176: Yellow Sock Time
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are either of you watching a new top
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gear know what I want to do that so I'm
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just very slowly and I watched episode 2
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I think i'm on 322 is no good
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three is where it starts to take a turn
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in a good one but two is to is the one
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where they review the big yellow Ferrari
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right I yes I believe that's right away
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and Rose well yeah but this the Epsom
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however the 3 through 5 are much
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improved was watching so Marco
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definitely don't even bother with 123
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5050 i would say yes so 60 40 45
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definitely if you have time worth
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I think I'll just start like this season
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this plus 1 and just tell me when that
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Tony that's good parent
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we should probably start with some
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follow-up and is it
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linux or Linus always get it wrong
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Torvalds heads them said some things to
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say to you John of all people about hfs+
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wasn't to me really this was the thing I
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was looking for a last week I said that
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a contestar walls had said unkind things
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about hfs+ because he had a run-in with
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it as it relates to the good version
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control system and I googled for it and
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I found this exact URL but I mean it's
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like a bear blind is a google plus
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blindness this is a google but all that
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that can't be it i thought he had a blog
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post or something I just ignored this
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this google busing it turns out that his
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little I don't know if this is the
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origin but this is another place where
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he complained about isn't a comment on
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google+ page so it's basically invisible
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as far as the civilized world is
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concerned anyway I think I noticed it
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because I think he did with the
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equivalent of at mentioning me there and
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I probably got some notification and
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google+ back when I was still paying
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attention to google glass and we'll put
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a link in the show notes remember when
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you go to the link
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there's no way to directly link to this
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comment as far as i could tell you just
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have to scroll until you see his name
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and the substance of it doesn't really
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matter that much as we talked about last
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week it's more if you want to see the
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things that people both love and hate
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about the linux kernel and linus
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torvalds and and just those communities
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how he just says everything in sort of a
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rude dismissive way like the HMS pluses
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actively designed to be bad by people
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who thought they had good ideas and they
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should just very pasty eaters and they
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have no idea what they're doing
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it's it's very rude like you can say all
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the same things about being rude and
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that's a topic that's come up a lot and
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open source communities like some people
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enjoy that like drawn to keep it real
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and other people like I don't want to
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hang out with a bunch of people who are
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jerks to each other right can we not
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talk about technical issues without
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calling people names
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i stalled can't that's too bad
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anyway they're so just following up from
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last weekend closing the circle on why
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hfs+ makes people angry and you can see
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it's basically about he really doesn't
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like NFD to do the decomposed normalized
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form from unicode even though address
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what plus doesn't use the exact NFD
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format used actually a variant but he
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really hates that entirely like you
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think that just shouldn't exist and no
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one should ever use it and he doesn't
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like the fact that normalize and he
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doesn't like the fact that this case
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insensitive so he's really got a lot of
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complaints about hfs+ go figure
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but because he liked the king of not
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invented here syndrome not invented here
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is just like he's totally he would i
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would imagine he would be in the camp
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for it's like why the process of doing
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anything to my finally why is it trying
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to do something stupid it should not be
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messing with my file name it should just
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do it should just be simple and then
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unix-like and sort of worse is better
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all of your system call fails just tried
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again you'll get an error code that
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tells you that you better check the area
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code just check it so simple i think
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that's you know it's a bag bites just
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put whatever but you want and you don't
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know what it means your own stupid fault
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now i'm doing my weird pretend my star
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walled voice but that would be my guess
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is that you have a voice but yeah
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philosophically he seems to be in the
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camp that things should be simpler and
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it's kind of a violation of the contract
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for the file system to take your
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filename and do something weird with it
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fair enough tell me about integrity
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checker this is the program I was trying
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to think of the already existing
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long-standing program that will wander
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you get your mac discs and
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write out a bunch check some files and
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then check that your files haven't
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changed its from digital Lloyd tools
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from Mac performance guide will put a
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link in the show notes i believe it's
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sprinkles a bunch of dicey files all
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over your disk a lot of these things
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that you check sums do something like
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this that they'll either want to modify
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your files by adding an extended at read
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although want to sprinkle a bunch of
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files all of your disk with check sums
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in them and there's advantages and
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disadvantages that the advantages that
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you can't lose like all your check sums
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at once like the checksums go along with
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the directory can move the directory to
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check something that goes along with it
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if one of the files gets corrupted you
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don't lose the all your check sums like
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it has advantages over a central
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database but the disadvantage of course
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is that you get a bunch of these little
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turkey file sprinkle over your hard
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drive so you'd be hesitant to point it
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just an arbitrary directory tree because
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you'd be like am I going to make some
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program angry or confused by putting a
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bunch of these files in the directory
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that they don't expect to be there but
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you can check it out it apparently uses
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sha-1 check sums and in my quest to
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remember this this to lots of other
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people sent in other tools saying is
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just one you're thinking of is when
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you're thinking of integrity checker was
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the one I was thinking about a few other
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there's a chick bit which is a a note of
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module that does something similar and
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apparently they ran out of vows so it's
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eh kbit will put a link to that in the
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show notes if you want to use a
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javascript to do you check something I
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hear your snark there
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yeah well it's not bad that is a bunch
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of tools around par to move based on the
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P archive format and party was just a
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second version of it and this is sort of
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a next step up where instead of just
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writing a check sums it will write out
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parody files to correct errors that
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defined so won't just write the check
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something know there's an error to
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essentially do sort of like the same
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thing that like a raid5 does not the
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same algorithm or more fancy algorithms
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for adding parody information so that if
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you do detect some corruption you can
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correct it and you just tell it what
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percentage of your disk space you want
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to dedicate the parity information so
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you could dedicate say five percent of
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the of your disk space like if you have
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a director as a hundred megs you can say
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okay I'm allowing you to use five
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megabytes just or parody information so
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that you can recover from one or two or
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three bit errors or whatever that you
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find in corruption so that's that's
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again it's like a user space version of
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the kind of protection rate might
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provide you or or something like CFS
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with a duplicate the data and duplicate
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the check sums and all that stuff now so
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if you hypothetically have ever found a
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file that's fallen off the back of a
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you might have seen parts use associated
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with that depending on which truck you
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happen to have found that file on the
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backup for falling off the backup well
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only only if you found it on the back of
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a really old truck he had a very very
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old truck it were talking like model
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Tiero even though those old trucks are
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still running and no one really knows
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about them and it's amazing but yeah
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it's a really old truck ahead it's true
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just talking about pirated files on
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usenet why would they use the use the
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original part of why would they use
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parody information are they trying to I
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know nothing of this John but if I did
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know just know something of this i
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believe its part to me and i believe the
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rationale is suppose you split up your
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file on a whole bunch of little ancient
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trucks you're missing one truck one
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truck didn't make it that you have like
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400 other trucks and you have like two
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part trucks and hearts can replace any
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of the missing other four hundred trucks
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yeah so then you can put back together
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you're really big truck you're trying to
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assemble so you can finally watch the
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new top gear america this is the best i
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alright what is that Tony gray have to
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say and hungry tweeted that he
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apparently is is in the process of
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trying to make ahfs check some utility
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as well so he was when he heard us
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talking about it is like so this is
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again I said it's not a new idea their
