The Accidental Tech Podcast

167: They’ve Opened the Door to Streakers


  John Carlucci are you broke now dude you [TS]

  gotta take it will talk about the show [TS]

  time [TS]

  that's the show so how's things going [TS]

  John how was your vacation in california [TS]

  it was very Californian he didn't he [TS]

  didn't really live in reality everywhere [TS]

  you went you just dropped hundred-dollar [TS]

  bills like they were like they were [TS]

  singles sometimes it felt like glad [TS]

  you're expensive things there but [TS]

  overall everything worked out if they [TS]

  took every form of transportation except [TS]

  for a taxi [TS]

  I don't even know they still have those [TS]

  in san francisco i think i've been [TS]

  outlawed yeah so the vacations good you [TS]

  seem to hang out with the most of the [TS]

  Friends of the internet that i can think [TS]

  of that are in that neck of the woods [TS]

  yeah we did all the touristy things that [TS]

  you can do in san francisco you know [TS]

  that bus tours did you like Alcatraz [TS]

  Korea and alcatraz road on a cable car [TS]

  went to the really windy Street you know [TS]

  did all the tourist things you can do ya [TS]

  love the tourist things in San Francisco [TS]

  are right on are really bad road take [TS]

  mass transit and go to jail into the [TS]

  woods to know and we went to beaches up [TS]

  and down the coast on the beach in santa [TS]

  cruz and some other beach that i don't i [TS]

  don't know where it is but it's got [TS]

  little tidal pools that the Pacific [TS]

  Ocean stuff when a hike in marin county [TS]

  you know just lots of lots of things we [TS]

  fought in the short number of days were [TS]

  there so as we record it is friday night [TS]

  the 22nd we should probably talk about [TS]

  the elephant in the room [TS]

  wdc ticket announcements are starting to [TS]

  trickle out as we record this how to go [TS]

  for John and the lead-up to this I had [TS]

  some issues that i had to deal with [TS]

  mostly of my own creation but when you [TS]

  sign up for the lottery [TS]

  it has the this year I had the same [TS]

  message they had think it was the same [TS]

  as that in previous years but I write [TS]

  the same realities in previous years [TS]

  which is if you enter the lottery and [TS]

  you win the lottery they attempt to [TS]

  charge your credit card at the moment [TS]

  they have decided you won the lottery [TS]

  and if that charge doesn't go through [TS]

  for some reason they say [TS]

  actually you have not won lottery we're [TS]

  moving on to the next person which is [TS]

  very bad [TS]

  it happened a lot of people in the past [TS]

  and apples I'm pretty good about trying [TS]

  to go back and give them tickets later [TS]

  but it's a really terrible system in [TS]

  that if they pick your name out of the [TS]

  Hat is a winner of lottery they should [TS]

  give you a day or two to sort out the [TS]

  payment situation now why might your [TS]

  credit card rejected because your credit [TS]

  card company is fraud happy and it sees [TS]

  this big $69 charge randomly on a card [TS]

  night I don't know how that fraud [TS]

  detection works but if you trip your [TS]

  credit card companies fraud detection [TS]

  apple will give your ticket to somebody [TS]

  else they won't say well you got [TS]

  rejected but will give you 24 to 48 [TS]

  hours to start out with your credit card [TS]

  company right now they just move on [TS]

  immediately and so this year same [TS]

  message they said just want you to know [TS]

  that if we fail to charge your credit [TS]

  card [TS]

  we're taking your takeaway giving to [TS]

  someone else which is terrible just [TS]

  terrible system so it should be the n 24 [TS]

  to 48 hours let the people sort out [TS]

  whether they get it so I was afraid this [TS]

  would happen when i signed up I saw that [TS]

  the credit card had in there is my [TS]

  traditional this is what i used to buy [TS]

  my max with credit card which also [TS]

  happens to be the traditional Apple [TS]

  cannot charge my credit card because the [TS]

  payment company rejected because it [TS]

  thinks it's fraud i bought so many [TS]

  thousands of dollars for the maximum is [TS]

  one credit card same number it's never [TS]

  been stalled on the internet it's a [TS]

  miracle right and year after year every [TS]

  time I try to buy Apple equipment with [TS]

  it they market is fraud one of the [TS]

  things i suggested hey apple says this [TS]

  message you should call your credit card [TS]

  company and tell them to expect a 1600 [TS]

  charge sometime in the next you know [TS]

  between the 22nd in the 25th from going [TS]

  to tell you the name is just from apple [TS]

  computer so that's what some people have [TS]

  done and again people have done it and [TS]

  call the credit card company and tell [TS]

  them please don't reject my card there's [TS]

  going to be a charge in the credit card [TS]

  you will say yes thumbs up don't worry [TS]

  it'll go through and that gets rejected [TS]

  because the credit card companies well [TS]

  and I think also like the whole thing [TS]

  about like all your credit company to [TS]

  like pre-approve a big transaction I [TS]

  think that's kind of like the door close [TS]

  button on most elevators their system is [TS]

  all like so advanced for fraud detection [TS]

  these days like I'm pretty sure like [TS]

  when you when you call most greater [TS]

  companies and tell them like oh hey [TS]

  whitelist this thing in the future that [TS]

  hasn't even happened yet [TS]

  I don't think they even can doing [TS]

  because the system is based mostly on [TS]

  like you have a pre-approval orally or [TS]

  the other can attempt for the charge [TS]

  and then do you have like do we actually [TS]

  like a commit for the charge [TS]

  yeah and if they don't have even the [TS]

  attempt for the charge I don't think the [TS]

  people on the phone can even do anything [TS]

  about it [TS]

  yeah it's funny you bring that up [TS]

  because last year I saw that same [TS]

  message and the fear was put in me and I [TS]

  called my credit card company and I got [TS]

  on the phone with M&S ok you know I'd [TS]

  really like to try to get this charge [TS]

  pre-approved so really it's really [TS]

  important to me and they basically in so [TS]

  many words said yeah that's not a thing [TS]

  we can't do that goodbye clunk oh so [TS]

  this year I did the same thing and I [TS]

  call the credit card company and i took [TS]

  a different approach this time and I [TS]

  said hey there's a really important [TS]

  charge that may or may not be going [TS]

  through and I'd really like to make sure [TS]

  that it doesn't get held up i can you [TS]

  like pre-approve it or annotate my [TS]

  account in some way such that there's a [TS]

  note that this is acceptable and so I [TS]

  eventually got pushed to the fraud [TS]

  department which makes sense because [TS]

  they're the ones who keep track of this [TS]

  thing and I got on the phone with the [TS]

  the woman and she had said you know okay [TS]

  well what were you trying to accomplish [TS]

  what I'd like to prove this thing will [TS]

  you have to understand like there's a [TS]

  lottery and if i win the lottery when we [TS]

  are talking like some sort of one thing [TS]

  no no it's not getting its alright [TS]

  here's the thing so there's this like [TS]

  the conference it's a nerd conference [TS]

  but it's really important to me and this [TS]

  and that and eventually she was like [TS]

  okay too much information already [TS]

  yeah you've already lost yeah so she's [TS]

  okay whatever so I've made a note and [TS]

  then I'm thinking to myself okay well um [TS]

  I don't know if it's relevant or not but [TS]

  the charge would be from Apple she [TS]

  didn't even care who the charges from so [TS]

  I think you're right that she was like [TS]

  yeah okay whatever that's great going [TS]

  and then I by coincidence happen to see [TS]

  a friend of the show underscore David [TS]

  Smith for lunch today and he and I were [TS]

  talking about it and he immediately came [TS]

  to the same conclusion that you guys did [TS]

  which is the 1i eventually came to which [TS]

  was [TS]

  oh yeah this is not a thing it's all [TS]

  automated there's nothing you can do [TS]

  about it anyway [TS]

  good freakin lock these charges look so [TS]

  suspicious also because like it's 1600 [TS]

  dollars which is as much as a laptop [TS]

  costs from a company that if you stole a [TS]

  credit card and you want to go get a [TS]

  quick with something you could quickly [TS]

  flip and sell you probably go buy a [TS]

  fancy technology product like a fancy [TS]

  laptop from apple and so like I [TS]

  it lots of fraudulent charges are for [TS]

  Apple it's also a card not present [TS]

  transaction because it's done online so [TS]

  again if you steal credit card online [TS]

  you probably gonna go try to place order [TS]

  from the Apple web store which is [TS]

  exactly where these charges come from [TS]

  and so it's like I get and and you're [TS]

  calling up and saying like this charge [TS]

  might happen I can't even tell you that [TS]

  I'm definitely trying it i haven't tried [TS]

  it yet this church might happen in a few [TS]

  days so there's you're basically asking [TS]

  their fraud detection systems to [TS]

  completely go against all of the all of [TS]

  their hero sticks and instinct but [TS]

  basically so the note the person made in [TS]

  your account that's for other human [TS]

  beings to read the thing that's going to [TS]

  reject your WWDC charge is not a human [TS]

  and will never look at that note and [TS]

  therefore that notice meaningless [TS]

  oh I completely agree and that's exactly [TS]

  what underscored said as well and I [TS]

  think you're right that it really was [TS]

  just so i could go to sleep at night [TS]

  that if for some reason I had a [TS]

  rejection that I have done everything in [TS]

  my power to make sure that this goes [TS]

  through which is to say I've wasted five [TS]

  minutes of my time and several phone [TS]

  operators time [TS]

  yeah so I had a an alternate strategy [TS]

  suggested by my wife which was why don't [TS]

  you use the credit card that doesn't get [TS]

  rejected which is another one of our [TS]

  credit cards that historically speaking [TS]

  has not gotten me they rejected every [TS]

  time we tried to buy expensive things [TS]

  with it i think we might have gotten [TS]

  spam heart barber with it [TS]

  in fact i did buy some apple hardware [TS]

  with it in California talk about later [TS]

  and so that's a good idea so I went to [TS]

  go change the default credit cards after [TS]

  i dented lottery already i'm nervous and [TS]

  like I already entered the lottery it [TS]

  said that was gonna use that card [TS]

  interchange a different card so I I [TS]

  login to that Apple ID and the have you [TS]

  seen the new site for like [TS] when you sign in [TS]

  that's weird interface where thing is [TS]

  centered and shows your certificates in [TS]

  your itunes connect account and anyway [TS]

  there's an option to go edit your [TS]

  account or your change your payment [TS]

  method and that sends you to apple ID at [TS] and wants you to sign in Marin [TS]

  and my apple ID and try to side in and [TS]

  it says this Apple ID is not an email [TS]

  address you cannot continue and I knew [TS]

  this day would come someday I have an [TS]

  apple ID that is not an email address [TS]

  because I got over [TS]

  long time ago and i've been using it for [TS]

  years and years going to wtz with it [TS]

  doing all sorts of stuff with it and [TS]

  many people I know who had non email [TS]

  Apple IDs had gotten that same message [TS]

  many years pass and had to change it and [TS]

  so I think this is the right the best [TS]

  time to change my apple ID from one [TS]

  that's not an email to one that's an [TS]

  email but i also want to change the [TS]

  payment method and this is the only i [TS]

  tried many different ways to get around [TS]

  this can i get my credit card [TS]

  information without going through this [TS]

  thing that demands they change it to an [TS]

  email [TS]

  eventually i gave up and said I have to [TS]

  change it to an email so now my nan [TS]

  email Apple ID is no more [TS]

  it has been converted recipe miles an [TS]

  email address Apple ID like the rest of [TS]

  the peons and and but I could get into [TS]

  change my credit card and i did and i [TS]

  change the credit card that does not get [TS]

  rejected so that was all my prep and I [TS]

  thought long and hard about you i'll [TS]

  just leave it the way it is or should I [TS]

  try to call somebody to get the credit [TS]

  card changed over the phone while [TS]

  leaving my apple ID is a good idea [TS]

  anyway and that was most of the [TS]

  excitement and bother about it because I [TS]

  thought they were going to tell us who [TS]

  got the ticket on the twenty-fifth but I [TS]

  guess it's just that the lower bound but [TS]

  I saw Marco talking slack about how he [TS]

  hadn't gotten an email that WC yet so i [TS]

  checked my email inbox and lo and behold [TS]

  I saw a 1500 $99 charge yeah you have a [TS]

  WC check it and then I had to scramble [TS]

  and buy plane tickets into all this [TS]

  stuff so i'm going i will be there even [TS]

  though I was just there i will be there [TS]

  again it will cost a tremendous amount [TS]

  of money still haven't decided which [TS]

  hotel which of the two hotel [TS]

  reservations I made I'm going to keep it [TS]

  which I'm going to cancel but one of [TS]

  them i will keep so i will be there [TS]

  yeah right so what else is going on [TS]

  these days you you guys have an [TS]

  experience has been like did you [TS]

  wouldn't a lot the ticket lottery [TS]

  let's talk about anything else in the [TS]

  entire world with that know if you had [TS]

  to take it by your sadness that neither [TS]

  one of you got tickets in the lottery as [TS]

  as we record i have not received an [TS]

  email i have not received a you got one [TS]

  email and i have not received a hot [TS]

  tough cookies email either right you've [TS]

  got until the 25th technically to see [TS]

  whether you get one just because you [TS]

  don't have [TS]

  right now does not mean you're not going [TS]

  to get a ticket lottery because they [TS]

  have a three-day window there so yeah [TS]

  it's probably not happening now I did [TS]

  not see any teach any attempted charge [TS]

  against my card or the person wouldn't [TS]

  even see an attempted once it went [TS]

  through i did not see a charge go [TS]

  through but like i said i haven't [TS]

  received the screw you email yet my [TS]

  coworker Jamie I'm he did get one on the [TS]

  same master account like we're two [TS]

  individuals to members of the same group [TS]

  account here he got his so i'm not too [TS]

  terribly helpful but strictly speaking I [TS]

  have until Monday afternoon to see but [TS]

  we'll see what happens I i have not yet [TS]

  received any confirmation or denial and [TS]

  Marco I believe you're in the same boat [TS]

  that is correct i have seen no no [TS]

  response about my ticket status and [TS]

  they're also i checked my bank and there [TS]

  is not a pending charge on the credit [TS]

  card so I i I've heard you know like dat [TS]

  tapes for the chat is saying that he [TS]

  asked around that that apparently the [TS]

  the charges are still being processed [TS]

  that like it's not over yet but i think [TS]

  it's probably over and that's you know I [TS]

  we talked about this on on [TS]

  under-the-radar this past week or last [TS]

  week i guess i am totally fine going [TS]

  without a ticket [TS]

  like I would prefer to have a ticket but [TS]

  every year i think my need for it goes [TS]

  down and in this year if I if I don't [TS]

  get one through the regular process like [TS]

  everybody else I think obviously like [TS]

