152: Daddy Didn't Want the Good Graphics Card
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I'm sorry everyone follow up so I feel
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like we should start tonight's
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programming with the tale of woe
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i'll start by saying I bought a computer
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oh I bought a 5k imac well okay so first
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of all congratulations
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well yeah maybe not so it's a hand on
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heart John and Marco did not know that
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this happened I've been keeping this a
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secret from them so i could spring it to
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spring it on the show I bought a 5k imac
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is in your possession yet or did you
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oh it's here it's in my trunk you done
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packing yet although i did this is my
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tail well does it fit in your trunk and
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leave 3 series i'll stop it that's how i
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have i bought this 5k imac I don't like
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a week ago and i watched it march across
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the United States be a fedex ground
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which was infuriating
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I mean I'd I did it to myself because i
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didn't pay for like the super fast
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shipping but it was so I'm not a patient
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man and it was infuriating watching
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march across the US but anyway it
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arrived yesterday and I booted it i set
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it up by moved files from making my
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personal computer with my beloved yet
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very old circuit 2011 hi-res antiglare
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15-inch macbook pro i moved files from
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my work computer
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my my retina macbook pro 15-inch retina
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macbook pro I got everything set up i
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put all the software i wanted on it at
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least at a glance anyway everything
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seemed ok i then performed a software
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update i let the software update go i
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walked away from computer i came back to
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the computer it seemed like everything
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had hung after like 20 minutes something
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like that which was well under the are
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well over the time it is estimated to
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take the software update to run there's
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nothing on the screen the backlight was
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on the computer had not to my knowledge
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rebooted everything was just there there
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i should say nothing was there actually
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so I powered the Machine off which to be
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clear may have been the fatal mistake
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we'll come back to that power the
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machine off I've heard it back on
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the chime sounds that's it back lights
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on the time sounds nothing else
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ok turn the computer back off after
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having let it sit for a while
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turn it back on the chime sounds and
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hmm this is not good ok let's go through
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the steps p.m. reset no good
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smc reset no-good make a USB boot disk
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no-good mesh down on the D key to try to
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get the Diagnostics no good recovery no
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good internet recovery no good
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it's in the trunk i have a genius bar
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appointment tomorrow although i may just
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end up returning and buying a different
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one because it's already completely host
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i have no idea what I did it might have
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I'm not saying it wasn't me i'm not
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looking for the internet to tell me what
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it was with respect to the internet it
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will be figured out tomorrow i have
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engaged to X Apple geniuses i have
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engaged a friend of the show
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nobody could tell me it a good answers
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to what I could do to resuscitate it i
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think something just genuinely broke
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during the problem where there any like
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USB or other kind of devices connected
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to it that you could have unplugged did
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you try plugging them
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oh yes so I had I had my microphone
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installed because i was all smug and
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happy because the way this but this
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episode was supposed to go was I was
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supposed to say to you guess what guys I
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am now talking to you on my 5k imac the
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way this episode is actually going is
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guess what guys I actually have to
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either return or get this thing repaired
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tomorrow which is exactly what i'm going
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to do i'm not sure what i'm going to do
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yet i'm very sad i did try target disk
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mode as somebody is asking the chat
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target disk mode i have tried everything
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in my repertoire and everything that 2x
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geniuses and a friend that works at
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apple has asked me to try
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none of it has worked i'm very sad but i
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will tell you in the two or three hours
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that it was working it was a magnificent
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computer and I cannot wait to hopefully
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get one that works by medics we
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yeah so I'm very sad it's a sad sad day
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for me it's kinda like my grandfather
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were complaining that modern cars
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actually specifically i was modern car
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engine Bay's don't have any place for
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you to get your hands down in them you
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know like is everything is all packed
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together really tightly and then you
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complain about the plastic shroud is
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covering everything up and complaining
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about how hard it is to replace things
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like that are filters and they don't
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have carburetors anyway but they related
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complaint to your 5k imac is like back
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in back in the days of my most feverish
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trying to diagnose problems one of the
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things that I would do in this situation
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I almost adjusted until I realized it's
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pointless is to try to figure out what
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the hell's going on like hear the chime
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it passes the post-test right and then
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what happens like are you really cannot
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find the discs are you getting into the
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boot process and the way you usually
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tell that is you could hear whether it
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had started accessing the hard drive and
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you knew by the series of ticks and
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sounds is it is it looking for a boot
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sector is it just power cycling discs on
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and offers that actually beginning the
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boot process which has a distinctive
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sound to it or in the old days with the
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floppy drive you could tell what the
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computer was doing and at what point
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things went wrong but with an SSD and
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nothing on the screen and definitely no
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indicator lights or anything like that
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you know hardware indicator lights for
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you have no idea what's going on it they
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post so there's no image on the screen
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has it begun the boot process cannot
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find the hard drive
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if you mean if we can find the harder
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you have the the blinking ? like it but
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it did pass posters i think that the
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time only sounds after it does the whole
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you know that the posters power-on
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self-test like the whole you if you have
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like bad ram or whatever you get one of
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the the bad chimes or something like
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that so right like almost all my whole
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diagnostic tools are useless for these
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computers that don't make any noise
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except the stupid fan is the fan going
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there we go we can ask that is passed
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yes it was as far as like it does it
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crank up the full speed if you let it
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no it does not actually let it sit
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overnight just to be extra specially
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sure that that was that it wasn't just
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me being impatient
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did you spill water into it i did not
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thank you for asking but i haven't read
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this important to it to establish that
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where I mean are there any openings the
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face upwards there in the back means
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that you can get water
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there's always the bottom left behind my
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god that's me that there are no openings
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that face upwards i can find is not
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doesn't like a slip on top part I don't
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see why I didn't think so so yeah so
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it's sitting in my trunk to be honest
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with you I'll probably just return it
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and probably just order a new one
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because i feel like it's already tainted
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I'm still hoping actually hoping you're
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thinking you're suspecting like this is
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actually a soft like it's not a hardware
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problem is a software problem did you
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know you said you tried a million things
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the only other one that you didn't
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mention that you think other ball two
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things like that 1i assuming since you
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and he started all these experts you
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made sure that they all had the most
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recent up-to-date knowledge about the
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keys that you have to match because
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those have changed over the past couple
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of years and a lot of people might give
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you advice to hold down key combinations
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that are no longer the correct one to
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the same operations but something that's
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handled that one hurt didn't hear you
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mentioned is Bruce Bruce are both
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putting mode i believe its command V you
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should look it up the one that spews you
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know the unix console text to your
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screen during the boot process sometimes
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that's a good way to find out at one
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point things go off the rails during the
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boot process assuming the boot process
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even began the I did not try that
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however i did not mention that I also
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phoned applecare at like they're not
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going to help you
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well my thought was let me give them a
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shot see what they could figure out I
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and i started the conversation slightly
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well mildly passive-aggressively and i
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said here's what i've tried p.m. recent
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smc recent blah-blah-blah-blah-blah to
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try to establish we really don't need to
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go through all of this again if you
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please have you tried blowing the dust
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out of the plug but if the smc reset
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apparently on the East max is to unplug
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it wait 15 seconds and plug it back in
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or something along those lines in any
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case I tried everything you had a try i
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tried everything that the applecare
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person till told me to do so in all
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likelihood i will just return it
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tomorrow I've not you cancel my genius
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to put appointment we will see what
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happens i cannot stress enough internet
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that by the time you hear this episode
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if this will already be resolved one way
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well it'll be in the process of he's not
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well it'll be in the process of being
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resolved please internet I appreciate
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your feedback but it is too late by the
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time you've heard this he is the fast
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bring for advisement if i order a new
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I will absolutely spring for the fast
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shipping because now i'm really really
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sad that my literally i use the thing
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let's see it was seven o'clock because
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after Declan went to bed that I booted
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it and started transferring everything
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and at ten o'clock or thereabouts-- was
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when i was calling applecare so i used
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it for three hours
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I feel so bad for you for this because
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well in that let's not forget this is
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the first desktop bought in easily a
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decade yeah and we will definitely
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interrogate you about why you chose to
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do this and why you did it now and and
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etcetera because i really want to know
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all these things but first of all I do
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want to express my sincere condolences
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because like I i hate it like if you cut
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it it's so puts a damper on like you
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know a big purchase of a thing you're
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really excited about that you hardly
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ever get to buy and all the end like it
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comes and it has some problem that you
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have to deal with that sucks it puts
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such a damper on the whole thing
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yeah it really does and you know what I
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thought about those so yesterday
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obviously I was much more angry and
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pissed off than I am now yet but
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yesterday i was thinking about it and I
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thought what if for the sake of
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this was my very first mac like that's a
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terrible experience now admittedly this
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is this is definitely a fluke
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this is this is weird this is not
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something that normally happens to my
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recollection in my eight years of owning
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max I think that's ready to eat issues
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of only max I have never had a software
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update fail so I to be clear this is a
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fluke it's just it's weird but damn if
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it isn't frustrating and all my goodness
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if I was if this was my first mac i
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would go I would go running back to Del
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now I'm not an idiot
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so I'm not going to do that my crazy
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here no i agree i agree but i'm just
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saying like if this was imagine if your
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first experience with this you know it
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was like you know 32 3032 hundred-dollar
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computer it imagine your first
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experiences all it works for three hours
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and then it's dead all of it it doesn't
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really matter like that experience
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doesn't really matter unless it must
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some kind of epidemic which i'm assuming
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it isn't right but I every every every
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company has like the DOA things all that
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matters is what happens after that's all
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that that's what that's what you know i
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mean like for dell the reason to
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galleries a lot of people like
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all in the enterprise anyway is that
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when something happens when someone
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drops a dell laptop on something breaks
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or whatever you can have new hardware in
