The Accidental Tech Podcast

185: The Delaware of Europe

 

  it's been a long time it has Pence [TS]

  surprisingly long time it was like two [TS]

  weeks ago right [TS]

  yes it was the 18 so it's two weeks and [TS]

  a day Wow am I missed you guys a lot has [TS]

  happened in the meantime chiefly that I [TS]

  determined that i like the beach now [TS]

  funny how that is we should we should [TS]

  actually examine that how old are you [TS]

  now that it took so long [TS]

  well before you beat up on Marco I was [TS]

  lucky that i just discovered i like the [TS]

  beach about two to three years and then [TS]

  maybe three years ago so apparently mark [TS]

  and I are equally slow on this [TS]

  realization i don't know what's wrong [TS]

  with you guys [TS]

  how so how many times did you have to [TS]

  rent a house on the beach for a few days [TS]

  to like it [TS]

  I actually would say the first time we [TS]

  did that i liked it but but it is [TS]

  important to note that I was well into [TS]

  adulthood at this point and i don't [TS]

  remember it was it with you guys i was [TS]

  discussing this might have been on the [TS]

  post-show but the pop-up what they call [TS]

  them like awnings are not wanting shoot [TS]

  after they call them umbrellas you push [TS]

  the middle and the you-know-where tent [TS]

  the little 10 thingies [TS]

  yes like a tent but it's just the roof [TS]

  part of the tent so it's like a big [TS]

  square that's like yeah we saw a picture [TS]

  of your thing that you should never ever [TS]

  bring on a beach [TS]

  why because this is not a thing design [TS]

  that's for like having like a catered [TS]

  outdoor wedding [TS]

  oh yeah mostly not from breaking on the [TS]

  beach instant canopy is apparently what [TS]

  is officially called do not bring it to [TS]

  the beach you know if you want a lot of [TS]

  shade from the Sun which is what i want [TS]

  when i go to the beach [TS]

  that's perfect way to do it well but add [TS]

  disqus I'm those those tend to have a [TS]

  pretty poor shade to weight ratio there [TS]

  they're also yeah yeah the amount of [TS]

  shade they provide we we got we had a a [TS]

  very large kind of extended umbrella [TS]

  like the idea you put it like diagonally [TS]

  down like the polls running diagonally [TS]

  the one in the sand and then the other [TS]

  side kind of resting on the sand but it [TS]

  has like extra-long flaps on two sides [TS]

  so it kind of makes like a tent but [TS]

  that's open on one side so you get a ton [TS]

  of shade in the total weight of an [TS]

  umbrella so it's pretty that was pretty [TS]

  awesome [TS]

  yeah that works out nicely I've seen [TS]

  things like that so yeah so to go back a [TS]

  half step so the first time we rented a [TS]

  house that [TS]

  I will that I participated in any way we [TS]

  had one of these instant canopies the [TS]

  point is not as much the instant can be [TS]

  just canopy just the fact that their [TS]

  shade [TS]

  however you decide to get your shade [TS]

  umbrella 10t thing instant canopy [TS]

  doesn't matter the shade indoor its own [TS]

  independent so we had shade i had i [TS]

  think the first year I when I read ready [TS]

  player one and don't listen to what John [TS]

  says about ready player wants a great [TS]

  book i also have booze and that [TS]

  combination really worked out nicely for [TS]

  me and ever since then I've found that [TS]

  if i shade and a book or a you know iOS [TS]

  device with the internet connection and [TS]

  I don't even need booze anymore although [TS]

  it helps its it actually is not too bad [TS]

  experience so what turn the corner for [TS]

  you Marco what what made you decide this [TS]

  is not so bad [TS]

  so last year we went to the same place [TS]

  fire island we spent five days they're [TS]

  so part of the problem was that i was [TS]

  really sick for them for most of that [TS]

  time so I wasn't really able to fully [TS]

  enjoy the time this year we were there [TS]

  for seven or eight days eight days and I [TS]

  was not sick so even last year the [TS]

  shorter time and being fairly [TS]

  uncomfortable most of the time I still [TS]

  enjoyed it last year I still enjoyed the [TS]

  place i enjoyed walking around because [TS]

  while I don't really care for the actual [TS]

  beach itself very much i do like the the [TS]

  ocean breeze the air i do like the the [TS]

  beach town and Firearms pretty awesome [TS]

  that you kind of walk around everywhere [TS]

  there's no cars and everything is really [TS]

  kind of tightly packed on this little [TS]

  tiny strip violin so everything's very [TS]

  walkable and so I really enjoyed that [TS]

  part of it last year but just it was it [TS]

  was hard to really enjoy the whole trip [TS]

  because of my condition but this year I [TS]

  spent a little more time on the actual [TS]

  beach this year and I kind of learned [TS]

  how to make it work for me a little bit [TS]

  i still don't love like being in the sun [TS]

  or going in the water or eating seafood [TS]

  but i found ways to enjoy myself on the [TS]

  actual beach and then because we were [TS]

  there for longer and I was feeling [TS]

  better this year i greatly enjoyed the [TS]

  rest of the town and the weekend the [TS]

  environment as well so basically i [TS]

  really enjoyed it quite a bit and and [TS]

  and like a [TS]

  days was enough time I feel like if [TS]

  you're if you're somewhere for it for [TS]

  like three to five days you kind of were [TS]

  still in vacation like sightseeing kind [TS]

  of metallic active mode the whole time [TS]

  and there's a certain threshold which i [TS]

  think i passed this trip where like if [TS]

  you somewhere for long enough you can [TS]

  start living there [TS]

  does that make sense it does actually i [TS]

  dunno what you're saying like you can [TS]

  let you can get into a different mode [TS]

  with okay now this is just like what [TS]

  it's like to live here basically for a [TS]

  short time as opposed to like being like [TS]

  active doing stuff vacation mode you [TS]

  know the whole time so i got a brief a [TS]

  brief sense of that like living mode and [TS]

  I really enjoyed it [TS]

  so what made the beach itself bearable [TS]

  that like I had said that you know in [TS]

  the past having booze in a book and I [TS]

  should actually elaborate that having [TS]

  Declan their particular reason it and [TS]

  then positive mood which is usually [TS]

  that's also just tremendously fun what [TS]

  turned the corner for you on the beach [TS]

  specifically also part of it was that [TS]

  you know part of it was that the entire [TS]

  family really enjoys it so everyone's [TS]

  happy everyone's having fun just always [TS]

  like stuff to do nobody's ever bored I'm [TS]

  so that's really nice but also you know [TS]

  I just kind of figured out like how to [TS]

  sit in the shade for a little bit this [TS]

  year I've kind of I don't know if this [TS]

  is a good thing or a bad thing it's [TS]

  probably some of both but I'm finally [TS]

  learning how to be able to turn my brain [TS]

  off for more than like 20 minutes at a [TS]

  time like in the sense that i'm able to [TS]

  like relax and not wish i was sitting at [TS]

  a computer getting stuff done all the [TS]

  time and this this could be dangerous [TS]

  like this could go too far and I never [TS]

  want to work again i think i'm going to [TS]

  try to get a better balance of that and [TS]

  so I kind of got that this year where I [TS]

  like last year because i was pretty sick [TS]

  and it was a shorter time and I was [TS]

  right in the middle of trying to write [TS]

  piece last year actually worked a lot on [TS]

  that trip I mostly like state back the [TS]

  house and everyone to the beach and I [TS]

  mainly for my laptop this year I brought [TS]

  all my work with me I thought get a lot [TS]

  done and I got almost nothing done they [TS]

  would like shockingly little considering [TS]

  like out how much i get done last year [TS]

  versus this year so I kind of learned [TS]

  how to take a vacation and it was to the [TS]

  point where like I want to [TS]

  i'm home i really missed it which has [TS]

  never ever happened with any vacation [TS]

  ever taken [TS]

  that's also every every occasion ever [TS]

  take when i get home i can't thank God [TS]

  home i can get back to everything this [TS]

  time I was like online i miss vacation [TS]

  anyway so I'm broken forever how are you [TS]

  guys [TS]

  well I'm waiting for john to to [TS]

  completely obliterate us for having just [TS]

  realized that the beach is a thing and [TS]

  you've been distressingly quiet John so [TS]

  tell us what what do you have to say [TS]

  about the beach i love it like it it's [TS]

  extra insulting that i'm also going to [TS]

  fire island which I'm pretty sure is [TS]

  where John has gone for beaches for [TS]

  years now I'm gonna fire around but I go [TS]

  the butterflies and I i don't think i [TS]

  think i have to add is that I have not [TS]

  wanted to work and love the beach since [TS]

  I was a single digit that way ahead of [TS]

  you you just now getting to the point [TS]

  where you don't want to work and love [TS]

  the beach congratulations [TS]

  they think they're pretty much the rest [TS]

  of the human race his wish [TS]

  yeah you can I curve that's what [TS]

  everybody wants to do is not work and go [TS]

  to the beach and you're just like you [TS]

  know what the beach is fun working sucks [TS]

  turns out hey I never knew so there's a [TS]

  few ways actually in many ways in which [TS]

  i am a terrible geek by typical geek [TS]

  standards one of those things i don't [TS]

  like anime or star trek or fantasy like [TS]

  Lord of the Rings type stuff you don't [TS]

  know you don't like anime ok and so [TS]

  anyway I think in this way John I think [TS]

  you're a bad geek i think most geeks [TS]

  will have the problem that I've had [TS]

  forever which is not really being able [TS]

  to turn my brain off for more than like [TS]

  a day or two without getting restless [TS]

  no you're that mean that's not a geek [TS]

  thing that's a workaholic thing there's [TS]

  a difference [TS]

  yep concur is it well I think there's a [TS]

  lot of overlap there because like it's [TS]

  not necessarily that I want to do [TS]

  specific work that I want to do some [TS]

  like I want to do something that's but [TS]

  that's why your workaholic but I'm not [TS]

  because I don't want to work on like you [TS]

  know boring stuff to get it done I want [TS]

  to work on like weird mp3 encoder [TS]

  install your also you're also better [TS]

  relaxing when you're describing like I [TS]

  felt like I got into like the vacation [TS]

  mode where it's like you're living [TS]

  there's like no you just finally relaxed [TS]

  like it in the street like what Merlin [TS]

  talks about this to like he goes on [TS]

  vacation takes like three days to do in [TS]

  to get into whatever mode [TS]

  is another weird great phrase was just [TS]

  like you have to learn how to relax and [TS]

  that's another skill that I've always [TS]

  been very good at I'm really good at [TS]

  relaxing i'm an expert relaxing in fact [TS]

  i think most people if you said starting [TS]

  now sit on your butt and do nothing they [TS]

  just descend into a little puddle under [TS]

  like but some other people takes a while [TS]

  to sort of to untie the 700 twisty ties [TS]

  that are around their invisible twisty [TS]

  ties that are around their brain at all [TS]

  times and just slowly unwind and turn [TS]

  and turn and then finally they released [TS]

  you can go and then you go home [TS]

  applications / yeah and I did finally I [TS]

  was thinking of you John much of the [TS]

  time because as i was trying to like [TS]

  manage having a big camera and my phone [TS]

  at the beach of course sand is [TS]

  everywhere sand in my pockets you know [TS]

  what else in people's pockets sand like [TS]

  that i was thinking of you and your [TS]

  quotes from this show going back years [TS]

  of you everytime out of the exact doing [TS]

  something bad so how did your dad your [TS]

  big fancy camera fair and the hostile [TS]

  environment of the beach very well [TS]

  actually [TS]

  iid funnily enough I did appreciate when [TS]

  I had the slightly longer lens on it [TS]

  I mean I brought the my brother 35 and [TS]

  55 primes and the the 35 pictures were [TS]

  decent but I I was happier in general [TS]

  255 pictures so i got a lot of amazing [TS]

  pictures and just destroyed my laptop [TS]

  trying to process them in Lightroom on [TS]

  battery which is hilarious but so how [TS]

  far how far you out in the water with [TS]

  the expensive camera like ankles knees [TS]

  well i was i was still in the wave zone [TS]

  so like not necessarily a fixed depth [TS]

  but at the the closest i would let it [TS]

  get was like like the bottom of my [TS]

  shorts like once I was that deep i would [TS]

  hold the camera up with my head if it [TS]

  was a big wave coming in or like the end [TS]

  they were I think twice it got a little [TS]

  bit of splash on it but but otherwise [TS]

  was putting up i think for someone with [TS]

  not a lot of beach experience I don't [TS]

  think you realize exactly how close you [TS]

  are that entire time to destroy your [TS]

  camera because you're like oh you know [TS]

  the wave comes to hold up you don't [TS]

  realize that like all it takes is one [TS]

  false move or not paying attention for [TS]

  two seconds in one way that's a little [TS]

  bit [TS]

  getting the other ones to put your on [TS]

  your butt and put that camera in the [TS]

  water so I think you were pretty lucky [TS]

  and pretty brave to go out even that [TS]

  deep with your camera [TS]

  I think you might be overestimating how [TS]

  deep I was it was literally like I was [TS]

  only in like the waves splash zone and [TS]

  the most i got was if if the wave at [TS]

  maximum splash was tall enough to get [TS]

  the bottom of my shorts wet [TS]

  yeah those waves they look pretty [TS]

  small-time a few pictures you have but [TS]

  you haven't liked you [TS]

  if the water is touching your bathing [TS]

  suit yeah you think I'm fine right [TS]

  especially because when the big one [TS]

  comes the so much water will go out but [TS]

  it will just be barely touching your [TS]

  ankles and take two steps in and the big [TS]

  one comes in and pay attention [TS]

  sprüche anyway I'm glad you you dodged [TS]

  the bullet and managed to keep your [TS]

  camera live and take some good pictures [TS]

  yeah they really got a lot of great [TS]

  pictures and I spent a lot of time just [TS]

  like picking through them and bloody [TS]

  processing them posing for some [TS]

  instagram and i finally started I think [TS]

  I'm kind of getting the vacation is [TS]

  about funnily enough though every time I [TS]

  take a vacation where I have my giant [TS]

  15-inch macbook pro i'm so happy i have [TS]

  that 15-inch macbook pro and not [TS]

  anything smaller or weaker is like the [TS]

  things I do in vacation like either i [TS]

  need nothing from it or I need all the [TS]

  power and screens because i can get so [TS]

  my my previously stated plans about [TS]

  maybe going to a 13 macbook pro in the [TS]

  new ones come out those plans are out [TS]

  the window [TS]

  I'm going to either keep what I have to [TS]

  get the new 15 yeah I honestly don't [TS]

  understand how anyone who doesn't travel [TS]

  for a living has anything smaller than a [TS]

  15-inch laptop like I typically do not [TS]

  use my work laptop at home and it's [TS]

  always clamshell dat work and whether or [TS]

  not you think that's a smart choice [TS]

  whatever but the point is I very rarely [TS]

  use the screen on the laptop but every [TS]

  time I do I couldn't agree with you more [TS]

  I don't understand how anyone could do [TS]

  anything productive with less real [TS]

  estate again if you're like traveling [TS]

  professionally totally get that but for [TS]

  regular humans of 15 all the way oh yeah [TS]

  i mean it and like I had tweeted the [TS]

  other day i'm pissed everybody off where [TS]

  I said basically like as as using my [TS]

  laptop like the things i want our [TS]

  better battery and faster thing I don't [TS]

  really care about is make it a like [TS]

  fifteen percent lighter i think i think [TS]

  whatever whatever measure right i used [TS]

  and it's got a lot of people angry they [TS]

  were saying I where I walk with mine to [TS]

  work every day blah blah and I would [TS]

  love for to be fifteen percent lighter [TS]

  and i get that x is that too is that for [TS]

  years and the majority of the time of [TS]

  tumblr i was walking with laptop in a [TS]

  bag pretty far every day and most of the [TS]

  time with 15-inch and this was back when [TS]

  the 15-inch was like five point seven [TS]

  pounds now I think they're 4.5 and [TS]

  probably about to get lighter so like I [TS]

  I know what that's like [TS]

  and in fact much of the time i also had [TS]

  an SLR and a couple links in the bed [TS]

  with his wife Alex was not kind of my [TS]

  shoulders so I i get that if you're [TS]

  walking with it back and forth that does [TS]

  that does you know that the total weight [TS]

  of it does matter however when you get [TS]

  down to like you have like already a [TS]

  four-and-a-half or whatever pound laptop [TS]

  if the weight savings brings it down [TS]

  like let's say it's a pretty good saving [TS]

  let's say it goes from four and a half [TS]

  pounds 24 pounds that's a pretty [TS]

  substantial savings in the world of like [TS]

  you know laptop upgrades basically [TS]

  suppose a blow out of the water somehow [TS]

