so my brother-in-law is deep into the Microsoft stack he does [TS]

  seem sort of work I do typically more around see masses than I do although I [TS]

  do a lot of that work he sent me a text today telling me that he was getting the [TS]

  surface book he was getting the new version of Microsoft banned and I didn't [TS]

  ask him if he's gonna stick with his Windows Phone or not but I am pretty [TS]

  sure he's feeling the pain in that department but he loves his existing [TS]

  Microsoft banned he loves the signal is existing surface and he is seriously [TS]

  amped up over the surface book and I think the thing is that for PC users [TS]

  that are genuinely content being PC users not ones with a philandering I [TS]

  that are looking at Apple saying that looks interesting but ones who are [TS]

  really interested in two pcs they're saying this is perfect it is the [TS]

  no-compromise machine that really is nothing but compromises but it's the [TS]

  no-compromise machine it is a perfect tablet that can do anything now like [TS]

  your piece of crap iPad that can only do i pair things it can do anything and as [TS]

  soon as it becomes a tablet I don't have to compromise and use a neutered [TS]

  operating system then when I feel like typing I have a perfectly good full-size [TS]

  keyboard not this hacky keyboard the kind of folds up on itself and folds [TS]

  around [TS]

  behind or in front or whatever it's a full honest-to-goodness keyboard this is [TS]

  perfect for those kinds of people I'm not saying I'm one of them I i wud can't [TS]

  imagine that this would be terribly Greek to use and even offered great [TS]

  things about Windows 10 I have no particular interest in getting into that [TS]

  however if you're in that mindset of I want something with no compromises I [TS]

  don't want apple tell me what to do and how to do it I want something that I can [TS]

  do whatever I want with in any form factor at any time with no compromises [TS]

  again actually built on compromises then this is the thing for me and it really [TS]

  is playing to their market and I think it's doing it well I mean I admire what [TS]

  they're doing I think they're playing to the market very well it's just that [TS]

  that's not for me and I think it's safe to say it's not for you guys either [TS]

  that's akin I know that everything is wrong with us know that we all said nice [TS]

  things about it [TS]

  sure there's a kind of shooting fish in a barrel if you wanna feel better about [TS]

  it think about the first MacBook Air which is also a mass as a product is [TS]

  doing better than that let's start with the hinges that we just talked about [TS]

  this this if you haven't seen the pictures you might want to talk about [TS]

  the hinge right this is weird because the first thing that they know about it [TS]

  when it's in the closed position the top half does not touch the bottom half [TS]

  completely like it does on the Mac laptops there's a big gap but you could [TS]

  drop coins that you could put thing really drop coins treated like a big [TS]

  opening you can see Dale you can see daylight through a very large open there [TS]

  is actually one advantage of this very large opening agenda not complain about [TS]

  is that you don't get your fingers months from the keys onto the screen [TS]

  that has happened with a lot of Mac laptops in the past month have the [TS]

  problem you can tell me that only use laptops the 15 does a little bit it [TS]

  depends it depends a lot on how you put it in a bag and what is pushing against [TS]

  it if you don't have a lot of pressure pushes it more closed if that makes [TS]

  sense if you can avoid that kind of pressure in your bag but either how you [TS]

  put it in her how much other stuff you put in the bag with it [TS]

  you generally get those marks anyway and that's a problem applicants all but hey [TS]

  guess what a little extra clearance there [TS]

  but anyway that is the one advantage though the keyboard John the one place [TS]

  you need clearance but that's not important we can cut that out about the [TS]

  MacBook one keys don't touch screen broke up from the anyway [TS]

  the disadvantage of course is that it makes the wider and wider makes it [TS]

  really why and that's not great for like he wanted it depends on how you feel [TS]

  like you see everything those things with a show like a picture of a bunch of [TS]

  pencils pencils poking out and various other things are slightly disordered and [TS]

  you're the type of person who likes like all your books line of me then your [TS]

  bookshelf and all your things just so looking at those pictures and give you [TS]

  discomfort this laptop I'm gonna go by the way this laptop has been a little [TS]

  bit like can't you just can't disclose it disclose it all the way did you think [TS]

  flat like you just want to just stop on that anyway so the fact of his [TS]

  generation is that it makes it a wider on the end which isn't great but you do [TS]

  want a laptop to be because the screen part of it is basically the computer and [TS]

  the bottom part of it even though it has a GPU and a keyboard and a bunch of [TS]

  parts on it is not the computer screen part is wider than you would expect in a [TS]

  hot topic these days on the Mac laptops this part is really that all is really [TS]

  really really think this can be really think that's where the whole CPU is a [TS]

  fan and that is how much other stuff as we know from other services when you do [TS]

  that that makes that top are heavy and if you're not careful when you put it in [TS]

  a laptop shape you can tip over because if you don't have it exactly right angle [TS]

  you open up to a wider angle than that and once you open up to a wider angle at [TS]

  the top part is heavy on the keyboard part is light just tip over and of [TS]

  course you don't think that you wanted to stay like a laptop right that's what [TS]

  is hinges doing they're they're so close like basically what they did was they [TS]

  took they took the battery battery is their balanced right so they've got the [TS]

  GPU here we got the CPU and the screen there we get the parts but we haven't [TS]

  put battery anywhere yet in that arrangement no battery anywhere the top [TS]

  is happier with the top has more stuff in it like it is just the screen alone [TS]

  the glass and the screen like it is just the heaviest part is like right this [TS]

  thing to stand upright in this situation but we haven't been any better yet we [TS]

  distribute the battery so it sits upright [TS]

  and they don't want to take all the battery and shove it into the keyboard [TS]

  part because then you teaches at Apple you get thirty seconds about it so they [TS]

  want as much as possible in the screen so they're doing this balancing act [TS]

  we're like the battery in the bottom but the battery and top then just doing the [TS]

  balance like how can we get it so doesn't tip over but we have the most [TS]

  battery possible to top part and to get just a little bit of extra battery in [TS]

  the top part to get it to not tip over that's when the hinge comes in because [TS]

  when you open the hinge the hinge effectively makes the base wider like it [TS]

  puts the heavy part farther away [TS]

  dr dre 2474 you like the hands lays down on the table [TS]

  effectively making the base longer so that the weight that's the end of the [TS]

  base that apart like when the trackpad is which by the way the glass trackpad [TS]

  and I can see plastic one that weight now can hold that in down better like [TS]

  they're getting just a little bit of extra stability by making the handsome [TS]

  they become part of the three segments of the hinge become part of the bottom [TS]

  part of the Hindu like seriously does that extra half an interest centimeter [TS]

  make a difference that's what kind of Harriman they're drawing in terms of [TS]

  like tip ability not to bility I'm not saying it's like teetering on the brink [TS]

  of saying they had some criteria for how typical they want to be like where the [TS]

  center of gravity is whatever and those three little segments that lay on the [TS]

  table and you open up you give them a little bit of extra margin let them put [TS]

  a little bit of extra battery in the top part that cases that is a hell of a [TS]

  compromise like this hinders not therefore design reasons not their first [TS]

  are reasons and it's not there to keep your fingers off the screen by putting a [TS]

  half inch gap between the key caps on the screen it's there to try to work [TS]

  around the compromise they've they've had to deal with and compromises that [TS]

  applicants for hours about her life and that is just no good like you want to do [TS]

  you want to use it as a tablet any substantial amount of time don't get [TS]

  this one like get the actual surface Pro for like two because most of the battery [TS]

  in this thing is in the base part of it and the final thing I would say is for [TS]