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your hands in a shockingly small amount
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of time and so it's not let you know
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that things are gonna happen you're
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gonna get out you gonna buy 50 dell
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laptops and one of them is going to be
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DOA that's not the thing that annoys you
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would annoy you for example here we're
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going to apple if you had to wait a week
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to get the new one it doesn't know you
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if the next morning when you come into
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work somebody from dell is there with
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the box and says give me your old one
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here's your new one later and you're
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that was easy and so for apple like the
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thing that counts is how good was your
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applecare phone experience which in my
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experience is not that great how when
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you go to the Genius Bar how's that
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experience going to be and how you know
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how much faster they give you how
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sympathetic are they this matters to how
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sympathetic is the person to your
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frustration about getting a do a
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computer which is basically how its set
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categorize this is assuming there's a
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hardware thing it's not like the
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software update brokers just you know
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the hardware problem with this machine
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which is DOA and it's best to find out
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it's all about how it's handled after
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the fact that my 152 Apple stories about
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this thing of that told the other one
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I'm past broadcast when I got my ac30
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the power supply made a high pitch noise
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that only people under thirty could hear
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how do you remember this yeah and that
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was my most disappointing one because
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because I was a kid and when your kid or
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like when your kid at heart like Casey
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you get your hopes up this exciting new
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shiny computer and it comes and you're
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sad right so that was that was the most
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crushing one and the other one which I
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may have mentioned the passes when this
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is the pizza box powerpc performer
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actually performing 61 something CD got
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that for Christmas and offers a family
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computer but whatever it's mine and the
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lights came on the screen so i got that
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connector with a slight difference in
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my other ones wouldn't work with it so
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Christmas you said to apple had a new
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monitor on our front doorstep the
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morning after Christmas
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that's pretty impressive that yeah so as
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it not only do they not wait for us to
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ship it back or you know ship it to us
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and get here is that was like you're sad
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on christmas day you go to sleep you
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wake up the next morning the monitors on
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your doorstep and so that was pretty
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yeah i'm i'm curious to see how this
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works out but you're absolutely right
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that it it's all about how how
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sympathetic people are and how people
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react to it and I think it will be fine
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it all it all work itself out but I'm it
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man what a bummer what a serious bummer
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and how much hassle it is like that you
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have to convince anyone of anything is
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there a lot of paperwork to fill out how
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long does it take for you to have the
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situation remedied to your satisfaction
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like you can make a big difference even
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if even if like you got it fixed the
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next day but to do that you have to like
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argue with someone on the phone that's a
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terrible experience but right if you go
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through it and someone is sympathetic
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and just just you know it seems like
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yep that's it you'll have a new computer
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on Dax you're like oh that was easy and
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you come away from that experience if
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everything has gone well actually liking
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the brand more than you would have if
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you had just gotten the thing and it
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worked out of the box with yeah totally
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that the perverse way the human nature
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works the worst of the worst one though
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the one you can't recover from luckily
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were all out of this phase is like when
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i got my obscenely expensive Apple 22
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it and I tried to look for them but i
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can see that you know about that because
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I knew going in with the policy was the
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policy is it is an X number of pixels
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know this our part or whatever sorry
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luck of the draw you got unlucky and you
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know i guess i suppose i could have
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returned it and tried again and returned
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it and try to get her in here and didn't
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try it again but I was just not up for
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that you know yesterday I was really
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not even just angry i was i was
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genuinely upset but today with a little
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bit of clarity and how whole i can see
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that this is like the most first world
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first world problems that my shiny new
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computer didn't work immediately
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oh well like get over yourself but
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man it it did bum me out a little bit
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i'm you paid good money for that thing
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don't you know don't diminish this
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yeah so hopefully will rectify itself we
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don't we don't need to talk about this
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anymore if if you guys don't have
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anything to say we can move on to follow
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up if you have any other questions I'm
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happy to feel them
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I have so many questions but first can
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color photo prints print directly on
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glass fracture prints are beautiful your
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photos printed on these then flat light
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pieces of glass and that their visits
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very like modern minimal presentation
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it's just literally your photos
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edge-to-edge printed on this piece of
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it's very thin very lightweight so you
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don't have to worry about it like
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crashing down off the wall are being
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hard to hang or hard to install or
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anything like that are breaking and
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chipping all sorts of worries you might
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have about getting a giant photo print
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on glass that I all those words have
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always been alleviated for me with
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fracture but these prints look great and
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they really want you to get your print
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kinda you know out of the Instagram feed
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out of the facebook galleries and
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everything like get photos that are
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great printed because once you put him
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in like a social feel that that was like
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a week passes those are gone you never
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see them again like it really helps to
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enjoy your photos to have them printed
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out they also make fantastic gifts for
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other people in your life who want to
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enjoy your photos like family members
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like it especially like if you have kids
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or anything you want to like send a
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picture your kids to their grandparents
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there are so many great uses for
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fracture gifts photos for yourself
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yeah and just to double down on that
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real quick just this past week when i
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was in a happier mood uh yeah actually
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made a like six item fracture order
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because i have plenty of fractures
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around the house and we're actually
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gonna start distributing them as gifts
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and so we bought a bunch for gifts
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including one for our for our own house
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they really are fantastic and i tell you
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what i have them i paid for them in the
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past by paid for them just this week and
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you really should try it out so check
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them out go to fracture me.com and use
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my question was about I know you're not
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gonna mess with it yourself but uh ram
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the wiggles loose as the thing took its
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bumpy little journey across the entire
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I it's funny you say that I receded the
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ram just to be safe
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no difference I'll see I would've said
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the same thing is to not try to do that
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because i don't know like you peed on
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the carpet and like a ditz i would i
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would be like look I just can't I
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haven't touched a thing that came out of
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the box i've been using it like use a
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computer by pressing buttons on the
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keyboard and mouse or trackpad and now
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it's Friday like all you opened it up
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well but you're supposed to be a little
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bit up by you know so I just most
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paranoid with apples i would not have
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even tried that I would have just
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brought inside of the Rams unseated it's
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not my problem in touch fair fair Point
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and actually that brings up a really
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interesting point let me tell you how I
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know i'm old i was extremely and remain
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actually extremely skeptical that me
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doing like command are for recovery I
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believe that's right i was looking at
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the documents when i was when i was
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doing these keystrokes if I get them
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wrong now I apologize but I command our
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option command or whatever it is for
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internet recovery and d4 diagnostics all
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these things that was mashing i
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initially was doing that on the new
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bluetooth keyboard that came with it
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which by the way i like quite a bit i
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really like it a lot a lot this is the
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new like semi skinny one right that's
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correct but anyway so I'm doing all of
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this and I'm doing it on a Bluetooth
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keyboard and the old man in me is so
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damn skeptical that this keyboard is
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even connected to the computer that i
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first plugged it in with the lightning
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cable then I decided no I'm not even
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convinced that's good enough and i have
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a hundred one key apple keyboard that i
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got from god-knows-where that's USB i
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plug that in and did all these keys
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looks again just to be safe but it's it
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weirded me out to be relying on wireless
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devices in order to try to kick off
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these extremely low-level like boot
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sequences I don't just mean that's me
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being old and weird i suppose
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anyway any other questions for sure we
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do some follow-up why did you get this
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computer right so I knew it was time to
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get a different computer i hadn't bought
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a computer since my i already mentioned
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2011 hi-res entire back pro that thing
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sits on my desk constantly that's all it
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does is sit on the desk and even though
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I've been a laptop guy for easily a
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decade and change in fact i think i made
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the switch during school so somewhere in
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the early 2000s was when I really became
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a laptop kind of guy and i thought to
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myself i will have a work laptop as we
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discussed quite a bit of heat that
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several episodes back I'll have a work
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laptop and it occurred to me just
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yesterday that i have my high resident
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eclair you know macbook pro that I could
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put an SSD and like we were just talking
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about so i will still have a laptop and
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even in a real pinch I can take errands
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a scuba-diving macbook her and use that
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if I really wanted to use a laptop
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beyond that as I've also talked about on
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the show Aaron got me a brand new ipad
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mini for Christmas and for a lot of
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things especially when mated to a
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bluetooth keyboard that's probably
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sufficient so say I wanted to write a
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blog post downstairs while I'm sitting
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next to her on the couch
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I could use my iPad I could use her
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laptop I could use my old laptop I could
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use my work laptop so if i have like 80
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for portable devices rolling around the
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do I really need another but i have a
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couple of things that I really want
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running all the time like plex for
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example why not have that running on a
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desktop rather than running on my yet my
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laptop and so it seems to me like I'm
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running out of good reasons to have a
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laptop and so if I'm gonna get a desktop
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and damned if I don't lust after these
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like apple cinema displays that are all
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over the place on the client that i'm
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working at which we talked about in the
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one just bite the bullet and get a damn
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imac and that's what I did and I tell
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you what it's weird only having one
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monitor because at home
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not right now actually because I put it
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away but at home I typically have two
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monitors at work I always have two
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monitors it's weird only having one
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monitor those you can have to donate
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yeah I know you thank you thank you oh
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my god thank you i know you can have to
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write but when it's a 27-inch screen
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you really told needed it's really ok
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and all my god is that screen beautiful
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did you guys know that screen is really
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pretty I feel like we should talk about
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this in the past or something but Marco
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has the worst one but I have the same
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one as you know it if only somebody
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would have told you about a month ago
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but all the benefits of death yes yes
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so eventually i thought you know it's
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all kidding aside I thought you know let
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me just try this test something because
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you know what it's a lot of fun time no
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question full stop it's a lot of money
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I what I got was under apologize i said
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this already but I got a
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middle-of-the-road 1i I got it with
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eight gigs of ram because i was planning
