The Accidental Tech Podcast

190: The Girl Who Never Came Over


  oh dear miss the beginning of the story [TS]

  it was really funny [TS]

  you missed it yeah was it was the [TS]

  funniest thing ever and you missed it [TS]

  because your skype isn't updated I'm [TS]

  told from half of the internet I've [TS]

  measured it is exactly half [TS]

  wow that there is a reduce motion option [TS]

  and beta 2 don't use their reduce option [TS]

  invaded hammered already in motion [TS]

  option beta 2 i'm told it works i'm told [TS]

  it works the way john wants it to work [TS]

  so if you follow along i have a little [TS]

  bit of cash i will it didn't you get [TS]

  like one or five dollars one dollar so [TS]

  here that this is my one dollar and now [TS]

  listeners i will take this box of [TS]

  envelopes and i will extract that was [TS]

  not nearly as loud as I hoped it would [TS]

  be [TS]

  I will extract one envelope and i will [TS]

  place the staller instead envelope that [TS]

  and I will address it to mr. John [TS]

  siracusa pain and my hindquarters one [TS]

  two three main street somewhere outside [TS]

  boston massachusetts and i will send it [TS]

  along that work because John you are [TS]

  correct in our gentlemen's bet that's [TS]

  where we bet one American dollar you [TS]

  have proved victorious and from [TS]

  everything i am told i have not [TS]

  witnessed this myself so I'm going on [TS]

  faith but I i am told that your reduce [TS]

  motion plus super ridiculous motion [TS]

  messages is a thing so congratulations [TS]

  sir i was gonna say you could wait until [TS]

  it ships because who knows they could [TS]

  put before the update [TS]

  yeah but yeah i'm going to say most [TS]

  likely like if they've got this far [TS]

  even if they don't ship in this update [TS]

  it will be the next one or the one after [TS]

  indeed yeah I'm kind of a try not to let [TS]

  this this newfound power go to my head [TS]

  but I was feel like that I should [TS]

  perhaps exercise the magic the magical [TS]

  phrasing if i can remember the magic [TS]

  words that I said I should try something [TS]

  like talking about how they have an [TS]

  updated the mac pro in a really long [TS]

  time and say this cannot stand and then [TS]

  see what happens but John i'll bet you a [TS]

  dollar they don't update the mac [TS]

  products [TS]

  no no I think I don't think it was the [TS]

  bedding I think it was the the indignity [TS]

  then and I'm I i said this cannot stand [TS]

  I seem to recall saying something really [TS]

  pops like that you know that funny all [TS]

  kidding aside the funny thing about this [TS]

  whole argument was I listened to the [TS]

  last hour and fifteen episodes [TS]

  irreconcilable differences where you [TS]

  talked about this and listening to you [TS]

  and Merlin talk about it i actually [TS]

  think I was on your side [TS]

  don't know what was so different about [TS]

  the way you described it then in the way [TS]

  described it now or we get when on this [TS]

  show I don't know if I was in a [TS]

  punchline Marco is an instigator [TS]

  I think I was instigating more than him [TS]

  on this one although you are correct [TS]

  Marco is in fact an instigator but [TS]

  anyway my defense I I was kind of not [TS]

  arguing against John position of like [TS]

  wanting this wanting this feature really [TS]

  i was i was more kind of exploring and [TS]

  poking me like hey you know why do you [TS]

  think that wants to get it does poking [TS]

  yeah but it was like an inflammatory [TS]

  matter i mean like me I guess I've you [TS]

  almost every one of these little [TS]

  accessibility additions that were added [TS]

  like post ios7 I've you almost all of [TS]

  them as just design failures like if [TS]

  like if the system wasn't so incredibly [TS]

  heavy with unnecessary motion animations [TS]

  this option would need to be there just [TS]

  like it wasn't before iOS 7 nobody was [TS]

  complaining about motion sickness before [TS]

  iOS 7 and then that came out and rather [TS]

  than fix the design you know they they [TS]

  have to add these options just like you [TS]

  know the text was too thin and rather [TS]

  than fix the text they just made full [TS]

  text option button didn't like buttons [TS]

  anymore and rather than make buttons [TS]

  like buttons again they just made an [TS]

  option so like it it's these are all [TS]

  kinds of papering over design flaws [TS]

  really or poor design choices so i'm i'm [TS]

  with you in the sense that you know a [TS]

  obviously anybody who who need these for [TS]

  what most people would would consider [TS]

  accessibility reason you know that's [TS]

  kind of a broad definition but you know [TS]

  more power to it's great that we had his [TS]

  options but be I think we shouldn't even [TS]

  need these options because the system [TS]

  should be designed in a way to be more [TS]

  inclusive and usable to begin with and [TS]

  the fact that it keeps going away from [TS]

  that is kind of a design flaw in my [TS]

  opinion but yeah it was funny listening [TS]

  to reconcile differences because i had [TS]

  been [TS]

  flip a couple episodes behind when when [TS]

  you and I were getting into a John and [TS]

  then I caught up and I was listening to [TS]

  on the rectus and I was like well [TS]

  actually that makes a lot more sense and [TS]

  i wish i could I should have taken notes [TS]

  or something and tried to pinpoint what [TS]

  about your description made more sense [TS]

  to me then but I remember leaving that [TS]

  thinking well I think I'm on his side [TS]

  that's weird just coming to peer [TS]

  pressure because i had someone on the [TS]

  show agree with me see her to people who [TS]

  may be the same way you like the ground [TS]

  is doing and I'm swayed by this court at [TS]

  first that was the yeah yeah [TS]

  Merlin point out this week that was the [TS]

  first episode then I talked about it on [TS]

  ATP is just because of the release [TS]

  schedules are different soon i think i [TS]

  was also less worked up with a but in [TS]

  general on our show when you to both not [TS]

  only disagree with me but seemed to [TS]

  think it was what i was saying was [TS]

  ridiculous i couldn't believe that you [TS]

  didn't see how this was like just an [TS]

  incredible gap like this but this cannot [TS]

  stand I said it and I'll say it again [TS]

  like it just it just seemed like I think [TS]

  that's why I was willing to do the one [TS]

  dollar bet I mean you know me i'm not a [TS]

  big like gambler right but you seem like [TS]

  you really you know I first one was not [TS]

  a big deal but it's just like they just [TS]

  they just have to change they just have [TS]

  to like it's not just like well maybe [TS]

  it's those we just seemed like it had to [TS]

  be done and they're doing it so good and [TS]

  i wish i had the beta now but not to [TS]

  actually install the beta so hopefully [TS]

  the point release will be out soon and [TS]

  i've been using my phone with reduce [TS]

  motion still off every time I want to [TS]

  send effect i go to settings turn it [TS]

  back on sunday affect her off [TS]

  Wow right so John tell me about com [TS]

  people're this is one more data point in [TS]

  the ongoing discussion of the iphone 7 [TS]

  pluses fake background blur thing that [TS]

  it does last show we talked about the [TS]

  confirmation that it was not taking like [TS]

  a fuzzy picture from one camera and [TS]

  combining with another one but was [TS]

  instead of taking the background finding [TS]

  it and learning with a particular [TS]

  algorithm and [TS]

  about that that didn't quite look like [TS]

  the same way an optical blurring looks [TS]

  almost will be able to tell and blah [TS]

  blah [TS]

  anyway I'm kind of people running with a [TS]

  blog post exploring the various ways you [TS]

  can blur things to try to make them look [TS]

  like an out-of-focus picture from a lens [TS]

  so we'll link to that blog postings [TS]

  that's a stupid passes last name [TS]

  measurements [TS]

  yeah I think so he's a filmmaker and [TS]

  photographer so he's know some stuff [TS]

  about this and we had someone named Ben [TS]

  Gunn's burger right into say that he has [TS]

  worked on tools that do this for [TS]

  computer animation like that make the [TS]

  birth blur the background that wasn't [TS]

  actually blurring the camera but they [TS]

  want to make it look like it was and he [TS]

  says that to do it properly is very CPU [TS]

  intensive that they have situations [TS]

  would take multiple minutes per frame to [TS]

  calculate the blur so obviously that's a [TS]

  non-starter if it takes multiple minutes [TS]

  on what I assume is pretty beefy [TS]

  hardware in the visual effects world to [TS]

  do the blur the quorum court right way [TS]

  if Apple's gotta do it and they do a [TS]

  real-time right country like a preview [TS]

  of the blur [TS]

  yeah yeah Cameron think so anyway [TS]

  multiple minutes per frame is not going [TS]

  to happen there so Apple maybe currently [TS]

  constrained not only by the fact that [TS]

  they're faking it for the fact they have [TS]

  to fake it and and do it in real time in [TS]

  the the the a-10 is fast but it's not [TS]

  fast enough to take an operation that [TS]

  takes multiple minutes [TS]

  nevermind it's also multiple minutes on [TS]

  the well I don't know what the [TS]

  resolution is but how many megapixels is [TS]

  the 12 27 camera 8 12 12 [TS]

  yeah that is that higher res than like [TS]

  4k film probably harder than 2k right [TS]

  it's higher than porque no yeah 4k is [TS]

  just over 8 megapixels anyway i hope [TS]

  what is that doing it [TS]

  faking it the right way is is expensive [TS]

  so that would explain a little bit of [TS]

  the crappiness also has some more funny [TS]

  pictures of the blur messing up were [TS]

  posted various places wasn't it [TS]

  somewhere in the slack we saw a picture [TS]

  of a person shot from like the knees up [TS]

  standing in front of something with his [TS]

  arms that aside and the background was [TS]

  blurred but the gap between his arms and [TS]

  his body the cameras didn't find it so [TS]

  that the background was pin-sharp and [TS]

  you look between his arms and his body [TS]

  but the whole rest of the background [TS]

  blur looks really weird that was Stephen [TS]

  hack it wasn't it it was his brother and [TS]

  yeah imagine your arms [TS]

  write your side but there's a gap [TS]

  between your arms and your body and in a [TS]

  glance especially not like blown up [TS]

  full-size I didn't notice the thing [TS]

  wrong with it but then as I looked [TS]

  closer and I think because somebody [TS]

  pointed out it turns out that like John [TS]

  said the area between his brother's arm [TS]

  and his torso was super sharp whereas [TS]

  all the area around his brother was [TS]

  blurred like you would have expected so [TS]

  it was kind of funny to see and I mean [TS]

  this is to be expected in to be fair [TS]

  it'sit's portrait mode not entire body [TS]

  mode and so you know it's not really [TS]

  being used as designed but it was still [TS]

  a funny thing to see in a great example [TS]

  of where it kind of falls on its face [TS]

  today anyway [TS]

  alright moving on let's talk about the [TS]

  ceramic iphone eat there's been a though [TS]

  that maybe not in the last week or two [TS]

  but right when the apple watch edition [TS]

  came out there was a lot of talk of well [TS]

  if this works for a watch [TS]

  why wouldn't this work for a phone and I [TS]

  think there's a lot of different [TS]

  conversations about this and a lot of [TS]

  different ways this can go and I think I [TS]

  for one am very concerned about drop [TS]

  ability not to say these phones are [TS]

  terrible droppable as it is but you know [TS]

  it would a ceramic case like shatter how [TS]

  would that work so so where do we see [TS]

  this going for a potential ceramic [TS]

  iphone eat well I mean it depends like [TS]

  you know it's like some of the possible [TS]

  reasons why they would do this [TS]

  well there was this one big corp post [TS]

  that I think kind of got this started [TS]

  from from somebody who knows what [TS]

  material sciences much more than we do [TS]

  so forgive me for the details here [TS]

  I mean ceramic it has a lot of [TS]

  advantages / aluminum one of them is [TS]

  that it's radio transparent so that gets [TS]

  rid of a lot of antenna problems [TS]

  it's also it's incredibly you know the [TS]

  kind of ceramics that you use in a phone [TS]

  we it can be incredibly scratch [TS]

  resistant and fairly strong you can [TS]

  shatter it it's kinda like sapphire like [TS]

  you can shatter with very strong impact [TS]

  but it takes a pretty pretty strong [TS]

  impact to do that [TS]

  anything less than that is basically [TS]

  invulnerable to ceramic could be very [TS]

  very tough and you know that you can [TS]

  mold in different shades and you know it [TS]

  means there's lots of like manufacturing [TS]

  detail [TS]

  of how you would do it and apple has [TS]

  some interesting patterns in that area [TS]

  but that they appear not have really [TS]

  used for anything yet they probably [TS]

  could do it i don't think any of us know [TS]

  enough about manufacturing to know any [TS]

  details beyond that of like that they [TS]

  could do it for durability that lately [TS]

  we also heard a rumor recently that they [TS]

  are that they're going back to the steel [TS]

  band around the outside design like what [TS]

  we had with the 4 and 4s it you know [TS]

  they have glass on both sides glass has [TS]

  many of the same properties of ceramic [TS]

  as you know you can make it radio [TS]

  transparent and you can make glossy and [TS]

  you can make a pretty scratch-resistant [TS]

  obviously there's some durability [TS]

  questions there but I don't I mean I [TS]

  think Apple solution right now to phone [TS]

  durability to the impacts two drops and [TS]

  everything and their solution right now [TS]

  is cases and applecare like that's [TS]

  that's basically it's like trying to [TS]

  drop your phone if you're the kind of [TS]

  person dropped your phone frequently get [TS]

  a really strong case for it and if you [TS]

  break it [TS]

  hopefully you bought apple care because [TS]

  we're gonna make that easy for you so [TS]

  I'm honestly not sure that they really [TS]

  need to do that much more work in the [TS]

  durability department if it's going to [TS]

  you know make the phone hard [TS]

  manufacturer or less desirable or ugly [TS]

  or like you know gross and plasticky [TS]

  like I don't know and do you think like [TS]

  cases and applecare are enough it's a [TS]

  hack [TS]

