The Accidental Tech Podcast

◼   ► so are you recording in a format that is [TS]

◼   ► not just call recorder [TS]

◼   ► nope start recording in a format that is [TS]

◼   ► not just call recorder you're just [TS]

◼   ► asking me to mess things up [TS]

◼   ► oh because you're afraid he's gonna pull [TS]

◼   ► Casey hmm my UPS last for at least five [TS]

◼   ► minutes i'm actually plug into it so yes [TS]

◼   ► yes I hear the truck to hear it here [TS]

◼   ► drivers driving away would say maybe [TS]

◼   ► it's leaving [TS]

◼   ► yeah i think it's driving away alright [TS]

◼   ► so a job market just asked John if if he [TS]

◼   ► could start a crash resilient sound [TS]

◼   ► recording programs so that if this truck [TS]

◼   ► was doing some sort of electrical work [TS]

◼   ► and suddenly the power went out it would [TS]

◼   ► be a big deal because John hopefully and [TS]

◼   ► would be using something that isn't call [TS]

◼   ► recorder like i was using my Mac crapped [TS]

◼   ► out which i can tell you why that [TS]

◼   ► matters if we ever get to talk about the [TS]

◼   ► mp3 file format i would love to do that [TS]

◼   ► actually but anyway it's the John it [TS]

◼   ► said to Marco well it doesn't matter [TS]

◼   ► because my UPS last for at least five [TS]

◼   ► minutes and I'm plugged into my UPS that [TS]

◼   ► that's how I said it was an accurate [TS]

◼   ► reproduction that is a completely [TS]

◼   ► flawless reproduction it was effectively [TS]

◼   ► verbatim only was recorded oh yes it was [TS]

◼   ► in my end of my phone recorder recording [TS]

◼   ► it will successfully make it a disc [TS]

◼   ► anyway I bring all this up because not [TS]

◼   ► 20 minutes ago I was sitting at my imac [TS]

◼   ► knowing that i'm going to be going out [TS]

◼   ► of town and thinking to myself I don't [TS]

◼   ► know what to do because i really want to [TS]

◼   ► let this thing run for another week and [TS]

◼   ► see if it if it reboots itself and if it [TS]

◼   ► doesn't I think at that point i will [TS]

◼   ► personally be fairly convinced that the [TS]

◼   ► OEM ram is good and that the owc ram was [TS]

◼   ► bad but i'm probably going to be using [TS]

◼   ► plex at some point the Plex server is [TS]

◼   ► the imac if this thing turns itself off [TS]

◼   ► I don't have any mechanism to turn it [TS]

◼   ► back on [TS]

◼   ► should I turn it off and plug it into [TS]

◼   ► the battery part of the PS i don't know [TS]

◼   ► it i decided not to because I went into [TS]

◼   ► system preferences and confirmed that [TS]

◼   ► little check box that reads so start up [TS]

◼   ► automatically after a power failure in [TS]

◼   ► so i'm just going on faith that either [TS]

◼   ► we won't have a power failure [TS]

◼   ► or if we do the mac will start itself [TS]

◼   ► back up and somebody in the chat is [TS]

◼   ► asking you don't shut down your machine [TS]

◼   ► at night like the rest of us now this [TS]

◼   ► thing is on always i turn the screen off [TS]

◼   ► yep i'm an exact same way no one should [TS]

◼   ► be shutting down their machines at night [TS]

◼   ► anymore ever [TS]

◼   ► doesn't make any sense but to be fair I [TS]

◼   ► there's there's no reason not to i guess [TS]

◼   ► now there is there's a pretty big reason [TS]

◼   ► they do use a good amount of power but [TS]

◼   ► you know the probably ideal balance [TS]

◼   ► between like functionality and power [TS]

◼   ► savings is sleep mode to actually put [TS]

◼   ► this to put the machine to sleep not too [TS]

◼   ► deep hibernation mode but regular sleep [TS]

◼   ► mode that is like I think a great [TS]

◼   ► balance for most people want to put it [TS]

◼   ► slip your energy saver settings to do [TS]

◼   ► that for you after one hour of idle time [TS]

◼   ► go to sleep or whatever [TS]

◼   ► yeah but not that I don't want that [TS]

◼   ► happening during the day though when I'm [TS]

◼   ► awake because at any moment I might want [TS]

◼   ► to do something on this mac remotely and [TS]

◼   ► yes I could do wake-on-lan blah blah but [TS]

◼   ► that's what scheduled sleep before then [TS]

◼   ► if you know you know scheduled to go to [TS]

◼   ► sleep at 11pm everyday i wake up at 5am [TS]

◼   ► and you're fine don't know that was the [TS]

◼   ► thing that's the thing [TS]

◼   ► oh yeah schedule that's how i do my back [TS]

◼   ► plays backups my computer wakes itself [TS]

◼   ► up at around three a.m. and does [TS]

◼   ► backblaze and then go to sleep so I [TS]

◼   ► don't actually run continuously all day [TS]

◼   ► I just do like nightly backups [TS]

◼   ► interesting this is that it is always [TS]

◼   ► from the wake up is the mac feature and [TS]

◼   ► then back with you to stay put me just [TS]

◼   ► put to sleep when it's done now back [TS]

◼   ► place has its own independent schedule [TS]

◼   ► which is the run continuously or choose [TS]

◼   ► when you want me to run so i have I two [TS]

◼   ► independent schedules that I just [TS]

◼   ► synchronize good old Quran style say the [TS]

◼   ► mac wakes up to 3 or the mags up to 55 [TS]

◼   ► and back play starts at three and yeah [TS]

◼   ► so every day you're ruining five minutes [TS]

◼   ► of power user 0 of your computer use [TS]

◼   ► wasting that power 15 minutes to stay [TS]

◼   ► awake for like an hour i like to do all [TS]

◼   ► that stuff to do it during that time [TS]

◼   ► probably just time machine backups and [TS]

◼   ► like power nap is like think predates [TS]

◼   ► are postdates my mac but power an apple [TS]

◼   ► have things wake up from their sleep in [TS]

◼   ► due time machine backups oh and check [TS]

◼   ► mail and stuff that doesn't help that [TS]

◼   ► place although technically if it wakes [TS]

◼   ► up to the time machine back place will [TS]

◼   ► also run if you have a set to continue [TS]

◼   ► anyway the point is scheduling feature [TS]

◼   ► is part of rs.10 it's been there for [TS]

◼   ► years and years and years you should use [TS]

◼   ► its cool yeah I probably should sleep [TS]

◼   ► this thing at night but I just never do [TS]

◼   ► I me and I say that only because nothing [TS]

◼   ► is happening on it while I'm sleeping i [TS]

◼   ► mean i guess the [TS]

◼   ► one of you guys or maybe like Jason's [TS]

◼   ► Nelson sees three hours in the past [TS]

◼   ► might be trying to watch something off [TS]

◼   ► of my plex server that I've shared with [TS]

◼   ► you guys but in principle there's a [TS]

◼   ► reason I shouldn't just let the things [TS]

◼   ► sleep at like midnight or one o'clock or [TS]

◼   ► something like that and wake itself back [TS]

◼   ► up at a at like six or seven in the [TS]

◼   ► morning [TS]

◼   ► I mean you can use that as like your own [TS]

◼   ► kind of like political statement of you [TS]

◼   ► know you should really go to bed like [TS]

◼   ► stop watching top gear of my flexor need [TS]

◼   ► to go to sleep well I just thought it [TS]

◼   ► was funny because I was having this this [TS]

◼   ► internal debate with myself about [TS]

◼   ► whether or not i should move the mac [TS]

◼   ► onto the battery side of ups and once [TS]

◼   ► once i have it should only be a question [TS]

◼   ► of when not whether wrote short and [TS]

◼   ► that's exactly what I was about to say [TS]

◼   ► actually once i have my data point with [TS]

◼   ► regard to the OEM ram at that juncture i [TS]

◼   ► will move it over to the battery side of [TS]

◼   ► the UPS but I don't want to mess with [TS]

◼   ► anything until that i am still a little [TS]

◼   ► concerned that there was that one seeing [TS]

◼   ► GP related failure like a day after you [TS]

◼   ► put the stock ran back in that is that's [TS]

◼   ► like the only thing that's weird about [TS]

◼   ► this to me that says like maybe this is [TS]

◼   ► more a more complex problem but the fact [TS]

◼   ► that it hasn't happened all at all in [TS]

◼   ► what three weeks or something and it was [TS]

◼   ► happening about every week like it's [TS]

◼   ► correct that is a pretty strong you know [TS]

◼   ► switch over there so I i'm not entirely [TS]

◼   ► ready to say it's definitely the ram but [TS]

◼   ► i'm probably about ready to say you [TS]

◼   ► should always get the ram swamped [TS]

◼   ► yeah and basically as I've said in the [TS]

◼   ► past [TS]

◼   ► all I'm doing right now is trying to get [TS]

◼   ► a data point so that i can go to owa owc [TS]

◼   ► and cermak sales where the hell they're [TS]

◼   ► called and say hey listen you know I was [TS]

◼   ► having reboots once a week up with the [TS]

◼   ► OEM ran back in it ran for blank without [TS]

◼   ► a reboot [TS]

◼   ► I'm pretty confident it's the ram can [TS]

◼   ► you send me new sticks and actually i [TS]

◼   ► don't have the individuals name handy [TS]

◼   ► but somebody had sent me a couple of [TS]

◼   ► tweets over the last couple weeks saying [TS]

◼   ► that they had similar issues with owc [TS]

◼   ► ram and ended up returning it i think [TS]

◼   ► now and I presume at this point I'm well [TS]

◼   ► out of the return window because I got [TS]

◼   ► this computer in January but anyways I [TS]

◼   ► they said that they had gotten crucial [TS]

◼   ► ram instead and thus far it had been [TS]

◼   ► flawless although to be fair to only [TS]