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on putting some aftermarket ram in it
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did you get cpu I got the four 4
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gigahertz CPU yes and I got the one
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terabyte SSD so basically a fairly
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loaded middle-of-the-road i'm at 5k imac
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because i didn't see the need for a
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really fancy graphics card because I
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don't ever play games so I i loved the
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machine for the three hours to use that
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benefited i and i'm really looking
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forward to sticking with it i really
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think this is probably going to be the
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right answer for me ask me again in a
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few months obviously and i say that both
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sarcastically and seriously because I'm
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curious to see if I miss it
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who works here yeah if it works but i'm
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i'm really thinking that that this was
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probably the right answer especially if
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I start doing a little more iOS
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development which I'm i'm hoping to be
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that's a pretty good way to do it and i
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will say that after having used this
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27-inch 5k imac fourth two-and-a-half to
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three hours as i was going to
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troubleshoot I got out my work 15 inch
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retina macbook pro and hand on heart the
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first thing i thought to myself was holy
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God the screen is tiny and is never
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thought that 15 inch laptop ever before
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yes so two things you you're not ruined
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our first of all the screen quality of
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the 5k is still way better even the 1i
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have that that has the worst color gamut
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it is the the screen on the 5k is way
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better than the screen on any of the
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laptops including the newest 15 will see
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that changes when they go to sky like a
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moon a few months or whatever but as of
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the imax screen is by far the nicest
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screen apple sells in my eye maybe ipad
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pro I haven't looked too much added but
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like I thought the ipad mini was
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actually the best of the portables at me
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maybe you know for like certain metrics
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I you know I i know the test you're
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talking about but I like among max I
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think the 5k imac is just far away far
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ahead of the other ones because just I
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mean everything about it like that the
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color the contrast like the the pixel
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density I don't know a bunch of stuff i
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understand it just looks great and once
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you're accustomed to looking at a 5k
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when you look at the retina macbook pro
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you you can tell them they're in a macro
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screen almost seems blurry by comparison
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like its it is a very different look and
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it looks fantastic on the 5k and so
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first of all you are now ruined so yes
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you can go ahead and plug in additional
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monitors to it but you won't want to
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because anything else you plug into it
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look like garbage and apple is no is not
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yet shipping a standalone version of
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this monitor i hope they do in the
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future and for people to do what
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multi-monitor or who don't have a laptop
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don't have a 5k but having a laptop or
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something but for now this is the best
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green apple sells the only way you can
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get it is inside the 5ki and nothing
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nothing else matches it and even having
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a laptop next to it is is just no kinda
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so a you ruin screen quality and B
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you're definitely on screen size you
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know now and this is how i feel about
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how it felt for years ever since i got a
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giant monitor like this I i can do work
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on my 15-inch macbook pro and i have and
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i need to usually a few times a year i
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need to do something really heavy on the
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map program glad I have it but every
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time i do work on the map or i'm tempted
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to work the macbook pro and I
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can work on the desktop like either
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either it's just on the outside of the
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house or I'll be back to back home in a
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couple days and i can do it then i will
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just put off work until I can do it on
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the big screen because i know that i
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will wait happier and more productive
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doing on the big screen so like you will
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probably follow a similar path variable
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people really well I could work on this
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laptop but screen is so cramped but it's
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might as well just wait till I can go
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upstairs and do it on the imac yeah yeah
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we'll say I am I am genuinely a little
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i'm going to use the word worried
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because I can't think of a better word
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but i'm a little worried about what this
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means for my home life and for my
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relationship with aaron because I I
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don't often sit with a laptop downstairs
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next errand but i wouldn't say it's
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uncommon either and now if I want to use
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my computer I'm gonna have to be
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upstairs in one of our bedrooms which
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you know is always my in-home office and
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that's what I'm saying right now to
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record and so I don't want to ignore
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Aaron on a regular basis
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just because I want to be upstairs in my
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fancy new imac but we'll see what
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happens i mean if that's the most of my
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problems I'm in pretty damn good shape
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our nice so we'll see but I i don't mean
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this to be snarky I mean I genuinely and
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then the two and a half three hours
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I'm i would I use the thing I really
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really really loved it i really did and
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admittedly some of that was a shiny but
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it was fast it worked well I was
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transferring things from both laptops to
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the to the to the imac a God knows
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what's gonna happen with that data if I
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return it but anyway uh I was
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transferring stuff to the imac at at
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ridiculous speeds i was doing like 18
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things at once i'm a really heavy user
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of what is its paces the multiple
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virtual screens and it's all wrapped
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into Mission Control now but i barely
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use them on this imac because god help
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me I have like 10 different windows open
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at once shut up John I'd like 10
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different winter so but it wants which
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is like eight more that i usually have I
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don't know maybe I just have a simple
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I think you're not the only one with
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spaces i see with all these youngsters
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we have many more max at work now we
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have many more youngsters at work and
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ever ever it's very easy and multiple
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monitors at work so that the domain like
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the wave young people and generalizing
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the way the young people i see at my
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work these days you write exactly use
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their max is that multiple monitors they
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like lots of monitors like the more the
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better one guy like six with wrinkles
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and they full screen everything and they
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attempt to use spaces in Mission Control
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to cycle through things like I'll be
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sitting there and watching somebody do
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something that they're there they'll be
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demonstrating something they'll have to
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have a text editor full screen on one
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17-inch monitor and another text editor
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web browser for another 17-inch monitor
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and sometimes would be like well go to
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this web page go to the source file go
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to this go do that go to the terminal
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window all these things would fit like
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117 screen at the person who like use
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windows windows down because really
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terminal terminal filling an entire
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letterbox format 17 inch screen is
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ridiculous right but instead it's like
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where's that window again where that
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window lots of gestures and keyboard
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combinations to you know go through
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spaces with the control arrow keys and
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gestures to swipe from one to the other
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to try to make the thing they're looking
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for appear on one of the two screens and
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I can't see what's in front of behind
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they just have to like and they don't
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seem to have an awareness there's no
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like like it used to be where spaces
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were 2d instead of just like a 1d strip
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remember the 2d spaces things we go up
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down left and right at least ever
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fighting chance instead what I see it is
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two screens that the icy hands moving
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furiously I see two screens blink blink
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blink blink blink blink blink
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all I found it there and then we'll go
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back to the thing okay blink blink blink
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blink blink blink blink found this like
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this is this does not seem efficient so
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yeah anyway people like a movie should
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we should know this from the from
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Windows Windows taught us that people
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like to maximize everything and the mac
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users like well max used on maximizing
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everything well guess what
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now that Max are more common the people
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who maximize everything have max and
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they try to work the same way so don't
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do that Casey it's a waste of your
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screen space but i don't typically
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maximize everything but what I typically
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do is have spaces kind of Orient like
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well as an example the probably the the
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best example is I have one space that
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has my work I am the relay slack and I
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messages in three tiles on that space
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they take up the whole screen so though
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the left half the screen is work i am
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this is on like a work computer of
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course left half the screen is work i am
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and then the right half the screen is
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split in half so the top half is real a
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slack and the bottom half is I messages
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and that's actually what's going on
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right now so that's just a simple
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example and I like spaces it's not for
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everyone but like i said when i was
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using this imac i found that that I
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could just tile damn near everything
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into one space which is a weird thing
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for me but but my love of spaces is also
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the reason that I feel like I can't use
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any other mouse other than the magic
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mouse because i'm addicted to the
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two-finger swipe I understand that
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Mike's beloved MX revolution or whatever
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it is has configurations in which you
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can swap spaces with buttons and whatnot
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but but for me I've always use the magic
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mouse i love it plus the mass crippled
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him so then that Mouse also crippled him
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minor details right no big deal right so
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anyway so yes I in my brief usage and
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again I know I sound snarky but I'm not
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trying to be in my very brief usage of
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this machine I actually really really
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really liked it and if I return it
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tomorrow if I get it repaired tomorrow
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one way or the other i am looking
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forward to having some
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honest-to-goodness time with it but it
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was fast it was it was nice it was
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pretty the screen was beautiful i really
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enjoy the new peripheral peripherals the
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under the new magic mouse seemed roughly
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the same to me I couldn't tell any major
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differences like I understand what the
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differences are but just from feel and
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whatnot I couldn't really tell the
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differences the new keyboard though I
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really really liked a lot I feel like
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every single Apple keyboard in the house
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i have the 2011 macbook pro I of the
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2013-2015 macbook pro i have the hundred
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one keyboard i have a4 battery bluetooth
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keyboard i have errands macbook air
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every single one of those keyboards I
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swear to you feels just a little bit
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different but i really liked the new the
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new bluetooth one I've what is it the
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magic keyboard or something i always get
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the names wrong anyway the whatever the
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brand new one is I really liked it a lot
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so so the hardware accepting the fact
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that it died with this waterfall and and
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I you know it too quick personal
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anecdote my office is a disaster
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the the one in my house is a disaster
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you could barely see the carpet and
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there was like a path between the door
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and the chair and that was about it and
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in preparation for this thing it was as
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it was marching across the country
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I finally did what aaron has been
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begging me to do for like two years now
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and I cleaned up my office and my desk
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was all clean i have a glass desk
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because I've had it forever but I guess
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I'm that kind of loser and so I have
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this glass desk is all cleaned off i
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moved my mic from one side of the desk
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to the other with your podcasters like a
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really big deal and I was all ready to
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go with it was going to be great and now
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it's in my trunk to get prepared to
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that's sucks yeah i'm very sad because I
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really do feel so bad for you because i
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like i like i just as i said earlier
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like the idea of like you know having
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like you know thought about it and saved
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up and finally ordered and track and
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receive this thing only to have it then
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just be broken like it just it's such a
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damper on which should be like the
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exciting time that you finally got you
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know you you paid for you waited
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patiently got it and like I said I as
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silly as it is one of the things I was
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most excited for what's to say to you
