The Accidental Tech Podcast

141: Chain-Link-Fenced Garden


  happy birthday Brady Bala [TS]

  first things first did anyone hear buy an Apple TV market you got a developer [TS]

  unit is that correct that's correct and I also bought for more by being serious [TS]

  haha I was like to know who you buying them for thought maybe you were already [TS]

  doing Christmas shopping rene stars the great stocking stuffers in Madrid in [TS]

  there you just I actually might end up buying roughly that quality depending on [TS]

  you know how gifting goes this holiday season but I wanted to at least like try [TS]

  it myself first [TS]

  once the general release comes out in the store opens it up for those apps and [TS]

  I can actually download the apps to it and spend meaningful time with them then [TS]

  I will judge it as a product but right now i i just i just had the developer 14 [TS]

  people who are curious in the chat developer what I believe is the 32 gig [TS]

  one even if I were buying a bunch of buying one today for myself I still [TS]

  might not get the sixty four because I also said I don't think Apple has really [TS]

  shown us if and why and when we would need the 64 over thirty-two you think [TS]

  that because you're not looking at the notes that's ok also I think I i really [TS]

  am not crazy about investing more money than necessary further in a 1080p set up [TS]

  when I know in the next few years I'll most likely 124 K set up so I'm guessing [TS]

  you'll be buying another one of these Apple TVs in a year or two that will [TS]

  support for gay so you know I don't want to double your money to version one [TS]

  before even know if I'm going to use these features and I don't I don't see [TS]

  myself installing a bunch of games or anything so I don't know if I'm guessing [TS]

  anything more than 32 would be waited on me that's what's in this follow-up [TS]

  document johnnie you want to talk about with regard to capacities as you forget [TS]

  that I ordered my AppleTV and are the big 10 and Casey where did you go on new [TS]

  and I'd like to talk about why but let's get let's get through this capacity [TS]

  discussion first it was from Brian PowerPoint us first one to point us to [TS]

  Apple's website where they did actually offer rationale for like why would you [TS]

  bother buying 6432 we talk about this impasse shows we had theories Apple's [TS]

  explanation [TS]

  matches what was our best guess is everybody's best guess watches the plan [TS]

  to use your Apple TV Apple website primarily to stream movies TV shows [TS]

  music or play a few apps and games you'll probably be fine with 32 years of [TS]

  storage if you plan to download and use lots of apps and games 264 so they [TS]

  mention absent gains mentioning games and you know it may be heading in the [TS]

  direction that they're the kind of applications that are most likely to [TS]

  have large content but that's what it comes down to not much of an explanation [TS]

  but at least it's something we talked about how this seemingly makes less [TS]

  sense when the applications themselves the initial download from the store so [TS]

  limited and it was 200 make this something but the applications going [TS]

  down that road how they want after that up to a very large limit so you could [TS]

  fill a 32 with a bunch of big games wide-eyed by the 64 I don't know it's [TS]

  pretty cheap I just wanna get the big one who knows if it's ever use that [TS]

  space or don't just sit there going unused who knows that the software [TS]

  update in the future will bump up the minimum size even if the just use that [TS]

  space to buffer video so that my kids wanna watch a movie that they watched [TS]

  three months ago that it's still on the thing and they watch like seventeen [TS]

  movies and television shows since then that's worth it for me like basically [TS]

  they give it they give me a device with lots of storage unit there is no price [TS]

  I'll buy it so as usual you have rushed to order the most expensive item on day [TS]

  one [TS]

  like 200 bucks it's only a little more than a magic trackpad I guess the price [TS]

  differences so small I guess I would probably recommend ordering the big one [TS]

  if you don't really know if you can spare 150 bucks I know I wouldn't [TS]

  recommend it necessarily in fact this one of the cases where I would feel good [TS]

  about recommending just get the cheapest one because they probably thought you [TS]

  know i mean but for me and says I'm so obsessed with TV stuff I didn't give [TS]

  myself the best chance of having the best experience [TS]

  and it's so I'm I'm excited to try it I'm also excited to move my old Apple TV [TS]

  up to a different TV in the house because I was kind of annoying when you [TS]

  get kids fighting over what they're watching TV or someone to watch this [TS]

  show you can only watch that downstairs because it's an Apple TV and the way to [TS]

  watch anything off of you know and iTunes DRM CODEPINK in the upstairs TV [TS]

  even out our viewing choices once again so both TVs uniform in terms of media [TS]

  access and I will that will bring slightly increase peace to the household [TS]

  so I did not buy one and and that's partially because I'm cheap and [TS]

  partially because I get to be that guy now and I'm defining that guy is that [TS]

  guy who whines about the one thing that's gone away that nobody else cares [TS]

  about and that's optical output for audio so the way we have our home [TS]

  theater setup which is probably wrong but i dont care its latest today we have [TS]

  of course HDMI coming out of our Apple TV I think it's the 3rd gen whatever the [TS]

  latest one was before this we have HDMI coming out and that goes into our [TS]

  television and then there is an optical out from the TV back to the receiver but [TS]

  especially when you have a little person in the house who loves looking at [TS]

  screens that are lit up sometimes it's nice to have the Apple TV on and playing [TS]

  without the TV on and we also have optical out going from the Apple TV [TS]

  directly into the receiver so I can grab the remote mass on a button a couple of [TS]

  times to wake the thing up because it never seems to wake up and I do that and [TS]

  then airplay something to it and leave the TV totally off and everybody's happy [TS]

  Declan isn't looking at the TV which makes me happy and Aaron happy and we're [TS]

  all listening to music which makes all of us happy and it's great and this new [TS]

  one does not have optical audio out and that makes me super sad now I guarantee [TS]

  that I will cave in eventually buy one but for now it's not really feeling any [TS]

  need that I currently have so I'm just gonna wait and see how it goes I am [TS]

  extremely interested to see how the Plex out that supposedly is Coming Out Day 1 [TS]

  how that is and if that gets really good reviews that it's probably gonna be [TS]

  enough to get me to cave [TS]

  receiver not have HDMI no it does not at all [TS]

  yea well there's a problem yeah that's a fair point that I could just upgrade the [TS]

  receiver but when it's working in every other capacities so it seems a little [TS]

  silly to replace it you might as well like Marcos doing as well as a way for [TS]

  for Kate upgrade your receiver at this point I can't tell if you're being start [TS]

  here now but I i'm thinking you're not being truthful though I think it's going [TS]

  to be later than next year like the next year I think still will be early adopter [TS]

  time for gay and you are probably better off waiting until 4 K's old-hat yeah but [TS]

  at this point I don't know I really depends on how much you use that Apple [TS]

  TV is an audio device interface you can get a pretty decent cheap receiver that [TS]

  will do everything you can receiver does just as well for not too many hundred [TS]

  dollars yeah you're probably right but i dont it's one of those things where [TS]

  because I don't feel like it's necessary and because I don't really and that [TS]

  doesn't clear up my engine so I don't I'm not looking for an excuse to spend [TS]

  that money and because of that I'm just kind of about the whole thing to do and [TS]

  you get a new one you're going to lose this music ability right yeah I don't [TS]

  know I mean well there's probably some kind of like $30 monoprice thing that [TS]

  can split out the optical into its own thing and there is nothing for $30 the [TS]

  UConnect HDMI cable to that is reliable member and i was looking for but I [TS]

  didn't wanna buy receivers are looking for an HDMI switcher to make up for the [TS]

  fact that television's now come with a incredibly small number of HDMI inputs [TS]

  on them and my extensive research led me to conclude that there is no such device [TS]

  in fact the the the best you know in terms of function out the functionality [TS]

  to cost ratio for multiple HDMI inputs [TS]

  an entire giant receiver is the best ratio which is sad but true [TS]

  right seconds after I said that the ATV tips during the Chat link to a $28 [TS]

  little thing on Amazon [TS]

  that does exactly that I'm sure it does sometimes I'm sure I'm sure you can also [TS]

  find similar switch boxes for similar prices with similar strange names and [TS]

  plastic cases and they all came to do what they do and now that it's all [TS]

  scroll down to the reviews and comments and see what people have to say about [TS]

  this thing out of 4 stars but Saudi over really legs bad pasture didn't work [TS]

  one-star verified purchase well he felt a bit shabby optical out didn't work [TS]

  runs rather hot that's concerning this magnificent like there is any way some [TS]

  people have good luck with him I'd say for the switching thing I I get lots of [TS]

  people have no like I bought this $15 be john has been sitting connected to my TV [TS]

  three years and it works flawlessly right but you never know how many maybe [TS]

  you'll get lucky or maybe by seven fifteen pieces of junk or so I wanted a [TS]

  known quantity and there was no as we talked with USB hubs you get one attempt [TS]

  for years and it's great right and you spent like two bucks for right or you [TS]

  can keep buying $10 ones and they keep breaking and frying and flaking and [TS]

  driving you crazy and causing bugs that you don't realize they're due to your [TS]

  house until you've tried to debug it for six months thing that software problem [TS]

  right stuff like that you like where is the apple of hubs where is the company [TS]

  that makes the expensive solid well built a reliable hubs and doesn't really [TS]

  exist I have some good ones I have one of them is recommended to me sit here [TS]

  now [TS]

  usb3 help staying at my desk that is connected to USB to be that's all I have [TS]

  but it seems to be solidly built to use it as a charging station now because one [TS]

  of the other benefits is that it's good for charging stuff so I think there are [TS]

  good USB hubs out there are better ones anyway but I never found anything like [TS]

  that [TS]

