The Accidental Tech Podcast

200: I Had a Dream About the Mac Pro


  yeah i think even today's pcs they can't [TS]

  be that bad but don't have internet or [TS]

  cardigan yeah i remember battle is like [TS]

  you get a USB card ya know you've got [TS]

  USB yeah but you know I don't think upon [TS]

  my baby's alive six pci slot so it's not [TS]

  a big deal [TS]

  well you you would have a card for the [TS]

  fast USB 2.0 card with like two USB 2.0 [TS]

  and then on your motherboard like little [TS]

  riser thing but all the party at 1.14 [TS]

  your keyboard and mouse yeah then you [TS]

  have the slow ports and plus plus the [TS]

  ps2 park right because that's probably [TS]

  what your keyboard mouse connected you [TS]

  had lu2 ps2 ports and maybe color-coded [TS]

  hopefully with the weather the teal one [TS]

  for the mouse and the lime green one for [TS]

  the what was that standard called the [TS]

  standard that gave all the game others [TS]

  only colors in the late nineties you [TS]

  talk about with repeat the ps2 port like [TS]

  the mouse's purpley they're color-coded [TS]

  they're like pastel it when they got [TS]

  colored it was like around nineteen [TS]

  ninety eight or so and and that's that [TS]

  there was a standard release by the pc [TS]

  group of whoever they all agreed to use [TS]

  these colors and they were ugly colors [TS]

  so horrendous and theirs and they're [TS]

  still in use today I think the colors [TS]

  have not changed like the ports have [TS]

  changed somewhat but like I i I'm pretty [TS]

  sure it's still the exact seekers pcs [TS]

  9700 color code for ps2 keyboard purple [TS]

  and mouse screen [TS]

  ya think that's a pc system design guide [TS]

  where they're more than is like they [TS]

  were all sorts of that was like the [TS]

  sound when you hear ya color coding [TS]

  scheme pc 99 perhaps the most end user [TS]

  visible and lasting impact of pc 99 was [TS]

  that introduced to color code for very [TS]

  standard types of plugs and connections [TS]

  use on PCs sky blue is USB 3.0 for Speed [TS]

  no good [TS]

  burgundy is parallel port teal or [TS]

  turquoise serial port this i think the [TS]

  sound ones are the ugliest like that the [TS]

  pink light blue lime green like those [TS]

  are always like the ugliest one on the [TS]

  back of the case there are made every pc [TS]

  extra ugly because no matter how [TS]

  tasteful you made your case you like [TS]

  they put a little plastic ring around [TS]

  all the law do things just like a [TS]

  rainbow ugly pastel oh my god the end [TS]

  and then and the the audio plugs that [TS]

  they'll be in the cables would also be [TS]

  those colors so you can play with them [TS]

  up [TS]

  oh my god so like this is just a library [TS]

  of horrible nineties colors right here [TS]

  is that is like a tasteless person's [TS]

  idea of solving a problem [TS]

  users don't know where stuff plug into [TS]

  on the back of their pcs let's color [TS]

  code them all is is problem number one [TS]

  problem number two is if we're going to [TS]

  color called the mall let's make them [TS]

  all the colors that all clash with each [TS]

  other and we never imagined bicycle pc [TS]

  ever made [TS]

  exactly p cont nine it is our 200th [TS]

  episode spectacular before we go totally [TS]

  off the rails i like to have a [TS]

  touchy-feely moment since i am well I [TS]

  used to be the touchy-feely person chief [TS]

  but since irreconcilable differences is [TS]

  a thing I don't know if I am anymore but [TS]

  i do want to sell mean that you got that [TS]

  reconcile differences like analog but [TS]

  with people who actually know what [TS]

  they're talking about [TS]

  with all respect to my curly home i love [TS]

  they are you suggesting though because [TS]

  you're talking about the three of us are [TS]

  you suggesting that John is the [TS]

  touchy-feely one on that show [TS]

  john is a is the this is the Dark Horse [TS]

  touchy-feely 1 i'd say but anyway we're [TS]

  getting and we're getting sidetracked [TS]

  again in typical ATP style this is the [TS]

  200 200 episodes i've ever heard it [TS]

  no but I wanted to take a moment and [TS]

  genuinely from the bottom of my heart [TS]

  thank every single one of our listeners [TS]

  past present future every single one of [TS]

  you those crazy people who go all the [TS]

  way back in time to listen from the [TS]

  beginning when they discover the show [TS]

  later in the run for the 13 of you that [TS]

  listen to neutral [TS]

  i I'm sure that was sufficiently painful [TS]

  and I apologize on behalf of all three [TS]

  of us but but truly in in genuinely [TS]

  being a part of the show has been been a [TS]

  tremendous highlight of my life and and [TS]

  has afforded my family some things that [TS]

  we may not have been able to do [TS]

  otherwise and it's thanks to all the [TS]

  listeners even the ones who write as [TS]

  cranky emails we appreciate you once you [TS]

  read us lovely emails we really [TS]

  appreciate you and and even if you [TS]

  listen and don't write in we appreciate [TS]

  you too so thank you from all of us to [TS]

  all of you for being you and for [TS]

  listening to the show and also on a [TS]

  somber note if I can't remember my gmail [TS]

  password there we go [TS]

  this is going to be a short show can't [TS]

  see the damn show notes but I just [TS]

  remembered it [TS]

  so we're good so what what is it that [TS]

  makes somebody by a white car exactly so [TS]

  here we go again [TS]

  god you're such a day anyway it's funny [TS]

  LOL looking back on that very first [TS]

  episode of neutral eye [TS]

  had I known that that was going to be [TS]

  the first released episode i probably [TS]

  would have started with a better phrase [TS]

  my introductory phrase to tell you that [TS]

  the world would have been something [TS]

  better than what is it that makes [TS]

  somebody by a white car all your dip it [TS]

  seems about right what are you [TS]

  complaining about that's like man I mean [TS]

  I but are we really that different now [TS]

  no but I would have had i had had I [TS]

  known better at the time I would have [TS]

  chosen a better introductory phrase [TS]

  because if you think about I mean that [TS]

  was my very first appearance on any [TS]

  podcast ever and my first appearance was [TS]

  was getting grumpy at you which again [TS]

  maybe it's fitting in nature that now we [TS]

  just sound better but it's the same for [TS]

  the same people doing basically this [TS]

  radio show now just be sound better and [TS]

  the car stuff tends to wait till the end [TS]

  of the show [TS]

  yeah that is accurate because i have [TS]

  been it was it is it is wild to me to [TS]

  think and actually I was just talking to [TS]

  a friend of mine at work at lunch today [TS]

  you know I he was he was reflecting on [TS]

  the time when the two of us where [TS]

  jackals in the five by five chatroom and [TS]

  here it is i'm talking with you guys [TS]

  every single week which is which is [TS]

  crazy it's bananas and and I'm very [TS]

  thankful for it and again i'm thankful [TS]

  for all our listeners and in this [TS]

  touchy-feely moment is going to end in a [TS]

  moment but but it is important to me [TS]

  anyway and I think I speak for the other [TS]

  two guys it's important to all of us [TS]

  that that you guys know that that we [TS]

  appreciate you [TS]

  despite the fish that we play before the [TS]

  live stream for every week we all like [TS]

  you even John especially the people go [TS]

  back and listen from the beginning [TS]

  because those are the best people but [TS]

  that it's a competition there's such as [TS]

  so much important continuity that you'll [TS]

  be missing out that don't do that and [TS]

  it's becoming increasingly hard to do [TS]

  that as time passes so better hurry up [TS]

  and come through the back catalogue [TS]

  those people are the best [TS]

  that's the thing and because these [TS]

  aren't 200 short shows you who [TS]

  well the first like five were was the [TS]

  first episode like 15 minutes or [TS]

  something yeah it was like the [TS]

  after-show of neutral week is recorded [TS]

  one night and threw up on soundcloud it [TS]

  was an inversion read through the [TS]

  the show became the show the show began [TS]

  after man but if I mean to think that a [TS]

  that it was you know what was it [TS]

  something like march of 2013 that we [TS]

  formally announced that this was a thing [TS]

  yeah and here it is it's it's December [TS]

  of 2016 and with the exception of the [TS]

  one crossover episode all three of us [TS]

  have been on every single episode 4 200 [TS]

  episodes every single week without fail [TS]

  and and you know in the grand scheme of [TS]

  things it's not a difficult thing to [TS]

  talk to your buddies at home in front of [TS]

  your own computer for a couple hours [TS]

  each week but you'd be surprised how [TS]

  challenging it can become especially [TS]

  with like holiday schedules as we're [TS]

  coming into so so I appreciate the to [TS]

  you guys sticking with me and I [TS]

  appreciate all the listeners sticking [TS]

  with us and with that touchy-feely [TS]

  moment unless you guys have something to [TS]

  add [TS]

  we can go on to a normal completely [TS]

  accidental show remarkable and start [TS]

  some kind of celebratory 200 episodes [TS]

  sound this point in the podcast no [TS]

  pressure [TS]

  we could just make this a clip show you [TS]

  just let you know just all the all the [TS]

  wonderful clips from times past it is [TS]

  the holiday season next step let's talk [TS]

  about filesystems alright that's more [TS]

  working doing regular show though [TS]

  yeah it actually is really honestly I [TS]

  could just sit here and bullshit with [TS]

  you guys for a couple hours that's way [TS]

  easier actually going back and pulling [TS]

  clips that but I just 19 Safari windows [TS]

  oh my god knows how many chrome window [TS]

  still have open uh haha oh my god you [TS]

  think about that of course is little [TS]

  brother of course welcome windows [TS]

  Oh dissen to the to the net i running [TS]

  Safari and chrome all the time [TS]

  oh my god why that the why on God's [TS]

  green earth do you need more than 30 web [TS]

  browser windows open [TS]

  why is that necessary how many freaking [TS]

  tabs are all 30 of the classroom now i [TS]

  can close thing and microwave browse [TS]

  wearing clothes like for the working i [TS]

  can close the pages with the dates of [TS]

  superclocked dates in it what's the [TS]

  average number of tabs per window you [TS]

  think it's like so you can still see the [TS]

  titles like usually you know so like [TS]

  eight [TS]

  no that's tonight 1234 like five or six [TS]

  like for example when I was looking at I [TS]

  want to look up the dates for super [TS]

  clock [TS]

