The Accidental Tech Podcast

153: Larger, Less Portable Pastures


  oh you're about to get a bunch of snow [TS]

  you know where do you for like 30 inches [TS]

  would consider that this entire area [TS]

  shuts down over about six as we record [TS]

  this wednesday evenings now wasn't [TS]

  supposed to start until friday and on [TS]

  facebook i saw four or five different [TS]

  people [TS]

  the show images of the grocery store [TS]

  bread aisle which is eviscerated the [TS]

  baking aisle because hashtag the south [TS]

  is got it [TS]

  it's just apparently a disaster out [TS]

  there and any there's not been a flake [TS]

  on the ground as far as I'm aware [TS]

  yeah I mean we were supposed to get like [TS]

  the tail end of what's hitting you [TS]

  so we're supposed to get about a foot [TS]

  maybe like at the boat dealers are you [TS]

  guys is like a dusting really that's [TS]

  that's that's heavy snowfall but it's [TS]

  not unusual like that that happens at [TS]

  least once or twice every winter and [TS]

  it's fine [TS]

  however i tried to buy rock salt today [TS]

  and they're like there was one kind left [TS]

  is the most expensive kind of course and [TS]

  it was like the heavy commercial pro [TS]

  blend or whatever other like sea salt [TS]

  like that [TS]

  well you don't use it all you can [TS]

  sprinkle it over your uh you know seared [TS]

  salmon or whatever [TS]

  yeah this the the entire region of here [TS]

  is panicking for snow that we get every [TS]

  year so I can't even imagine what you [TS]

  guys are going through like a people [TS]

  underestimate the amount of food in [TS]

  their house like the idea is that you [TS]

  know the roads will be impassable which [TS]

  you know doesn't really ever happen [TS]

  maybe by casey well but and then we will [TS]

  starve to death in her home because we [TS]

  will not have enough nevermind that it [TS]

  would take a really long time for most [TS]

  people to starve to death without any [TS]

  food and you don't worry about water [TS]

  because you can always melt snow we [TS]

  learned so many things we learned from [TS]

  the long dark and so like they run to [TS]

  the store today we gotta buy all the [TS]

  food because what if we can't get to the [TS]

  grocery store for like two days you [TS]

  people don't know how long you can you [TS]

  live just off the food in your house [TS]

  well you see that's you guys you guys [TS]

  are prepared for snow [TS]

  where's for us I guarantee if we get you [TS]

  could live off the food in your house [TS]

  for like six months [TS]

  no way yes I mean if you planned well [TS]

  and probably if I planned well what you [TS]

  don't realize how many calories are in [TS]

  things like just just a like a box of [TS]

  granola bars like added up like a [TS]

  hundred calories per bar like how many [TS]

  calories do you think you need putting [TS]

  nothing would be pleasant the same [TS]

  like people are not an imminent dangers [TS]

  nevermind like the house next to you has [TS]

  people with food in the house next to [TS]

  them as people who like we're in [TS]

  civilization here people you're not [TS]

  going to start that in your home you'll [TS]

  be fine but yeah everyone does go to the [TS]

  stars [TS]

  I mean a lot of it is just not so much [TS]

  that you're gonna starve to death but [TS]

  let me just get in that one last grocery [TS]

  run before it is annoying to drive to [TS]

  the grocery store not the roads will be [TS]

  impassable but it will be more annoying [TS]

  and you know there will be problems [TS]

  getting out of the driveway and maybe [TS]

  I'll take a while to shovel you know and [TS]

  so it's like I let me just do my grocery [TS]

  run now and everybody it's like what he [TS]

  called it a barrier fence going to help [TS]

  me out here Marco why its offense is a [TS]

  kind of barrier that is true [TS]

  yeah the the mutex thing where everyone [TS]

  stacks yeah yeah anyway memory barrier [TS]

  yet it just causes all I just causes [TS]

  everyone to end up going at the same [TS]

  time that looks like people are [TS]

  panicking not really it is just taking [TS]

  the normally more random distribution of [TS]

  their there are supermarket trips and [TS]

  putting them all the same day so that [TS]

  makes me feel better about humanity [TS]

  I think about it that way the reason i [TS]

  was preparing for this today and not [TS]

  like three days from now when the stuff [TS]

  is actually about to hit us is because i [TS]

  feel like i'm about to get really sick [TS]

  because this is everything going around [TS]

  my family so I'm starting to feel it so [TS]

  I'm thinking I need to stock up on food [TS]

  to get me through being sick at the same [TS]

  time everyone else is thinking to stock [TS]

  up on food to get through the apocalypse [TS]

  to stay at home and eat saltine crackers [TS]

  you can live for weeks on but [TS]

  everybody's saltines are always stale [TS]

  doesn't matter if you still think still [TS]

  are life-giving but nobody nobody ever [TS]

  needs saltines enough to 24 their [TS]

  saltines to be fresh [TS]

  everybody needs saltines like twice a [TS]

  year so everyone's saltines at any given [TS]

  time are stale [TS]

  I used to be quite a Saltine but I'm now [TS]

  I'm never going to get when you when you [TS]

  buy them from the store [TS]

  I'm now convinced they're stale like in [TS]

  the store because a few times i bought [TS]

  like a brand new package of them [TS]

  intending to use them for soup like as [TS]

  you do and open them up and like these [TS]

  are already still how is that even [TS]

  possible i feel like just you know being [TS]

  one of those old people and returning to [TS]

  the supermarket and I picked these [TS]

  things off your shelf and they're [TS]

  already still i would i would love to [TS]

  just go shopping with you sometime [TS]

  Amanda [TS]

  it's amazing what at any there are so [TS]

  many better crackers wheat thins are way [TS]

  better now all things with the only [TS]

  cracker in my house when I was a kid so [TS]

  that's what I had but I could you know I [TS]

  don't need them anymore but i did back [TS]

  in the day when salty Pickens Rob road [TS]

  into tell us and i feel like i've seen [TS]

  some conflicting information about this [TS]

  but the general theme seems to be true [TS]

  that at the very least the imac [TS]

  trapezoidal boxes are in fact ship [TS]

  I'm sorry are stored yellow upside down [TS]

  and then right side upside down right [TS]

  side up and so Robert and said as a [TS]

  former apple store employee i can tell [TS]

  you that I max are stacked in on the [TS]

  shelves in the right side up upside-down [TS]

  fashion they are not however ship this [TS]

  way when the computer shipped each one [TS]

  is in the standard cardboard box like [TS]

  every other project product for secrecy [TS]

  i gotta tell you mine was shipped to me [TS]

  which may be different than the stores [TS]

  it was a standard cardboard box up in [TS]

  that it was unmarked on the outside but [TS]

  it was the same basic shape anyway Rob [TS]

  continues they don't care how many [TS]

  computers can fit in the truck they [TS]

  however they do care about how many [TS]

  computers can be stacked on the shelves [TS]

  in the back where there's already not a [TS]

  lot of room now as some people sent [TS]

  pictures as well like a pallet of imax [TS]

  showing them alternating even the palate [TS]

  was weird like the one photo we had it [TS]

  did show them saving space belt and they [TS]

  weren't upset i'm right setup they were [TS]

  like laying laying flat you know [TS]

  pointing left and right but then [TS]

  sometimes on some layers of the palette [TS]

  there would be like these filler blocks [TS]

  feel like because I guess it didn't work [TS]

  out to be completely flat so that there [TS]

  were these these trying these triangular [TS]

  filler regions it's very strange anyway [TS]

  it was like all it's like we're like he [TS]

  put like the UK keyboards [TS]

  yeah you said throwing the mighty mice [TS]

  in there the they come with the mice you [TS]

  don't need that but it's like where you [TS]

  like the the things that that not [TS]

  everyone needs so you put the UK [TS]

  keyboard maybe the trackpad yeah you put [TS]

  it start with ipod Sox anyway is it [TS]

  seemed clear that at the very least in [TS]

  the back of the apple stores where [TS]

  there's not a lot of room because i have [TS]

  tons of stuff back there I'm sure they [TS]

  definitely pack them in like that and I [TS]

  imagine a lot of them are ship like that [TS]

  but apparently not all enough [TS]

  alright moving on a joe massey Lottie i [TS]

  hope i pronounced that right [TS]

  Rodan and he said casey discuss how [TS]

  Moxon Swift can only be created the [TS]

  language allows them i disagree that [TS]

  mocks can only be created by subclassing [TS]

  actually i think that is an anti-pattern [TS]

  he continued mocks me created by having [TS]

  the class conform to a protocol or if [TS]

  you're a c-sharp guy like me and [TS]

  interface this can be done inside your [TS]

  own framework in for apples as well for [TS]

  example you can box and mock nsurl [TS]

  session by adding a new protocol URL [TS]

  session then be a protocol extensions [TS]

  you can have nsurl session conform to [TS]

  your framework as long as you keep the [TS]

  method signatures the same Swift will [TS]

  compile without issue i wrote about this [TS]

  extensively on my blog and we will put a [TS]

  link in the show notes i believe i don't [TS]

  think that's entirely accurate what I [TS]

  said what I said was that it's really a [TS]

  lot easier if you do interface or [TS]

  protocol review program two interfaces [TS]

  or protocols because then mocking [TS]

  becomes a lot easier and I said that to [TS]

  Joe privately in an email he actually [TS]

  just wrote back and said in so many [TS]

  words yeah you know you were on the same [TS]

  page [TS]

  actually let me read from his email [TS]

  designed to interface was great until [TS]

  you end up with interfaces are protocols [TS]

  with a single and implementation your [TS]

  production code switch solution proposed [TS]

  almost forces this not sure if this is [TS]

  tangential to the initial argument but [TS]

  it's something i'm struggling with which [TS]

  is a very fair point there's a lot of [TS]

  times that I've written two interfaces [TS]

  specifically to enable really easy [TS]

  mocking for my unit tests but in my [TS]

  actual code there's only one [TS]

  implementation of that interface and [TS]

  that's the 1i use so it's a little bit [TS]

  weird and dodgy but you can check out [TS]

  his blog post and kind of see for [TS]

  yourself [TS]

  yeah I would forget about protocol [TS]

  extensions like has this clear that i [TS]

  actually using swifter just reading back [TS]

  and I'm mailing list like oh yeah [TS]

  protocol extensions they're neat they're [TS]

  useful even those whole sessions that we [TS]

  don't see about them they're already [TS]

  like it's just if you're not used to [TS]

  working that we're thinking in that way [TS]

  just you know not didn't occur to me but [TS]

  yet that's that's totally possible [TS]

  that's the way to do it and I did I [TS]

  wouldn't bother me if I had a thing with [TS]

  only one implementation I wouldn't [TS]

  bother me at all [TS]

  yeah i mean in my extensive experience [TS]

  with both swim and marks and general [TS]

  testing [TS]

  I agree thanks Marco [TS]

  go team alright we have a lot of [TS]

  follow-up about blue light and a lot of [TS]

  a lot of people have written about this [TS]

  I don't think I'm the best of the three [TS]

  of us to summarize this so I don't know [TS]

  if one of you wants to [TS]

  take the following handle this for [TS]

  watching because because it was what I [TS]

  said that was partially and it's not [TS]

  entirely wrong [TS]

  so basically last last we talking about [TS]

  the flux / night shift claims of blue [TS]

  light at night being bad for your sleep [TS]

  quality i had said that I was not able [TS]

  to find in my research before the show I [TS]

  was not able to find connections that [TS]

  said blue light specifically was bad but [TS]

  I was finding was saying that just like [TS]

  a bright light was bad and that [TS]

  negatively affects the quality but the [TS]

  blue light didn't seem to be anything [TS]

  special [TS]

  turns out that's totally wrong but [TS]

  there's actually quite a bit of evidence [TS]

  to suggest that all brightness of light [TS]

  does negatively affect your sleep [TS]

  quality by basically trick your body [TS]

  into not producing melatonin I believe [TS]

  because you're part of sleep cycle and [TS]

  everything and it doesn't produce enough [TS]

  of it doesn't produce it correctly or [TS]

  tricks the circadian rhythms are some [TS]

  stuff is way above way above our pay [TS]

  grade here but looking at any kind of [TS]

  bright light before bed will cause this [TS]

  problem but the there's a point in the [TS]

  blue spectrum in fact that we don't know [TS]

  from from dr. Todd stefancik was very [TS]

  specifically identified it there because [TS]

  there's a there's a there's there are [TS]

  three different kinds of things i think [TS]

  the rods and cones in the aisles there's [TS]

  also there's a third kind of kind of [TS]

  light-sensitive cells thing back there [TS]

  that is specifically not for vision but [TS]

  it's it's to regulate this melatonin [TS]

  type thing for the sleep cycle and for [TS]

  the for the circadian rhythms and all [TS]

  the stuff please forgive me for [TS]

  butchering this but anyway this third [TS]

  kind of of light receptor back in your [TS]

  in our eyes [TS]

  it has a peak sensitivity at 479 [TS]

  nanometers which is so it's basically [TS]

  the shade of blue and that is like the [TS]

  peak sensitivity so that if you get a [TS]

  lot of light on that it activates the [TS]

  cells the most and that inhibits the [TS]

  melatonin and everything else into into [TS]

  like telling your body hates time for [TS]

  sleep but it isn't this like narrow [TS]

  window where if you just don't see that [TS]

  shade you're fine that she just the peak [TS]

  of sensitivity and as you get further [TS]

  away from that wavelength in either [TS]

  direction sensitivity drops [TS]

  it still works so if you if you reduce [TS]

  the blue area of the blue range of the [TS]

  spectrum you can see more brightness [TS]

  without it being a problem whereas if we [TS]

  see so if you see like if if brightness [TS]

  is fixed seeing blue is worse than [TS]

  seeing other colors you know for [TS]

  therefore they're far away from that but [TS]

  you still ideally should be lowering the [TS]

  entire light level that's that's [TS]

  basically just a bit so that overall [TS]

  brightness is a problem but you're extra [TS]

  sensitive to this to the blue region at [TS]

  night was another another doctor [TS]

  professor of neurology it was more kinda [TS]

  we said that you basically got it [TS]

  exactly right but the same thing you [TS]

  know that light can just a circadian [TS]

  rhythms but there's a particular [TS]

  sensitivity to the blue light lots of [TS]

  people sent us the study showing the [TS]

  particular sensitivity the blue light [TS]

  but that all I'd counts for that this [TS]

  had one extra little nugget of the [TS]

  saying that [TS]

  another benefit of reducing the amount [TS]

  of blue light at night time is it helps [TS]

  the rods and your eyes they adapted to [TS]

  the dark that way when you look up from [TS]

  the screen like trip over something in [TS]

  your dark house yet and that he'd be he [TS]

  likened it to like like why is why i [TS]

  like the military stuff is all like red [TS]

  light allegedly was what is that true or [TS]

  is that a minute i always thought that [TS]

  might have been a metal now we have a [TS]

  professor of neurology says it's true so [TS]

  it's probably true that no I can tell [TS]

  you i have been on a military vessel [TS]

  when it was out at night and I can [TS]

  absolutely tell you with for a fact that [TS]

  is true so was everyone just fall asleep [TS]

  all-timer know what I mean is that [TS]

  there's red everywhere it is keeping [TS]

  your eyes adjusted the same as the [TS]

  pirate eye patch all over again [TS]

  you know the what pirate eye patch [TS]

  come on people is that like would you [TS]

  close one eye when you go to the [TS]

  bathroom and nights them you can open it [TS]

  when you turn the light off and see your [TS]

  way back [TS]

  yes why the Pirates of the eyepatch so [TS]

  when they go belowdecks where there's no [TS]

  lights because there's an electricity on [TS]

  their pirate ships they could flip up [TS]

  the eye patch and that i can adjust to [TS]

  the dark and i can see better [TS]

