187: Putting Plastic on Your Couches
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have you guys noticed that this is the
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1000 day anniversary of the mac pro god
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do we really have to talk about that
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already all fired up
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this is the longest Mac Pro has ever
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gone although if you count the 2012 as
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really just 2010 which I would that
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actually is a longer span this is that
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was like 1100 but if you can't them
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separately the way Apple release them
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this is the longest span by a good
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margin yay happy birthday mac pro or
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something but was it you that was
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tweeting the other day that like you're
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talking about next spring or something
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because you thought they weren't gonna
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update the mac pro until they get the
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sky like e in it
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whatever happened to them just using the
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chips that are available now you've
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given up on that amount o we can barely
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get them to use anything the I the last
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thing we're gonna do is use a
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six-month-old ship mean that they're
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going to either wait a six-month-old
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ship is practically new in a
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three-year-old computer that's true but
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this is Apple are talking about Apple
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like the wind blow like the wrong
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direction 1d like what better delay the
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mac pro again for other generation 105
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my poor computer is going to make it
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that long and nothing and wait until
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like mid to late 20 17
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I mean I'm get like if I think guess
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like if they're if they're truly waiting
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on Scylla key and they're gonna do an
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update then knowing Intel and also these
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days knowing apple with the mac i'm
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guessing that is not even a spring
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listen I'm guessing that's June
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2016-2017 I'm guessing that's a WBC
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yeah i know i saw that it was like next
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time you everything just apple just
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released with whatever's available now
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and in your GPU so let's dig in
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starting with zakk wylde dowski doing
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what Marco wants with windows as
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possible windows 8 and up supported
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deployment method called windows to go
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I don't care moving on i was ten home
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button behavior this has been less of a
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cluster than I expected so it used to be
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that on iOS 9 you would pick up your
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phone and the screen would not turn on
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and you could press the home button or
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the sleep/wake button which a co-worker
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of mine had no idea was also a wake
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button if he thought it was only a sleep
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button which I thought that was kind of
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anyway you could press either the
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sleep/wake button or the home button to
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on and then naturally if you have touch
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ID particularly on was at the 6th the
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6th at superfast success was ok I'm so
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the success the thing that happened was
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the touch ID was so darn fast that you
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would pick up your phone press the home
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button and touch ID would almost
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instantly authenticate you and you would
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miss all your notifications so when I
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was ten the way apples fix this is when
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you pick up the phone and this is always
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the default settings that is it does
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what I believe they call raised to wake
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and so the screen will come out and show
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your notifications if you press the home
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button then it then it will actually do
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what it used to do which is bringing you
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into the home screen but you could just
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lightly press the home button and get it
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will say the bottom press home to unlock
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and then you can press home again to get
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in your phone it's very wonky i still
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even a month or so in don't particularly
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care for it and I expected the entire
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world to lose their crap about this and
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as it turns out i haven't heard that
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much complaining all told have you guys
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everybody who's machine have upgraded to
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iOS tennis complained about this was
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just includes the three members of my
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family but what do you think about Marco
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I mean I haven't heard that much because
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most of the complaining i heard was
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earlier during the beta period we went
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all the people i know all installed the
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data there may float against most most
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advice so most of the complaining i got
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through back then from around personal
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getting used to it it took me maybe a
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couple days and those fine like i had
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and what I when I first started I
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thought for sure
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oh this is gonna take me a long time to
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get used it's so different on on such a
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common interaction that do constantly
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every day and it just turned out yet was
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a couple days and it's totally fine
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haha i'm jealous because it is still
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taking me awhile to get used to it and
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in fact i was reminded by somebody
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earlier either today or yesterday that
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i'm so it's so ingrained in me to do the
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swipe up to control center and hit the
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bottom right to get the camera from the
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lock screen and it is so much nicer and
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iOS 10 to swipe from right to left but I
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completely forgot that was the thing and
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so I need to also retrain myself on that
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yet again few days so I complained about
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the last show like had just a last ride
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just upgraded to iOS 10 was on the baby
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i forgot anyway that was I was in a side
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that I complaint this is the one thing
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that annoyed me about it and that
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sentenced me and all of us i guess to a
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good solid week of people telling us how
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to fix this which is what this actually
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fall by name is about like it you don't
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like the new behavior and iOS 10 there's
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a setting to change it back to the old
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behavior although interestingly of the
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setting by the way is in under general
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under accessibility and as a thing
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called home button and there's just one
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little switch you can change it back to
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the old behavior but if you switch back
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to the behavior the text on the screen
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still says like pressed on lock which i
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guess is true it will still unlock it
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but you don't have to press it anymore
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that's the point it just makes it the
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yeah that's a little weird but I mean it
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makes sense all there's also a setting
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for raised awake too by the way my phone
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doesn't have raced away can I don't
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quite understand why annoys me a little
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bit it's only on this success was
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alright i don't know that yet a success
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when you know you get added that
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low-power processor to do to listen for
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hey see all the time and I think that
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same process is responsible for
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constantly monitoring the motion to to
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yes i miss out on that but I changed it
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back just because I don't want to have
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to do you like what i consider to be the
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extra press and I also configure all my
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family's devices to be like that after
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they complained and so no you know as
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far as my family concerned nothing has
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changed about this the SC i really want
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to change it back but I'm trying to
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train myself like Marco had succeeded in
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doing in and get myself used to it
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because i really prefer to be to
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tactically deploy my home settings
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tweaks when i get onto a new device that
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that's applicable to the mac and into
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any iOS device so i try to be cool with
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the defaults but sometimes he just can't
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live with it but this one I'm trying to
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get over and I think i will just take me
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longer than I took Marco somebody asked
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the question at least in the show notes
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anyway why not five finger pinch so on
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the ipad i believe it's optional
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certainly use the optional you can
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enable multitasking gestures and so far
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as an example i believe it's a four
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finger swipe will go will swipe you
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between apps which I love and use
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constantly and i also use constantly
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five finger pinch on the ipad which is
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you put all five fingers on the screen
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bring them closer together and that will
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bring you back to the home screen Wi-Fi
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finger pinch on an iPhone because it's
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just not that big man I mean that's what
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I would think that's not what the
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question is about the question was about
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my my last week's complained about how I
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don't like hitting it was all about the
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home but now I don't like hitting the
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home button like actual pressing a
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physical button when I want to go back
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to the home screen because it feels like
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when i'm on my iPad just like no
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touchscreen touchscreen there but this
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one thing that I want to do frequently
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go back to springboard or whatever I
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have to press this physical button and
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especially like the ipad is like resting
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on a pillow or something yeah the home
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button could be like down and the little
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creases of the pillow is just it's not
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as nice as touching everything else so
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the question is why I just use my
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fingers to pinch it gets rid of all that
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you don't touch the home button all your
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interactions with the screen and I love
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five finger pinch but there has always
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been something stopping me from enabling
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it in the beginning was fruit ninja
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obviously because if you want to have
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for dinner on your iPad you wanna let
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your kids play it you cannot enable
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these gestures because the kids will
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forever be going back to the home screen
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when they're trying to slice through
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watermelons or whatever and these days
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uh I have a terrific my Twitter
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application has many gestures you can do
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one of them i think it's like a
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two-finger vertical swipe for something
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to change Twitter accounts and when i do
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the five finger pinch it sends you back
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to springboard but when i go back to
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twitter it's on a different account so
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weird and so I know it's just
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is it just the way that I'm doing the
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gesture am i tripping the two finger
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gesture recognizer before I trip the OS
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wide five finger thing I don't know but
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anyway what it boils down to is I still
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cannot get clear of applications that i
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use everyday that are sort of not nicely
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compatible with five finger pitch which
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is not great because i really got a dick
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to do when i started using it before I
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realized it had to disable because
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essentially my ipad was broken for the
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purposes of small children playing fruit
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ninja and now i really haven't gone back
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to what that means i'm still stuck up
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pressing the home button and what I
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learned from this home button behavior
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change and I understand is that a lot of
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people have ingrained habits for like
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pick up your device and unlock it a lot
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of people are complaining about this
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Jim behavior made the number one tip
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I've seen on Twitter for iOS 10 both
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directed at me and just you know going
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crosswise everyone else's all the
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setting to change it back to the old
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lady do it do it do it but if I had
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raised awake i'm not sure i would change
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it because I would try to pick up the
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new habit which is if you just want to
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see stuff on the lockscreen don't touch
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anything just pick the phone number that
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works consistently that's better you
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know that's better than doing of the
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reason I don't want to do the pressing
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on my phone is it's like it's an extra
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well this is one fewer things you have
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to do just pick up the phone so i don't
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know i don't have a phone that has a
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feature eventually i probably will and I
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might go back and give it a try but even
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probably are you moving to android next
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no just eventually haha but the other
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thing I learned is that lots of people
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have strange habits related to the home
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button one I didn't put this in a note
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so i don't have the URL but you guys
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read this story about the habits related
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to the home button in the Far East
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oh yes where this was talked about
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somewhere I think Ruby brought it up and
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I heard it somewhere else as well
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yeah so this was a apparently the inn in
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the Far East like China Japan you know
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indonesian whole region
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apparently it's very popular for iOS
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devices to enable the assistive touch
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feature which basically puts like the
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equivalent of the home button somewhere
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i think i've been able this way back
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when I have an available that in years
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though but if i give you if you have
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trouble using the home button they will
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put some control but always visible
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controls on top of the screen that will
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do the same thing as the home button and
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this is apparently very popular
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everybody does it and if so if you go if
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you go too far you see people using an
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iOS device you see about the junk on
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I think it's like always on top always
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visible otherwise how would it work and
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so people are moving that stuff out of
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the way like when they want to see
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what's in the corner of the screen but
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this like you is covering it they move
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it out of the way so i can see the other
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stuff like they're from my perspective
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they're making their phone harder to use
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by putting some always visible UI on top
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of the screen that the people making the
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applications don't expect to be if they
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have to manage and move around and
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they're doing this because they think
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that using the home button will break it
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and this is one of those another
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Rose you know it's a superstition based
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on real things because the i think is
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the iphone four home button has in
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reliability problems for 4s and maybe
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five also it seemed to stop for sure
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when the touch ID sensor came in the 5s
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yeah although all iphones forever have
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had you know some degree of failing home
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buttons just because it's a very
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frequently used button and there's some
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failure rate for certain number of
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clicks right but the four is the one I
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remember I was you know it was way
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out-of-bounds for what you'd expect to
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failure rate to be this story I read
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about this home button thing was like
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their angle was that people feel like a
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broken home button hurts the resale
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value so they don't want to ever use the
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home button so that when they sell it
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later to you know you can trade in for
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another owner to sell it to get money to
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buy another phone that it they don't
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won't be hurting its resale value which
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is kind of a mercenary way to think of
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it but it's also kind of like putting
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plastic on your couches and like if no
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one ever uses the home button doesn't
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matter how does it hurt the resale value
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if everybody who will buy and use the
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phone will never use the home button
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because they're all preserving it just
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in case you know the Pope comes one day
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and wants to use the home but it's like
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it's never been used
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know x place or iron or a relative a
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totally a real thing and that was this
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to encourage know potentially millions
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button again is maybe they'll feel like
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well this button doesn't move so won't
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wear out now I don't think that's going
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to work because they have the
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superstition going for years and years
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you know I obviously moving the unicorn
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device and I don't think there are
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particularly bad problems in the post
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touch ID age you know the iphone 4 was
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definitely the bad one and then the
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forest try to improve it but not so
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great and like you said with a five-part
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things I don't know anybody who's ever
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had failed touch ID sensor but i'm sure
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it happens but because it is a physical
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button but anyway I don't know if this
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is going to change things but as people
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on the chat room
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Apple presumably has diagnostic
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information like that little thing
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whether you forgive us opt-in or opt-out
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but you can send Apple diagnostic
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information they must know how many
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people even what regions are using these