  I one window dedicated to looking at a [TS]

  date that the super clock was was [TS]

  released one window looking up the date [TS]

  that system 7.5 was released and it [TS]

  within those windows i have the google [TS]

  thing and then I have tabs for the the [TS]

  google research results that i thought [TS]

  would be likely and then one of the tabs [TS]

  eventually led to the answer that window [TS]

  is done off to the side next window [TS]

  well its got it why is it off to the [TS]

  side it why is it not close so i could [TS]

  refer to it when i just discussed this [TS]

  and did the math in my head about what [TS]

  the dates were only God so I let's do [TS]

  some follow-up as as we always should [TS]

  and John why don't you tell us about an [TS]

  LG 4k HDR monitor fun fact buying the [TS]

  modern new monitor for a new Playstation [TS]

  I was lamenting the fact that it didn't [TS]

  seem to be any place you could buy a 4k [TS]

  monitor with HDR support you could buy [TS]

  4k televisions with HDR but not monitor [TS]

  is not like reasonable size small things [TS]

  you put on a desk and LG just [TS]

  pre-announced / announced that they're [TS]

  going to have a 4k 32 ish or something [TS]

  inch HD are capable monitor that was [TS]

  showing at CES or something so you know [TS]

  you're welcome [TS]

  all I had to do was buy a monitor [TS]

  announced thank you my new mac pro John [TS]

  oh god now I haven't pulled that trigger [TS]

  yellow it i had a dream about the mac [TS]

  pro last night [TS]

  of course you did i wish i had I should [TS]

  have written it down or told to an [TS]

  ancient bird Merlin style music fading [TS]

  memory but it's something like Apple had [TS]

  introduced a new mac pro that look cut [TS]

  from the front of what kind of like the [TS]

  trashcan macro the name of it didn't [TS]

  make any sense to me in the dream it [TS]

  didn't make any sense and I kept asking [TS]

  anybody everybody who would listen in [TS]

  the dream why is it called us and I [TS]

  believe the name was something like it [TS]

  was like a browsing computer like web [TS]

  browsing like why you calling it a [TS]

  browsing [TS]

  pewter doesn't make any sense this is [TS]

  supposed to be the new mac pro pro the [TS]

  replacement macro what does have to do [TS]

  with web browsing that was called and [TS]

  when you rotate around the backwards [TS]

  instead of looking like the current one [TS]

  on the back of the the trashcan cylinder [TS]

  with a section that was just cut out [TS]

  flat and what it looked like you know [TS]

  but the flat place looks like it was [TS]

  like the back of an old pc you know what [TS]

  the the pci slots with a little covers [TS]

  on God a little bit of unfinished steel [TS]

  guys what it looks like on the back to [TS]

  steal like a big flat section that was [TS]

  steel and I'd like the graphics card [TS]

  with a little port picking out of it and [TS]

  then to pci slots but didn't make sense [TS]

  because the cylinder and there anyway [TS]

  that's what it looked like it was gross [TS]

  i wasn't happy with it and it was named [TS]

  after something having to do with [TS]

  browsing which didn't make any sense [TS]

  see normally I cannot stand to hear [TS]

  about someone else's brain taking a dump [TS]

  in their dreams like I just I cannot [TS]

  stand dream recollections because they [TS]

  make no sense i tried to make a concise [TS]

  like there was more to it but I had the [TS]

  highlights but I will you know for [TS]

  whatever reason I I will tolerate dream [TS]

  recollections about the mac pro because [TS]

  i'm just that desperate for anything can [TS]

  put the mac protocol even want this one [TS]

  just like I i'm still having like [TS]

  flashbacks of the back of this thing [TS]

  like a back of a pc shoved into the the [TS]

  back of a trashcan it was some and there [TS]

  was some crap what about like all I [TS]

  guess the old back with like the little [TS]

  you know the little light up things and [TS]

  everything and the ports being on a [TS]

  little curve is just too expensive so [TS]

  just going with like the back of a pc XD [TS]

  case but you know that i would still buy [TS]

  it and you would still not buy it [TS]

  I don't know and who knows what I'll do [TS]

  in the future all I know is if if Apple [TS]

  releases something that they call a [TS]

  macpro even if it is only slightly what [TS]

  John is interested in John if you don't [TS]

  buy 1 i'm gonna buy a friggin one for [TS]

  you so this way I don't have to continue [TS]

  to hear you lament about how you have a [TS]

  mac pro that's older than then my child [TS]

  by quite a long stretch i should add [TS]

  heasley the your macros like four times [TS]

  older than my child is older than both [TS]

  of our children combined that's true [TS]

  re yea right let's move on before i have [TS]

  to go find a bottle of vodka and start [TS]

  drinking [TS]

  I wasn't planning on this being a [TS]

  holiday spectacular uh the headphone [TS]

  ports / jack [TS]

  audiosource bugs i think was Marco that [TS]

  talk about this [TS]

  an episode or two ago and and the way it [TS]

  was pitched will given the information [TS]

  we have at our disposal the time is that [TS]

  it was perhaps something with lightning [TS]

  headphones where I know I'm sorry was [TS]

  John the process up wasn't it regardless [TS]

  when you plug in lightning headphone [TS]

  sometimes the audio doesn't go to the [TS]

  headphones when you unplug them [TS]

  sometimes weird things happen and I [TS]

  guess we've gotten word that this may be [TS]

  an iOS 10 thing and not necessarily [TS]

  lightning headphone sing so do either of [TS]

  you want to build on that was that was [TS]

  the feedback started coming in because [TS]

  my report was like look at this new [TS]

  iphone 7 and this new thing is happening [TS]

  to me and I'm going to blame it on the [TS]

  new headphone thing because it never [TS]

  happened with my old headphones and the [TS]

  first set of reports that were people [TS]

  saying hey I've got an older iphone that [TS]

  has a plain old headphone jack and it's [TS]

  happening to me too so I guess it must [TS]

  be iOS 10 related not hardware related [TS]

  and then eventually more reports started [TS]

  coming and saying nope happens in iOS 92 [TS]

  so i'm going to say that I was just [TS]

  lucky i put this point that I had never [TS]

  run into his bug and I just happened to [TS]

  see it coinciding with my lightning at [TS]

  once because so many people have said [TS]

  they've seen this on iOS 9 and with [TS]

  plain old headphones so oh well alright [TS]

  fair enough so we also spoke about my [TS]

  safari back in forward swipe issue and a [TS]

  brief recap occasionally and this used [TS]

  to happen constantly years ago I would [TS]

  use on my magic mouse or perhaps on the [TS]

  mat on the track that on on my laptop's [TS]

  i would do on the magic mouse and one [TS]

  finger swipe on the on the laptops it's [TS]

  two-finger swipe and I would attempt to [TS]

  go si back or forward page and the page [TS]

  would start to animate say back so to [TS]

  from left to right and they would get [TS]

  stuck in safari would be effectively [TS]

  locked and i thought that i was just a [TS]

  unicorn in the bad way and that i was [TS]

  one of the few people this happened to i [TS]

  got a lot of people I I can't put a [TS]

  number on it but i'm more than i [TS]

  expected people tweeting at me saying oh [TS]

  my god i thought i was the only one [TS]

  it turns out there's more of us than [TS]

  just me a lot of people said that they [TS]

  had this problem and we did get a [TS]

  handful of people that said and I [TS]

  haven't had a chance to try this myself [TS]

  that when used when safari freezes when [TS]

  swiping back [TS]

  you need to restore the page to the [TS]

  original position by swiping the other [TS]

  direction and then safari will continue [TS]

  working you don't have to like quit [TS]

  safari a reboot or whatever the case may [TS]

  be I again haven't having corroborated [TS]

  that myself but I saw that mentioned a [TS]

  couple of different times so it's worth [TS]

  trying if you're one of those sad [TS]

  unicorns like I am moving on Andrew [TS]

  Bucky rights in to say I'm a controls [TS]

  engineer working primarily an automotive [TS]

  powertrain and I'm based in the Detroit [TS]

  area just for your info the machine in [TS]

  the video that we mentioned last week is [TS]

  usually referred to as a mill turn as I [TS]

  can do milling straight cuts and [TS]

  drilling a hole drilling done by a mill [TS]

  and turning which is done by lathe and [TS]

  the important piece here is that we were [TS]

  talking about how this is a very fancy [TS]

  crankshaft and how wild that is he said [TS]

  cranks are not usually produced like [TS]

  this that was either a prototype part or [TS]

  a crank for a race car engine or quote [TS]

  unquote hypercar usually the crank is [TS]

  cast in the rough shape of the crank and [TS]

  only a few millimeters of material needs [TS]

  to be removed some surfaces not even [TS]

  touched by the cutter in most every case [TS]

  except low-volume parts machining [TS]

  processes progressive width apart [TS]

  passing through around 10 different [TS]

  miltern lades bouncer polisher and high [TS]

  pressure washer which is 5000 psi water [TS]

  for deburring and cleaning before a [TS]

  finished part pops out [TS]

  so this is not a normal procedure but [TS]

  man was it cool to watch that makes [TS]

  sense because they're saying like if [TS]

  this is how this is what it takes to [TS]

  make every crankshaft this seems that [TS]

  seems excessive things like not not a [TS]

  mass producing and not a process by [TS]

  which you make a lot of anything because [TS]

  it just looks so I mean you know you're [TS]

  only making one of those things at a [TS]

  time and the machine is the size of a [TS]

  truck and so it just doesn't work as a [TS]

  mass production pipeline get robbed also [TS]

  added something that he says I don't [TS]

  know a single production car with the [TS]

  billet crank that's you know these are [TS]

  these are machine from steel billets [TS]

  local ability Frank Ferrari McLaren [TS]

  Koenigsegg all used forged abilities for [TS]

  custom race entrance so it's not even [TS]

  even hypercar stone use it only if you [TS]

  are making an engine for a an actual [TS]

  custom racing car like for f1 or [TS]

  somebody [TS]

  into this if you're making a hypercar [TS]

  solid consumers even that doesn't give [TS]

  you enough money to occupy a gigantic [TS]

  truck-sized computer-controlled milling [TS]

  machine for god knows how long it takes [TS]

  to make one of those links indeed we [TS]

  also had a conversation via email with [TS]

  an anonymous amazon employee who has [TS]

  tried amazon go and this email chain i [TS]

  wish i could publish it because it was [TS]

  fascinating and I'm not being silly i'm [TS]

  being genuine thought it was really [TS]

  really interesting and so this [TS]

  particular individual they said that [TS]

  they were in like on the cue to get in [TS]

  the beta but weren't there yet and then [TS]

  just like it the next day they said oh [TS]

  my goodness i'm in the beta and then the [TS]

  following day they said okay I've been [TS]

  and here's the situation and so to quote [TS]

  them just got back from my first visit [TS]

  no rfid no slanted shelves to push [TS]

  product up front no clear wait pads on [TS]

  the shelves though all shelves are set [TS]

  up to be connected to a network so it's [TS]

  possible the entire shelf is being [TS]

  weighed and not and not a single aisle [TS]

  got it they got their receipt about five [TS]

  minutes after they left so nor don't [TS]

  know door clustering it had everything I [TS]

  grabbed including the starbucks i pulled [TS]

  from the back of the stack [TS]

