The Incomparable

324: Pants-Wearing Dragons


  the incomparable number 324 October 2060 [TS]

  welcome back everybody to be [TS]

  uncomfortable i'm your host Jason L this [TS]

  is a special edition of our comic book [TS]

  club we this time though it rather than [TS]

  talking about one specific comic we're [TS]

  gonna talk about a lot of comics there's [TS]

  a service that's made available by [TS]

  Marvel Comics called marvel unlimited [TS]

  it's a pretty good deal they have a ten [TS]

  dollar a month plan but they've also got [TS]

  a 69 dollar-a-year plan and you get to [TS]

  read as much as you like from a catalog [TS]

  of they see more than 17,000 at this [TS]

  point marvel comics I've been a [TS]

  subscriber for a few years now because I [TS]

  realized that I you can read like a very [TS]

  small number of comics like 20 comics [TS]

  and it pays for itself if you buy the [TS]

  year so we thought we would do and i was [TS]

  inspired a little bit by a conversation [TS]

  I had with my co-host from upgrade my [TS]

  curly who was wondering about getting [TS]

  into comics we've also heard this from [TS]

  some other people like if I got marvel [TS]

  unlimited what what should I read [TS]

  because there's 17,000 comics to choose [TS]

  from so I've assembled a panel comic [TS]

  readers we're going to help me in draft [TS]

  form to suggest things that you could [TS]

  read on Marvel unlimited or if you [TS]

  prefer to buy or go back and get back [TS]

  issues you could do that too but I think [TS]

  Marvel unlimited is not brought to you [TS]

  by Marvel unlimited I do think it's a [TS]

  pretty good deal if you think you're [TS]

  going to read more than 20 comics in a [TS]

  year anyway joining me and i'm going to [TS]

  introduce them in the order in which [TS]

  they're going to pick as randomly [TS]

  selected by first place miser [TS]

  hi how are you I was not expecting to a [TS]

  free win by a longshot random daughter [TS]

  likes you and wants you to pick for so [TS]

  get ready for that [TS]

  alright alright I'll picking second will [TS]

  be Monty Ashley hi Monty night Jason ram [TS]

  dog like you okay well thanks [TS]

  you're all right to picking third is [TS]

  chipset earth hardship [TS]

  oh thank god i'm not the last one but [TS]

  I'm always last but picking between chip [TS]

  and me is is two young boys us [TS]

  xlc or true believer I hope not hate [TS]

  your subscription fees thats painted [TS]

  keep a credit card on file should we be [TS]

  facing front I've never clear face front [TS]

  true believers should be facing front [TS]

  that's the only way only way to face [TS]

  luckily that's where my face always is [TS]

  alright so with that with the idea being [TS]

  that we're essentially building a little [TS]

  bit of a comic book reading list of [TS]

  people have things that they can try [TS]

  especially if they sign up for Marvel [TS]

  unlimited even if you put down ten bucks [TS]

  for one month you could give it a go and [TS]

  they often have sales so that's the [TS]

  premise here before we get started with [TS]

  the pics i thought we would we should at [TS]

  least talk about the service when this [TS]

  started it was all in a web browser on [TS]

  computers in and it used flash and the [TS]

  big moment of change for them was that [TS]

  they ended up building a mobile version [TS]

  that was a viewable on tablets [TS]

  especially originally it was very weird [TS]

  and it was sort of like a web-based view [TS]

  inside of a nap and wasn't very good [TS]

  it's it's better now although i would [TS]

  never call it best-in-class by a long [TS]

  shot [TS]

  it's sort of i was saying before we got [TS]

  started it's sort of now it's gone from [TS]

  being sort of survivable and and and all [TS]

  that to being kind of okay but I [TS]

  wouldn't say that it's its [TS]

  state-of-the-art in any way in terms of [TS]

  in terms of its a its app interface on [TS]

  an iPad let's say no it it's it's a [TS]

  work-in-progress you could in fact say [TS]

  that the product itself is a draft Lou [TS]

  interesting light i would say that it [TS]

  the app has gotten progressively better [TS]

  over time but still i'm not sure i would [TS]

  say it was good i think it's just yeah [TS]

  it does keep improving it isn't [TS]

  abandoned every time they do an update [TS]

  there seems to be something that they [TS]

  took off that is one of the things they [TS]

  needed to do but it's still got a ways [TS]

  to go [TS]

  I think well to be clear the content [TS]

  inside the app is great and that kinda [TS]

  elevates the bad app it's wrapped in a [TS]

  Maasai man often on subscriber to marvel [TS]

  limited and one of the reasons it's [TS]

  often on is because i have a difficult [TS]

  time with the experience sensitive so [TS]

  radically different from reading a comic [TS]

  that you're holding in your hands are [TS]

  the end I can't organize things the way [TS]

  I want to [TS]

  that's one of my major frustrations with [TS]

  this is I can't is I can't group issues [TS]

  bye-bye [TS]

  I can group them by x crossover special [TS]

  event or resource them by author [TS]

  research them chronologically the way i [TS]

  would like to yes [TS]

  and that bugs me i should be able to i [TS]

  should be able to put stuff in a library [TS]

  and then filtered any one of a number of [TS]

  ways and then put together that way I [TS]

  can't do that drives me bananas so i'm [TS]

  very new to marvel unlimited I'm a I'm a [TS]

  die-hard comiXology a fan and I read the [TS]

  end it and it is such a smooth polished [TS]

  product and then yeah jumping into [TS]

  unlimited you try to search for creators [TS]

  and some of the creator's aren't listed [TS]

  some of the books pages are out of order [TS]

  they do their best to try to sort [TS]

  storylines that ran in between different [TS]

  books but it doesn't always work and [TS]

  like you said Lee so you can't sort it [TS]

  yourself for your own satisfaction so I [TS]

  keep reminding myself as I use this past [TS]

  in the immortal words of plucky duck you [TS]

  know but don't complain it's free it's [TS]

  not it's not free but every individual [TS]

  comic that you read it is free [TS]

  once you once you subscribe yeah yeah [TS]

  trade-offs and the metadata is better [TS]

  also better than it used to be but again [TS]

  yeah not i would say not good but better [TS]

  than it used to be you can find more [TS]

  things you did it used to be that a lot [TS]

  of the covers didn't show up at all or [TS]

  they were the wrong covers they're [TS]

  mostly the right covers now if you know [TS]

  yes [TS]

  you still got things where the [TS]

  publication date isn't accurate at all [TS]

  yes not even matter of it being a little [TS]

  bit off but it will be you know they [TS]

  issued 300 of x-force from 1978 or [TS]

  something [TS]

  one of my persistent feature requests [TS]

  that i wanted so so badly tying into at [TS]

  least was saying is back in the days of [TS]

  of itunes and the the itunes music store [TS]

  low those hello days many years ago [TS]

  there were there were these custom [TS]

  playlists that you could just make [TS]

  available on the iTunes Store and it [TS]

  would be hey it's so and so's mix of all [TS]

  these songs that you can pay money for [TS]

  oh wow that's great i would love to be [TS]

  able to you know be a user create [TS]

  reading orders for different things [TS]

  whether it's events for my own purposes [TS]

  whether it's ok you want to die i want i [TS]

  want better metadata so that i can use [TS]

  it better so that they can use it better [TS]

  it's it there's so much potential still [TS]

  that that needs to be unlocked out of [TS]

  this thing and the the big one of the [TS]

  big hang-ups that I have as somebody who [TS]

  doesn't travel a whole time like I'm not [TS]

  getting on a plane for three hours on a [TS]

  regular basis but I know that people do [TS]

  and that's one of the reasons that [TS]

  people like having access to all the [TS]

  stuff and if you don't have internet [TS]

  access it is the upper limit still 610 [TS]

  well it's 12x12 ok so so the very least [TS]

  you can put 12 issues of whatever on [TS]

  your device and have them with you [TS]

  offline but you have to make all of [TS]

  those decisions right away and that's [TS]

  what you're stuck with pretty much and [TS]

  you have to check them out so they can [TS]

  check something else back in and it's [TS]

  just it that that's insanely frustrating [TS]

  to me because it feels like a layer of [TS]

  drm that is not actually protecting [TS]

  against anything as easy as it is and [TS]

  has been for a long time for people to [TS]

  steal stuff I just don't like they take [TS]

  advantage of the medium the advantage [TS]

  that you have with digital content [TS]

  digital comics / the print version is [TS]

  that with digital comics you can in [TS]

  theory i like the zooming in and out of [TS]

  panels like for people who are really [TS]

  into the art of the comic that's [TS]

  fantastic because you get to see it that [TS]

  said as somebody who read scott mccloud [TS]

  river for informative a hinge the layout [TS]

  of panels on a page are often a really [TS]

  important story telling element and so [TS]

  when you do the comic zoomin zoom-out [TS]

  it's kind of challenging to balance the [TS]

  storytelling elements and I feel that [TS]

  with digital comics you really have to [TS]

  find a way to embrace the medium and [TS]

  there's no way to do like it drives me [TS]

  crazy that in the older comics when they [TS]

  meant when they cross reference stuff [TS]

  that happened other issues you can [TS]

  automatically click and have it come up [TS]

  oh yeah yeah I would love to be able to [TS]

  hyperlink or drill down in comics like [TS]

  that there's no reason why you shouldn't [TS]

  be able to do that see issue 23 for more [TS]

  on dr. drew it or something right [TS]

  yeah or or you know for example i'm [TS]

  thinking about the annuals are like as [TS]

  established and in in New Mutants number [TS]

  five ed and then they should be able to [TS]

  click to that panel in the mutants [TS]

  number [TS]

  five and have the person's women out [TS]

  there is no reason why you can't be able [TS]

  to do hyper linking or have a pop-up [TS]

  window or something that lets you later [TS]

  the information um otherwise honestly [TS]

  like what if i'm reading a pilot trade [TS]

  paperbacks and say it's the mutants [TS]

  classics which are which are now out in [TS]

  trade if if there isn't like that in in [TS]

  in trade number four I can go and reach [TS]

  over and grab issue number to flip back [TS]

  and find it like it's ridiculous that i [TS]

  can do that with a bunch of books and I [TS]

  cannot do that with a digital archive I [TS]

  think that's there at this point I think [TS]

  that's the number one we're number one [TS]

  problem I mean I i realize that there's [TS]

  a huge archive [TS]

  oh yeah it's huge but the idea that they [TS]

  could they could take this metadata and [TS]

  they could interlink it and that I mean [TS]

  on the web you can find reading whole [TS]

  reading list for four characters and [TS]

  comics where you can follow them through [TS]

  and it's all in continuity and you can [TS]

  go for events and all of these things [TS]

  have been done and then on the the the [TS]

  Marvel unlimited app there it's very [TS]

  limited what they offer nobody else can [TS]

  offer you can't build your own and that [TS]

  that's the I mean I think that's [TS]

  obviously the next step because some of [TS]

  this stuff works by far the best when [TS]

  it's a when it's done like that it when [TS]

  it's all interleave together let's start [TS]

  the drive Lisa what's what's your first [TS]

  choice of something that people should [TS]

  read so my first choice is actually tied [TS]

  into Squirrel Girl the I've really [TS]

  enjoyed the revival of the that the [TS]

  attractions of the successful launch of [TS]

  the solo book under ryan underwrite [TS]

  North America Henderson it's a great [TS]

  book on a lot of levels it's family [TS]

  friendly enough where I can reach little [TS]

  kids and then I can go back and reread [TS]

  it might check over the notes the bottom [TS]

  and I got curious about the back history [TS]

  and use the search engine and opt-in and [TS]

  I want to direct people's attention to [TS]

  New Avengers number 15 where they [TS]

  attempt to break out the sexiest for all [TS]

  girl as the nanny for luke cage and [TS]

  jessica jones and everything about this [TS]

  issue from her using an army of [TS]

  squirrels to fight Wolverine to dealing [TS]

  with robot Nazis to also taking care of [TS]

  a child at the same time is [TS]

  unintentionally hilarious and [TS]

  it is so of a period like it just [TS]

  screams early Audis and it's very of a [TS]

  period and it's hilarious by brian [TS]

  michael bendis that's the same issue [TS]

  where it's in its heavily I would say [TS]

  not heavily implied but Triple [TS]

  underlined and highlighted that [TS]