  HDMI switchers let the way which is being forced upon them have a question I [TS]

  got a hand let me just going over my desk and see what the brand is Amazon [TS]

  seems to recommend the hutu and what's the battery company [TS]

  anchor in the back into my mind is hutu it's black and it's a rubberized outside [TS]

  not in its plastic is to get a whole bunch of USB 3 ports on it has been [TS]

  pretty solid I mean to be fair the really super crappy I think it was [TS]

  literally like $7 plastic USB powered hub that I have here at the time but [TS]

  when I first got my 2008 Mac Pro also still very reliable but I've had a [TS]

  series of house before these two hubs that have not been reliable that it [TS]

  caused my computer to wake up then caused me to try to debug sleep-wake [TS]

  things for a long time and cause all sorts of walking is with input and [TS]

  mascaras stopped functioning and yeah yeah the more experienced various things [TS]

  the more I just want to buy future things in Thunderbolt persons even [TS]

  though it's probably a mistake and expensive I don't know how great that is [TS]

  although I have to admit that I haven't had any problems any fire are performed [TS]

  every black yeah just hoping that it's like the companies making these are high [TS]

  enough profit margins they can actually is reliable hardware but then again I've [TS]

  also never bought a firewire hope that I don't think it could exist anyway [TS]

  firewire switch fireplace where you plug in multiple firewire cables it's not a [TS]

  based network but such things like that do exist before we leave the home [TS]

  theater topic I have a quick question can you explain to me what a sound bar [TS]

  is five years ago what what is this category is it just a line of speakers [TS]

  like what it what makes it different from it [TS]

  two speakers I actually considered getting one of these its [TS]

  as well as for you you're trying to have a home theater thing but you are [TS]

  essentially space or infrastructure constraints you can't do the 5.1 or 7.1 [TS]

  we have a center channel left and right to back and maybe side channels and [TS]

  challenge you have you just have no way to know where to place those speakers no [TS]

  way to run the cables for them or your room is just not the right shape or [TS]

  whatever but you don't want to use the crappy built-in speakers any TV and you [TS]

  also don't want plain old stereo with a base you don't want to point you want [TS]

  something sort of like surround so a sound bar is a big long strips speakers [TS]

  that fixes the space problem by essentially being a similar you know it [TS]

  going underneath your TV [TS]

  basically either directly by credit standards of its low enough profile that [TS]

  doesn't blocking the screen for like an entertainment center it's not maybe not [TS]

  as wide as the whole screen [TS]

  but very long very you know why didn't you know very high and behind the little [TS]

  shielded from the speaker are a bunch of speakers of various sizes pointed in [TS]

  different directions and some of them also have some Processing Zone also act [TS]

  as our own little many receivers you can plug things right into them and they [TS]

  will do sound processing to try to bounce the sound around the room [TS]

  you know dunno processing industry to send out of the speakers and too little [TS]

  data processing and mess with that delays and stuff to try to simulate a [TS]

  5.1 ish sound field by using speakers that are all right in front of the TV so [TS]

  that's my sound bars for it so it's a compromise think people don't have a lot [TS]

  of space but one have better sound than they would if it just you stereo but in [TS]

  terms of getting closer to real 5.1 surround where things seem like they're [TS]

  behind you like in the movies and does that actually work better than just like [TS]

  having stereo speakers would it sounds different than stairs because that's [TS]

  like it doesn't obviously it's never gonna actually selling speakers are [TS]

  behind you because they're not behind you there in front of you but some of [TS]

  them depending on the room shape and depending on the environment can do a [TS]

  surprisingly good job of providing a more convincing sound field but coming [TS]

  closer to making the sound sound like it's not all coming straight from the TV [TS]

  now is that accurate is it what the filmmaker isn't intended is it even [TS]

  pleasing to you that all depends on what you think [TS]

  store and they definitely sound different area where the sound better [TS]

  not it's kind of up to you in the end I decided not to get one mostly because a [TS]

  lot of them either expect you not to have a receiver or kind of their [TS]

  competing with the receiver in terms of functionality of how they work and i [TS]

  also eventually found a way to get the speakers around my room and seekers are [TS]

  all in the wrong places but I just did the best I could and I figured I'd you [TS]

  know [TS]

  a receiver with multichannel sound support I'm going to try to get the [TS]

  actual sound field experience and so that's why I but you know now and also [TS]

  trying to figure out how to place the soundbar my setup was a little weird to [TS]

  begin pressure or go to the television anyway I decided against it I don't [TS]

  think they're tired of trickery crazy if you have a small apartment and into [TS]

  movies and want a little bit of a movie theater sound and you don't mind [TS]

  whatever the hell they sound bars going to try to make it sound like that it's [TS]

  it's reasonably [TS]

  even if only just for the center channel where you can crank center channel up [TS]

  seeking a dialogue better that kind of balance you don't get in a stereo setup [TS]

  if you just have right now left a subwoofer hard just turn up dialogue but [TS]

  in a movie with a 5.1 makes the center of town has a dialogue in Ukraine higher [TS]

  than the rest of them to help you know you are other people with low hearing [TS]

  her voice saying what if the person say and you don't turn the subtitles cuz [TS]

  they were in the picture make you read the whole time it's a reasonable choice [TS]

  for that I've been looking for a while and I have not been refined looking for [TS]

  what I basically want is a dynamic compressor in a in a small enough [TS]

  package that I can sit behind my TV or in my very very very narrow TV stand [TS]

  because I would love to have just know I don't care about your movies were [TS]

  everywhere and no I can't hear what you're saying and if I turn up then [TS]

  it'll blasted away everybody up in the house when somebody like you want a car [TS]

  drives buyers only blows up so I would love just dynamic range compression [TS]

  without having to buy entire receiver because my my TV set only has something [TS]

  like three inches of height for this person had be allowed to place their and [TS]

  there are literally [TS]

  allowed by the Historical Commission that runs the the television stand in [TS]

  your house I'm aware of this commission [TS]

  yes and there is there is literally no I looked up forever receiver even they [TS]

  have there's one I think it's Marantz has a really slim line one but it's like [TS]

  a half inch too tall [TS]

  that's terrible so what what's what I have now is just like you know stereo [TS]

  speakers that decided long ago that [TS]

  I think of surround sound the way most people now including you john think of [TS]

  3d movies which is I just am not interested I had it for awhile I had I [TS]

  had a 5.1 system for a while and then as we move to a different apartment I would [TS]

  like set up less and less of a drop the rear speakers and I just had the [TS]

  three-point want to remember and then eventually stopped connecting the center [TS]

  speaker and just let them the rate and realize I like that a lot better if it [TS]

  was a simpler and you know I didn't care about the surround so eventually I guess [TS]

  I've now switched but I would still like a receiver and right now there is being [TS]

  driven by this little tiny new force amp that has no controls but I would love if [TS]

  anybody knows of like just a basic home theater range compressor [TS]

  please tell me pretty much every every receiver even the super cheap ones I [TS]

  know as it has a name brand like this is gonna mention under a bunch of [TS]

  name-brand some of them might be like Dolby where they like her but they all [TS]

  have a way to do exactly what you're saying I don't think you can buy one [TS]

  without this feature anymore so I wanted to echo your sentiment about the [TS]

  surround sound system [TS]

  my parents had gotten me years ago now so it's probably ancient by today's [TS]

  standards a receiver 5.1 surround combination box from my Costco or [TS]

  something like that [TS]

  income of the TV and DVD player but anyway that's receiver still using from [TS]

  probably mid to late to thousands and as we move from apartment to apartment and [TS]

  eventually to the house we also do the same thing and drop the rear speakers [TS]

  after like one of those moves and so now I am still key I've still kept the [TS]

  center channel and I stole the subwoofer connected but I haven't had real channel [TS]

  in easily six or seven years now or something that shouldn't do that you [TS]

  should get their due stereo with just nine or stereo with the suburb just [TS]

  signed but don't do five pollen and disconnects [TS]

  literally missing some of the sound like someone there in some movies they can be [TS]

  mixed such that a lie about only comes from the back speakers and you literally [TS]

  won't hear that line of dollars so please just use use all the speakers [TS]

  whatever a sound coming out of your system you're gonna put out sound for [TS]

  two speakers used to speakers you know if your gonna pass some 45 [TS]

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  build a beautiful we have a handful of various links and things to talk about [TS]

  this begins with Tom Bell who wrote in to tell us that smaller IMAX came with [TS]

  the three and a half inch 7200 rpm drive until 2012 when the tapered edge began [TS]

  then they changed to a two and a half inch 5400 rpm drive with the fusion up [TS]

  so so apparently that's a history of that movie on Chloe de Guzman I probably [TS]

  butchered that I'm so sorry Chloe shares from Tom's Hardware data on average in [TS]

  two and a half inch drive 5400 RPM drives perform just as well as the 7200 [TS]

  RPM drives increasing the spindle speed just increases power consumption and [TS]

  heat with little to no gain [TS]

  5400 wins overall which includes powers so we will put a couple of links in the [TS]

  show notes about that caveat in there which includes powers in this test and [TS]

  Tom's Hardware it wins overall but only it's kind of like a car and driver when [TS]

  when some car wins overall because they factored in price [TS]

  you know every other stat not the best car because price was a factor in one [TS]

  car is like 30 grand more than the other it when people sending me letters so [TS]

  3401 the overall because they include power consumption 400 is going to get a [TS]

  boost to score is the difference so you can take a look at these benchmarks are [TS]

  times however does break down the benchmark since the individual [TS]

  benchmarks even say what if I care about this what if I get a ride up at the [TS]

  bottom line is that modern 5400 RPM drives with the you know the [TS]

  perpendicular magnetic field but everything's in the higher density are [TS]

  much better than they used to be all this is kind of in the weeds in the [TS]

  details but it's worth pointing out because our main objection is the idea [TS]

  that this thing has no SSD in any spending drives just astronomically [TS]

  slower in random access especially than any SSD because it's gotta spend a [TS]

  little discs and wait for the point to come under the heads and moved a little [TS]

  heads and all that takes a huge amount of time compared to putting signals on [TS]

  different addressing lines and a bunch of flash chips yeah this this to me like [TS]

  I don't think anybody's to waste any breath trying to defend the benefits or [TS]

  drawbacks of particular rpm hard drive is in 2015 it just completely irrelevant [TS]

  it's if you need a bunch of cheap space you get hard drives and if you if you [TS]

  don't need a bunch of cheap space you get an SSD period like pretty much [TS]

  wanted to tell strong about Mac GPUs and noise [TS]

  have been waiting for a new high maximized about the GPUs were like is it [TS]

  worth it for me to get the fast one what is the heat like as the previous one had [TS]

  some problems with the GPU getting really hot and sometimes throwing down [TS]

  some of the CPU and the fan noise so bear feats which is not spelled like you [TS]

  think it does take shows for the link did one of the typical test and their [TS]

  conclusion was that the new GOP the new top 10 GB you know a little bit faster [TS]

  than the old one and it gets just about as hot they said you know all the new [TS]

  both got two hundred degrees Celsius and the fan was running really fast but I [TS]

  mean the noise meter look like about the same in both cases so you know you know [TS]

  it's like it's not worse but it's not better and that was kinda depressing I [TS]

  mean it's not bad news but it's not really good news either but then came [TS]

  into this YouTube video by Max urea and he does a whole bunch tested as a bunch [TS]

  of stats I'm never watching these guys videos in this one had a small number of [TS]

  used I think everything just go look at this video but I think it's very well [TS]

  done and talks like it at a nice pace very clearly could be prepared if he's [TS]

  going to do is get infographics and everything I thought it was really good [TS]

  I was impressed by your YouTube video maybe it's because I don't want you to [TS]

  be any be super famous I don't know that sorry but this video may have a few [TS]

  thousand views so I figured this is not OK Bhd this is somewhat but anyway his [TS]

  conclusions were different and more detail things he said in the overall [TS]

  condition was in the new model the fans ramp up earlier than the old model just [TS]

  try to keep the temperature is down there is rather than waiting for things [TS]

  that are really out of hand temperature wise and then turning up and it turns on [TS]

  the fans faster sooner which is why the great the temperature rises good in the [TS]

  GPU tests seems like the new one can keep the GPU within whatever happens [TS]

  that says the tolerance like they want to keep it under a hundred degrees [TS]

