The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► I like the fact that every time I [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► started call i have to click the button [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► to say that I want to see the chat even [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► though every single time Mr Colley do it [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► yeah of all of all the work they've put [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► into skype they've never decided to make [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► that persistent you know God forbid [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► application remember anything that you [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► do it it's born in New everyone happy [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► birthday [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► we have important things to talk about [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► so we should dive right in house the [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► Tesla not that different from my opinion [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► of it last week [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► it's amazing like yeah it's just amazing [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► I i really am appreciating it more and [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► more everyday which and I already [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► appreciate it quite a bit so that's [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► saying a lot [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► I'm very happy with the decision I made [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► to go with it I'm also very happy with [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► the one I chose to get not getting the [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► faster with less range for a lot more [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► money i I'm just very happy with it [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► now tell me about you tweeted earlier [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► today as we record that you put like [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► this little teeny tiny USB stick [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► what is this all about is this to put [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► like a three fish songs because it's [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► like a 30 gig stick right so that's like [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► three or four fish songs it's 220 a cake [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► sticks so it's six fish songs [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► fair enough i don't actually need a [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► hundred twenty eight gigs of storage in [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► my car but it was like 10 bucks more [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► than that [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► that's what i needed so it's like okay [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► just in case i'm sure i will have some [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► reason to use under 20k USB stick it was [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► like 40 bucks is that all they aren't [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► could grief yeah exactly so this is this [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► is the first USB stick i've ever [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► purchased really i've never really used [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► them and I I've accumulated enough like [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► little ones from freebies from things [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► here and there over the last decade that [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► if I ever needed one for like the the [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► one time every two years I might [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► actually need 1i would just use one of [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► those but none of them are big enough [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► and and if you wait until 2016 to buy a [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► USB stick USB sticks are really good and [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► are almost free so I want something very [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► very small because this is in the it's [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► in the center console of the car it's [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► like in the passenger was visible and [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► it's protrudes from from a port so [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► wanted to be as small as possible [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► you know there is a base like this one [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► and a sandesh one and the reviews of the [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► Santa's gonna haul said that overheated [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► constantly and was and like ran weirdly [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► hot all the time and land the samsung [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► what everyone said that works great [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► doesn't overheat like that we're Santa's [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► one so I want that and the only the only [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► downside of it you know it's incredibly [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► fast [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► sb3 and has really high quality flash in [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► there it's a samsung is really good [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► flash i also have samsung external flash [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► drive just in a two-and-a-half-inch [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► enclosure from a computer because they [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► make two gig SD or sorry two terabyte [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► ssds now for like 600 bucks and granted [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► $16 a lot of money and two terabytes is [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► not an earth-shattering amount of space [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► and 2016 however a two terabyte SSD that [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► exists at all let alone is an affordable [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► price is quite something [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► yeah so I'm very happy with that because [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► it is totally silent and very very fast [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► and so I started on my media on there [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► anyway so this little samsung stick the [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► only flaw in it is that it has this [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► giant Samsung logo written on the part [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► of it sticks out so I just send it off [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► with some you know like sandpaper in [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► about five minutes [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► I found my garage and it's great so now [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► it's a nice blank is a USB Drive that is [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► perfect [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► turns out USB stick your kind of useful [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► sometimes so anyway the reason is there [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► my car is a because the car has the [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► ability to like many modern car stereos [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► to browse folders of mp3 files that you [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► put on USB storage medium media and i [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► don't think i have to double check but [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► I'm i was pretty sure that it didn't [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► have the ability to use like the the [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► ipod music browsing interface off from [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► the iphone that was plugged in so which [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► is fine because i actually prefer like [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► having folders i can organize things [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► because I don't take my entire [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► collection in the car because most my [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► collection and doesn't matter in the car [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► so it's nice to kind of build organized [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► into folders and have actually [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► subfolders at like so i have a folder [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► for fish 2015 and then in that is like [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► each 2015 tour like an organized and I [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► want which is kind of different from [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► what you get in like a typical ipod [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► thing and it plays the songs in order [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► which thank god it's amazing [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► I don't know who who designed whatever [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► system many other car manufacturers and [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► head unit manufacturers use wear [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► whatever you insert it plays the songs [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► like alphabetically by song title [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► whoever wants to hear things [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► alphabetically by song title there are [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► two [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► orders that you're like to play things [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► in either the order that they are on the [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► album or shuffle [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► nobody ever wants any other order yes [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► the i have I don't remember how much [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► music I have my car only have about 12 [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► gigs that's available to me I believe [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► but I almost exclusively listen to stuff [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► on my car and even the Bluetooth stack [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► is pretty good on my car i find it just [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► easier to navigate the eye dr and so [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► with that in mind would you why do you [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► not use bluetooth on the test i would [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► think not having played with it that [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► that being able to manipulate things on [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► the test would be a lot easier because [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► you have that whole big display there [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► but i guess if all you really have [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► available to you via bluetooth is like [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► skip forward skippack play/pause maybe [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► it's not really any different than any [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► other car [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► you're right that having to be displayed [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► there actually does make it much more [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► useful when you're doing things like [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► navigating a USB stick full of folders [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► and stuff so that is awesome on there [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► you are also right that bluetooth is [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► very limited its interaction and making [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► this problem worse [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► Tesla's bluetooth implementation isn't [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► particularly great it's it's an ok one [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► but there's a couple of shortcomings the [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► biggest one to me is that it doesn't [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► display the time elapsed or remaining [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► which is really annoying for podcasts [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► more more humorously there is some [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► method to transfer album art and many [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► blue stereos will show album art as [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► transferred from anybody [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► I think that's actually an apple [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► extension to the standard or something [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► anyway it doesn't matter [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► test doesn't support the album art [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► extension or whatever displays albemarle [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► over bluetooth so instead they show you [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► the album art from some kind of central [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► album art database of a fuzzy match of [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► whatever title is being supplied by the [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► device so it tries to be smart but then [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► you end up with completely nonsensical [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► random often like slightly risque album [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► art when you're listening to like back [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► to work [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► it's like it's a it makes no sense [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► look at the other day was like back to [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► work and feeling someone growing a [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► bikini like some albums like you gotta [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► be kidding me like at that they're [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► driving around like my game is my son's [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► high school or preschool parking lot and [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► and they're like this bikini girl [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► showing on my dashboard like oh my god I [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► got a little something else [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► that's not gonna work it so yeah that is [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► very student eh I I hope Tesla improves [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► that shortly i'm not i'm not you know [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► keep my hopes of your site i know that [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► chances are they'll just be had this car [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► is for most of the time i have it [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► because nobody cares about this area of [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► the software accept me but yeah well you [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► said you never work at Apple would you [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► work at Tesla i mean i don't really want [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► to move to California for a job however [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► i'll actually did I was thinking [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► recently like you know what I what I be [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► interested in working for husband and i [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► think i think it would be actually [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► potentially very interesting it i would [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► certainly it would certainly give me [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► pause i would certainly consider it not [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► you know not to work on any of like the [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► fancy electrical stuff because I'm not [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► qualified and also don't care but I you [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► know to in order to work on like the the [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► like in the in dash software the [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► touchscreens offer the interface the [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► media stuff maybe you know I don't know [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► maybe what if you had to leave the house [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► change the answer a little bit maybe a [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► little [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► could I bring hops the whole mm like a [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► job for you get up and you getting your [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► Tesla and you drive to the office you do [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► your work there and then you drive back [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► home and you have to do it monday [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► through friday and when you take [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► vacation you have to tell them and you [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► get a certain number of those a year [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► reminding you what a job is if i could [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► if i can wear my slippers and if i can [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► take naps at the office then then yes [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► slippers i don't know i think although [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► we have some people at work who wear [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► socks and some people work who are [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► barefoot but I I feel like that is not [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► the norm [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► do you ever rocky those look strong and [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► hope you kidding i mean if you've been [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► in the if anyone has ever been in an [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► office late in New England you see the [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► the mice to come out like I mean you [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► just use their let you look over in like [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► I was a mouse just hop across the carpet [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► and then you think about the people [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► walking around all day with socks or [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► bare feet in his office tonight [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► nope just the big note there [TS]

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00:10:13 ◼   ► alright so anonymous wrote in again [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► anonymous does that from time to time [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► and they cleared something up sort of [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► about Apple renewable energy and i was [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► wondering and I think a lot of people [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► are wondering and are they really using [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► renewable energy or they just like doing [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► offset sort of thing so anonymous wrote [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► apples engaging agreements for 15 to 25 [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► years of power from renewable facilities [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► by contracting with the wind or solar [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► developer and agreeing to a fixed price [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► of power over the term so apple doesn't [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► physically use this power instead they [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► agree to pay the wind or solar operator [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► to the fixed price per megawatt-hour of [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► energy generated by the farm the [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► operator then sells the actual power [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► into the local market or utility service [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► area where the facility is located [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► and I don't know John do you want to [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► kinda still this whole economic bit [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► after here I believe this anonymous [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► person with somebody who works for some [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► alternative energy works in the [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► alternative energy industry and I don't [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► think they were going from any [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► first-hand knowledge of contracts but [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► just like last time we talked about [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► solar and everything in that I think [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► some people have a vision in their minds [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► of Apple building solar farms and [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► connecting a big wire from the solar [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► farms to their facilities which may be a [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► thing that happens in certain [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► circumstances depending on the geography [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► and the available existing alternative [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► energy sources and then other people are [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► imagining all apple is doing is buy [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► offsets from some distant land and just [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► saying we'll pay you for that energy and [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► that offsets the energy were taken from [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► our local power provider and then you [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► give that energy to the people who live [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► near the existing solar wind farm and I [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► imagine they do all those things and [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► this feedback we had more detail in [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► terms of the specifics of the agreement [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► of not just that they're paying for [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► energy you know elsewhere because like [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► there's a you know solar power facility [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► miles and miles away and they're not [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► gonna like run a wire from that to them [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► you know but that there is not even that [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► the entered these contracts where they [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► say will pay you a certain amount every [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► month for you know for each [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► megawatt-hour of energy and it's not [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► like a bet between the alternative [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► energy provider and apple because if it [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► turns out that the price to generate the [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► energy was lower than what Apple agreed [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► to pay then that's good because the the [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► universe solar operator says we only [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► have to pay you know two cents per [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► megawatt hour and you're buying it from [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► us for for a dollar per megawatt-hour we [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► get to keep the difference and the [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► reverse is true too if it costs the [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► solar energy provider always turns out [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► this month that crosses ten bucks per [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► megawatt-hour an apple agreed to pay us [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► a one-dollar we just have to eat that [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► nine dollars per megawatt hour so that [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► the key financial deal here because if [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► this comes in was talking about how [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► Apple can do this because I have all [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► this money to burn [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► is that an indie luv this kind there's [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► no upfront payment for the power of the [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► facility already exists all apple has to [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► do is enter into a contract with them [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► and have this agreed-upon price in this [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► particular arrangement i think what is [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► it called a contract for differences [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► it's called so you don't necessarily [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► even have to have a lot of capital if [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► and enter into one of these agreements [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► and it's just a matter of striking a [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► good deal based on what you think it [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► will actually cost over the long term to [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► generate this power from this particular [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► facility so anyway the world was weird [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► and that is a a detail that's not [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► particularly important it's not as of [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► apples being disingenuous because buying [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► offsets are entering into these [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► agreements or paying for someone who [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► lives near solar facility to get that [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► energy from the solar facility while you [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► get it from the coal fire plants like [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► it's all it all comes out in the wash [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► we're all on the same plan it's all the [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► same atmosphere all the same co2 and if [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► Apple didn't do this and didn't pay for [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► these renewables no matter who is [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► actually getting those specific [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► electrons I would make a difference is [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► what you're looking for is total you [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► know total co2 output of the planet and [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► not you know whether it's like right [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► next to you or right next to someone [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► else anyway I thought it was interesting [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► alright so have all of us switch to [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► purple safari i am using it on my work [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► computer I just tonight installed on my [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► imac but haven't started using it yet i [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► should note actually as I forgot about [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► this follow-up the beta of one password [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► for sure in died at this point they [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► might have released a new non beta [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► version but anyway the beta of 1password [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► supports the new purple safari so if you [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► are having the same woes that I was you [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► can run the beta additionally there's a [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► switch and preferences that a couple [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► people wrote wrote in to tell me about [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► and forgive me because i don't have [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► neither your names or the preference in [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► front of me but even on the regular [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► version somewhere in like the advanced [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► preferences where they have a little [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► love [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► Yoda or the little Jedi looking person [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► on the right-hand side of the robot or [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► not there's a switch that says you can [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► override the security checks on the [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► browser but anyway we're not here to [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► talk about one password were here to [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► talk about purple safari so have you [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► guys been using it [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► I'm switched everywhere and last week I [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► was worried that switching the that I [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► have to somehow disabled my regular [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► safari or would like get launched by [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► like an apple event somewhere or you [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► know whatever on but after using it [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► both at home and at work for a week my [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► fears were unfounded you switch the [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► default browser in the Safari preference [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► pains for either version of Safari you [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► know pull the other one off your dock [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► and it's purple safari all the way from [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► there and it works fine maybe only [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► annoyance i found is [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► that it unlike chrome which will like [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► sync your extensions everywhere I had to [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► sort of reinstall my safari extensions [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► and a lot of them i had to kind of track [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► down and find the original websites [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► where I mean I just dug them out of the [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► folder but I was trying to you know it [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► was a good time to just get them from [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► the web again or go through the you know [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► maybe get that the later version if I [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► had a bad update your help anyway i had [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► to reinstall my extensions rear and I'll [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► rearrange all my icons on my toolbar [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► re-import the options like I have said [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► this far keyword extension lets you type [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► stuff in the address bar and do searches [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► I'd export those from safari import [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► never once i got everything set up [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► I'm all purple sorry now and I think [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► I'll just stay this way unless i have [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► some compelling reason to switch back [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► like purpose of our suddenly starts [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► crashing but so far so good i recommend [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► people trying it out if you're [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► interested in maybe having a little bit [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► faster safari or if you're interested in [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► any of the the many new web technologies [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► that are interested like if your web [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► developer and wanna try to map [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► yeah I didn't feel like it was faster [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► although that very well could be a [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► placebo the fact but my remember things [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► myself [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► well this feels fast so I don't know but [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► if you do you feel like it's been [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► quicker for you as well [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► purple is faster ever notice that I [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► totally alright good talk [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► I don't know what that reference was it [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► was one anyway so there's been a pretty [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► considerable kerfuffle going across the [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► internet over the last couple of days [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► about TextExpander six text expander is [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► an app that have a sponsored us in the [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► past i believe they have a sponsor so [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► much stuff i think i'm pretty sure like [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► I mean I think pfn sponsor my side while [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► battle back is also smile so anyway [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► they've probably spotted our stuff right [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► so text expander six is new and it is [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► moving to a subscription model and it [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► previously was somewhere between like 10 [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► 20 bucks depending on the platform i [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► believe and they tended to do an update [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► about once a year from what i gather i'm [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► actually not a text expander user but [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► I'm that that's the general gist of what [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► I've understood and they've announced [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► that hey they're going to switch to [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► subscription pricing it's about 50 bucks [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► a year give or take and you can get sink [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► through their own servers kind of like [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► what one passwords doing now with one [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► password four teams and one [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► password families and actually day one [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► as well so you can sync via their [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► servers and you can have collaborations [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► or you can have a shared TextExpander [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► snippets across teams if that's [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► something that you're interested in but [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► by the way we are not supporting dropbox [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► based sink anymore [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► basically it's either use the old [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► version until it doesn't work anymore or [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► give us money and well and will give you [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► the new hotness and a lot of people are [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► flustered and we'll put a link to je [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► sais blog which as always is a really [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► good summary this is one of the longer [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► ones I've seen actually but a really [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► good summary and it kind of goes through [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► a lot of different reactions and I think [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► the general summary is those who are [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► developers are no developers completely [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► understand it and and are probably [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► willing to pay for it but those who are [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► just users or can kind of put on their [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► user hat they it's it's a tough sell [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► because I'm like 1password their kind of [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► taking something away [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► 1password like it will continue to let [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► use dropbox least for now and it seems [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► that smiles taking away that option for [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► any future versions so i don't know i [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► don't really have a lot to say about [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► this because like I said we're not text [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► expander user but it's certainly a tough [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► thing because how do you make money in [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► the app store these days I mean it's not [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► easy as a Marco no it's really not i [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► mean you know my my view on this is [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► certainly colored by my own experiences [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► within the app store and and I have some [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► distance from it because while I did [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► purchase the most recent version texted [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► before this when I was thinking I could [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► actually answer support emails I don't [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► currently use it because I turns out i [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► can't answer support emails so I I'm not [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► an active user so it doesn't i'm not [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► really invested in it either way and at [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► the same time I also now sell an appt [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► with subscription pricing sort of i see [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► why a lot of people are mad about this [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► what I've seen from my own experience it [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► is that people get mad when they sense [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► that you're like double dipping or [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► unfairly charging in and whatever their [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► view is unfair or if you charge them or [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► if you ask for money or if you put up [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► barriers in a way that they are not [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► accustomed to that breaks their [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► expectations of like I've never had to [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► pay this way before or never had to pay [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► for this thing before or i thought i [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► already owned this thing out right and [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► this is all very very tricky these days [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► because the reality is people's [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► expectations of software you buy it and [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► then you know you can use it for a while [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► until maybe there's an upgrade a few [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► years down the road and then you by the [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► upgrade maybe a discount people's [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► expectations of that kind of software is [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► that you pay once and then you have it [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► and at the same time though they also [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► expect updates to it they expect you to [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► be fixing bugs to be providing [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► compatibility for new version of the OS [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► and possibly even adding features all [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► within that same initial price they paid [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► somewhere on the line like that that [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► doesn't work they are fatally the people [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► are thinking of the benefits of the [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► software and the responsibility of the [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► software makers as a service that is [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► constantly provided over time for their [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► one initial purchase price but of course [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► they get really mad if you want them to [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► pay on a subscription basis for what [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► they are really getting which is [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► subscription benefits it's kind of hard [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► to not do that in some way or another [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► day filled with your software vendor you [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► are having ongoing costs you're having [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► cost as a service whether you're running [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► servers or not it's like you're having [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► constant ongoing maintenance of this app [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► and and you know advancing moving [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► forward keeping it working [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► improving etc so there is this [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► disconnect between what people are [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► willing to pay for which is they want to [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► pay once and own it forever but also [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► that if you don't give them constant [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► updates they will hate you even more for [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► that and they certainly don't want to go [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► out of business they really hate when [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► you do that or when you pull a product [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► they really hate that so that's worse [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► so they want you to be there and to be [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► providing updates on a regular basis and [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► to fix any bugs the crop up and to [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► improve the product [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► make it work whenever there's new OS [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► they want that but they don't want to [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► pay more than that one time upfront so [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► obviously something has to give here so [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► I don't begrudge the idea of [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► subscription pricing i do think however [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► that this particular case I i don't [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► think they did a very good job with it [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► and I'm not too close to it so it's [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► maybe i'm wrong but i think the reaction [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► of a lot of their customers