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existing applications that do it and
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they're even applications that have not
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given recent release to do it and of
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course all which makes me even less
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inclined even start this project but i
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can tell you that all these different
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tools that i looked at none of them does
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it exactly the way I want
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do it but it doesn't mean i'll ever
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actually find the time to make this
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program will see how is it possible that
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like I'm going to be a mac programmer
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before you are no i-i've good
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programming on the mac toolbox back in
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the day and made a silly little programs
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that did nothing so i think i'd be to do
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you're probably in what elementary
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school anyway yeah most likely
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you haven't seen ya the handle window
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dragging yourself when he didn't get it
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mark what do you want your winner to be
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draggable you better get the dragon vent
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talk about barbera otherwise you'd want
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your application will be a window on the
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screen you couldn't move it grab a towel
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bar and wouldn't rush Mac toolbox yay we
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ah alright kids we did not cover all of
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the Apple platform filesystem no stop
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saying platformers Apple file says them
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why is that why is that still alive
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because there's a pee in there it's at
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Paul a mac OS a nap pool file system
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Nicolas Cage come on you don't you don't
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get that don't pretend you get that
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anyway tell me about space sharing John
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while we talk about these last remaining
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a PFS topics you guys to think of some
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of us the show otherwise we're going to
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do how to handle email or screen time
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for kids we can talk about top here some
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more that just I think we did actually
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talk about these in a post deputies you
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think I thought about them a little bit
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more space sharing is the first one
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where I forget the terminology like a
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container for a PFS then you can put a
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bunch of different volumes in it but you
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don't have to partition it just make one
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big giant container and then you can
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make as many volumes as you want and
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every single volume seize the entire
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size of the container which seems weird
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but it's it's great so you don't have to
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do that you know in your experiment
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still think of how big should i make the
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multiple uses you
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just let them go at it and they will
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find their natural equilibrium or one of
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the mold grow too fast you'll be
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disappointed you wish you could
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partition it but I think you'll still be
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able to make multiple containers like
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space that was actually available like
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driver would just run out of space but
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how much space there really is because
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of the similar space sharing type thing
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that was a multi-disc situation but
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anyway I don't know how you show space
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sharing to the user you just show them
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terabyte drive with three volumes on it
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3 1 terabyte volumes and if you get info
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on each of those three volumes they also
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yep I'm am one terabyte volume and I
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have this much free I don't know you can
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show that in a sensible way but i'm glad
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the future exists because i like the
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idea of not having to think about it
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ahead of time and make fixed-size
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the thing people do anymore d the
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morning you have any of your disk
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partition or do you have more than one
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disk i do have more than one disk i
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they have the quota system but this is
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how this is how technologies time
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machine hosting module works where and I
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this before but I've done many different
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ways of time machine backup from direct
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attacks discs to a mac mini server
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running OS 10 server with Time Machine
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server on that to this analogy thing
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I've never used a time capsule but
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otherwise everything else I've done and
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the the synology system is by far the
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most reliable with time machine I've
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never had to like format the whole
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partition and start again because time
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machine kept thinking it was full look
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at that happened with literally every
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other method tried never happened with
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the synology one and what i have is but
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what seems like a pretty complex setup
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which is a single i believe a terabyte
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volume that is split between me and tiff
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and each of us connect to it with a
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different username and each user name
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has a 50-percent space quota on that
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and we both Phillip or become very close
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to filling it much of the time and it's
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fine like it has never aired out time
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machine always keep up-to-date so you
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know what I do this is a complete
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diversion but huge recommendation for
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using the time machine thing on
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technologies because it's amazing
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although one better i have the same i
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have not a single but i have a time
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machine volume and I think Sal channel
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if you have one time machine volume i
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think that's actually like a rate a raid
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set at this point because it's bigger
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than any one of my single discs and i
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have three or four different computers
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back after time machine and I'll do
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anything with quotas I just let them run
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interesting they just kind of fight it
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I don't know what they're doing all i
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know is it never bothers me the backup
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is complete successfully you can recover
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I I think they just you know when one of
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them sees that the thing is filling the
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trim they're all backups you know like
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it's as far as I'm concerned it's magic
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yes I don't do anything with the quotas
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it's a free-for-all it's just like
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whoever whichever time machine backup in
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the pit getting close to the end of the
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disk it says it's time for me to trim
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some all backups and it does that it's
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cooperative time machining nice yeah i
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would i would double down what you guys
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said as well i have to physical disks
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that are joined in whatever the raid is
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that is non redundant because it's 0
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yep and so so i have two discs joined
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raid0 yeah i do the quota thing that
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Marcos talking about i have yet to have
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an issue outside of a disk failure which
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is beyond serologies control but not
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it's worked really well for me
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well how did we get on this subject
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weirdo Johnny asked if we partition
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stuff i have not partitioned any mac of
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owned ever to the best of my
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recollection I've never done even boot
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camp which you would think i would have
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given my prior profession but I always
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just used the m's I used to aggressively
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partition my my actual physical windows
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machines in the past i remember since
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ever I would have liked my OS drive and
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then my like data drive and then
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applications drive thinking that if I
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ever wanted to put on a different OS
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like a new version windows whatever then
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all that other stuff could just remain
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where it was and in reality that has
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never been the case ever ever ever
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ever yeah i mean with Windows I would do
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the same thing because if your windows
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power user you you get into the habit of
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like just maybe once a year just
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reformat your system drive and put it
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all back and start start clean because
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with Windows you basically have to do
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that to have a welcoming system and once
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I moved to max I i think i've done that
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literally like since the time I started
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using Mac's in 2004 i think i started
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clean twice in an entire time
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yeah i think my first time since 08 was
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when I got the imac and then I was much
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more piecemeal about it rather than just
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transferring everything but let you know
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they doing that migration system style
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thing but anyway yeah so that was an
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extraordinarily long answer the question
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John asked which ones do you guys
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partition your drives and john i'm
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assuming use you you did so you do or
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you you're going to say you do I assume
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yeah I do I'm not my main drive but i
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have somebody drive to accept this
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they're all split up into little pieces
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mostly because the drives are so big
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it'd be a waste to dedicate think I'm
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not gonna dedicate one terabyte boot
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camp right so that drivers split up and
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other drives like I just divided into
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two pieces and it i I've never done a
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separate user directory a lot of people
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do that like they have their home
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directory and all their files on
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onedrive and then like basically a boot
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drive with the OS on it in their
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applications and I never quite
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understood that split and any time I
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ever try to spell like that back in the
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old days very tiny hard drives
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I always got it wrong like you try to
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guess how big everything is and give
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room for growth and if you guess wrong
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on the operating system is like you know
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system 7.5 point 5 comes out and it's a
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little bit bigger and you know just it's
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so easy to get that messed up so i i'm i
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think i will use something like this
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because i have things partition now and
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I realize if I ever got close to you
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know my space constraints i would have
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all this wasted space and you can resize
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partitions to some degree but it's not
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as flexible as you want so i think i
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will use spacefaring I won't be confused
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by the size stuff and I suppose other
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people normal people who would be
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computed just never partition anything
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so maybe it's a non-issue
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but speaking of time machine that's
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doesn't aps thing related that first of
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all you can use time machine with a BFS