  Wolverine and squirrel girl you know the [TS]

  past have a past [TS]

  that's the term that's the term that's [TS]

  the family-friendly term yeah I I kind [TS]

  of like kind of love that gathers its [TS]

  what i really enjoy is how schoolgirl [TS]

  has all these connections with the the [TS]

  Alpha figures of the marble heat and [TS]

  it's taken this long but this Doreen [TS]

  Green has literally nothing to do with [TS]

  ryan North conception of her and as it [TS]

  and so the reason i recommended at first [TS]

  is if you are a fan of the ryenorath [TS]

  growing you've been mainlining that for [TS]

  well as as we have been around my house [TS]

  i'm going back and reading this is [TS]

  really hilarious and it also provides a [TS]

  handy time capsule of exactly how mood [TS]

  takes some marvel stuff was in the earth [TS]

  yachties as well where you're like [TS]

  that's what you're doing now huh [TS]

  and I went to a wormhole with the fear [TS]

  itself event that they did but anyway [TS]

  this is a pretty funny standalone issue [TS]

  from oh my god what they do is grow real [TS]

  thing and it's also if you've been [TS]

  watching normal TV it's interesting to [TS]

  see how they've had a flush out jessica [TS]

  jones and luke cage as a pair of [TS]

  functioning parents there too and I [TS]

  think that relationship is kind of [TS]

  fascinating to look at in light of how [TS]

  they've relaunched the jessica jones [TS]

  book recently as well so new avengers 15 [TS]

  you don't even have to know anything [TS]

  about the like New Avengers 1 through 14 [TS]

  this this works fine as a standalone as [TS]

  well but it's a it's a funny little on [TS]

  snapshot of the history that was which [TS]

  gets even funnier if you are currently [TS]

  steeped in the marvel that is right now [TS]

  ok Monty Europe alright i thought i was [TS]

  going to get sniped but i did not i am [TS]

  picking the current the unbeatable [TS]

  squirrel girl run in fact haha [TS]

  in fact i'm gonna pick both of the [TS]

  unbeatable schoolgirl runs because in [TS]

  there was this title the unbeatable [TS]

  schoolgirl it ran for eight issues and [TS]

  then marblehead a relaunch of everything [TS]

  all new all different and a new [TS]

  unbeatable schoolgirl [TS]

  started up exactly the same still [TS]

  written by Ryan or still drawn by Erica [TS]

  Anderson still delightful it is super [TS]

  fun in every panel Doreen is a great [TS]

  character and as it says in the title [TS]

  she's unbeatable she's taken down while [TS]

  she's taking down Galactus he's taking [TS]

  down an iron man shaking out all of the [TS]

  Avengers huh [TS]

  she's great colitis the galactics one is [TS]

  pretty special how that how that story [TS]

  is told that they all say they come to [TS]

  an understanding will have to think [TS]

  she's not a fight first superhero she [TS]

  always tries to reason with them that I [TS]

  love her tangling with dr. damn uh huh [TS]

  so that's my pic it's a current series [TS]

  now it's just such a great series so [TS]

  there's not much of it there but there's [TS]

  more [TS]

  just stick around more issues come up [TS]

  every time that's right i do love that [TS]

  they normally try to identify which [TS]

  volume of a comic that's got multiple [TS]

  numbers by the year and of course [TS]

  unbeatable squirrel girl has two number [TS]

  ones in the same year and howard the [TS]

  duck has the exact same problem all of [TS]

  the animals superheroes all of them you [TS]

  know there's 2015 and then there's 2015 [TS]

  forward version but they're both they're [TS]

  yeah they're both great chip what's your [TS]

  pic first pic well my first pick is not [TS]

  going to surprise anyone because this is [TS]

  a comic book that has moved me to song [TS]

  in the past i am going to reach into the [TS]

  eighties and pull out for issues 337 to [TS]

  382 the famous run of four written by [TS]

  walter simonson that I this is this is [TS]

  the thing that really turned me into a [TS]

  comics fan again after the your [TS]

  traditional read comics when you're a [TS]

  kid [TS]

  stop reading comics one of your nerdy [TS]

  friends in junior high school says hey I [TS]

  still read comics and you start [TS]

  puttering around and comic book shops [TS]

  and suddenly you find something that yet [TS]

  this is a really really long run it's an [TS]

  epic story of and it's the first time I [TS]

  really think that [TS]

  and Moyes is you've got more you've got [TS]

  more detailed history on comments you [TS]

  may beat me you made correct me on this [TS]

  but I think this is the first time that [TS]

  Thor really broke away from the jack [TS]

  kirby mold to turn into this fusion of [TS]

  homage to the real classic Norse myths [TS]

  mashed up with a marvel super science [TS]

  you get the introduction of beta ray [TS]

  bill and the first storyline you get the [TS]

  elimination of the Don Blake alter ego [TS]

  and you immediately get a 12 to 15 issue [TS]

  arc that is Ragnarok the fall of the [TS]

  gods and then you keep on going right up [TS]

  until the end of this multi-year run [TS]

  with the thor fighting and dying against [TS]

  the Midgard serpent or does e it's it is [TS]

  remarkable it is epic [TS]

  it's a little awkward reading in the [TS]

  21st century because this is that a sort [TS]

  of a liminal time in marvel comics when [TS]

  the UH when the storytelling was [TS]

  becoming super ambitious and yet [TS]

  characters were constantly monologuing [TS]

  they were constantly describing what [TS]

  they were going to do this was before [TS]

  they moved all the stuff to thought [TS]

  bubbles it well before caption caption [TS]

  narration is the character who most [TS]

  narrate everything he does [TS]

  oh yeah oh yeah and but did this this [TS]

  time bigtime but it is it if you're into [TS]

  epic long-form storytelling uh this is [TS]

  this is I think I don't know that Marvel [TS]

  ever did it any better [TS]

  walter simonson is a great writer and [TS]

  this is tailor-made for Marvel unlimited [TS]

  because it you know it the whole run is [TS]

  there and you you've already paid for it [TS]

  this is this is this is 50 odd comics [TS]

  you're going to make that back it just [TS]

  off the subscription in no time [TS]

  I feel like I feel like this is where I [TS]

  do my iron chef style of focus on [TS]

  interjection has ideas I I could not [TS]

  agree more with the with the with chips [TS]

  ons a [TS]

  assertions about Walter Simon's a [TS]

  three-run it's it's really still held up [TS]

  as one of the great classic runs and [TS]

  it's from an era where you would get a [TS]

  creative team whether a team of a writer [TS]

  and an artist or a writer artist in the [TS]

  case Walt where they did and [TS]

  uninterruptedly five years of something [TS]

  with no brakes with no fillings with no [TS]

  late issues and just got the work done [TS]

  and it i mean this run a you mentioned [TS]

  the introduction of beta ray bill [TS]

  incredibly controversial the time and [TS]

  there was no Twitter their blogs are no [TS]

  forms there was a reserved character [TS]

  that really picked up the hangman [TS]

  exactly and that there was nowhere for [TS]

  phantom to go exploding outrage file [TS]

  lawsuits put in a petition [TS]

  any of that kind of stuff everybody [TS]

  hated beta ray bill and then a couple [TS]

  months later buddy love better a bill [TS]

  and he was awesome and he was great why [TS]

  is there a t-shirt of this and all my [TS]

  god is the greatest thing ever [TS]

  why isn't he in the comic book all the [TS]

  time let's move on that's a lot of Thor [TS]

  and a lot of beta ray bill I'm not [TS]

  surprised ship by the way I'm not you [TS]

  even a little bit surprised i've gotta [TS]

  be me Moyes is what would you like to [TS]

  choose now when we started I asked you [TS]

  what the ground rules are for this and [TS]

  I'm i am I i want to tempt fate because [TS]

  to a I assume that nobody else selected [TS]

  something that would be covered in this [TS]

  so my pic is the entire history of [TS]

  Marvel crossover events [TS]

  ok are those on Marvel unlimited the [TS]

  vast majority of them are and Marvel [TS]

  limited is the reason that i was able to [TS]

  catch up on a bunch of them when on at [TS]

  four mentioned comics podcast my co-host [TS]

  and I said hey let's do a two-episode [TS]

  thing just cover all the crossovers for [TS]

  both companies just hit the high points [TS]

  and then like 13 installments later we [TS]

  got all the way through all of them [TS]

  because marvel unlimited allowed us to [TS]

  reread pretty much all of them even the [TS]

  super obscure ones that have never been [TS]

  collected in trade or have been out of [TS]

  print in trade for over a decade [TS]

  one of my favorites among them if i were [TS]

  to pick out one is from the period of [TS]

  Marvel bankruptcy called [TS]

  maximum-security written by Kurt music [TS]

  that it takes the the idea that all of [TS]

  the different galactic empires and so on [TS]

  that Earth has has run afoul of have [TS]

  have had full well enough of all of [TS]

  Earth superheroes using the galaxy as [TS]

  there is their battleground and have [TS]

  decided to isolate earth set up a [TS]

  barrier so that nobody can get [TS]

  off-planet and dump all of their [TS]

  criminals onto earth and turn earth into [TS]

  the galaxies penal colony Ronan the [TS]

  accusers and a bunch of characters that [TS]

  people know a lot better now are in [TS]

  there but you can you can read this it's [TS]

  very short [TS]

  it's on Marvel unlimited and it's one of [TS]

  my favorite Marvel crossover events now [TS]

  that I actually know that existed [TS]

  it's a great way to to to dip into a [TS]

  crossover event that somebody said well [TS]

  this is kind of important or this is you [TS]

  know what to really understand what's [TS]

  going on spider-man you need to go back [TS]

  to acts of vengeance some of these [TS]

  crossover events have not been again you [TS]

  know going back to previous comments not [TS]

  reprinted regularly not kept in print [TS]

  reliably and the beautiful hardcover [TS]

  editions of them you can't find them for [TS]

  less than four hundred dollars so the [TS]

  the thing for me that made marvel [TS]

  unlimited incredibly valuable was that I [TS]

  didn't have to fork over cash to buy the [TS]

  trade paperbacks of these things that i [TS]

  may or may not have liked and kind of [TS]

  wanted to read mostly for historical or [TS]

  relative appreciation but that includes [TS]

  the good stuff to you know you've got [TS]

  the original secret wars you've got a [TS]

  contest of Champions which I consider a [TS]

  crossover even though it didn't operate [TS]

  the way that modern crossover events do [TS]

  it involves 12 / comics but it does in [TS]

  fact go all the way back to the first [TS]

  real Marvel crossover event which was [TS]

  the offender the Avengers defenders war [TS]

  the Avengers and defenders involved [TS]

  don't look much like the Avengers are [TS]

  defenders that anybody's familiar with [TS]

  Netflix but that doesn't that doesn't [TS]

  that doesn't in any way decrease the [TS]

  value of it as a as a historical note [TS]

  that would that would curse us for [TS]

  decades to come [TS]

  so much of Marvel's events are there you [TS]

  know it almost impossible to cover [TS]

  because they really do want you to buy [TS]

  50 different comics or whatever and I of [TS]

  you [TS]