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assistive touch features and they'll
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know based on the percentage of the
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population that actually needs those
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features you know because they can use
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the home button it like the numbers much
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scream to them a lot of people are using
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your on their iphones in ways that you
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address that with your next hardware
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model and so that could be one possible
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thing added in support getting rid of
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the button obvious reason together the
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physical buttons just because things
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don't move it's more reliable and it's
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easier to waterproof right but another
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factor could be done by the way maybe we
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can occur to those millions of people
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who refuse to use the home button that
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maybe it's safe to use it again
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are they gonna spend the rest of the
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time sliding always visible palette
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around the screen so they can see their
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yeah I also i still do want to point out
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one thing though that a this won't solve
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the problem because people will still
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keep doing it because of superstition as
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now we'll have way more use so it's also
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full of moving parts just differently
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moving parts and the taptic engine in
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the watched eyes all the time and the
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one in the success seems to be ok so far
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as far as i know i don't think we've
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heard anything about that but I wouldn't
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necessarily rule out that a new tactic
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engine that hit that is going to be used
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way more will somehow fail less than a
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simple button we don't think we know
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that yet maybe Apple knows that from
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their own testing I don't know but I
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think in the real world we have yet to
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see that it stands to reason that
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something that sealed inside is better
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than something that's your monkey
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fingers are touching especially like
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buttons when you press them you open up
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linkedin crumbs and mark and stuff to
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get into its way easier to make a
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internally sealed thing like the I
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remember that the bad vibrating things
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in a watch but those that sounds like an
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early model miniaturization problem i
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also wonder if if the taptic engine
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feels a little bit weaker than normal
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does that you know that people care does
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that hurt the resale value of your of
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your phone I don't know
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anyway this is that like that one
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article i don't know if there's any
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truth behind this but in my own personal
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life I have learned again one messing
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with the the settings for iOS 10 the
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people have weird ways of unlocking
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their devices that you don't learn until
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something changes about you have a
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discussion with it
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my wife presses the sleep/wake button
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and then put your finger on the touch ID
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doesn't make sense to me like why is she
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like this is this pre I was ten right
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that's her that's her pattern picks up
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the last same here front presses touch
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wake and then just touch ID I pick the
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thing up put my thumb and I on the touch
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ID button press it to wake with the
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thing up and just leave my thumb there
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to unlock it right so i'm i'm only going
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to one place and I'm going to the top
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and then to the bottom i'm just going to
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the very bottom LOL okay I can explain
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why I out well for me anyway why that is
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so I'll sleep-wake if I want to just see
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notifications and not instant clear them
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and then if I know that I don't really
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give a crap what notifications i have
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maybe i just looked at my phone 30
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then I'll do what you described John and
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just mash my finger down on that on the
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home button and I'll just power right
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through to the home screen but in the
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case that I'm kid I care about
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notifications and again like you said
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pretty iOS 10 i would use the sleep/wake
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button to just turn the screen on let me
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see what i'm doing and then if I want to
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act on one or perhaps just use my phone
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is then i will put my finger on the home
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button and and unlock it does this habit
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come from the superfast touch ID sensor
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were you doing it before the success
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it's a great question
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I I definitely think it was influenced
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by the superfast touch ID i would say i
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don't remember doing it before the
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success I think I retrain myself after I
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yeah maybe I'll change the 1i have the
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faster sensor on the sex i don't have
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those problems i can if the same thing I
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just wanna like what's on the screen i
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was hit and doesn't go
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that's enough so it's a problem and my
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son refuses to use touch ID he enters
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his code every time people seriously he
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hits the sleep/wake button then he wants
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to iOS 10 people what he wanted to do
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was how do i get to the to the screen
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that has the numbers right so we get to
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sleep wake button and my god for Swiper
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whatever to get to the number thing he
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has an ipad with touch ID doesn't use
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that's crazy to me huh
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I think he feels like the numbers are
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more reliable like they work every time
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and he's not pausing and waiting it's
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kind of you know the way my jeans for
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this like that you should never waiting
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it doesn't wanna be waiting for the
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computer and so putting your finger and
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touching and waiting to see if it
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succeeds and picking up and putting it
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down it's like the the numbers are
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deterministic it's going to take the
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same amount of time every time during
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that time he's always doing something
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like he's not waiting even though if you
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were to stop watching probably faster to
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touch ID you know it just feels like I'm
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busy i'm doing things unlock thing and
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it's probably more reliable for him he
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also has a slightly sensors got an old
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ipad alright let's see what else we got
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here a nick guy who is the next guy on
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Twitter rights in to say this iphone 7
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smart battery cases 2365 milliamp hours
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which is up from 1877 for the iphone 6
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didn't notice it look any bigger like
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maybe it's a little bit thicker i have
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one right here compared to the old one
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just visually it feels about the same
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the only major difference is obviously
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the the headphone jack removal and so
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it's just which of the two like line
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shape girls in the bottle instead of the
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one-line the one dot and the giant
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camera cut out those are the things that
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makes your buttons because of the
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formation giant camera cut out if you
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have a smart battery case from the
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success it will not fit seven it's
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interesting that made the battery case
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bigger on the iphone 7 which also has
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better battery life so more battery for
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well it makes it makes it more
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reasonable of the thing to buy and it
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makes their price little more reasonable
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you know obviously you can get lots of
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Cheaper cases for look for you know all
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this money but to have only like the the
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1900 or whatever it was
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now to have a 2400 like that makes it a
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little bit better because before you
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know that the main complaints about it
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were it's ugly it's ugly it's also
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and also that's not a lot of capacity
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for the price so now you kind of help
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that last one it's still not a great
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bargain like price-wise if you look at
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other battery cases but as I mentioned
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before like we're totally conference in
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this family date they actually work
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really well i think if you're going to
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use a battery case on a regular basis i
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can recommend the apple one so it's nice
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that it has a little bit more capacity
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now and it doesn't feel like noticeably
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heavier I think that you're making for
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the plus it would mean obviously it
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would be really big and really heavy
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yeah but it's interesting you know that
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the the if you want if you want the the
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most battery life in a phone a regular
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6s or seven in the battery case will
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last way longer than a plus by itself i
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know that's why I think the plus needs
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it because I think of the plus as like
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and the new ipad mini right like if you
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put a plus in a battery case that you
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could actually take that in a long car
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trip and like play games on it and not
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kill it like is the plus is supposed to
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be I don't mind the humongous I don't
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mind the extra weight i just want as
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much battery life as possible and
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putting the battery case only on the
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smaller model muddies the water is like
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well you know I can read and regular
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people who are like trying to do the
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math on the milliamp hours something
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which is longer the the gigantic plus or
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the regular 7 with a lump on its back
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and the regular 71 points back wins but
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it's not obvious that excitation make it
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for the plus and they should also have
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that lump go across the entire back i
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can think of lots of reasons why they
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don't make it for the plus I mean chief
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among them is size obviously but also i
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do think there's a lot fewer people who
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need it because the plus does have
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longer battery life when the screen is
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on not by a lot but slightly longer
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better than the screen is on when the
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screen is off it has substantially more
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battery life because you know things
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like it the screen is often it's just
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doing things like playing music over
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bluetooth or something like that it's
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going to use the same amount of power as
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the res like that the small phone that
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are the medium phone at this 4.7 inch
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version the only uses more power when
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the screen is on so it has a battery
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that is sized for the screen to be on
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and to roughly match or slightly exceed
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the power of the smaller phone but if
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most of usage of the phone is with the
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screen off then it can last like fifty
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like it'sit's a huge difference in how
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much better last that way it'll depend
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on your usage whether the battery cases
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even necessary for the plus for most
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people and i think that i think enough
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people would fall into that usage
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pattern of its not released for them
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that it there's a lot less demand for in
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addition to the massive size that it
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would be as that in the resulting device
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with the better case would be will be
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quite ridiculous and there are other
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people who make battery cases for the
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plus and they do look ridiculous
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so I totally get why Apple is not
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yeah i guess i'm thinking like a kid in
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the back of a car was the video games
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for a whole like three-hour car trip and
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there's going to be like burning the
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battery the entire time they love a
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better is that means it's not any bigger
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than like a you know a traditional
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handheld game thing like this that are
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sitting there they were already there
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are to accept the plus like why not why
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not just carry around a 12.5 inch iPad
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pro with you everywhere
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might as well we respond to this week by
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linode go to linda.com / ATP linode is
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because it is just so good i just slowly
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ten dollars a month they have eight data
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ah so some people have noticed that your
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wishes have been granted John and the
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Apple leather case now has metal buttons
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for the iphone 7 that was my wish though
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when i was talking about my by pimply
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iphone 6 leather case that look really
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good right up until maybe three months
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ago and started to get all roughly for
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some reason it was in the discussion of
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the home button like how does it feel to
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press the button that doesn't actually
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move on a small device like this and i
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was saying that I'm I my roughly case
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when i press the volume buttons like
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nothing moves like I'm basically just
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applying pressure to these lumps and
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what I was saying I was like back to
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this got like why why did the volume
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buttons that iphone 7 move it off the
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homeland doesn't want the volume buttons
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know what I was saying is that i think
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it would be okay if on the iphone 7 the
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volume buttons didn't move the
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sleep/wake button didn't move like they
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were just pressure sensitive because
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obviously I'm okay with it on my 67 it
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doesn't bother me
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not only am i okay with myself I can't
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even feel the edges of these bots are
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likely just like the slightly more
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raised pimply area like they're very
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indistinct if they had sharply creased
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cut buttons that just did not move and
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we're pressure-sensitive I think I would
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be okay with that and so an apple was it
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like a few moving parts right everybody
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loves it but instead what they did with
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the Apple other cases for the iphone 7
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is they made it so I don't have to deal
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with these roughly things anymore now
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you've got a nice metal buttons which I
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think they did on the they did on the
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bumper maybe are the head i think the
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bumper had some other kind of Pastor
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thing where there was like a a hard
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physical thing that when you pressed
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with slide down and press the button
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that was underneath rather than coding
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over with leather but anyway I think
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you're right to shoot that is sure to be
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that the new case is obviously an
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sure to feel better it certainly looks
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better to have metal buttons poking out
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of your leather case and I bet those
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won't have the same problem of getting
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gross but I still maintain that even
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more than the home button i think is the
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home button haven't tried it maybe I
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hated right but the volume and power
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buttons i've been using essentially
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non-moving volume and power buttons for
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a long time now and I'm totally fine
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on the other hand in my phone doesn't
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vibrate when i press meters that
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probably helps so if on the fancy 10th
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anniversary iphone 8 or whatever iphone
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7s or they call it if that has
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sleep-wake and volume buttons don't move
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i'm already on board with that home
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button curious too long as I'm driving
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alright are the lightning earpods
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digital and follow-on why do we care
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I can mostly for curiosity I mean the
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automarketer do have an audio reason to
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not really I mean so basically the
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through various like statements ramble
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PR representatives and various things
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confirmed by various people the original
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story that that we had heard and read
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and talked about on the show that Makka
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Torah reported like forever ago that the
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iphone 7 lightning port was going to be
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special and it was going to have a mode
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where it could output analog audio over
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the pins and therefore the the the
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devices put into it like the the new
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lighting headphones and the headphone
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adapter could be really really simple
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that is apparently not the case that
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apparently all waiting for treated the
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same this port is not different from the
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he's not in that way as far as we know
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and it does it end at the the Lightning
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headphones and the lightning to
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headphone adapter for nine dollars are
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both full digital lighting devices that
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include an audio DAC and a little mini
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amp in there a lot of people have asked
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me what I think about this whether it's
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possible whether it's good because it's
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so cheap and the quick answer is you
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know with a disclaimer that i'm not an
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expert in manufacturing little Jack amp
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chips are very plentiful very common and
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very cheap and the one on the phone
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before was already not like a
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fifty-dollar DAC you're anything like me
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know that the parts in a phoner most of
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the most of them are very very cheap
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parts and the little audio codec chip
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that was in there is almost certainly a
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you know not not very expensive part to
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begin with the one that they put in the