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get was to say to the two of you guess
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what writing talking you're my new hat
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like I said I went out when i was doing
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all of this installation i had already
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had my mic connected because there's no
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and then nevermind that time so anyway
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we've talked about this far too long we
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should probably do some follow-up
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especially since we have a fair bit of
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it but I appreciate you indulging me and
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next week we will have some amount to
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follow up either i returned it or maybe
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I gotta repaired we'll see what happens
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but i wont will follow back up next week
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before you move on do you want to
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preemptively apologize to Declan for his
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bed minecraft 2.3 frame rates
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haha well given that he's what 14 and a
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half months now I'm not too worried
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about I said minecraft 2.3 by the time
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he reaches minecraft age you'll still
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have that computer he'll be using it and
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the new version of Minecraft will
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probably not get great frame rates and
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they'll ask why and then you'll have to
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explain to him daddy didn't want the
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good graphics card if you do you really
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think that good graphics card make a
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difference when he's playing a game on a
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seven-year-old computer i think it will
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because minecraft like I assume there
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will be no minecraft to who knows at
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that point in his life but minecraft
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does can be surprisingly demanding if
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you crank everything up to max on my 5k
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iMac which was the best video card that
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you can get in that particular machine
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you can make it chug occasionally like
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it can happen you know obviously he's
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not going to have the graphic settings
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max but I think even its standard
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graphics settings with a reasonable draw
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distance by the time he is of age and
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minecraft has evolved to have slightly
[TS]
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fancier graphics perhaps it's not gonna
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be a great frame rates then it's
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someone's going to answer for that and
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well I guess I'll explain to if you
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don't want to because it's not like
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you're gonna get rid of that beautiful
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screen that you're going to use that
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thing for as the like it'll be a viable
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computer for a really long time except
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maybe for Minecraft okay first of all I
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need to teach you guys about selling
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computers while they're still worth
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second of all second of all I love John
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that you that you assume there might not
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be a minecraft to I know Microsoft Bob
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Dom I understand it's a billion-dollar
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business there will definitely be a
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minecraft to it might not be good and it
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might not be for a while but there will
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definitely be a minecraft snow it's
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already on the app store to just an ok
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right now I mean like for this way if
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not still owned it i mean there were
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additional should have already been a
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minecraft to intrude but there wasn't
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because the the company and the person
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who owned it just continued to revise
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the program and continue to sell you
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know the original program now the micro
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zones that you're right there will
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surely be a minecraft at some point but
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i'm not quite sure when that will be
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could be borderline
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they and I don't know what kind of
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priority this for them to get my
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together minecraft to out versus just
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revising and continue to sell minecraft
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and every single new platforms because
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they are selling same game over and over
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again with selling ps4 the cell wall no
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less so now but now this element xbox
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one they'll saw the pc version probably
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so windows phone version you know the
[TS]
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salt keeps on the iOS version so i don't
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know for their there's a burning need to
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make a minecraft to before Declan
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reaches that age people say we respond
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to this week by blue apron helping you
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cook better at home to a blue apron calm
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/ ATP to be your first two meals for
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look you need to know how to cook not
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only should you know your way around the
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kitchen but cooking at home it's eating
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healthier and saving money instead of
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ordering expensive unhealthy takeout
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every night but where do you start blue
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apron has you covered for less than ten
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dollars per meal they deliver all the
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fresh ingredients you need to create
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home-cooked meals just follow the easy
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step-by-step instructions they give you
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for each recipe with pictures of every
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step right on the recipe cards so you
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can see exactly what's supposed to look
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like it comes exactly the ingredients
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you need there's no like massive amount
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of extra like summer but you need to
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throw away in a week when it goes when
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it was rotten and regardless of your
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dietary preferences they have lots of
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options they make it a breeze to
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sauce with fresh mozzarella and arugula
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orange salad that's all that's a
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chicken sandwiches with endive and blue
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cheese salad also cook with ingredients
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like this week's poblano chili or baby
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bok choy or pearl onions now all these
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recipes are between 500 and 700 calories
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blue apron a better way to cook i am
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man that was good yet you know it's
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funny you bring that up so as part of
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blue apron sponsoring us they gave us a
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butcher this korean t och and spicy pork
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ragout and this was one of those things
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brunette blue apron so far and I think
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it's a pretty much done deal that Aaron
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heard anything like that before and the
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of the everybody into like blue apron
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hacks I don't know if this thing that
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people do so say you sign up look blue
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reasons I think you should do it even if
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you just do it for a short time is just
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to see you try a bunch of different
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foods or whatever and they give you like
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the given credence and they also give
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you like a no its you isn't always one
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page market now like a one-page thing on
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how to cook it that I've never seen it
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be more than one pic it's always but
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it's always one sheet of paper with
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about eight steps in the back right and
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it has the ingredients on the other side
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big picture and a list of ingredients
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and the back of it has like like a two
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column grid of instructions with photos
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of each step right so when you're done
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with Ricky instead you decided not to
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pay for it anymore
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you still have all those recipes so if
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you liked one of them in theory you
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ingredients yourself me not going to get
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the perfect little portions the blue
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amount that maybe you have leftovers and
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maybe you will have that
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damn you know urban and the refrigerator
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but you can make these again yourself
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like there's no reason like if you find
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one that super favorite just add it to
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your collection of things that you
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regularly make for yourself
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yeah we've only been with blueprints for
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only six months now we've been a bit was
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long before they were sponsored we've
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yeah yeah yeah and it brought the
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problem i had i try want to make the
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awesome i think it's like chicken costly
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the name of it is but is this awesome
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chicken thai soup and I tried to go buy
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the ingredients for last week and just
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like my store had almost none of them
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but the lights i will be using it a long
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time and that that should tell you need
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to know I mean we keep using it what I
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like about it at this is way too long to
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respond to read but I'm sorry what I
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like about it is that with the reason we
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have to think about like what are we
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making this week and then plan huge like
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to do that and every six months we will
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try to do that again and we will just
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fail so soon afterwards they take all
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the decision-making advocates for it
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which is really nice when when you just
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don't want to have to make all of these
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decisions about what are we having every
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single night you know so it's really
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nice for that chatroom says the recipes
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are actually available online for free
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blue apron calm / cookbook and also
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their logo looks like totoro so there
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what market you're a spot right so all
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right so we should we we should do some
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follow-up and we have a fair bit so
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let's buckle up kids let's start with we
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talked about flex a little bit last
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episode in or maybe the episode 4 but
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regardless we got a lot of people
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writing in to ask have you tried infused
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for the apple TV and we'll have a link
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in the show notes the idea within infuse
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is that it's somewhat plex like in that
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it will autodiscover metadata about your
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your media collection so it will show
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you your list of movies with with movie
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posters and things of that nature but
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the real the real kick in the real the
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party trick that infuse has from what
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I've gathered is that it will actually
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do the transcoding on your device so
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really there's no
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there's no reason that you couldn't just
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sit a bunch of files on an undermanned
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on a underpowered synology and let
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infuse just look at it and then do the
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transcoding right on the appletv that is
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excellent and it sounds great i haven't
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tried it yet but it does sound good
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the problem I have with this though is
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that it doesn't solve a couple of the
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other problems that that I that flex
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does pics which is number one it doesn't
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give you external access to your media
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so one of the greatest pieces of plex is
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that you can get to your media from
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outside of your home if you set it up
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properly and secondly you can't share
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other people's libraries so like Marco
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and John and I we've all shared our
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libraries with each other so that Marco
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for example could stream one of the
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movies that i have been doing it all
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week him from my house to his house
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we've been watching through your top
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gear well right in the reason that
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hasn't worked for the last 24 hours is
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because I moved all my plex stuff to the
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imac that's now my trunk but anyway so
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yeah so it doesn't do that it doesn't do
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external access and doesn't sharing yeah
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I tried to infuse as soon as people
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suggested because i'll jump on top of
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anything like as soon as we talked about
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i don't know i was like many many shows
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are great if used by I immediately
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bought the ten-dollar like pro version
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whatever yes sure go come right now i'll
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give it a dry side on seeing you know
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because I got two recommendations from
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it from random strangers but the reason
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the whole reason i wanted it i'm trying
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to support the app economy the whole
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reason you're the one i had this file
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that i was trying to play that I had to
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eventually end up using my eyes when I
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use my imac is the flexor for because
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the imac is no problem transcoding it
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the Plex served from the imac to my
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appletv was the only thing that played
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this thing with all you know but played
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at all period but played smoothly and
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everything so i tried to use I mean look
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at those and that exact file which turns
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out is this is the info from mplayer so
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hevc which i think is h.264 particular
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profile 1920 x 1080 so 1080i don't know
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what I or pse misspeak it's a video file
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24 frames per second about 1,100
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kilobits per second to track 48
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kilohertz AAC audio
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the appletv can't play without
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stuttering so it's it's it's the it's in
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decoding on the device
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you can't handle this so i was sad
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because that was the one reason i bought
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it but aside from that it's a reasonable
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like wait like it Casey said if you have
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a whole bunch of folders full of video
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files sitting somewhere in your network
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this will go through the folders and
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play stuff for you and so I'm not sad
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that I partners that I am said that
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apparently their software combined with
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the wimpy eight relatively 28 cpu
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system-on-a-chip thing inside my appletv
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can't play this fairly demanding file
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and i already watched also i watch it on
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my iPad by the way what I did was I
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wanted to plex and finally I finally had
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to give in and say fine flex you can
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optimize this Court optimize it by Kyrie
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including into a smaller size and then I
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watched it on my TV and on my iPad over
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the course of a few days is that you
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said this was hevc video because that's
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h.265 that's kind of a big deal
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that's like that's it's very reasonable
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to not be strong enough to play that
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well that's probably doesn't have it