that have [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► been hearing about from today at that [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► might backup that I'm right [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► what text expander has done is they've [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► transformed from a like what was the [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► president like 35 bucks something like [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► that i don't know to be honest I thought [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► it was closer to 20 originally but I [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► very well could have that wrong i think [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► whatever it is i think it's somewhere in [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► that range right it has transformed from [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► that into a required five dollars a [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► month service so it's it's a pretty [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► substantial price increase it as well as [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► the justification for this service being [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► something that they justify it by saying [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► oh now you can like share your snippets [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► with co-workers or family or whatever [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► else and this is it's like they took [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► away that the problem or the the [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► solution they had for syncing for your [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► own personal stuff between your own [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► computers which was thinking via Dropbox [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► or you know BitTorrent sync or whatever [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► other options they had that you think [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► pretty much any way you want to but i [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► think a lot people to dropbox thinking [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► they took that away and now they're [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► saying now you have to pay us a lot more [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► than you're paying before but you will [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► get these benefits and the problem is [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► those benefits were things that most of [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► their customers at least we're hearing [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► from I don't know the supplies their [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► customer base but the customers were [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► hearing from don't really want those [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► benefits don't really care about the [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► benefits and they're not going to use [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► those benefits so the reason everyone's [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► mad is because not only have they change [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► the model in a way that a lot of people [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► don't like a lot of people just don't [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► like subscription pricing and again I [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► totally get why people don't like that I [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► don't like it either but I also don't [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► like software that goes out of business [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► or that can't afford to keep updated or [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► anything else like so it's hard [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► I recognize this the way that software [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► developers really need to have some [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► model that provides recurring revenue [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► over time for users who are using all [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► the time [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► whether you do that via occasional [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► upgrade upgrade pricing or whether you [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► do it via a monthly subscription or some [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► other scheme where they do that you know [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► somehow you need to eat have some way to [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► make money from people over time not [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► just once up front I don't think you [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► need to be deep in the development [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► community like what you know the mindset [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► you know certainly marcos coming from [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► and all of us because we know developers [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► and we talk to developers like we have [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► that perspective but I think for this [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► particular change I think you could take [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► just anyone from business school and [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► throw them at this and even understand [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► what software is I think it it looks [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► like so many other business decision so [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► from my perspective what they're doing [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► and explains a lot of the anger the [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► marker just you know talking about from [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► the the you know the customers [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► perspective at the very least is they [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► have a they have a customer base now the [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► use the product if you were to serve as [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► customer insight how much value do you [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► get out of using text expander a lot of [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► them would say you know I maybe I get 45 [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► dollars worth of value added over the [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► lifetime that i've been using it [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► some would say maybe I you know it's [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► like asking how much would you pay if we [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► say we take Texas been away from you and [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► to get it back you have to pay some [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► money obviously if someone accuses at [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► answer support email for example or like [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► does a lot of repetitive emailing or [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► uses very sophisticated features where [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► you fill in the blanks everything like [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► that they're going to say all you know [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► this is the main tool i use to make my [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► living like it is an essential part of [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► my workflow of texas-pan was gone I [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► don't know what I would do with myself [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► it is incredibly valuable for me the [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► fact that i paid forty five dollars for [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► last year's like the steal of the [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► century like this is literally how I get [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► all my income and then the dream of any [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► business school major is like can I [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► charge that guy like three thousand [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► dollars and then charged at the guy who [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► is only going to use it twice a year [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► like 5 bucks like can I charge every [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► customer in the maximum amount they're [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► willing to pay for this software [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► yeah maybe and the answer is you can't [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► do that because we don't know how much [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► worth or whatever but what you can do [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► and what it seems like to spend smiles [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► trying to do with this one is say we've [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► got all these customers for a lot of [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► them they're getting like $45 for the [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► value or even less out of the software [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► but there are some users who get a [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► tremendous [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► Amanda values texture is very powerful [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► if you do the type of things tech [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► suspenders made to do is like [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► best-in-class like very sophisticated [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► features you know like it makes and you [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► know love very polished workflow amateur [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► products tables you know like this is [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► this is a it's not just like my first [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► text expander type thing this is a very [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► substantial product for the people who [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► do this all the time and you say i would [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► rather just sell to those people for a [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► much higher price in a way that we can [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► continue to sell to those people [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► essentially forever as long as those [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► people exist because they're doing it [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► for their job and we're going to provide [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► them with this tool to do their job and [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► the same kind of like photoshop have [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► arrangement like your graphic designer [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► you use Photoshop to make your living [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► I and we will give you the tools to make [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► your living and so you will subscribe to [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► photoshop because it's a bargain to you [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► to pay you whatever it is a hundred two [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► hundred bucks a year to make thousands [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► upon thousands of dollars is a graphic [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► designer every year if we took away [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► photoshop it would be seriously impair [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► your productivity is you have to learn [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► the program and so on so forth so it's [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► like Texas matter is saying thanks for [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► all the participation casual Texas [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► manner users but we would much rather I [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► he sell to the heaviest TextExpander [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► users at a price that they find [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► justifiable and that we feel like is the [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► most sustainable the most profitable [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► like whatever you know we're we're gonna [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► make it up and lack of volume [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► essentially is the opposite of we're [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► going to make it up in volume [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► I just want the good customers the ones [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► who the power user customers and so why [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► people are mad is Texas matter basically [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► saying to them not really basically [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► saying were not that interested in your [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► business anymore as Texas matter was [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► only worth $45 you want to use or five [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► years that's not the kind of customer [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► that we want to serve maybe it's because [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► they feel like they can't serve it may [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► be you know like I don't know what the [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► what the motivation for it is but even [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► if they were doing great they could say [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► we're refocusing our business on the pro [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► TextExpander market right and everybody [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► who wasn't a pro tech centers like but I [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► like TextExpander like I don't use that [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► much but i really like it and now you're [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► telling me i've been priced out of this [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► market like because you want those other [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► customers and that can definitely make [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► people mad but what I keep thinking is [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► the those people getting mad does that [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► affect TextExpander at all [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► like you know this that's the business [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► you try a business model you see are [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► there enough people who are willing to [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► pay 50 60 bucks a year for Texas pander [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► to make up for all the people you're [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► losing who wanted to pay you know $45 [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► once and use it for three years [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► that's the experiment they're running i [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► think it is a perfectly