  I'm not gonna try to pull strings or [TS]

  anything or you know try to email around [TS]

  or email developer relations or whatever [TS]

  i'm not i don't think i'm gonna do any [TS]

  of that because I don't I if I can get [TS]

  one to the regular means that's great [TS]

  but if I don't you know that out that's [TS]

  fine too i'll let somebody else take it [TS]

  so what do you think about would test [TS]

  this briefly and it's like what do you [TS]

  think about the idea that one or all of [TS]

  us should get tickets because we have a [TS]

  podcast where we talk about apple stuff [TS]

  in other words of us going as press [TS]

  rather than as I develop iOS developers [TS]

  or whatever because i think that is a [TS]

  perfectly legitimate reason people to go [TS]

  to WC in fact I [TS]

  even the past had press pass to WTC for [TS]

  writing is 10 reviews which I'm no [TS]

  longer doing but podcasts our thing and [TS]

  people interested in technology listen [TS]

  to podcast and at the very least you can [TS]

  imagine especially now that they're [TS]

  holding the keynote and the big [TS]

  auditorium will talk about later but [TS]

  there's more room for precedent it you [TS]

  know for the keynote at least if not for [TS]

  the entire conference or maybe just for [TS]

  the first day things with the state of [TS]

  the union everything like that [TS]

  why shouldn't somebody who has a [TS]

  reasonably popular apple tech related [TS]

  podcast be in the running at least be [TS]

  considered for press passes how many [TS]

  tech podcast do get press passes to WC [TS]

  as far as I know there aren't any I'm [TS]

  not aware of any pure podcast they get [TS]

  press passes and they're not there's not [TS]

  an Associated website is not like oh I'm [TS]

  from the verge cast but I'm part of the [TS]

  Virgin the bird gets press passes like [TS]

  just all you have is a podcast kind of [TS]

  like we have there is no ATP website to [TS]

  speak up Marcos got his blog and we all [TS]

  have our own individual blogs and [TS]

  there's an ATM website for the podcast [TS]

  but its not like its associated with a [TS]

  website that has any appreciable traffic [TS]

  for just the show so why shouldn't there [TS]

  be a category of you know we're going to [TS]

  press passes to of course all the big [TS]

  publications and all the big websites [TS]

  and also one or two tech podcast that we [TS]

  pick out of a hat or something [TS]

  I completely agree with you I don't [TS]

  think it's unreasonable but clearly i'm [TS]

  extremely biased and especially right [TS]

  now because although i'm not saying i'm [TS]

  going to pull a bunch of strings because [TS]

  honestly I don't think I even have [TS]

  strings to pull but if strings were [TS]

  pulled on my behalf people of the [TS]

  internet i wouldn't complain because I'm [TS]

  still better know that stuff and I would [TS]

  still I would still love to get an [TS]

  actual ticket into the big show [TS]

  I will be there regardless but I would [TS]

  love to have a ticket [TS]

  especially since it is more pertinent to [TS]

  my to my world than ever before [TS]

  nobody really like 44 up among the three [TS]

  of us I think Casey you probably have [TS]

  the biggest justification for going this [TS]

  year this year yeah I don't think we [TS]

  could see that in years past but this [TS]

  year i would agree although it's [TS]

  probably best that have any of us John [TS]

  gets it because all three of us know [TS]

  that if john didn't get a ticket there's [TS]

  no freaking way we convince him to go to [TS]

  San Francisco for funsies exactly i was [TS]

  just there do anything [TS]

  exactly even more reason for you to tell [TS]

  us to kindly screw off [TS]

  it is worth pointing out also that like [TS]

  the depressed tickets like that the [TS]

  people who cover the the keynote for the [TS]

  press who get press badges [TS]

  first of all it's kind of awesome [TS]

  giggles you don't have to wait in the [TS]

  four hour long line but second of all [TS]

  those people do not get conference [TS]

  badges for the rest of the conference [TS]

  it's only the keynote in in general [TS]

  there are there are exceptions [TS]

  yeah it's very rare to have an exception [TS]

  though you know it would be plausible [TS]

  unreasonable for them to consider large [TS]

  tech podcasts to cover the developer [TS]

  conference to give them press passes but [TS]

  it wouldn't necessarily follow that they [TS]

  would get conference tickets and that [TS]

  and the press passes tend to go out far [TS]

  later like the you know we're not like [TS]

  the press people aren't getting invited [TS]

  now everybody get invited to it before [TS]

  the event [TS]

  yeah and in the old days it used to be [TS]

  you know that the USA Today and the new [TS]

  york times in Time magazine stuff will [TS]

  get press passes but websites would not [TS]

  and then eventually a couple of websites [TS]

  became part of the Blessed set that [TS]

  Apple PR chose to give pass through [TS]

  these days it seems like it's been [TS]

  mostly websites and then of course paper [TS]

  complications or whatever so there is a [TS]

  progression of what are the what is the [TS]

  the the the entities that are allowed to [TS]

  get press passes what are they are they [TS]

  newspapers magazines websites podcast I [TS]

  don't think you're in that group yet but [TS]

  it's a natural progression from only [TS]

  inviting paper publications to also [TS]

  including websites to eventually [TS]

  including podcast assuming the audience [TS]

  of any podcast is big enough to warrant [TS]

  that may be ours isn't you know i'm not [TS]

  saying that we you know that ATP needs [TS]

  to get some but i am yeah i'll say that [TS]

  yeah but come on John promote yourself [TS]

  well you got one you're fine yeah you [TS]

  don't care i mean i got press pass with [TS]

  our technical perspective as a very big [TS]

  website and the verge of a very big [TS]

  website right where's and any individual [TS]

  podcast can't really compare to the size [TS]

  of a very big website like that so maybe [TS]

  there's some minimum number that they [TS]

  you know a minimum minimum audience size [TS]

  or whatever they want [TS]

  do anyway I think if someone inside [TS]

  apples into this that it would be silly [TS]

  not to include podcasts in your list of [TS]

  entities who should get press passes for [TS]

  the keynote on the first day studying [TS]

  stuff because it wasn't the podcast [TS]

  people like them and they're just as a [TS]

  legitimate form of coverage and [TS]

  discussion as anything else it's also [TS]

  worth pointing out to that the the watch [TS]

  event the very first watch event and [TS]

  went over this like September November [TS]

  2014 write something like that and that [TS]

  was at the bill Grampa storm also [TS]

  actually but that very first watch event [TS]

  at that event that was the first time [TS]

  where they really invited a very broad [TS]

  swath of press and partly because they [TS]

  were going into a new categories they [TS]

  had like watch press fashion press but [TS]

  that was also the first president I know [TS]

  of where they invited major youtube tech [TS]

  people like mkbhd it seems like they're [TS]

  like breaking the YouTube barrier or the [TS]

  YouTube seal they're breaking the [TS]

  YouTube zeal in the last couple of [TS]

  events recently at least the really big [TS]

  ones I so maybe podcast have some hope [TS]

  and unfortunately you know podcasts are [TS]

  indeed older than you too but youtube is [TS]

  way bigger than podcasts and like mkbhd [TS]

  had like his audience has is probably 10 [TS]

  or 15 times the size of ours at least it [TS]

  probably more than that I haven't looked [TS]

  recently millions i got millions of [TS]

  viewers are not on the youtube channel [TS]

  so yeah exactly yeah so so you know [TS]

  there are there are lots of like you [TS]

  know really popular youtubers who would [TS]

  buy raw numbers be ranked way above a [TS]

  tech podcast like ours but you know [TS]

  Apple PR also it's not purely based on [TS]

  numbers it's partly based on like you [TS]

  know who you know it's partly based on a [TS]

  long established reputation and probably [TS]

  based on influence so somebody who has a [TS]

  relatively small readership but high [TS]

  influence like jim dalrymple is a great [TS]

  example [TS]

  jim dalrymple site like if you look at [TS]

  his numbers on it on his stats and [TS]

  sponsorship pages like there are sites [TS]

  that get more than that that don't get [TS]

  passes but because he's so influential [TS]

  that and he's been around so long [TS]

  covering this stuff I think that helps [TS]

  him be included on those lists so this [TS]

  there's it isn't all about numbers it is [TS]

  also about influence and relationships [TS]

  yeah some of the chat room is saying [TS]

  that that [TS]

  if they if they picked like it picked [TS]

  all three of us maybe we'll be like you [TS]

  know inside baseball IQ chamber [TS]

  favoritism or whatever like that's the [TS]

  job of PR the PR department yeah it's [TS]

  job is just select which people and they [TS]

  that one possible PR strategies only [TS]

  invite people who you know love apple is [TS]

  that the best PR strategy probably not [TS]

  but their whole job is to decide who to [TS]

  pick [TS]

  of course it's all favoritism attitude [TS]

  its who it to apple PR favors and apple [TS]

  prf it's good [TS]

  well not only favor you know people that [TS]

  love Apple they will try to have an even [TS]

  mix where they want a positive outcome [TS]

  but they're not just going to pick [TS]

  people who don't know never say anything [TS]

  negative about Apple there they're [TS]

  picking based on a complicated criteria [TS]

  but is it is ultimately entirely their [TS]

  choice right so there's no such thing as [TS]

  you know favoritism [TS]

  it's theirs it's not like there's no one [TS]

  of the opposite of favoritism that the [TS]

  government picks you get sick cover you [TS]

  don't mind if animals conference it's [TS]

  apples conference of their PR people [TS]

  pick who gets press passes that's it [TS]

  there's no it's not a democracy [TS]

  it's not you know so anyway and i would [TS]

  imagine to like the your ability to say [TS]

  negative things about apple and still [TS]

  get invited [TS]

  it's probably correlated to your age and [TS]

  size so like you know Joanna stern can [TS]

  say in the wall street journal that the [TS]

  iphone doesn't have enough battery life [TS]

  but if we say that that might hurt our [TS]

  chances of getting it you know like [TS]

  because we are not like we're not the [TS]

  wall street [TS]

  yeah thanks Marco yeah sorry about that [TS]

  you ruined it for all of us [TS]

  well John got in something for you Casey [TS]

  Starkey's no i mean i can once you once [TS]

  you come out of the press around talking [TS]

  about whether we should get passes a [TS]

  press passes or whatever then it just [TS]

  gets into okay well you're just another [TS]

  iOS developer like everybody else and [TS]

  then I have no idea what hours and they [TS]

  used to randomly pick up i did not win [TS]

  the lottery last year or the year before [TS]

  the how many times years as lottery been [TS]

  going 30 billion hits on this is the [TS]

  first time I actually won lottery all [TS]

  the other years I've got like you know [TS]

  press pass and stuff so you know that's [TS]

  probability for you [TS]

  yeah i should also note it is very clear [TS]

  on the wEDC website where they go [TS]

  through the policies and whatnot that [TS]

  tickets are non-transferable you know if [TS]

  somebody was kind enough to [TS]

  offer like hey Mark ok so you can have [TS]

  my ticket because i want you to have it [TS]

  even though you know I want it I it is [TS]

  possible to make that happen but he [TS]

  basically what you have to do is ask [TS]

  apple and give them a pretty good reason [TS]

  and they have every right to say haha no [TS]

  so yeah it seems like if we if mark when [TS]

  I don't get them sometime in the next [TS]

  few hours / couple of days then we'll [TS]

  just be goofing off in San Francisco [TS]

  ride the cable cars eating rice a roni [TS]

  we will be sleeping in on monday that's [TS]

  what we're gonna be doing we're going to [TS]

  be here I'm not waiting on the freezing [TS]

  cold line to 5am yeah that is absolutely [TS]

  true and will be in a lot of rice around [TS]

  because it's the San Francisco treat [TS]

  thinking oh my god we couldn't even make [TS]

  that joke is my kids don't have never [TS]

  seen that commercial that's all good [TS]

  that's right that's your job as a parent [TS]

  is to make jokes that are barely funny [TS]

  to begin with that your kids won't even [TS]

  get all right well have fun john its [TS]

  cool actually have a good time to come [TS]

  anyway go to go to layers conference or [TS]

  something that's probably going to be [TS]

  actually I I don't think it's even been [TS]

  announced officially yet but now they've [TS]

  announced the dates [TS]

  there's no tickets no updates have been [TS]

  announced yet so take it you can't buy [TS]

  tickets yet but I i will we go [TS]

  I think I mean if i don't get [TS]

  everybody's eating i'll definitely be [TS]

  going two layers and I think I'd even be [TS]

  going anyway last year i actually got [TS]

  both and and I didn't regret that at all [TS]

  so i am looking forward two layers this [TS]

  year so yes I'll be there for that at [TS]

  least [TS]

  and I everybody plane ticket I'm going [TS]

  to the whole week so I'll see you I'll [TS]

  see you there regardless of what happens [TS]

  yeah we're all going to be there oh and [TS]

  by the way of like everyone's talking [TS]

  about this but like WC has been getting [TS]

  more and more expensive as a couple blog [TS]

  post about how much more expensive it is [TS]

  the past [TS]

  yeah i think this is close to my limit [TS]

  of like next year if current trends [TS]

  continue i may not even enter the [TS]

  lottery because it is such a tremendous [TS]

  amount of money and i'm not writing and [TS]

  always 10 review so I'm basically going [TS]

  for the purposes of this show and my own [TS]

  edification combination but boy it is a [TS]

  lot of money i look at how much money is [TS]

  causing it all in and I just think about [TS]

  what else I could [TS]

  without money at you know as my life [TS]

  reminds me it will be tax deductible [TS]

  because this is a work thing but boy [TS]

  it's it's very difficult to justify as [TS]

  the the price keeps going up [TS]

  yes and especially like the hotel prices [TS]

  there are probably the biggest chunk of [TS]

  it for most people now unless you're [TS]

  flying from somewhere very far away but [TS]

  otherwise your panel you're paying [TS]

  almost two thousand dollars for the [TS]

  hotel in most cases or more or-- yeah [TS]

  actually you could depending on how far [TS]

  you're willing to walk and many other [TS]

  things whether you require a bathroom no [TS]

  other such things that seem like they [TS]

  should be included it [TS]

  yeah that's why I made multiple [TS]

  reservations so that i can just decide [TS]

  how much you want to spend based on how [TS]

  far i want to walk and all sorts of [TS]

  other issues and and by the way that's [TS]

  yeah people don't know I'm sure Marco [TS]

  covered this in the developing [TS]

  perspective that I'm not listen to under [TS]

  the radar perfect moment expected it's [TS]

  an understandable mistake one of those [TS]

  underscore shows about prep for WBC and [TS]

  the thing that everybody in our circle [TS]

  tends to do these days is try to figure [TS]

  out when wdc is going to be based on [TS]

  reading tea leaves and stuff and then [TS]

  just make hotel reservations many many [TS]

  months in advance so i think i made my [TS]

  hotel reservations in january-february [TS]

  or something [TS]

  yeah I made mine in February yet you can [TS]

  cancel hotel reservations without any [TS]

  cost and most hotels so you just guess [TS]

  and make a whole bunch of reservations [TS]

  for the whole bunch of weeks and when [TS]

  apple announces that you canceled the [TS]

  other ones [TS]

  yep that's exactly what i did i booked [TS]

  an early februari ended up guessing [TS]

  correctly which was excellent and the [TS]

  bill in early februari for the hotel [TS]

  where we all tend to stay was 2500 [TS]

  dollars and actually or roughly and [TS]

  actually went through in dug up what the [TS]

  bills were at this same hotel over last [TS]

  year's a great blog post about this and [TS]

  in 2013 it was 1123 dollars in 46 cents [TS]

  and as I just said in 2016 it's going to [TS]

  be there abouts of twenty-five hundred [TS]

  dollars so if I were to get a ticket [TS]

  which I'm hoping but not expecting then [TS]

  it's roughly four thousand dollars to go [TS]

  to exceed even go there to be in san [TS]

  francisco teleported by magic to sleep [TS]

  there and then go to WCC now i have not [TS]

  eaten any dinners [TS]