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right now but that's obviously a
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temporary condition a PFS doesn't
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particular new features that make it
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easier for you to answer the question
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hey what's happened since the last time
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I ran a backup in a little bit like it's
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basically still going to have to use
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something like as events where any i/o
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that goes through the colonel is logged
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in some fashion and then you can find
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out what has changed since the last time
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you ran I and you probably the same API
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is put in a similar fashion so it
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doesn't have something like CFS is a
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give me the block tips since last time
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and even if it had that even though the
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super-efficient doesn't quite work with
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time machines you why because time you
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want to exclude things and if you do
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anything at the block level you don't
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you can't be excluding as easily as you
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know based on file path or whatever so
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AP US doesn't give any advantages time
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machine in terms of that kind of
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efficiency but it does give lots of
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advantages in terms of making a
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consistent backup we talked about this
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before and every researcher with
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snapshots where time machine can take a
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snapshot of the drive as exists in a
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certain state and then just slowly back
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up front from that snapshot so it won't
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have to worry about like time machine
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ran for three hours and it's the run
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started backing up backed up these files
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but these files at backup three hours
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later so you have this weird mixture of
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different time periods and then it's
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like painting the golden gate bridge or
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whatever you got to go back to the
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beginning and find any towels to change
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you're waiting for this period this sort
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of period of quiet when things have
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don't worry about that was not just take
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a snapshot backup from their destroy the
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snapshot when you're done that will be
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great and also for the purpose of this
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is the next thing for the purpose of
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making multiple backups where the files
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that haven't changed the same sort of
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the time machine models you can go to
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the finder and browse your backups and
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they all look like complete copies of
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your data but of course they're not
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storing the unchanged data multiple
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times using hard links so hard links to
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files and harlington directories but
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you're gross and weird
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you don't have to have those anymore
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because of the the copyright stuff that
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a PFS has and you can do clones where
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you can clone an entire directory and so
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this entire directory tree make a copy
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of it but not really like it you can do
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it like basically in constant time
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you're not actually copying everything
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you just saying now there are two of
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these and they are independent copies if
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you would go into the copy and modify a
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file you're not modifying the file in
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both places like you would
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with a hard link or something it's
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copy-on-write so as soon as you modify
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one of the change files then they start
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to diverge but the actual copy operation
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is just a clone operation it'sit's very
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very fast one of the demos they did in
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the wwc session something that some
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people paranoid because they're like
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well frequently when I'm working on
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something i'll go to the finder and like
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duplicate it and like put the other one
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off to the side like poor man's version
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control you ever do that where you just
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make a copy of a folder just in case and
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put to the side all the time and it's
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like well but but sometimes i do that
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like what if one of the things gets
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corrupted this is a bad sector on disk
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well if my clone is an actual clone the
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bad sector and disc is going to blow
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away both of them are you know corrupt
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both of them because they're they share
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the same storage under the covers well
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if US doesn't dictate that every single
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there'll be two different API is I'm not
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sure which one the finder will use i'm
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assuming you will use the fast one
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but even the finer doesn't offer this
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feature there will be a way I'm sure
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from the command line but if not you
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write a program to be no dude like a
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regular copy where you just copied don't
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do the clone thing so that's another you
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I nuance that Apple have to decide how
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to navigate in the users we got to take
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advantage of and honestly I think it I
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think it's good that both feature
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sometimes i do want to make a clone of
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this gigantic directory tree for free in
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constant time and other times i want to
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say no actually copy every single one of
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this piece of data to a new play some
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disc because that's what i want and i
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look forward to hopefully it's like a
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modifier key you can hold down or
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something I look forward the that being
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exposed in the finder but I'm resigned
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to the fact that probably end up having
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to do it from the command line and the
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other fun thing about clones this is
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sort of travel purposes again this whole
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this whole file systems problems
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purposes is that it can be atomic Apple
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has a lot of things in the system
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including some file formats
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quote-unquote file formats that are
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actually directories full of files like
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dot RTF d is actually a directory full
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of a bunch of other things and in a
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simple application like USA teach text
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geez what the hell's a call text edit
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yeah i'm not going to text that it can
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make our tfd quorum court files which
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are really directory trees and when you
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save it's trying to do like a safe save
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if the the plug gets pulled in the
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middle of your save operation you either
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have the new version of the file the old
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version you don't have like half and
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half so the atomic save operation now
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will do like this is also in the the WV
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session if i recall correctly it will
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like write the new version of the file
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to a new location rename the old one-two
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a weird name and rename the new
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directory on top of the old one but
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there's still a period in which things
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are inconsistent when you rename the old
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one-two to a new name but you haven't
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yet renamed the new one on top of it now
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you have two files neither which is
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named like the old one and they might
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both be hidden because you don't want
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people to see this weird stuff going on
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so it's not great a PFS you can do an
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atomic loan and so you can sort of her
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in one operation one atomic operation to
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completely do it completely not do it
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period of time you can even see the
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finder sometimes because the finders now
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you'd see these weird temporary files
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the other one and with cloning hopefully
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that will go so fast that you don't see
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yeah my favorite is since I've been
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doing a lot of switch development lately
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I just like Marco I've had a playground
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on my desktop and every time that the
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playground goes to save itself or if I
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save it it'll flash from the playground
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icon to the jit the gym generic folder
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icon and then back to the playground
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icon once finder catches up and realizes
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it's one of those like bundles is
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actually remember my future came to the
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fire like having having an efficient way
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to sort of tell the colonel hey I'm
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interested if anything happens to anyone
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of these files of anything changes one
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of these files I don't care what process
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it is analysis then let me know so i
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have to pull like the old model was like
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if you had a finder window open other
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applications were changing its like the
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Finder window periodically and it was
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pulling you would never catch changes
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that fast but because it's using KQ or
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FS events or some other system that is
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you know that's not pulling that the
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colonel will notify the finder
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it's fast enough to catch almost any
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changes that might still catch the clone
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but hopefully it will only like flash
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briefly and you'll see the old file and
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then blink in the new file and never
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will you see the the weird
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I've rename this to not be an RTF d
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anymore or not it not be a playground
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anymore or whatever i guess the final
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item of snapshots we talked about
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I wonder if there'll be any UI to that
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probably not because it's more like a
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programmatic thing time machine will be
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will be creating the leading snapshots
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behind the scenes but you don't need to
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see that programs like SuperDuper might
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create snapshots to to backup from but
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you don't need to see that either it'll
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probably do it through an API there will
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be a command line i'm sure i can't
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envision any particular reason for their
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to ever be a GUI for doing snapshot so I
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guess another third-party opportunity
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because it's a straightforward API you
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can make a cool third-party thing that
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lets you view and create and destroy
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snapshots I'm not making that up another
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idea for people who want to make an
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application that three people will buy
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you know John there's a lot of app ideas
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that I'm like you know I would love for
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this app to exist and you look around
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and just doesn't exist and at some point
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you got you know you're a programmer
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some point you gotta be like you know
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what i find i'm gonna make it
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well I i imagine someone will make
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that's not something like that you ever
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see like backup loop or the time machine
