The Accidental Tech Podcast

187: Putting Plastic on Your Couches


  have you guys noticed that this is the [TS]

  1000 day anniversary of the mac pro god [TS]

  do we really have to talk about that [TS]

  already all fired up [TS]

  this is the longest Mac Pro has ever [TS]

  gone although if you count the 2012 as [TS]

  really just 2010 which I would that [TS]

  actually is a longer span this is that [TS]

  was like 1100 but if you can't them [TS]

  separately the way Apple release them [TS]

  this is the longest span by a good [TS]

  margin yay happy birthday mac pro or [TS]

  something but was it you that was [TS]

  tweeting the other day that like you're [TS]

  talking about next spring or something [TS]

  because you thought they weren't gonna [TS]

  update the mac pro until they get the [TS]

  sky like e in it [TS]

  whatever happened to them just using the [TS]

  chips that are available now you've [TS]

  given up on that amount o we can barely [TS]

  get them to use anything the I the last [TS]

  thing we're gonna do is use a [TS]

  six-month-old ship mean that they're [TS]

  going to either wait a six-month-old [TS]

  ship is practically new in a [TS]

  three-year-old computer that's true but [TS]

  this is Apple are talking about Apple [TS]

  like the wind blow like the wrong [TS]

  direction 1d like what better delay the [TS]

  mac pro again for other generation 105 [TS]

  my poor computer is going to make it [TS]

  that long and nothing and wait until [TS]

  like mid to late 20 17 [TS]

  I mean I'm get like if I think guess [TS]

  like if they're if they're truly waiting [TS]

  on Scylla key and they're gonna do an [TS]

  update then knowing Intel and also these [TS]

  days knowing apple with the mac i'm [TS]

  guessing that is not even a spring [TS]

  listen I'm guessing that's June [TS]

  2016-2017 I'm guessing that's a WBC [TS]

  released [TS]

  yeah i know i saw that it was like next [TS]

  time you everything just apple just [TS]

  released with whatever's available now [TS]

  and in your GPU so let's dig in [TS]

  starting with zakk wylde dowski doing [TS]

  what Marco wants with windows as [TS]

  possible windows 8 and up supported [TS]

  deployment method called windows to go [TS]

  I don't care moving on i was ten home [TS]

  button behavior this has been less of a [TS]

  cluster than I expected so it used to be [TS]

  that on iOS 9 you would pick up your [TS]

  phone and the screen would not turn on [TS]

  and you could press the home button or [TS]

  the sleep/wake button which a co-worker [TS]

  of mine had no idea was also a wake [TS]

  button if he thought it was only a sleep [TS]

  button which I thought that was kind of [TS]

  amusing [TS]

  anyway you could press either the [TS]

  sleep/wake button or the home button to [TS]

  turn the screen [TS]

  on and then naturally if you have touch [TS]

  ID particularly on was at the 6th the [TS]

  6th at superfast success was ok I'm so [TS]

  the success the thing that happened was [TS]

  the touch ID was so darn fast that you [TS]

  would pick up your phone press the home [TS]

  button and touch ID would almost [TS]

  instantly authenticate you and you would [TS]

  miss all your notifications so when I [TS]

  was ten the way apples fix this is when [TS]

  you pick up the phone and this is always [TS]

  the default settings that is it does [TS]

  what I believe they call raised to wake [TS]

  and so the screen will come out and show [TS]

  your notifications if you press the home [TS]

  button then it then it will actually do [TS]

  what it used to do which is bringing you [TS]

  into the home screen but you could just [TS]

  lightly press the home button and get it [TS]

  will say the bottom press home to unlock [TS]

  and then you can press home again to get [TS]

  in your phone it's very wonky i still [TS]

  even a month or so in don't particularly [TS]

  care for it and I expected the entire [TS]

  world to lose their crap about this and [TS]

  as it turns out i haven't heard that [TS]

  much complaining all told have you guys [TS]

  everybody who's machine have upgraded to [TS]

  iOS tennis complained about this was [TS]

  just includes the three members of my [TS]

  family but what do you think about Marco [TS]

  I mean I haven't heard that much because [TS]

  most of the complaining i heard was [TS]

  earlier during the beta period we went [TS]

  all the people i know all installed the [TS]

  data there may float against most most [TS]

  advice so most of the complaining i got [TS]

  through back then from around personal [TS]

  getting used to it it took me maybe a [TS]

  couple days and those fine like i had [TS]

  and what I when I first started I [TS]

  thought for sure [TS]

  oh this is gonna take me a long time to [TS]

  get used it's so different on on such a [TS]

  common interaction that do constantly [TS]

  every day and it just turned out yet was [TS]

  a couple days and it's totally fine [TS]

  haha i'm jealous because it is still [TS]

  taking me awhile to get used to it and [TS]

  in fact i was reminded by somebody [TS]

  earlier either today or yesterday that [TS]

  i'm so it's so ingrained in me to do the [TS]

  swipe up to control center and hit the [TS]

  bottom right to get the camera from the [TS]

  lock screen and it is so much nicer and [TS]

  iOS 10 to swipe from right to left but I [TS]

  completely forgot that was the thing and [TS]

  so I need to also retrain myself on that [TS]

  one as well [TS]

  yet again few days so I complained about [TS]

  this thing [TS]

  the last show like had just a last ride [TS]

  just upgraded to iOS 10 was on the baby [TS]

  i forgot anyway that was I was in a side [TS]

  that I complaint this is the one thing [TS]

  that annoyed me about it and that [TS]

  sentenced me and all of us i guess to a [TS]

  good solid week of people telling us how [TS]

  to fix this which is what this actually [TS]

  fall by name is about like it you don't [TS]

  like the new behavior and iOS 10 there's [TS]

  a setting to change it back to the old [TS]

  behavior although interestingly of the [TS]

  setting by the way is in under general [TS]

  under accessibility and as a thing [TS]

  called home button and there's just one [TS]

  little switch you can change it back to [TS]

  the old behavior but if you switch back [TS]

  to the behavior the text on the screen [TS]

  still says like pressed on lock which i [TS]

  guess is true it will still unlock it [TS]

  but you don't have to press it anymore [TS]

  that's the point it just makes it the [TS]

  old style thing [TS]

  yeah that's a little weird but I mean it [TS]

  makes sense all there's also a setting [TS]

  for raised awake too by the way my phone [TS]

  doesn't have raced away can I don't [TS]

  quite understand why annoys me a little [TS]

  bit it's only on this success was [TS]

  alright i don't know that yet a success [TS]

  when you know you get added that [TS]

  low-power processor to do to listen for [TS]

  hey see all the time and I think that [TS]

  same process is responsible for [TS]

  constantly monitoring the motion to to [TS]

  do that [TS]

  yes i miss out on that but I changed it [TS]

  back just because I don't want to have [TS]

  to do you like what i consider to be the [TS]

  extra press and I also configure all my [TS]

  family's devices to be like that after [TS]

  they complained and so no you know as [TS]

  far as my family concerned nothing has [TS]

  changed about this the SC i really want [TS]

  to change it back but I'm trying to [TS]

  train myself like Marco had succeeded in [TS]

  doing in and get myself used to it [TS]

  because i really prefer to be to [TS]

  tactically deploy my home settings [TS]

  tweaks when i get onto a new device that [TS]

  that's applicable to the mac and into [TS]

  any iOS device so i try to be cool with [TS]

  the defaults but sometimes he just can't [TS]

  live with it but this one I'm trying to [TS]

  get over and I think i will just take me [TS]

  longer than I took Marco somebody asked [TS]

  the question at least in the show notes [TS]

  anyway why not five finger pinch so on [TS]

  the ipad i believe it's optional [TS]

  certainly use the optional you can [TS]

  enable multitasking gestures and so far [TS]

  as an example i believe it's a four [TS]

  finger swipe will go will swipe you [TS]

  between apps which I love and use [TS]

  constantly and i also use constantly [TS]

  five finger pinch on the ipad which is [TS]

  you put all five fingers on the screen [TS]

  bring them closer together and that will [TS]

  bring you back to the home screen Wi-Fi [TS]

  finger pinch on an iPhone because it's [TS]

  just not that big man I mean that's what [TS]

  I would think that's not what the [TS]

  question is about the question was about [TS]

  my my last week's complained about how I [TS]

  don't like hitting it was all about the [TS]

  home but now I don't like hitting the [TS]

  home button like actual pressing a [TS]

  physical button when I want to go back [TS]

  to the home screen because it feels like [TS]

  when i'm on my iPad just like no [TS]

  touchscreen touchscreen there but this [TS]

  one thing that I want to do frequently [TS]

  go back to springboard or whatever I [TS]

  have to press this physical button and [TS]

  especially like the ipad is like resting [TS]

  on a pillow or something yeah the home [TS]

  button could be like down and the little [TS]

  creases of the pillow is just it's not [TS]

  as nice as touching everything else so [TS]

  the question is why I just use my [TS]

  fingers to pinch it gets rid of all that [TS]

  you don't touch the home button all your [TS]

  interactions with the screen and I love [TS]

  five finger pinch but there has always [TS]

  been something stopping me from enabling [TS]

  it in the beginning was fruit ninja [TS]

  obviously because if you want to have [TS]

  for dinner on your iPad you wanna let [TS]

  your kids play it you cannot enable [TS]

  these gestures because the kids will [TS]

  forever be going back to the home screen [TS]

  when they're trying to slice through [TS]

  watermelons or whatever and these days [TS]

  uh I have a terrific my Twitter [TS]

  application has many gestures you can do [TS]

  one of them i think it's like a [TS]

  two-finger vertical swipe for something [TS]

  to change Twitter accounts and when i do [TS]

  the five finger pinch it sends you back [TS]

  to springboard but when i go back to [TS]

  twitter it's on a different account so [TS]

  weird and so I know it's just [TS]

  is it just the way that I'm doing the [TS]

  gesture am i tripping the two finger [TS]

  gesture recognizer before I trip the OS [TS]

  wide five finger thing I don't know but [TS]

  anyway what it boils down to is I still [TS]

  cannot get clear of applications that i [TS]

  use everyday that are sort of not nicely [TS]

  compatible with five finger pitch which [TS]

  is not great because i really got a dick [TS]

  to do when i started using it before I [TS]

  realized it had to disable because [TS]

  essentially my ipad was broken for the [TS]

  purposes of small children playing fruit [TS]

  ninja and now i really haven't gone back [TS]

  to what that means i'm still stuck up [TS]

  pressing the home button and what I [TS]

  learned from this home button behavior [TS]

  change and I understand is that a lot of [TS]

  people have ingrained habits for like [TS]

  pick up your device and unlock it a lot [TS]

  of people are complaining about this [TS]

  chain [TS]

  Jim behavior made the number one tip [TS]

  I've seen on Twitter for iOS 10 both [TS]

  directed at me and just you know going [TS]

  crosswise everyone else's all the [TS]

  setting to change it back to the old [TS]

  lady do it do it do it but if I had [TS]

  raised awake i'm not sure i would change [TS]

  it because I would try to pick up the [TS]

  new habit which is if you just want to [TS]

  see stuff on the lockscreen don't touch [TS]

  anything just pick the phone number that [TS]

  works consistently that's better you [TS]

  know that's better than doing of the [TS]

  reason I don't want to do the pressing [TS]

  on my phone is it's like it's an extra [TS]

  effort [TS]

  well this is one fewer things you have [TS]

  to do just pick up the phone so i don't [TS]

  know i don't have a phone that has a [TS]

  feature eventually i probably will and I [TS]

  might go back and give it a try but even [TS]

  probably are you moving to android next [TS]

  year [TS]

  no just eventually haha but the other [TS]

  thing I learned is that lots of people [TS]

  have strange habits related to the home [TS]

  button one I didn't put this in a note [TS]

  so i don't have the URL but you guys [TS]

  read this story about the habits related [TS]

  to the home button in the Far East [TS]

  oh yes where this was talked about [TS]

  somewhere I think Ruby brought it up and [TS]

  I heard it somewhere else as well [TS]

  yeah so this was a apparently the inn in [TS]

  the Far East like China Japan you know [TS]

  indonesian whole region [TS]

  apparently it's very popular for iOS [TS]

  devices to enable the assistive touch [TS]

  feature which basically puts like the [TS]

  equivalent of the home button somewhere [TS]

  on your screen [TS]

  i think i've been able this way back [TS]

  when I have an available that in years [TS]

  though but if i give you if you have [TS]

  trouble using the home button they will [TS]

  put some control but always visible [TS]

  controls on top of the screen that will [TS]

  do the same thing as the home button and [TS]

  this is apparently very popular [TS]

  everybody does it and if so if you go if [TS]

  you go too far you see people using an [TS]

  iOS device you see about the junk on [TS]

  their screen [TS]

  I think it's like always on top always [TS]

  visible otherwise how would it work and [TS]

  so people are moving that stuff out of [TS]

  the way like when they want to see [TS]

  what's in the corner of the screen but [TS]

  this like you is covering it they move [TS]

  it out of the way so i can see the other [TS]

  stuff like they're from my perspective [TS]

  they're making their phone harder to use [TS]

  by putting some always visible UI on top [TS]

  of the screen that the people making the [TS]

  applications don't expect to be if they [TS]

  have to manage and move around and [TS]

  they're doing this because they think [TS]

  that using the home button will break it [TS]

  and this is one of those another [TS]

  Rose you know it's a superstition based [TS]

  on real things because the i think is [TS]

  the iphone four home button has in [TS]

  reliability problems for 4s and maybe [TS]

  five also it seemed to stop for sure [TS]

  when the touch ID sensor came in the 5s [TS]

  yeah although all iphones forever have [TS]

  had you know some degree of failing home [TS]

  buttons just because it's a very [TS]

  frequently used button and there's some [TS]

  failure rate for certain number of [TS]

  clicks right but the four is the one I [TS]

  remember I was you know it was way [TS]

  out-of-bounds for what you'd expect to [TS]

  failure rate to be this story I read [TS]

  about this home button thing was like [TS]

  their angle was that people feel like a [TS]

  broken home button hurts the resale [TS]

  value so they don't want to ever use the [TS]

  home button so that when they sell it [TS]

  later to you know you can trade in for [TS]

  another owner to sell it to get money to [TS]

  buy another phone that it they don't [TS]

  won't be hurting its resale value which [TS]

  is kind of a mercenary way to think of [TS]

  it but it's also kind of like putting [TS]

  plastic on your couches and like if no [TS]

  one ever uses the home button doesn't [TS]

  matter how does it hurt the resale value [TS]

  if everybody who will buy and use the [TS]

  phone will never use the home button [TS]

  because they're all preserving it just [TS]

  in case you know the Pope comes one day [TS]

  and wants to use the home but it's like [TS]

  it's never been used [TS]

  finally you can take the plastic off the [TS]

  cell phone anyway this isn't one article [TS]

  I read on the internet i have no idea if [TS]

  it's remotely accurate anyone who lives [TS]

  in the Far East by all means send us an [TS]

  email and let us know if this is a real [TS]

  thing of this is just one of those [TS]

  stories that one reporter happened to [TS]

  see one thing and now thinks the entire [TS]

  region does this mean for it's worth [TS]

  I've heard now like since the story's [TS]

  been circulating I've heard a lot of [TS]

  people who are confirming it from their [TS]

  own a coat like oh yeah i live in you [TS]

  know x place or iron or a relative a [TS]

  friend of mine lives there and this is [TS]

  totally a real thing and that was this [TS]

  is also expected as an explanation of [TS]

  why would I will get rid of the home [TS]

  button to try to encourage and like try [TS]

  to encourage know potentially millions [TS]

  of people to actually use the home [TS]

  button again is maybe they'll feel like [TS]

  well this button doesn't move so won't [TS]

  wear out now I don't think that's going [TS]

  to work because they have the [TS]

  superstition going for years and years [TS]

  you know I obviously moving the unicorn [TS]

  that I am I've never had a home [TS]

  device and I don't think there are [TS]

  particularly bad problems in the post [TS]

  touch ID age you know the iphone 4 was [TS]

  definitely the bad one and then the [TS]

  forest try to improve it but not so [TS]

  great and like you said with a five-part [TS]

  things I don't know anybody who's ever [TS]

  had failed touch ID sensor but i'm sure [TS]

  it happens but because it is a physical [TS]

  button but anyway I don't know if this [TS]

  is going to change things but as people [TS]

  on the chat room [TS]

  Apple presumably has diagnostic [TS]

  information like that little thing [TS]

  whether you forgive us opt-in or opt-out [TS]

  but you can send Apple diagnostic [TS]

  information they must know how many [TS]

  people even what regions are using these [TS]

  assistive touch features and they'll [TS]

  know based on the percentage of the [TS]

  population that actually needs those [TS]

  features you know because they can use [TS]

  the home button it like the numbers much [TS]

  scream to them a lot of people are using [TS]

  your on their iphones in ways that you [TS]