  I haven't actually made [TS]

  get to San Francisco yet all i'm doing [TS]

  is sleeping and going to the conference [TS]

  and I've looked at plane tickets are [TS]

  booked my outbound ticket because i knew [TS]

  i was going to be there for at least a [TS]

  couple days even without a WBC ticket i [TS]

  have yet to book my return flight but it [TS]

  should be about five hundred dollars all [TS]

  told [TS]

  so in case you're wondering it costs [TS]

  about the same amount of money to be [TS]

  transported in a tube through space [TS]

  3,000 miles whatever it is across the [TS]

  country it is it does to sleep one night [TS]

  in San Francisco actually all across the [TS]

  country and back i should say is [TS]

  approximately the same as one night in [TS]

  San Francisco a joke made last year's [TS]

  every night you're there for WC this one [TS]

  Apple watch go to sleep another block [TS]

  and another on now it's gonna be it's a [TS]

  little bit nicer Apple watch every night [TS]

  soon we're gonna get graduate to the [TS]

  stainless steel model everything right [TS]

  now that I've gotten a ticket you can [TS]

  thank me for ensuring that there will be [TS]

  no new file system this year because i [TS]

  didn't show up they were definitely [TS]

  announced a new file system but because [TS]

  i'm going to be there [TS]

  there will be no no file system this [TS]

  year 2017 like I said 2017 I'm gonna [TS]

  take it and now they're all really new [TS]

  file system and maybe we'll get the the [TS]

  tester USB hub before then it's funny [TS]

  because I'd said to a few people leading [TS]

  up to the WWDC tickets being announced [TS]

  you know here it was I've been 20 11 [TS]

  through 15 inclusive and every one of [TS]

  those those years you would think well I [TS]

  kind of didn't have a lot of business [TS]

  being there like I sort of did once ATP [TS]

  came but in terms of like my day-to-day [TS]

  job I had no business being there I was [TS]

  very lucky and here it is i am now an [TS]

  honest-to-goodness iOS developer and [TS]

  sitting here now I do not have a WWDC [TS]

  ticket the one time when it makes sense [TS]

  for me to have 1i don't [TS]

  it's okay though i'll be ok my first [TS]

  sponsor this week is fracture fracture [TS]

  is a company that prints photos directly [TS]

  on glass in vivid colors these colors [TS]

  pop like you won't believe and all [TS]

  fracture prints come on solid backings [TS]

  that are ready to mount right out of the [TS]

  package all you do is take the included [TS]

  screws in the wall and hang it up that's [TS]

  it it's really affordable to the price [TS]

  starting just fifteen dollars for a [TS]

  small square fracture print and of [TS]

  course they have rectangles to if you're [TS]

  not part of the Instagram generation [TS]

  they have all sorts of sizes up from [TS]

  there and the prices here are very [TS]

  reasonable i have these all over my [TS]

  office we accomplished on our fracture [TS]

  prints all time because they look great [TS]

  and they are so modern-looking they it's [TS]

  just a piece of glass with the photo [TS]

  printer edge-to-edge and that's it [TS]

  there's no there's no frame around it [TS]

  there's no border around it doesn't need [TS]

  to be I think it would look weird if it [TS]

  had one these things just look like pure [TS]

  photos and a nice modern print you don't [TS]

  have to worry about framing their [TS]

  lightweight you don't have to worry [TS]

  about like a half trying to hang like a [TS]

  really heavy duty hook in the water hold [TS]

  this thing up it they're just great i [TS]

  love these fracture prints so check out [TS]

  they make great gifts also i've sent [TS]

  them to number of people relatives [TS]

  friends things like a picture your kid [TS]

  if you're just sending it to to your [TS]

  your parents or something like that [TS]

  these things make great gifts even gag [TS]

  gifts and your friends if you want if [TS]

  you go on a trip with your friends you [TS]

  want some pictures afterwards any kind [TS]

  of holiday or celebrating birthdays [TS]

  anything that these things make great [TS]

  gifts or just fine for your own house [TS]

  because they really are i think the best [TS]

  way to get a picture printed to hang on [TS]

  your wall so check out fracture today go [TS]

  to fracture and use code ATP 10 [TS]

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  to fracture for sponsoring our our show [TS]

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  you very much [TS]

  we should probably do what is [TS]

  undisputedly follow-up and we should [TS]

  talk about what a friend of the show [TS]

  Manresa is written in regarding this is [TS]

  about the charging stations again [TS]

  Tesla versus other he was pointing out [TS]

  the standard charging connector that we [TS]

  talked about last show on this is where [TS]

  he is in austin texas [TS]

  there are hundreds of what he calls [TS]

  level 2 charging stations in austin [TS]

  alone [TS]

  ChargePoint comments 27,000 a total [TS]

  vastly outnumbered supercharger so these [TS]

  are not the super fast super charge [TS]

  things for Tesla or otherwise there's [TS]

  kind of like plug your car and while [TS]

  you're shopping while your coders they [TS]

  charge more slowly but there are many [TS]

  many more of them some of them are free [TS]

  some of them charge hourly rate or [TS]

  whatever it does have a lot of respect [TS]

  for testing trying to solve the road [TS]

  trip problem its ambitious and the kind [TS]

  of thing and no car company would do no [TS]

  other company would do but they're also [TS]

  doing a good job of having destination [TS]

  charges at hotels and I've seen great [TS]

  progress on the infrastructure you [TS]

  actually need day-to-day with [TS]

  in cities and those aren't from Tesla so [TS]

  we talk so much about tests on the [TS]

  superchargers but it's an important to [TS]

  acknowledge my say this to the mall and [TS]

  stuff that there are tons of electric [TS]

  car park here parking spots and I guess [TS]

  those all of the standard SATA connector [TS]

  in them and no they don't charge you as [TS]

  fast as the superchargers do that's why [TS]

  the supercharger super but there's way [TS]

  more of them [TS]

  excellent we should also talk about and [TS]

  we made reference to him earlier mkbhd [TS]

  yeah now they're all jealous of the [TS]

  press pass that he's getting and we're [TS]

  not we should take this time to dance on [TS]

  his self-inflicted grave is that now [TS]

  mixing metaphors sorry what happened i [TS]

  miss this [TS]

  Oh quote me yeah he did to his credit he [TS]

  tweeted this himself is a tweet from him [TS]

  he says me and 2015 i guarantee an extra [TS]

  macbook will have at least two USB [TS]

  seaports and then he put me right now [TS]

  because of course the new macbook was [TS]

  updated talk about that a little later [TS]

  it does not have two USB ports last year [TS]

  or whenever he made that video he was [TS]

  very adamant that it will have more than [TS]

  one quote me he said and I believe we [TS]

  had to chuckle about it on the show [TS]

  because it's totally apple thing to do [TS]

  to not add one more port despite the [TS]

  fact that we had like 17 episodes of ATP [TS]

  talking about this one port we were not [TS]

  convinced [TS]

  I don't think of my recollection serves [TS]

  and now it's going to be 18 [TS]

  yeah that that Apple was going to change [TS]

  their mind just because we want more [TS]

  than one port doesn't mean Apple does [TS]

  and lo and behold there's a new macbook [TS]

  out it does not have more than one port [TS]

  mkbhd called himself on it to his credit [TS]

  we will put the links in the show notes [TS]

  so and and also I think he ran out of [TS]

  room in the tweet because in the tweet [TS]

  he said I guarantee an action macbook [TS]

  and the actual quote he said I pretty [TS]

  much guarantee the second generation of [TS]

  this than my name a club so he said [TS]

  pretty much so we had a walk forward in [TS]

  this was learning learning the ways of [TS]

  learning the ways of the waffle words he [TS]

  said pretty much guarantee which is not [TS]

  the same as a guarantee it's like [TS]

  virtually spotless your dishes will have [TS]

  spots so I gave him a pass i also agree [TS]

  that a shot more than one port as [TS]

  previously discussed but they don't [TS]

  yeah i mean something tells me that we [TS]

  have more to learn from mkbhd then he [TS]

  has to learn from us but i think but i [TS]

  think you know that we've seen a lot of [TS]

  comments since they [TS]

  so apple apple update the macbook one [TS]

  the 12-inch MacBook which I call the [TS]

  macbook one which actually had that name [TS]

  has stuck around in in our circle and [TS]

  actually very proud of that so-and-so [TS]

  apple has updated the the macbook one [TS]

  with skylake cpu this past week and it [TS]

  is not a big update it is it a lot of [TS]

  people are really expecting expecting [TS]

  basically the impossible from this that [TS]

  and I can't blame me know Apple has [TS]

  cultivated a an expectation of like [TS]

  products get a lot better in their [TS]

  second and third generations and [TS]

  everything is always getting better all [TS]

  the time so it shouldn't this get better [TS]

  by a bit by bleeps and bounds to and the [TS]

  reality is that the macbook one uses a [TS]

  special extremely low power consumption [TS]

  Intel platform it uses a very low-power [TS]

  cpu with a very limited low-power [TS]

  chipset to power everything else also [TS]

  and one of the one of the the core [TS]

  principles of you know computers today [TS]

  modern mobile computers especially [TS]

  laptops at and it is that you basically [TS]

  have your limited by x power and [TS]

  thermals and so you have different [TS]

  classes of what kind of performance and [TS]

  what kind of connectivity what kind of [TS]

  Port what kind of luxuries you know what [TS]

  kind of speeds how many cores these are [TS]

  all determined by fundamentally like how [TS]

  much power can you supply the cpu and [TS]

  then correspondingly how much heat can [TS]

  you cool from this from being emitted [TS]

  from the cpu like a macbook air those [TS]

  CPUs are something like 17 wat [TS]

  consumption and heat design a 13-inch [TS]

  macbook i forget what those are [TS]

  something like the the 25 range maybe [TS]

  and then a 15-inch with the quad cores [TS]

  that's going to be some somewhere in the [TS]

  40-watt range the macbook one CPU has a [TS]

  5 watt range a 5 watt cpu cannot do a [TS]

  whole lot compared to even the 17 wat [TS]

  cpus in the macbook air let alone like [TS]

  the nicer you know 20 or 30 what's he [TS]

  using like a 13-inch macbook pro you [TS]

  know the macbook one is designed its [TS]

  fanless which is one of the biggest [TS]

  limitations of this because even a [TS]

  little bit [TS]

  of air moving through a heat sink can [TS]

  cool way more effectively then totally [TS]

  passive cooling systems so this thing [TS]

  has no fan it has a very small battery [TS]

  inside a very small enclosure so the [TS]

  limitations placed on this are such that [TS]

  the macbook one as long as it continues [TS]

  to be there in that size enclosure and [TS]

  not have an active cooling fan and not [TS]

  have a substantially bigger battery it [TS]

  will never have similar performance as [TS]

  like even a couple generation old [TS]

  13-inch macbook pro or even a couple [TS]

  generation old macbook air if the [TS]

  macbook airs continue to be updated [TS]

  which is a giant if the answer is [TS]

  probably no but like people who expected [TS]

  the macbook one to be like two or three [TS]

  times faster than it was before [TS]

  you're gonna be disappointed because [TS]

  there just isn't enough thermal Headroom [TS]

  in that kind of in that enclosure you [TS]

  like and and desktop or in a pc cpus [TS]

  don't make those kind of jumps and power [TS]

  efficiency in one year [TS]

  this computer will never match the [TS]

  macbook pro of like even two or three [TS]

  years ago it will you know it's it's [TS]

  very limited by what it can do and if [TS]

  you want something basically the the new [TS]

  macbook one is something like twenty [TS]

  percent faster than the old macbook 1i I [TS]

  haven't seen a whole bunch of x marks [TS]

  yet but it's in that ballpark in the [TS]

  ballpark in the ballpark of twenty [TS]

  percent faster and that's a big bump too [TS]

  because like you're normally when we get [TS]

  new max it's like oh and the cpu is [TS]

  fifteen percent faster and take what you [TS]

  can get twenty twenty-five percent [TS]

  faster and cpu is nothing to sneeze at [TS]

  like I don't think this is a bad update [TS]

  it is faster and gets more battery life [TS]

  that's what updates are supposed to do [TS]

  they just didn't end that USB port [TS]

  whatever [TS]

  well exactly but like a lot of people [TS]

  especially people who have owned the [TS]

  different the macbook one that the [TS]

  previously on the first generation one a [TS]

  lot of them you know the macbook one is [TS]

  a very slow computer a lot of them were [TS]

  hoping that this would make it a [TS]

  reasonably speeded computer and it just [TS]

  doesn't because like slow x 1.2 is still [TS]

  slow you know and and you're like twenty [TS]

  percent in in one generation is a [TS]

  massive jump in in for pcp use these [TS]

  days you're looking to get five or ten [TS]

  percent most of the time so this is this [TS]

  was a [TS]

  substantial jump skylight was a long [TS]

  time coming and it's a it's a major [TS]

  advancement by Intel and so they put [TS]

  this in here and they still it's still a [TS]

  slow computer it's still only has one [TS]

  port and some of that is because of [TS]

  limitations on that low power chipset [TS]

  adding more port requires more from the [TS]

  chipset which the super low power chips [TS]

  that in for something people want [TS]

  doesn't even support it for some of the [TS]

  things you know we don't know why the [TS]

  reasons are that they were made but they [TS]