  I think it's unrealistic but let's say [TS]

  to go to three-and-a-half let's shave a [TS]

  whole pound off it again I think it's [TS]

  unrealistic but if they do that the [TS]

  total weight of the bag you're carrying [TS]

  is probably like 15 pounds like people [TS]

  carry a lot of stuff in their bag the [TS]

  bag itself weighs a lot [TS]

  empty if you're carrying a power adapter [TS]

  or not that's like another like almost [TS]

  pounds eight people carry so much that [TS]

  if you really really need to save half a [TS]

  pound or one pound in the carry weight [TS]

  of your bag there are probably many [TS]

  other ways you can do that and if you're [TS]

  carrying enough stuff [TS]

  you actually might not quite notice that [TS]

  very much like it so basically i think [TS]

  people when when they speculate on how [TS]

  much they need laptop weight savings in [TS]

  these little increments [TS]

  I think that might be overestimating how [TS]

  much they would actually notice that in [TS]

  practice how much different it would [TS]

  actually make in practice and ignoring [TS]

  ways that you could say that not in some [TS]

  other way so for example like one of the [TS]

  ways i save weight when I was walking to [TS]

  and from work with laptops everyday is [TS]

  actually got a second power adapter and [TS]

  kept one at work so I never had a power [TS]

  adapter in my bag up and that alone at [TS]

  these are you know this with 15-inch day [TS]

  so that's it [TS]

  the pound right the hair you know like [TS]

  simple stuff like that and you know if [TS]

  you carry you know a an ipad and maybe [TS]

  don't need you don't care the keyboard [TS]

  like their stuff like that like there's [TS]

  there are ways you can you can either [TS]

  spend a bit of money to have some [TS]

  redundancy on both ends and things like [TS]

  power adapters or accessories or just [TS]

  make some tough decisions about do i [TS]

  really need to carry this thing if [TS]

  Carrie it's a big problem i highly [TS]

  suggest using a backpack and not a [TS]

  messenger bag like there's lots of other [TS]

  ways you can do this that will have way [TS]

  larger effects then if your laptop alone [TS]

  with no other changes got fifteen [TS]

  percent lighter agree all right we [TS]

  should probably do a little bit of [TS]

  follow-up now that were 20 that program [TS]

  is a little I'd like to start with a [TS]

  couple of notes first of all I have [TS]

  returned my 32 gigs of ram i have i have [TS]

  received 32 replacement gigs of ram and [TS]

  my uptime is currently nine days are you [TS]

  plug into the UPS yes I am okay and I'm [TS]

  expecting the google apps are you [TS]

  recording in mob format i am recording [TS]

  every freakin format and his son what [TS]

  color are your recording in here [TS]

  regarding mob is not even how you [TS]

  pronounce the company [TS]

  oh my goodness but anyway but as I've [TS]

  nine days sometimes so far we'll see if [TS]

  it continues of course now i have [TS]

  several system updates I've been putting [TS]

  off for my testing purposes so please [TS]

  don't have me but so far so good as i [TS]

  knock very quietly on wood moving on I i [TS]

  have not yet looked at the reddit [TS]

  because i don't really go to read it [TS]

  ever and i haven't been trolling their [TS]

  mentions because i haven't had the time [TS]

  nor the inclination [TS]

  however if the entire internet isn't [TS]

  beating the piss out of hello internet [TS]

  for issuing an episode on vinyl then i [TS]

  give up because i paid the price for [TS]

  saying that vinyl may not be an [TS]

  embarrassment for months and here it is [TS]

  they're releasing an entire special [TS]

  episode of Hello internet on vinyl if [TS]

  all of you jerks aren't going after they [TS]

  really i didn't even know this is going [TS]

  to [TS]

  ok if all of my jokes are going after [TS]

  them like you went after me then I'm [TS]

  sorely disappointed because they deserve [TS]

  it you shouldn't be because they're [TS]

  doing it as a joke get it's funny and on [TS]

  the show where they talk about it they [TS]

  both it they throw in a few digs at the [TS]

  people who think vinyl sounds better [TS]

  haha those people were they thinking [TS]

  right like so they're on there on the [TS]

  right side there on the on this whole [TS]

  thing and the whole idea is that it's [TS]

  silly in the joke the entire thing is a [TS]

  joke so why would people make fun if [TS]

  they had released and said finally [TS]

  people can listen to our voices and [TS]

  higher fidelity format then people would [TS]

  be on them believe me that's not what [TS]

  they said [TS]

  I'll i wonder like how many people who [TS]

  saw this is this is apparently extremely [TS]

  sold out now how many people who buy [TS]

  this have a way to even play it like if [TS]

  I have discussed on the program like I [TS]

  went here to come by it but like if if I [TS]

  even could get myself a copy which I [TS]

  can't right now they're sold out but if [TS]

  i could get 1i have to like go to my [TS]

  mom's house to go to casey's dad's house [TS]

  to actually play it and by the way [TS]

  because vinyl is so stupid it's only 45 [TS]

  minutes long and flip in the middle you [TS]

  clearly did not live through the [TS]

  laserdisc era should use the Smart speed [TS]

  to record it could've been more on well [TS]

  yeah at least laces players they would a [TS]

  most of them with with the whole head [TS]

  would flips you didn't have to move the [TS]

  disk but uh but yeah it's I'm glad you [TS]

  pointed out that you'd have to go to my [TS]

  dad's house because i I really don't [TS]

  think most people understand that I [TS]

  don't even have a record player i have a [TS]

  turntable because I i don't have the [TS]

  space nor the inclination for it but the [TS]

  terrible [TS]

  in any case I i backed the internet i [TS]

  expect the internet to say hello hello [TS]

  Internet [TS]

  you guys are idiots because that's what [TS]

  you did to me and I understand the [TS]

  distinction but usually you shouldn't [TS]

  expected you understand the joke you [TS]

  understand that on the program they [TS]

  directly address the thing that everyone [TS]

  was yelling at you about it instead of [TS]

  what you said yes sort of [TS]

  uh-huh and I heard it I heard it but [TS]

  anyway so yeah so all of you jerks you [TS]

  can go after them now it can be [TS]

  releasing episode cassette sure maybe [TS]

  actually although you know we should do [TS]

  many discs a track floppy disk 8-track [TS]

  god you are old and floppy disk you're [TS]

  not going to get a lot of state right [TS]

  you don't have to flip that it just [TS]

  keeps playing its true light if we [TS]

  really crammed down the bit rate and do [TS]

  like heaa see I'm pretty sure we can get [TS]

  like 10 minutes on a floppy maybe I [TS]

  should come on like 17 floppy disks [TS]

  anybody like you do that would you [TS]

  I remember tippy I think I've told the [TS]

  story before with the biggest flop into [TS]

  stories you remember the 1984 apple [TS]

  commercial well in the early days of [TS]

  quicktime Apple put out a quicktime [TS]

  version of the 1984 commercial which [TS]

  must have been like a lower resolution [TS]

  than then Mac OS icon is today and it [TS]

  was like with the centre-back [TS]

  compression algorithm it looked terrible [TS]

  and it was really small and but i was so [TS]

  excited to have it like i had a digital [TS]

  version of that commercial died you know [TS]

  because back before you had a video on [TS]

  the internet how many times as a maximum [TS]

  had you seen the Apple 1984 commercial [TS]

  on like on the clear awards you know [TS]

  retrospectives and stuff like that but [TS]

  in general you tended not to see the ad [TS]

  anywhere you could just go look at it on [TS]

  youtube there was no YouTube has no [TS]

  videos finally I had a copy on video but [TS]

  the only way i could start anywhere was [TS]

  to put it on floppy disk because that [TS]

  was my only rule media so i did a [TS]

  multi-part stuffit expander archive in [TS]

  20-25 parts and 125 floppy disks good i [TS]

  think i still have like a rubber band [TS]

  around the things like 25 floppy disks [TS]

  right and I was take them but each like [TS]

  the skin piece at a time onto like a [TS]

  hard drive or something and then [TS]

  reassemble them into hole then [TS]

  decompressing I would have a tiny [TS]

  postage stamp-sized video of this [TS]

  commercial so my favorite sloppy the [TS]

  story which I mentioned probably on the [TS]

  show before was when I was kid we ran [TS]

  os/2 at home because that work for IBM [TS]

  and you can say a bunch of terrible [TS]

  things about us too but in some ways was [TS]

  superior god this doesn't sound familiar [TS]

  halt it anyway [TS]

  yes so let's do is the vinyl with [TS]

  operating systems in some ways it was [TS]

  superior but i got my hand will dad got [TS]

  his hands on a beta of os/2 warp and [TS]

  that thing was on i kid you not [TS]

  something like 50 floppy disks are well [TS]

  they were they were the you know what is [TS]

  a three-and-a-half so they weren't [TS]

  really floppy at that point but anyway [TS]

  three-and-a-half-inch day they were [TS]

  internally floppy yeah you're right and [TS]

  so [TS]

  I remember installing that thing took me [TS]

  like 14 weeks because it was just sit [TS]

  there and wait across each of these [TS]

  discs it was ridiculous [TS]

  see this is why I like I'm not nostalgic [TS]

  about vinyl because I grew up with a [TS]

  record player in the house that my mom [TS]

  used regularly and I would occasionally [TS]

  uses well and I like it annoyed me and I [TS]

  grew up then you know eventually when [TS]

  computers happened I grew up with with [TS]

  five and a quarter and then [TS]

  three-and-a-half inch floppy disks and [TS]

  lived through cassette tapes before CDs [TS]

  were thing so all these old technologies [TS]

  like like us looking back on vinyl i [TS]

  think is gonna be like if our children [TS]

  when they are old enough to to become [TS]

  their own version of hipsters when they [TS]

  look at that age they have like a fond [TS]

  recollections of cassette tapes even [TS]

  like they really kind of never used them [TS]

  and they're terrible like that I don't [TS]

  know [TS]

  vinyl to me is it I don't see why any [TS]

  better than cassette tapes and cassette [TS]

  tapes themselves are terrible and we [TS]

  moved on and I've moved on and the world [TS]

  has moved on and everyone's moved on [TS]

  except Casey right so speaking of moving [TS]

  on from old things [TS]

  let's talk about installing operating [TS]

  systems on one machine and then moving [TS]

  to another [TS]

  oh she's afraid about this a lot of [TS]

  people are angry at Marco because all a [TS]

  lot of Denmark's that mean things about [TS]

  windows [TS]

  and he was angry and now people are [TS]

  angry that he was angry but I'm mostly [TS]

  setting that aside because I feel like [TS]

  Marco has taken his medicine from all [TS]

  the windows users who have emailed him [TS]

  to tell him what he said is wrong and i [TS]

  don't know i have meetings about that [TS]

  oh alright well anyway you can address [TS]

  that the only reason i put this in here [TS]

  is because one of one of the points that [TS]

  was brought up in fact I brought up in [TS]

  the program is the idea that marco was [TS]

  going to install windows onto an [TS]

  external drive and boot multiple [TS]

  possibly different machines from like [TS]

  Buddha laptop not just 25 k imax Buddha [TS]

  laptop from it and then reinstall [TS]

  windows when it's connected to a laptop [TS]

  then use that same disk to boot the 5k [TS]

  iMac which has very different hardware [TS]

  and many windows were going to tell us [TS]

  well why did you ever think that would [TS]

  work and I said on the program that's a [TS]

  bad idea for a variety of reasons but [TS]

  it's not just as a you know Mac or Apple [TS]

  fans might think because OS 10 is better [TS]

  anyone knows this crappy because i was [TS]

  ten days most mac users know you can [TS]

  install that on a disconnected to pretty [TS]

  much any computer and then plug it into [TS]

  pretty much any other computer and boots [TS]

  that computer fine [TS]

  yeah which one person wrote in to say [TS]

  you know Lois 10 wouldn't work that way [TS]

  either and it yeah actually does work [TS]

  that way the vast majority of the spin [TS]

  and I reply to the reply to the present [TS]

  yeah doesn't everybody here's the thing [TS]

  alright so this is all true it does work [TS]

  that way and if you're mostly mac user [TS]

  or mostly recently a Mac user you might [TS]

  think that windows work the same way [TS]

  like it's a reasonable mistake not quite [TS]

  as reasonable for Marco spent a long [TS]

  time with Windows but still set that [TS]

  aside but like i said the reason OS 10 [TS]

  works that way when it doesn't is not [TS]

  because Microsoft is done and apples [TS]

  Smart in this particular case it's [TS]

  because it's basically impossible for [TS]

  windows to do it always tend to always [TS]

  10 installed everything in its almost [TS]

  insulation all the drivers everything on [TS]

  there because why not it only supports a [TS]

  very limited range of hardware Apple [TS]

  knows every piece of hardware in every [TS]

  single machine that is officially [TS]

  supported by his operating system and [TS]

  that set of hardware is small windows [TS]

  can't take every driver for every [TS]

  machine that windows could possibly run [TS]

  on and install it because your [TS]

  installation would be gigantic it's that [TS]

  it's literally impossible there's too [TS]

  many drivers from too many different [TS]

  places they have to do a thing where [TS]

  they do is kind of like a custom install [TS]

  for just the hardware that you [TS]

  now you might say that windows could [TS]

  then after bootup time be smarter about [TS]

  pulling down new drivers on demand or [TS]

  whatever but anything involved in the [TS]

  boot process or like getting the video [TS]

  driver to work so you're thinking even [TS]

  get to the point where it's downloading [TS]

  stuff it's very complicated like [TS]

  basically the option that Apple goes [TS]

  with is not available to Microsoft they [TS]

  cannot say we're just going to install [TS]

  the same files and every single windows [TS]

  installation and then it will boot every [TS]

  single computer so if you thought about [TS]

  it for a little while you had no [TS]

  experience your for with as you would [TS]

  think wait they can't do the apple thing [TS]

  which is kind of a shame and Microsoft's [TS]

  own fault for having the business model [TS]

  that brought them to massive dominance [TS]

  of the pc industry for most of my entire [TS]

  life but here it is going back around [TS]

  and it means that Marco can get a game [TS]

  to work in the time but alright so [TS]

  couple of very small updates that story [TS]

  basically so that the most of the hatred [TS]

  for my actions in this story which again [TS]

  was was quite strong have most of the [TS]

  hatred of photon a few a few key points [TS]

  number one was I can't believe you [TS]

  expected that to work by having an [TS]

  external drive installation move between [TS]

  computers use into coverage now [TS]

  yeah you're right I shouldn't expect [TS]

  that to work i forgot how picky windows [TS]

  about drivers i haven't used windows [TS]

  reliably i have used windows really at [TS]

  all in about 10 years and I haven't used [TS]

  heavily in about 12 years so yeah well I [TS]

  am NOT very move on to the next thing [TS]

  there is a somewhat reasonable chance [TS]

  that you could have thought that this [TS]

  would work because you are of course [TS]

  installing the bootcamp drivers in the [TS]

  boot camp drivers are in exactly the [TS]

  same situation is like they only have to [TS]

  support a limited amount of hardware so [TS]

  in theory [TS]

  perhaps the bootcamp drivers had they [TS]

  been really good and comprehensive could [TS]

  have installed the full set of drivers [TS]

  that booty boot camp cable machine but [TS]

  obviously they did not do that then [TS]

  we've heard from many people that the [TS]

  bootcamp drivers are a little bit old [TS]

  and creaky and have not kept up with the [TS]

  advancements in windows which doesn't [TS]

  surprise me because Apple supportive for [TS]

  bootcamp always seems kind of [TS]

  half-hearted in the last let's say half [TS]

  decade right but but yet to be fair I [TS]

  that is that is that is something [TS]

  something made secondly the issue came [TS]

  up that i did i did hit the Skip [TS]

  activation thing i like about me later [TS]

  observation and set up the reason why I [TS]

  hit that is not because being lazy and i [TS]

  forgot to mention during the show it's [TS]

  because I knew people had told [TS]

  me that if you activate on the external [TS]

  drive and you plug into the computer it [TS]

  will break the activation and you have [TS]

  to reactivate by calling Microsoft or [TS]

  whatever whatever you have to do so I [TS]

  knew that was that was a risk so I was [TS]

  waiting until it was going to be on the [TS]

  computer the games to be played on to [TS]

  activate was trying to get the whole [TS]

  thing set up my laptop so I wouldn't [TS]

  have to disturb tips computer and its up [TS]

  time because she was working on it so i [TS]

  was trying to get it also my laptop [TS]

  first and then i'm going to move the [TS]

  driver they're activated there so it [TS]

  wouldn't break and then move on [TS]

  there's also ways that you can get like [TS]

  you know pirate keys volume license keys [TS]

  get around this but I was doing this [TS]

  legally so you know that i couldn't i [TS]

  had to actually follow the the [TS]

  wonderfully abusive legitimate customer [TS]

  restrictions [TS]

  thank you safety around yeah but that's [TS]

  that's apparently i get for doing things [TS]

  legally and finally the the argument [TS]

  that I was being unfair to windows and [TS]

  that Windows doesn't suck and I am on [TS]

  that i suck for saying that windows are [TS]

  stupid i respectfully disagree even [TS]

  though that some of the things I did [TS]

  were not correct [TS]

  windows is stupid and it does suck i'm [TS]

  sure that will totally undressed me know [TS]

  yes only good good counter argument yes [TS]

  they will summarize that but in all cast [TS]

  by saying no you with the o in the U [TS]

  transpose one more ticket inside before [TS]

  we move on to Marco's fame and glory if [TS]

  you want to hear both me and tiff talked [TS]

  about inside as played on both the mac [TS]

  ps4 there will be an upcoming episode of [TS]

  the incomparable that we are both on [TS]

  where we discuss it then I hope marco [TS]

  was far away from the room when I was [TS]

  going on because we spoil the whole [TS]

  thing I actually I went to the entire [TS]

  other side of the house just so I [TS]

  wouldn't overhear anything good plan [TS]

  anyway play the game that was in the [TS]