  I thought of you John said are anonymous [TS]

  writer writer the entire ceiling is an [TS]

  array of wireless sensors and cameras i [TS]

  think they may be taking full radar the [TS]

  store to track people and product how [TS]

  freakin cool is that I would love to see [TS]

  this in person waiting five minutes for [TS]

  your seems like they just have a card [TS]

  that are the service just slow or is it [TS]

  always gonna be five minutes the other [TS]

  doesn't stop people from clustering but [TS]

  also stops you if you got accidentally [TS]

  charged for 99 bottles of something you [TS]

  bought one bottle of finding that out at [TS]

  five minutes later you could be driving [TS]

  away and i have to circle back so it's [TS]

  kind of crappy well no because maybe [TS]

  this was a private email just to me [TS]

  because I exchanged a couple with with [TS]

  this individual but they said that if [TS]

  you look at the special app that you [TS]

  have to put on your phone in order to [TS]

  use Amazon go once you get your receipt [TS]

  you can just do a delete swipe you know [TS]

  so that's a right to left swipe and it [TS]

  will immediately remove that charger or [TS]

  refund you that item or whatever the [TS]

  case may be I'm assuming since it's all [TS]

  amazon employees right now it's kind of [TS]

  honor system [TS]

  I guess but yeah I just can't leave the [TS]

  store and then just deletes I've [TS]

  everything [TS]

  just bought the great system but I mean [TS]

  according to this individual it was very [TS]

  accurate and and there was no obvious [TS]

  witchcraft about it other than the the [TS]

  ceiling or array of sensors so very cool [TS]

  stuff i'm really curious to see if this [TS]

  goes anywhere but but very neat this [TS]

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  was it yesterday as we record we're [TS]

  recording on wednesday the 14th i think [TS]

  was yesterday or maybe this morning [TS]

  sometime it's been a blur for me at work [TS]

  lately apple finally allowed us to give [TS]

  them a hundred an eighty dollars of our [TS]

  money and order air pots right at the [TS]

  end of the year by an hour after it went [TS]

  on sale the date had slipped to after [TS]

  Christmas and within just a couple hours [TS]

  after that the date had slipped to well [TS]

  after Christmas and well into the new [TS]

  year I haven't looked lately at what the [TS]

  date is I would just like to say a [TS]

  personal thank you to apple that they [TS]

  had decided to do this based on the one [TS]

  true time zone which is easier and that [TS]

  makes me extremely happy because those [TS]

  those jerks make us stay up till three [TS]

  in the morning or wake up at three in [TS]

  the morning to order our darn iphones [TS]

  and it was lovely [TS]

  well it would have been lovely hat I [TS]

  ordered some to be able to just casually [TS]

  say yes I'd like one of these please [TS]

  i've been awake for an hour to and I'm [TS]

  prepared to make this kind of decision [TS]

  meanwhile i should add a certain little [TS]

  someone whose name might rhyme with [TS]

  smell is sending me a picture of him [TS]

  listening to our show in earpods excuse [TS]

  me air pods right now that big jerk so [TS]

  hi Mason smell it's good to see that [TS]

  you're listening on your fancy-pants [TS]

  earpods can take solace in the fact that [TS]

  is right ear hurts [TS]

  yeah did either of you guys order a pair [TS]

  Marco I'm I know you did so i guess i [TS]

  should ask you John did you order a pair [TS]

  i did i was excited to really i was i [TS]

  also i'm glad they did in the right time [TS]

  zone because i was awake and near a [TS]

  computer at the time everyone said [TS]

  airports are available and so people say [TS]

  our partners around when i click order [TS]

  and minor supposed to be delivered on [TS]

  the 21st yep same deal same with me i'm [TS]

  looking forward to how much they're [TS]

  gonna hurt my ears but i really only [TS]

  don't know is I honestly like all the [TS]

  apples here but and all all your buddies [TS]

  have always hurt my ears enough that i [TS]

  really can't ever use them [TS]

  I'm hoping these will be different [TS]

  because the immense convenience of them [TS]

  is you know I don't care how crappy they [TS]

  sound if they are comfortable at all i [TS]

  want to wear them on a regular basis to [TS]

  listen to podcasts while on-the-go that [TS]

  will be awesome and it will be extra [TS]

  awesome to just like you know their case [TS]

  is so small you can you can bring them [TS]

  like a you know like like all your but [TS]

  people have always known forever [TS]

  you can bring them like in a pocket or [TS]

  bag that would otherwise be too small [TS]

  for most other kinds of headphones so [TS]

  you can kind of always have them with [TS]

  you and that's something that I have [TS]

  wished for [TS]

  since I started carrying portable music [TS]

  devices it's a click [TS]

  you just always have it with you so that [TS]

  if you find yourself in a situation [TS]

  where you need it or wherever you'd like [TS]

  to listen to something you can just take [TS]

  your headphones out of your pocket and [TS]

  listen and I've never had one that small [TS]

  before because they don't fit my ears [TS]

  but i'm going to really try to make [TS]

  these work because I really want that [TS]

  convenience for everyday walking around [TS]

  to try whittling them down or something [TS]

  like a carving knife good carved himself [TS]

  from a bigger ipod the other thing to [TS]

  like you know as as i have used my [TS]

  iphone 7 more without its real headphone [TS]

  jack [TS]

  basically the more I live with the [TS]

  iphone 7 the less I ever want to use [TS]

  wired headphones with it again it it's [TS]

  not that you can't do it you know you [TS]

  know we know we can do it with the nine [TS]

  dollar dongle but it is such a clunky [TS]

  experience and such a limited experience [TS]

  like if you want to charge your phone on [TS]

  the plane I really do not intend to ever [TS]

  buy another pair of wired headphones [TS]

  that is intended for my desk ever again [TS]

  so how amazing would it be like this is [TS]

  casey's fantasy tonight is Marco gets [TS]

  the set of their pods and put some in [TS]

  his ears and realizes me you know these [TS]

  don't hurt my ears maybe this earbud [TS]

  thing ain't so bad and in typical Marco [TS]

  style fast-forward two months you know a [TS]

  casey have you ever heard of getting [TS]

  your ears poured in getting like in-ear [TS]

  monitors these things are amazing [TS]

  that's not the same thing you're not are [TS]

  not the same as 10 line now you know [TS]

  city seal going into your ear canal [TS]

  these are outside you know [TS]

  I i think is a long distance to go from [TS]

  ken Margo's weird-shaped years tolerate [TS]

  tolerate plain old earbuds which is what [TS]

  i would call these things too [TS]

  can I get some crap shoved right up in [TS]

  my ear that's a whole different thing [TS]

  but also like any in your monitors the [TS]

  guy I respect them as as category [TS]

  I've never remember where the myself I i [TS]

  I've tried I've tried a couple and i got [TS]

  like the fancy comply tips and all those [TS]

  things and and yet none of them really [TS]

  ever worked for me but they also are [TS]

  very different in the way they function [TS]

  in the first of all there are very few [TS]

  if any wireless ones and as you said I [TS]

  am right now for for my needs away from [TS]

  my desk i'm only interested in wireless [TS]

  from this point forward and the other [TS]

  problem is that they isolate really [TS]

  really well they really block out all [TS]

  outside sound and most of the time when [TS]

  i'm using my portable headphones that's [TS]

  actually not what I want [TS]

  if I'm like I'm like walking it you know [TS]

  around my town walking my dog walking [TS]

  down more than you know from the city or [TS]

  from walking through airport alone like [TS]

  i will use these headphones on all those [TS]

  times where I really don't want that [TS]

  much isolation from the outside world so [TS]

  I in your monitors are great for lots of [TS]

  people and use cases that I don't have [TS]

  no that's fair i in in case listeners [TS]

  you weren't aware I've been beat marco [TS]

  up for probably a year to now that my [TS]

  dad has a set of custom in-ear monitors [TS]

  that he had had done a couple years back [TS]

  where you go to some sort of special ear [TS]

  doctor I'm sure there's a term for it [TS]

  audiologist oh yeah we're an audiologist [TS]

  whatever the case may be in you and you [TS]

  get a mold made of your ear canal and [TS]

  then you send that mold to a company [TS]

  that will make a set of ear phones i [TS]

  guess they would be called that is [TS]

  molded for your ear specifically and i [TS]

  keep saying to Marco oh my god imagine [TS]

  how amazing it would be to have a [TS]

  speaker or a series of speakers the [TS]

  millimeters away from your ear drums or [TS]

  whatever the the receptacle is that you [TS]

  need to listen to things and everytime [TS]

  Marco said yes but anything that goes to [TS]

  my ears as evil and doesn't work and so [TS]

  that is the source of my fantasy is what [TS]

  if this was the way to get marco to try [TS]

  in your monitors and realize that this [TS]

  headphone businesses just a bunch of [TS]

  ways it's a total waste of time [TS]

  we'll see time will tell listeners time [TS]

  will tell [TS]

  anyway in any case i am actually hopeful [TS]

  that i will at some point receive a set [TS]

  of their pods I didn't buy them only [TS]

  because i don't i don't have an urgent [TS]

  need for them [TS]

  I I mean the holidays are coming up but [TS]

  i don't expect to receive them for the [TS]

  holidays by persons I did you do you [TS]

  expect did you not order them yourself [TS]

  that you sent casually send the URL [TS]

  Theron or something [TS]

  no no I thought about it but I didn't I [TS]

  didn't I got a good plan for something [TS]

  like that yeah probably not [TS]

  Plus aaron has been going on and on [TS]

  about how how this is going to be a [TS]

  great Christmas and Hanukkah for me and [TS]

  I got to tell you the truth I i did not [TS]

  do as well for her this year so I'm [TS]

  already feeling pretty guilty but anyway [TS]

  to set expectations [TS]

  yeah right so in any case I I think [TS]

  you're my birthday's in march so maybe [TS]

  i'll get it set pair whatever for my [TS]

  birthday I'm but I definitely want to [TS]

  try them i'm super intrigued by them I [TS]

  think they look really really awesome [TS]

  and i think it's it's a very aptly way [TS]

  like this to me is the Apple that the [TS]

  three of us love it in and i hope this [TS]

  doesn't take a negative term but this is [TS]