  I have participated in several of these [TS]

  marble crossover events now with with um [TS]

  with unlimited again delayed eight [TS]

  months or whatever however long they [TS]

  they do their time delay and it's kind [TS]

  of great when you get the to just sort [TS]

  of flick through from issue to issue of [TS]

  these big events and if a particular [TS]

  issue doesn't do it for you you just [TS]

  move on and you don't feel like you got [TS]

  ripped off and pay four dollars for some [TS]

  tie-in comic there was no good you just [TS]

  move to the next one now go read [TS]

  powerpack number 10 [TS]

  yeah I I remember there was a there was [TS]

  a and the the unfortunate thing though [TS]

  is there some of those tiny issues like [TS]

  there were there were issues of rom [TS]

  space night [TS]

  yeah we're here to Jason's heart a few [TS]

  others that Marvel no longer holds the [TS]

  publishing or publishing rights for so [TS]

  technically there's some of these [TS]

  crossover events that you even if Marvel [TS]

  wanted to they wouldn't be able to put [TS]

  the digital version of these issues on [TS]

  there but like all crossover events it [TS]

  kind of doesn't matter you know I [TS]

  remember catching up on a bunch of stuff [TS]

  from infinity and reading an issue of [TS]

  Thunderbolts that had infinity split all [TS]

  over the cover but it had the the only [TS]

  way in which it actually interacted with [TS]

  the crossover event that it was [TS]

  ostensibly a tie into was the [TS]

  Thunderbolts team was off doing [TS]

  something of a new york and oh there's [TS]

  some crap happening in the sky [TS]

  I don't know what that is let's keep [TS]

  going guys and it just didn't touch it [TS]

  all the time now that but I yeah I if I [TS]

  were to throw three random obscure [TS]

  crossover events worth checking-out [TS]

  maximum maximum security is definitely [TS]

  one accidental is another where they [TS]

  take they take the roads galleries of [TS]

  different marvel super heroes they all [TS]

  get together they say wait a minute [TS]

  let's get this straight why are we all [TS]

  fighting the same good guys every time [TS]

  why don't we rotate the wheel a little [TS]

  bit and cause some real havoc for for [TS]

  the good guys and it plays out great [TS]

  it's funny it was it was a much needed [TS]

  shake up the other the other one that i [TS]

  would throw out there is is I think [TS]

  Avengers vs. x-men reads way better as a [TS]

  binge than it did individually issues [TS]

  where I did it anyway among a [TS]

  month-to-month it played out like an [TS]

  episode of dragon ball z [TS]

  where it took 20 minutes to advance a [TS]

  tenth of a second in actual event time [TS]

  and it it it reads way better collected [TS]

  so that that's a a more recent not [TS]

  remotely as obscure a pic so hopefully I [TS]

  broken all the rules and and now we've [TS]

  shattered reality and jason has to put [TS]

  it back together [TS]

  yeah you did tonight was going to be my [TS]

  round to pick up secret wars haha i'm [TS]

  going to give voices Marvel crossover [TS]

  events including maximum-security acts [TS]

  of vengeance and AVX if you really want [TS]

  to pick secret wars you can we are we're [TS]

  gonna finish up the first round with my [TS]

  pic i have like 15 things here that I [TS]

  could pick but i'm going to start with [TS]

  something rather than take one some of [TS]

  the more obvious ones i'm going to go a [TS]

  little less obvious i'm going to [TS]

  recommend people out there check out [TS]

  1602 which is an issue miniseries really [TS]

  ideal games ya series that neil gaiman [TS]

  and it is a beautiful series i liked it [TS]

  a lot the idea is basically what if the [TS]

  Marvel superheroes existed in the year [TS]

  1602 instead of 2002 which was when this [TS]

  was written and it's a fascinating [TS]

  they're all its just alternate takes on [TS]

  characters that you will be familiar [TS]

  with and they they behave like you'd [TS]

  expect except sometimes they don't and [TS]

  it's a very interesting story with i [TS]

  would say a satisfying conclusion and [TS]

  eight issues very clever [TS]

  there are several sequels you don't need [TS]

  to read them [TS]

  this is this this is the the official [TS]

  core of it this is the this is the stuff [TS]

  and it was meant to sort of stand-alone [TS]

  and I yeah i highly recommend it was [TS]

  done basically for I think your game and [TS]

  donated all of all of his uh proceeds to [TS]

  a was a charity or to a legal defense [TS]

  fund or something like that but it was [TS]

  part of the way that he got control of [TS]

  the character Angela back from Todd 414 [TS]

  the full story on that it would take 10 [TS]

  million our you go somewhere else and no [TS]

  but anyway the result we got was an [TS]

  issue miniseries that's pretty good it's [TS]

  all Marvel unlimited 1602 so try it out [TS]

  that's my back a naughty naughty true [TS]

  believer [TS]

  indeed he wait until you meet Peter [TS]

  Parker movement going on I just really [TS]

  like virginia Dare in that series [TS]

  uh ok second round will try to pick up [TS]

  the pace a little bit or we'll be here [TS]

  all night Lisa what do you have my [TS]

  second pick is a link to the fact that i [TS]

  never really read a whole lot of [TS]

  Deadpool the movie came out this year [TS]

  and I still haven't watched the movie [TS]

  although it's on my DVR and I'm honestly [TS]

  just waiting for anywhere i can sit down [TS]

  some point into it but i thought well [TS]

  one of the reasons i took such pleasure [TS]

  in watching The Avengers is because when [TS]

  I saw the movie i could go through and [TS]

  go okay they got that from ultimate [TS]

  adventures they got that from ultimate [TS]

  adventure is over and so I'm kind of [TS]

  curious i kind of want to watch did pull [TS]

  until I understand what they've lifted [TS]

  from the comics if anything and and what [TS]

  is entirely the invention screenwriters [TS]

  and in my for through Deadpool I have [TS]

  really been enjoying the one-year run of [TS]

  Deadpool Merc with a mouth it's by [TS]

  Victor kichler and bong bong choices you [TS]

  can correct my pronunciation its bond as [TS]

  0 or days oh who does the pencils I [TS]

  that's a great question that I don't [TS]

  have an answer to anyway long story [TS]

  short Deadpool has to go get a bioweapon [TS]

  it turns out to be his own zombified [TS]

  head from an alternate dimension and in [TS]

  doing so he also managed to double-cross [TS]

  Hydra a name and it's lunatic it's a [TS]

  lunatic series and the thing I like [TS]

  about is not only is the story super not [TS]

  only the story rollicking it's basically [TS]

  a caper the covers on the series are [TS]

  worth looking at two because all of them [TS]

  are dead pool and zombie takes on [TS]

  classic TV or cinema or album imagery [TS]

  including silence of the lambs and the [TS]

  graduate and pretty woman in Jaws and [TS]

  it's just delightful [TS]

  I love a comic that doesn't take itself [TS]

  too seriously and this one certainly [TS]

  doesn't and for people who are like well [TS]

  I don't know about more about Deadpool [TS]

  but I don't want to commit entirely like [TS]

  this is a good way to start [TS]

  I have found I don't think any of this [TS]

  will show up in the movie and now i [TS]

  kinda don't care all right [TS]

  deadpool yeah yeah yeahs work with the [TS]

  mouth [TS]

  deadpool colon work with the mouthiest [TS]

  there's like five different Deadpool [TS]

  series in there on the list Monty Monty [TS]

  you if you needed a formal retraction I [TS]

  I'm [TS]

  modify my pic to all crossover events [TS]

  except for secret wars because it really [TS]

  does deserve its own spot [TS]

  great then my pic is secret wars what I [TS]

  clear what one obviously the one from [TS]

  1984 not the recent one [TS]

  ok the recent ones awesome that like [TS]

  there isn't one but is it historically [TS]

  important the way a personification of a [TS]

  universe taking a bunch of villains and [TS]

  a bunch of heroes [TS]

  clapping them on a planet and saying [TS]

  okay now fight for 12 issues was of [TS]

  course not in 1984 we didn't know what [TS]

  the hell we were doing so it was the [TS]

  most awesome thing in the world for all [TS]

  the heroes and all the villains to be [TS]

  just sort of group together and given no [TS]

  more motivation than ok fight and there [TS]

  was some twists like all that hero he [TS]

  turned out to be kind of bad that [TS]

  villain he turned out to be sort of good [TS]

  it gets really interesting i think [TS]

  towards the end this is in fact we're [TS]

  spider-man's ridiculous black suit that [TS]

  turned into venom comes from yep [TS]

  don't just a black suit i'm saying this [TS]

  too late the origin of the suit is silly [TS]

  that's true he yeah it is some dispenser [TS]

  yes and the way the way they did see [TS]

  rewards is they all the heroes disappear [TS]

  from their books in one month and in the [TS]

  next month they all returned say wow [TS]

  something that was incredible what [TS]

  happened there [TS]

  that sure was a secret war and we had to [TS]

  watch it for for a year and one of the [TS]

  big ones was boys when you find out of [TS]

  spider-man got that costume that's going [TS]

  to be something and it's like well he [TS]

  went into a cave and there was a costume [TS]

  it's actually less silly in the movie [TS]

  where some alien coupe just drips on it [TS]

  yeah I'd forgotten that aspect of it [TS]

  because one of the big ones was uh the [TS]

  makeup of the Fantastic Four [TS]

  yeah that was huge ends up with a [TS]

  she-hulk replacing with me [TS]

  yeah it was big news at the time and I [TS]

  still think it's a lot of fun to just go [TS]

  to a simpler time and storytelling where [TS]

  you could have lots of fights / issue [TS]

  instead of an issue about where the [TS]

  people talk about fighting and that an [TS]

  issue where they start to fight an issue [TS]

  where they continue fighting i do not [TS]

  recommend secret worst to know where the [TS]

  beyonders comes to earth [TS]

  and is taught how to pee by spider-man [TS]

  cool he's taught a poop i'm telling you [TS]

  i think it's in the spider-man ty [TS]

  initiative and I'm sorry that I know [TS]

  that so precisely that's entertainment [TS]

  if you follow chips recommendation to [TS]

  read or you will see some of the beyond [TS]

  ER right next to the scenes where Thor [TS]

  turned into a frog frog the same issue [TS]

  yeah the the original secret wars i love [TS]

  how everybody seemed to like [TS]

  antagonistically call magneto Maggie [TS]

  there's some weird dr. doom stuff in [TS]

  there too [TS]

  there's there's always some weird dr. do [TS]

  stuff I you know one of the only ones [TS]

  who says this is ridiculous how can we [TS]

  fight back against the situation instead [TS]

  of just like their street-level goons [TS]

  there or like what do I do [TS]

  I'm a villain i feit heroes well there's [TS]

  most of the Avengers and the x-men and [TS]

  the Fantastic Four [TS]

  let's go get a boiler room huh well [TS]

  Galactus is standing around rolling is [TS]

  enormous sized ship your turn [TS]

  um I'm going to pick I want to pick next [TS]

  wave agents of hate [TS]

  oh I hate you so much right now I'm [TS]

  sorry people for skull and crossbone [TS]

  symbols in a row that's how I feel right [TS]

  now next wave is only 12 issues along i [TS]

  could have gone iia it could have gone [TS]

  for it could have gone for years as far [TS]

  as I'm concerned but maybe it could only [TS]

  have lasted this long it's warren ellis [TS]

  and stuart immonen taking the absolute [TS]

  piss out of the Marvel Universe and [TS]

  putting together a group of retread [TS]

  heroes and has been heroes including the [TS]

  former captain marvel from the Avengers [TS]

  Monica Rambeau and machine machine and [TS]

  drinking problem who has a drinking [TS]

  problem and a guy who they just call the [TS]

  captain because his real name is Captain [TS]

  censored arm and characters like that [TS]

  and they are on the run from a truly [TS]

  demented send-up of shield called hate [TS]

  and their lunatic leader Colonel Dirk [TS]

  anger not Nick Fury [TS]

  Dirk anger and the first storyline [TS]

  involves the the hideous threat of the [TS]

  great kirby dragon Fin Fang Foom [TS]

  threatening to put characters in his [TS]

  pants and adjust descends from there [TS]

  this is an insane beautiful 12 issue [TS]

  series about what I have to read this [TS]

  and his pants during drinking has pants [TS]

  wearing dragons there is it's it's it's [TS]

  parentally noted by creators as a [TS]

  favorite book of theirs that they wish [TS]

  they could bring back and I bet they're [TS]

  a dozen people who write for Marvel [TS]

  right now who would kill to write a new [TS]

  next wave book but only if Pope Warren [TS]

  past and and handed over the reins to [TS]

  somebody else [TS]

  it is so so beloved among creator [TS]

  specifically there are some weird [TS]

  moments in the wider marvel universe [TS]

  where it almost seems like it seems like [TS]

  this intersects with the with the MU but [TS]

  just just pick it up and read it and [TS]

  ignore the rest of the Marvel Universe [TS]

  ignore everything else in Marvel [TS]

  unlimited just read these 12 issues as a [TS]

  whole [TS]