  I didn't know that thats crazy if I when [TS]

  I all I didn't I had no idea never [TS]

  thought about a pirate needing an eye [TS]

  patch before that parents there to the [TS]

  saltines lot of parkour oh yeah our [TS]

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  our show so we should probably do a [TS]

  little bit of follow-up about my imac so [TS]

  where we last left our hero he had a [TS]

  completely dead eye mac that he could [TS]

  not resuscitate in the genius bar [TS]

  appointment for I think the following [TS]

  day on that bombshell on that bombshell [TS]

  right in talking with the another friend [TS]

  of mine he pointed out to me you know [TS]

  you could just return this and I thought [TS]

  you know what I shall I think we talked [TS]

  about on the show actually and I thought [TS]

  you know what i am going to return it [TS]

  because this thing is going to be [TS]

  forever tainted in my mind if I try to [TS]

  get it repaired and they have to crack [TS]

  it open so the following day I cancelled [TS]

  my genius bar appointment i went and [TS]

  returned it and I boxed it up all nicely [TS]

  in the retail box the trapezoidal retail [TS]

  box I've done what I could to get it all [TS]

  back together as cleanly as I possibly [TS]

  could I brought it into the store and [TS]

  the gentleman on this on the store floor [TS]

  what happened to walk up to said okay I [TS]

  can handle that return for you you know [TS]

  why you're turning it over it's [TS]

  basically do a oh that sucks okay no [TS]

  worries [TS]

  alright i just got you open it up and [TS]

  confirm the serial number to make sure [TS]

  you know this now I'm kind of feeling in [TS]

  the lengths but to make sure that you're [TS]

  not doing a bait-and-switch or anything [TS]

  like that so he says I'm going to open [TS]

  it up and take it out i'm gonna turn it [TS]

  on [TS]

  oh because he wanted to go into like [TS]

  about my mac in see you then and see the [TS]

  serial number and realized hmm that's [TS]

  not going to work now is it [TS]

  he starts looking and I start looking on [TS]

  the back of the mac trying to find a [TS]

  printed serial number and me having [TS]

  never owned an imac before I had assumed [TS]

  that's where it would be [TS]

  it's not he goes and takes this thing to [TS]

  the back to where like I guess the [TS]

  off-duty geniuses are maybe some of the [TS]

  on-duty geniuses to try to get them to [TS]

  help him figure out where the craft [TS]

  serial number is do either of you guys [TS]

  know where the serial number on the imax [TS]

  are a little metal plate on the [TS]

  dashboard we know where to find a higher [TS]

  pressure now we know where to find that [TS]

  the number of members and all sorts of [TS]

  weird places there are no I i would [TS]

  imagine my I mean like where could it [TS]

  possibly be right the only place you [TS]

  could possibly be is what opens up on [TS]

  the imac it's the memory [TS]

  door opens up right that's the only [TS]

  thing that opens and other than that i'm [TS]

  sure it's printed somewhere like on the [TS]

  motherboard or whatever but you gotta [TS]

  take the whole thing apart to see that [TS]

  too and I wouldn't think it'd be in the [TS]

  memory door because I mean that you can [TS]

  take off so that's that's no good i [TS]

  would i would guess it's printed [TS]

  somewhere on the metal but God knows [TS]

  where I mean well that's the thing so I [TS]

  didn't know any better have never had an [TS]

  imac it turns out on the bottom of the [TS]

  foot sneaky was it is it was a sticker [TS]

  on the bottle of water retention to the [TS]

  metal and i believe it was printed on [TS]

  the metal though i don't recall off the [TS]

  top of my head and what I'm like that [TS]

  just occurred to me just this moment how [TS]

  does that work for like snails imac that [TS]

  had the visa mount good question [TS]

  it's maybe it's on the Mount itself [TS]

  because like there is like a little [TS]

  thing back there that would have [TS]

  amounted it's gonna be in more than one [TS]

  place but either way so that took a few [TS]

  minutes to get through which was not a [TS]

  big deal i mean i was just as confused [TS]

  as the dude was and you know perhaps the [TS]

  guy should have known it but I mean I [TS]

  didn't so I can't really blame him [TS]

  so anyway so it ended up that they [TS]

  returned it no questions asked [TS]

  and you know once they had somehow [TS]

  someway confirm the serial number and [TS]

  then I had already at that point ordered [TS]

  a new one and the other thing that I [TS]

  wanted to tell you guys about which was [TS]

  a new discovery for me did you know [TS]

  about expedited shipping on the apple [TS]

  store is is this one when we were [TS]

  yelling at you last week like to pick [TS]

  the expensive shipping whenever if i'm [TS]

  buying something they cost like multiple [TS]

  thousands of dollars and I can get it [TS]

  like next day for like an extra 40 bucks [TS]

  i will even though it makes no sense i [TS]

  would I don't do that in normal stuff it [TS]

  was 40 bucks to get like a shirt the [TS]

  next day I wouldn't do it but for some [TS]

  reason that doesn't get the psychology [TS]

  of like the relative pricing works out [TS]

  pricing psychology that's how they [TS]

  charge you 250 dollars floor mats your [TS]

  car you're like whatever [TS]

  exactly yeah it's like if it's like 40 [TS]

  bucks to get my awesome new computer a [TS]

  day earlier i'll usually do it's like [TS]

  that's like the cherry on top [TS]

  you know so i didn't know that this I [TS]

  knew that I could do faster shipping but [TS]

  I didn't look into how much it was well [TS]

  now i'm seriously impatient because i [TS]

  just returned that the beautiful 5k imac [TS]

  that I was waiting for for a week as i [TS]

  watched in march across the country on [TS]

  fedex ground and this time I was like [TS]

  you know what i'm going to do expanded [TS]

  expedited shipping aren't expecting that [TS]

  this like 20 pound box would be fifty or [TS]

  hundred bucks [TS]

  it was $42 to your point Marco $42 and [TS]

  the best part was it arrived at eight [TS]

  thirty in the morning at my doorstep [TS]

  pro tip if you're going to buy a mac [TS]

  from apple and you're not going to get [TS]

  it retail like a built in order for [TS]

  example definitely definitely definitely [TS]

  do the expedited shipping is that really [TS]

  a pro tip because I think Marco just [TS]

  outlined is the illogical pricing [TS]

  psychology that makes you think that's a [TS]

  good deal when in reality you could take [TS]

  those 42 bucks and spend it on lots of [TS]

  other things like it's 42 it's the same [TS]

  size as if you paid forty dollars to [TS]

  ship end your house but you would never [TS]

  do because the pen costs two bucks but [TS]

  when you're shipping the expensive [TS]

  computer somehow about $42 shipping is [TS]

  totally worth it so i would say get some [TS]

  books on Zen Buddhism from library [TS]

  something and learn some patience and [TS]

  then shipping up because $42 the same [TS]

  size no matter what it's attached to [TS]

  who in their right mind would pay forty [TS]

  dollars shipping to get a packet of [TS]

  saltines [TS]

  from amazon nobody would but my manager [TS]

  $42 and you waited four days for it [TS]

  anyway because you have to spend the [TS]

  weekend terrible nobody like saltines [TS]

  enough to ever do that and also if you [TS]

  ever want saltines you're probably [TS]

  within 50 feet of a store that has some [TS]

  12 month old saltines on the shelf [TS]

  I'm just saying $42 does not change size [TS]

  when you put it next to the price of an [TS]

  expensive computer all the latest for me [TS]

  and I think for Marco too damn it wasn't [TS]

  worth it because my god i'm so glad i [TS]

  did that it's just it's like a little [TS]

  like a little touch of luxury [TS]

  you know like it get it get the extra [TS]

  legroom seat on the plane [TS]

  yeah you know that's 17 inches of luxury [TS]

  don't count that $42 quick shipping did [TS]

  you spend a lot of time convincing [TS]

  yourself to do nice things for yourself [TS]

  buying yourself fancy things that seems [TS]

  like a skill we all have we're all [TS]

  really good at I can't do this you have [TS]

  seminars it Marco said you in the past [TS]

  year the best worst influence anyway my [TS]

  seminar totally have extra legroom seats [TS]

  at the front for an extra twenty twenty [TS]

  bucks so I have talking to you right now [TS]

  from a 5k retina imac this thing is [TS]

  magnificent [TS]

  to recap i had bought the mid-range one [TS]

  because it was the crummiest one that [TS]

  could support the one terabyte SSD which [TS]

  is what I got I got it with eight gigs [TS]

  of ram and then immediately for this one [TS]

  had put in 32 gigs or a other world [TS]

  computing mac sales whatever they call [TS]

  themselves ram so it's a one terabyte [TS]

  drive 32 gigs ram the 4 gigahertz [TS]

  processor and i'm in love couple of [TS]

  quick immediate thoughts for those who [TS]

  may be like me and leading a laptop [TS]

  behind or considering leaving a laptop [TS]

  behind [TS]

  oh my god 27 inches is magnificent and i [TS]

  have never looked at my 15 inch mac pro [TS]

  and macbook pro and thought oh my god [TS]

  the screen so tiny until it is insane [TS]

  and one of the things that I've noticed [TS]

  as I've gotten really really into i'm [TS]

  using spaces on my mac book pro and I [TS]

  don't use them nearly as heavily here [TS]

  because i have so much freaking real [TS]

  estate i can put a million windows on [TS]

  the screen by a million i mean like five [TS]

  John but i can put a million windows on [TS]

  the same screen and have them tiled and [TS]

  not feel over [TS]

  and it's magnificent welcome Casey I'm [TS]

  welcome to eat [TS]

  i-i've been trying to get you to walk [TS]

  through this door for so long you can [TS]

  only bring the horse to water as I say [TS]

  he believed you don't need help with [TS]

  that [TS]

  so anyway so I the only complaints i [TS]

  have so far [TS]

  first of all I have no good solution for [TS]

  this really but having the ports on the [TS]

  back of a curved surface i'm not really [TS]

  into that it's it's kind of wonky to [TS]

  plug in like a USB key or USB devices [TS]

  I mean not the not a big deal but it's a [TS]

  little wonky than i'm used to on my [TS]

  laptop [TS]

  yes I know first world problems however [TS]

  the SD card slot does not trip my SD [TS]

  cards right protects which like both of [TS]

  my macbook pros did every single time so [TS]

  that's a big win the new magic keyboard [TS]

  whatever they're calling this thing very [TS]

  thin i like it a lot charges be [TS]

  lightning like that a lot [TS]

  that being said this arrow key situation [TS]

  that I thought John was completely over [TS]

  blowing oh god it's the worst but it's [TS]

  the worst having the full height left [TS]

  and right just totally throws off my [TS]

  arrow key game and I just I i know i'm [TS]

  gonna get used to it over time but right [TS]

  now it's driving me up a wall [TS]

  you don't have to get used to it you can [TS]

  buy an apple keyboard with an inverted T [TS]

  that you can feel with your fingers and [TS]

  you never missing everything every [TS]

  single key is full-size it's great [TS]

  yeah or you can you can also get the [TS]

  microsoft sculpt ergonomic keyboard i [TS]

  recommend so much for like 60 bucks and [TS]

  solve this problem really quickly but I [TS]

  blew that on the shipping I couldn't [TS]

  make it out [TS]

  I tried so hard to sell that I love God [TS]

  so anyway so i have just this very [TS]

  moment I have I am tweeting a picture of [TS]

  my setup that I had queued up because I [TS]

  don't want to spoil the fun for those [TS]

  who was alive and I am really digging [TS]

  this i think i mentioned last episode [TS]

  that i have cleaned up my office quite a [TS]

  bit my desk used to be a total disaster [TS]

  and now it actually looks nice and clean [TS]

  the floor you can actually see now which [TS]

  is really exciting so I'm feeling good [TS]

  I'm feeling like this is a fresh start [TS]

  i I just I'm so happy I'm just so happy [TS]

  you finally are on some [TS]

  being real what come on no i mean like [TS]

  it look I did the the you know 15 inch [TS]

  laptop with the second monitor on a desk [TS]

  thing for years and it's fine and but if [TS]

  you can do this instead [TS]

  this is better and it's not a little bit [TS]

  better as a lot better yeah yeah it's so [TS]

  far so good i really like it and I [TS]

  haven't yet missed having a laptop give [TS]

  me time I might but I mean we have [TS]

  enough other laptops that aren't quite [TS]

  as new but we have enough father laptop [TS]

  sliding around between my work laptop [TS]

  which actually is fairly new my personal [TS]

  laptop which I'm thinking about putting [TS]

  a really tiny SSD and even though it's [TS]

  from 2011 [TS]

  you know you could probably get a nasty [TS]

  pic yeah i'm thinking like a hundred [TS]

  like 6420 guess he would be more than [TS]

  enough for an occasional computer but [TS]

  yeah it's the I'm so far I'm really [TS]

  enjoying it so far I'm really really [TS]

  really happy and we'll see what happens [TS]

  i know for some people this is like [TS]

  completely old and boring news but [TS]

  there's a lot of people in fact most [TS]

  people that I know are full-time laptop [TS]

  users and so if you're one of those [TS]

  people like I was until just this past [TS]