  Apple probably didn't expect so maybe [TS]

  address that with your next hardware [TS]

  model and so that could be one possible [TS]

  thing added in support getting rid of [TS]

  the button obvious reason together the [TS]

  physical buttons just because things [TS]

  don't move it's more reliable and it's [TS]

  easier to waterproof right but another [TS]

  factor could be done by the way maybe we [TS]

  can occur to those millions of people [TS]

  who refuse to use the home button that [TS]

  maybe it's safe to use it again [TS]

  are they gonna spend the rest of the [TS]

  time sliding always visible palette [TS]

  around the screen so they can see their [TS]

  content [TS]

  yeah I also i still do want to point out [TS]

  one thing though that a this won't solve [TS]

  the problem because people will still [TS]

  keep doing it because of superstition as [TS]

  you mentioned and be this happy kenjan [TS]

  now we'll have way more use so it's also [TS]

  full of moving parts just differently [TS]

  moving parts and the taptic engine in [TS]

  the watched eyes all the time and the [TS]

  one in the success seems to be ok so far [TS]

  as far as i know i don't think we've [TS]

  heard anything about that but I wouldn't [TS]

  necessarily rule out that a new tactic [TS]

  engine that hit that is going to be used [TS]

  way more will somehow fail less than a [TS]

  simple button we don't think we know [TS]

  that yet maybe Apple knows that from [TS]

  their own testing I don't know but I [TS]

  think in the real world we have yet to [TS]

  see that it stands to reason that [TS]

  something that sealed inside is better [TS]

  than something that's your monkey [TS]

  fingers are touching especially like [TS]

  buttons when you press them you open up [TS]

  a little gap for all sorts of like [TS]

  linkedin crumbs and mark and stuff to [TS]

  get into its way easier to make a [TS]

  internally sealed thing like the I [TS]

  remember that the bad vibrating things [TS]

  in a watch but those that sounds like an [TS]

  early model miniaturization problem i [TS]

  also wonder if if the taptic engine [TS]

  feels a little bit weaker than normal [TS]

  does that you know that people care does [TS]

  that hurt the resale value of your of [TS]

  your phone I don't know [TS]

  anyway this is that like that one [TS]

  article i don't know if there's any [TS]

  truth behind this but in my own personal [TS]

  life I have learned again one messing [TS]

  with the the settings for iOS 10 the [TS]

  people have weird ways of unlocking [TS]

  their devices that you don't learn until [TS]

  something changes about you have a [TS]

  discussion with it [TS]

  my wife presses the sleep/wake button [TS]

  and then put your finger on the touch ID [TS]

  doesn't make sense to me like why is she [TS]

  like this is this pre I was ten right [TS]

  that's her that's her pattern picks up [TS]

  the last same here front presses touch [TS]

  wake and then just touch ID I pick the [TS]

  thing up put my thumb and I on the touch [TS]

  ID button press it to wake with the [TS]

  thing up and just leave my thumb there [TS]

  to unlock it right so i'm i'm only going [TS]

  to one place and I'm going to the top [TS]

  and then to the bottom i'm just going to [TS]

  the very bottom LOL okay I can explain [TS]

  why I out well for me anyway why that is [TS]

  so I'll sleep-wake if I want to just see [TS]

  notifications and not instant clear them [TS]

  and then if I know that I don't really [TS]

  give a crap what notifications i have [TS]

  maybe i just looked at my phone 30 [TS]

  seconds ago [TS]

  then I'll do what you described John and [TS]

  just mash my finger down on that on the [TS]

  home button and I'll just power right [TS]

  through to the home screen but in the [TS]

  case that I'm kid I care about [TS]

  notifications and again like you said [TS]

  pretty iOS 10 i would use the sleep/wake [TS]

  button to just turn the screen on let me [TS]

  see what i'm doing and then if I want to [TS]

  act on one or perhaps just use my phone [TS]

  is then i will put my finger on the home [TS]

  button and and unlock it does this habit [TS]

  come from the superfast touch ID sensor [TS]

  were you doing it before the success [TS]

  it's a great question [TS]

  I I definitely think it was influenced [TS]

  by the superfast touch ID i would say i [TS]

  don't remember doing it before the [TS]

  success I think I retrain myself after I [TS]

  got the success [TS]

  yeah maybe I'll change the 1i have the [TS]

  faster sensor on the sex i don't have [TS]

  those problems i can if the same thing I [TS]

  just wanna like what's on the screen i [TS]

  was hit and doesn't go [TS]

  that's enough so it's a problem and my [TS]

  son refuses to use touch ID he enters [TS]

  his code every time people seriously he [TS]

  hits the sleep/wake button then he wants [TS]

  to iOS 10 people what he wanted to do [TS]

  was how do i get to the to the screen [TS]

  that has the numbers right so we get to [TS]

  sleep wake button and my god for Swiper [TS]

  whatever to get to the number thing he [TS]

  has an ipad with touch ID doesn't use [TS]

  that's crazy to me huh [TS]

  I think he feels like the numbers are [TS]

  more reliable like they work every time [TS]

  and he's not pausing and waiting it's [TS]

  kind of you know the way my jeans for [TS]

  this like that you should never waiting [TS]

  it doesn't wanna be waiting for the [TS]

  computer and so putting your finger and [TS]

  touching and waiting to see if it [TS]

  succeeds and picking up and putting it [TS]

  down it's like the the numbers are [TS]

  deterministic it's going to take the [TS]

  same amount of time every time during [TS]

  that time he's always doing something [TS]

  like he's not waiting even though if you [TS]

  were to stop watching probably faster to [TS]

  touch ID you know it just feels like I'm [TS]

  busy i'm doing things unlock thing and [TS]

  it's probably more reliable for him he [TS]

  also has a slightly sensors got an old [TS]

  ipad alright let's see what else we got [TS]

  here a nick guy who is the next guy on [TS]

  Twitter rights in to say this iphone 7 [TS]

  smart battery cases 2365 milliamp hours [TS]

  which is up from 1877 for the iphone 6 [TS]

  didn't notice it look any bigger like [TS]

  maybe it's a little bit thicker i have [TS]

  one right here compared to the old one [TS]

  just visually it feels about the same [TS]

  the only major difference is obviously [TS]

  the the headphone jack removal and so [TS]

  it's just which of the two like line [TS]

  shape girls in the bottle instead of the [TS]

  one-line the one dot and the giant [TS]

  camera cut out those are the things that [TS]

  makes your buttons because of the [TS]

  formation giant camera cut out if you [TS]

  have a smart battery case from the [TS]

  success it will not fit seven it's [TS]

  interesting that made the battery case [TS]

  bigger on the iphone 7 which also has [TS]

  better battery life so more battery for [TS]

  everybody [TS]

  well it makes it makes it more [TS]

  reasonable of the thing to buy and it [TS]

  makes their price little more reasonable [TS]

  you know obviously you can get lots of [TS]

  Cheaper cases for look for you know all [TS]

  this money but to have only like the the [TS]

  1900 or whatever it was [TS]

  now to have a 2400 like that makes it a [TS]

  little bit better because before you [TS]

  know that the main complaints about it [TS]

  were it's ugly it's ugly it's also [TS]

  really ugly [TS]

  and also that's not a lot of capacity [TS]

  for the price so now you kind of help [TS]

  that last one it's still not a great [TS]

  bargain like price-wise if you look at [TS]

  other battery cases but as I mentioned [TS]

  before like we're totally conference in [TS]

  this family date they actually work [TS]

  really well i think if you're going to [TS]

  use a battery case on a regular basis i [TS]

  can recommend the apple one so it's nice [TS]

  that it has a little bit more capacity [TS]

  now and it doesn't feel like noticeably [TS]

  heavier I think that you're making for [TS]

  the plus it would mean obviously it [TS]

  would be really big and really heavy [TS]

  yeah but it's interesting you know that [TS]

  the the if you want if you want the the [TS]

  most battery life in a phone a regular [TS]

  6s or seven in the battery case will [TS]

  last way longer than a plus by itself i [TS]

  know that's why I think the plus needs [TS]

  it because I think of the plus as like [TS]

  and the new ipad mini right like if you [TS]

  put a plus in a battery case that you [TS]

  could actually take that in a long car [TS]

  trip and like play games on it and not [TS]

  kill it like is the plus is supposed to [TS]

  be I don't mind the humongous I don't [TS]

  mind the extra weight i just want as [TS]

  much battery life as possible and [TS]

  putting the battery case only on the [TS]

  smaller model muddies the water is like [TS]

  well you know I can read and regular [TS]

  people who are like trying to do the [TS]

  math on the milliamp hours something [TS]

  which is longer the the gigantic plus or [TS]

  the regular 7 with a lump on its back [TS]

  and the regular 71 points back wins but [TS]

  it's not obvious that excitation make it [TS]

  for the plus and they should also have [TS]

  that lump go across the entire back i [TS]

  can think of lots of reasons why they [TS]

  don't make it for the plus I mean chief [TS]

  among them is size obviously but also i [TS]

  do think there's a lot fewer people who [TS]

  need it because the plus does have [TS]

  longer battery life when the screen is [TS]

  on not by a lot but slightly longer [TS]

  better than the screen is on when the [TS]

  screen is off it has substantially more [TS]

  battery life because you know things [TS]

  like it the screen is often it's just [TS]

  doing things like playing music over [TS]

  bluetooth or something like that it's [TS]

  going to use the same amount of power as [TS]

  the res like that the small phone that [TS]

  are the medium phone at this 4.7 inch [TS]

  version the only uses more power when [TS]

  the screen is on so it has a battery [TS]

  that is sized for the screen to be on [TS]

  and to roughly match or slightly exceed [TS]

  the power of the smaller phone but if [TS]

  most of usage of the phone is with the [TS]

  screen off then it can last like fifty [TS]

  percent more [TS]

  like it'sit's a huge difference in how [TS]

  much better last that way it'll depend [TS]

  on your usage whether the battery cases [TS]

  even necessary for the plus for most [TS]

  people and i think that i think enough [TS]

  people would fall into that usage [TS]

  pattern of its not released for them [TS]

  that it there's a lot less demand for in [TS]

  addition to the massive size that it [TS]

  would be as that in the resulting device [TS]

  with the better case would be will be [TS]

  quite ridiculous and there are other [TS]

  people who make battery cases for the [TS]

  plus and they do look ridiculous [TS]

  so I totally get why Apple is not [TS]

  released theirs [TS]

  yeah i guess i'm thinking like a kid in [TS]

  the back of a car was the video games [TS]

  for a whole like three-hour car trip and [TS]

  there's going to be like burning the [TS]

  battery the entire time they love a [TS]

  better is that means it's not any bigger [TS]

  than like a you know a traditional [TS]

  handheld game thing like this that are [TS]

  sitting there they were already there [TS]

  are to accept the plus like why not why [TS]

  not just carry around a 12.5 inch iPad [TS]

  pro with you everywhere [TS]

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  ah so some people have noticed that your [TS]

  wishes have been granted John and the [TS]

  Apple leather case now has metal buttons [TS]

  for the iphone 7 that was my wish though [TS]

  when i was talking about my by pimply [TS]

  iphone 6 leather case that look really [TS]

  good right up until maybe three months [TS]

  ago and started to get all roughly for [TS]

  some reason it was in the discussion of [TS]

  the home button like how does it feel to [TS]

  press the button that doesn't actually [TS]

  move on a small device like this and i [TS]

  was saying that I'm I my roughly case [TS]

  when i press the volume buttons like [TS]

  nothing moves like I'm basically just [TS]

  applying pressure to these lumps and [TS]

  what I was saying I was like back to [TS]

  this got like why why did the volume [TS]

  buttons that iphone 7 move it off the [TS]

  homeland doesn't want the volume buttons [TS]

  know what I was saying is that i think [TS]

  it would be okay if on the iphone 7 the [TS]

  volume buttons didn't move the [TS]

  sleep/wake button didn't move like they [TS]

  were just pressure sensitive because [TS]

  obviously I'm okay with it on my 67 it [TS]

  doesn't bother me [TS]

  not only am i okay with myself I can't [TS]

  even feel the edges of these bots are [TS]

  likely just like the slightly more [TS]

  raised pimply area like they're very [TS]

  indistinct if they had sharply creased [TS]

  cut buttons that just did not move and [TS]

  we're pressure-sensitive I think I would [TS]

  be okay with that and so an apple was it [TS]

  like a few moving parts right everybody [TS]

  loves it but instead what they did with [TS]

  the Apple other cases for the iphone 7 [TS]

  is they made it so I don't have to deal [TS]

  with these roughly things anymore now [TS]

  you've got a nice metal buttons which I [TS]

  think they did on the they did on the [TS]

  bumper maybe are the head i think the [TS]

  bumper had some other kind of Pastor [TS]

  thing where there was like a a hard [TS]

  physical thing that when you pressed [TS]

  with slide down and press the button [TS]

  that was underneath rather than coding [TS]

  over with leather but anyway I think [TS]

  you're right to shoot that is sure to be [TS]

  that the new case is obviously an [TS]

  improvement [TS]

  sure to feel better it certainly looks [TS]

  better to have metal buttons poking out [TS]

  of your leather case and I bet those [TS]

  won't have the same problem of getting [TS]

  gross but I still maintain that even [TS]

  more than the home button i think is the [TS]

  home button haven't tried it maybe I [TS]

  hated right but the volume and power [TS]

  buttons i've been using essentially [TS]

  non-moving volume and power buttons for [TS]

  a long time now and I'm totally fine [TS]

  with it [TS]

  on the other hand in my phone doesn't [TS]

  vibrate when i press meters that [TS]

  probably helps so if on the fancy 10th [TS]

  anniversary iphone 8 or whatever iphone [TS]

  7s or they call it if that has [TS]

  sleep-wake and volume buttons don't move [TS]

  i'm already on board with that home [TS]

  button curious too long as I'm driving [TS]

  alright are the lightning earpods [TS]

  digital and follow-on why do we care [TS]

  I can mostly for curiosity I mean the [TS]

  automarketer do have an audio reason to [TS]

  care [TS]

  not really I mean so basically the [TS]

  through various like statements ramble [TS]

  PR representatives and various things [TS]

  confirmed by various people the original [TS]

  story that that we had heard and read [TS]

  and talked about on the show that Makka [TS]

  Torah reported like forever ago that the [TS]

  iphone 7 lightning port was going to be [TS]

  special and it was going to have a mode [TS]

  where it could output analog audio over [TS]

  the pins and therefore the the the [TS]

  devices put into it like the the new [TS]

  lighting headphones and the headphone [TS]

  adapter could be really really simple [TS]

  that is apparently not the case that [TS]

  apparently all waiting for treated the [TS]

  same this port is not different from the [TS]

  rest of them [TS]

  he's not in that way as far as we know [TS]

  and it does it end at the the Lightning [TS]

  headphones and the lightning to [TS]

  headphone adapter for nine dollars are [TS]

  both full digital lighting devices that [TS]

  include an audio DAC and a little mini [TS]

  amp in there a lot of people have asked [TS]

  me what I think about this whether it's [TS]

  possible whether it's good because it's [TS]

  so cheap and the quick answer is you [TS]

  know with a disclaimer that i'm not an [TS]

  expert in manufacturing little Jack amp [TS]

  chips are very plentiful very common and [TS]

  very cheap and the one on the phone [TS]

  before was already not like a [TS]

  fifty-dollar DAC you're anything like me [TS]

  know that the parts in a phoner most of [TS]

  the most of them are very very cheap [TS]

  parts and the little audio codec chip [TS]

  that was in there is almost certainly a [TS]

  you know not not very expensive part to [TS]

  begin with the one that they put in the [TS]

  headphone adapter which also need must [TS]

  include a sec go in the other direction [TS]

  because microphone involved so the but [TS]

  the ones the one they put in there is [TS]

  probably going to be similar quality [TS]

  than the one they have already the phone [TS]

  I I don't expect it to be noticeably [TS]

  different i'm generally Adak quality [TS]

  skeptic a lot of audio people think that [TS]

  you have to have a really amazing [TS]

  complicated and key factor here [TS]

  expensive DAC and / amp or both in order [TS]

  to have good audio performance and and [TS]