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  show today or 10 was yesterday yesterday [TS]

  I'm sorry I'm the app store made some [TS]

  news and then I think it was it was a [TS]

  little bit more today as well so [TS]

  yesterday [TS]

  Apple has said that they're going to [TS]

  start removing old and busted apps from [TS]

  the store that's my summary but that's [TS]

  basically what it amounts to [TS]

  and they also said that the names of [TS]

  apps can no longer be something like [TS]

  tweak pot a power users twitter client [TS]

  or something like that actually probably [TS]

  still fit well you know what i mean so [TS]

  it has to be 50 characters or less and [TS]

  the idea is they don't want you gaming [TS]

  their piss-poor search by adding search [TS]

  keywords and terms into your apt title [TS]

  so they expect the app titles to be 50 [TS]

  characters less also this is great news [TS]

  i'm really pleased by this so I have [TS]

  nothing really haven't had much more to [TS]

  say I think fast [TS]

  excellent run afoul of this most likely [TS]

  and to be honest that's a good thing [TS]

  yeah i mean it this is a very very good [TS]

  thing in general I mean you know if you [TS]

  look at like that they they're a little [TS]

  light on the specifics of what they're [TS]

  going to print out but it basically it's [TS]

  like you know if the app crashes on [TS]

  launch it will be removed immediately so [TS]

  I can if you have some some old app that [TS]

  no longer literally doesn't even work [TS]

  they're just pulling it with no warning [TS]

  to the developer just you know well you [TS]

  know that they're also they're enforcing [TS]

  basically if there's any new rules that [TS]

  weren't around when the app first passed [TS]

  app review but it is actually fighting [TS]

  those rules then they they are retro [TS]

  actively enforcement so basically like [TS]

  you know it used to be that if you got [TS]

  through once an hour before the rules in [TS]

  effect you could basically keep doing it [TS]

  forever and as long as you didn't update [TS]

  your app which is you know not a great [TS]

  system so that they're kinda close that [TS]

  loophole never going to go back and [TS]

  andrey review apps under modern rules [TS]

  and if if they if they no longer pass [TS]

  the rules because the rules have changed [TS]

  or the North something slip through that [TS]

  they will now be enforcing that on those [TS]

  apps and removing them if they have to [TS]

  and then the big thing which i think is [TS]

  more interesting is the is basically the [TS]

  Africans that has a phrase but it's like [TS]

  unmaintained or abandoned apps and so [TS]

  what they haven't said specifically what [TS]

  that means but what I what I assume that [TS]

  would mean are things like if you still [TS]

  don't have a sixty four-bit binary [TS]

  because i'm assuming part of the reason [TS]

  we're doing this is to get the app store [TS]

  ready for a future version of iOS [TS]

  probably i was eleven doesn't have [TS]

  32-bit support at all and won't launch [TS]

  there too but absent all things like if [TS]

  you still don't have retina support or [TS]

  if you still don't have support for the [TS]

  larger screens on the phones on the ipad [TS]

  I'll be interested to see like how how [TS]

  strict they will because the ipad has a [TS]

  lot more challenges department there an [TS]

  ipad were non-retina for longer and a [TS]

  lot of ipad software got written in the [TS]

  non grata days and never updated because [TS]

  it wasn't worth it to like you know pay [TS]

  some consultants to update your software [TS]

  or rewrite games or whatever else I [TS]

  wonder like are they going to be as [TS]

  strict on the ipad you know the the 12.9 [TS]

  inch iPad launched and it's really it's [TS]

  really crappy to use 9.7 inch apps on [TS]

  the 12.9 [TS]

  ipad especially if you have to use the [TS]

  keyboard for any kind of text input the [TS]

  on-screen keyboard is horrible it gets [TS]

  blown up so it'll be interesting to see [TS]

  like you know basically how strictly [TS]

  they enforce that kind of unmaintained [TS]

  abandoned rule and if it applies [TS]

  assuming it applies to things like [TS]

  supporting screen sizes and you knew you [TS]

  know modern builds that include the [TS]

  architecture stuff like that but then [TS]

  basically how strict they be in and what [TS]

  else will include I can't imagine them [TS]

  doing the screen size thing because I'm [TS]

  unless they include other factors [TS]

  because I i have apps from large [TS]

  multinational corporations that are [TS]

  upgraded updated very frequently that [TS]

  still don't support my iphone 6 screen [TS]

  size you can tell from like the slightly [TS]

  too-big keyboard and everything that [TS]

  these are not abandon these apps that [TS]

  are frequently updated bugs are fixed [TS]

  features are added and yet they still [TS]

  don't support this screen size so i [TS]

  don't think that qualifies as abandoned [TS]

  and I don't think Apple can politically [TS]

  speaking pole apps like that under the [TS]

  guise of we're cleaning out abandoned [TS]

  things the 64-bit and 32-bit yeah [TS]

  because that's coming no matter what [TS]

  anyway and just laying the groundwork [TS]

  but screen size and they especially like [TS]

  I think their definition of abandoned [TS]

  has to be some set of those things plus [TS]

  also has not been updated in six months [TS]

  or a year or something maybe but i don't [TS]

  know i mean looking at some of these [TS]

  things they can enforce at the iTunes [TS]

  Connect level so they could say like our [TS]

  iTunes Connect no longer accepts apps [TS]

  that are 30 only which probably hasn't [TS]

  for what over a year now and they could [TS]

  say things like I didn't take no longer [TS]

  support or no longer will allow you to [TS]

  submit an app that doesn't support the [TS]

  iphone 6 and 6 plus screen sizes and [TS]

  then six months after that they can say [TS]

  well if you if you don't support the [TS]

  screen sizes and how did it happen over [TS]

  six months but the feeling that they can [TS]

  make a loophole they want to and and [TS]

  that is probably have some of these [TS]

  things will play out but I mean one [TS]

  thing like you know most apps that do [TS]

  that they're still getting updates like [TS]

  the actually the official test lap is [TS]

  one of these apps where the Tesla app is [TS]

  it gets updates like every few months [TS]

  but it still doesn't support the iphone [TS]

  6 and 6 plus screen sizes like it has [TS]

  the modern keyboard and everything but [TS]

  it's just it's still just not supporting [TS]

  larger screens like it's all like pixel [TS]

  perfect ios6 style designed and I assume [TS]

  they don't want to like go back and [TS]

  paste [TS]

  monitor redesigned to to blow it up and [TS]

  everything but like that's kind of [TS]

  crappy and so this if they can use this [TS]

  to to push companies to update their [TS]

  their ancient broken apps that they're [TS]

  basically it's not updating out of [TS]

  laziness or not you're not moving [TS]

  tomorrow stuff because of laziness or [TS]

  just not want to allocate the funds for [TS]

  it [TS]

  this is probably a good thing it's [TS]

  definitely good thing for users and for [TS]

  developers who are in the consulting [TS]

  business it is almost certainly a good [TS]

  thing because this is probably going to [TS]

  be a big boon to consulting because all [TS]

  these companies that have all these [TS]

  ancient iphone and ipad apps who they [TS]

  didn't they didn't really have any kind [TS]

  of push before too want to put more [TS]

  money into them but now they're going to [TS]

  have a big push of apple says you need [TS]

  to update this to support XO we're going [TS]

  to pull you out the after one 30 days [TS]

  well I still think the vast majority of [TS]

  this is going to be cleaning out the [TS]

  crap that no one has looked at in [TS]

  forever that it also isn't making any [TS]

  more money so i think the vast majority [TS]

  of the garbage is just just crap that [TS]

  was released once never updated stop [TS]

  making money three-and-a-half years ago [TS]

  and it's just in the store like and and [TS]

  the the meta story about this has [TS]

  everyone who has written anything about [TS]

  it is pointed out and as I think it's [TS]

  obvious to everybody looking at is this [TS]

  marks the end of the era when Apple is a [TS]

  counting the number of applications in [TS]

  the app store is their primary sure how [TS]

  awesome they are doing [TS]

  it's like I mean they should stop this [TS]

  longer because as I think we've all [TS]

  talked about on past programs over the [TS]

  years once you get into the hundreds of [TS]

  thousands or millions the number of apps [TS]

  you have the app store is a detriment to [TS]

  the user experience not not a boon so [TS]

  you know because it's just they're just [TS]

  especially when your searches horrendous [TS]

  Apple but yeah so like the out the app [TS]

  store it's better if they delete several [TS]

  hundred thousand crap apps [TS]

  that's another thing I mean like the [TS]

  search is a is a massive angle to this [TS]

  like you know so the other side you know [TS]

  as Eddie said first like there-there [TS]

  prohibiting spamming your appt with [TS]

  keywords that are they're not related to [TS]

  what it does and they're sending a cap [TS]

  on 50 characters now I don't know what [TS]

  the campus before but I've seen some [TS]

  pretty long appt titles definitely visit [TS]

  like four sentences after the after the [TS]

  first heard of describing all the things [TS]

  it does mention every Big Apple this [TS]

  works for Instagram Twitter and all [TS]

  those all the spammers but a lot of this [TS]

  like these these things wouldn't be as [TS]

  big of a problem in the app store if the [TS]

  search was better [TS]

  and so a lot of critics have pointed out [TS]

  rightly so that like these things are [TS]

  nice but if you just fix the search like [TS]

  you know obviously it would [TS]

  yeah it was really crap to become [TS]

  exactly define stuff on exactly so it is [TS]

  it is kind of I mean on one hand it's a [TS]

  little bit frustrating that like apples [TS]

  kind of jumping through hoops to do [TS]

  things that better search would [TS]

  alleviate on the other hand it seems [TS]

  pretty clear that better search is not [TS]

  coming [TS]

  yeah that Apple just isn't very good at [TS]

  at church especially on the whoever [TS]

  manages App Store search like whatever [TS]

  they're doing over there whatever [TS]

  methods and algorithms are using the [TS]

  they just can't seem to pull together a [TS]

  really good search and so if it's not [TS]

  going to happen then you might as well [TS]

  do things around it to to alleviate how [TS]

  crappy it is for people but I should do [TS]

  both likely i'm assuming they are doing [TS]

  both but this is like the easy first [TS]

  thing to do like it really is a benefit [TS]

  to like it because the app store is not [TS]

  the weapons mentioned the web like the [TS]

  web is just full of crap in the magic [TS]

  Google's it finds out the pages that are [TS]

  actually worth you finding even though [TS]

  millions and millions of pages match [TS]

  whatever you type into the search box [TS]

  they find the one that is the best match [TS]

  meaning a not just a spammy abandonware [TS]

  you know like but google doesn't control [TS]

  the web entirely yet told they can't not [TS]

  coming out [TS]

  yeah they can't really out of the they [TS]

  can't clean out the crappy a web pages [TS]

  but the whole idea behind the apps are [TS]

  if you had read any story about the app [TS]

  store in the first few years I your [TS]

  chance to see the word curated in the [TS]

  article are very very high and what [TS]

  happened has done with the app store is [TS]

  does not really fit any reasonable [TS]

  definition of curated because if you are [TS]

  curating any kind of collection of [TS]

  anything you just wouldn't allow this [TS]

  kind of crap to a enter in the first [TS]

  place which they've been getting better [TS]

  about you know hey we don't need any [TS]

  more fart apps remember that error right [TS]

  and be you wouldn't let it sit there [TS]

  curating means realizing that there is a [TS]

  three hundred thousand applications that [TS]

  cross on launch that haven't been [TS]

  downloaded in several years except for [TS]

  by supporting suspecting people who get [TS]

  better results from your terrible search [TS]

  right curating means you've gotta clean [TS]

  that crap out [TS]

  yes they should make search better but [TS]

  you should also do this otherwise don't [TS]

  pretend that you're really curating up [TS]

  all you're really doing is exerting [TS]

  control but you don't care about the [TS]

  state of the class [TS]

  you know you care about is like the gate [TS]

  like we don't want to let any apps in [TS]

  that violate our current set of [TS]

  arbitrary rules but once they're in [TS]

  whatever we don't curate the collection [TS]

  we just curate the door you know we're [TS]

  just the bouncer but once you get in you [TS]

  can you can die on the floor and slowly [TS]

  decompose and we won't even look at you [TS]

  maybe that better analogy got a little [TS]

  grim in the end but yeah a little bit [TS]

  goodness and then Apple has also updated [TS]

  their official review guidelines i guess [TS]

  that's what happened and they've made [TS]

  some clarifications about subscriptions [TS]

  with which is interesting to several [TS]

  people and Marco you caught wind of this [TS]

  yeah i mean a logical data there's a lot [TS]

  of sites now that that basically provide [TS]

  gifts for like any time Apple changes [TS]

  review guidelines the the site now that [TS]

  will just tell you here's what changes [TS]

  will even like alert you some people [TS]

  email you like it there or the tweet [TS]

  about it's pretty pretty great services [TS]

  so anyway everyone immediately notices [TS]

  that although the review guidelines have [TS]

  had some modifications and some of it is [TS]

  no simple expected stuff to do things [TS]

  like sticker pack rules for the upcoming [TS]

  iOS 10 launch that's probably happening [TS]

  probably next week or something very [TS]

  soon and that's cool but then they also [TS]

  basically clarified the author noon [TS]

  subscription rules a little bit because [TS]

  you know as well as you learned early in [TS]

  the summer it for WC they they announced [TS]

  they were bringing descriptions [TS]

  basically allowing them for all [TS]

  categories of apps not just like [TS]

  publications anymore and they work it [TS]

  was kind of left vague and unstated and [TS]

  then later slightly clarifies by phil [TS]

  schiller on the talk show live actually [TS]

  WTC about like you know could like [TS]

  productivity apps just charge you [TS]

  subscription for updates and you [TS]

  basically can you charge a subscription [TS]

  for just using the app instead of like [TS]

  content that was being delivered or a [TS]

  web service or anything else and that [TS]

  was left unspecified and vague until [TS]

  yesterday when they basically said [TS]

  exactly said it was like it was a list [TS]

  of things that would be most likely [TS]

  permitted and there's still a little [TS]

  non-committal and it basically it's like [TS]

  basically submit and try but it was [TS]

  always that way but one of the things in [TS]

  the list of examples that would be [TS]

  permitted [TS]

  was apps that have continued that had [TS]

  like a frequent and substantial updates [TS]

  close so close if only there were a way [TS]

  for you to know what that rule said yeah [TS]

  if only if only I would have done some [TS]

  homework [TS]