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browsing things let you like look at
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your time machine backup set or like
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their fancy interfaces to the TAMU tail
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command line there's lots of google apps
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like that i'm sure someone will make one
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just because if an app like this is easy
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to make all you're doing is making it
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more convenient to do stuff that you
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could do from the command line someone
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will make it so I feel like just by
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talking about it will it will come into
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yeah but you know what else though even
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if somebody makes it they're not going
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to make it your way
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truth that's true so you have to do it
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John it's obvious
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I'll say I I don't understand why when I
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would do any of these things like it's
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not like I have a lot of a time that's a
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knock your pipe with other stuff that i
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would rather be doing Brian ash the
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chapters made an excellent point he said
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that underscores listening and he just
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completed it which is probably accurate
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but he made the iOS version sauce
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good for me fair enough
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all right are we done with a PFS is that
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it yeah i think so like this we just do
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things we already talked about the WTC
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thing I don't think there's anything new
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we didn't have many questions from
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listeners about itself although i did no
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one has yet called me on the the
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mistakes i made about a ascii 7-bit
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ascii versus a bit ascii and utf-8 but i
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guess no one cares that's why I know I
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made the mistakes people who no no I
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made the mistakes is it really not
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mistakes just their errors of omission
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because doesn't make any sense I kept
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saying to 55 but obviously if you're
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going to use all 255 combinations of a
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bits you have no way to implement utf-8
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and that's obviously not how it works
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so anyway we're sponsor this week by
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razors and blades and you look at this
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stuff and it's great they recently sent
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me one of their newest kits like they
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say seasonally update their designs and
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stuff sometimes I like a special and
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they sent me some of their new stuff and
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this just this stuff to keep getting
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better and better at the handle is I got
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that that orange i believe the Truman
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set that the orange big on channel one
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and its like before at the silver one
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and they're both so nice like it's
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almost like actually seasonal cycle my
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razor handle these things are so nice
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they're classy looking they're nice and
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it's almost like a like a modern take on
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like madmen kind of aesthetic almost
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like mid-century but updated modern look
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for this stuff and this is such sharp
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such stark contrast to what you usually
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see in shaving equipment design from the
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big brands which is why I often describe
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it as like android commercial design or
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like weird like transformers but Harry's
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is not like that hair is nice and classy
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and the hairies blades are such good
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values i have not found a better value
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in the shaving world than the hairies
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blade so these are german-engineered
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five blade cartridges now you've seen
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five blade cartridges from other big
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brands Harry's is about half the price
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or less of these leading brands the
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starter set is an amazing
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so check it out today go to Harry's
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code ATP for five dollars off your first
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check it out today harrods.com promo
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code 84 five dollars off thanks a lot i
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have some important follow-up actually
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that surprise follow-up that you missed
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that part of the show but go ahead i
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have follow-up on hdmi-cec your favorite
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oh god oh I your hdmi-cec unicorn are no
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longer ever since i got the new Apple TV
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so what was that october november
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whatever whenever that was my TV is very
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it's like a two thousand six ish
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panasonic plasma the appletv was not
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able to do anything else to it except
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any input given the opportunity remote
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it would automatically switch the input
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over to the apple TV so it was able to
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like steal the input the video input
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from the TV so which is really fun like
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if it's like playing a game on the
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playstation and then you like brush the
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remote and all of us on the inputs which
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is that was fun yet but so that and it
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couldn't turn the TV on but it could
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turn the TV off which was really nice
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every night you know we're not watching
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TV hold down the home button for a few
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seconds you put you hit sleep and both
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it's awesome and that worked flawlessly
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and now it just doesn't and it's so much
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worse and I've tried power cycling
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everything I have no idea what to do
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like nothing changed
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it's exactly like what you said it was
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like you know it'll work and i'll just
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stop working and you have no idea why
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and nothing fixes it like it just
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stopped and uh it's so frustrating now
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now like once you have that convenience
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to have to then go back and now I have
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to turn my TV off separately which means
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after like have the road out and
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everything it's uh
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this is like the worst like first world
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problem ever but I just wanted you to
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know John that hdmi-cec that your your
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your prediction came true that it never
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it never works all the time for
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everybody and if it does just wait
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well the good news is it'll start
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working again eventually to experience
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one day because like who knows what
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it'll be like you're disconnected or
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you'll reconnect something else or just
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it'll start working again I and back
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when we were discussing this I did hear
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from a lot of people like CC works fine
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to me sometimes I would hear from them
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again a couple months later go it
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stopped working exactly but not always i
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bet i like I just like their tactic
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Wizards their RCC unicorns who just have
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never had a problem and so like you know
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if they their luck continues it's
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possible to live a life force easy
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always works it just seems highly
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unlikely to me I've never met one of
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those people i'm sure they exist summer
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I mean someone's a lottery to write
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serious ? Oh have you gone into the
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settings to see because I could swear
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that in settings that has an option
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whether or not to UCC of course it's not
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labeled that way but it's like turn off
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the TV power when this when the appletv
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power turns off or something like that
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and not to say that you changed it but
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maybe like a software update flip that
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on you or something like that and maybe
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that's what did it you can you just
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check to make sure it's plugged in not
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to say that you unplugged it just maybe
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take out the plug
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sometimes sometimes as dust in the plug
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yeah he just wanted yeah just blow on
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the plug yeah the worst here here i have
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tried to help you and that's what I get
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fine i actually haven't checked the set
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there for the power thing though isn't
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there I are still in the remote
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yes yes so you can't you just do you use
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that for the power like take CC out of
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the equation just use the IR for the
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power for your TV I don't think there's
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a way to tell the apple TV like send the
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IR thing now I think it only works for
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volume control that's a little too but
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did might be worth looking into
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I know Joe steel loves his apple TV can
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ask him about it i mean honestly like
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I'm i'm very happy with the apple TV in
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most other ways like yeah the remote
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stupid but you know they're like the the
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software environment
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yes there are many flaws however having
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used the other TV boxes that are
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competing with this and you know even
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compared to the old Apple
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TV ice this is still the one I prefer
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and i still use it for you know very
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very heavy use everyday and it's
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unfortunate that it is not perfect of
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course but nothing ever is that it can't
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be complained about trying to try
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yeah also my world i mean you don't know
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if you remember you see my table with a
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thousand motabhai sec is against my
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I did not have it everywhere and i also
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have a thousand remotes and I don't have
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universal remote but here's the thing
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about thousand marks and never told work
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and I use the correct remote to do all
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the things they always work and there
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never any word interactions and the
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boxes don't know each other exists and
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that's the way it should be
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I didn't able it at 1.4 like my entire
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setup my setup is way too complicated
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for like I could barely get to work
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momentarily and like this is this
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untenable and I would see it break like
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within minutes because of me not turning
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things on the right or so i'm really
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turned it off everywhere with the shame
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because they're a couple of features
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features that i would like but i get x
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pretty well with all my remotes knowing
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how to do I our stuff so i can do volume
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up and down the TV and power on the TV
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from a bunch of different remotes but I
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are learning is fairly stable technology
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not like the sea stuff
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yeah and I'm also a guy i think i'm on
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your side in regards to the what appears
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to be your position on universal remotes
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I we we have a logitech harmony
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something or other and you know it when
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we when we bought it a few years ago to
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try to combat this this issue and i just
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had never we've never found a universal
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remote that is what that is actually