  I'm generally a skeptic on Jackson amps [TS]

  it is very very rare that I ever hear [TS]

  any difference whatsoever even with very [TS]

  good ones vs very crappy ones it is [TS]

  extremely rare to hear a difference [TS]

  whatsoever and on the headphones that [TS]

  almost everybody is using with their [TS]

  iphones it would be extremely difficult [TS]

  for anybody ever to notice a real [TS]

  difference between Jax and apps so that [TS]

  being said it is indeed totally possible [TS]

  for Apple to to make and sell a whole [TS]

  bunch of little crappy adapters for nine [TS]

  dollars that include a digital that ship [TS]

  in there especially since Apple [TS]

  themselves do not need to pay the mfi [TS]

  licensing fee for the Lightning chips in [TS]

  there so that also helps a lot [TS]

  I'd for that reason alone I don't expect [TS]

  to see a lot of third party ones that [TS]

  are near that price point but we will [TS]

  find out I guess so the interesting [TS]

  thing to me about this technically is [TS]

  someone of the potential promises of [TS]

  digital audio is you can convert from [TS]

  digital to analog sort of at the last [TS]

  second [TS]

  right so you don't have to worry about [TS]

  transmitting an audio signal over [TS]

  potentially long wire very thin wire [TS]

  probably doesn't have you know that not [TS]

  particularly sturdy wire they could [TS]

  potentially fray or you know I good [TS]

  everyone's had headphones or one year [TS]

  starts cutting out or like the wire [TS]

  starts to fray or or if you have like a [TS]

  plug thing you plug things into your car [TS]

  with write those wires coming out [TS]

  because they're not super heavy duty and [TS]

  if what you're transmitting over there [TS]

  is analog audio as you're wearing down [TS]

  that wire or something bad is happening [TS]

  to his passing close to something that's [TS]

  magnetic or whatever it can mess with [TS]

  your signal and start to sound more so [TS]

  this is theoretical right but it could [TS]

  happen and so I go we'll send digital [TS]

  digital robust we got to do is be able [TS]

  to distinguish between a1 and a0 it's [TS]

  much easier than maintaining the fine [TS]

  details of frequency and amplitude of an [TS]

  analog signal and then just the last [TS]

  second before it goes into ears will [TS]

  convert that with our tiny little decks [TS]

  into an analog signal did we say that is [TS]

  digital-to-analog converter get enough [TS]

  people know that but that's what we're [TS]

  saying we're saying all caps the AC [TS]

  right in and so you have to understand [TS]

  that in order to hear audio you need to [TS]

  go from ones and zeros into a wave in [TS]

  into something that that a speaker can [TS]

  play and so the debate is is the [TS]

  conversion from digital to analog by a [TS]

  digital-to-analog converter DAC or DAC [TS]

  does that happen in the phone does that [TS]

  happen after leaves the phone so with [TS]

  what's coming out of the phone through [TS]

  the Lightning port is just ones and [TS]

  zeros and then eventually gets converted [TS]

  that's that's the crux of the [TS]

  conversation right and and there's lots [TS]

  of different ways to do that it is not [TS]

  actually a simple problem electrically [TS]

  to solve two to convert those 10 is to [TS]

  the corresponding waves the main reality [TS]

  of it though is that even though there's [TS]

  lots of fancy Dax that can that can do [TS]

  like a more accurate job that can [TS]

  measure better on on like you know [TS]

  official scientific measurement [TS]

  machinery the crappy cheap like two [TS]

  dollar back and chips all-in-one do a [TS]

  good enough job that most people can't [TS]

  hear the difference and you'll find that [TS]

  Marco prefers digital analog converters [TS]

  that have tubes in them because it gives [TS]

  that nice warm rich sound that you don't [TS]

  get otherwise [TS]

  actually I hate tubes their giant pain [TS]

  in the butt they pick up static they [TS]

  they burn out there asymmetric sometimes [TS]

  that they're cheap to suck i'm all [TS]

  solid-state over here just messing with [TS]

  you and I continued job so the nine [TS]

  dollar adapter now that we that we have [TS]

  learned basically conclusively that has [TS]

  a little digital analog converter [TS]

  indicted but what's being said that [TS]

  lighting farts digital raises the [TS]

  question where is the deck in the wire [TS]

  to your pods that come [TS]

  it could be that the DAC is in the [TS]

  Lightning connector and it's still [TS]

  sending [TS]

  analog audio across the wire to the wire [TS]

  headphones so it only gets like oh yes [TS]

  seven millimeters out of the phone [TS]

  before its converted by the not the back [TS]

  in the phone but by what is presumably [TS]

  and even cheaper DAC that's like seven [TS]

  millimeters away and then it just sends [TS]

  out you know or they could also be in [TS]

  the earphones I don't know where it is [TS]

  like we I really want i fix it slices [TS]

  open to see what that goes inside them [TS]

  but it would be kind of weird to to [TS]

  bundle the thing with like you know [TS]

  quote-unquote digital ear pods that [TS]

  merely move the DAC slightly outside the [TS]

  case [TS]

  oh yeah no that'sthat's all marketing BS [TS]

  of course it is very very likely that [TS]

  the DAC is in the Lightning connector [TS]

  end of it [TS]

  yeah that is extremely likely be you [TS]

  know just based on the way other [TS]

  lightning peripherals are built that is [TS]

  that is very likely the case the fact is [TS]

  this isn't really solving a real problem [TS]

  just like fancied I fancied acts and [TS]

  fancy answer portable headphones I don't [TS]

  need more amps than what the phone can [TS]

  provide like this is solving fake [TS]

  problem-solving you know placebo [TS]

  problems for most people you know that [TS]

  the fact is you're not going to pick up [TS]

  a meaningful amount of analog noise that [TS]

  will be audible in your headphones from [TS]

  the six feet of cable at best that are [TS]

  running from the phone to your crappy [TS]

  earpods his which is way more likely [TS]

  that any flaws in your sound will be [TS]

  masked by how crappy those drivers then [TS]

  then being audible Bayou the practical [TS]

  reality of it would only be in the [TS]

  failure modes for people who are like [TS]

  there-there pets are chewing on their [TS]

  wires are they get caught in card or [TS]

  whatever any other sort of cable abuse [TS]

  the failure mode for analog is like [TS]

  staticky or whatever and I the failure [TS]

  mode for digital sounds different [TS]

  essentially like yeah let's say that it [TS]

  anything that would cause noticeable [TS]

  degradation of sound in the analog from [TS]

  cable damage would destroy the digital [TS]

  signal also because you're talking like [TS]

  you know shorts and phrase and [TS]

  everything there's no way but it sounds [TS]

  different [TS]

  it's a difference between static which [TS]

  we all know from our childhood and the [TS]

  manufacturer static that comes over with [TS]

  mpeg-2 compression with the I'm not [TS]

  picked up and says you know when you [TS]

  turn them on they have this steak and [TS]

  egg of static but static is like the [TS]

  worst-case scenario for video [TS]

  compression algorithm say look stupid [TS]

  but anyway yeah like I can imagine the [TS]

  failure modes sounding different one [TS]

  possible way they sound different [TS]

  he's like oh if if the thing is damaged [TS]

  enough the digital can't get through you [TS]

  hear nothing or it cuts out or whatever [TS]

  but I don't even know that to be the [TS]

  case but I do know that they would sound [TS]

  different because analog has a different [TS]

  sort of degradation you know anyway all [TS]

  that just means you should get your [TS]

  gonna set of headphones because if your [TS]

  water is damaged or wires damage it [TS]

  doesn't really make a difference but [TS]

  academically it's interesting to think [TS]

  about this whole because i was one of [TS]

  things that all the digital audio it [TS]

  didn't really push not too much but like [TS]

  the digital audio is better than analog [TS]

  audio and really like Marco said it [TS]

  doesn't matter at all for these tiny let [TS]

  your pods because the sound quality is [TS]

  so bad relatively speaking that all [TS]

  these other things are ridiculous and [TS]

  don't make a big difference but it [TS]

  doesn't matter from Apple's parts [TS]

  perspective if they could have like I [TS]

  mean I'm sure they could have I'm [TS]

  interested in why they chose to go with [TS]

  tiny little Dax instead of repurposing [TS]

  the pins or maybe really wasn't possible [TS]

  i don't know but like certainly if [TS]

  you're going to pinch pennies you can [TS]

  make an even cheaper connector without [TS]

  little chips in it right they could have [TS]

  gone that route but they didn't commit [TS]

  you know maybe they don't maybe just [TS]

  they they've used up all their pins and [TS]

  resistor combinations on lightning and [TS]

  didn't have the ability to repurpose it [TS]

  in that way or maybe they really are all [TS]

  on board with a digital thing and they [TS]

  just want to say no this its digital [TS]

  from now on and even if its digital only [TS]

  until it gets a couple millimeters [TS]

  outside the phone [TS]

  that's fine yeah I mean it's probably a [TS]

  combination of you know just not having [TS]

  anything modified about the phone having [TS]

  it be compatible with any lightning [TS]

  output on any model phone so if you plug [TS]

  it into you know also an ipad or maybe [TS]

  down the road of Max have lightning port [TS]

  that would be kind of cool you know and [TS]

  stuff like that [TS]

  compatibility in that way and also i [TS]

  think the chip is just so cheap that it [TS]

  doesn't really matter like i really [TS]

  don't think the difference between like [TS]

  the basic job that all lightning [TS]

  peripherals have to do to connect to [TS]

  lightning the like there's already a [TS]

  chip in the connector to do that I bet [TS]

  the difference between that and a basic [TS]

  deck amp is really not that big about [TS]

  the cost of the metal lightning [TS]

  connector is more than the cost of the [TS]

  chip probably like different from [TS]

  Apple's respected in terms of like what [TS]

  it takes to manufacture because those [TS]

  little packs of they probably [TS]

  them for fractions of a cent each but to [TS]

  manufacture lightning connector to the [TS]

  tolerance is required for those little [TS]

  contacts on it that's probably the most [TS]

  expensive part of that entire you know [TS]

  $9 connect their from a perspective [TS]

  yeah fair enough let's talk about those [TS]

  air pods which are the wire free version [TS]

  of the Lightning year pods we were just [TS]

  discussing they have wire they just move [TS]

  it now you have a wire to charge up the [TS]

  case that the beer pong plug into so you [TS]

  have this intermediary object that's [TS]

  required for you that has a wire it's [TS]

  not a wire it's a whole well okay but [TS]

  there's going to be a wire involved to [TS]

  that that's the magic flute with it just [TS]

  it just moves the wires around what do [TS]

  you park your car parking my car whole [TS]

  good three [TS]

  Wow alright so regardless of whether or [TS]

  not their wireless captain pedantic the [TS]

  question at hand at the moment is do [TS]

  they or do they not have start stop and [TS]

  skip controls from what I've understood [TS]

  they do sort of so if you take if you [TS]

  have both air pods in your ears and take [TS]

  one of them out by default it will pause [TS]

  whatever you're listening to unless it's [TS]

  a telephone call I presume and and you [TS]

  can choose to restart that via your [TS]

  phone or watch or serious pose in and [TS]

  then if you restart it with both [TS]

  headphones out of your I'm sorry with [TS]

  one hand airport out of your ear then it [TS]

  would convert to mono or alternatively [TS]

  if you say are trying to listen to [TS]

  someone who's talking to you pop one out [TS]

  and then pop it back in then it will [TS]

  automatically start playing again but [TS]

  skipping and volume control all of that [TS]

  is done either via Siri or via the phone [TS]

  or watch as far as I understood is that [TS]

  what you guys had as well [TS]

  yeah the presentation they didn't all [TS]

  they showed with the but was exactly [TS]

  what you described in the presentation [TS]

  and I was hoping in the hands-on area [TS]

  that I would get more details and when I [TS]

  did they basically i go to a case he [TS]

  said that like that what i'm looking for [TS]

  is not there that you can do everything [TS]

  you said and you can talk to Siri and [TS]

  that's it i'm looking forward to hearing [TS]

  stories about people who are on a bus [TS]

  full of other airports users and hear [TS]

  everybody say Casey skip forward a sick [TS]

  skip forward a sec wait to get back yeah [TS]

  is that this is what's making like the [TS]

  air pods i totally want to try them this [TS]

  is like that's what I've been talking [TS]

  about with the wireless thing i would [TS]

  love that and yet i don't i can't get [TS]

  excited about them if I don't have the [TS]

  ability to pause and change volume I [TS]

  don't care about skip forward and get [TS]

  back all i care about his paws and [TS]

  change volume pausing by taking the ear [TS]

  part out [TS]

  talk about a way to lose your bonds [TS]

  don't do it like I'm not thats i'm not [TS]

  going to do that right it being able to [TS]

  tap you can attack you can tap the pause [TS]

  can you or can you not even do that I [TS]

  think there's something like that yeah [TS]

  Dino I did I thought it was strictly [TS]

  taking one out in order to pause yeah [TS]

  that is not like I don't know again none [TS]

  of us have them so we can't tell but [TS]

  it's like it's tapped to talk to [TS]

  seriously I don't want to talk to Siri I [TS]

  i just want to pause playback and [TS]

  changing volume it happens if you're [TS]

  walking around like you happen to come [TS]

  to annoy section we're closer to a road [TS]

  you need to go up one notch on the [TS]

  volume I don't want to talk to Siri to [TS]

  do that it's like having two it's like [TS]

  having to have a conversation with [TS]

  somebody to try to like pick a forkful [TS]

  food up into your mouth like it's like [TS]

  just let me do it it's one little click [TS]

  on the little thingy [TS]

  I don't add tension the volume of Siri [TS]

  is the worst use of speech anyway the [TS]

  point is these things have [TS]

  accelerometers in them and I desperately [TS]

  hope that a future software update [TS]

  enables more useful functionality and [TS]

  their pods if what we're all saying that [TS]

  we think the way things work is this is [TS]

  the truth because not being able to [TS]

  positive change volume means I i just [TS]

  want by these like I i already know [TS]

  before buying them at all that I'm not [TS]

  going to talk to Siri to do either one [TS]

  of those functions ever well but why [TS]

  couldn't you reach into your pocket and [TS]

  use the physical buttons on your phone i [TS]

  mean if you could easily discover where [TS]

  they are and hit them [TS]

  I can't go back to that are you kidding [TS]

  sometimes all you know it's about that [TS]

  in my back pocket someone know like the [TS]

  little out i will prefer to use the wire [TS]

  thing with little Claire like this it's [TS]

  no I so it's really depressing me [TS]

  because it's not like it was like well [TS]

  how could they do it they have a way to [TS]

  do it [TS]

  they have a thing that you can tap but [TS]

  tapping and by all means make this [TS]

  default tab for series the default but [TS]

  then have a setting somewhere like the [TS]

  iOS at home but this is actually what [TS]

  tap does pauses and then for volume up [TS]

  and down enough to tap street i'm going [TS]

  to tap little thing in my ear however [TS]

  many times you want [TS]

  obviously has been tapping it but play [TS]

  pause in volume pls a place there's Cena [TS]

  in all my searches and tests of good [TS]

  bluetooth headphones is it is pretty [TS]

  much impossible to find any that have [TS]

  good controls for playback and stuff [TS]

  like that [TS]

  there they exist but there's very few [TS]

  because the main thing is in order to [TS]

  have like good reachable you know usable [TS]

  reliable controls for seeking and volume [TS]

  and everything else you really physical [TS]

  buttons like you need real physical [TS]

  buttons in some kind of logical [TS]

  arrangement you can feel on the [TS]

  headphone when you're walking so that [TS]

  you can just like hit and and not even [TS]

  you know not have to think about it and [TS]

  not miss not have to have a weird touch [TS]

  gesture or anything weird like that and [TS]

  most have my manufacturers don't do this [TS]

  because I i guess more parts to have [TS]

  buttons but also I think one of the main [TS]

  reasons that just makes it uglier and [TS]

  manufacturers are all doing these weird [TS]

  like overly clever overly designed [TS]

  things with like touch gestures and [TS]

  various like tap commands and everything [TS]

  but by far the best headphones i have to [TS]

  walk with and listen to podcasts on are [TS]

  these ugly really crappy sounding [TS]

  sennheiser PX 210 bt's that are now [TS]

  discontinued but the new the sennheiser [TS]

  MM 400 and 450 are very similar [TS]

  they have these just nice big buttons on [TS]

  the earcup and it's great i use those [TS]

  every day when I'm walking listen to [TS]

  podcast because it is so nice to just be [TS]

  able to reach up and feel the buttons [TS]

  and just hit the one and have it work [TS]

  everytime always hit the right one it is [TS]

  so so nice and the advantage of [TS]

  bluetooth is that you can do that if you [TS]

  have wired headphones there is no [TS]

  protocol that that Apple defines 4y [TS]

  headphone makers for them to like have [TS]

  buttons to do anything else besides a [TS]

  single click thing but bluetooth [TS]

  headphones have that spec built-in like [TS]

  a bluetooth headphone can do that but it [TS]

  requires some kind of large control and [TS]

  usually ugly big buttons refer to be any [TS]

  good on their pods there isn't room for [TS]

  that and even if there was room for that [TS]

  there is no way Apple to Apple released [TS]

  a phone [TS]

  on with no headphone jack and no buttons [TS]

  on it and then have an heir have [TS]

  airports this giant wall buttons on them [TS]

  no way so I'm being told via the chat [TS]

  that you can in settings turn off [TS]