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headphone adapter which also need must
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include a sec go in the other direction
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because microphone involved so the but
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the ones the one they put in there is
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probably going to be similar quality
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than the one they have already the phone
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I I don't expect it to be noticeably
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different i'm generally Adak quality
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skeptic a lot of audio people think that
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you have to have a really amazing
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complicated and key factor here
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expensive DAC and / amp or both in order
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to have good audio performance and and
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I'm generally a skeptic on Jackson amps
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it is very very rare that I ever hear
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any difference whatsoever even with very
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good ones vs very crappy ones it is
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extremely rare to hear a difference
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whatsoever and on the headphones that
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almost everybody is using with their
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iphones it would be extremely difficult
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for anybody ever to notice a real
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difference between Jax and apps so that
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being said it is indeed totally possible
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for Apple to to make and sell a whole
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bunch of little crappy adapters for nine
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dollars that include a digital that ship
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in there especially since Apple
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themselves do not need to pay the mfi
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licensing fee for the Lightning chips in
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there so that also helps a lot
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I'd for that reason alone I don't expect
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to see a lot of third party ones that
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are near that price point but we will
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find out I guess so the interesting
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thing to me about this technically is
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someone of the potential promises of
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digital audio is you can convert from
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digital to analog sort of at the last
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right so you don't have to worry about
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transmitting an audio signal over
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potentially long wire very thin wire
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probably doesn't have you know that not
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particularly sturdy wire they could
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potentially fray or you know I good
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everyone's had headphones or one year
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starts cutting out or like the wire
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starts to fray or or if you have like a
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plug thing you plug things into your car
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with write those wires coming out
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because they're not super heavy duty and
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if what you're transmitting over there
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is analog audio as you're wearing down
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that wire or something bad is happening
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to his passing close to something that's
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magnetic or whatever it can mess with
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your signal and start to sound more so
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this is theoretical right but it could
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happen and so I go we'll send digital
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digital robust we got to do is be able
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to distinguish between a1 and a0 it's
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much easier than maintaining the fine
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details of frequency and amplitude of an
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analog signal and then just the last
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second before it goes into ears will
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convert that with our tiny little decks
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into an analog signal did we say that is
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digital-to-analog converter get enough
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people know that but that's what we're
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saying we're saying all caps the AC
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right in and so you have to understand
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that in order to hear audio you need to
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go from ones and zeros into a wave in
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into something that that a speaker can
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play and so the debate is is the
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conversion from digital to analog by a
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digital-to-analog converter DAC or DAC
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does that happen in the phone does that
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happen after leaves the phone so with
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what's coming out of the phone through
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the Lightning port is just ones and
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zeros and then eventually gets converted
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that's that's the crux of the
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conversation right and and there's lots
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of different ways to do that it is not
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actually a simple problem electrically
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to solve two to convert those 10 is to
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the corresponding waves the main reality
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of it though is that even though there's
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lots of fancy Dax that can that can do
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like a more accurate job that can
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measure better on on like you know
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official scientific measurement
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machinery the crappy cheap like two
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dollar back and chips all-in-one do a
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good enough job that most people can't
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hear the difference and you'll find that
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Marco prefers digital analog converters
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that have tubes in them because it gives
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that nice warm rich sound that you don't
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actually I hate tubes their giant pain
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in the butt they pick up static they
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they burn out there asymmetric sometimes
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that they're cheap to suck i'm all
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solid-state over here just messing with
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you and I continued job so the nine
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dollar adapter now that we that we have
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learned basically conclusively that has
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a little digital analog converter
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indicted but what's being said that
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lighting farts digital raises the
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question where is the deck in the wire
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to your pods that come
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it could be that the DAC is in the
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Lightning connector and it's still
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analog audio across the wire to the wire
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headphones so it only gets like oh yes
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seven millimeters out of the phone
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before its converted by the not the back
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in the phone but by what is presumably
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and even cheaper DAC that's like seven
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millimeters away and then it just sends
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out you know or they could also be in
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the earphones I don't know where it is
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like we I really want i fix it slices
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open to see what that goes inside them
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but it would be kind of weird to to
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bundle the thing with like you know
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quote-unquote digital ear pods that
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merely move the DAC slightly outside the
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oh yeah no that'sthat's all marketing BS
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of course it is very very likely that
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the DAC is in the Lightning connector
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yeah that is extremely likely be you
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know just based on the way other
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lightning peripherals are built that is
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that is very likely the case the fact is
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this isn't really solving a real problem
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just like fancied I fancied acts and
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fancy answer portable headphones I don't
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need more amps than what the phone can
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provide like this is solving fake
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problem-solving you know placebo
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problems for most people you know that
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the fact is you're not going to pick up
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a meaningful amount of analog noise that
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will be audible in your headphones from
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the six feet of cable at best that are
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running from the phone to your crappy
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earpods his which is way more likely
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that any flaws in your sound will be
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masked by how crappy those drivers then
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then being audible Bayou the practical
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reality of it would only be in the
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failure modes for people who are like
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there-there pets are chewing on their
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wires are they get caught in card or
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whatever any other sort of cable abuse
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the failure mode for analog is like
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staticky or whatever and I the failure
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mode for digital sounds different
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essentially like yeah let's say that it
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anything that would cause noticeable
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degradation of sound in the analog from
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cable damage would destroy the digital
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signal also because you're talking like
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you know shorts and phrase and
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everything there's no way but it sounds
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it's a difference between static which
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we all know from our childhood and the
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manufacturer static that comes over with
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mpeg-2 compression with the I'm not
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picked up and says you know when you
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turn them on they have this steak and
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egg of static but static is like the
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worst-case scenario for video
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compression algorithm say look stupid
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but anyway yeah like I can imagine the
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failure modes sounding different one
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possible way they sound different
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he's like oh if if the thing is damaged
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enough the digital can't get through you
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hear nothing or it cuts out or whatever
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but I don't even know that to be the
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case but I do know that they would sound
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different because analog has a different
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sort of degradation you know anyway all
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that just means you should get your
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gonna set of headphones because if your
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water is damaged or wires damage it
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doesn't really make a difference but
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academically it's interesting to think
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about this whole because i was one of
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things that all the digital audio it
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didn't really push not too much but like
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the digital audio is better than analog
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audio and really like Marco said it
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doesn't matter at all for these tiny let
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your pods because the sound quality is
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so bad relatively speaking that all
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these other things are ridiculous and
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don't make a big difference but it
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doesn't matter from Apple's parts
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perspective if they could have like I
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mean I'm sure they could have I'm
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interested in why they chose to go with
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tiny little Dax instead of repurposing
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the pins or maybe really wasn't possible
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i don't know but like certainly if
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you're going to pinch pennies you can
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make an even cheaper connector without
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little chips in it right they could have
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gone that route but they didn't commit
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you know maybe they don't maybe just
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they they've used up all their pins and
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resistor combinations on lightning and
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didn't have the ability to repurpose it
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in that way or maybe they really are all
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on board with a digital thing and they
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just want to say no this its digital
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from now on and even if its digital only
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until it gets a couple millimeters
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outside the phone
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that's fine yeah I mean it's probably a
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combination of you know just not having
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anything modified about the phone having
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it be compatible with any lightning
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output on any model phone so if you plug
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it into you know also an ipad or maybe
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down the road of Max have lightning port
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that would be kind of cool you know and
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compatibility in that way and also i
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think the chip is just so cheap that it
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doesn't really matter like i really
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don't think the difference between like
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the basic job that all lightning
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peripherals have to do to connect to
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lightning the like there's already a
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deck amp is really not that big about
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connector is more than the cost of the
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Apple's respected in terms of like what
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them for fractions of a cent each but to
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manufacture lightning connector to the
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tolerance is required for those little
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contacts on it that's probably the most
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expensive part of that entire you know
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$9 connect their from a perspective
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yeah fair enough let's talk about those
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air pods which are the wire free version
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of the Lightning year pods we were just
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discussing they have wire they just move
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it now you have a wire to charge up the
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case that the beer pong plug into so you
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have this intermediary object that's
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required for you that has a wire it's
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not a wire it's a whole well okay but
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there's going to be a wire involved to
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that that's the magic flute with it just
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it just moves the wires around what do
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you park your car parking my car whole
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Wow alright so regardless of whether or
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not their wireless captain pedantic the
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question at hand at the moment is do
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they or do they not have start stop and
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skip controls from what I've understood
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they do sort of so if you take if you
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have both air pods in your ears and take
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one of them out by default it will pause
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whatever you're listening to unless it's
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a telephone call I presume and and you
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can choose to restart that via your
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phone or watch or serious pose in and
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then if you restart it with both
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headphones out of your I'm sorry with
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one hand airport out of your ear then it
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would convert to mono or alternatively
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if you say are trying to listen to
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someone who's talking to you pop one out
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and then pop it back in then it will
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automatically start playing again but
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skipping and volume control all of that
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is done either via Siri or via the phone
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or watch as far as I understood is that
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what you guys had as well
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yeah the presentation they didn't all
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they showed with the but was exactly
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what you described in the presentation
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and I was hoping in the hands-on area
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that I would get more details and when I
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did they basically i go to a case he
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said that like that what i'm looking for
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is not there that you can do everything
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you said and you can talk to Siri and
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that's it i'm looking forward to hearing
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stories about people who are on a bus
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full of other airports users and hear
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everybody say Casey skip forward a sick
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skip forward a sec wait to get back yeah
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is that this is what's making like the
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air pods i totally want to try them this
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is like that's what I've been talking
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about with the wireless thing i would
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love that and yet i don't i can't get
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excited about them if I don't have the
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ability to pause and change volume I
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don't care about skip forward and get
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back all i care about his paws and
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change volume pausing by taking the ear
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talk about a way to lose your bonds
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don't do it like I'm not thats i'm not
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going to do that right it being able to
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tap you can attack you can tap the pause
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can you or can you not even do that I
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think there's something like that yeah
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Dino I did I thought it was strictly
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taking one out in order to pause yeah
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that is not like I don't know again none
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of us have them so we can't tell but
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it's like it's tapped to talk to
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seriously I don't want to talk to Siri I
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i just want to pause playback and
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changing volume it happens if you're
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walking around like you happen to come
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to annoy section we're closer to a road
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you need to go up one notch on the
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volume I don't want to talk to Siri to
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do that it's like having two it's like
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having to have a conversation with
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somebody to try to like pick a forkful
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food up into your mouth like it's like
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just let me do it it's one little click
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on the little thingy
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I don't add tension the volume of Siri
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is the worst use of speech anyway the
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point is these things have
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accelerometers in them and I desperately
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hope that a future software update
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enables more useful functionality and
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their pods if what we're all saying that
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we think the way things work is this is
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the truth because not being able to
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positive change volume means I i just
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want by these like I i already know
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before buying them at all that I'm not
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going to talk to Siri to do either one
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of those functions ever well but why
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couldn't you reach into your pocket and
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use the physical buttons on your phone i
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mean if you could easily discover where
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they are and hit them
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I can't go back to that are you kidding
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sometimes all you know it's about that
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in my back pocket someone know like the
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little out i will prefer to use the wire
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thing with little Claire like this it's
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no I so it's really depressing me
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because it's not like it was like well
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how could they do it they have a way to
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they have a thing that you can tap but
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tapping and by all means make this
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default tab for series the default but
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then have a setting somewhere like the
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iOS at home but this is actually what
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tap does pauses and then for volume up
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and down enough to tap street i'm going
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to tap little thing in my ear however
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many times you want
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obviously has been tapping it but play
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pause in volume pls a place there's Cena
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in all my searches and tests of good
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bluetooth headphones is it is pretty
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much impossible to find any that have
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good controls for playback and stuff
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there they exist but there's very few
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because the main thing is in order to
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have like good reachable you know usable
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reliable controls for seeking and volume
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and everything else you really physical
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buttons like you need real physical