  Microsoft design everything I admire all the interesting things that they're [TS]

  doing and that they're trying to gain his expertise but they still seem with [TS]

  their hardware design [TS]

  if not there's obvious signs trapped in the white room that johnnie I've made [TS]

  this is a silver metallic laptop it's got a light-up logo on the back of it is [TS]

  not shaped like an apple shaped like a little silly Windows logo but not a [TS]

  great look like squint and it looks like every other laptop and every other [TS]

  laptop Apple laptops I know it's magnesium and aluminum but like the [TS]

  aesthetic the overall there have you know the key is our look like Apple's [TS]

  keys about their you know magnesium instead they're not domes which is like [TS]

  apples so dominates hardware design and visually that everything on the computer [TS]

  including Microsoft super innovative ones just didn't live in the shadow of [TS]

  everything that Apple's design team has done and I feel like eventually they're [TS]

  going to have to go their own way and get out of that shadow like it's gonna [TS]

  get things done he said a million times as you want to make a design that [TS]

  actually do whatever one thinks it's inevitable and it's it's a blessing and [TS]

  the curse of course that's what allowed to be shaped like that's what they're [TS]

  shaped like no this is Johnny I've made them like don't accept his is not [TS]

  actually inevitable it's great design makes you think it's inevitable but like [TS]

  everyone else is like well this is a laptop to look like I we have no choice [TS]

  but to make it down to making a glass trackpad the materials the colors the [TS]

  appearance just you know I get Microsoft getting out of the materials were gonna [TS]

  use magnesium it's better than aluminum and we're gonna do with manufacturers [TS]

  like Ryan good but like you still not making a silver laptop though you're [TS]

  going logo on the back of it that's it for someone who has never actually touch [TS]

  when these things just looking at the pictures but i think is this it gets up [TS]

  to 12 hours of video playback John but it's connected to the giant battery and [TS]

  the keyboard to type on their website [TS]

  yeah yeah the link here it appears in the shadows on the main page under tech [TS]

  specs you scroll down past the picture of the two laptops choose the power you [TS]

  need and it says Intel Core i-5 with Intel H geographic's its first Big D [TS]

  graphics Intel Extreme graphics on exist [TS]

  hopefully they put more into detail into the actual manufacturing of the product [TS]

  the OS integration is again you know it's great that Microsoft not only [TS]

  Microsoft Zappos Intuit as well but it's it's a typical Apple moves like hey [TS]

  we're gonna make this weird thing with two GPUs is that gonna be supported well [TS]

  windows yeah cuz we write when [TS]

  will make sure that you know it's it's kind of like when Apple did the GPU [TS]

  switching where we have discrete and integrated in the same I double smiley [TS]

  switch between them and a book kinda screwed that up hopefully Microsoft did [TS]

  a better job because they basically have the same thing they have the big faster [TS]

  GPU and the keyboard part and the lower power not especially Buena Park and I'm [TS]

  assuming it does some if not smart smart switching between them to just two modes [TS]

  like one all discrete him on all integrated going back to what you said [TS]

  about the journey I've trap of design here obviously and bring about to have a [TS]

  little bit I would love to see more variety I think it seems like Apple's [TS]

  computer design is is really kind of stuck in a rut and I don't know you know [TS]

  maybe Jony ive has has just reached the limit of what he cares to do on computer [TS]

  designs his team but anyway the Mac Pro was a breath of fresh air [TS]

  are not so fresh air but you can't say it looked like an aluminum machine [TS]

  rounded corner rectangle that's true yes the Mac Pro I think looks great its [TS]

  I don't know but you know we all know that they really mostly just sell [TS]

  laptops these days and I am a little bit I don't know maybe I'm just bored cuz [TS]

  I've been using laptops look basically the same for the last fifteen years 10 [TS]

  years by Max so I don't know why I would love to see a little more variety in in [TS]

  what apple offers they are doing colors now the colors are barely different from [TS]

  each other I get what you're saying though they are very like in there is we [TS]

  are in iraq we are designed for this and there is room to do more interesting [TS]

  things bed I think the problem that Apple faces with us as we talk about [TS]

  doesn't and patches for that one [TS]

  laptops are constrained by being laptops to some degree you can make the Mac Pro [TS]

  weird too because whatever like you know carrying around two laptops for the most [TS]

  part have to be a thing that is small and light and that is reasonably [TS]

  portable which probably means it has to fold flat into some kind of shape it's [TS]

  not too big to fit in the back like that those constraints really you know the [TS]

  screen is not gonna be circular like us to do only so much you can do it within [TS]

  the constraints you know the Apple design has been like over just need to [TS]

  refine it down to its essence [TS]

  blah blah blah and they've been doing that and they eventually settled on [TS]

  material which is big and black aluminum they carve out that strong and light and [TS]

  attractive and durable and all that stuff which is just so much better than [TS]

  everything else that right which include plastic and titanium and aluminum that [TS]

  wasn't carved out of a single giant block the aluminum unibody is a great [TS]

  design from at like and so the problems faced with either we can continue to do [TS]

  athletic things with with the Singapore government which I think there's room [TS]

  that like you can make a Darth Vader black $150 for intrusion of the all [TS]

  black book and that would be great or you can make one that has like a mirror [TS]

  finish something like I don't like there are things you can do it in the middle [TS]

  but that's mostly just you know service designed to go to the next stage of [TS]

  design he had to change materials and I'm sure in the lab somewhere Apple's [TS]

  constantly evaluating as a luminary best material to make a lot that is there [TS]

  anything else we do carbon fiber revisit titanium magnesium Microsoft in like new [TS]

  materials could mean something new for them especially if they you know say [TS]

  what now we're into the area where things are going to be flexible instead [TS]

  of rigid we have like sloppy OLED screens that roll out on a little still [TS]