  Casey and I are both staring at it as [TS]

  you say there's no way to really know is [TS]

  that exactly but if it had been in the [TS]

  notes and somehow put into bold text [TS]

  other it look exactly which part but you [TS]

  should look at just had to change tabs [TS]

  we're still in follow-up yes [TS]

  now this should have been more efficient [TS]

  moving out is when tested before this [TS]

  was before the second part of the story [TS]

  came out about the you know 50 character [TS]

  limit and the whatever like so anyway [TS]

  this would have been follow up on [TS]

  because that we were all these I was [TS]

  remembering very angry about this rule [TS]

  because the written rule and what Phil [TS]

  said seem to be at odds and it was like [TS]

  just make it clear like it doesn't [TS]

  really matter what Phil Schiller says [TS]

  because you can't submit your app and [TS]

  then say well Phil Schiller said this [TS]

  thing I saw wwc like that's not how [TS]

  rules work you have to like your writing [TS]

  rules make them as clear as you possibly [TS]

  can and it was frustrating to me that [TS]

  didn't seem like Apple had its its act [TS]

  together and we're questioning like does [TS]

  that mean that if you make an [TS]

  application for like a Productivity app [TS]

  or whatever and you just offer updates [TS]

  every year or so like major updates can [TS]

  use to make a description that or not [TS]

  that's what we all wanted to know and [TS]

  the clarification and the exact words [TS]

  that the type of things that can offer [TS]

  the first weekend pricing or perhaps [TS]

  that offer consistent substantive [TS]

  updates which is not particularly [TS]

  precise but it clearly lays out you [TS]

  don't need to have new game little [TS]

  levels are episodic content or anything [TS]

  like that just consistent support [TS]

  consistent updates and substantive [TS]

  updates so that's the open to [TS]

  interpretation but it doesn't say [TS]

  anything about you being a media app [TS]

  anything about you being a game anything [TS]

  about you having like a magazine issues [TS]

  are new content just merely says you got [TS]

  updated those got to be subsist that [TS]

  consistent and there has to be something [TS]

  in them have to be like not just so I [TS]

  editable you know I had one tiny little [TS]

  tweak here one new preference right and [TS]

  so I think that's what people want [TS]

  they just wanted to get clearance for [TS]

  like oh ok if I think and then it's just [TS]

  arguing over what counts as a [TS]

  substantive update and I think people do [TS]

  a to point out it's got like you did to [TS]

  point on and include streaming [TS]

  you'd win that argument with any [TS]

  reasonable person if you were allowed to [TS]

  have to say that's a substantial update [TS]

  this is a major feature major new [TS]

  capabilities and if you have a [TS]

  subscription pricing the overcast one [TS]

  point I didn't have streaming in to [TS]

  point out did I think everybody [TS]

  including Apple would be all thumbs up [TS]

  on that and that's all we were looking [TS]

  for [TS]

  back when this rule came out just to [TS]

  understand the scope of subscription and [TS]

  then we can just argue about the details [TS]

  right and it still is going to be like [TS]

  you still have to submit kind of blindly [TS]

  and just hope they allow you to do it [TS]

  but this at least gives you a a pretty [TS]

  good indication that like if you're [TS]

  using this responsibly they will [TS]

  probably allowed you can start [TS]

  development is the best thing about it [TS]

  like before you didn't even know whether [TS]

  it was worthwhile to start developing [TS]

  now you can start development I feel [TS]

  like you get rejected they can say oh [TS]

  that's not a substantial enough update [TS]

  you can say okay well I'll just work [TS]

  more and more features and certainly [TS]

  presumably at some point you could say [TS]

  now this surely is worthy of a [TS]

  substantial update and now I you know of [TS]

  course if you take too long your updates [TS]

  and are consistent but it's like this [TS]

  gives people the cover they need to [TS]

  begin development which is all anyone [TS]

  really wants to know like am I wasting [TS]

  my time entirely on this or if I have [TS]

  been acting in good faith with my [TS]

  understanding of how this works the [TS]

  language is now on the same page with [TS]

  Phil Schiller said and I feel like this [TS]

  should make everybody relax and feel [TS]

  better [TS]

  he says foolishly before everyone gets [TS]

  rejected for major updates but we'll see [TS]

  how this works out but we respond to [TS]

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  ah John posted a week ago a collection [TS]

  of scans I presume or perhaps pictures [TS]

  of old artwork that he had done [TS]

  generally speaking as a kid I found this [TS]

  fascinating and we'll put links to all [TS]

  these pieces in the show notes basically [TS]

  it was on John's Instagram account [TS]

  profile whatever you call it [TS]

  I known John that you fancy yourself a [TS]

  bit of an artist when you were a kid and [TS]

  I thought that meant that your your [TS]

  artistic skills were better than just [TS]

  stick figures which puts you ahead of [TS]

  almost everyone i know then I see all [TS]

  these pictures and I realize holy crap [TS]

  like you i don't know if you knew this [TS]

  but you could like really really draw [TS]

  really been well yeah they were really [TS]

  good so fYI that's like you don't read [TS]

  anything that i write is the first [TS]

  hypercritical thing that I wrote [TS]

  what's the first line of that it's like [TS]

  it's a good fellows reference even into [TS]

  double whammy [TS]

  honey look we we knew from following you [TS]

  and reading and listened to your stuff [TS]

  we knew that you used to be some kind of [TS]

  artist but we met we do I know like the [TS]

  degree or what you drew really all we [TS]

  knew is that you had said that you had [TS]

  done for a while and you were too [TS]

  critical about it and you [TS]

  couldn't get over how critical you work [TS]

  your own word now you got to reread that [TS]

  to understand and probably the point of [TS]

  that thing was [TS]

  yes in the beginning was you know as far [TS]

  back as I can remember blah blah [TS]

  installed i want to grow up to be an [TS]

  artist and then you read the whole thing [TS]

  you realize like why didn't I do that [TS]

  it's because my actual skill wasn't [TS]

  artistic talent is why didn't pursue an [TS]

  actual scale was being able to draw [TS]

  something look at it no was wrong with [TS]

  it and you just fix it you just repeat [TS]

  that process and if you just keep [TS]

  repeating it [TS]

  the picture gets better and better the [TS]

  longer you work on but that's not how [TS]

  that's not how a real artist work well [TS]

  they kind of how they work but anyway I [TS]

  realized my limitations in all fairness [TS]

  you that you have made a very good [TS]

  living by being a complainer [TS]

  professionally exactly we're going to [TS]

  look at how are you going to make more [TS]

  money to drawing pictures that during [TS]

  copies of other people's pictures are [TS]

  complaining about stuff really complain [TS]

  about stuff is much more lucrative well [TS]

  if you're good and you are really going [TS]

  to complain about stuff got a lot of [TS]

  practice to be good to complain about [TS]

  stuff you can't just complained a lot [TS]

  about it you have to go to complain well [TS]

  about it and that's what like you are so [TS]

  good at complaining well anybody can [TS]

  complain i complain all the time but I'm [TS]

  not nearly as good as you are you a [TS]

  professional top-notch like world-class [TS]

  complainer about anything you need to [TS]

  get the practice to mess it up [TS]

  complaining Carnegie Hall practice kid [TS]

  well you don't even know that's saying [TS]

  I'm angle too much it was unrecognizable [TS]

  hi apologize i'm an old man but my [TS]

  goodness so anyway I didn't I don't have [TS]

  too much more to say about these other [TS]

  than I genuinely genuinely was [TS]

  dumbfounded at how good they were cuz i [TS]

  expected it to be like you know stick [TS]

  figures plus plus if you will and that's [TS]

  not a new underscore app what i mean by [TS]

  that is you the next the next door up [TS]

  from if we had not yet anyway I would [TS]

  love to see that actually probably [TS]

  pretty awesome it'll it'll be like a [TS]

  pinpoint / mug shot but but with [TS]

  underscore spin on it [TS]

  yes I thought it was just gonna be like [TS]

  better than your average you know 12 or [TS]

  15 year-old what have you but which I [TS]

  guess yes this was but but these were [TS]

  like way better than your average 12 to [TS]

  15 years [TS]

  old i remember vividly when I was I [TS]

  don't like 2nd or 3rd grade which is [TS]

  younger than what we're talking about [TS]

  I had free hand drawn a picture of [TS]

  garfield the cat and done if I may say [TS]

  so and extraordinarily impressive job of [TS]

  it this is my crowning achievement as an [TS]

  artist in fact it's pretty much my only [TS]

  achievement as an artist and I would [TS]

  show all my like classmates like a first [TS]

  or second grader what this was and they [TS]

  would all be like oh you just trace that [TS]

  and how do you fix this problem when [TS]

  you're in first or second grade i've got [TS]

  to have this somewhere and I but it'll [TS]

  take me 10 years to get out what I did [TS]

  to fix this problem of all you just [TS]

  trace that is I wrote in big very thick [TS]

  letters in all caps [TS]

  I did not trace this next picture are [TS]

  filled with the most great artists put [TS]

  other things actually if you look at [TS]

  their very fine for it but anyway agency [TS]

  i was stunned by how good these were and [TS]

  and i and i'm really really genuinely [TS]

  impressed by them and and I want to see [TS]

  more of them so I find more posts with [TS]

  people and mathematics follow this crap [TS]

  but a piano like i said in my [TS]

  hypercritical see the secret all this [TS]

  stuff is first of all as i stated i [TS]

  think every single description on [TS]

  instagram for these things almost all [TS]

  these things are from another like [TS]

  direct copies of painting or a poster or [TS]

  something that was you know probably on [TS]

  my wall from something like I didn't do [TS]

  the these are originals right [TS]

  even the ones that are just of random [TS]

  people are taken from like people for [TS]

  magazines or composite pictures in [TS]

  magazines but most of them are just [TS]

  exactly direct copies and all you need [TS]

  to make a perfect copy of like a cool [TS]

  poster or painting or book cover or [TS]

  something else and I was into all these [TS]

  in a fantasy book series or whatever and [TS]

  i got these calendars with the big [TS]

  posters and stuff [TS]

  all you need to be able to make an [TS]

  amazing copy of of what is already an [TS]

  amazing piece of art is the ability to [TS]

  know when you've drawn something have i [TS]

  drawn it like that thing over there or [TS]

  have I messed up in some way and that's [TS]

  it right and you just repeat that [TS]

  process and eventually you end up with [TS]

  essentially a larger version of the book [TS]

  cover that you were copying the whole [TS]

  time [TS]

  and the better the barrier most people [TS]

  have to doing that is somewhat artistic [TS]

  ability but mostly they will draw what [TS]

  they think is they see in the book cover [TS]

  and then they will look down look up the [TS]

  book cover and look down what they've [TS]

  drawn on their giant poster sized piece [TS]

  of paper and thank yeah that's about [TS]

  right and let's continue and if you do [TS]

  that repeatedly you end up with this [TS]

  telephone misshapen blob that only looks [TS]

  vaguely like what was in the book cover [TS]

  and it doesn't look good you gotta draw [TS]

  it's actually on the book cover [TS]

  you have to know when you've done [TS]

  something you know too big to small at [TS]

  the wrong angle and then you too if you [TS]

  have this one particular skill can [TS]

  essentially make an amazing copy of some [TS]

  other artists piece of work and get all [TS]

  the credit for making this great picture [TS]

  and also the people look at this you [TS]

  know the the dragonlance series [TS]

  recognize these pictures they're famous [TS]

  pictures from that series made by [TS]

  amazing actual artists and they grew it [TS]

  from whole cloth from their head because [TS]

  their actual artist I was merely a very [TS]

  skilled mimic well regardless of what [TS]

  you think you were and whether or not [TS]

  you think you were good [TS]

  I why it was and remain extremely [TS]

  impressed I was good for my age that's [TS]

  why i put most of these entities like [TS]

  that as i get older it's less impressive [TS]

  to do something like this on your 18 but [TS]

  doing 13like pretty good for a [TS]

  thirteen-year-old even a [TS]

  thirteen-year-old mimic i did have some [TS]

  other originals and you've seen my [TS]

  crappy paintings that are around the [TS]

  house to be painting is obviously much [TS]

  harder but they're from a similar time [TS]

  period when I'm like late single-digit [TS]

  ages or like getting close into my teens [TS]

  but you know these things have [TS]

  sentimental value because i had other [TS]

  things all over my walls for my [TS]

  childhood bedroom so I was just happy to [TS]

  find them in the attic and have them all [TS]

  be intact and like you know what I [TS]

  should record these because who knows [TS]

  what will happen to them in the future [TS]

  now I've got them in digital form [TS]

  yep real-time follow-up from my buddy [TS]

  Spencer I it appears that it is about 10 [TS]

  minutes per Megan a half of mp3 data if [TS]

  you really really really break it down [TS]

  but that's using the HEA c-format thank [TS]

  you yes and pretty well compressed so [TS]

  are our dream of issuing an episode of [TS]

  ATP on 17 floppy disks might actually be [TS]

  reasonably possible [TS]

  indeed sir there's been something [TS]

  assembly crap yesterday when you have to [TS]

  find someplace to buy floppy disks in [TS]

  bulk and a door and a drive to right the [TS]

  ball [TS]

  I've got you covered there oh yeah [TS]

  actually might have a fly a USB floppy [TS]

  drive around here somewhere i did have [TS]

  one very recently and i don't know what [TS]

  i did with it but I might be able to [TS]

  help out regardless I Cloud Storage has [TS]

  a new option now there's now two [TS]

  terabytes for twenty bucks month that's [TS]

  cool I guess [TS]

  yeah before was he kept a one terabyte [TS]

  and that's actually planet if and i have [TS]

  for our giant photo libraries and it's [TS]

  nice [TS]

  however before like if you needed more [TS]

  than one terabyte probably for photos [TS]

  you basically just couldn't there was no [TS]

  option now there is now you can go to [TS]

  two terabytes which is nice [TS]

  twice the money twice space ok still and [TS]

  i think it's it's not insanely [TS]

  competitive on that pricing but it's not [TS]

  too terrible and it's nice to have the [TS]

  option as you pointed out if you don't [TS]

  have the option you just feel terrible [TS]

  my brother was in the situation with his [TS]

  photo library has a similar-sized sony [TS]

  camera anybody got as many years ago and [TS]

  he has multiple kids and he shoots [TS]

  everything in raw he was over the [TS]

  terabyte i have is like having over [TS]

  terrible your oldest kid is like three [TS]

  but me takes long years and rose are [TS]

  really big not but anyway he was over [TS]

  terabyte so he couldn't use 14 of the [TS]

  iCloud photo library and he just had to [TS]

  find other things to do in other ways to [TS]

  back up stuff and it was you know that [TS]

  such as kind of hamburgers no amount of [TS]

  money could give the Apple so please [TS]

  just take my photos and now finally they [TS]

  offer a two terabyte option so I excited [TS]

  the sentiment my messages hey you can [TS]

  finally upload your photo library said [TS]

  no after the summer i'm over 2 terabytes [TS]

  to my solution is actually very simple [TS]

  delete photos if anything that is that [TS]

  is being shot by a real camera first [TS]

  goes into lightroom and lightroom is [TS]

  where I do all the picking all the [TS]

  editing then when it's when i'm done [TS]

  with like processing an event i export [TS]

  all those as very high-quality jpegs [TS]

  into Photos app and that's because like [TS]

  basically a raw never goes into photos [TS]

  because lightroom is better at first of [TS]

  all and also just for that for again the [TS]

  space reasons of [TS]

  of sinking least all the devices even [TS]

  when even thumbnail or not and then [TS]

  speed and the catalog sighs and icloud [TS]

  limits of space like this so that kind [TS]

  of system is much more cumbersome but [TS]

  does result in a way better photos [TS]

  experience with the bonus that when i [TS]

  import invent into photos because I've [TS]

  already like picked all the crappy [TS]

  photos out and have only exported [TS]

  perfectly processed awesome ones [TS]

  it looks like it does in apple [TS]

  commercials and demos were like all the [TS]

  pictures are perfect because like [TS]

  normally leave you look at my bride my [TS]

  raw lightroom library before everything [TS]

  gets picked through and edited it you [TS]

  know you have like a million pictures of [TS]

  the same thing we're trying to exactly [TS]

  the right shot a half these are blurry [TS]

  or miss exposed to whatever else and it [TS]

  does not look anything like the Apple [TS]

  commercials but my photos were actually [TS]

  looks pretty close a lot of time because [TS]

  it's it is only receiving the edited [TS]

  ones there's another example where it [TS]

  seems like apple doesn't quite [TS]

  understand how these some set of its [TS]

  users use its products like these i [TS]

  think everybody who is even remotely [TS]

  into photography or has kids and likes [TS]

  to take pictures of them ends up with [TS]

  exactly like you set up [TS]

  exactly like you set up [TS]

  a library filled with tons of pictures [TS]

  some of them are just a mess and then in [TS]

  the good ones like it's not like you [TS]

  didn't burn even if you're not personal [TS]

  you take 50 pictures of you know the kid [TS]

  blowing out the candles try to get the [TS]

  one shot right everybody does that [TS]

  that's how you take foots you know the [TS]

  secret different degrees take a ton of [TS]

  pictures then then hopefully you'll find [TS]

  one good one out of a thousand and [TS]

  eventually if you really good one good [TS]

  one out of five hundred right but you [TS]

  still have all those pictures and I [TS]

  guess the smart thing to do is to delete [TS]

  the other ones but if you have any sort [TS]

  of pak-rat tendencies like well even [TS]

  though these are the best picture maybe [TS]

  it's some day I want to look back on the [TS]

  one where they make a funny face or [TS]

  whatever you know you don't want to like [TS]

  there's the really excellent pictures [TS]

  that they graduate to could appear in [TS]

  apple and but there's kind of mediocre [TS]

  ones that are still endearing I got lots [TS]

  of pictures of my kids making funny [TS]

  faces that i would never have never seen [TS]

  a plan or maybe even a little bit of [TS]

  focus as they're running out of the [TS]

  frame but it's like a funny scene or [TS]

  something i don't want to delete those [TS]

  right but you do want to have a photo [TS]

  library that is just the good ones i do [TS]

  that with the favorite feature which is [TS]

  you know putting the hearts in or [TS]

  whatever but imagine if they had to work [TS]

  something that supported marcos workflow [TS]

  which I would do it was all within one [TS]

  half witches upload the raws go through [TS]

  them sort them out pick the ones you [TS]

  really like do the adjustments burned [TS]

  down to jpg and then hide everything [TS]

  that doesn't make the cut [TS]

