The Accidental Tech Podcast

192: Hello Again Again


  when do I lon remember that all you did [TS]

  you a lot fewer you're like messed up [TS]

  what you were saying it started over and [TS]

  then it's it was adorable market will [TS]

  find it [TS]

  ok i'm not mad about it I just don't [TS]

  recall having done it [TS]

  remember it ok let's sell and lock it up [TS]

  a little for the second consecutive week [TS]

  i think i'm the only one follow-up which [TS]

  is kind of freaking me out a little bit [TS]

  well John and I are just perfect now we [TS]

  know just no one can challenge than [TS]

  anything no I was going to put the same [TS]

  thing in but you beat me to it so I just [TS]

  let you do don't think thanks thanks [TS]

  anyway sorry to try on your follow-up [TS]

  sir [TS]

  so anyway so there is a podcast by a [TS]

  German fellow whose name I don't have in [TS]

  front of me because I make the worst [TS]

  show notes in the world Chris Marquardt [TS]

  was very nice to talk about us on his [TS]

  photography podcast tips from the top [TS]

  floor was episode 748 it was about [TS]

  halfway through the episode give or take [TS]

  some so we'll put an overcast and [TS]

  concerns as well we're just gonna we're [TS]

  just gonna glide right by episode 748 of [TS]

  a podcast well I mean that's impressive [TS]

  748 that is the highest podcast episode [TS]

  where I've ever seen in my life [TS]

  no they go away higher than that so what [TS]

  I mean obviously I don't listen to the [TS]

  right kind of shows what kind of shows i [TS]

  guess the Daily Show's go over or the [TS]

  hundreds i don't want any daily podcast [TS]

  sure I mean yeah obviously anything [TS]

  Delhi last for more than a few years but [TS]

  also like you'd be surprised how many [TS]

  podcasts out there published more than [TS]

  one episode a usually these are usually [TS]

  these are things that are just dumped [TS]

  off of radio broadcasts so you'll have [TS]

  like to have like you know radio [TS]

  broadcast of today our one hour to hour [TS]

  three our four that's four different [TS]

  episodes in the podcast [TS]

  well I don't listen most kind of podcast [TS]

  by right this is not that kind of [TS]

  podcasts though I don't know that [TS]

  anybody listen to those kind of podcast [TS]

  but lots of people publish them [TS]

  yeah that's weird so anyway so on 748 [TS]

  episode 7 48 of Chris Marquardt's [TS]

  podcast photography tips from the top [TS]

  floor he discussed what we were [TS]

  discussing about how to keep dust out of [TS]

  your digital camera while you're [TS]

  changing lenses and I thought that was [TS]

  interesting discussion and the kind of [TS]

  short short version is [TS]

  really don't need to worry about it [TS]

  because it's unlikely that you're going [TS]

  to run into any sort of problem that [TS]

  will cause a visual distortion on your [TS]

  images and I'm oversimplifying for sure [TS]

  you should definitely check out the [TS]

  episode but there were three links that [TS]

  that he pointed his listeners to [TS]

  including me because I listened to it [TS]

  and I think all three were lens i guess [TS]

  all three were lens blog [TS]

  post now if you recall i think all three [TS]

  of us certainly I have a that Ben [TS]

  patrons of one's rentals they're not a [TS]

  sponsor but we've all used them and [TS]

  these three posts on their blog from as [TS]

  far back as 2008 actually involve what [TS]

  can happen to a lens and whether or not [TS]

  that really affects the the image that [TS]

  comes out of the camera and so they [TS]

  talked about in the first one getting [TS]

  lens dust on the screen and do some [TS]

  really interesting Terrans dust Dustin [TS]

  lens and do some really interesting [TS]

  tasks to show that unless you get fairly [TS]

  extreme and again i'm getting a little [TS]

  hand waving over simplifying but unless [TS]

  you get fairly extreme you're probably [TS]

  not going to notice this distortion and [TS]

  in fact they put little post-it note [TS]

  slivers onto the lens to show that it [TS]

  almost made no difference except very [TS]

  extreme scenarios and that was just [TS]

  mind-boggling to me that a little bit a [TS]

  piece of post-it note that looked like [TS]

  it was 23 millimeters square really in [TS]

  in in basic setups didn't seem to matter [TS]

  that blew my mind and when you when you [TS]

  use really narrow aperture did seem to [TS]

  matter but wide open especially made [TS]

  almost no difference is that a fair [TS]

  summary that first link all right i'll [TS]

  take that as yes moving on this and then [TS]

  the second link they had was about [TS]

  scratches and whether or not scratches [TS]

  on the lens make a difference and they [TS]

  post they posted within their blog post [TS]

  two pictures one is of a waste [TS]

  management like dumpster [TS]

  it is not on fire one is of a piece of [TS]

  paper and these images I mean they're [TS]

  not remarkable but there was no obvious [TS]

  damage if you will to these images these [TS]

  images look like they were taken with [TS]

  regular lens and then you scroll down [TS]

  and you see the lens they were taken [TS]

  within it has like I don't know maybe 10 [TS]

  cracks straight through the lens in you [TS]

  know kind of like a wheel like spokes on [TS]

  a wheel kind of shape it was crazy and [TS]

  it is crazy to me that this lens that is [TS]

  effectively shattered somehow ends up [TS]

  producing images that are ok so those [TS]

  were the two that i think were most [TS]

  directly applicable to the sorts of [TS]

  things that may be any one of us was [TS]

  going to but the third one was the most [TS]

  ridiculous which is it is entitled I [TS]

  don't know why it swallowed a fly [TS]

  weather-sealed lens with a fly inside a [TS]

  spoiler alert this lens had a fly within [TS]

  it [TS]

  it is ridiculous that this fly got all [TS]

  the way deep within this lens and they [TS]

  in because this is their business they [TS]

  had to take it apart and repair it and [TS]

  they kind of go through how they did [TS]

  that but it was incredible to me that [TS]

  such a thing is even possible because i [TS]

  assumed obviously ignorantly so i assume [TS]

  that these things are like hermetically [TS]

  sealed and all that but their point was [TS]

  hey if this lens is a zoom lens where [TS]

  things are moving something has to take [TS]

  up the space that's just been vacated [TS]

  and that thing is air so air is getting [TS]

  in and out of these lenses whether you [TS]

  like it or not and occasionally you can [TS]

  find a pretty big gap where a small fly [TS]

  can fly through so i just love these [TS]

  were all really really interesting post [TS]

  the the podcast Egyptian top floor [TS]

  the episode was definitely really good [TS]

  and worth listening to so definitely [TS]

  check all this stuff out of here at all [TS]

  interested in any of this and this is [TS]

  also by the way one of the reasons why [TS]

  the higher-end zoom lenses don't have [TS]

  any externally moving elements most of [TS]

  the time it's doesn't make a perfect [TS]

  still stuff is still good especially [TS]

  just being just like sucked in through [TS]

  like you know seals and stuff but this [TS]

  lens has one of those things really as [TS]

  you zoom in the whole end of it gets a [TS]

  lot longer as a whole kind of internal [TS]

  barrel sticks out whereas the high-end [TS]

  zoom lenses will typically retain their [TS]

  exterior shape and dimensions at all the [TS]

  different zoom lens like all the zoom is [TS]

  basically happening [TS]

  inside the lens and there's lots of [TS]

  benefits that one of them is that is [TS]

  less likely to suck in an entire fly [TS]

  yeah it's just absolutely ridiculous to [TS]

  me that any of this happened [TS]

  yeah so the one thing about that was the [TS]

  the main topic of conversation is the [TS]

  idea of a door that goes down in front [TS]

  of the sensor for when for when you're [TS]

  changing lenses and so the most relevant [TS]

  piece of information about that was the [TS]

  idea that even when the lens on your [TS]

  camera the dust can get inside and you [TS]

  know the telescoping thing with the ones [TS]

  that move externally with the with both [TS]

  the internal and external ones that [TS]

  probably did [TS]

  depends on the design of the camera [TS]

  because with a purely internal one there [TS]

  doesn't need to be in a net air movement [TS]

  inside and outside the lens because the [TS]

  same amount of errors in there as long [TS]

  as there are some way for you to hair [TS]

  that's already inside the completely [TS]

  unchanging shape of cylindrical barrel [TS]

  the thing like that will be fine for the [TS]

  ones that do move [TS]

  I don't know enough about zoom lens to [TS]

  know if there is a glass element between [TS]

  the part that moves and the rest of the [TS]

  camera so yes your mind that way you [TS]

  have a thing where the lens actually [TS]

  gets longer and shorter then there's [TS]

  some air exchange taking place there but [TS]

  is that air exchange causing air to [TS]

  enter into the sensor chamber and out of [TS]

  it or is it just causing air to enter [TS]

  the the the front part of the zoom lens [TS]

  in and out but either way the point is [TS]

  when the lenses on things can get in i'm [TS]

  still in favor of the door though i'll [TS]

  tell you why the one of the owners of [TS]

  the point was that like the dust just [TS]

  floats in the air doesn't go down into [TS]

  your camera but that's I mean it's true [TS]

  the dust is not going to make a diving [TS]

  purple bombing run for your camera soon [TS]

  as it sees the lenses on because this is [TS]

  not Cynthia but the net movement of dust [TS]

  is still down that movement of us wasn't [TS]

  down to be dust all over our ceilings [TS]

  and all of our furniture and the other [TS]

  thing is that really the type of things [TS]

  that can get onto your sensor at the [TS]

  lancer lens stuff is different things [TS]

  can get onto your sensor small things [TS]

  can make a big difference in particular [TS]

  things that were on my sensor the theory [TS]

  that people had is that it was big [TS]

  enough for me to see and it was it stuck [TS]

  to the thing i must in pollen or [TS]

  something [TS]

  the the bigger that the trunk or the [TS]

  piece of dust the harder it is for it to [TS]

  get through any kind of ceiling in a [TS]

  lens right especially for primaries [TS]

  where nothing is moving and it's all [TS]

  closed up with the meantime you are [TS]

  vulnerable to dust is when not when [TS]

  there's a tiny crack opening in [TS]

  you know sometimes ceiling but when [TS]

  there's a huge gaping opening and if [TS]

  pawn is blowing around that's the time [TS]

  the piece of palms into coming to get [TS]

  stuck to your sensor so with the sensor [TS]

  as i said on the show I didn't even have [TS]

  faith that the sensor would actually [TS]

  even seal off our door that we actually [TS]

  can see all the sensor even if there was [TS]

  a door because the door is not gonna [TS]

  have a perfect seal either but I still [TS]

  say it's better than completely open [TS]

  gigantic opening to the air and I still [TS]

  say it is better to not have your sensor [TS]

  facing upward for any appreciable amount [TS]

  of time because although dust does kind [TS]

  of float in the air the heavier the [TS]

  bigger than us the more likely it is to [TS]

  go down and if you leave there long [TS]

  enough dust will settle on your sensor [TS]

  and dust on the sensor unlike Dustin [TS]

  lenses actually is surprisingly visible [TS]

  small sizes because that's a whole [TS]

  different ballgame and dust way out [TS]

  there somewhere in the in the path of [TS]

  that light takes as it goes through [TS]

  these giant pieces of glass this is on [TS]

  the sensor like directly on the little [TS]

  whatever thing that protects the you [TS]

  know it's very close to the actual [TS]

  things that sense the light so a small [TS]

  piece of dust upon can make a big [TS]

  difference so I'm still proud or but in [TS]

  the meantime i'm still being super [TS]

  careful [TS]

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  ah so just earlier today as we record [TS]

  there has been an announcement that we [TS]

  are going to talk about the mac or [TS]

  really Apple is going to talk about the [TS]

  mac on october 27th mediated invites of [TS]

  going out and as usual apples keeping [TS]

  things close to the chest under the best [TS]

  whatever the phrasing is under the vest [TS]

  people actually say that now i just [TS]

  closed the Chester sounded wrong he just [TS]

  he's got as a as merchants works again [TS]

  it happens from time to time we are [TS]

  professionals kids don't try this at [TS]

  home so the invite has a colorful apple [TS]

  logo or most of one anyway and it says [TS]

  hello again beneath it and of course all [TS]

  the old Apple nerds like John siracusa [TS]

  are remembering some old Mac I don't [TS]

  even know which one it was that said [TS]

  hello again on some all the matter i [TS]

  know i'm gonna love this like you're [TS]

  doing this I swear to God I did that on [TS]

  purpose just to see you get word here [TS]

  you get riled hard to know with you guys [TS]

  are reminiscing about leopard so which [TS]

  old witch important Mac was John well [TS]

  that's the the one bullet point of the [TS]

  put in this invitation normally I don't [TS]

  put much stock in spending time looking [TS]

  at these invitation images you know [TS]

  they're fun they're amusing and it's [TS]

  great to see them over but like whatever [TS]

  like a natural be I think time is shown [TS]

  for the most part the announcement [TS]

  images haha connect to what is announced [TS]

  in a less interesting way than people [TS]

  imagine like they're always looking for [TS]

  something really interesting this [TS]

  connection very often i'm usually that [TS]

  connection is pretty obvious and the [TS]

  obvious interpretation is correct it's [TS]

  not a big deal the reason i think this [TS]

  one is interesting and probably [TS]

  interesting in a bad way is not because [TS]

  of the picture which appears to be an [TS]

  apple logo with what do you guys think [TS]

  that is smoke interesting color blobs [TS]

  looks like a blurred version of the [TS]

  aurora borealis behind some dark trees [TS]

  at night [TS]

  yeah that sounds stupid but but like he [TS]

  has a pink blob and maybe that will [TS]

  connect to what is announced in a way [TS]

  that is obvious after the fact [TS]

  or whatever but it also has text [TS]

  underneath the text says hello again and [TS]

  all lowercase in my nose at san [TS]

  francisco i'm not good at identifying [TS]

  fonts probably hates me and that is [TS]

  significant because the original [TS]