  I don't know but for the foreseeable future [TS]

  I think you seemed aluminum is the best choice and then they're athletic choices [TS]

  within that are constrained both buy me a laptop and by like there's only so [TS]

  much you can do it but me know in the end their timid tinting of the aluminum [TS]

  is still pretty wimpy like a jet black one alone would be exciting out there [TS]

  may be a bit like oh that looks cool I'll be interested to not have yet [TS]

  another million silver laptops emails let me look at look at what they're able [TS]

  to do with the iPod Touch colors they look great and the iPod's from the iPod [TS]

  nano iPod touch those those have these bold bright colors that change every few [TS]

  years and you know that would be really interesting on on laptops on the phones [TS]

  but but there there's so much more conservative and I'm sure there's good [TS]

  reason for that [TS]

  with you know design marketing fashion whatever but I I'm in a really really [TS]

  kind of bored with their designs and maybe that's you know that's obviously a [TS]

  really like stupid thing to worry about but I would like to see them straight [TS]

  more variety there and you gotta be careful gesture though because the thing [TS]

  is just flashing to my mind was like a MacBook one was not actually called him [TS]

  a quick one new US news is what we call on the bed keyboard but like what you [TS]

  know where it still silver or maybe it's black or maybe like to integrate it [TS]

  still the only thing you have to mess with color wise there is the keyboard [TS]

  wanna make the keyboard donation make the keyboard flower power like these are [TS]

  things that have happened like why did you like the iMac is defined by CRT [TS]

  we've got a slot loading Dr we've done a bunch of weeks is designed you know what [TS]

  we've got this big bang campus let's do something with it and they don't have [TS]

  much of a campaign of the ones I guess they could pick the back of the [TS]

  screening of weird [TS]

  aftermarket stuff where the laser etcher laptop with like flowers there whatever [TS]

  there's not there's only so much room for four things until you for innovation [TS]

  in this space with you stick to loan them unless you start saying all rights [TS]

  under wallpaper things time to just like there's a bunch of services that a [TS]

  treatise billboards and I'm just going to put a bunch of stuff on them and I [TS]

  don't think the flower power and domination IMAX which are real things [TS]

  young people that actually happened I don't think they sold very well but that [TS]

  sort of the logical conclusion of we are in a designed run and we can't think of [TS]

  anything else we've done colors who've done shapes where we're stuck with this [TS]

  until we can come up with the flat panel iMac you know in which case they started [TS]

  renovating again in the design at the very end of its life cycle they said [TS]

  alright patterns whatever I say its budget this week is mail route to the [TS]

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  lot of our friends like really excited about this don't care why should I care [TS]

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  but you know her leadership over the years has been such a revolving door [TS]

  just like I don't know it seems like they have a lot of issues up there that [TS]

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  world right now and I hope they don't screw it up but I have no idea whether [TS]

  this is a step in the right direction or not that's the smart thing to do I care [TS]

  about Twitter's that I care about the direction to it as Twitter user but I [TS]

  don't know enough about Jack Dorsey or the history behind leadership but what's [TS]

  really going on behind the scenes to know whether this is a good or a bad [TS]

  thing or it's just you know wait five minutes someone else will be in charge [TS]

  so doesn't matter so I really hope this is a good thing a lot of people seem to [TS]

  think it is but I have no particular information or faith that this is going [TS]

  to make things better than they have been I mean I will say that it did seem [TS]

  like they were going in a bad direction and so you know a change is probably for [TS]

  the best but you know the reason they were going in a bad direction was [TS]

  probably not because of who the CEO was it's probably cause of all the pressures [TS]

  they're facing you know they they face so much pressure now their public [TS]

  company and they're really not hitting their growth or use of vehicles there [TS]

  under so much pressure from everybody from the investors from the public from [TS]

  the press almost certainly from the board as a result of all those things [TS]

  they're under so much pressure to reduce their numbers and really you know get [TS]

  the growth and get the usage because they're not keeping up with where they [TS]

  want to be in their stock prices in doing that well as a result and blah [TS]

  blah blah and so it has a lot less to do i think with like you know somebody [TS]

  sitting in a conference room saying this is what I feel is best for the product I [TS]

  think it instead it's like dealing with that giant pile of crap that whoever is [TS]

  in charge of Twitter had to deal with now as a result of these market [TS]

  pressures and and them really not hitting their numbers recently and and [TS]

  that you know anybody in that position is gonna have a big challenge it does [TS]

  seem like people are confident in Jack and he does seem to have a lot of [TS]

  political capital there so maybe this is promising who knows but it's it's not a [TS]

  simple problem and then it's not you know that the things they change it [TS]

  might not be you know all green lucky for us i mean Dick Costolo is doing a [TS]

  pretty good job on a lot of fronts you know he wasn't doing great and [TS]

  everything but he was doing pretty well a lot of things and a lot of the things [TS]

  we didn't like some of the monetization and add stuff but he was he was doing [TS]

  fairly well in that kinda stuff as far as I know so I I don't think you know if [TS]

  if they start making changes for the note to keep themselves afloat get to [TS]

  keep their numbers going up to keep their product you know going where it [TS]

  should be doing most of that sounds to me like they need to do things we don't [TS]

  like like they need to inject cash into the stream for their client they need to [TS]

  actually really not boost third-party clients because they need to take [TS]

  control of their own product stuff that I don't like but it's probably gonna [TS]

  happen [TS]

  control of their own product they kind of have her well maybe it's clear they [TS]

  don't know what to do with that control like they like now we control the blog [TS]

  and what we're gonna do with it is let most of our clients right to crap and [TS]

  then we don't know what we're going to do with and so that's like well you got [TS]

  the control of the second part of having the control is doing something with that [TS]

  control and so far they've just been floundering like it makes the that's why [TS]

  people are up to code accuracy you maybe understand the developers are important [TS]