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like worth it's actually a net Dean you
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know like it's almost like like the xkcd
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comic of like you know all these
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standards are a mess
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what we need is a new standard like
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that's kind of what like it's like all I
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have too many remotes what I need is
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another remote and then you just have
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more remotes like and it and you can
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actually get rid of all the remotes
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because you still need them sometimes to
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do certain things and sometimes the
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universal remote like gets like one
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synced with the state of the things and
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so it thinks things are in a certain
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state that they're not in and it's just
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such a pain and then my mom I remote has
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firmware that needs to be updated it
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needs to be on my Wi-Fi network and then
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it's just like it
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mr. Payne it's it's such a pain I
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couldn't agree with that more we had a
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very old harmony or equivalent I don't
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know 34 years ago now and I didn't
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understand how it could possibly work
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million remotes I know what all them do
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shows at which time depending on my mood
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surrounding coding or is this thing
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dolby digital thing and don't want it
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box and one interface and all my stuff
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case and so since things are in a
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remotes in a million things to just
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to turn on CC everywhere then maybe
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repair see screwed up in this but who
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devices that are I are only ends you
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have that like ir blaster is another
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crack like that so you just like it for
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the ceremony it's a terribly inferior
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standard but you just like it's not it's
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not about ceremony so just like it's
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there's no ceremony to micro managing
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the climate control the cars just like
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well I know how I want the fan speed and
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I know what I want the temperature set
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to and I know if I want the coming out
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the top 10 to the bottom answer both of
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defroster I know all those things so i
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I am so happy that I don't stress about
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those sorts of things you know what I do
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wishes tips car had and then i set a
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temperature and then I don't friggin
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think about it anymore
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climate control hey you okay see if you
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manage it yourself then it would just it
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absolutely no kind of vinyl whatsoever
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quality depending on what remotes I used
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to understand this is the violin algae
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go get thrown out the window you can't
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listening in fact i listen to it Tiffany
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email we talk about parenting what do
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you--what pick your poison
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responses from people saying please talk
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screen time for kids that's right yeah
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very very old piece of followed by and I
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bottom of the barrel for this I think
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kids are in college
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destiny with his kid marco post pictures
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topic of quote-unquote screen time is a
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controversial one in my household how do
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you determine what is an appropriate
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amount my wife has her opinions and I
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people have the parenting idea so it's a
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tiny minority of parents that are all
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high and mighty about was having kids is
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the best thing to teach you that you
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don't know the first thing about having
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kids but what happens after the as for
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the framing of this topic like it I i
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accept the premise but the premise
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itself it contains some opinionated
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information which is that screen time in
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quotes which is a phrase I think we've
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all heard from either from ourselves
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saying that other parents and stuff that
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there is the category of activities that
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your kid can do that involves them
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looking at a screen which is basically
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sonic thing that shows moving images on
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it that that is a valid categorization
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like we don't talk about yellow sock
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time how much time you let your kids
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wear yellow socks how much time to let
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me touch the floor floor time like its
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screen time specifically and encoded in
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that is sort of a an unquestioning
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demonization to some degree of
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technology in that like why is reading a
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book not screen time if you read a book
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on an iPad does it become screen time
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screens themselves like again I don't
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think this is it's not it's not like a
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heavy message but in in this in this
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word and this phrase in this entire
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concept in this question that comes up
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my kids are reading a book it's a
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wonderful feel great about it but if
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they're reading that same exact book on
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their iPad screen suddenly they're
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writing their brains and they're just
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gonna become little zombies in there
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staring at screens all the time
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same activity but one has a screen one
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doesn't so at least for me I don't
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categorize activities based on the piece
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categorizes like what is the activity
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video with this fiction and nonfiction
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YouTube but it's really just shorthand
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YouTube and mostly not watching like
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cereal TV show style things on youtube
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definition but reading books watching
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movies many things happen in front of
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screens writing my daughter writes a lot
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section and writes down lists and stuff
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that's also in front of a screen i
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categorize that entirely differently
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than her watching you know ever after
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high or whatever so that's that's my
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screen time and how you guys do that a
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phrase that is used ever in your house
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or is that how you think about things at
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old and so he's not even two years we
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avoided show well he had no interest in
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the TV for a long time and once he
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awake and around that still mostly the
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case we have started or Aaron because
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i'm at work at the time it has started
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showing him sesame street every day
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which he very very much enjoys and then
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we have my old iPad Mini that we have
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put a bunch of daniel tiger and sesame
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street episodes on and we'll use that
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only in desperation scenarios typically
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only when we're in the car because he
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other than that we he's very rarely
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looking at a television screen or an
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iPad and i'm not saying that that's
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right but it feels for us like we should
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probably avoid it at least for now but
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again it's a little weird because he's
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only 20 months I mean he doesn't ease
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into it like Adam more like your kids
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would be I mean for us you know adam is
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in my kid is as for and he you know
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we've we've had we don't really draw the
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distinction we don't we don't use the
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term screen time or any any other a
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replacement term for that concept and
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yeah i think it's you know like so many
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things in parenting it depends on your
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kid in our case we never like
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specifically glorified think the screens
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or maid the maid forbidden thing or
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thing that was that was saved for like
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only special occasions
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you know it's like one toy with many in
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the house and Adam could choose to play
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with the ipad or can watch TV for a
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while or he can do other things and we
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haven't really had to set limits because
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the kind of kid he is at least so far he
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treats it like any other toy so I kill
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will be happy to play with the ipad for
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like you know maybe 20 minutes half hour
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and then want to do something else and i
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think that's that's kind of a healthy
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attitude for it because I mean our
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philosophy on this you know if it ever
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came to having to put in any kind of
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limits in 22 min healthy balances our
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philosophy is this is a world full of
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screens that we live in
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it's only getting more in that direction
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as we move forward you know
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time so Adam is growing up in a world
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full of screens to try to like keep him
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from that or limit that artificially in
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a way that would like you know make it
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sorts or like only a special treat
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doesn't really seem like that fits into
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the road we actually live in today you
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know I I get the idea of why people want
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to limit that and the end the and what
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people want their kids to do instead I
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guess be social or go outside whatever
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but I think if you're if you already
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have a reasonable balance and of of
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activities for your kid having having
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screens and things for screens be a part
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of that i don't i don't see it as any
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different from any other toys that he
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has so as kids get older like you said
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it really depends on your kid you the
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kids will start picking up more of their
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own interests like this especially young
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ages you can basically control
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everything we do you control the toys
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they play with because you buy the toys
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you can you can even control by not
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bringing them down the toilet you don't
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want them to see the toys that you're
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not going to buy them like when they're
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very young you you have a lot of control
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and so you can sort of provide the
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balance silly by-product providing a
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balance of things that you all approve
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of course kids get older starting minds
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of their own and depending on your kid
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they have different you know different
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preferences and they will gravitate
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towards something and then no matter
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what they gravitate towards maintaining
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what you think is a healthy balance may
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require some intervention but again i'd
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say that doesn't specifically apply to
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screen so for example if your kid starts
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getting older and becomes really into
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books and all they want to do all the
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time is go up to the room and read
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you're like oh I would be overjoyed if
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my kid read all the time but at a