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buttons in some kind of logical
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arrangement you can feel on the
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headphone when you're walking so that
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you can just like hit and and not even
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you know not have to think about it and
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not miss not have to have a weird touch
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gesture or anything weird like that and
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most have my manufacturers don't do this
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because I i guess more parts to have
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buttons but also I think one of the main
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reasons that just makes it uglier and
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manufacturers are all doing these weird
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like overly clever overly designed
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things with like touch gestures and
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various like tap commands and everything
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but by far the best headphones i have to
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walk with and listen to podcasts on are
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these ugly really crappy sounding
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sennheiser PX 210 bt's that are now
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discontinued but the new the sennheiser
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MM 400 and 450 are very similar
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they have these just nice big buttons on
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the earcup and it's great i use those
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every day when I'm walking listen to
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podcast because it is so nice to just be
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able to reach up and feel the buttons
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and just hit the one and have it work
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everytime always hit the right one it is
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so so nice and the advantage of
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bluetooth is that you can do that if you
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have wired headphones there is no
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protocol that that Apple defines 4y
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headphone makers for them to like have
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buttons to do anything else besides a
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single click thing but bluetooth
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headphones have that spec built-in like
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a bluetooth headphone can do that but it
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requires some kind of large control and
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usually ugly big buttons refer to be any
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good on their pods there isn't room for
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that and even if there was room for that
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there is no way Apple to Apple released
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on with no headphone jack and no buttons
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on it and then have an heir have
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airports this giant wall buttons on them
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no way so I'm being told via the chat
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that you can in settings turn off
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Cirie and turn on double tap to pause
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tipsters very adamant about that setting
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is there so that's nice to know that
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puts me back on the fence about buying
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them that solves one of the reasons that
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you might want to write is that volume
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is still out there but play/pause that
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goes fifty percent of the way there
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because I I need to be able to do that
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and I don't quit maybe I just having
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marine of articles about her maybe not
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enough people have their products yet
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know people have them that they're
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separating the amount to a separate
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review or perhaps I guess i have read
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those yet but anyway i'm happy to hear
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that i'm back on schedule to potentially
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volume i'm not quite sure how they
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didn't put that two taps a triple tap
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Bob I don't quite know i'm not sure if i
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can give that up I'm gonna have to start
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keeping track of how often I raise the
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volume i have the little clicker online
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my bose headphones for plane flights to
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and I'm also glad that I have that
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clicker because my phone is like in my
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pocket or like somewhere tucked away
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like I can't really get to it easily and
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frequently i pause it and put the volume
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up and volume down over the course of
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the whole flight
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those seem like basic functions to me I
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would wear parts on on a plane anyway
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because i don't have that noise
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cancelling but yeah it's it's a problem
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to be solved for sure I don't want to
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wire dangling from it and like Marco
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said I don't want buttons they're not
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going to put buttons on it
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sure you don't want buttons on it cause
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how would you find them on these little
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tiny earpods i can imagine maybe
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squeezing little lens like they were
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I mean trust me like you you don't want
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them to come up with clever gestures
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because they won't work on things that
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are that small they're not going to work
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reliably it's not gesture it would be a
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physical button like a physical squeeze
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a little you know like they're squishy
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ends of a little squishy enzyme you know
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rubber little rubberized things anyway
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maybe that could be stopped and then tap
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well what was the other one but then
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what happens when you're in mono because
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one of the benefits to my mind of the
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air pods is that they will gracefully
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switch to mono if you so desire and so
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then how do you which which end you
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squeezing the you squeezing the top end
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of the headphone of the the mono yo
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earpiece to go up in the bottom two go
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down like that's never going to work the
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right answer this unfortunately for you
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to is just use your darn watch but since
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neither of you believe in the Apple
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watch then that that doesn't really help
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us commerce and then the phone
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actually now I would rather do the phone
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to be honest with you even though I do
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love my Apple watch it would be easier
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to do it on the phone if i could just
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turn the crown to do volume up and down
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well actually I suppose my watch is
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actually low power mode for the first
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time possibly ever but i'm in any case
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if you left up the now playing glance
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app thing I think you would be able to
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just raise your wrist and in fumble with
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the crown but I I'm not a hundred
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percent sure about that
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I don't either way I mean to be honest
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it to me the easiest answer is to just
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use the volume buttons on your phone i
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agree with you that it is kind of weird
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not to have any ability to change the
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volume on the device itself since we've
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all been programmed to be used to being
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able to reach to approximately arch in
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and grab the little you know Bubba see
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part of the cord and do it there but I
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am NOT as bothered / offended by this is
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you seem to be there was a lot of
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contention both online and amongst like
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personal friends of mine
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oh this is ridiculous apple is making a
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new standard and using their own
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proprietary junk blah blah blah why does
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Apple hate everyone was happily Apple
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hate open blah blah blah so the air pods
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do use regular old bluetooth just like
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everything else now they do sprinkle of
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fair helping of special sauce on top and
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hopefully Marco you can fill in a little
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bit about the Codex that they're using
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because some of my neck beard audiophile
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friends are very perturbed with some of
[TS]
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the codec related things but really the
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thing yeah the thing i wanted that that
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I want to make clear which I don't think
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we were very clear on last episode is
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that their pods do use bluetooth friend
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i'm actually now quoting the really good
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goal about why Apple kill the air the
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headphone jack earpods use bluetooth for
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their connection bluetooth headphones
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have historically suffered from a conga
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line of connectivity problems honors
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pairing dropped connections crappy sound
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apples confident solve that the mall
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with that w one chip quote as you can
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imagine by developing our own Bluetooth
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chip and controlling both ends the
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pairing process there's a lot of magic
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we can do quote somebody named turnus
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says quote we use a bluetooth connection
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recovered in a lot of secret sauce and
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if you haven't read that article it's
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not terribly long and very very worth it
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so it is regular bluetooth and
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apparently there's a little button on
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the back of the case of little pillbox
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that you can either press and hold down
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in order to prepare the air pods with
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any traditional bluetooth device
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yeah that was totally not clear from the
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talk from the presentation because the
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word bluetooth I my from my recollection
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was not even spoken during the
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presentation all they said is wow we
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wireless things and we have another one
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of those chips that's like a letter in a
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number w 1 and so it for all the world
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seemed like Apple was like look
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bluetooth sucks we have a better
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solution here it is uses w1 chips but
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very quickly after the that we learned
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actually that you want to just a
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Bluetooth chip but there is some extra
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stuff that Apple is doing to smooth over
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the parts of Bluetooth that don't work
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but it's nice that as you said that
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special sauce or whatever it is like
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other some other protocol that they used
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to negotiate and sink in handshake with
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their own devices all that just goes
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away if you take the air pods and use
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them with other devices they're just
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plain old bluetooth audio headphones you
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using bluetooth so if they have managed
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ah ok so i have a handful of super
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neckbeard audio nerd friends and they
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were really ticked off that the
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headphone jack was going away and that
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bluetooth was the new thing mostly
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because they felt like they were going
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to have to either have a lossy encoding
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of their source material or
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alternatively rien code even if their
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source material was lost in the first
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so to back up a half step mp3's most a
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season-high recall correctly and jump in
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whenever you're ready if I if I start
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going off the rails here are our lawsuit
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which is to say they know what a human
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ear should be capable of hearing and if
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there's information that's outside the
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range of what a human ear should be able
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to hear i'll just drop it on the ground
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and just not save it not included in
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these mp3's in this AC files etc because
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in theory there's no point to having it
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you can't hear it anyway now super nerds
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when so as an example if I were to
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download a Dave Matthews Band concert i
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know that you could do this with fish as
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well they'll often try to save these
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files is flac which I forget what that
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stands for maybe you know Marie lossless
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audio codec i believe they go
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that sounds perfect in the end you can
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guess where this is going black means
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there is no loss the everything that the
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microphone or whatever mechanism that
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captured the audio could hear it gets
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saved the whole way through
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so these neckbeards these audio
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neckbeards were complaining all either
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my flax or whatever the source maybe are
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going to have to be lossy encoded and
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that's BS now losing things or if i
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start with let's say mp3 most bluetooth
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headsets don't support mp3 so then it
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gets reincarnated to something else like
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aec or what is it that's super popular
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app tax which is a terrible name then
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it's going to get really coated no
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matter what is just lost all the way
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down this is horrible and then tables
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are flipped and everyone gets angry so
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how much this is a regular person let's
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leave aside audio files for a second how
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much this is a regular person should I
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care about because i'm assuming the
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answer is zero because it's about how
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much I care right now so not only should
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you care is zero but they should care 0
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as well and here's a bluetooth
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Additional Protocol and digital audio is
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kind of large it takes a lot of bits per
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efficiency of bluetooth and save battery
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because the more we transmit more
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battery you need and and to make it you
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know less Skippy because you know you
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want to be maxing out to Paul possible
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bandwidth you want as little as possible
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maximize reliability of the connection
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there's always different codecs that you
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can use to either lawfully or unlawfully
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compress the the audio going between
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your you're transmitting phone or
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whatever and your bluetooth headset so
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that way you can save them with an and
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have a more reliable connection better
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battery life lost lossless compression
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really does max out at roughly fifty
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percent they just bye-bye math like it's
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nearly impossible to have an average
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compression ratio that's substantially
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different than approximately 21 with lot
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with lossless compression lossy
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compression can go ten-to-one easily and
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and some of the more advanced ones even
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better so your friends are all upset
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because the idea of lawfully compressing
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audio is is horrendous to a lot of audio
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files in reality it is very very hard
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for most people to tell the difference
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even extremely well-trained people who
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know exactly what kind of artifacts to
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listen for have a very hard time often
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detecting the difference between well
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encoded mp3 or AAC file and and the
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uncompressed version or the losses are
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these losses the compressed version so
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the question of whether lossless
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compression is even necessary and
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detectable at all is certainly up for
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I i personally more towards the fact
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that lossless is a waste of space for
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almost everything and and that you know
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it's not really necessary and that most
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look at the difference anyway in the
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realm of phone audio and Bluetooth
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people blamed bluetooth headphones for
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sounding like crap on these codecs that
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they used to compress audio and it is
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generally true that the old a2dp
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standard did indeed have crappy audio
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quality because it was such a primitive
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standard so long ago that it had to have
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very simple electronics on both sides
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that one did kind of suck but since then
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we've had a few advances the apt xcode
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that you mentioned is a big one that it
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sounded concerned very good problem with
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apt x is that for these codecs to be
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supportive for playback both the phone
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and the headphones have to support them
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and there are a lot of decently high-end
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and mid-range headphones support apt x
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these days but the iphone as far as i
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know to the best of my knowledge the
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iphone doesn't support it
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there's licensing fees and patents and
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everything involved
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as far as i know last time I checked it
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didn't support it and that wasn't that
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long ago i'm guessing no i phone
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supports apt x Apple does have a license
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to use AC AC is lossy you mentioned
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earlier might be lossless know you're
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thinking of various AC containers like
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m4a that can also contain lossless audio
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like the apple lossless audio codec a
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lack oh yes that is what I'm thinking of
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yeah yeah pure AC is indeed lossy but
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it's a pretty codec it's similar in
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general like genre 2.mp3 it's it's
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slightly newer it has some advancements
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here and there so AC is a decent codec
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and the fact is that as i mentioned
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earlier about the about the DAC samsung
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phones the vast majority of bluetooth
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headphones that sound like crap sound
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like crap because of their crappy driver
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design and cheap components it's not
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because they really need a 0 higher
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fidelity being transmitted to them from
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the phone or through the codec like
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that's not the problem that heat you can
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sound way better
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even with the most basic mp3 or the most
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basic AAC encoding if you just have
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better headphones to begin with and the
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reason why your friends don't even need
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to care about this is because if they're
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truly concerned about all this crap
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anyway they probably use external Dax
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and apps on their phones which means
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that the phone not having a headphone
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jack doesn't affect them at all because
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they were already using the Lightning
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port to have USB DAC synapse you know
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that's not the case in this particular
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context i mean i agree with you but
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these particular friends of mine who in
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in there they're smart guys and I really
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do enjoy their their company but they
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are using stretch to just traditional
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headphone jacks on traditional phones
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that will then in that in that case then