  Apple taking a thing that was annoying [TS]

  but we all want most of us lived with [TS]

  like the traditional bluetooth i am a [TS]

  proponent and defender of it but i [TS]

  cannot sit here and say it's perfect and [TS]

  it's flawless it's sufficient and inform [TS]

  me that the trade-offs are worth it but [TS]

  this this w one chip and all the fancy [TS]

  bluetooth stuff that they're doing this [TS]

  just looks awesome and it's solving a [TS]

  problem in the most aptly best possible [TS]

  way and I'm really looking forward to at [TS]

  least trying trying their pods at some [TS]

  point of not getting my own set and i [TS]

  agree with you Marco that that as much [TS]

  as I'm giving you a hard time in your [TS]

  monitors are not the right answer for [TS]

  like walking around or anything like [TS]

  that i had a sent to me a set of bone [TS]

  conducting headphones i will put a link [TS]

  in the show notes for the life of me I [TS]

  can't remember the the name of them and [TS]

  I apologize because it's it's right on [TS]

  the tip of my tongue but anyway we'll [TS]

  put a link in the show notes and I i I'd [TS]

  are talking about I've actually been [TS]

  meaning to try those myself but haven't [TS]

  quite gotten to it yet [TS]

  yeah well if you remind me I'm we're [TS]

  going to see each other in a few weeks [TS]

  and i'll bring you around that they are [TS]

  they are not the greatest for music it's [TS]

  it's a bit tinny which makes sense [TS]

  because if you're not familiar with bone [TS]

  conduction headphones way it works is [TS]

  there's nothing over here itself they go [TS]

  kind of [TS]

  around your ears and press I guess [TS]

  that's your cheekbones that are the the [TS]

  bones that kind of stick out a work well [TS]

  for your cheeks are anyways so they [TS]

  vibrate your cheekbones which kind of [TS]

  somehow vibrates the inner ear that [TS]

  sounds really scary and sketchy but [TS]

  actually it works really well in my word [TS]

  for podcasting they are for listening to [TS]

  podcasts i should say they are [TS]

  phenomenal and what's great about it is [TS]

  you can have them in and still be [TS]

  completely and totally aware of what's [TS]

  going on around you the aftershocks [TS]

  tracks titanium that is the name of the [TS]

  is the name of the headphones i'll put a [TS]

  link in the show notes and if all you're [TS]

  doing is listening to podcasts I cannot [TS]

  recommend these enough and i think that [TS]

  the air pods are going to fill a similar [TS]

  gap except they'll probably be far [TS]

  better for music now they'll probably [TS]

  have a little more isolation which is [TS]

  both good and bad but they'll probably [TS]

  be far better for music so i'm really [TS]

  anxious to try air pods hopefully you [TS]

  guys will bring a set and in you know [TS]

  i'll bring some like disinfecting wipes [TS]

  or something so after I tried that they [TS]

  can disinfect them but but i would love [TS]

  to try them when we see each other in a [TS]

  few weeks i am super amped to to see how [TS]

  these are and see what the real world [TS]

  says once they're out in the wild the [TS]

  one concern I have is and i remember now [TS]

  why didn't rush order the bone [TS]

  conduction ones the the mean issue I [TS]

  have with so many bluetooth headphones [TS]

  is a lack of easy you're good or any [TS]

  controls for volume seek back seat [TS]

  forward play pause the it like it you [TS]

  know regularly with the wireless you [TS]

  have the clicker and clickers its own [TS]

  you know set of challenges like the [TS]

  various multi click gestures doing is [TS]

  reliably is always a little tricky and [TS]

  everything but the reason I've stuck [TS]

  with my ugly sennheiser PX 2 10 BTW for [TS]

  so long is because it has these big [TS]

  plastic buttons on the right earcup and [TS]

  like right now it's getting cold outside [TS]

  so on a lot of my walks now wearing [TS]

  gloves and i couldn't i can feel and [TS]

  accurately push these giant plastic [TS]

  buttons through gloves even and it's you [TS]

  know one click for back one point [TS]

  forward you know pick up food up in a [TS]

  volume middle four paws like it's so [TS]

  convenient and almost every day [TS]

  good bluetooth headphone does not have [TS]

  good controls like almost all the other [TS]

  ones the ones the ones that are on your [TS]

  over here they get all fancy with like [TS]

  touch gestures and those are all believe [TS]

  me I've tried so many they are all awful [TS]

  that shuts the words like like i'll make [TS]

  a little swirl motion with your hand to [TS]

  turn the volume up [TS]

  yeah that works really precisely like it [TS]

  oh my god and there's delay and you [TS]

  gotta tap again know it's there they're [TS]

  so unreliable to so annoying [TS]

  that's always a challenge of lieutenant [TS]

  Andy you gotta figure out kind of [TS]

  physical design problem like where do [TS]

  you put the controls on some of these [TS]

  and the air pods from from you know what [TS]

  we know so far they only have one [TS]

  controller gesture which is a tier [TS]

  tapper DoubleTap i forget do you [TS]

  remember which one [TS]

  anyway whatever it is it's by default [TS]

  and toggle Cirie and you can apparently [TS]

  change it in the preferences to instead [TS]

  be a play/pause button but that's it [TS]

  and so I I do worry about that and I am [TS]

  I worried about that with it as it with [TS]

  all bluetooth headphones because most of [TS]

  them have either bad to know controls so [TS]

  I that I think is going to be [TS]

  frustrating to only have play pause [TS]

  control or you can ask Syria to play and [TS]

  pause your stuff but that's I don't [TS]

  think that would be good for for me to [TS]

  remain positive but apple stuff so I i [TS]

  think i'm not going to configure mind [TS]

  that way but I you know I i assume the [TS]

  dsi I guess the the design assumption [TS]

  here is that maybe you'll want to [TS]

  control things either all through Syria [TS]

  which is probably not great or through [TS]

  the apple watch or through your phone by [TS]

  taking out your pocket everything and [TS]

  those are all ok answers none of them [TS]

  are as good as having actual physical [TS]

  controls that are near or on the [TS]

  headphones but we'll see how that works [TS]

  in practice I i think the air pods [TS]

  overall will be so incredibly convenient [TS]

  that will probably be willing to [TS]

  overlook the annoyance of the lack of [TS]

  physical controls on them even though [TS]

  that will be a big annoyance but i think [TS]

  the comedians we'll just be so great [TS]

  that it that will overlook that there's [TS]

  another wireless dongle to be the [TS]

  controller you got the year because I [TS]

  mean as far as I'm concerned it's not [TS]

  you mean like an Apple watch [TS]

  I would probably take that in fact I did [TS]

  wear my Apple watch recently just a [TS]

  congratulation give it to happen but I [TS]

  what's going on me but like I just don't [TS]

  want the wire connecting because that [TS]

  gets caught on things and it's annoying [TS]

  so if and also like reaching into my [TS]

  pocket to try to find the volume on my [TS]

  phone I can probably pull that off but i [TS]

  don't think there's any hardware button [TS]

  I can hit on my phone that will advance [TS]

  or go back right [TS]

  funny thing i actually I prototype to a [TS]

  while ago with overcast I i use the [TS]

  accelerometer on the phone during [TS]

  playback to try to detect if you would [TS]

  just tap the phone in your pocket you [TS]

  just hit the back with your finger and [TS]

  try to interpret tap gestures the same [TS]

  way you do it on a remote clicker and I [TS]

  almost got a working you can actually do [TS]

  it and it works ok but it doesn't work [TS]

  reliably enough it like I i get through [TS]

  to be good for maybe like two-thirds of [TS]

  the time but that's not that's nowhere [TS]

  close to have a reliable has to pee to [TS]

  make it actually usable that 13 your [TS]

  phone out the window but I actually I [TS]

  wanted to solve this exact problem like [TS]

  just I want to remote control my pocket [TS]

  just go tap tap [TS]

  you know or whatever it is just tapping [TS]

  the back here at the back your phone in [TS]

  your pocket as you're walking and you [TS]

  don't want to have something I want I [TS]

  want button sewing buttons that I can [TS]

  feel buttons you can feel with gloves on [TS]

  even but you can tap it with those onto [TS]

  doesn't matter [TS]

  yeah tapping tapping is my not not the [TS]

  way the closet but your Apple have to be [TS]

  frontmost right know if it's playing [TS]

  audio i can get it can be continuing [TS]

  right well anyway I'm I don't want to [TS]

  tap anything i'm gonna buy anything but [TS]

  sold on manufacturing sold the processed [TS]

  that's the second one you guys mr. not [TS]

  well I i get that is a reference I [TS]

  forget what it's a reference from its [TS]

  always on back to work [TS]

  that's that's always been the movie you [TS]

  haven't seen that's what is a reference [TS]

  to like so many things in life well [TS]

  that's that every movie right [TS]

  real-time follow-up from Mason smell it [TS]

  is double tap and you can choose to [TS]

  either have that engage serie play pause [TS]

  or do nothing at all [TS]

  also Mason smell would like to tell john [TS]

  siracusa that it was saying anything and [TS]

  say anything that you're right now Jason [TS]

  knows how are you can have to do nothing [TS]

  at all it's a great option it's usually [TS]

  excuse me it's mason that works speaking [TS]

  with thank you very much [TS]

  I'm impressed that you're that you're [TS]

  keeping the street because I'm trying [TS]

  real hard you have no idea [TS]

  Teddy K so yeah so it's everywhere all [TS]

  amped for our new head forward air [TS]

  earpods earpods whatever we're calling [TS]

  them headphones things you can't give [TS]

  that strict it whenever I move on from [TS]

  their pods uh if they have apple sold [TS]

  like applecare+ for air pods for like [TS]

  thirty to fifty dollars would you buy it [TS]

  would cover well cover like if you lose [TS]

  one of them are if it falls and you step [TS]

  on it or whatever like instead of having [TS]

  to buy a whole because i'm assuming your [TS]

  only option is a one falls out of your [TS]

  ears or gets knocked down and you step [TS]

  on it breaks is your only option hundred [TS]

  sixty dollars out of pocket to buy an [TS]

  entire new set you can't just buy one [TS]

  right so the applecare thing would like [TS]

  30 to 50 bucks where you get you know if [TS]

  you get you damage them to lose them [TS]

  anyway you get a replacement for another [TS]

  50 or some crap like that would you buy [TS]

  that i don't think i would but I'm [TS]

  cheapest health so I'm gonna try to [TS]

  gauge is like you predicted you're gonna [TS]

  have problems either losing or breaking [TS]

  these things I don't think so [TS]