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certain point they need to learn how to
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deal with other people and be social
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that's part of growing up too so you
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would may find yourself limiting book
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time because did you need your kid to
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socialize with other kids to learn how
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to deal with other people like you're
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trying to find the right balance for
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your kid which the balances in the same
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for everybody but most people would say
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like learning to deal with other people
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is part of growing up and you can't
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avoid it even if you're really really
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into whatever is your interest in making
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models are reading books are all these
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activities people think like a healthy
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well that's a good thing to do like
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that's that's why i hate the screen the
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categorization of screens like they're
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certain activities are accepted by most
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parents as on a continuum of evil right
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so reading is one of the best you can do
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making models kind of in the middle
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making models that have electronics
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maybe getting a little worse
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anything that involves a television bad
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anything that involves computers could
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be good probably also bad video games
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universally bad right and that that that
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sort of a continuum that we all sort of
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agreed upon before we begin talking
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I totally disagree with most of the
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reasons Marco said like we live in a
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world the screens we live in a world
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television we live in a world with
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recorded music like oh don't listen to
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those direct recorded music it's live
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music or nothing you'll rot your brain
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like as not the novel was condemned as
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something that will be the debt would be
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the downfall of humanity when it was
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introduced to sew through the lens of
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history it's obviously ridiculous to
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think about things that way but all of
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those mediums have things that that can
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provide your kid with something so if
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your kid is only reading is hard for me
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to find like it if they're only reading
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the same kind of simple story over and
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over again they're not really growing as
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a reader right if they're only watching
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the same kind of television show over
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and over again they're not really
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growing as a viewer of you know of
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moving pictures or whatever like and if
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they're only playing the same computer
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game over and over again they're not
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expanding outwards into that like that
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every medium and every form of input an
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activity has like your kids should be
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crawling up that ladder and becoming
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more sophisticated and learning and
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growing in all the activities that they
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do and if they're not thats you know
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something has to be aware but there's
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nothing inherent I believe in any of the
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specific activities makes them better or
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worse like I would rather my kids watch
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a YouTube video like a science youtube
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video then like read a silly book about
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fairies and rainbows that is two years
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below their grade level that they read
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50 times before like one of those uses
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screen and one of them is a book and
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suppose like the perfect thing we want
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our children to do but then you can't
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you can view them that way
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can slap them in by the by the media so
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that's definitely how I look at things
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and and I but I'm really for my kids
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mostly looking at what they are drawn to
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and figuring out what I have to put
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limits on based on what if I didn't put
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limits they would just do obsessively
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and it's not always watching television
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show or play video game it could be any
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activity they do obsessively one of my
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kids always wants to go and hang out
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with friends and my son mostly will stay
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inside and not see anybody so we're
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trying to push one out of the house all
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the time and the other one trying to get
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the calm down a lot so everything is
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yeah I don't know what we're going to do
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in the future I think it's funny because
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i was very resentful of my parents or or
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extended family putting limits on our
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screen time like I think mark and I have
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talked about although maybe it never
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made it in the show when we were kids we
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want when we hung out so we are 108 1012
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something like that yeah we would meet
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up and we would hang out and then my
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grandmother would inevitably or here or
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marcos momentarily tell us okay you've
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you've played enough on the computer
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it's time to go outside now
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yeah and I remember being really really
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resentful of that because i was happy we
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were having a great time and we were in
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some cases doing things that you could
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argue were productive like I vividly
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remember spending hours on the world's
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crappiest choose-your-own-adventure
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visual basic one-point game in in it
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wasn't always transport tycoon although
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damned if we didn't play like it's
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perfect but yeah that might have been
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more than half it nevertheless I've
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never i remember being so resentful of
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the of the get outside stick but here I
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am now apparent and i feel like i'm
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reverting into that same mindset of oh
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you probably shouldn't be playing on the
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ipad constantly which again he doesn't
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because he's so young but I could see it
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you probably shouldn't be on the ipad
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constantly should probably go outside in
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you I feel like it now is the time to
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instill within him that he needs to be a
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well-rounded person but I agree
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completely with what both of you said
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that the reality of the situation is
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being well-rounded in today's society is
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being comfortable in front of a screen
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so i don't know what the right answer is
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obviously and i'll have to kind of fake
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it til we make it
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well I guess you never really making
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parenting but you know what i mean and
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we'll see how it shakes out fake until
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they go to college
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yeah right it will see how it shakes out
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as he gets older and perhaps starts
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requesting these things but it's nice
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because like John it said we have that
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control now where he doesn't ever really
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see the ipad and so it's not it
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he won't know where ask for it unless we
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say to him do you want to watch Daniel
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Tiger do you want to watch Sesame Street
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or what have you
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I think it's also worth pointing out
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that you know we we as parents like it's
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the kids can look and see what we do and
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it it would be awfully hypocritical of
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us to say you know you need to limit
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your screen time while we sit there
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using screens for way more time during
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the day than that and like they know
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that they can see that like they're not
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gonna respect the rule or the parents
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making that rule if the parents
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themselves are blatantly violating it
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yep I'm guilty of that well like I said
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you looking at the screen doesn't mean
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you're doing the same thing like I think
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my kids do differentiated roughly like
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they know what I'm working you know
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sometimes i'm working on my is I can
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tell the difference between between me
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working versus me reading Twitter resume
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watching youtube video which I might
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invite them to join to like oh it's it's
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the specific activity that's the issue
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Casey mentioned in terms of like then
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becoming competent with screens and for
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the most part I don't think that's
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something we need to put an effort into
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it because it's it will be very unless
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your kid like it really doesn't like
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them at all and then you might want to
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make sure they have some minimum
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confidence but i don't think there's any
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effort we need to make this was going to
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this day they can't help but be
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competent exist around by then because
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we have a million of these devices at
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home and then they'll see them at school
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and so that's gonna take care of itself
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but really what I'm thinking of is what
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are they doing like the fact that the
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screen doesn't doesn't is not a factor
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as far as I'm concerned because i don't
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think there's magic radiation writing
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their brains coming out of like back
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it's what are they actually doing are
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they learning something are they reading
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wikipedia pages are they if they're
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watching some kind of video is
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is it a television show that I approve
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of in terms of you know is it
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constructive in some way are they
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playing a game that is teaching them
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something instead of you know just being
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is you know is it age-appropriate a lot
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of you know is it should you be watching
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this television show this movie this
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youtube video whatever what are you
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getting out of this
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are you watching the same kind of thing
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over and over again are you playing the
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same kind of game over and over and of
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course as you'll see this is your kids
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get older I imagine this will not be a
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thing that goes away but anyone who has
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kids and double-digit ages knows that
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the thing of like multiple screens
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they're not my son is forever has his
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ipad playing youtube videos you know in
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a loop based on a loop like it with on
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autopilot like he doesn't pick the
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videos you just accept whatever plays
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next is the amazing power the YouTube
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has over our children listening to that
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on headphones while playing a video game
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on the television or on unlike the
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PlayStation on the monitor like so he's
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hearing audio from a youtube video while
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playing a video game and then I guess