  probably have to do with space and power [TS]

  so this computer will never be what the [TS]

  macbook air is today the role the [TS]

  macbook air service today requires a [TS]

  little bit more space a little bigger [TS]

  battery and a fan this is kind of a [TS]

  problem like Apple has replaced the [TS]

  macbook air effectively from from the [TS]

  way it appears they replaced the macbook [TS]

  air with a computer that can never [TS]

  replace the macbook air and it might be [TS]

  it might be relevant [TS]

  you know the people a lot of people like [TS]

  this better [TS]

  that's fine the macbook pro is likely to [TS]

  get a lot thinner and lighter when it [TS]

  gets its skylake updated you know any [TS]

  any any day now basically probably WC so [TS]

  the macbook air is is kind of just left [TS]

  for nothing that there's now these [TS]

  wonderful 17 wat cpus that Intel makes [TS]

  that Apple is just not going to be using [TS]

  i guess in the future which seems like a [TS]

  mistake but I don't know [TS]

  so the macbook one in order to get that [TS]

  size you're giving up quite a lot and [TS]

  one of those things is that computer [TS]

  will never be fast relative to the rest [TS]

  of the computers it won't even be [TS]

  remotely competitive into compared to [TS]

  the rest of the lineup and it will never [TS]

  have that candy connectivity the rest of [TS]

  the lineup if that's what you want if [TS]

  you want some kind of modern performance [TS]

  and decent connectivity you're gonna [TS]

  have to go with a bigger model and [TS]

  that's not too bad because the bigger [TS]

  models are awesome [TS]

  then they get a SS a speed bump to yes [TS]

  yeah faster storage and I think faster [TS]

  storage will probably have more of an [TS]

  impact on people's lives of that [TS]

  computer then cpus because i don't think [TS]

  people are using it to do like big cpu [TS]

  or they shouldn't be using a big cpu a [TS]

  test but everything you do like involves [TS]

  the disk like launching things and just [TS]

  web browser [TS]

  buzzing with the disk cache and [TS]

  everything so I don't use one of these [TS]

  in person but yeah but like that the [TS]

  disk was already fast it was already a [TS]

  pci-express native SSD like it they know [TS]

  it is you know if you look at raw [TS]

  numbers it is faster now and it's faster [TS]

  by a pretty good margin in like disc [TS]

  benchmarks but the whole machine is [TS]

  still held back dramatically by the very [TS]

  slow cpu and it's very low-power ceiling [TS]

  you might think like I thought when I [TS]

  bought one for a day I thought you know [TS]

  what [TS]

  what am i doing on a laptop that needs [TS]

  that much power it's like not most most [TS]

  of the time just like typing answering [TS]

  emails and stuff so most of the time [TS]

  it's fine right [TS]

  first of all typing on that but also the [TS]

  trackpad and that's the worst for stock [TS]

  trak i have i've ever used but you'd be [TS]

  surprised like modern OS 10 and things [TS]

  you take for granted that do you see pu [TS]

  power like viewing your photos like if [TS]

  you if you wanted to like take your to [TS]

  sync your photo library over to that [TS]

  computer so you can take it with you and [TS]

  like look at on vacation or add to it on [TS]

  vacation or do even like basic [TS]

  operations on photos that you take on [TS]

  vacation even if there's photos from [TS]

  your phone not from a fancy camera that [TS]

  actually does use cpu power on the mac [TS]

  and it actually is noticeably annoyingly [TS]

  slow on that computer for a lot of cases [TS]

  so again it's just like this computer if [TS]

  what you want is is a decently speedy [TS]

  computer that you're not going to ever [TS]

  notice is that slow this is not the [TS]

  computer for you because it will always [TS]

  be slow [TS]

  it can't be fast relative to the rest of [TS]

  the lineup with that kind of thermal [TS]

  headroom limitation this is the part of [TS]

  the program or i willfully refused to [TS]

  look up the Geekbench numbers for this [TS]

  quote-unquote slow macbook and compare [TS]

  them to let the 2008 mac pro that I'm [TS]

  sitting in front of the size of soup [TS]

  don't want to know [TS]

  moving on i think just for reference i'm [TS]

  pretty sure it'll probably kill you one [TS]

  single threaded but I don't you I think [TS]

  you have at least double a [TS]

  multi-threaded let's not discuss what [TS]

  you do what you have the 2.66 is an [TS]

  eight core 2.6 remember 2.8 right let me [TS]

  say something like that yeah now to [TS]

  point it is a core 2.8 mac pro [TS]

  2008a now without looking up by doing [TS]

  what did you think he was doing John you [TS]

  shouldn't answer that question [TS]

  no it feels fast i have all the storage [TS]

  check look I've got a terabyte SSD take [TS]

  that macbook listen to your bargaining [TS]

  with yourself [TS]

  the story it's ok no Tara by this is the [TS]

  option and that thing even though my [TS]

  hookup setup pci-express but I think [TS]

  about that it is at least it's one USB [TS]

  port USB 3 you don't have that either [TS]

  had no I don't usb3 don't care about [TS]

  that way more USB ports that anyway [TS]

  while we send the chatroom off to figure [TS]

  out how miserable John should be [TS]

  oh my god you're single threaded is only [TS]

  1500 on that [TS]

  Shh no mr. wellness come out of your [TS]

  many year holes are imax or 4,000 2008 [TS]

  computer give me a break it was fast but [TS]

  I got it the multi-threaded is [TS]

  respectable you got 10,000 ultra that is [TS]

  respectable but 1,500 single that like [TS]

  iphones beat that now [TS]

  oh my new iPad is faster than this mac [TS]

  pro anyway bumper sounds I put this in [TS]

  there because oh I apologize show [TS]

  yes last show Marco talked about the [TS]

  bumper sounds and we discuss the the [TS]

  start times you use and he said he [TS]

  wanted to use the windows XP USB thing [TS]

  but didn't because I wouldn't like it [TS]

  and what are you doing the next show [TS]

  he used the USB sound from Windows XP [TS]

  and guess what I don't like it but [TS]

  they're wonderful and guess what [TS]

  everyone else looks like when I was not [TS]

  everyone out the windows users like that [TS]

  go windows i remember that that's great [TS]

  of course they're gonna lie here it is [TS]

  nothing to know what the problem is it's [TS]

  just what Marco said it was my guess was [TS]

  last episode is what it was just Marcus [TS]

  said it's a perfect like mirror images [TS]

  did you and do [TS]

  it's perfect their bad sounds and [TS]

  they're from windows in the front [TS]

  windows XP for crying out loud [TS]

  oh here's what the windows XP sounds did [TS]

  they made me like the the startup chime [TS]

  sounds better like by comparison even [TS]

  though I thought the start times that he [TS]

  chose were not the ones that I would [TS]

  have picked at least they were ample [TS]

  sounds they weren't from windows and [TS]

  they weren't no i do not like them i do [TS]

  not like the the windows XP this is not [TS]

  the apple tech podcast it's the [TS]

  accidental text podcast and we have [TS]

  accidentally that's what we talked about [TS]

  Apple all the time [TS]

  I mean numbers even use windows anymore [TS]

  and no it won't but we have accidentally [TS]

  backed into the perfect and bumper [TS]

  sounds I marco i stand with you I'm in [TS]

  full support they're not the perfect dad [TS]

  bumper sounds they're terrible and [TS]

  Microsoft's gonna come to you anyway I [TS]

  think he might be so old that maybe [TS]

  public domain was it death of the author [TS]

  plus 75 years that they get something [TS]

  like that right [TS]

  it's closed how old is windows XP [TS]

  doesn't brian eno to do those sounds a [TS]

  brand-new did some windows sounds maybe [TS]

  we'll just for windows 95 he's still [TS]

  alive [TS]

  oh goodness I well I like them now I [TS]

  don't wanna get sued for into oblivion [TS]

  but i do like we're not gonna get sued [TS]

  by the way I'm I'm filing a formal [TS]

  protest against the windows XP USB [TS]

  sounds add pumpers so listeners feel [TS]

  free to tweet at siracusa about how much [TS]

  you want the SP sounds because we all do [TS]

  our buddy idea is that the only way it's [TS]

  gonna go away so we have better [TS]

  alternatives so people should come up [TS]

  with high-quality recordings are better [TS]

  alternatives that are either from apple [TS]

  or from whole cloth that are not related [TS]

  to windows or fish maybe I would except [TS]

  fish more than windows and also liked it [TS]

  much of the complaining about the other [TS]

  Santa Fe old Mac sounds is that they [TS]

  were like kinda like to jarring yeah I'm [TS]

  great windows when windows sound design [TS]

  is always made to be so like universally [TS]

  pleasing that everybody feels nothing [TS]

  like the windows sounds are like the [TS]

  sand equivalent of the paintings in [TS]

  hotel rooms like you just ask notice [TS]

  that there's a like it is nice when [TS]

  their sound there but you don't notice [TS]

  the sound and it just it offends nobody [TS]

  it's completely bland and it's fine i [TS]

  think the login sounds offensive you [TS]

  know the login sound oh ya doing [TS]

  I don't know then that the one you login [TS]

  and the big ugly windows XP green grass [TS]

  desktop greets you [TS]

  well I thought login was like blue and [TS]

  then the logout was do do right [TS]

  yeah maybe I remember it the wrong way [TS]

  but anyway I think some of the window [TS]

  sounds are offensive and I think the USB [TS]

  sound like its emitting a sound when you [TS]

  plug in the USB device and I don't like [TS]

  the sound comes down [TS]

  well I'm not gonna get into a fight with [TS]

  the USB stack an OS 10 is is not as good [TS]

  as the window like you can't just unplug [TS]

  USB stick [TS]

  even though i've been using the USB [TS]

  stick i guess it would like buffered io [TS]

  like it engine [TS]

  it is used to flush I owe every single [TS]

  eye operation and it just look at way to [TS]

  the light's not blinking and yank it out [TS]

  that's barbaric [TS]

  come on why not just go back to drive [TS]

  letters I tell you what the one thing [TS]

  that it that drives windows you convert [TS]

  crazy [TS]

  anytime I talk to one and it drives me [TS]

  crazy too is having to unmount drives it [TS]

  drives people even have to have to eject [TS]

  it [TS]

  what are you talking about but that's [TS]

  how modern i/o system works you don't [TS]

  flush everything discount every [TS]

  operation that would be crazypants you [TS]

  have a buffer and you have flash that [TS]

  buffer and you you have to know when [TS]

  it's safe to inject something how do you [TS]

  know how do you know when it's safe I [TS]

  mean going back to the old unix days [TS]

  type you know sink twice because it's [TS]

  voodoo and the second time really counts [TS]

  and then you can unmount your thing [TS]

  because then you'll know all the bits [TS]

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  WBC is gonna be a little bit different [TS]

  this year I'm probably not gonna know [TS]

  about it in normal Marco I'm sorry i'll [TS]

  compose myself I'm there's going to be a [TS]

  different location for monday we're [TS]

  going to be at the bill graham [TS]

  auditorium which we briefly made mention [TS]

  of earlier this is a change from at [TS]

  least before 2011 i mean like i said [TS]

  i've been going since 2011 Marco since [TS]

  09 is that right yeah no I mean they've [TS]

  never done something like this in San [TS]

  Francisco as far as what they used to be [TS]

  back if you go back far enough and if [TS]

  you include Macworld's that they have [TS]

  like you know things in boston and [TS]

  everything though that was all before [TS]

  our time right [TS]

  so monday the way Monday's typically [TS]

  work in the past was you would line up [TS]

  absurdly early outside of moscone which [TS]

  is where the conference's you would be [TS]

  letting uncomfortably close to the time [TS]

  of the keynote usually anyway you would [TS]

  walk up to 3 or you would migrate your [TS]

  way up to the third floor which the [TS]

  keynote was then there would be a mad [TS]

  Stampede into the keynote room there be [TS]

  the keynote everyone would get punted [TS]

  downstairs to eat and then you would [TS]

  come back up and you would watch the [TS]

  developer state of the union which was [TS]

  kinda like a keynote but for nerdier [TS]

  types and then tuesday through friday [TS]

  was just regular conference time this [TS]

  year apparently on Monday it's all going [TS]

  to be the bill graham auditorium the and [TS]

  actually even the check in on sunday the [TS]

  way it always used to work was you could [TS]

  check in Moscow neon sunday now that [TS]

  check is apparently the bill graham [TS]

  auditorium on Sunday and then all day [TS]

  monday is that the auditorium the that's [TS]

  where the keynote will be that's where [TS]

  the state of the union will be is there [TS]

  anything else that evening I feel like [TS]

  there's one other thing [TS]

  ATS right Apple Design Awards that's [TS]

  right that's going to be on Monday night [TS]

  all the program auditorium and then the [TS]

  thing that used to be called the beer [TS]

  beer bash now I guess it's called the [TS]

  wdc bash that used to be at yerba buena [TS]

  gardens which is this like a park just a [TS]

  couple blocks moscone now that's also [TS]

  going to be at the bill graham [TS]

  auditorium so it's like to be outdoors [TS]

  anymore and it's going to be off-site [TS]

  again as well further off site anyway [TS]

  and this is all bit of a change and [TS]

  there was a funny tweet by friend of the [TS]

  show Craig Hockenberry I don't know if [TS]

  he's being snarky or not because I don't [TS]

  know enough about [TS]

  San Francisco but it reads as follows [TS]

  seriously do not take a direct route [TS]

  from WWDC hotel bill graham get onto [TS]

  market street pay attention from powell [TS]

  to the Civic Center apparently because [TS]

  that area which I guess the Tenderloin [TS]

  I'm sorry san franciscans is a little [TS]

  bit rough [TS]

  so there's transportation for the beer [TS]

  bash for the WTC bash [TS]

  I don't believe there's any for the [TS]

  keynote on Monday now the bigger venue [TS]

  makes sense in terms of wanting really [TS]

  for wanting more press like pleaded with [TS]

  the watch event we just invite everybody [TS]

  sure come out we will accept your [TS]

  coverage and we need more room for you [TS]

  so it's WABC attendees and tons and tons [TS]

  and press come look at whatever it is [TS]

  we're going to announce State of the [TS]

  Union I feel like I mean the only reason [TS]

  you're holding a bears because that's [TS]

  where the keynote is not gonna make [TS]

  everybody move from one location [TS]

  together but I imagine a lot of the crab [TS]

  will disappear once they bring the [TS]

  engineering people up and start not [TS]

  talking about techie stuff the bash [TS]