  Monday you know i mean it doesn't have [TS]

  to be that way be there there are and i [TS]

  would say i would say they're greener [TS]

  pastures but there are their larger less [TS]

  portable pastors yes Harold Herman less [TS]

  portable fasters around so yeah that's [TS]

  my follow-up about that but also i mean [TS]

  like if anybody is is thinking like oh [TS]

  why are they talking about one person's [TS]

  computer choice you would be amazed how [TS]

  much email we get and how many tweets we [TS]

  get from people asking what computers we [TS]

  use or what they should buy or asking us [TS]

  to talk more about this kind of stuff [TS]

  this is the kind of thing a lot of [TS]

  people care about this and I do too i'm [TS]

  one of those people that's why i love [TS]

  talking about this stuff yet completely [TS]

  we got one of those emails the earlier [TS]

  today in fact so that's the deal but [TS]

  it's so far so good so far [TS]

  two thumbs up on the imac John any [TS]

  thoughts I think your keyboards to hi [TS]

  I'm concerned about you but it's like so [TS]

  this is one of the things when you're [TS]

  switching from laptop to I mean I get it [TS]

  depends on what you doing love if you [TS]

  literally put your laptop on your lap [TS]

  and then you can pretty easily have your [TS]

  arms at a right angle while you're [TS]

  typing but if you're sitting at a desk [TS]

  the way most people said to death like [TS]

  with the chair and desk I'd like a [TS]

  typical chair and desk height the [TS]

  keyboard is way too high so you either [TS]

  need to raise your chair is your [TS]

  family's the monitors problem [TS]

  too low and then you need to raise your [TS]

  monitor or you need to lower your [TS]

  keyboard by using a keyboard tray or [TS]

  something like that so I'm concerned [TS]

  that if you're going to use the computer [TS]

  for a long time you may be in a [TS]

  different position than you are with [TS]

  your laptop now if you're using your [TS]

  laptop on top of the same desk in the [TS]

  same position and you already have that [TS]

  problem i'm just saying I think your [TS]

  keyboards to i am also concerned about [TS]

  you hanging your headphones on the arm [TS]

  for migrating like putting undue stress [TS]

  on the arm and you're failing yourself [TS]

  as a left-side doc user which is hey I'm [TS]

  left side doc user and also leaves now [TS]

  that looks like the road boom arm it and [TS]

  the road podcaster is way heavier than [TS]

  the combination of those headphones and [TS]

  microphone now what's wrong with you are [TS]

  you a doctor on the bottom kind of guy [TS]

  you're right side can i wish the doc [TS]

  didn't exist kind of guy was right in [TS]

  his old-school given that's the case [TS]

  where do you keep your doc John like on [TS]

  laptops i keep it on the right because [TS]

  the screens too damn small and you can't [TS]

  do it and on desktops with the [TS]

  experience and keep it on the bottom and [TS]

  i grumble about it but the class is [TS]

  nothing left his madness [TS]

  ok so the reason i have it on the left [TS]

  is a holdover from my laptop days but [TS]

  generally speaking I would have in any [TS]

  of my working environments be at work or [TS]

  home or what have you [TS]

  I always have the laptop directly in [TS]

  front of me and and then I would have an [TS]

  external monitor to the right of the [TS]

  laptop and thus the doc was on the [TS]

  leftmost edge of my to screen setup I [TS]

  guess alternatively I could have done [TS]

  the exact same thing and had it on the [TS]

  far right side of the external monitor [TS]

  but I've just always liked it on the [TS]

  left and it seems insane to me and to [TS]

  your point more so on laptops and [TS]

  desktops but on these widescreen [TS]

  displays why in god's green earth would [TS]

  you keep the dock on the bottom and i [TS]

  should also note that mine otto heights [TS]

  which will probably drive you crazy as [TS]

  well yeah i'm not a fan of our holiday [TS]

  you keep it on the bottom because once [TS]

  the screen is humongous it's not like [TS]

  it's really eating into screen like oh [TS]

  yeah it is wider than it is tall but [TS]

  this thing is so freaking big like it's [TS]

  not like you're you're eating up the [TS]

  space so it's fine and the bottom is [TS]

  wider because if you have lots of stuff [TS]

  in your dock whether it's lots of dr. [TS]

  items or lots of applications it it's [TS]

  more room for them to line up and start [TS]

  drinking right so yeah I guess so i [TS]

  don't i'm a left kind of guy I'm with [TS]

  you on that Casey solidarity in the left [TS]

  my [TS]

  look I so wish we didn't have to run the [TS]

  doctor because the one like one of the [TS]

  few handful remaining persistent OS 10 [TS]

  things that annoy me like because I run [TS]

  drag thing and i would only run drag [TS]

  during if I could but notification still [TS]

  can only be received by the dock and [TS]

  notifications are important enough to [TS]

  see the little badge on an icon to see [TS]

  little bounce and drag think at them and [TS]

  only the dock and so I'm forced to run [TS]

  the doctor and I could hide the doc but [TS]

  I don't like having to go down there [TS]

  when a little thing pops up and you can [TS]

  if you hide the doc you can't see badges [TS]

  like slack dispatches it doesn't bounce [TS]

  and I don't like bouncing it's just it's [TS]

  an uncomfortable situation with the dock [TS]

  where I wish I didn't have to run it but [TS]

  I do and it seems like that's never [TS]

  gonna change how anyway at the dock i [TS]

  think is the right either written many [TS]

  times I think the doctors at this point [TS]

  the right choice for most people but for [TS]

  me specifically i really wish there was [TS]

  some way i didn't have to run it [TS]

  i should also note just to really drive [TS]

  me up a wall that i also use [TS]

  magnification and I like it [TS]

  nice pick whatever i would go that far [TS]

  but I respect you for being that guy [TS]

  that's yeah I am that guy left side [TS]

  auto-hide magnifying god it's like it's [TS]

  like you're I was gonna say it's like [TS]

  your new mac user but you are you [TS]

  actually mean there's a different time [TS]

  scale joke here somewhere [TS]

  alright well what else is awesome these [TS]

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  alright so there's been some news from i [TS]

  ad which is something i didn't think I'd [TS]

  ever really care enough to say this show [TS]

  but there's been some things going on [TS]

  and there was an announcement this week [TS]

  so tell me about that one of you i was [TS]

  confusing because I originally had this [TS]

  in the notes i read their part like and [TS]

  I don't care about i add it doesn't [TS]

  really affect my life at all i don't [TS]

  really have apps that use it i'm not [TS]

  develop writing but like oh yeah I had a [TS]

  still thing and this is little tiny [TS]

  announcement and it's like I guess [TS]

  everyone just read it quickly was [TS]

  confused it's like a paragraph long i [TS]

  had appt network will be discontinuous [TS]

  the headline i dapped network will be [TS]

  discontinued as of jun 30th 2016 blah [TS]

  blah blah like a paragraph text i know i [TS]

  guess there are they not doing I anymore [TS]

  well whatever they were never good at it [TS]

  didn't seem like ads didn't seem like [TS]

  apples hardware it wasn't ads or [TS]

  whatever but I and many other people [TS]

  miss that second word in there i add app [TS]

  network not i ad itself as a concept but [TS]

  the i ad appened work which is a way [TS]

  that you can advertise apps in the App [TS]

  Store through I ads they're not doing [TS]

  that anymore but i ad is still going to [TS]

  be a thing and I guess we can continue [TS]

  to go back and you know we go back to [TS]

  ignoring it like we always did that was [TS]

  actually kind of hoping i was kinda [TS]

  disappointed but I learned that they're [TS]

  only talking about the thing that lets [TS]

  you advertise apps that are in the app [TS]

  store through I at i wish the whole [TS]

  thing would go away because as far as [TS]

  I'm concerned it's not like a value-add [TS]

  it like to me as a user I don't care [TS]

  that Apple has an advertising thing that [TS]

  would let people sell ads on like you [TS]

  may say oh it enables people to have [TS]

  free apps in the App Store but i don't [TS]

  really don't think people need more [TS]

  is that free apps in the App Store I [TS]

  don't think that I ads are particularly [TS]

  better than other kinds of ads maybe [TS]

  they are maybe I don't buy enough apps [TS]

  with ads maybe apples as really are [TS]

  experiencing as they say and you know so [TS]

  much better note but just it just [TS]

  doesn't appeal to me it doesn't make me [TS]

  feel better about Apple's the company [TS]

  and I would be glad if they said you [TS]

  know what that I happy we're doing [TS]

  forget it we're just not doing it all [TS]

  anymore we're going to face it up [TS]

  instead their spacing out this small [TS]

  component of it so I actually kind of [TS]

  disappointed that my miss reading of [TS]

  this announcement is not what's actually [TS]

  going on [TS]

  yeah i mean i had is is a weird bees and [TS]

  obviously it has not gone the way Apple [TS]

  hope that would I mean keep in mind when [TS]

  they first made this they were showing [TS]

  off those fancy like nissan the nissan [TS]

  leaf the the one of the first ads for [TS]

  that was like all interactive and you [TS]

  tap it and you spin the car around all [TS]

  this crap and and like that they were [TS]

  envisioning this very very expensive and [TS]

  kind of like you know clean ad format [TS]

  that almost immediately flopped i mean [TS]

  like i don't think they got past I I [TS]

  also don't think they got past their [TS]

  launch partners on it like i don't think [TS]

  they ever had any other ads that were [TS]

  that fancy like super interactive kind [TS]

  after the launch partners that it's like [TS]

  the pipe dream of advertisers thinking [TS]

  that you're going to be spending time [TS]

  like it if you like like using their [TS]

  like you you will sit there and [TS]

  willingly interact with an ad like oh I [TS]

  can spend anything like that is a [TS]

  fantasy isn't this fun I'm engaging all [TS]

  over your brand right like I mean there [TS]

  are ways to get people to do things but [TS]

  it has to be like you have to have like [TS]

  a you know a funny viral video or a game [TS]

  or whatever but the idea that someone [TS]

  can be so interested in the nissan leaf [TS]

  that it that add that pops up in an iOS [TS]

  app and add in an iOS app you want to [TS]

  have to do something and these only pops [TS]

  up on your screen or like you know what [TS]

  I was gonna do something we spent 10 [TS]

  minutes [TS]

  tapping around inside this interactive [TS]

  add that is that is a fantasy of an [TS]

  advertising person who's just has [TS]

  convinced themselves that people are [TS]

  gonna I mean unless you're giving them [TS]

  free money or at your you know like it [TS]

  is there's a limited number of ways to [TS]

  actually get the interaction interaction [TS]

  and all of them are pretty terrible and [TS]

  so trying to make a classy nice one like [TS]

  it if someone really interesting sound [TS]

  like they're going to like go to the [TS]

  Nissan website or maybe they'll download [TS]

  the Nissan app or something but the [TS]

  shores hold on [TS]

  going to take a break from going to play [TS]

  the game they were going to play or [TS]

  whatever application that were using and [TS]

  derail themselves and interact with your [TS]

  dad so I at that just seemed doomed from [TS]

  the start [TS]

  well and you know not only was it was it [TS]

  because you know the advertiser pipe [TS]

  dream [TS]

  I think moreover it was apple's pipe [TS]

  dream that this is the kind of thing [TS]

  advertisers would actually do and would [TS]

  want in the in a way that would be [TS]

  compatible with what Apple one you like [TS]

  what Apple wanted from me and from what [TS]

  I hope we all her life from the stories [TS]

  of the time basically Apple wanted tons [TS]

  of control [TS]

  wait huge by ends up front like you know [TS]

  from big brand companies you know brand [TS]

  advertising well you know kokanee zono [TS]

  not like not like small stuff that would [TS]

  advertise on podcast you know big stuff [TS]

  whatever has become TV like that's that [TS]

  kind of stuff and and that and imagine [TS]

  like working with Apple as an advertiser [TS]

  like that is not compatible look at you [TS]

  know Apple wants a certain degree of [TS]

  control and everything and and like the [TS]

  fact is like ads in order in order for [TS]

  ads to work they have to do things that [TS]

  conflict with what Apple does most of [TS]

  the time you know it only takes like if [TS]

  advertisers looking at a bunch of [TS]

  possible platform that can advertise on [TS]

  and I well we can work with apple and [TS]

  spend a ton of money for an ad that gets [TS]

  you no exclusivity or we can make our [TS]

  own and put it on these many other [TS]

  mobile ad networks that is maybe a [TS]

  little bit more annoying little more [TS]

  flashy or a little bit less user polite [TS]

  but that'll get twice the click-through [TS]

  rate and twice a conversion rate because [TS]

  it because it turns out being annoying [TS]

  works and not just a little not just a [TS]

  little bit but a lot like yeah the the [TS]

  race the bottom advertising like you [TS]

  know it is a reason you know the one [TS]

  weird trick things are everywhere like [TS]

  you just go right to the bottom like [TS]

  what are the base brainstem like [TS]

  reaction things just be put up a picture [TS]

  of a pretty lady you put up a gross [TS]

  thing you put out at ease about [TS]

  celebrities but you know stupid boxes [TS]

  that are the bottom of every website i'm [TS]

  so depressed when I see them that like I [TS]

  like punch the monkey better than this [TS]

  like the bottom of every website off [TS]

  some days you know nine squares i'm [TS]

  going to tap into the 9 most primal [TS]

  instincts of human beings to get you to [TS]

  click on something and like a scroll [TS]

  down like i'll be reading a website that [TS]

  i think is a good website like [TS]

  not you too really everybody like it's [TS]

  just you know it's just terrible and and [TS]

  those and they do that for a reason [TS]

  because they're effective right and so [TS]

  that's totally like this i'm gonna [TS]

  totally against what Apple wants apple [TS]

  wishes people were different than they [TS]

  are but they are not what people [TS]

  actually click on are one weird trick [TS]

  ads and Apple does not want one of your [TS]

  trigger didn't originally so this [TS]

  utopian vision of is nothing i ad is [TS]

  better [TS]

  probably about keeping out the worst of [TS]

  the worst scammy ads but you know that [TS]

  it's it's a cross purposes the [TS]

  advertisers one effectiveness and Apple [TS]

  wants to not annoy people and those [TS]

  don't really go together right an apple [TS]

  also has no strict privacy controls and [TS]

  advertisers you know for advertisers [TS]

  invading your privacy is very profitable [TS]

  it helps them better target their ads [TS]

  and you know and they even tell [TS]

  themselves better for you but whether [TS]

  you agree is up to you but you know that [TS]

  like that the whole idea of don't know [TS]

  where customers and respect their [TS]

  privacy and we're only going to give you [TS]

  access to this little sandbox of [TS]

  information and you're only allowed to [TS]

  do things like that goes against what [TS]

  every advertiser wants and what many [TS]

  other ad networks would demand so the [TS]

  only ways to make this work would really [TS]

  be if they banned any other kind of ad [TS]

  network from running on iOS which they [TS]

  could do that [TS]