  Andy you will giggle yeah you don't have [TS]

  to know who any of the characters are at [TS]

  all [TS]

  there's there's no hype no height [TS]

  requirement that roller coaster [TS]

  oh at but you better not like broccoli [TS]

  no okay good i hate it was that's what's [TS]

  your second pic use your pic first pic [TS]

  to pick you know hundreds of comics [TS]

  across many different events but not see [TS]

  what I asked you what the rules were for [TS]

  a reason so that i can then bring those [TS]

  of time and space i'm going to go much [TS]

  more simply you can you can read the [TS]

  entirety of Christopher priests [TS]

  five-year run on Black Panther which [TS]

  began in 1998 on Marvel unlimited and it [TS]

  is some of the best superhero comics [TS]

  written in the last 20 years if you ask [TS]

  me i'm striking that one off my list [TS]

  victory is mine but you've got to you've [TS]

  got ever k Ross who popped up in captain [TS]

  america civil war the movie he's in [TS]

  there of course the child the Black [TS]

  Panthers in there lots of what continent [TS]

  intrigue is in there it is it is a book [TS]

  that was born out of Marvel Knights [TS]

  which is this for title [TS]

  small group that was handed to a couple [TS]

  of couple guys named Jack us out and [TS]

  jimmy palmiotti who I here still do [TS]

  comic books in some form or another [TS]

  these days and and this is this is one [TS]

  of those four characters that launched [TS]

  that imprint that really transformed [TS]

  marvel in the late nineties just on the [TS]

  verge of the Marvel bankruptcy and [TS]

  either the spirit of the marvel alliance [TS]

  characters is ok leave these in our box [TS]

  and leave us alone and don't tie it into [TS]

  your events and don't make us do this [TS]

  and don't make us do that and i love the [TS]

  12 issue in humans miniseries that was [TS]

  part of that i very much enjoyed the run [TS]

  of daredevil that started of kevin smith [TS]

  and transition over to David Mack and [TS]

  various other folks after that point but [TS]

  for me the the real here is a great way [TS]

  to dig into this character that a lot of [TS]

  people are interested in now that he's [TS]

  in movies is this really definitive run [TS]

  a black panther Reginald Hudlin had a [TS]

  great run that came after this one [TS]

  it was very good but really when it [TS]

  comes down to it if there is a [TS]

  definitive run on the character Black [TS]

  Panther it is this one barn on all right [TS]

  i'm adding that to my list that's great [TS]

  okay i'm going to close out round two [TS]

  with a i love how we can pick single [TS]

  issues or just dozens of issues and it's [TS]

  all good it's all part of the whole are [TS]

  you setting up for some really odd [TS]

  selection only a little bit the nineteen [TS]

  seventies the odd-numbered issues i'm [TS]

  going to choose a run and not only am I [TS]

  going to choose a run by a writer and [TS]

  artist i'm going to choose the longest [TS]

  continuous run by writer-artist in [TS]

  comics which is like you ultimate [TS]

  spider-man which began in the year 2000 [TS]

  brian brian michael bendis and Mark [TS]

  Bagley to which issue should you read [TS]

  well start with issue 1 and then you can [TS]

  jump off when bag leaves the book in [TS]

  issue 111 but I read all of them and [TS]

  then you could keep going if you like [TS]

  because then Stuart imminent comes in [TS]

  and it's pretty great too but I love [TS]

  ultimate spider-man i love Bendis [TS]

  retelling using modern storytelling [TS]

  techniques a lot of the classic stories [TS]

  of spider-man [TS]

  and yes m√łnsteret out techniques monte [TS]

  means that what took one issue for Steve [TS]

  Ditko and Stanley takes like 12 issues [TS]

  for her for Bendis exactly but he's [TS]

  retelling so much of spider-man that [TS]

  sometimes something that lets say bogged [TS]

  down spider-man four years and years [TS]

  some sort of saga can be retold tighter [TS]

  and well it's true it's true with some [TS]

  very interesting variations i think that [TS]

  the explanation for spider-man's origin [TS]

  and how it sort of tied up in Norman [TS]

  Osborn's quest to build a super-soldier [TS]

  serum and it leads to Norman Osborn [TS]

  becoming a very different and far more [TS]

  scary [TS]

  Green Goblin it is all part of this too [TS]

  it is [TS]

  yeah it's my favorite spider-man's yeah [TS]

  obviously spider-man's my favorite [TS]

  superhero but ultimate spider-man is a [TS]

  wonderful retailing and modernizing of [TS]

  the character while never forgetting [TS]

  sort of what what's at the core of [TS]

  spider-man the artist beautiful the [TS]

  supporting cast is great if if buffy the [TS]

  vampire slayer joss whedon said was sort [TS]

  of like what if we did a TV show of [TS]

  spider-man except you know it will will [TS]

  do a gender flip and you know it will be [TS]

  record ropes of super trips but he said [TS]

  it was a huge spider man was a huge [TS]

  inspiration when he did Buffy well [TS]

  ultimate spider-man is kind of like [TS]

  Buffy taking back the other way there's [TS]

  a whole supporting cast around him it's [TS]

  not just him as a loaner Mary Jane and [TS]

  Gwen Stacy and Aunt May and and other [TS]

  characters but you know jenna jameson [TS]

  are much more supporting characters then [TS]

  they were in so much of the original [TS]

  spider-man so I love it it's great [TS]

  that's run to there's more Lisa what [TS]

  what's gonna start with round three [TS]

  so i'm i'm i'm also picking a run so [TS]

  i've i've talked about this series this [TS]

  is really the series that is the closest [TS]

  to my heart because the one that i read [TS]

  through high school and identified with [TS]

  really strongly and so my pic is the new [TS]

  mutants run that went from 1983 okay [TS]

  cause i wanna run on ya I want to warn [TS]

  the I want to warn the listeners however [TS]

  that the number and gets really flipping [TS]

  wonky right around [TS]

  number 40 so my recommendation is to [TS]

  just read one through 40 binge on it [TS]

  give yourself a little space and then [TS]

  enjoy hopping and skipping from issue 46 [TS]

  to issue 62 issue 71 and then jump ahead [TS]

  to the last 44 issues that they have in [TS]

  this run which are done by Rob life old [TS]

  sorry just instinctive reaction because [TS]

  i'm truly it's just it [TS]

  it's a distinctive look and especially [TS]

  if you go back and you're looking at how [TS]

  things are done in the beginning and how [TS]

  i'm the the the cloud and the bush that [TS]

  that sandwich stuff looks and then you [TS]

  go two pouches pouches and ponytails all [TS]

  patches and 5000 but i highly recommend [TS]

  running through issues 1 340 what I find [TS]

  really exciting about this book is chris [TS]

  claremont sat down and basically said [TS]

  alright we have a bunch of x men who [TS]

  have who have aged into adulthood [TS]

  let's see what it's like to have a bunch [TS]

  of teenagers for mutants in the nineteen [TS]

  eighties instead the nineteen sixties [TS]

  how is their world different because [TS]

  they have a generation ahead of them [TS]

  how do they deal with having these [TS]

  footsteps to fill and how did how do you [TS]

  grow up as a second-generation mutant [TS]

  and I think the reason that that [TS]

  resonates with me so strongly is as [TS]

  somebody who's grown up in the cultural [TS]

  shadows of the baby boomers it's kind of [TS]

  like having the cultural conversation [TS]

  that you see in partying in the media [TS]

  when they talk about the baby boomer [TS]

  generation x Millennials it's fun seeing [TS]

  that theme reflected in amplified a bit [TS]

  in the comics it's interesting watching [TS]

  them try to develop mutants who can be [TS]

  compelling with powers that are cool but [TS]

  not duplicating the already existing [TS]

  powers of other mutants and it's fun [TS]

  watching that it's fun watching the user [TS]

  identity has some of these guys go [TS]

  deeper into their meant to be and other [TS]

  people try on different identities and [TS]

  discard them i love the twist the door [TS]

  and my frost starts teaching and it's [TS]

  just it's a good time [TS]

  it's a lot of fun and I also feel like [TS]

  it provides a really handy visual [TS]

  history of the way comics were drawn [TS]

  from about 93 2 1989 [TS]

  so you know if you've got an afternoon [TS]

  or to just flip on through and then [TS]

  wonder why more of these care [TS]

  haven't broken into the the big-league [TS]

  sense well they're making a new mutants [TS]

  movie so we'll see what how they do but [TS]

  i had this on my list too and it's funny [TS]

  least I wrote down issues 1 through 30 [TS]

  something like in there is where I'm [TS]

  like yeah then you can stop if you do [TS]

  get Scott gets confusing then I had 1831 [TS]

  just give me the building cabbage and [TS]

  there you were fine i didn't even bother [TS]

  putting it on my list is knew we were [TS]

  gonna we're gonna take it so well yeah I [TS]

  love that the whole concept of the New [TS]

  Mutants yeah I wish you know what I want [TS]

  more these guys make up to the big [TS]

  leagues as it were I mean they're [TS]

  powerful enough and they've been around [TS]

  for 30 years you think at some point but [TS]

  sunspot features fairly prominently in [TS]

  the Avengers arc that led to the new [TS]

  secret wars event he's actually in there [TS]

  a lot as sort of a all again all [TS]

  grown-up see because they're not they're [TS]

  not kids anymore either [TS]

  everybody ages out of the value of the [TS]

  Nuyens but he was that he was in there [TS]

  and I think I think that was in there to [TS]

  there around [TS]

  yeah they've because they've tried and [TS]

  they've tried a couple times like with [TS]

  making the new that the old New Mutants [TS]

  they tried to make them the instructors [TS]

  for the New Mutants when they reviewed [TS]

  the series in the early Audis and on the [TS]

  one hand i'm glad to see everybody grew [TS]

  up and on the other hand I'm like you [TS]

  know you're still you know Scott Summers [TS]

  consider a few out and have Sam take [TS]

  over it wouldn't it wouldn't hurt [TS]

  nope but that's just my think he's like [TS]

  I said this is my squad ok Monty what's [TS]

  your what's your what's your next one [TS]

  Monty well I have won from the last [TS]

  couple years and one from the eighties [TS]

  I'm gonna go back to the beginning for [TS]

  this one [TS]

  the comic-book tales to astonish has [TS]

  been about a lot of different things [TS]

  it was about the Hulk for a long time [TS]

  usually teamed not teamed up at like [TS]

  back-to-back as there be a Hulk story [TS]

  and a submariner story or a whole story [TS]

  in a giant man story and before that it [TS]

  was ant-man and the wasp but I'm going [TS]

  all the way back to the first let's say [TS]

  couple years of it 1959 to 1961 that [TS]

  whoa tales to astonish one through [TS]

  twenty-four how this is pre fantastic [TS]

  for stuff and every issue is about giant [TS]

  ridiculous sci-fi monsters like just [TS]

  looking at these covers you've got [TS]

  the giant from outer space my max king [TS]

  of the mummies he's also joined tight [TS]

  and no monster that typewriter months [TS]

  from the dweller in the Black Swamp [TS]

  gorgonzola and here in a issue 13 is [TS]

  group the monster from Planet X and this [TS]

  is the same group we have now in [TS]

  guardians of the galaxy movies although [TS]

  here he talks mostly saying i am from [TS]

  Planet X I will destroy you if you look [TS]

  really carefully in the movie guardians [TS]

  of the galaxy during the mugshot seen [TS]

  you can see that groups origin planet is [TS]