  Macintosh was famously to people who are [TS]

  alive and into tech then introduced with [TS]

  a hello and script written in mac paint [TS]

  on the screen kind of like you know that [TS]

  look very humanistic way for the [TS]

  computer to announce itself rather than [TS]

  you know monospaced font or text or [TS]

  whatever's hello Raymond script in a big [TS]

  thick line right and that didn't show up [TS]

  again as a marketing motif other than [TS]

  referencing back to the original [TS]

  marketing motif until the imac when [TS]

  steve jobs in return and it's the first [TS]

  big important product this God wasn't [TS]

  the first time back [TS]

  yes it was the first time and that one [TS]

  now there's hello and then in [TS]

  parentheses again and the reason that [TS]

  said hello again it's because it was [TS]

  kind of announcing this new computer [TS]

  this weird teal thing that you've never [TS]

  seen before like it looks like no other [TS]

  magnificent house like it along with the [TS]

  ipod the products that turned around [TS]

  apple from this company that was going [TS]

  out of business the company to pay [TS]

  attention to the imac really i think was [TS]

  the thing that made people say well [TS]

  maybe the apples not going out of [TS]

  business after all but it's not you know [TS]

  that's damning with faint praise is not [TS]

  going out of business about people [TS]

  paying attention and it was interesting [TS]

  was that it was the original iMac the [TS]

  best computer in the world [TS]

  no but it was very important computer [TS]

  was important to apple because it meant [TS]

  that they were a vibrant company can do [TS]

  interesting things that people will want [TS]

  to look at and it was important to the [TS]

  entire industry that influence how [TS]

  technology and computing hardware was [TS]

  made from that point forward we're [TS]

  talking about all the teal my irons and [TS]

  and vacuums and all sorts of other [TS]

  things are just influence industrial [TS]

  design and brought a new focus on what [TS]

  computers look like or before they were [TS]

  just basically base boxes and apples [TS]

  have a classier beige boxes but uh it [TS]

  didn't make a difference in else and [TS]

  this one was in your face you could not [TS]

  ignore it was look totally different [TS]

  everything else and so hello again felt [TS]

  appropriate appropriate time gap was the [TS]

  imac like 1998 from the 1984 298 that's [TS]

  when I felt like it was important and [TS]

  significant enough to reference back to [TS]

  the original max [TS]

  hello and i give them that I say alright [TS]

  hello again it fit with that it was it [TS]

  was an important dramatic moment in the [TS]

  history of Apple important time to [TS]

  reference back to the original neck now [TS]

  they're saying it's no parentheses this [TS]

  time and the obvious interpretation is [TS]

  oh this is gonna be an announcement [TS]

  about Max which surprised that's what [TS]

  everyone assumes it's going to be this [TS]

  is the time when they're going to [TS]

  announce some kind of maximal talk about [TS]

  what which maxes might be in a little [TS]

  bit and it's a nice way of saying we [TS]

  know it's been a long time since we [TS]

  introduced max so here's some acts right [TS]

  but I feel like by using hello again [TS]

  they are implying significance that I [TS]

  don't think they can deliver on unless [TS]

  they're doing our max oh that's right [TS]

  there implying a significant significant [TS]

  event as important as the original [TS]

  Macintosh or the first imac and the only [TS]

  thing i can announce today that the only [TS]

  thing that in any of the rumors or [TS]

  whatever that they can announce it [TS]

  tomorrow or whenever next week that will [TS]

  live up to hello again is if there are [TS]

  substantially altering the mac line in a [TS]

  way that is obvious injuries as obvious [TS]

  and as dramatic as the imac was or as [TS]

  the original mac was and maybe even our [TS]

  maximum quality that only on marriage [TS]

  equality because people don't care what [TS]

  the hell chip is in their computers [TS]

  right but at least the nerves that would [TS]

  be significant it would be a big [TS]

  transition but i don't think they're [TS]

  going to announce our max I'm gonna have [TS]

  a bunch of new max they're pretty cool i [TS]

  don't know if you deserve it all again I [TS]

  feel like I've been overhyped already [TS]

  raining on everyone's parade and were [TS]

  over a week away with its this is only [TS]

  been an announcement for like six hours [TS]

  why does the word you can't you can't [TS]

  tell it like you can / use it like the [TS]

  one more thing they've used sparingly [TS]

  for the most part and I almost get them [TS]

  past the optically like one more thing [TS]

  was used so many times hello is only [TS]

  been used [TS]

  you know the original mac constant [TS]

  references the original mac and then the [TS]

  imac with again in parentheses and other [TS]

  using now because they haven't released [TS]

  max in like a year it's not if they're [TS]

  trying to do it to like you know to [TS]

  engender good feelings that's not [TS]

  working on me and I don't think there's [TS]

  anything they can deliver that will live [TS]

  up to the significance of that too old [TS]

  fogies like me everyone else doesn't [TS]

  care like no no the hell knows what [TS]

  hello again you didn't know what they [TS]

  were lying back like it's not even not [TS]

  gonna stop at a company but for me as an [TS]

  old-school mac user I feel like this [TS]

  isn't it [TS]

  appropriate use of that solution and or [TS]

  are they can announce new amazing max [TS]

  that are totally on par with the imac an [TS]

  original mac but I'm not holding my [TS]

  breath [TS]

  yeah I mean like I I think I don't doubt [TS]

  that it is possible to do something in [TS]

  the mac lineup that would justify this [TS]

  level of old-school reference type but [TS]

  I'd I really don't think it's very [TS]

  likely likely that's what they've done [TS]

  this time just because of you know the [TS]

  the situation the mac has been in for [TS]

  all this time the the relative [TS]

  importance of the mac to apple that that [TS]

  at least the way it seems is fairly low [TS]

  these days so I i really doubt that they [TS]

  have done what you would expect from [TS]

  this kind of reference that being said I [TS]

  mean you know the the again now is not [TS]

  in parentheses so maybe that means that [TS]

  they deleted more ports [TS]

  I don't know well I mean it that's the [TS]

  other thing like you can do hello and [TS]

  you can do hello again but if you do [TS]

  again again and you're kind of out of [TS]

  ideas so I mean that could be where [TS]

  they're saying it's not as significant [TS]

  as you think we're referencing hello but [TS]

  obviously we'd already did it low again [TS]

  and we're doing it again again if they [TS]

  headed hello again again that I mean [TS]

  they did the voice of the funnest ipod [TS]

  why not hello again again i want to [TS]

  write what killed that one in the [TS]

  meeting to come up with the slogan [TS]

  figures bigger probably a 10 minute [TS]

  meeting because again [TS]

  who cares about these images whom even [TS]

  knows they exist except for like tech [TS]

  journalists people who read text sites [TS]

  but that's a thing I mean like they [TS]

  disappear the moment the event starts [TS]

  these images disappear from the world [TS]

  yeah no one cares about that once the [TS]

  motor did things over known goes back [TS]

  and says oh I guess you know it turned [TS]

  out they were announcing a you know back [TS]

  to the mac they did announce about your [TS]

  mac stuff so anyway I personally feel [TS]

  like I have been overhyped in the grand [TS]

  scheme of things the hell again doesn't [TS]

  matter at all but i won't forget [TS]

  so here's a question the so the macbook [TS]

  pro based on the rumors and everything [TS]

  that have been fairly consistent for [TS]

  quite a long time now so i think there's [TS]

  no prob one of those like where the [TS]

  smoke there's fire situations where we [TS]

  can be pretty sure at least some of [TS]

  what's being announced next week with [TS]

  this point and and it sure seems like [TS]

  the macbook pro is getting a noteworthy [TS]

  update but not like a revolutionary up [TS]

  you know like it might be getting some [TS]

  cool software malfunction keys like okay [TS]

  that's that's fine but you know it's [TS]

  probably not going to be amazing [TS]

  revolutionary for going to be you know a [TS]

  nice to have it's probably going to get [TS]

  a little bit smaller a little bit [TS]

  lighter that's also you know not [TS]

  revolutionary just nice to have probably [TS]

  gonna be in a little faster little [TS]

  slightly more updated things touch ID [TS]

  maybe for unlocking again nice to have [TS]

  so it's good it's going to add up to a [TS]

  really nice update not likelihood but [TS]

  you know to to be this revolutionary [TS]

  what you're expecting from this use of [TS]

  this reference i don't think it's in the [TS]

  chance [TS]

  one thing I am a little curious about is [TS]

  that 13-inch retina macbook air [TS]

  I'm telling you like that there's [TS]

  something there there's something like [TS]

  we've been hearing about the macbook pro [TS]

  forever now that we've been hearing [TS]

  about about this updated MacBook Pro and [TS]

  rumor sites for what six months at least [TS]

  it's been a long time and then we've [TS]

  heard almost nothing about whatever this [TS]

  13-inch macbook or macbook air is being [TS]

  released allegedly maybe that is going [TS]

  to be more interesting because you know [TS]

  they share sell a lot of macbook airs [TS]

  and so even though like the geeks like [TS]

  us have been focused on the retina [TS]

  machines for the last you know four [TS]

  years since the first one they still [TS]

  continue to sell a ton of macbook airs [TS]

  because they're very they're very [TS]

  affordable [TS]

  they're very practical they're really [TS]

  good balance about the things we've gone [TS]

  over this before I wonder if maybe the [TS]

  really significant machine of this event [TS]

  is actually that their connect MacBook [TS]

  Air we over whatever whatever it is that [TS]

  is going to fill that slot now I don't [TS]

  know [TS]

  so let's suppose for a second that there [TS]

  is a 13-inch macbook of some flavor that [TS]

  is retina why would that be an air and [TS]

  not just a 13-inch macbook that's a [TS]

  problem with all these rumors because [TS]

  they keep saying the 13-inch macbook air [TS]

  as as we all know from longtime watching [TS]

  rivers things [TS]

  the one thing that rumor sites pretty [TS]

  much never know the two things that [TS]

  pretty much never know are the the name [TS]

  in the price because those are easily [TS]

  changeable and they're not important for [TS]

  most people to know who would leak small [TS]

  number of people can know them name [TS]

  price leaked last and sometimes price [TS]

  not at all and they have to but they [TS]

  have to keep referring to this [TS]

  but you know whatever they have rumors [TS]

  and partly sand things people have seen [TS]

  things or whatever even people who are [TS]

  working on the machine don't know what [TS]

  it's going to be named that's not their [TS]

  Department all i know is that there's a [TS]

  13 inch screen and something having to [TS]

  do with a laptop and we discussed in the [TS]

  past like maybe that 13 screen was for [TS]

  is that a 13-inch macbook pro is it a [TS]

  13-inch macbook is it an air replacement [TS]

  that the whole point is you can have [TS]

  someone with this machine sitting in [TS]

  front of them right now and get them on [TS]

  the phone and say so is that a macbook [TS]

  air like i don't know i can just [TS]

  describe to you the Machine I don't know [TS]

  how it's going to be sold it going to [TS]

  have the air name under not especially [TS]

  if its retina like what makes it at this [TS]

  point [TS]

  air is defined by not having a Retina [TS]

  screen like that's what distinguished [TS]

  visitor having old forts and not having [TS]

  a redneck screen and you know so i don't [TS]

  know if they have a laptop that fits [TS]

  into that slot in their lineup [TS]

  somehow I think it's fine but i don't [TS]

  know if we can but by continually [TS]

  referring to it as a 13-inch macbook air [TS]

  i think it's weird expectations about it [TS]

  like you know does that mean it has to [TS]

  be really cheap does that mean it has to [TS]

  have more ports then we would expect [TS]

  does that mean it has to have a non [TS]

  retina screen otherwise it's not an air [TS]

  or is it just have to put the name air [TS]

  on it and it'll be like surprise apples [TS]

  decided to keep that line going even [TS]

  though there's no real reason to [TS]

  well but you know I air does mean [TS]

  something in in hardware terms the air [TS]

  has always used this line of intel cpus [TS]

  that has a thermal power of roughly 17 [TS]

  wats and the macbook one uses like six [TS]

  wat cpus so it's a lot less power and [TS]

  therefore it can be families but also is [TS]

  not nearly as fast can sustain alone for [TS]

  nearly as long and as a bunch of [TS]

  limitations like and how many ports you [TS]

  can have due to various limitation of [TS]

  the chips and everything else so that [TS]

  book one like it's never gonna it's [TS]

  never gonna be as powerful as as a [TS]

  recently updated in macbook air could be [TS]

  because I'm applicators has a much [TS]

  higher power budget and then above the [TS]

  macbook air you have the 13-inch macbook [TS]

  pros and those use I mean that the [TS]

  macbook pro 15-inch use like a 45 watt [TS]

  line i forget water 30 inches things [TS]

  like 25 or 30 anyway whatever it is it's [TS]

  a lot more than 17 and so you have this [TS]

  like slot in the middle and the macbook [TS]

  air one of the reasons it could be so [TS]

  thin and so light and so small is [TS]

  because these really low power too [TS]

  use were just an awesome balance of [TS]

  power versus performance that lineup of [TS]

  these little 71 cpus has been as yet [TS]

  completely unused in anything with [TS]