  Cirie and turn on double tap to pause [TS]

  cool [TS]

  tipsters very adamant about that setting [TS]

  is there so that's nice to know that [TS]

  puts me back on the fence about buying [TS]

  them that solves one of the reasons that [TS]

  you might want to write is that volume [TS]

  is still out there but play/pause that [TS]

  goes fifty percent of the way there [TS]

  because I I need to be able to do that [TS]

  and I don't quit maybe I just having [TS]

  marine of articles about her maybe not [TS]

  enough people have their products yet [TS]

  know people have them that they're [TS]

  separating the amount to a separate [TS]

  review or perhaps I guess i have read [TS]

  those yet but anyway i'm happy to hear [TS]

  that i'm back on schedule to potentially [TS]

  buy them [TS]

  volume i'm not quite sure how they [TS]

  didn't put that two taps a triple tap [TS]

  Bob I don't quite know i'm not sure if i [TS]

  can give that up I'm gonna have to start [TS]

  keeping track of how often I raise the [TS]

  volume i have the little clicker online [TS]

  my bose headphones for plane flights to [TS]

  and I'm also glad that I have that [TS]

  clicker because my phone is like in my [TS]

  pocket or like somewhere tucked away [TS]

  like I can't really get to it easily and [TS]

  frequently i pause it and put the volume [TS]

  up and volume down over the course of [TS]

  the whole flight [TS]

  those seem like basic functions to me I [TS]

  would wear parts on on a plane anyway [TS]

  because i don't have that noise [TS]

  cancelling but yeah it's it's a problem [TS]

  to be solved for sure I don't want to [TS]

  wire dangling from it and like Marco [TS]

  said I don't want buttons they're not [TS]

  going to put buttons on it [TS]

  sure you don't want buttons on it cause [TS]

  how would you find them on these little [TS]

  tiny earpods i can imagine maybe [TS]

  squeezing little lens like they were [TS]

  Scratchy [TS]

  I mean trust me like you you don't want [TS]

  them to come up with clever gestures [TS]

  because they won't work on things that [TS]

  are that small they're not going to work [TS]

  reliably it's not gesture it would be a [TS]

  physical button like a physical squeeze [TS]

  a little you know like they're squishy [TS]

  ends of a little squishy enzyme you know [TS]

  rubber little rubberized things anyway [TS]

  maybe that could be stopped and then tap [TS]

  anyway [TS]

  well what was the other one but then [TS]

  what happens when you're in mono because [TS]

  one of the benefits to my mind of the [TS]

  air pods is that they will gracefully [TS]

  switch to mono if you so desire and so [TS]

  then how do you which which end you [TS]

  squeezing the you squeezing the top end [TS]

  of the headphone of the the mono yo [TS]

  earpiece to go up in the bottom two go [TS]

  down like that's never going to work the [TS]

  right answer this unfortunately for you [TS]

  to is just use your darn watch but since [TS]

  neither of you believe in the Apple [TS]

  watch then that that doesn't really help [TS]

  us commerce and then the phone [TS]

  actually now I would rather do the phone [TS]

  to be honest with you even though I do [TS]

  love my Apple watch it would be easier [TS]

  to do it on the phone if i could just [TS]

  turn the crown to do volume up and down [TS]

  well actually I suppose my watch is [TS]

  actually low power mode for the first [TS]

  time possibly ever but i'm in any case [TS]

  if you left up the now playing glance [TS]

  app thing I think you would be able to [TS]

  just raise your wrist and in fumble with [TS]

  the crown but I I'm not a hundred [TS]

  percent sure about that [TS]

  I don't either way I mean to be honest [TS]

  it to me the easiest answer is to just [TS]

  use the volume buttons on your phone i [TS]

  agree with you that it is kind of weird [TS]

  not to have any ability to change the [TS]

  volume on the device itself since we've [TS]

  all been programmed to be used to being [TS]

  able to reach to approximately arch in [TS]

  and grab the little you know Bubba see [TS]

  part of the cord and do it there but I [TS]

  am NOT as bothered / offended by this is [TS]

  you seem to be there was a lot of [TS]

  contention both online and amongst like [TS]

  personal friends of mine [TS]

  oh this is ridiculous apple is making a [TS]

  new standard and using their own [TS]

  proprietary junk blah blah blah why does [TS]

  Apple hate everyone was happily Apple [TS]

  hate open blah blah blah so the air pods [TS]

  do use regular old bluetooth just like [TS]

  everything else now they do sprinkle of [TS]

  fair helping of special sauce on top and [TS]

  hopefully Marco you can fill in a little [TS]

  bit about the Codex that they're using [TS]

  because some of my neck beard audiophile [TS]

  friends are very perturbed with some of [TS]

  the codec related things but really the [TS]

  thing yeah the thing i wanted that that [TS]

  I want to make clear which I don't think [TS]

  we were very clear on last episode is [TS]

  that their pods do use bluetooth friend [TS]

  i'm actually now quoting the really good [TS]

  BuzzFeed are [TS]

  goal about why Apple kill the air the [TS]

  headphone jack earpods use bluetooth for [TS]

  their connection bluetooth headphones [TS]

  have historically suffered from a conga [TS]

  line of connectivity problems honors [TS]

  pairing dropped connections crappy sound [TS]

  apples confident solve that the mall [TS]

  with that w one chip quote as you can [TS]

  imagine by developing our own Bluetooth [TS]

  chip and controlling both ends the [TS]

  pairing process there's a lot of magic [TS]

  we can do quote somebody named turnus [TS]

  says quote we use a bluetooth connection [TS]

  recovered in a lot of secret sauce and [TS]

  if you haven't read that article it's [TS]

  not terribly long and very very worth it [TS]

  so it is regular bluetooth and [TS]

  apparently there's a little button on [TS]

  the back of the case of little pillbox [TS]

  that you can either press and hold down [TS]

  in order to prepare the air pods with [TS]

  any traditional bluetooth device [TS]

  yeah that was totally not clear from the [TS]

  talk from the presentation because the [TS]

  word bluetooth I my from my recollection [TS]

  was not even spoken during the [TS]

  presentation all they said is wow we [TS]

  wireless things and we have another one [TS]

  of those chips that's like a letter in a [TS]

  number w 1 and so it for all the world [TS]

  seemed like Apple was like look [TS]

  bluetooth sucks we have a better [TS]

  solution here it is uses w1 chips but [TS]

  very quickly after the that we learned [TS]

  actually that you want to just a [TS]

  Bluetooth chip but there is some extra [TS]

  stuff that Apple is doing to smooth over [TS]

  the parts of Bluetooth that don't work [TS]

  but it's nice that as you said that [TS]

  special sauce or whatever it is like [TS]

  other some other protocol that they used [TS]

  to negotiate and sink in handshake with [TS]

  their own devices all that just goes [TS]

  away if you take the air pods and use [TS]

  them with other devices they're just [TS]

  plain old bluetooth audio headphones you [TS]

  can buy our pods in theory and use them [TS]

  with your android phone or with any [TS]

  other thing that supports bluetooth this [TS]

  is my understanding of it anyway so how [TS]

  special is the w1 is the w1 just a [TS]

  really nice Bluetooth chip with don't [TS]

  have any extra hardware features at all [TS]

  in magic software i don't know this is [TS]

  another one of those mysteries that [TS]

  Apple's not really interested in telling [TS]

  the world about at this point I felt [TS]

  like I said they weren't even interested [TS]

  in telling the world that they were [TS]

  using bluetooth so if they have managed [TS]

  to make bluetooth to tip as they say to [TS]

  fix all the things that bother people [TS]

  about bluetooth that's just as good as [TS]

  an area [TS]

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  ah ok so i have a handful of super [TS]

  neckbeard audio nerd friends and they [TS]

  were really ticked off that the [TS]

  headphone jack was going away and that [TS]

  bluetooth was the new thing mostly [TS]

  because they felt like they were going [TS]

  to have to either have a lossy encoding [TS]

  of their source material or [TS]

  alternatively rien code even if their [TS]

  source material was lost in the first [TS]

  place [TS]

  so to back up a half step mp3's most a [TS]

  season-high recall correctly and jump in [TS]

  whenever you're ready if I if I start [TS]

  going off the rails here are our lawsuit [TS]

  which is to say they know what a human [TS]

  ear should be capable of hearing and if [TS]

  there's information that's outside the [TS]

  range of what a human ear should be able [TS]

  to hear i'll just drop it on the ground [TS]

  and just not save it not included in [TS]

  these mp3's in this AC files etc because [TS]

  in theory there's no point to having it [TS]

  you can't hear it anyway now super nerds [TS]

  when so as an example if I were to [TS]

  download a Dave Matthews Band concert i [TS]

  know that you could do this with fish as [TS]

  well they'll often try to save these [TS]

  files is flac which I forget what that [TS]

  stands for maybe you know Marie lossless [TS]

  audio codec i believe they go [TS]

  that sounds perfect in the end you can [TS]

  guess where this is going black means [TS]

  there is no loss the everything that the [TS]

  microphone or whatever mechanism that [TS]

  captured the audio could hear it gets [TS]

  saved the whole way through [TS]

  so these neckbeards these audio [TS]

  neckbeards were complaining all either [TS]

  my flax or whatever the source maybe are [TS]

  going to have to be lossy encoded and [TS]

  that's BS now losing things or if i [TS]

  start with let's say mp3 most bluetooth [TS]

  headsets don't support mp3 so then it [TS]

  gets reincarnated to something else like [TS]

  aec or what is it that's super popular [TS]

  app tax which is a terrible name then [TS]

  it's going to get really coated no [TS]

  matter what is just lost all the way [TS]

  down this is horrible and then tables [TS]

  are flipped and everyone gets angry so [TS]

  how much this is a regular person let's [TS]

  leave aside audio files for a second how [TS]

  much this is a regular person should I [TS]

  care about because i'm assuming the [TS]

  answer is zero because it's about how [TS]

  much I care right now so not only should [TS]

  you care is zero but they should care 0 [TS]

  as well and here's a bluetooth [TS]

  Additional Protocol and digital audio is [TS]

  kind of large it takes a lot of bits per [TS]

  second and so in order to improve the [TS]

  efficiency of bluetooth and save battery [TS]

  because the more we transmit more [TS]

  battery you need and and to make it you [TS]

  know less Skippy because you know you [TS]

  want to be maxing out to Paul possible [TS]

  bandwidth you want as little as possible [TS]

  meant to minimize power usage and to [TS]

  maximize reliability of the connection [TS]

  there's always different codecs that you [TS]

  can use to either lawfully or unlawfully [TS]

  compress the the audio going between [TS]

  your you're transmitting phone or [TS]

  whatever and your bluetooth headset so [TS]

  that way you can save them with an and [TS]

  have a more reliable connection better [TS]

  battery life lost lossless compression [TS]

  really does max out at roughly fifty [TS]

  percent they just bye-bye math like it's [TS]

  nearly impossible to have an average [TS]

  compression ratio that's substantially [TS]

  different than approximately 21 with lot [TS]

  with lossless compression lossy [TS]

  compression can go ten-to-one easily and [TS]

  and some of the more advanced ones even [TS]

  better so your friends are all upset [TS]

  because the idea of lawfully compressing [TS]

  audio is is horrendous to a lot of audio [TS]

  files in reality it is very very hard [TS]

  for most people to tell the difference [TS]

  even extremely well-trained people who [TS]

  know exactly what kind of artifacts to [TS]

  listen for have a very hard time often [TS]

  detecting the difference between well [TS]

  encoded mp3 or AAC file and and the [TS]

  uncompressed version or the losses are [TS]

  these losses the compressed version so [TS]

  the question of whether lossless [TS]

  compression is even necessary and [TS]

  detectable at all is certainly up for [TS]

  debate [TS]

  I i personally more towards the fact [TS]

  that lossless is a waste of space for [TS]

  almost everything and and that you know [TS]

  it's not really necessary and that most [TS]

  look at the difference anyway in the [TS]

  realm of phone audio and Bluetooth [TS]

  people blamed bluetooth headphones for [TS]

  sounding like crap on these codecs that [TS]

  they used to compress audio and it is [TS]

  generally true that the old a2dp [TS]

  standard did indeed have crappy audio [TS]

  quality because it was such a primitive [TS]

  standard so long ago that it had to have [TS]

  very simple electronics on both sides [TS]

  that one did kind of suck but since then [TS]

  we've had a few advances the apt xcode [TS]

  that you mentioned is a big one that it [TS]

  sounded concerned very good problem with [TS]

  apt x is that for these codecs to be [TS]

  supportive for playback both the phone [TS]

  and the headphones have to support them [TS]

  and there are a lot of decently high-end [TS]

  and mid-range headphones support apt x [TS]

  these days but the iphone as far as i [TS]

  know to the best of my knowledge the [TS]

  iphone doesn't support it [TS]

  there's licensing fees and patents and [TS]

  everything involved [TS]

  as far as i know last time I checked it [TS]

  didn't support it and that wasn't that [TS]

  long ago i'm guessing no i phone [TS]

  supports apt x Apple does have a license [TS]

  to use AC AC is lossy you mentioned [TS]

  earlier might be lossless know you're [TS]

  thinking of various AC containers like [TS]

  m4a that can also contain lossless audio [TS]

  like the apple lossless audio codec a [TS]

  lack oh yes that is what I'm thinking of [TS]

  yeah yeah pure AC is indeed lossy but [TS]

  it's a pretty codec it's similar in [TS]

  general like genre 2.mp3 it's it's [TS]

  slightly newer it has some advancements [TS]

  here and there so AC is a decent codec [TS]

  and the fact is that as i mentioned [TS]

  earlier about the about the DAC samsung [TS]

  phones the vast majority of bluetooth [TS]

  headphones that sound like crap sound [TS]

  like crap because of their crappy driver [TS]

  design and cheap components it's not [TS]

  because they really need a 0 higher [TS]

  fidelity being transmitted to them from [TS]

  the phone or through the codec like [TS]

  that's not the problem that heat you can [TS]

  sound way better [TS]

  even with the most basic mp3 or the most [TS]

  basic AAC encoding if you just have [TS]

  better headphones to begin with and the [TS]

  reason why your friends don't even need [TS]

  to care about this is because if they're [TS]

  truly concerned about all this crap [TS]

  anyway they probably use external Dax [TS]

  and apps on their phones which means [TS]

  that the phone not having a headphone [TS]

  jack doesn't affect them at all because [TS]

  they were already using the Lightning [TS]

  port to have USB DAC synapse you know [TS]

  that's not the case in this particular [TS]

  context i mean i agree with you but [TS]

  these particular friends of mine who in [TS]

  in there they're smart guys and I really [TS]

  do enjoy their their company but they [TS]

  are using stretch to just traditional [TS]

  headphone jacks on traditional phones [TS]

  that will then in that in that case then [TS]

  then the the adapter that the Lightning [TS]

  to fund aptor should probably be totally [TS]

  fine because then you avoid this problem [TS]

  entirely like it's not your not being [TS]

  forced to use bluetooth with the new [TS]

  phone [TS]

  you're just being forced to use the [TS]

  Lightning port or bluetooth and again [TS]

  most high-end audio files are really [TS]

  picky audio files have already been [TS]

  using USB and portable daxon amps in the [TS]

  inland port for years now [TS]

  just the ones that were using the [TS]

  headphone jack have to use a little nine [TS]

  dollar adapter that is probably using [TS]

  the [TS]

  you think the same quality deck and amp [TS]

  that was inside the fun to begin with [TS]

  yeah so for the AC transmission can it [TS]

  doesn't take an AC song and just [TS]

  transmitted as is or does it have to [TS]

  double encoded have to take an AC and [TS]

  then encode that as AC and then send it [TS]

  like is it downgrading it like I've got [TS]

  256 kill bed AC and then it's got a rien [TS]

  coded as 96 to send it over Bluetooth it [TS]

  so it is certainly possible for the for [TS]

  the software stack in involved there to [TS]

  detect whether something is AC and and [TS]

  is within all that all the right [TS]

  parameters to be compatible [TS]

  parameters to be compatible [TS]

  and you just send it with every [TS]

  compression that is possible but given [TS]

  the design of the various AV foundation [TS]

  frameworks and core audio and everything [TS]