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then the the adapter that the Lightning
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to fund aptor should probably be totally
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fine because then you avoid this problem
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entirely like it's not your not being
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forced to use bluetooth with the new
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you're just being forced to use the
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Lightning port or bluetooth and again
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most high-end audio files are really
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picky audio files have already been
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using USB and portable daxon amps in the
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inland port for years now
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just the ones that were using the
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headphone jack have to use a little nine
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dollar adapter that is probably using
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you think the same quality deck and amp
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that was inside the fun to begin with
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yeah so for the AC transmission can it
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doesn't take an AC song and just
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transmitted as is or does it have to
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double encoded have to take an AC and
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then encode that as AC and then send it
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like is it downgrading it like I've got
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256 kill bed AC and then it's got a rien
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coded as 96 to send it over Bluetooth it
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so it is certainly possible for the for
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the software stack in involved there to
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detect whether something is AC and and
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is within all that all the right
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parameters to be compatible
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parameters to be compatible
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and you just send it with every
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compression that is possible but given
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the design of the various AV foundation
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frameworks and core audio and everything
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I think it's pretty unlikely it was
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happening it's possible because I said
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but I think it's unlikely
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so you don't think you could hear the
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difference between it if you have a
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double encoded AC because I grant that
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most people can hear the difference of a
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single AC if it's a reasonable great but
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if you had a 128 and then reincarnated
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it again and 96 a double encoded you
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think you can hear any artifacts on that
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if it's a lower bitrate and if it's
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especially if it's as low as 96 then you
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probably hear that but if it's like 128
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160 192like in that range especially the
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higher end of that if it's like 160 I
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don't think you'd hear it but like if
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you double 160 double-double 120 like
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take a 120 and re-encoded again as 120
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like you're getting you're getting a
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loss every time right so well not
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necessarily I mean the this so there are
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certain though they're all small there
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are small errors introduced in the in
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the decoding and encoding but the way
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most of these most these codecs work is
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by discarding frequencies that they
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don't think you'll hear or reducing
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precision and things you don't that they
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don't think you'll hear if the input
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audio is already lacking those
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frequencies or those details
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you might not actually hear it very much
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to have liked it it wouldn't it's not
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gonna be like generational awesome
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except tape like you it's it's going to
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be different errors and different
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Precision's but I bet it will be a lot
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less noticeable than you think and I've
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never done that experiment put a i'm
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assuming that if you're just to run this
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on a loop it would be like generation
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lost just a question of what's the slope
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of the line is it get crappy after five
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reading codes are just take like a
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hundred and five well sherry and and you
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hear the answer is too so it's like it's
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not it's very unlikely again it's very
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unlikely to be noticeable on even really
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good headphones and might not be
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noticeable let alone the headphones most
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people are using to listen through
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I mean that the realm of bluetooth
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headphones is terrible
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there are very few that even have like
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moderately good audio quality and that's
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not because the Codex it
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because of the crappy transfers so I I
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wouldn't hold your breath on on this
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being like the answer to really anything
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it and what we're already at AAC
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apparently that's good enough for the
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vast majority of users here
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most people are not going to notice any
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difference that is actually attributable
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to the codec itself already possible
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transmission recoding it might be taking
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place i would hope that one of apple's
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advantages maybe not the w1aw three or
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whatever that once the like the minimum
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bandwidth requirement goes up a little
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bit would be to go and and take your
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mastered for itunes 246 kilobit a season
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just send them exactly as is to your
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headphones like you know that they have
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anybody could pull it off it's them
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because they were literally control
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every piece of hardware and software in
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that chain and even though it may be
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simpler just so just eww just university
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in code everything and it will be fine
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being able to do that is something like
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it out in a presentation and whether or
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not you know they've been relocated
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apparently there's a jobs related story
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about the air pod design philosophy
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Steve Jobs not jobs related job style i
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the earpods was if Steve Jobs had given
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that presentation with one thing you
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products is to say something especially
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anecdote about the process of designing
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keynote but subsequently about the the
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flat panel I'm acting on those on time
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magazine cover the leaked a little
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semicircle base and then the screen and
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talking about you
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anyway the earpods the obvious story to
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me is I you know if you can like make up
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the design things like we're gonna have
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that's the premise right there's not
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going to be wires on them at all there's
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be the same shape that we figured out
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snails or little turds or acorn some of
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of them but you can imagine if you start
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shape they're not going to be that big
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grab and taking it out and I can imagine
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slides of other competitors think they
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look like snails and say but we decided
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not to do that you know we thought about
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intransitive designs but in the end we
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earpods that we know and love slip and
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make a cylindrical battery yes they did
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cylinder is the shape of your
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you won't lose them when they're awkward
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shape than if they were actually shaped
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like little snails you know like the
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fact that it's like longer has this
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protrusion coming from it even though it
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might look a little bit more awkward
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it's just a generally better design but
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like if you look at them they look for
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all the world like someone took you know
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the regular wire
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apple earpods and just cut the wires off
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of the monument already people are
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selling wires that you can attach them
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so you don't lose them which is really
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although i don't understand why the
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like someone selling a sort of clip on
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wire that you attach to your ear pods to
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keep you from losing them but it clips
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on like a little cuff like the clips
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onto they like there's little metal
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things on the bottom right they should
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be magnetic a little case has little
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magnificent rights you should make that
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right in the face maybe they can't sell
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those little tiny whatever they are
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those rare earth magnet things that kids
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swallow and they go in their intestines
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and that the you know anyway
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well they also don't want to cover the
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mics because i thought the microphones
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with a very very bottom of the little I
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don't know protrusion yeah you'd have to
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make it like hollow or do something that
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would be anyway that if Apple made these
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things which is ridiculous thing about
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ever do that but anyway that was not
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discussed like and in the presentation
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about how they arrived at the design
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that is essentially exactly like the air
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possible with the wires cut off but i
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think that's really like not obvious if
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you if you'd asked me what shape with
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the Apple things be like I would have
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lots of ideas but I wouldn't occur to me
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to just take the existing one then cut
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advantages in particular I think having
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grab it by the hand and obvious place to
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grab it so you're not grabbing a little
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stale it's in your ear you're grabbing a
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stick right that that seems like a big
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window and then of course the place to
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put the battery is probably easier to
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hide a battery and a little stick that
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snail shell to which the battery
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well that does make sense especially
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since oh yeah look at what we've done
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it's so perfect now we're just going to
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make it perfect for goodness alright so
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let's a round out by talking about the
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ice iphone 7 plus cameras and there's
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been a plethora of debate over what they
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can and cannot do and mutual friend of
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Matthew panzeri know who is
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editor-in-chief of TechCrunch wrote a
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really fantastic review of the iphone
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the iphone 7 and you knew it was going
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to be good when it starts as follows
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this is the very opening
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my kid farts a lot farting and eating is
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pretty much all he does and that's
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because he's four weeks old but anyway
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any iphone review that starts with a
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story about flatulence is good with me
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bit more about the iphone 7 camera and
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so he says every time you take a picture
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with the iphone 7 plus both the wide
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angle and telephoto fire off
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yes to 12 megapixel cameras for every
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shot this could be a prime driver behind
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the increase in iphone 7 plus his memory
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2 3 gigabytes both images are needed due
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to an apple technique it's calling
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fusion internal diffusion takes data
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from both sensors merging them into the
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best possible picture for any condition
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if for instance there's a light seen
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that has some dark areas image
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processing chip could choose to pick up
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some image data pixels or other stuff
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like luminance from the brighter one
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point f 1.8 wide angle and mix it in
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with the data from the f 2.8 telephoto
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creating a composite accomp can't
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it's compass aight yeah that's it it's
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it's actually pronounced bozell on the
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fly without any input from the user
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this is this was debated a lot over the
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last week do both cameras fire and you
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get data from both cameras when you take
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a picture and according to Matthew
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pantry know who I trust the answers
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unequivocally yes both of them fire
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yeah i saw there's actually a developer
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document somewhere along the way we're
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basically at the API level you can
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specify like if you need certain
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low-level access things like raw
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controls and things like that then you
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but the default mode appears to really
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be this kind of mishmash that uses both
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and tries to be intelligent about it so
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that's cool I I worry a little bit about
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if there's gonna be any kind of
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artifacts from that but i assume Apple
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thought of that and worked around that
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in software so we'll see that's pretty
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the the other thing that we need to
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cover with the camera which is kind of
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big which is kind of related to this is
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that the the what they're calling a
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telephoto lens is not as good a few
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pretty critical ways you might not want
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the the date from necessarily i guess
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depends on how to have a combining it
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getting the plus or not so it basically
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only f 2.8 compared to f 1.8 of the of
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the wide lens and that results in a lot
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less light coming in and therefore in in
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low-light you're gonna have a lot more
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noise coming from that sensor because
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gonna have to crank up sensitivity to
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make up for the lack of light coming in
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the other problem is i can relate to
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that which is that the the telephoto
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lens does not have image stabilization
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between what the six plus and 6s plus
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have had over the 6 and 6s camera
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always had optical stabilization on the
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main cameras and the minuses I guess
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have not until the seven and so you can
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see in there in the reviews that
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compared like the 6s to the 666 plus
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camera you can usually see in their
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low-light photos a pretty noticeable
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difference because the image stabilizer
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allows the camera to have a longer
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shutter speed as long as nobody's moving
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had to have a longer shutter speed
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without the shake of your hands getting
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in the way in making it blurry and so in
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low-light longer shutter speed means
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again lower sensitivity needed no less
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less boosting of the signal on this on
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the sensor and therefore less noise in
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the picture so the fact that the
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telephoto does not have stabilization
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will generally mean that you know in in
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any kind of moderate to low light
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basically indoors the pictures from the
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telephoto camera are going to be
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noticeably noisier than the ones from
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the wide camera and additionally because
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because of that f 2.8 is gonna make it
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so basically the the telephoto camera is
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going to be mostly an outdoor camera it
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you can use it inside but it won't be
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the second camera and also people on
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reddit analyze the the EXIF data from
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some of the Sports Illustrated sample
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pictures and they seem to conclude that
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the telephoto sensor is also smaller but
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there's some various conflicting reports
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about this ruling Apple PR statement
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so the sensor might be smaller if the
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sensor smaller that also means generally
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speaking usually more noise because the
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pixels are smaller and collect less
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light so again more amplification
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necessary anyway so all this you know
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there's lots of good reasons why this
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might be the case space considerations
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ate a longer lens involves differently
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shaped objects that are probably deeper
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and and like you know the these are I
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mean these aren't like you know
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thousand-dollar cameras in here they're
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probably like 40 or 50 all cameras and
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that adds up to the bill of materials
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these things like they're already adding
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a second one to add a second one that's
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even more expensive and even larger and
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even more mechanically complicated would
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probably have a noticeable effect on
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their costs on their margins they
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probably don't want so it's probably I'm
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guessing cost is the secondary reason
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and that physical constraints are the
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gonna do the regular size seven this
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giant here's the thing about apple and
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which is not typical for Apple usually
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question and tell a different person a
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is not a single person so it could just
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be two different people like anyway it
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seems like this store was not exactly
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straight on the sensors i have heard
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that Apple is very adamant that they are
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exactly the same sensor alright well
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whatever the case they still have the
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optical disadvantages where it's a much
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smaller aperture and and the lack of
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image stabilization the image
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stabilization is the obvious when you
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can you can that one like Apple confirms
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obviously you can look at it and apples
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little pictures for the fusion thing
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last show we're talking about whether
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the zooming was using was blending the
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two picture now it turns out like
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everything is blended into it don't
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forget about the zooming just in
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normal operation everything's blending
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like and like i said i will put the link
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you know documentation for using the
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camera infuse mode now you lose all this
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control or whatever and what's
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these one of the first things i would do
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take a bunch of pictures and this is a
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tragedy like that just like that color
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taker or something right something that
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they hinted at in the thing I go this
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whatever their image processor with
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billions of calculations and every