  I cannot say that the good strategy but at least that's crazy or something would [TS]

  happen like it I think the problem has been there hasn't been a clear direction [TS]

  was like ok so much for third parties were gonna take control but they didn't [TS]

  like they didn't take that take the ball and run with it like we've got control [TS]

  now had to go boldly often in this direction which may have been the wrong [TS]

  direction but at least you can say well this is the thing they did they took [TS]

  control from third-party developers near a necessity claims direction and guess [TS]

  what there was a brick wall oh well but at least they tried something the only [TS]

  thing that did you know that we know will have some effect is well [TS]

  you could run back in the other direction we're used to be like a third [TS]

  parties are welcome and like everybody wants to have an EBIT you-all you know [TS]

  maybe have some revenue-sharing arrangement where like if you sell it or [TS]

  client and use our API to give it a percentage of the money or something [TS]

  like that but that's not gonna make them rich that's not gonna move the needle on [TS]

  the stock price we know it would work [TS]

  developers would love to do it third-party clients would flourish they [TS]

  would make some money off that but it will be peanuts compared to what they [TS]

  have to make two to be the company that everyone thinks they're supposed to be [TS]

  the only good thing you could say about whether this point is no matter who's in [TS]

  charge [TS]

  eventually as the CEO's rotate as bad as things get as long as to where it [TS]

  continues to be like it is now somebody can always sell it like this plenty of [TS]

  people who will buy Twitter right now today if the price is right [TS]

  including probably Apple because twitter is still a thing it is popular has [TS]

  changed everywhere you see them on TV it has gotten into the cultures and agree [TS]

  that worst-case scenario the very very worst is the last CEO at the door so the [TS]

  company to one of the million eager buyers maybe not for what they could [TS]

  have got at the peak of their fame but surely enough to give that CEO golden [TS]

  parachute and to say well we made some money for investors and its fine and we [TS]

  couldn't very well to do with the company will it be absorbed into another [TS]

  company that has some other way to make tons of money and we're just like a [TS]

  little nice to have value it will say I've been trying to get excited about [TS]

  this and I don't care if you guys seen the new moment thing he was talking [TS]

  about that I like it like that we don't use that the 2010 is the official client [TS]

  it's like it's everybody who's not a TechNet and cable says the teaching [TS]

  think maybe I think even he finally went back to his thing I still launch the [TS]

  official I have been installed and I still launched every once in a while [TS]

  mostly because I know this is a rational but I don't want people send me Twitter [TS]

  DM's all the third party clients I feel nervous about whether I'm correctly [TS]

  using them to send DM's and the official Twitter client has a more reassuring [TS]

  interface for GM's I found even to eat but forward to just installed tonight I [TS]

  was gonna do Senate Dems over there on it but the plus button and type in [TS]

  someone's name [TS]

  and it didn't come up in the search in like 10 percent follows me but I don't [TS]

  follow them and not coming up and I know how to send this person a message was [TS]

  afraid to do DSpace you know the old ways ways maybe the best ways but at [TS]

  this point I'm so nervous that something is not going to honor the DSpace [TS]

  whatever name and I'm going to probably to eat something that I'm trying to be [TS]

  in I'm so anyway we always say that I do not require you know maybe once a month [TS]

  or so and just I can make it tells of it in there I don't know what's going on [TS]

  wanna get the hell out of there and back to any other client as fast as I can [TS]

  just for what it's worth John if you ever need ADM guinea pig happy to be [TS]

  that guy I'm here for you now this promise it'll work on you and then like [TS]

  I accidentally put extra Space Center use a capital D because I didn't notice [TS]

  the shift key was on a down and just I just feel I want to read more reassuring [TS]

  GUI interfaces like you're in the DMZ zone now and first you're gonna pick the [TS]

  person you're DMing by tapping on them like not typing their name the next is [TS]

  okay this is a DMD this person you are clearly state that you're in a DMD this [TS]

  person type your diem here and the only thing you can do from that screen to [TS]

  type in the AM right I'm really nervous about just a generic field even though [TS]

  he's due back in the old days now that special now to diem link limits are up [TS]

  and people using it more like I am I just wanna get the hell off toward as [TS]

  possible so afraid that accidentally start you know put something in public [TS]

  that shouldn't be it's bad enough but like I message is everything in one [TS]

  window cleaning people the wrong message will have no such thing as likely to [TS]

  miss sidebar because it's a single window interface you need your windows I [TS]

  now eighteen 18 remembers the size and position of the winners for each [TS]

  individual person who I'm way less likely to do wrong window an ATM that [TS]

  in and messages and historically like I just as the other day I i'm pretty much [TS]

  average once every other month I send someone the wrong message my message and [TS]

  ATM I think I may be done it once in three years I can't believe he's still [TS]

  use Adium I mean I can with all you my message people sorry yeah I send it to [TS]

  my aim name a couple of years ago and just like I just removed it from my [TS]

  chest just got done now I think pretty much everyone I can persuade in a way [TS]

  that I would previously have described as instant messaging it's all I message [TS]

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  exxon so keep up for came out finally hand it's really good I'm really liking [TS]

  it and you know I was talking about this recently on another show and [TS]

  I I have nothing against Twitterrific I love Craig are converted and and I'd [TS]

  like to a terrific but it doesn't operate the way my brain operates and [TS]

  that doesn't make it wrong by any stretch and clearly John it operates the [TS]

  way your brain operates but is it just the unified timeline I know the unified [TS]

  time I doesn't bother me but you know the way to a pot has the tale of being [TS]

  specific about the phone and I'm and I used Twitterrific more on the iPad and [TS]

  iPad within arms reach but like looking at at replies I know there was a temper [TS]

  that gaza you know it's a very valid question that I can remember off top my [TS]

  head what would bother me about it but anytime I went to drill deeper into a [TS]

  conversation for example something about it was always backwards from what I [TS]

  expected it's just things didn't work the way I expected them to wear isn't [TS]

  we've got everything worked the way I expected it to after taking his homework [TS]

  to come up with some specifics for next week was it like the Swype directions [TS]

  and stuff like that sometimes white directions like muscle memory like I [TS]

  don't know if you ask me I don't even know what swype directions are to show [TS]

  the conversation and all replies and stuff into my fingers just do them he [TS]

  makes key combos I realized I realize now people work I try to tell you max [TS]

  keep things to that I don't know what the kids are my hands no but I don't [TS]

  know and I try to explain it I say the wrong thing and they try and I tried [TS]

  that and nothing happened in like I guess that's not it I had to put my [TS]

  hands on the keyboard in just just do this I'm like oh yeah [TS]

  control likes be but it's not control anyway like in all fairness nobody knows [TS]

  what you like but muscle memory with iOS apps with justice I find this true a lot [TS]

  of the case where you just get used to like and it's weird to say I get swipe [TS]

  to the left it depends on how you conceptualize that like mi revealing [TS]

  more information from the right or am i moving the virtual tile to the left [TS]

  I don't reebok has like the controls on the bottom and terrific like doesn't [TS]

  reveal an extra set of controls on the bottom [TS]

  and anyway I I can see how the gestures may be different but i think thats like [TS]

  a surmountable like muscle memory is insurmountable odds fine I've got [TS]

  installed installed unified time I have my big feature but other than that I [TS]

  feel like it's like six of one half dozen the other end then that's probably [TS]

  true in in the thing of it is that just for me it's gestures that's it's some of [TS]

  the ways things are displayed and actually opening on my phone even though [TS]