  Retina screen and therefore completely [TS]

  unused anything that our powers like us [TS]

  might care about because most of us want [TS]

  reading screens but it turns out like [TS]

  that balance is awesome like for what [TS]

  most people need of a laptop you know [TS]

  the macbook one the most recent book one [TS]

  the second one got a lot faster than the [TS]

  first one but it's still nowhere near [TS]

  what an updated air could do and the [TS]

  epoch won a lot of people complain that [TS]

  you know and I used on briefly I know [TS]

  like you know it's kind of slow [TS]

  well turns out that the macbook air has [TS]

  a lot fewer people complaining about the [TS]

  slowness because macbook air cpus can [TS]

  actually be substantially faster and so [TS]

  to not use that that processor line in [TS]

  anything i think is a waste because it's [TS]

  such a good balance of battery life and [TS]

  and low heat vs performance now what [TS]

  they could do is basically have the [TS]

  macbook pro 13-inch come down and kind [TS]

  and use that processor line at least [TS]

  offered as an option and kind of replace [TS]

  what the air used to be but then you [TS]

  have nothing using these here that David [TS]

  job in the chat is clarified the 13 [TS]

  inches 28 wat cpu so basically goes five [TS]

  or six watch for the macbook 1 16 or 17 [TS]

  for the air [TS]

  28 for the 13 and 45 for the 15 these [TS]

  are distinct power classes that are [TS]

  pretty far from each other you know the [TS]

  the macbook air compared to the 13-inch [TS]

  it's it's twice as much I mean it's [TS]

  there it's you know twice or half as [TS]

  much it's a huge gap and the macbook one [TS]

  macbook airs three times as much [TS]

  so these are major power differences in [TS]

  the heat the battery life the budget [TS]

  like these are huge power differences [TS]

  and that's why these computers are able [TS]

  to be so different in size and battery [TS]

  life it's not because they choose the [TS]

  sizes arbitrarily it's because this [TS]

  massive power sucking component of the [TS]

  of the computer is chosen and kind of in [TS]

  these buckets and they can shrink the [TS]

  rest of computer there's the computer [TS]

  around that so they can be the smallest [TS]

  lightest computer possible that can [TS]

  still give you know annex what cpu [TS]

  enough battery life to be practical and [TS]

  useful to people what I was getting at [TS]

  with the airline [TS]

  not having a place anymore is because [TS]

  the airline was introduced as the ultra [TS]

  portable and the air name is going away [TS]

  because the idea of the ipad air is not [TS]

  replaced by they have been you know they [TS]

  still sell it like it's on its way out [TS]

  and the air laptop continues to have the [TS]

  nightmare despite the fact that is no [TS]

  longer the smallest lightest laptop so [TS]

  what I would totally expect out of a 13 [TS]

  inch computer that people keep calling a [TS]

  13-inch macbook air is for it to be a [TS]

  13-inch macbook not a 13-inch macbook [TS]

  pro using the 15 or 20 2015 why the cpu [TS]

  and there but to be a 13-inch macbook [TS]

  because i don't think there's anything [TS]

  that says that the macbook has to be [TS]

  families they're really small macbook [TS]

  can be fanless the next one up can have [TS]

  a wee little fan it and then you go pro [TS]

  13 pro 15 that seems like a line that [TS]

  makes sense to me [TS]

  macbook pro and macbook i see no place [TS]

  for the air branding except as a legacy [TS]

  thing where it's likely have not read [TS]

  the screens they're super cheap and [TS]

  you're right that it's weird that [TS]

  they've been the only one to have this [TS]

  particular balance of power and you know [TS]

  sighs I that's apples faults for just [TS]

  deciding to let the air be like this [TS]

  legacy line and not using that champion [TS]

  myself but I think now would be the time [TS]

  to use that trip someplace else or the [TS]

  chips in that class not just specific [TS]

  trip and I i think it is more natural [TS]

  for it to fit as a 13-inch macbook then [TS]

  to fit as like pushing up the line or [TS]

  whatever and then then the airline [TS]

  really does go away or becomes like the [TS]

  iplayer we're like yet i continued to [TS]

  sell it even more discounted price just [TS]

  to just because they can but the you [TS]

  know you have the macbook you have a [TS]

  slightly bigger macbook and you have the [TS]

  macbook pro and slightly bigger macbook [TS]

  pro and i think that would make a nice [TS]

  lineup [TS]

  yeah baby but that point like you know [TS]

  if if you're saying that like you know [TS]

  the difference between the what what is [TS]

  now the macbook the map at one and the [TS]

  macbook air line you know they're [TS]

  complete twice as fast it can it can [TS]

  have way more ports enough and more [TS]

  kinds of ports and a bigger screen and [TS]

  so if that considers itself within the [TS]

  same family of these two very different [TS]

  computers [TS]

  why does the macbook pro get a [TS]

  protonation how is that any different [TS]

  external GPU and 13-inch no.13 doesn't [TS]

  have it the 15 only has optionally now [TS]

  you could have it [TS]

  well barely only the very high end bug [TS]

  you and you get worse better [TS]

  it's if you choose that option past [TS]

  that's everything i'm gonna lie i feel [TS]

  like it could be the same with a 13 inch [TS]

  pro would be thicker heavier and that [TS]

  thickness and heavier and happiness [TS]

  would give it more battery to do more [TS]

  power cycling stuff whether it's having [TS]

  a higher clock cpu or more ram or an [TS]

  external GPU on the high end model or [TS]

  anything like that you said you can see [TS]

  the exact same thing about going from [TS]

  the 12 of the 13 inch like you know it's [TS]

  like it's the same it's the same scale [TS]

  of difference between the current [TS]

  macbook one and the rumored retina [TS]

  macbook air as they would be between [TS]

  this retina macbook air and macbook pro [TS]

  line [TS]

  look you've got you've got three classes [TS]

  of cpu and you only got two names right [TS]

  because i think the the air name is on [TS]

  its way out so you you gotta divide down [TS]

  the middle be macbook and macbook pro so [TS]

  the metal cpu things got to go on one [TS]

  side of the other and I think it should [TS]

  on the macbook side if it goes in the [TS]

  pro side oh well but it seems more [TS]

  natural for me to go on her to go on the [TS]

  macbook side [TS]

  yeah i think i agree i think the macbook [TS]

  air name goes away and I think that we [TS]

  are left with macbooks and macbook pros [TS]

  and and that's all that remains well [TS]

  maybe it was ok so maybe like older [TS]

  devices would retain the air name but [TS]

  i'm talking about the brand new devices [TS]

  whatever is considered the most modern I [TS]

  think it would either be macbook or [TS]

  macbook pro now they would travel [TS]

  spending on the chat room that we [TS]

  actually for classes you got the 45 [TS]

  water in the 15-inch the 28 water in the [TS]

  13-inch and then you're down into the [TS]

  macbook air at 16 and macbook at five so [TS]

  if you're going to put the 16 and fives [TS]

  or 15 and 5 down the macbook and the 45 [TS]

  and 28 in the pro that's an even split [TS]

  then but it really depends on what [TS]

  things apple actually decides to use [TS]

  because just because cpu classes of cpus [TS]

  are available doesn't mean that Apple [TS]

  necessarily use them in their products [TS]

  I just think the air the whole air [TS]

  naming thing doesn't make sense anymore [TS]

  needs to go into way out but i think [TS]

  people keep using that name because it's [TS]

  the only way they have to refer to a [TS]

  machine that's not a pro and it's not [TS]

  the skinny little macbook protected by [TS]

  the way I want to start off of though [TS]

  because only one of us are 1.5 just [TS]

  looking at the notes was for the [TS]

  projector 27 Apple event i think one [TS]

  place to start would be what should [TS]

  apple announced in order of priority [TS]

  like what's the most important [TS]

  thing for them to announce second most [TS]

  important therapist or whatever and then [TS]

  after that we can say what we wish they [TS]

  would announce ignoring what's actually [TS]

  important for the company so who wants [TS]

  to go first what should apple announced [TS]

  that this October 27 minutes but there's [TS]

  no there's no question it has to be new [TS]

  macbook pros because that is the [TS]

  workhorse of the lineup as far as i'm [TS]

  concerned i agree with you that a lot of [TS]

  MacBook Airs gets old and maybe somebody [TS]

  has numbers somebody outside apple has [TS]

  numbers maybe it's more macbook air and [TS]

  macbook pros but man I think business [TS]

  runs a lot of businesses run a macbook [TS]

  pros laminators too i guess but a lot of [TS]

  businesses run macros IC macbook pros [TS]

  everywhere I think they have to announce [TS]

  macbook pros I think that's [TS]

  non-negotiable or an equivalent thereof [TS]

  for some reason they changed the name i [TS]

  think that's non-negotiable my greatest [TS]

  number one I mean it's obvious number [TS]

  one it's a thing I think if we have to [TS]

  put money we would all bet on as the [TS]

  most likely think they have to because [TS]

  it is it is the most important mac that [TS]

  they have is their laptop line and the [TS]

  macbook pros I did they would have been [TS]

  updated a long time they're really [TS]

  important beautiful care about Max at [TS]

  all they need to and almost certainly [TS]

  will announce new macbook pros [TS]

  well if you look at what is most [TS]

  important for them to announce if you go [TS]

  by like Tim Cook Apple it's probably the [TS]

  air pods [TS]

  well we're talking about Max at this [TS]

  point okay well I guess I guess based on [TS]

  the based on the little advertisement [TS]

  although we're not reading too much into [TS]

  it says hello again that's a mac [TS]

  reference this event is going to be on [TS]

  max knows it will be other things this [TS]

  event who knows who knows what other [TS]

  stuff that amount for their pods are [TS]

  already a thing I feel like this is [TS]

  event is going to be about Max for the [TS]

  most part and you know unless you think [TS]

  of some other higher priority thing that [TS]

  they need to announce in October that [TS]

  they haven't already announced I mean [TS]

  air pods are probably gonna make them [TS]

  more money than the macbook pro well for [TS]

  a while I nobody is that everybody know [TS]

  but we can't buy me [TS]

  no but you will be able like that sure [TS]

  don't have the data what everybody [TS]

  thinks [TS]

  announcing the date for for that is more [TS]

  important than the new max I don't know [TS]

  maybe Tim I I honestly don't think that [TS]

  Tim gives much thought to the back it's [TS]

  not it's not that he like hates it or [TS]

  doesn't care about it i just don't get a [TS]

  lot of thought I really don't [TS]

  well but anyway personal personal CEO [TS]

  speculation aside yeah it's probably [TS]

  macbook pro i think you're right i do [TS]

  think the macbook air is probably if i [TS]

  had to guess the one who sells the most [TS]

  however macbook air buyers tend to buy [TS]

  it because it is so cheap and so it's [TS]

  often like schools and people who are [TS]

  buying a ton of them and who need them [TS]

  to be as as affordable as possible [TS]

  because the blanket on and you know in [TS]

  the case of schools they don't have [TS]

  massive budgets so it's probably that [TS]

  the macbook air while it is very [TS]

  important for two existing be sold and [TS]

  in my opinion be good i think it's less [TS]

  important that it be radically [TS]

  up-to-date the macbook pro on the other [TS]

  hand cells to people who more often care [TS]

  about how you know fresh it is and and [TS]

  macbook pro buyers would probably be [TS]

  more worked the macbook air buyers at [TS]

  the at the process of buying a two or [TS]

  three-year old one brand new [TS]

  yeah i think the crisis they're facing [TS]

  here with the whole the whole hello [TS]

  again think basically acknowledges that [TS]

  is they are acknowledging that the [TS]

  people who do not buy most of the most [TS]

  volume because like that the most volume [TS]

  as the cheap ones right but the people [TS]

  who buy cheap ones are not like waiting [TS]

  for Apple events looking for [TS]

  announcement it's the enthusiast [TS]

  community or like the more advanced pro [TS]

  users who have even noticed that Apple [TS]

  has not updated their backline you're [TS]

  right a long time where you know we're [TS]

  the only people even notice [TS]

  so this is it's an important that [TS]

  there's no like lack of it there's no [TS]

  there's no faith gap among the people [TS]

  are buying a macbook airs because they [TS]

  don't know or care like Apple day so [TS]

  that the fact that there's already [TS]

  ancient have not read the screen to be [TS]

  told most people like non-red know what [TS]

  I'm not just talking about it like this [TS]

  laptop right that's not what this event [TS]

  for that's why I think the highest [TS]

  priority the most important thing that [TS]

  they have to announce here is the [TS]

  macbook pros not because they're gonna [TS]

  sell more macros the macbook airs but [TS]

  because that's what this event is all [TS]

  about announcing sterile you have to [TS]

  move get over the head of the train [TS]

  ahead like that thought the tail end [TS]

  it's going it's like nobody cares about [TS]

  that is so I think history has shown you [TS]

  cannot update the macbook is real long [TS]

  time they still keep selling which we [TS]

  think is awful as enthusiasts victim [TS]

  could probably likes so we're all in [TS]

  agreement macbook pro is the most [TS]

  important with a corollary about pod [TS]

  making a lot of money for Tim yeah I [TS]

  mean ultimately like here's here's what [TS]

  I would like see like I i get i get why [TS]

  Tim Cook doesn't have to care that much [TS]

  about things like the mac mini and [TS]

  keeping the Medicare up-to-date I get [TS]

  why but all of us are Apple fans because [TS]

  apple for many product categories and [TS]

  for many for many times throughout [TS]

  history has stood for being the best do [TS]

  making things that the best they can [TS]

  make them making you know what they [TS]

  consider to be the best product possible [TS]

  and if you look at the mac mini is that [TS]

  really the best product possible [TS]

  no of course not apple doesn't care [TS]

  about it if you look at the you know the [TS]

  21 inch imac that still ships with a [TS]