  I guess they would still forced to be [TS]

  forced to allow you to upload everything [TS]

  for backup purposes but it would sure [TS]

  make browsing a lot easier if you could [TS]

  if you don't have to choose between [TS]

  delete forever and ever and ever and [TS]

  mostly don't show those and i know they [TS]

  have the ability to hide pictures and [TS]

  again they have favorite and stuff like [TS]

  that so they kind of give a hybrid [TS]

  solution but the fact that Marco has to [TS]

  use two apps to do what I think is a [TS]

  very reasonable workflow is kind of a [TS]

  shame and the two terabyte officer [TS]

  twenty bucks it's like Apple i know not [TS]

  a lot of people do this but [TS]

  technologically speaking its and [TS]

  financially speaking and business [TS]

  practice speaking it's not that much [TS]

  harder two or three terabytes or 30 and [TS]

  four terabytes or 40 I can keep going [TS]

  with this this is crazy sequence that I [TS]

  like I don't know how much your storage [TS]

  costs help put it on a different curve [TS]

  is not linear but either way like I bet [TS]

  there are people out there i know one of [TS]

  them with libraries that are bigger than [TS]

  two terabytes and they will pay you more [TS]

  money for more storage [TS]

  I know that's weird sounding [TS]

  but it will happen so it would be great [TS]

  of Apple didn't wait another two years [TS]

  before they offer the 3 terabyte option [TS]

  for more money for money Apple when and [TS]

  i mean i don't i don't see my my to [TS]

  absolution changing anytime soon because [TS]

  for this to change realistically anytime [TS]

  soon you would either need the Photos [TS]

  app to really have more pro-style [TS]

  editing controls and and mechanics and [TS]

  workflows possible which it really still [TS]

  doesn't date it is it is better than I [TS]

  photo used to be but not good enough for [TS]

  like you know really Pro editing and it [TS]

  seems like Apple is also not they're not [TS]

  very interested in making it so and/or [TS]

  you have to have lightroom get a lot [TS]

  better at cloud stuff and given Adobe's [TS]

  history there they've they've tried a [TS]

  lightroom like or directly lightroom [TS]

  cloud service something like three or [TS]

  four times by now and they've all had [TS]

  really big flaws and really big problems [TS]

  so i think both of those are unlikely to [TS]

  be solved in the foreseeable future [TS]

  so we this is left undone and i will be [TS]

  using two apps for a very long time as [TS]

  probably a lot of people do or they just [TS]

  put everything in Lightroom don't touch [TS]

  photos [TS]

  fair enough we still have predictions [TS]

  for next week's event to cover but [TS]

  there's been a big brouhaha about tax [TS]

  stuff with apple in Ireland and we [TS]

  should attempt to briefly cover it [TS]

  kids this is when you look at the time [TS]

  count that's not exactly how long this [TS]

  chapter last so the short version which [TS]

  was actually summarized really really [TS]

  well in a box article that will have in [TS]

  the show notes or an article on box i [TS]

  should say the short version as i [TS]

  understand it is the European Union the [TS]

  European Union which has some amount of [TS]

  governing power in general over Ireland [TS]

  as a member of the European Union [TS]

  although they have no power over [TS]

  Ireland's tax that you attacked singh [TS]

  rules and situation has come to the [TS]

  conclusion that Apple in Ireland have [TS]

  some sort of backroom deal that is [TS]

  beneficial to apple and that's against [TS]

  the non-competitive rules of the [TS]

  European Union so guess what Apple Oh [TS]

  somebody I guess Ireland Ireland 13 [TS]

  billion euros something to that effect [TS]

  interestingly one interestingly apple [TS]

  says no freaking way but interestingly [TS]

  Ireland is saying no freaking way which [TS]

  you would think [TS]

  here it is they're setting there they [TS]

  are setup they are a loop that's a [TS]

  basketball thing Marco they think they [TS]

  have been given the value for 13 billion [TS]

  euros and they're saying no thank you [TS]

  and it appears that the best in well [TS]

  that the super simple explanation for [TS]

  that is they don't want to appear [TS]

  unfriendly to the many corporations that [TS]

  have based their European operations out [TS]

  of Ireland because Ireland is the [TS]

  Delaware of Europe seconds and so that's [TS]

  the extraordinarily a bridge summary my [TS]

  two cents on it I don't feel like Apple [TS]

  has done anything wrong but I also not [TS]

  so sure that these laws i'm not so sure [TS]

  these laws are really correct as written [TS]

  I i think both the American laws about [TS]

  money and elsewhere and repatriating [TS]

  that money seem kind of backwards messed [TS]

  up the Irish laws from an outsider's [TS]

  point of view seemed like maybe they [TS]

  should be a little more aggressive on [TS]

  collecting taxes but from what little [TS]

  i've read on this and admittedly it has [TS]

  not been a lot it doesn't feel to me [TS]

  like apples done very much wrong they [TS]

  just haven't exactly been forthcoming [TS]

  with stuff that may be morally they [TS]

  should have paid even if legally didn't [TS]

  have to [TS]

  so Marco it appears you have some [TS]

  thoughts on this go ahead i'll meet mine [TS]

  quick because the the more I learn about [TS]

  this the less I have to say about it [TS]

  basically it because it's very [TS]

  complicated and it is there's multiple [TS]

  sizes the I think the there's there's [TS]

  like the European politics side of it [TS]

  which that's politics you know it who [TS]

  cares is it isn't really a tech topic [TS]

  and then there's the there's the like us [TS]

  basically tax haven side of it where you [TS]

  have companies that if they if they [TS]

  divert all their international sales to [TS]

  international subsidiaries and don't [TS]

  bring the cash back [TS]

  in the u.s. they basically campaign know [TS]

  us tax on it so Tim Cook is going around [TS]

  basically like it obviously taking [TS]

  advantage of all the same things that [TS]

  most big companies do and and i think [TS]

  they are honestly you know morally a [TS]

  little tricky or worse but that is [TS]

  what's legal and so there are these [TS]

  giant loopholes and workarounds in our [TS]

  tax code that allow big companies to do [TS]

  this so the big companies do it Tim Cook [TS]

  as the CEO is basically responsible for [TS]

  doing this like if he didn't do stuff [TS]

  like this of Apple didn't use all the [TS]

  same tax saving schemes as other big [TS]

  companies do that are perfectly legal [TS]

  at least in the u.s. when you know [TS]

  ignoring the European politics is for [TS]

  now if Apple didn't do that all the same [TS]

  things that the shareholders would have [TS]

  Tim Cook's head because he basically [TS]

  throwing away billions of dollars so [TS]

  like em he is so basically as long as [TS]

  these things continue to be the legal [TS]

  way to do things in the u.s. that all [TS]

  the big companies do apple has to them [TS]

  as well [TS]

  otherwise it could be fired or suit so [TS]

  you know they they have to do it however [TS]

  i don't believe that they have to do as [TS]

  much campaigning as Tim Cook does about [TS]

  have about how us must change tax code [TS]

  to basically give them a huge tax break [TS]

  to bring that money back in the hole [TS]

  that the summary of this basically is [TS]

  that if you keep them money offshore you [TS]

  don't have to us tax if you bring it [TS]

  back into the US from your international [TS]

  subsidiaries you have to pay us tax on [TS]

  it- whatever you paid in foreign tax so [TS]

  the idea is you don't have to end up [TS]

  paying like double tax you just have to [TS]

  pay at least the US tax and if the [TS]

  foreign taxes higher that's you that's [TS]

  your deal with the foreign government [TS]

  handle but you but if if you end up like [TS]

  it pay something an apple basically is [TS]

  paint no tax on all three were European [TS]

  earnings and you know that's a [TS]

  high-level overview i apologize i got [TS]

  these details wrong and Tim Cook is [TS]

  going around in in all these public [TS]

  statements and and things basically [TS]

  campaigning Washington and the public to [TS]

  support him in this effort to have [TS]

  corporate tax reform to let them bring [TS]

  in the center [TS]

  national money into the u.s. at a what [TS]

  appears to be the goal of a [TS]

  substantially reduced tax rate and me as [TS]

  a person who makes money worldwide but [TS]

  pays all my taxes in the great state of [TS]

  New York I think that's BS i think if if [TS]

  the companies can do all these little [TS]

  tricks and stuff by basically applying [TS]

  lots of accountants and lawyers and [TS]

  loopholes to save themselves billions of [TS]

  dollars [TS]

  well that's you know I hope the [TS]

  government fixes that because that's [TS]

  that seems like a like a poor allocation [TS]

  of the tax burden but for apple for Tim [TS]

  Cook personally to use like the same [TS]

  level of energy that he was using for [TS]

  the FBI fight for our privacy to now [TS]

  beasts to basically try to try to have [TS]

  that same energy being spent on i demand [TS]

  that we be able to bring our money back [TS]

  into the US and get a discount on our [TS]

  taxes no that's that's not that's not [TS]

  morally defensible it's just not so I I [TS]

  don't support tim cook in that I think [TS]

  yeah if they want to do the same [TS]

  loopholes fine but but don't go like you [TS]

  know complaining in public that the US [TS]

  needs to allow you to bring your money [TS]

  back in and not pay your share of taxes [TS]

  on it no you should pay your taxes the [TS]

  way almost pay our taxes [TS]

  well he's not the same as the rest of us [TS]

  so i think most of his defense species [TS]

  that have a giant multinational [TS]

  corporation itself physical goods [TS]

  overseas right you know when you're not [TS]

  doing that but i think most of his [TS]

  defense seems to be centered around the [TS]

  idea that has been put forth by the the [TS]

  european union and recommit that two [TS]

  things that Apple did something like [TS]

  wrong like a look like they're not going [TS]

  to say legal because it wasn't legal but [TS]

  like sneaking and wrong and that it was [TS]

  sneaking wrong back then and there for [TS]

  you all those back taxes like it was you [TS]

  know you even though you and Ireland [TS]

  agreed at the time that you agree and I [TS]

  you didn't know this but it was against [TS]

  are anti-competitive laws of the [TS]

  European Union so we want you to pay not [TS]

  from now on not going forward because [TS]

  that's what I feel like that's between [TS]

  the European Union and ireland in terms [TS]

  of deciding like are some Irish tax laws [TS]

  in violation of the anti-competitive [TS]

  they basically don't want like one [TS]

  country like that the Delaware of Europe [TS]

  to be able to attract all the economic [TS]

  tivity starving out the other countries [TS]

  like they're trying to keep the [TS]

  country's from undercutting each other [TS]

  and hurting supposed to be a big you [TS]

  know your opinion i suppose to have like [TS]

  it [TS]

  one country one stronger country [TS]

  crushing another one with the power of [TS]

  its tax subsidies for big companies or [TS]

  whatever so that's what the EU is trying [TS]

  to do it i think that's between you and [TS]

  Ireland to figure out what the deal is [TS]

  there but I think apples defenses we're [TS]

  not a sneaky criminal and if you decided [TS]

  if if you guys working out amongst [TS]

  yourselves Ireland European whatever you [TS]

  gotta do if you decide that going [TS]

  forward this isn't going to be any more [TS]

  change laws will comply with them but we [TS]

  don't want to pay you back taxes on 13 [TS]

  billion and the US laws being like you [TS]

  pay the difference in taxes [TS]

  I feel like it is kinda weird for [TS]

  physical goods that you would that you [TS]

  sell in a particular place like tax that [TS]

  where if you sell something I'm sneaking [TS]

  that you sell something in France and [TS]

  you get tax word in Ireland that still [TS]

  kind of messed up but the idea that the [TS]

  only reasonable tax system is no matter [TS]

  where you sell your things the entire [TS]

  world because the corporate headquarters [TS]

  is in the United States the UK united [TS]

  states tax rates i think that is what [TS]

  you need some amount of diversity in the [TS]

  world you need to allow countries to [TS]

  have lower tax rates to encourage [TS]

  economic activity countries out of the e [TS]

  i'm sure this point plenty of countries [TS]

  elsewhere in the world that are not in [TS]

  the EU and the not in the US that have [TS]

  lower corporate tax rates writer like [TS]

  Hong Kong or Singapore whatever on [TS]

  singapore's a bad example but you can't [TS]

  say that the US law is basically we [TS]

  don't care what your tax laws are if you [TS]

  are us cooperation and you make money [TS]

  then we tax you with the u.s. rate I [TS]

  don't care if we're taxing you want to [TS]

  sale that was made from a store in some [TS]

  other country to personal other country [TS]

  I don't care about that i want your [TS]

  money because your US corporations I [TS]

  feel like that's not a great system and [TS]

  it could lead to situations or people [TS]

  don't want to incorporate the United [TS]

  States and they incorporate in the the [TS]

  global delaware instead or whatever but [TS]

  anyway [TS]

  Tim Cook's sort of anger about this I [TS]

  feel like mostly is motivated by the [TS]

  injustice of having to pay essentially [TS]

  back taxes that are not Otis is that the [TS]

  IRS says you know the tax law has been [TS]

  in effect for the past decade we decided [TS]

  that was actually not a good tax law so [TS]

  we're changing it and by the way pretend [TS]

  like it was in effect for the past 30 [TS]

  years or so [TS]

  and you all us all back taxes on so he's [TS]

  going against that because i feel like [TS]

  that's just not fair right who knows [TS]

  about what actually happened but this [TS]

  weekend later and the idea that they're [TS]

  sneaky wrong which is borderline because [TS]

  it's pretty sneaky like everything [TS]

  having to do with tax avoidance is [TS]

  pretty sneaky I don't think Tim Cook was [TS]

  responsible for setting up these sneaky [TS]

  laws but on the other hand it was like [TS]

  sneaky between a corporation and a [TS]

  government like again Ireland result for [TS]

  it because they want their little point [TS]

  zero zero five percent point zero zero [TS]

  five percent of a whole jillion dollars [TS]

  is way better than thirty-five percent [TS]

  of zero dollars because apple doesn't do [TS]

  its thing in Ireland anymore so it's [TS]

  kind of gross and kind of sneaky between [TS]

  Apple but I really don't think saying [TS]

  that they are back taxes makes all that [TS]

  much sense unless like I don't know what [TS]

  the European process unless some sort of [TS]

  process where they can prove that as it [TS]

  turns out that said your that Ireland [TS]

  law tax law was always against the EU [TS]

  charter and then you gotta work [TS]

  something out and that's repatriating [TS]

  the money again I think it's kind of [TS]

  weird that the US wants all the taxes to [TS]

  be at the US right no matter where you [TS]

  sell things I don't feel like that's a [TS]

  scalable solution to a world economy but [TS]

  if you're going to do that [TS]

  yeah like I don't think it Tim Cook [TS]

  saying we would like to bring that money [TS]

  back but give us a lower rate a you can [TS]

  say that only once but I think it's good [TS]

  you know everyone wants to have lower [TS]

  taxes and if your cooperation saying oh [TS]

  we totally bring that money back is like [TS]

  holding the Money ransom you know like [TS]

  will bring these trillions back just [TS]

  give us a lower rate and I feel like [TS]

  that's not going to go anywhere and i'm [TS]

  not quite sure why Tim Cook is lobbying [TS]

  for that much because honestly does he [TS]

  need that money back into the US or is [TS]

  that just trying to be like an olive [TS]

  branch like we totally bring that money [TS]

  back and I can imagine the u.s. lowering [TS]

  the rate and that Apple going now stick [TS]

  with your 0.5% thanks a lot about [TS]

  changing law and everything but your [TS]

  point zero zero five percent versus that [TS]

  like I don't know the details of why he [TS]

  would want to bring it back specifically [TS]

  um but as for like the you know the [TS]

  shareholders are people get angry at him [TS]

  cook you know he does that all the time [TS]

  in terms of like tank telling the [TS]

  shareholder if you don't you know we [TS]

  know that this is not the best way to [TS]

  make money but if you don't like it like [TS]

  you know the the soul you know [TS]

  sustainable energy or whatever may be [TS]

  your human rights [TS]

  many times you said to investors if [TS]

  you're in it for the short term and you [TS]

  just want to do this thing just get out [TS]

  of the stock that's plenty of other [TS]

  stocks you can buy right so i think it's [TS]

  totally within reason for him to take a [TS]

  similar ethical stand on taxable here he [TS]

  just hasn't chosen to that I think it's [TS]

  two parts at one [TS]