  Celsius whatever whenever they set a limit the new 52 a.m. according to Maxis [TS]

  tests can keep the GPU within that limit with the fan going slow so in these any [TS]

  GPS like well they're both the Jeep user or similar temperature but there are [TS]

  p.m. on the new model [TS]

  way lower so I like that especially in a four-game thumbs up the CPU tests the [TS]

  new 52 a.m. I didn't do any CPU throwing the old one would throw the CPU down [TS]

  when I got to the new and didn't get the CBO lower temperatures sometimes that's [TS]

  slightly higher fan speeds mostly because the new model has a higher max [TS]

  speed for the fan and some SAT around here after 15 minutes the CPU testing [TS]

  the old iMac has thrown down to 3.3 yards and it was a hundred degrees [TS]

  Celsius and the family's going 2700 rpm and the new iMac was not throughout is [TS]

  at fault for gay rights is 10 degrees cooler at 89 degrees Celsius and the fan [TS]

  was going about the same speed 2650 rpm so nice video made me excited about the [TS]

  new iMac because it seems to basically seems to keep the intercooler and [TS]

  Chelsea did a manual override and the fans that if you do crank the fans up [TS]

  the new iMac can keep both the CPU and GPU ridiculously cool so really it's [TS]

  just a question of how much noise you willing to tolerate how much temperature [TS]

  going to tolerate so I'm feeling better about the iMac than the old one as many [TS]

  people point out you're not going to get a real substantive improvements in GBM [TS]

  particular until they change the process i think is also 28 nanometers just like [TS]

  Marcos model but what am I gonna get on as I max and probably gonna get it with [TS]

  the with the bestie Pia also some real-time follow-up from Kim Albertina [TS]

  chap it appears as though the new Apple TV might have built endemic range [TS]

  compression [TS]

  might have a built-in fan of linking they did a member of the the famous [TS]

  iFixit teardown that got them kicked out of the after yeah yeah we know there's [TS]

  no fan but it appears that there might might have now agreed foreperson built [TS]

  in so I i'm looking forward to trying it on by defaulting you can't turn it off [TS]

  me in in the screenshot posted here which one of the videos from somebody's [TS]

  dev kit there's an option on the audio menu it within a movie like this info [TS]

  subtitles and audio and it says full dynamic range or reduced loud sounds [TS]

  nice way of putting it out like that rather than branding it is one of these [TS]

  weird words that every company uses for that [TS]

  range compression the first option is not great but the second option people [TS]

  what people do I'm hoping that dynamic range and the watch a movie and they [TS]

  won't be able to hear what you're saying and the crank the volume that something [TS]

  exploded Bisbee test then they go to some time and yes reduced lad sounds [TS]

  exactly what I want in the ticket so that's that's some good copywriting you [TS]

  could call it [TS]

  Voice boost have a trademark 2012 tell us about the adjustable iMac and monitor [TS]

  stands I'm assuming this is John yeah what people wrote in to tell us that [TS]

  they thought we didn't need to put our miners and have them anything because we [TS]

  were confused about the correct height monitors I'm not confused I know the top [TS]

  of the monitor according to all the economic experts is supposed to be [TS]

  roughly aligned with your eyeliner everything bad that it shouldn't be [TS]

  looking out on all the things I know that member I have a 23 inch monitor so [TS]

  it has to be honest and to be up like that and also if you're if you don't [TS]

  have a keyboard tray getting your keyboard at the right height means your [TS]

  desk is gonna be much lower than you think or you cherish to be higher than [TS]

  we are aware of the year [TS]

  comic least I am an arms embargo is the correct height of all the things it's [TS]

  better to have options and if it means taking a bunch of books or piece of [TS]

  lucite or whatever to make him out of the right height that's what you should [TS]

  do but a lot of people also pointed out that the real solution to all these [TS]

  miners not quite at the right height thing is to either get your Mac monitor [TS]

  or third-party monitor or your iMac itself with a VESA mount then you can [TS]

  put on an arm or any other kind of adjustable thing that accepts Visa [TS]

  mountain I believe this is the case and has been the case for a while now if you [TS]

  want that you can't just buy an iMac it's a great long it take off this [TS]

  little else shape thing and put on a visa you have to order it away from [TS]

  Apple will give you the iMac but you can bet with VESA mount about this place but [TS]

  don't buy them anymore [TS]

  ok and we have some suppose it answers with regard to the face back to fix back [TS]

  the Facebook app usage battery gate thing yes so pretty shortly after we [TS]

  published our episode last week where I basically said this is no bug this is [TS]

  deliberate they are you know jokes about this right afterwards like a half a day [TS]

  afterwards they posted a thing on on Facebook somebody's getting one of the [TS]

  engineers or something [TS]

  things saying this was indeed a bug here's the bug and there was a couple of [TS]

  bugs so they are clearly it was a bug I honestly able to do it [TS]

  John do you know all I did was read the press release but last week when you [TS]

  were like they're doing this on purpose because they're terrible people and so [TS]

  on and so forth that didn't really push push back that much on it but I find it [TS]

  entirely plausible this could have been the bug and the corroborating evidence [TS]

  that I use other than my general attempt to have faith in humanity and belief [TS]

  that engineers wouldn't do something like this unless someone made them is [TS]

  that some people have said now they mention that I've seen that like where [TS]

  if I have watched a video on Facebook that sucks my battery but I have used [TS]

  Facebook but not watch the video it doesn't suck my battery so there's some [TS]

  vague anecdotal evidence that makes me think that their exploration sounds [TS]

  plausible but I guess that realistically speaking of the reason I was struggling [TS]

  last week why would they even do this what is the advantage to Facebook it [TS]

  just seemed like a bug to me so I am willing to believe that this was a bug I [TS]

  do not think that Facebook is actively evil unless there's some really good [TS]

  reason to be actively and I can't really think of a super good reason to make [TS]

  their website everyone's battery down I came up with a few I'm also willing to [TS]

  believe that is still could have been intentional but I was never as you know [TS]

  sure about it as you are and given his explanation I'm going to get facebook [TS]

  the benefit of the doubt say they just had a bug [TS]

  I don't know why I see this could be both ways as I do think they're fairly [TS]

  evil but you know who was it was it you that said you know never achieve what is [TS]

  the line never attribute to malice what could easily be explained by stupidity [TS]

  or something like that [TS]

  John event that I find that I would have caused directly benefit you that you are [TS]

  the person reminded me of it but speaking of John we have important John [TS]

  related news the long national nightmare is over John can you update us on your [TS]

  Star Wars tickets and shortly after the show last week when I was in the midst [TS]

  of struggling to get stars tickets and being sad about the fact that my life it [TS]

  accidentally purchased three tickets no fear just as all cured now I have gotten [TS]

  rid of my three tickets all my sorrows tickets are now 2d [TS]

  Baltimore also reserved seating maybe one side of the visiting us to have yes [TS]

  I'm going to see it multiple times the tickets already bought for the multiple [TS]

  times I'm going to see it with various groups of people so fear not I will not [TS]

  be watching it in 3d I'm actually watching 3d after I've seen it a few [TS]

  times and and 2d assuming I like it and I wanna see it like a fourth or fifth or [TS]

  sixth time maybe I will try to find out our 2nd sponsor today is mail route that [TS]

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  email server you put this in mind that if you use a service that just like a [TS]

  standard a service like fast mail you can you can put in front of that you [TS]

  point your domain name it and then it just hurts filtering spam for you and [TS]

  the spam filtering is so good I have never seen as painful during this good [TS]

  you know a lot of people have said gmail has the best mental during end and then [TS]

  I heard from g-ma people who tried this and they say oh actually is better and [TS]

  I'm I W gmail but I can I can tell you that anything I've tried before mail [TS]

  route including a built-in fast no spin control and everything I've never be [TS]

  able to match what gives me [TS]

  with its just regular default out of the box settings it is so good I see almost [TS]

  zero span it is very rare to see a band that message come through it is also [TS]

  extremely rare to have non span get caught in the spam folder and when it [TS]

  does they keep kind of a list called the quarantine of mail that they think might [TS]

  be span but there are a hundred percent sure and then every few days the email [TS]

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  don't have to lie even log in with one click you can whitelist and deliver any [TS]

  of those messages that are not actually spam so it is very very handy and even [TS]

  have an API and all sorts of enterprise features that I have no idea where do [TS]

  these things mean because thank god I've never had to run email server but if you [TS]

  did you know what they mean it's things like LDAP Active Directory TLS mailbag [TS]

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  mail route dotnet / ATP for a free trial and 10% off for the lifetime of your [TS]

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  rapper sponsoring our show once again so Apple had their quarterly earnings and [TS]

  this was the fourth quarters I correct who knows whatever it was a quarter of [TS]

  their quarterly earnings and I think most of it was as expected iPads are [TS]

  down fairly significantly sorry federico Mac syrup which was slightly surprising [TS]

  but there are few things that somebody who did their homework whose name is not [TS]

  Casey put Michelle know timothy was John who shouldn't be doing homework somebody [TS]

  has to write China iPhone sales are up two hundred twenty percent I don't find [TS]

  that terribly surprising but that's a lot to keep in mind I think this is [TS]

  because they didn't launch the six in the same quarter in China last year so [TS]

  this year they did not see success in China at the beginning of the quarter [TS]

  something like that so it is an all just like a while Apple thing but it's also [TS]

  that they're they're getting better with simultaneous launches nature [TS]

  nothing but anyway China as everyone says is super important Apple AAPL [TS]

  becoming increasingly important and they're going fast there and then [TS]

  there's a lot of enterprise related things that I thought we could spend at [TS]

  least an hour talking about John I'm sure market won't mind not at all about [TS]

  the new Mac Pros [TS]

  your evil well played sir there are 30,000 max inside of IBM adding almost [TS]

  2000 a week and IBM is claiming that it saves them two hundred and seventy [TS]

  dollars per machine versus a Windows computer due to lower support costs and [TS]

  better residual values that's pretty cool stuff like that residual value as a [TS]

  factor which I wouldn't have thought of because I'm not thinking like a [TS]

  corporate being counter but as most of Mac owners know max do hold their value [TS]

  better than old copy PCs for whatever reason just try to buy a used Mac Mini [TS]

  for example and that is a factor in businesses account for them and so the [TS]

  fact that three years after you buy it hasn't lost as much of its value is a [TS]

  Dell is good to support things like I should send these back in time to the 13 [TS]

  year old version that means they someday IBM will publish something saying that [TS]

  having max max in the in the cooperation is better because they require less [TS]

  support and it's just it just boggles my mind that is actually still true and who [TS]

  knows how their partner that Apple it's you know obviously they're going to say [TS]

  that it's like IBM saying the TrackPoint is awesome right yet to take all this [TS]

  with a grain of salt but that was the old story which is like a Mac vs PC days [TS]