  X I'm thrilled that they kept this [TS]

  because Groot is actually older than [TS]

  anything else that they're currently [TS]

  using is older than the Fantastic Four [TS]

  is older than fin fang foom i guess just [TS]

  just like Captain America right would be [TS]

  holder in the well write him [TS]

  sure you know sorry but then its crude [TS]

  crude is number two there [TS]

  I take it back fine I'll go back to [TS]

  saying hilarious names a creature from [TS]

  kroger gar ramen way to the supermarket [TS]

  ka rog ARR okay not the supermarket got [TS]

  a rogar every issue has like three or [TS]

  four stories they usually end with a [TS]

  really sub twilight zone twist they're [TS]

  all super super fun they do bring up my [TS]

  main complaint about Marvel unlimited [TS]

  which is I really wish they had the ads [TS]

  in these issues [TS]

  yeah because I want somebody telling me [TS]

  how to learn kung foo and selling me [TS]

  live monkeys i have the x-men the x-men [TS]

  DVD or or cd-rom or whatever it was that [TS]

  had all the issues in PDF format and [TS]

  they had all the ads in them and the ads [TS]

  show great they're so grave that you [TS]

  know those comments are just pdfs you [TS]

  cannot rip the DVD and then download all [TS]

  those onto your iPad yes don't really [TS]

  need to anymore but you can [TS]

  yes I've done that that's my pic tales [TS]

  to astonish was through let's say 24 and [TS]

  issue 13 is the one with Groot the [TS]

  monitoring of group [TS]

  from Planet X monster from Planet X he [TS]

  stomps around and tries to take over [TS]

  Earth but it turns out he's made of wood [TS]

  is not that great an idea know how to [TS]

  deal with wood Groot [TS]

  come on things yeah Planet X get it [TS]

  together okay chip your your your choice [TS]

  one of the glorious things about Marvel [TS]

  unlimited it happened with the departure [TS]

  of the star wars license from dark horse [TS]

  comics are we'll see what you picked and [TS]

  yeah let's go hope I'm i am not going to [TS]

  pick the entirety of the star wars [TS]

  franchise good [TS]

  only a monster would do that Jack's on [TS]

  his mind [TS]

  the other big comic that I was into that [TS]

  got me back into comics was the Marvel [TS]

  Star Wars run in the eighties back when [TS]

  there was no such thing as an expanded [TS]

  universe there was no such thing as [TS]

  continuity and one of the one of the [TS]

  things that you ought to use marvel [TS]

  unlimited for because it's cheaper than [TS]

  buying these individual issues on [TS]

  comixology is the runs of curiosities [TS]

  not that are not necessarily worth [TS]

  spending a lot of money on the [TS]

  individual issues for but you should [TS]

  just take a look at that so my pic is [TS]

  the run of Star Wars comics that takes [TS]

  place after Return of the Jedi issues 81 [TS]

  2107 just for the sheer weirdness factor [TS]

  of Marvel sitting there going okay what [TS]

  do we do now there's no Lucas storey [TS]

  group there's nothing so they just try [TS]

  to figure out what they're going to do [TS]

  with uh with a galaxy where the [TS]

  Emperor's just dead and there are [TS]

  remnants of the Imperials going at each [TS]

  other and what they they do a couple of [TS]

  sort of interesting things is they bring [TS]

  in outside aliens [TS]

  this is well before the Yuuzhan Vong in [TS]

  the Expanded Universe but they bring in [TS]

  and out they bring in a couple of [TS]

  external threats they also bring in an [TS]

  artist named Cynthia Martin [TS]

  who is doing at this point art that you [TS]

  cannot see in any other Marvel comic [TS]

  anywhere very stylized very manga [TS]

  influence that's almost like a nut nagel [TS]

  Miguel painting kinda live final know [TS]

  how to pronounce these things navel in [TS]

  any way her art is beautiful it is it is [TS]

  just it i have never seen Star Wars look [TS]

  like that before or sins so vaguely I'm [TS]

  saying issues 81 threw 107 of Star Wars [TS]

  but specifically the later into the run [TS]

  when they're about to wind it up they [TS]

  know that they're going to be canceling [TS]

  it and they just do whatever they want [TS]

  the art looks great and you've got alien [TS]

  you've gots eltron aliens name tomorrow [TS]

  and Bob and Rahul and it's just funny [TS]

  you say that that whole Star Wars run [TS]

  prior to the new like 2013 Marvel [TS]

  published comics it every single one of [TS]

  those issues is on unlimited it's it is [TS]

  it is a very very deep rabbit hole with [TS]

  many branches that you can that you can [TS]

  follow along and space right hole [TS]

  yeah without what I I wouldn't say that [TS]

  it's something that I could justifies a [TS]

  pic on its own but similar on a similar [TS]

  note of continuing things the very last [TS]

  run of Star Wars legacy comics they did [TS]

  co-written by gabriel Hardman karina [TS]

  bitch go who have an image book called [TS]

  the invisible republic right now are set [TS]

  like a hundred and forty years after [TS]

  Return of the Jedi and and are really [TS]

  good fun [TS]

  Star Wars comics I i could not echo your [TS]

  sentiments any better and if you read [TS]

  issue one you can see Darth Vader uh [TS]

  levitate a cup of coffee because that's [TS]

  the thing he doesn't think it's weird [TS]

  noise that's what's your choice i have a [TS]

  creator centric one that that also bends [TS]

  the rules of time and space but in a way [TS]

  that no way in a way that won't be so [TS]

  all-encompassing is as crossovers and [TS]

  everything [TS]

  one of the things that I run into that I [TS]

  think always run into is oh god I love [TS]

  the work of creator blank [TS]

  and oh yeah I've heard it's great [TS]

  however this is great [TS]

  one of them in particular who was taken [TS]

  from us far too early an age is mark [TS]

  gruenwald and he he had this magnificent [TS]

  run on Captain America that included [TS]

  something that that some people would [TS]

  make fun of and something that i have [TS]

  read and don't find nearly as laugh [TS]

  inducing or mock worthy as other people [TS]

  do and that is the infamous cap wolf run [TS]

  where Captain America is turned into a [TS]

  werewolf and and i use it as an example [TS]

  in in my pic being the Marvel work of [TS]

  mark gruenwald because their stuff like [TS]

  that that is something that you see in [TS]

  listicles as a joke all the time their [TS]

  stuff like his run on squadron supreme [TS]

  in the mid-eighties that is really great [TS]

  and in fact bits and pieces of it i [TS]

  think our or somehow making it into this [TS]

  season of agents of shield mark [TS]

  gruenwald was the creator editor at [TS]

  Marvel who was the living encyclopedia [TS]

  of all things more when he had all of [TS]

  the issue numbers in the back of his [TS]

  head could just rattle them off to you [TS]

  easy just without any effort you know [TS]

  I'm sad that the the new universe stuff [TS]

  that he wrote the various other people [TS]

  wrote aren't on Marvel unlimited because [TS]

  some of those books really really really [TS]

  good but what there is a partner in [TS]

  walls work which is all in the main [TS]

  marvel universe is all over limited 111 [TS]

  comic that was there was a weird [TS]

  formative influence on me that i got in [TS]

  this year's wish book cardboard box of a [TS]

  bunch of Marvel Comics was Captain [TS]

  America 395 written by Grunwald with [TS]

  captain america and thor on the cover [TS]

  covered in some sort of viscous material [TS]

  and the caption on the on the cover says [TS]

  the house that dripped ellipses dough [TS]

  interrobang and concepts that stupid and [TS]

  crazy on on on the cover of a comic mark [TS]

  gruenwald could make absolutely [TS]

  fascinating reading in the in the pages [TS]

  in between the two covers where what you [TS]

  get on that cover is this looks [TS]

  ridiculous and then on the inside you [TS]

  you find [TS]

  the Red Skull hooking up a hot tub with [TS]

  Madame Hydra and just all kinds of [TS]

  bizarre super comic booky things so so i [TS]

  would say the the work of mark gruenwald [TS]

  as as an example of a creator that [TS]

  people talk about people know and honor [TS]

  and respect but you you can do one of [TS]

  those really crazy deep dives on all [TS]

  kinds of stuff that that people don't [TS]

  write listicles about you know what was [TS]

  the best time that Captain America died [TS]

  sorry spoiler alert that that kind of [TS]

  thing a really wonderful really [TS]

  wonderful human being much much beloved [TS]

  much missed by a lot of people who knew [TS]

  him myself not included I just knew him [TS]

  by his work well once more moisture is [TS]

  has a condo in my head and I think I and [TS]

  I think we're we're time-sharing here [TS]

  because he sniped me again I this but i [TS]

  will call out the my pick would have [TS]

  been captain america issues 332 350 [TS]

  which was the captain america no more [TS]

  storyline where he where the government [TS]

  tries to rein steve rogers in and Steve [TS]

  quits day and almost all right ish a [TS]

  good old boy from the south [TS]

  uh takes over as captain america Steve [TS]

  Rogers takes and takes on a new identity [TS]

  as the captain so he can keep on doing [TS]

  his thing and hilarity ensues and [TS]

  culminates in the rebirth after a lot of [TS]

  years of the red skull so and that that [TS]

  I think is mark gruenwald at his best if [TS]

  you omit the squadron supreme all right [TS]

  i'm gonna go in i'm gonna get on the [TS]

  Star Wars train to chip cover train of [TS]

  some sort soon space training to start [TS]

  rain i am going to recommend from the [TS]

  you know Marvel and Disney and Lucasfilm [TS]

  all part of the same big happy family [TS]

  the return of Star Wars comics to marvel [TS]

  i'm going to recommend Karen Gillan's [TS]

  Darth Vader series which I like a lot [TS]

  and has in its the most evil droids you [TS]

  will ever ever murdered roid triple zero [TS]

  oh it's uh and and I i was thinking like [TS]

  a Darth Vader comic I don't know how [TS]

  they're going to do that but the it's [TS]

  it's set between star wars empire [TS]

  strikes back where Darth Vader is [TS]

  actually kind of in trouble because he [TS]

  let the Death Star get blown up and so [TS]

  the Emperor he's come on the outside the [TS]

  Emperor said some on some kind of crappy [TS]

  missions and he needs to prove himself [TS]

  again and he runs into this bounty [TS]

  hunter and her to murder droids and he [TS]

  sends around submissions and it's it is [TS]

  really good so if you've ever thought [TS]

  like a Star Wars comic I don't know [TS]

  about that and there was obviously the [TS]

  big publicity about the other the the [TS]

  main course Star Wars comic but give the [TS]

  darth vader ongoing series look it's [TS]

  from number one I it's a lot of fun and [TS]

  Yammer droids they're amazing [TS]

  it only just concluded so you're only a [TS]

  few months behind on it and it is it is [TS]

  it is a very very solid two-year Run on [TS]

  on the character and I it is it is one [TS]

  of those comics in the the whole Star [TS]

  Wars line is so good but it's the one [TS]

  that I tell people if you read this and [TS]

  don't like it I don't know that you're [TS]

  going to like any of Marvel's new Star [TS]

  Wars comics because you don't like good [TS]

  comics it's so good it's so so good so 1 [TS]

  225 is the total run of the storyline [TS]

  marvel unlimited trailing behind a [TS]

  little bit as up to 19 now but there's a [TS]

  new one every month that gets added so [TS]

  you won't be that far behind and if [TS]

  you're really into it you can go buy [TS]

  those digital issues or or or physical [TS]

  issues somewhere else if you want to the [TS]

  Marvel would love for you to get so [TS]

  hooked on the comic using marvel [TS]

  unlimited that you have to go buy copies [TS]

  and the as they're released [TS]

  that's there that's part of the game [TS]

  let's do another round Lisa oh gosh um [TS]