  Margo my policy with buying extended [TS]

  warranties most of the time is to not [TS]

  buy them and then if in my life and [TS]

  having to pay out of pocket for so many [TS]

  repairs that it would have been more [TS]

  expensive than buying all these things [TS]

  you know up to that point then i will [TS]

  start buying the extended warranties [TS]

  from that point forward that your policy [TS]

  is closed the door at barn door after [TS]

  the horse is gone but it's my fault [TS]

  she's basically like let me let me take [TS]

  the risk and see if in my life I need to [TS]

  pay this kind of insurance premium or [TS]

  not and so far in my life it you know in [TS]

  my entire adult life of owning expensive [TS]

  gadgets i have almost never bought the [TS]

  extended warranty and have also almost [TS]

  never needed one so I'm coming out way [TS]

  ahead basically have you thought about [TS]

  ensuring your watches for either theft [TS]

  or damage [TS]

  I'm genuinely asking i'm not trying to [TS]

  be snarky no I have I mean it's smart it [TS]

  you know it's in when you have like [TS]

  homeowners insurance that's a different [TS]

  that's a different thing and so yeah we [TS]

  have we have the we have we have our [TS]

  jewelry items covered under the [TS]

  homeowners insurance that you know [TS]

  specifically like under like a writer [TS]

  for them but that's very different and [TS]

  way cheaper than 350 dollars for every [TS]

  lap I sure sure [TS]

  is it through and fifty dollars for [TS]

  laptops [TS]

  that I think for the 15 th i think it's [TS]

  300-350 credit on my laptop's when and [TS]

  so with apple like it so the the price [TS]

  of the warranty does not take into [TS]

  account the price of the options when [TS]

  you buy it so like the warranty for the [TS]

  base model mac pro that's three thousand [TS]

  dollars is the exact same price as if [TS]

  you spec it all up make it like nine [TS]

  thousand dollars so if i'm buying lately [TS]

  so for my imac i actually did buy the [TS]

  extended warranty be cause my imac was [TS]

  something like a 4400 configuration it's [TS]

  like that like it as much as you can put [TS]

  into an imac when i bought it two years [TS]

  ago and the end it was priced at [TS]

  something like 200 bucks for the for the [TS]

  similarity so i did buy for that [TS]

  figuring like this is a large thing with [TS]

  everything inside and get this is a [TS]

  really is very small percentage of the [TS]

  cost based on the cost of the whole of [TS]

  the whole item and so I figured like you [TS]

  know the the the risk-reward ratio there [TS]

  was different but on on almost [TS]

  everything else I don't get it because [TS]

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  Marco had an experience today or [TS]

  recently anyway would you like to tell [TS]

  us about that [TS]

  oh I went to microsoft store i'm so [TS]

  sorry i mean really how was it [TS]

  so I was in the mall recently I had some [TS]

  time to kill while my wife and kid but [TS]

  did something else so I when the [TS]

  microsoft store and amazingly there was [TS]

  nobody there [TS]

  really seriously so crowded so I got to [TS]

  play with the big surface to get a [TS]

  display so stark aside i I'm genuinely [TS]

  interested to hear how you thought of [TS]

  this because at a glance this thing does [TS]

  look pretty damn cool we talked about [TS]

  this a few episodes ago i'm curious so [TS]

  did you did you play with the tilt did [TS]

  you play with a little dangly thing tell [TS]

  us all about it so I did I i play with [TS]

  everything so first of all the base is [TS]

  way too light like it they at the base [TS]

  of it interesting that they use these [TS]

  laptop components like you know the [TS]

  people accuse the imac being happy with [TS]

  the imac is kind of a combination of [TS]

  desktop and microphones mostly desktop [TS]

  parts really the the surface to do is [TS]

  really laptop components and the base of [TS]

  it is very small and light it's a lot [TS]

  smaller than you think and kind of [TS]

  unnecessarily so like one of the point [TS]

  of use i have it was like while tilting [TS]

  it would kind of wobble sometimes [TS]

  because it's just like the screen is so [TS]

  much heavier than the base that kinda [TS]

  out of it [TS]

  I don't know why they had to make the [TS]

  base so tight and so tiny and take all [TS]

  the trade-offs of lower power components [TS]

  to do that I think that was probably a [TS]

  mistake but oh well [TS]

  well I think part of their advertising [TS]

  pitches that it's supposed to be easy to [TS]

  move around like it's not supposed to [TS]

  feel like it is rooted in whatever place [TS]

  it is because you get you can imagine [TS]

  having it set up on its vertical like a [TS]

  screen it would be positioned [TS]

  differently than when it's the other way [TS]

  so i think i think they actually have [TS]

  like a lazy susan on the bottom type of [TS]

  things we can rotate I think it's [TS]

  supposed to be light enough that you [TS]

  don't feel like it is anchored to the [TS]

  desk at the place where it's put that's [TS]

  fair okay and and it i mean does feel [TS]

  like you can you move around freely and [TS]

  it really does feel what it feels like a [TS]

  giant tablet it does not feel like a [TS]

  desktop computer so I got to play with [TS]

  the the whatever they call their their [TS]

  stylist and whatever they call the big [TS]

  knob the surface style [TS]

  not sure it depends call but surface [TS]

  style is the the knob cool so I got to [TS]

  play with play with the the big knob [TS]

  well I got to feel the big knob however [TS]

  not improving none of the apps that that [TS]

  I tried which was like something I [TS]

  already forgot what it was and then I [TS]

  spent a lot of time in lightroom and [TS]

  lightroom did not support the big knob [TS]

  so i did not get to get to use it for [TS]

  anything really so i put the big knob [TS]

  down and I just play with the stylus and [TS]

  and using the end and the touchscreen [TS]

  and this is the first time I've I think [TS]

  ever played with a touch screen windows [TS]

  pc oh no I i play with windows 8 1 back [TS]

  into anyway so I have very little [TS]

  experience with touchscreen Windows PCs [TS]

  and i never use like a mod book or [TS]

  anything so I've never tried a mac OS [TS]

  either but I am I do have a lot of [TS]

  students in lightroom and so I figured [TS]

  let me try light rivers it's a program [TS]

  already know how to use let me see how [TS]

  it works on this thing I gotta say I've [TS]

  really liked it and and there are things [TS]

  I didn't like about it but overall it [TS]

  was surprisingly good [TS]

  like even using using touch control in a [TS]

  desktop OS which everyone says is a [TS]

  terrible thing [TS]

  honestly I suggest you try it because it [TS]

  I i'm not entirely sure i'd want to do [TS]

  it full time but to have the option it [TS]

  was kind of cool to be able to to [TS]

  control lightroom this program already [TS]

  know how to use pretty well and people [TS]

  do things like you know when when using [TS]

  a touchscreen you effectively have [TS]

  multiple pointing devices simultaneously [TS]

  so you know when you're sitting here on [TS]

  a desktop using using a mouse you're [TS]

  controlling one mouse cursor and even if [TS]

  you get all fancy like I do when you [TS]

  have a track down the left mouse in the [TS]

  right you have to point devices your [TS]

  sterling also only controlling one mouse [TS]

  pointer and there's only one thing at a [TS]

  time they can have that much pointer you [TS]

  know that there's a lot you only point [TS]

  to one thing that I'm going to click on [TS]

  one thing at a time when you have a [TS]

  touchscreen even the setup environment [TS]

  you effectively have like multiple input [TS]

  points at any given time you can use [TS]

  your different fingers in different [TS]

  hands so it actually was really easy to [TS]

  work in Lightroom very quickly on this [TS]

  thing and I i can see like it would have [TS]

  been a lot better if it was designed for [TS]

  it and I guess this is the case for just [TS]

  big iPads [TS]

  because they are designed for in the [TS]

  star but it was pretty cool like and of [TS]

  course I Eileen the whole thing down i [TS]

  did like the the almost flat on the desk [TS]

  screen arrangement to do most of this I [TS]

  was it wasn't up if it's up it straight [TS]

  up vertical then touching it makes no [TS]

  sense i agree with that but when it's [TS]

  kinda like drafting table angle it [TS]

  actually worked surprisingly well and i [TS]

  still really didn't like any part of [TS]

  windows at all and it I wasn't confused [TS]

  by it really like you know I used was [TS]

  long enough i have a rough idea of the [TS]

  windows vocabulary how to do things [TS]

  because most of it's still the same from [TS]

  from how it was back when I was no [TS]

  winners expert so you know that the [TS]

  Corvette is still the same and so you [TS]

  know most of windows I still don't like [TS]

  however if you are by a computer whose [TS]

  main purpose was to be like a creative [TS]

  work station to run a particular app [TS]

  like lightroom or photoshop or like a [TS]

  video editor if that app runs on Windows [TS]

  without any kind of massive downsides [TS]

  this could be a really compelling option [TS]

  like really if I end and so because [TS]

  Microsoft is positioning it that way [TS]

  they're they're using this as like a [TS]

  creative thing you put in a studio that [TS]

  we were you you're basically buying a [TS]

  workstation you know for the purpose of [TS]

  running like one or two creative apps [TS]

  like as your main thing as your main [TS]

  role for the computer this is actually [TS]

  pretty compelling but I I can really see [TS]

  like it basically what you're doing [TS]

  doesn't really if it doesn't really [TS]

  matter that is running on windows like [TS]

  it's one of the adobe apps it's it's [TS]

  kinda cool and I did have issues with [TS]

  like you know like room has a lot of [TS]

  very tiny interface elements little tiny [TS]

  sliders and everything and what they [TS]

  were a little hard to hit with with the [TS]

  pen sometimes but it wouldn't take a lot [TS]

  of adjustment if adobe really want to [TS]

  put an effort into this to make that [TS]

  really awesome also windows like I I [TS]

  don't know what the deal is windows high [TS]

  DPI mode [TS]

  I know it's a mess but basically like [TS]

  you know with Apple you just 2x [TS]

  everything with retina and everything [TS]

  kind of just worked and developers had [TS]

  to do a little work but not much and it [TS]

  was great with Windows I guess they have [TS]

  like that they have their high DPI motor [TS]

  they can scale to any number [TS]

  pixels and they kind of scale some [TS]

  interface elements but not all of them [TS]

  and so you had like ridiculously tiny [TS]

  little text and tiny little checkboxes [TS]

  in the middle of giant block of [TS]

  interfaces it was very strange yep so [TS]

  obviously up that I decide to but I I [TS]

  tried to run my vm that I was working in [TS]

  a few weeks ago I tried to run that high [TS]

  DPI mode and it was really really bad [TS]

  like some things were tiny like you said [TS]

  some things were the size I expected [TS]

  them to be the fonts were just not built [TS]

  for high DPI like it was just a really [TS]

  crummy experience as compared to the mac [TS]

  where I am NOT trying to be funny but [TS]

  everything really does just work the Mac [TS]

  was gonna be that the way you described [TS]

  windows as for a long time I get to I [TS]

  think I remember I was WBC two thousand [TS]

  seven ish where they were saying come [TS]