  I think it's pretty unlikely it was [TS]

  happening it's possible because I said [TS]

  but I think it's unlikely [TS]

  so you don't think you could hear the [TS]

  difference between it if you have a [TS]

  double encoded AC because I grant that [TS]

  most people can hear the difference of a [TS]

  single AC if it's a reasonable great but [TS]

  if you had a 128 and then reincarnated [TS]

  it again and 96 a double encoded you [TS]

  think you can hear any artifacts on that [TS]

  if it's a lower bitrate and if it's [TS]

  especially if it's as low as 96 then you [TS]

  probably hear that but if it's like 128 [TS]

  160 192like in that range especially the [TS]

  higher end of that if it's like 160 I [TS]

  don't think you'd hear it but like if [TS]

  you double 160 double-double 120 like [TS]

  take a 120 and re-encoded again as 120 [TS]

  like you're getting you're getting a [TS]

  loss every time right so well not [TS]

  necessarily I mean the this so there are [TS]

  certain though they're all small there [TS]

  are small errors introduced in the in [TS]

  the decoding and encoding but the way [TS]

  most of these most these codecs work is [TS]

  by discarding frequencies that they [TS]

  don't think you'll hear or reducing [TS]

  precision and things you don't that they [TS]

  don't think you'll hear if the input [TS]

  audio is already lacking those [TS]

  frequencies or those details [TS]

  you might not actually hear it very much [TS]

  to have liked it it wouldn't it's not [TS]

  gonna be like generational awesome [TS]

  except tape like you it's it's going to [TS]

  be different errors and different [TS]

  Precision's but I bet it will be a lot [TS]

  less noticeable than you think and I've [TS]

  never done that experiment put a i'm [TS]

  assuming that if you're just to run this [TS]

  on a loop it would be like generation [TS]

  lost just a question of what's the slope [TS]

  of the line is it get crappy after five [TS]

  reading codes are just take like a [TS]

  hundred and five well sherry and and you [TS]

  hear the answer is too so it's like it's [TS]

  not it's very unlikely again it's very [TS]

  unlikely to be noticeable on even really [TS]

  good headphones and might not be [TS]

  noticeable let alone the headphones most [TS]

  people are using to listen through [TS]

  bluetooth [TS]

  I mean that the realm of bluetooth [TS]

  headphones is terrible [TS]

  there are very few that even have like [TS]

  moderately good audio quality and that's [TS]

  not because the Codex it [TS]

  because of the crappy transfers so I I [TS]

  wouldn't hold your breath on on this [TS]

  being like the answer to really anything [TS]

  it and what we're already at AAC [TS]

  apparently that's good enough for the [TS]

  vast majority of users here [TS]

  most people are not going to notice any [TS]

  difference that is actually attributable [TS]

  to the codec itself already possible [TS]

  transmission recoding it might be taking [TS]

  place i would hope that one of apple's [TS]

  advantages maybe not the w1aw three or [TS]

  whatever that once the like the minimum [TS]

  bandwidth requirement goes up a little [TS]

  bit would be to go and and take your [TS]

  mastered for itunes 246 kilobit a season [TS]

  just send them exactly as is to your [TS]

  headphones like you know that they have [TS]

  anybody could pull it off it's them [TS]

  because they were literally control [TS]

  every piece of hardware and software in [TS]

  that chain and even though it may be [TS]

  simpler just so just eww just university [TS]

  in code everything and it will be fine [TS]

  being able to do that is something like [TS]

  it out in a presentation and whether or [TS]

  not you know they've been relocated [TS]

  audiophiles a little bit whether or not [TS]

  you would actually hear the double [TS]

  encoding especially if they got to the [TS]

  point where they can handle the band [TS]

  with 256 it just seems like it would be [TS]

  more efficient to not have to encode it [TS]

  just send it as is if they know it's AC [TS]

  already in it and like you said it fits [TS]

  within whatever the bandwidth [TS]

  constraints are ya sure I mean it's a [TS]

  family trait is also like a AC has a lot [TS]

  of optional features just like all the [TS]

  crappy video codec complexities out [TS]

  there is always optional features and [TS]

  and like kind of a spec things you might [TS]

  get in a bit stream so there is also a [TS]

  good technical reason why they would [TS]

  want to just always transcode what they [TS]

  receive into a certain profile that they [TS]

  know their support on the other end but [TS]

  and also you know I think again with the [TS]

  design of these AP is it would be [TS]

  difficult to to have a way to pass [TS]

  through the the original like lawfully [TS]

  encoded data before that without [TS]

  decoding at first like all the way [TS]

  through AV player and everything like [TS]

  there might be some of that involved do [TS]

  things like surround pass through but I [TS]

  doubt there's much of it and and that [TS]

  would just be complexity for this very [TS]

  minor gain that most people wouldn't [TS]

  notice [TS]

  all descend very very slightly probably [TS]

  imperceptibly better sound too crappy [TS]

  little earbud drivers are file sponsor [TS]

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  sponsoring our show ah alright so [TS]

  apparently there's a jobs related story [TS]

  about the air pod design philosophy [TS]

  Steve Jobs not jobs related job style i [TS]

  was thinking after the presentation of [TS]

  the earpods was if Steve Jobs had given [TS]

  that presentation with one thing you [TS]

  like to do when interesting hardware [TS]

  products is to say something especially [TS]

  if it's like a funny or interesting [TS]

  anecdote about the process of designing [TS]

  it like why did we decide this product [TS]

  should look like the way you see it now [TS]

  and what did we know what was our [TS]

  thinking we thought of this the obvious [TS]

  idea what [TS]

  you reject that why don't we go with [TS]

  this that the probably most famous one [TS]

  is discussions maybe wasn't giving the [TS]

  keynote but subsequently about the the [TS]

  flat panel I'm acting on those on time [TS]

  magazine cover the leaked a little [TS]

  semicircle base and then the screen and [TS]

  talking about you [TS]

  the obvious that was the presentation [TS]

  the obvious thing was just to take a big [TS]

  screen and put computers and it's crap [TS]

  on the back of it but they didn't like [TS]

  that so they really thought you know [TS]

  anyway the earpods the obvious story to [TS]

  me is I you know if you can like make up [TS]

  the design things like we're gonna have [TS]

  these things in our ears and not going [TS]

  to have wires like that seems like [TS]

  that's the premise right there's not [TS]

  going to be wires on them at all there's [TS]

  going to be things in the ears the part [TS]

  that goes in your ears probably going to [TS]

  be the same shape that we figured out [TS]

  for the year positive overboard about [TS]

  the rest of the fireplace for battery [TS]

  and for all the chips and stuff like [TS]

  that [TS]

  what shape should these be a lot of the [TS]

  ones that are on the market that are [TS]

  similar to the air pods are shaped like [TS]

  snails or little turds or acorn some of [TS]

  them some of them have sticks coming out [TS]

  of them but you can imagine if you start [TS]

  with a clean slate and and say what [TS]

  shape should we make the little things [TS]

  that poking your ears does lots of [TS]

  possibilities because obviously the part [TS]

  is not in your ear can be almost any [TS]

  shape they're not going to be that big [TS]

  he wanted to look nice and to be easy to [TS]

  grab and taking it out and I can imagine [TS]

  of Steve Jobs was there he would show [TS]

  slides of other competitors think they [TS]

  look like snails and say but we decided [TS]

  not to do that you know we thought about [TS]

  intransitive designs but in the end we [TS]

  realized the the solutions that sitting [TS]

  there right in front of us just take the [TS]

  earpods that we know and love slip and [TS]

  cut off the wires done because [TS]

  conveniently the little white stem thing [TS]

  is a perfect place for a cylindrical [TS]

  battery and lucky apple finally gets to [TS]

  make a cylindrical battery yes they did [TS]

  for the pencil to don't even know if [TS]

  they're still undergoing there but a [TS]

  cylinder is the shape of your [TS]

  traditional battery it's got a nice [TS]

  handle for you to grab it and i think [TS]

  there's a slightly better chance that [TS]

  you won't lose them when they're awkward [TS]

  shape than if they were actually shaped [TS]

  like little snails you know like the [TS]

  fact that it's like longer has this [TS]

  protrusion coming from it even though it [TS]

  might look a little bit more awkward [TS]

  it's just a generally better design but [TS]

  like if you look at them they look for [TS]

  all the world like someone took you know [TS]

  the regular wire [TS]

  apple earpods and just cut the wires off [TS]

  of the monument already people are [TS]

  selling wires that you can attach them [TS]

  so you don't lose them which is really [TS]

  goes [TS]

  although i don't understand why the [TS]

  we're talking about this thing we also [TS]

  like someone selling a sort of clip on [TS]

  wire that you attach to your ear pods to [TS]

  keep you from losing them but it clips [TS]

  on like a little cuff like the clips [TS]

  onto they like there's little metal [TS]

  things on the bottom right they should [TS]

  be magnetic a little case has little [TS]

  magnificent rights you should make that [TS]

  I don't understand that's staring you [TS]

  right in the face maybe they can't sell [TS]

  those little tiny whatever they are [TS]

  those rare earth magnet things that kids [TS]

  swallow and they go in their intestines [TS]

  and that the you know anyway [TS]

  well they also don't want to cover the [TS]

  mics because i thought the microphones [TS]

  with a very very bottom of the little I [TS]

  don't know protrusion yeah you'd have to [TS]

  make it like hollow or do something that [TS]

  would be anyway that if Apple made these [TS]

  things which is ridiculous thing about [TS]

  ever do that but anyway that was not [TS]

  discussed like and in the presentation [TS]

  there was no sort of job style story [TS]

  about how they arrived at the design [TS]

  that is essentially exactly like the air [TS]

  possible with the wires cut off but i [TS]

  think that's really like not obvious if [TS]

  you if you'd asked me what shape with [TS]

  the Apple things be like I would have [TS]

  lots of ideas but I wouldn't occur to me [TS]

  to just take the existing one then cut [TS]

  off the wires but of course after you [TS]

  see it you realize you know it looks [TS]

  kind of weird it does have a lot of [TS]

  advantages in particular I think having [TS]

  a little handle like having a thing to [TS]

  grab it by the hand and obvious place to [TS]

  grab it so you're not grabbing a little [TS]

  stale it's in your ear you're grabbing a [TS]

  stick right that that seems like a big [TS]

  window and then of course the place to [TS]

  put the battery is probably easier to [TS]

  hide a battery and a little stick that [TS]

  is the trying to find a place in the [TS]

  snail shell to which the battery [TS]

  well that does make sense especially [TS]

  since oh yeah look at what we've done [TS]

  it's so perfect now we're just going to [TS]

  make it perfect for goodness alright so [TS]

  let's a round out by talking about the [TS]

  ice iphone 7 plus cameras and there's [TS]

  been a plethora of debate over what they [TS]

  can and cannot do and mutual friend of [TS]

  ours [TS]

  Matthew panzeri know who is [TS]

  editor-in-chief of TechCrunch wrote a [TS]

  really fantastic review of the iphone [TS]

  the iphone 7 and you knew it was going [TS]

  to be good when it starts as follows [TS]

  this is the very opening [TS]

  my kid farts a lot farting and eating is [TS]

  pretty much all he does and that's [TS]

  because he's four weeks old but anyway [TS]

  any iphone review that starts with a [TS]

  story about flatulence is good with me [TS]

  so in this story he tells us a little [TS]

  bit more about the iphone 7 camera and [TS]

  so he says every time you take a picture [TS]

  with the iphone 7 plus both the wide [TS]

  angle and telephoto fire off [TS]

  yes to 12 megapixel cameras for every [TS]

  shot this could be a prime driver behind [TS]

  the increase in iphone 7 plus his memory [TS]

  2 3 gigabytes both images are needed due [TS]

  to an apple technique it's calling [TS]

  fusion internal diffusion takes data [TS]

  from both sensors merging them into the [TS]

  best possible picture for any condition [TS]

  if for instance there's a light seen [TS]

  that has some dark areas image [TS]

  processing chip could choose to pick up [TS]

  some image data pixels or other stuff [TS]

  like luminance from the brighter one [TS]

  point f 1.8 wide angle and mix it in [TS]

  with the data from the f 2.8 telephoto [TS]

  creating a composite accomp can't [TS]

  pronounce it [TS]

  it's compass aight yeah that's it it's [TS]

  it's actually pronounced bozell on the [TS]

  fly without any input from the user [TS]

  this is this was debated a lot over the [TS]

  last week do both cameras fire and you [TS]

  get data from both cameras when you take [TS]

  a picture and according to Matthew [TS]

  pantry know who I trust the answers [TS]

  unequivocally yes both of them fire [TS]

  yeah i saw there's actually a developer [TS]

  document somewhere along the way we're [TS]

  basically at the API level you can [TS]

  specify like if you need certain [TS]

  low-level access things like raw [TS]

  controls and things like that then you [TS]

  have to just pick one and use that one [TS]

  but the default mode appears to really [TS]

  be this kind of mishmash that uses both [TS]

  and tries to be intelligent about it so [TS]

  that's cool I I worry a little bit about [TS]

  if there's gonna be any kind of [TS]

  artifacts from that but i assume Apple [TS]

  thought of that and worked around that [TS]

  in software so we'll see that's pretty [TS]

  cool [TS]

  the the other thing that we need to [TS]

  cover with the camera which is kind of [TS]

  big which is kind of related to this is [TS]

  that the the what they're calling a [TS]

  telephoto lens is not as good a few [TS]

  pretty critical ways you might not want [TS]

  the the date from necessarily i guess [TS]

  depends on how to have a combining it [TS]

  and this is this kind of this is kind of [TS]

  actually got me into question whether [TS]

  getting the plus or not so it basically [TS]

  we know from the keynote that it was [TS]

  only f 2.8 compared to f 1.8 of the of [TS]

  the wide lens and that results in a lot [TS]

  less light coming in and therefore in in [TS]

  low-light you're gonna have a lot more [TS]

  noise coming from that sensor because [TS]

  gonna have to crank up sensitivity to [TS]

  make up for the lack of light coming in [TS]

  the other problem is i can relate to [TS]

  that which is that the the telephoto [TS]

  lens does not have image stabilization [TS]

  basically you know it's a difference [TS]

  between what the six plus and 6s plus [TS]

  have had over the 6 and 6s camera [TS]

  because that because the the pluses have [TS]

  always had optical stabilization on the [TS]

  main cameras and the minuses I guess [TS]

  have not until the seven and so you can [TS]

  see in there in the reviews that [TS]

  compared like the 6s to the 666 plus [TS]

  camera you can usually see in their [TS]

  low-light photos a pretty noticeable [TS]

  difference because the image stabilizer [TS]

  allows the camera to have a longer [TS]

  shutter speed as long as nobody's moving [TS]

  had to have a longer shutter speed [TS]

  without the shake of your hands getting [TS]

  in the way in making it blurry and so in [TS]

  low-light longer shutter speed means [TS]

  again lower sensitivity needed no less [TS]

  less boosting of the signal on this on [TS]

  the sensor and therefore less noise in [TS]

  the picture so the fact that the [TS]

  telephoto does not have stabilization [TS]

  will generally mean that you know in in [TS]

  any kind of moderate to low light [TS]

  basically indoors the pictures from the [TS]

  telephoto camera are going to be [TS]

  noticeably noisier than the ones from [TS]

  the wide camera and additionally because [TS]

  because of that f 2.8 is gonna make it [TS]

  even worse [TS]

  so basically the the telephoto camera is [TS]

  going to be mostly an outdoor camera it [TS]

  you can use it inside but it won't be [TS]

  very good [TS]

  the second camera and also people on [TS]

  reddit analyze the the EXIF data from [TS]

  some of the Sports Illustrated sample [TS]

  pictures and they seem to conclude that [TS]

  the telephoto sensor is also smaller but [TS]

  there's some various conflicting reports [TS]

  about this ruling Apple PR statement [TS]

  so the sensor might be smaller if the [TS]

  sensor smaller that also means generally [TS]

  speaking usually more noise because the [TS]

  pixels are smaller and collect less [TS]

  light so again more amplification [TS]

  necessary anyway so all this you know [TS]

  there's lots of good reasons why this [TS]

  might be the case space considerations [TS]

  ate a longer lens involves differently [TS]

  shaped objects that are probably deeper [TS]

  and and like you know the these are I [TS]

  mean these aren't like you know [TS]

  thousand-dollar cameras in here they're [TS]

  probably like 40 or 50 all cameras and [TS]

  that adds up to the bill of materials [TS]

  these things like they're already adding [TS]

  a second one to add a second one that's [TS]

  even more expensive and even larger and [TS]

  even more mechanically complicated would [TS]

  probably have a noticeable effect on [TS]

  their costs on their margins they [TS]

  probably don't want so it's probably I'm [TS]

  guessing cost is the secondary reason [TS]

  and that physical constraints are the [TS]

  primary reason but whatever the reasons [TS]

  it's kind of unfortunate that the the [TS]

  telephoto lens is just not as well [TS]

  suspect as the wide lens so i'm actually [TS]