  I don't think this is the same category [TS]

  as a you know it's I don't think it [TS]

  really is a moral issue maybe too mild [TS]

  ethical issue but morally speaking the [TS]

  environment and human rights are way [TS]

  bigger causes than arguing over whether [TS]

  tax dollars go to the EU or to the US or [TS]

  whatever it is just it's not quite the [TS]

  same thing is just shuffling paper [TS]

  around and I know there are consequences [TS]

  of all that and so on and so forth but i [TS]

  think it's hard to draw a really [TS]

  straight line between arguments between [TS]

  these giants about tax law and things [TS]

  like the environment which is like not [TS]

  doesn't doesn't recognize borders and [TS]

  shared by the entire planet and has [TS]

  reparable effects and then it just seems [TS]

  like him personally and Apple as a [TS]

  corporation don't feel like they are on [TS]

  the wrong side of this if they did they [TS]

  felt like they were on the wrong side of [TS]

  this and needed to change something they [TS]

  would change it and they would go to the [TS]

  shareholders and say if you don't like [TS]

  us doing this then fine but you know [TS]

  it's I think you don't get to be the CEO [TS]

  of one of the biggest companies in the [TS]

  world by doing things saying like I know [TS]

  our tax rated x but I just don't feel [TS]

  it's absolutely right for us to pay that [TS]

  lotion we should place an extra taxes [TS]

  this year like there's a limit to how [TS]

  far people's minds can bend you are [TS]

  around the other way I think your mind [TS]

  eventually bends to the idea that [TS]

  voluntarily pay more taxes than you need [TS]

  to do is not a good business plan and so [TS]

  that's that i think that's that's where [TS]

  they're at and maybe in his deathbed [TS]

  typical say you know what I should've [TS]

  brought that money back and just pay the [TS]

  taxes so that the the bridge that [TS]

  collapsed with my loved one on it didn't [TS]

  collapse because America doesn't know [TS]

  how to fund infrastructure anymore and [TS]

  if only i had given 20 trillion more [TS]

  dollars that it would have helped but I [TS]

  don't know I I feel like it's you know [TS]

  he's a company man he's a good CEO and [TS]

  this does not rise to the level of human [TS]

  rights for the environment [TS]

  well then that's why i like it kind of [TS]

  rubs me the wrong way like how much cook [TS]

  is kind of trying to bring the public to [TS]

  support him on this like he he's kind of [TS]

  bring this [TS]

  into the public with his statement but [TS]

  both the armed with a care right darlin [TS]

  things and the and the corporate tax [TS]

  rate in a repatriation thing and it just [TS]

  seems like like it this is one of those [TS]

  reminders like that for all the good [TS]

  things they do and for all the good [TS]

  people their apple is still a giant [TS]

  corporation and the CEO of it is still [TS]

  the CEO of a giant corporation and one [TS]

  of his main jobs is trying to pay as [TS]

  little tax as possible trying to do all [TS]

  sorts of tricks and it's a little bit [TS]

  weird [TS]

  it's a little bit weird that that cook [TS]

  seems to not sense how bring this in [TS]

  public is probably not a good use of [TS]

  that political capital but he is not i [TS]

  don't think he's bringing it to the [TS]

  public to convince them over to my side [TS]

  he's doing damage control what he [TS]

  doesn't want for if you didn't say [TS]

  anything what comes out of this is just [TS]

  the repeated idea that Apple cheats on [TS]

  his taxes and had doesn't pay its fair [TS]

  share and that's what he's coming out to [TS]

  say is like we don't cheat [TS]

  we're not doing things against long [TS]

  repair fair share that's always his [TS]

  message and if he wasn't being attacked [TS]

  like it he said nothing and just said [TS]

  like whatever the public doesn't care [TS]

  about this eventually we'll just be [TS]

  common knowledge that Apple cheats on [TS]

  his taxes and doesn't pay its fair share [TS]

  right and that's what that's why he [TS]

  feels like he has to go to the public [TS]

  now I think in general the public [TS]

  doesn't care about that much anyway but [TS]

  i still think if he didn't come out and [TS]

  argue strongly against it [TS]

  fast forward five years and you make a [TS]

  joke with Apple not paying taxes and [TS]

  everyone go home yeah although the [TS]

  company doesn't pay taxes where when in [TS]

  reality all corporations don't pay taxes [TS]

  because they all use the polls & but [TS]

  only Apple would be getting the bad PR [TS]

  you know I mean so I feel like that's [TS]

  why he is so vocal about it but in the [TS]

  grand scheme of things I don't think as [TS]

  a campaign to convince the world to call [TS]

  your Congressman two-level repatriated [TS]

  trillion dollars like that's I don't [TS]

  think that anybody's head our final [TS]

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  be releasing ostensibly the new version [TS]

  of the iphone which may or may not be [TS]

  called the iphone 7 I it may or may not [TS]

  be announcing a new Apple watch and may [TS]

  or may not be releasing new macbook pros [TS]

  thoughts on what's happening here [TS]

  I think we can all agree that there will [TS]

  be a new iphone 7 I or well as sorry i [TS]

  shouldn't say that will be the name just [TS]

  that there will be a new phone [TS]

  it sounds to me like it's pretty much a [TS]

  given that it will not have a headphone [TS]

  jack [TS]

  I think I'm okay with that [TS]

  I'm not thrilled by it but I'm not [TS]

  devastated by it either [TS]

  well this was the genius of apples PR [TS]

  campaign over the CD / basically the [TS]

  entire spring and summer of what seems [TS]

  it you know in retrospect and even seen [TS]

  a bit like at the time it seemed like a [TS]

  very good controlled league campaign to [TS]

  do you set expectations accordingly and [TS]

  get all the anger out slowly over the [TS]

  whole summer so because like we started [TS]

  hearing pretty clear rumors about there [TS]

  being no headphone jack from pretty well [TS]

  known sources like pretty good [TS]

  publications a long time ago so we've [TS]

  had the whole summer to get all mad [TS]

  about it and now we just kind of all [TS]

  accepted as okay well yeah this this for [TS]

  iphone headphone jack and like had we [TS]

  not known ahead of time by so long and [TS]

  so much time to get mad about it and [TS]

  then finally accept it that was that all [TS]

  that anger would have blown up like next [TS]

  week at the same time that Apple's using [TS]

  a design for the third year in a row for [TS]

  the first time and by the way if I may [TS]

  say again not a particularly great [TS]

  design so like imagine the anger that [TS]

  would have played and like the negative [TS]

  press coverage that would have had the [TS]

  product that now probably won't happen [TS]

  as much as I said there will be some but [TS]

  i think it won't be nearly as much as it [TS]

  would have been if we hadn't been able [TS]

  to still better from like Bloomberg and [TS]

  rumor sites for the entire summer [TS]

  yeah that's they did the best they could [TS]

  with that but there's a limit because i [TS]

  think almost everybody who goes to buy [TS]

  this new iphone will not know that it [TS]

  has no i phone jack [TS]

  so even though we are and the tech media [TS]

  which is really operative who's [TS]

  interested in the story at all months [TS]

  before comes out the tech media and us [TS]

  to read the text me diya so that's all [TS]

  they can do right so we're kind of [TS]

  getting over it and learning to deal [TS]

  with it and had all things pieces about [TS]

  and so on and so forth but we are tiny [TS]

  tiny sliver of the huge number of people [TS]

  who buy iphones and pretty much to a [TS]

  first approximation every single person [TS]

  who goes into by the new iphone in you [TS]

  know the first month or two is going to [TS]

  be like because the headphone jack until [TS]

  the story goes on your local news and [TS]

  USA Today and all sort of mainstream [TS]

  media that people watch and eventually [TS]

  the public will know what Apple has [TS]

  spared is the incredible outraged that [TS]

  would have been if it was a surprise to [TS]

  us like Parker said like if the tech [TS]

  press also was blindsided by it it would [TS]

  just be way bigger but i still think [TS]

  there will be a fairly substantial like [TS]

  speaking of tonight's show monologue [TS]

  worthy gags about the new iphone not [TS]

  having a headphone port among the [TS]

  regular people who don't follow exactly [TS]

  what the new iphone is going to be [TS]

  months in advance and they learn about [TS]

  it when the product is announced and [TS]

  when it's really stuck everybody else [TS]

  and you know and they'll get over it in [TS]

  their own time so i think i'll do the [TS]

  best i could with the PR campaign but [TS]

  we'll see if you know this is another if [TS]

  their timing is right on this or if the [TS]

  future you know [TS]

  yeah times on their side or their the [TS]

  wave of the future as they have been so [TS]

  many other times i could tell you that [TS]

  the other day I tried to plug my [TS]

  headphones into the Lightning port on my [TS]

  iphone 6 obviously I've been stewing in [TS]

  the idea that there won't be a headphone [TS]

  port for a long time but I felt like I [TS]

  got so far is that i touch the two of [TS]

  them together that's how far i gotta [TS]

  start pressing buttons touch the two of [TS]

  them together and it's mostly because [TS]

  I've been thinking for you know six [TS]

  months now or whatever it's been about [TS]

  what it might be like to have lightning [TS]

  had headphones and several months ago I [TS]

  think I sort of can't my my personal [TS]

  peace with this issue is that what all i [TS]

  ever connect to my phone are the earpods [TS]

  that came with it if it comes with your [TS]

  pods that I can still plug into the [TS]

  phone which it will find [TS]

  fine then then like with how does this [TS]

  tech person that just me personally not [TS]

  saying this is a good idea of the [TS]

  product so on and so forth just for me [TS]

  personally I really don't think this [TS]

  change will affect my life except if [TS]

  this means that the extra number of [TS]

  plugs and unplugs where my lightning [TS]

  port faster but other than that I think [TS]

  my life won't change [TS]

  i'm also very interested in the you know [TS]

  rumors of the wireless you know your pod [TS]

  things and like i'll try them out i'll [TS]

  probably buy a pair of those and give [TS]

  Apple some money because i'm kind of [TS]

  fascinated by that idea but some yeah I [TS]

  don't know how much they come across [TS]

  gonna be a hundred bucks I got some some [TS]

  person sent one to the show like someone [TS]

  who works for like this headphone [TS]

  company whose name I can't remember [TS]

  things like 801 something anyway but [TS]

  they're not why your list they have a [TS]

  wire from one year to the other [TS]

  that's what most of the divya and and on [TS]

  that wire is the little clicker thing [TS]

  and I know they're not wired in the same [TS]

  way but that why are going from one year [TS]

  to the other even though give me a place [TS]

  for the clicker still feels weird like [TS]

  it doesn't feel like their wireless [TS]

  demanded they are like there's no [TS]

  connection to my jacket pocket and the [TS]

  thing but it still feels strange to me [TS]

  so the rumors IC of Apple Apple [TS]

  potentially having one that literally [TS]

  don't have any wires on them [TS]

  I might give that a try if it's an apple [TS]

  thing but yeah I think I think we've [TS]

  covered the headphone jack and the [TS]

  iphone 7 as as has been the case with [TS]

  most iphones for the past many years we [TS]

  feel like we know every single thing [TS]

  about it we feel like seen pictures of [TS]

  the actual phone we know the only thing [TS]

  we never know is like alright 8n [TS]

  system-on-a-chip will be better how much [TS]

  better because that's the type of stuff [TS]

  doesn't leak is knowing slicing the top [TS]

  of the ship and analyzing and I before [TS]

  the thing but well they're there was [TS]

  that one leak bank thing that should be [TS]

  about fifty percent faster but i don't [TS]

  know if that was real but they have made [TS]

  jumps of that magnitude before so it is [TS]

  certainly plausible that maybe it might [TS]

  be three percent faster would be cool [TS]

  yeah I'm with and we get those you know [TS]

  those diapers like is it gonna be way [TS]

  faster a little bit faster this one [TS]

  seems like another way faster one [TS]

  obviously but i think that is you know [TS]

  it's kind of boring for these apple [TS]

  events especially like the next year [TS]

  event the 10th anniversary super-thin [TS]

  phone with like no home button and the [TS]

  touch ID in the screen and the edge to [TS]

  edge like all those rumors are already [TS]

  getting it'll be kinda [TS]

  said if we know everything about that [TS]

  one before it comes out because i would [TS]

  like to be surprised again but this [TS]

  seems last night to be possible when you [TS]

  sell so many hundreds of millions of [TS]

  these things it's impossible for the [TS]

  horizontal weekend for the September [TS]

  event like that's that's the main that's [TS]

  the headline attraction every single [TS]

  rumor story has been saying don't look [TS]

  for max don't bother is not the type of [TS]

  event so humble bar i'm already prepared [TS]

  not to see anything about Max I'm fine [TS]

  with the max coming out at a later date [TS]

  see that you can't let it go and I mean [TS]

  everyone everyone is basically saying [TS]

  like everyone basically reporting as [TS]

  fact now so which sounds a lot like [TS]

  controlled weeks they're basically [TS]

  reporting as fact that like there won't [TS]

  be max announced that will come later [TS]

  which of course max are always coming [TS]

  later it'll be great next year so it i'm [TS]

  not ready to let go yet if only because [TS]

  so we're pretty sure it's not gonna be [TS]

  iPads this event and the phone updates [TS]

  are going to be not that major like you [TS]

  know not taking a lot of stage time [TS]

  so what that is going full time in the [TS]

  event like this is going to take small [TS]

  event yeah but that's how it sounds like [TS]

  Apple watch 2 is also pretty minor [TS]

  yeah but two minor things you know first [TS]

  of all you know how long they can go on [TS]

  about anything they'll be showing you a [TS]

  million pictures from the dual camera [TS]

  i'll be showing you all the graphs and [TS]

  the probably show iOS 10 features again [TS]

  yes like it will take a lot and then the [TS]

  watch this is the deep first and only [TS]

  significant update to the watch besides [TS]

  new colors new bands they're gonna spend [TS]

  a long time and that especially if it's [TS]

  God we have these a these tips from the [TS]

  not from the tipsters and on tips are [TS]

  tips so who knows the problem is that i [TS]

  couldn't even more fabricated stories [TS]

  about USB hubs not stickered yeah is [TS]

  that is the watch to GPS which would be [TS]

  big deal of it was true because they're [TS]

  all we've been hearing from from random [TS]

  rumors over the past year or so is that [TS]

  Apple has learned that pretty much the [TS]

  most important function of the Apple [TS]

  watch for those customers [TS]

  fitness-related and people are still [TS]

  wearing fits and stuff so you know if [TS]

  you have gps on the watch itself that [TS]

  really changes the story in terms of [TS]

  applications to keep track of your [TS]

  exercising do running if you want to do [TS]

  without your phone if that's the thing [TS]

  that people want to do improve [TS]

  waterproofing which is hard to imagine [TS]

  because Craig Hockenberry is taking [TS]

  something like [TS]

  250 swims in the ocean with his watching [TS]

  is still going strong so affect the [TS]

  waterproofing is already pretty good at [TS]

  the apple watch one will stick around a [TS]

  lower price which is totally Tim Cook [TS]

  thing to do but the other hand sounds [TS]

  crazy to me but you know he's left the [TS]

  cpu dies fast spot ya more health [TS]

  sensors did not make it again this is [TS]

  the persistent rumor when the first [TS]

  watch came out everyone's like Oh Apple [TS]

  wanted to do like a blood oxygenation [TS]

  but they couldn't because of FDA blah [TS]

  blah and second watch same set of rumors [TS]

  I want to do more health stuff but they [TS]

  couldn't because lots of regulation so [TS]

  they can you just run that remember [TS]

  forever because if there's never any new [TS]

  healthier like he just missed it ever [TS]

  wanted to do it but couldn't not you [TS]

  know show me the features or don't and a [TS]

  potential for an improved model with [TS]

  more health sensors and six months but [TS]

  it could be pushed into Christmas 2017 [TS]

  so yeah you're right the apple watch [TS]

  tumors if even if you believe every [TS]

  single one of these tips gps i think [TS]

  that's that's pretty big if they can [TS]

  make it thinner but i doubt they will [TS]

  that's kinda big but I fully believe [TS]

  that we can make a full presentation out [TS]

  of a new line of phones and new line of [TS]

  watches and not mention anything about [TS]

  the mac lab and let's not forget that we [TS]

  also have watching us three which I i [TS]

  know was covered at WCC but it's a big [TS]

  change and especially if the watch sales [TS]

  have been kind of myth which is what [TS]

  everyone seems to think whether or not [TS]

  that's true who knows then they're going [TS]

  to want to really do a pretty [TS]

  significant dog-and-pony show about [TS]

  watch us three there could be a video [TS]

  game demo or 2 on iOS 10 with new [TS]

  hardware i mean we could easily what [TS]

  you're saying Marco is how could a [TS]

  teepee have an episode of more than 20 [TS]

  minutes when there's nothing going on in [TS]

  the middle of the summer [TS]

  well we always find a way and Apple came [TS]

  to going back a step though I a couple [TS]

  things one I would love for my Apple [TS]

  watch to be thinner this is the only [TS]