◼   ► been [TS]

◼   ► few days at that point so I think what [TS]

◼   ► I'll try to do is I'll try to do a [TS]

◼   ► return on the owc ram assuming my test [TS]

◼   ► plays out the way I expected well and [TS]

◼   ► then if that Ram has similar issues at [TS]

◼   ► that point i'll probably either asked to [TS]

◼   ► return it or i should say an exchange or [TS]

◼   ► whatever and then i'll ask to return it [TS]

◼   ► if it if the new hypothetical ram has [TS]

◼   ► the same issue and maybe just get like [TS]

◼   ► you know crucial ram or something like [TS]

◼   ► that anyway we should probably do some [TS]

◼   ► follow-up is john doing less rentals [TS]

◼   ► wrong [TS]

◼   ► yeah i got an email today that this is a [TS]

◼   ► reminder from lens rental com this is a [TS]

◼   ► reminder that your rental and yesterday [TS]

◼   ► in our system indicates that has not [TS]

◼   ► been sent back to us so i was surprised [TS]

◼   ► by this email because first of all my [TS]

◼   ► rental didn't end yesterday it ended on [TS]

◼   ► monday and yesterday was Wednesday and I [TS]

◼   ► sent it back on monday and of course [TS]

◼   ► when i sent it back i got a receipt from [TS]

◼   ► the fedex place and take a picture of [TS]

◼   ► the receipt with my phone so as soon as [TS]

◼   ► i got this email I could immediately [TS]

◼   ► reply with a picture of my received the [TS]

◼   ► tracking number that if they were [TS]

◼   ► entered into the fedex website they [TS]

◼   ► would see was on truck for delivery back [TS]

◼   ► to their place in Missouri or whatever [TS]

◼   ► they are and my question is to market [TS]

◼   ► was down the shore did I do it wrong am [TS]

◼   ► I supposed to enter my tracking number [TS]

◼   ► after i returned am I supposed to go to [TS]

◼   ► the website and click a button that say [TS]

◼   ► that I shipped it back that I messed [TS]

◼   ► this up somehow [TS]

◼   ► you didn't mess it up at all basically [TS]

◼   ► something messed up that doesn't usually [TS]

◼   ► do that anyway they don't have that they [TS]

◼   ► don't have the lens i want to rent for [TS]

◼   ► Morris vacation so I'm kind of upset [TS]

◼   ► about that will show what lens is it [TS]

◼   ► it's a lens that I probably don't want [TS]

◼   ► to buy because it's a thousand dollars [TS]

◼   ► and it's a trying to find like a zoom [TS]

◼   ► zoom that I wouldn't want to buy because [TS]

◼   ► it's like a compromise but it's a pretty [TS]

◼   ► good compromise this is the sony vario [TS]

◼   ► tests artiste re60 into 70-millimeter [TS]

◼   ► it's a very compact zoom it's like if [TS]

◼   ► you wanted to have one lens on your [TS]

◼   ► camera on vacation [TS]

◼   ► it takes decent pictures at many ranges [TS]

◼   ► and has a pretty good zoom range not [TS]

◼   ► really really big zoom but you know [TS]

◼   ► pretty wide to pretty close up and folds [TS]

◼   ► back to a small size [TS]

◼   ► this looks like a good lens for that but [TS]

◼   ► then it's also a thousand dollars and do [TS]

◼   ► i really want to spend a thousand [TS]

◼   ► dollars on a zoom lens that isn't [TS]

◼   ► optically that amazing but it really is [TS]

◼   ► very flexible and it's much smaller than [TS]

◼   ► the zoom lens [TS]

◼   ► it's i'm thinking of renting that and [TS]

◼   ► just buying some problems with the [TS]

◼   ► camera [TS]

◼   ► yeah i mean honestly and I was actually [TS]

◼   ► very pleased we got a lot of feedback [TS]

◼   ► from other photographer so far basically [TS]

◼   ► saying that they too and these are some [TS]

◼   ► some pro photographers that they too [TS]

◼   ► only on primes and and some of them said [TS]

◼   ► I occasionally resume for like an event [TS]

◼   ► but for the most part there's been a [TS]

◼   ► number of people who basically saying [TS]

◼   ► that they agree with with my plea last [TS]

◼   ► episode 2 please consider only using [TS]

◼   ► crimes and please at least get the 50 [TS]

◼   ► prime equivalent for your system they [TS]

◼   ► were actually quite a lot of of those i [TS]

◼   ► was that was very nice to hear so I so [TS]

◼   ► it does seem like you are looking at i [TS]

◼   ► also have to mention last show if you're [TS]

◼   ► not looking at the sony system i would [TS]

◼   ► also give serious consideration to the [TS]

◼   ► fuji xt line or X Pro Line like there's [TS]

◼   ► there's the xt-1 that a lot of people [TS]

◼   ► loved i believe the xt 2 is now out or [TS]

◼   ► at least it's about to be out the the [TS]

◼   ► whole fuji x-trans sensor thing is kinda [TS]

◼   ► cool and has some pretty cool advantages [TS]

◼   ► so i would strongly recommend if you [TS]

◼   ► don't want to jump all the way up to [TS]

◼   ► Sony's a 6300 / j7 price ranges consider [TS]

◼   ► the fuji exline because it is I i have [TS]

◼   ► not had any experience with it but it is [TS]

◼   ► very well-regarded and a lot of people [TS]

◼   ► like that a lot at the slide at the [TS]

◼   ► slightly lower price point people trying [TS]

◼   ► to talk about the micro four-thirds [TS]

◼   ► already know I'm totally aware of all [TS]

◼   ► these things I think I've read every [TS]

◼   ► single review on dpreview for every 2016 [TS]

◼   ► camera at this point so I'm very aware [TS]

◼   ► of the things and you know i'm i'm [TS]

◼   ► pretty settled on the sony body i'm [TS]

◼   ► willing to pay the extra money for the [TS]

◼   ► action and like it's a camera that I [TS]

◼   ► used like I you know it's a known known [TS]

◼   ► at this point i rented i use that I [TS]

◼   ► liked it [TS]

◼   ► the Fugees are less expensive but I [TS]

◼   ► don't mind the extra cost for the body [TS]

◼   ► especially when i'm looking it cleanses [TS]

◼   ► at all costs a bazillion dollars anyway [TS]

◼   ► still no purchases maybe I'm thinking [TS]

◼   ► about also worth pointing out as one [TS]

◼   ► person do that I also neglected to [TS]

◼   ► mention last episode the the lenses that [TS]

◼   ► I by are the full-frame lenses the fe [TS]

◼   ► line in Sony's parlance John would not [TS]

◼   ► need to buy the fe Lenzi could buy the [TS]

◼   ► crop sensor a lens's and so I like the [TS]

◼   ► lens you were just mentioning John that [TS]

◼   ► that is not available in full frame [TS]

◼   ► there is no equivalent to that for full [TS]

◼   ► frame i know that's why that's why it's [TS]

◼   ► a good [TS]

◼   ► friends like it's perfect for my camera [TS]

◼   ► that's why it's versatile lens for my [TS]

◼   ► camera is like you don't want I don't [TS]

◼   ► want to pay the amount of money i have [TS]

◼   ► to pay for a full-frame version of the [TS]

◼   ► same lens and I don't want the size that [TS]

◼   ► would bring so here's the lens made [TS]

◼   ► specifically for my size sensor that is [TS]

◼   ► very compact that has a good zoom range [TS]

◼   ► is optically pretty good [TS]

◼   ► exactly yeah so for your needs [TS]

◼   ► I i do recommend for most people that [TS]

◼   ► they like that if they have the budget [TS]

◼   ► for one of these sony a7 series full [TS]

◼   ► frame cameras to step up to it if you [TS]

◼   ► can because the quality difference is [TS]

◼   ► immense [TS]

◼   ► however for what you are using and 44 [TS]

◼   ► your stated needs for zoom lens is [TS]

◼   ► basically for really far-reaching but [TS]

◼   ► also small and somewhat affordable zoom [TS]

◼   ► lenses i would not recommend full-frame [TS]

◼   ► I think you're making the right move by [TS]

◼   ► not going full frame for that particular [TS]

◼   ► reason but it pains me to say that I [TS]

◼   ► would go full frame if the body wasn't [TS]

◼   ► so I would go for the body wasn't so big [TS]

◼   ► like I would sacrifice resume if the [TS]

◼   ► body wasn't so big and if the body [TS]

◼   ► wasn't literally three times the cost [TS]

◼   ► like it's not it's not a small price [TS]

◼   ► type a couple hundred actually about [TS]

◼   ► 3,500 bucks out what everyone wanted to [TS]

◼   ► consider if if you don't want to go all [TS]

◼   ► the way to the three-thousand-dollar a7r [TS]

◼   ► to the regular a 72 without the r came [TS]

◼   ► out something like six to nine months [TS]

◼   ► earlier and I i rented one of those [TS]

◼   ► before it before his attitude to wait [TS]

◼   ► for them by the a7r to it's a v8 the [TS]

◼   ► regular a 72 is not that much more money [TS]

◼   ► than the day 6300 and it's not quite as [TS]

◼   ► advanced in some of the newer stuff like [TS]

◼   ► some of the video features and the focus [TS]

◼   ► there i think there aren't as many fate [TS]

◼   ► focus points on it i think and the burst [TS]

◼   ► mode thing and it's bigger like and I [TS]

◼   ► looked at it but the sensor for the a 72 [TS]

◼   ► it is full frame and I think it's me [TS]

◼   ► what you can get those things for what [TS]

◼   ► like like 14 or 15 hundred dollars like [TS]

◼   ► the effort for what they are they're [TS]

◼   ► incredible value right now because it's [TS]

◼   ► kind of like last year's model but still [TS]

◼   ► for sale basically that is a very good [TS]

◼   ► by if you want full frame but don't want [TS]

◼   ► to spend like three grand on it and [TS]