  5400 RPM hard drive standard is that the [TS]

  best product apple can make no of course [TS]

  not [TS]

  basically you can look at a lot of the [TS]

  mac lineup and whether it's like [TS]

  entry-level being way too low [TS]

  spec-wise that actually make for bad [TS]

  products like hard drive equipped [TS]

  computers in 2016 or if you look at mac [TS]

  product lines that just almost never get [TS]

  updated and continue selling the oldest [TS]

  hardware forever like the mac pro in the [TS]

  mac mini I just wish Apple cared about [TS]

  these things as much as we do [TS]

  because Apple as a brand and I do [TS]

  believe that many of the people at both [TS]

  high and low levels of the company [TS]

  believe this and think this way Apple [TS]

  tries to make the best products they [TS]

  possibly can make in so many categories [TS]

  and for some reason they think it's okay [TS]

  to completely neglect it's almost too [TS]

  insulting degree some of their mac [TS]

  product lines and to me like that's not [TS]

  Apple like at least that's not that's [TS]

  not the way Apple thinks it is and [TS]

  presents itself and the way that we [TS]

  Apple enthusiasts want them to be even [TS]

  though you know actions speak louder [TS]

  than words so right now that's the kind [TS]

  of company Apple is but I wish they [TS]

  weren't i wish they were the kind of [TS]

  company that they protect themselves as [TS]

  that we expect them to be you know [TS]

  everything you sell you should try to [TS]

  make it as good as you can make it [TS]

  because that's what if you had to pick [TS]

  one Apple value like what water apples [TS]

  values or does Apple stand for [TS]

  it's that it's that everything they make [TS]

  should be the best thing that they can [TS]

  make [TS]

  you can't say that about a macpro that [TS]

  has been updated in three years or Mac [TS]

  me that has been updated in probably [TS]

  about as long or these computers at skip [TS]

  generations because apple just doesn't [TS]

  care about new hardware to put in them [TS]

  and they'll keep selling it only because [TS]

  it keeps selling like the like the one [TS]

  on one laptop or the you know all the is [TS]

  it like keeping that keeping selling [TS]

  anything non-retina in 2016 anything [TS]

  with a spinning hard drive in 2016 like [TS]

  these are not the best products they can [TS]

  be and margins might suffer a little bit [TS]

  and you might have to put in some [TS]

  engineering effort sometimes into [TS]

  product lines aren't that popular but if [TS]

  they're worth making at all keep making [TS]

  the best they can be because that that's [TS]

  what Apple is supposed to actually stand [TS]

  for and dad just qualify their real i [TS]

  can imagine people typing up there [TS]

  32 replies right now is listen I if the [TS]

  best they can be within their price [TS]

  point obviously no one is saying for [TS]

  every single computer has to have the [TS]

  very best computer components and every [TS]

  man has to have the arm processors and [TS]

  ECC ram like it's within the price range [TS]

  and what we're saying is like the mac [TS]

  pro is a great example even though it is [TS]

  the high-end machine can Apple make and [TS]

  sell a mac pro at its current price [TS]

  point with better harbor unquestionably [TS]

  same thing for the mini it's not it's [TS]

  not saying that the mac mini has to have [TS]

  the top and hardware is likely the [TS]

  philosophy the Apple itself expresses a [TS]

  lot of times that when they do anything [TS]

  they want to make it the best they can [TS]

  and they're they're in their own [TS]

  statements implied the best we can [TS]

  within the realm of this reason for this [TS]

  price point so when they make a keyboard [TS]

  like we spent a really long time working [TS]

  on his key clicks okc would be really [TS]

  happy and we want to make it there [TS]

  making the best keyboard they can [TS]

  they're not making a keyboard the cost [TS]

  $3,000 like it's not well I bet you [TS]

  could make a better than 3,000 yes they [TS]

  have a target price like what is a [TS]

  reasonable price for a keyboard for you [TS]

  know like that's obvious but it's within [TS]

  the price ranges when you don't even the [TS]

  101 we're just like fine education wants [TS]

  like a macbook an optical drive and a [TS]

  non retina screen it's really rugged or [TS]

  whatever if that's a product fine [TS]

  that's a plus two products not but you [TS]

  still have to say if people are going to [TS]

  buy this computer year after year next [TS]

  year we should have ace ever so slightly [TS]

  better more rugged but more reliable [TS]

  more efficient more pleasing mac with an [TS]

  optical drive and on retina screen for [TS]

  education like just you know you don't [TS]

  have to update them constantly but are [TS]

  you saying you know we don't ever want [TS]

  to invest any more money in this ever [TS]

  again but we will sell year after year [TS]

  after year and that is on Apple I could [TS]

  not the fact that they're they're not [TS]

  making that computer have you know five [TS]

  gigahertz processor and an amazing [TS]

  retin-a p3 screen on it like best [TS]

  makeover saying it's if you're going to [TS]

  sell it at all like ru is a computer [TS]

  proud to sell are you planning to sell [TS]

  that imac with the 5400 RPM drive would [TS]

  you be proud to give this to somebody [TS]

  and say where Apple and we're proud of [TS]

  all our products take this 21 inch imac [TS]

  with the 5400 RPM screen you'll be [TS]

  apologizing every five minutes [TS]

  yeah you know this is not the most [TS]

  maxlite we're sorry like if you feel [TS]

  like you have to apologize to someone [TS]

  like yes I feel that is a tech person [TS]

  when someone buys like the wrong product [TS]

  and your kind of like this is not [TS]

  representative with all these inter like [TS]

  you actually got the worst possible one [TS]

  and its really slow and i know it was [TS]

  also still a lot of money for you that's [TS]

  the other reason is Apple's products are [TS]

  a lot of money relative to their [TS]

  competing products yes there has to be a [TS]

  trade-off for that you have to go as a [TS]

  you know it doesn't have to be a snappy [TS]

  the mac pro but like every year make it [TS]

  a little better you know it would have [TS]

  been a lot of like little references [TS]

  here and there around our community [TS]

  about like how you know you don't really [TS]

  need to defend Apple as hard as you do [TS]

  that Apple can defend themselves they're [TS]

  huge company etc etc and one of the [TS]

  things I keep seeing whenever I mention [TS]

  a 13-8 that basically that i believe [TS]

  that it is both time and it is likely [TS]

  that we will see a 13-inch retina [TS]

  macbook air next week [TS]

  a lot of people say oh you can't do [TS]

  retina in that size because it costs too [TS]

  much [TS]

  no it doesn't look around the entire [TS]

  rest of the computing industry that [TS]

  that's ridiculous look at the ipad [TS]

  probably probably cost more to get those [TS]

  non-retina screens at this point [TS]

  yeah yeah at some point they're gonna [TS]

  stop making enough but that's great that [TS]

  they able to buy them anymore like it [TS]

  look around the industry hardware is [TS]

  shockingly cheap look it is ridiculously [TS]

  cheap look around and a lot of stuff has [TS]

  similar or nicer screens for less money [TS]

  like it can be done it can totally be [TS]

  done it is 2016 is almost 2017 you can [TS]

  have a retina macbook air size screen at [TS]

  thousand dollars [TS]

  and still have a profit margin healthy [TS]

  enough for apple like that is totally [TS]

  possible hardly cheap these days if you [TS]

  wanted to put a 256gb SSD as the base [TS]

  model storage in every single mac that [TS]

  is sold [TS]

  you could totally do it and the effects [TS]

  are margins would probably not be very [TS]

  substantial at all [TS]

  it might it might even be noticeable [TS]

  like it it is totally possible to go all [TS]

  retina all SSD today in the mac lineup [TS]

  it's only up to Apple when they do that [TS]

  and as soon as they can go all retina [TS]

  and all SSD there in their computers [TS]

  will be across the board a solid [TS]

  recommendation a it'll be so much better [TS]

  and they just aren't there yet because [TS]

  they just keep preserving like kind of [TS]

  the Tim Cook wave just keep selling [TS]

  everything forever and no matter how you [TS]

  no matter how old or ancient or crappy [TS]

  it is like if someone still buying it [TS]

  will keep selling it at whatever low [TS]

  price we can get like no that's that's [TS]

  not Apple that is not what Apple has [TS]

  ever stood for that is not what most [TS]

  Apple people like to think Apple stands [TS]

  for and that is not what are what [TS]

  Apple's customers think Apple stands for [TS]

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  however make it easy to find dot-coms [TS]

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  show so obvious follow-up to this one [TS]

  should apple announced in order of [TS]

  priority we all agreed on the number one [TS]

  talking macbook pros talk about larger [TS]

  issues harder question what is the [TS]

  second highest priority think that they [TS]

  should help this event Apple pencil to [TS]

  all my good now it now with an eraser [TS]

  for him seriously I think we all answer [TS]

  that and I think it's the macbook air or [TS]

  if John and I are right the 13-inch [TS]

  macbook whatever whatever skills that [TS]

  slot i think is the second most [TS]

  important [TS]

  yeah I mean and if you can look at like [TS]

  other things that are very likely i [TS]

  think the imac is very likely to get a [TS]

  minute I think cabling is ready for that [TS]

  class of cpu isn't it [TS]

  maybe you think that's important like so [TS]

  are you alright i'm mostly I must agree [TS]

  that it's something in that in that [TS]

  range of products whether it ends up [TS]

  being a macbook or macbook pro 13-inch [TS]

  is the second most important what is the [TS]

  third most important is the imac their [TS]

  most important because I feel like that [TS]

  of all the line of computer they'll get [TS]

  the 5k imac is the one that I have the [TS]

  least problem recommending in terms of [TS]

  max at this point yeah well because the [TS]

  the 5k imac uses a class of cpus that is [TS]

  very regularly updated by Intel is [TS]

  almost always the first one to get [TS]

  certain certain things like this big [TS]

  high-power one there i think i guess [TS]

  they probably easier to make and and so [TS]

  it was the first one the sky lake last [TS]

  last winter and now I desk right now [TS]

  right and then I believe the cable lake [TS]

  version is is basically ready now [TS]

  because they get updated about every [TS]

  fall so the imac will probably get an [TS]

  update with 2d calculate because i [TS]

  believe keep it was a fairly minor [TS]

  update yeah I don't think it's crying [TS]

  out for a cable a cup right do you think [TS]

  like is that of all the problems that [TS]

  are [TS]

  that are with the current five-game [TS]

  actually saying I wish to have something [TS]

  faster cpu well not on my high on my [TS]

  list [TS]

  well but they're the imac is like it's [TS]

  the amicus already plenty fast what I'm [TS]

  guessing it's going to get it already [TS]

  has the wide gamut color from last year [TS]

  so that the screen is already like [TS]

  top-notch i'm guessing it has to convert [TS]

  to us bc and have vulnerable three [TS]

  that's so that's you know that's like [TS]

  the obvious thing like that like you [TS]

  know if Apple ever gets around to making [TS]

  everything breton SSD the next big [TS]

  transition is moving everything over to [TS]

  us bc and Thunderbolt three or [TS]

  everything that can do that we should be [TS]

  most computers not all of them so you [TS]

  know that's i would imagine the imac [TS]

  it's an update that is a moderate cpu [TS]

  increase gpus potentially better who [TS]

  knows [TS]

  and anyway that's the only rumor about [TS]

  the imac is everyone saying new imacs a [TS]

  better gps and if I had to pick one [TS]

  thing we need to do great i don't [TS]

  honestly at this point i would pick [TS]

  faster GPU / USBC for the imac but [TS]

  that's just me [TS]

  well USBC has another interesting thing [TS]

  which is there are also those rumors [TS]

  about the 5k external display and and if [TS]

  the information that we have on that is [TS]

  right for me tipster and which I believe [TS]

  the rumor sites of all corroborated at [TS]

  this point he was telling like six [TS]

  months ago but if the information is [TS]

  right [TS]

  the 5k monitor is very likely to ship [TS]

  this time it is based on wonderful three [TS]

  over us bc plug and that it will only be [TS]

  compatible with macs that have USBC with [TS]

  honorable three on them which is [TS]

  currently none of them and will [TS]

  presumably be everything announced the [TS]

  next week so presumably will be the new [TS]

  macbook pros if the macbook airs knew [TS]

  that thing to and the new imac so all [TS]

  those things should in theory be able to [TS]

  drive this new display and probably no [TS]

  other max including the current mac pro [TS]

  which will be in slightly embarrassing [TS]

  but nobody buys the mac pro anyway so [TS]

  I'm kind of torn on the on the the third [TS]

  priority after the macbook pros in the [TS]

  macbook because I really don't feel like [TS]

  the 5k mckee needs it other than like [TS]

  you said being able to drive the monitor [TS]

  than theory they're announcing by the [TS]

  way maybe you can let that monitors the [TS]

  third item but it's kind of like a tie [TS]

  with me for me with between the imac [TS]

  the mac pro even though nobody buys the [TS]

  mac pro in terms of priority order what [TS]

  they should announce to have a positive [TS]

  2 to make up for the areas where they [TS]

  have problems in areas where problems [TS]

  are they well they're not updated the [TS]

  longest and should is very different [TS]

  than will you I thought we were the [TS]

  other guesses not listed on the should [TS]

  get one should announce in order of [TS]

  priority and I i totally totally safe [TS]

  saying that you know macros that is the [TS]

  highest priority macbook second house [TS]

  party and then mac pro and imac kind of [TS]

  a time because the mac pro is like [TS]

  really that is if they care about pro at [TS]

  all like the mean obviously they can't [TS]

  do this that you skanky bitch can write [TS]

  we know that's why none of us expected [TS]