  Apple device that i can think of that I [TS]

  really really really want to be thinner [TS]

  very much so and I think that there's [TS]

  plenty of room to give even while [TS]

  keeping the same band compatibility [TS]

  which I think they will and i think [TS]

  that's important i think there's plenty [TS]

  of room for them to give on the [TS]

  thickness and if the battery life stays [TS]

  roughly the same and to be honest if the [TS]

  performance only gets a little bit [TS]

  faster i'm okay with that but i would [TS]

  love for this thing to be thinner [TS]

  I have another question I want to ask [TS]

  you guys for market yes it sounds like [TS]

  you have some thoughts on this [TS]

  I just I i was i'm laughing everytime i [TS]

  see like there's there's the recent [TS]

  rumor is that the battery for the watch [TS]

  got like thirty percent bigger and [TS]

  better they achieve this in roughly the [TS]

  same test cases by making that some of [TS]

  the screen components smaller and it's [TS]

  like this is the one Apple product that [TS]

  doesn't really need more bad it looks [TS]

  like the 42 millimeter getting three [TS]

  getting a third percent bigger battery [TS]

  life it's like this like it already has [TS]

  an amazing battery life well they said [TS]

  that the battery got three percent [TS]

  bigger but if you have gps on it doesn't [TS]

  mean it gets any better battery life [TS]

  well that's true although it to be [TS]

  fairly and I think this wasn't connected [TS]

  we're talking about like what that is [TS]

  likely to be or maybe with upgrade we're [TS]

  basically like you know assuming this [TS]

  thing its GPS it's probably going to be [TS]

  a lot like the like the workout mode [TS]

  something where like you can turn it on [TS]

  you have to explicitly turn around when [TS]

  you want it and it's probably not going [TS]

  to be on the vast majority of the time [TS]

  you probably got like really explicitly [TS]

  called us there i turn on gps now it'll [TS]

  be the absolute i think the app will be [TS]

  able to control like for you go for your [TS]

  our long-run you start your workout and [TS]

  your app gets to run the whole time [TS]

  because they have the new feature and [TS]

  watching us three where you get the run [TS]

  for during the whole workout and that [TS]

  will slaughter your battery if you run [TS]

  for an hour or two if they don't give [TS]

  you a 3-percent bigger battery so I feel [TS]

  like it'll probably a wash [TS]

  yeah well you probably although it's [TS]

  it'll be a massive boom people don't use [TS]

  gps so there you go [TS]

  yeah well this is why like I really i [TS]

  would love it if Apple it basically [TS]

  split the sport features off into their [TS]

  into the sport model and and also had [TS]

  like maybe take the steel model and make [TS]

  it like a little bit like dressy or one [TS]

  like the office one you know I get like [TS]

  that's the one you wear to work or you [TS]

  know whatever and like the a few if you [TS]

  don't need some of the more advanced [TS]

  fitness features like some of the more [TS]

  some of the more advanced sensors or GPS [TS]

  maybe you can get a thinner steel watch [TS]

  for couple hundred dollars more looks a [TS]

  little bit nicer and then the sport [TS]

  model which is most of the ones are [TS]

  selling anyway can still get all this [TS]

  big bulky stuff and some of the more [TS]

  fitness stuff because that's what that's [TS]

  what most of its buyers actually want so [TS]

  you want a day watching and i watch got [TS]

  it to go back to the phone [TS]

  but if they go with killing the [TS]

  headphone jack which seems pretty much [TS]

  given i have seen a rumor that answers [TS]

  this question but i'm curious what you [TS]

  guys thinking let's start with John do [TS]

  you think that they will include some [TS]

  sort of lightning to what is the acronym [TS]

  for the headphone port trrs thank you [TS]

  a lightning to TRS adapter will that be [TS]

  in the box yes or no John siracusa i had [TS]

  to put money out i would say no just [TS]

  because I feel like they're gonna [TS]

  include earpods with a lightning [TS]

  connector on the end in the box because [TS]

  they've been so you know sort of stingy [TS]

  with the accessories lately [TS]

  the only thing that's making me question [TS]

  a little bit is how they would sell the [TS]

  presumed passive no chips required [TS]

  connector for the adapter because apple [TS]

  doesn't like to sell things for less [TS]

  than like 20 colors and can i sell that [TS]

  adapter for ten and twenty dollars it's [TS]

  so tiny the box it would be like the [TS]

  size of the old ipod shuffle tried a [TS]

  stick of gum box maybe even smaller like [TS]

  i don't i don't know how they sell this [TS]

  in a way like even just thinking of like [TS]

  shrinkage as they call the industry or [TS]

  theft like how can you even have these [TS]

  like it would have a tic-tac dispenser [TS]

  that just dumps these things out like oh [TS]

  that's the only thing that's making its [TS]

  like they don't sell the pin that the [TS]

  the sim card removal tool right don't [TS]

  sell that separately they also don't [TS]

  give it to you in the Box a lot of times [TS]

  with the phone but that's the type of [TS]

  thing like it's so freaking small and so [TS]

  cheap [TS]

  how can you sell it separately and yet [TS]

  they must sell it separately if they [TS]

  don't included in the box but i still [TS]

  think that the smart money is on no [TS]

  adapter in the box but but it's [TS]

  borderline the chat room is saying [TS]

  exactly what i was going to say to you [TS]

  which is they sold the mac safe 122 [TS]

  adapter which was ten dollars right and [TS]

  that was super weird right there was [TS]

  super-weird a really small and like not [TS]

  a normal did they do and also way fewer [TS]

  people need magsafe 122 there then could [TS]

  potentially be in the market is a [TS]

  difficult obviously every third party in [TS]

  the world will also sell this adapter [TS]

  but they're not Apple like it's weird [TS]

  for Apple to be selling something anyway [TS]

  yeah just lightning lightning your pods [TS]

  in the box also as tips are set in the [TS]

  chat like even if they include the box [TS]

  still to sell it separately as people [TS]

  going to need more than one [TS]

  well that's interesting play now I'm [TS]

  it's just it's just a weird product for [TS]

  apple celery I guess that this upper 30 [TS]

  bucks it's not weird anymore than then [TS]

  they'll be screaming I mean you know I [TS]

  am I'm as much of a skeptic and cynical [TS]

  about about the the temple care of Apple [TS]

  being super profitable and driving a [TS]

  protection sales and everything however [TS]

  even I don't think it's gonna be 30 [TS]

  bucks i think it's going to be your 10 [TS]

  or 20 i would agree with that but Marco [TS]

  do you think it will be in the box yes [TS]

  for now [TS]

  no because and I think Gruber mentioned [TS]

  this at one point basically be like if [TS]

  they put in the box that's kind of an [TS]

  admission that it's necessary and I [TS]

  don't see them i don't see them doing [TS]

  that I see them saying this this is the [TS]

  future [TS]

  up until today I would have said no [TS]

  freaking way that adapter will be in the [TS]

  box however there was a post that I saw [TS]

  earlier today I'm never gonna be able to [TS]

  find the link and I'm sorry but there's [TS]

  a post with a picture of like it [TS]

  included many different things but one [TS]

  of the things that included was a list [TS]

  of the things in the iphone 7 box and [TS]

  believe it was called iphone 7 and this [TS]

  was like a korean model gosh only knows [TS]

  it was legit or not but it said in there [TS]

  lightning powered earpods that wasn't [TS]

  exactly raising but something like that [TS]

  and a lightning to headphone jack [TS]

  adapter in the box which I would be very [TS]

  surprised if that's the case i think the [TS]

  same that that it is a position of [TS]

  strength to or a a a strong move not to [TS]

  include it and it is an admission of [TS]

  weakness if they do include it [TS]

  I I think it's more customer-friendly to [TS]

  include it but that's not generally [TS]

  apple style when it comes to these sorts [TS]

  of things i'll be surprised if it's in [TS]

  there but the the smoke is saying that [TS]

  it will be well that there is more [TS]

  perilous Thunderbolt Display than you [TS]

  think there's no thunderbolt display [TS]

  thing was alright so we're so on this [TS]

  thing and all of a sudden we sell a line [TS]

  of computers that don't work with the [TS]

  little magsafe things dangling off of it [TS]

  right so we have one product and that [TS]

  product is fine as it is but we [TS]

  introduce another product here like some [TS]

  it doesn't match up with the rest of our [TS]

  product line so now we have to pick one [TS]

  of these products to ship with a thing [TS]

  that says okay when you buy this one you [TS]

  can be weird to buy thunderbolt display [TS]

  and not to be able to use it with the [TS]

  brand new laptop that you just brought [TS]

  along side for selling them [TS]

  simultaneously or you know one no matter [TS]

  what [TS]

  you didn't say you buy a laptop then you [TS]

  know six months later use the [TS]

  Thunderbolt Display has been out for [TS]

  like a hundred years for the cancel it [TS]

  six months later you by a thunderbolt [TS]

  display you'd be surprised what I put [TS]

  this laptop not that long ago and now [TS]

  i'm buying a brand new monitor doesn't [TS]

  work with it so Apple wants his products [TS]

  to work together well apple owns beats [TS]

  say you buy beats headphones and then a [TS]

  couple months later the new iPhone comes [TS]

  out it feels kind of weird you just [TS]

  bought this product in an apple store [TS]

  from basically apple that you can't use [TS]

  with your just purchased iphone i think [TS]

  it was asking what you thought they [TS]

  would do I think they should include [TS]

  adapter in the box especially if it's [TS]

  passive and that's why I feel like it's [TS]

  borderline where it's not the apple [TS]

  thing to do but if they were it's kind [TS]

  of like the bumper case like they didn't [TS]

  include the bumper case with the iphones [TS]

  but eventually save jobs like find your [TS]

  bumpers [TS]

  free bumpers for everybody like it's a [TS]

  nice way to make a problem go away to [TS]

  have liked to have a ready answer when [TS]

  they say but you took away the headphone [TS]

  ports like that becomes in the box i was [TS]

  still bet against it but it's a lot [TS]

  closer than I would have thought of [TS]

  never having cute on the side past [TS]

  several months I would not bet super [TS]

  heavily on it but it's still my bet [TS]

  no I i agree that they should put in the [TS]

  box for customer statins they really [TS]

  should and that would help a lot [TS]

  dig that would change the story from [TS]

  you're making us by new crap to most [TS]

  people just saying oh now we have to use [TS]

  other things in the box which it's still [TS]

  a crap move i think overall remove this [TS]

  jack for apparently no need in this [TS]

  generation but at least that would that [TS]

  would really change like it would make [TS]

  it so that when you get these things no [TS]

  matter what kind of headphones use with [TS]

  your phone [TS]

  you don't have to buy anything extra [TS]

  just to use your headphones with your [TS]

  new iphone and that that is a big [TS]

  satisfaction when at the purchase point [TS]

  like it makes it less and less like a [TS]

  quote money grab this phrase I hate that [TS]

  everyone loved so much like if they make [TS]

  you spend after twenty bucks to adapt [TS]

  you're using happens to it people are [TS]

  getting that they're not gonna get mad [TS]

  as twenty bucks for that matter that [TS]

  this that it's like an add-on at all the [TS]

  other confused the moneygram as the [TS]

  storage [TS]

  happy graduation [TS]

  and there's a money-grab here it's not [TS]

  that bad phones yeah and all all the [TS]

  rumors finally they're saying now what [TS]

  now that now that even 32 is becoming [TS]

  too small apple is finally upgrading [TS]

  from 16 to 32 for the baseline I was [TS]

  like we could we could move to 32 but [TS]

  it's 32 painfully small for people let's [TS]

  wait another year and then finally say [TS]

  we can move to 32 is 32 painfully small [TS]

  it's actually painful small for a lot of [TS]

  customers good let's move to announce [TS]

  yeah we actually uh a couple year [TS]

  yeah but about a year ago or so a year [TS]

  and a half we bought my mother-in-law [TS]

  and ipad air or air to it was her first [TS]

  ipad so and we weren't sure she was [TS]

  going to use it that much so we only got [TS]

  the base 32 model they were preparing [TS]

  for a trip and you want to like put [TS]

  videos on here I'm like juggling like [TS]

  are we going down this video for the [TS]

  plane now we're going to delete this [TS]

  video and try to figure how to download [TS]

  this video in SD instead of HD which is [TS]

  not easy and it's like all this juggling [TS]

  like that 32 turns out every 32 kind of [TS]

  isn't big enough anymore either [TS]

  so it is definitely time to move to 32 [TS]

  and the thing is with the storage that [TS]

  mean I'm glad they're moving out from 16 [TS]

  because it is 16 and come on it's [TS]

  getting ridiculous but you know like [TS]

  Google photos just had that and i think [TS]

  was a TV ad or an online and had you [TS]

  know ridiculing apple for like four [TS]

  people who basically own iPhones and [TS]

  take a lot of pictures and eventually [TS]

  you can take your picture it says your [TS]

  storage is full [TS]

  yep and this is a thing that happens [TS]

  because people take lots of pictures [TS]

  with their phones and people don't [TS]

  delete the pictures when they're done [TS]

  with them because they you know like why [TS]

  would I believe them i want to keep my [TS]

  photos and apple has iCloud photo [TS]

  library that supposed to take care of [TS]

  this for you in practices I've seen in [TS]

  person for myself many many times the [TS]

  so-called of the sort of like optimized [TS]

  storage form of you automatically does [TS]

  not do it when you want to you fill it [TS]

  up and you're like okay optimized [TS]

  storage now like what signal you need [TS]

  that money from the operating system i [TS]

  am full i can't find him on my things [TS]

  like I was trying to import photos into [TS]

  into the like I'm in the photos [TS]

  application [TS]

  I mean maybe photos isn't something that [TS]

  optimize the story maybe it's the [TS]

  background ubiquity demon or whatever [TS]

  you know who knows but I'm trying to [TS]

  import photos nose and trying to import [TS]

  photos tells me there's not enough room [TS]

  like you but I have the optimized [TS]

  storage then check just purged a bunch [TS]

  of old pictures like do it now and [TS]

  there's no button that says please [TS]

  three of my disk space by purging [TS]

  pictures because that's not the Apple [TS]

  way and so I'm just stuck there staring [TS]

  at going well you won't let me in Port [TS]

  offers SD card i have optimized storage [TS]

  check do I just like wait 24 hours to [TS]

  see if you'll you know that do i import [TS]

  just enough photos to push the disc [TS]

  basket storage limit like in practice it [TS]

  doesn't work the way it's supposed to [TS]

  work but Apple really believes their [TS]

  tech line up their bullet points like oh [TS]

  we have appt thinning and we have you no [TS]

  incremental download the content and we [TS]

  have the optimizing storage for photos [TS]

  library and for movies and iCloud [TS]

  storage and backup so 16 is actually not [TS]

  that bad remember that story for the [TS]

  past few years and make those shoulders [TS]

  said in person one of the things like 16 [TS]

  doesn't seem like a lot but we have all [TS]

  these amazing technologies for [TS]

  compression and putting the files from [TS]

  your desktop and mac mac OS Sierra up to [TS]

  get like yeah you've got all that stuff [TS]

  but a you're fighting back against the [TS]

  tide like people use more stories as [TS]

  time goes on period that's just the way [TS]

  it works and be that crap doesn't work [TS]

  like it doesn't work when you need it [TS]

  most when you run out of space there is [TS]

  no recourse there's no button to push [TS]

  and doesn't magically automatically [TS]

  imagine what it does to give you is the [TS]

  dialogue that says you're out of space [TS]

  and people don't know how to deal with [TS]

  that and then you get the dialogues [TS]

  about you can't fit your your backup on [TS]

  iCloud as you increase the storage so [TS]

  Apple in theory has tech surrounding [TS]

  this that that mitigated somewhat but in [TS]

  practice that google ad was you know [TS]

  right on the money like this is a real [TS]

  experience that people had google google [TS]

  is promising out there delivering cuz I [TS]

  musical photos writing on the back up [TS]

  what Google is promising is hey we have [TS]

  essentially exactly the same system but [TS]

  are actually works and we won't give you [TS]

  the out of space because I imagine [TS]

  google on the fly when you're taking a [TS]

  picture it doesn't remember started [TS]

  immediately delete one photo and stores [TS]

  it like it does it does a better job of [TS]

  what apple says it's going to do so [TS]

  yeah about Apple's its cloud storage [TS]

  situation remains brought but if they're [TS]

  finally ready to move to 32 [TS]

  that's good if they give their getting [TS]

  rid of 64 is going to be 3 2 128 256 [TS]

  actually I think that's actually not [TS]

  that bad because I feel like 64 should [TS]

  be the minimum anyway and I like the [TS]

  fact that you have to jump from 32 to [TS]