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occasionally glancing down at that thing
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and his phone is also on the desk and so
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is getting texts from friends at the
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same time that you haven't
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how do you even parts that but that's
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the thing that people
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the thing that people
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all the time could do all the time these
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days so now you have to look at like the
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three things that they're doing is he
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communicating well with his friends
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what are the youtube videos that are
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playing are the youtube videos related
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to the game that he's playing he's
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trying to learn strategies and then
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implement them like for people who
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demonize video games that they may be
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like oh that's double bad that he's
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playing a stupid video game which I
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don't like and he's watching a video
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about how to play the video game what an
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incredible waste of time but essentially
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what he's doing is like skills that
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coming you know and not just for
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schoolwork but for regular work like
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where you have to learn how to do
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something sort of on the job while
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you're doing it and you want to be able
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to do the thing that you're doing better
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and so you're essentially doing research
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to 15 minutes it's very similar to
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programming and then just like going to
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the website looking at the documentation
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and having the code another window and
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having the web browser open over there
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like we all do that all the time
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this is the video game thing is the
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equivalent of that and I mean it really
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helps your game when you understand that
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these things aren't just all mine list
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that they're actually fairly complicated
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and you know i mean you know from
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transport tycoon like you learned things
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about it you don't have the internet
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probably in those days where you could
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look up awesome strategies for
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transporting texting and stuff but
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they're surprisingly deep in the skills
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you learn of able to like juggle
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strategies and write things down with a
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pencil paper and use them to excel this
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thing you're doing which is integrated
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kind of pointless but that's exactly
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what play is like it's supposed to be a
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sort of a trial run in a safe
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environment of skills that will come in
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handy later in life and more important
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situations or you become game developer
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and they transfer exactly so
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and you know I i would argue like school
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like most of what you do in school is
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pointless but the reason you do it is
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that it's it's an educational exercise
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to develop your brain in certain ways
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and games are often that same thing and
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even like things like television shows
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and movies like a lot of what i want my
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kids to learn when they watch media that
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I hopefully is constructed in some way
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is you see interpersonal relationships
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like you you have a certain amount of
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interpersonal relations that you get to
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try out when you go to school in your
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hair with your friends but you also
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learn from the media that you see how do
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people relate to each other
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what are the various anti-patterns how
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they relate how will i be treated if I
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act like this a lot of fiction sort of
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plays out those things especially kids
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fiction where the show
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yourself but to see pretend people try
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get the wrong kind of idea about the way
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picking things on their own you have to
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that you have no idea what it is they're
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they you know the same way they want you
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perhaps more than I learned from you
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parenting away like let me tell you why
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should be nice to your sister or
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whatever but when you bring all this up
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me an article she had found and we'll
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put in the show notes and the titles
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research shows preschoolers to watch
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daniel tiger's neighborhood develop
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social and emotional skills and this is
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a study by texas tech university
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watched ten episodes of either daniel
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Tiger exhibited higher levels of empty
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oneself in social situations and the
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ability to recognize emotions from a bar
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better ability to recognize those
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emotions then the kids who watch the
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watching the show their regular TV
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watching experience has to be company
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conversations about the media content
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interesting it was yeah the show may not
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be a complete disaster in and of itself
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but for to really sink in and hit home
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it's up to Aaron and I to pay attention
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the 20 month old about what he just saw
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taken a heart and although he hasn't
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seen Daniel tiger in the couple of days
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the future and have something we're
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parenting institution of reading an
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article and then deciding this is how we
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article says it's a fair credit no it's
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a fair criticism but that's not a
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criticism we all do it like that because
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the end we all do it because we're all
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looking for well you know where we're
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looking for help right it's like someone
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have some ideas that i haven't tried
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i'll try those like we did exactly the
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same same things about all the studies
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about how you shouldn't show your kid
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any sort of video very early in life
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the most part but like when your kid is
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changing from a little squishy larvae
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into like that does nothing and just
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pooped his pants all the time and you
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can barely hold its head up like that
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you they have to learn how to interact
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with the world and if kids very very
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young can be distracted by moving images
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learning like where's the floor where
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this is sealing what are these things
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poking out of my body and how do I
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control them right and so that's why i
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behind don't show very very young kids
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television or movies or other things
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that are irresistibly attractive and yet
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don't teach them anything about how to
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exist in the world because you're
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distracting them from important
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developmental milestones but once kids
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learning to be more information and
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kids doesn't have to be after school
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which characters were similar ages and
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facing similar challenges i gotta know
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everyone hates Caillou but i would
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always be like remember that episode
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work I you found his shoes and tied them
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himself like you would reference things
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that I know he's seen on TV to give him
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a framework and like he would have two
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great as the first child and you know
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the grudgingly admit that yes I suppose
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it is it is reasonable for a child my
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depending on your kid maybe like this is
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an injustice I could never put on my own
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socks this is not a thing that happens
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my entire life you've been putting on my
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socks I was like do you want me to put
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that's ridiculous things I want Caillou
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it's kristen Caillou as real as anything
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else in the world right to discuss like
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a discussing what you seen but
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referencing what you know they've seen
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it in a way that's like it's like shared
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culture with your child in our stories
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like in this book when that happened
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that we can apply the steer like not
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totally right dad but at least you know
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in and you have thoughts on screen time
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it's really important and I think it's
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worth saying that like like so many
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decide to do that in the grand scheme of
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things I don't think that makes like I
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don't think that's that's harmful like
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oh you know we we limit our kids to one
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hour screen time a day in the grand
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scheme of things
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that's probably fine like it everyone
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hang-up about everyone thinks the
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correct balance is a different balance
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whatever but bottom line is in the world
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we live in unless you are Amish and live
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away from everyone else and don't have
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electricity there's nothing you can do
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to stop your kids from learning to that
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learning to use screens wanting to use
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screens are going to be forced to use
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the most schools even public schools
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have integration with Google Docs and
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stuff they're going to use computers
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they're going to use smartphones they're
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going to want a smartphone they're going
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to get a smartphone eventually when
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it's like there's nothing you can do to
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stop them from it's like trying to stop
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your kid from learning how the wheel
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works like you can't do it like it's
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going to happen so I don't much mind
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people who have particular policies
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about how long any activity should be
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doing how long should we spend on
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homework every night no screens after
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your bedroom one hour using screen time
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demonize there to make it the forbidden
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fruit or like it all really depends on
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your kid like my parents never let us
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soda from you when you become an adult
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mountain just breaks out all day
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you sure you don't have like 37 or so
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the samoas were gone because those i do
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cookies like so of course it will be
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delicious like people obsess over
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probably thin mints followed by samoas
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nobody ever buys or like swishes
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shortbread cookies which are trefoils
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just manufactured cookies that I and my
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do I want to spend my calories on this
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cookie or do I want to spend it on the
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most expensive ice cream i can possibly
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by the ice cream was it was it was
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incredible waste for facebook gelato
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things in the hard plastic containers
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who came up who came up with that idea I
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those terrible because they cost like
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find some reason to use in the house but