  I'm surprised they didn't do that I [TS]

  honestly I am too but they could do that [TS]

  no question but I and maybe they will in [TS]

  the future i doubt it but they could it [TS]

  would be a little hard to enforce you [TS]

  start getting into getting the questions [TS]

  like maybe like what doesn't add but a [TS]

  preview has never tried away from [TS]

  Gregory's and difficult distinction know [TS]

  that would make it also means all the [TS]

  advertisers to become expression of cash [TS]

  instead of only fifteen percent of them [TS]

  so I had you know it started out this [TS]

  way with this like fancy news only stuff [TS]

  it very very quickly did not fill up [TS]

  with those things and instead started [TS]

  flowing up with crap your ads your [TS]

  earlier point is is I think fair of like [TS]

  why they even run this at all and it [TS]

  does i've also heard from developers [TS]

  that complaints that the filtrate was [TS]

  never very good and i add and so the [TS]

  filtrate for people who aren't in this [TS]

  business is literally just like you know [TS]

  if you have a you have a nap and you [TS]

  have a Naiad back [TS]

  they're in the app what percentage of [TS]

  the times i had actually have an ad to [TS]

  serve in there and if they don't have an [TS]

  ad to serve in there it's just like [TS]

  blank you know so what percentage of [TS]

  time to actually have something and you [TS]

  as the a publisher want that to be a [TS]

  hundred percent or at least as close as [TS]

  you can get to a hundred percent the i [TS]

  add people basically have never had that [TS]

  kind of Hillary's first 100 stupid and [TS]

  so what usually happens if you're [TS]

  implementing i add usually you have so [TS]

  you have a fallback network where you [TS]

  can supply to the ipod thing you can say [TS]

  if you don't have an ad show this and [TS]

  then there you put in another ad network [TS]

  that will probably have something to [TS]

  show there for you [TS]

  so on one hand I can see I can you can [TS]

  say like if you can think about why [TS]

  Apple might want to keep i add to me the [TS]

  biggest argument is they think it's like [TS]

  the lesser of the two evils were like [TS]

  well if you're gonna if you're going to [TS]

  have ad supported apps which seems to be [TS]

  a common enough thing now that's you [TS]

  know that's that's a given out there [TS]

  there was there was going to be ad [TS]

  supported apps so if there's gonna be a [TS]

  supported apps might as well be are you [TS]

  know nice respectful of your privacy at [TS]

  network rather than someone else's that [TS]

  is the best argument for is still [TS]

  existing but in practice because [TS]

  everyones using these backfield networks [TS]

  in addition to i add weren't even [TS]

  achieve that goal like we're not getting [TS]

  the the nice privacy and everything else [TS]

  that we're not getting that because if [TS]

  you're running ad-supported apps you're [TS]

  running arbitrary code from [TS]

  god-knows-who from the other ad networks [TS]

  that's doing god-knows-what on your [TS]

  phone and at least iOS has things nicely [TS]

  sandbox and everything to make it a [TS]

  little bit harder to to be creepy but [TS]

  you there is still creepiness to be had [TS]

  and so i think the the the theoretical [TS]

  goal of i add being like well better us [TS]

  than them [TS]

  I I don't think works in practice so i [TS]

  think i'm with you John like I don't [TS]

  really see why they keep running it also [TS]

  seems like a lot of previous generation [TS]

  ad network because these days the thing [TS]

  to do is not know and we all know about [TS]

  native advertising but like that the [TS]

  in-between where it's not completely [TS]

  native advertising but it's like in the [TS]

  flow of what you normally doing it's not [TS]

  a banner on the top or bottom of the [TS]

  page while the rest of your app can use [TS]

  business if your if your app has any [TS]

  of timeline for example the ads we put [TS]

  in the timeline like Instagram ads they [TS]

  just appeared to be another picture but [TS]

  oh well my friend suddenly became better [TS]

  photographers oh it's an ad [TS]

  it's not a banner that appears coming [TS]

  down from the top of the instagram app [TS]

  are you using it that's the old model [TS]

  like you wanted to be integrated so not [TS]

  everyone has an appt it's like that [TS]

  obviously they can't work for games and [TS]

  stuff like that although actually can [TS]

  because you put billboards inside the [TS]

  games do all the stuff like that but [TS]

  flappy bird made all of its money via [TS]

  ads we have that one did have just a [TS]

  little banner but they like advertising [TS]

  that's better integrated into the [TS]

  application is certainly the trend and I [TS]

  a doesn't give you any help there i [TS]

  agree that it's mostly it seems like [TS]

  it's mostly they're just because like [TS]

  hey we want to make it easy as possible [TS]

  for developers to write apps for iOS and [TS]

  since some developers want to be free [TS]

  with ads we provide a way to make ads [TS]

  hot and you don't like it do your own [TS]

  way but when you're starting out as a [TS]

  developer in the same way that you may [TS]

  not have credit card processing setup [TS]

  and it be able to deal with customers [TS]

  and be able to do all the other things [TS]

  hey the app store will do that for you [TS]

  and you want to put ads don't worry [TS]

  about negotiating a deal with network if [TS]

  I will do all that for you like it seems [TS]

  like a sort of starter kit training [TS]

  wheels type thing that also happens to [TS]

  give Apple a little bit of control but [TS]

  the fact that it's not super popular [TS]

  means that i don't see it evolving into [TS]

  a more sophisticated framework for for [TS]

  you know like so you have a timeline a [TS]

  peers in wvc session how you use the IM [TS]

  network to have native advertising [TS]

  filling in your application instead of [TS]

  just having banners above and below and [TS]

  stuff and i don't i just it just seems [TS]

  like one of those products that apple [TS]

  doesn't really seem to care about that's [TS]

  not important to the company that's [TS]

  probably not going to get a lot of [TS]

  attention that the only announcement is [TS]

  is a paragraph little thing saying you [TS]

  can advertise your apps and it anymore [TS]

  it's just it just doesn't seem like a [TS]

  winner if they're going to keep doing i [TS]

  add they should go all the way they [TS]

  should be another other ad networks and [TS]

  make i add so good that actually works [TS]

  but it now they have this weird like [TS]

  kind of you know [TS]

  half-butted way of doing it with like [TS]

  it's just kind of like well we have this [TS]

  thing it mostly sucks [TS]

  you can also do other things and [TS]

  everyone whoever tries both will end up [TS]

  doing this other thing because it's [TS]

  gonna be way better than us i think that [TS]

  the they can't [TS]

  go back and close the door on your [TS]

  property as now because i think they [TS]

  would put the method even bigger [TS]

  competitive disadvantage against android [TS]

  you're probably right you know you're [TS]

  like it's maybe when when android was [TS]

  really weak and they were the big game [TS]

  in town they could have set a precedent [TS]

  like they did with so many of the their [TS]

  strong arm app store things right but at [TS]

  this point like it's too late the the [TS]

  the horses out can't close the bond or [TS]

  whatever you know what it is right [TS]

  our last bunch of this week is mail [TS]

  route gonna mail route dotnet / ATP for [TS]

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  departments are expected to do more in [TS]

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  this includes the really important stuff [TS]

  like stopping spam and virus attacks vol [TS]

  announcements for trust hardware and [TS]

  software options make the decisions more [TS]

  difficult first posting went away now MX [TS]

  logic now if you knew when either of [TS]

  those things were who can you trust to [TS]

  replace them who can you trust you this [TS]

  job well and stick around [TS]

  try mail route mail route will protect [TS]

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  service for filtering spam and viruses [TS]

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  and it's all designed to make your life [TS]

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  their account that's this is an amazing [TS]

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  that's it that's all they do they do it [TS]

  better and they've been doing it longer [TS]

  than anybody else out there go to mail [TS]

  route net / ATP thanks a lot to mail [TS]

  around [TS]

  also I use it myself and I like them [TS]

  alot so check it out mail route that / [TS]

  AP itunes radio that has apparently [TS]

  that's going away ish [TS]

  the free stuff is going away as a [TS]

  listener had supported radio and Apple [TS]

  music we want to know that it is being [TS]

  discontinued starting january twenty [TS]

  eighth which is probably about a week [TS]

  after this show this episode is released [TS]

  additionally with Apple music membership [TS]

  you can access dozens of radio stations [TS]

  handcrafted by our team of music experts [TS]

  commercial-free with unlimited skips so [TS]

  they're kind of pulling on the reins on [TS]

  iTunes radio to do you still have beats [TS]

  one beats one is still free but i guess [TS]

  the other ad-supported I may be boring [TS]

  listening to them maybe it's just that [TS]

  reacting to the market or whatever but [TS]

  it is an excuse to you know I'm not [TS]

  another opportunity to say you know if [TS]

  you pay for Apple music and lots of cool [TS]

  stuff but you're not getting these [TS]

  ad-supported radio stations anymore you [TS]

  just get beats one this one is free even [TS]

  if you're not an apple music subscriber [TS]

  I totally forgot that at iTunes radio [TS]

  was a thing like this this news made no [TS]

  sense to me until just now when I [TS]

  finally remembered oh yeah cuz I thought [TS]

  I added the NSR also like services that [TS]

  you forgot existed that are now being [TS]

  changed or canceled then you're like uh [TS]

  well alright I guess I mean a lot of [TS]

  people were upset about this part of it [TS]

  like I saw people talking about it but I [TS]

  did I did I thought there were some kind [TS]

  of like Apple music like indefinite [TS]

  trial mode but i guess that was just [TS]

  itunes radio which they said was like [TS]

  what a year or two earlier than that was [TS]

  basically the Pandorica loan so that one [TS]

  had like a free ad mode and a paid mode [TS]

  right was there even was a pale moon [TS]

  I don't even remember is it was such a [TS]

  weird kind of half-baked service from [TS]

  for all that time but beats one so Apple [TS]

  music has always been paid only but was [TS]

  beats one allowed to be available for [TS]

  free [TS]

  the chatroom says beats one has always [TS]

  been free i did not realize will never [TS]

  do that [TS]

  me neither now we should do homework [TS]

  from what if you're gonna make it [TS]

  alright [TS]

  your homework is to listen to beats one [TS]

  for a week but no not us for into that [TS]

  part of family music so speaking about [TS]

  things that we know nothing about let's [TS]

  talk about the new Apple music apps a [TS]

  little bit about him i downloaded it I [TS]

  tried to do things with it so they they [TS]

  announced a new version of garageband [TS]

  for iOS which is great you know it looks [TS]

  cool looks interesting for people use [TS]

  graduate [TS]

  on iOS and and they have won a new app [TS]

  called but that was called music memos [TS]

  believe that's right and this app [TS]

  probably makes a lot of sense if you are [TS]

  the type of person who had previously [TS]

  been using the bundled voice memos app [TS]

  to record the little snippets when you [TS]

  get ideas for songs like if you're a [TS]

  musician and you're on-the-go you know I [TS]

  got a little tuna stuck my head in your [TS]

  mind like make a note of it for later [TS]

  rather than calling yourself and leave [TS]

  it on your voicemail which is also a [TS]

  thing that I've heard musicians do you [TS]

  can use the voice memos app that just [TS]

  home a little tune into whatever music [TS]

  memos is an app that says it spreads far [TS]

  as i can tell [TS]

  stop doing that use this happen said [TS]

  because that's what it's made for and [TS]

  you do something into it be there your [TS]

  voice guitar piano and then it will like [TS]