  I think they do need to work on [TS]

  durability is just like like you said [TS]

  they are not willing to make the [TS]

  compromises that would require I mean [TS]

  they can make the phone incredibly [TS]

  durable they just made the whole [TS]

  freaking thing out of plastic but [TS]

  plastic feels gross as a screen like we [TS]

  all want to move our hands across the [TS]

  glass screen because it feels better and [TS]

  so they keep trying to make the glass [TS]

  tougher but there's only so much they [TS]

  can do and they spent a long time moving [TS]

  away from glass like they did before in [TS]

  the forest there like we're taking a [TS]

  break from that for a while because the [TS]

  four in the forest had two sides that [TS]

  could break the screen to break in the [TS]

  front and the back you know and two [TS]

  particles chatter at least one that was [TS]

  all the loom designs the 5256 success in [TS]

  the seven that's a lot of phones the [TS]

  front could shatter backs never [TS]

  shattered bend a little sometimes didn't [TS]

  shatter scratch didn't shatter right so [TS]

  the rumor for the next iphone is going [TS]

  to be all glass as you said i have they [TS]

  worked on the shattering thing did they [TS]

  have stronger or more shadow resistant [TS]

  glass i'm not sure what one of the [TS]

  property of glass that's potentially [TS]

  problematic [TS]

  is that it's not a particularly good [TS]

  conductor of heat compared to say [TS]

  aluminum and so if you've got a hot [TS]

  little system-on-a-chip in there you [TS]

  have to get the heat out somewhere maybe [TS]

  it'll be radiating out of the the steel [TS]

  bands or something I don't know but it's [TS]

  tougher to go through glass that is an [TS]

  aluminum back the ceramics were talking [TS]

  about for the iphones as is difficult to [TS]

  talk about this and you can read that [TS]

  corner post that we can find a link for [TS]

  it [TS]

  what do you mean by ceramics around [TS]

  because not just one thing especially [TS]

  with all the apples patents with like [TS]

  well ceramic mix with a bunch of other [TS]

  stuff with like fibers between it or [TS]

  reinforcing materials or polymers or [TS]

  laminates or other things to try to make [TS]

  it not be quite so much like ceramic [TS]

  ceramic has I think that the main [TS]

  problems running has that it is heavy if [TS]

  you make it thick enough to be sturdy if [TS]

  you make it light then it's thin and it [TS]

  has like glass catastrophic failure mode [TS]

  really good right up to the point where [TS]

  it totally goes kablooey [TS]

  anyway we see the watch we see that that [TS]

  they've done the watching ceramic the [TS]

  watches and you an easier situation [TS]

  because people aren't dropping their [TS]

  watches for the most part but they are [TS]

  buying them into things but it's smaller [TS]

  and it's able to be more sturdy because [TS]

  it doesn't have any long continuous flat [TS]

  areas like the back of the phone anyway [TS]

  I think a ceramic iphone is totally [TS]

  plausible that as a thing that apple [TS]

  will experiment with I don't know if [TS]

  they're gonna get to the point where [TS]

  where they can ship something that there [TS]

  are so many materials remember we heard [TS]

  all the rumors about carbon fiber for so [TS]

  many years both about Max and about iOS [TS]

  devices so yeah have because another [TS]

  situation where all that carbon fiber is [TS]

  you know even better than plastic very [TS]

  light very strong has its failure modes [TS]

  are probably not as good as aluminum but [TS]

  not as bad as ceramic or glass but i [TS]

  think a lot of these decisions come down [TS]

  to how much does it cost to manufacture [TS]

  this can we manufacture consistently and [TS]

  how ugly is it right because again i [TS]

  think like what's stopping apple for [TS]

  making the back of all their phones [TS]

  plastic I like it's like it's it's not [TS]

  gonna say stubbornness but it's it's a [TS]

  desire not to ship a product that has [TS]

  plastic on the back because it's seen as [TS]

  and feels that the beat you know it [TS]

  because it is so much plastic back phone [TS]

  radio transparent [TS]

  maybe not good free conduction alright [TS]

  very light very sturdy really good [TS]

  failure modes right maybe a little bit [TS]

  scratchy but like it talk to someone who [TS]

  has a 5 see if it holds up pretty well [TS]

  it's just not as sort of premium [TS]

  experience as glass or aluminum or [TS]

  ceramic would be and so I think they [TS]

  just keep looking for new materials [TS]

  looking for different here is the same [TS]

  reason you got glass in the front [TS]

  plastic on the front sure be so started [TS]

  can you imagine a complete a plastic [TS]

  screen iphone with plastic on the back [TS]

  and lightweight sturdy drop it no [TS]

  problem but it would not feel like an [TS]

  iphone so that's there that's their [TS]

  struggle so I'm gonna look out for [TS]

  surround but i'm pretty sure the next [TS]

  ones that I'm i buy all the classrooms [TS]

  just because the 4 and 4s design was the [TS]

  one that wanted to make at least one [TS]

  that that enough Johnny specifically but [TS]

  it was one of the early designs for like [TS]

  that's what the first iphone was [TS]

  supposed to be and I couldn't pull it [TS]

  off and it took them a really long time [TS]

  till they could pull it off today did [TS]

  pull it off everyone drop the front and [TS]

  shattered front and back and said our [TS]

  item is an upper state break from that [TS]

  take another run at it in how many years [TS]

  was it [TS]

  I counted off before 556 success 75 [TS]

  years they waited and so now after five [TS]

  years of non glass ones are going to try [TS]

  it again and I'm ready to see how much [TS]

  they've improved it respond to this week [TS]

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  show one more thing on the ceramic ax [TS]

  phone before we start talking about [TS]

  cases internet was so helpful person in [TS]

  the chat room has posted a link to the [TS]

  little booklet that comes if you buy the [TS]

  ceramic apple watch edition that talks [TS]

  about their process [TS]

  I'm I'm not following all of it is I'm [TS]

  trying to read it here on the air but it [TS]

  seems like it describes a process [TS]

  whereby they take a ceramic thing and [TS]

  bake it and then machine it after its [TS]

  baked to make it into the watch case [TS]

  thing I don't know we'll put a link in [TS]

  the shadows people can read it and see [TS]

  for themselves but there is a reference [TS]

  to baking it and how much it shrinks [TS]

  during baking and then the reference to [TS]

  machining and polishing and so anyway [TS]

  this watch for all the people who are [TS]

  true believers in the future surround [TS]

  the iphone rumor this watch looks to all [TS]

  the world like the original macbook air [TS]

  which was the trial run of the unibody [TS]

  construction that would eventually go [TS]

  across the entire product line so if [TS]

  this watch thing works out and they [TS]

  master this process by selling a small [TS]

  number of these very expensive watches [TS]

  to people then maybe we'll be four [TS]

  follow up phone after the all-glass one [TS]

  but you know if this is their trial run [TS]

  it's too late for this to be the [TS]

  manufacturing technique tapped for next [TS]

  year's iphone which already has to be [TS]

  much farther along well and also liked [TS]

  it manufacturing a this one fairly high [TS]

  end fairly you know small market Apple [TS]

  watch model Adams material is incredibly [TS]

  different for making the back of every [TS]

  iphone with it like this the difference [TS]

  in scale there's immense like I don't [TS]

  even think this is a good enough tests [TS]

  have to make all the Apple watches have [TS]

  ceramic to have it be even close to the [TS]

  right kind of test but obviously not [TS]

  gonna do that yet so we'll say you know [TS]

  also building off of this i saw a video [TS]

  that was linked to buy a friend sharon [TS]

  jones that is entitled the iphone 7 i've [TS]

  been waiting for in the whole video is [TS]

  two-and-a-half minutes and if you want [TS]

  to see it in its full glory just pause [TS]

  us for two-and-a-half minutes and go [TS]

  watch you don't need audio on the on the [TS]

  video there for listening to me now [TS]

  presumably that's not a problem [TS]

  so what happens is this is this person [TS]

  takes an iphone 7 and like saws off all [TS]

  the sides of it such that they're all [TS]

  flat instead of a dance and down [TS]

  whatever I want this I want this a lot [TS]

  because this matte black iphone 7 that i [TS]

  have i love it i really really do the [TS]

  more you use it the more i like it and i [TS]

  think aesthetically it's my favorite [TS]

  iphone yet but this thing is adorned bar [TS]

  soap and i would love I mean obviously [TS]

  I've never handled this particular [TS]

  gentleman's phone but it stands to [TS]

  reason it would be much easier to grip [TS]

  with the flat sides i would love to have [TS]

  an iphone like this but in black now not [TS]

  silver [TS]

  so yeah I i want this please can I have [TS]

  one [TS]

  I think you only want because you [TS]

  haven't seen it up close yeah it if you [TS]

  notice the video was kind of quick to [TS]

  show the phone once it was all done in [TS]

  this dream s gotta be a mess because [TS]

  this is not a precision operation it's [TS]

  got to look like a phone that has been [TS]

  just messed up [TS]

  yeah I didn't it didn't look good if you [TS]

  try to look closely at the shape look [TS]

  good but the finish did not right that's [TS]

  the thing like if this was officially [TS]

  done i think would be pretty impressive [TS]

  so [TS]

  oh yeah I think that would be neat [TS]

  alright so i talked to my phone many [TS]

  past episodes and my wife's going on a [TS]

  cruise the Mediterranean cruise and she [TS]

  was gonna bring the fancy camera and [TS]

  lenses and talk about that anyway she [TS]

  went she's back she brought the camera [TS]

  back in one piece did not drop it into [TS]

  the ocean took a bunch of pictures with [TS]

  it and when I was going through her [TS]

  pictures getting them sorted into the [TS]

  photos library after return i noticed a [TS]

  bunch of them and she noticed too she [TS]

  said just wait there's something [TS]

  something in a bunch of the pictures [TS]

  you'll see it soon a dark line that [TS]

  appears in a bunch of pictures and the [TS]

  line kind of look semi circular some [TS]

  like is that like a shadow of a lens or [TS]

  something but then I noticed some other [TS]

  ones the line is not perfectly curved [TS]

  like a circle sometimes it changes the [TS]

  angle and I'm like well okay lens [TS]

  aberration wouldn't do that because the [TS]

  lenses are all around or you know [TS]

  spiritual they're not that oddly shaped [TS]

  like I men sometimes the curve in the [TS]

  opposite direction and it would move [TS]

  around and so i posted on Twitter can [TS]

  anyone tell me what's causing the [TS]

  vertical curve shadow lines in these [TS]

  pictures and posted a bunch of sample [TS]

  pictures and then everyone commented [TS]

  about where the pictures are from and [TS]

  whether they've been there or not but in [TS]

  addition to that bunch of people did [TS]

  have guesses as to what it might be my [TS]

  guess was that it was maybe something on [TS]

  the lens because it was in so many [TS]

  pictures so many different environments [TS]

  I didn't think it was what it looks like [TS]

  which is a hair in front of the lens or [TS]

  something because you know you get your [TS]

  hair is under control wouldn't [TS]

  constantly in front lens the lens zoom [TS]

  lens so it's pretty far away I inspected [TS]

  the lenses and there's nothing on them [TS]

  I knew there was stuff on my sensor I [TS]

  could see there like that you can see [TS]

  the same pictures some dots and I could [TS]

  see on the sense that there was some [TS]

  dust they need to get rid of but I'm [TS]

  like what the hell is this line and a [TS]

  lot of people have theories and one [TS]

  theory was exactly correct this is the [TS]

  magic of a crowdsourcing the magic of [TS]

  Twitter this theory was it is a hair the [TS]

  hair is not on the sensor there's not [TS]

  the lens there is not in between [TS]

  elements in lens would rather the hair [TS]

  is caught in the channel that the [TS]

  shutter curtain moves in and when the [TS]

  shutter curtain comes down it snags or [TS]

  otherwise grabs the hair and the channel [TS]

  and briefly flicks it in front of the [TS]

  sensor as it moves up and down and it [TS]

  appears and only appears within pictures [TS]

  with a very small aperture because with [TS]

  wide aperture lights coming in for too [TS]

  many angles and it just eliminates all [TS]

  behind you don't see it so you see it in [TS]

  pictures of the sky or another you know [TS]

  thing with lots of light where the [TS]

  aperture has to squeeze down really [TS]

  small and then most of the incident [TS]

  light rays are traveling in the same [TS]

  direction then you get a shadow this one [TS]

  little hair and the way I found it after [TS]

  having series looked in the channel and [TS]

  way down in the corner of the channel [TS]

  just kind of peeking out like an angle [TS]

  like cutting off the corner of like the [TS]

  educators the challengers the bottom was [TS]

  little tiny hair and so when they're [TS]

  SuperDuper carefully with a pair of [TS]

  tweezers and all the dad knows about [TS]

  like a centimeter and a half long very [TS]

  fond of non-human doesn't look like a [TS]

  human look like a hair from like a [TS]

  rabbit or a squirrel or something really [TS]

  small and I got that out of there so I [TS]

  was like thank God because some of the [TS]

  other theories like oh there's something [TS]

  wrong with your shutter and it's [TS]

  dragging something on the thing or [TS]

  whatever my or you just have to bring a [TS]

  camera back i was so happy to be able to [TS]

  actually extract a hairline yes this is [TS]

  the thing and then you know of course i [TS]

  had to go through the rest of the [TS]

  processing over the desk so I brought [TS]

  one of those sensor cleaning kits and [TS]

  the way you do this is you take a [TS]

  picture of a blue sky and intentionally [TS]

  crank the aperture down to a very tiny [TS]

  opening oh are you just put an auto if [TS]

  the sky is bright enough and you take a [TS]

  picture of what you think it's blank [TS]

  blue sky and then you bring it back into [TS]

  your favorite photo application you [TS]

  filled with the contrast and see if you [TS]

  can see anything looks like a dot and if [TS]

  you do see something like that they're [TS]

  still dust on it and so I use the sensor [TS]

  cleaning kit which is a little scary you [TS]

  know like the people you can damage [TS]

  essentially be super careful but like I [TS]

  bought a thing specifically for that [TS]

  purpose they like square on a stick kind [TS]

  of thing now yeah there's like [TS]

  disposable single you swabs yep yep [TS]

  specifically size for the sensors you [TS]

  just just one swipe only and then you [TS]

  throw them in the garbage is incredibly [TS]

  wasteful but whatever [TS]

  yep and have used two of them one with a [TS]

  little spritz of the stuff on and [TS]

  without the spirits of the stuff anyway [TS]

  and a little blower to get most i hope [TS]

  to just use the bloggers I don't touch [TS]

  get all your little talk it already got [TS]

  all this stuff yeah but the blower [TS]

  didn't dislodge a couple of stubborn [TS]

  things so i use the thing took a bunch [TS]

  of pictures the sky now my sensors clean [TS]

  which always maybe think that camera [TS]

  manufacturers could really really help [TS]

  with this problem but just putting [TS]

  something I mean I like I've never had a [TS]

  DSLR but i assume that the mirror [TS]

  doesn't actually seal up and i know it [TS]

  covers the sensor but doesn't actually [TS]

  like cover doesn't keep dust out right [TS]

  now alright so they they should and be [TS]

  mirrorless cameras should have a little [TS]

  door kind of like the shutter but not [TS]

  the shutter that closes before you can [TS]

  take the lens off like why not do that [TS]

  you know I mean you stop to think the [TS]

  sensor sometimes you still have to have [TS]

  a mechanism like you do wanna said SLR [TS]

  to flip the lines up so you can clean [TS]

  the sensor right but why expose it to [TS]

  the air at all when you're changing [TS]

  lenses just put it on maybe there's [TS]

  enough room for a door whatever not the [TS]

  shutter the shoulder is the shutter fine [TS]