  Mac Pro will get what they think they're [TS]

  going to do next but if they had made [TS]

  wiser choices had a macbook had a matter [TS]

  of product ready to go with a pre [TS]

  skylake but post whatever the hell has [TS]

  well II think they're using the old ones [TS]

  that wasn't the only reason i remember [TS]

  anymore the old my prose ivy bridge and [TS]

  then and they they missed Haswell and [TS]

  broad well yeah okay [TS]

  anyway um that's what they should do [TS]

  they're not going to but that would I [TS]

  feel like there will be a tie for them [TS]

  again none of us think that the mac mini [TS]

  because the mac mini is not symbolic of [TS]

  any segment that that we think is [TS]

  important it's like if there's the pro [TS]

  segment and then there's the stuff that [TS]

  everybody else buys and the mac mini is [TS]

  like not pro not everybody else weird [TS]

  little thing and honestly it is a shame [TS]

  they don't update it but i think it is [TS]

  at the bottom of their priorities in [TS]

  terms of what they should announce to [TS]

  reassure any community of of purchasers [TS]

  or to make up for past sins or whatever [TS]

  because the mac mini has been on this [TS]

  pay no mind list for its entire life [TS]

  basically and it should just be used to [TS]

  it [TS]

  no i mean like if we're going for what [TS]

  should they announced to convince people [TS]

  who are paying attention that they got [TS]

  their heads in the right place a mac pro [TS]

  is is definitely number three if not [TS]

  even number to it but if we in terms of [TS]

  what they will actually announced i [TS]

  don't i don't think we have a chance of [TS]

  it because as you as you mentioned a few [TS]

  minutes ago basically the mac pro is [TS]

  currently kind of between two [TS]

  generations like if Apple is going to [TS]

  release a mac pro with a certain family [TS]

  of Intel Xeon CPUs usually do it very [TS]

  promptly with that families released to [TS]

  the public [TS]

  and the last Xeon CPUs released back in [TS]

  June that was the broad well Eli so i [TS]

  doubt like if they were going to ship [TS]

  Mac Pro's that use broad well they [TS]

  probably would have already done that so [TS]

  it should have but they didn't write and [TS]

  and the sky lake easy ons and and these [TS]

  these names all lag behind the consumer [TS]

  ships there's good reasons for that but [TS]

  basically skylight is coming to the xeon [TS]

  family allegedly in the first half of [TS]

  2017 so my guess is that we get a [TS]

  skylake mac pro if it is going to exist [TS]

  we get that probably at WTC of next year [TS]

  which will be awesome if it exists [TS]

  because i like on the mac pro is [TS]

  actually a really big upgrade like the [TS]

  skylights xeon chipset this Intel's [TS]

  codenamed pearly chips that has a bunch [TS]

  of big improvements you know what like [TS]

  higher throughput on things more [TS]

  pci-express better memory all sorts of [TS]

  improvements that will be bigger than [TS]

  the average the upgrade so if we're [TS]

  waiting for that like okay it'd be nice [TS]

  if they had one now but that's gonna be [TS]

  an awesome mac pro and eventually comes [TS]

  out you know it's weird because I can't [TS]

  believe I'm going to say this but I [TS]

  think that updating the mac pro is [TS]

  considerably more important than [TS]

  updating the imac the imac yeah isn't [TS]

  that old and I i concur that it's not [TS]

  likely to happen and god I hope it [TS]

  doesn't happen because of you two will [TS]

  go on for 17 episodes but i do think it [TS]

  is important for it to happen it's just [TS]

  unfortunately the timing is all off but [TS]

  it should happen for sure [TS]

  well you had about like the reason I'm [TS]

  doing prior this is you have to balance [TS]

  not just like Oh what is the most likely [TS]

  but it's like there's a there's a [TS]

  balance between the volume of these that [TS]

  you sell how important is this to the [TS]

  entire product line and how far behind [TS]

  is and that's why I think the macbook [TS]

  pros and equities to come first because [TS]

  their volume is just so much more than a [TS]

  crow [TS]

  yeah but at a certain point even at the [TS]

  intestinal volumes of the mac pro cells [TS]

  become symbolic and that's why I feel [TS]

  like it's kind of the number three spot [TS]

  time with the imac with Sam excels way [TS]

  more than the mac pro and you know and [TS]

  it's like it's another words I don't [TS]

  want to say oh you've updated the imac [TS]

  recently you can lead to give that one a [TS]

  year-and-a-half vacation like now don't [TS]

  keep doing what you [TS]

  no that the rate of progress on the imac [TS]

  has been good it's been a 5k mac and [TS]

  then very shortly after a 5k Mike with a [TS]

  better screen and it should be very [TS]

  shortly after that [TS]

  hey five came back with us bc they can [TS]

  drive this new monitor like you know it [TS]

  keep doing that that's what you're [TS]

  supposed to the one back to doing the [TS]

  right thing with so I almost don't want [TS]

  to say oh you don't have to update on [TS]

  that's not important but it isn't the [TS]

  number three slot maybe time but the mac [TS]

  processes like top-four we can just [TS]

  quickly all the pics [TS]

  it's like I think so so how important do [TS]

  you guys think the external 5k display [TS]

  is because i think it's probably a very [TS]

  boring product but i think i think it's [TS]

  actually a really big deal of power [TS]

  users because a lot of power users use [TS]

  MacBook Pros or macbook airs as their [TS]

  primary only computer and they use them [TS]

  at a desk or or you know moving around [TS]

  and so many people i know use MacBook [TS]

  Pros with extra monitors and you can get [TS]

  retina so far if with like various dells [TS]

  and stuff but it it tends to be buggy [TS]

  and limited and generally crappy so this [TS]

  you know i would imagine KC you're [TS]

  probably like first in line for this [TS]

  right [TS]

  well yes and no so I have very strong [TS]

  feelings about this I'm i have to lenovo [TS]

  monitors at work [TS]

  they're probably 22 or 24 inches they're [TS]

  completely unremarkable in every way [TS]

  they I think might be 1080 maybe I again [TS]

  there's someone remarkable I don't even [TS]

  recall what resolution they are i use [TS]

  the two of them side-by-side on a [TS]

  standing desk i leave my macbook pro [TS]

  clamshell when i'm at work [TS]

  this generally speaking is actually [TS]

  fairly nice to have to reasonably large [TS]

  external monitors that are pretty much [TS]

  identical [TS]

  however this becomes a freaking [TS]

  nightmare when I'm doing you I work in [TS]

  the simulator because these screens are [TS]

  not retina which means when I shrink the [TS]

  simulators so that it actually fits on [TS]

  my screen which means I'm shrinking it [TS]

  to you know like fifty percent at the [TS]

  least [TS]

  oftentimes I'll drop things that are on [TS]

  the UI perfect example [TS]

  yeah I constantly drop the dividing line [TS]

  between tableview cells constantly and [TS]

  so I think there's something wrong with [TS]

  my UI oh no it's just these piece of [TS]

  garbage monitors on I'm viewing this on [TS]

  I understand [TS]

  and that i could not clamshell my [TS]

  macbook pro I could set that up and I [TS]

  could do the simulator on there i [TS]

  understand that but I don't want to call [TS]

  me bananas whatever you want to do is [TS]

  just not what I want to do your business [TS]

  internal monitors thanks man i want to [TS]

  use these external monitors so because [TS]

  of this I've been going back and forth [TS]

  our head IT guy trying to figure out [TS]

  okay i really want something that's [TS]

  retina and I don't think that's too much [TS]

  to ask here's why and I think I got him [TS]

  on board for that [TS]

  so what can we do and he said well you [TS]

  know generally speaking I want to get [TS]

  you a cinema display your Thunderbolt [TS]

  Display no no I don't want that I don't [TS]

  want that nobody thought that yet you [TS]

  don't get he said you know you don't [TS]

  want that he knew they'd been [TS]

  discontinued cetera but even then even [TS]

  if they were just continue their not [TS]

  right now so it doesn't help me so I [TS]

  told him after having surveyed [TS]

  twitter-like 16 different times i told [TS]

  him i would like a particular del 4k [TS]

  monitor and we will put a link in the [TS]

  show notes because i don't recall the [TS]

  exact model name offhand and it's like a [TS]

  22 or 24 inch 4k monitor they also have [TS]

  a 27-inch 5k monitor which is [TS]

  effectively an imac but it also has the [TS]

  price tag of climax i think the 5k was [TS]

  like fifteen hundred dollars [TS]

  yeah so the 4k one is about four hundred [TS]

  give or take a little bit on amazon and [TS]

  I Solomon in the chat said p24 15q and [TS]

  I'm pretty darn sure that's right so [TS]

  anyway it'll be insurance so we ordered [TS]

  one and it came in and i took my 21 / [TS]

  monitors off my desk I put my fancy [TS]

  shiny new dell and ideas he told the [TS]

  story last week did i okay i can recall [TS]

  if I had or not and it was DOA so we [TS]

  have a 27 inch LG 4k monitor that and I [TS]

  was like it but it's the wrong size so [TS]

  on the way but not here yet is a 24-inch [TS]

  equivalent LG monitor and I've been [TS]

  going back and forth with our IT guy for [TS]

  like two months trying to figure out [TS]

  what monitored by what price point we [TS]

  can hit etc etc etc I don't necessarily [TS]

  know that this phantom new retina 5k [TS]

  external display I sincerely doubt that [TS]

  it will be a price point that my company [TS]

  will be willing to pay me [TS]

  drive it from your Mac anyway so he and [TS]

  I can I wouldn't be able to drive from [TS]

  my mac anyways you're absolutely right [TS]

  but let's leave that aside just for a [TS]

  moment i'm assuming it'll still be a [TS]

  thousand dollars just like the [TS]

  Thunderbolt Display was report before [TS]

  got retired may be higher if not yet to [TS]

  your point if not more [TS]

  I mean a thousand dollars for an apple [TS]

  5k display today would actually be a [TS]

  really competitive deal [TS]

  sure but it but it's way more than you [TS]

  if you're starting from the position of [TS]

  probably a 220 fifty-dollar lenovo [TS]

  monitor it's already a big deal for me [TS]

  to be asking for 350 dollar dollar LG [TS]

  monitor and now we're talking about a [TS]

  thousand or $1,500 apple monitor on the [TS]

  one side it would be an easy sell [TS]

  because its first party on the other [TS]

  side there's no freaking way they're [TS]

  gonna spend that kind of money on me so [TS]

  you're right Marco that I would be first [TS]

  in line for it in the sense that I would [TS]

  want it more than anything in the world [TS]

  but i don't think my company would pay [TS]

  for it i don't think i would want to pay [TS]

  for it for a work computer and either [TS]

  way I think this is all kind of moved [TS]

  because John is exactly right [TS]

  it's unlikely that my existing [TS]

  effectively brand new macbook pro would [TS]

  be able to drive it anyway so in summary [TS]

  Casey said so I mean this is obviously [TS]

  like you know in a perfect world you [TS]

  would get a brand-new computer you know [TS]

  in a few months or whatever that has all [TS]

  the stuff right obviously that's [TS]

  probably gonna happen [TS]

  second second option here because you [TS]

  know I if you need any ammo with it [TS]

  sound like you don't believe me mo with [TS]

  ID you can tell them that that Marco [TS]

  Arment noted apple or authority and [TS]

  whatever says that like seriously if you [TS]

  are doing iOS development on a Mac it [TS]

  must be retina like period you have to [TS]

  like it because it is everything you [TS]

  mentioned like every iOS device that [TS]

  runs iOS 10 is retina so if you're doing [TS]

  iOS development you are running your [TS]

  software on reading devices and the [TS]

  simulator does not run correctly in an [TS]

  accurate way on non-retina screens [TS]

  unless you like blow it up and then it [TS]

  looks but they even wrong for different [TS]

  reasons like to to responsibly develop [TS]

  for iOS if you have any budget at all [TS]

  and if you're working for an employer [TS]

  what you cost them every month is way [TS]

  more than then like computer equipment [TS]

  so you know it's understandable if [TS]

  you're like hobbyist [TS]

  you only have an old Mac finds one thing [TS]

  but if you like working in an office for [TS]

  like a professional company in the [TS]

  united states that that makes iOS and [TS]

  your job is to make iOS software you [TS]

  need to be using a Retina screen and [TS]

  preferably the largest one that you can [TS]

  possibly find because that is just ate [TS]

  that is the practical reality of [TS]

  developing iOS applications that is what [TS]

  they need [TS]

  it's it [TS]

  it's it [TS]

  simple as that so you might want to [TS]

  consider all this is probably not going [TS]

  to happen you're probably gonna tell me [TS]

  immediately know in the meantime if you [TS]

  can't get them to spring for a brand-new [TS]

  computer and a brand-new 5k monitor next [TS]

  year or next month or next week [TS]

  what about switching to a 5k i'm at work [TS]

  is that an option and like that costs a [TS]

  lot more than 350 Delano heart whatever [TS]

  monitor that was energy monitor yeah the [TS]

  LG monitors understand fifty dollars and [TS]

  even my parents not [TS]

  yeah and even two of them is cheaper [TS]

  than one imac and and it's funny because [TS]

  from time to time i work from home and [TS]

  as long as I'm hitting our production [TS]

  servers you know I'm not do i'm not [TS]

  doing any work that requires our QA or [TS]

  development servers [TS]

  I don't need to be on our VPN and and i [TS]

  will do work from home and it on my on [TS]

  my imac and it is amazing it is so much [TS]

  nicer than doing work at work see the [TS]

  survival [TS]

  well right now it is it really is and [TS]

  and in that sense you're absolutely [TS]

  right but for better or worse right [TS]

  wrong or indifferent i prefer to have a [TS]

  laptop so that if i want to work from [TS]

  home and I need to get on the VPN or I [TS]

  need to have something that for some [TS]

  crazy reason is only on my work laptop [TS]