  I yeah but Max B more B may be more expensive but if you buy a Mac your [TS]

  support costs will be lower because they're not as crappy as Windows PCs and [TS]

  you'd like to think that but computer is a computer and a native of these stories [TS]

  from the Pro Mac people saying I we bought max on our support must have gone [TS]

  down you know this is just a story two stories evergreen like at this point [TS]

  about people everywhere like what everyone agrees that Windows is exactly [TS]

  the same as I was 10 interim like modern computers don't have all those were [TS]

  things used to have like you know IRQ conflicts in DLL how and all that's gone [TS]

  now everything's all plug and play and they should be about the same [TS]

  macsai problems to its like it's all washington who cares anyway because [TS]

  we're all looking at mobile who cares what the hell is going on in Windows a [TS]

  nice tan and then here is IBM you know I believe they actually are saving money [TS]

  not baby because Macs are easier to manage or because that Mac users being [TS]

  less help but it's like sup selecting anyone who may be interested enough to [TS]

  to demand a Mac is inaccurate or knows how to use it needs less support that's [TS]

  got to be in there somewhere but I'm also willing to believe that I always [TS]

  have been willing to please you know I think it's the truth that because [TS]

  there's a less variety of hardware and software [TS]

  your support costs can be lower than just a few variables like to think about [TS]

  that used to be easy to use like mattresses das or whatever but the [TS]

  bottom line today i think is there aren't that many Macs in the world in [TS]

  there are tons of different weird PCs and Windows has to account for all of [TS]

  them and Apollonius count for the max the did itself is made it so good job [TS]

  IBM and it's a crazy world where iBM is buying 2009 max 2000 max per week and [TS]

  has three thousand already that's weird I mean as I think I mentioned several [TS]

  times in the past I'm a child of a almost lifelong IBM her and I mean I was [TS]

  never that big into the IBM vs Mac debate I mean I was to some extent back [TS]

  in the day and I clearly was on the side of IBM but it's this is weird it's super [TS]

  weird like my entire childhood was defined by ThinkPads and to see them [TS]

  basically abandoning their own product which yes I know isn't over and has been [TS]

  for a few years but you know abandoning that thing that they came up with two to [TS]

  go towards Apple Macs that's just me and that's weird and to quickly address [TS]

  Gareth in the chatroom I was not forced to use I was too I chose to you I was to [TS]

  use it was to water it was magical share it wants it was unbelievably good hands [TS]

  and CD was a gift that was totally make so anyway so speaking of IBM in the [TS]

  enterprise apple says that they have earned twenty five billion dollars in [TS]

  annual revenue in last 12 months from the enterprise which is apparently a [TS]

  little over 10 percent of the total revenue for Apple and it's up forty [TS]

  percent year over year my goodness yeah for a company that is interested in the [TS]

  enterprise that IBM partnership as seems to be working as intended it was like [TS]

  Apple's iPhone deal with this crap but they're glad to partner with somebody [TS]

  who will do but the groundwork and just make them the money and you know ten [TS]

  percent of your business shows that Apple stores not an enterprise companies [TS]

  like Oracle ASAP or something is really Microsoft that matter but forty percent [TS]

  year over year is the growth of their their enterprise is like I think about [TS]

  what has happened unrelated to the enterprise other than the IBM deal not [TS]

  like Apple has suddenly rededicated its entire product efforts on the enterprise [TS]

  they're still do with it always done to support the enterprise but I think the [TS]

  IBM partnership is hoping he'll just just sales of Mexico IBM itself alone [TS]

  forget about IBM helping other people to buy Macs and recommending them in [TS]

  supporting them with all their need iPad apps and stuff like that so thumbs up on [TS]

  this partnership [TS]

  seemed like a good idea at the time and still seems like a good idea because I [TS]

  still do not see any area where like Microsoft and IBM's partnership where [TS]

  iBM is cleverly maneuvering to step out on the back just seems like when so far [TS]

  I agree and finally let's make Federico said the iPad is it really like the way [TS]

  we all knew the iPad was you know if you look at the grass I forget things in [TS]

  Jason's now six colleagues think we should add that to the show notes but [TS]

  get aggressive like the sales of the different products and their different [TS]

  lines there's the lines for the phone with just one section of the graph and [TS]

  has its own slope and actually kicks up in recent years and then there's the [TS]

  sections for the Mac and iPad and iPad curves look like their siblings like [TS]

  their way down here that I into lower the kind of sad little droopy you know [TS]

  they're they're going up there not really going down [TS]

  much maybe the iPad a little bit but they're they're reasonable but the [TS]

  iPhone is in a different categories if you take the iPhone out of the equation [TS]

  and look like a blanket but it demonstrated his thing earlier and look [TS]

  at just the curb of desktops laptops and tablets if you visualize it in a [TS]

  particular way as he is done here what it looks like is that laptops are being [TS]

  replaced by tablets so the laptop sales are dipping little bit and the tablets [TS]

  are continuing the curfew between gotta find pretty convincing and it may be [TS]

  that like it doesn't change the reality that the iPad is not going to be the [TS]

  next iPhone we all know that it could just be you know and in the same way [TS]

  that Apple wants to introduce proxy cannot cannibalize its own products that [TS]

  the iPad and especially the larger the iPads are the future cannibalize of [TS]

  desktop and laptop computers and not going to cannibalize the phone at all [TS]

  because thats untouchable it seems reasonable how you view things could be [TS]

  misleading but it really is great and I go totally I see exactly how it's gone [TS]

  but you could visualize the same day different but I like I get the chance [TS]

  down there but I like the ones graphed it showed how the lines or separate [TS]

  universes from each other [TS]

  the graph that shows you know it's not big growth like the max and everything [TS]

  like the growth of that sector of the market is small and Apple is growing [TS]

  slightly and most other companies selling desktops laptops are contracting [TS]

  slightly so it's all just off as a kind of like I wouldn't call it a hobby yet [TS]

  but it's it's a lot of money because everything to us a lot of money but the [TS]

  iPhone is just so ridiculous now that you don't have to like helps to [TS]

  separating calls let's talk about the iPhone [TS]

  everything else in the universe [TS]

  yes so in summary Apple has more money than your didi of choice and it's all [TS]

  stored away in various bank accounts and things are going well so I'd like to [TS]

  change changed hyun quite a bit and talk about what we call this follow out is [TS]

  that right [TS]

  think so I'm all confused now which is different than follow up on the topics [TS]

  have been fallout is the end these variations of follow-up are not [TS]

  officially sanctioned not you know like it was it like for iPhone and I don't [TS]

  need to make an official stamp of approval program for variations on these [TS]

  are not desirable likes my goodness that's fantastic so this one officially [TS]

  sanctioned or unofficially and unsanctioned follow out is with regard [TS]

  to the podcast upgrade with her friends Mike Hurley and Jason Snell and Mike and [TS]

  Jason were talking about on this week's episode what to do with regards to large [TS]

  long-term on premise storage and Mike it said you know offered a lot of people [TS]

  talk about whether or not having an Asus worthwhile and then if you do get a [TS]

  nasty is heard you know half of his friends and say oh you should absolutely [TS]

  without a shadow of a doubt get a Drobo and then he's heard the other half of [TS]

  his friends say you should absolutely without a shadow of a doubt get a [TS]

  Synology and he wasn't sure what to do he doesn't really keen on the idea of [TS]

  network-attached storage to begin with the question is what do you do not do it [TS]

  network attached to do something more physically attached my god what do i do [TS]

  you know says Mike and I know we've talked about this a lot in the past but [TS]

  it's been a long time since we've talked about this Marcos been almost burned by [TS]

  some nice cozy software at least 34 times in the last year so I thought we'd [TS]

  at least briefly revisit this in kind of talk about what we recommend what our [TS]

  thoughts our market you wanna come kick this off [TS]

  yes you're so [TS]

  I mean so we all acknowledge he was graceful enough to give us all Synology [TS]

  units back two years ago was awhile ago now so we all have the same one right [TS]

  the eighteen thirteen plus so so we all have the same giant eight days and [TS]

  ecology and is like this it's not it's no longer their current model but at the [TS]

  time they gave it to us it was a very high end model and as far as I know [TS]

  we've all had great stories of them you know we've all had great success with [TS]

  them they've been proven to be very good [TS]

  the problem with with nasa's though from me is complexity and back up those those [TS]

  are always get me [TS]

  nasa's offer a whole bunch of features because they are just like little little [TS]

  computers really running specialized usually Linux's and there's there's a [TS]

  lot they can do you can have them like you know serve Plex sometimes maybe [TS]

  depending on your transcoding needs like a sieve already talked about you can [TS]

  have them like download BitTorrent stuff for you can have the host Cloud Files [TS]

  for you when you're out there's all sorts of you can do with an ass I do [TS]

  none of it but I just do not use those features at all all I really use it for [TS]

  is archival storage just long-term both file storage things I don't usually need [TS]

  to access even that is all I use it for and so all those features are wasted on [TS]

  me I think and I think that's what most people really need I don't think most [TS]

  people really need to be managing this whole other many specialized server in [TS]

  their house I think what they really just wanted more space for their [TS]

  computers you know I think that's that's the main the main goal here and it's [TS]

  great because when you're gonna move to something like an ass or even a Drobo I [TS]

  get to in a minute [TS]

  you you gain the ability to use 3.5 inch hard drives where you can basically [TS]

  spend nothing and get many terabytes of space it is crazy how cheap storage and [TS]

  compared to our world of modern at least the decent computers that have SSD [TS]

  storage you know where fretting over whether to go with the 512 the terabyte [TS]

  or whatever [TS]

  meanwhile you can get a for Tara by desktop drive for 100 bucks now they [TS]

  mean [TS]

  dried the desktop charger so cheap now and they aren't that fast compared as DS [TS]

  but it doesn't matter what you doin archival storage so an ass is a great [TS]

  way to get a whole bunch of archival storage somewhere in your house and if [TS]

  you want like me if you want to avoid noise at your computer external drives [TS]

  don't really help there but you can put an ass anywhere in your house or you can [TS]

  run a wire so that gives you a lot of options there for you no noise and [TS]

  location and everything like that so there are a lot of benefit analysis but [TS]

  the complexity of managing this like little serving your house has always [TS]

  bothered me a little bit and also the question of backups my preferred [TS]

  playback of his back please I should disclose they sponsor bitumen times [TS]

  although I was using them before the sponsor and I like that place a lot I [TS]

  have tried CrashPlan before and I've had nothing but terrible luck with it I have [TS]

  I tried today I tried running CrashPlan on a Mac trying to back up this analogy [TS]