  Otto Otto accompany its accompaniments [TS]

  with it with like their little you know [TS]

  sort of AI tempo matching thing with [TS]

  different kind of music lines and then [TS]

  you can export into GarageBand and gone [TS]

  and I i really have no idea how I would [TS]

  ever use app i probably wouldn't at all [TS]

  but certainly Caldwell road up read [TS]

  about it on I'm or I'll so you should [TS]

  read this article headline is very [TS]

  straight to the point i wrote and [TS]

  published song 30 minutes with apples [TS]

  music mellows so this is clearly a nap [TS]

  with a definite audience that is not me [TS]

  but it seems to me and say my garage [TS]

  brand seems into got me thinking about [TS]

  iOS time in the starting to our area and [TS]

  marcos very specific your iOS devices as [TS]

  a platform for doing audio stuff they [TS]

  seem so perfect because they're small [TS]

  battery-powered they have more than [TS]

  enough cpu power to do most of the [TS]

  things you might do with audio because [TS]

  audio is wimpier like I mean these days [TS]

  you can do amazing video things with [TS]

  audio is wimpy enough that the CPUs in [TS]

  the modern iOS devices absolutely crush [TS]

  it like yet now we can do all sorts of [TS]

  amazing things just a question of screen [TS]

  size and inputs and outputs so every [TS]

  time I see Apple trying to make iOS [TS]

  devices more viable hardware [TS]

  accompaniments to audio things whether [TS]

  it be music or podcasting or whatever I [TS]

  think that's a great move because they [TS]

  just it just seems like such a natural [TS]

  fit and I mean I Marco probably speak to [TS]

  this better than anyone like the [TS]

  frustrations with knowing that the path [TS]

  hours in there that you could do really [TS]

  awesome audio things with iOS except for [TS]

  and i would imagine is usually [TS]

  input/output but maybe you know and and [TS]

  software and the marketplace offer or [TS]

  whatever so yeah basically I mean I this [TS]

  is I i had the same opinion as you love [TS]

  this app like I'm really happy to see [TS]

  apple's doing stuff like this it looks [TS]

  like a great app that I will never use [TS]

  because I don't have that kind of [TS]

  creative talent I wish I did but I don't [TS]

  yeah i mean in general like you know I [TS]

  like that onion think i'm connected [TS]

  where our friend Mike early mentioned [TS]

  that like iOS is like this is like the [TS]

  happening place to be in software right [TS]

  now all the exciting software is [TS]

  happening on iOS all the innovation for [TS]

  the most part is happening in iOS if you [TS]

  want an appt to do something cool on iOS [TS]

  you probably have like at least five or [TS]

  ten different choices for that might be [TS]

  whereas if you're looking for a similar [TS]

  kind of mac app you might have one or [TS]

  two you know iOS is just like where [TS]

  where the action is right now and it's [TS]

  on it is unfortunate that there's so [TS]

  much about iOS that limits or makes it [TS]

  difficult to do certain kinds of of work [TS]

  or certain kinds of like multitasking [TS]

  activities and you know over to overtime [TS]

  they can try to lift those and with [TS]

  varying degrees of success sometimes [TS]

  they work sometimes they don't but iOS [TS]

  is where this kind of stuff happens [TS]

  these days i was thinking about was the [TS]

  new roadmap loopback look back yet so [TS]

  imagine I mean again it's not it's not a [TS]

  hardware issue [TS]

  imagine if you could have an ipad that [TS]

  had the power of audio hijack and loop [TS]

  back like you like Rory were always [TS]

  thinking of going to something we know [TS]

  something about podcasting can we have [TS]

  like a little portable podcasting studio [TS]

  where you can record multiple people you [TS]

  know some of them local some of the [TS]

  remote right i do do like the equivalent [TS]

  of skype called facetime or whatever and [TS]

  record them in their locations and [TS]

  record local you people and then do all [TS]

  the editing for I can you produce a [TS]

  podcast with just an iOS device and [TS]

  hardware wise you totally can there's [TS]

  plenty of storage space for a podcast [TS]

  the the screens are big enough to do [TS]

  editing I Jason recently edited a while [TS]

  the incomparable episodes on audio [TS]

  editor on the pile like this is all [TS]

  possible [TS]

  it's just a question of i/o getting the [TS]

  software out there that can do this and [TS]

  then having some hopefully nice OS [TS]

  support facility for doing all the sort [TS]

  of system level things we just described [TS]

  the roadmaps doing on the Mac where you [TS]

  do have access like a loopback let you [TS]

  make artificial virtual audio devices [TS]

  essentially so you said I want the audio [TS]

  from these three microphones to be [TS]

  presented described as a single input [TS]

  because skype is dumb and just wants a [TS]

  single input really have three people [TS]

  talking here and audio hijack lets you [TS]

  set up audio pipelines from this app to [TS]

  that after this app like so you want to [TS]

  have like a soundboard app where you can [TS]

  insert sounds into the podcast in real [TS]

  time and have the other people who are [TS]

  on the call here at like these are all [TS]

  things we all do today on a mac with [TS]

  their you know why max power form we [TS]

  love them but hardware-wise there's no [TS]

  reason and ipad can do all of that it's [TS]

  just software barriers and then I guess [TS]

  hardware barriers for connectivity like [TS]

  how the hell you gonna hook up all these [TS]

  mics to your thing they'll have [TS]

  lightning connector same out the end [TS]

  it's just some kind of hub or whatever [TS]

  so we seem so close to I mean I know [TS]

  there's tons of things like you know for [TS]

  for music I think it's much better like [TS]

  a musical instrument apps for sequencing [TS]

  things and for performing music on them [TS]

  and for composing songs and garageband [TS]

  don't like music music industry seems [TS]

  better served by then like the the [TS]

  podcasting an issue but it frustrates me [TS]

  because I i still see reasons why video [TS]

  you might need a bit beefier rig to do [TS]

  like video you get the storage [TS]

  requirements much bigger the i/o [TS]

  requirements bigger you probably want [TS]

  more space to do stuff so we're still [TS]

  not quite there but audio we just seemed [TS]

  like eternity on the cusp so I'm really [TS]

  happy that Apple that apple also sees [TS]

  this visit someone said hey what do you [TS]

  think the first new app for iOS the [TS]

  apples going to announce in 2016 [TS]

  I doubt many people would have thought [TS]

  of something like music memos but I'm [TS]

  glad that Apple did because it shows [TS]

  that they understand like the strength [TS]

  of the platform they have and we just [TS]

  just got to keep going and it's got a [TS]

  its going to get down to the OS level [TS]

  and the multitasking level and the you [TS]

  know the the access to audio on the [TS]

  device and then eventually the i/o and I [TS]

  think we all may be five years from now [TS]

  be able to do full podcast recording and [TS]

  production on the go with an ipad [TS]

  but will say that's not what Fraser [TS]

  Spears is doing with canvas with [TS]

  federico vtg it is your recording on the [TS]

  iPad as well I know I believe he does [TS]

  see I thought so too it says in this [TS]

  blog post which will link that we are [TS]

  walking the walk to the show itself is [TS]

  edited and published entirely on iOS [TS]

  using a ferrite which is what Jason [TS]

  Stiles been talking about [TS]

  I thought that they had said that they [TS]

  were also recording on iOS but I'm not a [TS]

  hundred percent sure I know Fraser does [TS]

  i'm not sure if federico does but maybe [TS]

  maybe that's what it is that only [TS]

  Frazier does and that's why didn't say [TS]

  in this blog post and I mean you know I [TS]

  think Apple has view of how the world [TS]

  should be how modern computing should be [TS]

  and what they mean by that is ios and [TS]

  you know and and how how things should [TS]

  be isolated from each other how things [TS]

  should be should be safe and should be [TS]

  you know secure and lock down and if you [TS]

  look at you know the the kind of [TS]

  innovation happens on the mac and on and [TS]

  on on historically on on on on desktop [TS]

  computing it tends to very frequently [TS]

  involves some kind of hack that is just [TS]

  not possible on iOS devices for instance [TS]

  what you're talking about so like if you [TS]

  want to record something for podcasting [TS]

  there are special tools that basically [TS]

  try to do like you know voiceover IP and [TS]

  also record it so that you can use it [TS]

  for podcasting they tend to not be as [TS]

  good as just using skype so whatever one [TS]

  does is we su skype and then we use apps [TS]

  on the mac to record our skype calls [TS]

  that mostly are hacks like that [TS]

  sometimes that they like like PSO is a [TS]

  pretty straightforward recorder because [TS]

  like it can share the input but like [TS]

  what a lot of people do 42 record skype [TS]

  is just use skype call recorder for me [TS]

  can which is a complete hack that is [TS]

  impossible in iOS because it basically [TS]

  like inject itself into skype and [TS]

  records you know that way and on iOS [TS]

  there is a skype app for iOS but you [TS]

  can't record out of it in software the [TS]

  only way to do that would be to have two [TS]

  devices and like to run the audio out [TS]

  from one into some kind of lightning [TS]

  connected USB audio interface which [TS]

  believe me that's a whole world of pain [TS]

  if you I've done that it's not great [TS]

  you know to have like these these weird [TS]

  like cheaply made unreliable seven [TS]

  dollar audio interfaces for [TS]

  for iOS devices that some of which might [TS]

  be able to keep a charge some of which [TS]

  were built they all have these big [TS]

  plastic garbage knobs on them [TS]

  it's a terrible it's like trying to buy [TS]

  a high quality USB hub it's it's very [TS]

  very difficult [TS]

  what you're doing there is you're doing [TS]

  the hardware version you're doing like a [TS]

  reverse reverse skeuomorphic hardware [TS]

  version of audio hijack like you [TS]

  literally connecting boxes with actual [TS]

  wires in the real world instead of [TS]

  dragging and dropping the little boxes [TS]

  and it even things like audio hijack [TS]

  like that you know i think loopback must [TS]

  be using supporting facilities for you [TS]

  know creating virtual devices or [TS]

  something like even os10 like you said a [TS]

  lot of these things that were using [TS]

  READ&WRITE now i'm using color guard [TS]

  right now our kind of hacks that every [TS]

  time I see hacks on any system whether [TS]

  it's always 10 or are you know is we [TS]

  can't really have that whatever it's [TS]

  like the fact that so many people like [TS]

  the fact that people are building [TS]

  businesses selling these hacks which is [TS]

  very difficult to do because you have to [TS]

  be really careful and you can't screw up [TS]

  stuff and like but it shows they're such [TS]

  an incredible market need that software [TS]

  developers are willing to fill that need [TS]

  that is lucrative for them to feel the [TS]

  need even though the super hard work and [TS]

  their stuff brake someone you know Apple [TS]

  changes things out from underneath them [TS]

  it shows that like they're crying out [TS]

  for your OS to have supported facilities [TS]

  for this functionality and so tons of [TS]

  things on iOS that aren't even possible [TS]

  i was wondering like if we can have the [TS]

  hacks is that removing a signal from [TS]

  apple but then I look at the maximum [TS]

  like then I get that signal either it's [TS]

  so clear that we want to do more [TS]

  sophisticated things with audio that [TS]

  like you know that we just named the [TS]

  ECAM and rogue amoeba to businesses [TS]

  basically built on a game sells a lot of [TS]

  things but Romeo built around something [TS]

  audio stuff to do things with your mac [TS]

  that people clearly want to do that [TS]

  they're willing to pay good money for [TS]

  that they have to do is hacks because [TS]

  apple doesn't have a good support a way [TS]

  to do it and it's just the signals just [TS]

  not getting through like they'll have [TS]

  passed on the graph hack see something [TS]

  like this is where people are walking [TS]

  apple-like make pave pay for their paths [TS]

  like it'sit's such as such a clear [TS]

  signal is frustrating to not see them [TS]

  take advantage of my sorry had to reload [TS]

  your connecting up boxes with crappy [TS]

  plastic things [TS]

  no but it like it's what you're saying [TS]

  like this it's exactly its highs in [TS]

  earlier what you're saying with I adware [TS]

  like with i add it's like Apple had this [TS]

  view of how they thought the world was [TS]

  or maybe wishful thinking how they [TS]

  thought the world would become if they [TS]

  would build these you know beautiful [TS]

  you know clean concrete rooms for people [TS]

  to fill with all this respect for your [TS]

  privacy in an industry that just doesn't [TS]

  do that you know Apple thought that the [TS]

  world would adapt to their vision for i [TS]

  ad and it just didn't and that was that [TS]

  was you know kind of a fortune to even [TS]

  think would be would be possible and I [TS]

  think you can look at the bigger picture [TS]

  of how they how they locked down iOS and [TS]

  to an increasing degree the mac but [TS]

  to an increasing degree the mac but [TS]

  the mac is still nowhere near the level [TS]

  of lockdown the iOS and you look at that [TS]

  versus the pressures of us needing some [TS]

  of these hacks to get our work done or [TS]

  to innovate like the so much innovation [TS]

  has happened through hacks like this you [TS]

  know we mentioned you know if you want [TS]

  to go to mention things like Dropbox [TS]

  find integration like all this crazy [TS]

  stuff like that now is either either not [TS]

  possible anymore or harder or more [TS]

  limited as the OS keep getting more and [TS]

  more lockdown enabling these hacks to [TS]

  some degree is very productive and and [TS]

  to some degree necessary for us to get [TS]

  our work done and and to push things [TS]

  forward and like like earlier today I [TS]

  was able to the aftershow and on how i [TS]

  jailbroke two iphones today for the [TS]

  first time in like six years something [TS]

  but you know and it's for the same [TS]

  reason of like Apple has this vision of [TS]

  how things should be and everything is [TS]

  locked out and isolated and it will [TS]

  allegedly worked perfectly and it's the [TS]

  future of computing because they're the [TS]

  ones saying its future computing because [TS]

  certainly for the one talking you're [TS]

  making devices you want to say you're [TS]

  the future of computing and doesn't mean [TS]

  you can save as much as you want doesn't [TS]

  make it true [TS]

  it might become true but there's no [TS]

  guarantee of that but you know they're [TS]

  saying this is the future computing but [TS]

  but they have this very highly [TS]

  opinionated view of them being in [TS]

  extreme control of quite a bit more than [TS]

  what their users can do and and what of [TS]

  course developers can do as well and the [TS]

  reality of that is you have people [TS]

  saying i can't get worked on iOS devices [TS]

  because of reasons XYZ and apples trying [TS]

  to knock those reasons down there trying [TS]

  to solve it they want people to be able [TS]

  to get their work on our house devices [TS]

  but there are these major barriers that [TS]

  apple won't budge on that are just fatal [TS]

  barriers to a lot of these uses podcast [TS]

  recording with skype is yes it's an [TS]

  arrow thing that only podcasters care [TS]

  about but it is a very good [TS]

  representative of the problem as a whole [TS]

  of so much so much of what we do today [TS]

  is like these big private centralized [TS]

  power holders that we have to deal with [TS]

  so in this case skype turns out skype is [TS]

  the best VoIP thing for podcasters to [TS]

  use to communicate with each other while [TS]

  they're recording and if you want to [TS]

  record a skype call you can't sit around [TS]

  and wait for skype to release an iOS app [TS]

  update that will enable recording in [TS]

  their iOS [TS]

  that because they probably will never do [TS]

  it you have no input on that like it [TS]

  that's out of your control as a user or [TS]

  developer what you can do on the mac and [TS]