  I'd prefer to have a laptop which means [TS]

  i think my future setup will be either [TS]

  one or two of these LG monitors I think [TS]

  all told i'm gonna be really happy with [TS]

  it but the initial reply from my IT guy [TS]

  was will throw away one of your when / [TS]

  monitors and use your laptop and shut up [TS]

  which truth be told is not reasonable [TS]

  answer that is also an option [TS]

  yeah but but i like having the two [TS]

  identical screens and so that's why I'm [TS]

  avoiding that I think in the future i [TS]

  will i will probably end up doing one of [TS]

  these for case and then bite the bullet [TS]

  in one clam shell my my macbook pro or [TS]

  in a more perfect world two of the 4k [TS]

  displays and the interval in the most [TS]

  perfect a perfect worlds somehow we the [TS]

  company falls upon even more money and [TS]

  they get me one of these phantom you [TS]

  displays with one of the Phantom new max [TS]

  but given that my max on a two-year [TS]

  lease and i've only been there like [TS]

  seven or eight months that's probably [TS]

  not going to have [TS]

  and what about to macbook pro side by [TS]

  side he knows that you have your two [TS]

  side-by-side monitors the exact same [TS]

  size they're both retina and your [TS]

  company seems to be totally okay by [TS]

  microprose yeah if only were that evil [TS]

  policing macbook pros and if only use me [TS]

  with that easy because i don't know i [TS]

  mean i hear you so that since yeah this [TS]

  is a very long way to say Hecky I'd love [TS]

  to have one of these phantom you know [TS]

  the USBC 5k displays but I don't foresee [TS]

  one being in my future unless i funded [TS]

  and even then it won't be for two years [TS]

  because my mac my work Mac won't support [TS]

  it kinda like the mac mini apple has [TS]

  conditioned us all over many years not [TS]

  just a thunderbolt display not to expect [TS]

  apple to update its monitors in any [TS]

  reasonable time frame so that's why I [TS]

  think despite the fact that i really [TS]

  want to 5k display to connect to a [TS]

  hypothetical mac pro in the future it [TS]

  does its blows other items terms of what [TS]

  they should do it because Apple sister [TS]

  with matters just abysmal likely want [TS]

  the literature is an amazing monitor and [TS]

  just let sit there for years and then [TS]

  introduce another amazing monitor and [TS]

  let it sit there for years and then [TS]

  apparently now discontinued it and then [TS]

  I fully expect if they continue to make [TS]

  monitors at all [TS]

  they will eventually announced another [TS]

  amazing monitor and then let it sit [TS]

  there for years so the trick is by it [TS]

  around the time they announced it was [TS]

  still amazing don't buy it at the end of [TS]

  its I'm teen year life cycle so I'm [TS]

  trying not to get my hopes up about it [TS]

  being announced I won't be disappointed [TS]

  if it's not announced but either way I [TS]

  don't think it's in their priority list [TS]

  doesn't come before any other things [TS]

  that we've discussed so far in terms of [TS]

  that they have to do this to either [TS]

  because they're going to sell a lot of [TS]

  them which they're not a thousand-dollar [TS]

  monitor or that they need to reassure [TS]

  people which they don't because like the [TS]

  mac mini world is used to the fact that [TS]

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  carry on like always going to be a big [TS]

  USB battery it does not make it [TS]

  everything is a very light thing and she [TS]

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  anything that like is expected a rumored [TS]

  you know I hear there's a hub that's [TS]

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  of the wild-card could be something [TS]

  about the max that we're not talking [TS]

  about like we don't that we haven't [TS]

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  like that doesn't count we've all seen [TS]

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  mean I guess that's adorable a wild card [TS]

  yet but yeah i like is that I don't know [TS]

  that it's true that we haven't been [TS]

  talking about that mostly because it's [TS]

  not that interesting is a million [TS]

  third-party things you can plug into [TS]

  your max and i will continue to me but I [TS]

  maybe that counts I don't know [TS]

  so here's a question do I mean you know [TS]

  more on the macbook pros because there [TS]

  are there are still a few big things we [TS]

  don't know about them and a lot of [TS]

  people keep asking about do you think [TS]

  they will have lightning ports for [TS]

  headphones [TS]

  my guess is no because I I think [TS]

  lightning port are going to stay iOS [TS]

  device only for plenty of various like [TS]

  you know platform chip reasons in all [TS]

  likelihood but they have touch ID on [TS]

  their hold on before before we answer [TS]

  ok let's assume they do not have [TS]

  lightning ports for headphones Marco [TS]

  would you say then that they have a [TS]

  headphone jack at all or its crew you [TS]

  it's Bluetooth nothing I suspect they [TS]

  will still have a headphone jack or a [TS]

  lightning port and honestly I think the [TS]

  more likely answer is they're still [TS]

  gonna have a headphone port but but I i [TS]

  think they're gonna have one of the [TS]

  others are going to have nothing and I [TS]

  think they will still have a plan all [TS]

  the headphone port [TS]

  mostly though because I would imagine / [TS]

  hope that these macs hardware was [TS]

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  to think about the idea of the Intel [TS]

  delays with this guy like everything [TS]

  like that that you know that I think the [TS]

  slot headquarters now second question is [TS]

  what do you think they should have [TS]

  would you like a macbook of any kind [TS]

  that did not have a plain old headphone [TS]

  jack but instead he there a lightning [TS]

  jack or nothing because that's something [TS]

  that would be attractive to you anyway [TS]

  we just see is damaged basically i mean [TS]

  i'm always on Bluetooth locations i [TS]

  always vary from time to time if I have [TS]

  forgotten to charge my headphones and [TS]

  forever which occasionally happens but [TS]

  it's very very rare i would plug in my [TS]

  old earbuds or in in potentially my [TS]

  lightning earbuds to the mac but for me [TS]

  it would not bother me if there was no [TS]

  audiojack of any kind and I was [TS]

  bluetooth or nothing to me like if I'm [TS]

  using my macbook for some kind of audio [TS]

  output one of the things i would do most [TS]

  often there is podcast editing while [TS]

  traveling and so I can't take any [TS]

  latency or and podcast recording is also [TS]

  we also be a big thing so I mean no that [TS]

  wouldn't use the built-in headphone jack [TS]

  anyway basically latency is is a big [TS]

  deal killer for me on that so [TS]

  bluetooth would be a very hard sell so [TS]

  if there's any kind of if you're using [TS]

  headphones on a mac laptop most of the [TS]

  time going to want them to be wired and [TS]

  see if they're going to be wired anyway [TS]

  they might as well either be the same [TS]

  lightning headphones that I can [TS]

  presumably use with my iphone if I ever [TS]

  make that switch with a guy probably [TS]

  will eventually or everywhere headphone [TS]

  jack [TS]

  I think I'm pretty much on board with [TS]

  the idea of in the future [TS]

  replacing the headphone jack with [TS]

  lighting jack on max I'm not so that's [TS]

  always saying apples going to do it but [TS]

  i would be mostly okay with that [TS]

  I just think that that is lag behind the [TS]

  conversion of the iOS ecosystem because [TS]

  it's gonna be just have the iphone 7 vs [TS]

  the first device to do this [TS]

  give it a few years see if the headphone [TS]

  situation shakes itself out if it [TS]

  doesn't it looks like it's safe and and [TS]

  you have lots and lots of people with [TS]

  lightning headphones or with those [TS]

  little 9l adapters or whatever it's like [TS]

  then okay all clear you can replace the [TS]

  headphone jack on the rocks and the only [TS]

  reason you'd be replacing it is [TS]

  basically uniformity and you know I mean [TS]

  it's not like you're trying to shape [TS]

  those little pieces that little bits of [TS]

  a size out of the inside of your macbook [TS]

  system it's not as constrained as is on [TS]

  a phone on but the uniformity would be [TS]

  nice and i think once they start adding [TS]

  touch ID and stuff to max you start [TS]

  incorporating chips and other [TS]

  technologies from iOS devices into max [TS]

  for that purpose it's not too far to go [TS]

  from there to lightning and I think you [TS]

  can do potentially interesting things [TS]

  with the lighting ports it's and it was [TS]

  weird like you get us bc when I sliding [TS]

  in their similar sizes and we talked [TS]

  about this way back in the day about [TS]

  like I want to be confusing to have to [TS]

  and i'll put them in the wrong slots and [TS]

  stuff I felt existing medical problems [TS]

  but in the short term I would prefer if [TS]

  the max announce on the twenty-seventh [TS]

  have a plain old headphone jack and i [TS]

  would not like a magnet has neither of [TS]

  those things and [TS]

  yeah i mean i don't think would bother [TS]

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  bother me that I that occurred to me [TS]

  when you were talking is I don't have [TS]

  noise canceling or noise-isolating [TS]

  headphones that are bluetooth so on a [TS]

  plane when I want to listen to you know [TS]

  my ultimate ears that are in years that [TS]

  are better noise isolating their as [TS]

  traditional wired headphones or ear buds [TS]

  whatever and that would really annoy me [TS]

  because typically i'll use either my [TS]

  ipad or my mac on a long flight and so [TS]

  that really bums me out unless I could [TS]

  do the Lightning to you know original [TS]

  headphone dance and home [TS]

  well and you know and apples apples [TS]

  response to that kind of thing usually [TS]

  like if the if if they moved to a new [TS]

  thing or the deletion of an old [TS]

  technology like a port if it results in [TS]

  people having to just buy new X in this [TS]

  case you buy new headphones and this [TS]

  problem goes away if it can be solved [TS]

  that way apple doesn't care what you say [TS]

  okay we'll find my new headphones you [TS]

  you will eventually buy new headphones [TS]

  so when that happens you'll be okay [TS]

  maybe we'll get you to buy them sooner [TS]

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  what they want to make this movie you [TS]

  know so that you know that does add up [TS]

  in that money matters to most people who [TS]

  are buying it but apple doesn't care but [TS]

  the problem comes when there is nothing [TS]

  better to move to or if if the if the [TS]

  things that they're telling you well [TS]

  this problem goes away if you just [TS]

  switch to X or you just stop needing why [TS]

  you know sometimes the result of what [TS]

  you use instead they just don't have a [TS]

  good answer for that or the or the [TS]

  answer is it has a lot of other [TS]

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  an idea for a wild card that I've far as [TS]

  a member though I haven't been paying [TS]

  that much attention to it and this is a [TS]

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  a waterproof laptop accent oh yeah haha [TS]

  not like i don't know i think it's like [TS]

  as we know we've got the phone that is [TS]

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  a feature that should be rolled out [TS]

  across the entire product line [TS]

  I it's no reason to not put it on iPads [TS]

  and everything else because it's kind of [TS]

  weird to have this very expensive device [TS]

  that you that becomes important to your [TS]

  life that you bring them with you that [TS]

  if you get like a little splash of water [TS]

  are potentially in the wrong spot [TS]

  it's dead and it's dead in a really bad [TS]

  way and that like this special [TS]

  provisions in the various warranties [TS]

  that Apple does like its treated [TS]

  differently it's so you know it i don't [TS]

  like that i like feeling a little bit [TS]

  more confident and laptops you know [TS]

  people still things in a multi now can [TS]

  you make it as waterproof is the phone [TS]

  probably not because of the keyboard and [TS]

  all that stuff whatever but how about a [TS]

  more water resistant version of a laptop [TS]

  lots of the you know pc makers make [TS]

  laptops that are better about dealing [TS]

  with water than any of apples i think [TS]

  apple can improve in this area and that [TS]

  would be an interesting place to go [TS]

  I think it's an attractive feature for [TS]

  people i think a lot of people have [TS]

  spilled liquid into the laptops and you [TS]

  don't have to sell it as like a you can [TS]

  use your laptop under water in the pool [TS]

  just maybe like be more resilient to [TS]

  splashes that's all I'm saying [TS]

  I feel like they could do that and it [TS]

  would be a benefit and everybody would [TS]

  see it and if they rolled that across [TS]

  their entire product line eventually we [TS]

  take for granted and wouldn't be able to [TS]

  go back to the days where the tiniest [TS]

  splashing fryer whole computer [TS]

  oh if only has that it that's it that's [TS]

  a tough challenge I think because like [TS]

  if you think about the the physical [TS]

  attributes and needs of a laptop like [TS]

  you know with either one of the most [TS]

  common water problems they have is askew [TS]

  knows because people often have drinks [TS]

  on the table next to a laptop this is [TS]

  you know in coffee shops on death like [TS]

  all the time people have this and so if [TS]

  that drink goes over it's basically [TS]

  going to pour directly into the middle [TS]

  of the pack up where the laptop is [TS]

  covered in a giant great of holes for [TS]

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  it'll go into the speakers or events [TS]

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  have a way smaller bigger you got [TS]

  speakers you got ports and the keyboard [TS]

  you can put in a big bathtub [TS]

  you have a way smaller number of entry [TS]

  points on a phone and it's just a much [TS]

  simpler shape there's there are fewer [TS]

  holes there you don't have air cooling [TS]

  of like the internals having a fan [TS]

  constantly sucking air through events [TS]

  don't have that on the macbook either [TS]

  cuz i'm thinking you start with the [TS]

  macbook yeah you you don't try to keep [TS]

  water in the keyboard because it's [TS]

  impossible [TS]

  instead you just make the keyboard a [TS]

  sealed-off region where you can spill [TS]

  water in there and then you pour the [TS]

  water out of there like that in other [TS]

  words water that goes in through the [TS]

  keyboard does not go to the rest of the [TS]

  computer speakers same deal you know [TS]

  just like on The Watcher anything else [TS]

  on the phone yes there are speakers [TS]

  yes you will get water in them and screw [TS]

  them up as always you can get the water [TS]

  out and it doesn't destroy the entire [TS]

  computer and again start with the [TS]

  macbook no fan because that's obviously [TS]

  the hardest one because you can all the [TS]

  other things you can deal with but fans [TS]

  having like air cooling and waterproof [TS]

  really don't mix with each other in any [TS]

  same way but I feel like this is an area [TS]

  where they could be improved even if you [TS]

  just did the keyboard part of it like [TS]

  the keyboard and speaker part but still [TS]

  if you got water in the air vents are [TS]

  still screwed right because you're right [TS]

  that people spill it on the top of the [TS]

  things so this is a this is a feature [TS]

  that Apple should roll out eventually [TS]

  you know across all its entire product [TS]

  line [TS]