  I've tried running the actual client that can run directly on the Synology [TS]

  after learning that I've tried so I've tried crash man I think at least three [TS]

  times over the last few years and every time it fails it just slows down to a [TS]

  crawl eventually fails and people point to various like Java heap limits and [TS]

  something that I've tried so many different things that people said oh [TS]

  just change the configuration setting in this file whenever I've tried so many [TS]

  different things and it just fails every time it seemed they just can't keep up [TS]

  with a many terabyte back up with tons of files so I have had terrible crash [TS]

  man but crash man is the only one that will back up a network drive or will run [TS]

  directly on the Synology whereas Backblaze will only backup locally [TS]

  attached things from your Mac or PC so what I do now my Synology in the closet [TS]

  to the discs that uses for Time Machine it to use of those normally as it's like [TS]

  native file system all the other ones it made its serving a giant ice cozy volume [TS]

  is that is then mounted on my Mac Mini server using a terrible iSCSI initiator [TS]

  isn't one that the Mac OS 10 I use the shadow one but the the global samba [TS]

  worst from you was less reliable so they're both terrible and is like $200 [TS]

  right there is more money down the drain there and it so I use giant ice volume [TS]

  on the Synology with its crazy rate set up now on natural nice cozy on the Mac [TS]

  Mini as a local disk that fools back plays into thinking its local because [TS]

  it's nice cozy and so then backed ways back it up and it's formatted with a [TS]

  service plus because it kind of has to be for that to work very well so it's a [TS]

  big complex set up when really I think I would be perfectly fine these days like [TS]

  I don't need 10 terabytes of stuff I think I'll be fine these days honestly [TS]

  just getting rid of it at some point and just getting a few [TS]

  either either two terabyte laptop drives in little USB enclosures little family [TS]

  and losers and just tolerating will be implemented noise they make or getting [TS]

  one terabyte SSDs and putting them in little USB enclosures 2012 is now $300 [TS]

  and that's only going down over time so like I wouldn't need that many of them [TS]

  you know I don't know it drives me nuts how complex my current setup is and I'm [TS]

  only I'm only not changing it right now because it is currently working but as [TS]

  soon as I need changing about this dump it entirely [TS]

  the entire value of an ass is lost on me and I don't need this giant you know [TS]

  this giant box making all this noise in my closet you guys feel like you're [TS]

  better at it than I am well let me just before I talk about myself if you were [TS]

  to do it all over again what do you think he would do you would do something [TS]

  physically connected or you would just how would you handle that the the [TS]

  problem of long-term storage [TS]

  and a good nasa's is you know often near thousand dollars sometimes more if you [TS]

  need a favor for the same price or less I think I would probably just do it I [TS]

  said just like you get like three or four one terabyte as DS try to find an [TS]

  enclosure that could that can run family and can hold all of them probably [TS]

  doesn't exist I have a ticket if hasn't her computer [TS]

  she's a similar kind of set up like this and with the OWC Thunder Bay many for [TS]

  something that it's the two tries and that one does not run families I [TS]

  mentioned in previous I replace the fan in it [TS]

  require one but it is still has noticeable fan noise and the reason why [TS]

  is not because the disparate happen because it has this Thunderbolt chip on [TS]

  it that this controller chip that runs incredibly hot to the touch if you don't [TS]

  then it and there's no heatsink just a bare chip and it just runs insanely hot [TS]

  I have no idea why they even when the driver idle anyway so what I would do [TS]

  now is probably by external drives and even even if I spent the money to make [TS]

  them all [TS]

  little SSDs so they would be totally silent that would probably be cheaper [TS]

  than an ass and it wouldn't be nearly as much space but I would argue I probably [TS]

  don't need that much space because my nasa's literally had 10 terabytes free [TS]

  for the for the for the last few I he'll do I i totally sympathize with what [TS]

  you're saying but I don't have the same complaints you do as you expected I have [TS]

  of course the same Dec 1813 + util what I can tell with Synology model names the [TS]

  eighth in 1813 means its eighth day and 13 means to the 2013 model so the modern [TS]

  version of what we have is a TES 1815 [TS]

  that's why they skipped the 14 yeah I didn't realize that was a thing until [TS]

  somebody pointed that out on Twitter which I remember who it was and I was [TS]

  like whoa mind blown had no idea why so that is 1815 plus the modern version but [TS]

  I freaking love my Synology [TS]

  as Marcus said it was calm it was comps not only the box but all the drives in [TS]

  it we have 83 gig 3 termite excuse me hard drives in these I love this thing [TS]

  it has its own I'm not call it operating system that's a misnomer it has its own [TS]

  web interface lets use that it has its own web interface as many nasa steel and [TS]

  it lets you do all sorts of things on it I use mine is a VPN server all the time [TS]

  particularly lately since I've been working at a clients office and infirm I [TS]

  my Mac I like to be on a VPN and will be on my own it has BitTorrent client if [TS]

  that's your thing it has a newsgroup clients if that's your thing it has [TS]

  really great file sharing so if you have a stupidly large file that you want a [TS]

  center somebody and maybe you don't want to use what's the Apple thing that just [TS]

  came out last year the Apple watch the funny thing where they led that lets you [TS]

  send huge files iCloud sharing or something no no that's not right but [TS]

  it's actually work I've never actually seen it i've never trying mailbag [TS]

  I'm use it that wasn't this year that was my last review at that time so that [TS]

  must have been in Yosemite but yeah I'm used to it it's a nice weight and if you [TS]

  if you use them obviously alright think that the the web interface you can send [TS]

  an attachment without regard to how big the attachment is because it [TS]

  automatically uploads a tag clouds everybody does something like Cloud [TS]

  Apple one of those things does but automatically in with no ads in for free [TS]

  it's something drop as per the chat room perhaps mail drop in any case so if you [TS]

  don't drop you can you can use your Synology to do that [TS]

  and none of these things are unique to the Synology over also be a Plex server [TS]

  although my model the eighteen thirteen + did not have a strong CPU for doing [TS]

  live transcoding and we talked about this in the past month ago on about its [TS]

  best if they didn't work well for me but what does work well for me is having my [TS]

  personal Mac which is effectively a desktop server even though it's actually [TS]

  a 15 inch high res antiglare that's the Plex server in it and I just have it [TS]

  look at the Synology to get all its media and so it just it's a wonderful [TS]

  having a server in the house if you're at all geeky aid network attached [TS]

  storage does not need to be that server it you would probably perhaps be better [TS]

  off with a Mac Mini if you can afford to have such a thing or if you have saved a [TS]

  five Cape Breton iMac and you just wanna leave it on constantly that would also [TS]

  probably work just as well if not better but for me I just really like having [TS]

  some sort of box it's kind of a server that I can offload those those weird [TS]

  tasks like if I do you want to download a torrent of some legal software or or [TS]

  some open the free movie or what have you [TS]

  yeah I can I can offload out onto the Synology if I want to share files with [TS]

  friends or family makes it very easy and the other thing that I love more than [TS]

  anything else is that because I have six of the eight drives in psychology hybrid [TS]

  raid which is one drive redundancy so one of these drives can explode now be [TS]

  ok which is insanely slow is it I don't notice it like any of them agreed 5 a [TS]

  kind of things I mean rates to rate five is also very slow because I believe Mr [TS]

  Right every block to every disk so very someone writes an OK on Reid's nobody [TS]

  uses raid 5 performance and then so there's no you have here is very similar [TS]

  to what people know drove us to do will talk about those I guess so you know [TS]

  which is basically you have like a kind of software managed volume we're kind of [TS]

  many just the whole file system for you kind of have to to to resize itself so [TS]

  that way you can use an array of discs of different sizes and then if you can [TS]

  actually expand the volume by replacing discs wanted to time so it's a cool [TS]

  setup if you if you have [TS]

  expanding needs over time but you do pay a penalty in performance for sure and [TS]

  some with some of them both as a question of liability driven particular [TS]

  has had a pretty spotty reliability history which is why I've never venture [TS]

  into the area myself because if you ask her about owners many of the ones you [TS]

  talk to have Japan find it had no problems whatsoever it's been rocks off [TS]

  of them however you will hear a lot of people telling you all their horror [TS]

  stories interpose and so it just never end and the reviews coming back this up [TS]

  if you look on like Amazon ever free tech sites like it really does seem like [TS]

  they have a spotty history of liability and that's why I I would not I don't [TS]

  think I want to try one but I I don't know you know you never say never in [TS]

  this business so nicely to to wrap it up I I love having some sort of server like [TS]

  being on the network in the house and I really love my Synology and and yes I [TS]

  got this for free if I were to PEP 840 would have been over $1,000 of other [TS]

  drives in it which is absurdly expensive but they have other versions I think [TS]

  they have any age fifteen 15 this year which would be a five-day version [TS]

  there's there's two to Bay versions so whatever you think is right for you get [TS]

  that if you can be a drug or psychology but just having effectively infinite [TS]

  storage is a life changer because I used to have to worry about you know oh well [TS]

  as an example for all these episodes of let's call it highest gear from these [TS]

  episodes of that show you how do I burn them to DVDs so I can get them off my [TS]

  max I can have all that space back oh I don't ever want to download the 1080 [TS]

  versions because I don't want to take up that much space now don't care whatever [TS]

  it is I'll take it I got plenty of room and that is magical so I've gone on [TS]

  marcus Stone on John what's your take on all this [TS]

  getting back to the buckets off with Mike and his questions at this point [TS]

  despite what all of us have said what you just said I'm going to say and it [TS]

  said in the past but our particular set-ups what this comes down to is one [TS]

  of those conversations that used to be more common surrounding things like [TS]

  computers and smartphones little bit but mostly computers where if you're known [TS]

  as like the computer guy or gal in your family or your town or in your group of [TS]

  friends or whatever you get questions from people who is a like if someone has [TS]

  done about cars what car should I buy what computer should I get how should I [TS]

  configure the computer that you get a computer questions like this and I'm [TS]

  sure each of us has been the resident tech narrative many times too many [TS]

  people and in most cases you have to turn it into like an interview yet to [TS]

  say all right but what do you actually wanna do what is your budget what are [TS]

  your needs what's important to you and then you can recommend something you can [TS]

  tell them what the tradeoffs are which may make them change their minds about [TS]

  oh I didn't realize that and now I'm going to prioritize this or that I do [TS]

  realize how much that costs are high GPA of everybody in the bottom it's like a [TS]

  back and forth like ok well if you know if you don't want to use any sort of [TS]

  like you don't need a home server you don't imagine of the things you just [TS]

  wanted to be done by Krispy do need to backup or do you subscribe to a cloud [TS]

  backup service do you not want to subscribe to on what kind of backup [TS]

  things you can do this big long complicated interview I think all of us [TS]

  if anyone asked could lead them to the optimal solutions for them there is no [TS]

  optimal solution for everybody just really depends on what you think about [TS]

  that and Mike and his questions like I think we could all do that for him and [TS]

  kind of have a little bit in the Slackware we all hang out but the fact [TS]

  that you have to have that conversation and the fact that you need all his [TS]

  expertise and experience to guide in the right direction shows that this is sort [TS]

  of an unsolved problem the Newton knowing that you have to miss also came [TS]

  up with this like that it's annoying you have to do all this had these expertise [TS]

  and sort of cobble together these systems like that it's not something you [TS]

  have to think about it much better than it used to be mean again I believe I [TS]

  said in my view that time she was the best feature Apple ever had it too [TS]

  and operating system because private I machine getting anyone to do backups [TS]

  ever was just not happening and Time Machine didn't make it so easy that [TS]

  everybody does it but boy did it lower the barrier to entry massively lowered [TS]

  it and still there is a massive barrier yet to go because it's like okay they [TS]

  made it so much easier great that was great and 10.5 right but then you gotta [TS]

  buy an external hard drive and had attached to the USB as a firewire drive [TS]

  back to Nazca to Time Machine over the network of the time capsules leggy [TS]