  I don't typically use I never used my phone just some of the stuff was just [TS]

  kind of backwards and weird to me when I swipe to see a conversation the thing [TS]

  twittered about is now doing this was kinda drives me crazy but the the tweet [TS]

  that I was looking into the conversation for some kind of the subject of that [TS]

  gesture is all the way at the bottom which drives me crazy enough to keep [TS]

  doing that which drives me insane that always kind of annoyed me what's [TS]

  replying was always basically ok I know I have to play around with it again and [TS]

  then see what it was that bothered me but maybe it just does come down to [TS]

  gestures to spin backwards from I'm expecting in any case three bodies out [TS]

  it includes the iPad app I love it I think it's great i like the new Activity [TS]

  tab I'm a little sad that a while ago now the retweet stabbed kind of died in [TS]

  a fire which I used to like looking at yeah I miss that too [TS]

  III campaign during the beta but the screen without the ID I did the same and [TS]

  I was told in no uncertain terms it's not happening but I do like the activity [TS]

  stream screen I think it's gonna call definitely not something I should be [TS]

  looking at because the last thing I need to do is be looking at whether more in [TS]

  trying to engage with my brand more but nevertheless I do like it I think it's [TS]

  cool but there was a lot of anger as with every time that the teapot [TS]

  succeeding Tapout guys released a new version that costs money people really [TS]

  upset about paying $5 for an app that if they're anything like me they use for [TS]

  hours every single day in Jesus just when we gonna get off the street no [TS]

  well you know I wonder like how much of it is just people who can be safely [TS]

  ignored you know because the reality is they still hit number one paid app on [TS]

  the chart I don't know where they are now but they hit on their launch day so [TS]

  you know it's selling well you're always going to have when you when you have [TS]

  that many people you're gonna have a lot of people who complain and it's always a [TS]

  percentage of the user base who's gonna be angry matter what the question is are [TS]

  you or are there more than what could be expected for that number of people and [TS]

  honestly I don't think there are mean I i dont see their support email I don't [TS]

  tweet so I don't know but from what I've heard here and there what I seen you [TS]

  know I looked there after reviews and doesn't seem like it's any worse than [TS]

  what you'd expect from any Apple had that many people using it so yet they [TS]

  charge for a great cares [TS]

  the people who care are people who you know but I think I think we'd all be [TS]

  better off ignoring those people honestly I think you're right but I love [TS]

  the new app I think it's great I've always loved to eat but I will probably [TS]

  for everyone Tweetbot marquai's him you're you're into it as well you're [TS]

  you're doing it [TS]

  yeah I mean I've been using it for a while and I really like it John is just [TS]

  not even worth you look at me I know you said you installed it but not even worth [TS]

  taking seriously because no no unified timeline [TS]

  back up to my calves I want something is wonky wanna make sure this is a decline [TS]

  issue or if I want to you know if you like the activities you don't ever use [TS]

  that but if it's an example of future that doesn't have it if I wanted [TS]

  something like that I would go there so it's like Twitter forget what I use [TS]

  every day all day sweet spot if I feel like I want to try something different [TS]

  client and then finally falling all the way back to the official client there's [TS]

  something that is only supported the official and I want to see what it's [TS]

  like an official or whatever I've always got three pine so it's unlikely another [TS]

  page of icons is not a folder folder the official 21 is in a folder but I get [TS]

  around that I was by an upgraded maybe it's I'm wasting my money on it [TS]

  sign up to 15 times for the next upgrade but I like seeing what's happening in [TS]

  the Twitter clients faces a lot of time into her team here [TS]

  yeah I mean it's like this is [TS]

  my most used apps on the iPhone no question and in the Mac it's it's up [TS]

  there on the Mac maybe mail and Safari beat it but which is sad but the fact is [TS]

  you know like I guess you mentioned like this is it's part of so many of our like [TS]

  professional and social lives it's all intertwined in there and it's very hard [TS]

  to get out of that so I don't know I think you know Twitter it [TS]

  twitter is here to stay for a while for a lot of us and if you're going to be [TS]

  using to either one of these apps that's not the official Twitter app is usually [TS]

  right move and you know teapot is the one that fits me best as case you [TS]

  mentioned I tried to a terrific I can see why people like it doesn't fit me as [TS]

  well I completely agree so yeah it's you know this is to me this is a great [TS]

  update and I'm happy with it right they said two or three sponsors this week [TS]

  Squarespace mail route and fracture and we'll see you next week [TS]

  now the show they didn't even mean to begin [TS]

  accidental accidental john Kasay [TS]

  and Markel [TS]

  yeah I bought it with the peace money that had returned it tough luck I keep [TS]

  seeing a red one in town somebody in town has or has the red p85 D and looks [TS]

  really good so i think im gonna go read if I do it I i still before I make a [TS]

  final decision I still do wanna do one more test drive and I would like to test [TS]

  drive the the non PC version just the 85 or 90 D because that's the one I would [TS]

  probably want to get I I don't think I want to go all the way the pee just [TS]

  because it even though I did love driving it it's like 20 grand more [TS]

  mostly for a kiss this insane mode that I actually found too fast and slightly [TS]

  unpleasant te Chris mode though maybe that goes it wraps around become sublime [TS]

  right there with the 95 D has 90 only but yea right now but what does nine TDs [TS]

  and even shown on the website is it just a range between 85 you pay like an extra [TS]

  three grand yet to get it it's just a bigger better but that's the ludicrous [TS]

  motor which is a step up from insane yeah it will you can you can get any of [TS]

  them in that capacity but requires it but it doesn't mean I'm definitely doing [TS]

  look that's you know you have to try to at least one thing is that it could wrap [TS]

  around you don't know if I'm so you said you which one do you think you want [TS]

  though I probably would get to be the 9th ed so it is it is the one that is [TS]

  roughly as fast as the m5 and it is you know the longest range you can get in [TS]

  their lineup the things about the pee pee version basically gets you like you [TS]

  know red brake calipers which look cool but I don't need them and the option for [TS]

  a carbon fiber spoilers I think she looks bad so you know I don't really [TS]

  need it for the differ- that like I don't I wouldn't feel but spending that [TS]

  much extra money on it if the if e 85 / 90 D is almost as good I also like the [TS]

  fact is my car right now is faster than what I usually continues with it you [TS]

  know I live in [TS]

  a driver on residential streets most of the time I can't and really shouldn't [TS]

  have a faster car then I have now I don't even need a car has a stash of the [TS]

  wanna have now and I'm also adding mentioned once before I'm kind of over [TS]

  having a loud car I like I never liked my cars to be loud I get I've been [TS]

  getting cars that are loud because I like the way they drive their fast and [TS]

  sporty but I i I always feel self-conscious with driving a very loud [TS]

  car in a residential street and so it seems like you know the loudness of the [TS]