  I it probably not gonna come this year [TS]

  earlier we would have heard rumors of it [TS]

  and if there were rumors i miss them but [TS]

  i think that's a that's a fun wild card [TS]

  well and by the way you know for [TS]

  whatever it's worth the work where are [TS]

  we are about to have in all you know by [TS]

  all measures were about to have at least [TS]

  two new macs announced in a week and [TS]

  probably three or more and we have seen [TS]

  almost no parts leaks we like we we know [TS]

  roughly there was like that one case in [TS]

  the top case here with a place where the [TS]

  little strip but we saw 1 13 inch top [TS]

  case and that was once ago and that's it [TS]

  we don't know anything about the 15-inch [TS]

  we don't know anything about the [TS]

  possible air if that wasn't it like we [TS]

  don't know anything about these [TS]

  computers except for like you know some [TS]

  of the future bullet points which i [TS]

  think is kind of exciting i love not [TS]

  knowing like all the details of how [TS]

  they're gonna look and what kind of you [TS]

  know what is that they're gonna have [TS]

  like and what colors that come in or [TS]

  whatever yeah well its people don't care [TS]

  because the sounds of it like that is [TS]

  the lower volume like it's easier to [TS]

  keep a secret when you settle over [TS]

  human is easier to keep it secret and [TS]

  been only weird McNamara's care about [TS]

  this stuff so i must be refreshing [TS]

  grapple you know it's funny [TS]

  John you just something about colors and [TS]

  I'd like to go back like half an hour in [TS]

  the conversation wildcard colors like [TS]

  having once been returned [TS]

  oh has it ok well one epic one has [TS]

  colors so you know what yeah i agree but [TS]

  i'm saying that the whole line or more [TS]

  of the one jet black [TS]

  oh god I i don't know i don't think i [TS]

  want your black with a matte black know [TS]

  em well here's here's one thing i [TS]

  thought of two like if again this is [TS]

  probably overthinking it but if you look [TS]

  at the invitation the colors in that [TS]

  logo are very close to the metal colors [TS]

  that macbook or that Apple's recent [TS]

  hardware is available in with the [TS]

  exception of that orange but if you look [TS]

  at like you know there's they have that [TS]

  little tip silver little gold pink and [TS]

  black and red and orange shadow has a [TS]

  strategy that's why it's Emmy it is a [TS]

  stretch but you know there's certainly [TS]

  something I i would expect that there [TS]

  are probably going to be the metal you [TS]

  at least the same colors the macbook one [TS]

  is in which is basically all them accept [TS]

  the rose gold right there is there to [TS]

  make a romantic one finally or no I [TS]

  thought they did [TS]

  maybe this year they did that's the [TS]

  thing the thing with those colors is [TS]

  it's all basically silver aluminum with [TS]

  a 10-2 that is so gentle that depending [TS]

  on the lighting in the room they change [TS]

  appearance like it's like those cars [TS]

  that are great but look very you know [TS]

  have some color like that [TS]

  the colors are not particularly bolt [TS]

  whereas i would say matt black as bold [TS]

  and obviously jet-black his bold i don't [TS]

  really don't think they're gonna get [TS]

  black mac but they could totally make a [TS]

  matte black one and i would love it i [TS]

  just haven't seen a rumor i would i [TS]

  would love to sit because honestly like [TS]

  the the space grey macbook one I don't [TS]

  think it like I think it would look a [TS]

  lot better if it was darker basically [TS]

  like it looks it looks fine but like if [TS]

  I if I were getting a macbook one today [TS]

  I actually wouldn't necessarily get [TS]

  space great just because like it's not i [TS]

  don't know it's kind of like kind of a [TS]

  middle color you know like I wish to be [TS]

  a little bit more towards one or the [TS]

  other [TS]

  yeah I agree all right anything else on [TS]

  the event I i know that there's another [TS]

  thing that just got rumor today that we [TS]

  can talk about but [TS]

  anything else about the event [TS]

  specifically i think it's related event [TS]

  this the next room or thing because the [TS]

  the rumor the story that was circulating [TS]

  today was about a keyboard that wasn't [TS]

  just like a regular keyboard with a new [TS]

  strip on top of it that is a screen of [TS]

  some kind of replacing the function keys [TS]

  but rather that every key on the [TS]

  keyboard would be kind of like a [TS]

  miniature ink display and be changeable [TS]

  the castle changeable whatever and it's [TS]

  weird to see this type of story breaking [TS]

  like shortly before an event when Max [TS]

  will be announced but i think we all [TS]

  pretty much agree and even these stories [TS]

  agree even if this whole thing about the [TS]

  e & keyboards is true it's not for this [TS]

  event right we have seemed consistent it [TS]

  seemed kind of odd to me like the idea [TS]

  in general which is have the entire [TS]

  keyboard every key be its own ink [TS]

  display so it can change you know what [TS]

  key does what as you change mode so say [TS]

  perhaps if you hold the command key [TS]

  maybe you could see like some texts [TS]

  describing what each of those peas [TS]

  doesn't hold command option in the text [TS]

  changes to show what each of these [TS]

  hockey's to do or maybe emoji come up on [TS]

  the key physical keyboard like of itself [TS]

  I don't think that's unreasonable idea [TS]

  but it seemed odd to me that it sounded [TS]

  like Apple was going to a foxconn like [TS]

  subsidiary or something like that in [TS]

  order to get this [TS]

  it seemed to me more like Apple would [TS]

  just buy this company or or something on [TS]

  those lines if they really were [TS]

  interested in doing this sort of thing [TS]

  and it was also an odd time for this [TS]

  rumor to leak like like you said so I I [TS]

  don't put a whole lot of credence into [TS]

  this even though the idea in of itself i [TS]

  think sounds kind of cool i definitely a [TS]

  story like this where a particular [TS]

  company is mentioned especially business [TS]

  startup like this was like an Australian [TS]

  startup is Apple's teaming up with them [TS]

  too but like it's easy to read these [TS]

  stories as intentional League [TS]

  fabrication PR by someone who is [TS]

  interested in seeing this startups [TS]

  prospects being boosted like guess what [TS]

  Apple's secretly working with this [TS]

  startup on the next generation of Bob [TS]

  like who knows what the actual tears was [TS]

  like [TS]

  don't want to see an individual [TS]

  companies name in my rumors because then [TS]

  I start thinking this entire story is a [TS]

  plant to boost the IPO or stock price [TS]

  her or whatever this company right and [TS]

  so that makes me suspicious of this and [TS]

  timing is well like if you're not saying [TS]

  this is going to be announcing the 27 [TS]

  like save it until after if you it's [TS]

  like even if you had this story and [TS]

  you're like 925 mac or something you [TS]

  would save it until after because [TS]

  everyone right now should be talking [TS]

  about the root of the increasingly [TS]

  accurate remembers it was gonna be [TS]

  announced that 27 not [TS]

  Oh guess what that you know the next [TS]

  Apple act up after the ones that haven't [TS]

  been announced yet they're gonna have a [TS]

  totally reconfigurable screen so i think [TS]

  this is a not a great story [TS]

  I don't expect to see working for [TS]

  reconfigurable a key caps on the [TS]

  twenty-seventh and I'm not entirely [TS]

  convinced it's a great idea even I just [TS]

  think about emoji it's like Angus [TS]

  creddie think Smith is slow needs to be [TS]

  refreshed you can't use it like the key [TS]

  caps control panel on the old Max where [TS]

  you hold down the shift key and all the [TS]

  kids are all the key caps on the [TS]

  keyboard change the Capitals it's just [TS]

  too slow and clunky for that you have to [TS]

  constantly clearing out the the credit [TS]

  little pixels or little balls that [TS]

  haven't turned over and it's just it's [TS]

  just not particularly apple i can we [TS]

  talk about it for the little strip on [TS]

  top and the idea would be that doesn't [TS]

  change that frequently and that it can [TS]

  be reconfigurable super low power but [TS]

  all the rumors have been pointing [TS]

  towards that being a color screen and [TS]

  when you mentioned emoji who wants to [TS]

  see black and white emoji caps you want [TS]

  to see a little yellow smiley face it's [TS]

  true actually I didn't even think about [TS]

  that that's a really good point so I'm [TS]

  not putting much in this although I do [TS]

  kind of like the idea of an infinitely [TS]

  reconfigurable keyboard but I still feel [TS]

  like that's going to come by apple [TS]

  finally getting the guts the courage to [TS]

  get rid of all the moving Keys and just [TS]

  make a giant oled think oh please don't [TS]

  even suggest that [TS]

  oh you live to see it just wait i'll [TS]

  agree that the first keyboard i can't [TS]

  use at all that would be wonderful [TS]

  you know Microsoft this is discontinued [TS]

  your keyboard to don't know what I know [TS]

  well they're they're at their service [TS]

  event that it's like two days before [TS]

  this there they're gonna announce a new [TS]

  ergonomic bluetooth keyboard that's [TS]

  going to be surface branded I'm just [TS]

  hoping it's good service branded what [TS]

  about it is surfaces and screens on it [TS]

  know that they're making basically like [TS]

  a their own imac and they're calling it [TS]

  surface [TS]

  thinking of others it's going to be in [TS]

  the service family just by branding and [TS]

  so and they're making a whole new line [TS]

  of service branded keyboards and I think [TS]

  maybe mice also and one of them is a is [TS]

  an ergonomic bluetooth keyboard that is [TS]

  apparently going to replace my beloved [TS]

  sculpt ergonomic keyboard using wire [TS]

  though right [TS]

  no it's wireless but it has its own [TS]

  little custom dongle that kind of sucks [TS]

  it's not nearly as good as well as the [TS]

  logitech ones surface bring that I'm [TS]

  actually be able to touch the screen and [TS]

  not quite sure how far they can stretch [TS]

  the surface thing i want is the surface [TS]

  that you're talking about because it's [TS]

  not a tablet is not a touchscreen and I [TS]

  mean if it's been enough like that make [TS]

  if you touched a lot of sex not you like [TS]

  it over like that it seems like a [TS]

  terrible idea was like will be actually [TS]

  a touchscreen you know because they [TS]

  can't touch me there when they're their [TS]

  OS supports them [TS]

  yeah it's probably just like branding is [TS]

  probably going to be a regular computer [TS]

  anyway i hope they release that soon [TS]

  because i want to buy a keyboard and [TS]

  hopefully you can buy the keyboard [TS]

  separately make earlier than the rather [TS]

  than later but we'll see their mics was [TS]

  pretty good i usually use it's probably [TS]

  available anyway we done [TS]

  yeah I think so alright thanks to our [TS]

  three sponsors this week [TS]

  hover automatic and away and we will see [TS]

  you next week [TS]

  now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

  mean to be in because it was accidental [TS]

  it was accidental John any racer Margo [TS]

  in kc wouldn't let him because it was [TS]

  accidental was accidental and you can [TS]

  find the show know today [TS]

  DP m and if twitter follow them [TS]

  yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

  co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our c.c [TS]

  recuse is [TS]

  alright so we have lots of options for [TS]

  the post-show here we could talk about [TS]

  Tesla you talk about project titan we [TS]

  can talk about time is a show topic or [TS]

  save that for ya [TS]

  yes here to show especially since don't [TS]

  seem to be going anywhere when you talk [TS]

  about the debate when you talk about my [TS]

  camera stuff i actually didn't want to [TS]

  throw in one quick thing about the [TS]

  camera stuff while we have while we're [TS]

  talking about the mac laptops I've [TS]

  mentioned in the past that I I pretty [TS]

  much always go 15 inch and and i usually [TS]

  don't regret that choice and I I i have [TS]

  often or greater when I've gone smaller [TS]

  i am considering whatever the new [TS]

  13-inch air ends up being this time [TS]

  around because one thing I noticed when [TS]

  i got when i started using this new [TS]

  canon camera that mentioned last week so [TS]

  my my sony camera that i might be [TS]

  replacing or at least you know using [TS]

  less is 42 megapixels and I shoot raw so [TS]

  I can you know for lots of good reasons [TS]

  and and so processing 42 megapixel raw [TS]

  files just crushes computers like it [TS]

  it's there so bad that is so slow [TS]

  processing those files even doing simple [TS]

  things like just rendering a a preview [TS]

  is a very sluggish operation and this is [TS]

  true between both lightroom and apple [TS]

  photos so it isn't just like a lightroom [TS]

  problem by comparison so that's 42 [TS]

  megapixels the cannon is 30 which is [TS]

  still a very high resolution picture but [TS]

  for whatever reason I assume it's [TS]

  because many image processing operations [TS]

  are not linear in complexity that [TS]

  probably like you know exponential or at [TS]

  least you know worse than linear because [TS]

  they have to operate on like pixels that [TS]

  are around other pixels and everything [TS]

  so if for whatever reason processing of [TS]

  a 13-megapixel picture is not only [TS]

  faster than a 42 megapixel picture but [TS]

  faster by more than you'd expect by the [TS]

  you know thirty-three percent fewer [TS]

  pixels like it's more than that much [TS]

  faster [TS]

  it's a lot faster maybe they can and the [TS]

  drivers for the 5dr just better optimize [TS]

  don't mean like that whatever the the [TS]

  camera raw blah blah thing that knows [TS]

  like we have the sensors are all data [TS]

  here's how i should interpret it [TS]