  Canada time machine to a third party thing like a Synology like it is still [TS]

  backups in general are still way way to art and lots of people think like this [TS]

  is this will be solved when everything is network back up well in this country [TS]

  anyway if we are all waiting around for everyone to get network connections fast [TS]

  enough to back up the the amount of data that they produce and store on their [TS]

  computers where we're all gonna be dead but like other countries may have better [TS]

  network infrastructure outlooks for the next fifty to a hundred years the united [TS]

  states does not have very good outlook so I think it's it's kind of a shame [TS]

  that this is still not to solve problems and Apple for the most part has fun [TS]

  tonight at the time capsule which I wish works better than it did because it [TS]

  seemed like the ideal solution maybe when they get time capsule and they [TS]

  rededicate themselves to time capsule with their no assets coming out any day [TS]

  now I'm sure file system a system of data integrity protection that can [TS]

  efficiently send if you can imagine a scenario where time capsule starts to [TS]

  become a much better solution that is but today we're all talking about buying [TS]

  enclosures in sticking bare drives and Adam Marcos like well I'm gonna buy some [TS]

  SSDs and find things like nobody's gonna do that it's just too darn hard so I [TS]

  think taken from this is there's probably a slut if you're listening but [TS]

  there is probably a solution that fits your needs to back up what you want we [TS]

  don't know what it is because we know what your needs are and in general this [TS]

  is way too hard like this this should not this is one of the last remaining [TS]

  bastions of [TS]

  of computers are annoying and difficult to manage and problematic and there is [TS]

  no easy good choice then I can recommend everybody now [TS]

  yeah and it's really unfortunate because you're right this is way too complicated [TS]

  for people this is one of the reasons why people have often no backups because [TS]

  you know like so many people I'm sure we've all seen people it is really they [TS]

  they will they will have an external drive enclosure on their desk that they [TS]

  call their backup drive but it actually isn't the back of it is just more space [TS]

  for the times into it but I [TS]

  message says time machine is not backed up in 10 days right oh yeah machine does [TS]

  at least tell you that a lot of people think they're running time machine but [TS]

  they're not so an intrusive and they get the message I can imagine them [TS]

  dismissing and going on for itself [TS]

  this is why one of one of my very early like when I started my what was then [TS]

  called the fat bits blog at Ars Technica one of the very source articles I really [TS]

  think was called the case for raid or something like that where I was [TS]

  desperately looking for some way to actually [TS]

  to keep climbing up that stupid backup he'll like Time Machine great guns up [TS]

  whenever I don't even have time she was out by then but it's like it's too hard [TS]

  for people to back up like even even with Time Machine I had to battle to [TS]

  convince my relatives to buy an external hard drive try convincing someone had to [TS]

  spend any amount of money to get a box with wires to connect the basement [TS]

  computer their spot there like why why do I need this what it's like a TV and [TS]

  say that the cable box I guess so it's not a good example but I think people [TS]

  don't want to do it they don't want to buy a thing and then they have to you [TS]

  know the power supply and a dizer there makes noise and I need to be turned on [TS]

  not the nicest and discounting and unmount things it's complicated but I [TS]

  was looking for Apple which is the old Apple's like you just build in twice the [TS]

  storage every single computer like sell computers that say that X amount of [TS]

  storage it really have always have two acts and have them essentially do what [TS]

  you know I think anything is free time machine [TS]

  essentially do incremental backups from one drive to the other right kind of [TS]

  this week recovery partition saving the West but doesn't save you dated all and [TS]

  it's all the same mechanism I basically wanted was a mean again for using it as [TS]

  a trade is not really raised you know the red one would still be better than [TS]

  nothing even though it's not a backup but mike the owner that the premise was [TS]

  the only way you're ever gonna get people to back up [TS]

  sliding them and over provision and give them twice the storage they have and [TS]

  pretend they have half that storage and just incremental backups or no choice of [TS]

  every single bit because that's what people want this on a computer you plunk [TS]

  down like a phone they want to find you on a plane to land phones so far have [TS]

  been able to get by on the fact that the data does not accumulate on phones fast [TS]

  enough to make it impossible to do a cloud backup and so the cloud backup [TS]

  pricing stuff I think going back up there in a better state than computer [TS]

  backup not the best because you know you hear stories that people go into an [TS]

  Apple store with a bump on and that have never backed it up anywhere whether in [TS]

  the cloud or on iTunes in there said the older photos the entire family so still [TS]

  a ways to go there but that that ten of you know that that blog post [TS]

  radar just like just like apple computer so expensive anyway just put the storage [TS]

  and all of them because literally is really the cry for help like we're never [TS]

  gonna solve this with current technology there's no way to solve this without [TS]

  essentially making it not an option and we're still not there and the the new [TS]

  the new slightly more price-conscious Apple that is putting spinning hard [TS]

  drives in the new for a iMac iMac is definitely not putting twice the storage [TS]

  and everything so we're still waiting on one more thing on this we talked about [TS]

  our market CrashPlan backup network drives and backplanes not backing them [TS]

  up [TS]

  lot of requests in the back legs of that and sometimes they were thinking about [TS]

  it we've heard that request so on and so forth [TS]

  I don't know anything about why back plates as a backup network drives but [TS]

  based on what I know about how would I know about the most efficient way to [TS]

  know what needs to be backed up on the west end the most efficient way you can [TS]

  do that is to use the various API's in the West End let you know hey since the [TS]

  last time you asked me I can tell you that things have changed in this [TS]

  directory that director in that directory and maybe even like yours with [TS]

  the changes that's what you need to be able to do otherwise have been trying to [TS]

  back up literally four million files which is not an unreasonable number [TS]

  files or something with a lot of data [TS]

  every time you run the backup the first job as do is say since the last time [TS]

  backup which of these four million files have either been added deleted or [TS]

  changed since the last time I did a backup and without a more efficient [TS]

  method you have to basically scan the entire drive and ask every one of us are [TS]

  you doing are you doing are you still there have you been updated [TS]

  compared to last time you backed up or whatever that is massively inefficient [TS]

  so you want to do more efficient mechanism and offer several more [TS]

  efficient mechanisms but most of them require pretty much all I think require [TS]

  the official mechanisms require the i/o to that drive to go through the kernel [TS]

  the operating system so if you have local stories like it sounded like a [TS]

  local disk will be relying on its not really local high schools there are [TS]

  literally as a local disconnected through a FireWire or you know [TS]

  Thunderbolt or USB or sad or whatever if the iota discontinued wrote the filed by [TS]

  sending out through the kernel running on this Mac and same for all the other [TS]

  operations than 10 will have a lot of all those events in the president's log [TS]

  and has abyei's for you to ask it what happened since the last time I asked and [TS]

  you can give you the answer really quickly and efficiently without scanning [TS]

  the entire drive you can't do that for a network drive because a network drive [TS]

  people could be doing I O two other Macs going through their kernels and there I [TS]

  O system and your turn on your OS has no idea that's happening so there's no way [TS]

  to say hey what happened to the network drive since last time I asked because it [TS]

  doesn't know you just don't know so if actually did you network drive support [TS]

  they would have to do what CrashPlan does which is everything you do that I [TS]

  get a rescan the whole free network drive and find out what has changed [TS]

  since last time because there is no more efficient way to ask about it because [TS]

  other people could be updating the drive at the same time locally attached [TS]

  storage so you know price wise are not going to network drives because they're [TS]

  potentially large or whatever there are technical reasons why even if a close [TS]

  added support for network drives it would be crappier than that closes [TS]

  support for local storage I don't know 44 CrashPlan I don't know if it does the [TS]

  good API for local storage even just go out and do nothing I crashed my news [TS]

  recently they announced that there's a new version of crossfire coming up it [TS]

  does not use Joba on OS 10 and I sent another thorn in our side about [TS]

  crash-landed [TS]

  it is a job application yet that's not the JVM forward and doesn't feel native [TS]

  and it's you know as opposed to going back legs which is native application [TS]

  and a diversion class crash Monday supposedly coming out maybe that won't [TS]

  rule it matters but it certainly won't improve the fact that it just can't know [TS]

  what changed on network drive it without scanning all the stuff of the drive I [TS]

  get around that time I person set up briefly touching on that by mostly story [TS]

  on my network attached storage you there [TS]

  large files like the sparse disk images I think there's a broken up in like two [TS]

  gig strips or whatever basically largest files or things like video files that [TS]

  are also very large so it is a small number of relatively large files and [TS]

  that's it's faster to scan that scanning texas gal with a number of files that [TS]

  you have to scan so I have not so many files not so many director is but those [TS]

  files they're very often hundreds of megabytes or gigabytes or larger so [TS]

  that's why I backup my Synology CrashPlan backing up my psychology and [TS]

  even though does the incredibly inefficient scan the entire disk has no [TS]

  choice [TS]

  network attached storage it works in a reason for all the things you mentioned [TS]

  about about network drives having all these you know all these limitations [TS]

  based on the fact they could be accessed through in shared mean by somebody else [TS]

  I hate browsing network drives like i dont the first of all spotlight design [TS]

  index them so if you have files on network drive spotlight just can't find [TS]

  them as far as I can tell and then number one thing is I hate getting I [TS]

  hate having to connect [TS]

  hit connect them aside I don't know if things cannot reliably these days what [TS]

  year is this but for some reason it seems that can't happen right [TS]

  good the server hit connect go back to the dr what the spinner while Lloyds [TS]

  list of files in the directory on what has been here again is a list of those [TS]

  files like it's it's so stupid and I mean that in the sense that it is not [TS]

  smart it is just really simple in in in a primitive way and it is just terrible [TS]

  like I don't think it's unreasonable to want all my stuff to be available [TS]

  quickly really even though it results in a desk covered enclosures and wire then [TS]

  possibly know these issues if you don't if you don't go all out [TS]