  M cars is completely artificial lighting it not even just with the radio in the [TS]

  car but even the outside noise like you can put any muffler on there that sound [TS]

  like anything you want and the only reason to make them ladders because a [TS]

  lot of people want that it sounds fast and so a lot of people who are buying [TS]

  fast cars could write a lot of people who are buying fast cars want the they [TS]

  want they demand that it be loud like that's what they tell me that it feels [TS]

  so slick pandering if you also artificially low skills insulting my [TS]

  intelligence that like they take this car and they just make it louder because [TS]

  they think I will require that I know it so i dont that doesn't feel great to me [TS]

  and you know as I'm getting older and like you know i i I have my kid now and [TS]

  I'm around a lot of other people with kids and there's kids all over the block [TS]

  I'm driving just loud car down the street like I get a little [TS]

  self-conscious about it so so I i over heard a loud car and if you look at [TS]

  BMW's lineup the only way to get a transmission that I would tolerate is [TS]

  either to have a loud and car which by the way still there's no other drivers [TS]

  into account the X five such six ends which shouldn't exist so if you can only [TS]

  the real in cars there is still a no I know please everyone I know that the [TS]

  next and five generation is very likely to drive but that's still a couple years [TS]

  out and it would still be very loud so you know i think im I i think im out of [TS]

  the did the B&W line unless I'm willing to go down back to the 3 series [TS]

  get basically cases car which is a great car the one you have is a great car 335 [TS]

  e 9280 series ever does that is a great car however I do like I do it the size [TS]

  and the extra luxuries of the five series I would miss a lot of that and [TS]

  also that Karzai incredibly quiet either but it's obvious it's not as loud as the [TS]

  M cars but also don't like the f30 I really don't like I tips tips is decent [TS]

  it's it's a very good very good all-rounder but there's a there's like a [TS]

  certain things about I don't like and I think the the regular sedan version of [TS]

  it it's just I don't I think it feels cheaper than the e90 series and I it [TS]

  doesn't feel as good I I'm not crazy about it putting up the 550 550 X would [TS]

  be there when I would like that I call the dr the 550 the problem that is it is [TS]

  not available in a transmission I would tolerate it is only auto and tips car [TS]

  has has the sportiest auto BMW currently sells [TS]

  I haven't read the new 7 series hasn't had a slightly support him but it's like [TS]

  nine years now something that's crazy so like the sportiest one that is available [TS]

  that is still automatic I Drive that when all the time in his car and i drive [TS]

  in automatic mode because namely shifting it sucks like it is not it is [TS]

  no substitute for either a DCT or realistic it is no substitute so I would [TS]

  require either a DCT or real stick or no gears whatsoever any idea at a [TS]

  transmission is just not an option for me and by the way on the noise front of [TS]

  a DQ or any other members of the Ferrari border listening disregard Marco I still [TS]

  wanna hear the sound of a flat plane cranky eight [TS]

  it's not just the volume like this allowed people to like to be loud but [TS]

  it's also like the sound that it makes like I don't think anybody wants the [TS]

  Viper v10 to be loud sounds weird is be tense and we're but a Ferrari V eight [TS]

  does not sound weird sounds like beautiful music and so that's what [TS]

  people want not just the sound but a specific sound whether it's a burbling V [TS]

  eight of like a Mustang or something which is kind of your car has just kind [TS]

  of weird unseemly that it has the verbal or the screaming well of planning and [TS]

  that's what we Italians and I like the sound my car makes I I really do like it [TS]

  when I know when I want that kind of thing but that is almost none of the [TS]

  time there and actually I don't like the sound of the new m3 m3 sounds terrible [TS]

  I've never heard them in person a few times and and I think they really [TS]

  cranked up the sound of that v-6 trying to sound really impressive appealed the [TS]

  aidid and it just doesn't it is real I really at the I think it sounds [TS]

  interesting sounds like a cheap car somebody put a cheap aftermarket pipe [TS]

  onto sound design faster including Ferrari cuz they had the turbos to the [TS]

  radiator whatever the the new one is that that turns the muscles understand [TS]

  that sound you want is not and they re has struggled mightily to try to get [TS]

  that sound back I wonder if like but I'm where you know old engraved grandparents [TS]

  that Ferrari will be something like a throwback model where it's like a [TS]

  normally aspirated created with the old geometries and everything just because [TS]

  by then everything will be like electric or hybrid and they'll be impossible to [TS]

  get that sounds like tiny small displacement turbo engines like my kind [TS]

  of are now and every other car and it's like you know I quote they start selling [TS]

  retro models because it's not a modern car but this is like it's like a scale [TS]

  model or not a reproduction so it's got some modern things in it but the [TS]

  powertrain is a complete throwback can only be legal to sell the United States [TS]

  at that point but you could even have like this we're transmission where you [TS]

  need three legs in order to operate like a big silver ball and [TS]

  think so they can be crazy to go back to the test I freaking love debt the tests [TS]

  lapierre the Model S page on the test website outlining battery performance [TS]

  and drive options all I see on this page is 5.5 seconds 5.4 seconds 5.2 seconds [TS]

  4.2 seconds 3.1 seconds or if you'd like to pony up for the ludicrous speed [TS]

  upgrade 2.8 seconds like this is how fast would you like to go like this and [TS]

  by the way to chat rooms like noting like that I made a baseball show I [TS]

  didn't make it baseball's drug test limited that these are the actual names [TS]

  and saying they are their brand names for these like software update packages [TS]

  or whatever like they are making space all references not me it's it's amazing [TS]

  I would also like to go on record that I will be completely stunned and will buy [TS]

  you a coffee of your choice as much as I hate to say this if you do not end up [TS]

  with the maximum level test level because that is the only way you know [TS]

  how to buy things well I definitely would not get ludicrous you know it is [TS]

  still possible [TS]

  you say that here here's here's how it would happen if the seats the you find [TS]

  the most comfortable are only in the only if I do get a Tesla Motors looking [TS]

  increasingly likely but again I stay still doing a drive on again before I [TS]

  made that decision but if I do get a test like it it really to me between the [TS]

  9th ed and the PID thats I would not get the insane crazy I wouldn't say but not [TS]

  ludicrous stupid to me to me the p90 counts I agree with you that ludicrous [TS]

  speed is pretty much not gonna happen I will I will write like if I bought a new [TS]

  m5 I would not get the competition package which is like it's it's a [TS]

  similar kind of kind of price gain ratio there you know because that is crazy and [TS]