  I don't know what it's not outdoors that [TS]

  it's kinda nice when I was outdoors I [TS]

  mean that they have weird food and the [TS]

  band was kind of a mess because like [TS]

  half the crowd repainted the banner half [TS]

  will be trying to hear each other over [TS]

  the sound of the band I mean that's I [TS]

  think that's generous like this for me [TS]

  like the bash it has always been [TS]

  uncomfortable because you have a band on [TS]

  one side and usually you know it's a [TS]

  band that like the people they're [TS]

  usually have heard of the band at least [TS]

  many of them heard of the band or at [TS]

  least they're popular song like that the [TS]

  oh yeah i know that one song but its net [TS]

  but the people who are there are not [TS]

  there for the band [TS]

  it's it's all that everybody see [TS]

  attendees they're mostly to talk to each [TS]

  other and so you have this band off on [TS]

  one side playing on the stage playing [TS]

  mostly to people's backs and there's [TS]

  this huge like open area in front of the [TS]

  stage where nobody wants to stand [TS]

  because everyone's trying to get away [TS]

  from the band's they can hear each other [TS]

  talk to the band is playing to [TS]

  effectively a bunch of people who would [TS]

  rather they turn the volume down and [TS]

  stop but it's it's a terrible gig for [TS]

  the band like it is so awkward and I [TS]

  feel so bad like like that the band like [TS]

  that will finish the song and there will [TS]

  be literally like four people near them [TS]

  clapping and everyone else just like [TS]

  dead [TS]

  silently it's not that bad sometimes [TS]

  probably as little a little group of [TS]

  fans who are closed five actually into [TS]

  it i mean like at the band is a separate [TS]

  thing but like I feel like the people [TS]

  who are not therefore the band their [TS]

  needs are not serve much better than the [TS]

  band I think about it being in the [TS]

  program auditorium if there's going to [TS]

  be a band there's nobody to run from [TS]

  that band there's nowhere to hide like [TS]

  you just getting here [TS]

  that's why I like I'm curious about this [TS]

  because it sounds like that would make [TS]

  all the problems worse [TS]

  yeah well no it would not eliminate the [TS]

  problem in terms of if the only reason [TS]

  you would possibly go to it is if you [TS]

  want to see the band because you're not [TS]

  gonna be able to have any discussion [TS]

  with anybody in the giant auditorium [TS]

  with huge sound system is that it's like [TS]

  when you to play dinner watch events [TS]

  like people were having conversations in [TS]

  the bathroom you couldn't hear yourself [TS]

  think [TS]

  yeah I don't know we'll see how it goes [TS]

  i would how great would it be if the [TS]

  band was you too and they only played [TS]

  songs of innocence [TS]

  that's not a bad album you know first of [TS]

  all back not know how to feel like dates [TS]

  the single videos to play off of the [TS]

  watch event you know not the best on [TS]

  anyway it's not gonna be you two again [TS]

  but if it was I would go wow I didn't [TS]

  even go to the bash last year yeah I [TS]

  don't think I've seen you there in [TS]

  several years now [TS]

  now you have a conflict with other with [TS]

  other things and but you know I i have [TS]

  the time i got the best i have enjoyed [TS]

  it we can hit way in the back and you go [TS]

  from circle of people to circle of [TS]

  people and yell really loud and so your [TS]

  voices don't give up but it's like it's [TS]

  the one time I feel like I get to see [TS]

  everybody because everybody you know all [TS]

  the people i know are hiding in the back [TS]

  in little clusters and I can't find the [TS]

  words during the conference if you [TS]

  happen to pick the same session of [TS]

  somebody you see where they're sitting [TS]

  you can talk to them briefly before [TS]

  after but the batches you know it's a [TS]

  gathering of people and it's like the [TS]

  end of the conference and I have fond [TS]

  memories of the few years that I that I [TS]

  went there it's just not not ideal for [TS]

  the purpose that I would like to use it [TS]

  for it and that's what I think that's [TS]

  like what most like I think most people [TS]

  are there to socialize they're not there [TS]

  to see a band it and you're away was [TS]

  already like it was crowded in there [TS]

  like even like trying to walk through [TS]

  and just like get from one side to the [TS]

  other or to get to the food things or to [TS]

  you know did it to leave or to end her [TS]

  you were going [TS]

  it was such a crowd it was like walking [TS]

  through Times Square like it's you're [TS]

  like trying to wait between people like [TS]

  we've really it was always very densely [TS]

  packed least in recent years just look [TS]

  for Craig Hockenberry his head and now [TS]

  get something that's so true for those [TS]

  who don't know Craig Hockenberry is [TS]

  approximately 13 feet tall about that [TS]

  so the mash is going to be a program i [TS]

  don't know III that's a weird setup like [TS]

  you guys said and I do feel for the [TS]

  bands to play the best because i usually [TS]

  whether or not you like the music [TS]

  generally speaking the bands are good [TS]

  and they're typically up-and-coming [TS]

  bands but just like Marco said it's the [TS]

  worst thing in the world because at [TS]

  least half if not three quarters of the [TS]

  of the audience has their back to you [TS]

  because they are not paying attention to [TS]

  you at all they just want to talk and [TS]

  god I feel for them it was a lottery [TS]

  again this year obviously I have very [TS]

  mixed feelings about well no I don't [TS]

  have mixed feelings about it i'm very [TS]

  sad at the way the lottery turned out [TS]

  selfishly speaking but i just got it [TS]

  seriously [TS]

  yeah I just got the you know oh so you [TS]

  told you [TS]

  25th you have until nothing for me sorry [TS]

  Casey [TS]

  that's okay so yeah so the lottery [TS]

  generally speaking I think I I'm pretty [TS]

  heavily in favor of it it's the least [TS]

  crappy alternative i think that we have [TS]

  and we talked about this [TS]

  around a year ago I don't think I'm [TS]

  gonna spend the time to take out what [TS]

  episode are episodes that were it wasn't [TS]

  the show notes might have even been two [TS]

  years ago when this was a new thing but [TS]

  anyways I do think even as someone who [TS]

  has as we record now and still does not [TS]

  have a ticket i do think it's the most [TS]

  fair way of doing things and i am in [TS]

  support of it because even though i [TS]

  appreciated being johnny-on-the-spot [TS]

  when back when there was at least a [TS]

  moment to 2i to order [TS]

  I just laugh because the right one ever [TS]

  hear anybody say johnny-on-the-spot I [TS]

  can only think of the brand of portable [TS]

  toilet of that name that was all over my [TS]

  baseball field of my youth [TS]

  ok I don't even know what to make of [TS]

  that [TS]

  so when you say i was driving the spot [TS]

  like no that's not what that's not now I [TS]

  perceive that frees yeah well in any [TS]

  case i was very quick to order ticket [TS]

  back when back when you had some amount [TS]

  of control over over such things and [TS]

  I do think that in the grand scheme of [TS]

  things the lottery is the best way to do [TS]

  it one of the idea that i heard about [TS]

  Billy Graham being a larger venue is [TS]

  that they are anticipating a fall-off in [TS]

  terms of attendance and potentially [TS]

  could invite more people i have no idea [TS]

  if this is true but this is a theory [TS]

  that I heard like so say they can invite [TS]

  5,000 people that's what Moscow knee [TS]

  holds 5,000 people go to the keynote [TS]

  instead of the Union and then the next [TS]

  day comes and 4,000 people show up to go [TS]

  two sessions for the rest of the week [TS]

  right [TS]

  so if you have a larger venue for Billy [TS]

  Graham you could have for the keynote [TS]

  you could have invited more people and [TS]

  expect kind of like how you expect like [TS]

  no shows or whatever get a restaurant [TS]

  reservations like essentially over [TS]

  booked it to account for the fact that a [TS]

  lot of people just gonna go to the first [TS]

  day's festivities and will not appear [TS]

  every single day for the rest of the [TS]

  conference that is a theory i heard I [TS]

  don't put much stock in it but is [TS]

  another potential benefit with getting [TS]

  back to the lottery like how do you deal [TS]

  with the fact that more people want to [TS]

  come then can go you can move it to a [TS]

  different city to a bigger venue can use [TS]

  more Moscow knee maybe this like a weird [TS]

  hybrid solution will say also i think it [TS]

  so Billy Graham vs bill graham i assume [TS]

  this is different right as you keep [TS]

  saying Billy Graham that's very [TS]

  different [TS]

  I think this is I this is somebody else [TS]

  right yeah I'm miss speaking in my [TS]

  typical way please PLEASE autocorrect [TS]

  what I'm saying to the place where the [TS]

  w3c keynote is being held if I had said [TS]

  the wrong place just pretend i didn't [TS]

  say that pretend I said the right thing [TS]

  it appears that bill graham was a [TS]

  concert promoter and that's probably who [TS]

  the state who the auditorium was named [TS]

  after right and then Billy Graham is it [TS]

  was not a concert with friends go call [TS]

  them Billy you don't know [TS]

  oh goodness ok not even know where to go [TS]

  from here [TS]

  in any case the other thing that was [TS]

  interesting was i don't recall how this [TS]

  was last year because i did get a ticket [TS]

  last year but I'll find out this year [TS]

  check your email i don't know just keep [TS]

  hitting refresh yeah that's totally [TS]

  gonna work [TS]

  I it makes you feel better i also got [TS]

  the email from Tesla advertising all the [TS]

  new features of the model s that my car [TS]

  doesn't have that makes me feel [TS]

  marginally better but I'm they're going [TS]

  to be broadcasting live [TS]

  actually let me read the quote from the [TS]

  website we will be live streaming [TS]

  sessions daily and posting videos of all [TS]

  our sessions throughout the week at the [TS]

  conference did they live stream anything [TS]

  other than like monday last year I had [TS]

  thought they were very very quick on the [TS]

  turnaround but i don't recall them live [TS]

  streaming regular sessions is that true [TS]

  or live streaming that means that [TS]

  they've opened or two streakers that [TS]

  offers around the world are watching [TS]

  learning about core foundation and then [TS]

  all of a sudden from the corner runs [TS]

  right across the state and never got [TS]

  over either was that guy english haha i [TS]

  love [TS]

  love [TS]

  all the other people who have seen you [TS]

  know comment on the fact they're live [TS]

  streaming this year this cot this [TS]

  concern is unique to you John [TS]

  well now it's kind of like the same way [TS]

  that they got rid of the Q&A meant that [TS]

  used to be the end of Q&A and they got [TS]

  rid of that for which is not [TS]

  constructive use of everyone's tongue [TS]

  was terrible because you know [TS]

  accumulator like but on the other hand [TS]

  sometimes you got some amusing or [TS]

  interesting questions there was the time [TS]

  they bailed on the Q&A about the app [TS]

  store because people really angry and [TS]

  they didn't want to deal with that so [TS]

  they just ended and cute you know so [TS]

  like Q&A is another example where you [TS]

  don't know what you're gonna get you [TS]

  have a prepared a presentation and you [TS]

  give it and then anything can happen and [TS]

  when you're there WC sometimes people [TS]

  yell something out from the audience [TS]

  that's funny that doesn't make it into [TS]

  the video because they edited out or [TS]

  they added out the little aside and [TS]

  usually people being excited about a new [TS]

  API or new parameter or something very [TS]

  like that this is one of the unique [TS]

  benefits of being there in person anyway [TS]

  they live stream it and someone was to [TS]

  yell something out in the audience are [TS]

  then that would make the live stream but [TS]

  probably not to the record one that they [TS]

  had it down [TS]

  oh def mean like the recorded ones they [TS]

  entered out like applause and laughter [TS]

  and like any little tiny slip-up they [TS]

  added that out to the the record ones [TS]

  they are extremely unfun no i agree on [TS]

  anything else on webc enjoy you too [TS]

  you're gonna get in plenty of time you [TS]

  got three days casey three whole days [TS]

  for Apple PR to listen to this podcast [TS]

  yeah sure you all Apple PR wants to do [TS]

  is listen the Act accidental text [TS]

  broadcast that's that's how they spend [TS]

  their saturday only doing what else have [TS]

  to do with their time well actually it's [TS]

  not even be released yet market releases [TS]

  tomorrow give me a chance here [TS]

  okay I'm just kidding [TS]

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  John while you're on vacation California [TS]

  forgetting what reality was you bought [TS]

  some new hardware i got to buy it in the [TS]

  official apple store I don't know what [TS]

  you call it it's the the one at one [TS]

  infinite loop they have low apple store [TS]

  their company store i'm i'm told that it [TS]

  used to look very different but now it [TS]

  just looks like a regular apple store [TS]

  I think I used to have like racks of [TS]

  clothes and stuff and you can buy like [TS]

  like mugs and silly things like that i [TS]

  don't know i never went to it is that [TS]

  all gone i I've only seen the old one [TS]

  and the new one the new one just looks [TS]

  like an apple store it's a bunch of [TS]

  tables got a big screen onto the walls [TS]

  it really need everything with these [TS]

  screens I don't know how they work it's [TS]

  like a cloth type thing i said its rear [TS]

  projection or something anyway can you [TS]

  still buy t-shirts and stuff they do [TS]

  have t-shirts there are displayed very [TS]

  strangely that stretched over these [TS]

  little rectangles so you can't tell that [TS]

  their shirts you just have to assume [TS]

  that the fabric stretches the rectangle [TS]

  shape has sleeves and a place for your [TS]

  head to come out and stuff but yeah you [TS]

  can buy t-shirts and back someone I saw [TS]

  someone there by a lot of t-shirts and [TS]

  i'm just adding up how much the most [TS]

  cost because each one of the teachers [TS]

  surely like 30 bucks or something anyway [TS]

  oh yeah they're not they're not well [TS]

  priced i meant to buy it i buy something [TS]

  before i left foot of the the date [TS]

  approached you worried the shipping is [TS]

  gonna come and you're gonna be on a plan [TS]

  like you know what I'm going there [TS]

  I'm i can just go to apple and get it so [TS]

  i did i got myself a normal sized iPad [TS]

  pro and a pencil and that the smart [TS]

  cover and I got the back to silicone [TS]

  cover thing as well and also got a [TS]

  replacement ipad my son he got the air [TS]

  this is combined birthday present with a [TS]

  bunch of other things replacing his ipad [TS]

  2 that he's destroyed utterly destroyed [TS]

  so hopefully now that he's older and a [TS]

  little bit wiser he will not only [TS]

  destroy this ipad but will be a big [TS]

  upgrade from his non retina iPad to that [TS]

  he's been using the pro-am as you would [TS]

  imagine upgrading from an ipad 3 is [TS]

  fantastic [TS]

  everything is fast and beautiful and the [TS]

  screen is amazing i left true tone on [TS]

  you know I tried a little demo that not [TS]

  an off [TS]