  2008 resolution independence as they [TS]

  called it then we'll be here so prepare [TS]

  your apps and then 2008 came and they [TS]

  didn't used to be a little slider in the [TS]

  resolution you go 1 x 1.5 x 2x 3x and [TS]

  you can just move that slide around and [TS]

  watch every interface on your computer [TS]

  break essentially got pixel cracks you [TS]

  got things that are not scaling the [TS]

  right size you get ugly crap [TS]

  it was so smart of them to just spend an [TS]

  extra few years fair figure out how to [TS]

  make like that they weren't going to [TS]

  ship it in a state where somebody could [TS]

  configure their mac to look this gross [TS]

  and so eventually the solution came up [TS]

  as we all know is this 2x4 it's nothing [TS]

  and even that was hard enough to get [TS]

  everyone on board with but at least one [TS]

  that works it works right and [TS]

  predictably yeah that Apple definitely [TS]

  been on the right side of history and [TS]

  that one that the end because windows is [TS]

  very much suffering from this anyway so [TS]

  yeah there's issues with windows for [TS]

  sure and and again like I wouldn't be [TS]

  interested at all in this computer if I [TS]

  wanted to if I wanted to be like a [TS]

  general-purpose computer or my main [TS]

  computer but again if I were building a [TS]

  computer whose sole purpose was to be [TS]

  like a photo editing workstation i would [TS]

  really give this serious consideration [TS]

  because it really was surprisingly good [TS]

  and I went in there all thinking you [TS]

  know a lot let me like taking mental [TS]

  notes and how much everything sucks i [TS]

  can be funny on the show but no it [TS]

  actually is good like and I yeah I [TS]

  wouldn't I wouldn't you [TS]

  no I wouldn't say it was it was terrible [TS]

  if it wasn't and here i am saying it's [TS]

  not terrible it really it like if you [TS]

  can tolerate windows in general it's a [TS]

  really cool computer so what was the [TS]

  pending latency like did you doing like [TS]

  drawing in any of the drawing i know [TS]

  that's a lot of that app dependent as it [TS]

  isn't the ipad for example how notes on [TS]

  the ipad is like perfect and many [TS]

  drawing apps like I don't like a pro [TS]

  create or paper a lot of those attending [TS]

  or brush using your leggy but anyway [TS]

  that one of the complaints that I heard [TS]

  about the service studio is that the [TS]

  parallax was a little bit off like these [TS]

  the guys at the glam distance between [TS]

  the the glass that you touch and the [TS]

  place where the pixels are was enough to [TS]

  make it feel weird and also that some [TS]

  people said it feels like in certain [TS]

  situations the the parallax glass gap [TS]

  thing is a real problem it i didn't use [TS]

  it for any kind of drawing i really only [TS]

  use it for like sighs some apple [TS]

  launched by two seconds and I could I [TS]

  can figure out and then I just want to [TS]

  like rumors that you had to use that [TS]

  button so i was mainly using the pen [TS]

  tool i dragged around sliders and stuff [TS]

  so for that basically using it as a as a [TS]

  precision mouse pointer it's great and [TS]

  and in fact i really enjoyed doing that [TS]

  because like in the same hand that I had [TS]

  the pen in here i have his fingers doing [TS]

  nothing and so if i wanted to like you [TS]

  know you do like the one of the pictures [TS]

  just my other fingers it mostly worked [TS]

  great and like palm recognition was [TS]

  great [TS]

  distinguishing between pen and touch was [TS]

  great there was I don't think in my [TS]

  panic i pray you sir for 10 minutes [TS]

  I don't think there was a single time [TS]

  when it misinterpreted one of my inputs [TS]

  like it seemed like it was really really [TS]

  quite good at that for latency is tough [TS]

  to judge because remember when the ipad [TS]

  pro came out with the pencil latency [TS]

  varies a lot by the application it you [TS]

  know really depends a lot of what you're [TS]

  doing in the app so it was easy with the [TS]

  Apple pencil that you know to to be like [TS]

  oh you can measure with notes example [TS]

  did a lot of work to make notes really [TS]

  fast and I with the note sketching thing [TS]

  you can also go and look at one of the [TS]

  fancier our taps their brushes were way [TS]

  slower and wail a gear on the same [TS]

  hardware at the same time just give [TS]

  their apples and as optimizer it was [TS]

  doing way more complex rendering and so [TS]

  I I can't really judge the surface to do [TS]

  in that way [TS]

  I can judge how how the pen was an ass [TS]

  pointer to adjust sliders in lightroom [TS]

  and it was great and it was also really [TS]

  nice to have like the pen slider in my [TS]

  right hand you know that depending on [TS]

  the slider my right hand and using my [TS]

  left hand to pinch and zoom and pan [TS]

  around the photos editing as i drag the [TS]

  slider i mean again like to have that [TS]

  kind of multiple input multiple [TS]

  multifunction having multiple pointing [TS]

  devices is really compelling when it's [TS]

  done well and I i have never felt that [TS]

  productive on an iPad mostly because [TS]

  like you know the the kind of apps I use [TS]

  for high-end creative needs aren't [TS]

  really on the ipad yes there's like [TS]

  romantic but it's kinda crappy it's not [TS]

  really the same thing and also like [TS]

  that's not you know it's the hardware is [TS]

  not quite up to speed to to manage like [TS]

  giant photos and stuff like that so like [TS]

  iPads don't get this kind of use from me [TS]

  and from from i think most people who [TS]

  are dealing with this high-end creative [TS]

  use right now but in the future if there [TS]

  is a huge ipad that even you know even [TS]

  bigger the point you know that like now [TS]

  I finally get why you would want to [TS]

  giant iPad like even bigger than fine [TS]

  like why you want to 27 I finally [TS]

  understand that now you know it would be [TS]

  a desktop and it would be fine like I I [TS]

  totally get it so overall without [TS]

  drawing without too much longer I really [TS]

  just I just wanted to say like I was [TS]

  blown away by how good it was and i'm [TS]

  not going to go out and buy one because [TS]

  i really have a need in my life for a [TS]

  like single-purpose workstation computer [TS]

  that's like a lightroom station like i [TS]

  don't i don't need that [TS]

  but if i needed that I'd probably buy [TS]

  one of these all my arguing off forever [TS]

  over so many episodes so many hours and [TS]

  the thing that convinced you is going to [TS]

  microsoft store using one and not even [TS]

  drawing on it [TS]

  there you go tigers on store I can't [TS]

  just hand thing and you say you know [TS]

  what I want to do I want to don't want [TS]

  to use the pen as a mouse cursor in life [TS]

  and application is not even optimized [TS]

  for touch but hey whatever works for you [TS]

  whatever works too i guess I just wasn't [TS]

  convincing as it should have pictures it [TS]

  think of this mark [TS]

  imagine if using Lightroom a non-touch [TS]

  optimized app and use the pen is a mouse [TS]

  now would you buy one [TS]

  yeah now i find that convincing know [TS]

  honestly like really you know it's it's [TS]

  very tactile until I actually did it and [TS]

  and you [TS]

  used it and tried and and especially [TS]

  because i was using an app but i already [TS]

  had to use i was already fast with i was [TS]

  able to really see how much this kind of [TS]

  interaction can help because I wasn't [TS]

  just trying to figure out a brand-new [TS]

  after the first time I'm stumbling [TS]

  around going off slow and do this is [TS]

  because not only was actually you know [TS]

  going through things that I do in this [TS]

  app things already know how to do and [TS]

  and workflows that I have i'll try this [TS]

  then do this then do this way I could I [TS]

  could get it get an idea of like is this [TS]

  is actually more productive is this you [TS]

  know is doing what the upside for the [TS]

  downsides and honestly I had a hard time [TS]

  finding downsides the daily downsize [TS]

  windows so you're gonna make your all [TS]

  your audio editor application for [TS]

  Windows now the surface to do because [TS]

  imagine how awesome that would be as I [TS]

  said many times your audio editing [TS]

  application on the big giant touchscreen [TS]

  i have actually thought about like it i [TS]

  saw i don't know work on your idea [TS]

  better so far guy i have a conference in [TS]

  my head yeah but I've done no actual [TS]

  coding so the options totally open of [TS]

  where i would actually do this if I ever [TS]

  choose to do it and my main debate point [TS]

  in my head was like should i do this on [TS]

  the ipad or on the mac and I've been [TS]

  leaning towards Mac but I i gotta say [TS]

  the the appeal of doing this kind of [TS]

  thing with multi-touch it is something [TS]

  and maybe the touch bar on the Mac would [TS]

  be enough [TS]

  I don't know but but i do think it is [TS]

  worth four for all of us in in the mac [TS]

  commenters fear who I apologize [TS]

  whoo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo written off the [TS]

  idea of touch screens on the desktop [TS]

  like you know it's easy to just kinda [TS]

  like repeat the kind of kind of the [TS]

  company line where the party line of [TS]

  like no you that's a bad idea you [TS]

  shouldn't like we don't need that the [TS]

  desktop system does have nobody to touch [TS]

  screen pc i think that is that is a bad [TS]

  assumption it is possible to do this [TS]

  well and Microsoft already almost has if [TS]

  the software ecosystem was better on [TS]

  Windows it would be incredible [TS]

  it's not because and the software [TS]

  systems kind of thing that doesn't you [TS]

  know that doesn't turn on a dime a dozen [TS]

  all the sudden become perfect you know [TS]

  in in six months just because microsoft [TS]

  releases one desktop the very few people [TS]

  probably by but [TS]

  I don't think we can say with confidence [TS]

  that Apple should never do something [TS]

  like the surface studio interesting you [TS]

  just say I'm right that's all right [TS]

  you're gonna shut this hashtag John's [TS]

  right arm was right again go ahead by a [TS]

  so how funny would it be if it ends up [TS]

  that during the run of the show like [TS]

  neutral had the Ark of you deciding upon [TS]

  purchasing and receiving an m5 is the [TS]

  Ark of the accidental text podcast for [TS]

  me to finally abandoned dotnet and [TS]

  windows only to have you go crawling [TS]

  back to windows and then suddenly become [TS]

  Hittite net developer because that would [TS]

  be funny [TS]