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doesn't have the hardware i was remember
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reading about some apple thing that
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actually has h.265 hardware but it isn't
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actually used but anyway yeah that would
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make sense in that like I infused
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probably does great because the aid has
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dedicated h.264 decode hardware but if
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it's not h.264 and instead of h.265 and
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is this magic doesn't have hardware for
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it or the hardware isn't enabled by
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apple's OS then you would have to be
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trying to draw on the cpu and I can
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understand why would choke to death
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yeah I'm i also should point out that
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just earlier today I listen to mac power
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users episode 2 99 which we will put a
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link in the show notes and if you've
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ever wanted a unbiased opinion about are
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certainly not by me opinion about plex
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if you've wondered how to get started
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with it if you've wondered what it what
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it brings to the table
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listen to back our users 299 is really
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great episode that goes on to all into
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so you should check that out here's one
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more drive-by complained about flex
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which I cannot believe that they don't
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do I just assume they did maybe I'm
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and yet so you you have a blog post
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where you can link in the show notes
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Casey about like introduction to plex
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that you did that a while ago like how
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to name your files linking to like the
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Plex file naming guide and figure out
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I'm like and I wondered when i read that
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the time like because I wasn't using
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flex that much like this seems weird me
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why is he doing this just because like
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if you want to have everything perfect
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just do it this way but like surely
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there's a feature in this thing where
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you can essentially just find some media
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that he didn't either a shrug your
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shoulders a tour has misidentified and
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say all you got it wrong and go in there
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and just type some random words in the
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search box until you find the surgeries
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all you want to go yes that one so like
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say you mislabeled star wars or
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something and it is confused about what
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it is you know I got well you don't know
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what this is because i have the the
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files named we're whatever so I'm just
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going to go in your search box and type
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star wars and see the 8000 results for
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star wars and find the one that is not
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the special edition but the original
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1977 version just click on that one so
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yeah this is that one is that feature
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not exist and flex it exists I can't
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find it does i can't find it
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I could swear it does but I can't walk
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you through where it is because my imac
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is too much fuckin money maybe I haven't
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found it yet but every time I go to edit
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the metadata it's like you know if I
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name the file then yeah we'll figure it
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out if I don't name the file right all i
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can do is like a pic cover art to stop
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it is totally wrong about the metadata I
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can't do a search and say surely the
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database that you are using has this
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metadata and that you're just not
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finding the right one
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so rather than me editing the individual
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mandate which I don't want to do I just
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want to say let me do a search of your
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big database cool stuff like a pretty
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broad search and let me pick the blob of
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metadata that I'm telling you is this
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one so that I can manually fix
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everything that I had like so that if I
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didn't know how to label like some you
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know special of a show like a christmas
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special the show that's not part of any
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particular season I didn't know the
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secret season 0 weird you know
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convention they have to be like oh well
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let me just do a chronological certain
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search of the most recent episodes from
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this series and i will find whatever
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blob of metadata corresponds to this and
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then click on it will automatically
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label it's like season 0 I would never
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figure that out my
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anyway we still still working through my
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yeah you know the thing with flexes its
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very opinionated about file names and
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file conventions but once you understand
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its opinions it's actually very simple
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to to work with and that's what my blog
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yeah i'll keep looking for it but uh the
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television shows no and I object to
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season 0 I don't like for the record
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season 04 for TV shows and specials so
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example would be a season 0 entry anyway
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uh we have a fair bit of feedback about
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Swift and default final and and i'm
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it appears that Marco has done some
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homework and put something in the show
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notes I flat an email yeah wow yeah i
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hit three keys to make this happen
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are you okay do you feel right no all
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right so this was a feedback from nick
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my caucus from a longer email is very
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thoughtful memory just a quote here he
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having having classes be default final
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object-oriented programming language
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subclassing was a good thing and should
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decades of experiences with such
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languages has led to two key insight i
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first met in order to write classes that
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can be robustly extended through
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inheritance allowing both the base and
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derived classes to evolve with minimal
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risk of breaking each other
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see also the fragile base class problem
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careful consideration should be given at
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important lesson though which is the
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class inheritance should be thought of
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set of problems not a general mechanism
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for code reuse so this makes a lot of
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anti-patterns and and dysfunction that
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subclassing everywhere can bring and
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some of the challenges of bringing some
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what we've seen is that it basically
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shouldn't be the default thats
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everywhere and the java people will will
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have to find a different way to program
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i guess and and they can take it and the
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PHP people have to find something to
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copy it was actually a pretty pretty old
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no-good of wisdom the whole that the the
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downsides of subclassing and you can
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tell it's old because objective-c is in
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many ways a reaction to it objective-c
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objective c so much more like the
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frameworks built on a napkin or whatever
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it was called I think maybe was always
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called app but anyway the next the next
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step frameworks especially the UI
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frameworks use delegation a lot a lot
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more than contemporary frameworks for
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doing similar things that were all about
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subclassing they were either you know
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functional much because they don't have
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object classes at all or they were
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enamored of the idea of subclassing but
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the next api's and frameworks heavily
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used the delegation patterns to avoid
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subclassing to say this is a better way
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individual objects that just use each
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other to do things and the way you alter
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behavior is by giving it a different
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delegate I mean how that's essentially
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the the next equivalent of like you know
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you don't write a main routine there is
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a main routine obviously but your app
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delegate is basically your application
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am I am i correct in my vague
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understanding of the cocoa frameworks
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yeah you don't subclass your application
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that conforms to the protocol and you
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get messages delivered there
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blows over time and eventually all of
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the code in your app is in the app
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delegate well then that's like reading
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all your coat and main like a rookie
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mistake but yeah but yeah but like so
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even even like the the very simplest
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starting point of your program is done
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through delegation and lots of the UI
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frameworks are done through delegation
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because and then you know delegation
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eventually not not specific delegation
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but I trying to avoid inheritance can
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lead you to a sort of be the inversion
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of control pattern which kind of weird
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nasty speaking of java where you're
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trying to use composition instead of
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inheritance but you want to give people
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access to the different pieces they get
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composed into the hole and so your
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entire program is dictating what things
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are composed into what to get your
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classes the parts we need to go anyway
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any any sort of program code reuse
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essentially technology a code reuse
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technique whether its inheritance of
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delegation or composition or any other
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patterns in the little bit pattern books
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can go awry but i think pretty early on
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in the history of your program the
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downsides of inheritance were clear and
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anything that came after that sort of
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understanding has tried to do something
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different including the things that were
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the precursors to the frameworks that
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apple now uses but we were talking about
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in the context of like even a napkin you
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like it and all these frameworks that
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use delegation patterns as application
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programmers often you subclass either
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because that's the intended use of the
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things still in some cases or because
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you like that thing but you just wanted
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to be a little bit different or you need
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to just ride this bitch is out you know
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like because it's possible it is a tool
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that's in the tool belt of programmers
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to get what they want and frameworks
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whether or not the framework really ever
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intended you to subclass that thing
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yep alright so another thing that was
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written in andrea's hartal mom he made
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some great points about mocking using
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Swift he said there's another unforeseen
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consequence of going final by default
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test that could have used mocks to
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ensure their framework method is was
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called can't do that anymore this is
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because much reliance subclassing to
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replace all API functionality with no
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ops i'm not going to get into what
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marketing is if you're not familiar with
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it but suffice to say that
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the last couple of years I've really
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gotten into unit testing like formal
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unit testing and mocking is kind of your
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path to happiness there and it's what
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really made me understand why do for
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designing two interfaces or protocols if
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you will is really kind of the right
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idea and that's that's that's not an
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insignificant problem if this is the way
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that Swift goes so I thought that was
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very very astute point it seems like
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it's not a significant problem to me
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because I assume there would always be a
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compiler mode that says disregard the
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final keyword you know me like fruits
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for when you when you run your unit
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tests don't see anything up his final
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because it shouldn't it shouldn't affect
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functionality it maybe you disable some
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optimizations and maybe you wouldn't
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have a bug for bug compatible thing in
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terms of maybe like a bug in the
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compiler that causes the optimization
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goes the ride but it seems trivial to me
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to have a compiler option that says you
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just ignore final entirely like don't
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see a lot of any classes or change the
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default is or something like that that
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allows you to mock in your unit tests
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yeah yeah that's an interesting point I
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don't know how that that would be
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handled moving on Neal Cronin was one of
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the few people to write in and point out
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the error in what I or potentially earn
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what I'd said i don't recall exactly how
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i phrase things but it sounds like I
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probably got a little wrong I'm he
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pointed out that C sharp methods are
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final by default but classes or not and
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so I think I might have interspersed
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classes and methods a little bit last
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episode but to be absolutely clear
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classes are not final by default but
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methods are so that's my bad on that
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will have a link in the show notes to
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that also a chris d i'm not gonna even
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try to pronounce your surname i come
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back and i go with some back
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ok you go i pointed out that you can do
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something like final objective c with a
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fancy compiler directives you put enough
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underscores and anything is possible c
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c++ underscore underscore attribute
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underscore underscore double open paren
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close parenthese yes there are so many
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attributes you can add you can annotate
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all your things with no ability
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information for this with bridging and
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you can say objective-c subclassing
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restricted that's from jesse Squires
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gave that little attribute yikes
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alright and then one of you guys wanted
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yeah those me uh the rest people have
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come out to defend the honor of their
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language and to differentiate it from
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static compiled languages with an eye