  I really do think that just a couple of external drives is by far the best [TS]

  choice most of the time if it as long as I can fix what you need to say it is [TS]

  probably the right answer for my because I don't think he wants any sort of [TS]

  management thing like all the stuff that I really get jazzed about in my Synology [TS]

  being able to offload file downloads a file uploads being able to have a VPN [TS]

  endpoint I don't think mike wants any of that in so I think you're right Marco [TS]

  that just having one or more enclosures physically hanging off his computer is [TS]

  probably from what we can tell the better answer for him is the other angle [TS]

  that mention that we got our colleges are free and it's kind of like for me it [TS]

  was the ultimate like gift to your is one of five people guessed that they [TS]

  wouldn't buy themselves especially people who like seems it is by [TS]

  themselves or whatever they want whose names I Marco it's very difficult to [TS]

  know what to get them because it's like what they wanted something would already [TS]

  bought from somebody usually something that somebody won't buy for themselves I [TS]

  think it's a thriller they don't think they need to do whatever but if they got [TS]

  it would actually enjoy it and really good guy Raz buyers and I'm not one of [TS]

  them can figure out with us things are anyway [TS]

  Synology PR department actually turned out to be really good for me because [TS]

  I've been thinking about NASA's for a long time but unlike other expensive and [TS]

  they don't have data integrity and I don't imagine the server analysts are so [TS]

  things but because I got one for free whenever throw down there still would [TS]

  like to tell you now this thing broke I would buy another nests but I don't know [TS]

  it's literally the only an asset ever owns I have no way to compare to other [TS]

  nasa's of the stories I've heard from people but I would buy another one [TS]

  because now that I have it I do what case it does I love having another I [TS]

  love having a huge amount of storage that is in a different room I love all [TS]

  the little server management things like it would you know it's been totally [TS]

  reliable to me let me let everything auto update the apps I don't let the [TS]

  apps auto update on my phone date on it [TS]

  everything's always been fine it's always up it sends me email us like it [TS]

  goes on the UPS power so I can tell when someone is overloading a circuit breaker [TS]

  in the house and I can't tell if the power goes back [TS]

  i download torrents from its I don't believe any of my computers running to [TS]

  just to download torrents and stuff like that it is also the video that my kids [TS]

  watch integrates with my TV ITV can read can play around with nothing just the TV [TS]

  and of course every other device that I have can also play very often like my [TS]

  Playstation and the Apple TV and serious I got the call the place out there like [TS]

  that all the stuff that I would thought would be a frail and the DUI's I kinda [TS]

  gross and Linux and it is I use it all the time and I love it and so had I not [TS]

  been gifted this thing I wouldn't I would still be saying like now I don't [TS]

  need something like that but now that I have it I would totally get another one [TS]

  maybe not maybe one cuz like mark I have a lot of free space on the thing at this [TS]

  point but but i like it so I wouldn't be so quick to tell somebody special [TS]

  someone who's never going to ask that you told you don't need an ass cuz you [TS]

  may end up like Mark Owen said you know it really what I really want is just a [TS]

  bunch of really silent you know as he started writing my desk its native [TS]

  speeds or you made an application and be excited by the possibilities of your an [TS]

  ass and love it every time you get to copy something to her from it over your [TS]

  local gigabit network and the I was really fast this bunch of multi-gigabit [TS]

  video files and you don't hear the discs and they're far away as great yeah I i [TS]

  would like to double down and everything you just said John particularly about oh [TS]

  yeah I don't think I needed that I've been ruined for life because now that I [TS]

  have this Knology I will never ever ever not have another NASA and unless [TS]

  something goes horribly wrong with the Synology all of a sudden I will probably [TS]

  always buy small cheese from now on because I freaking love this thing I [TS]

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  soup google has entered the podcasting ecosystem what is this all about [TS]

  so we don't know a lot about it yet so here's a blog post and they did a couple [TS]

  interviews I listened to and so the short version is that Google Play Music [TS]

  which is their music streaming service I guess about it but Google play music is [TS]

  adding podcasts to itself [TS]

  and so what this weekend and it's gonna start out and read only but for the most [TS]

  part I believe this is going to go everywhere you know soon at some point [TS]

  so assuming to be everywhere [TS]

  soonish this is basically Google's big play in podcasting as far as we can tell [TS]

  they used to have a really basic entry player I think but I think it was a long [TS]

  time ago anyway what this means for podcasting is still a big question mark [TS]

  the idea is there going to be blending podcasts in with music in this one [TS]

  unified Google play music service and then they I i guess i get i dont too [TS]

  much about it but I guess the whole idea of who play music is is too kinda select [TS]

  what you want to hear right now based on all the stuff who knows about you which [TS]

  is a lot so it's like you know if your gonna be at the gym they're gonna pick [TS]

  gym music for you if you're gonna be you know when the car they gonna pick you [TS]

  know that that's that's like the idea is that it kinda it can automatically can [TS]

  select and play stuff that they think is going to make the most sense for you [TS]

  doing right now based on your your activities and taste and so they're [TS]

  they're mixing podcast into that and so used to be all music now to music plus [TS]

  podcast you like or something it's unclear to me whether it's going to be [TS]

  like you know whether you subscribed specifically to things or whether it's [TS]

  random or whether it's both I don't know yet [TS]

  and and the implementation details are fairly important here this is not open [TS]

  of course because Google is not open despite what they say this is not an [TS]

  open standard and is not either open or standard well it's better than has been [TS]

  on Facebook instant articles where they make you for our Apple news for that [TS]

  matter where they make you like right some weird format they just read your [TS]

  RSS yes sir but it that's a that's a one-way transition so here's here's what [TS]

  happens and this is by the way very similar to stature and I don't know if [TS]

  this still works this way I haven't had in awhile but very similar to release [TS]

  used to work so you can subscribe to anything you want the podcast has to opt [TS]

  into this because Google is not just reading RSS feeds and I'm going to your [TS]

  server for each person who plays the filing [TS]

  does it in the most players do it is everyone publishes RSS feeds anywhere [TS]

  who cares this is the open web you can publish our city wherever you want and [TS]

  then the the client at the players like overcast or Apple podcast app they go [TS]

  down with the file directly from the publisher and that way the publisher [TS]

  first of all time the hook for things like them with an everything but also [TS]

  the publisher then get stats the publisher can control that publisher [TS]

  host the file and conserve exactly the file that will be served the people that [TS]

  you know they can make sure like give me this exact encoding exact metadata but [TS]

  you know this is my file and that they know what they're serving they know how [TS]

  many times they served as to how many people where they are you know roughly [TS]

  with IP geolocation and stuff like that and I have no logs I think that's [TS]

  something people don't realize about iTunes is that when you buy when you buy [TS]

  music from iTunes Apple is giving that do they have host the files when you buy [TS]

  applications from the App Store Apple is giving those files they host the [TS]

  applications but when you do a podcast which are in the same place and look [TS]

  very similar happens not hosting podcast those are coming from the individual [TS]

  podcaster service which is why this is low at the time [TS]

  yeah so anyway what's did you can with a few years ago but their service was [TS]

  basically like it was a very similar thing we're like you you have a [TS]

  publisher would have to opt-in was first I didn't but that was mistaken and use [TS]

  it as a top 10 because what they were doing was basically free hosting your [TS]

  files first of all who did not so that they would read your rss feed and then [TS]

  you they they would automatically download all your files and basically be [TS]

  their own cash for them in their own CDN and serve their copy of your files to [TS]

  other listeners so they know they can eat the cost in the bandwidth there but [TS]

  they also got all the control and all the stats and they also a transcoder [TS]

  filed into a lower bitrate to save space and to save them within make extreme [TS]

  better for people and make it sound worse right hand soap and of course make [TS]

  it sound worse so Google play music is doing all those things it is so so you [TS]

  at the publisher you go and agree to our terms and you submit your feed so if we [TS]

  decide that we don't want to do this you just can't play tepee music like any [TS]

  matter how much you can play it is that it's not it isn't based on the open web [TS]

  at all [TS]

  and you know whatever show if a brand new show launches you should check it [TS]

  out it probably won't be there you know it we'll see what happens over time but [TS]

  anyway so you go and subscribe to the show and then you are getting their copy [TS]

  of the file so you're you're download won't show up in the publisher's main [TS]

  stat system now Google is saying they will offer publisher stats like it you [TS]

  go into their dashboard you look at their stats but most podcasters who do [TS]

  care about stats which is anybody who serves ads they're ready to know they [TS]

  are to have their own systems for that so this morning agree with that it will [TS]

  be a separate thing you have to opt into and then go and check and then manually [TS]

  like adding to your stats system somehow or make some kind of API thing if there [TS]

  is an even is an API but he usually isn't from our Google services because [TS]

  they're so open so anyway they're gonna copy and then transcode your file [TS]

  possibly reduce the quality and of course they're going to reserve the [TS]

  right to play ads fortunately not in the middle of your show but between shows so [TS]

  you know because I think they can play any song free tier with that some of [TS]

  that so that that part is a little odd and uncomfortable for podcasters but [TS]

  that's the reality of free streaming services at least they aren't cutting [TS]

  into the middle of our show so that's the deal for podcasters basically [TS]

  they're they're doing it to go away where they know best [TS]

  they don't want to deal with the peons you know you deal with their system and [TS]

  they know any no that's that's the way to do it [TS]

  the other aspect that is very ghoulish but not evil [TS]

  use the old thing is that once they have your files and your data they will [TS]

  almost undoubtedly serve them up faster than the random into podcasters gonna do [TS]

  and they will also probably everyone is assuming I don't see why they wouldn't [TS]

  run them through something that translates the text into speech provide [TS]

  full text search for them like to try and obviously had underscored David [TS]

  Smith for finding things maybe there won't be on day one maybe it'll be in [TS]

  year three or four but surely what basically once school gets data and [TS]

  they're getting data by simply reading your rss feed employing all those files [TS]

  they are transcoding on their processing them [TS]

  I'm sure they they will if they have any kind of algorithms to do anything useful [TS]

  related to search to audio files I'm sure they do they're gonna do that the [TS]

  podcasts and that you know you are you talking about it from the perspective of [TS]

  a publisher but from the perspective of a user if like they did with Google [TS]

  photos if Google can provide something that appears magical like you can just [TS]

  type the word teacup as a bunch of pictures of tea cups are you can just [TS]

  type some words and find podcast with those things were spoken using the magic [TS]

  of Google that is an attractive feature to users because there is nothing [TS]

  equipment than any of the other podcasts including probably sitter because I [TS]

  imagine they don't have a data analysis tools that Google has their disposal so [TS]

  the potential upside to Google's own little dude google reader reader style [TS]

  not gonna call it a walled garden that cold chain link fence garden is that [TS]

  they can provide features to users by sucking in all this data that other [TS]

  people who are less interested in podcast because Apple seems to be there [TS]

  they're right there whenever there or just don't have the tech likes that [TS]

  those companies can't do that so there is potential user upside of this service [TS]

  and that scares me a little bit because I don't want podcasts too I don't want [TS]

  to Google Play to be the equivalent of iTunes shows the type that Apple's kind [TS]

  of Miley disinterested in podcast is good I like that I like it because it [TS]

  keeps it keeps it open it keeps podcast is a thing that anyone can have mine and [TS]