  I i was saying that Microsoft wants to [TS]

  send review units my nine-year-old [TS]

  daughter loves to draw with love to try [TS]

  out a surface to do [TS]

  yes because I'm sure so many Microsoft [TS]

  employees listen to the show you a lot [TS]

  of nine-year-olds have [TS]

  three-thousand-dollar 28 inch tablet [TS]

  computers that's better at all the kids [TS]

  have these days [TS]

  the other thing is like if i were to buy [TS]

  it like if I wanted 144 my stated i [TS]

  stated idea of like having it be a [TS]

  lightroom workstation I would want a [TS]

  more powerful computer for it like i [TS]

  would i would much rather hear what [TS]

  service studio pro right like i would [TS]

  much rather have the the monitor part [TS]

  just be a monitor that I could plug into [TS]

  any pc and then by like a ridiculous [TS]

  xeon workstation with like 12 cores and [TS]

  and have that be my crazy importer and [TS]

  processor because lightroom is very well [TS]

  paralyzed for all of its operations and [TS]

  then would actually use that power and [TS]

  really needs extra speed so that's that [TS]

  is it one it's a little odd that they [TS]

  don't have like a standard option yet [TS]

  but i would imagine like if for some [TS]

  reason a lot of people buy this thing [TS]

  maybe they'll go that direction released [TS]

  as a product and you know the good thing [TS]

  about the windows ecosystem is that [TS]

  other people could basically do that and [TS]

  it would probably be alright so what you [TS]

  need is a xeon pcz on workstation that [TS]

  comes in a case it looks identical to [TS]

  one of your weird German amplifier [TS]

  thingamabobber that you've already got [TS]

  on your desk so you just good looking at [TS]

  different the only difference is you [TS]

  just take your screen and tilt it down [TS]

  and wax on kvm with your toe or [TS]

  something all of a sudden you're running [TS]

  off of your aluminum amplifier tube [TS]

  thing that's really a pc yeah maybe so [TS]

  question for you having experienced this [TS]

  touchscreen p [TS]

  see which I think it is important to [TS]

  note that that if its pitch the way an [TS]

  imac is pitched it you said that you [TS]

  didn't really care for the touch screen [TS]

  features that way only when it was in [TS]

  kind of diesel motor or drafting table [TS]

  mode is that fair [TS]

  yeah okay so that being said now that [TS]

  you've seen a touchscreen pc and said [TS]

  yeah maybe it's not so bad [TS]

  does that change your opinion on the [TS]

  touch bar for better for worse or [TS]

  otherwise i still think it's way too [TS]

  early to say so and it also very much [TS]

  depends on the app and and what they're [TS]

  using the touch bar for you know in in [TS]

  my YouTube review like comment subscribe [TS]

  my main focus on the touch bar is it is [TS]

  it is not good as a row of buttons if I [TS]

  have to look at it I have failed the [TS]

  touch bars best as a sliding door [TS]

  panting surface you know and it does [TS]

  support multitouch like a sport so you [TS]

  could do a pinch gesture on it but you [TS]

  could also just on the trackpad below so [TS]

  it kinda like a I don't know like how it [TS]

  again [TS]

  again [TS]

  depends on the app i don't know like [TS]

  what makes sense to do in the touch bar [TS]

  versus using the trackpad if you know [TS]

  some apps you know as I mentioned it's [TS]

  nice to have multiple simultaneous touch [TS]

  input surfaces so one thing you could do [TS]

  is have your left hand on the touch bar [TS]

  have your right hand the trackpad and [TS]

  have that be two different inputs for [TS]

  you know things like panning a timeline [TS]

  vs moving the playhead like stuff like [TS]

  that is all sorts of of stuff you could [TS]

  do in in creative pro apps and lots of [TS]

  apps to make use of that it's way too [TS]

  early to tell for sure now what works [TS]

  and what doesn't [TS]

  long-term but certainly meet my [TS]

  immediate upfront impression might my [TS]

  early youth impression of the touch bar [TS]

  is if its row of buttons i never use it [TS]

  but when it's used as some kind of big [TS]

  slider that is that is nice so we'll see [TS]

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  so it's tomorrow which means by the time [TS]

  you're listening to this today or [TS]

  perhaps yesterday that Super Mario run [TS]

  has been released to the App Store and I [TS]

  hope you're not getting on an airplane [TS]

  because you won't be able to play it [TS]

  because it is online only you must [TS]

  maintain a connection to the internet in [TS]

  order to play what what is that about [TS]

  the theories about what that's about our [TS]

  copy protection you know so everything [TS]

  is pirated the app stores and the theory [TS]

  goes that it is slightly harder to [TS]

  pirate it when you have to also deal [TS]

  with a phone home features that you have [TS]

  to bypass in addition to cracking the [TS]

  whatever you know to get it illegally [TS]

  I'm not entirely sure if I by that I [TS]

  mean historically nintendo has been [TS]

  really not smart about copy protection [TS]

  in that they will do things that they [TS]

  think are saving them from piracy when [TS]

  really like that the decrease in piracy [TS]

  is not a good match for the pain that [TS]

  they put regular users true like [TS]

  Nintendo makes really bad trade-offs [TS]

  that historically you can't entirely [TS]

  discount Terry even though practically [TS]

  speaking it doesn't seem like it would [TS]

  do anything except to make it slightly [TS]

  more difficult to pirate it and I think [TS]

  there's a lot of motivation to pirate [TS]

  this thing because it's gonna be popular [TS]

  second one you can't really discount is [TS]

  just plain not going to saying [TS]

  competence but like there is an online [TS]

  component to the game just having it be [TS]

  online all the time as a simplification [TS]

  friend development and it could have [TS]

  just been maybe they didn't think it [TS]

  would be a big deal and they [TS]

  miscalculated and it's simpler to do [TS]

  this way anyway and they will you know [TS]

  this one's different situations where if [TS]

  it's not some wrongheaded misguided [TS]

  notion about piracy that they will [TS]

  update the game eventually to allow [TS]

  offline play maybe you have it's like [TS]

  six months to a year from now that they [TS]

  will update when they get around to it [TS]

  they just didn't get around to it and [TS]

  well you know they will do a slow-motion [TS]

  reconsideration so yeah we messed up is [TS]

  what what is the third option is there [TS]

  any third explanation for online-only [TS]

  besides the competence and [TS]

  wrongheaded ideas about piracy analytics [TS]

  I guess dynamic content you can always [TS]

  do that periodically yeah i mean anyway [TS]

  the bottom line is it's I don't think it [TS]

  will affect the game because people are [TS]

  going to buy based on the brand it may [TS]

  affect how satisfied people are with the [TS]

  game so that when content comes out with [TS]

  its second game they will have to [TS]

  emphasize the fact that you're able to [TS]

  run it offline but yeah it does it does [TS]

  not seem like it in 10 don't very often [TS]

  find some weights to do something silly [TS]

  with every one of the things that should [TS]

  be should appear win so I don't think it [TS]

  will affect the fortunes of this game [TS]

  just because there's so much pent-up [TS]

  demand for something Nintendo but [TS]

  besides pokemon and you know something [TS]

  mary on on iOS so I think that sometimes [TS]

  I think what is the price gonna be 10 [TS]

  bucks i believe so yeah so I think [TS]

  they'll do just fine with it but it big [TS]

  yeah it's it's pretty it's not a good [TS]

  idea to have this thing be online only [TS]

  that's just just going to annoy people [TS]

  yeah and they're there was a great [TS]

  discussion about this on connected this [TS]

  week and one of the things that Mike was [TS]

  saying is like putting out if this is a [TS]

  huge thing like these kind of casual [TS]

  quickplay one-handed play games for four [TS]

  phones are really often used for people [TS]

  who are commuting like on a subway [TS]

  underground or who are flying in a plane [TS]

  like it's very often used while [TS]

  traveling commuting and there's gonna be [TS]

  so many times where people would play [TS]

  this game like an everyday subway [TS]

  commute where your underground you got [TS]

  no connection and you just can't play it [TS]

  and that's really unfortunate [TS]

  yeah I wonder if it's gonna be a wonder [TS]

  you know it will it take not launch or [TS]

  what does it want to phone home [TS]

  periodically and you can play for some [TS]

  period of time then eventually will [TS]

  complain to you that peasant phone tone [TS]

  oh I don't know how what the mechanism [TS]

  is going to be like good it's even i [TS]

  have a hard time believing that the game [TS]

  won't even launch without a connection [TS]

  but who knows [TS]

  I mean it's Nintendo's first tried this [TS]

  and maybe they just totally messed up by [TS]

  thinking the entire world as connected [TS]

  as Japan's or something I don't know [TS]

  that it just definitely seems like a [TS]

  miscalculation especially since this is [TS]

  not a paid upfront game so it's not as [TS]

  if it's like well we've got your money [TS]

  they don't they they want you to buy the [TS]

  unlock [TS]

  and you're not going to buy the unlock [TS]

  it the first two times you try to play [TS]

  it it's a sorry can't play because [TS]

  you're offline [TS]

  just try it i mean back in the day you [TS]

  know I know Marco that you were a second [TS]

  kind of guy but I was a nintendo kind of [TS]

  guy when I was a kid and had everything [TS]

  from the original nes all the way [TS]

  through the Nintendo 64 and then [TS]

  eventually we this is something that [TS]

  should appeal to me and so I'm anxious [TS]

  to try it but it and I don't expect this [TS]

  online only thing is really gonna bother [TS]

  me much but I do think it's a bomber and [TS]

  I would not put it past nintendo like [TS]

  you said job to just be silly about this [TS]

  decision and just not realizing that [TS]

  this is more harm than good [TS]

  but easy for me to say i have to say [TS]

  that the Nintendo doesn't feel like they [TS]

  have doctors that was gonna say mastery [TS]

  but i would say they don't even have a [TS]

  handle on the mobile gaming yet because [TS]

  all they have is another one game with a [TS]

  partner that in develop their niantic or [TS]

  whatever play the Pokemon go thing which [TS]

  is a second cut an idea that they've [TS]

  already tried once and it does take [TS]

  advantage of things that are uniquely [TS]

  mobile expect you walk around with it [TS]

  and stuff like that so come on goes is a [TS]

  pretty good job and takes advantage of [TS]

  some unique things but this game itself [TS]

  was a little bit buggy and sketching the [TS]

  beginning anyway that was a nintendo and [TS]

  this i forget his nintendo doing isn't [TS]

  the in-house or is it is also outsource [TS]

  to to somebody but either way this game [TS]

  the what it looks like yeah it's got [TS]