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towards being a better c++ without all
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the downsides c or c++ you know things
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like Swift essentially and Benjamin sog
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oh yes points out that rust I mean you
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mentioned the show but his amp has
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emphasized by a lot of people trust is
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not garbage collected going to go use
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the garbage collector runtime Swift of
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course uses reference counting that
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means their programs you can write
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address that you couldn't write and
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game a browser enter an OS device driver
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very least would object to the idea that
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oh yeah and i would even object to his
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characterization of garbage pile of
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reference counting as a form of garbage
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collection I don't think I don't think I
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agree with that but he's talking about
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is like a my understanding and I'm sure
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we'll get more email about this breasts
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because I have enough on my homework is
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that the way rest gets around not having
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with memory rather than a Triton you
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know another was not like that the dance
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competition you know we know it's like
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it's some point you have to go wander
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all of your stuff and clean out the
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garbage and that takes time and even if
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solution is figure out what you do use
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memory and you know so it's it's in line
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execution is not another thread running
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number to keep track of how many
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references there are you just don't like
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operating system and see most of the
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putting three is in the right place or
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if you're in a particular part of the
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colonel you can use my locker free
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you've got to do everything with wire
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down memory and so you can't have
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anything having to you know like it's
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automated memory management in that way
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i would imagine the answer Swift is that
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you can write those parts of the program
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if you understand enough out about us
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with managers memory even though you
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you can do it in such a way that you
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know that all of the silly reference
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counting increment decrement stuff will
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how things are going to get sorted out
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without any memory access stuff but
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still rust is heavily focused on the
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idea that it does not use a garbage
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collector and it doesn't use reference
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don't think anyone should know that idea
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even if someone actually does well i
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think i might disagree with both of
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those points but so let's so yeah I was
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being sarcastic obviously what we're
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talking about is there's been this
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application called flux felt fwx and
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it's been available on computers like
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forever and and they had like an iOS
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kind of hack version where like you
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couldn't they couldn't put in the app
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store so they did like a silent where
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you could download like a binary library
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in with a project into Xcode and have it
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installed into your phone and they did
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this back in november and it got
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thousands or millions of it there are
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tons of downloads and then on houses on
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member 12 2 months ago they said hey
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they posted saying that Apple had
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contacted them and had said that the the
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iOS download of their of their kind of
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side loaded app here was in violation of
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developer agreement and so this method
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of install is no longer available
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Apple has indicated this should not
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continue so they don't really say like
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if Apple like legally threaten them or
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anything because technically they could
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have continued to distribute it probably
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and so this was all just two months ago
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and then all of a sudden now in what is
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the next major iOS feature update that
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next update has a feature that is a
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direct copy of what this does
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so I wonder if there's actually if they
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actually made some kind of small deal
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where maybe Apple said like we don't
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want you doing this
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shut it down and we're gonna do it
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ourselves and we won't sue you or shut
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it down will give you a small amount of
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money and we'll do it ourselves and you
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won't say anything you know that it's
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probably something like that but the
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only reason we have to give him some
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money is if they have a super dumb
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patent on this idea right there's two
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separate issues here one being mean to
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the makers of flux and not letting them
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use sideloading to this not lying side
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loading at all like that's all separate
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issue of like a apple why is the only
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way to be able to get application of
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devices to the appstore what about a way
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that you won't complain about that
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expert users can use not all people are
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going to use it no one's going to
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skoda build their own thing inside like
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only you know only the nerds are going
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to do a why not just let that go
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that is a separate issue the separate
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issue from is it ok for Apple to take
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this idea that again i think the
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metroplex probably did not invent I of
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changing the color temperature display
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based on the time of day and incorporate
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that into their OS for those their most
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popular platform that seems like a
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no-brainer slam dunk in the only thing
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that Apple trip across is if someone has
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a super dumb patent on have to pay
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somebody for I had no idea about those
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the galleries but i think the whole
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system as well as stupid I'm totally
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okay with Apple incorporating this idea
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because it's a good idea and because
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nobody should on this idea I first of
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all I i think the way they're doing it
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just the timing of this and the way they
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came down so hard on flux and then
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immediately made their own thing I think
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that that makes apple look like a jerk
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really make their own thing or what they
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already making it to have they aren't
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like how long is this feature been you
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know again fluxes an old application and
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they're probably applications before but
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i don't think the timing is they saw
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people sideloading flux and then they
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said all we got to get on that and
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decided to add the feature it seems like
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the type of thing that might have been
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in the works for a while but who knows
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honestly i disagree i think it's exactly
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it's it's a simple enough feature that
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is exactly what probably happened
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alright guys so even if they did it what
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then what difference does it make like
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the someone saw the idea this is this is
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a thing that users want again separate
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from the notion of telling flux we can't
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do it because that I agree is kind of
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turkey and annoying right
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teleflex they can't do it is separate
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from the idea of well it's a good idea
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we should build and because that's
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exactly how they should work if there's
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something that's a really popular idea
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that is very much a system-level thing
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which i'm amazed the fuck could even do
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what they did because it seemed so much
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like a system-level thing right that
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should be built in the operating system
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and how do you find those things you
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think of them yourself or you see that
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there's lots of user demand for this
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type of thing a lot of people are
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interested in this feature we should
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build it into the stupid OS and so they
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do like I'm not saying Apple shouldn't
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have been allowed to do this or that
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they shouldn't even made me I'm not even
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saying they shouldn't have done it but
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the the the timing of it the way they
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did it and the timing of it i think is
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distasteful and and makes them look
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pretty jerky I i disagree i don't think
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they look any more or less like the
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jerks the thing that makes them look
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like jerks is not letting them sideload
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incorporating the future they always
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make them look like smart OS spenders
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don't think it makes them look like
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jerks i don't think there's any time I
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don't think they even said I we exactly
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copied this we were inspired by flux and
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if they came out publicly and said the
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story you're surmising is true i still
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think that would be fine because I think
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that like that's this is a consequence
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of the idea that people not owning ideas
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like you want people not on ideas but it
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still seems distasteful to you that
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someone came up with this thing and that
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like the day you know immediately copied
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it from them it's not there's nothing
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you know it's they didn't own it its
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it's the transfer of ideas is the reason
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the reason I at least mm against pats is
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the idea that someone will have an idea
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another person will hear that idea and
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said that's a good idea and take that
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idea and run with it and like it's not
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there's 22 own and there's no copying
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going on it to share anyway whatever
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hippie-dippie stuff i should point out
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like I did a very similar feature
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instapaper like five years ago
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look it's like this is not new it's not
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like i said it's not it's not a new idea
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to computing is not a new idea to like
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non computing related lights like the
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whole white theoretical is probably some
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study many many many years ago about the
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color temperature and light if I can
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sleep patterns that all this is spun out
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from but yeah like I don't and that's
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why I fear if I remember I don't know if
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someone send us the link i fear that
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flux actually does have a patent is
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because seriously like it should not be
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not be patentable period and even under
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the the route the rules are current
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patent system has been rejected based on
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prior art but you know I've never had
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doesn't do anything but anyway so I do
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want to get into slightly a discussion
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of the the assumption or the scientific
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basis of this so so first of all the
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just to clarify when we say change the
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color temperature for anybody who
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doesn't know if you ever seen somebody
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by a CFL or LED light bulb that looks
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really blue when you put in the house
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especially at night but this is kind or
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if you have one that was like way too
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yellow or orange your kind of seeing
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that seeing the issues of color balance
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in our expectations so basically in the
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middle today during daylight daylight
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colored light is you know more more
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towards that the blue end of the color
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balance spectrum the way we could only
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think about it and then at night things
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like fires and cold streetlights
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and incandescent bulbs those we think of
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as as I especially like the bulbs we
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think i was making like white light but
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in reality it's really most it's more
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it's more yellow tinted then daylight is
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and so are our eyes adjust for this
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camera just for that's what this is
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about white balances and cameras our
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eyes adjust for this and so we think
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we're sitting in a room lit by slightly
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yellow incandescent lights in you know
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at nighttime when it's dark outside
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we don't think of it as being a yellow
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light we think of it as being a neutral
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white light but then if you see
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something that is neutral color like
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daylight it looks blue to you by
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comparison because you aren't you
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adjusted to that are you anyway the the
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the principle behind this is that your
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computer screens they don't change their
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color tone without this you know they
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don't change their color tone throughout
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the day so that what looks like a
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neutral white color balance during the
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day on a computer screen does look
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bluish and/or you know 22 bright it
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could be perceived as its kind of tricky
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but you know it looks like too harsh or
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too blue or too bright in like a
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dimly-lit nighttime room for the most
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part and and the idea here is that this
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can confuse your body into into not
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preparing for sleep or not not sleeping
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as well or something like that and I've
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looked into I've tried to see what the
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scientific basis for this is because the
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idea is that if you can if you can make
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the screen shift its color temperature
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into the warm area so basically make
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your maker computing devices change
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their own white balance along with what
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your what's going on in your house and
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around you in your environment so that
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in the daytime they're neutral and and
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you know what might consider like a
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bluish or new or cold white but then at
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night they shifted everything it's
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tinted yellow via the idea that will
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I'm not entirely sure that the evidence
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I've seen so far proves that I i think
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it's it's a good theory it might be true
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the studies that are cited everywhere