◼   ► compared to always felt like if you want [TS]

◼   ► full frame before the sony a series you [TS]

◼   ► had to go like-for-like you know 5d mark [TS]

◼   ► to mark 3 and those are those are like [TS]

◼   ► 3,000 our cameras that you see the only [TS]

◼   ► way to get full frame like that was like [TS]

◼   ► the entry point for full frame was like [TS]

◼   ► three-thousand-dollar cannon [TS]

◼   ► big slrs to have something like the sony [TS]

◼   ► a7 series and to have their full frame [TS]

◼   ► sensor starting at like 1,500 bucks is [TS]

◼   ► amazing for for quality photography and [TS]

◼   ► for bringing it to people it's really [TS]

◼   ► quite something I'm gonna do the kc [TS]

◼   ► production and here's what's actually [TS]

◼   ► going to happen [TS]

◼   ► I'm gonna get this camera we're going to [TS]

◼   ► use your fingers the new whatever [TS]

◼   ► replaces your camera is going to come [TS]

◼   ► out and or there's going to be a [TS]

◼   ► full-frame camera and a similar form [TS]

◼   ► factor to the 6300 and several years [TS]

◼   ► after buying this camera a bunch of [TS]

◼   ► lenses i'm going to sell it all and by a [TS]

◼   ► full-frame mirrorless camera which may [TS]

◼   ► or may not be room so nice I i know [TS]

◼   ► that's gonna happen like it's inevitable [TS]

◼   ► but i'm willing to spend the three or [TS]

◼   ► four years now with this small camera as [TS]

◼   ► a transitional phase [TS]

◼   ► yeah that's totally fair honestly i [TS]

◼   ► would bet against that feat that future [TS]

◼   ► for you because like to come through [TS]

◼   ► cheap no III fair fair [TS]

◼   ► I mean that might be there might be a [TS]

◼   ► factor here but I've been talking to you [TS]

◼   ► about cameras for like two years now for [TS]

◼   ► three years now and you've never wavered [TS]

◼   ► on the point of like I I like good [TS]

◼   ► cameras but i will never buy one at that [TS]

◼   ► nice i know because it's a money pit I [TS]

◼   ► know I'm susceptible to this money but [TS]

◼   ► it and my wife made me enter it and it [TS]

◼   ► provides predicted once you have one and [TS]

◼   ► use it a lot like just it's i know i [TS]

◼   ► know myself I was trying to avoid this [TS]

◼   ► particular money pit now easing into the [TS]

◼   ► money pit and also i feel like a camera [TS]

◼   ► is like your camera is still a little [TS]

◼   ► bit in transition [TS]

◼   ► I feel like this whole mirrorless [TS]

◼   ► revolution is kind of like just getting [TS]

◼   ► going here and i wanna actually I really [TS]

◼   ► believe that you could have a decent [TS]

◼   ► full-frame camera with all of your [TS]

◼   ► features in a smaller form factor that [TS]

◼   ► has even better performance I think that [TS]

◼   ► is coming at the wait like five to seven [TS]

◼   ► years i'm willing to wait and the 6300 [TS]

◼   ► was really cool and I think all use that [TS]

◼   ► way I I'm not sure to get that much [TS]

◼   ► smaller honestly because they like like [TS]

◼   ► the the a7 line before the 272 a7r to [TS]

◼   ► the regular a7 line was a little bit [TS]

◼   ► smaller one of the reasons that had to [TS]

◼   ► get bigger was the giant embody [TS]

◼   ► stabilizer thing they're if you look at [TS]

◼   ► there's actually a teardown on iFixit of [TS]

◼   ► the a7r to there really is not a lot of [TS]

◼   ► room in there too to shrink this thing [TS]

◼   ► any further and also if they did shrink [TS]

◼   ► it further somehow that would probably [TS]

◼   ► mean an even smaller battery and that's [TS]

◼   ► the last listing needs like this [TS]

◼   ► plenty of room for more battery they [TS]

◼   ► need to talk about Apple about scallops [TS]

◼   ► batteries or something visible more [TS]

◼   ► battery man and I mean you can't change [TS]

◼   ► them [TS]

◼   ► I'm totally willing to not have the [TS]

◼   ► n-body stabilization like do the the [TS]

◼   ► 6300 but with a full-frame sensor but [TS]

◼   ► without the stabilization like anyway [TS]

◼   ► I'm i believe in the future of [TS]

◼   ► technology and I believe cameras will [TS]

◼   ► get smaller and better and so i'm going [TS]

◼   ► to wait it out and he even w if you [TS]

◼   ► don't if you don't want the [TS]

◼   ► stabilization don't know how much is in [TS]

◼   ► a7r forget the first day 7 are actually [TS]

◼   ► that's a contrast only you don't want [TS]

◼   ► that but that's the old cameras slow [TS]

◼   ► slow burst mode and not as good sensor [TS]

◼   ► yeah you too you don't want contrast [TS]

◼   ► autofocus nevermind exactly forget about [TS]

◼   ► it anyway but we had enough camera talk [TS]

◼   ► at some point i'll buy something then [TS]

◼   ► we'll talk about it some more okay [TS]

◼   ► alright good talk yeah we got a bit of [TS]

◼   ► feedback with regard to qnx which is [TS]

◼   ► that real-time operating system and damn [TS]

◼   ► Dodger believes gentleman's name that [TS]

◼   ► was co-founder and is now working at [TS]

◼   ► apple an anonymous source with two [TS]

◼   ► different anonymous sources the first [TS]

◼   ► told us that the 75 that Marco had my [TS]

◼   ► 335 both the eye dr systems are running [TS]

◼   ► on QX and this particular individual [TS]

◼   ► also added that there really isn't any [TS]

◼   ► requirement for real-time OS for [TS]

◼   ► infotainment it just kind of happens to [TS]

◼   ► use qnx kinda like the standard that [TS]

◼   ► everybody does [TS]

◼   ► yeah i was about to say that's [TS]

◼   ► apparently fairly popular and [TS]

◼   ► furthermore from what I understand the [TS]

◼   ► car play features that are in a lot of [TS]

◼   ► modern cars that's as a lot of that [TS]

◼   ► support happens at the QNX like os-level [TS]

◼   ► even before like the eye dr here if you [TS]

◼   ► will or level in the software and then a [TS]

◼   ► different animal source wrote us a [TS]

◼   ► really fascinating email which i'd love [TS]

◼   ► to read the whole thing but I presume [TS]

◼   ► John is called out a couple of parts [TS]

◼   ► that are that i'll read to you the [TS]

◼   ► biggest performance problem in car UI is [TS]

◼   ► usually the embedded chips that used our [TS]

◼   ► system has to work on 10 plus chipsets [TS]

◼   ► by different manufacturers car companies [TS]

◼   ► save every cent on their chipset the [TS]

◼   ► fact that some cars built today still [TS]

◼   ► have less than 20 megs ram all the ram [TS]

◼   ► costs almost nothing shows that [TS]

◼   ► perfectly [TS]

◼   ► as my head of engineering once said to [TS]

◼   ► me they'd rather spend money on three [TS]

◼   ► software engineers for two years trying [TS]

◼   ► to get that system to run as efficiently [TS]

◼   ► as possible rather than spending a few [TS]

◼   ► dollars more in each chip and that's [TS]

◼   ► because of the economy of scale that you [TS]

◼   ► know when you're building 11 gazillion [TS]

◼   ► cars a few dollars per car really starts [TS]

◼   ► to add up and I just I mean it makes [TS]

◼   ► sense but didn't really think of it that [TS]

◼   ► way until this anonymous little bird in [TS]

◼   ► and in and said that so I thought that [TS]

◼   ► was fascinating it doesn't make sense [TS]

◼   ► it's the exact definition of penny wise [TS]

◼   ► pound foolish like well okay gonna think [TS]

◼   ► like oh you're right about the math that [TS]

◼   ► how it multiplies out but you're wrong [TS]

◼   ► about their the car companies are wrong [TS]

◼   ► about the value provided by having good [TS]

◼   ► software the good software is an [TS]

◼   ► important differentiation increasingly [TS]

◼   ► important differentiator in cars and you [TS]

◼   ► saving two bucks on that chip is not [TS]

◼   ► worth the value lost to your brand like [TS]

◼   ► all the people like Marcos that you get [TS]

◼   ► drives us this you know really nice [TS]

◼   ► Mercedes but is disgusted by the [TS]

◼   ► infotainment system you spent all this [TS]

◼   ► money on this car you know so many parts [TS]

◼   ► of the Mercedes are fifty cents more [TS]

◼   ► expensive than they are other cars one [TS]

◼   ► cent more expensive one dollar more [TS]

◼   ► expensive that from like the fuel lines [TS]

◼   ► to the filters to the muffler's to every [TS]

◼   ► single part of that car is just a little [TS]

◼   ► tiny bit more expensive than honey [TS]

◼   ► that's what makes it a Mercedes the the [TS]

◼   ► software you can't treat like oh well [TS]

◼   ► we're going to 120 gigs ram because [TS]

◼   ► double the ram across three extra sense [TS]

◼   ► instead of organists we're going to [TS]

◼   ► spend you know that three engineers work [TS]

◼   ► on this and to jam the software into [TS]

◼   ► this tiny little chipset with a small [TS]

◼   ► amount of ram because hey it's cheaper [TS]

◼   ► do the math it is cheaper but you're [TS]

◼   ► making your product worse in a way that [TS]

◼   ► is way out of proportion to the money [TS]

◼   ► that you save if you just add up like [TS]

◼   ► okay two bucks two extra bucks per card [TS]

◼   ► x number of cars we sell you are adding [TS]

◼   ► so much more value to your brand as [TS]

◼   ► mercedes as a car that people want to [TS]

◼   ► buy by making decent software and you [TS]

◼   ► make business software by not making [TS]

◼   ► your software engineers past it jammed [TS]