  you can kind of hack around you can make [TS]

  this work and I was you can't do that [TS]

  that's a big problem right and so you [TS]

  couldn't you couldn't extend this to so [TS]

  many so many problems that chances are [TS]

  like if you look around at you know what [TS]

  any given person does on their mac i bet [TS]

  almost everyone who uses a mac depends [TS]

  on at least one weird hack that is not [TS]

  possible on iOS they depend on that on [TS]

  the mass to do what they need to do and [TS]

  sometimes these are Apple doing this [TS]

  accident because they can do they can [TS]

  have as much as they want sometimes [TS]

  other companies and on the mac we can [TS]

  still do that and iOS we've never been [TS]

  able to and I and that does limit things [TS]

  in the same way that like apples [TS]

  insistence on the app being like the [TS]

  strictly Walt container for your data [TS]

  has been so limiting its so far with iOS [TS]

  and they're starting to break down some [TS]

  of those walls iCloud Drive and stuff [TS]

  but with mysteries of success and and [TS]

  mix degrees of confusion [TS]

  yeah that's the big paradigm switch [TS]

  that's the difficulty of like the [TS]

  monolithic app because like you're [TS]

  saying you're waiting for skype that [TS]

  feature are those people that the apps [TS]

  do say oh this Apple that you record [TS]

  multiple people in the loo voice-over-ip [TS]

  like you have to have one have to do it [TS]

  all because it's not even on the Mac [TS]

  it's still somewhat difficult but at [TS]

  least on the mac historically we've had [TS]

  the ability to mix and match [TS]

  here's the best app for talking to [TS]

  someone over the internet here is the [TS]

  best app for recording here is the best [TS]

  that for editing my podcast here is that [TS]

  you know like that we could that we had [TS]

  job specific apps that you could use to [TS]

  work together to perform a single single [TS]

  job or in iOS it's like well it's kind [TS]

  of easier if you just have one app [TS]

  that's like called podcast recording [TS]

  studio whatever you know that does [TS]

  everything [TS]

  did you know it has to have its own [TS]

  voice over IP client to talk to people [TS]

  remotely has to have its own microphone [TS]

  interfacing thing has to have its own [TS]

  editor has stuff don't be noising filter [TS]

  it's like because if you didn't like are [TS]

  some i have to export the audio because [TS]

  other having read it [TS]

  talking to Stella pockets production [TS]

  he's using some super fancy audio [TS]

  processing program on his mac that is [TS]

  really impressed with it does an amazing [TS]

  job of like intelligently removing noise [TS]

  even better than the ones who is him [TS]

  before he can mix that into his work [TS]

  flow to say oh I [TS]

  i was using this you know I think he's [TS]

  like three different apps for every time [TS]

  you find a better one he just swapped it [TS]

  out and maybe it would be better if [TS]

  there was one being integrated app did [TS]

  everything but then he couldn't like [TS]

  upgraded piecemeal to say this part of [TS]

  my workflow i have just made a lot [TS]

  better and it is kind of frustrating to [TS]

  have to incorporate all those apps [TS]

  together and deal with it you know but [TS]

  like there's advantages and [TS]

  disadvantages and iOS is totally on the [TS]

  you lunch one Apple device becomes that [TS]

  happened that has everything for you and [TS]

  if it doesn't like no one's leaving [TS]

  garageband to go out to some other thing [TS]

  constantly back and forth right it's [TS]

  more of like a bit more of the waterfall [TS]

  model right where but if you're doing [TS]

  the podcast for action is a great [TS]

  example where you'd want with the very [TS]

  least separate the thing that like [TS]

  remotely talks to people whether it's [TS]

  FaceTime audio or skype or whatever like [TS]

  whatever is best for that that is a [TS]

  complicated application in its own right [TS]

  and you're like let that app do what he [TS]

  wants to do i just need to an audio [TS]

  hijack parlance connect the little tube [TS]

  that has the audio coming out of it from [TS]

  whatever happened using fat into this [TS]

  app that's also recording from my local [TS]

  microphones and then i can see the [TS]

  waveforms or whatever anyway we're not [TS]

  there yet and the kind of power that [TS]

  enables is that like loopback the the [TS]

  new agreement remember talking about and [TS]

  and before the audio hijack these are [TS]

  apps that like this can not only make [TS]

  things possible that weren't possible [TS]

  before but this can this can like [TS]

  eliminate the need for hardware but [TS]

  that's that's very powerful especially [TS]

  feels like affordability or just like [TS]

  just speed of deployment and [TS]

  experimentation of things like I mean [TS]

  there are so many I've packed with audio [TS]

  so much and i have a closet full of dumb [TS]

  wires and dumb little boxes that do one [TS]

  stupid thing because there's no software [TS]

  of things to do it like everyone who's [TS]

  ever had to do anything with audio has [TS]

  probably had this experience were all [TS]

  well I could do this just need this one [TS]

  weird cable to go between these two [TS]

  ports to loop this thing into this thing [TS]

  first and i can do this like it's it's a [TS]

  it's a audio is a huge pile of hacks [TS]

  most of which are have been in the past [TS]

  hardware things that you need to buy a [TS]

  management and have on hand and and [TS]

  connect up in certain weird ways and [TS]

  hope nothing breaks and once you get [TS]

  work never touch anything and then we [TS]

  get the software side of this you can [TS]

  let you can like move this stuff around [TS]

  you can play with it you can you can do [TS]

  things for free with no hardware in [TS]

  seconds that you could never do before [TS]

  like that [TS]

  very powerful that's the kind of [TS]

  innovation that computers are all about [TS]

  this is what computers have always been [TS]

  about is breaking down barriers of what [TS]

  can you not do you know what in the [TS]

  physical world or in the previous world [TS]

  before your computer came around [TS]

  what were you either not able to do [TS]

  because it was too complicated or out of [TS]

  her out of reach or what was too [TS]

  expensive for you to do you know before [TS]

  dedicated Hardware special needs or [TS]

  anything and the computer knock down [TS]

  those walls and says now you can do it [TS]

  with it is very like kind of [TS]

  democratized if you move towards this [TS]

  world of the model at the gap but you're [TS]

  saying John the monolithic app is not [TS]

  only more restrictive than that and it [TS]

  eliminates a lot of those games or [TS]

  significantly reduces them but also it [TS]

  is it is kind of less Democratic in a [TS]

  way because like the number of people [TS]

  who can make a really great noise [TS]

  removal tool for audio is way bigger [TS]

  number of people who can make a complete [TS]

  audio production studio app and back-end [TS]

  service at the monolithic app requires [TS]

  that each app be way more advanced then [TS]

  the kind of UNIX philosophy of a tool [TS]

  does one thing and does that one thing [TS]

  well you have multiple tools involved in [TS]

  a workflow and even cooler not even [TS]

  close to that like everything about [TS]

  photoshop that is a massive applications [TS]

  as tons tons of things but they're still [TS]

  illustrator like there's still room for [TS]

  like it doesn't matter how big you make [TS]

  the pieces are still mspaint you right [TS]

  well you know I'm just saying like that [TS]

  that photoshop despite all the vector [TS]

  tools they keep adding to photoshop [TS]

  illustrator still has a role but you're [TS]

  too massive applications [TS]

  we're not saying like every to like all [TS]

  this is the tool for making circles this [TS]

  is over making squares like you can it [TS]

  can be ridiculous whatever you say unix [TS]

  pipeline like 0121 does one thing well [TS]

  like no matter how big you make it [TS]

  there's always a certain point where [TS]

  you're making photoshop was like well if [TS]

  we're doing page layout should we add [TS]

  that the photoshopped know like keep it [TS]

  in indesign or what like there's always [TS]

  something else so like for podcast [TS]

  production there are so many aspects of [TS]

  that no matter how big you make any [TS]

  aspect of that like you can imagine an [TS]

  amazing like skype equivalent for iOS [TS]

  that is really reliable that like it's [TS]

  incredibly hard apt to make that's it [TS]

  just do that even that alone is [TS]

  basically you know maybe not as big as [TS]

  photoshop but it's a big [TS]

  problem fine take that and move it off [TS]

  and then if you want to go down to all i [TS]

  do is reduce noise like that can be a [TS]

  very small app but there's so many [TS]

  things in between trying to do podcasts [TS]

  to do editor production suite that's too [TS]

  much for like anybody divided off [TS]

  especially since you only charge 99 [TS]

  cents for to have is exactly exactly [TS]

  you know I wanted to come back to [TS]

  something John was saying earlier about [TS]

  paving over where people were making the [TS]

  paths in this in the grass and that's a [TS]

  reference it is among other things to [TS]

  this very program anyway whatever I [TS]

  think we should be considering that [TS]

  Apple has done that in many occasions [TS]

  but also with audio bus because audio [TS]

  boss if memory serves was an iOS app [TS]

  that would let you kind of route audio [TS]

  between apps and didn't apple start [TS]

  supporting that garage band like a year [TS]

  or two ago [TS]

  yeah it was it was like it was basically [TS]

  a third-party protocol that other people [TS]

  had just kind of made to kind of hack [TS]

  local networking into sending audio [TS]

  between app so that you could actually [TS]

  have like an audio effects app that was [TS]

  just like a certain effect that we will [TS]

  be in a chain that would be supported by [TS]

  other apps that support audio bus and so [TS]

  the big deal there was that not only did [TS]

  Apple not you know band that from the [TS]

  app store but they built in support to [TS]

  GarageBand iOS to be to work with audio [TS]

  bus app so that that was that was very [TS]

  powerful and so also audio is a slight [TS]

  exception to this rule and iOS in that [TS]

  the date did support audio bus however [TS]

  only apps that work with audio bus work [TS]

  in the system and skype doesn't i was [TS]

  thinking of like audio buses like using [TS]

  local never attack around like it's good [TS]

  that they that they didn't like for [TS]

  example rejected and say you can't do [TS]

  that but using loopback network [TS]

  interfaces as your IPC mechanism like it [TS]

  surely there is a better way to get out [TS]

  like its iOS drugs is all we have [TS]

  I just like I'm i seem to recall have [TS]

  vague memories of us seeing a demo [TS]

  showing drag-and-drop between two [TS]

  side-by-side iPad applications that also [TS]

  use look back at like you can do a lot [TS]

  of stuff with loopback network [TS]

  interfaces I doesn't mean it's the right [TS]

  solution so again apple at the signal [TS]

  that should have been to apples like I [TS]

  guess it's good that they had a positive [TS]

  reaction to put what they should have [TS]

  done is like man there is a clear market [TS]

  need for audio applications to be able [TS]

  to work together and generally to have [TS]

  better like audio routing within the [TS]

  system that is like a real supported api [TS]

  for for shuttling audio buffers around [TS]

  you know and maybe it's difficult [TS]

  because its current level stuff or [TS]

  whatever whatever I have to do like I [TS]

  guess supporting using local network [TS]

  interfaces for is better than nothing [TS]

  but that's not let me answer this final [TS]

  answer they can go well we solve that [TS]

  problem now let's move on to the next [TS]

  one you haven't solved it and people [TS]

  there is a need for it and letting a [TS]

  third party you know dictate the the [TS]

  protocols just so an apple-like so i [TS]

  would i would just love for them to keep [TS]

  advancing in this realm and to address [TS]

  the clear market needs [TS]

  yeah and and to to kind of break some [TS]

  rules here and there you know like it [TS]

  audio bus was at first of all as you [TS]

  said I think that that was that was an [TS]

  exception you know that that was a that [TS]

  was a fluke that was not like that the [TS]

  common pattern apples doing here but you [TS]

  know you look at something like well you [TS]

  know it only apps that opt into it are [TS]

  compatible with the system and skype [TS]

  doesn't support it [TS]

  well in the in the world of desktop [TS]

  computing which is still wonderful by [TS]

  the way still hey by the way [TS]

  hey guys still here it's tickets to the [TS]

  wonderful world of computing we can [TS]

  break those rules we can say you know [TS]

  what skype and support this [TS]

  well we're going to be clever as EK more [TS]

  usually became softer other people like [TS]

  this we could be clever and we're going [TS]

  to stuff we can say you know what even [TS]

  if your dad doesn't support this we can [TS]

  work around that in in this technical [TS]

  semi-happy way and we're going to say [TS]

  we're going to enable this and that is [TS]

  so powerful for just enabling people to [TS]

  do things that it like this one because [TS]

  the condom talking about like an iOS [TS]

  that category of value and the category [TS]

  of innovation is almost impossible that [TS]

  they're there are some areas for but [TS]

  it's very very limited compared to what [TS]

  you can do on Mac OS Tanner are [TS]

  windows or anything like that and so I [TS]

  did I feel like we're missing out were [TS]

  making computing but almost like the the [TS]

  same way that like the hardware that [TS]

  were that happen selling is so like not [TS]

  hackable anymore like you can buy what [TS]

  apple offers and everything soldered to [TS]

  the motherboard now and you can't [TS]

  replace anything like there was a time [TS]

  back in the day like I maybe post about [TS]

  the then be whatever 101 a non-random [TS]

  macbook pro we're like at a time when [TS]