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mostly seemed to indicate that
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brightness of light is important so it
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you know it might not be important to
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change your lights to be more yellow at
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night it might just be important to
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avoid bright screens at night and and
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using bright screen
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like in bed or before bed or whatever
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that I think makes it from from the
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actual suitable to find which is pretty
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few and far between but that's the flux
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has a good list of them bright light
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emitting devices are a problem to use
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late at night for this purpose but it
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doesn't necessarily follow that changing
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the color temperature of those screens
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fixes that problem the studies i'm
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looking at like the one that focused
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most recently on that public national
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academy of sciences anyway i read that
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one that was like you know ipad vs book
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and it's like if you read an ipad for
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four hours first before bed person if
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you read a book before I before going to
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bed like the iPad users measurably had
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like worse sleep and and related issues
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I i thought at first like you know maybe
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he's measuring like if you're like
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bouncing around with apps that's
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engaging you're bringing a different way
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but know that it sounded too controlled
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for that they had people watching to
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make sure you actually reading a book
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but it's like if you're staring at an
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ipad screen for before bed was reading a
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book reading the book is better but they
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didn't test if you start an ipad screen
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with neutral color temperature versus
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one that is slowly shifting itself
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yellow they didn't say that was better
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so it seems like this is two separate
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things that that the that this the
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studies that have been done so far show
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that bright lights at night can hurt
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your sleeping and also we think it's
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more pleasant and easy on your brain to
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ten things yellow but nothing is
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actually prove that and apples working
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on the features actually very carefully
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align with us so it says many studies
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have shown that exposure to bright blue
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light in the evening can affect your
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circadian rhythms and make it harder to
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fall asleep night shift use your iOS
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devices clock and educational haha and
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automatically shifts the closure display
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to the one where the spectrum making it
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easier on your eyes
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it doesn't say the shit of a color shift
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will make it easier to fall asleep
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it says bright lights have been shown to
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make it harder to fall asleep and this
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will be easier on your eyes but there's
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no connection to sleep there
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I'm surprised they can't get sued suit
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for easier on your eyes because like I
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don't even know what that supportable
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get more yellow which is easier on your
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eyes how is that I maybe it's because
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it's not measurable that's why it's
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that's why it's important but it's like
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it's bacon off they like well what is
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so maybe it's it's big enough that
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they're okay but right and then you know
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there's all sorts of like theories about
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like that's why you see a lot of like
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yellow tinted sunglasses theories about
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like if you if you reduce the blue light
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more than the other colors these are on
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the island there there are other things
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about that but I don't and so I think
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that's probably backed up but like it
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doesn't seem like this is connected
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necessarily so I think if you're
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concerned about this
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sure try flux or try this try night
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shift if you find it pleasant great you
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know that that's it that's a separate
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thing it might not be helping you sleep
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but i think if you want to sleep it is
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it we do have evidence so far it seems
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that either reducing the brightness of
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the screen is probably way more
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important the screener does that
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automatically to some degree like you
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can pick your brightness but it does it
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does just based on ambient temperature
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within some range so it does her butt
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but like I would say like you reduce the
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brightness especially at night like you
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say you're either keep it all the time
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like i do or like just said it you said
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it lower and I even like so even set up
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the middle point lower or just if you're
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concerned about this and maybe you
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should be just don't use your devices
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before bed because the studies are
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pretty clear that that helps a lot but i
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don't think we know that changing it to
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yellow has a meaningful effect on the
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quality of your sleep
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it might be more pleasant but it's it
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might not have a meaningful effect but
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if you believe it will then it will
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because the placebo effect is incredibly
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strong and so like this two aspects as
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some people just find it more pleasant
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like it they just like it's like yeah
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called fashion or aesthetics or just
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give them a warm fuzzy feeling they just
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like that's fine
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the right and the other one is if they
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believe it will give them better sleep
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there is a chance of that belief will
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cause some to have purposely maybe but
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you know at work it could be you know
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just like if you start thinking about
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having better sleep and wanted to make
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changes in your life to give you better
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sleep you will probably make other
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changes that will also give you better
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sleep you know so if you want better
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chances are you could you know she's
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doing multiple things at one of those
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might be don't be like reading your
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phone every single second at night until
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the second you get you go to bed i have
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the opposite of the placebo effect
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because i do usually the last thing i do
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right before i go to bed
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is look at an iOS device which is pretty
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bright in a pretty dark room and I've
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been doing this for years and years and
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years you know since iOS existed and
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thanks for the ipod touches existed and
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every so often I think this like exactly
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what they tell you what not to do like a
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bright mostly white light in your face
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like right before bed
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I wonder if this is making me not be
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able to say when i go to sleep instantly
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so like everyone's but it's like I'm I'm
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trying to convince myself that what I'm
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doing is going to be harmful and I'd
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so somebody that is if Apple it you know
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maybe the Apple feature does more like
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maybe it also adjust the brightness if
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not maybe it should like that but that
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would be like if it if it also read it
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like I just like you know like reduce
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the variance your screen night also in
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addition to like the automatic thing the
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brightness range
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yeah like basically move the slider for
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you yeah like move move like the
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setpoint down also ignore you move move
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the whole range down if it also does
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that automatically that's a lot more
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valuable and maybe it does i haven't
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tried yet although i'd be like it is my
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device getting dim what the hell was
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that stupid thing again i want to
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display looks to dinner realize that
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I've acts like a kid is lean on the
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brightness button on my keyboard or
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something in a look and look for for a
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long time people have complained many
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people have complained that and i agree
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with this complaint that the the lowest
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brightness setting on iOS device screens
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often is low enough that it would be if
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you're in like if you're in a room that
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is the only elimination like it here
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reading in bed at night it the the
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lowest brightness setting is often still
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to be especially if using an Apple white
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background and there's been all sorts of
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like people the people who like use the
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accessibility toggles to try to make it
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even dimmer which messes with the mess
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with my app and then there's any bug
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reports like they're all sorts of of
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people like people who've been doing
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this for years of like using special
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accessibility settings or special app
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features to try to reduce it even
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further mean introversion instapaper
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when i first introduced dark mode in
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order to get around this problem i
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actually had a translucent black layer
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that I could put over the entire window
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just just a giant uiview over the entire
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or later i forget which one but just
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like a giant overlay that I could that I
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could just you know dim as necessary and
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dark mode because the entire interface
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was not dim enough online especially on
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an ipad with this giant giant break into
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a more prominent ipads and iphone most
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people just go into another room because
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i think the bottom brightness setting is
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too dim to look at like what does two
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things that they're here one is is it
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putting it off enough light to annoy
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other person is trying to sleep in the
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yes I grant you it's doing that but the
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other is does it look like a normal
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screen or doesn't look like a screen
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that's broken and when you put the
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brightness of the bottom setting in any
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iOS device basically looks broken like
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things don't look right anymore it's not
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just the dimmer version of the screen
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now you're changing in a material way
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like there are things that you can't
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read because the contrast is too low
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everything is super dark it does not
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look like a slightly dimmer version i
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thought your point I thought you were
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going to say about the screens is and
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I've heard this complaint as well as
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that in with the dawning of LED
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backlights many years ago on most
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devices they go way too high
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like the top brightness setting is
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blinding noon in the noonday Sun have to
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put on a mask is like these like
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monitors from the random brands that are
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not like Apple monitors or dell HP but
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just that mean that you know Brandi
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you've never heard of that is really
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cheap monitors and their top brightness
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setting you can cook eggs with it
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I just they get really really bright no
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I mean even apples like my I have my
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five kids had my 5k is set to use one
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notch above the middle
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yeah because like the it's way too
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bright if it's set up more than that
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yeah it's just it's crazy but I which is
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good i like having that headroom I guess
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I mean maybe you still want it like you
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know if I said noon day Sun but if you
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actually have your iphone 6 out in the
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noonday Sun and put on max brightness
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you'll see it's actually not that bright
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after all compared to the Sun right and
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that's something like you they they do
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this it makes a lot of sense on portable
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devices especially because if you have
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to use it outside in sunlight it you
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really need every bit of brightness you
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can get but what you need there watching
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you there's different display text
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because lcds as you crank the brightness
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you just get like if you have a
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completely black screen you crank the
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brightness to max that you can use a
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black led-backlit screen completely
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black one has a flashlight in a dark
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room because that's how much light just
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comes through it is it because it's
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is on behind every single pixel and the
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little liquid crystal things are trying
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not light through but they do which is
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why plasma TVs look better so oled
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doesn't have that problem because it is
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just cause not causing the pixels that
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are not lit up there just not admitting
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any light there's no light behind they
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don't have to block and we're just not
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putting it like a plasma they're just
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not putting out any light so they moved
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to oled could help because if you if you
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did have like I'm cranking my iphone 6
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brightness in the noonday Sun and i
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still can't see the screen even if you
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put a backlight behind it was this
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gigantic super-bright backlight you with
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the contrast between the white regions
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and the black would still be basically
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the same ratio and so it's still look
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all washed out and in the noonday Sun
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what you really need is to say this is
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you know you can turn the backlight down
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to a degree where that the LCD screen
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can block the light going to resist so
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the light is so windy that it doesn't go
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through but the room is so dark that
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where does come through you get a better
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contrast ratio so different display text
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missing before you get to reflect the