◼   ► their software into a bunch of weird [TS]

◼   ► underpowered chipsets to the ram [TS]

◼   ► constraint is it's a terrible idea and [TS]

◼   ► you know that this email and say the [TS]

◼   ► good part is all these problems are so [TS]

◼   ► again worked on the companies creating [TS]

◼   ► simple time systems are slowly getting [TS]

◼   ► better understanding of Technology [TS]

◼   ► hurdles and some car companies really [TS]

◼   ► care are taking this away from [TS]

◼   ► third-party vendors basically take it [TS]

◼   ► in-house kinda like Tesla does so [TS]

◼   ► they're getting better about this but [TS]

◼   ► the mine [TS]

◼   ► that is like totally wrong and you know [TS]

◼   ► we're totally not blaming the people who [TS]

◼   ► make these infotainment system because [TS]

◼   ► you know as friends said they have to [TS]

◼   ► write this thing has to work on these [TS]

◼   ► terrible washing machine chipsets that [TS]

◼   ► are in these cars because they're cheap [TS]

◼   ► and of course they're terrible [TS]

◼   ► and by the way the infotainment system [TS]

◼   ► on cue next thing that was in response [TS]

◼   ► to the last episode of our BBQ and [TS]

◼   ► accents like well you don't need a [TS]

◼   ► real-time operating system for the [TS]

◼   ► entertainment you need it for like that [TS]

◼   ► self-driving car the other you know the [TS]

◼   ► automatic stopping system that prevents [TS]

◼   ► you from hitting pedestrians and other [TS]

◼   ► things that are critical they need to be [TS]

◼   ► in real time but QX is also a reliable [TS]

◼   ► popular embedded operating systems like [TS]

◼   ► they just used for the infotainment [TS]

◼   ► system stupid they're not even using [TS]

◼   ► real-time features like this was my [TS]

◼   ► question like what what is it about the [TS]

◼   ► infotainment system that needs real-time [TS]

◼   ► and answers nothing it's just you know [TS]

◼   ► it's a good embedded operating system [TS]

◼   ► with the automotive engineers are [TS]

◼   ► familiar with that runs in a runs on [TS]

◼   ► those washing machine ships with the [TS]

◼   ► tiny amount of ram so there you have it [TS]

◼   ► i should also point out that i had to [TS]

◼   ► reboot my car today [TS]

◼   ► how do you do that it happens he holds [TS]

◼   ► down a key combination right [TS]

◼   ► yes and and I should point out to this [TS]

◼   ► is the third time I've had to do this [TS]

◼   ► the instant owned the car for three [TS]

◼   ► months that you should really look at [TS]

◼   ► the ram Marco I hear that's problematic [TS]

◼   ► yeah so it's so what was the symptom so [TS]

◼   ► that the first time I had to reboot it [TS]

◼   ► so there's two screens that there's the [TS]

◼   ► screen were like the speedometer is like [TS]

◼   ► right in front of you on the little [TS]

◼   ► little dash counseling and there's the [TS]

◼   ► giant touchscreen in the middle and [TS]

◼   ► those are actually running like two [TS]

◼   ► different computers or like they like [TS]

◼   ► that the one in front of the driver is [TS]

◼   ► kind of like a sub interface that [TS]

◼   ► remotely controls the main one in the [TS]

◼   ► center and the main one in the center [TS]

◼   ► also controls all the hvac stuff all the [TS]

◼   ► media stuff and a bunch of other things [TS]

◼   ► that are not driving but a lot of other [TS]

◼   ► accessory features of the Interior so I [TS]

◼   ► went out one afternoon and the the [TS]

◼   ► driver facing one said there's a problem [TS]

◼   ► with your center console call service [TS]

◼   ► I hate talking on the phone so rather [TS]

◼   ► than calling customer service I just [TS]

◼   ► search the web for like this error [TS]

◼   ► message and found like some forums posts [TS]

◼   ► and everything's a go just reboot it and [TS]

◼   ► it took me another 10 minutes figure out [TS]

◼   ► how the heck do you reboot it and the [TS]

◼   ► way he rebooted as you like the steering [TS]

◼   ► wheel has a little like jog we on each [TS]

◼   ► side like by that by the buttons like [TS]

◼   ► for the controls and if you hold if you [TS]

◼   ► click in [TS]

◼   ► and both of those jog wheels and hold [TS]

◼   ► them in for like five seconds the center [TS]

◼   ► screen boots [TS]

◼   ► that's interesting so i had so i did [TS]

◼   ► that fix the problem i came back up [TS]

◼   ► it takes like 20 30 seconds to reboot [TS]

◼   ► came back up it was fine and then I i [TS]

◼   ► did it willingly [TS]

◼   ► about a month ago because the navigation [TS]

◼   ► when it highlights the the road you're [TS]

◼   ► supposed to drive on with a blue overlay [TS]

◼   ► sometimes if you if you zoom or pan or [TS]

◼   ► otherwise cause the map to redraw [TS]

◼   ► sometimes the blue overlay stop strong [TS]

◼   ► reliably deliver the leader omit [TS]

◼   ► sections or just not draw at all and it [TS]

◼   ► looks like it may be running a texture [TS]

◼   ► memory or something and so the texture [TS]

◼   ► just not being painted right or [TS]

◼   ► something I don't know the system is [TS]

◼   ► working enough detail to say for sure [TS]

◼   ► but it looks looks like you know some [TS]

◼   ► kind of just like you know memory leak [TS]

◼   ► bug that slowly this is stops working [TS]

◼   ► very well and actually when I had the [TS]

◼   ► service loner when I got my windshield [TS]

◼   ► replaced that car had that same symptom [TS]

◼   ► we're just wasn't drawn the overlay [TS]

◼   ► right so I know it's not just my car [TS]

◼   ► didn't have to fix in the service honor [TS]

◼   ► but now i do you could reboot and it's [TS]

◼   ► immediately better and today the center [TS]

◼   ► console you stopped responding and like [TS]

◼   ► the audio froze and it was playing over [TS]

◼   ► bluetooth so it was like cable issue and [TS]

◼   ► yet so I was like driving at the time [TS]

◼   ► like well i hope this isn't doing weird [TS]

◼   ► so I was a strategy stopped at traffic [TS]

◼   ► lights like all right good time [TS]

◼   ► older than me but it was finally get [TS]

◼   ► back up again totally fine i will say [TS]

◼   ► overall i can get you no matter what the [TS]

◼   ► subject of these entertainment systems [TS]

◼   ► it kind of annoys me that Tesla is [TS]

◼   ► working on these automatic driving [TS]

◼   ► things and pouring so much of their [TS]

◼   ► resources into that while they're there [TS]

◼   ► in car navigation and media system still [TS]

◼   ► could use a lot of improvement it's [TS]

◼   ► still pretty rudimentary it is nice and [TS]

◼   ► that it has the big touchscreen and [TS]

◼   ► everything but the the media interface [TS]

◼   ► is extremely basic it [TS]

◼   ► it supports very little of bluetooth [TS]

◼   ► audio capabilities control capabilities [TS]

◼   ► doesn't support like artwork and stuff [TS]

◼   ► like that doesn't support fast-forward [TS]

◼   ► and rewind it doesn't there's no of [TS]

◼   ► course browsing or anything no ipod [TS]

◼   ► interface no carplay so if they're there [TS]

◼   ► they're missing a lot there and then the [TS]

◼   ► navigation is also very rudimentary you [TS]

◼   ► can't set waypoints you can't like you [TS]

◼   ► know say alright we'll drive here to [TS]

◼   ► here [TS]

◼   ► use this highway or drive here but stop [TS]

◼   ► here in the middle you can't do that you [TS]

◼   ► have to just make separate trips and [TS]

◼   ► stuff like that and also the directions [TS]

◼   ► like the map the map images come from [TS]

◼   ► google but I think Tesla has its own [TS]

◼   ► Street data and texts also provides own [TS]

◼   ► navigation despite where the data is [TS]

◼   ► coming from is not using google [TS]

◼   ► navigation tell his own navigation and [TS]

◼   ► Tesla's time estimates are never right [TS]

◼   ► with traffic and it is not very good [TS]

◼   ► navigating around traffic heavy sigh [TS]

◼   ► I've made the mistake of following a [TS]

◼   ► couple times for Manhattan and it was a [TS]

◼   ► disaster every time and like it was not [TS]

◼   ► that it's not the driving to Manhattan [TS]

◼   ► had to be disaster it just made really [TS]

◼   ► bad choices when I followed them and [TS]

◼   ► then I you know I i would look over like [TS]

◼   ► if I would you stay on the highway one [TS]

◼   ► more exit i would have bypassed all of [TS]

◼   ► this that took me 40 minutes you know [TS]

◼   ► so overall Tesla's head unit is like the [TS]

◼   ► navigation system is no it's it's good i [TS]

◼   ► love having the big screen [TS]

◼   ► however I wish they'd put more resources [TS]

◼   ► into that because it seems like they [TS]

◼   ► haven't really touched that in a long [TS]

◼   ► time and and for them to be putting all [TS]

◼   ► this amazing effort into cool AI [TS]

◼   ► features that's nice from like any know [TS]

◼   ► if you look at the big picture like if [TS]

◼   ► it if these things end up saving lives [TS]

◼   ► that's awesome and that is more [TS]

◼   ► important but at the same time as a [TS]

◼   ► customer of their car i do wish the [TS]

◼   ► system was better and it is kind of [TS]

◼   ► weird that such a tech forward company [TS]

◼   ► has kind of dropped the ball on the [TS]

◼   ► basic features of their of their [TS]

◼   ► technology in the car facing the user [TS]

◼   ► you know also that the touchscreen just [TS]

◼   ► really sluggish like navigating the map [TS]

◼   ► is is very very low framerate it you [TS]

◼   ► know it's kind of like navigating like [TS]

◼   ► google maps on like a pentium 3 like if [TS]