  I was worried that it would bother me [TS]

  that I would notice but I don't and I [TS]

  think it's great and I think that screen [TS]

  is amazing and I'm really happy about it [TS]

  the silicon back thing I don't know what [TS]

  you call the case that's the only ? I [TS]

  haven't on now only the back so it's not [TS]

  the front the the smart cover i have on [TS]

  the front the back and front fit [TS]

  together really nicely but an image [TS]

  looks neat when it's all closed up but [TS]

  it makes it harder to open you have to [TS]

  sort of find where the edges this [TS]

  doesn't you know with put a smart cover [TS]

  you can handle that smart cover thing [TS]

  that I think everyone conscious [TS]

  does where you you can slide out the [TS]

  Smart Cover slightly to get it popping [TS]

  off the edge of the ipad and pull it up [TS]

  with your thumb you know i'm talking [TS]

  about with the case the kind of seats [TS]

  together it's a little bit harder to get [TS]

  the edge and when you're holding it of [TS]

  course is a little lip around the whole [TS]

  thing and I'll of two minds on the lip [TS]

  it is bad and that it's you know it's a [TS]

  little Ridge where once it was smooth [TS]

  but it is good coming from an ipad 3 and [TS]

  that i wish the borders around the ipad [TS]

  we're a little bit bigger for thumb [TS]

  gripping and that little Ridge gives an [TS]

  extra grip the area to make up for the [TS]

  fact that the sides when held in [TS]

  portrait orientation are not as wide and [TS]

  also it doesn't like doesn't block the [TS]

  speakers are a little holes in the case [TS]

  for the four speakers to come out but i [TS]

  wonder if it's affecting the audio [TS]

  quality although the audio quality is so [TS]

  again so much better than this stupid [TS]

  one little tiny speaker on my bed three [TS]

  god it's amazing i hardly recommend not [TS]

  upgrading your iOS device for however [TS]

  many years I kept that I've been great [TS]

  because wow what a better [TS]

  well you've also like like if you look [TS]

  at the ipad lineup in retrospect they're [TS]

  you know they're all pretty good like [TS]

  there really weren't any like bad iPads [TS]

  but if you had to pick one as the worst [TS]

  ipad ever released its the ipad 3 i'm [TS]

  going to the ipad for i think i've had [TS]

  four is worse [TS]

  this is why no more was that bad for was [TS]

  the ipad 3 but with a faster processor [TS]

  and the Lightning port right yeah but [TS]

  you have to you have to wait later to [TS]

  get that you got the ipad 3 was the [TS]

  first reading the one you feel like I [TS]

  waited as what i did i waited a really [TS]

  long time I want to buy them when they [TS]

  read that I thought it was red and the [TS]

  four came out I didn't feel bad because [TS]

  one came out there was slightly faster [TS]

  and had a lightning poor I feel good [TS]

  that I had the written one wall for the [TS]

  three months that people were waiting [TS]

  for the floor and the battery life has [TS]

  been great and like any ipad 3 is it was [TS]

  great ipad feel like it yes it was big [TS]

  and it was hot but yeah but you know the [TS]

  answer like none of the ipads have been [TS]

  really bad but just like you know if you [TS]

  had to pick one is the worst i think [TS]

  everybody would agree ipad 3 was the [TS]

  worst of these pretty good product i [TS]

  would pick them the many with the two [TS]

  internals and it was worse because I yet [TS]

  you can't account for the time that it [TS]

  was released the mini with the two [TS]

  internals was released after the two but [TS]

  it was a slow as the two and it was [TS]

  non-retina and I think that was the dog [TS]

  of the ipad line anyway I'm I've enjoyed [TS]

  my ipad3 it served me well it's a [TS]

  reasonable counter argument that serve [TS]

  me well [TS]

  but the I think this ipad is going to go [TS]

  down as one of the really good ones [TS]

  because it is it's very impressive and [TS]

  it's a big step up from the other words [TS]

  i'm really use the pencil yet so I don't [TS]

  know I don't know what it wanted to use [TS]

  the pencil for i'm debating trying to [TS]

  use it for navigation now that all the [TS]

  people fought for my right to use it [TS]

  education all right well maybe I'll try [TS]

  for that i just bought a bigger i have [TS]

  used in the store everything and i was [TS]

  like i just bought it because it [TS]

  supports it and i'll surely find [TS]

  something to do with it and if not I'll [TS]

  have this need a little accessory [TS]

  yeah I'm enjoying it out and what I [TS]

  didn't enjoy was itunes nobody enjoys [TS]

  itunes I brought my ipad3 with me on the [TS]

  trip expecting to do it fully encrypted [TS]

  itunes backup and then plug into ipad [TS]

  and restore my encrypted itunes backup [TS]

  onto it and so basically just what i had [TS]

  in my bed 3 now is on my new iPad pro [TS]

  that seems like it should work is work [TS]

  for me in the past I did the backup from [TS]

  the ipad 32 the computer that I brought [TS]

  with me that worked fine and then I [TS]

  tried to restore onto that pro and that [TS]

  did not work fine [TS]

  it would take a really long time halfway [TS]

  through an error would occur then the [TS]

  ipad pro would reboot and that tried [TS]

  many different times in different [TS]

  permutations across reboots restarting [TS]

  both devices trying different techniques [TS]

  to you know redoing the the backups I [TS]

  mean it just never worked i spent many [TS]

  many hours trying to get agents restore [TS]

  into this i had to eventually resort to [TS]

  an iCloud backup and everyone knows what [TS]

  that's like you lose half your stuff [TS]

  that you have there had to reach sign [TS]

  into all my slack things you don't get [TS]

  any of your password saves he has [TS]

  re-enter all that information and it [TS]

  takes a year in a day to put all your [TS]

  apps back on so good old itunes screwed [TS]

  me one last time and will continue to [TS]

  because it like the next time i get an [TS]

  iOS devices if I have a choice between [TS]

  doing an encrypted back up and getting [TS]

  all those things and doing it the iCloud [TS]

  well with the current limitations i'll [TS]

  still try the itunes way but agreed that [TS]

  was not fun [TS]

  well I'm glad you got the new hardware [TS]

  and I'm glad you like it i mean you've [TS]

  been waiting a long long time did you [TS]

  get LTE i did on verizon or did you get [TS]

  the Apple someone or you don't have a [TS]

  choice when you buy you just say with [TS]

  cellular and that's what you get you get [TS]

  with cellular and so mine has cellular [TS]

  and [TS]

  during the setup was trying to tell me [TS]

  hey hooked up to it but I'm not you know [TS]

  oh add it to my verizon account when I [TS]

  go [TS]

  WABC which people asking why would you [TS]

  bother doing that doesn't every place [TS]

  has Wi-Fi and you have an iphone [TS]

  everybody's does have Wi-Fi but Wi-Fi is [TS]

  not made to support 3000 nerds with a [TS]

  million devices and so the Wi-Fi is [TS]

  usually not particularly healthy [TS]

  tethering and my experience has not [TS]

  worked particularly reliably the most [TS]

  reliable way to get any kind of internet [TS]

  access in the middle of moscone anyway [TS]

  with a bunch of other nerds in my [TS]

  experience has been verizon yeah I [TS]

  couldn't agree with you more i bought [TS]

  I've had I think for ipads and this last [TS]

  the the prior one to this one and the [TS]

  one I got for Christmas both minna have [TS]

  been with cellular and I couldn't agree [TS]

  with you more that that's the way to do [TS]

  it in general I mean it is like a [TS]

  hundred thirty dollars more money so it [TS]

  is fairly expensive but i really prefer [TS]

  to have an onboard cellular connection [TS]

  if I so desire even in in general just [TS]

  at even outside wEDC and then when [TS]

  you're in WWDC holy crap it's so much [TS]

  better being on any cellular network [TS]

  then it is being on the wEDC Wi-Fi [TS]

  particularly keynote day but I'm not [TS]

  gonna have to worry about that here [TS]

  don't know that you don't know but also [TS]

  like the in so many ways like it just [TS]

  makes sense to kind of like bring your [TS]

  own connection places like you not only [TS]

  is it generally more consistent and more [TS]

  reliable so it's also more secure like [TS]

  you don't you don't have to join [TS]

  somebody's crazy Wi-Fi lemme know if [TS]

  using a VPN software that's a little bit [TS]

  different but like most people and you [TS]

  know we like to think that everything is [TS]

  done over https but it's not still [TS]

  there's still a lot of things that [TS]

  aren't so I think for most people using [TS]

  a tether connection is way more secure [TS]

  than using some hotel Wi-Fi or something [TS]

  yeah alrighty well any other thoughts a [TS]

  new hardware my color choices for the [TS]

  case for kind of difficult i'd i've been [TS]

  going with kind of gray or black in the [TS]

  past I almost did it again but decided [TS]

  to go with midnight blue this time my [TS]

  were several colors there were more [TS]

  exciting i really do like the red [TS]

  my life has claimed the red and so do to [TS]

  avoid in-house confusion in-house iOS [TS]

  device confusion i have been kicked out [TS]

  of red which is going to whatever bye [TS]

  I wish they would like a better blues [TS]

  look more blue but I want with the [TS]

  midnight blue so at least it's not black [TS]

  I of course I got the space grey device [TS]

  but you can't see any of the space gray [TS]

  because it's all in the case now what [TS]

  did you get the silicon case it seems so [TS]

  peculiar to me I've never had a bad case [TS]

  of any my iPads I don't need arises in [TS]

  the first one but it's so so much [TS]

  thinner nothing have had three as you [TS]

  can imagine and I like the idea of a [TS]

  little bit of extra protection and a [TS]

  little bit of extra grip and so far i'm [TS]

  like my problems are not around back my [TS]

  problems are like the ridge and opening [TS]

  it and i'll see if it annoys me I'll [TS]

  take it off and you know lesson learned [TS]

  but so far i'm keeping it in there and i [TS]

  kind of like it [TS]

  space grain front party in the back now [TS]

  that's great the front you messed up [TS]

  black in the front my god [TS]

  well so I so I'm curious to know if you [TS]

  if you if you're a beer person you have [TS]

  undoubtedly heard from somebody who's [TS]

  ever drank beer before that oh well you [TS]

  have to go have guinness at the guinness [TS]

  brewery in Ireland it's so much better [TS]

  there and I honestly haven't done that I [TS]

  think it's about the same then please [TS]

  don't email me all of Ireland but I [TS]

  wonder like should-should the ipad that [TS]

  you buy at one infinite loop at the [TS]

  company store should that be like a [TS]

  little bit better than all the all the [TS]

  ipad should be like should like you know [TS]

  smell fresher or should be like five [TS]

  percent faster probably do you feel like [TS]

  you have gotten something special you [TS]

  know this is the cpu and GPU is five [TS]

  megahertz faster yeah yeah Lee didn't [TS]

  tell you that my mind has four gigs of [TS]

  ram [TS]

  yeah no I think it's about the same and [TS]

  the only difference is I think the apple [TS]

  store was a little bit less crowded when [TS]

  I went in like when I when I got in [TS]

  there like wow this is actually a pretty [TS]

  empty for apples over by the time I was [TS]

  done with my transaction and picking [TS]

  everything out and get everything [TS]

  everything all packaged up that stores [TS]

  mob so i think i just came before the [TS]

  rush you a lot of times like that [TS]

  they'll have like tour buses that stop [TS]

  there [TS]

  yeah I don't know what though I did see [TS]

  a company tour [TS]

  I got there was a bunch of people in [TS]

  suits i think they were being led around [TS]

  by someone from apple like we have them [TS]

  at our place there with important people [TS]

  come and they want to show them like on [TS]

  a big tour and all the people are all [TS]

  dressed up like their executives from [TS]

  Southern other company so I saw one [TS]

  group like that and then just a bunch of [TS]

  other people that came in a big mob [TS]

  after me [TS]

  the other advantage is that the parking [TS]

  lots of Apple are filled with [TS]

  interesting cars both the visitor [TS]

  parking lots and the employee parking [TS]

  lots are filled much margin cars then [TS]

  the natick mall sorry natick mall for [TS]

  the chestnut [TS]

  well yeah but like it lots and lots of [TS]

  hybrids or electric vehicles [TS]

  hey I one of the ones i did I think [TS]

  you're going to show you that the hybrid [TS]

  panamera no I don't think you did it [TS]

  could have been one of those 260,000 [TS]

  dollar models all black with fancy [TS]

  wheels just tons of need cars [TS]

  excellent yeah I've never been to an [TS]

  infinite loop i have always had [TS]

  something else to do [TS]

  back when they used to do the buses at [TS]

  WTC like not the official apple ones [TS]

  like there was a an organization like a [TS]

  group of people that would organize a [TS]

  bus trip down to infinite loop and I [TS]

  just to always had something else they [TS]

  always visit with a with a good friend [TS]

  of mine and so I've never ever ever been [TS]

  and Marco you said you've been John [TS]

  obviously just went and I'm kind of [TS]

  jealous i'd like to see it sometime [TS]

  especially before it goes away forever [TS]

  was organized by friends everybody Jeff [TS]

  lamarche mm not he organized those those [TS]

  pilgrimage bus tours i don't know i [TS]

  don't think he still does that but yeah [TS]

  those are those are kind of fun [TS]

  yeah it's not like it's going away but [TS]

  once campus to opens up I imagine a lot [TS]

  of the important things that are [TS]

  currently one infinite loop will be [TS]

  moved to campus to like Tim Cook's [TS]

  offices somewhere there when infinite [TS]

  loop and I so move hills will move to [TS]

  campus to as well many other people [TS]

  maybe the apple store move I don't know [TS]

  but this is the last the last moments [TS]

  that one infinite loop is the face of [TS]

  Apple yep now hopefully get to see it [TS]

  sometime [TS]

  madewell potentially have a lot of free [TS]

  time he tried to car and go check it out [TS]

  say it again thanks a lot 43 sponsors [TS]

  this week betterment ring and fracture [TS]

  and we will see you next week [TS]

  now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

  mean to be in because it was accidental [TS]

  death was accidental [TS]

  John research Marco and Casey would like [TS]

  because it was accidental was accidental [TS]

  and you can find the show know today p [TS]

  dot m and if twitter follow them [TS]

  yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

  co a RM Angie Marco Arment and our CC [TS]