  I'm just has to be high speed and fancy [TS]

  and so is over there's a plain old [TS]

  boring reasonably sealed door that [TS]

  closes and covers the sensor when you [TS]

  change lenses that would be a good idea [TS]

  camera manufacturers anyway [TS]

  moral of the story is i did not [TS]

  correctly convey to my wife exactly how [TS]

  careful you have to be when changing [TS]

  lanes is not that she even changed on [TS]

  she just changed it once and the all [TS]

  takes once for a little just like every [TS]

  time I did it on my long island vacation [TS]

  was like the lens can only be off the [TS]

  camera for shortest possible time I'd [TS]

  have liked staged and setup and you [TS]

  never be have it upwards and just like [TS]

  lens off the cap on lens capital units [TS]

  like it was like trying to defuse a bomb [TS]

  and again never do it in a still [TS]

  environment with still air never point [TS]

  the lens or the camera like just it's [TS]

  you know it's it's nerve-racking and you [TS]

  know she spent a lot of time in her [TS]

  vacation with this hair traveling up and [TS]

  down the channel on the shutter we're [TS]

  just kind of disappointing it's I mean [TS]

  it's it didn't ruin all her pictures but [TS]

  enough of them have a big dark line [TS]

  that's kinda disappointing [TS]

  luckily almost everything indoors [TS]

  doesn't have this problem because the [TS]

  the apertures too big [TS]

  that stinks i'm sorry to hear that but [TS]

  we're problem and you know I don't have [TS]

  the person's name hand [TS]

  but and god only knows this is true or [TS]

  not but I'm taking them at face value [TS]

  somebody told me that are the micro [TS]

  four-thirds cameras which is what i have [TS]

  they all have optical image [TS]

  stabilization or a lot of them if not [TS]

  all of them on the body rather than the [TS]

  lens and they were saying that this [TS]

  person was saying that when you turn the [TS]

  camera on it will actually use the OIS [TS]

  to like shake off any dust that might be [TS]

  on the lens i have no idea if that's [TS]

  true or not what a cool idea even if it [TS]

  isn't true [TS]

  it's a pretty common feature it is it [TS]

  doesn't actually work perfectly but it [TS]

  like are exactly like what like are the [TS]

  5d mark two is that we had didn't have [TS]

  stabilization but just had some kind of [TS]

  like sensor like vibrator thing that [TS]

  would like try to buzz off the dust [TS]

  every time you turn the camera off and [TS]

  and so to have that just constantly [TS]

  going like every time a camera turns off [TS]

  we did occasionally have to blow [TS]

  something up the sensor with the five [TS]

  days but very rarely that I think in the [TS]

  like eight years we use them i think [TS]

  maybe three or four times total whereas [TS]

  with with my sony when I gotta last year [TS]

  literally the first week I had it I got [TS]

  dust of the sensor and similar similar [TS]

  story just not less severe like we were [TS]

  it was last year with the beach house [TS]

  lots of my pictures had this one big [TS]

  spot and eventually took the land office [TS]

  and spotted on the land on the sensor I [TS]

  was on vacation so I couldn't really i [TS]

  didn't have any of the cleaning so I [TS]

  just kinda tolerated it just ended it [TS]

  out is it wasn't too bad to edit out of [TS]

  everything but but yeah that was the [TS]

  camera was like a week old habit [TS]

  immediately and and yeah these you don't [TS]

  realize how good those like [TS]

  automatically vibrate the the center of [TS]

  things are until you have a camera that [TS]

  doesn't do it or doesn't have it but the [TS]

  sonys it it has that feature but just [TS]

  that it doesn't do it every time it does [TS]

  it only on demand and it only partially [TS]

  works but now i think that that feature [TS]

  could help a little bit but in my case [TS]

  first holding on the hair [TS]

  there's not even on the sensors you like [TS]

  a sensor all you want it's not going to [TS]

  help that would have been there and for [TS]

  the dust the pieces that I had to [TS]

  eventually use the mechanical method of [TS]

  actually swapping them off the blower [TS]

  the little you know hurricane blower you [TS]

  know shoot various concentrating that [TS]

  couldn't even remove them like they were [TS]

  on their good wasn't just like instant [TS]

  dust that happened to float on there [TS]

  they were so wedged on there that [TS]

  very force of old very concentrated [TS]

  stream there cannot dislodge them [TS]

  actually had to swipe them away so I [TS]

  have a little faith in a sensor shake [TS]

  would have taken them off to ya but [TS]

  again a door with some kind of [TS]

  reasonable ceiling [TS]

  who better than nothing would go a long [TS]

  way towards making me a changing lenses [TS]

  less nerve-racking [TS]

  now i do the same way you do and I'm [TS]

  sure marcos the same as well where [TS]

  everything stage ready to go the cameras [TS]

  always upside down [TS]

  I'm not as intent on it being still air [TS]

  but you know we do we can and the whole [TS]

  thought of this happening to me is [TS]

  terrifying so I'm very impressed you [TS]

  were able to get this done without [TS]

  destroying lens or the the sensor which [TS]

  is what I surely somehow would have done [TS]

  knowing the ad poured water on it [TS]

  somehow i don't know how you could like [TS]

  people say oh it's so Delta you have to [TS]

  be careful like it looks pretty sturdy [TS]

  down there I mean you're swapping it [TS]

  when I swab the cross it felt like a [TS]

  smooth surface but the swab it's not [TS]

  like it has little snake like I don't [TS]

  understand how you go about breaking and [TS]

  I suppose you could scratch it in some [TS]

  way but only thing I'm touching it with [TS]

  these microfiber swabi things that I [TS]

  assume are safe and yeah I hope you [TS]

  don't have to do that again but like [TS]

  taking pictures an empty blue sky and [TS]

  checking for any little splotches on it [TS]

  you'll see them like you don't have to [TS]

  be an expert to be especially if you [TS]

  start feeling with the contrast control [TS]

  you will find the spots that are there [TS]

  because I swapped it and I can see where [TS]

  the spot used to be was still a little [TS]

  you know i had actually remove the [TS]

  material I couldn't see with my eyeballs [TS]

  anymore but on the sensor gets a little [TS]

  spot and that's why I had to use like [TS]

  the cleaning stuff and then that got rid [TS]

  of it for good now just messing with the [TS]

  controls trying to find any little speck [TS]

  and I was like oh that's jpeg [TS]

  compression nevermind to Rose I guess [TS]

  anyway i'm pretty sure i didn't destroy [TS]

  my camera still seems to work no more [TS]

  hair no more spots right so i have a [TS]

  brief tale of woe and a plea for help on [TS]

  my work computer [TS]

  I typically use a pair of headphones [TS]

  bluetooth headphones i bought literally [TS]

  five years ago [TS]

  i bought it and they're perfect in every [TS]

  way as we've always heard yeah about [TS]

  that so i bought them on august 15 2011 [TS]

  and their Arctic sound p 3 11 service [TS]

  have espoused the numerous times because [TS]

  while they are not perfect they [TS]

  accomplish everything satisfactorily [TS]

  inside of that satisfactory way so they [TS]

  are sufficient you know is how much [TS]

  horsepower does it does the rolls-royce [TS]

  have sufficient amount of horsepower i [TS]

  upgraded to sierra on-line on my work [TS]

  Mac and suddenly they are not sufficient [TS]

  anymore for whatever reason and i don't [TS]

  know why they sound like a hugely hugely [TS]

  hugely compressed and I ran into this [TS]

  once years ago and it ended up that [TS]

  there was like a bit value or something [TS]

  like that you could change in the [TS]

  bluetooth Explorer app which you have to [TS]

  get via xcode tools now and that fix my [TS]

  problem like years ago i've noticed that [TS]

  when this first happened the symbols [TS]

  were terrible and super compressed and [TS]

  it was just awful and i was able to fix [TS]

  it [TS]

  try doing the same thing this time and [TS]

  did make a difference so I unpair repair [TS]

  I've done all sorts of things I haven't [TS]

  tried again after having cleared my peer [TS]

  am just for grins and giggles I've done [TS]

  everything except that and I thought [TS]

  well maybe just something weird is going [TS]

  on there [TS]

  their ancient headphones at this point I [TS]

  let me just get a new set so i got the [TS]

  equivalent set that's newer and so are [TS]

  they came in today and they are also [TS]

  Arctic sound but these are p 2 53 and we [TS]

  will have links to these and show notes [TS]

  and I a good news bad news good news is [TS]

  they sound great [TS]

  well as great as a thirty-dollar set up [TS]

  bluetooth headphones can sound but every [TS]

  time there's any audio playing of any [TS]

  sort the right channel has a buzzing in [TS]

  them which in the span of about 45 [TS]

  seconds drove me absolutely crazy [TS]

  it took that long yeah how did this [TS]

  review possibly start out any positive [TS]

  way [TS]

  so I'm returning these headphones [TS]

  because it did you know like hand on [TS]

  heart i did not know this for some if [TS]

  not all things you can return it [TS]

  amazon for free yeah but usually you get [TS]

  to meet her and shipping and the other [TS]

  leaders like six bucks from your from [TS]

  your return or something I was that what [TS]

  it does okay because it according to [TS]

  them they were like your shipping label [TS]

  and I didn't come across compare how [TS]

  much the cost of the item was versus how [TS]

  much they were saying they're going to [TS]

  refund me so maybe that's what it is but [TS]

  anyway so it's it's super awesome day if [TS]

  you ever returning amazon they make it [TS]

  incredibly easy on you [TS]

  yep so i am going to return them but [TS]

  here's my predicament i want for better [TS]

  or worse bluetooth headphones i [TS]

  understand that not everyone wants them [TS]

  i do i prefer bluetooth headphones and I [TS]

  think the reason i prefer them is [TS]

  because convenience is a bigger priority [TS]

  to me than perfect sound fidelity well [TS]

  then in that case just wait for the air [TS]

  pods well so here's the thing i agree [TS]

  that that's probably going to be the [TS]

  best answer but they supposedly only run [TS]

  for five hours before they need a charge [TS]

  and I know that it will charged quickly [TS]

  but I typically sit at my desk meetings [TS]

  aside 488 behalf hours a day [TS]

  these ancient headphones with their [TS]

  five-year-old battery that I love so but [TS]

  used to go like two two-and-a-half days [TS]

  between charges easily and with meetings [TS]

  during the day and whatnot so it's not [TS]

  exactly an apples-to-apples comparison [TS]

  but you get my point [TS]

  I think the answer is going to be [TS]

  getting pods but is there any and this [TS]

  is kind of rhetorical kind of not [TS]

  especially for You Marco is there any [TS]

  set of bluetooth headphones that whether [TS]

  or not they are perfect audio fidelity [TS]

  because again i don't care for Marco's [TS]

  purposes let's just assume i never [TS]

  listen to music on them which is a [TS]

  complete nutter life but let's just look [TS]

  for your purposes if you are satisfied [TS]

  with podcast fidelity that will probably [TS]

  be sufficient for my music fidelity for [TS]

  this use case [TS]

  are there any headphones bluetooth [TS]

  headphones that have batteries that [TS]

  lasts about 10 hours let's say that [TS]

  don't suck and here's the kicker though [TS]

  that have a bar that goes behind the [TS]

  back of your neck rather than over your [TS]

  head why ladies and gentlemen because i [TS]

  am weird in my hair kind of sticks up a [TS]

  little bit and [TS]

  oops and if i put a bar across the top [TS]

  of my head 48 hours it all [TS]

  it'll have like that imprint in my head [TS]

  always which is not advisable [TS]

  so all my ladies and gentlemen you could [TS]

  have just said manatee yes actually that [TS]

  was that was an easy why you don't want [TS]

  to mess up your hair [TS]

  that's why right that is absolutely hand [TS]

  on heart that no argument absolutely [TS]

  absolutely true there are some [TS]

  advantages to both of us anyway [TS]

  yeah haha so I i'm making fun of myself [TS]

  but I really honestly am asking and [TS]

  maybe we don't answer during the show [TS]

  but I don't have anything against your [TS]

  buds but i'd rather have an over here or [TS]

  like the ones that I had kind of dangled [TS]

  on your ear which I understand makes [TS]

  most people crazy but for me I like it [TS]

  works for me [TS]

  so is it will put the links to the ones [TS]

  I'm talking about in the show notes is [TS]

  there any set of bluetooth headphones [TS]

  that's even vaguely like this that is [TS]

  not a total piece of garbage that I [TS]

  would not have to charge in the middle [TS]

  of the day if I have to charge him every [TS]

  night [TS]

  fine no big deal but I don't have to [TS]

  charge the middle of the day I think [TS]

  Marco you're absolutely right what's [TS]

  gonna end up happening is I'm gonna [TS]

  spend way more money than I want to and [TS]

  I'm gonna get the earpods and i'll [TS]

  probably love them and it will probably [TS]

  be fine and I'll put them in the little [TS]

  Tic Tac case during meetings i'll never [TS]

  know the difference [TS]