◼   ► it's not like it's not like using an [TS]

◼   ► iPad like it's not at all like that it's [TS]

◼   ► very sluggish and there's all this all [TS]

◼   ► this latency in the interface and and [TS]

◼   ► and I you kind of expect more from car [TS]

◼   ► of that caliber some features aside I [TS]

◼   ► getting back to the rebooting your car [TS]

◼   ► and stuff you kind of well I don't start [TS]

◼   ► to separate from the features that we've [TS]

◼   ► been talking about this but I think a [TS]

◼   ► lot of regular people have this feeling [TS]

◼   ► and is easy for us to slip into it [TS]

◼   ► do is like when things were simpler and [TS]

◼   ► didn't have as much computer stuff they [TS]

◼   ► were more reliable because there are [TS]

◼   ► fewer things that can go wrong as soon [TS]

◼   ► as i started adding software to their [TS]

◼   ► stuff like we talked about this isn't [TS]

◼   ► smart TV that old smart TV post ad from [TS]

◼   ► CS so word processing software that all [TS]

◼   ► the software and just makes the thing [TS]

◼   ► less reliable and more annoying to use [TS]

◼   ► and you're doing everything that in [TS]

◼   ► terms of the basics like they've added [TS]

◼   ► by the software to the car which is good [TS]

◼   ► and they're better than a lot of other [TS]

◼   ► people but on the other hand it's also [TS]

◼   ► less reliable in my terrible terrible [TS]

◼   ► entertainment if you don't even call [TS]

◼   ► that system on my honda accord [TS]

◼   ► I've never had to reboot it but it's [TS]

◼   ► just terrible all the time so that's [TS]

◼   ► kind of like in the in-between phase [TS]

◼   ► where everything is not as simple as it [TS]

◼   ► used to be like my wife's record that [TS]

◼   ► has no infotainment screen at all that [TS]

◼   ► was you know it's simple fixed-function [TS]

◼   ► everything implemented in hardware with [TS]

◼   ► you know some very rudimentary firmware [TS]

◼   ► you would even call it no sort of [TS]

◼   ► general-purpose touch screen menu system [TS]

◼   ► software like nothing like that there's [TS]

◼   ► a bunch of cpus there's a bunch of [TS]

◼   ► memory but they're all basically like [TS]

◼   ► little embedded systems that's like as [TS]

◼   ► far as the car industry can go along the [TS]

◼   ► lines of like everything is super [TS]

◼   ► reliable and as we all know as [TS]

◼   ► programmers but it's sometimes easy to [TS]

◼   ► forget as consumers as soon as you make [TS]

◼   ► real live software like a GUI you can't [TS]

◼   ► make it the same way as an embedded [TS]

◼   ► system you have to have a GUI framework [TS]

◼   ► and an API and like you know regular [TS]

◼   ► application development for human [TS]

◼   ► interaction as opposed to this is custom [TS]

◼   ► software for this little chip that [TS]

◼   ► controls the radio and instead of you [TS]

◼   ► know it's not like the more you start [TS]

◼   ► making a platform [TS]

◼   ► the more you start making what we know [TS]

◼   ► is like a pc style platform or you build [TS]

◼   ► applications on top of where you're [TS]

◼   ► farther farther away from that ideal [TS]

◼   ► embedded system that just has like a rom [TS]

◼   ► or something you just get all the bugs [TS]

◼   ► out of it and you get a writer if there [TS]

◼   ► are bugs are known bugs were just once [TS]

◼   ► you start having real life software it's [TS]

◼   ► me there's nothing so far that we as [TS]

◼   ► humans have been able to figure out how [TS]

◼   ► to do to make that software as reliable [TS]

◼   ► as the thing without software without [TS]

◼   ► sacrificing huge things like just ok it [TS]

◼   ► will you no will do space probe [TS]

◼   ► reliability metrics but it will take us [TS]

◼   ► years and years to write a very small [TS]

◼   ► amount of [TS]

◼   ► code and the limitations are so onerous [TS]

◼   ► that no one would ever want to do [TS]

◼   ► anything that way unless you're writing [TS]

◼   ► a space problem which case you have no [TS]

◼   ► choice right but cars are not space [TS]

◼   ► probes the the the cost-benefit ratio so [TS]

◼   ► different so bottom line is once you add [TS]

◼   ► software the cars you have to reboot [TS]

◼   ► your car like it essentially that is [TS]

◼   ► inevitable at you know we do want [TS]

◼   ► software to be added to our cars because [TS]

◼   ► we think it's a better user interface [TS]

◼   ► they can do all that stuff but you'll [TS]

◼   ► have to reboot your car like there's no [TS]

◼   ► like if only you had tried harder Tesla [TS]

◼   ► then market wouldn't had to reboot his [TS]

◼   ► car like there's there's there's you [TS]

◼   ► know there's a sliding scale quality but [TS]

◼   ► a car with software it's never going to [TS]

◼   ► be as reliable as the car with the [TS]

◼   ► hardware radio because the harbor radio [TS]

◼   ► either works or it doesn't when it stops [TS]

◼   ► working throughout you put a new [TS]

◼   ► hardware radio and for the life of the [TS]

◼   ► hardware radio it doesn't change know [TS]

◼   ► for more updates is no software being [TS]

◼   ► sent to and it's doing so much less [TS]

◼   ► doing so so much less than marcos think [TS]

◼   ► it's like pulling images and doing gps [TS]

◼   ► and navigating and talking to you and [TS]

◼   ► putting images up on the screen like [TS]

◼   ► it's doing so much less like it's not as [TS]

◼   ► if you know it's this magic sauce when [TS]

◼   ► you do more stuff that's more [TS]

◼   ► complicated software has bugs the Moores [TS]

◼   ► offer you have the more bugs you have [TS]

◼   ► and until we get like a sort of emergent [TS]

◼   ► AI to write and fix our software for us [TS]

◼   ► that seems to be the way of things [TS]

◼   ► probably for most of our life so we [TS]

◼   ► should just kind of get used to this now [TS]

◼   ► the features discussion i think is a [TS]

◼   ► separation which marketing look you have [TS]

◼   ► you know you're going to have bugs you [TS]

◼   ► have a lot of software spend more time [TS]

◼   ► here instead of less of your time there [TS]

◼   ► we say the same thing about Apple [TS]

◼   ► especially on the mac like if you're not [TS]

◼   ► don't try to look for the next big [TS]

◼   ► feature dad wanted to just make all the [TS]

◼   ► features that are already there much [TS]

◼   ► more reliable and that definitely is [TS]

◼   ► possible and it is something that should [TS]

◼   ► be doing but whenever I feel like high [TS]

◼   ► and mighty about the fact that I never [TS]

◼   ► had to reboot my cord i realize it's [TS]

◼   ► only because it doesn't really have as [TS]

◼   ► much software and features as Marcos [TS]

◼   ► cards and as soon as it does it's going [TS]

◼   ► to be just as bad and you know we as [TS]

◼   ► programmers understand why that happens [TS]

◼   ► because software without bugs doesn't [TS]

◼   ► exist then more most software more bugs [TS]

◼   ► is used to get there [TS]

◼   ► well is that depressing i don't know but [TS]

◼   ► like you know that's that's the way of [TS]

◼   ► things I feel like we should understand [TS]

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◼   ► jamie is written and they asked i'm [TS]

◼   ► surprised that the clocks in different [TS]

◼   ► computer recording devices can't keep a [TS]

◼   ► can't keep frame accurate time I say [TS]

◼   ► frame since I come from the film world [TS]

◼   ► but you know accurate 224 thirtieth of a [TS]

◼   ► second [TS]

◼   ► this has been solved and sound recorders [TS]

◼   ► and cameras since the fifties and [TS]

◼   ► sixties using a quartz crystal with you [TS]

◼   ► an accuracy of a few parts per million [TS]

◼   ► computers can provide the accuracy of [TS]

◼   ► quartz watch it's so nuts market would [TS]

◼   ► you like to comment yeah so this is in [TS]

◼   ► response to my discussion about audio [TS]

◼   ► drift being a problem in Long podcast [TS]

◼   ► recordings we're basically when your [TS]

◼   ► sound card is sampling your microphone [TS]

◼   ► at 44100 times per second then over the [TS]

◼   ► course of like a two-hour recording what [TS]

◼   ► your computer thinks is the correct time [TS]

◼   ► and the number of samples is recorded [TS]

◼   ► might be off from your co-hosts computer [TS]

◼   ► by like half a second to one second and [TS]

◼   ► it just do two imprecision between the [TS]

◼   ► computers like my sound chip might just [TS]

◼   ► be you know point zero zero zero one [TS]

◼   ► percent less accurate than yours but [TS]

◼   ► when you doing [TS]

◼   ► forty-four thousand samples per second [TS]

◼   ► over two hours that could start to add [TS]

◼   ► up to something noticeable because it [TS]

◼   ► only takes like a half-second for the [TS]

◼   ► two tracks to be off before you can [TS]

◼   ► really notice it [TS]

◼   ► my reply to Jamie's feedback here is I [TS]

◼   ► don't know why they can't do it i mean [TS]

◼   ► if it's possible to do it somewhere else [TS]

◼   ► I don't know why I'm sure there's a good [TS]

◼   ► reason because it's been a problem for a [TS]

◼   ► long time [TS]

◼   ► one of the ways that this problem gets [TS]

◼   ► avoided in professional equipment with [TS]

◼   ► team is probably familiar with if you [TS]

◼   ► look at pro audio gear like really pro [TS]

◼   ► audio gear there is usually a clock [TS]

◼   ► input and output port on the back and [TS]

◼   ► there's there's something you can use [TS]

◼   ► separate devices for clock generation so [TS]

◼   ► what they do is they don't rely on [TS]

◼   ► incredible precision that to make sure [TS]

◼   ► that this device in this device have [TS]