  Apple didn't sell a hundred twenty gig [TS]

  hard drives you could buy one off newegg [TS]

  for like 200 bucks and put it in and you [TS]

  can have a configuration that Apple [TS]

  didn't sell [TS]

  whoa and it was super powerful the end [TS]

  you could replace the DVD drive with [TS]

  another hard drive if you want a laptop [TS]

  with two hard drives or tons of capacity [TS]

  or one small st in one big hard drive [TS]

  you could do stuff like that and now you [TS]

  can't everything's locked down you can [TS]

  only buy what apple sells in support [TS]

  configurations for most of the hardware [TS]

  and that's that and an iOS it's the same [TS]

  kind of thing and softwares people it's [TS]

  becoming the same kind of thing where [TS]

  it's like you can only do what is [TS]

  prescribed to you by apple and each app [TS]

  in its own monolithic silo and that is [TS]

  it and that is very limiting and I i [TS]

  really am concerned long term for like [TS]

  this kind of dumbing down of computing [TS]

  there is value in making things more [TS]

  approachable but i don't think you have [TS]

  to eliminate ways people can can [TS]

  innovate and to in order to do that [TS]

  necessarily i think there's other [TS]

  solution to that problem and and that [TS]

  these things are being conflated when [TS]

  they learn that is necessarily valid [TS]

  well I tend to agree with what you just [TS]

  said but I think it's worth noting that [TS]

  we're really tainted as desktop users as [TS]

  people and as people who really love [TS]

  desktops I mean I love desktop so much [TS]

  that is not what yeah I literally went [TS]

  from a laptop to desktop just recently [TS]

  but what you perceive as handcuffs i [TS]

  think other people perceive his wings in [TS]

  that it's less complex in a good way [TS]

  it's less intimidating it's less [TS]

  daunting you know complexity is scary [TS]

  for a lot of [TS]

  users and I'd say even for each of us [TS]

  there are things that we don't know how [TS]

  to do with our computers where that sort [TS]

  of complexity is scary and frustrating [TS]

  and prohibitive and I feel like there's [TS]

  the right tool for the job and I think [TS]

  that a lot of jobs in my opinion [TS]

  recording podcasts being one of them as [TS]

  we've used as an example i think the [TS]

  full board computer be a laptop or [TS]

  desktop is the right tool for that job [TS]

  but you can make a really good argument [TS]

  that there are a lot of other jobs where [TS]

  in iOS device is if not the brightest [TS]

  tool it is a perfectly acceptable tool [TS]

  and I don't think anything anyone thing [TS]

  needs to be all things to all people and [TS]

  it's all it's kind of unfortunate that [TS]

  none of us is a really really develop [TS]

  iOS user for for productivity related [TS]

  things because i really think that like [TS]

  federico for example would have some [TS]

  strong counterpoints here and because I [TS]

  come [TS]

  I'm cut from the same old that you guys [TS]

  are I'm having a hard time arguing [TS]

  you're playing devil's advocate in their [TS]

  favor [TS]

  well again I i really do think it's [TS]

  worth clarifying hear that like you can [TS]

  have complexity and you can you can have [TS]

  the ability to do complex things without [TS]

  making something harder to use [TS]

  necessarily you don't need to lock it [TS]

  down to make it easier to use [TS]

  well I think it's like there's an [TS]

  accident of history like a lot of the [TS]

  locking down things they're doing is [TS]

  because a lot of the things we just [TS]

  described on the mac are unsafe and we [TS]

  know what happens if you allow them to [TS]

  run rampant you get it it's not a stable [TS]

  system like what we really want is and [TS]

  what we like I hope we're all working [TS]

  towards is the ability for people to [TS]

  have new ideas and do interesting things [TS]

  without compromising stability safety [TS]

  predictability like essentially [TS]

  wandering into another apps memory space [TS]

  and screwing with is like the worst [TS]

  possible thing you can do it's terrible [TS]

  right and on the other hand if you have [TS]

  to wait for Apple to provide you support [TS]

  API is like maybe that's not a great [TS]

  solution what we're looking for is I [TS]

  mean I'm you know this is still you know [TS]

  distant future stuff or whatever like we [TS]

  would like to be able to do interesting [TS]

  innovative things in safe ways and [TS]

  because we can't do them in safe ways [TS]

  because like the alternatives are [TS]

  basically if that app development think [TS]

  of it you can either you know parachute [TS]

  into their memory space and cross your [TS]

  fingers and be really smart which is [TS]

  terrible for you can't do a damn thing [TS]

  about it and what we're looking for is [TS]

  they may not have thought of it and [TS]

  here's the way you can do something and [TS]

  you can't screw it up like that that I [TS]

  think we want we want both we want and [TS]

  we're getting it you know it in bits and [TS]

  pieces here like it's like that's why [TS]

  the solution isn't hey Apple you should [TS]

  allow memory injection is like that's [TS]

  not the solution right that doesn't help [TS]

  anybody but because of the state of our [TS]

  languages and the way we do you know [TS]

  everything having to do with computers [TS]

  we're trying to move away from the bad [TS]

  old days where was the Wild West but we [TS]

  haven't quite gotten to the new golden [TS]

  age which is now finally we have the [TS]

  freedom to do what we want without the [TS]

  things that we know are downsides from [TS]

  past technology so it is it's a it's an [TS]

  uncomfortable transitional phase where [TS]

  we don't have the safety we want and [TS]

  we're trying to like I guess the [TS]

  transition is step one make everything [TS]

  safe step to find ways to all the things [TS]

  we used to do it on safe ways and i just [TS]

  want to hurry up with the step 2 and [TS]

  like that's why I think like Marcus that [TS]

  doesn't have to increase complexity or [TS]

  be scary whatever we just don't have the [TS]

  new ways to do it yet so Apple is more [TS]

  or less doing the right things like look [TS]

  we know these things are better just [TS]

  stop them and you say yeah but I can't [TS]

  do X I can't do y and then it's like all [TS]

  right well you know we're on board with [TS]

  you absolutely agree it's not good you [TS]

  know whether it was final default or [TS]

  sandboxing or any other things like but [TS]

  at some point you gotta give us the new [TS]

  safer supported better like you have to [TS]

  give us the better way to do these [TS]

  things could we want to do these things [TS]

  and if you don't give us away [TS]

  we're gonna do them the old bad way or [TS]

  you know like it's not you can't just [TS]

  pretend this is getting to the corporate [TS]

  marcos point is very often as you can't [TS]

  just pretend that those things were [TS]

  unsafe and bad and will never need to do [TS]

  them again so just throw them in the [TS]

  dustbin like the the task that people [TS]

  were trying to accomplish is still a [TS]

  task they want to accomplish it [TS]

  if you give them a different better way [TS]

  to do it they will take it if you give [TS]

  them no way to do it then they will just [TS]

  find some other way to accomplish that [TS]

  task probably going back to the old bad [TS]

  way so i said it's definitely feel like [TS]

  we're in transitional period with all [TS]

  this iOS stop on the ipad pro and [TS]

  everything like that it's just like it's [TS]

  an exercise in figuring out [TS]

  how we can evolve this new clearly safer [TS]

  clearly easier-to-use you know less less [TS]

  stuff that you shouldn't have to be [TS]

  concerned about [TS]

  that's what a bartender things on iOS [TS]

  that you know that are on the Mac you [TS]

  have to be worried about XYZ and iOS you [TS]

  don't worry about them at all [TS]

  that's good thumbs up now let me also [TS]

  use those iOS devices or whatever to do [TS]

  the things I could do with my Mac but in [TS]

  this new safer way [TS]

  alright thanks lat 43 sponsors this week [TS]

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  now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

  mean to begin as it was accidental [TS]

  it was accidental [TS]

  John didn't [TS]

  Marco in kc would help [TS]

  because it was accidental was accidental [TS]

  and you can find show know today [TS] and if your twitter follow them [TS]

  yes eyl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

  co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our AC at [TS]

  Syracuse [TS]

  what [TS]

  so [TS]

  what on God's green earth possessed you [TS]

  to jailbreak a device to devices to [TS]

  devices in 2016-17 want it i'm gonna pay [TS]

  for a game down finance for games yeah [TS]

  that was it [TS]

  oh my god alright so here's the deal [TS]

  here which fits in perfectly with our [TS]

  just argument in developing the next [TS]

  version of overcast [TS]

  I'm trying you know people have been [TS]

  complaining about battery usage so I'm [TS]

  trying to reduce the power consumption [TS]

  and that's one of the reasons why I've [TS]

  actually replaced the visualizer the [TS]

  little animated bars every place that [TS]

  with it with a different one for the [TS]

  next version that is way way lower power [TS]

  and then because I was that was a big [TS]

  power sock and but also in I want a core [TS]

  audio engine and I made I made some [TS]

  improvements there but I want to test [TS]

  this like I can do things that reduce [TS]

  like the percentage of cpu usage while [TS]

  I'm running it from xcode i can do that [TS]

  but that doesn't tell me how much power [TS]

  to using Xcode had and there is an [TS]

  instrument sleep our instrument but it [TS]

  really just tell you like you know using [TS]

  the radio right now [TS]

  oh you use the cpu with this much at [TS]

  this point it doesn't tell you you know [TS]

  the changes made just reduce battery [TS]

  life when running on an iphone 5s from [TS]

  two hours to one hour like it it doesn't [TS]

  tell you that it doesn't tell you how it [TS]

  actually behave on devices or so it's [TS]

  very hard to know if you're actually [TS]

  making progress with with making things [TS]

  more battery efficient in the real world [TS]

  on real devices when you're dealing with [TS]

  relatively small changes like if you if [TS]

  you if you're using a hundred percent [TS]

  cpu and you go to 20 that's probably [TS]

  gonna be a pretty pretty clear when you [TS]

  don't really need to test on a device to [TS]

  know that's a better idea but or you [TS]

  know to do a full battery does so if [TS]

  your test if you're trying to test [TS]

  whether something is is better the [TS]

  battery one way to do it is to run it on [TS]

  a phone like fully charge of the phone [TS]

  trying to control everything much as you [TS]

  can run it when the phone is a hundred [TS]

  percent charged and see how long it [TS]

  takes for the phone's battery to die [TS]

  completely that is probably the best way [TS]

  to do it that is also very hard to [TS]

  control in all ways and is extremely [TS]

  time-consuming because i found out i [TS]

  took my my my closest spare device to [TS]

  something that Israel [TS]

  event so i got my six plus I'm like you [TS]

  know what this will be good because [TS]

  turns out the battery and 6 plus is [TS]

  quite large [TS]

  I ran this test last night where I'm [TS]

  like I i was playing it into it and try [TS]

  to measure like you know when there's a [TS]

  device turn off like that's hard to [TS]

  measure accurately if you're not staring [TS]

  at constantly try this big setup when [TS]

  the guard i had had the the success of [TS]

  the six plus playing through the [TS]

  headphone jack into a USB sound card [TS]

  that was recording onto my laptop and [TS]

  laptop is kind of like in the corner [TS]

  like you know just recording just like [TS]

  record as long as possible and then in [TS]

  the morning I'll get up and I'll see [TS]

  like you know where where it stopped now [TS]

  so you know how long I've playback that [TS]

  I have playing files continuously [TS]

  officeoffice thing and I can compare to [TS]

  like the built-in podcast app to see [TS]

  like what's my target like what should I [TS]

  be trying for what what what can a [TS]

  podcast Abdul if it's like totally [TS]

  integrated using all the official api's [TS]

  what can mine do and i'll try to try to [TS]

  make those comparable to wake up in the [TS]

  morning and the phone has gone from a [TS]

  hundred percent to ninety-two percent [TS]

  and I realize oh no this is not good [TS]

  you just need like another week of [TS]

  testing and you'll get down to zero i [TS]

  was expecting you know because you know [TS]

  it it has Wi-Fi on looking i want any [TS]

  kind of sink activity i want that to be [TS]

  counted so wifis on its login to iCloud [TS]

  to an account you know but there's no [TS]

  other ads you know it's restored phone [TS]

  everything else is off and airplane mode [TS]

  is on the wifis on so like so it's not [TS]

  using the cell radio because i don't [TS]

  have interesting anyway doesn't matter [TS]

  you know that would kind of be unfair [TS]

  because conditions can change and [TS]

  everything so my guard use Wi-Fi turns [TS]

  out a 6 plus with it in airplane mode [TS]

  just using Wi-Fi with the screen off [TS]

  only playing audio out of its headphone [TS]

  jack is insanely power efficient and if [TS]

  you actually want to use overcast to do [TS]

  that you can expect something like a [TS]

  hundred words completely backed up but [TS]

  that makes it difficult to actually you [TS]

  know develop and notice any big changes [TS]

  because if it takes you a hundred hours [TS]

  to run a full test to see what did what [TS]

  I just do make a difference you know the [TS]

  change i made today to do that [TS]

  meaningful change battery life you know [TS]

  that's that's kind of a crappy cycle to [TS]

  be to be on a nitrate you can I could [TS]

  use like a 5s [TS]

  because way less battery life or regular [TS]

  66 s but like the it was mostly the same [TS]

  problem 5s will be the closest to be the [TS]

  smallest better in the group but my 5s [TS]

  is also from 15 s renew so it's it's a [TS]

  very old battery and the 5s hardware is [TS]

  very different from the six and six [TS]

  hardware like that you know the CPUs [TS]

  gotten better [TS]

  the hardware is different screens [TS]

  difference like the power profile might [TS]

  be the same something that is way more [TS]

  efficient on a 5s you know some change [TS]

  and make it more efficient might be less [TS]

  efficient on a 6 or success [TS]

  most of my users are on six and [TS]

  successes like that's what I should be [TS]

  testing on but still like how do you do [TS]

  this without taking a hundred hours or [TS]