  I decided for myself that I'm probably [TS]

  gonna do the regular size seven this [TS]

  year and not the Plus also the plus is [TS]

  giant here's the thing about apple and [TS]

  this PR cycle the day of i heard from [TS]

  multiple different people who are in [TS]

  contact with Apple PR different things [TS]

  which is not typical for Apple usually [TS]

  Apple PR has everything all I don't want [TS]

  to say specific people in specific [TS]

  factors are minor facts don't really [TS]

  matter in the grand scheme of things but [TS]

  we're alvear will tell one person one [TS]

  thing to a very specific technical [TS]

  question and tell a different person a [TS]

  different thing like obviously have PR [TS]

  is not a single person so it could just [TS]

  be two different people like anyway it [TS]

  seems like this store was not exactly [TS]

  straight on the sensors i have heard [TS]

  that Apple is very adamant that they are [TS]

  exactly the same sensor alright well [TS]

  whatever the case they still have the [TS]

  optical disadvantages where it's a much [TS]

  smaller aperture and and the lack of [TS]

  image stabilization the image [TS]

  stabilization is the obvious when you [TS]

  can you can that one like Apple confirms [TS]

  obviously you can look at it and apples [TS]

  little pictures for the fusion thing [TS]

  last show we're talking about whether [TS]

  the zooming was using was blending the [TS]

  two picture now it turns out like [TS]

  everything is blended into it don't [TS]

  forget about the zooming just in [TS]

  normal operation everything's blending [TS]

  like and like i said i will put the link [TS]

  in the show notes the Navy foundation [TS]

  you know documentation for using the [TS]

  camera infuse mode now you lose all this [TS]

  control or whatever and what's [TS]

  interesting to me is if I have one of [TS]

  these one of the first things i would do [TS]

  is put my finger over one of the cameras [TS]

  take a bunch of pictures and this is a [TS]

  tragedy like that just like that color [TS]

  taker or something right something that [TS]

  they hinted at in the thing I go this [TS]

  whatever their image processor with [TS]

  billions of calculations and every [TS]

  single you know whatever yeah because [TS]

  that's it is doing a fairly complicated [TS]

  task of what I assume is trying to see [TS]

  if there is anything worthwhile to [TS]

  combine from you know the potentially [TS]

  blurrier differently zoomed-in image [TS]

  from the other camera to you know to put [TS]

  together to make a bigger better picture [TS]

  and so that algorithm has to be smart [TS]

  enough to like not make your pictures [TS]

  worse if it still happens that it's just [TS]

  below the light threshold of the the [TS]

  good camera you know for the is the wide [TS]

  angle camera can get enough light but [TS]

  the zoomed in one is all like nosy and [TS]

  gross i hope it will be smart enough not [TS]

  to make your what would be a perfectly [TS]

  good one camera picture worse by trying [TS]

  to blend it [TS]

  same thing if I cover-up might one of [TS]

  the cameras with my finger I would hope [TS]

  it would be smart enough to say oh well [TS]

  there's no useful data and the other [TS]

  thing so don't combine and have it looks [TS]

  like the same i guess if you're a [TS]

  developer and you have control with [TS]

  these api to say i want to use this [TS]

  camera alone for this camera or do the [TS]

  fusion that would be funded to like you [TS]

  know do a series of three pictures with [TS]

  your finger over the thing obviously the [TS]

  picture of the just your fingers going [TS]

  to be all just you know black or pink or [TS]

  whatever color happens to be depending [TS]

  on lighting conditions of the no shining [TS]

  through your translucent skin and then [TS]

  the other one would be clear and in the [TS]

  fusion picture would it be the same as [TS]

  the single-camera picture that had a [TS]

  clear shot or would it be like worse i [TS]

  don't know anyway this is all going on [TS]

  behind the scenes it's all supposed to [TS]

  be entirely transparent i understand why [TS]

  apple doesn't care to explain technical [TS]

  details it just works it just works and [TS]

  that's great but i am very curious about [TS]

  exactly what they're doing under the [TS]

  covers and if like you said targeted is [TS]

  it going to make your pictures better [TS]

  than a noticeable way or will you just [TS]

  never know that it's happening and [TS]

  you'll have to trust that things would [TS]

  be worse if it wasn't combining all [TS]

  these pixels so Ben McCarthy [TS]

  has an iphone app called obscura and so [TS]

  he knows the programmatic interfaces to [TS]

  the cameras really really well and he [TS]

  had confirmed and I just want to call [TS]

  this out that you in order to get manual [TS]

  exposure in focus on this is what you're [TS]

  alluding to earlier Marco on the e on [TS]

  the seven plus you cannot use the fuse [TS]

  camera mode you have to say either i [TS]

  want the telephoto or the wide one and [TS]

  so will put a link in the show notes to [TS]

  that the depth mapping BuzzFeed says [TS]

  because both cameras in the seven plus [TS]

  can be run simultaneously it can capture [TS]

  nine layers of depth from foreground to [TS]

  background I've also seen and I don't [TS]

  have a link handy but I've seen rumors [TS]

  that there is an IR sensor or something [TS]

  like that sitting in between the two [TS]

  ones did you guys see that i took that [TS]

  out of the notes because I'd someone was [TS]

  just saying because looking at the parts [TS]

  there's like a hole in the middle but I [TS]

  don't know if that's for an IRS like [TS]

  this the question where does it get the [TS]

  depth map from my last show i said these [TS]

  cameras are really close to each other [TS]

  so you can get depth from two cameras [TS]

  that are separated from each other the [TS]

  more they're separated easier it is to [TS]

  get the information out [TS]

  you can also get it with an ir spray or [TS]

  something but i have a feeling that's [TS]

  what was going on we would know about it [TS]

  by now anyway another one of the [TS]

  mysteries of apples a magical hardware [TS]

  how are they getting the depth [TS]

  information but the benign layer says [TS]

  not getting that much that information [TS]

  nine layers is pretty granular for an [TS]

  entire scene like the present 360 had [TS]

  the the first but that was a thing [TS]

  called boys bad that i can remember the [TS]

  neighborhood you know what I'm talking [TS]

  about right to stand in front of the [TS]

  xbox and wave your arms around the [TS]

  kinect kinect there we go yes the first [TS]

  one of those had fairly primitive death [TS]

  mapping to figure out where everybody [TS]

  was in the room it's way more than nine [TS]

  layer so the camera this is and these [TS]

  layers are going to be used for the the [TS]

  the fake depth of field effect that farm [TS]

  where no one has actually tried yet [TS]

  right even reviewers don't have this [TS]

  year because it sounds like you later [TS]

  this year [TS]

  yeah so we just don't know how that [TS]

  works but that's what the depth is four [TS]

  and nine layers is from his guitar [TS]

  collection we confirm from apple [TS]

  so don't expect miracles in terms of [TS]

  mapping of what's new and what's far [TS]

  yeah man you can kind of see that in [TS]

  their demo photos that show off the the [TS]

  fucking effect that like you can tell it [TS]

  the edge detection of the subject of its [TS]

  kind of crude and it's like things are [TS]

  blurred that shouldn't necessarily be [TS]

  blurred like depth wise so that's [TS]

  probably what we're seeing there's [TS]

  probably just the effect of the of the [TS]

  depth map being a fairly in precise [TS]

  alright Dan Hickson has written about [TS]

  raw and he is pointed out to us the raw [TS]

  is not a new feature of the iphone 7 but [TS]

  new features of iOS 10 with that works [TS]

  with any iphones and have 12 makeup [TS]

  megapixel camera so I believe that's [TS]

  just success and seven is that correct [TS]

  that's right [TS]

  yes success and forward well i think [TS]

  also the sec oh yeah I think you are [TS]

  right actually it's a very good point [TS]

  and consider that he says he's working [TS]

  on a roll camera app for iOS 10 and [TS]

  here's why he and his partner [TS]

  professional photographers the main [TS]

  reason we want on our phones because [TS]

  apples noise reduction algorithm is too [TS]

  aggressive it's optimized for iphone [TS]

  screens and looks good there but if he's [TS]

  human on a photo and you look at that [TS]

  you took recently the edges are still [TS]

  milky and yucky I even have a friend who [TS]

  is also a pro photographer has begun [TS]

  stockpiling iphone 5s is because the [TS]

  noise reduction is less aggressive there [TS]

  and i feel like i've also seen [TS]

  previously mentioned been McCarthy say [TS]

  some of the same things that the noise [TS]

  reduction is really aggressive on the on [TS]

  the on the Apple side of things and so [TS]

  if you take the raw image then you can [TS]

  apply whatever noise reduction you want [TS]

  thanks for three sponsor this week [TS]

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  see you next week [TS]

  now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

  mean to begin as it was accidental [TS]

  it was accidental John research Marco in [TS]

  kc would let you know [TS]

  because it was accidentally was [TS]

  accidental [TS]

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  and it for twitter follow them [TS]

  yes eyl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

  co-pay RM Angie Marco Arment are see you [TS]

  at Syracuse [TS]

  we should perhaps talk about the [TS]

  ordering process and what we ended up [TS]

  doing it sounds like II so what what did [TS]

  you order [TS]

  Marco I thought you were ordering a plus [TS]

  so so I did order a plus but I decided [TS]

  the very last minute to go for jet black [TS]

  because i wanted the grip and I was kind [TS]

  of an offensive in regular black and [TS]

  jet-black and you know on the plus i [TS]

  really wanted extra grip because i [TS]

  really want to use a caseless and [TS]

  because you just get so big and as i [TS]

  mentioned i had been using a plus for [TS]

  like the last week or so just to kind of [TS]

  a sanity check to make sure i do i [TS]

  really want to phone this big and the [TS]

  the problem is that minute one the [TS]

  earliest and the earliest ship date [TS]

  anybody got on a jet black + was [TS]

  September 26 by the time i order went [TS]

  through mine which have been quoted at [TS]

  that time I was actually moved up to [TS]

  October fourth through 10th oh but so [TS]

  like you know I mean that granted that's [TS]

  only like three weeks away or something [TS]

  but I really want this phone now and I [TS]

  really have reasons to get it now like [TS]

  for instance overcast has a prominent [TS]

  feature that depends on the hardware of [TS]

  the phone's built-in speaker and [TS]

  profiling it to minimize distortion [TS]

  during voice boost i really would like [TS]

  the new phone so I can profile the [TS]

  speaker and I can get this feature at [TS]

  the poker and so that all people who get [TS]

  these phones kind of overcast sound good [TS]

  and and correct out of their speakers [TS]

  plus i just want the phone you know i'm [TS]

  i'm a nerd i'm impatient i want to talk [TS]

  about on the show i want you i want for [TS]

  the various like minor business purposes [TS]

  so yeah to wait till early to mid [TS]

  october kind of would suck so in the [TS]

  meantime I started thinking you know [TS]

  what else could I you know maybe could I [TS]

  should just like go in the store and try [TS]

  to get a reservation and everything and [TS]

  try to get like get one in the meantime [TS]

  and then whichever one comes first keep [TS]

  that one can't believe that the other [TS]

  order and the problem is I all this crap [TS]

  with AT&T we're like basically the Apple [TS]

  is not very happy to sell you tmobile [TS]

  unlocked ones in very much quantity [TS]

  because most of the most part being [TS]

  resold on the great market play well [TS]

  really yeah oh yeah like that's the the [TS]

  tmobile stock went out way earlier like [TS]

  the tmobile ship dates where it went out [TS]

  way further ahead than everyone else is [TS]

  way faster I see what you're saying okay [TS]

  a little secret between us and the [TS]

  listeners which were not going to tell [TS]

  anyone [TS]

  is that I might have ordered a second [TS]

  phone for somebody else that lives in [TS]

  the house that may not know this yet [TS]

  Declan that one here totally in that 1i [TS]

  ordered his tmobile because on the off [TS]

  chance that I get murdered for spending [TS]

  a lot of money on this phone that wasn't [TS]

  really asked for then it would be a very [TS]

  easy return you know wouldn't it [TS]

  wouldn't be set up against her or his [TS]

  but her phone number and so I just got a [TS]

  completely vanilla t mobile phone and I [TS]

  don't remember what the ship date was to [TS]

  your point it was out of ways but i did [TS]

  this like hours after waking up last [TS]

  Friday so also if it wasn't a plus it [TS]

  then the dates for a lot closer [TS]

  yeah it is not a plus and I bring all [TS]

  this up just to say that for one phone [TS]

  like I was as far as applicant is [TS]

  concerned like a complete rando and 41 t [TS]

  mobile phone they didn't blink an eye [TS]

  was super easy [TS]

  that's good yeah anyway so I i was [TS]

  living with plus all weekend and came to [TS]

  the conclusion that i can have a phone [TS]

  that big if it's really compelling for [TS]

  all the other reasons i can totally live [TS]

  with the plus-size phone was when I came [TS]

  home I live a little longer and then I [TS]

  switched this morning back to my success [TS]

  is to kind of have the other side then [TS]

  and my god i love the success so much [TS]

  more like that boy the same feeling that [TS]

  people get when they switch to the SE [TS]

  after using a 6 for a while they're like [TS]

  oh my god I can reach everything and it [TS]

  fits on my pocket and it's so small [TS]

  light that's the feeling I got switching [TS]

  from the plastic to success like it was [TS]

  it was such a big difference and the [TS]

  plus like yes the screen is way bigger [TS]

  and way nicer the cameras eat even [TS]

  though the the telephoto camera is not [TS]

  as optically high-spec as the other one [TS]

  I would still love to have dual [TS]

  members and would gladly pay a hundred [TS]

  hours extra they could be the same size [TS]

  body is the regular success the battery [TS]

  life is indeed better again not as much [TS]

  if using the screen but it is indeed [TS]

  noticeably better but there are still [TS]

  some things about that annoy me i still [TS]

  hate that springboard rotates i still [TS]

  hate that apps have that weird like half [TS]

  ipad view when you accidentally rotate [TS]

  them to the point where you i typically [TS]

  have to keep the phone with rotation [TS]

  lock on you never have to do with my [TS]

  success but on the plus side I really [TS]

  just have to keep the rotation lock on [TS]

  just tolerate all the various weird [TS]

  stuff that goes on it is really [TS]

  substantially larger and and noticeably [TS]

  heavier the point where it's less [TS]

  comfortable to use while reading in bed [TS]

  while holding it up above me and it does [TS]

  not fit in very many pockets very easily [TS]

  and also like he had a battery life is [TS]

  much longer but when you do want to [TS]

  charge it up it charges a lot more [TS]

  slowly because it's a bigger battery and [TS]

  charger at the same milliamp hour rate [TS]

  so it charges more slowly the battery [TS]

  case not available for it and yeah it's [TS]

  just it's really big and so I can [TS]

  totally do that however next year it's [TS]

  gonna be a lot smaller and all that if [TS]

  all these your words are true then the [TS]

  then the plus size screen will be [TS]

  available on a much smaller phone body [TS]

  next year we can already look and see [TS]

  like what Samsung and everyone else does [TS]

  with like getting rid of bezels and [TS]

  maybe slightly curved screen around all [TS]

  this other crap you can get a big screen [TS]

  in a small phone body and that's [TS]

  probably what Apple's doing with the [TS]

  next iphone for next year with this big [TS]

  redesign with no bezels I and and one [TS]

  more year would also give it a chance to [TS]

  maybe improve a telephoto camera a [TS]

  little bit and for us to hear more from [TS]

  actual users and actual analysis and [TS]

  like deep testing to see like how good [TS]

  is that second camera in practice how [TS]

  you know how useful is it really is [TS]

  there anything weird about the dual [TS]

  camera setup that like a United that [TS]

  anywhere artifacts with the picture [TS]

  being combined and everything like we [TS]

  will know all that in a year and in a [TS]

  year I'll be able to get all the [TS]

  benefits of the plus phone in all [TS]

  likelihood it a much smaller physical [TS]

  shape and size so i think i'm just going [TS]

  to wait till that always a plus made [TS]

  never plus yeah so so I i think i'm [TS]

  gonna i'm gonna go with the regular size [TS]

  the 4.7 inch seven this this year and [TS]

  also [TS]

  the difference between the the seven and [TS]

  seven plus like in in various aspects [TS]

  and everything is a lot closer than it [TS]

  used to be like between 6 and 6 plus the [TS]

  battery life is way closer it's it's [TS]

  very similar now actually I mean that [TS]

  plus still a lot more like if the screen [TS]

  is often said but like during for screen [TS]

  on use the battery life is actually very [TS]

  close and the battery got a lot bigger [TS]

  than the seven and only a little bigger [TS]

  than 7 plus the l and also the the seven [TS]

  camera got the optical image [TS]

  stabilization so that now like the [TS]

  wide-angle camera and identical between [TS]

  the two which wasn't before [TS]

  so combined with little annoyed about [TS]

  the plus like the weird ipad half modes [TS]

  and just a large physical size i'm just [TS]

  a lot happier with the regular success [TS]

  size right now and so again next year [TS]

  when they change the sizes [TS]

  maybe i will be less happy with it and i [TS]

  will i will go up again you know back to [TS]

  the plus there or maybe i will go down [TS]

  and and use like you know basically like [TS]

  so you know my theory is that the BSE [TS]

  name will make a lot more sense in the [TS]

  future because the SEC is probably a [TS]

  temporary model inserted as a bridge [TS]

  until we can get the smaller iPhone [TS]

  bodies that were supposed to be out [TS]

  maybe a year ago so let's face it might [TS]

  seriously they're in in four seconds but [TS]

  basically the the next 4.7 inch phone [TS]

  might be close enough in dimensions to [TS]

  the sec that they don't need it anymore [TS]

  so anyway that's that's my my theory [TS]

  that the SEC will never be updated and [TS]

  it was just a bridge model to get them [TS]

  until next year when the 4.7 is small [TS]

  enough the SE customers will tolerate it [TS]

  so anyway so the answer basically is [TS]

  right now I have nothing ordered because [TS]

  i couldn't once I can't so I canceled my [TS]