◼   ► exactly the same precision on the clock [TS]

◼   ► ships know that is outsourced the [TS]

◼   ► problem they did they declare like one [TS]

◼   ► source of the clock rate to be [TS]

◼   ► authoritative and they just hardwired [TS]

◼   ► all to each other and say alright this [TS]

◼   ► device is providing the clock for me so [TS]

◼   ► my internal circuitry is not going to do [TS]

◼   ► it this is the Royal very little about I [TS]

◼   ► just know this exists so if I am getting [TS]

◼   ► those details wrong I apologize but [TS]

◼   ► that's the gist of it that is how that [TS]

◼   ► world deals with its not by getting [TS]

◼   ► incredibly press components it's [TS]

◼   ► simply by outsourcing the problem to one [TS]

◼   ► device and saying okay you're the master [TS]

◼   ► of the clock i put this feedback members [TS]

◼   ► i had the same question when you were [TS]

◼   ► describing and I was thinking along the [TS]

◼   ► lines of look the clocks have to be [TS]

◼   ► pretty darn accurate from one computer [TS]

◼   ► to the next could be instead that [TS]

◼   ► because again we're not using real-time [TS]

◼   ► operating systems here to record our [TS]

◼   ► audio that it's easy to miss a frame [TS]

◼   ► here and there because some other things [TS]

◼   ► happens and it's not a big deal you'll [TS]

◼   ► never notice it audio wise but if you [TS]

◼   ► add that up like in other words is [TS]

◼   ► basically a software problem and not a [TS]

◼   ► hardware problem that the quartz [TS]

◼   ► crystals and our computers are all close [TS]

◼   ► enough to each other that it wouldn't [TS]

◼   ► matter but our computers aren't hardware [TS]

◼   ► audio recording devices their general [TS]

◼   ► purpose computers and in the end it's a [TS]

◼   ► piece of software that's pulling samples [TS]

◼   ► off the bus and so many things in the [TS]

◼   ► middle of it [TS]

◼   ► missing a few things here in their cars [TS]

◼   ► but I don't I guess I wouldn't explain [TS]

◼   ► systemic drift because if it was really [TS]

◼   ► random area and it was equal a lot of [TS]

◼   ► computers maybe you would even out [TS]

◼   ► anyway I don't know the answer either [TS]

◼   ► you're serious sounds reasonable but i [TS]

◼   ► have the same questions about like look [TS]

◼   ► quartz crystals that should be accurate [TS]

◼   ► matching but then again I didn't know [TS]

◼   ► about this whole thing of having a clock [TS]

◼   ► being fed into multiple audio components [TS]

◼   ► so I don't know what to think so if you [TS]

◼   ► are an audio person who does audio on [TS]

◼   ► computers and you know the definitive [TS]

◼   ► answer please write in and tell us [TS]

◼   ► yeah that'd be great also forever it's [TS]

◼   ► worth I've always noticed that laptops [TS]

◼   ► have way more drift than desktops Mac [TS]

◼   ► Pros have way less adrift in imax like [TS]

◼   ► so it does seem to possibly be related [TS]

◼   ► to just like kind of the quality and the [TS]

◼   ► end the conditions of the components i [TS]

◼   ► once I'd like the components like a [TS]

◼   ► laptop may just be mon under more stress [TS]

◼   ► like the more likely to be thermal [TS]

◼   ► throttling up and down and doing other [TS]

◼   ► stuff like again i would imagine that [TS]

◼   ► the clock crystals inside the related [TS]

◼   ► chips and all those things are of equal [TS]

◼   ► quality but it's not it's where we are [TS]

◼   ► not solid state audio recording devices [TS]

◼   ► like a little handheld thing to do it's [TS]

◼   ► a whole computer in there so so much in [TS]

◼   ► go wrong between the samples being [TS]

◼   ► pulled off is really complicated bus and [TS]

◼   ► then going out to a file so anyway this [TS]

◼   ► right Intel's but you know we all see [TS]

◼   ► the results if you want to try the [TS]

◼   ► experiment yourself feel free do a [TS]

◼   ► double ender podcast with two friends [TS]

◼   ► across country and a laptop and try to [TS]

◼   ► put the audio together and [TS]

◼   ► realize we're multiplying margos night [TS]

◼   ► alright let's see here so one of you put [TS]

◼   ► in here and i'm quoting the arm and mac [TS]

◼   ► feedback that won't die it won't this [TS]

◼   ► key people keep suggesting it [TS]

◼   ► it's been like three months six months [TS]

◼   ► this is literally will not die and i [TS]

◼   ► feel like now final game plan we will [TS]

◼   ► address it quote it's obvious what's [TS]

◼   ► going on with the mac lineup colon total [TS]

◼   ► arm reboot this is from a tweak this is [TS]

◼   ► a concise form of what everyone is [TS]

◼   ► telling us every time we can plan out [TS]

◼   ► where the new mags why are they updated [TS]

◼   ► the mac pro was taking so long with the [TS]

◼   ► mac pro updates everything says don't [TS]

◼   ► buy and the mac buying guide thing on [TS]

◼   ► macrumors site doesn't seem like they [TS]

◼   ► care about the magnum and everyone's [TS]

◼   ► like you dummies [TS]

◼   ► it's because every single mac is being [TS]

◼   ► converted to our mother is taking a long [TS]

◼   ► time why don't understand what you don't [TS]

◼   ► realize that why don't you reply to my [TS]

◼   ► tweets all the macs are going armed [TS]

◼   ► maybe maybe all the macs are going armed [TS]

◼   ► we've just talked about that many many [TS]

◼   ► times in the past a couple things that [TS]

◼   ► have to say about that and the reason [TS]

◼   ► why we don't bring that first always [TS]

◼   ► talk about our max forever on past shows [TS]

◼   ► and all the different trade-offs [TS]

◼   ► inherited we're not going to rehash all [TS]

◼   ► that right but first of all the macs are [TS]

◼   ► going arm still kinda doesn't excuse the [TS]

◼   ► tremendous delay like look at the Intel [TS]

◼   ► transition they didn't stop selling [TS]

◼   ► powerpc macs and not update them for [TS]

◼   ► three years before the transition to x86 [TS]

◼   ► right and they knew that was coming for [TS]

◼   ► a long time you sell the old computers [TS]

◼   ► right along until you tell the world [TS]

◼   ► hey world we're changing to an [TS]

◼   ► architecture well in all fairness though [TS]

◼   ► that's a bad example because back then [TS]

◼   ► the mac was apple's main product like [TS]

◼   ► they cared a lot more about it they [TS]

◼   ► prioritize a lot more engineering-wise [TS]

◼   ► these days it doesn't seem like it is [TS]

◼   ► that high priority but it's not a high [TS]

◼   ► priority is not a primary whether it's [TS]

◼   ► changing or not and i get back the last [TS]

◼   ► week's argument of like maybe not high [TS]

◼   ► enough priority to care to switch to arm [TS]

◼   ► because then you have to develop arm [TS]

◼   ► chip suitable for all your Mac line and [TS]

◼   ► its cost a lot of money but anyway [TS]

◼   ► second thing is and the the conventional [TS]

◼   ► wisdom about the arm transition is [TS]

◼   ► available is going to convert to arm [TS]

◼   ► they have to essentially pronounce it [TS]

◼   ► because developers need to get their [TS]

◼   ► stuff together the same way they [TS]

◼   ► pronounce the x86 transition they didn't [TS]

◼   ► announce it and say and you can buy an [TS]

◼   ► x86 mac today [TS]

◼   ► nope they had to announce the developers [TS]

◼   ► first and then developers could get like [TS]

◼   ► that test hardware was like a was like a [TS]

◼   ► pentium 4 and a cheese grater case and [TS]

◼   ► all you know you could make sure you [TS]

◼   ► recompile your apps and update all the [TS]

◼   ► tools and blah blah so could be could be [TS]

◼   ► that Apple is converting their whole [TS]

◼   ► line to arm but that is not the that is [TS]

◼   ► not the obvious explanation what's going [TS]

◼   ► on and it's not even the number one most [TS]

◼   ► likely explanation is probably like the [TS]

◼   ► number two or three possible explanation [TS]

◼   ► and I would be very surprised if Apple [TS]

◼   ► is converting the entire Mac lined arm [TS]

◼   ► and didn't tell the world and developers [TS]

◼   ► before you could buy the hardware so I [TS]

◼   ► don't know anyone you have anything else [TS]

◼   ► to add about this is eternal feedback [TS]

◼   ► that that tells us we're adults are not [TS]

◼   ► realizing it's a complete army boot like [TS]

◼   ► it's a nice idea if you don't think [TS]

◼   ► about it for too long or if you're not [TS]

◼   ► familiar with this will be involved or [TS]

◼   ► or like the markets here I just don't [TS]

◼   ► think it's realistic [TS]

◼   ► I I don't think there's enough to say [TS]

◼   ► that Apple couldn't release a whole line [TS]

◼   ► of our max but that's probably good [TS]

◼   ► yeah as we've talked about and and we're [TS]

◼   ► you know we're all under the impression [TS]

◼   ► that they probably have armed os10 [TS]

◼   ► running the labs and have for some time [TS]

◼   ► they probably just maintain it as like a [TS]

◼   ► parallel just in case branch but there [TS]

◼   ► really is just not a lot of motivation [TS]

◼   ► for them to do that right now and as we [TS]

◼   ► discussed you know i'll summarize it [TS]

◼   ► briefly basically it would take a lot of [TS]

◼   ► work would have a lot of downsides and [TS]

◼   ► intelligent isn't bad enough yet [TS]

◼   ► yeah and i'm meghan everyone getting [TS]

◼   ► back to his like our max yes know [TS]

◼   ► whatever but the delay in updating all [TS]

◼   ► the max is unrelated [TS]

◼   ► because like there's no reason why you [TS]

◼   ► would say because we're doing the arm [TS]