  I suspect that's going to be the winner [TS]

  but is there any other option [TS]

  preferably not buds but buds I would [TS]

  maybe entertain is there anything else [TS]

  you can think of that it doesn't go over [TS]

  the head so I i'm going to fill you with [TS]

  hope but ultimately provide no value [TS]

  whatsoever haha so it [TS]

  the problem is this is honestly i've [TS]

  i've been considering just stopping [TS]

  reviewing headphones because i know [TS]

  because i want you to review the [TS]

  bluetooth headphones now the bluetooth [TS]

  is in vogue ish kind of here's the thing [TS]

  so basically like you know right now [TS]

  everyone keeps asking me you know what [TS]

  they should get a bluetooth and [TS]

  everything and it with bluetooth there [TS]

  are so I mean the hip market has grown a [TS]

  lot in the last couple years since i [TS]

  since i started my big review his like [TS]

  there's so many models now and people [TS]

  have so many different needs and the [TS]

  fact is like it takes a lot of time and [TS]

  a lot of money [TS]

  to buy or somehow acquire all these [TS]

  headphones and test them properly a [TS]

  useful way that's why like when the wire [TS]

  cutter does that they have like a whole [TS]

  team of people doing it takes a long [TS]

  time and that's what they're there [TS]

  full-time job is to work on stuff like [TS]

  this and also the headphone market has [TS]

  gotten had basically like well as beats [TS]

  came around a few years ago it a lot of [TS]

  people took notice of here's a place we [TS]

  can make a lot of money so now there are [TS]

  tons of headphone brands and tons of [TS]

  like allegedly awesome new headphones [TS]

  coming out on the market all the time [TS]

  and many of them are very expensive many [TS]

  of them are like you know four hundred [TS]

  dollars and up basically which is you [TS]

  know for for an audio file that's kind [TS]

  of normal but for regular person is a [TS]

  very expensive pair of headphones so [TS]

  there are so many now that almost nobody [TS]

  including the wire cutter actually [TS]

  reviews a meaningful number of them to [TS]

  be able to give you a a useful blanket [TS]

  recommendation like if you read the wire [TS]

  cutter they always go through and one of [TS]

  the things that they'll spend a few [TS]

  paragraphs doing is saying like here's [TS]

  the ones we tested and here's a whole [TS]

  bunch we didn't even test because you [TS]

  know the reviews it look at an Amazon or [TS]

  what you know whatever other reasons [TS]

  they have because you you basically have [TS]

  to rule out large swathes of what's out [TS]

  there just to have her a possible number [TS]

  to review and with bluetooth everything [TS]

  is is even worse now because now there's [TS]

  like even more factors that matter that [TS]

  before you have to worry about as much [TS]

  things like latency you know the the [TS]

  weather you compared to multiple devices [TS]

  or not whether whether it has decent [TS]

  reception the phone whether it supports [TS]

  different codecs that are now out there [TS]

  and then like the useful things like how [TS]

  you how you control with others buttons [TS]

  on it or some kind of touch gesture [TS]

  controls to control like pausing and [TS]

  volume and stuff it is so complicated [TS]

  now there are so many models from thirty [TS]

  dollars to a thousand dollars [TS]

  yep no reviewer can meaningfully try [TS]

  good numbers here going to happen now [TS]

  right now as I speak as people as they [TS]

  are writing you emails telling you what [TS]

  they bought and say these are the best [TS]

  but all they can tell you is that's what [TS]

  they bought because they probably have [TS]

  tried between 0 and five other players [TS]

  out of a market with hundreds [TS]

  centuries there's really nothing that [TS]

  most people can tell you that will be [TS]

  very helpful even on amazon have the [TS]

  reviews on Amazon these days are fake [TS]

  they paid their their fraud like it's so [TS]

  hard to find good information with the [TS]

  kind of stuff so basically how do you [TS]

  find the ones you have now was it just [TS]

  you know browse online a bit look at [TS]

  some reviews and just buy them yeah [TS]

  pretty much [TS]

  that's what you're gonna have to do [TS]

  again like that's that when you're [TS]

  buying headphones that's basically and [TS]

  not to mention even if you find you find [TS]

  a place that reviewed about your [TS]

  headphones in a way that was useful to [TS]

  you people have such widely different [TS]

  tastes in headphones people have very [TS]

  different preferences like the whole [TS]

  list that i made disagreed substantially [TS]

  a lot of times with the wire cutter and [TS]

  places like that there are there are a [TS]

  few big head reviews out there in the [TS]

  world that I disagree strongly with and [TS]

  somebody agrees and strong with and you [TS]

  can never know like what you're gonna [TS]

  find out there because it's so [TS]

  subjective like there is no like people [TS]

  that people always think that there's [TS]

  like some idea of how headphones should [TS]

  sound but there isn't one that everyone [TS]

  agrees on either there's a whole bunch [TS]

  of argument about that but basically [TS]

  there is no such thing as like the the [TS]

  best way a headphone should sound that's [TS]

  why the agreed-upon basically no one to [TS]

  tell you anything that is going to be [TS]

  more useful than what you're going to [TS]

  find by just searching places like [TS]

  Amazon reading a few user reviews and [TS]

  just picking one and if it sucks return [TS]

  it [TS]

  otherwise keep it until it dies so all [TS]

  that being said this is probably a bad [TS]

  time to invest in a pair bluetooth [TS]

  headphones because the airport is aren't [TS]

  out yet and even though i expect them to [TS]

  sound really mediocre at best because [TS]

  Apple has apple has not made a pair of [TS]

  headphones that sounds good [TS]

  including all the ones by beats they [TS]

  have not making the sounds good [TS]

  they can achieve practical they can [TS]

  achieve you know good enough in for many [TS]

  people for many roles and I mentioned [TS]

  like I listened on my pair of of [TS]

  Bluetooth sennheiser PX 210 bt's that [TS]

  that sounds horrible that they have the [TS]

  worst thing in the world but listen [TS]

  because they're incredibly practical [TS]

  that I think is going to be the appeal [TS]

  of their pods that they are going to be [TS]

  incredibly practical and nice to use [TS]

  although i do have a very strong concern [TS]

  about the the [TS]

  real-world annoyance of not being able [TS]

  to have like a clicker and volume [TS]

  controls on them as we discussed [TS]

  previously like to only have Siri or to [TS]

  only be able to map the the tap on the [TS]

  thing to like play pause and no other [TS]

  commands that anything is going to be [TS]

  annoying but that being said I think in [TS]

  all there are other ways airports are [TS]

  probably going to be pretty great if [TS]

  what you're valuing is convenience over [TS]

  sound quality which I which all jokes [TS]

  aside that is absolutely what I am [TS]

  valuing I for this use case i would much [TS]

  rather have convenience over sound [TS]

  quality now I have a really great set of [TS]

  their dynamics that are listening to [TS]

  right now I have a really great set of [TS]

  open-air sennheisers that admittedly our [TS]

  ancient but still sound phenomenal [TS]

  they're so great i have a set of [TS]

  ultimate ears in your earbuds that also [TS]

  sounds great so I understand what good [TS]

  had headphones sound like I get it it's [TS]

  just for me this is not a time when I [TS]

  where I am worrying about perfect audio [TS]

  fidelity and I think to your point Marco [TS]

  the answers either going to be the beats [TS]

  x which is the kind of sporty ones that [TS]

  it's too earbuds tied together by a loop [TS]

  that goes behind your neck which is a [TS]

  hundred fifty bucks or more likely if [TS]

  I'm already in 450 well crap why not do [TS]

  a hundred and sixty seventy whatever it [TS]

  is for the air pods and i suspect that [TS]

  even though i am sitting here tellin you [TS]

  I'm worried about making it a whole day [TS]

  at work I have enough meetings and in [TS]

  general mucking about talking to people [TS]

  during the day that I sure I can get [TS]

  through the day with just a little bit [TS]

  of charging in the case here and there [TS]

  and Matt Bischoff and the chat asking [TS]

  don't you go to lunch at any point and [TS]

  sometimes yes but oftentimes I just [TS]

  bring a sandwich and just eat at my desk [TS]

  and so that's not it's not there's no [TS]

  guaranteed time when I'm gonna get up [TS]

  and be able to charge but i suspect that [TS]

  I will be able to make it work with [TS]

  their pods and for convenience that's [TS]

  probably the best option that I have [TS]

  but internet if you have a a really good [TS]

  idea [TS]

  preferably on or over here preferably [TS]

  that doesn't go over the top of your [TS]

  head because you're vain petty idiot [TS]

  let me know that bees morning air pods [TS]

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  mattress thanks to cast for sponsoring [TS]

  our show so Google had an event they [TS]

  announced the google pixel phones [TS]

  there's a pixel and pixel XL i believe [TS]

  it is which are effectively the [TS]

  equivalent of the iphone 7 iphone 7 plus [TS]

  the phones look good i guess mean what [TS]

  kind of iphone ish they look kind of [TS]

  like somebody described the way iphone 6 [TS]

  looks like over the phone to someone [TS]

  else and then this is what came out [TS]

  yeah that's a relatively fair [TS]

  characterization I think it look they [TS]

  look there is fairly iphone ish but the [TS]

  one thing I will say is the back of them [TS]

  are does that look rough because there's [TS]

  like some areas that looks like it's [TS]

  plastic some that looks like it's glass [TS]

  and it's just wolfe no thank you [TS]

  but generally speaking outside of that [TS]

  they seem like they're good devices [TS]

  there's no camera bump which they made a [TS]

  snarky comment about into I don't really [TS]

  blame them because the camera bump kind [TS]

  of stinks well I mean to be fair like [TS]

  they can be making snarky remarks about [TS]

  good design when they're presenting that [TS]

  is there from you know the I don't think [TS]

  the design is bad with the exception of [TS]

  the heck but I mean whatever it does [TS]

  have a headphone jack which that of [TS]

  course they were super snarky about [TS]

  which I'm not surprised the kind of [TS]

  disappointed because it would be really [TS]

  neat if there was a unified front on [TS]

  this issue but whatever [TS]

  no optical image no no physical optical [TS]

  image stabilization which I thought [TS]

  there was when i was watching the [TS]

  keynote but it turns out there was not [TS]

  it's all in software which on the one [TS]

  side i'm like half like they'll get that [TS]

  right but then again I've seen the [TS]

  google app that does the life that was [TS]

  emotion stills i think they call it yet [TS]

  which is the live photo stabilization [TS]

  thing and by god that's the work of [TS]

  magic so it's possible they'll get that [TS]

  right [TS]

  overall I mean it looks like it's decent [TS]

  hardware I all told the presentation was [TS]

  ok [TS]

  it was apple ish in some good ways in [TS]

  some bad ways way better than apple in [TS]

  terms of diversity i do want to call [TS]

  that out I i think they did a much [TS]

  better job with that [TS]

  that being said the birds the presenters [TS]

  were kind of okay i mean i don't think [TS]

  any of them were great and I mean that [TS]

  Apple every Apple presenter is amazing [TS]

  but i think by and large apple [TS]

  presenters do a pretty darn good job and [TS]

  even some first-time presenters like [TS]

  this message on did an amazing job [TS]

  so there's a high bar in that regard but [TS]

  in all this is bad [TS]

  the back is no good that the name of the [TS]

  colors there's very silver quite black [TS]

  and really blue seriously whatever [TS]

  yeah I did I'd I can't even the prices [TS]

  are the same as equivalent iphones which [TS]

  is cool i mean i guess that means that [TS]

  that's apparently the price to hit they [TS]

  only come in 32 gigs and 128 gigs [TS]

  there's no 256 gig option like you can [TS]

  find on an iphone i come search for its [TS]

  pretty orderable now i think its ships [TS]

  in a couple of weeks I looks good but [TS]

  the thing that was most impressive to me [TS]

  about the entire presentation which is [TS]

  both good and bad was any google photos [TS]

  user which is presumably anyone will [TS]

  have this phone gets free unlimited [TS]

  storage for all the photos and video [TS]

  that come off of there pixel phone and [TS]

  as someone who was a devout cool photos [TS]

  user that is amazing and I am super [TS]

  jealous [TS]

  we haven't yet seen why we need to care [TS]

  about google's phone releases because [TS]

  they've made phones for a while under [TS]

  the nexus brand and we haven't needed to [TS]

  care about those yet because [TS]

  historically they've been pretty rough [TS]

  with any kind of retail presence of any [TS]

  kind of deals with the carrier to get [TS]

  their phones promoted into stores and [TS]

  everything it's been it's been not not [TS]

  one of your strong points [TS]

  you know the android marketplace is [TS]

  really just been for the most part the [TS]

  samsung marketplace in recent years the [TS]

  timing of this is interesting with [TS]

  Samsung having a pretty bad time right [TS]

  now with with this note 7 disaster and [TS]

  Google coming in and [TS]

  hey we we have an alternative for you if [TS]

  you want to keep with Android and maybe [TS]

  going to carriers now and saying hey you [TS]

  can integrate with us now we'll pull [TS]

  your bloatware crap on there as it left [TS]

  I saw story that's been doing that so [TS]

  the timing is is opportune for Google to [TS]

  to take back some of the android inertia [TS]

  from Samsung a little bit but i do think [TS]

  we have we still have not seen google [TS]

  really show the world yet that their [TS]

  first party hardware products can [TS]

  actually get any traction in retail in [TS]

  the marketplace so you know if they do [TS]

  then great then we have another strong [TS]

  competitor the industry will be better [TS]

  off customers we better off but i just [TS]

  don't see why why we need to care about [TS]

  this yet because the based on their past [TS]

  the chances of is really taking off I I [TS]

  don't think our are guaranteed i think [TS]

  for the first time they have a couple of [TS]

  pitches and an ad campaign that have a [TS]

  chance of resonating with iOS users as [TS]

  we mentioned a couple shows ago the [TS]

  whole thing of like making fun of the [TS]

  iphone where you take a picture and it [TS]

  shows you're out of storage touting the [TS]

  whole you know Google we take your [TS]

  pictures and then throw up to the cloud [TS]

  and our crap actually works type of [TS]

  angle and then this is just one step [TS]

  further along the same lines for saying [TS]

  you get this phone not only does our [TS]

  stuff work to put yourself in the cloud [TS]

  but we don't charge you some big monthly [TS]

  fee for your storage get this phone [TS]

  don't worry about storage anymore really [TS]

  don't worry about it you have unlimited [TS]

  storage in the cloud so on and so forth [TS]

  in this article on the verge talking [TS]

  about the same like see Apple see what [TS]

  you have to do once you give people [TS]

  cloud storage equal to the size of their [TS]

  phone which was the only thing you talk [TS]

  about one just get wise an apple just do [TS]

  this and made the answers obvious [TS]

  because google monetizes the stuff that [TS]

  you uploaded to the cloud google you [TS]

  know anonymizing looks at your crap and [TS]

  then lose use it for machine learning [TS]

  your dad doesn't like you know they're [TS]

  they're not as privacy focuses apple is [TS]

  well but that's see that's kind of a bad [TS]

  example though because people say like [TS]

  who can afford to do this because [TS]

  they're making money off your privacy [TS]

  Apple can't do this but that's not your [TS]

  Apple makes money to make tons of money [TS]

  off the hardware I i would bet apples [TS]

  make it more per phone then Google will [TS]

  yeah I know but it's the same business [TS]

  though they're both that like you can [TS]

  say which company is able to make more [TS]

  money of things but in the end there is [TS]

  there's apple to Apple they're both [TS]

  making phones somehow that both making [TS]

  the operating system somehow that both [TS]

  running the cloud services stores your [TS]

  photos somehow right and if Apple's able [TS]

  to make more money on hardware and less [TS]

  money on services and Google's reverse [TS]

  that's all well and good but google has [TS]

  one big thing that apple doesn't have [TS]

  that there's no apples-to-apples [TS]

  comparison for which is we have a search [TS]

  engine that brings us huge amounts of [TS]

  money through advertising and huge [TS]

  amounts of data to feed into our [TS]

  analytical engine to figure out like you [TS]

  know anything you can imagine wanting to [TS]

  do with machine learning google has so [TS]

  many inputs into that system that Apple [TS]

  has no you know no comparison so even if [TS]

  Apple want to do everything google does [TS]

  in terms of monetizing your data they [TS]

  can't because they don't have as much [TS]

  input into the system it's not as [TS]

  valuable to them so what we have your [TS]

  pictures what can we do with that [TS]

  well you can use it to feed your engines [TS]

  the figures huh cell searches what I [TS]

  mean search as we don't have a search [TS]

  engine right so Google still has that [TS]

  big strength in terms of monetizing your [TS]

  stuff and you're right there saying well [TS]

  apples got a lot of money in the bank [TS]