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single you know whatever yeah because
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that's it is doing a fairly complicated
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task of what I assume is trying to see
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if there is anything worthwhile to
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combine from you know the potentially
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blurrier differently zoomed-in image
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from the other camera to you know to put
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together to make a bigger better picture
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and so that algorithm has to be smart
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enough to like not make your pictures
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worse if it still happens that it's just
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below the light threshold of the the
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good camera you know for the is the wide
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angle camera can get enough light but
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the zoomed in one is all like nosy and
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gross i hope it will be smart enough not
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to make your what would be a perfectly
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good one camera picture worse by trying
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same thing if I cover-up might one of
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the cameras with my finger I would hope
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it would be smart enough to say oh well
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there's no useful data and the other
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thing so don't combine and have it looks
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like the same i guess if you're a
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developer and you have control with
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these api to say i want to use this
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camera alone for this camera or do the
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fusion that would be funded to like you
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know do a series of three pictures with
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your finger over the thing obviously the
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picture of the just your fingers going
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to be all just you know black or pink or
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whatever color happens to be depending
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on lighting conditions of the no shining
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through your translucent skin and then
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the other one would be clear and in the
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fusion picture would it be the same as
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the single-camera picture that had a
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clear shot or would it be like worse i
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don't know anyway this is all going on
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behind the scenes it's all supposed to
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be entirely transparent i understand why
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apple doesn't care to explain technical
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details it just works it just works and
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that's great but i am very curious about
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exactly what they're doing under the
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covers and if like you said targeted is
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it going to make your pictures better
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than a noticeable way or will you just
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never know that it's happening and
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you'll have to trust that things would
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be worse if it wasn't combining all
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these pixels so Ben McCarthy
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has an iphone app called obscura and so
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he knows the programmatic interfaces to
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the cameras really really well and he
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had confirmed and I just want to call
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this out that you in order to get manual
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exposure in focus on this is what you're
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alluding to earlier Marco on the e on
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the seven plus you cannot use the fuse
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camera mode you have to say either i
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want the telephoto or the wide one and
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so will put a link in the show notes to
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that the depth mapping BuzzFeed says
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because both cameras in the seven plus
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can be run simultaneously it can capture
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nine layers of depth from foreground to
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background I've also seen and I don't
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have a link handy but I've seen rumors
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that there is an IR sensor or something
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like that sitting in between the two
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ones did you guys see that i took that
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out of the notes because I'd someone was
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just saying because looking at the parts
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there's like a hole in the middle but I
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don't know if that's for an IRS like
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this the question where does it get the
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depth map from my last show i said these
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cameras are really close to each other
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so you can get depth from two cameras
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that are separated from each other the
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more they're separated easier it is to
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get the information out
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you can also get it with an ir spray or
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something but i have a feeling that's
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what was going on we would know about it
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by now anyway another one of the
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mysteries of apples a magical hardware
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how are they getting the depth
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information but the benign layer says
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not getting that much that information
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nine layers is pretty granular for an
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entire scene like the present 360 had
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the the first but that was a thing
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called boys bad that i can remember the
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neighborhood you know what I'm talking
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about right to stand in front of the
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xbox and wave your arms around the
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kinect kinect there we go yes the first
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one of those had fairly primitive death
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mapping to figure out where everybody
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was in the room it's way more than nine
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layer so the camera this is and these
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layers are going to be used for the the
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the fake depth of field effect that farm
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where no one has actually tried yet
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right even reviewers don't have this
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year because it sounds like you later
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yeah so we just don't know how that
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works but that's what the depth is four
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and nine layers is from his guitar
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collection we confirm from apple
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so don't expect miracles in terms of
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mapping of what's new and what's far
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yeah man you can kind of see that in
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their demo photos that show off the the
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fucking effect that like you can tell it
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the edge detection of the subject of its
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kind of crude and it's like things are
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blurred that shouldn't necessarily be
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blurred like depth wise so that's
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probably what we're seeing there's
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probably just the effect of the of the
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depth map being a fairly in precise
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alright Dan Hickson has written about
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raw and he is pointed out to us the raw
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is not a new feature of the iphone 7 but
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new features of iOS 10 with that works
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with any iphones and have 12 makeup
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megapixel camera so I believe that's
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just success and seven is that correct
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yes success and forward well i think
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also the sec oh yeah I think you are
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right actually it's a very good point
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and consider that he says he's working
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on a roll camera app for iOS 10 and
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here's why he and his partner
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professional photographers the main
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reason we want on our phones because
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apples noise reduction algorithm is too
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aggressive it's optimized for iphone
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screens and looks good there but if he's
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human on a photo and you look at that
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you took recently the edges are still
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milky and yucky I even have a friend who
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is also a pro photographer has begun
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stockpiling iphone 5s is because the
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noise reduction is less aggressive there
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and i feel like i've also seen
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previously mentioned been McCarthy say
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some of the same things that the noise
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reduction is really aggressive on the on
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the on the Apple side of things and so
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if you take the raw image then you can
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apply whatever noise reduction you want
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thanks for three sponsor this week
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now the show is over they didn't even
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mean to begin as it was accidental
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it was accidental John research Marco in
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kc would let you know
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because it was accidentally was
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you can find the show know today DP died
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and it for twitter follow them
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yes eyl ISS so that's Casey list and a
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co-pay RM Angie Marco Arment are see you
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we should perhaps talk about the
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ordering process and what we ended up
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doing it sounds like II so what what did
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Marco I thought you were ordering a plus
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so so I did order a plus but I decided
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the very last minute to go for jet black
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because i wanted the grip and I was kind
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of an offensive in regular black and
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jet-black and you know on the plus i
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really wanted extra grip because i
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really want to use a caseless and
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because you just get so big and as i
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mentioned i had been using a plus for
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like the last week or so just to kind of
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a sanity check to make sure i do i
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really want to phone this big and the
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the problem is that minute one the
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earliest and the earliest ship date
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anybody got on a jet black + was
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September 26 by the time i order went
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through mine which have been quoted at
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that time I was actually moved up to
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October fourth through 10th oh but so
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like you know I mean that granted that's
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only like three weeks away or something
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but I really want this phone now and I
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really have reasons to get it now like
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for instance overcast has a prominent
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feature that depends on the hardware of
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the phone's built-in speaker and
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profiling it to minimize distortion
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during voice boost i really would like
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the new phone so I can profile the
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speaker and I can get this feature at
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the poker and so that all people who get
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these phones kind of overcast sound good
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and and correct out of their speakers
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plus i just want the phone you know i'm
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i'm a nerd i'm impatient i want to talk
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about on the show i want you i want for
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the various like minor business purposes
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so yeah to wait till early to mid
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october kind of would suck so in the
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meantime I started thinking you know
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what else could I you know maybe could I
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should just like go in the store and try
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to get a reservation and everything and
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try to get like get one in the meantime
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and then whichever one comes first keep
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that one can't believe that the other
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order and the problem is I all this crap
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with AT&T we're like basically the Apple
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is not very happy to sell you tmobile
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unlocked ones in very much quantity
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because most of the most part being
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resold on the great market play well
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really yeah oh yeah like that's the the
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tmobile stock went out way earlier like
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the tmobile ship dates where it went out
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way further ahead than everyone else is
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way faster I see what you're saying okay
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a little secret between us and the
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listeners which were not going to tell
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is that I might have ordered a second
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phone for somebody else that lives in
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the house that may not know this yet
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Declan that one here totally in that 1i
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ordered his tmobile because on the off
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chance that I get murdered for spending
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a lot of money on this phone that wasn't
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really asked for then it would be a very
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easy return you know wouldn't it
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wouldn't be set up against her or his
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but her phone number and so I just got a
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completely vanilla t mobile phone and I
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don't remember what the ship date was to
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your point it was out of ways but i did
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this like hours after waking up last
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Friday so also if it wasn't a plus it
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then the dates for a lot closer
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yeah it is not a plus and I bring all
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this up just to say that for one phone
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like I was as far as applicant is
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concerned like a complete rando and 41 t
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mobile phone they didn't blink an eye
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that's good yeah anyway so I i was
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living with plus all weekend and came to
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the conclusion that i can have a phone
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that big if it's really compelling for
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all the other reasons i can totally live
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with the plus-size phone was when I came
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home I live a little longer and then I
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switched this morning back to my success
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is to kind of have the other side then
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and my god i love the success so much
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more like that boy the same feeling that
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people get when they switch to the SE
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after using a 6 for a while they're like
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oh my god I can reach everything and it
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fits on my pocket and it's so small
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light that's the feeling I got switching
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from the plastic to success like it was
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it was such a big difference and the
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plus like yes the screen is way bigger
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and way nicer the cameras eat even
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though the the telephoto camera is not
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as optically high-spec as the other one
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I would still love to have dual
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members and would gladly pay a hundred
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hours extra they could be the same size
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body is the regular success the battery
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life is indeed better again not as much
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if using the screen but it is indeed
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noticeably better but there are still
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some things about that annoy me i still
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hate that springboard rotates i still
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hate that apps have that weird like half
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ipad view when you accidentally rotate
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them to the point where you i typically
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have to keep the phone with rotation
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lock on you never have to do with my
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success but on the plus side I really
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just have to keep the rotation lock on
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just tolerate all the various weird
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stuff that goes on it is really
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substantially larger and and noticeably
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heavier the point where it's less
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comfortable to use while reading in bed
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while holding it up above me and it does
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not fit in very many pockets very easily
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and also like he had a battery life is
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much longer but when you do want to
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charge it up it charges a lot more
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slowly because it's a bigger battery and
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charger at the same milliamp hour rate
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so it charges more slowly the battery
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case not available for it and yeah it's
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just it's really big and so I can
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totally do that however next year it's
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gonna be a lot smaller and all that if
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all these your words are true then the
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then the plus size screen will be
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available on a much smaller phone body
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next year we can already look and see
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like what Samsung and everyone else does
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with like getting rid of bezels and
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maybe slightly curved screen around all
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this other crap you can get a big screen
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in a small phone body and that's
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probably what Apple's doing with the
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next iphone for next year with this big
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redesign with no bezels I and and one
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more year would also give it a chance to
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maybe improve a telephoto camera a
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little bit and for us to hear more from
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actual users and actual analysis and
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like deep testing to see like how good
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is that second camera in practice how
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you know how useful is it really is
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there anything weird about the dual
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camera setup that like a United that
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anywhere artifacts with the picture
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being combined and everything like we
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will know all that in a year and in a
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year I'll be able to get all the
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benefits of the plus phone in all
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likelihood it a much smaller physical
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shape and size so i think i'm just going
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to wait till that always a plus made
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never plus yeah so so I i think i'm
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gonna i'm gonna go with the regular size
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the 4.7 inch seven this this year and
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the difference between the the seven and
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seven plus like in in various aspects
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and everything is a lot closer than it
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used to be like between 6 and 6 plus the
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battery life is way closer it's it's
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very similar now actually I mean that
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plus still a lot more like if the screen
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is often said but like during for screen
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on use the battery life is actually very
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close and the battery got a lot bigger
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than the seven and only a little bigger
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than 7 plus the l and also the the seven
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camera got the optical image
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stabilization so that now like the
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wide-angle camera and identical between
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the two which wasn't before
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so combined with little annoyed about
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the plus like the weird ipad half modes
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and just a large physical size i'm just
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a lot happier with the regular success
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size right now and so again next year
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when they change the sizes
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maybe i will be less happy with it and i
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will i will go up again you know back to
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the plus there or maybe i will go down
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and and use like you know basically like
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so you know my theory is that the BSE
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name will make a lot more sense in the
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future because the SEC is probably a
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temporary model inserted as a bridge
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until we can get the smaller iPhone
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bodies that were supposed to be out
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maybe a year ago so let's face it might
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seriously they're in in four seconds but
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basically the the next 4.7 inch phone
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might be close enough in dimensions to
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the sec that they don't need it anymore
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so anyway that's that's my my theory
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that the SEC will never be updated and
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it was just a bridge model to get them
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until next year when the 4.7 is small