◼   ► thing therefore we're going to delay [TS]

◼   ► it's not as if they would say we we [TS]

◼   ► don't have time to update those old [TS]

◼   ► cruddy max we're gonna take every person [TS]

◼   ► who was working on Mac hardware before [TS]

◼   ► and put them all on the Armed hard right [TS]

◼   ► then you know it's it does it doesn't [TS]

◼   ► make any sense and also because there [TS]

◼   ► had been massive delays in the past like [TS]

◼   ► the cheese grater mac pro not being [TS]

◼   ► updated forever and that wasn't [TS]

◼   ► explained by an army boot either just [TS]

◼   ► playing out like there's so many more [TS]

◼   ► explicable reasons about sky like having [TS]

◼   ► bugs and taking a long time to come out [TS]

◼   ► and being delayed and then skipping [TS]

◼   ► generations like those are the actual [TS]

◼   ► reasons why there's a delay even if they [TS]

◼   ► come out with a complete arm reboot in a [TS]

◼   ► month i will still say this theory is [TS]

◼   ► wrong [TS]

◼   ► right because all those delays were not [TS]

◼   ► related to the arm reboot they're [TS]

◼   ► related to all things we've talked about [TS]

◼   ► so many times they're not does not [TS]

◼   ► speculation that they skip generations [TS]

◼   ► they did they skip them and then it's [TS]

◼   ► not speculation that sky like it was [TS]

◼   ► delayed and had rollout problems that's [TS]

◼   ► a real thing that happened that alone is [TS]

◼   ► sufficient to explain the the delay and [TS]

◼   ► what we're complaining about in the past [TS]

◼   ► shows is Apple don't skip generations if [TS]

◼   ► you do any bump and Intel's plan makes [TS]

◼   ► your computer's embarrassingly late [TS]

◼   ► bingo and by the way update your gps [TS]

◼   ► haha in in the other thing I just want [TS]

◼   ► to throw in there really quickly is that [TS]

◼   ► it's been for me personally less than [TS]

◼   ► issues since my new job in since i'm [TS]

◼   ► doing iOS development but in my last job [TS]

◼   ► and that job or two before that as well [TS]

◼   ► as all of the developers generally [TS]

◼   ► speaking used macs but they all lived in [TS]

◼   ► vmware fusion or parallels or on [TS]

◼   ► VirtualBox if they really hated their [TS]

◼   ► lives and virtualizing against the same [TS]

◼   ► chipset is fairly easy you know to have [TS]

◼   ► OS 10 running on x86 and then virtualize [TS]

◼   ► windows which is also running on x86 [TS]

◼   ► that's fairly straightforward and easy [TS]

◼   ► if this was an armed Mac trying to [TS]

◼   ► virtualize x86 that would have just [TS]

◼   ► slowed everything down tremendously in [TS]

◼   ► all likelihood and would really be a [TS]

◼   ► potentially very bad thing for business [TS]

◼   ► users that need to have the MS even [TS]

◼   ► business users that need EMS not for [TS]

◼   ► their day-to-day but for their one old [TS]

◼   ► legacy app that only runs on ie6 and so [TS]

◼   ► they need to boot into XP in a vm to use [TS]

◼   ► that one app like that happened a lot in [TS]

◼   ► in past jobs and maybe if it's just that [TS]

◼   ► one a pin and ie6 you can deal with it [TS]

◼   ► being slow but I mean up until this job [TS]

◼   ► i lived in vmware fusion and i was [TS]

◼   ► developing in vmware fusion and it would [TS]

◼   ► probably be a lot worse if the mac in [TS]

◼   ► which i was using wasn't Intel and to [TS]

◼   ► the point that I would probably have to [TS]

◼   ► use some crappy Dowler when / or [TS]

◼   ► something like that and that would be [TS]

◼   ► just said microphone did take a run of [TS]

◼   ► his arm transition with the whatever the [TS]

◼   ► windows forearm thing for the surface [TS]

◼   ► thing and that's not going to i grant [TS]

◼   ► they did badly they didn't commit [TS]

◼   ► they're just like well we're also [TS]

◼   ► having our version of windows that's [TS]

◼   ► cool right guys and the the market was [TS]

◼   ► like not not that cool because we need [TS]

◼   ► to run or x86 software yeah the only way [TS]

◼   ► to do is the way Apple does it was like [TS]

◼   ► look for changes everything from 68 a [TS]

◼   ► powerpc get on board and if they doing [TS]

◼   ► on transition on Mac I feel like going [TS]

◼   ► to the same thing they're not gonna let [TS]

◼   ► the two computers live on which will [TS]

◼   ► mean exactly Casey said if you've gotta [TS]

◼   ► run that x86 virtualization you're gonna [TS]

◼   ► be super sad and it's the i'm not going [TS]

◼   ► to be it's not gonna be feasible it's [TS]

◼   ► gonna be like the bad old days when Iran [TS]

◼   ► virtual pc to an x86 software on powerpc [TS]

◼   ► and it was so slow just stores do you [TS]

◼   ► remember I think we talked about this [TS]

◼   ► year at some point but they had the like [TS]

◼   ► daughter cards for old old old max I [TS]

◼   ► remember hearing about this when I was a [TS]

◼   ► kid and I had like 46 is on them [TS]

◼   ► yeah yeah it's like a whole pc on a card [TS]

◼   ► yeah right well right and this was just [TS]

◼   ► so that I so that you could have a [TS]

◼   ► somewhat livable virtualization [TS]

◼   ► experience on ancient max alright one [TS]

◼   ► last piece of follow-up and then we we [TS]

◼   ► are finally done we're still fuckable I [TS]

◼   ► don't especially since we recorded what [TS]

◼   ► two nights ago three nights ago how is [TS]

◼   ► this possible these are topics come on [TS]

◼   ► these are just these are really just [TS]

◼   ► hopping all these are all I i can i can [TS]

◼   ► justify everything one of these for [TS]

◼   ► being follow-up and so can you because [TS]

◼   ► you know what they're about Apple is [TS]

◼   ► follow-up I was we talked about it last [TS]

◼   ► episode III have issues with long [TS]

◼   ► follow-up it just so happens that we [TS]

◼   ► have long following beltro and will.i.am [TS]

◼   ► which we sort of kind of new and gary [TS]

◼   ► vaynerchuk i hope i pronounced that [TS]

◼   ► right you did are going to be the [TS]

◼   ► advisors for planet of the apps that was [TS]

◼   ► just announce that today or yesterday [TS]

◼   ► sometime recently as we record them [TS]

◼   ► serving as an open but with paltrow is [TS]

◼   ► going to be a mentor to the contestants [TS]

◼   ► so I guess she's there for like just [TS]

◼   ► moral support and like motivates them [TS]

◼   ► i'm not quite sure what her credentials [TS]

◼   ► are to help people develop applications [TS]

◼   ► but like you go guys anyway she's famous [TS]

◼   ► and then check it check is a PVC so he [TS]

◼   ► guesses on the b-side of the shark tank [TS]

◼   ► vents will.i.am is famous person who [TS]

◼   ► likes apple whose work with Apple a lot [TS]

◼   ► on his entertainment industry person I [TS]

◼   ► guess that's relevant to building apps [TS]

◼   ► if you really entertainment and they [TS]

◼   ► will serve as advisors not sure it's [TS]

◼   ► different than a mentor [TS]

◼   ► anyway if you're wondering who they're [TS]

◼   ► going to be on the show banner check i [TS]

◼   ► could have like that's right up the the [TS]

◼   ► middle of what i was expecting like pcs [TS]

◼   ► who want to promote [TS]

◼   ► themselves in their be serious well [TS]

◼   ► their check is not quite really a VC [TS]

◼   ► he's he does his own stuff he's like a [TS]

◼   ► business consultant he came up through [TS]

◼   ► like the through wine library TV and [TS]

◼   ► then like came up and develop kind of [TS]

◼   ► dislike promotional company with like a [TS]

◼   ► bunch of his own media projects and he's [TS]

◼   ► basically media personality and a [TS]

◼   ► business speaker and business consultant [TS]

◼   ► and everything that he did you worked [TS]

◼   ► with and benjamin has a different no [TS]

◼   ► that's dancing home i believe but [TS]

◼   ► alright Eric no guarantee he he he got [TS]

◼   ► famous by having this really quite [TS]

◼   ► amazing very early video series i don't [TS]

◼   ► even know it was on you i think it was [TS]

◼   ► on youtube but i'm not positive called [TS]

◼   ► wine library TV he his family owns this [TS]

◼   ► big wine retailer in New Jersey and [TS]

◼   ► every day he would just go and do like [TS]

◼   ► this like five minute video tastes like [TS]

◼   ► featuring a couple of wires using from [TS]

◼   ► like a really like New Jersey like [TS]

◼   ► middle-class approach to wine so it's [TS]

◼   ► like very like like note like low BS [TS]

◼   ► like reviewing low-cost stuff like and [TS]

◼   ► he was very good at describing how it [TS]

◼   ► tasted like how this tastes like grass [TS]

◼   ► and like it like he was really he was [TS]

◼   ► surprisingly charismatic and excellent [TS]

◼   ► at this seemingly boring topic of wine [TS]

◼   ► reviews anyway so then his whole career [TS]

◼   ► kind of balloon after that of like you [TS]

◼   ► know being it's like an outrageous like [TS]

◼   ► loud guy who promotes stuff and talk to [TS]

◼   ► businesses about how to do stuff but [TS]

◼   ► actually i would say of the of this list [TS]

◼   ► of people he is probably by far the most [TS]

◼   ► qualified to judge people on how to [TS]

◼   ► learn how to do their app stuff below I [TS]

◼   ► i have i but i have not followed his [TS]

◼   ► work very closely recently but from what [TS]

◼   ► he is on the past he's definitely more [TS]

◼   ► related and and is better knowing like [TS]

◼   ► how to promote stuff real-time follow [TS]