  Syracuse [TS]

  did you reload your your email app i've [TS]

  been i've been looking at my bank and [TS]

  then telling myself you're just jinxing [TS]

  it [TS]

  stop looking waiting five minutes [TS]

  looking again you're jinxing yourself [TS]

  stop looking at my drinking yourself [TS]

  stop drinking yourself exactly stop [TS]

  hitting yourself stop jinxing yourself [TS]

  to stop all the things and now [TS]

  no dice said casey sad so if you want to [TS]

  have a bit of a neutral if we almost [TS]

  have something else to talk about and [TS]

  talking about my bagel most oh yeah [TS]

  deval yeah so we have to cover your [TS]

  bagel post so John you blog for the [TS]

  first time in how long [TS]

  over a year slightly over here okay the [TS]

  content of your blog post is a bulleted [TS]

  list can you explain this blog post [TS]

  please [TS]

  so on this podcast it's not called [TS]

  developing respective and not called [TS]

  under the radar but it's called top for [TS]

  some people one of whom is here and [TS]

  talked about their top-four bagel [TS]

  varieties or flavors and I listen to [TS]

  this podcast on the way out of san [TS]

  francisco i thought i had prepared [TS]

  myself one person involved the podcast [TS]

  grew up on Long Island like I did and [TS]

  the other person was Marco but I thought [TS]

  I felt like I was ready I was not ready [TS]

  for the list that would appear and i [TS]

  could not have predicted these lists [TS]

  they were just more upsetting and [TS]

  fantastical and uh unexpected that I [TS]

  could have imagined i paid for the [TS]

  in-flight Wi-Fi just like a complaint to [TS]

  Marco directly about this pot I vowed [TS]

  that when I got done with this vacation [TS]

  I was going to blog again and what I was [TS]

  going to blog was a list of canonical [TS]

  bagel flavors and that's exactly what i [TS]

  did i made a blog post that lists the [TS]

  canonical bagel flavors and I feel like [TS]

  this needed to be done for posterity the [TS]

  google spider it [TS] will archive it somewhere [TS]

  that someday aliens will dig up our [TS]

  civilization were long gone and finance [TS]

  blog posts that it's synced to the point [TS]

  not a lot of dancing around is just a [TS]

  list the list the canonical big flavors [TS]

  and I feel much better having done it [TS]

  and yes it happens to be a better year [TS]

  since [TS]

  this time yes so obviously i have some [TS]

  new pics here [TS]

  the flavors you've listed are no are [TS]

  noticeably missing some of the ones that [TS]

  we mentioned during our show and there [TS]

  are some that we even said berry [TS]

  Michelle were not canonical old-school [TS]

  battles like the asiago cheese bagel you [TS]

  that's don't think you need to say [TS]

  old-school here's I don't wanna put a [TS]

  lot of commentary in this was I don't [TS]

  think it's necessary for the post but [TS]

  for the purposes of the podcast there is [TS]

  a distinction made between this is not a [TS]

  bagel forces this is a canonical bagel [TS]

  flavor understand like the distinction [TS]

  like the sort of uh you know what let's [TS]

  make up [TS]

  I'm trying to make up one that doesn't [TS]

  actually exist and i'm going to succeed [TS]

  but let's say the cheesecake bagel is [TS]

  not a bagel guaranteed exist somewhere [TS]

  in the Midwest I'm someone who's making [TS]

  that right but there are bagels on this [TS]

  list that are bagels that it was not [TS]

  among the canonical bagel flavors there [TS]

  were some difficult decisions to make [TS]

  and I can i thought i was going around [TS]

  this thing off and push came to shove I [TS]

  had to make some very hard calls here [TS]

  that some people are upset about and I [TS]

  understand they're upset mr. the big one [TS]

  I feel like is garlic garlic bagel is a [TS]

  bagel right [TS]

  oh yes oh yes missed it just missed also [TS]

  some curious like you have obviously you [TS]

  have playing papi says me everything [TS]

  those 44 bagel places those are always [TS]

  like the top for that that think that [TS]

  they're always on your list [TS]

  not on your list mr. asiago cheese so [TS]

  those tips are by sales volume actually [TS]

  I better serve cheese is up there for [TS]

  four stores that do sell it especially [TS]

  those in the Midwest but not a bagel by [TS]

  the way I know it's still look so anyway [TS]

  there are some inconsistencies that in [TS]

  your list so obviously playing papi [TS]

  sesame everything those have to be at [TS]

  everybody go list for a forward because [TS]

  just by sales volume people have voted [TS]

  and that's what always gonna be that's [TS]

  not without this works that was not work [TS]

  by sales volume well but some curious [TS]

  you've included onion and salt yes but [TS]

  not garlic that seems inconsistent [TS]

  that's right it's a tough call [TS]

  here's the here's the there is a if you [TS]

  go through this list is like a little [TS]

  story right it's not it's an unordered [TS]

  that's not well there it sits now UL [TS]

  right is not OLTL right different never [TS]

  listens there is an order [TS]

  so I'm not playing is there but it's not [TS]

  next to number one next to a bullet [TS]

  point but this [TS]

  reason it's at the top right it's you [TS]

  start off and you feel like is you know [TS]

  right plane papi sesame and i spent a [TS]

  long time thinking about whether popular [TS]

  sesame would come second right leg [TS]

  cinnamon raisin which Marco keep [TS]

  submitting for some strange reason [TS]

  everything further down the list and and [TS]

  forbye sales volume by the way I think I [TS]

  think says me out that does papi that's [TS]

  not as sales volume does not factor into [TS]

  this i think she'll finally it would be [TS]

  playing everything sesame papi [TS]

  alright it depends on where where it's [TS]

  being sold and who's buying alright so [TS]

  cinnamon raisin heroes off a little bit [TS]

  and then you've got everything you can [TS]

  beg everything [TS]

  why is everything why is everything even [TS]

  on this list why is that lot next to egg [TS]

  why is it under everything [TS]

  why does cinnamon raisin come between it [TS]

  i was going to nitpick your inclusion of [TS]

  everything as well because I don't think [TS]

  you're on a list that this restrictive [TS]

  and this short I don't think everything [TS]

  belongs on that list i know but like it [TS]

  so here's the i spent a long time so the [TS]

  whole vacation thinking about why is why [TS]

  is everything listen garlic is not it [TS]

  just this is what it comes down to these [TS]

  are the canonical flavors garlic does [TS]

  not make the cut everything does [TS]

  everything is the most borderline if I [TS]

  had to delete one I would really take [TS]

  everything right [TS]

  if I'd make a list one shorter but not [TS]

  this is it [TS]

  I mean he makes it Salt make it [TS]

  pumpernickel people don't talk about [TS]

  comfortable but it's there [TS]

  I talked about pumpernickel you have [TS]

  arrived which I said the Rye family of [TS]

  flavors which included you can't like in [TS]

  your typical water trying to pick 17 [TS]

  different bagels for your ID number for [TS]

  pumpernickel is a wry i know we get to [TS]

  pick one [TS]

  it includes rai marble and pumpernickel [TS]

  in the pumper in the Rye family of [TS]

  bagels because most places don't have [TS]

  all three of those and so if i want that [TS]

  i will pick whichever one of those they [TS]

  have that looks the best [TS]

  he also pick the one that you didn't [TS]

  know the name of which was like the one [TS]

  with oats on the outside that's brown [TS]

  mhm yeah what is that called according [TS]

  to you even though it isn't on this list [TS]

  apparently unless it's called everything [TS]

  is the reason is not listen doesn't have [TS]

  a name some people call it a multigrain [TS]

  some people call it like wheat or grain [TS]

  like that it's not even know that's not [TS]

  make the list does not make the list i [TS]

  have a question what is it that makes [TS]

  bagels in [TS]

  New York and Montreal the Montreal is [TS]

  loose definition bagel [TS]

  what is the middle both of those what it [TS]

  what is it that makes both of those [TS]

  bagels so good I uh I I don't know I [TS]

  that's this been a lot of research about [TS]

  this of is that the water is it this [TS]

  starter is it the what I think I mean [TS]

  obviously the bases like cooking [TS]

  techniques like you don't blow your [TS]

  bagels you're not making bagels and that [TS]

  just forget it [TS]

  they're totally off the rails there but [TS]

  I mean this recipe ingredients and [TS]

  preparation and and caring about what [TS]

  you make I mean like six about lenders [TS]

  bagels like lenders bagels or [TS]

  supermarket bagels it made in techniques [TS]

  that I that I have to scale up the huge [TS]

  volumes real bagels they make them in [TS]

  the morning and you come and buy them [TS]

  and as Mark pointed out on the show if [TS]

  you come in the afternoon they're not as [TS]

  good and that's just the kind of problem [TS]

  is you're not going to ship it into [TS]

  truck across the country frozen like [TS]

  it's just it's not going to be the same [TS]

  thing I don't know why Montreal has a [TS]

  particular bagel culture but it's like [TS]

  bread like why is bread good at some [TS]

  places better why do you have like bad [TS]

  supermarket bread and some bakeries have [TS]

  really good bread and the bakery's have [TS]

  really good read where you get that [TS]

  bread and when you get the time of day [TS]

  and they make it everyday and you know [TS]

  that's what it comes down to [TS]

  you're wrong alright here's the thing in [TS]

  the chat room is wrong you're wrong i'm [TS]

  really disappointed everyone though the [TS]

  origins of bagels somewhat obscure says [TS]

  the origin of truth wikipedia it is know [TS]

  that they were widely consumed in [TS]

  Eastern European European Jewish [TS]

  communities from 17th century the reason [TS]

  that New York bagels and Montreal [TS]

  air-quote bagels air-quote are so good [TS]

  is because of the significant Jewish [TS]

  population both of those cities of the [TS]

  three of us I think we can unequivocally [TS]

  decide which one of us is the most [TS]

  Jewish of the three of us and that is [TS]

  yours truly and the fact that you two [TS]

  are arguing about something that you are [TS]

  completely unqualified to discuss I just [TS]

  think it's hysterical [TS]

  false you didn't grow up in new york new [TS]

  york metro area nothing about really [TS]

  Johnson really know nothing about [TS]

  nothing common part of your genetics you [TS]

  don't make bagels for a living and even [TS]

  if you did you don't make them in new [TS]

  york metro area people who no one would [TS]

  know it from where they grow up with it [TS]

  that's where the knowledge of the food [TS]

  comes from and not from any sort of [TS]

  not in your DNA and never mind like that [TS]

  the Heritage's like me claiming to know [TS]

  stuff about Italian food i know nothing [TS]

  about time for never been to Italy I [TS]

  know italian-american food because I'm [TS]

  Italian American and those immigrants [TS]

  came to where I grew up and they sold [TS]

  food there and I am I fully expect the [TS]

  new york metro area bagels had nothing [TS]

  to do with whatever because you're [TS]

  talking about in the 17th century from [TS]

  Europe who knows what those realizing [TS]

  all i knows what they're like in New [TS]

  York metro area [TS]

  John you forget that i spent a large [TS]

  portion of my childhood either in new [TS]

  york state or in Connecticut literally [TS]

  so close to New York I could walk and [TS]

  get there [TS]

  that's how closely ya do ya uh-huh [TS]

  that's what people who are not in the [TS]

  new york metro area say about it I'm i [TS]

  was in Connecticut that's like New York [TS]

  we have Frank Pepe's just know so so two [TS]

  things number one I think all of our [TS]

  cultural backgrounds aside I think this [TS]

  is one of those things where you have to [TS]

  pull a gift / george lucas and just say [TS]

  you know what [TS]

  even though academically you should be [TS]

  right on this you're not and secondly [TS]

  only one of us still lives in New York [TS]

  metro area [TS]

  well Marco the only good lord over us [TS]

  Marco is that you have access to good [TS]

  bagels and I've been believe me I am [TS]

  sufficiently jealous of that believe me [TS]

  and sometimes when we discuss you know [TS]

  like when you're talking about like what [TS]

  marco would never move someplace other [TS]

  than New York and I would say why would [TS]

  he do that he would be leaving behind [TS]

  pizza bagels why would he ever move i [TS]

  would hate you so much have you ever [TS]

  movies I feel like you're throwing it [TS]

  away you've got it right there [TS]

  you've got a house you get a Tesla got a [TS]

  kid you got bagels and pizzas why would [TS]

  you ever gonna all self-employment tax [TS]

  while blood now just north of the bagels [TS]

  there's a reason I still tolerate all of [TS]

  New York's BS because i like a lot of [TS]

  the stuff i believe in New York has no [TS]

  shortage of BS and hostility that [TS]

  encourages people to flee but those of [TS]

  us who are still here which is one of us [TS]

  are are are here for good reasons [TS]

  good round multiple reasons to make it [TS]

  so that no one listen to this podcast [TS]

  that I could actually have to go to this [TS]

  blog post after the list says also be [TS]

  Ali's which I i have no problem [TS]

  including bialys although i'm not sure i [TS]

  would call the the bialy a bagel flavor [TS]

  it's not it says also just as a separate [TS]

  list also be Ali's yeah but the title [TS]

  the entire post is canonical bagel [TS]

  flavors and includes list and then it [TS]

  says these are the canonical bail [TS]

  flavors and give a listen this is also [TS]

  be allies is trying to say also be [TS]

  always exist and they are good [TS]

  wow Mike and they are good although i'm [TS]

  not so sure about your supermarket [TS]

  bialys I feel like something is up here [TS]

  you should next time you're here i'll [TS]

  have you try one you can tell me how it [TS]

  compares i have had be always from like [TS]

  good bagel bakery stuff and they're good [TS]

  too but the supermarket ones i think [TS]

  it's just better if you don't from the [TS]

  ones I've had now granted I haven't [TS]

  looked very hard at like what's the best [TS]

  bialy in westchester or the city i [TS]

  haven't looked hard but to be honest [TS]

  I've had a bagel places have not been [TS]

  substantially better or better at all [TS]

  then the ones i get from my local [TS]

  grocery store now I i know that's [TS]

  probably i'm probably missing something [TS]

  big here because I shouldn't be the case [TS]

  maybe they're buying them for my local [TS]

  bagel place it could be the same you [TS]

  have to know where their their source [TS]

  from you could be the same thing could [TS]

  be the bagel place the trip to the [TS]

  supermarket and sells them but anyway [TS]

  i'm i'm not a big fan of realities but I [TS]

  always felt like we would get bagels [TS]

  growing up we want to be always turning [TS]

  they could even you know just it's just [TS]

  in in the mix where do we go from here [TS]

  I don't know how can we I mean could go [TS]

  to margos thousand buy bagels or yeah [TS]

  well I tell you what we're going to talk [TS]

  about about the test i was in a test [TS]

  earlier today [TS]

  well I i just had a minor update but [TS]

  it's not time sensitive soup so you can [TS]

  you look let's hear about your time and [TS]

  Tesla really was unintentional i went [TS]

  from work to my favorite local barbecue [TS]

  joint and then back and I was a [TS]

  passenger but it was good [TS]

  cool alright we're in the backseat [TS]

  different seat [TS]

  yeah I was I was I was in the front seat [TS]