  Apple could get free unlimited cloud [TS]

  video storage to all the customers for [TS]

  the next 150 years and only cut like a [TS]

  tiny sliver off the mountain of cash [TS]

  they have right that is all true [TS]

  no i'm not even talking about like cash [TS]

  like cash reserves are now using a [TS]

  profit margins on the hardware right [TS]

  they make more money on the harbor the [TS]

  right like the the google model is we're [TS]

  going to we're going to somehow get you [TS]

  this phone then we're gonna make money [TS]

  on you over time as you use our stuff [TS]

  with that Apple model is we're going to [TS]

  make money on this phone upfront and by [TS]

  the way with this to make money off [TS]

  everybody with their thirty percent cut [TS]

  from the app store and everything else [TS]

  but you know it even if they only make [TS]

  money from the phone hardware from [TS]

  somebody and there and then after that [TS]

  point that person is a cost Center as [TS]

  they get all their iCloud stuff hosted [TS]

  for free or whatever else they want a [TS]

  plan like this you're still making money [TS]

  somewhere and there's plenty of profit [TS]

  on a phone that's priceless phones are [TS]

  priced they could if they wanted to just [TS]

  give people cloud storage in a way that [TS]

  would probably not have [TS]

  that's significant impact on their [TS]

  margins they just don't do it because [TS]

  they like making the next level five [TS]

  bucks a month from the very small number [TS]

  of people who are going to buy cloud [TS]

  storage or whatever but you know it's [TS]

  setting aside how you pay for it because [TS]

  again both companies can pay for it in [TS]

  their own ways [TS]

  apple doesn't have to become this crazy [TS]

  ad companies invade your privacy to have [TS]

  enough profit margin iphone to host your [TS]

  photos for a couple years google does [TS]

  that anyway but you know they even they [TS]

  don't if they're selling the hardware [TS]

  that you don't necessarily to elevated [TS]

  want to but so assuming both companies [TS]

  have ways to pay for it because they [TS]

  both do without changing their business [TS]

  models they both ways to pay for it then [TS]

  I think Google's approach of giving you [TS]

  more of that like hosting that is a much [TS]

  more customer friendly approach it is a [TS]

  much more likely approach to succeed it [TS]

  in terms of getting people to use all [TS]

  these photo uploads getting people to [TS]

  actually have their photos backed up to [TS]

  the cloud somehow and I wish Apple would [TS]

  do it [TS]

  that being said that isn't today's apple [TS]

  style that's not that's not like a tim [TS]

  cook or even Steve Jobs Apple style i [TS]

  don't see them doing that anytime for [TS]

  the foreseeable future but i think [TS]

  that's a shame because I think not only [TS]

  could they afford to do without becoming [TS]

  a privacy innovative company just using [TS]

  the margin they already have but i think [TS]

  it makes for a way better customer [TS]

  experience to just know that whatever [TS]

  photos you take on your phone [TS]

  they're just backed up data storage is [TS]

  really really cheap these days [TS]

  especially the kind of scale that Apple [TS]

  Google working out the data centers and [TS]

  everything on the web services contract [TS]

  so it's not like they can afford it's [TS]

  not like it's even a big cost it's just [TS]

  apples using that additional photo [TS]

  storage as a potential center for [TS]

  for-profit from service revenue and [TS]

  Google is saying for these people who [TS]

  buy our phone work is not going to have [TS]

  that as a way to make money we're gonna [TS]

  do it some other way and it just it's a [TS]

  difference of opinion of like what's [TS]

  what's the what is a reasonable place to [TS]

  make money from people where do you want [TS]

  to nickel and dime numbers give them a [TS]

  bunch of stuff for free and again both [TS]

  companies can do this but only one of [TS]

  them is doing it well the Apple has been [TS]

  breaking down its its margins dividing [TS]

  out services separately so if Apple's to [TS]

  do this it would take the [TS]

  one part of their business that they [TS]

  keep using to try to distract you from [TS]

  the fact that their phone business is [TS]

  growing like it used to the services [TS]

  party a look at our year-over-year [TS]

  services growth and it will take a bite [TS]

  out of it and even though you say oh [TS]

  well just pay for that with the hardware [TS]

  margins the way that becomes visible in [TS]

  earnings call is service revenue was up [TS]

  you know forty percent year-over-year [TS]

  but oh now we did this restart reveron [TS]

  plan and service revenue is only a five [TS]

  percent this year or its down five [TS]

  percent or something like that it's like [TS]

  oh that was supposed to be the bright [TS]

  spot in your earnings call because the [TS]

  other your other businesses are stagnant [TS]

  or not growing as fast as they used to [TS]

  be and now even your services one is [TS]

  taking hit that would not be good [TS]

  because like you said you know what you [TS]

  get the same thing with the cash we just [TS]

  said oh we're giving away storage and [TS]

  the way we're going to pay for it is [TS]

  we're just going to burn cash to do it [TS]

  like these are all things that are [TS]

  possible numerically but don't look good [TS]

  to the outside world of like do you have [TS]

  a sustainable business whereas [TS]

  a sustainable business whereas [TS]

  google you know all of its cost centers [TS]

  are running all the stuff it's like it's [TS]

  all under the same umbrella of get more [TS]

  people get more of those people's [TS]

  information that feeds the Beast that [TS]

  you know that we make money off of and [TS]

  they complain about Google's you're not [TS]

  making enough money off of your users [TS]

  you have so many users you have all this [TS]

  data apple make so much more money off [TS]

  of every one of its users than you do [TS]

  you need to find a way to monetize them [TS]

  better and that's a persistent playing [TS]

  about google but this is just more of [TS]

  the same with them because they ok well [TS]

  we heard you complained but we're going [TS]

  to keep doing that thing we do is we try [TS]

  to get everyone's data as much as [TS]

  possible getting used games use our [TS]

  services and the more data we have no [TS]

  more use we have the more money we make [TS]

  even if our margins aren't that big [TS]

  and in theory like like Casey said this [TS]

  phone is these phones are the same price [TS]

  as iPhones they're made of the same [TS]

  materials there you know like that [TS]

  probably cheaper materials in the grand [TS]

  scheme of things because google is not [TS]

  as obsessive about manufacturing and [TS]

  tolerances and they didn't have to [TS]

  design their own ships are buying [TS]

  off-the-shelf from Qualcomm which means [TS]

  that the pic kuala margin where they [TS]

  handed down to pay for the R&D to [TS]

  develop the chip in the you know anyway [TS]

  in theory google could be making similar [TS]

  margins to apple they're just not a good [TS]

  at this business they don't make enough [TS]

  phones they're not as good as Apple so [TS]

  they don't make as big margins and [TS]

  similarly for the server side component [TS]

  apples not as good at Google is this [TS]

  I'm sure apple stuff costs more to them [TS]

  because they're not as good at doing [TS]

  services that it's less reliable less [TS]

  performance less scalable and it [TS]

  probably costs Apple more than across [TS]

  cool because Google's really good at [TS]

  this stuff and has a much bigger scale [TS]

  and they have a much bigger scale [TS]

  because they don't just run a service [TS]

  that stores people's photos they run the [TS]

  world's biggest search engine and tons [TS]

  of other crap and they have a lot of [TS]

  servers in a lot of storage and a lot of [TS]

  in-house hardware and software and know [TS]

  how to make this work [TS]

  so this is definitely asymmetrical [TS]

  warfare here and anything having to do [TS]

  with cloud services google just so much [TS]

  better at an apple this is a perfect [TS]

  move doesn't matter i started the same [TS]

  as the perfect move to try to actually [TS]

  get people who were iphone users to look [TS]

  at the other side of the fence [TS]

  it's not even so much like a little by [TS]

  Samsung because they catch on fire by [TS]

  our phones it's like what about iOS [TS]

  people all those things that you have an [TS]

  iOS those are the things were great [TS]

  about of course they're not going to [TS]

  talk [TS]

  chemicals about the things that Apple is [TS]

  better at but like will give your cloud [TS]

  storage are the work hours will be [TS]

  faster than ours will be free and i [TS]

  honestly think that a apple should [TS]

  respond but be apple doesn't have a [TS]

  really good way to respond like again if [TS]

  they just did it and say we're paying [TS]

  for our Hardware Martin's that you know [TS]

  they would be good for consumers but [TS]

  that would be bad for apple pie came [TS]

  with those would be some top-earning [TS]

  calls would it but what do you think is [TS]

  worse for Apple losing a potential [TS]

  iphone customer to the google phone or [TS]

  paying for that customers photo stories [TS]

  like that they make way more money [TS]

  selling another iphone and they do [TS]

  selling a couple iCloud storage accounts [TS]

  for somebody for a couple years like if [TS]

  they offered unlimited storage for [TS]

  photos and videos just google does that [TS]

  would remove one of the google pixels [TS]

  largest selling points [TS]

  it was just totally evaporate I bet [TS]

  right now Apple probably thinks like I [TS]

  said at the beginning of the segment [TS]

  that you know Google's for pretty [TS]

  hardware has never gone anywhere really [TS]

  so it probably probably have to worry [TS]

  about it right but what if it does well [TS]

  I don't think they're gonna you know [TS]

  again it's a trailing indicator you have [TS]

  to wait to see [TS]

  Oh are we actually losing customers [TS]

  because of this thing or is it just the [TS]

  thing that makes you look elsewhere but [TS]

  they never actually switch because there [TS]

  are two trapped into the apple ecosystem [TS]

  or whatever if Apple was to offer this [TS]

  immediately rather than just say just [TS]

  lowering the prices which have done [TS]

  already a couple times already you know [TS]

  offer free for everything that would be [TS]

  seen as like like what why you react to [TS]

  this why are you reacting to a phone [TS]

  this that sells in such small volumes [TS]

  why do you even care about the phone do [TS]

  you really think it's going to pull the [TS]

  customers wait until it actually does [TS]

  start to pull away customers and then [TS]

  react to it rather than giving away a [TS]

  bunch of money right from the services [TS]

  division that is your your growth [TS]

  darling in the absence of anything else [TS]

  huh it we've talked about storage sizes [TS]

  for phones and storage sizes for cloud [TS]

  and how Apple is not historically been [TS]

  very competitive there and they've been [TS]

  adjusting their prices to try to be more [TS]

  competitive Google is doing the thing [TS]

  that google is able to do enough about [TS]

  how much your storage tiers cost enough [TS]

  about dropbox across this much and [TS]

  iCloud Drive cost as much and you have [TS]

  to pay for this and your photos don't [TS]

  count but then the bio cloud backup [TS]

  camera enough of that everything free [TS]

  for everybody like they're there is even [TS]

  beyond the back place where it's five [TS]

  dollars limited [TS]

  like everything unlimited free because [TS]

  and and I feel like Google the reason [TS]

  google is offering on these phones is [TS]

  because they are selling for iphone [TS]

  prices i think a lot of the storage is [TS]

  being subsidized by the fact that you [TS]

  bought some really expensive phone you [TS]

  know this is as far as I'm aware this [TS]

  deal is not being offered generically on [TS]

  the cheapest android phone you can find [TS]

  you have to buy the pixel right yeah it [TS]

  isn't it isn't any android phone and [TS]

  specifically the pixel phones right [TS]

  which is a super expensive phone so i [TS]

  think google is actually find funding [TS]

  this with a little bit of the margins [TS]

  from immigrant probably not a sizable [TS]

  deliver the artist was very expensive [TS]

  phone and as we've all learned painfully [TS]

  unlimited I mean it's unlimited as long [TS]

  as it's unlimited until it's not limited [TS]

  anymore usually by terms of the contract [TS]

  would say we can end this deal at any [TS]

  time or the company going out of [TS]

  business as a picture life or the one [TS]

  whose name I've already forgotten ever [TS]

  picks ever Betsy I wasn't very ever was [TS]

  it you know [TS]

  oh I don't think people really care [TS]

  about like you know always not really [TS]

  unlimited like get while the getting's [TS]

  good like it [TS]

  by all means that you know if anyone [TS]

  offers i'm not going to turn up my nose [TS]

  at it and say oh I don't want on your [TS]

  limited storage said no it's not limited [TS]

  forever who cares to put the limited for [TS]

  a year it's worthwhile looking for two [TS]

  years or three years just take it while [TS]

  you can get it don't be like I I refused [TS]

  to commit to this free product unless [TS]

  I'm guaranteed that it will outlast me [TS]

  and my descendants like whatever just ya [TS]

  know if nothing is forever just take the [TS]

  deal anyway I I'm not sure Apple will [TS]

  react to this [TS]

  I Apple needs to get better at doing [TS]

  cloud services they need to have their [TS]

  photo storage work better in theory [TS]

  iCloud photo library funny room should [TS]

  do all the things that Google's photos [TS]

  does but it doesn't and people are [TS]

  frustrated by so they need to get better [TS]

  at they need to be able to do it cheaper [TS]

  they need to adjust their pricing [TS]

  because whether google sells a lot of [TS]

  these phones are not they are you know [TS]

  they're they're moving the market [TS]

  they're saying this is this is the new [TS]

  bar if you can't meet this bar you'll [TS]

  forever be seen as more competitive than [TS]

  if i just bought a google pixel art more [TS]

  expensive and i just want to go to pixel [TS]

  so does Apple lower the prices do they [TS]

  go free [TS]

  history has shown that it will take a [TS]

  long time to be able to [TS]

  go free on its storage considering how [TS]

  long it's taken them to offer notion new [TS]

  storage tears into lower their prices [TS]

  they seem pretty stubborn about that can [TS]

  you blame us on Eddy you again [TS]

  sure one else do that time but uh yeah [TS]

  you either way this is this [TS]

  in theory this phone is hitting Apple [TS]

  where it hurts and hopefully someone [TS]

  apples paying attention [TS]

  yeah I also love that they mentioned [TS]

  during the keynote and it's on the site [TS]

  if you scroll down weighs about halfway [TS]

  down the page that they include a [TS]

  section that's a switch in three simple [TS]

  steps connect signing and transfer [TS]

  connect your old iPhone or Android [TS]

  device to connect your old iphone [TS]

  android device your new pixel with a [TS]

  quick switch adapter which apparently is [TS]

  USB be whatever the normal USB recept [TS]

  goal is to us bc which is what the phone [TS]

  uses sign into your Google account on [TS]

  your pixel or create a new one and then [TS]

  transfer choose what you want to move [TS]

  like contacts calendar events photos [TS]

  videos music SMS messages I msgs not [TS]

  really sure how that's working and more [TS]

  than sit back and let the pixel do the [TS]

  work and this little adapters in every [TS]

  single box so they're getting aggressive [TS]

  and I think that's good and I think with [TS]

  Stephen Hawking amongst others that said [TS]

  you know this is healthy for both [TS]

  companies when when Apple is doing well [TS]

  which hopefully they are i mean i guess [TS]

  it depends when he asked us and if [TS]

  Google's doing well then that's a good [TS]

  thing because this competition keeps [TS]

  makes both of our products better but [TS]