valid experiment [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► to have but a necessary side effect is [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► the sort of the disenfranchised become [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► angry about the fact that previously [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► they had access to this very powerful [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► utility that maybe they only use the [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► case when you're using a fraction of the [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► power of and now they you know they can [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► just use the old version until it [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► eventually stops working and they you [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► know that they've been cut out of that [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► market and they have to look elsewhere [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► it so they could be annoyed by it but i [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► can feel like i can get MIT and [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► particularly mad about it just because i [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► think it is a it's a reasonable strategy [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► for trying to make your business both [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► more profitable which you know flavors [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► all they just want more money yeah [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► that's how business works i can get more [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► profitable and more sustainable because [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► if you get if you ever hit that critical [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► mass like apparently adobe has many [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► other companies are trying two of these [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► users use my tool to make their living [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► they're willing to pay this much every [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► single year and that amount of the pay [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► every single year with the number of [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► them there are is enough to sustain [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► development you can do that essentially [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► indefinitely like as long as you know [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► your competitor doesn't come and steal [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► your thing or your practice and become [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► moot because everyone uses mind control [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► you know so many other things can affect [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► you but at the very least you've got [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► you've got the basic inner workings of a [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► sustainable business model there which [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► is a refreshing change after the sort of [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► boom-bust you know viral hit a throwaway [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► application you know the things that the [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► app stores have brought on where it's [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► like I gotta make a new app every year [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► and it's got to be a big hit and if it [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► isn't going out of business [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► it's so much more comfortable to be able [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► to have loyal customers who pay for your [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► product and they're paying for your [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► product every year pays for development [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► you just do that you know if that really [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► works out for them if they end up making [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► more money from this that's fine I i [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► think there's a couple angles to this to [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► reconsider the first of all and I know [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► you didn't say this but for people [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► thinking this you can't just say oh they [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► just want to make more money it might be [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► that they were declining revenue and [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► they're trying to sustain this business [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► or to keep this product going all that [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► that is making more money that is made [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► more money more money than they were [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► previously making the previous amount [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► was not enough to keep them in business [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► like they need to pay the bills and get [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► the lights on [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► right but like you can look at it as a [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► computer green angle if like they were [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► doing fine before I know that you want [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► to juice it even higher but it's also [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► possible that it was going down before I [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► never trying to just like bring it back [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► up to where it was right so and if you [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► read between the lines and some of the [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► statements they've made it sounds kind [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► of like it wasn't making enough money [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► before for them to justify working on it [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► but do you draw a distinction between [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► those two cases they just outlined as in [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► previously we were sustainable but we [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► felt like we can make more money with [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► this model and previously we were [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► unsustainable so we have to do something [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► to avoid going out of business like you [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► it do you think those those are really [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► any different like is there is that [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► distinction that you make as a customer [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► certainly is a distinction you can [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► imagine making just as kind of like a [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► human being where if they are it looks [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► like they're going to go into business [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► you feel bad for you have empathy for [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► like I like those guys i like their [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► product I don't want to see them go out [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► of business both for selfish reasons [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► like you said because I'm user of the [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► product and I don't you know I wanted to [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► continue to be developed right and also [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► because you feel bad like Oh they've [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► been doing a good job [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► their job is to write programs i think [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► they're good at their job and I would [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► like to see them succeed because you [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► know just basic human empathy and [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► therefore you're more willing to sort of [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► you know allow for changes in their [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► pricing model to sort of help them out [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► versus they had a sustainable business [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► and they just want more money and that [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► suddenly that that is its villainous to [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► do that like that that you should never [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► that as soon as you have enough to pay [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► your bills and not go hungry and pay for [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► food and shelter you should never want [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► more because wanting anything more is [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► entirely like is essentially evil and [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► that's that's agreed and I don't see a [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► hard line between those things i know a [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► lot of people do but it's like where do [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► you draw that line when it was enough [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► money like i have enough to have payroll [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► and enough to pay my mortgage but not [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► enough to to save for retirement send my [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► kids to college is that ok asked to make [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► more money then like I don't know that [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► that if you start breaking that down and [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► starts to be nonsensical so I'm [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► personally going to give wide latitude [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► to making more figuring out ways to make [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► more money with your labor if you're [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► good at writing software and the [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► software product you have made and [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► polished over the years is text expander [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► and you find a way to make more [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► money from that product I don't attach [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► any moral judgment to that at all even [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► if it means that a whole bunch of your [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► previous customers are no longer in your [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► customer base for future versions but i [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► know a lot of people do it and i think i [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► think a lot of that like what you just [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► highlight Margo explains a lot of the [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► anger that people really do draw that [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► line of like you were making enough [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► money to not do not live in the street [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► already and now you want more forget [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► your evil 02 a lot believe me I hear [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► from them a lot of people thought that [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► about that line and I'm not one of them [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► but that you know that I think that [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► could be something to consider here for [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► it you know if you're getting angry at [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► smile for really dramatically raising [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► the price of this app in a way to you [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► might not like you know it might be [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► because they had to but also you have to [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► look at the competitive landscape here [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► there are lots of similar utilities that [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► do the same basic job and just differ in [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► like the features they offer on top of [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► that you know so there's there's lots of [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► alternative to this and honestly today [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► following a very good day for them [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► however you feel about this with you [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► know whether your customer or not [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► looking at it from smiles perspective I [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► i think this was a mistake for them and [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► time will tell i was sat on the market [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► at all [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► time will tell but they have basically [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► discarded a big part of their existing [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► customer base in an effort to either get [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► more money from the parts left and/or to [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► move into a more business-oriented one [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► where there there will be allegedly [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► businesses who use like synced snippets [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► and everything from Texas matter and [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► that might be a big business i don't [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► know i don't I wouldn't have guessed it [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► would be a big business but I'm wrong [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► all the time so that might work out for [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► them if it does that's fine but i don't [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► think this is gonna go well because what [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► I see mostly happening here is you know [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► you could you can make a move like that [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► when you are in a position of strength [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► you know when when you're like the only [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► game in town and people depend on you to [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► get their work done and for a lot of [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► people that will be true but I don't [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► think for enough people because for a [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► big part of the customers who are now [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► faced with a big price hike and removal [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► of features they used vs no other [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► choices they [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► have lots of other choices there's all [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► these alternatives a software things [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► that do this for substantially less [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► money now you know be before they were [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► much more competitive now like they're [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► in a high competition environment so I I [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► think I mean one way to do this or you [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► know one way to resolve this [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► if they wanted to make more money or [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► need to make more money from this you [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► can either cut the costs that you're [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► putting into it or you can charge more [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► both of those are going to affect your [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► users negatively in some way [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► the question is you know which one can [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► you get away with better and I I'm not [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► sure they chose correctly but i don't [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► know how many choices they had AI don't [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► know anything with the business and the [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► natural consequence of this if you just [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► keep playing it out is that you know [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► it's like someone gets the idea we could [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► be enterprise software we could charge a [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► minimum five fingers for any [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► installation of our things like what why [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► not sell TextExpander into you know the [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► sort of large email based support [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► networks of like where if you if you if [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► you're a very large company you just [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► have to hire like literally hundreds and [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► hundreds of people to answer your [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► support emails and everything you'd want [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► to give them tools to do their job well [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► and sort of standardized and basic [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► snippets and templates and so on and so [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► forth you can imagine i'm sure there is [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► really terrible enterprise over that [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► already does that and text expander [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► perhaps these that market and say i [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► would rather sell 5 million dollar [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► installations then yeah you know million [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► five-dollar apps right like that we want [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► to actually become enterprise offerings [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► are as we discussed in many past shows [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► enterprise software can be tempting and [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► can be lucrative and you can be [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► protected from competition by the fact [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► that it's a pain in the butt to sell [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► enterprise offering at the higher sales [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► people is a high barrier to entry and [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► you have relationships and make the old [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► golf courses around the hell goes on but [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► enterprise software is absolutely poison [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► to the quality of your product and it [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► makes you vulnerable to anyone making [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► anything worth a damn because eventually [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► you know the enterprise software the my [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► definition for many years ago was like [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► when the person who buys your software [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► is not the person who uses it and that [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► is a totally misaligned incentives and [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► it leads to software that is very very [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► attractive to buy but terrible to use [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► like it's my big loop stays in business [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► like you really you really want to you [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► you are vulnerable to someone who [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► actually makes a product that the users [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► like because eventually [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► even enterprise you start to result in [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► bring their iphones to work or bring [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► their max to work or bring whatever [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► product they think is not a piece of [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► crap and use that instead so it's not [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► that I'm saying sex offender something [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► terrible you know [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► oracle or is a p-type company but that [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► is if you just keep playing that out and [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► say instead of mass-market low price [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► let's do you know much smaller market [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► much higher price and it could be like [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► you said Marcus if the crowded market [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► for text expander type products [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► how does tex expanded differentiate what [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► do they have the beloved ones don't [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► maybe what they have is we have a very [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► sophisticated feature set we want to be [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► the pro TextExpander product we're going [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► to leave the consumer market to our [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► competitors and let them fight it out [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► for you know thousands and thousands of [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► people want to pay you know 5 10 15 20 [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► 30 40 bucks and we want to move up [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► market and just keep the sort of [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► high-end the people who are willing to [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► pay more for a better fit more [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► sophisticated product because part of [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► how to do the job I don't know how to [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► handicap neither like you said marker we [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► need to run with notes like the intimate [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► details of the text expander market [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► landscape or whatever I have the same [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► feeling that this doesn't seem like a [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► Power Move to me this seems like [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► something they would do because they [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► were having trouble sustaining i do [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► agree that the alternatives you later [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► they're like maybe just lower your costs [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► maybe they had hired too many people [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► make you know I have no idea how big [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► their their staffing is there but that's [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► one way to go but the other way is to [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► you know because I make it up and lack [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► of volume can we make more money by [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► selling to fewer people for a higher [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► price and that seems again with total [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► vacuum of knowledge to me if I had to [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► make a bet i would say that that has a [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► higher chance of failing and not because [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► it's really really hard to do that i [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► mean it's it's hard to do in either [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► direction to say hey if we if we cut the [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► price in half we get more than double [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► the customers especially in the appstore [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► market the way it is that has worked for [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► many people more often than hey if we [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► double our price or triple our price [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► can we get more than half for his third [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► as many people i don't know but this is [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► business like I don't I again I [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► understand what people get angry about [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► it but like that's how it works and they [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► decide a price and they say we are [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► offering you the service priceline [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► customers decide whether it's worth it [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► for them it is not worth it they don't [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► buy it and that is signal the company [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► that you need to change something and if [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► it is you know and maybe the signal they [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► were getting with the $45 [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► one-time purchase product was people [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► will buy it but they don't like upgrades [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► and we can't pay to maintain the [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► software so i think we're just you know [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► will come to revisit this in a year and [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► see how it worked out for them but i [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► think going on market is a viable [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► strategy I just feel like they might [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► have to go even farther on market than [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► this and i agree with every Marco said [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► about it's kind of like the you know the [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► things we talked about with with [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► overcast like perception-wise that you [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► being cut out of the market you know in [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► a way it makes you feel bad like I you [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► know I like the previous deal i was [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► getting and now they've altered the deal [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► and case you can finish that reference [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► for Murphy remembers it and they're sad [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► about it and they also think there's no [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► reason for it but i don't think they're [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► looking at it from the perspective of [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► texas-pan why should they are just the [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► customer but from the perspective [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► protect expands like maybe maybe to [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► expand doesn't want you as a customer [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► anymore it's like what do you mean you [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► don't want me to bring such a loyal [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► customer i love the product why wouldn't [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► they want me anymore [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► why can't why can't they just continue [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► to make the product that i've been using [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► it since withdraw can just keep taking [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► me forever and the answer is because you [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► don't want to pay for it again i do want [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► a paper again i'll pay you forty five [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► dollars right now would you [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► suddenly you're ready to pay $45 they [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► came up with universal TextExpander you [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► bought six months ago you'd be excited [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► to play $45 for a new version i don't [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► know if you anyway even if you would [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► maybe there's not enough other people [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► like you and so they have to come up [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► with something different it's it's not [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► it's not personal just business [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► I made passing reference earlier but i [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► think it is important to reiterate that [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► no one password change well maybe not [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► change their model but augmented their [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► model by this one password four teams [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► and then one password for families and [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► the thing that that