  I was like whatever as long as it's not porn doesn't have you know too much [TS]

  objectionable material will will put it up in our directory and you host the [TS]

  files and go ahead you know I like that I get better than Google Reader scenario [TS]

  where eventually the only way anyone ever listens to podcast this Google [TS]

  thing we are forced to do the school thing and have ads inserted between our [TS]

  show we are forced to have our show transcoded had no control over we are [TS]

  forced to end up numbers in two different locations [TS]

  that's not long term that's not good for anybody [TS]

  short-term we're all saying as producers this is doesn't we don't like it that [TS]

  much but if everybody starts going through Google Play will be forced to [TS]

  put up there are those are going to kind of audience by 50 percent 20% to 90% [TS]

  like in the end Google Reader is all there was in RSS [TS]

  then we run away there was a big power vacuum in a few other things like he'd [TS]

  been stuff came up and it is just never been the same yeah so that like that [TS]

  simulate the whole like you know what if this becomes so big that we all have to [TS]

  play ball that is the biggest risk for publishers ate it does seem on the face [TS]

  of it like we we've we kind of decided early on that we didn't want to be on [TS]

  stature and most of the reason we're gonna be in stature was all of that [TS]

  there was also the way I read the terms there was a promotional requirement to [TS]

  promote stitcher on the show that's one of the reasons why you hear so many [TS]

  people are saying find us on iTunes and stitcher because they had to and we did [TS]

  not agree to that so we didn't do it the only reason we could say no to that [TS]

  would be as it was so small but by most people's estimations teacher is five [TS]

  percent or less of a listener base so it wasn't it wasn't big enough to make it [TS]

  worth those downsides but this might become that big and right now you know [TS]

  podcast listening in general is very very lopsided right now towards iOS [TS]

  lipson occasionally will publish will discuss stats and I believe the ratio is [TS]

  something like eight to one in favor of iOS among all showed lives in a post [TS]

  which is a pretty wide range of shows so the total podcast listenership is still [TS]

  very iOS happy and that might be the case for quite some time and you know in [TS]

  my opinion because if you look like what podcasts are popular and what kind of [TS]

  people listen to podcasts I think it does a lot of overlap with the kind of [TS]

  people who should have listened to public radio and that does tend to skew [TS]

  upscale younger smarter richer more liberal and those are all I think [TS]

  demographics are more likely to have iPhones and Android devices also a not [TS]

  so I'm not trying to be inflammatory I think that's actually true I think that [TS]

  actually born out by stats but feel free if I'm sure if I'm wrong [TS]

  feel free to tell John so this might not matter in the sense that maybe Andrew [TS]

  people just aren't that into podcast listening you know it enough to take [TS]

  over the whole market and I'm not gonna say there aren't any but it's not going [TS]

  to be like a massive proportion of the of the market [TS]

  right now but who knows what will happen in the future right I don't want [TS]

  podcasting to be like YouTube where we're like you know right now if you [TS]

  need to make video online is basically your YouTube don't really have a lot of [TS]

  other choices that have any reasonable number of viewers like if you want to [TS]

  reach the people who watch videos he basically had to publish videos on [TS]

  YouTube I don't want picus never become that I'm a little worried about this [TS]

  from that point of view that the only the only thing that gives me hope is is [TS]

  that it doesn't seem like it will be that big you know it seems that the kind [TS]

  of thing they're doing because it isn't that much work for them to do on in the [TS]

  grand scheme of things they're trying to boost Google Play Music make it more [TS]

  people it wouldn't surprise me of a bold and they're doing something similar with [TS]

  like blending podcast and Apple music and in similar kind of way because these [TS]

  these services are both trying to beat her over the head and track people with [TS]

  Spotify did the same thing are they talking do the same thing I thought they [TS]

  talked about the podcast yet but i dont I mean I use Spotify several times a [TS]

  week if not daily and I don't recall having even stumbled onto a podcast [TS]

  section Spotify now doesn't mean it's not there I just haven't noticed [TS]

  the way they're positioning this as lake just something that will start playing [TS]

  when you wanna hear podcast or something that's what we'll have to see how to [TS]

  practice but that to me sounds like this is a system developed by people who hate [TS]

  podcasts or do understand them because they understand like a TV show you don't [TS]

  you know when we were kids when I was a kid anyway you could watch any episode [TS]

  different strokes and was fined as there was no continuity but podcast most [TS]

  popular certainly something like cereal discontinuity got started episode 12 go [TS]

  through in order you can't just be like ok play podcast you are you doing [TS]

  interleaving seventeen different shows that the random episodes will make any [TS]

  sense or even just like in leaving podcast with music makes no sense also [TS]

  like a three-minute song and then the to our podcast exactly like it just doesn't [TS]

  make sense so I'm hoping to be smart about it than that but upon first glance [TS]

  this looks like in in the same kind of way that the App Store in many ways you [TS]

  can tell by by what Steve Jobs thought of third-party software you can kind of [TS]

  tell the App Store was designed as a marketplace for software by a CEO who [TS]

  really didn't like something that's it [TS]

  the holding with like calling them apps it's kind it's kind of trivialize it [TS]

  it's it's kind of like you know talking down to it in a way that's my take on [TS]

  apps you think it's talking down I think it was branding and it was brilliant and [TS]

  it was trying to make application software something simple that everybody [TS]

  is that where I agree with you is that implementation why's it was so clear [TS]

  that is repurposed all the software and services and everything they had related [TS]

  to the iTunes store selling music and just said dolled up a little bit and [TS]

  blogs a store selling out that part is definitely true but I don't think the [TS]

  diminutive app or the attitude towards software is recognized as merely [TS]

  recognize that Apple's not very good services in the one thing that had they [TS]

  can sell that can send you bits sell you bits get take money and give you bits [TS]

  and keep track of what you purchased was a thing they had built a Cell music and [TS]

  they just adapted to sell up and look like that from the outside but I think I [TS]

  think Steve Jobs likes offer my eye I think there's really a combination there [TS]

  I think it is some of that like kind of condescending attitude [TS]

  and and also very similar to the problems Apple has with game where it's [TS]

  a little bit of the condescension and also just as early just not [TS]

  understanding it very well and so anyway I look at what I see from this so far [TS]

  and I heard there was a pre-interview on the on the actual believes in podcast [TS]

  which are linked to the name of the right now but there's interview one of [TS]

  the managers or something i some kind of manager title of this team talking about [TS]

  it and if you can get through the corporate speak which is not easy and [TS]

  all the really painfully scripted talking points that the guy just kept [TS]

  hitting in response to every question home is that people talk in California [TS]

  oh my god anyway it was that was rough but if you can get there all that you [TS]

  can come up with the idea of how they see this and it does kind of seemed like [TS]

  this is Google's version of like absent game centers like this is like that for [TS]

  podcasts you know it seems like this is designed by people who they they want to [TS]

  have podcasts in there but it just seems like at least at least the way they were [TS]

  talking about enrollment so far it again this could all be wrong when it launches [TS]

  we don't know but it does seem like this is a weird system designed by people who [TS]

  don't get and maybe don't respect podcast but we'll see what happens we'll [TS]

  see ya I think I could be wrong about their understanding I'm just not guess [TS]

  because I had imagined that like many things that go beyond reason this [TS]

  happening at all because somebody actually is really in the podcast in [TS]

  which they were part of a thing [TS]

  fact that it has to partner who will play that's the strategy tax you know [TS]

  it's like well you know percentage wise many more people listen to music and [TS]

  podcast we are to have this music thing I can't integrate that both audio yet so [TS]

  that's kind of a shame but I think there is some understanding of how people [TS]

  enjoy pi guess what is the reason that this project is seeing the light of day [TS]

  at all as just a matter of how you know how I welcome the integrated how can [TS]

  they take this thing that's most music streaming service and indirect podcast [TS]

  in a way that is actually very like Pakistan sure they're gonna try to but [TS]

  the same grace here may be exactly the same [TS]

  the saving grace of apple and Google's really interested in the play music [TS]

  thing [TS]

  podcast just a nice to have their never interested enough in it too [TS]

  ever attract a large enough percentage based i mean they weren't interested in [TS]

  RSS you there but Google Reader got big kind of like organically on its own and [TS]

  just slowly swallowed up everything and they but they've never really did have [TS]

  interesting and I like you know what forget it and they shut it down and so [TS]

  hopefully this will not grow organically like that at all it'll be there it's [TS]

  good that is there some people use it people complain that we're not just like [TS]

  some people complain that were not institute but hopefully it won't ever [TS]

  actually be a big deal because Google corporate is never like you know what [TS]

  the next multi-billion dollar thing is podcast like people are into podcasts is [TS]

  the next multi-million dollar industry but for a single company it's not like [TS]

  sign music seems much bigger than podcast at this point I think they'll [TS]

  probably always be the case I'm hoping that podcast will always be weird enough [TS]

  like you know like talk radio has always been you know narrowly focused enough [TS]

  even though it's also massively popular but in the grand scheme of things it's [TS]

  not as messy as popular as video games and movies and music right so yeah we'll [TS]

  see what happens I mean for publishers point of view you can act like you know [TS]

  what's the downside of putting yourself in here i dont short-term immediately I [TS]

  don't think the down-sizer very big you know yet kinda sucks that that they host [TS]

  the files it's probably gonna sound worse than your files you care about [TS]

  quality like I do who knows if it'll do things like strip chapter meditate out [TS]

  who knows but for the most part the downside seems limited to have to go [TS]

  somewhere else for stats and have these people who are showing in a in a less [TS]

  than ideal way but I think long-term the downside is that strategy problem of [TS]

  like do we really want to be encouraging and supporting a system that is trying [TS]

  to privatize and make pride Terry the currently open system of open web [TS]

  podcasting and to me the answer there is is pretty clear out really rather not do [TS]

  that but if this becomes so big that you have to do that then I i'm i'm gonna be [TS]

  happy about that I don't think it will become that but we'll find out [TS]

  I think that does it for tonight cool thanks 143 sponsors this week [TS]

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  Casey [TS]

  it was a remarkable [TS]

  Apple TV show here even though we talked about enough of the things better user [TS]

  up now [TS]

  oh yeah the embargo lifted like right at the start of the show right yeah I just [TS]

  saw the one from Mashable [TS]

  I want to thank those first ones on Twitter then I saw someone else and me [TS]

  the ball mossberg one from recode specifically the section of their view [TS]

  mossberg is typical old man understanding sorry well I'm kind [TS]

  characterizations anyway he says their mocha now control the volume of your TV [TS]

  with no setup in most cases and with an obscure setting on some newer TVs it can [TS]

  even turn them on and often change to the right input you know that's the HDMI [TS]

  CEC then we talked about last night next in parentheses this letter benefit [TS]

  worked for me for a day or two then stopped working nicely we have lots of [TS]

  CEC unicorns that he can talk to the road into a Mossberg you know it almost [TS]

  worked for a day or two then stop then sure while the spending a lot of time [TS]

  figure out why its top position as always is to disable see everywhere [TS]