  I can imagine that being very mature for [TS]

  the 5d assuming that doesn't change from [TS]

  the mark three to the mark [TS]

  override on off the cameras and other [TS]

  changes that means for any more than it [TS]

  does have this weird to pick something [TS]

  about her that enabled it's basically a [TS]

  i would imagine you know it adobe [TS]

  probably optimizes as much as possible [TS]

  for canon SLR especially for the big [TS]

  ones because like everything about like [TS]

  who is using lightroom and making one of [TS]

  the most popular cameras using adobe [TS]

  lightroom I guarantee you the canon 5d [TS]

  series is going to be pretty high on [TS]

  that list like it's it's any cannon [TS]

  general is going to be very high on that [TS]

  list so you're probably right to some [TS]

  degree however i do still think that [TS]

  many common image processing operations [TS]

  are worse than linear in in time [TS]

  complexity as the number of pixels grows [TS]

  but anyway so because of that because of [TS]

  this being like way way faster process [TS]

  images i actually might be able to step [TS]

  down reasonably to the 13-inch so i [TS]

  actually might try that this cycle [TS]

  I don't know what about xcode was the [TS]

  whole reason like oh and i'm on vacation [TS]

  i need to do some work stuff i hate not [TS]

  having the tiny screen when i try to [TS]

  fire Xcode and stuff it's mostly that i [TS]

  like basically i hardly ever actually do [TS]

  that with my laptop like and I also I I [TS]

  thought for a while I i thought that [TS]

  that I could bring only my new 9.7 inch [TS]

  iPad pro on trips for I was not going to [TS]

  get any work done and figuring that like [TS]

  worst-case scenario let's say I have [TS]

  some major server problems and need to [TS]

  do a whole bunch of like logging into [TS]

  servers changing stuff resetting stuff [TS]

  we're setting up newspapers whatever it [TS]

  is i need terminals for that and on the [TS]

  ipad there is a wonderful i panicked [TS]

  called prompt which is a pretty good [TS]

  terminal app and so I thought for a [TS]

  while like oh this will be wonderful i [TS]

  can just bring this on a trip and if the [TS]

  unthinkable happens i need to watch the [TS]

  server work i really i can just use [TS]

  prompt i can log into my servers there [TS]

  with with my little external smart [TS]

  keyboard from from the ipad it'll be [TS]

  fine [TS]

  this week actually do that because this [TS]

  past week i did i had to upgrade all my [TS]

  ssh keys from the old DSA format to the [TS]

  less old our essay format [TS]

  and you know increase everything because [TS]

  basically Sierra does not allow you to [TS]

  log into that modification doesn't want [TS]

  to login with the SATs and yes there's [TS]

  some various things you could try it is [TS]

  like configuration options you can you [TS]

  can do to fix that but I couldn't find [TS]

  any of them at the moment are let me [TS]

  just go to my iPad because I know I know [TS]

  prompt can still log in with his old [TS]

  keys and had already had my key honest [TS]

  that greatly perfect i'll use promise [TS]

  i'll log into my old server then I'll [TS]

  add my new keys to it and it was great i [TS]

  got to do wonderful things like use the [TS]

  new shared clipboard feature so I could [TS]

  like copy my keys on my mac and then [TS]

  paste them into prompt and you know into [TS]

  a server window add to the authorized [TS]

  keys file so wonderful things there was [TS]

  it was wonderful [TS]

  however I learned during that process [TS]

  that using the ipad and and that [TS]

  keyboard and and not like not a real not [TS]

  like a full-blown terminal app just like [TS]

  this kind of iOS if I turn left even [TS]

  though as terminal apps go for I for iOS [TS]

  prompt is great but it is nothing [TS]

  compared to having a whole box terminals [TS]

  and a real keyboard on my mac like it's [TS]

  not even close and I decided then and [TS]

  there like if I actually everything to [TS]

  do like major server work on this this [TS]

  would not be a fun experience I would [TS]

  really regret it and I would wish for a [TS]

  mac and and because and and on trips to [TS]

  like there's a great discussion on [TS]

  upgrade this week where Jason snow and [TS]

  micro were talking about this and kind [TS]

  of discussing like what they bring on [TS]

  trips because both of them are very [TS]

  heavy ipad users now and and and they [TS]

  both mostly just use max now for things [TS]

  like media production tasks like podcast [TS]

  and video editing that are just still [TS]

  done better on the mac even though they [TS]

  both attempt to do it on ipads more more [TS]

  Jason and wanted to Jason said which I [TS]

  thought was very apt about trying to use [TS]

  the ipad for you know quote productivity [TS]

  or making your only traveling device one [TS]

  of the things is like with the ipad you [TS]

  often just like hit a wall just like [TS]

  something that just can't do and [TS]

  sometimes you can like download an app [TS]

  is a certain work for you some kind of [TS]

  big workaround but sometimes you just [TS]

  can't like sometimes the answers you [TS]

  just can't do that really on onlive head [TS]

  or or whatever and and so the idea of me [TS]

  ever bringing an ipad only on a trip now [TS]

  has gotten a lot that you know as I've [TS]

  as I've used ipad [TS]

  morning I've tried to do more precious [TS]

  things on it i have realize more and [TS]

  more that this is not a device for me to [TS]

  be proactive with like other people can [TS]

  do it good for them is not for me it [TS]

  really does not fit both the kind of [TS]

  work I do the kinds of needs i sometimes [TS]

  have a time traveling and just the way I [TS]

  like to work they just it is not for me [TS]

  so I really want something small that I [TS]

  can travel with and the macbook one [TS]

  obviously is the way to go for [TS]

  optimizing for that but that's just like [TS]

  too far in the other direction and that [TS]

  would make me miserable every time I had [TS]

  to use I really hate the keyboard it [TS]

  really doesn't have enough power for me [TS]

  etc the macbook pro is great but huge [TS]

  and so I i do Iike I do kind of want to [TS]

  bring it places less because of how big [TS]

  it is so that's why I'm kind of thinking [TS]

  maybe i'll try the 13-inch this year [TS]

  because i don't often need expert on the [TS]

  go for the few times i do I could you [TS]

  know i'd be just fine on automatic air I [TS]

  I don't before that I would have [TS]

  instapaper so like I've done it before I [TS]

  know I can do it a lot of people do it [TS]

  every day it's not like it's unheard of [TS]

  as long as it's right now Casey I'm not [TS]

  gonna do is I'm not ready to admit it [TS]

  but anyway so that's why I'm kind of [TS]

  thinking about that this time and you [TS]

  know ask me again in six months when I [TS]

  say oh god I should have gotten the 15 [TS]

  but we'll see and we don't know anything [TS]

  about these yes so 15 could be so [TS]

  compelling [TS]

  I might just get it anyway or or the [TS]

  13-inch might might be the star of the [TS]

  show or 13 could be really mean I could [TS]

  be wrong be the retina air might not [TS]

  exist and then you know the 13-inch [TS]

  macbook pro is an option but it's you [TS]

  know that's so close to the 15 in size [TS]

  and weight that kind of magical 15 at [TS]

  that point so i don't know we'll see [TS]

  what happens but I just I figured it was [TS]

  an interesting waffle you know Marcus [TS]

  waffling segment here interesting as i [TS]

  was considering that after the [TS]

  unexpected reason that processing the [TS]

  files from this new camera is so [TS]

  ridiculously much faster than processing [TS]

  method from the previous one had a [TS]

  keyboard for ipad not that it'll make [TS]

  the terminal as good as it doesn't [TS]

  matter [TS]

  but I lot of my frustration is like also [TS]

  the keyboard takes up half your screen [TS]

  no no I i have the Apple smart keyboard [TS]

  oh and even then you thought it wasn't [TS]

  uh what was an inferior experience other [TS]

  than the fact that you can have multiple [TS]

  windows and like moving around [TS]

  everything I mean part of it is the [TS]

  Apple smart keyboard isn't a very good [TS]

  keyboard and so there's things like [TS]

  there's no escape key which when using [TS]

  them as kind of annoying really been [TS]

  doing a lot of terminal work it's kind [TS]

  of annoying actually not and there's one [TS]

  right on screen i just had to keep [TS]

  hitting but it's annoying isn't there is [TS]

  no escape key on the big if you have the [TS]

  12 inch ipad / also notice this keep you [TS]

  like you I don't know about that one but [TS]

  on the 9.7 smart keyboard there's no [TS]

  escape key and so that's that's annoying [TS]

  there's a couple of there like missing [TS]

  missing keys that are kind of annoying [TS]

  to have also one thing i found i don't [TS]

  know if this is a problem with prompt or [TS]

  the keyboard but I i would very often [TS]

  get keystrokes that that would arrive in [TS]

  the terminal in the wrong order that I [TS]

  type them which is infuriating like it's [TS]

  like it was very very difficult i assume [TS]

  that may be prompted handling latency [TS]

  correctly in that case or something or [TS]

  there's some problem between the [TS]

  keyboard and the ipad and prompt and the [TS]

  terminally somewhere on the line [TS]

  keystrokes were actually getting jumbled [TS]

  and if you type anything too quickly and [TS]

  that sucks that something like that is [TS]

  not acceptable at all for terminal work [TS]

  so and also just you know what the [TS]

  complexity of of ipad multitasking you [TS]

  know not being you know being a lot more [TS]

  primitive than you can imagine if you [TS]

  want multiple windows open and stuff [TS]

  like that so it's just like it's the [TS]

  kind of thing like in an emergency you [TS]

  could do simple things on it but i [TS]

  really would not want to and I would [TS]

  much rather take out a mac and do it [TS]

  right and do it there but also gonna I [TS]

  don't think of buying anything after the [TS]

  apple event like Marco I guess you're in [TS]

  the market for a laptop it sounds like [TS]

  button anywhere else [TS]

  actually I i do want their pods I i [TS]

  don't know i guess i don't know if i'm [TS]

  going to end up being able to wear them [TS]

  comfort wise but I really do want to try [TS]

  them for their most likely incredible [TS]

  convenience the attempt to be able to [TS]

  have as a mission before I able to have [TS]

  headphones that I could literally put in [TS]

  this like large tic-tac shaped box in my [TS]

  pocket and carry them [TS]

  somewhere without having anything in [TS]

  larger pockets or around my neck or a [TS]

  bag like that is incredibly compelling [TS]

  for me so if i can do that at all [TS]

  I i want them and comfort wise I i have [TS]

  low expectations I i hope i can wear [TS]

  them at all i don't want them to be [TS]

  great i just hoping wear them at all i [TS]

  do expect them to be very annoying in [TS]

  the lack of controls on them but i'm i'm [TS]

  hoping maybe that I can overcome that or [TS]

  just you know tolerate it when im using [TS]

  them or you know start using the apple [TS]

  watch when i'm out walking my dog or [TS]

  something like that [TS]

  yeah i'm not going to buy air pods [TS]

  immediately after the event but I think [TS]

  they're going on my holiday list because [TS]

  I'd really like to try a pair and I [TS]

  think they'll come in handy from time to [TS]

  time even if i don't use them regularly [TS]

  but I don't plan on buying any new [TS]

  hardware outside of potentially air pods [TS]

  eventually based on the event [TS]

  what about you John so my current plan [TS]

  is about six months from now after work [TS]

  has gone through all their current [TS]

  inventory of macbook pros that they hand [TS]

  out to people i'm going to finally [TS]

  replace my mac at work and replace it [TS]

  with one of the new macbook pros which I [TS]

  hope will be guaranteed to get at that [TS]

  point [TS]

  wow that i have i have the same mac that [TS]

  I got the day I started my job seven or [TS]

  so years ago 2009 Mac Pro has never been [TS]

  upgraded our current upgrade cycle at [TS]

  work I forget what it is but I think [TS]

  it's really sure it's like 18 months or [TS]

  something you can get in your computer [TS]

  or maybe it's two years i remember [TS]

  anyway I'm kind of over do it seven or [TS]

  eight years with with my computer so [TS]

  they're not going to get me an imac [TS]

  they're not everyone gets laptops like I [TS]

  don't think that's even a choice and i [TS]

  don't think i can swing it by convincing [TS]

  them that i need to i wouldn't want a [TS]

  mac pro obviously at this point and I [TS]

  don't think I given to them about 25 the [TS]

  imax i'm going to end up getting a [TS]

  laptop and the best laptop i can get a [TS]

  15 inch pro but i do not want one of the [TS]

  current 15-inch pros for obvious reasons [TS]

  i want the new one so when the new ones [TS]

  are announced the clock starts ticking [TS]

  on to when is it safe for me at work to [TS]

  ask for a new computer that be able to [TS]

  get one of the new 15 inches because i [TS]

  don't want as for the engineers to give [TS]

  me an old one [TS]

  it's just a whole big thing so there's a [TS]

  timer that will start on the [TS]

  twenty-seventh most likely but no [TS]

  immediate action when I will probably [TS]

  look at the airports like I'm still [TS]

  planning to upgrade my iphone still [TS]

  haven't been to the apple store to pick [TS]

  out a color but eventually that will [TS]

  happen and i'm almost certain i'm going [TS]

  to get the IP their earpods just to try [TS]

  them airports whatever called it's not [TS]

  making rhyming product names Apple i'm [TS]

  almost guaranteed together because i [TS]

  like the current your part of things and [TS]

  I wanted a wireless thing so that's [TS]

  probably gonna happen [TS]