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I don't put those in the dishwasher
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yeah learn that he isn't guess maybe I'm
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not maybe the kids will suffocate on
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those like you put kids toys & them or
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something or that the jar itself could
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be a kid's toy but kids can really
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suffocated on not be any we have we have
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a few of them around the house like that
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we've washed out and just like used for
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containers but the problem is it's kind
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of like you know those like when you
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order thai food and you get like 45
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those black circular containers with the
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quick like the translucent white lids
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you know we for a while we would watch
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those out and save them and reuse them
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yeah but the problem is like the rate at
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which we would order thai food
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dramatically outpaced the rate at which
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we could find user reviews and we have a
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similar problem with utility gelato
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containers we probably empty you roughly
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one or two of those a week so there's
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basically no way we can find another use
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for them around the house III said I
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seriously I seriously don't buy that
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because of the container like that
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there's literally stopping me from
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buying that product more right that and
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a couple of their their flavors so I
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feel I could be improved but that but I
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i go to the store and I'm like I'm kind
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of in the mood for that but I don't want
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that container is it just feels wasteful
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it's like speaking of buying take out
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like when i get food from one of the
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local Chinese would take out places and
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I really give you like a giant styrofoam
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container from the eighties Miami least
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18 but it's just like a big white giant
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thing of styrofoam this is not good for
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the environment there maybe it's better
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if I may be so made from like cornstarch
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and stuff and it's not like the Bad star
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from former your kids but it just feels
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wasteful like yeah i know that's if the
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people from delhi india are listening
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make more environmentally friendly
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containers and you'll sell more of your
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incredibly overpriced ice cream to me
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wait what is the name of this light
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screen its twenty how do you spell that
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tal enti ok so I'm actually like making
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an environmental statement by buying ben
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jerry's most of the time for myself
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because tiff is a tip is mostly tool NT
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i'm mostly ben jerry's you would you
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would the Avengers has the docks and
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sent bench you know the problem is like
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I i am happy to try other ice creams but
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ben & jerry's is it i just always go
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back to that like it is just so much
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better tasting to me than almost
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everything else and not just any like
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one particular flavor like just like
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their base ice cream is better tasting
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the most of them know that whatever
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chemical they're putting in this is as
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addicting you a guy I am I i do not i'm
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not don't have a particular brand mildly
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but I think haagen-dazs probably I think
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I'm probably more into haagen-dazs the
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most people at specific flavors but hard
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as I feel like if you that who has the
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best of analogy just have plain vanilla
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I think has the best vanilla yeah I go
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with you on that and so so else almond
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which is basically organized
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Noah with a little chocolate covered
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almonds is one of my favorite things
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ever but Ben & Jerry's new york super
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fudge chunk talking about has no flavor
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that competes with that so I'm equal
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opportunity overpriced ice cream eater
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so I have a controversial opinion about
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this and I'm surprised dryers dryers
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slow churned low-fat vanilla ice cream
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is the best Manolo found and i should
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say that was a Bluebell I think it's
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blue bell ice cream recently arrived in
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Virginia which I think started somewhere
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south of here and it was one of those
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things like 12 cheerwine which doesn't
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mean anything to you but to a
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chick-fil-a is a better example so only
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in South crawling northwards and every
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or sonic is another great example and
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everyone I knew had like known someone
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that that had had Bluebell and swore
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that it was the best ice cream in the
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entire world and I've had a few flavors
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of Bluebell I screen and I actually
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don't find it to be particularly tasty
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the dryer slow turn vanilla as stupid as
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that sounds I mean hey I loved I coke so
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I know everyone surprised love that I
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think my only ice cream snobbery is and
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it only extend so far is that I don't
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like ice creams that have things in the
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other than ice cream and i know ben &
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jerry's falls into that category like it
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doesn't you should just be like the old
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briars commercial sudden I really do
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like briars milk cream sugar they should
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know camino guar gum there should be no
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like other things and i know i know ben
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& jerry's has those like it's another
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reason i give a little bit of a noggin
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target has them to some degree as well
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but a lot of the non super premium
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brands have all sorts of crazy ass
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killers and then you can't stand them
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no i mean like a haagen dazs is really
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good for keeping the ingredient
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countdown but usually only for their
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basic flavors like once you have like
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you know fillings and like you know like
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other objects in the ice cream like
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almonds and stuff or you know or the
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flavors get more complicated that
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ingredient was climbs pretty fast and to
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follow briefly i'm on Casey's Bluebell
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thing i have not tried Bluebell but i
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have tried jen use which is i believe
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version its je mi casa es this is like
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it's also like like a boutique ice cream
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maker and you can have to order them to
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be shipped to you in a frozen box
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I and I had them originally in a store
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in Ohio and i was visiting their few
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years back and it in the stores are just
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amazing their flavors that are really
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weird and so we ordered them like one
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time like first from spending
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Valentine's Day if you a couple years
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ago we ordered some like a Zach to treat
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ourselves and so I kind of try to bring
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back the experience of going to the
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stores and when you order little pints
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of of premium ice cream to be shipped to
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it gets pretty expensive it ended up
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being something like eight or ten
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so you know and and it just wasn't it
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like some of the flavors were great some
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of them were just kind of weird so just
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like it wasn't really worth it if you if
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you can go to jenny's store i recommend
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it but i would not recommend ordering
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fancy ice cream on the internet it's
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just not worth it
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that's our dryer is a as I I don't not
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that familiar with that name but looking
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at the packaging I'm like that song of
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the ones that cellar I can't find the
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ingredients list for your particular
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slow churned thing but dryers grande
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vanilla bean milk cream sugar skim milk
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looking good so far corn syrup cellulose
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gum mono and diglycerides not good
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guar gum dextrose like lots of I don't
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need all that crap you can you can make
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good ice cream with just milk cream and
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sugar and vanilla bean like that dykey
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Marco said ben jerry's does it too
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I know they'll do it as soon as you
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start adding like feeling like oh this
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heath bars in here he's borrowed just
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full of crap like obviously and i go
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ingredients list because guess what
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these bars in there even just the sugar
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always has some weird stuff in it but uh
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I try to try to limit that's why I've
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always been a briars friend that priors
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for the most part especially if you
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don't do like extra creamy or light or
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any other type of thing where they need
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to add fillers to try to make the
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texture back to normal
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you just buy plain old full fat ice
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cream or make it yourself we have a nice
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Commission to make it occasionally it
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like seriously you just need you just
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need milk cream sugar and it makes ice
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cream and is really good and vanilla
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beans so there's no reason for anything
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else unless you start taking stuff out
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want to make it seem creamier than it
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actually is this was from a grocery
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this is for my slow churned vanilla bean
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nonfat milk cream sugar corn syrup when
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I think that at this point I'm out
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that's all it takes the corn syrup is
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all right now I mean you know it's sure
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but you keep going on this is that other
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fillers that I think more objectionable
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corn syrup whey protein buttermilk
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molasses acacia gum carob bean gum guar
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gum natural flavors grande vanilla beans
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and whoa carrageenan yeah that's that
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there's the red stuff to squeeze out of
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bed bugs weird that's kind of gross
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anyway that's the entire ingredient list
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so does that's real time follow-up
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Carradine and is from edible red seaweed
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not from red bugs the different thing
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that comes from red bugs important
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research on a TV that that's that's too
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much try breyers vanilla and to see what
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I'm sure it's good and i'm not saying
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that this is the best ever but this is
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like my go-to ice cream and partially
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because it is slightly lower fat but you
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can change your go-to ice cream right
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that I could I could you could start
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drinking sprite you know I mean Saturn
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used to be your go-to car right
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oh those were the days til the wheels
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fell off yeah it was great car until
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then great stereos who
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