  6 plus that was gonna ship in october so [TS]

  i could basically reuse the AT&T [TS]

  verification on a on a different phone [TS]

  but then that stopped working and for [TS]

  the last few days I've tried here and [TS]

  they're placing orders and I've gotten [TS]

  the apple thing saying here's so here's [TS]

  a reservation we can kind of come to the [TS]

  carrier system but here's a reservation [TS]

  for you and I'd go follow through that [TS]

  says you know what nevermind we actually [TS]

  couldn't do it again so i keep going [TS]

  through all these stupid processes and I [TS]

  still can't get an order in so i have [TS]

  had like a last-minute order for a [TS]

  tmobile one that's going to arrive like [TS]

  in early October also desperate to have [TS]

  this phone with the same phone t-mobile [TS]

  it's the same phones AT&T like and it's [TS]

  i'm buying a full price anyway i know [TS]

  i'm just like you you you need that now [TS]

  you if you were if you had anything in [TS]

  front of you if the world was your [TS]

  oyster you would get a 128 seven [TS]

  jet-black is that correct that's right [TS]

  ok alright John what about your [TS]

  household we last I heard you were going [TS]

  to wait on yourself because you wanted [TS]

  to see both in hand before you made a [TS]

  decision but what about Tina did she [TS]

  order one was she planning to know she's [TS]

  got a 6s plus it's not here [TS]

  I mean I'm assuming she's gonna get a [TS]

  watch but she's not ready to pick that [TS]

  out yet so yeah no hurry i didn't order [TS]

  anything like um just wander into a [TS]

  store at some point and take a look at [TS]

  them I need to see the person first and [TS]

  then decide what I'm going to do and [TS]

  didn't just gonna wait and whatever [TS]

  shortage and shipping dates and other [TS]

  weird things going on [TS]

  wait until that's all over and not be [TS]

  able to it alright i ordered myself a [TS]

  matte black 7 128 I'm not a member of [TS]

  the + club I was flirting with it real [TS]

  hard for a little while but when I saw [TS]

  the details about the camera [TS]

  I I felt like you know what there's [TS]

  nothing that's really enticing me about [TS]

  + club except battery but like marco was [TS]

  just explaining the batteries got a lot [TS]

  better in the seven supposedly anyway so [TS]

  it is apparently sitting in louisville [TS]

  kentucky as we speak should be delivered [TS]

  friday and i am very stoked and then if [TS]

  i had secretly ordered a phone for Aaron [TS]

  which I totally did not do it would be a [TS]

  71 28 in rose gold and that's delivered [TS]

  in like mid october or something like [TS]

  that [TS]

  hypothetically before we and I just want [TS]

  to take one more run it just fine what I [TS]

  hope is the first software update to iOS [TS]

  10 to allow me to send people lazers [TS]

  with reduce motion on because at every [TS]

  first of all as we discussed last time [TS]

  it's baffling to people that those two [TS]

  things are connected in any way you know [TS]

  is that baffling I don't because after [TS]

  all the people behind happen to know who [TS]

  have reduced motion on have it merely as [TS]

  an aesthetic preference right it's [TS]

  mostly they're not doing it [TS]

  because they experienced huge amounts of [TS]

  vertical just they just like it a little [TS]

  bit better like me that's why I have it [TS]

  like I experienced a little tiny bit of [TS]

  vertical but not enough that i would be [TS]

  well I just liked it better the other [TS]

  way so it is it's an it's a preference [TS]

  it it's like a preference in the literal [TS]

  sense like you just like it better you [TS]

  don't need it but you just like it and I [TS]

  like it so much I don't want to go back [TS]

  to the other way now I totally [TS]

  understand that had people who need the [TS]

  motion to be reduced because they it [TS]

  really affects their ability to use [TS]

  their phone also don't want to see [TS]

  lasers good all thumbs up but there i [TS]

  mean there has to be people out there [TS]

  like me who have reduced motion on just [TS]

  because they feel like it but it's a [TS]

  pretty strong preference but they also [TS]

  want to send people lazers so you need [TS]

  to do is have a sexual preference in [TS]

  messages that you know off by default [TS]

  that says even memories motion is off [TS]

  give me lasers [TS]

  that's it one little toggle throw that [TS]

  in there because i have yet to meet a [TS]

  person who was able to figure out on [TS]

  their own without you know like [TS]

  scratching their head and just grandma [TS]

  guessing that reduce motion is the [TS]

  reason why can't some people lasers and [TS]

  then to agree that that's a thing that [TS]

  all ok well I bets that you know and now [TS]

  that I understand it's just be that way [TS]

  because people just want the way they [TS]

  want it they want reduce motion and they [TS]

  want to send lasers right they have to [TS]

  allow that they just have to i just [TS]

  cannot stand then I don't think this is [TS]

  gonna happen personally cannot stand you [TS]

  can't leave it like this people wanting [TS]

  you know how many times i've been to the [TS]

  reduce motion setting sending people [TS]

  lazers I need to send lasers ok [TS]

  it needs to be done and yet i gotta go [TS]

  back to the setting appt like I'm sure [TS]

  i'm not working like I leave it on the [TS]

  reduce motion toggle so i can turn off [TS]

  with it go back to the apps and lasers [TS]

  it's just it's untenable this they can't [TS]

  leave it like that I completely i [TS]

  completely disagree with you and it's [TS]

  best summarized actually by the tips [TS]

  during the chat [TS]

  do not use accessibility features to [TS]

  tweak the phone problem solved [TS]

  I agree with tips no notice it like [TS]

  that's not problems of people people [TS]

  want to do this I understand why they're [TS]

  there and I'm not arguing that this [TS]

  should be like the default obviously [TS]

  should work this way the defaults are [TS]

  correct this is the way it should work [TS]

  but there are there are people who used [TS]

  we all know them to use accessibility [TS]

  features as aesthetic preferences [TS]

  you can't just deny those people exist [TS]

  you shouldn't [TS]

  using them that way look there there [TS]

  there switches people can toggle and the [TS]

  kind of switches the people can toggle [TS]

  like I've had reduced motion on since [TS]

  iOS 7 that as far as I'm concerned that [TS]

  is the iphone experience to me is [TS]

  because reduce motion turned on [TS]

  most people who have produced motion [TS]

  turned on purely for like reasons a [TS]

  personal preference [TS]

  that's how they've been using phones for [TS]

  years to say that you have to choose [TS]

  between that and seeing confetti and [TS]

  balloons and it's just it's just not i [TS]

  don't i really think they're going to [TS]

  change this because it just seems [TS]

  obvious to me that they added the Apple [TS]

  has Miss estimated exactly how annoying [TS]

  it is not to be able to send lasers I i [TS]

  am first of all deeply amused that that [TS]

  you are this fired up over something [TS]

  that is so kitchen silly but beyond that [TS]

  I I understand where you're coming from [TS]

  but I completely disagree and again i [TS]

  think that the fact that you happen to [TS]

  prefer this aesthetically while tough [TS]

  cookies for you because that's not the [TS]

  purpose of the purpose of it is to [TS]

  prevent issues I don't doesn't matter [TS]

  what the purpose just matters how people [TS]

  use it doesn't matter what the purposes [TS]

  it only matters how people use it you [TS]

  can make it things for whatever purpose [TS]

  you want it just matters help it's like [TS]

  that might be the the force quit thing [TS]

  doesn't matter that the purposes like if [TS]

  your app is frozen use it only matters [TS]

  how people use it and people use it to [TS]

  obsessively force quit all the wraps to [TS]

  clear off the thing like you can design [TS]

  feature with one intention but when [TS]

  people use it they're showing you [TS]

  well you may have designed it that way [TS]

  but here's how we're using it and you [TS]

  have to take that and put back into this [TS]

  time inside [TS]

  well people really don't like a bunch of [TS]

  clutter on their app switchers maybe we [TS]

  should give them a way to get rid of [TS]

  clutter or have a an option that says [TS]

  never show more than three things in the [TS]

  app switcher because it's clear that [TS]

  people are really annoyed by seeing a [TS]

  little screens on the app switcher and [TS]

  even though it's supposed to be there to [TS]

  exit a a nap the tongue people use it [TS]

  for something different so you have to [TS]

  re-examine now maybe it's only meal and [TS]

  literally 25 other people that I know [TS]

  that do this and then the rest of the [TS]

  entire world never runs with reduce [TS]

  motion on or their own reduce motion [TS]

  animals they found out they couldn't [TS]

  sell is really that didn't care about [TS]

  the lasers or didn't care about reduce [TS]

  motion anymore but i find it hard to [TS]

  believe that there are lots of people [TS]

  out there using accessibility features [TS]

  quote-unquote for the wrong reasons [TS]

  who are annoyed now that they can't use [TS]

  the new features and messages so really [TS]

  you just want to be [TS]

  tweak everything so really this is not [TS]

  our statics this is not just like this [TS]

  comes back to Marco diff suggesting you [TS]

  get an android phone i'm on him in the [TS]

  market campaign look but i will I would [TS]

  gladly trade for example the home button [TS]

  week which i'm amazed exists like I'm [TS]

  amazed that home button week exist [TS]

  because this is totally like look with [TS]

  the race to wake you don't need it [TS]

  anymore so why would we ever give you an [TS]

  option to go back to the old way but [TS]

  they did you know why it's just one [TS]

  little switch i will click trade that in [TS]

  a second for not having a crippled [TS]

  version of messages for the readers [TS]

  motion on but so what i don't understand [TS]

  though is I thought you were made [TS]

  physically ill by having reduce motion [TS]

  off a little bit of vertigo but not much [TS]

  see the truth comes out but anyway I [TS]

  don't want to turn the whole point is I [TS]

  don't want to turn reduce motion back [TS]

  off that's why I'm not doing that I just [TS]

  wanna I'd i'm not bothered at all i [TS]

  don't get any illness at all from [TS]

  balloons and confetti and lasers since I [TS]

  mean you know everyone has one of these [TS]

  things like like you know I i mentioned [TS]

  earlier my my annoyance with rotation [TS]

  lock on the six plus I i would love it [TS]

  if apps had individual rotation lock [TS]

  settings it's not gonna happen [TS]

  twitter used to have that Twitter used [TS]

  to have that and they got rid of it in [TS]

  favor the US one I remember those days [TS]

  so overcast has been too but I'm like [TS]

  you know there's not going to be like a [TS]

  system preference somewhere that lists [TS]

  all my apps like you know just like the [TS]

  cell data think but that's untenable [TS]

  like this this is an easily easy obvious [TS]

  121 times which you know exactly where [TS]

  we'd go you're done but what you're [TS]

  saying basically is you really want [TS]

  there to be no motion effect anywhere in [TS]

  the US except this one app but still [TS]

  there's no motion effects and tons of [TS]

  apps that like I'm not reduce motion is [TS]

  not written if you run weather is much [TS]

  not know [TS]

  alright so it does not remove all [TS]

  animations from the system right [TS]

  it reduces them all right honey of apps [TS]

  have their own animations all over the [TS]

  place in them they're not affected at [TS]

  all by reducing motion right but what's [TS]

  she like [TS]

  i get so many ridiculous feature [TS]

  requests for overcast that basically are [TS]

  along the lines of I like this one [TS]

  feature that you implemented here but i [TS]

  want to have / podcast control over it [TS]

  or per episode control over it that is [TS]

  by far the most common format feature [TS]

  request I get the problem is that every [TS]

  one of those things is different and if [TS]

  I actually [TS]

  satisfied these requests in any [TS]

  reasonable way I would just have a wall [TS]

  of settings and options all over every [TS]

  single screen and it's untenable and so [TS]

  what you're saying is you want that kind [TS]

  of granularity for your little pet thing [TS]

  here but everybody has one of those pet [TS]

  things know it's it's not it's not a [TS]

  granularity thing it's about the [TS]

  disconnect between reduce motion and hat [TS]

  features right know what does it sits [TS]

  that's absolutely ridiculous because no [TS]

  it isn't because reduce motion doesn't [TS]

  reduce motion does not reduce motion in [TS]

  apps like you're like oh I everybody's [TS]

  motion I don't expect to see it does if [TS]

  they use the right ap is no i mean like [TS]

  its supposed to the accessibility [TS]

  features are meant to be blunt [TS]

  instruments that are not meant for [TS]

  everyone to use them and they're [TS]

  designed as they're designed that way to [TS]

  so like you know one of the [TS]

  accessibility features bold text right [TS]

  because the the text so skinny and iOS 7 [TS]

  turns out if you if you want bold text [TS]

  it all your apps except one [TS]

  there's no option to do that like [TS]

  because that's these are meant to be [TS]

  broad blunt instruments for people who [TS]

  need them for accessibility purposes but [TS]

  there are plenty of applications that [TS]

  ignore the bold text setting because [TS]

  they don't use it the same thing reduce [TS]

  motion if you turn on reduce motion and [TS]

  play game it's still with motion it's [TS]

  not reducing motion for you this motion [TS]

  everywhere right [TS]

  well that's really really reduce this is [TS]

  the only this is the only case in which [TS]

  reduce my motion has made entire [TS]

  headline features of any apple or an [TS]

  apple app completely inaccessible like [TS]

  you don't even have a choice to use them [TS]

  they're not hidden they're not locked [TS]

  you just cannot use them you can't see [TS]

  them you can even send them everything [TS]

  becomes center with lasers in [TS]

  parenthesis right this is an [TS]

  unprecedented it's unprecedented a [TS]

  feature like this it would total and [TS]

  like that everybody who has discovered [TS]

  this you find out all the people using [TS]

  reduce motion because the first time is [TS]

  the upgrade to iOS 10 they want to send [TS]

  lasers they can't they can't figure it [TS]

  out you know many times I've seen the [TS]

  same conversation different slack [TS]

  channel light twitter on the brightest [TS]

  and laser I'm trying to send balloons [TS]

  and I can't oh do you have reduced [TS]

  motion on that's what it is and then [TS]

  those people are just stuck it's like [TS]

  well i guess i can't have reduce motion [TS]

  anymore I mean think of it this way [TS]

  what if you are made physically ill by [TS]

  the reduce motion effects but lasers and [TS]

  balloons don't bother you [TS]

  what about that no one cares about you [TS]

  anymore because those two things while [TS]