  I'm curious to see if this really sells [TS]

  in any volume i can tell you that of the [TS]

  four developers on the Android t5 [TS]

  developers on the Android team in my [TS]

  office two of them bought the phone [TS]

  while they were in the keynote or while [TS]

  we were watching the keynote which by [TS]

  the way was that like 1230-1 o'clock in [TS]

  the afternoon they set their and mashed [TS]

  on the refresh button for like a minute [TS]

  and a half i was super jealous and yes I [TS]

  think about this and yes most people [TS]

  were like oh yeah well you know they [TS]

  have five people buying these funds will [TS]

  I don't care it's still not in the [TS]

  middle of the night and so i'm very [TS]

  jealous of that [TS]

  but we'll see i'm anxious to see these [TS]

  devices when they come in for my coat of [TS]

  my co-workers so I can see what I think [TS]

  of them but I'm I'm cautiously [TS]

  optimistic like this isn't a phone for [TS]

  me but it could be if I if I wanted to [TS]

  jump to the other side of the fence [TS]

  ok one more thing on the pixel I didn't [TS]

  see the entire video presentation is all [TS]

  parts of it and one part that I was [TS]

  particularly interested in is the [TS]

  daydream vr thing that they're doing [TS]

  another one of these situations where [TS]

  you take your phone and you shove it [TS]

  into a headset and then half the phone [TS]

  screen shows where your left i supposed [TS]

  to see and have the phone screen shows [TS]

  with you're right i supposed to see you [TS]

  wear a pair of goggles that makes that [TS]

  all focus and work out reasonably well [TS]

  and you try to have a little miniature [TS]

  portable VR experience which is quite [TS]

  something considering you know no [TS]

  serious vr development involves max in [TS]

  any way and yet we're able to do it on [TS]

  these crappy phones that are not as [TS]

  powerful as Apple's obviously the VR [TS]

  experience compared to a pc is very [TS]

  different on the phone you're not going [TS]

  to have the same type of thing you have [TS]

  a HTC vive depending how you want to say [TS]

  that oculus rift or you know even that [TS]

  the ps4 vr but this is the thing they're [TS]

  doing and I think the most interesting [TS]

  part of this is their headset there are [TS]

  a lot of these headsets including like [TS]

  google cardboard thing which is the most [TS]

  permanent for this is another set of [TS]

  goggles that you strapped to your head [TS]

  that you shove your phone into and they [TS]

  spent a while trying to talk about the [TS]

  design of it like the external design [TS]

  they've made it out of fabric I don't [TS]

  think they mention this specifically [TS]

  they mostly just at all what do we wear [TS]

  on our bodies we were soft things and [TS]

  fabrics right so instead of making it [TS]

  out of shiny black plastic so your local [TS]

  nerdy you know how you gonna make the [TS]

  arts and I look nerdy made out of fabric [TS]

  because I'm good where and when I look [TS]

  at it I was thought of the sleep masks [TS]

  you know if you put like those was uh [TS]

  yeah things to help you sleep at night [TS]

  it's not made out of like velvety [TS]

  material but it's just a fabric it looks [TS]

  like a sleep mask but i think this is a [TS]

  smart thing to do and I think other vr [TS]

  goggle sender should take note [TS]

  you don't have to always look like a [TS]

  giant robot when you wear the thing it [TS]

  doesn't have to be all angles and [TS]

  hard shiny plastic doesn't look like one [TS]

  of those droid ads you know those [TS]

  original droid ads for everything is a [TS]

  transformer you are putting on your body [TS]

  and around your head and why not make it [TS]

  that something soft and comfortable it's [TS]

  not like for example headphones they're [TS]

  not made out of pointy angular plastic [TS]

  unless maybe they're made by sony so are [TS]

  right like that your copy that you have [TS]

  they have patty things on the ear so I [TS]

  get squishy things because they go on [TS]

  your head and you don't want to thats [TS]

  not squishy so these goggles grab the [TS]

  the outsider doesn't touch you but [TS]

  they're trying to they're trying to [TS]

  convey like these are squishy and [TS]

  comfortable and not like welding a [TS]

  laptop to your forehead right and I [TS]

  think that's a really good idea and this [TS]

  type of casual vr where it's like [TS]

  low-resolution low framerate probably [TS]

  not even that good right it's I think [TS]

  this is a a good place to get a foothold [TS]

  into the idea of like a few people try [TS]

  because hey everyone's got a phone and [TS]

  you know this guy was probably cost too [TS]

  much but you know people who are [TS]

  interested [TS]

  who wouldn't buy a full-fledged gaming [TS]

  pc and the whole setup in the whole gear [TS]

  will buy maybe this thing that you did [TS]

  you shove your phone into and try it out [TS]

  and have a pleasant experience start to [TS]

  associate google with VR whatever and I [TS]

  don't give this thing great hopes of [TS]

  doing anything especially since who's [TS]

  going to develop software for this thing [TS]

  it's very to market within a market in a [TS]

  market i don't know but as someone who [TS]

  still has yet to even try bri find it [TS]

  intriguing that google is plowing [TS]

  bravely forward with some interesting [TS]

  ideas who are as Google Apple is still [TS]

  sitting this one out and Tim Cook is [TS]

  talking about augmented reality rather [TS]

  than VR all the while leaving its own [TS]

  customers without either one of those [TS]

  things except that app that you hold up [TS]

  and translate science is really cool but [TS]

  anyway I i think these goggles are neat [TS]

  i have no idea how good they actually [TS]

  are but I'm encouraged by the steady [TS]

  advancement in the world of ER so if [TS]

  they're anything like google cardboard [TS]

  which it looks like they're very very [TS]

  similar actually you should not try them [TS]

  like a low-resolution motion sickness a [TS]

  yeah I i get i get to try one of those [TS]

  actually twice now and wow not not [TS]

  divided [TS]

  anyway I also [TS]

  you got to try a five and that was [TS]

  substantially better for promotional [TS]

  purposes it better be for like a [TS]

  tremendous extra cost that is yeah just [TS]

  need a gaming pc and this and a room and [TS]

  these things you can hold then walk [TS]

  around and yeah [TS]

  now let me divide the problem is that [TS]

  you stop wires everywhere I just wires [TS]

  as far as i can see that tripping over [TS]

  wires having the wires it its it's kind [TS]

  of unfortunate but I'm sure [TS]

  over time we will work these things out [TS]

  looking for these headphones even if you [TS]

  just use them to watch video with sound [TS]

  like whatever you know why wouldn't I [TS]

  just hold my phone in front of my face [TS]

  like the event this is generation 0 type [TS]

  products here you know it's gonna get [TS]

  better the resolution will get better [TS]

  that you know eventually a phone will [TS]

  have enough power to not be embarrassing [TS]

  invr I i have i'm not looking on this is [TS]

  like wow this is a game-changer looking [TS]

  on this as this could potentially be [TS]

  away many years down the line that's [TS]

  accepted accepted way to just veg out [TS]

  and watching video or play some casual [TS]

  games not like I'm in a full emergency [TS]

  our experience and I feel like I'm [TS]

  really there maybe that's going to be [TS]

  longer or still require gaming pc or [TS]

  whatever but don't know it's it just [TS]

  seems like I guess I understand why does [TS]

  apples you know why apple's doing [TS]

  they're not going to release a half-ass [TS]

  product like this and say well it's [TS]

  kinda need want to try guys tell us what [TS]

  you think right that's not going to [TS]

  happen but if apple doesn't figure out [TS]

  what his play is here soon it's going to [TS]

  pass them by it's kind of like Microsoft [TS]

  trying to figure out what it's play buzz [TS]

  in the world of mobile and then just [TS]

  everyone else went out ahead of them [TS]

  said wait up and they never did catch up [TS]

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  ah I don't have an amazon echo alexa [TS]

  whatever it's called thing front of the [TS]

  show I Mike just got one and he is [TS]

  pretty much in love with it [TS]

  Marco you guys have at least one last i [TS]

  heard its last I heard you guys really [TS]

  like it i grew up with a dad who was big [TS]

  into home automation in the late 90s [TS]

  which is to say control your lights from [TS]

  all over the place [TS]

  this was X 10 at the time which is a [TS]

  home automation protocol i actually put [TS]

  hand x10 receiver in my dorm room and [TS]

  had rope lights wired to it and i even [TS]

  had a movie set up [TS]

  no it gets better even at a movie mode [TS]

  set up so would like them the rope [TS]

  lights and turn on the TV and whatnot [TS]

  which would have been awesome for the [TS]

  girl that never ever came over this is [TS]

  worse than my carputer yeah it's pretty [TS]

  bad because that's what girls are [TS]

  impressed by automatically controlled [TS]

  lights there's like this is the man for [TS]

  me right [TS]

  and how could you go wrong it's perfect [TS]

  no but anyway I'm i like the idea of [TS]

  home automation although only barely dip [TS]

  my toes into it and and like i said i [TS]

  don't have any of these like automated [TS]

  assistant things outside of Siri when [TS]

  she decides to work properly so i am not [TS]

  that jazzed by google home i'm not that [TS]

  jazzed by Alexa [TS]

  I'm not that jazz by these rumors about [TS]

  Apple's home automation hub i suspect [TS]

  that most of that is my own ignorance [TS]

  and once I see like a really nice setup [TS]

  or or once i see one of these things in [TS]

  use the light bulb will go off and also [TS]

  by God I need this in my life but do I [TS]

  guess [TS]

  do either of you care about these home [TS]

  automation hub rumors like is this [TS]

  interesting to you what are you looking [TS]

  for from this what do you think I care [TS]

  about the actual announcement and other [TS]

  you're reading the next item and then [TS]

  things about this home automation help [TS]

  remove from apple but google is [TS]

  following through on its original [TS]

  announcement of this whatever google [TS]

  home little weeble thing that will tell [TS]

  you which makes it a squat little [TS]

  counterpart to the tube shaped thing [TS]

  that keeps calling to the whales and [TS]

  star trek for that Amazon makes and the [TS]

  reason i didn't buy a card and a lot of [TS]

  people with that go i've tried them like [TS]

  I understand the value proposition there [TS]

  but never quite wanted to get one mostly [TS]

  because I figured my own you know that's [TS]

  fine and all but amazon is not really [TS]

  that good at this type of stuff i mean [TS]

  they're not bad but it's not really [TS]

  their strength so let me wait until see [TS]

  what Apple Google have and the the knock [TS]

  against amazon is like oh you can get [TS]

  all these skills and a good interview [TS]

  with third parties but it's so specific [TS]

  and it's so primitive and it's like you [TS]

  gotta know what you can have a do and [TS]

  you've got to know the specific skills [TS]

  and it's very fixed whereas apples [TS]

  always telling Syria or intelligent [TS]

  machine learning will figure out what [TS]

  you mean or whatever but of course we [TS]

  know when you actually use Siri it's [TS]

  embarrassingly bad a lot of the time [TS]

  Google when I think of the company that [TS]

  I can just sort of throw words that [TS]

  written or otherwise and have to do what [TS]

  I mean is the best at that very often i [TS]

  am I want to do something and you can [TS]

  try it in Syria and you could try asking [TS]

  amazon echo about it and you can try [TS]

  whatever things you have to think of to [TS]

  find something but very often the answer [TS]

  is right your actual question into a [TS]

  text box on like don't [TS]

  overthink it don't try to write in a [TS]

  query language just do the simplest [TS]

  thing one of my favorite activities like [TS]

  in chat rooms and stuff like that where [TS]

  someone will ask sometimes even [TS]

  you know fairly technical person how do [TS]

  you do the above all i can ask some very [TS]

  complicated involved question and then [TS]

  i'll say i tried googling but I couldn't [TS]

  find anything then what you do is you [TS]

  take the original question that they [TS]

  typed you in the message you copy it you [TS]

  paste into the google search box and the [TS]

  number-one hit is the thing that we're [TS]

  looking for because what they were doing [TS]

  is thinking like a programmer and going [TS]

  like you know whatever it is like no [TS]

  other files sing not working like just [TS]

  their they're just typing there they [TS]

  were using a query engine whereas the [TS]

  the sentence they just sent you get the [TS]

  number one hit because that's what [TS]

  people put into google so when I think [TS]

  about is there some cylinder my house [TS]

  that I can talk into the air and have a [TS]

  cylinder do what I want [TS]

  I didn't think the highest chance of it [TS]

  understanding what i mean and doing [TS]

  something useful is for that cylinder to [TS]

  be made by and connected to everything [TS]

  having to do with google so when they [TS]

  announced the whole thing I'm like [TS]

  that's the first thing i think i might [TS]

  buy to try because i'm assuming it will [TS]

  be better than the Amazon echo better at [TS]

  like you know understanding what I mean [TS]

  doing useful things maybe not better [TS]

  audio wise or whatever maybe not maybe I [TS]

  was like oh we better ordering paper [TS]

  towels then the google thing is but [TS]

  maybe the google thing with better about [TS]

  answering complicated question some or [TS]

  maybe the google thing we better about [TS]

  projecting things on my TV if i buy a [TS]

  little dinky chromecast and shoved into [TS]

  one of my side hdmi ports that I'm not [TS]

  currently using right versus the Amazon [TS]

  trying to integrate with their fire [TS]

  pocket all that other stuff anyway [TS]

  an apple just continue to be a [TS]

  non-combatant in this entire market [TS]

  despite the rumors so i am very [TS]

  interested in this home device [TS]

  the only caveat for most people that I [TS]

  don't really mind that much as yes of [TS]

  course everything that I say will be [TS]

  uploaded to Google and all my [TS]

  information belong to but I already have [TS]

  all my mail google like I'm willing to [TS]

  give Google's information in exchange [TS]

  for extra convenience in my life I'm [TS]

  willing to give this a try [TS]

  so I think I might actually get one of [TS]

  these I'm very curious to hear what you [TS]

  think of it when that comes in i don't [TS]

  know i'm not sure what I would pick [TS]

  between amazon and theoretically Apple [TS]

  and Google but I mean my mail is google [TS]

  apps my photos are in google my music [TS]

  and Spotify [TS]

  which cool i'm sure will not jive well [TS]

  with with apple stuff job well whatever [TS]

  the word is I'm looking for [TS]

  I don't say Marco what's your intention [TS]

  just going all-in on amazon [TS]

  well I'm not really committed for you [TS]

  know we have the echo in the in the [TS]

  kitchen it's good a lot of things a lot [TS]

  of time we i will ask it a question that [TS]