  I'm torn because i have i have four more [TS]

  pics on my list i really hope you're not [TS]

  doing for more round so this is fucking [TS]

  hot [TS]

  thank you um so I think the one I'm [TS]

  going to actually pick is a fairly [TS]

  recent series secret avengers that has [TS]

  been running since 2014 to the present [TS]

  and for those of you who are like me and [TS]

  like dead tree media they've also got a [TS]

  couple trades out [TS]

  and the whole point behind secret [TS]

  avengers is a group of people who do the [TS]

  work that needs to be done in the dark [TS]

  and nick fury and Agent Coulson are the [TS]

  ones who curl them and it's got Hawkeye [TS]

  Black Widow Jessica drew and kind of [TS]

  like you know you think I wouldn't blank [TS]

  on the guy who is basically a giant [TS]

  round head and tail arms and legs but [TS]

  our dog Charlie Brown MODOK thankyou [TS]

  thankyou was blanketed a very [TS]

  embarrassing yes yes they keep pulling a [TS]

  world domination for MODOK it's very sad [TS]

  he'll never trust Lucy but secret [TS]

  avengers what I like about it is it's um [TS]

  shows a bunch of people who are [TS]

  pragmatic but they don't have the kind [TS]

  of focused nastiness that tends to [TS]

  permit the ultimate's universe which was [TS]

  one of the things i found a feeling [TS]

  about the ultimate's universe as much [TS]

  more pragmatic and a lot of ways and [TS]

  very realpolitik about this is what we [TS]

  doing this why we do it but on the other [TS]

  hand it seems like a lot of the [TS]

  characters are nasty because they could [TS]

  be or because they're like well screw [TS]

  you I'm i have a bow and arrow what are [TS]

  you gonna do about it [TS]

  whereas in this one the nastiness is [TS]

  down considerably the pragmatism is up [TS]

  Coulson gets flushed out a lot and I [TS]

  also one of the reasons I'm so taken [TS]

  with this series i really enjoy how he's [TS]

  been just kind of folded into the [TS]

  marvelous folded back into the Marvel [TS]

  Universe like that he's a character in a [TS]

  really weird interesting history now [TS]

  when you think about it from you know [TS]

  his introduction in the MCU to his cross [TS]

  over to this medium to the way that that [TS]

  has continuity is taking off in a [TS]

  completely different direction that [TS]

  what's going on TV anyway it's um heck a [TS]

  lot of fun to read and I like the RTR is [TS]

  very pretty very modern and of course [TS]

  there's a dead polishes everything [TS]

  everything comes together they're [TS]

  currently 15 issues right now it's so [TS]

  it's again it's a it's a night's work to [TS]

  sit down and read them or rather a [TS]

  tonight's entertainment generate them [TS]

  and you know everybody else's is busy [TS]

  same please read this decade's worth of [TS]

  comics I'm saying please read really [TS]

  really you're in change [TS]

  it's it's it's entertaining it's fun and [TS]

  I think it'll whet your appetite for you [TS]

  know other other books that have [TS]

  different aspects of shield I'm [TS]

  perennially fascinated by all the diff [TS]

  all of the different permutations [TS]

  Shields has both public and not [TS]

  like and this sort of fields into the [TS]

  contention that every agents need the [TS]

  black ops team and I'll and I like this [TS]

  one that gets silly and ridiculous [TS]

  toward the end of that run I i love that [TS]

  one [TS]

  Monty i was going to pick something [TS]

  respectable but i'm not going well i [TS]

  started a little so if anyone wants to [TS]

  jump on the matt fraction run on Hawkeye [TS]

  you are free to do so i'm going to [TS]

  suggest the fun thing about Marvel [TS]

  unlimited is that they haven't put any [TS]

  sort of quality control things that they [TS]

  might be embarrassed about running no oh [TS]

  no I think you might have got water by [TS]

  secret terrible thing that's tricky [TS]

  because i have a [TS]

  because i have a [TS]

  list of five terrible things i'm picking [TS]

  from right now but what I'm going to go [TS]

  with God is the Mephisto limited series [TS]

  haha wow why worry what I want to [TS]

  because i think what's great about [TS]

  Marvel unlimited like say is you can go [TS]

  get the weird little things they did [TS]

  they also have the Rocket Raccoon [TS]

  limited series which is Rockets origin [TS]

  story and it is crazy crazy not that [TS]

  makes no sense from a circus world you [TS]

  could go find parts it's true what is [TS]

  the count what's the kids the one from [TS]

  1985 the duration t get up for forget [TS]

  mr. my new pic Rocket Raccoon the market [TS]

  regulation 1985 1240 my car so is it [TS]

  there sometimes excited body needs to [TS]

  that does the doors open like five [TS]

  thousand clowns pour out and they're [TS]

  also a different district is it isn't [TS]

  that isn't that that is that much a [TS]

  straight line between the metaphor the [TS]

  me more than that it's very hard to [TS]

  explain but everybody's looking for this [TS]

  book and there's a whole bunch of [TS]

  mutated animals but they don't know [TS]

  their mutated animals and there's killer [TS]

  clown bots and it's crazy nuts the cover [TS]

  the fourth issues rocket raccoon with a [TS]

  sword in his left hand and a decapitated [TS]

  clown head is right writing a robot [TS]

  horse [TS]

  yeah it is i feel like we need to make [TS]

  this a mean 22 symbol to signify the end [TS]

  of this year like we just have to pick [TS]

  it we can do it i feel so I feel very [TS]

  strongly in our powers let's do it i'm [TS]

  going to draw Rocket Raccoon as the [TS]

  summation of the various limited series [TS]

  like you can also find longshot 124 [TS]

  which by the way was our atoms first [TS]

  work well I mean just to go back to [TS]

  rocket raccoon I mean that miniseries it [TS]

  was is written by Bill Matlow with mike [TS]

  mignola doing the pencils i mean it's [TS]

  not like a random people it's serious [TS]

  creators making the rec room is it [TS]

  series creators making something [TS]

  completely nonsensical that is now a [TS]

  cornerstone of the Marvel Empire [TS]

  yeah and it's super fun so my official [TS]

  pic is Rocket Raccoon ok also go read my [TS]

  fist oh but this was fun the devil gets [TS]

  the fights for the fantastic 4 X Factor [TS]

  x-men and The Avengers inhale of course [TS]

  all canon alright a chip what do you [TS]

  have [TS]

  I've got so much time just gonna have to [TS]

  barrel through when we bring out their [TS]

  dead but i'm going to pick possibly the [TS]

  best single comic I ever published by [TS]

  Marvel now that's too much but it's the [TS]

  building has a rocket raccoon America is [TS]

  the best fantastic for comic ever [TS]

  published by Marvel and that is [TS]

  fantastic for 60 new series not all [TS]

  written by Mark Waid and drawn by [TS]

  Michael gringo it is the first issue of [TS]

  mark waid's run and I cannot tell you [TS]

  that anybody else before or since has [TS]

  nailed the Fantastic Four and who they [TS]

  are and ought to be as comic book [TS]

  characters this comic book should have [TS]

  been the pages should have been taken [TS]

  out and they should have been stapled [TS]

  onto the chest of the people responsible [TS]

  for all three of the fantastic four [TS]

  movies that have been that have been [TS]

  released on the big screens waits a [TS]

  fantastic comic writer I think he's made [TS]

  best known for for his run on the flash [TS]

  in the nineties but I i cant its 22 22 [TS]

  pages if I describe it [TS]

  I'm think I'm going to be giving away [TS]

  too much about it but if you want to see [TS]

  an absolutely human in a portrayal of [TS]

  mr. fantastic and why a guy would name [TS]

  himself mr. fantastic if you want to see [TS]

  Reed and Sue and Johnny and Ben and Reed [TS]

  and Sue's kids as a family for without [TS]

  with all the pros and cons and the thing [TS]

  that the thing about this is it [TS]

  establishes the Fantastic Four not as [TS]

  superheroes but as explorers into the [TS]

  unknown and it just dives into that and [TS]

  the comics that succeeded issues 6370 [TS]

  and then they went through [TS]

  the number change fit 500 25 24 it's a [TS]

  spectacular run of fantastic four [TS]

  stories but fantastic 460 is a beautiful [TS]

  moving inspiring story about the first [TS]

  family of Marvel Comics that's great [TS]

  i'll check that out I always looking for [TS]

  new Fantastic Four runs when they've got [TS]

  600 issues it's kinda hard to choose [TS]

  so i will check that out that's great [TS]

  Mike Weir ago passed away way too soon [TS]

  he was a lie i'm from durham north [TS]

  carolina so was he [TS]

  I saw him every once in awhile at the [TS]

  occasional North Carolina comic [TS]

  convention he has an outsized influence [TS]

  on the comics industry and you're [TS]

  hard-pressed to find any comics artist [TS]

  these days who doesn't point to him as [TS]

  both a good guy and a really really [TS]

  spectacular artists all right is what's [TS]

  your last pic I've broken so many rules [TS]

  I've bent the rules of space-time but [TS]

  they're there is nothing in Marvel [TS]

  Comics history that is bent the Marvel [TS]

  Universe more than a series that they [TS]

  they don't make anymore they haven't [TS]

  made a long time a little series called [TS]

  what if yes haha entire catalog of [TS]

  Marvel what if is on Marvel unlimited [TS]

  and I can't just pick one run because [TS]

  every issue is a one-off one shot [TS]

  yeah it is fascinating nihilistic [TS]

  terribly depressing extremely uplifting [TS]

  in some cases you know what is usually [TS]

  everyone dies [TS]

  yes what if spider-man's clone had lived [TS]

  you know the one from the seventies not [TS]

  the one from the nineties what if Jane [TS]

  Foster held the power of Thor huh [TS]

  interesting what if they're at the the [TS]

  thing I find fascinating is that the [TS]

  water if series has become something of [TS]

  a springboard for the way that Marvel is [TS]

  choosing to bend their own rules break [TS]

  their own rules and do interesting [TS]

  things and i would not forgive myself if [TS]

  I did not choose Marvel what if I [TS]

  absolutely loved what if any pic the one [TS]

  of the Avengers have become pawns of [TS]

  quarterback which is this very strange [TS]

  very specific bit of continuity and yet [TS]

  it's and that's a mark gruenwald [TS]

  actually story [TS]

  yeah it is mine [TS]

  glowing because it not spoiler alert for [TS]

  whatever issue number 32 but it ends [TS]

  with not just everybody dying but the [TS]

  universe being completely destroyed and [TS]

  then there's a little bit of story after [TS]

  that it's kind of amazing the kids an [TS]

  amazing weird story so I love what if [TS]

  someone yeah what if what if Rick Jones [TS]

  has become the hulk what if dr. strange [TS]

  became a disciple of Dormammu what if [TS]

  the Avengers that fought evil in the [TS]

  nineteen fifties the the very first one [TS]

  though [TS]

  what if spider-man had joined the [TS]

  Fantastic Four to form the fantastic [TS]

  five [TS]

  there's also a pretty good what a marvel [TS]

  superheroes module for the tsr game [TS]

  called gates of what if i remember [TS]

  really enjoying playing through ah what [TS]

  if so I'm gonna I'm gonna wrap it up and [TS]

  and i'm going to so Monty mentioned the [TS]

  the fraction Hawkeye series which I felt [TS]

  like it could have been my first pick [TS]

  we talked about it a lot and and did an [TS]

  issue did an episode about it does he [TS]

  can make just a quick recommendation [TS]

  because if you are going to load up the [TS]

  Hawkeye Matt Fraction run load all of [TS]

  the covers and then scroll through and [TS]

  marvel at how definitely they change out [TS]

  the color schemes from issue number one [TS]

  all the way up to issue number 22 it is [TS]

  i didn't realize how craft again this is [TS]

  limitation of this is the limitation of [TS]

  being on trade paperbacks is I didn't [TS]

  realize how carefully and how craftily [TS]

  it was done until like I could until I [TS]

  can follow the visual story from issue 1 [TS]

  all the way through the issue 22 and [TS]

  like just scroll back and forth and [TS]

  appreciate that for a bit before you [TS]

  even get to the rest of it i just wanted [TS]