  I fiddled with the comically absurdly [TS]

  ridiculously oversized touchscreen I [TS]

  learned that Tesla has its own like [TS]

  Pandora s service [TS]

  well no it's slacker whatever it is ok i [TS]

  learned the web browser is being used by [TS]

  enterprising developers to make kind of [TS]

  sort of third-party mega air quotes apps [TS]

  mega air quotes of the browser's [TS]

  terrible [TS]

  yeah but i forget what underscore had on [TS]

  his but it was something that like [TS]

  integrated [TS]

  traffic and issue reporting from ways [TS]

  with the onboard GPS because it just [TS]

  uses a the html5 location API and I i [TS]

  don't recall exactly the URL wasn't [TS]

  recall exactly what was called but it [TS]

  would show a map with this stuff that [TS]

  weighs reported in ways is very good [TS]

  about having up-to-the-second accurate [TS]

  reports on traffic conditions and [TS]

  obstructions and police officers and [TS]

  things of that nature [TS]

  that's about so here he had that up on [TS]

  his web browser while teaching have a [TS]

  web browser up at all but when I was [TS]

  fiddling with it while he was driving [TS]

  that's the last thing it had up on his [TS]

  web browser that was pretty neat notes [TS]

  it's impressive actually I tried when I [TS]

  when I first got it i'd actually tried [TS]

  to see like can I use that as an [TS]

  overcast interface and the the basic [TS]

  answer is no because the that there is [TS]

  no ability for the browser to play audio [TS]

  friday i assumed for safety or DoD [TS]

  regulations they disabled audio and [TS]

  video elements from playing and the [TS]

  built-in browser but video makes sense [TS]

  audio I don't think does because there's [TS]

  lots of other ways to play audio from [TS]

  the internet in the Tesla so IRA enough [TS]

  so what's your update so I i wanted to [TS]

  to put somewhere and I was your blog [TS]

  post or here and here is probably the [TS]

  better place for it just the religiously [TS]

  the sheer difference in how other people [TS]

  seem to be perceiving me having a test [TS]

  like people in the world my neighbors [TS]

  things like that jet so you know coming [TS]

  from a loud black sporty BMW to a silent [TS]

  red environmental future car i feel like [TS]

  the weight like so I know like I know [TS]

  immediately like my neighbors and people [TS]

  on the Block hated hearing my my loud [TS]

  car and they probably thought I was a [TS]

  jerk for driving it and even when I [TS]

  wasn't going fast and like I was going [TS]

  fast and and i would imagine that didn't [TS]

  win me any favors around the block and [TS]

  nobody ever commented like if we think [TS]

  about getting out of the car or you know [TS]

  somebody saw me like in it with the [TS]

  windows down in the parking lot [TS]

  nobody ever commented positively about [TS]

  the BMW except occasionally like [TS]

  some like dude in his twenties noise you [TS]

  know something like that but that would [TS]

  be a car guys guys look appreciatively I [TS]

  wouldn't look appreciate the cars that I [TS]

  say sure ya do I still but anyway but [TS]

  people would make snarky comments about [TS]

  the the about the loudest other whatever [TS]

  absolutely yeah [TS]

  neighbors and yeah like you know it was [TS]

  it was noticed and was generally not [TS]

  appreciated by many of the people around [TS]

  and I just kind of like you just kind of [TS]

  get the feel like people think I'm a [TS]

  jerk by driving this car you know [TS]

  because you kind of seem like a jerk if [TS]

  you drive allow you doing the Tesla's [TS]

  helping with that are hurting right so I [TS]

  expected you know this might be you know [TS]

  a little bit worse in some ways [TS]

  especially cuz now it's bread what's [TS]

  more it's kind of more in your face but [TS]

  turns out the way people treat somebody [TS]

  driving a red Tesla is way more positive [TS]

  and the way they treat people who are [TS]

  having a loud black BMW not so first of [TS]

  all I have gotten so many questions from [TS]

  people about it [TS]

  this is this has been the biggest [TS]

  mistake i want to talk about like the [TS]

  the amount of questions have gotten has [TS]

  been shocking and and most of the [TS]

  questions are roughly in the same small [TS]

  group of buckets but what's interesting [TS]

  I think is just like when you're driving [TS]

  a loud black sports car even in an area [TS]

  like where I live there's lots of bmw's [TS]

  but he even in an area with lots of lots [TS]

  of other lab black sports cars and five [TS]

  is not a sports car [TS]

  point of order ok i am not sure I agree [TS]

  with that but ok yeah you don't agree [TS]

  with that empty m5 is not a sports car [TS]

  sports sedan mm I don't agree method [TS]

  yea tall coops cornered the market on [TS]

  good cars and you guys can be happy to [TS]

  be wrong is not a sports guy that's fine [TS]

  but I tell you what whether or not it is [TS]

  a sports car and I know Marco said this [TS]

  but I i think i should double down on [TS]

  this like it is really loud like [TS]

  stunningly loud for a stock completely [TS]

  unmodified car in you could absolutely [TS]

  here Marco coming from several houses [TS]

  away if not like a block schematic of [TS]

  the block and that's not even [TS]

  necessarily because he tends to drive [TS]

  quickly just in general like if you've [TS]

  heard allowed [TS]

  hard you're thinking to yourself oh yeah [TS]

  whatever i've heard about our they're [TS]

  not that loud no really this thing is [TS]

  very loud that imply was very very loud [TS]

  i like that it made a good sound on the [TS]

  outside help me too me too i'm not [TS]

  complaining I'm not complaining at all [TS]

  I'm just saying if you've never heard an [TS]

  m5 it you'd be surprised about how loud [TS]

  it is [TS]

  yeah and all the M cars are tuned [TS]

  specifically to be loud like the 1m was [TS]

  that loud all the m3's are that loud [TS]

  like it that's just it that's [TS]

  intentional you know so anyway and and I [TS]

  didn't you know I wouldn't choose that I [TS]

  i didn't have it because it was loud i [TS]

  had it because it was fast and just so [TS]

  happened to get things that fast you had [TS]

  to also get them loud because that's [TS]

  just the way they were sold because most [TS]

  people who buy them wanted to that lab [TS]

  anyway so now I i have this silent car [TS]

  that is i guess more friendly and so I'm [TS]

  getting tons of compliments on it from [TS]

  strangers often times are people who [TS]

  have never comment about my car before I [TS]

  like when i get out of parking lot of [TS]

  questions from people like is that what [TS]

  is that an electric is that is a Tesla [TS]

  and so first of all Tesla has a level of [TS]

  awareness in the public that I was it is [TS]

  way higher than I expected it's almost [TS]

  like an apple level of awareness like [TS]

  the the amount of questioning I get and [TS]

  the excitement people have over it is [TS]

  almost like when you like when the [TS]

  iphone first came out if you had the [TS]

  very first iphone you have people like [TS]

  people would / could like see you with [TS]

  that like oh my god that the iphone and [TS]

  start asking a couple questions about it [TS]

  or they want to see it [TS]

  that's how people are with the Tesla [TS]

  everyone seems to know first of all that [TS]

  there's a super fast one and so we have [TS]

  can't say no I didn't get that one so [TS]

  you know it's always the insane what no [TS]

  i think it's the same one [TS]

  it's still fast cards i think about it [TS]

  and they'll how the mighty have fallen [TS]

  I know right na and then everyone also [TS]

  knows about autopilot like this and this [TS]

  was just kind of surprised I didn't [TS]

  think it made that big of a splash in or [TS]

  whatever it was that big of a deal but [TS]

  everyone's like just the one that can [TS]

  steer itself and that you can these [TS]

  really not necessarily like carner just [TS]

  like regular people know and they're [TS]

  asking about this and ask how do you how [TS]

  does it go on the highway [TS]

  can you fill it up you know like it and [TS]

  some people as you know how it is there [TS]

  also a gas engine [TS]

  a lot so you know i'm just i'm doing a [TS]

  lot of explaining and like I assume like [TS]

  if you wanted people were like what the [TS]

  first previous you know I i assume that [TS]

  you got a lot of questioning their even [TS]

  if you had like one of the first [TS]

  electric vehicles that were that were [TS]

  pure electric like like the like the [TS]

  nissan leaf or something like I would [TS]

  imagine you occasionally get questions [TS]

  from somebody like if they saw you plug [TS]

  it in and so they would that we could [TS]

  call out that this is something [TS]

  different but this is like when I'm just [TS]

  driving around everyone just is really [TS]

  curious about this car i'm getting so [TS]

  many questions [TS]

  the one thing that seems to blow [TS]

  people's minds the most well two things [TS]

  number one how much space there is [TS]

  inside if they look inside number to the [TS]

  big thing that blows everyone's mind is [TS]

  that super chargers are free [TS]

  mmm interesting the idea that idea you [TS]

  know it's just like how like that i like [TS]

  a things being free kind of like maple [TS]

  brains explode like I'm witnessing that [TS]

  whenever because it usually they'll [TS]

  inevitably ask like those how do you do [TS]

  how you doing on long highway drivers [TS]

  can you do it and I'll also mention the [TS]

  superchargers and they always ask her [TS]

  how much does it cost to fill up at [TS]

  those and so it's it's it's free it's [TS]

  included and they're like what and they [TS]

  cannot be like that blows their mind [TS]

  that you can fill up 44 he even if it [TS]

  takes 45 minutes like it blows their [TS]

  mind that this is just free even though [TS]

  you know if they charge for it would [TS]

  probably be like two dollars you know it [TS]

  wouldn't be a lot of money if they're [TS]

  charging like whatever you know a fair [TS]

  rate would be for that electricity but [TS]

  just the idea that being free just blows [TS]

  people's minds it's really interesting [TS]

  and I've never gotten the level of like [TS]

  strangers coming up to me about anything [TS]

  that i have about this car [TS]

  so did you sell some Tesla so do they [TS]

  eventually ask you how much it costs and [TS]

  then they run away i tend to not bring [TS]

  up the cost and they don't either and so [TS]

  I I you know and I'll and also a lot of [TS]

  know but the model 3 a lot of them are [TS]

  like oh yeah it is you know it i heard [TS]

  about the new one to be a lot cheaper [TS]

  and you so I'm telling you like the the [TS]

  level of like awareness public awareness [TS]

  and and public interest in this company [TS]

  is way off the charts compared to what i [TS]

  expected so how many how old are the [TS]

  people who are asking these questions as [TS]

  kids adults really old people [TS]

  i mean i-i there aren't that many kids [TS]

  in in this area honestly i would i would [TS]

  set the table of the kids in there [TS]

  no I well yeah but like so you say you [TS]

  arrive to get chickens out of the [TS]

  Lamborghini the five kids that are in [TS]

  your town would be talking to you about [TS]

  that car right [TS]

  probably but but yeah I mean like it [TS]

  most people asking our I'd say in their [TS]

  40s to 60s that's like average sure [TS]

  you'd expect to see just the people that [TS]

  are there [TS]

  I'm just want to give it interacts it [TS]

  like the Tesla where nas's it's killing [TS]

  young or old [TS]

  i would say it's all over the map like [TS]

  the electrician to read the day like [TS]

  they know and obviously there they've [TS]

  seen them before because they have [TS]

  installed Tesla outlets for people [TS]

  before but they were asking all sorts of [TS]

  questions about it was it was an older [TS]

  guy younger guy and win and like today [TS]

  at the in the miners getting lunch today [TS]

  one of the clerks at the post office who [TS]

  i knew from going there every time she [TS]

  was in the park like all my god that's [TS]

  your car that's beautiful and she called [TS]

  she called her husband out of her car to [TS]

  come see it [TS]

  everyone is so interested in this car [TS]

  and it's not like this is not the first [TS]

  test in my neighborhood there there's [TS]

  there's at least four others that I see [TS]

  you're on a regular basis so like it's [TS]

  not and have for a while now so it's not [TS]

  like it's especially liked the first one [TS]

  that's been around how much of a factor [TS]

  do you think the color is certainly [TS]

  something you know because being a red [TS]

  cup but it's not like you know there are [TS]

  other red cars like it's it's there's [TS]

  lots of other red cars in town it's not [TS]

  like Ferrari red it's not like a bright [TS]

  cherry it's kind of like a medium red [TS]

  it's not like super intense it doesn't [TS]

  seem like it would be that visually [TS]

  catchy of a car like it it doesn't look [TS]

  that unusual compared to other cars [TS]

  speaking of unusual cars when I was out [TS]

  in California I saw for the first time I [TS]

  threes which are everywhere there and [TS]

  are butt ugly [TS]

  yes and the model x which are also over [TS]

  there and are also butt-ugly i have not [TS]

  seen an ex yet in person [TS]

  there was a lot of them a lot of the [TS]

  California do not like yeah I I can't [TS]

  argue with that just ungainly i saw one [TS]

  in white it was literally look like one [TS]

  of those uh we call it the know those [TS]

  whales that are white starts with a be [TS]

  maybe chat room help me out [TS]

  beluga cases BMW haha [TS]

  I'm already hurt and you don't need to [TS]

  stab me in the back to you know tough [TS]

  crowd tonight I'm sorry about your white [TS]

  color Casey I'm not sorry about my lack [TS]

  of the ticket but I'm not sorry about my [TS]

  white car should be an hour didn't look [TS]

  like moby dick dick was firm well right [TS]

  don't open it don't they say anything I [TS]

  actually read any book i'm supposed to [TS]

  read in school now I don't know do you [TS]

  like Marco having these people come up [TS]

  and ask you these questions like I [TS]

  obviously there's times when it's [TS]

  convenient times or where it isn't but [TS]

  in the grand scheme of things do you [TS]

  find it kinda neat or you kind of like [TS]

  dudes leave me alone I don't mean so far [TS]

  it's just kind of its novel you know [TS]

  because I've never had anybody express [TS]

  their kind of interest in the things i [TS]

  was driving in the chicken salad parking [TS]

  lot was going to print out laminated [TS]

  cards to just hand the people could send [TS]

  someone asked questions haha [TS]

  here take this card here's an FAQ right [TS]

  yeah so yeah I mean yeah ask me again in [TS]

  a year might have gotten old by that [TS]

  point but uh but now I so far it's it's [TS]

  just kind of cool like I you know I mean [TS]

  environmental people who drive fun car [TS]

  to drive like you know like the first [TS]

  Hyper's or the first TV so you know that [TS]

  people have had these questions for [TS]

  other owners before I've seen people [TS]

  write about it and like it seems like [TS]

  it's kind of like kind of a fun thing of [TS]

  having these cars i think what surprises [TS]

  me is that it's still going on and I [TS]

  kind of thought we'd be past the stage [TS]

  of these things would be novel but we're [TS]

  not [TS]