  80 hours or six you know these massive [TS]

  time spans so the other way to do it [TS]

  would be run it for a while running for [TS]

  like you know run overnight mean look at [TS]

  the better parent when you start and [TS]

  then in the morning [TS]

  look at the better opportunity when when [TS]

  it's ending and just extrapolating well [TS]

  if it took eight hours to go from eighty [TS]

  percent to sixty percent then better [TS]

  life would be X if it had a all charged [TS]

  that's an okay way to do it isn't the [TS]

  best because the percentage leader isn't [TS]

  always exactly accurate battery life is [TS]

  not linear [TS]

  exactly so it isn't the best way to do [TS]

  it but it can at least give you a [TS]

  reasonable approximation in a short [TS]

  amount of time [TS]

  one of the problems with that is that [TS]

  it's just in precise you're using this [TS]

  two digit percentage if there's nothing [TS]

  you can do with that reflects that [TS]

  precisely it took it took my this the [TS]

  six plus it took an hour to move one [TS]

  percentage point when I was watching it [TS]

  earlier today and I like and by the way [TS]

  if you want to actually look at the [TS]

  screen [TS]

  you're turning the screen on to check [TS]

  the battery level so that's kind of [TS]

  messing with the data you're tarnishing [TS]

  the data could you turn the screen on [TS]

  and then any all the things that iOS [TS]

  does when screen turns on running back [TS]

  and refreshes doing system check [TS]

  whatever that's all happening every time [TS]

  you have to even check the level so you [TS]

  don't wanna be checking it very often [TS]

  but if it takes like an hour move one [TS]

  percentage point then that's very [TS]

  precise so my idea was let's let me know [TS]

  dive into the API and try to get a more [TS]

  precise try to get like the milliamp [TS]

  hour rating for the battery like what [TS]

  what is a more precise charge level [TS]

  there is an API on you I device called [TS]

  battery level or something like that but [TS]

  it only updates in five percent [TS]

  increments so that's even less precise [TS]

  been looking at the screen and just [TS]

  checking that it's like living let me [TS]

  just find something is there anything [TS]

  else that can read this even i'll use a [TS]

  private api because I don't I just make [TS]

  a little quick test app to just show me [TS]

  the charges on the phone I don't need to [TS]

  submit to the store can use a private [TS]

  api fine [TS]

  well turns out the private api requires [TS]

  you to have the i/o kit die Lib file the [TS]

  the framework dynamic library file you [TS]

  need to have the binary from a device [TS]

  how do i get an i/o kit die lib from [TS]

  from a modern device and there are few [TS]

  online they're all 32-bit you can't [TS]

  build 32-bit apps with any recent [TS]

  version of xcode and I'm like well I'm [TS]

  not gonna like install like snow leopard [TS]

  around like this thread try to like do [TS]

  the old version right there that that's [TS]

  too much work my country that are so [TS]

  what else can I do what's faster and [TS]

  turns out you can you can browse the [TS]

  file system on iOS device if you have a [TS]

  jailbroken phone you can browse the file [TS]

  system and pull arbitrary stuff off of [TS]

  it [TS]

  phones you work for a lot of stuff [TS]

  without jailbreaking but it couldn't get [TS]

  to the system directory that would have [TS]

  this from merchants going ok I guess [TS]

  maybe she'll break something i'll take [TS]

  one of these [TS]

  I'll take one of my iphone 6 is from [TS]

  last year and that's been sitting on [TS]

  your discharge charge it up jailbreak it [TS]

  and get this file off of it so i can [TS]

  make an app that would do this that but [TS]

  actually run in 64-bit mode the process [TS]

  of jailbreaking today so the i should [TS]

  point out the only time I've ever [TS]

  jailbroken before was with the iphone [TS]

  one shortly after came out there was a [TS]

  site called it was or [TS]

  something like that where it was like [TS]

  literally a safari exploit that was just [TS]

  you visit a website and tap a button and [TS]

  it would you risk your foot or total [TS]

  security hole like that it's terrible [TS]

  that was possible and it's terrible [TS]

  whatever that is possible again if it [TS]

  ever happens again like that is a [TS]

  terrible from apple should definitely [TS]

  always close up because that's a [TS]

  horrible hole but I did it for like you [TS]

  know I ran for like a day and I love my [TS]

  phone is garbage like you know what this [TS]

  is stupid [TS]

  that's my phone works worse now [TS]

  everything is garbage like there's [TS]

  nothing here that actually need to [TS]

  restore my phone like like two days [TS]

  later it was so quick i'm like you know [TS]

  this is stupid and never jokes instead [TS]

  but the fact is it's very very popular [TS]

  tons of like literally like probably [TS]

  tens of millions of people jailbreak it [TS]

  is a it is a significant slice of the [TS]

  iOS user base at work [TS]

  it is not a small percentage does not a [TS]

  french thing is a very very common thing [TS]

  I figured you know the tools that must [TS]

  be you know what let me see what like [TS]

  today so that the procedure of [TS]

  jailbreaking today is you have to find a [TS]

  device that doesn't have anything newer [TS]

  than iOS 902 on it so I'd like you know [TS]

  all this this one in my drawer happened [TS]

  to be 901 ok i'll use that one boot that [TS]

  up and try to search for like how to [TS]

  jailbreak a phone like this is basically [TS]

  saying like hideaway download photoshop [TS]

  like you know everything you guys going [TS]

  to be a scam of some kind of hurts it's [TS]

  gonna be malware is going to be ads [TS]

  gonna be garbage can find all this [TS]

  garbage stuff quick search for our [TS]

  children actually was very easy there's [TS]

  this thing called the pegu pango [TS]

  jailbreak one of those my impression of [TS]

  this as somebody who doesn't know [TS]

  anything about this is that the way you [TS]

  jailbreak is that you basically download [TS]

  a close source application from a [TS]

  Chinese hacking group that's unsigned [TS]

  binary and you tell you and you force [TS]

  your mac to run it that's it that's how [TS]

  you can help you follow your phone and [TS]

  you run this arbitrary code from a [TS]

  Chinese hacking group on your Mac that's [TS]

  unsafe i did this all on my laptop I [TS]

  don't care about because there's no way [TS]

  around it on my real computer now it's [TS]

  affected your entire network but on the [TS]

  bright side your apple TV won't have a [TS]

  number after his name anymore because [TS]

  they're gonna walk while this malware [TS]

  wanders through your network effects [TS]

  that just thought that you know and [TS]

  drive by the common courtesy it so [TS]

  anyway so here I'm like I'm like you [TS]

  know drink straight teeth make sure [TS]

  they're really need to be doing this for [TS]

  like okay y'all run it on the same I [TS]

  properly if i invite by any hardware [TS]

  that requires some kind of java [TS]

  installer I run that on this laptop as [TS]

  well it's like it's like my garbage like [TS]

  anything that requires like software [TS]

  that I don't want anywhere near my real [TS]

  computer run on this thing so the [TS]

  homepage for your web browser on that [TS]

  computer is now yahoo right soldier yeah [TS]

  and there's a toolbar yeah anyway so [TS]

  yeah ran it and it turns out it's you [TS]

  know it's stupid easy and so anyway I [TS]

  generated to make launcher children [TS]

  whose phone it boots up I i go to cydia [TS]

  which is who the the UI for Cydia it's [TS]

  it's like when the app store first [TS]

  launched people just put random [TS]

  parameter [TS]

  there's into uikit widgets and just [TS]

  spewed them all over the screen that [TS]

  cydia still today like it it was combat [TS]

  I i posted a screenshot and in the [TS]

  release like I can't leave this even [TS]

  real like this is this is how this app [TS]

  actually looks today anyway it sorry [TS]

  jailbreakers he look Wow [TS]

  but it's you you have some some [TS]

  improvement opportunities in corporate [TS]

  suite maybe coaching opportunity mike mo [TS]

  put in the parking lot for now okay but [TS]

  long story short the files not there and [TS]

  I just always tell me and like the [TS]

  dialogue is just not there [TS]

  and so I and I'm like well maybe like [TS]

  people to all things change in iOS 9 [TS]

  maybe things will be better on an older [TS]

  version but i still need 64 bits and let [TS]

  me pull out tips old 5s which has been [TS]

  powered off in the closet for like two [TS]

  years [TS]

  pull that out it's still running ios7 [TS]

  great i jailbreak that with another app [TS]

  from the pain to hackers but friends [TS]

  this is afraid to if they're absolutely [TS]

  honest this left because it's a [TS]

  different to Jailbreak iOS 7 run that [TS]

  turns out not there either and it turns [TS]

  out that like apparently dialogues have [TS]

  not existed iOS for quite some time [TS]

  because they lump them all into one [TS]

  giant blob and they look they kind of [TS]

  look at that and there's like this cash [TS]

  you can try to hack but doesn't really [TS]

  work so I'm like this whole thing failed [TS]

  just like forget it i found one [TS]

  jailbreak appe after much searching I [TS]

  found one jailbreak a pin in the [TS]

  interesting cydia app quote store where [TS]

  it would display the million hours of [TS]

  the battery for me and I are good enough [TS]

  just run that and I'll i put on the [TS]

  iphone 6 now i have an iphone 6 that has [TS]

  this this interesting app from this [TS]

  interesting app store on it that will [TS]

  show me the million our ratings and now [TS]

  i can at least like launch the app it's [TS]

  start from my testing 12 hours later [TS]

  open the app again and see what the [TS]

  million power level is the battery and [TS]

  do basically a better more precise [TS]

  version of the percentage interpolation [TS]

  and have you know faster turnaround time [TS]

  that's my incredibly long boring story [TS]

  about jailbreaking today and i would not [TS]

  recommend this to anybody this is I if [TS]

  anybody was an easier way that just [TS]

  using private api is I could just do in [TS]

  develop [TS]

  meant that wouldn't involve jailbreaking [TS]

  please let me know [TS]

  but yeah I don't know yeah I haven't [TS]

  jailbroken since I think my 3gs and I [TS]

  did it at the time for sbsettings which [TS]

  basically was control center long before [TS]

  control center existed and it was pretty [TS]

  magical but even then I think I only [TS]

  have my phone jailbroken for like a [TS]

  couple of months or something like that [TS]

  because it just felt gross to me and i [TS]

  wasn't really gaining anything that [TS]

  justified all the icky feelings I had [TS]

  but by going through that whole process [TS]

  so i can understand i can understand why [TS]

  you didn't why you hated every moment of [TS]

  it but it's an interesting story to say [TS]

  the least the links that we go to adjust [TS]

  it i mean i think that the links that a [TS]

  good developer will go to to try to [TS]

  figure something out again it's only one [TS]

  more thing is like if they were just an [TS]

  official API even or a developer tool [TS]

  that could that you could enable on the [TS]

  phone with the problem is like evenly [TS]

  put into Xcode you can't run it while [TS]

  connecting a little charge so and [TS]

  there's no Wi-Fi debugging yet and I [TS]

  know those kind of like some support for [TS]

  that to make the watch work but it's not [TS]

  for phones yet so like there's just like [TS]

  there's there's something that there are [TS]

  so many failures hear that led me to do [TS]

  this and and maybe the answer is I [TS]

  should just not care this much which is [TS]

  a terrible answer is like how does Apple [TS]

  manage their battery usage they probably [TS]

  have tools to tell them this kind of [TS]

  stuff while the developing core iOS [TS]

  functionality and iOS apps like I assume [TS]

  people inside Apple have a way to know [TS]

  am I making battery life better or worse [TS]

  with this change on making this app that [TS]

  is probably easier than jailbreaking [TS]

  their phones running the cydia app [TS]

  called store it in summary these apple [TS]

  break down some of these walls where [TS]

  makes sense for titles i think Saltine [TS]

  fiend is hannah has to win but nothing [TS]

  i'm sure was about that the the whole [TS]

  first four minutes of the show where [TS]

  about that oh yeah totally i really need [TS]

  to put some sort of circus County [TS]

  prevention on here that they'll just use [TS]

  unicode you can't stop them because [TS]

  javascript doesn't understand text it [TS]

  doesn't understand numbers either try [TS]

  going about 53 bidding on [TS]

  you're wonderful language did you see [TS]

  the Trump programming language in the [TS]

  hole was like I only use integers [TS]

  because Trump doesn't do anything [TS]

  halfway [TS]

  but Trump sorry but i think from this [TS]

  one is on ya all numbers are strictly [TS]

  greater than 1 million there are no [TS]

  import statements lot of all coded be [TS]

  homegrown speaking making python grade [TS]

  again [TS]

  oh this is make the visit but I like to [TS]

  punch the monkey better than this sounds [TS]

  saltines it's your it's cool it's funny [TS]

  that it [TS]

  no I I think I'm disgusting salt in the [TS]

  thing on this show have a night in the [TS]

  past I didn't think so I don't think so [TS]

  no I think I remember we were talking [TS]

  about supertaster stuff right now we're [TS]

  talking about interpretation of super [TS]

  tastes like that's why I'm able to enjoy [TS]

  insulting because i can i can get the [TS]

  every other bit overall stats like he's [TS]

  assaulted cardboard especially if [TS]

  they're stale but there are subtle [TS]

  nuances to the flavor of salty and they [TS]

  can be enjoyed by people with the the [TS]

  very sensitive taste but the weekend is [TS]

  so she is far superior and now it's not [TS]

  larger less portable pastors Casey [TS]

  you're like the master of like junk food [TS]

  like how do you not love weekends [TS]

  ribbons are not greater than a terrible [TS]

  that great the cardboard its tail ones [TS]

  the likely chance to look Stace tails vs [TS]

  of any cracker or chip our cardboard but [TS]

  weekends are three things are like they [TS]

  are the pringles of the cracker world in [TS]

  and they're just compressed sawdust all [TS]

  pringles are magnificent though no [TS]

  regular compressed sawdust and so are [TS]

  our weapons a pretty sure so I mean it [TS]

  could like formulation wise you are [TS]

  right the pringles are not like slices [TS]

  of potatoes they're like you know [TS]

  they're compressed Sounders this is [TS]

  basically but that mean that's like [TS]

  that's how flower works in every week [TS]

  based cracker no no you don't like [TS]

  here's the difference you don't just [TS]

  take like the idea with pringles is that [TS]

  there is like a dehydrated potatoes that [TS]

  is in powder form that is merely pressed [TS]

  to make it into shipshape it's not as if [TS]

  you take flour and water and mix them to [TS]

  make a dough and like you know but [TS]

  that's what a cracker saltines are legit [TS]

  though that is cooked right right there [TS]

  cracker right I pretty sure we things [TS]

  are dehydrated powdery crap that is [TS]

  compressed into [TS]

  cracker shape and then covered with salt [TS]

  and grease I don't think it's true [TS]

  because they are not of uniform shape [TS]

  maybe maybe they do maybe they do cook [TS]

  them there is an edge and you can like [TS]

  some of them will have a slight curl [TS]

  down on one side where it looks like and [TS]

  and the particle down is slightly burnt [TS]

  compared to the rest of the cracker and [TS]

  some of the occasion will have a ripple [TS]

  also so I do think they're actually [TS]

  baking these in big sheets and then [TS]

  cutting them out as with any industrial [TS]

  food we probably don't want to know how [TS]

  these things are actually made you're [TS]

  probably not [TS]

  yeah I love that you think that that [TS]

  your saltines are somehow like made a [TS]

  better way than we think I do i do think [TS]

  that I really do believe that's [TS]

  completely out of it [TS]

  the bubbles on top can't fake that [TS]