  128 but it's going to make apples [TS]

  storage pricing cheering look really [TS]

  weird like 32 128 is an extra hundred [TS]

  dollars [TS]

  well but already did yeah i know it [TS]

  always like that anyway you just try to [TS]

  think about that's that's where the [TS]

  magic money is made it closely with the [TS]

  tears are also some real-time follow-up [TS]

  i forgot that my ipad is also 32 gigs [TS]

  like when i ordered my 9.7 ipad pro in [TS]

  may I I wasn't sure if I would take to [TS]

  the ipad against I've been I've been [TS]

  kind of an ipad skeptic for so long so i [TS]

  also just got 32 and that was a big [TS]

  problem when i tried a lot of videos on [TS]

  it for the plane ride home from WTC and [TS]

  there's basically no space to do [TS]

  anything useful [TS]

  I think mine might be as well I don't [TS]

  have it next to me additional real-time [TS]

  follow-up panda 19 and the chat was able [TS]

  to find the link i was thinking of it [TS]

  was on macrumors it looking at this [TS]

  again I mean it's super sketchy but it [TS]

  reads includes iphone 7 plus earpods [TS]

  with lightning contact connector [TS]

  lightning to headphone jack adapter [TS]

  lightning to USB cable and USB power [TS]

  adapter you know it's real [TS]

  yeah we don't say and by the way [TS]

  speaking of announcements that the [TS]

  alternate show idea have because very [TS]

  frequently i think of the show we have a [TS]

  pretty bad track record of predicting [TS]

  what's going to be announced but the the [TS]

  alternate theory of what could play out [TS]

  in the show is a new iphone nothing [TS]

  about Apple watch and the new laptops [TS]

  even though they're not shipping until [TS]

  much later that is that also a show that [TS]

  I could totally envision because it that [TS]

  I think that fits into the thing of like [TS]

  hey we spent all this time talking about [TS]

  Apple watch to Apple didn't say a single [TS]

  word about it i don't think it's likely [TS]

  but that's the feeling you know usually [TS]

  have to redo one of the shows that i [TS]

  watch the actual announcement like [TS]

  that's nothing like what we talked about [TS]

  we totally got this wrong i'm pretty [TS]

  sure there'll be a new iphone though [TS]

  well the question is like are they going [TS]

  to have multiple events this fall or not [TS]

  and it's I think so far most of the [TS]

  rumblings point2 know it's a single [TS]

  event again so if there's only one [TS]

  public event to keep in mind that this [TS]

  is like their whole like holiday [TS]

  shopping lineup that they're debuting [TS]

  here too so I think the watch has it has [TS]

  it has to be a part of it like even if [TS]

  all they have to announce is a [TS]

  relatively minor boost of like you know [TS]

  what if if watch to isn't even called [TS]

  watch to or if it's you know if it is [TS]

  coming down plays ago now the new Apple [TS]

  watch the new Apple watch has gps at the [TS]

  you know 499 price point and then the [TS]

  cheaper ones don't have any know what [TS]

  however they do it there the watch is [TS]

  going to be there because they're going [TS]

  to [TS]

  have maybe new colors are gonna [TS]

  definitely have new bands you know [TS]

  because it's like bands are seasonal [TS]

  it's fashion and lots of wonderful [TS]

  attachment profit sales they're so like [TS]

  yeah there's gonna be a new bands for [TS]

  the fall in the winter your debut all [TS]

  those at this event so unless the only [TS]

  reason they wouldn't is if they're doing [TS]

  another event later in the fall like [TS]

  right before big shopping season really [TS]

  starts but I think they're probably not [TS]

  and if they're not this event is gonna [TS]

  be full of stuff to buy for the holiday [TS]

  season and if max don't fit [TS]

  that's really sad to me but I i could [TS]

  see there's no chance the Washington [TS]

  being mentioned and there's no chance [TS]

  you're going to new bands of the thing I [TS]

  the reason I mentioned like not showing [TS]

  the Washington showing the laptops are [TS]

  just showing laptops at all even though [TS]

  they're totally not ready or whatever is [TS]

  just because the whole whole whole LED [TS]

  strip thing on the keyboard [TS]

  it just seems like the type of feature [TS]

  that apple would like to announce makino [TS]

  Jason Snelling six colors said you know [TS]

  they would just do individual press [TS]

  briefings that's a possibility which [TS]

  have done many times before that's true [TS]

  but I feel like they've never done this [TS]

  sort of private embargoed individual [TS]

  press briefings for feature that's so [TS]

  demands a demo and video like a pet [TS]

  presentation directly from apple to the [TS]

  public about this feature because [TS]

  normally they would have those briefings [TS]

  about you know a new version of the OS [TS]

  that's been seen several times before [TS]

  but here's the official release or [TS]

  oriented you know that the first look at [TS]

  a new OS or new laptops that are better [TS]

  in a couple ways but I just feel like [TS]

  Apple should be the one to present [TS]

  whatever this weird new strip thing is [TS]

  because it is weird like even though pc [TS]

  makers already doing it and everything [TS]

  like it's something I feel like they [TS]

  need to explain to the public in some [TS]

  way and it even if it's not going to [TS]

  ship until like november it would be [TS]

  great if they put just maybe maybe just [TS]

  a 15 inch pro like just pick one model [TS]

  to to explain this whole strip thing and [TS]

  then dole out the other ones and also [TS]

  save them from the indignity of pretty [TS]

  much missing another narration like you [TS]

  know that the kb or can be like I don't [TS]

  know how to pronounce it that the one [TS]

  that comes after sky like has been [TS]

  announced in the laptop chips are coming [TS]

  out and everything so if Apple weights [TS]

  much longer by the time they get there [TS]

  they're you know brand-new sky like a [TS]

  macbook pros out [TS]

  the next one will already be shipping in [TS]

  pcs that's that's not a great look after [TS]

  all complaints about them being behind [TS]

  like hey we finally did it we updated [TS]

  the macbook pros I I'm okay Blake isn't [TS]

  that big of a deal i maybe people are [TS]

  something like all the reason waiting so [TS]

  long as they're gonna have to be like [TS]

  guys don't hold your breath [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah just give me like you [TS]

  know like sky like was announced a long [TS]

  time ago to we don't have that yet you [TS]

  know that entails announcements this is [TS]

  the same process so there's you know but [TS]

  but it's visit is a chance if they you [TS]

  know [TS]

  wait a really long time for them to ship [TS]

  but Katie like all gives you is [TS]

  essentially better hardware decoding of [TS]

  video which is great but i don't know [TS]

  how much of that Apple uses and a clock [TS]

  speed boost because they're have the [TS]

  process allows them to crank it up a [TS]

  little bit that their new FinFET process [TS]

  or whatever I was all great and good [TS]

  Apple should totally use it as soon as [TS]

  they possibly can but at this point i [TS]

  would say even if you're going to be a [TS]

  little embarrassed just shit but you've [TS]

  got shipped the freakin sky like things [TS]

  just do it and then upgrade them to keep [TS]

  it like as soon as you can because [TS]

  however like whatever you whatever Apple [TS]

  feels about like whatever is holding us [TS]

  back that the status quo has to be worse [TS]

  of selling these ancient macbook pros as [TS]

  new to anybody who needs one right now [TS]

  like that's that's got to be worse than [TS]

  what everyone is back but anyway who [TS]

  knows we'll find out one thing actually [TS]

  do wanna mention before we leave the mac [TS]

  topic hear the rumor has come out in the [TS]

  last couple days that they that in [TS]

  addition to the macbook pros also a [TS]

  macbook air update to us bc and I wanted [TS]

  to to tie this into something else there [TS]

  was maybe a few months back I forget [TS]

  when or who i think it might have been [TS]

  ming-chi Kuo who said one room report [TS]

  from somebody who is actually fairly [TS]

  well source that kind of got blown over [TS]

  that basically said that we know we're [TS]

  going to see like new macbook pros [TS]

  everything and they also going to be a [TS]

  new 13-inch macbook one and at the time [TS]

  we were like what that doesn't make [TS]

  sense [TS]

  and now there's a rumor that there's [TS]

  gonna be a new macbook air update to us [TS]

  bc so I think this is the same computer [TS]

  talking about and we've heard nothing [TS]

  about this in the tips are so I'm you [TS]

  know this who knows what whether there's [TS]

  anything behind this but I think this is [TS]

  the [TS]

  rumors about the same thing that it that [TS]

  it basically is an update to the macbook [TS]

  air to the 13-inch macbook air maybe [TS]

  only three you know maybe the 11 isn't [TS]

  even included maybe it's only up to 13 [TS]

  macbook air and maybe it goes retina [TS]

  because you know Apple obviously tried [TS]

  but the macbook one and to a large [TS]

  degree succeeded but not that they tried [TS]

  to replace the macbook air line with [TS]

  something even more extreme even thinner [TS]

  even lighter even more limited but turns [TS]

  out the macbook air is really great in a [TS]

  lot of ways the macbook one can't or [TS]

  won't be because it's too limited to you [TS]

  know in size or thermals or whatever [TS]

  else it can achieve the same thing with [TS]

  the macbook air so what if Apple kind of [TS]

  was was pressured by really customer [TS]

  reaction to the macbook one and what if [TS]

  they are going to continue kind of a [TS]

  macbook air maybe you even if just [TS]

  called a macbook and it happens to be a [TS]

  13-inch one day that's that there were [TS]

  no it's not going to be an error in in [TS]

  anything it's just going to be a 13-inch [TS]

  macbook one and when it starts engine [TS]

  suddenly we have more room for USB ports [TS]

  right yeah so maybe the new 13-inch [TS]

  macbook one quote which is really an air [TS]

  maybe that uses the macbook air internal [TS]

  platform those wonderful 15-watt cpus [TS]

  that are an amazing balance of battery [TS]

  life and performance and Intel's lineup [TS]

  that right now with what we know today [TS]

  so far like with if the if the macbook [TS]

  air goes away [TS]

  there's nowhere for those cpus to be [TS]

  using the lineup and that would be such [TS]

  a waste because they're so good they're [TS]

  so compelling and such a great balance [TS]

  of what most people need a performance [TS]

  and battery life to have that be [TS]

  available in a 13-inch enclosure that is [TS]

  macbook air like and macbook like you [TS]

  know somewhere in the middle there and [TS]

  to have those nice cpus it would have to [TS]

  have a fan of course because you know [TS]

  those are a lot hotter cpus but that's [TS]

  ok for a lot of people everyone seems to [TS]

  get along with just find whatever the [TS]

  laptop that would be I think an amazing [TS]

  product to basically be a new 13-inch [TS]

  retina air [TS]

  I've been assuming this whole time that [TS]

  rather than continue the macbook air [TS]

  line in a new way that they were going [TS]

  to just shrink the knife of proline [TS]

  enough so that the 13-inch macbook pro [TS]

  would get small enough to replace their [TS]

  chair but if they really want to keep 13 [TS]

  chair [TS]

  shape and slot in the lineup going they [TS]

  really could do a better job at keeping [TS]

  it going [TS]

  we're in with the same shapes and Susan [TS]

  now with with that line of processors [TS]

  and internals and general shape and size [TS]

  rather than trying to make the Pro [TS]

  smaller with the pros hotter cpus more [TS]

  ports marketability cetera so if this is [TS]

  true that there's gonna be a macbook air [TS]

  update and if that old rumor of a [TS]

  13-inch macbook is actually tied [TS]

  interact with the same thing [TS]

  this could be an amazing computer that [TS]

  comes out of nowhere [TS]

  well I think you're kind of forgetting [TS]

  the Tim Cook factor which is the only [TS]

  reason I'm still entertaining the ideas [TS]

  of the silly macro care continuation I [TS]

  mean like this is the Apple look at the [TS]

  ipad 2 around for a long time this is [TS]

  the Apple that is rumored to keep the [TS]

  apple watch one around like what kind of [TS]

  company we continue selling and non [TS]

  retina macbook air with us bc upgrade [TS]

  because you could make that machine put [TS]

  you know you said put 15 want cpu and [TS]

  they're with us be supporting chipset [TS]

  keep the same old crappy non retina [TS]

  screen just keep selling it what kind of [TS]

  monster would do that [TS]

  Tim Cook sample scripts i'm not saying [TS]

  it's like to redeem it seems really but [TS]

  I can't totally discount it because [TS]

  that's that's the thing like hey people [TS]

  want to keep it it's like its like the [TS]

  taking father away from the whole speeds [TS]

  and feeds I think that's plenty of [TS]

  product categories where like we have a [TS]

  popular model and you just keep selling [TS]

  I think I just retweeted a someone [TS]

  posted a link to a teardown of you know [TS]

  that the shaver in a barbershop shave [TS]

  like the back your neck with the little [TS]

  getting rid of getting you know share my [TS]

  whole head but that John yeah well they [TS]

  go one of those this 50 years old and [TS]

  then the same device it purchased in [TS]

  2016 so 50 years yeah and it and they [TS]

  pull apart to see whether like they're [TS]

  different on the inside because we've [TS]

  all seen that share our entire lives [TS]

  right it's a fifty-year-old product and [TS]

  if you look at modern they don't look [TS]

  that much different guess what on the [TS]

  inside they're also not that different [TS]

  lots of industries sell a product that [TS]

  becomes popular like if people keep [TS]

  buying it [TS]

  let's keep selling it what don't have it [TS]

  ain't broke don't fix it right and like [TS]

  yeah but computers you can have to [TS]

  update those right and today's apples [TS]

  like do you may be upselling on retina [TS]

  screen for really really [TS]

  a lot of people keep buying it like [TS]

  people love that macbook air and yeah [TS]

  they would like the computer the Marco [TS]

  described even better but you know cheap [TS]

  we can make that are now we paid for the [TS]

  tooling and those non-retina screens are [TS]

  dirt cheap and like you know how long [TS]

  can we sell the ipad 2 well education [TS]

  blah blah blah you know what people [TS]

  suckers keep buying this thing why are [TS]

  we bend over backwards to make new [TS]

  models you know so I don't like that [TS]

  idea [TS]

  I don't think that's a good fit for [TS]

  technology but Apple in recent years has [TS]

  really been stretching the bounds of [TS]

  what we previously considered a [TS]

  reasonable thing for technology company [TS]

  to do and their argument would be like [TS]

  look we keep selling them like you think [TS]

  it's bad Oh boohoo [TS]

  does your opinion matter customers are [TS]

  buying them right and then are you know [TS]

  counter is obviously like your long-term [TS]

  customers had a stupid you're being [TS]

  penny wise pound foolish blah blah we [TS]

  can all have that debate but that's the [TS]

  only reason I'm not one hundred percent [TS]

  discount the idea of an actual product [TS]

  labeled macbook air with a non retina [TS]

  screen the USBC port on the side would [TS]

  just be an abomination that no one wants [TS]

  to see lurched out onto the stage in any [TS]

  sort of presentation but i live in fear [TS]

  of it [TS]

  well that's always there was no way we [TS]

  mentioned the event we just kind of [TS]

  happened and how they would hope nobody [TS]

  notices website where people would [TS]

  notice [TS]

  like what not right now but the more i [TS]

  think about this the more I think [TS]

  well obviously we know that there's a [TS]

  September seventh and then but what I [TS]

  think about that is it will be an iphone [TS]

  which everyone pretty much knows i think [TS]

  there will be Apple watch two and i [TS]

  think that will be the whole then I [TS]

  think there will be a brief event after [TS]

  this that will include a possibly [TS]

  entirely reflect / refreshed line of [TS]

  macbooks and maybe even desktop max I'm [TS]

  looking at you Minnie and pro god help [TS]

  us all right on and also the new monitor [TS]

  that that it seems is probably coming [TS]

  I think we'll be at that second event [TS]

  what I'm not sure of as if the ipad will [TS]

  get the updates [TS]

  I don't think so and even if it does [TS]

  where would that fall you know do they [TS]

  put that in in next week's event because [TS]

  its iOS do they put it in the [TS]

  phantom later on event because it's a [TS]

  computer replacement i'm not really sure [TS]

  but i would guess iphone and matt and [TS]

  watch next week which is not a very [TS]

  controversial gas but i do think there [TS]

  will be an event that is after that that [TS]

  has many different kinds of Max and a [TS]

  new display and whatever else they might [TS]