  I'm sorry [TS]

  like I don't think this is a question of [TS]

  granularity I think this is a totally [TS]

  unprecedented linking of basically [TS]

  unrelated things for feature that [TS]

  doesn't reduce motion across the entire [TS]

  operating system but just this one app [TS]

  the messages team said you know what [TS]

  balloons too much confetti is too much [TS]

  we've got to reduce it much again I'm on [TS]

  board with that but you have to [TS]

  recognize that there are people out [TS]

  there for whom the the constant zooming [TS]

  in and out motion of transition between [TS]

  applications is bothersome Blazers are [TS]

  not i-i-i this is the most preposterous [TS]

  thing I've ever heard you say so that [TS]

  the name of the setting is reduce motion [TS]

  so use fewer balloons but you want it [TS]

  for balloons and lasers that are like on [TS]

  the verge of a strobe light but you want [TS]

  that to be okay [TS]

  the whole point now by the mall not by [TS]

  default option and why should it be an [TS]

  option for this one application because [TS]

  this is the headline features of iOS 10 [TS]

  the messages enhancements are a headline [TS]

  features of iOS 10 that regular people [TS]

  want to use their sure to be very [TS]

  popular the first thing everybody tries [TS]

  but it's not like some obscure corner of [TS]

  the the OS or I'm like this one app that [TS]

  nobody ever uses this is ice think this [TS]

  is unprecedented I think this absolutely [TS]

  has to change in a future version and I [TS]

  should i also would like to note that [TS]

  there is you I accessibility is reduce [TS]

  motion enabled which is an official API [TS]

  that at that a any developer worth their [TS]

  salt which is really none of them [TS]

  because i don't know if i would bother [TS]

  with this but anyway any developer worth [TS]

  their salt would check internet and [TS]

  crank back on their own in-app [TS]

  animations if this is turned on so maybe [TS]

  nobody does this but strictly speaking [TS]

  it is responsibility of Marco of me of [TS]

  any other iOS developer to check this in [TS]

  crank down on animations if it is turned [TS]

  on so just because we're maybe bad [TS]

  citizens of the platform and I shouldn't [TS]

  want mark when the with this maybe you [TS]

  are using it but you know if some okay [TS]

  there you go to use all the text [TS]

  features dynamic text buttons i use all [TS]

  that stuff [TS]

  exactly so if we're bad citizens of the [TS]

  platform and you've in your bank error [TS]

  in your favor when two hundred dollars [TS]

  were good for you but the fact the [TS]

  matter is reduce motion is supposed to [TS]

  reduce motion and that's what it's doing [TS]

  its reducing emotional [TS]

  balloons and lasers and strobe lights [TS]

  and things like that doesn't reduce the [TS]

  motion of the messages sliding up when [TS]

  the things go by this is like if you had [TS]

  a game where if you have reduced motion [TS]

  on you could play the game but you [TS]

  couldn't fire the rocket launcher [TS]

  because the rocket launcher had too many [TS]

  flashing lights and you'll be trying to [TS]

  play the game and you can't figure out [TS]

  why you can't beat this boss and you [TS]

  pick up the rocket launcher but you [TS]

  can't fire it and you can't figure it [TS]

  out you right to the development so if [TS]

  you have reduce motion on you can't fire [TS]

  the rocket launcher [TS]

  this is and that would be an obscure [TS]

  third party game that's a bad decision [TS]

  by one obscure third party game [TS]

  this is headlining feature totally gone [TS]

  because you have because you don't want [TS]

  to see zoom animations when you go from [TS]

  springboard into an application it's [TS]

  completely absurd [TS]

  so how wrong you are side I cannot [TS]

  believe how much time and energy you're [TS]

  putting into trying to get these like [TS]

  tacky horrible effects but this is like [TS]

  the worst part of I guess that's what [TS]

  everybody does it did you know someone [TS]

  who got os10 didn't immediately try to [TS]

  play with those effects that's what I [TS]

  recorded and at work today friend at [TS]

  work was was at my desk and talking to [TS]

  myself into a co-worker saying why can't [TS]

  I get lasers to work and we couldn't [TS]

  figure it out for second waiter you want [TS]

  to 60 so don't need to tap and hold your [TS]

  success we need to the deep profound [TS]

  another person another casual reduce [TS]

  motion user hold on it yes I it was [TS]

  another casualties motion user however [TS]

  the moment that I pointed out it's a [TS]

  choice between reduce motion or lasers [TS]

  immediately reduce motion was canned [TS]

  lasers it is I'll roll with it [TS]

  these people have have more drive for [TS]

  lasers I i am about 5050 [TS]

  I don't want to reduce motion off but I [TS]

  also on laser so so I go back to System [TS]

  Preferences I turn reducing motion off i [TS]

  send the lasers and then I turn it back [TS]

  on [TS]

  that's cannot believe you're not [TS]

  dedicated to frickin lasers I notable I [TS]

  agree it's ludicrous and there should be [TS]

  a preference for and I can understand [TS]

  i'm not saying like Apple should have [TS]

  known because maybe they just don't know [TS]

  how many people using reduce motion for [TS]

  like you know who they put it this way [TS]

  who are bothered by the motion to reduce [TS]

  motion stops but are not bothered by [TS]

  lasers right and maybe they just didn't [TS]

  know how many people that and the ATP to [TS]

  keep saying accessibility as [TS]

  accessibility is a different class of [TS]

  people accessibilities for everybody [TS]

  every single human being is going to [TS]

  need eventually one or more [TS]

  accessibility features is not a separate [TS]

  class well normal people and [TS]

  accessibility people everybody needs [TS]

  accessibility features every single [TS]

  person so they are not separate but the [TS]

  accessibility options in iOS are [TS]

  designed for non-mainstream use so they [TS]

  don't put its not non-mainstream it's a [TS]

  hundred percent mainstream there is no [TS]

  distinction between normals and people [TS]

  need accessibility features if you if [TS]

  you would like the accessibility feature [TS]

  because it makes the pleasant experience [TS]

  in using iphone easier more pleasant for [TS]

  you then that's fine but if Apple [TS]

  actually wanted this to be like a really [TS]

  good setting that had granularity and [TS]

  features to satisfy everybody they [TS]

  wouldn't bury an accessibility they [TS]

  would make it a regular setting this is [TS]

  the headline feature of their new [TS]

  operating system this is not an obscure [TS]

  tweak or setting and the fact that it is [TS]

  totally absent is different from i wish [TS]

  it behaved in a little bit different way [TS]

  this is not i want / podcast setting for [TS]

  every single thing this is not i want / [TS]

  conversation read receipts which by the [TS]

  way they have this is not that this is [TS]

  those lasers that you keep seeing have [TS]

  fun banging your head against your phone [TS]

  trying to figure out how to send them [TS]

  you can't [TS]

  and guess what it's because of that [TS]

  because you didn't want the Zoom [TS]

  animations when you go between apps who [TS]

  is sending you all these lasers I [TS]

  haven't gotten any lasers you what if [TS]

  you're talking to casey I've said you [TS]

  like one [TS]

  you have lots of drawings and a little [TS]

  heart things and everybody's playing [TS]

  with everyone wants the blade i have not [TS]

  sent you any of that stuff I can't even [TS]

  find it arrives to having some John that [TS]

  stuff i was sending Marco state where [TS]

  are the lasers so i will send your laser [TS]

  and by the way i am as deeply pissed off [TS]

  as you are about this which is [TS]

  preposterous i maintain I am as deeply [TS]

  pissed off if not more so that they [TS]

  removed the sweet techno beats from the [TS]

  lasers sound effect now just sounds like [TS]

  garbage so Marco i will send your lasers [TS]

  by typing the word garbage deep pressing [TS]

  on the up the blue up arrow hitting the [TS]

  segmented control sleeping over and then [TS]

  hitting the blue button so i have just [TS]

  sent your lasers [TS]

  oh my God look at all that motion it's [TS]

  not being reduced at all [TS]

  nope not a bit so if you have your phone [TS]

  in silent Casey how would you feel if [TS]

  you had your phone in silent mode if you [TS]

  couldn't send letters now like you [TS]

  couldn't you no longer had access to any [TS]

  bubble effects or any screen effects [TS]

  about what you don't have to dial that [TS]

  that is not an analogous are it is [TS]

  isn't healthy now literally disappears [TS]

  because some aspect of a base [TS]

  potentially harmful you said you didn't [TS]

  want any noise and noise comes with the [TS]

  same so sorry analogous in Italian it an [TS]

  analogous argument would be you know [TS]

  John I really are [TS]

  I would really love to be able to send [TS]

  lasers and even if the phone is silence [TS]

  it should play the audio for the lasers [TS]

  no no no because reduce motion is not [TS]

  like the mute switch again this motion [TS]

  all over the place reduce motion even [TS]

  apps that honor it is impossible to [TS]

  eliminate motion like I said when you [TS]

  send a message the bubbles slide upwards [TS]

  that's motion my goodness my goodness I [TS]

  can't believe I can't even believe you [TS]

  to disagree on that is a Apple needs to [TS]

  change that be I think they will change [TS]

  it because it's so easy to change it so [TS]

  obvious I think they just dark and he [TS]

  did not correctly estimate how many [TS]

  people are casual reduce motion users [TS]

  who want lasers [TS]

  look at all these balloons and confetti [TS]

  i'm having all this fun over here with [TS]

  his motion i will bet you one American [TS]

  dollar that this that you're that you're [TS]

  delightful setting will never exist [TS]

  effort i will take that bet I will take [TS]

  that one dollar bet and and my timeframe [TS]

  for that bed is before I was 11 [TS]

  that's all I'm saying I don't know what [TS]

  point was just gonna be a 10-point [TS]

  point2 points3 points4 know what numbers [TS]

  they got to but that is a one dollar bet [TS]

  that i will take I I will absolutely [TS]

  agree to this one dollar bet [TS]

  oh my god is ridiculous we give me odds [TS]

  on that [TS]

  no I wasn't high god it's 10,000 is [TS]

  10,000 the one in my favor right because [TS]

  Apple not doing something is always a [TS]

  safe bet so [TS]

  oh god just turn off reduce motion you [TS]

  don't need it [TS]

  yes seriously thank you i tried i can't [TS]

  take it I can't take it [TS]

  just close your eyes when you hit the [TS]

  home button now I can't take it [TS]

  aesthetically like I believe I can like [TS]

  yeah well that's what it really is [TS]

  that's the problem is you don't you [TS]

  don't need it for an accessibility [TS]

  reason you just have a preference [TS]

  well then you know it i mean it does [TS]

  it's borderline because like I you feel [TS]

  tiny tiny little bit of vertical but i [TS]

  would get over it like it's not it's not [TS]

  the building was less time you use it [TS]

  like I don't like 15 minutes ago like I [TS]

  can keep going back to reduce motion [TS]

  because again when you send lasers its [TS]

  pain to go back and forth so I leave it [TS]

  and then I realized that it's still on i [TS]

  go [TS]

  all that turned back off for people who [TS]

  are so sensitive that they would need [TS]

  that for the actual accessibility [TS]

  purpose i think it's a reasonable [TS]

  default to disable as many fullscreen [TS]

  animations as possible [TS]

  oh no it's totally a reasonable default [TS]

  totally reasonable default but i don't [TS]

  think that if you did the Venn diagram [TS]

  of people who actually need that feature [TS]

  vs people who are also followed by [TS]

  lasers it's not a hundred percent [TS]

  overlaps that's why the non overlapping [TS]

  region is the place for the second [TS]

  setting and again i will gladly [TS]

  sacrifice the home button setting if you [TS]

  want to keep your number of toggle [TS]

  switches to a constant level with this [TS]

  fireworks [TS]

  yeah look at that this is the most [TS]

  preposterous argument I think I've ever [TS]

  heard you make John syracuse that this [TS]

  is truly ridiculous [TS]

  by the way when reduce motion is on you [TS]

  can send the sparkly little dewdrop [TS]

  message thingies [TS]

  no problem with that that's exactly the [TS]

  same emotions firework speaking of [TS]

  fireworks sparkly little lines that we [TS]

  need to the tap on the little black [TS]

  screen and makes a little group but [TS]

  that's basically a firework that's [TS]

  apparently fine with reduce motion on no [TS]

  lasers I I can't handle this [TS]

  oh my god i have I literally cannot even [TS]

  I'm just I'm worn out from the [TS]

  ridiculous serious how many windows gave [TS]

  up right now Jonny just need something [TS]

  else I mean just this guy i get 3 the [TS]

  most the reason I'm so angry as I can't [TS]

  believe that you two are both against me [TS]

  on this 1i was the odds of one fine but [TS]

  both of you [TS]

  it's just it's reading you know what it [TS]

  is i have i have had to support an app [TS]

  that sometimes didn't look quite right [TS]

  or didn't work quite right with some of [TS]

  these obscure accessibility options [TS]

  turned on and then people people just [TS]

  turn them on and then forget their on [TS]

  and then they send support email saying [TS]

  hey there's a visual bug in your [TS]

  rendering here's a screenshot and they [TS]

  blame me [TS]

  and the reason it looks that way is [TS]

  because of an accessibility settings [TS]

  they set so as a developer i don't have [TS]

  a lot of sympathy for people who set [TS]

  these settings without knowing even what [TS]

  they are just as like little preferences [TS]

  that like who don't need them for these [TS]

  the actual possibility purpose because [TS]

  people tend to forget what I set them [TS]

  then email me saying hey this is a [TS]

  problem you're at because I said the [TS]

  setting i did that i forgot about that [TS]

  that it that I'm not really using for [TS]

  this purpose so i do have a hard time [TS]

  feeling bad for you [TS]

  not using I you keep getting back to the [TS]

  not using for purpose i don't think [TS]

  that's a valid anything like not using [TS]

  for purpose [TS]

  look it's a setting if people want to [TS]

  use it they want to use it all what [TS]

  doesn't count because you're not using [TS]

  it for its intended purpose but they're [TS]

  using the setting anybody can change the [TS]

  switch on the thing like and again i [TS]

  think from you I wise people not being [TS]

  able to figure out why they can't send [TS]

  lasers is just plain you I problem [TS]

  forget about whether you think it's like [TS]

  they should have something in the UI [TS]

  that says I see that you're trying to [TS]

  hold down on this little up arrow like [TS]

  you know like they have a look at blocks [TS]

  indicator like it's the users fault they [TS]

  have cat box on they don't realize [TS]

  they're not miss typing the password the [TS]

  cap locks on you put a visual indicators [TS]

  not even that obvious but you put [TS]

  something on the screen to let them know [TS]

  rather than is leaving them that are [TS]

  stranded holding their thumb down a [TS]

  little upper face and error messages and [TS]

  not understanding why they can't send [TS]

  stuff like that's a you is your [TS]

  independent of what you think whether [TS]

  think it should be supported [TS]

  there should be something in the UI to [TS]

  tell people you may not realize this but [TS]

  the reason you can't do this thing we [TS]

  know you're trying to do it and we know [TS]

  exactly why you can't do it and it's [TS]

  totally not obvious and no one will ever [TS]

  think about setting that they do they [TS]

  change in iOS 7 and thought about since [TS]

  so that is a separate thing entirely and [TS]

  I hope both of you can agree that [TS]

  interfaces together I think you both [TS]

  dealt with people who have not been able [TS]

  to figure out why they can't stand [TS]

  lasers [TS]

  i mean i-i think it should be wanting to [TS]

  agree on that you're sitting you both of [TS]

  you want agree on that it should be more [TS]

  obvious what the cause of not being able [TS]

  to send thank-you thank-you for I was [TS]

  the voice of reason finally Marco still [TS]

  on agree on that but you will let you [TS]

  should be more obvious but even given a [TS]

  chance we didn't even get me just so he [TS]

  decided at me and he is angry people [TS]

  around that instant forget about it in [TS]

  his appt I'm saying because like yes I [TS]

  think that is bad you like to have to [TS]

  just silently fail not tell you I [TS]

  however i disagree with your entire [TS]

  premise of whites matters as much as it [TS]

  does yeah but that's not why i was [TS]

  asking about asking about the narrow [TS]

  case of you agree that it should be [TS]

  because again that's just the UI problem [TS]

  people are confused by interface people [TS]

  are trying to accomplish a task they [TS]

  noticed ask as possible because they've [TS]

  seen a demonstrator trying to accomplish [TS]

  and I can't figure out why they can't [TS]

  and there is a reason and you say [TS]

  whether those reasons good or bad but a [TS]

  good you i will let those people know [TS]

  what the reason is IE again i concurred [TS]

  that the failure is to hidden [TS]

  I think you know let's take a success if [TS]

  you mash down hard on that send button [TS]

  maybe the first time or perhaps every [TS]

  time it's as well you know this is where [TS]

  you would normally be able to do things [TS]

  but because you're you're just [TS]

  ridiculous and your John syracuse so [TS]

  we're not going to let you but here's [TS]

  where you would need to go to fix it [TS]

  that I concur but i still find your [TS]

  entire argument about as sub toggle or [TS]

  what-have-you to be proposed as yes I [TS]

  see I know you you'll be one darul [TS]

  dollar poor later you're saying okay [TS]

  yeah we'll see indeed my god that the [TS]

  same thing is this entire argument has [TS]

  to go on the show because it is so [TS]

  ridiculous so now we're gonna now we [TS]

  have a long show again despite our every [TS]

  effort to keep it short and we actually [TS]

  get a reasonably ok job and here it is [TS]

  two-and-a-half hours later worthen [TS]