  I don't think it'll answer just to see [TS]

  like you know can't do this can I find [TS]

  this information and a lot of times it [TS]

  does and if I ask Siri the same question [TS]

  i get i can search the web for you know [TS]

  so hey I got a useless answer from Cirie [TS]

  for many of the same questions but a lot [TS]

  of people said the opposite you know [TS]

  this is a lot of people have the [TS]

  opposite reaction where like the things [TS]

  they ask serious work out well and the [TS]

  things they ask the Amazon assistant [TS]

  don't it's not really consistent between [TS]

  one or the other whether you can see [TS]

  like this one is universally the best [TS]

  one this one is universally not I really [TS]

  depends on how are using it what using [TS]

  it for how to integrate the various [TS]

  things I will say though that this is [TS]

  the kind of problem that I don't expect [TS]

  apples product to be very good at to [TS]

  make a product that's really good you [TS]

  need incredibly strong AI skills you [TS]

  huge data set to be developing that from [TS]

  you need constant updates constant like [TS]

  add ons and new abilities and [TS]

  refinements to that data set so you [TS]

  basically like a really massive solid AI [TS]

  webservice behind it [TS]

  Apple's not good at those things apple [TS]

  can do be web services they can do minor [TS]

  I things but they say so far are still [TS]

  not good at large scale advanced AI [TS]

  service kind of things and then [TS]

  secondarily you need the ability to [TS]

  really be able to connect to lots of [TS]

  different things [TS]

  this is where the echo does really well [TS]

  they have tons of integrations with all [TS]

  sorts of services hardware developers [TS]

  stuff through there a PRI tons of [TS]

  integrations for Apple to do that they [TS]

  would basically have to relax the [TS]

  requirements for home kit and they would [TS]

  have to really be a lot more open and [TS]

  permissive with developers and they are [TS]

  now and do things like open up the [TS]

  series API much further than it is right [TS]

  now and I just don't see them doing that [TS]

  so they could prove me wrong who knows [TS]

  but if i look at what these companies [TS]

  are good at now and the way they seem to [TS]

  be going [TS]

  i'm guessing apple's version of this if [TS]

  it exists whenever it whenever it would [TS]

  ship i'm guessing it's not going to be [TS]

  as good as the other two I think [TS]

  amazon is gonna own this market for the [TS]

  for the market share wise but i think [TS]

  the google was probably going to end up [TS]

  being the best one [TS]

  we're going with anyone could be [TS]

  cancelled like them they have a previous [TS]

  one called like on hub or something that [TS]

  I had sphere shape entertainment thing [TS]

  that never went anywhere [TS]

  google has tried many in home products [TS]

  that have not gone anywhere maybe it'll [TS]

  be a flop to but what they have going [TS]

  for them like you said as they they have [TS]

  the backend like when one Apple does [TS]

  stuff with Siri they just if they don't [TS]

  know exactly what to do their passing it [TS]

  on to another service but they're be [TS]

  wolframalpha are being or Google like [TS]

  they're that's not them they're like [TS]

  well we can't make heads or tails of [TS]

  this so we're going to send it to a [TS]

  different company that's good at this [TS]

  stuff [TS]

  maybe they can figure out what to do [TS]

  with it which is not really a strong [TS]

  move the other factor about all these [TS]

  cylinders in your home that you talked [TS]

  to that apparently from everyone who [TS]

  have ever spoken doing my own personal [TS]

  experience got right and then i can [TS]

  imagine both Apple and cool [TS]

  perhaps forgetting about is the echo is [TS]

  surprisingly good at hearing you and [TS]

  understanding what the hell you said yet [TS]

  now after that maybe they can't do [TS]

  anything with your words maybe they're [TS]

  bad you know they don't have a good you [TS]

  know you have to phrase things in a [TS]

  certain way i would forget about that [TS]

  that but they're good at hearing you and [TS]

  getting your words and that is so [TS]

  important how often have we tried to [TS]

  speak into our phones an inch from our [TS]

  face and how to get a word wrong whereas [TS]

  amazon echo again because probably feels [TS]

  constrained vocabulary like those phone [TS]

  trees that you do but also because they [TS]

  have tons of microphones and good like [TS]

  noise cancellation and being formed over [TS]

  the hell they're doing [TS]

  I think a lot of the time for that [TS]

  stupid cylinder was spent figuring out [TS]

  how to hear people separate their voice [TS]

  from the background noise and understand [TS]

  what they said and that is incredibly [TS]

  important it's like it's like [TS]

  responsiveness on the original iphones [TS]

  like oh yeah and you could have things [TS]

  and move around it's fine it's like yeah [TS]

  but you don't understand the difference [TS]

  between you can tap things and slide [TS]

  around its fine and it really feels like [TS]

  it's sticking to my finger you may think [TS]

  you've checked the same check boxes yet [TS]

  we have a touchscreen yep you move [TS]

  things around by scrolling your finger [TS]

  yep you tap buttons [TS]

  it's not checkboxes it's like yes you [TS]

  both do the same thing but this aspect [TS]

  of the product is so [TS]

  important that you really have to get it [TS]

  right and amazon has gotten pretty right [TS]

  like who hasn't been in a house with an [TS]

  echo and said something in a way that [TS]

  you think that human wouldn't have been [TS]

  able to understand you you mumble it [TS]

  from a room away facing the wrong [TS]

  direction and the echo still tells you [TS]

  like what the score of the game is what [TS]

  the weather is kind of being like how [TS]

  the hell did hear that yeah that's what [TS]

  you have to do with these things so i [TS]

  hope the cylinder that you know the [TS]

  google home thing does it as well on if [TS]

  Apple ever comes up with the product i [TS]

  hope they spend tons of time figuring [TS]

  out how to hack the everybody and don't [TS]

  be like well Johnny I've said we don't [TS]

  have a lot of room for the microphone so [TS]

  we're gonna have these two here this is [TS]

  what I'm saying like it is if Apple [TS]

  really devoted like if they really set [TS]

  their minds to it they really prioritize [TS]

  these services and these these product [TS]

  priorities things they could probably [TS]

  make a pretty good one but I i see this [TS]

  being like an accessory really is i [TS]

  don't see it [TS]

  I don't see Apple taking this very [TS]

  seriously as a product category so [TS]

  what's probably going to end up being is [TS]

  a relatively low priority relatively low [TS]

  effort product if it exists and because [TS]

  of that it's going to be like it's gonna [TS]

  have no meaningful service changes [TS]

  behind it too seriously its series not [TS]

  going to become an order of magnitude [TS]

  better because of this product you know [TS]

  it's if they're gonna do that they're [TS]

  going to do it for the phone's not for [TS]

  this and they've had lots of reasons to [TS]

  that recently and they kind of haven't [TS]

  really done enough and this is probably [TS]

  a product that's that's updated maybe [TS]

  every three years we know hardware-wise [TS]

  you two or three years like the maximum [TS]

  like basically on like an apple TV kind [TS]

  of schedule where Amazon Google we [TS]

  operate in there like every year or even [TS]

  more often amazon is relentless every [TS]

  every 15 minutes [TS]

  yeah getting an apple TV that's a great [TS]

  example of a home device that people [TS]

  talk to granted they talked to the the [TS]

  remote and not the device and the rumors [TS]

  are that originally were supposed to [TS]

  talk to the apple TV but the remote came [TS]

  with better sound which kind of makes [TS]

  sense you've got other motor anyway the [TS]

  experience of speaking to your apple TV [TS]

  this is exactly what i was saying like [TS]

  the phone trees there's a fairly [TS]

  constrained vocabulary mostly you could [TS]

  you know you're mostly you're talking [TS]

  about video that you want to watch I [TS]

  mean the it's a little bit broader than [TS]

  that but they want to constrain that [TS]

  they could say look we don't have to [TS]

  understand everything in the world we [TS]

  have a limited problem domain [TS]

  let's use our machine learning and the [TS]

  idea that we think they're gonna watch [TS]

  video integrated it's still hard problem [TS]

  right and try to figure out what they [TS]

  mean and if you ever spoken to the motor [TS]

  of an apple TV and tried to say [TS]

  something reasonable to it you realize [TS]

  how badly the appletv falls down on [TS]

  basic functionality you know like trying [TS]

  to get it to you know start you know [TS]

  watch episode five season 2 of some show [TS]

  or show me whatever and it's like I'm [TS]

  sorry I don't know any shows named [TS]

  orange is the new black and like on the [TS]

  screen behind his orange is the new [TS]

  black [TS]

  you know like we've all seen these [TS]

  series things like on the phone where [TS]

  it's a great mixer for great screenshots [TS]

  or it's like try you know i'm sorry i [TS]

  can't launch the app store tried looking [TS]

  for it in the app store like you've all [TS]

  seen that serious weird stuff like that [TS]

  on the phone and it's funny because you [TS]

  can see it on the appletv when it works [TS]

  you feel like this is amazing it's a [TS]

  little friend that I can talk to shows [TS]

  with the video i want when it doesn't [TS]

  work it's like what was wrong with that [TS]

  like it was this message you see the [TS]

  text being translated like it is [TS]

  understanding every word I'm saying and [TS]

  there isn't really any ambiguity but [TS]

  sometimes it's like Fight I can't do [TS]

  that for years it's something else I can [TS]

  help you with like no just do the thing [TS]

  ya it's inconsistent and credit yes [TS]

  that's incredibly frustrating you don't [TS]

  know why it didn't do it did it fail on [TS]

  a server connection or is it just [TS]

  confused about something or as a lost [TS]

  contacts and it's not really that [TS]

  responsive whereas again amazon echo [TS]

  completely faceless know you why it [TS]

  didn't work is nothing you can do to fix [TS]

  it and yet when you say things to it it [TS]

  in pretty short order does the thing [TS]

  that you said in a way that makes you [TS]

  think that's pretty neat and miraculous [TS]

  and yet it falls down sometimes too but [TS]

  that's why people are impressed by the [TS]

  cylinder because they you know basically [TS]

  I was a call be funny gimmick but it'll [TS]

  be like cereal works at the time and [TS]

  i'll never use it but because it is [TS]

  responsive and hears you and generally [TS]

  does what you ask a timely fashion [TS]

  people start to trusted and appreciate [TS]

  the fact that does work in Syria has not [TS]

  yet passed that bar I don't think Siri [TS]

  or whatever branding ever want to put [TS]

  into a thing that you can talk to any of [TS]

  its product has endeared itself to any [TS]

  way to degree where they're like ah I'm [TS]

  much more interested in buying this [TS]

  product because it comes to Syria and I [TS]

  love Siri I just haven't seen that yet [TS]

  we're at whereas the stupid black [TS]

  plastic [TS]

  down there is done that for amazon and [TS]

  the thing is like if you see like [TS]

  overtime [TS]

  what's changing in this market over time [TS]

  however has been getting better how's [TS]

  everything going to develop apple has [TS]

  had a very long time to make Siri [TS]

  reliable and better and they have [TS]

  improved over time but just not enough [TS]

  it is still very inconsistent and you [TS]

  can you can ask you the same question [TS]

  two days in a row and you'll get [TS]

  different answers or 1 will fail and the [TS]

  next table succeed or like it it is so [TS]

  inconsistent it's very frustrating when [TS]

  that happens to you with the echo I you [TS]

  know I don't use it like constantly all [TS]

  day every day but I use it I I tell it's [TS]

  something every day usually it's [TS]

  controlling lights around the house [TS]

  every night when I go to bed I tell to [TS]

  turn off everything like it's it's [TS]

  usually stuff like that occasionally [TS]

  music wear timers to use of travel time [TS]

  I think we've had it for something like [TS]

  4-5 months now i think that entire time [TS]

  we've had one time where it returned [TS]

  some kind of like server error response [TS]

  basically i can't i can't figure that [TS]

  out right now or something like that one [TS]

  time that happened in months of using it [TS]

  with Syria that happens like every [TS]

  fourth or fifth time for if you use it [TS]

  if you like i do like so it where where [TS]

  these things are going it yeah i can see [TS]

  the market playing out in the most [TS]

  likely way already in my head you know [TS]

  Apple if they enter it they're going to [TS]

  enter it with you again some kind of [TS]

  like but too infrequently updated [TS]

  probably too expensive and maybe to [TS]

  Johnny I be designing a product that [TS]

  won't be very competitive in the [TS]

  marketplace for things like capabilities [TS]

  price integrations and they'll have it [TS]

  backed by series service which it won't [TS]

  be consistent enough it won't be solid [TS]

  enough it won't be smart enough then you [TS]

  have google making there's selling [TS]

  google hardware they always sell it [TS]

  which is it's going to have probably the [TS]

  most amazing AI behind the most amazing [TS]

  service behind it but there gonna have [TS]

  major problems getting it in you know [TS]

  getting solar retail basically getting [TS]

  it really into people's hands there [TS]

  gonna have major problems promote [TS]

  promoting and selling and supporting it [TS]

  amazon is going to be relentless about [TS]

  pushing the crap out of the echo line of [TS]

  products on their front page all the [TS]

  holiday seasons saw them relentlessly [TS]

  not selling apples thing not selling [TS]

  Google's thing like they're going to be [TS]

  relentless [TS]

  and they are a massive retailer and they [TS]

  have a huge head start with developers [TS]

  with users with the public so i really [TS]

  think that the the Amazons really gonna [TS]

  own this space and Google's get google i [TS]

  think is going to have what many geeks [TS]

  will consider the best product but it [TS]

  won't be the most successful I think the [TS]

  most was gonna be amazon by a longshot [TS]

  with this and apple if they enter this [TS]

  market at all [TS]

  they will enter with something that I i [TS]

  don't see being very competitive it [TS]

  really you know I i think people will [TS]

  buy it some people by certainly but i [TS]

  don't see it being nearly as good as the [TS]

  other 2 i'm still waiting for the next [TS]

  minor advancement in what people keep [TS]

  calling machine learning which I don't [TS]

  like the sound of but I like it better [TS]

  than AI which is ridiculous for the [TS]

  level of things that are going on here [TS]

  but just you know just these things are [TS]

  slightly context-aware but more of that [TS]

  like very often will be driving the car [TS]

  and I'll hear my funding with a text [TS]

  message and you can't read the text [TS]

  message in the car but i would like the [TS]

  phone to read me what the text messages [TS]

  and there's probably some way to do that [TS]

  on the phone [TS]

  there is but i don't know the way and i [TS]

  know enough about Cirie to know that if [TS]