made me cool with [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► one password four teams one password for [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► families was it didn't change the way [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► things were so it was not a change as [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► like I said a second ago was an [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► augmentation or in addition if 1password [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► hypothetically had said you know what if [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► you want to sync between your own [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► devices leave aside other people leave [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► aside the team aspects of the family [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► aspect if they had said that hey if you [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► want to sync your passwords between your [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► devices guess what you have to sign up [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► for five dollars a month [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► uh I would be fairly upset because I [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► would feel like I got hoodwinked I would [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► feel like it was a bait-and-switch and I [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► freaking love 1password i consider it [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► like you're I think it was you John [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► describing earlier name is Marco but it [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► is essential for me to get my my life [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► done not even my work but my life I [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► loved one password i would probably pay [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► five dollars a month for this [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► hypothetical sink only service but i [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► would be pretty frustrated with it and I [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► would perhaps go from saying i freaking [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► love 1password to yeah I like 1password [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► i use it as it turns out because there [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► they didn't take away what i already had [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► and additionally they they added this [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► new family feature that's five dollars [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► per I think her family per month and [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► families to find us like I don't know [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► fiber so people forget exactly the [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► specifics [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► I've signed up one password for family [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► and that was actually the impetus I [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► needed a to continue get Aaron using one [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► password as well which we haven't [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► actually done yet but it's on her to-do [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► list for the weekend is to get Aaron [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► finally using one password and and that [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► to me is the right way to handle this [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► but just like you guys said you know [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► making I'm making all these [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► proclamations in a vacuum and I don't [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► know what with smiles dealing with I [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► don't know what they're up against but [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► taking away what's already there in that [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► in that they're saying that they're not [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► going to support dropbox and other sink [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► methods man that it's hard not to feel [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► burned by that and even if you're [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► sympathetic to them it's hard not to [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► feel burned but you wonder with it's [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► like intentional like will see in the [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► coming days if they change course [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► because it could have been like [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► 1password it was essentially expanded [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► their market like I said we have all [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► these Yammer's their product we think [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► some of these customers would be willing [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► to pay more because it is really [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► important to them so if we give them [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► this one extra feature this family [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► singing or whatever we're gonna leave [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► all the existing customers with the [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► product they have it's the same product [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► it's not you know we're not excluding [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► them we just want to expand the market [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► with this new little bump in our little [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► you know the blob that is the market put [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► another little bump that's and these [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► people are willing to pay five bucks a [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► month everyone else keeps what they've [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► got [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► but we can we can extract more money [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► from our customers for certain subset of [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► the customers by giving them a little [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► bit more and charging them a little bit [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► more it totally see if that's what [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► texture was trying to do doesn't seem [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► like you did it well because what they [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► did instead was took the blob that is [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► their market sliced off most of it and [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► then the remaining parts is the people [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► who are willing to pay fifty dollars a [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► year right if that's not what they [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► intended then you'll see scrambling a [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► week now all we've changed our mind in [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► fact you can use text expander sync with [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► sex offender sex with dropbox thinking [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► or you can use text expander six with no [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► syncing for the old price or whatever [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► like will see like I'm basing my you [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► know looking at what this move as if [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► this is intentional because we all see [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► the effects that it's happening i think [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► they see the effects that is having if [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► that is an intentional i think they will [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► backpedal and say we need to what we [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► really meant to do was actually just get [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► more money from the people who use it a [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► lot but not lose all those other [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► customers because we totally need them [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► so we'll see if they change their mind [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► based on you know the first week or two [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► of you know sales and returning and [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► complaints about it but I think both of [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► those strategies are viable like one is [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► not made one of them makes Casey said I [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► mean you know obviously if you're in the [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► market that gets cut off by that [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► strategy can be you know not good for [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► you but in the end it doesn't you know [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► from the company's perspective it [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► doesn't matter except for perhaps [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► long-term brand loyalty decisions but [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► again if you're going towards the high [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► end or enterprise the enterprise people [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► may love you even more if you add all [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► the super power user features like hell [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► yeah i'll pay fifty dollars a year oh [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► you know this is how I make my living [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► sure you know [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► sign me up and especially if they they [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► realized after year that this means new [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► versions come out regularly bugs get [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► fixed [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► you know better whatever but with as [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► with all things you can't assume [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► omniscient some on the part of either [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► party here so it's it's it's possible [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► that they just didn't anticipate the [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► backlash and I guess we'll find out in [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► the next week shows or the week after we [TS]

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00:46:07 ◼   ► there's lots of reasons to have them for [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► convenience of course you know there's [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► you can see who's at your door you can [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► respond and what's really cool is [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► there's advanced motion detection here [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► this alerts you whether or not somebody [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► actually rings the doorbell or not if [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► they're if there's just like a person [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► who walks up to your door ring will [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► alert you about that too it's like all [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► ID for your house like no matter whether [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► some reasonable or not they alert you to [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► regardless of whether your home or not [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► because it uses your phone in addition [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► to your actual doorbell like ringer [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► so if you're not home you still get [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► notified and you can respond through [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► two-way audio through the ring doorbell [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► so you can pretend like you're home [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► the advantages here and only your [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► convenience but also safety for your [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► home in your possessions because ring is [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► found over ninety-five percent of home [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► break-ins and burglaries happened during [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► the day and brothers usually start by [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► ringing your doorbell to see if [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► somebody's home and of course if they're [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► home you'd generally move on right [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► so with the ring video doorbell it can [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► actually be a security benefits not only [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► showing you when people walk up to your [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► door and having a record of that but [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► also it can help to her people first of [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► all they know they're being watched once [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► you respond and they'll think you're [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► home and so they'll move on [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► so in addition to all the incredible [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► convenience features of having a video [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► doorbell it's pretty great for home [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► security as well you missed the [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► essential feature of this we talk about [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► home security and you know if you're not [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► in the house the key one is for the [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► ultra lazy you can hit the door without [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► getting up with your catch you can send [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► away so listeners you can you know tell [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► the delivery guy just put it on the [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► doorstep [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► you know you could like you can see who [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► it is and decide to pretend you're not [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► at home all while you just sit in your [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► living room watching TV i love that [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► that's what you took away from this was [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► like yes is really is in a blur i do you [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► know how to get up from your couch you [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► can just pick up your phone and go now [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► I'm not answering that [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► no sorry I'm not interested in whatever [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► you're selling you know they're only [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► robbing the civic it's fine [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► ya know so check it out today it can [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► work with your existing wiring for your [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► doorbell or they also have a model that [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► uses a battery so you don't need to wire [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► it to ring dot com / ATP this is widely [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► recognized as a great gadget by time [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► magazine USA Today to name a few [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► listeners get a free expedited shipping [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► rate by using our co2 if you go to bring [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► calm / ATP you get free fast shipping [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► check out today with the ring video [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► doorbell [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► you're always home go to bring calm / [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► ATP now thanks a lot [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► this this actually segues into our our [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► next our next topic slightly unbeknownst [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► to Marco although he's probably the one [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► who wrote it there because i think this [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► is a good time to bring this up with me [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► having my ipod stolen out of my car by [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► the way speaking a lot of having sold my [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► car when they got to having you guys [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► were talking about your your various [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► ways of trying to play folder show love [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► mp3 is like it's 1994 and you're in your [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► cars [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► why do neither one of you do what I had [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► been doing which is take one of the many [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► old iOS devices that is no longer useful [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► for anything and connect it through USB [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► to your car and just leave it in there [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► permanently aside from the fact you're [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► afraid it's going to storm out of your [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► car setting that aside if you do that [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► you will get all the things you talked [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► about like it you know real interface to [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► playing things hopefully reasonable [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► album art not worried about it actually [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► doing things alphabetical if you park [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► your car close enough to get Wi-Fi from [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► your house and your thing has you know [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► itunes in the cloud things think you [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► won't even have to bring the thing back [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► into put your music on your new musical [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► just think to it you know silently when [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► you drive your car home and just let it [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► sit there right [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► that seems like it would solve all your [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► problems assuming you had a place to [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► store the connected ipod and all that is [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► is that not something you guys are [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► interested now definitely i don't want [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► another thing to manage i would either [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► use the stuff that's built into the car [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► like i was describing earlier because i [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► actually don't have a problem with it or [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► if it's not already in my car then I [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► would just use bluetooth on my phone but [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► what are you managing those likes it [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► literally my thing is just it's plugged [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► in in in a closed compartment and I [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► never even see it and like I said now [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► that that I park within Wi-Fi range of [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► my house I it gets my new music on if i [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► buy a new song that song is on my car [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► like the next time I Drive it isn't [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► there is nothing to manage you don't [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► need to recharge it because it charges [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► when you drive your car get all the [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► features that you would expect like on [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► my on-screen display showing the artist [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► album the whole thing it even shows you [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► know unicode characters and the title is [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► correctly like everything just works and [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► this is a honda accord i'm assuming all [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► your fancy BMWs intestines have the same [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► ability [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► the only downside is you got to have an [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► iOS device which is way larger than the [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► little tiny thumb drive that mark eyes [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► so it turns out [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► Tesla actually does not support ipod USB [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► interfaces [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► Oh like the only support either USB [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► folders like USB file browser or [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► Bluetooth the preemptively spotting the [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► Apple car gonna compete with us APPL [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► rumored to be could possibly in the [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► future competing with us no USB support [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► for ipods I mean it also could be [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► possible that like you know either a [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► they haven't gotten to it yet because [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► they're a little bit new at or be they [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► just probably think like you know the [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► future is Bluetooth anyway for you know [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► for that kind of role for most people so [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► it'sit's kind of it probably isn't worth [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► the trouble to build that into a car [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► that like you started the media system [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► platform only a few years ago [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► yeah I mean I couldn't you could do also [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► the same thing like my ipod that I have [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► plugged into the USB interface i could [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► leave it plugged into USB just for [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► charging purposes and then had that [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► connect your bluetooth [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► yeah like anyway anyway that sort of [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► that derail the the the topics related [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► to the ring doorbell is recording the [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► show notes here who presumably written [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► by Marco Marco recent experiments and [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► home automation surveillance and general [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► madness i'm adding that last part [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► yeah this was my grab bag of topics that [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► we were not if we're at a time or two [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► topics today we wanted something else [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► and you moved it out what you didn't run [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► out i actually I shuffle shuffle it [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► upwards because i see i see your tweets [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► about like I doesn't can anyone tell me [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► how to find a replacement for 3-way [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► light switches that will respond to like [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► voice commands to my amazon echo and it [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► sounds like you're really you're really [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► going off the deep end as as is your way [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► so i actually don't wanna hear about it [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► ok so let me let me preface by saying i [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► think i said this last week that you [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► know earlier in in I forget what it was [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► but there was our Thanksgiving episode [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► or whether it was after the new year [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► sometime we were in a positive mood and [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► we were expressing what we're going to [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► do in the future this year whatever and [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► one of the things I said was I because i [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► had been having trouble getting excited [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► about a lot of stuff coming out of apple [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► recently I decided that you know I [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► wanted to start exploring more outside [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► of the apple ecosystem you know just [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► other stuff other platforms other [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► exciting things happening technology [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► that aren't from apple and so that the [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► test obviously was it was contributing [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► to that quite a bit but also i've [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► recently said you know what let me let [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► me explore [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► past a serie and everyone saying the [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► Amazon echo is really good so you know [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► what the heck I'll try you are our [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► friends have fun for a while and [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► whatever whatever we're over there i [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► always think like you know that that's [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► kind of really awesome i do you talk to [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► it and plays good music and agency and [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► like the voice activation was really [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► good and fast and always worked and I [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► think that's kind of incredible like you [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► being because i'm not gonna try meant [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► nothing about Apple but she'll be [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► accustomed to serie a for Apple in the [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► Amazon echo by comparison is extremely [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► fast to recognize what you're saying and [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► can recognize it at a seemingly much [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► higher success rate from for me at least [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► an enemy in the environment I've seen it [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► and even in in conditions that you would [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► think would be hostile like while it's [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► already loudly playing music in a loud [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► room and you are 12 feet away it can [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► still recognize you [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► most of the time so that it's actually [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► surprisingly good if you're if you've [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► only ever used Syria as like your voice [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► control baseline it really is [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► surprisingly good i would say in many [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► ways substantially better probably not [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► every way but in the ways that i use it [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► for it is substantially better anyway so [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► we got an echo [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► I decided you know what else can this [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► thing do and it turns out when you're [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► not in you know similar to what is [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► covered with USB sticks when you're not [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► in the apple ecosystem nothing cost any [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► money you can get a ridiculous number of [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► like smart objects hey things things [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► with ports or Wi-Fi in them for almost [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► nothing so for instance one of the [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► things because got was amazon dash [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► buttons look at its this it seems [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► ridiculous for five dollars which [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► becomes a five-dollar credit once you [TS]