  I don't care I don't need it the only reason I would go with the PE five-yard [TS]

  penalty in this case would be if the ninety really just feels anemic and I [TS]

  don't think it does it I think it's I think the 85 / 90 D is is really [TS]

  very similar in performance to the m5 it's similar but if memory serves I [TS]

  don't recall them 50 to 60 time off the top of my head but I believe it is [TS]

  something like four point to or something [TS]

  yeah I think it's a little quicker than maybe 3.9 I don't know BC that's the [TS]

  thing at the 85 D is listed at four point to and I think you're right I [TS]

  think the m5 is like just eating it in under four seconds and i det you that'll [TS]

  be enough of a difference as silly as it sounds that's gonna push the p85 day [TS]

  because it because they feel is the instant torque 40 miles an hour to 2030 [TS]

  I guess I think think the only thing that will drive them to to the big fancy [TS]

  miles is like trim level or option differences and there really aren't [TS]

  alike there you have to go to the P if you want that the spoiler that I think [TS]

  looks bad person I don't know what the deal is with these these display [TS]

  designed so the problem is that the Tesla Model S is a kinda like a fat [TS]

  bottomed car it's one of those acquired bottoms that that a lot of large sedans [TS]

  have these days [TS]

  big bottom near macon they haven't seen anyone know right that they so whatever [TS]

  whenever reference I'm making it has like a wider bottom then like the [TS]

  passenger cabin above it and the so it kinda looks like a hovercraft almost [TS]

  around the base and the spoiler is not the full width of the truck has the full [TS]

  like that it almost looks like a mustache but you can get the commercial [TS]

  skipping on there that I feel too bad about it but not gonna they're not going [TS]

  to give it to you know software update they want to get the whole new model I [TS]

  can't I can't get the red brake calipers get everything it hugely hugely [TS]

  important question I want to think about this and choose wisely [TS]

  will you or will you not get the rear-facing seats that is a very good [TS]

  question I'm kind of not kidding because all my god I remember having a wagon [TS]

  when we were kids that had the rear-facing seats and it was terrible [TS]

  but also delightful [TS]

  I'm gonna have to say I'm gonna give a thumbs down on those so we we have some [TS]

  friends of the test land they have the rear-facing seats and it is really nice [TS]

  if you have to transport a whole bunch of kids around but we don't and I'm [TS]

  probably gonna be getting on a three-year lease and the like it within [TS]

  the next three years and have three more kids probably not and also you don't [TS]

  care about back there because that's the case of a rear-end collision well the [TS]

  rumor that the story behind it is that because the on moscow's a buncha kids he [TS]

  he made those like the safest seats in the hole cards extra roll cage around [TS]

  and everything so five-point harness from looks of it yeah it is and it so [TS]

  they end rear-facing is actually safer that's why car seats for infants are [TS]

  real face for a while [TS]

  basically as long as they can be that so the safety is not as much of a concern [TS]

  for me there is the biggest the bigger concern for me is first of all I just [TS]

  wouldn't use them I don't think I need them and also some of the some of the [TS]

  owners who have them say that the biggest problem back there is that [TS]

  there's no HVAC stuff that they're so it gets really hot there sitting under the [TS]

  under the the rear windshield and you know there's some events that that serve [TS]

  the back seats the regular back seats but they don't reach all the way back to [TS]

  sleep if it's a hot sunny day can be pretty hot back there [TS]

  it also we just kind of weird when you have to load and unload your kid from [TS]

  your trunk but regardless if I had a really big family I would consider it [TS]

  although the model exit would be a much better to serve that detects a proper 3 [TS]

  rokahr but this for my needs you know I have one kid I can foresee in the next [TS]

  three years having at most two kids total so you know i i really don't think [TS]

  I would need more than that so I'm not gonna do I went over to that I like the [TS]

  someone put in the shower room YouTube video of p85 D vs Ferrari 458 and I just [TS]

  assumed the Ferrari would lose because you know its older model far in [TS]

  straight-line test obviously you're not doing handling Destiny's Child battery [TS]

  but the line but you in a couple seconds before I pass it and I feel better in [TS]

  the world again [TS]

  yeah no I mean and this you know I would I would definitely take this lake [TS]

  you know down a little like sporting level I wouldn't get the giant 21 inch [TS]

  wheels you know I just get the 19th but you're still yeah yeah I i feel like im [TS]

  I've had my my like really hardcore sports car I guess most people would [TS]

  question that but I had my like super sports car phase and i think im moving [TS]

  past that now into just ok thanks to still be nice and fast but I also wanted [TS]

  to be quiet super sports car was already in an old man's p.m. 2502 Grampa Carl [TS]

  the m3 like you did have you understand like that was kind of that I had that [TS]

  for like eight months but you know what I need some with bench seats in the [TS]

  front ya know and I will also so so trailing in the chest is so it's so you [TS]

  won't miss shifting [TS]

  I think I talked with us when I did when I test but night the big thing is I the [TS]

  reason I shift is not because I know I love shifting so much I enjoyed its fun [TS]

  but I don't really need to shift the reason I shift my cars now I just as [TS]

  long as I could and now you're the DCT and why I don't like automatic ever is [TS]

  because I always know what I want the car to be doing I always know and you [TS]

  guys know i'm always you know I know that if I'm gonna if I'm approaching [TS]

  something where we're going to stop I know I can go down to do that or [TS]

  whatever I know what Gary wanted be in at any given point and I know things [TS]

  that are mentioned mission can't know and I can and so I always want power to [TS]

  be accessible to me at any speed and I keep the gear sucks I can do that you [TS]

  know so there is there are things that I really enjoy about being able to control [TS]

  the power delivery of the car a through shifting manually and [TS]

  with the DCT the reason I don't like I don't miss the clutch at all [TS]