  I just want to get that you can't yeah [TS]

  and if you if you haven't read for God's [TS]

  sake go and do that but I'm going to do [TS]

  the ultimate the alternate pic here [TS]

  which is matt fraction and and some of [TS]

  his collaborators on Hawkeye worked with [TS]

  that Brubaker and did a run of immortal [TS]

  iron fist from 2006 issues 1 through 16 [TS]

  that is a really fun story and I never [TS]

  really cared at all about iron fist but [TS]

  there's a lot of very interesting things [TS]

  in it and luke cage and jessica jones [TS]

  make some appearances and it's got a [TS]

  really interesting story there's a [TS]

  dragon [TS]

  it's fun and so if you if you read [TS]

  Hawkeye cuz you should [TS]

  is everybody should read that and you're [TS]

  like where do I go next maybe try [TS]

  immortal iron fist 12 16 from 2006 it [TS]

  rehabilitates a lot of aspects of the [TS]

  character that have been not great for [TS]

  decades yeah exactly right now and [TS]

  Friday moment to have like really and [TS]

  then i read i was like oh actually yeah [TS]

  it's this like could good job everybody [TS]

  this really good yeah yeah so i [TS]

  recommend a moral iron fist a lot [TS]

  all right it is time now for us to just [TS]

  list off all the many many things that [TS]

  we wish we could have talked about but [TS]

  ran out of time to talk about [TS]

  bring out your dead Lisa what do you [TS]

  have left on your list that you didn't [TS]

  get to recommend ok the two quick its [TS]

  i'm going to do number one is aj michael [TS]

  Straczynski series from 2007-2008 called [TS]

  the twelve which use is going back to [TS]

  the Troops yes he's going back to the [TS]

  troops of the Golden Age it feels like a [TS]

  more JK it I the reason I i began [TS]

  surfing through it was I looked at the [TS]

  covers like this has kind of a watchman [TS]

  feel to it in the sense that somebody [TS]

  who's taking the troops of comics the [TS]

  history of comics and playing with a [TS]

  little bit and I'm a sucker for JMS [TS]

  world-building I will complain until [TS]

  they I will complain until my last [TS]

  breath about the way why rising stars [TS]

  ended like you I could do a podcast on [TS]

  that but i always get sucked into how [TS]

  definitely he builds worlds and how [TS]

  quickly he builds out three-dimensional [TS]

  characters and establishes relationships [TS]

  between characters just by dialogue and [TS]

  so for somebody who really likes GMS [TS]

  this is a fun read and I really enjoy [TS]

  the art and I enjoy where it's going and [TS]

  the covers are our separate our software [TS]

  again you just there's a lot of pleasure [TS]

  to be had and scrolling through and [TS]

  taking a look at the stories of the [TS]

  covers telling the other series i was [TS]

  going to recommend a rather serious run [TS]

  i really loved Peter David's work on X [TS]

  Factor and I was going to urge everybody [TS]

  to read X Factor probably through i want [TS]

  to say about issue number 40 maybe issue [TS]

  42 issue 39 have was like one of those [TS]

  horrifying things i've ever read my life [TS]

  if you are a new parent never read this [TS]

  issue but Peter David did such a great [TS]

  job with characters who are normally big [TS]

  who are normally just you know throw [TS]

  into the background of scenes when [TS]

  sounds like we need a lot of x-men to [TS]

  make it look like they're fighting and [TS]

  it focuses on Jamie madrix launching a [TS]

  product of a private investigation [TS]

  service [TS]

  he's got a Monet Sinclair no moneys in [TS]

  LA as his as his second-in-command he's [TS]

  got siren who is the daughter banshee [TS]

  there's rain Sinclair from the new x-men [TS]

  and they basically like go around [TS]

  solving solving crimes for people and [TS]

  complicating this is layla miller who [TS]

  knows things and magics as clones all [TS]

  over the country that he sent out to go [TS]

  get education and information [TS]

  experiences so he could become more real [TS]

  more well-rounded person and hunting [TS]

  down reabsorbing these clothes take some [TS]

  time to so anyway it's it's it's funny [TS]

  it's thoughtful it's a little bit dark [TS]

  and one of the things I really love [TS]

  about it is they've got Glenn fate they [TS]

  got time Glenn favorite doing a bunch of [TS]

  the covers as well and I love his covers [TS]

  so it's just been a real pleasure to go [TS]

  back [TS]

  visit that series visit a bunch of [TS]

  covers and oh it looks so those are the [TS]

  two that that I would enjoy and again [TS]

  not a huge time commitment is kind of [TS]

  fun but for the love of God stop [TS]

  somewhere in the forties like X Factor [TS]

  ran for like 262 issues but after the [TS]

  first few years just like oh really [TS]

  really this is what's going on [TS]

  so you know right stop in the forties in [TS]

  your top of the forties that's it [TS]

  I Monty what did you not pick that you'd [TS]

  like to mention i have four things [TS]

  really quick i normally find the Hulk [TS]

  boring because I just want him to be [TS]

  punching things more often so go [TS]

  straight to the incredible hulk number [TS]

  92 which is where planet hulk begins the [TS]

  Hulk has been shoved off the earth [TS]

  because everybody sick of dealing with [TS]

  him he lands another planet and punches [TS]

  everybody through the issue 105 then [TS]

  giant-sized alt number one then world [TS]

  war hulk which is when he comes back to [TS]

  earth and he's very very angry at [TS]

  everybody who threw him off onto another [TS]

  planet [TS]

  that's an incredible hulk number 92 [TS]

  through 15 and then world war hulk and [TS]

  it's so much Hulk punching it is the [TS]

  best Hawking I've ever seen [TS]

  I own the planet whole card cover and I [TS]

  love it's a great it's a great story [TS]

  because he is literally like what if the [TS]

  Hulk went to an alien planet and had to [TS]

  survive there and it's like yeah you [TS]

  know what he's gonna do we're gonna [TS]

  punch a lot of people that's what's [TS]

  gonna happen let's make the Hulk a [TS]

  gladiator [TS]

  well okay the the implications of it [TS]

  have ever berated through marvel comics [TS]

  ever since and it was a way to take him [TS]

  off the board for civil war [TS]

  yeah the limited series spider-man and [TS]

  the x-men that's a six-issue limited [TS]

  series written by elliott kalyan of the [TS]

  flophouse is super funny that was on my [TS]

  list to it has been and we may have seen [TS]

  floating around the internet where he [TS]

  says something to the effect of you have [TS]

  this power you could be carrying people [TS]

  of cancer and a dinosaur says I don't [TS]

  want to cure people of cancer i want to [TS]

  turn people into dinosaurs which is such [TS]

  a spiffy way to describe a villains [TS]

  mindset tutor people [TS]

  yes because of that run I now here [TS]

  Elliot kalyn's voice in my head when I [TS]

  read Peter Parker is spider-man that's [TS]

  not that is the voice of Peter Parker to [TS]

  be I think sergeant fury and his Howling [TS]

  Commandos a super-fun you starts back in [TS]

  1963 when start appearing sergeant Nick [TS]

  period six-foot-two of seal muscled iron [TS]

  nerve fighting man and it's just a good [TS]

  jack kirby is fun and finally I think a [TS]

  very important limited series for what [TS]

  characters would end up controlling the [TS]

  Marvel Universe 1984 Kitty Pryde and [TS]

  Wolverine yes I think that's wasn't [TS]

  serious [TS]

  that's where they go to Japan you see [TS]

  Kitty Pryde be a little tougher you see [TS]

  wolverine start to get a sensitive side [TS]

  that and the wolverine limited series [TS]

  are I think why [TS]

  Wolverine has like 10 million titles and [TS]

  Marvel unlimited [TS]

  yeah you can see it beginning there and [TS]

  it's really great [TS]

  okay chip what do you have left ok I've [TS]

  got a lot but i'll make them fast [TS]

  adventures around issues 273 277 this is [TS]

  around the time that Roger stern and [TS]

  John piscina and Tom Palmer did the [TS]

  Masters of evil storyline where we're [TS]

  like the fourth group of supervillains [TS]

  call the Masters of evil invaded the [TS]

  Avengers mansion beat the hell out of [TS]

  Jarvis trash too trashed all of Steve [TS]

  Rogers is priced mementos of his [TS]

  childhood things like that it was up it [TS]

  was pretty good stuff there up [TS]

  Strikeforce moratorium was a series [TS]

  written by peter Gillis not part of the [TS]

  Marvel Universe future people get turned [TS]

  into superheroes to try to defend earth [TS]

  from an alien invasion that is not going [TS]

  well for the humans catch is the process [TS]

  of turning the heroes in turning them [TS]

  into superheroes is inevitably fatal [TS]

  within a year [TS]

  the series ran for a long time but I [TS]

  think issues 1 through 20 / where which [TS]

  were written by pierre Gillis are the [TS]

  good ones only the first three are [TS]

  available marvel unlimited but worth [TS]

  worth checking out those three the thing [TS]

  written by Dan Slott before he has [TS]

  amazing spider-man dan slott the thing [TS]

  used to be [TS]

  marvel's mascot he used to be really [TS]

  really big in the nineteen seventies and [TS]

  dan slott writes this miniseries as if [TS]

  the thing had always been the most [TS]

  important character in Marvel and it's [TS]

  just tons of fun [TS]

  JMS is run on spider-man started better [TS]

  than it finished issue have 33 [TS]

  that's the most generous thing i've ever [TS]

  heard he said about that run ya so I [TS]

  i recommend i recommend the issues that [TS]

  John Romita drew so that's from where [TS]

  JMS started with issue 3358 then another [TS]

  numbering change issues 535 oh wait i [TS]

  think you get solid quality in those [TS]

  runs it was it is my favorite take it [TS]

  spider-man and it's just a little [TS]

  disappointing that it didn't finish [TS]

  quite so well yeah uh Wolverine both [TS]

  runs the series by paul cornell 13 13 [TS]

  and 12 12 made me care about the [TS]

  character again in a way that i hadn't [TS]

  cared about the character since way back [TS]

  in the marvel comics presents days and [TS]

  the first few issues of this solo title [TS]

  that were written by Chris Claremont and [TS]

  had him doing the Terry and the Pirates [TS]

  thing in mod report i actually liked [TS]

  that [TS]

  and finally strange 2004 miniseries [TS]

  Marvel Knights co-written by JMS and [TS]

  Sarah quote Sam close quote Barnes it's [TS]

  a little weird cause it sort of turns a [TS]

  doctor strange into kind of a matrix [TS]

  kind of thing but it it's a it's tough [TS]

  it's a fresh kind of modern reimagine [TS]

  you might call ultimate Doctor Strange [TS]

  only it wasn't Ultimate Universe but [TS]

  it's a lot of fun [TS]

  ok my sense what's on your list what's [TS]

  left [TS]