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enough the SE customers will tolerate it
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so anyway so the answer basically is
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right now I have nothing ordered because
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i couldn't once I can't so I canceled my
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6 plus that was gonna ship in october so
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i could basically reuse the AT&T
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verification on a on a different phone
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but then that stopped working and for
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the last few days I've tried here and
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they're placing orders and I've gotten
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the apple thing saying here's so here's
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a reservation we can kind of come to the
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carrier system but here's a reservation
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for you and I'd go follow through that
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says you know what nevermind we actually
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couldn't do it again so i keep going
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through all these stupid processes and I
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still can't get an order in so i have
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had like a last-minute order for a
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tmobile one that's going to arrive like
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in early October also desperate to have
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this phone with the same phone t-mobile
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it's the same phones AT&T like and it's
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i'm buying a full price anyway i know
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i'm just like you you you need that now
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you if you were if you had anything in
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front of you if the world was your
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oyster you would get a 128 seven
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jet-black is that correct that's right
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ok alright John what about your
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household we last I heard you were going
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to wait on yourself because you wanted
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to see both in hand before you made a
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decision but what about Tina did she
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order one was she planning to know she's
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got a 6s plus it's not here
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I mean I'm assuming she's gonna get a
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watch but she's not ready to pick that
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out yet so yeah no hurry i didn't order
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anything like um just wander into a
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store at some point and take a look at
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them I need to see the person first and
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then decide what I'm going to do and
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didn't just gonna wait and whatever
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shortage and shipping dates and other
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weird things going on
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wait until that's all over and not be
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able to it alright i ordered myself a
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matte black 7 128 I'm not a member of
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the + club I was flirting with it real
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hard for a little while but when I saw
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the details about the camera
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I I felt like you know what there's
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nothing that's really enticing me about
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+ club except battery but like marco was
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just explaining the batteries got a lot
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better in the seven supposedly anyway so
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it is apparently sitting in louisville
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kentucky as we speak should be delivered
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friday and i am very stoked and then if
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i had secretly ordered a phone for Aaron
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which I totally did not do it would be a
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71 28 in rose gold and that's delivered
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in like mid october or something like
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hypothetically before we and I just want
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to take one more run it just fine what I
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hope is the first software update to iOS
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10 to allow me to send people lazers
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with reduce motion on because at every
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first of all as we discussed last time
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it's baffling to people that those two
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things are connected in any way you know
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is that baffling I don't because after
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all the people behind happen to know who
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have reduced motion on have it merely as
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an aesthetic preference right it's
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mostly they're not doing it
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because they experienced huge amounts of
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vertical just they just like it a little
[TS]
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bit better like me that's why I have it
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like I experienced a little tiny bit of
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vertical but not enough that i would be
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well I just liked it better the other
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way so it is it's an it's a preference
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it it's like a preference in the literal
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sense like you just like it better you
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don't need it but you just like it and I
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like it so much I don't want to go back
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to the other way now I totally
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understand that had people who need the
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motion to be reduced because they it
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really affects their ability to use
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their phone also don't want to see
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lasers good all thumbs up but there i
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mean there has to be people out there
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like me who have reduced motion on just
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because they feel like it but it's a
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pretty strong preference but they also
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want to send people lazers so you need
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to do is have a sexual preference in
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messages that you know off by default
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that says even memories motion is off
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that's it one little toggle throw that
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in there because i have yet to meet a
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person who was able to figure out on
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their own without you know like
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scratching their head and just grandma
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guessing that reduce motion is the
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reason why can't some people lasers and
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then to agree that that's a thing that
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all ok well I bets that you know and now
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that I understand it's just be that way
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because people just want the way they
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want it they want reduce motion and they
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want to send lasers right they have to
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allow that they just have to i just
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cannot stand then I don't think this is
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gonna happen personally cannot stand you
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can't leave it like this people wanting
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you know how many times i've been to the
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reduce motion setting sending people
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lazers I need to send lasers ok
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it needs to be done and yet i gotta go
[TS]
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back to the setting appt like I'm sure
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i'm not working like I leave it on the
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reduce motion toggle so i can turn off
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with it go back to the apps and lasers
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it's just it's untenable this they can't
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leave it like that I completely i
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completely disagree with you and it's
[TS]
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best summarized actually by the tips
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do not use accessibility features to
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tweak the phone problem solved
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I agree with tips no notice it like
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that's not problems of people people
[TS]
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want to do this I understand why they're
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there and I'm not arguing that this
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should be like the default obviously
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should work this way the defaults are
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correct this is the way it should work
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but there are there are people who used
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we all know them to use accessibility
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features as aesthetic preferences
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you can't just deny those people exist
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using them that way look there there
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there switches people can toggle and the
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kind of switches the people can toggle
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like I've had reduced motion on since
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iOS 7 that as far as I'm concerned that
[TS]
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is the iphone experience to me is
[TS]
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because reduce motion turned on
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most people who have produced motion
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turned on purely for like reasons a
[TS]
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personal preference
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that's how they've been using phones for
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years to say that you have to choose
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between that and seeing confetti and
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balloons and it's just it's just not i
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don't i really think they're going to
[TS]
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change this because it just seems
[TS]
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obvious to me that they added the Apple
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has Miss estimated exactly how annoying
[TS]
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it is not to be able to send lasers I i
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am first of all deeply amused that that
[TS]
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you are this fired up over something
[TS]
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that is so kitchen silly but beyond that
[TS]
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I I understand where you're coming from
[TS]
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but I completely disagree and again i
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think that the fact that you happen to
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prefer this aesthetically while tough
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cookies for you because that's not the
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purpose of the purpose of it is to
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prevent issues I don't doesn't matter
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what the purpose just matters how people
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use it doesn't matter what the purposes
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it only matters how people use it you
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can make it things for whatever purpose
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you want it just matters help it's like
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that might be the the force quit thing
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doesn't matter that the purposes like if
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your app is frozen use it only matters
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how people use it and people use it to
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obsessively force quit all the wraps to
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clear off the thing like you can design
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feature with one intention but when
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people use it they're showing you
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well you may have designed it that way
[TS]
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but here's how we're using it and you
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have to take that and put back into this
[TS]
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well people really don't like a bunch of
[TS]
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clutter on their app switchers maybe we
[TS]
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should give them a way to get rid of
[TS]
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clutter or have a an option that says
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never show more than three things in the
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app switcher because it's clear that
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people are really annoyed by seeing a
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little screens on the app switcher and
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even though it's supposed to be there to
[TS]
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exit a a nap the tongue people use it
[TS]
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for something different so you have to
[TS]
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re-examine now maybe it's only meal and
[TS]
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literally 25 other people that I know
[TS]
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that do this and then the rest of the
[TS]
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entire world never runs with reduce
[TS]
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motion on or their own reduce motion
[TS]
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animals they found out they couldn't
[TS]
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sell is really that didn't care about
[TS]
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the lasers or didn't care about reduce
[TS]
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motion anymore but i find it hard to
[TS]
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believe that there are lots of people
[TS]
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out there using accessibility features
[TS]
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quote-unquote for the wrong reasons
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who are annoyed now that they can't use
[TS]
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the new features and messages so really
[TS]
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you just want to be
[TS]
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tweak everything so really this is not
[TS]
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our statics this is not just like this
[TS]
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comes back to Marco diff suggesting you
[TS]
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get an android phone i'm on him in the
[TS]
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market campaign look but i will I would
[TS]
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gladly trade for example the home button
[TS]
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week which i'm amazed exists like I'm
[TS]
◼
►
amazed that home button week exist
[TS]
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because this is totally like look with
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the race to wake you don't need it
[TS]
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►
anymore so why would we ever give you an
[TS]
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option to go back to the old way but
[TS]
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they did you know why it's just one
[TS]
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little switch i will click trade that in
[TS]
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a second for not having a crippled
[TS]
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version of messages for the readers
[TS]
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motion on but so what i don't understand
[TS]
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though is I thought you were made
[TS]
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physically ill by having reduce motion
[TS]
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off a little bit of vertigo but not much
[TS]
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see the truth comes out but anyway I
[TS]
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don't want to turn the whole point is I
[TS]
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don't want to turn reduce motion back
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off that's why I'm not doing that I just
[TS]
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wanna I'd i'm not bothered at all i
[TS]
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don't get any illness at all from
[TS]
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balloons and confetti and lasers since I
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mean you know everyone has one of these
[TS]
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things like like you know I i mentioned
[TS]
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earlier my my annoyance with rotation
[TS]
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lock on the six plus I i would love it
[TS]
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►
if apps had individual rotation lock
[TS]
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settings it's not gonna happen
[TS]
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twitter used to have that Twitter used
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to have that and they got rid of it in
[TS]
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favor the US one I remember those days
[TS]
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so overcast has been too but I'm like
[TS]
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you know there's not going to be like a
[TS]
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system preference somewhere that lists
[TS]
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all my apps like you know just like the
[TS]
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cell data think but that's untenable
[TS]
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like this this is an easily easy obvious
[TS]
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121 times which you know exactly where
[TS]
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we'd go you're done but what you're
[TS]
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saying basically is you really want
[TS]
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there to be no motion effect anywhere in
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the US except this one app but still
[TS]
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there's no motion effects and tons of
[TS]
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apps that like I'm not reduce motion is
[TS]
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not written if you run weather is much
[TS]
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alright so it does not remove all
[TS]
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animations from the system right
[TS]
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it reduces them all right honey of apps
[TS]
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have their own animations all over the
[TS]
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place in them they're not affected at
[TS]
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all by reducing motion right but what's
[TS]
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i get so many ridiculous feature
[TS]
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requests for overcast that basically are
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along the lines of I like this one
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reasonable way I would just have a wall
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single screen and it's untenable and so
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what you're saying is you want that kind
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here but everybody has one of those pet
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things know it's it's not it's not a
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granularity thing it's about the
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disconnect between reduce motion and hat
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features right know what does it sits
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that's absolutely ridiculous because no
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it isn't because reduce motion doesn't
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reduce motion does not reduce motion in
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apps like you're like oh I everybody's
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motion I don't expect to see it does if
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they use the right ap is no i mean like
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its supposed to the accessibility
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features are meant to be blunt
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instruments that are not meant for
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everyone to use them and they're
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designed as they're designed that way to
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so like you know one of the
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accessibility features bold text right
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because the the text so skinny and iOS 7
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turns out if you if you want bold text
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it all your apps except one
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there's no option to do that like
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because that's these are meant to be
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broad blunt instruments for people who
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need them for accessibility purposes but
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there are plenty of applications that
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ignore the bold text setting because
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they don't use it the same thing reduce
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motion if you turn on reduce motion and
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play game it's still with motion it's
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not reducing motion for you this motion
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everywhere right
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well that's really really reduce this is
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the only this is the only case in which
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reduce my motion has made entire
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headline features of any apple or an
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apple app completely inaccessible like
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you don't even have a choice to use them
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they're not hidden they're not locked
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you just cannot use them you can't see
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them you can even send them everything
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becomes center with lasers in
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parenthesis right this is an
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unprecedented it's unprecedented a
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feature like this it would total and
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like that everybody who has discovered
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this you find out all the people using
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reduce motion because the first time is
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the upgrade to iOS 10 they want to send
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lasers they can't they can't figure it
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out you know many times I've seen the
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same conversation different slack
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channel light twitter on the brightest
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and laser I'm trying to send balloons
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and I can't oh do you have reduced
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motion on that's what it is and then
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those people are just stuck it's like
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well i guess i can't have reduce motion
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anymore I mean think of it this way
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what if you are made physically ill by
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the reduce motion effects but lasers and
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balloons don't bother you
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what about that no one cares about you
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anymore because those two things while
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like I don't think this is a question of
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granularity I think this is a totally
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unprecedented linking of basically
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unrelated things for feature that
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doesn't reduce motion across the entire
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operating system but just this one app
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the messages team said you know what
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balloons too much confetti is too much
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we've got to reduce it much again I'm on
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board with that but you have to
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recognize that there are people out
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there for whom the the constant zooming
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in and out motion of transition between
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applications is bothersome Blazers are
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not i-i-i this is the most preposterous
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thing I've ever heard you say so that
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the name of the setting is reduce motion
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so use fewer balloons but you want it
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for balloons and lasers that are like on
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the verge of a strobe light but you want
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the whole point now by the mall not by
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default option and why should it be an
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option for this one application because
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this is the headline features of iOS 10
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the messages enhancements are a headline
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features of iOS 10 that regular people
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want to use their sure to be very
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popular the first thing everybody tries
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but it's not like some obscure corner of
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the the OS or I'm like this one app that
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nobody ever uses this is ice think this
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is unprecedented I think this absolutely
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has to change in a future version and I
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should i also would like to note that