  DCT is a lot of people who've haven't given them might assume that's like the [TS]

  the lake Tiptronic manual shifting mode of automatic transmissions and it's not [TS]

  it really is much more like a clutch lipstick hit his freely it behaves alot [TS]

  more like a stick than it does it does not behave like an automatic that takes [TS]

  your suggestions sometimes so it is great for me because i dont I never [TS]

  cared about the clutch I just had about being sure I knew what year I was in and [TS]

  setting it and not having it [TS]

  second guess me not having nine years to pick from so the electric when I'm [TS]

  driving the test on that test drive the reason I didn't miss having some kind of [TS]

  gear shift ability is because it was always with power available [TS]

  doing the right thing it was always doing what I wanted I never felt the [TS]

  need to manually control it because just the nature of electrics being basically [TS]

  gearless it was just it it didn't ever moved the need for me to any of that so [TS]

  all the reasons why a shift no longer applied and were no longer necessary now [TS]

  there are you know I would probably just be still miss it to a certain degree [TS]

  just cause it it's like this fun activity to do something manually it's [TS]

  kind of fun but while I was driving the test I didn't miss it at all and that is [TS]

  something that I've never been able to say about an automatic even the best [TS]

  automatic even tryna mainly shift them I've never be able to yeah I i dont [TS]

  drive DCT cars regularly in fact to the best of my recollection less TCT car [TS]

  drove as yours but when I do like it as that as a non as a to peddle [TS]

  transmission can go but there is nothing quite like ripping off like a really [TS]

  great one to upshift lake at 32 down SHIFT while you're turning while you're [TS]

  breaking there's nothing quite like that and I'm skeptical my next car will have [TS]

  three pedals because I don't know that whatever car I end up wanting to buy [TS]

  will be available that way [TS]

  but I'm gonna hold on to them as long as I possibly can and I'm going to die I'm [TS]

  already ruined the day that that it that I might have to give that up I will [TS]

  obviously about you think you'll be the saddest figures I do you ever have a [TS]

  nonstick are both of us have never had announced a car but when you when you [TS]

  when the time comes and you can get the car you want you're going to get like [TS]

  you know an automated manual essentially I'm going to be stuck with an actual / [TS]

  box [TS]

  torque converter automatic or worse the CBT that's what I'm going to be stuck [TS]

  with in the in the range of cars that I am i they're not going to have a really [TS]

  nice you know that be automated manual they're going to have a / box or by CBI [TS]

  just different car maybe I can finally pushed you to to get like the car that [TS]

  you really sure that you really want to do have that on several of them are no [TS]

  that is not look at those at all but like that is the worst but my car and [TS]

  they're like a loaner car you drive or whatever I just automatics with people [TS]

  live like this I just can't you can't take it that's the worst like I i drive [TS]

  their car periodically and I really genuinely like her car she has a couple [TS]

  of generations old now mazda6 and it's a very nice car but that transmission of [TS]

  it so terrible just like you push the power and use here the engines like what [TS]

  what are you doing engine and then you have to figure out what do I have to do [TS]

  with this pedal to make you understand that you are in the wrong gear right now [TS]

  and then recycle [TS]

  are right it is the worst it is the Lord's it is absolutely the worst day [TS]

  ever [TS]

  automatics it makes it feel like you're wasting this good engine it's like you [TS]

  have a perfectly good engine in there if you're connected directly to the wheels [TS]

  it would work great but you don't maple syrupy [TS]

  interest is just in the wrong gear too much of the time because it can't read [TS]

  your mind and so the only thing it has like well I can look at all my sense [TS]

  there is an old the pedal position I'll try to figure out what you mean you [TS]

  don't know what I'm about to take the stern I should already be in second gear [TS]

  exactly know what you're you're in like it should [TS]

  like I'd I don't want to do something with the controls of the car to convince [TS]

  you to go into second you should already be there and I would be if I was driving [TS]

  the car but I'm not especially cars that have no power like the ones that i buy [TS]

  to be in the right gear otherwise things just becomes a slug and then like in the [TS]

  middle to turn lurches into whatever next year's to be in the system S it's [TS]

  got it's rough and I forget I forget what it's like I think like you know my [TS]

  daughter makes a good and maybe they are like luxury cars and stuff like where [TS]

  they know they're not I'm telling you they're not like they're just as bad as [TS]

  well not just that but they're almost as bad but having nine years now and the [TS]

  fancy cars right and that's that's one of the problems to like if you try to [TS]

  manually shift the automatics now even though even the quote sport automatics [TS]

  you know like tips has eight years the new 7 series I believe has nine and the [TS]

  reason that you they do this for increased fuel efficiency and won the [TS]

  way they do this by cramming a whole bunch of years at the bottom of the [TS]

  range so these aren't all additional over drives yeah they're slicing up the [TS]

  entire range to give more granular yeah and especially so at the bottom you have [TS]

  to shift around you have to like like where they put your number eight on [TS]

  tiffs car is like where I would have liked between on a regular scales [TS]

  between like two and three which is a really frequently shifted range and so [TS]

  not only is it annoying when you're mainly shifting it but also in your just [TS]

  driving it you do feel that you feel it's it's making more shifts making more [TS]

  transitions and you would have to you in a manual and also to jews feel for [TS]

  numbers it is it always tries to jump as fast as I can to the higher gears and [TS]

  nothing happens [TS]

  and you know they they all have these like you know sport modes and those are [TS]

  all equally terrible just a different ways like they just never does what you [TS]

  want and that's why we will always do cars as long as we are able to until it [TS]

  is no longer necessary but so true that already talked about the model acts that [TS]

  i think is a disaster like I don't I guess he really wanted those weird doris [TS]

  was like no bad idea guy like if you're gonna do with going door as it should [TS]

  have been the first one that only rich people died not the second one that [TS]

  you're hoping like this is gonna be the mainstream ones it's like a stupid [TS]

  crossover SUV and it looks like not gonna be that cheap and those doors are [TS]

  ridiculous and just know why I don't think the doors are as much of a big [TS]

  deal in either direction as yeah you say that but then you gonna try to pop out [TS]

  quickly there a big deal not not because not because they're bad like you see all [TS]

  the videos and how did I scare scrunched together and try to make room but [TS]

  because it is really hard to make a door like that reliably it's not like there's [TS]

  like we've been making this kind of a door for 75 years you know we know how [TS]

  to make it it's really hard to make a regular door reliably assess test all [TS]

  that you know learning learning curve and just making a reliable nice car they [TS]

  found a kind of there with the Model S but this i mean nobody has made good [TS]

  reliable problem-free going tourists including Mercedes like just ask anyone [TS]

  has been in this car sometimes there comes on my toy you driving and just got [TS]

  like I guess maybe they did it better on the the modern version of the original [TS]

  going was it was a mess like it's it's therefore to be a fanciful thrill but it [TS]

  is going to be a mainstream calling you know that's going to be the main problem [TS]

  these cars is stupid crap with the doors to wait an hour for the damn things go [TS]

  in that part of his not bad and I think the design and and saving space and I [TS]

  bet it's entirely because this is an exotic we are designed that's going to [TS]

  have problems and another spent a long time trying to make it reliable but its [TS]

  first try to guarantee that this will not be a problem for his regular card or [TS]

  absolute guarantee this notice is making the show as a No [TS]

  we should put this on Soundcloud whatever we used to do with ATP's before [TS]

  it appears that thing [TS]

  but the fact we always think people care but in reality nobody cares whatever [TS]