  I've got to about 7 billion things [TS]

  unitedly also Marvel Comics all of them [TS]

  because it is truly unlimited the longer [TS]

  run type stuff [TS]

  ed Brubaker's are run on Captain America [TS]

  much of it drawn by steve epting he has [TS]

  been doing a bunch of creator-owned [TS]

  stuff with including the winter soldier [TS]

  arc which is you know you got mark [TS]

  gruenwald captain america and that's [TS]

  great and i love it registers got some [TS]

  cool stuff to a baker amazing amazing [TS]

  run on Captain America you know what [TS]

  other stories would he have to write [TS]

  after all that stuff a huge favorite of [TS]

  mine that I keep telling myself I'm [TS]

  gonna buy the Omnibus hardcover of is [TS]

  the X statics run by peter milligan and [TS]

  mike allred which started out in x-force [TS]

  issue 1 16 and then ran into a [TS]

  rebranding of the title into X statics [TS]

  which is truly one of the most bizarre [TS]

  crazy and wonderful and delightful and [TS]

  fun superhero longer [TS]

  turns out they're also on the long run [TS]

  side of things all of runways is on [TS]

  there [TS]

  yeah somehow that is has been discussed [TS]

  here on the show on the shorter run side [TS]

  of things I the the estimable gentleman [TS]

  to my podcast left mentioned the thing [TS]

  miniseries by Dan Slott i would bring up [TS]

  dance lots run on she-hulk from 2004 [TS]

  which went through one volume and then [TS]

  started over a new number one issue this [TS]

  is something we've discussed on this [TS]

  episode already it happens it happens [TS]

  welcome to comedies very fun notable for [TS]

  the the moment in the courtroom where [TS]

  spider-man is a spider and why why is it [TS]

  that you think the j jonah Jameson [TS]

  really just has it in for you [TS]

  spider-man's as well you know i think [TS]

  it's it's because i'm black and jenna [TS]

  jameson just walked up but but but I [TS]

  mean I did some of my best friends are [TS]

  and I and I'm just kidding just kidding [TS]

  is only are black [TS]

  yeah but yeah it's a it's one of those [TS]

  really perfect high-concept pitches is [TS]

  ok she hulk is ally mcbeal but she walks [TS]

  out so there you go on the on the [TS]

  shorter run side of things a criminally [TS]

  under red minis untended miniseries [TS]

  should have been an ongoing fearless [TS]

  defenders written by common bond drawn [TS]

  by will slide knee which is a defender [TS]

  series with an all-female cast and at [TS]

  one point all of those woman's boyfriend [TS]

  show up and show up to prove just how [TS]

  useless they are Osborne miniseries [TS]

  co-written by kelly sue deconnick in [TS]

  warren ellis with our by Emma Rios one [TS]

  of my favorite bad guy miniseries out [TS]

  there also on the bad guy side of things [TS]

  magneto written by common bond and drawn [TS]

  by gabriel Walter very very recent [TS]

  actually and a book that i was [TS]

  immediately hooked from the word go a [TS]

  couple of Doctor Strange mini series [TS]

  Doctor Strange the oath which when [TS]

  people ask is there a quick way into dr. [TS]

  strange in the comics i say yes start [TS]

  with that start with the oath written by [TS]

  bryan cave on with art by Marcus Martin [TS]

  who went on to do a really great series [TS]

  called the private eye which I urge [TS]

  people to seek out even though it's not [TS]

  a marvel unlimited has no [TS]

  indeed with Marvel but it's just so good [TS]

  and the other the other doctor strange [TS]

  uh well it was an original graphic novel [TS]

  I with art by Mark manila mike mignola [TS]

  got its it's so late and I'm so a Titan [TS]

  in knots by marvel comics that I am i [TS]

  messing up my words is dr. strange dr. [TS]

  doom triumphant torment which puts these [TS]

  two characters who have magic in common [TS]

  together for the first time and results [TS]

  in an interesting way [TS]

  leave it at that the the the other oh [TS]

  this creators whole body of work that [TS]

  that I would have mentioned would've [TS]

  been Steve gerber lots of howard the [TS]

  duck stuff [TS]

  omega the unknown if anybody knows what [TS]

  that is you know there's all right in [TS]

  the middle there you go see that and [TS]

  that's why it only lasted 10 issues lots [TS]

  of really great work by stevers writer [TS]

  out there the vision series by tom king [TS]

  and Gabriel Walter the artist for [TS]

  magneto six issues of that is unlimited [TS]

  now and it is so good yeah if I know [TS]

  many people who have just dropped all of [TS]

  their Marvel books except for this one [TS]

  which is going to go to 12 issues and [TS]

  then it's done because now Tom King is [TS]

  exclusive to DC because I guess they cut [TS]

  the bigger check and then I had three [TS]

  completely ridiculous ones uh one of [TS]

  them being a one-shot that came to [TS]

  marvel with the Star Wars acquisition [TS]

  and that being Sergio Aragones top star [TS]

  wars which is so good because it's if [TS]

  you know groove you know Sergio Aragones [TS]

  it is everything Sergio Aragones and [TS]

  everything the title says and what is [TS]

  actually a pair of things there is [TS]

  lockjaw and the pet Avengers and tales [TS]

  of the pet Avengers yes they're there [TS]

  are there is a super pet team book and [TS]

  at least there has been twice [TS]

  nobody knows that it exists and it's one [TS]

  of those weird outliers and most [TS]

  ridiculous thing I the models inc [TS]

  miniseries written by Paul Tobin with [TS]

  art by Jorge Molina which was which was [TS]

  a way to I guess use models inc the [TS]

  license and [TS]

  bring back classic marvel character [TS]

  Millie the model model Millie the model [TS]

  it's only four issues long and it's [TS]

  actually really well written and every [TS]

  cover looks like the cover of a magazine [TS]

  look at that a marathon brand could that [TS]

  be and and yeah i i'm i'm sad that there [TS]

  were a number of things that I was like [TS]

  I'll just put this on my list and surely [TS]

  that's on Marvel unlimited but no the [TS]

  crew by Christopher priest not unlimited [TS]

  slingers which was a kid team book that [TS]

  spun out of spider-man having to create [TS]

  for other identities in the nineties [TS]

  that's not on their superior foes of [TS]

  spider-man also not on there but even [TS]

  even without those there's all this [TS]

  ridiculous crap that I've been speaking [TS]

  about Helen much money i will i will say [TS]

  it back to my earlier point about them [TS]

  sort of progressing and although it's [TS]

  not great it's better than it was i am [TS]

  impressed that every week there are our [TS]

  another 30 or 50 issues old issues that [TS]

  get dumped on Marvel unlimited in [TS]

  addition to whatever is new and it's [TS]

  whatever it has their attention that [TS]

  month right like hey the new leu kid [TS]

  show is on [TS]

  here's all the luke cage issues we could [TS]

  scan in that sort of thing happens but [TS]

  they do keep adding so there's always [TS]

  hope that some others next top models [TS]

  back so here's models models a series so [TS]

  here's my list of things that I didn't [TS]

  know that I didn't pick ms marvel from [TS]

  2014 Hawkeye as we mentioned ultimate [TS]

  comics spider-man that's the Miles [TS]

  Morales run from 2011 issues 1 428 I [TS]

  jonathan hickman's New Avengers and [TS]

  Avengers combo new avengers 2 1 2 33 and [TS]

  Avengers 1 240 for this is the lead into [TS]

  the secret wars its cosmic there's [TS]

  parallel universes and that people have [TS]

  to destroy and secret imaginations of [TS]

  the Illuminati and it's pretty good it's [TS]

  pretty good especially red and I i don't [TS]

  think i would have liked to divide it [TS]

  had to read it over three years but i [TS]

  didn't have to [TS]

  so it was pretty great reading it in a [TS]

  short amount of time the great classic [TS]

  1994 Marvel's miniseries is available on [TS]

  Marvel unlimited it's beautiful [TS]

  you should look at it if you haven't [TS]

  seen that 1i like all new x-men 1 [TS]

  through 15 then they do an event called [TS]

  battle of the atom and [TS]

  sort of it's not as good anymore but [TS]

  this is the one of the original x-men [TS]

  were brought to the present via time [TS]

  travel and had to deal with what their i [TS]

  love that rather adults elves have grown [TS]

  up to be and what's funny about it is [TS]

  they stay like they're now they're in [TS]

  the present and we get the old x-men in [TS]

  the present along with their future [TS]

  counterparts [TS]

  it's kinda cool it's a good idea good [TS]

  good job [TS]

  comic books you that's the kind of stuff [TS]

  you should be doing is weird weird stuff [TS]

  like that [TS]

  exiles i recommend to somebody just the [TS]

  other day [TS]

  exiles are hundred issues of it and [TS]

  they're all on Marvel unlimited it's the [TS]

  multiverse x-men title and it's a [TS]

  shifting group of mutants from various [TS]

  parallel universes who hops from [TS]

  parallel to parallel solving crimes and [TS]

  righting wrongs and there's a little [TS]

  back story about why they're doing it [TS]

  that's pretty interesting as it unfolds [TS]

  to so I like that one a lot of great [TS]

  packs 13 as you run extreme x-men is [TS]

  very similar [TS]

  that's another parallel universe x-men [TS]

  story like exiles I like that one a lot [TS]

  good use of dazzler and that one by the [TS]

  way to mention could use it as she's [TS]

  kind of a burned-out rock rock star in [TS]

  that one and wears cowboy boots and I [TS]

  like that that's a good dazzler Joss [TS]

  Whedon's astonishing x-men 1 424 that's [TS]

  a good run and that's all I marvel [TS]

  unlimited max penises x-men worst X man [TS]

  ever [TS]

  all five issues are now available on [TS]

  Marvel's unlimited i recommended that in [TS]

  the previous show and you know go back [TS]

  to the stuff that you love uncanny x-men [TS]

  issues like a hundred and ten hundred [TS]

  and eight through like I don't know 17 [TS]

  th somewhere in there that's just a [TS]

  great run that's what got the john byrne [TS]

  issues and paul smith issues and and [TS]

  then it kind of gets to john romita jr. [TS]

  and the there get there are a lot of [TS]

  stories about Forge and then it's a lot [TS]

  less interesting and you could stop at [TS]

  any point then if you like that's my [TS]

  list [TS]

  Florence I'm a little bit let down that [TS]

  we did that we behave yourselves so well [TS]

  and we didn't plan more really off the [TS]

  wall crazy stuff I think we've got a lot [TS]

  of crazy stuff I just I one more of the [TS]

  crazy stuff [TS]

  alright giant-sized little marble AVS [TS]

  skottie young super adorable baby x-men [TS]

  vs. baby Avengers oh it's so good [TS]

  the power pack series by various by [TS]

  various writers i think but the power [TS]

  pack and team-ups the artist was gray [TS]

  here ooh these are the new power-packed [TS]

  series that are just outside of Marvel [TS]

  continuity they're just automate like [TS]

  they're delightful mentioning powerpack [TS]

  I wish that that Louis Simonson's [TS]

  original running power pack were all on [TS]

  there but there's this weird sort of [TS]

  like I don't know 10 or 12 issues parts [TS]

  starting part of the way into the Run [TS]

  which is strange and who knows maybe [TS]

  it's a licensing issue i don't remember [TS]

  if like rom shows up for a panel to go [TS]

  away everybody I'm roms you later [TS]

  beep boop probably i'm a space night [TS]

  gotta go all right well i think uh we [TS]

  will look at the show notes i'll have a [TS]

  list of all of this stuff in there and [TS]

  you can you can add to your your your [TS]

  library or wish list or whatever the [TS]

  thing is that you do in Marvel unlimited [TS]

  but I hope now that if you are a marvel [TS]

  unlimited subscriber if you want to give [TS]

  it a try [TS]

  we just give you a whole lot of stuff to [TS]

  read about that whole lot of stuff just [TS]

  you know call in sick from work and sign [TS]

  up for a month and then just read like a [TS]

  thousand comics and then collapse [TS]

  maybe something like that or be [TS]

  responsible whatever i'd like to thank [TS]

  my guests for helping me build this uh [TS]

  pretty cool reading list Lisa Schmeisser [TS]

  thank you for being here [TS]

  you're welcome it's been fun Monty [TS]

  Ashley thanks a lot i have so many [TS]

  comics i need to read now I know it's a [TS]

  lot [TS]

  no thanks everybody chips other thank [TS]

  you it's been a pleasure being part of [TS]

  this merry Marvel marching Society cute [TS]

  boys chili on xlc or does this mean that [TS]

  we're going to get an incomparable [TS]

  adventure spin-off books soon probably [TS]

  I mean whatever or incomparable x-men [TS]

  despite i should add to throw a very [TS]

  quick plug in [TS]

  I i have a recent episode of giant size [TS]

  it's all about Dan Slott that just came [TS]

  out I got one coming out about Greg POC [TS]

  bunch of other weird crazy stuff coming [TS]

  in the next few weeks ago DSN dot FM for [TS]

  more successes a entire podcast network [TS]

  and [TS]

  putting giant-sized plug do it logged [TS]

  you care about Lomax you should listen [TS]

  to yes alright and i have been your host [TS]

  Jason snow thanks everybody for [TS]

  listening to this edition of the [TS]

  incomparable we'll see you next week [TS]

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