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there is you I accessibility is reduce
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motion enabled which is an official API
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that at that a any developer worth their
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salt which is really none of them
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because i don't know if i would bother
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with this but anyway any developer worth
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their salt would check internet and
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crank back on their own in-app
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animations if this is turned on so maybe
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nobody does this but strictly speaking
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it is responsibility of Marco of me of
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any other iOS developer to check this in
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crank down on animations if it is turned
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on so just because we're maybe bad
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citizens of the platform and I shouldn't
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want mark when the with this maybe you
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are using it but you know if some okay
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there you go to use all the text
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features dynamic text buttons i use all
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exactly so if we're bad citizens of the
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platform and you've in your bank error
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in your favor when two hundred dollars
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were good for you but the fact the
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matter is reduce motion is supposed to
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reduce motion and that's what it's doing
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its reducing emotional
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balloons and lasers and strobe lights
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and things like that doesn't reduce the
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motion of the messages sliding up when
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the things go by this is like if you had
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a game where if you have reduced motion
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on you could play the game but you
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couldn't fire the rocket launcher
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because the rocket launcher had too many
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flashing lights and you'll be trying to
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play the game and you can't figure out
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why you can't beat this boss and you
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pick up the rocket launcher but you
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can't fire it and you can't figure it
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out you right to the development so if
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you have reduce motion on you can't fire
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the rocket launcher
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this is and that would be an obscure
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third party game that's a bad decision
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by one obscure third party game
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this is headlining feature totally gone
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because you have because you don't want
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to see zoom animations when you go from
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springboard into an application it's
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completely absurd
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so how wrong you are side I cannot
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believe how much time and energy you're
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putting into trying to get these like
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tacky horrible effects but this is like
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the worst part of I guess that's what
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everybody does it did you know someone
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who got os10 didn't immediately try to
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play with those effects that's what I
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recorded and at work today friend at
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work was was at my desk and talking to
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myself into a co-worker saying why can't
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I get lasers to work and we couldn't
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figure it out for second waiter you want
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to 60 so don't need to tap and hold your
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success we need to the deep profound
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another person another casual reduce
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motion user hold on it yes I it was
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another casualties motion user however
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the moment that I pointed out it's a
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choice between reduce motion or lasers
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immediately reduce motion was canned
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lasers it is I'll roll with it
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these people have have more drive for
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lasers I i am about 5050
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I don't want to reduce motion off but I
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also on laser so so I go back to System
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Preferences I turn reducing motion off i
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send the lasers and then I turn it back
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that's cannot believe you're not
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dedicated to frickin lasers I notable I
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agree it's ludicrous and there should be
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a preference for and I can understand
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i'm not saying like Apple should have
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known because maybe they just don't know
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how many people using reduce motion for
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like you know who they put it this way
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who are bothered by the motion to reduce
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motion stops but are not bothered by
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lasers right and maybe they just didn't
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know how many people that and the ATP to
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keep saying accessibility as
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accessibility is a different class of
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people accessibilities for everybody
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every single human being is going to
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need eventually one or more
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accessibility features is not a separate
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class well normal people and
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accessibility people everybody needs
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accessibility features every single
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person so they are not separate but the
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accessibility options in iOS are
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designed for non-mainstream use so they
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don't put its not non-mainstream it's a
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hundred percent mainstream there is no
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distinction between normals and people
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need accessibility features if you if
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you would like the accessibility feature
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because it makes the pleasant experience
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in using iphone easier more pleasant for
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you then that's fine but if Apple
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actually wanted this to be like a really
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good setting that had granularity and
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features to satisfy everybody they
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wouldn't bury an accessibility they
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would make it a regular setting this is
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the headline feature of their new
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operating system this is not an obscure
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tweak or setting and the fact that it is
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totally absent is different from i wish
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it behaved in a little bit different way
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this is not i want / podcast setting for
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every single thing this is not i want /
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conversation read receipts which by the
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way they have this is not that this is
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those lasers that you keep seeing have
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fun banging your head against your phone
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trying to figure out how to send them
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and guess what it's because of that
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because you didn't want the Zoom
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animations when you go between apps who
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is sending you all these lasers I
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haven't gotten any lasers you what if
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you're talking to casey I've said you
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you have lots of drawings and a little
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heart things and everybody's playing
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with everyone wants the blade i have not
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sent you any of that stuff I can't even
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find it arrives to having some John that
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stuff i was sending Marco state where
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are the lasers so i will send your laser
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and by the way i am as deeply pissed off
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as you are about this which is
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preposterous i maintain I am as deeply
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pissed off if not more so that they
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removed the sweet techno beats from the
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lasers sound effect now just sounds like
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garbage so Marco i will send your lasers
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by typing the word garbage deep pressing
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on the up the blue up arrow hitting the
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segmented control sleeping over and then
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hitting the blue button so i have just
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sent your lasers
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oh my God look at all that motion it's
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not being reduced at all
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nope not a bit so if you have your phone
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in silent Casey how would you feel if
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you had your phone in silent mode if you
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couldn't send letters now like you
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couldn't you no longer had access to any
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bubble effects or any screen effects
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about what you don't have to dial that
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that is not an analogous are it is
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isn't healthy now literally disappears
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because some aspect of a base
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potentially harmful you said you didn't
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want any noise and noise comes with the
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same so sorry analogous in Italian it an
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analogous argument would be you know
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John I really are
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I would really love to be able to send
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lasers and even if the phone is silence
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it should play the audio for the lasers
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no no no because reduce motion is not
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like the mute switch again this motion
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all over the place reduce motion even
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apps that honor it is impossible to
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eliminate motion like I said when you
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send a message the bubbles slide upwards
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that's motion my goodness my goodness I
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can't believe I can't even believe you
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to disagree on that is a Apple needs to
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change that be I think they will change
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it because it's so easy to change it so
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obvious I think they just dark and he
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did not correctly estimate how many
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people are casual reduce motion users
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look at all these balloons and confetti
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i'm having all this fun over here with
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his motion i will bet you one American
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dollar that this that you're that you're
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delightful setting will never exist
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effort i will take that bet I will take
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that one dollar bet and and my timeframe
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for that bed is before I was 11
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that's all I'm saying I don't know what
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point was just gonna be a 10-point
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point2 points3 points4 know what numbers
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they got to but that is a one dollar bet
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that i will take I I will absolutely
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agree to this one dollar bet
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oh my god is ridiculous we give me odds
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no I wasn't high god it's 10,000 is
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10,000 the one in my favor right because
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Apple not doing something is always a
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oh god just turn off reduce motion you
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yes seriously thank you i tried i can't
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take it I can't take it
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just close your eyes when you hit the
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home button now I can't take it
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aesthetically like I believe I can like
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yeah well that's what it really is
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that's the problem is you don't you
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don't need it for an accessibility
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reason you just have a preference
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well then you know it i mean it does
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it's borderline because like I you feel
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tiny tiny little bit of vertical but i
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would get over it like it's not it's not
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the building was less time you use it
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like I don't like 15 minutes ago like I
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can keep going back to reduce motion
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because again when you send lasers its
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pain to go back and forth so I leave it
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and then I realized that it's still on i
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all that turned back off for people who
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are so sensitive that they would need
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that for the actual accessibility
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purpose i think it's a reasonable
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default to disable as many fullscreen
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animations as possible
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oh no it's totally a reasonable default
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totally reasonable default but i don't
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think that if you did the Venn diagram
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of people who actually need that feature
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vs people who are also followed by
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lasers it's not a hundred percent
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overlaps that's why the non overlapping
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region is the place for the second
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setting and again i will gladly
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sacrifice the home button setting if you
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want to keep your number of toggle
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switches to a constant level with this
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yeah look at that this is the most
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preposterous argument I think I've ever
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heard you make John syracuse that this
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is truly ridiculous
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by the way when reduce motion is on you
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can send the sparkly little dewdrop
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message thingies
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no problem with that that's exactly the
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same emotions firework speaking of
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fireworks sparkly little lines that we
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need to the tap on the little black
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apparently fine with reduce motion on no
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lasers I I can't handle this
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I'm just I'm worn out from the
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ridiculous serious how many windows gave
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up right now Jonny just need something
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else I mean just this guy i get 3 the
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most the reason I'm so angry as I can't
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believe that you two are both against me
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on this 1i was the odds of one fine but
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it's just it's reading you know what it
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is i have i have had to support an app
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that sometimes didn't look quite right
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or didn't work quite right with some of
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these obscure accessibility options
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turned on and then people people just
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turn them on and then forget their on
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hey there's a visual bug in your
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rendering here's a screenshot and they
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because of an accessibility settings
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they set so as a developer i don't have
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a lot of sympathy for people who set
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these settings without knowing even what
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they are just as like little preferences
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that like who don't need them for these
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the actual possibility purpose because
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people tend to forget what I set them
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then email me saying hey this is a
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problem you're at because I said the
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setting i did that i forgot about that
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that it that I'm not really using for
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this purpose so i do have a hard time
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feeling bad for you
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not using I you keep getting back to the
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not using for purpose i don't think
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that's a valid anything like not using
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look it's a setting if people want to
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use it they want to use it all what
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doesn't count because you're not using
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it for its intended purpose but they're
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using the setting anybody can change the
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switch on the thing like and again i
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think from you I wise people not being
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able to figure out why they can't send
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lasers is just plain you I problem
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forget about whether you think it's like
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they should have something in the UI
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that says I see that you're trying to
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hold down on this little up arrow like
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you know like they have a look at blocks
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indicator like it's the users fault they
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have cat box on they don't realize
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they're not miss typing the password the
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cap locks on you put a visual indicators
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not even that obvious but you put
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something on the screen to let them know
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rather than is leaving them that are
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stranded holding their thumb down a
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little upper face and error messages and
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not understanding why they can't send
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stuff like that's a you is your
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independent of what you think whether
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think it should be supported
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there should be something in the UI to
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tell people you may not realize this but
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the reason you can't do this thing we
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know you're trying to do it and we know
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exactly why you can't do it and it's
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totally not obvious and no one will ever
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think about setting that they do they
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change in iOS 7 and thought about since
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so that is a separate thing entirely and
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I hope both of you can agree that
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interfaces together I think you both
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dealt with people who have not been able
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to figure out why they can't stand
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i mean i-i think it should be wanting to
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agree on that you're sitting you both of
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you want agree on that it should be more
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obvious what the cause of not being able
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to send thank-you thank-you for I was
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the voice of reason finally Marco still
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on agree on that but you will let you
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should be more obvious but even given a
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chance we didn't even get me just so he
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decided at me and he is angry people
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around that instant forget about it in
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his appt I'm saying because like yes I
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think that is bad you like to have to
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just silently fail not tell you I
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however i disagree with your entire
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premise of whites matters as much as it
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does yeah but that's not why i was
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asking about asking about the narrow
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case of you agree that it should be
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because again that's just the UI problem
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people are confused by interface people
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are trying to accomplish a task they
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noticed ask as possible because they've
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seen a demonstrator trying to accomplish
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and I can't figure out why they can't
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and there is a reason and you say
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whether those reasons good or bad but a
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good you i will let those people know
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what the reason is IE again i concurred
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that the failure is to hidden
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I think you know let's take a success if
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you mash down hard on that send button
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maybe the first time or perhaps every
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time it's as well you know this is where
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you would normally be able to do things
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but because you're you're just
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ridiculous and your John syracuse so
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we're not going to let you but here's
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where you would need to go to fix it
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that I concur but i still find your
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entire argument about as sub toggle or
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what-have-you to be proposed as yes I
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see I know you you'll be one darul
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dollar poor later you're saying okay
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yeah we'll see indeed my god that the
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same thing is this entire argument has
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to go on the show because it is so
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ridiculous so now we're gonna now we
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have a long show again despite our every
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effort to keep it short and we actually
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get a reasonably ok job and here it is
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two-and-a-half hours later worthen
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