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display type which of course is a real
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way to go where there's not actually
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like coming from behind it but like a
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kindle you're relying on the sunlight
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coming down and bouncing off and you
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just make regions of a black so it
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doesn't talk as much and then you get
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something that acts like a an actual
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book a paper book where it becomes more
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readable and sunrise instead of less but
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we do not have a good hybrid between
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back lift and reflective screens there
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are a lot of ones that have been tried
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involving either an LCD or combinations
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various other tech and none of them are
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mainstream yet so we'll still wait for
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that but in the meantime I'll let is the
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next significant step in this area that
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should really help on this week's
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federico talks a bit about night shift
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and he had said that he had been using
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it for a while and then he went back to
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I think he turned it off or something
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like that he said I think it said that
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it was like getting stabbed in the eye
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because you're federico doesn't believe
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in sleeping when the rest of italy
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sleeps he sleeps when we sleep and so he
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said it was really jarring when he had
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turned off in the middle of the night so
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whether or not it's real
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it certainly is a strong placebo from
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what i can tell i mean it's also just
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like as i mentioned like your eyes
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adjust to it your eyes have you know
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auto white balance on camera terms the
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difference when you when you're not
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adjusted it's a huge difference you know
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in the East with a easy to see the stiff
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Prince is if you have a camera set the
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white balance on it manually to daylight
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and take a picture outside during
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daylight and it should look normal
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then sit with it's still set to daylight
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take a picture inside your house at
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night and everything will look insanely
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yellow it's a huge difference it this is
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not a subtle shift in colors it's a
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massive difference if you are just you
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know using your device one night with
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this feature enabled the whole night and
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the next night you have the feature
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disabled the whole night you might not
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even notice the difference because your
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eyes are adjusting as night falls the
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entire time as the thing is happening
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too slow change but if you then
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immediately while your eyes are adjusted
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to the warm color immediately see cool
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colors then it's gonna be very jarring I
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don't think that necessarily says like
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how big of a difference this makes
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whatever I think it's just like yeah
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the shift is a big shift you know but I
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i still don't i don't think we we have
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any thing to show this is like super
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effective I think I you know it's
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primarily anesthetic preference and then
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it might be related to eye strain or you
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know like the the the ease on your eyes
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a but the other the connection to sleep
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quality i think it is still very
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unproven so we're running a bit long and
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I'd like to wrap somewhat soon but I
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really wanted to at least bring up this
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multi-user ipad thing for the classroom
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so apparently there's going to be a
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whole bunch of changes for using iPads
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in the classroom and again this was
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covered in the most recent episode of
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connected where Frazier Spears showed up
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and it genuinely seems really really
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interesting some of the stuff they're
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teachers can look at other to look at
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their pupil screens we're not sure if
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that's live or if it's just like a
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snapshot it there's multi-user ipad so
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you so a user can log into any ipad and
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get their home folder so to speak on
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that ipad we don't know a whole lot
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about it but it seems really interesting
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i'm fascinated to hear the reports from
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from the field how this works but I'm
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very skeptical it'll ever land on
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regular consumer ipad
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that's what do you guys think is that
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it's got to come to regular this is one
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of those like bigger iPads like it is
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guaranteed this is going to come
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eventually it's just a question of when
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because us enough iPads are shared
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devices and families even it's just like
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the three kids fighting over the the two
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generations old ipad that has been
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handed down to them
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yeah they just need that like it they
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may be this feature for a long time and
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it seems like it's not it seems like it
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shouldn't be too hard to do like it
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doesn't break any sort of you I paradigm
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they could just have an app for
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switching or whatever like it's because
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once you're using it as a user is just
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like a regular ipad and the only context
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switches oh well you know now your
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sister wants to give it to her and then
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she watches that same happened
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taps on her icon and now it's her iPad
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and they have to fight over storage
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space you use iCloud to mitigate bad and
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what happens if you know enough room
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iCloud then when your sister logs in you
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lose your save data because it can
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upload the iCloud and you know there are
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details to work out here and there but
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this seems like a very obvious feature
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that needs to come time especially f
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iPads continue to you know be more
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sophisticated in the ipad pro and
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multiple users is a thing that we know
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is useful for large devices with
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multiple people might use like imax or
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even laptops or even ipad pros and i'm
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not sure i would assume that it's
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definitely coming to like regular
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consumer iPads I mean you know setting
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up the education environment is
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presumably like a big provisioning thing
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like i would imagine the kind of thing
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that it will it doesn't like it's very
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useful for education but I i'm not
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really sure Apple cares enough about
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enabling multi-user iPads for in
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people's houses because right now the
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way it solved is either you know either
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it's not solved and you stay logged in
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as one person and everyone just went to
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your high scores or people get different
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ipad for different people at the end
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that's that's probably what Apple wants
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apple wants everyone to have their own
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ipad I'm not sure because if you think
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about what's involved in this in a home
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environment without without like the
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central management of of the school's
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doing in a home environment what's
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involved here is like things that things
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server and cloud and it's as is aimed at
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final place to recut cars because this
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create a new user and it's only ever a
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single-user ipad as far as the ipad is
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user to changes periodically and that
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percentage of max out their have more
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your computer and suddenly you'll be
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account August by cases i'm at that
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seven-year-olds room and then come back
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good idea i don't think i don't think
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it's going away and whether you think
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it's important for iphones and ipads
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that exists now as the ipad pro
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as it becomes a more viable desktop and
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laptop replacement I think it's
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overestimating the sophistication of
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this multi-user implementation there may
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be a massive amount of work to be done
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very good alright thanks a lot to r3
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sponsors this week fracture blue apron
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too self-congratulatory as I say it's
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gonna be a short show you have really
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yeah yeah let's follow up follow us back
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haha hey please educate us
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well we usually start with follow-up but
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flex and infuse app infuse app is
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how it works for us Bob LA but then it
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tailbone was a topic the follow-up item
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like you know two-and-a-half minutes if
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we just hit the bullet points anyway we
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Casey's imac for 40 minutes before we
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topic one because it gives you a chance
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to like get into the show with something
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yeah I don't know i-i-i put the tail
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well first because i thought it was more
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dramatic that way but i did kinda like
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having a little something a little
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appetizer before the follow-up but you
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that's the format of the show is it one
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this was my time to shine John don't
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live here is your time to cry
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sure your imac yeah how about that case
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the the box that little a trapezoid
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e-box yeah very weird i liked it very
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although I tell you what putting that
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junk back into the styrofoam what a
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mostly because i'm an idiot when it came
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to that but really I found it very easy
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to repack an imac find a pretty easy to
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you just need practice
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yeah what I've never had to deal with it
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before i had to bring my head to bring
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my thunderbolt display back to the apple
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store many times I was the best man with
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that size and shape
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yeah but ya know I just never done it
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before with a with something that shape
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I mean unless I have a desktop it was a
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tower which is a big rectangle so it was
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very different for me and I don't quite
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understand the box but usually the
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things apple those boxes are about
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fitting more in a shipping container you
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know basically like in less
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environmental waste more things you know
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but more product and less volume right
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but I really don't think they're packing
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these things up like you know top bottom
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top bottom top bottom to try to get
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space-saving so I see is that wedge they
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cut out of it is just empty space in the
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shipping containers when they ship these
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the way now that anyway I it seems like
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it's just an aesthetic thing which i can
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buy but if there's some shipping related
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why would you wouldn't stack them like
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one right side up the next right upside
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down no no I don't think they do that
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like I would imagine that they're not
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meant to be shipped upside down right
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setups and right up it seemed i think
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they're I bet they are
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I bet they think so yeah it was like
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what do you think they fill the gaps
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with like a whole bunch of mighty my
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secret is Topsail little triangles plus
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that that's what I'm saying like it just
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it just seems like the apps the apps
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would be ere I i would imagine that
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these things ship only in one
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orientation for just for like the
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security of like bouncing around and
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cargo containers but maybe they do ship
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find upside down and they do alternate
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the chat room is very upset because you
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are very wrong John there i'm wrong but
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i want to do upside down right setup you
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that you are wrong in saying that they
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are all right setup they are they are
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wedged in one right side up one upside
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down as as mark when I suspected
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yeah I I just thought they wouldn't do
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that i thought the like that that
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shipping upset i will be bad you know
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the whole thing with a side of power
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amazon boxes the numbers attention to i
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see that i still see them on boxes that
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come to my house usually not facing up
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well I can imagine imagine how bad it
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would be the because you know whatever
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however Apple ships them that's
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definitely on how like UPS and FedEx
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going to ship them so like you know
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imagine if you designed a computer and a
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shipping method of that computer sucks
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that it had to be kept a certain way up
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otherwise it would just break
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I don't like have to be just like that's
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the best orientation is the most secure
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so when Apple controls the shipments
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like that but in the last mile it's all
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over the place because he based a little
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boxes all right yes it's somewhat but
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the outer box is also that same shape
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yeah yep as that they are the real
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reason this of course is to make the
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giant wheel imax those guys maybe credit
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if you put them together not alternating
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eventually you get a big wheel that you
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can stand in the runaround
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that's awesome that out on the quad and
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their what I assume is their college
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because where people have a this many
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imax and be this much free time
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yeah i think that their key the key
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thing that they did either right or
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wrong depending on your look at is these
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empty boxes and so they were held
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together had together with that with
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like clear packing tape and everything
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and eventually the packing tape and like
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the boxes themselves structural
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integrity together if you can i'm a cage
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one of those things that would have some
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serious momentum you could have ever
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yeah we've been very heavy be very
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