  I don't know the way it will just be an [TS]

  exercise in frustration for me to try to [TS]

  guess what i like to say is can you read [TS]

  me that text message just came in but i [TS]

  know that one that's closed it's closed [TS]

  it's it's a high telephone read my [TS]

  messages right but I don't know that and [TS]

  so like I'm just like if I just started [TS]

  this conversation with the phone it's [TS]

  going to try to do a google search on [TS]

  having something to do with messages or [TS]

  get confused this is based on my [TS]

  frustration with the one thing I try to [TS]

  use my you know [TS]

  serie works for simple things but then [TS]

  what I my stumbling block was I kept [TS]

  trying to use it to add items to list [TS]

  and reminders and just frickin [TS]

  impossible because confused about which [TS]

  lists and trying to add to or whether [TS]

  wants to create a list by that name it's [TS]

  like all got you don't understand me you [TS]

  do not understand me like just a human [TS]

  would get this and it's not that [TS]

  complicated to limited domain I'm [TS]

  telling you about reminders in the list [TS]

  items and don't ask me to create a list [TS]

  i wanted to say no no no no you [TS]

  misunderstand me the first time but [TS]

  forget i'm not trying to create a list [TS]

  take that thing in and put a reminder [TS]

  for it because anyway it's very [TS]

  frustrating and it makes me not want to [TS]

  use it for things that it can probably [TS]

  already do because i know that if i [TS]

  don't know how to do it [TS]

  there's no way i can have a conversation [TS]

  with it and get it done [TS]

  aquarius i think google is at the point [TS]

  now where as violet you know invest case [TS]

  with this google home thing I could ask [TS]

  you to do something i'm hoping and have [TS]

  it not understand what i mean but how is [TS]

  work out through a back-and-forth [TS]

  eventually come to an understanding [TS]

  about what I want to happen where and [TS]

  that's like the next smaller step again [TS]

  limited vocabulary simpler things that [TS]

  you can do but just limited context [TS]

  awareness to understand that we're [TS]

  trying to accomplish a goal here and to [TS]

  come closer to making it happen without [TS]

  requiring the user to know things and [TS]

  that's just one more tiny baby step in [TS]

  making something that I can do with my [TS]

  fingers happen across the room with my [TS]

  voice and we're not asking you to be my [TS]

  pal or to be intelligent or any way or [TS]

  to really do anything useful other than [TS]

  let me do something i could do with a [TS]

  remote without a remote control but even [TS]

  that step [TS]

  no one has really gotten they're not [TS]

  Amazon Google and Apple and I have hopes [TS]

  the google will be the first one to do [TS]

  it [TS]

  thanks for the responses this week [TS]

  backblaze casper and betterment we'll [TS]

  see you next week [TS]

  now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

  mean to be in because it was accidental [TS]

  death was accidental [TS]

  John research Marco and Casey would like [TS]

  because it was accidentally was [TS]

  accidental [TS]

  you can find the show know the day EP [TS]

  that and it for twitter follow them is a [TS]

  yl ISS that's Casey list and a co-pay [TS]

  rm20 Marco Arment and our AC Syracuse is [TS]

  at work I have to think they're 1080 [TS]

  monitors their lenovo monitors are [TS]

  really super shitty I have been begging [TS]

  for at least one 4k monitor finally I [TS]

  have won the fight the head of IT has [TS]

  said all right we will get you the dell [TS]

  24 something something something 4k [TS]

  monitor i forget the exact model name [TS]

  but basically this is the monitor that [TS]

  all the mac users had all the mac [TS]

  notebook users have said this is the one [TS]

  to get if you want 4k and the equivalent [TS]

  dell is the one you want to get if you [TS]

  want 5k the 5k ones $1,500 the 4k was [TS]

  like four hundred dollars so we get it [TS]

  in [TS]

  speaking of amazon and things we get in [TS]

  today I take down my to Lenovo's to put [TS]

  this at my desk I'm happy as a pig in [TS]

  shit i turn it on and it turns on and [TS]

  turned right back off [TS]

  hmm so i unplug it plug it back in turn [TS]

  it on turns out turns right back off [TS]

  it was DOA sadness so much sadness so [TS]

  that is also getting return to amazon [TS]

  although not by me because i didn't pay [TS]

  for it but but we do have an LG g5 a 4k [TS]

  monitor that's 27 inches that I think [TS]

  it's too big for the DPI that it is but [TS]

  it's still super nice and by the way did [TS]

  you guys know that you can only get a 30 [TS]

  hurt refresh rate on an hdmi cable off [TS]

  him a couple of laptop off at any [TS]

  resolution or just the 4k resolution at [TS]

  4k 4k and so how'd you get the higher [TS]

  ones is it just like through-and-through [TS]

  Thunderbolt /j displayport mne [TS]

  displayport displayport ok don't connect [TS]

  connect monitors to computer with hdmi [TS]

  that's the wrong tool for the job [TS]

  yeah just feels wrong so why did the [TS]

  world know why I'm not mad about this [TS]

  but out of curiosity why do you say that [TS]

  that's the TMS for TV standard it's not [TS]

  monitor think that the connector is big [TS]

  its made-for-television resolutions [TS]

  where's computers you always want to [TS]

  have a higher resolution that if you [TS]

  possibly can [TS]

  it's just not the right tool and you [TS]

  know and refresh rates just got here [TS]

  like television it does not come in at [TS]

  220 yards or even 60 from the most cases [TS]

  so yeah not if you have an option [TS]

  don't use it but i have the only thing I [TS]

  have a connect hdmi is my gaming monitor [TS]

  that's what the the PlayStation puts out [TS]

  and saw my mother takes that in because [TS]

  it's kind of like a little miniature TV [TS]

  and playing with it that's fair right [TS]

  side no idea that was the thing until [TS]

  today when we reconnected this LG which [TS]

  is a very nice bond Drive really really [TS]

  like it again I think it's a few inches [TS]

  too big but I i like it all in all and [TS]

  actually we're ordering a like 22 or 24 [TS]

  inch 4k equivalent LG monitor to replace [TS]

  the DOA del-one you know for love only [TS]

  apple had an external monitor and if [TS]

  only that would be amazing but now so [TS]

  anyway so I see idea i had no idea that [TS]

  you couldn't get 60 Hertz off hdmi [TS]

  coming off a mac laptop with the new [TS]

  hdmi standards you can again your timing [TS]

  here is terrible it is very likely i [TS]

  mean you know obviously don't don't [TS]

  believe it til we see it but i would say [TS]

  it is it is at least moderately likely [TS]

  that we're gonna have new laptops with [TS]

  the new monitor but in the month that [TS]

  being said you probably can't drive it [TS]

  with your current laptop [TS]

  well yeah you can if it has you can have [TS]

  a graphics card on the inside yeah but I [TS]

  mean we'll get that will get that right [TS]

  at that must be hard i'm alright are you [TS]

  really expecting a monitor like I'm not [TS]

  gonna have that my dentist hopes i'm [TS]

  likejust feelings to forget laptops [TS]

  please like that's it i would guess that [TS]

  the 5k monitor comes with the new [TS]

  laptops i don't think they're gonna wait [TS]

  for the mac pro if there really is a [TS]

  five-game monitor without the mac [TS]

  products like I guess you can hook it up [TS]

  to your laptop getting Apple gives a [TS]

  shit what the mac pro anymore i think [TS]

  it's very clearly don't right i mean [TS]

  come on so it's just so absurd so absurd [TS]

  i am not particularly convinced that we [TS]

  will get a an external monitor this [TS]

  month [TS]

  however if we do get it i absolutely [TS]

  agree with Marco that it will come with [TS]

  the laptops in the mac pro will be a [TS]

  fart in the wind [TS]

  I know I'm just saying is it is so it's [TS]

  so weird I mean I guess they're selling [TS]

  the GPU and it's like Oh your wimpy [TS]

  laptop can't drive this mighty monitor [TS]

  but it's got a GPU in it so here's your [TS]

  solution i mean it's it's a little bit [TS]

  of a hack but I don't think it's weird [TS]

  to target the laptop as the primary [TS]

  consumer for this monitor because nobody [TS]

  buys mac pros and when those that really [TS]

  it's weird to have such a man [TS]

  it monitors a higher listen to your [TS]

  laptop like I don't know I don't know [TS]

  why you say that because most people in [TS]

  like I haven't used a desktop computer [TS]

  work since 2008 dish 7-inch something [TS]

  like that right but do you need a 5k [TS]

  monitor right is it's so like a 4k yeah [TS]

  by all means like that's kind of the [TS]

  standard fancy monitor for your friends [TS]

  laptop and and the big thing in my [TS]

  office anyways multiple monitors [TS]

  multiple smaller monitors right but just [TS]

  one big massive one especially since [TS]

  this this monitor is probably cost more [TS]

  than any other laptops the base price [TS]

  hanging overhead is the most expensive [TS]

  thing in your desk is not the computer [TS]

  but the display it just seems like a [TS]

  display made for the highest of the high [TS]

  end the most expensive the biggest [TS]

  single screen intelligence to slightly [TS]

  smaller screens and that all says mac [TS]

  pro to me but I'm old what I think that [TS]

  what you're not realizing is that like [TS]

  my entire company nobody has a desktop [TS]

  everyone has laptops either Lenovo's [TS]

  know everyone's lap tops of my work too [TS]

  I'm the only does not accept you company [TS]

  yeah i think it was great my work was a [TS]

  asking me about on another some some of [TS]

  their terrible spyware of stuff was not [TS]

  correctly reporting back or whatever [TS]

  like to we have records that there's a [TS]

  mac mini with this serial number [TS]

  do you happen to have that like em don't [TS]

  have a mac mini bottle check the serial [TS]

  number and it was a serial number of my [TS]

  gigantic cheese grater but so apparently [TS]

  someone has a catalog this and to put [TS]

  the little stickers on a reverend wrote [TS]

  down my serial number and decided this [TS]

  thing size of refrigerators a mac mini [TS]

  nice they do that's what I didn't know [TS]

  what it is don't even know what this is [TS]

  no its a Mac is going to join Apple logo [TS]

  on the side of it but they have no idea [TS]

  what the hell does everything else [TS]

  laptops so the reason that this became [TS]

  relevant and the reason I was able to [TS]

  sell this to the IT department was [TS]

  because on these 1080 monitors if I if I [TS]

  try to use the iPhone simulator [TS]

  full-size because it's all pixel [TS]

  Dumbledore whatever the term is no its [TS]

  retina it i can see like half of it on [TS]

  screen actually sent the IT guy a [TS]

  screenshot admittedly was a plus like a [TS]

  success plus simulator and I could see [TS]

  like the dock on my 1080 monitor that [TS]

  was about it [TS]

  gonna run a non native res like the life [TS]

  on success users so I mean that's what I [TS]

  used to do or well still do right now is [TS]

  I would run it at like half size or [TS]

  whatever but then what ended up [TS]

  happening was I especially when doing [TS]

  you I work it was a total pain in the [TS]

  butt because I would like drop the the [TS]

  single pixel border between tableview [TS]

  cells or things along those lines and so [TS]

  I'm not even seeing like a terribly [TS]

  accurate representation of the screen [TS]

  and so that's why i said hey listen I'd [TS]

  really like to get a retina external [TS]

  monitor and eventually my complaining [TS]

  and moaning finally got hurt / he didn't [TS]

  want to hear it anymore and so that's [TS]

  what they ordered this dell and [TS]

  unfortunately the thing was DOA but yeah [TS]

  I mean I I'm I i would love to have like [TS]

  a couple of 22 24 inch 4k monitors and [TS]

  that's what i have now is is a couple of [TS]

  1080 monitors but that's not enough [TS]

  resolution these days you have multi [TS]

  monitor problems at your office is there [TS]

  like one person in the office who has [TS]

  like six monitors [TS]

  no but one of the reasons that i had to [TS]

  complain and moan a lot to get this [TS]

  monitor was because the IT dude knew [TS]

  full well that once i get this new [TS]

  hotness people will start smelling blood [TS]

  in the water and everyone will start [TS]

  saying well I want that and you know [TS]

  from his perspective it makes perfect [TS]

  sense that he needs to be able to [TS]

  justify this added expenditure over the [TS]

  cost of a 1080p monitor and so now he's [TS]

  going to have these people coming out of [TS]

  the woodwork saying oh me too me too me [TS]

  too and in reality the only people that [TS]

  really makes sense for is designers / [TS]

  possibly most likely and iOS developers [TS]

  and I was actually talking to one of our [TS]

  Android developers and about all this [TS]

  and he was like yeah I have no need for [TS]

  that whatsoever [TS]

  I'd like it but i have no need for it [TS]

  crappy 17-inch non-retina dell monitors [TS]

  kind of litter our hallways you stepping [TS]

  on like leaves in the fall just walking [TS]

  around the office it's not some people [TS]

  who like it's kind of like people who [TS]

  had you know materials were scarce [TS]

  during the Depression so they become [TS]

  older and they just always save their [TS]

  cans or whatever right [TS]

  these people must have lived through a [TS]

  monitor drought and so now they're 20 [TS]

  and they just they just scooped up [TS]

  really all the crappy 17 [TS]

  angel monitors and put them all on their [TS]

  desk so I think the biggest one I've [TS]

  seen as someone who has an arrangement [TS]

  6i think it's 3 over 3 i'm doing but [TS]

  really you know anyway I crazy monitor [TS]

  arms with sit there and these are the [TS]

  six of the worst monitors you've ever [TS]

  seen right things are not good monitor [TS]

  is not a good viewing angle but there [TS]

  are six of them i think someone might [TS]

  have broken the record before and had [TS]

  them into more has arranged but the six [TS]

  of the most impressive because I kind of [TS]

  curves around and this that the thing [TS]

  that holds the six monitors and credit [TS]

  is incredibly impressive looking i [TS]

  really i think it is three high that's [TS]

  why it looks like this taller but who [TS]

  would like that's for a computer that [TS]

  you see in the movies who would actually [TS]

  want to look at 67 inch dell monitors [TS]

  craning your neck around and try like [TS]

  especially since all these people use [TS]

  light text on a dark background in the [TS]

  terminal windows with with a non IPS [TS]

  display with those viewing angles you [TS]

  can't read anything on those and you [TS]

  know like just like get a stool and you [TS]

  know get head onto the upper left corner [TS]

  monitor to see any beyond anyway those [TS]

  be like are punishing themselves like [TS]

  it's reverse kinda like monitors [TS]

  monitors everywhere I have so many [TS]

  monitors i have to multiply three [TS]

  monitors on a power user i have four [TS]

  monitors why you know it's just it's [TS]

  it's an art crazy arms race doesn't make [TS]

  any sense to me [TS]

  alright here i am sitting with my single [TS]

  very small non-retina monitor but i [TS]

  still think it looks better than the [TS]

  other things they just need a JP set up [TS]

  and we'll be good to go [TS]

  that's a reference oh and speaking of [TS]

  work hardware I've now broken my second [TS]

  keyboard never keeping track this is a [TS]

  2009 macro i use the keyboard they came [TS]

  within which I like it's the current [TS]

  keyboard that I use at home as well as [TS]

  the apple into extended keyboard i like [TS]

  it because it has low key press effort [TS]

  required is good for my RSI I don't like [TS]

  the half-size function keys but it has [TS]

  real arrow keys anyway I i like this [TS]

  keyboard I broke one of them three or [TS]

  four years into it got a new replacement [TS]

  today deaky stopped working which is a [TS]

  surprisingly commonly used key so for [TS]

  half the day today I was copying and [TS]

  pasting a d2l sir I'm right I'm writing [TS]

  variable names and I'm getting good like [TS]

  ready like product PR 0 [TS]

  command V UCT uh I spent one day in [TS]

  order in the keyboard [TS]