◼   ► gary vaynerchuk did by Corky bought it [TS]

◼   ► from the two that up i'm dancing Roman [TS]

◼   ► dan Benjamin yeah and by the way I found [TS]

◼   ► this out by googling and the homicide [TS]

◼   ► wine cast dotnet brief aside if we could [TS]

◼   ► all go to one cast that net everybody [TS]

◼   ► and look at the logo in the upper [TS]

◼   ► left-hand corner do not make your logo [TS]

◼   ► look like a condo [TS]

◼   ► oh wow gracious that within tiny little [TS]

◼   ► sperm like [TS]

◼   ► crawling its way better job on cast [TS]

◼   ► hello I'm also seeing a PHP warning [TS]

◼   ► being admitted into the page on top [TS]

◼   ► yeah mysql don't feel it's best [TS]

◼   ► parameter 1 to be resource boolean given [TS]

◼   ► wow that's fine [TS]

◼   ► anyway that log right so yes it's [TS]

◼   ► gerrymander shock [TS]

◼   ► well i am who i believe we had already [TS]

◼   ► known was involved with this from a like [TS]

◼   ► producer standpoint or something or [TS]

◼   ► advisor something yeah and like you said [TS]

◼   ► going to show so i don't know i mean i [TS]

◼   ► don't think this is really meant for us [TS]

◼   ► and we talked about this a lot in the [TS]

◼   ► past we need to go into this too much [TS]

◼   ► but i don't think this is a showman for [TS]

◼   ► us i think it's in theory show meant for [TS]

◼   ► people who are not really in the [TS]

◼   ► industry but i'm i'm curious to see it i [TS]

◼   ► will certainly watch just like you know [TS]

◼   ► the new top here i will watch an episode [TS]

◼   ► or two and assuming it is not apple [TS]

◼   ► music so i guess maybe I can't because I [TS]

◼   ► don't subscribe to that music don't know [TS]

◼   ► if i can i will you watch it with my [TS]

◼   ► flex server you have anything that i [TS]

◼   ► will watch an episode or two and I i [TS]

◼   ► suspect it will not be very good but you [TS]

◼   ► know what you don't know until you try [TS]

◼   ► so we'll see what happens I watching for [TS]

◼   ► Gary Vee I like him so i will gladly [TS]

◼   ► watch it for him [TS]

◼   ► fair enough all right at this point I [TS]

◼   ► think we are officially out of follow-up [TS]

◼   ► so what else is awesome these days who [TS]

◼   ► need a break in a cigarette now I don't [TS]

◼   ► smoke [TS]

◼   ► neither one of us do but i can see John [TS]

◼   ► like sneaking under the under the deck [TS]

◼   ► or something [TS]

◼   ► smoking another least likely thing that [TS]

◼   ► will ever see me doing the height of if [TS]

◼   ► any of the three of us had a secret [TS]

◼   ► smoking habit [TS]

◼   ► John be by far the most amusing 12 have [TS]

◼   ► to goodness this smoking out like under [TS]

◼   ► the tree to drop the acorns hitting [TS]

◼   ► every so often thought to be the trees [TS]

◼   ► all the trees defeated for the most part [TS]

◼   ► all that the limbs are cut off one [TS]

◼   ► questionable then when I look up might [TS]

◼   ► still be in line of sight but a lot of [TS]

◼   ► that tree is all gone [TS]

◼   ► that's ok we solve that problem before I [TS]

◼   ► want for my wife's new accord not safe [TS]

◼   ► for ferrari because I don't you want to [TS]

◼   ► leave that outside in the winter and you [TS]

◼   ► don't squeeze it into my garage [TS]

◼   ► ok [TS]

◼   ► we also sponsor this week by Harry's go [TS]

◼   ► to Harry's dot-com / ATP to five dollars [TS]

◼   ► off your first purchase no reason [TS]

◼   ► companies keep putting out new models [TS]

◼   ► and raising their already high prices [TS]

◼   ► well Harry's does not believe in up [TS]

◼   ► charging they just made a bunch of [TS]

◼   ► improvements to their razors and they're [TS]

◼   ► keeping prices exactly the same so it's [TS]

◼   ► still just two dollars per blade [TS]

◼   ► cartridge compared to four or more [TS]

◼   ► dollars you will pay for the big brands [TS]

◼   ► of the drugstore so he's five blade [TS]

◼   ► razors now these new improvements now [TS]

◼   ► include they still the same five blades [TS]

◼   ► they now have a softer flex hinge for [TS]

◼   ► more comfortable glide they have a [TS]

◼   ► trimmer blade for hard-to-reach places [TS]

◼   ► they have a lubricating strip on one [TS]

◼   ► side and a textured handle for more [TS]

◼   ► control when it's wet so that it had [TS]

◼   ► like a rubber grip on the handle now so [TS]

◼   ► Harry's was founded by two friends to [TS]

◼   ► offer people a great shave at fair [TS]

◼   ► prices razors they were there they [TS]

◼   ► market them mostly towards men however [TS]

◼   ► we hear from lots of women [TS]

◼   ► these are really unisex razors and women [TS]

◼   ► can women use them too and they are [TS]

◼   ► great for both now qualities a hundred [TS]

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◼   ► your shade Harry's will fully refund [TS]

◼   ► your money and these these blades are [TS]

◼   ► made in this incredible German blade [TS]

◼   ► factory that Harry's bought and they [TS]

◼   ► sell their own razors direct from this [TS]

◼   ► factory and because of selling directly [TS]

◼   ► on the factory and there's no retailer [TS]

◼   ► anything else they literally charge you [TS]

◼   ► half the price or less of what you're [TS]

◼   ► paying at the drugstore for similar for [TS]

◼   ► similar blades from big brands forget [TS]

◼   ► the starter set today this to the harry [TS]

◼   ► started as an amazing deal you get a [TS]

◼   ► weighted razor handle of your choice [TS]

◼   ► moisturizing shave cream three [TS]

◼   ► precision-engineered five blade [TS]

◼   ► cartridges and travel cover off for just [TS]

◼   ► 15 bucks and that's 15 bucks at the [TS]

◼   ► regular price but again if you go to [TS]

◼   ► Harry's calm / ATP you will get five [TS]

◼   ► dollars off your first purchase that [TS]

◼   ► means you could get this article for [TS]

◼   ► just ten bucks that would be ten bucks [TS]

◼   ► to cover handle shaving cream and three [TS]

◼   ► blade cartridges [TS]

◼   ► that's incredible that's incredible deal [TS]

◼   ► so right now go to Harry's calm / ATP to [TS]

◼   ► claim that deal that's Harry's calm / [TS]

◼   ► ATP thanks a lot [TS]

◼   ► there's a rumor that apple has pivoted [TS]

◼   ► their brand a hand is going to be taking [TS]

◼   ► a different approach to the apple TV as [TS]

◼   ► in like the setup the the television set [TS]

◼   ► sort of that again again recode reports [TS]

◼   ► that they're going to make the most [TS]

◼   ► baller TV Guide ever at the growth [TS]

◼   ► industry the right and I guess the plan [TS]

◼   ► is to be able to let you search and no [TS]

◼   ► matter where the thing you're looking [TS]

◼   ► for maybe get paid or not or whatever it [TS]

◼   ► will figure out a way to get it to you [TS]

◼   ► presumably through your existing [TS]

◼   ► accounts like Netflix whatever which i [TS]

◼   ► think it can do already but also perhaps [TS]

◼   ► by partnerships with some of the [TS]

◼   ► traditional TV folks like maybe ABC or [TS]

◼   ► CBS or something like that so I mean [TS]

◼   ► this is kinda cool and I would certainly [TS]

◼   ► be interested in it but I mean like you [TS]

◼   ► said Marko this is I don't know TV I [TS]

◼   ► don't want to say it's not long for this [TS]

◼   ► world because I mean it's been around [TS]

◼   ► for a long time on Cinco see it going [TS]

◼   ► away that soon but I mean is this the [TS]

◼   ► the sign of major changes and how we [TS]

◼   ► consume our television I mean that in [TS]

◼   ► netflix and and and an Amazon creating [TS]

◼   ► their own television shows and I what do [TS]

◼   ► you think this seems like kind of [TS]

◼   ► extension of what they're already trying [TS]

◼   ► to do with the apple TV they already [TS]

◼   ► have Universal Search and it is i think [TS]

◼   ► it is still limited to partners only on [TS]

◼   ► the appletv at least it's not an iOS app [TS]

◼   ► so that they already have like you know [TS]

◼   ► cross provider search with Cirie and and [TS]

◼   ► being being able to search for a TV show [TS]

◼   ► or movie or whatever and say alright [TS]

◼   ► well it's available on netflix on HBO go [TS]

◼   ► and for my to like they can already list [TS]

◼   ► all this like that's already there so if [TS]

◼   ► this is just kind of an extension of [TS]

◼   ► that our expansion of that that's great [TS]

◼   ► you know that's that's good [TS]

◼   ► I i would question their ability to get [TS]

◼   ► these deals though because it seems like [TS]

◼   ► we've been hearing reports for what [TS]

◼   ► three years now that Apple keeps trying [TS]

◼   ► to make like a TV service like one grand [TS]

◼   ► new TV service to rule them all [TS]

◼   ► oh you know or something along those [TS]

◼   ► lines [TS]

◼   ► honestly I you know like there's a story [TS]

◼   ► writers making fun of you know last week [TS]

◼   ► whenever about it about a eq walk into [TS]

◼   ► the meeting with TV executives wearing [TS]

◼   ► like shoes without socks and a Hawaiian [TS]

◼   ► shirt and jeans whatever whatever it was [TS]

◼   ► and apples basically like you know where [TS]

◼   ► Apple screw you [TS]

◼   ► method of negotiation with TV companies [TS]

◼   ► and who knows that was real or not you [TS]

◼   ► know we don't really know and how [TS]