  Nintendo's graphics has gotten tens IP [TS]

  i'm sure we'll play well but terms of [TS]

  what it is it's one of those you know [TS]

  tap the screen myers running all on his [TS]

  own you're tapping the screen to make a [TS]

  job and stuff like that which is fine as [TS]

  far as it goes but i find myself [TS]

  thinking about when I think about games [TS]

  that have stood out to me on iOS I don't [TS]

  you know super re-run is not is not in [TS]

  the top tier i think of something from a [TS]

  developer that really really seem to [TS]

  understand both i think the context of [TS]

  multiple gaming and the things that you [TS]

  know playing to its strength avoiding [TS]

  its weaknesses i think of things like [TS]

  you know out those adventure which but [TS]

  on the surface seemed so it's always not [TS]

  the same thing this thing just goes and [TS]

  you tap a button to make anything happen [TS]

  it's like a single tap gaming type [TS]

  experience and maybe it's because the [TS]

  internet doesn't have any IP that fit [TS]

  with that type of thing without those [TS]

  adventure is just so much stronger [TS]

  statement on understanding what's good [TS]

  about iOS gaming or something like what [TS]

  is wrong with either walking around on [TS]

  the thing invalid yeah monument valley [TS]

  that one taking the idea that one of one [TS]

  of the things that the mobile gaming [TS]

  houses that you're holding this little [TS]

  world in your hands if you just put a [TS]

  mostly static screen on there like it's [TS]

  a little diorama and it's like a little [TS]

  world of answering moving things around [TS]

  it's also different contexts where as [TS]

  Nintendo primary are running [TS]

  horizontally in the 2d worlds like [TS]

  that's the old context like that may be [TS]

  okay [TS]

  even the real in infinite runners take [TS]

  more advantage of mobile there are more [TS]

  sort of mobile native miss like so [TS]

  nintendo taking its existing properties [TS]

  and finding a way that you can play them [TS]

  by putting one finger on the screen [TS]

  periodically that's all well and good [TS]

  but where is the Nintendo equivalent of [TS]

  of those adventure or even you know the [TS]

  local year Walker what I just like I [TS]

  feel like there are they haven't [TS]

  mastered the platform yet and if they're [TS]

  ever going to make it really great iOS [TS]

  game and they have to start developing [TS]

  for it not as like a come-on for you to [TS]

  buy the real intendo games which is what [TS]

  these currently are at this point but [TS]

  you know getting their developers to [TS]

  really understand this platform and [TS]

  producing something that will last in [TS]

  our collective memory and be as well [TS]

  regarded as the best iOS games [TS]

  yeah agreed fair enough so let's try did [TS]

  not take this tutu- a place but apples [TS]

  made a curious choice with the new [TS]

  Sierra update for laptops for every [TS]

  laptop [TS]

  apparently the battery life meter has [TS]

  never been accurate we didn't realize [TS]

  this until people were dissatisfied with [TS]

  not reaching the claimed battery [TS]

  capacity [TS]

  here length on their brand new macbook [TS]

  pros but suddenly surely it's it's not [TS]

  because of that but suddenly it's turned [TS]

  out that the battery life meter is [TS]

  totally inaccurate and it's been removed [TS]

  hmm so I I don't know what's making this [TS]

  like mind my initial inclination is oh [TS]

  we're just trying to sweep under the rug [TS]

  the fact that these computers don't get [TS]

  the battery life we said they did my [TS]

  second thought of this is well your [TS]

  battery life is just a guess right i [TS]

  mean we don't see on an iOS device how [TS]

  much time remaining we have on our [TS]

  battery we see a percentage for sure but [TS]

  we don't see a time estimate and and so [TS]

  I I i want to land in a place where this [TS]

  is not enough arias is really the word [TS]

  i'm looking forward especially i can [TS]

  come up with that it's not a various and [TS]

  I I I really feel like the Apple [TS]

  community and maybe just geeks in [TS]

  general tend to land on the nefarious [TS]

  point of view a little too easily but [TS]

  golly I'm struggling to figure out a way [TS]

  where this is not just trying to sweep a [TS]

  different problem under the rug so I'm [TS]

  not gonna farias if you think about this [TS]

  is a sneaky evil thing that's always but [TS]

  but like I in encompassed in the word of [TS]

  a nefarious is a certain effectiveness [TS]

  that I think is not inherent in the [TS]

  solution in other words various a team [TS]

  to steal the jewels should end with you [TS]

  having the jewels if this is a nefarious [TS]

  to address concerns about battery life [TS]

  is not particularly nefarious because [TS]

  it's that it like I PR wise like I just [TS]

  safer for all 2016 let's just say Apple [TS]

  has not covered himself in glory in [TS]

  terms of product right [TS]

  the film and this move it [TS]

  I I don't see how there is a positive [TS]

  outcome for this for Apple regardless of [TS]

  the motivation say the motivation [TS]

  it has nothing to do with the new [TS]

  laptops like it just seems like a net [TS]

  negative no matter how I slice it and so [TS]

  if it was if it is a change meant to [TS]

  address a customer concerns [TS]

  no matter what that customer concern is [TS]

  I honestly don't see how getting rid of [TS]

  it will help now i understand it and [TS]

  kind of naive sort of just very sort of [TS]

  one-sided view of the world and that the [TS]

  battery meter is not accurate [TS]

  the holidays are coming we don't have [TS]

  time to fix it to stop people from [TS]

  seeing inaccurate information remove it [TS]

  with the idea that will fix it and put [TS]

  it back but we don't have time now but i [TS]

  don't think you can you would think [TS]

  about that solution for any period of [TS]

  time until you realize that doesn't [TS]

  really help like that but what makes [TS]

  things worse probably like if it's not [TS]

  working and we're going to fix it then [TS]

  fix it if you don't have time to fix it [TS]

  now fix it later if you don't want to [TS]

  fix it later because people are upset [TS]

  now issue a statement but removing it [TS]

  especially since that information is [TS]

  available elsewhere in the US and [TS]

  through third-party apps anyway and it [TS]

  just seems like not a good move PR wise [TS]

  again regardless of the motivation even [TS]

  motivations are entirely pure of like we [TS]

  realize there's a problem with the new [TS]

  macs and that meter and it's showing bed [TS]

  information right because it doesn't it [TS]

  doesn't solve a problem with customers [TS]

  have it might solve a problem apple has [TS]

  in terms of support requests and Apple [TS]

  might think it solves a perception [TS]

  problem although i really doubt it does [TS]

  but does it solve a customer problem i [TS]

  guess maybe the customer problem might [TS]

  be solving is like Marcos insistence on [TS]

  not having badges on his application to [TS]

  tell you about how many things you [TS]

  haven't done them to remove anxiety but [TS]

  it really depends because unlike [TS]

  notifications to tell you how many [TS]

  unread things you have in instapaper [TS]

  whatever if you hide the time remaining [TS]

  for someone who's used to constantly [TS]

  looking up to see the time remaining [TS]

  all you've done is replace one anxiety [TS]

  with another the new anxiety is I have [TS]

  know how much I i have no idea how much [TS]

  time I've ever made [TS]

  normally I know how much time I have [TS]

  remaining really doubt that it's looking [TS]

  at a number that's like a random guess [TS]

  not right that is it is an estimate [TS]

  based on current whatever like but it's [TS]

  not remove the anxiety because not as if [TS]

  when they glanced up there and don't see [TS]

  the time remaining they're gonna relax [TS]

  and say oh I guess I don't have to worry [TS]

  about anymore know they're gonna be like [TS]

  but what is the time [TS]

  getting launched activity monitor and [TS]

  check not not a wise decision apple i [TS]

  think and the best thing for them to do [TS]

  is if the number is misleading or [TS]

  inaccurate or problematic in some way [TS]

  make it better [TS]

  yeah this there are a number of of [TS]

  separate issues here and I think if we [TS]

  get we need to be careful to talk about [TS]

  them separately into not like you know [TS]

  let them bleed into each other where [TS]

  they don't need to because that's a [TS]

  quick way to just lose a discussion and [TS]

  and and get sidetracked [TS]

  so there's multiple problems here [TS]

  problem number one is the battery [TS]

  estimate meter what can be and sometimes [TS]

  is inaccurate but i have i've actually [TS]

  found it you know i've been using apple [TS]

  laptops for more than a decade now and i [TS]

  have found the battery meter to be a [TS]

  pretty good rough estimate [TS]

  it's not like it says you get two hours [TS]

  and you actually get 10 it's not off by [TS]

  that much [TS]

  it's you it usually gives you a pretty [TS]

  good estimate of the number of hours you [TS]

  will roughly get if you if you continue [TS]

  using the computer the way you using it [TS]

  right now or and the way you have been [TS]

  using it for the last few minutes so [TS]

  that's the bit that mental model that [TS]

  you just described [TS]

  I don't know if everyone else has the [TS]

  same mental not sure what you described [TS]

  is how most you know longtime mac users [TS]

  use it was just like it was just what [TS]

  you said you look up with that number [TS]

  and then what the number is trying to [TS]

  tell you because it's not an [TS]

  instantaneous measurement that I was [TS]

  trying to tell you is if you keep doing [TS]

  what you've been doing in the recent [TS]

  past we think this is what you're gonna [TS]

  get and you and I and most people use [TS]

  that number to say oh I better not keep [TS]

  doing whatever the hell I'm doing [TS]

  because my time like in other words we [TS]

  are never surprised when the number goes [TS]

  up right because we understand why goes [TS]

  up so it's because I quit that [TS]

  application or I stop that render [TS]

  whatever I was doing [TS]

  of course the numbers gonna pop I think [TS]

  regular people when they look at that [TS]

  number and it says X and then half an [TS]

  hour later they look at the number and [TS]

  it says X plus 50 minutes are perplexed [TS]

  and don't understand how that could be [TS]

  the case and start thinking that it's [TS]

  not right so i think the number is that [TS]

  I think that readout is it's not [TS]

  conveying the mental your mental model [TS]

  happens to match the way it works but i [TS]

  don't think the number itself on its own [TS]

  conveys that the view so i think the [TS]

  number is problematic [TS]

  it is well it's problematic as as it was [TS]

  displayed before as if its treated as [TS]

  fact [TS]

  so it's for example it's problematic to [TS]

  give to give minute level precision on [TS]

  that estimate because it is that [TS]

  accurate is not it isn't gonna tell you [TS]

  like oh your life is going to die in [TS]

  exactly 6 hours and 37 minutes like no [TS]

  that's that's not what's going to happen [TS]

  but the value that it had before in in [TS]

  giving you a rough estimate of what you [TS]

  have left it again like even if the [TS]

  granularity is number of hours you have [TS]

  left that is actually pretty accurate [TS]

  for a lot of people uses and so we have [TS]

  a number of problems combining here to [TS]

  make to make apple had to take action [TS]

  here one of them is I think pretty [TS]

  clearly the reviews have all been [TS]

  stating have all basically agreed and [TS]

  the customers not you not just crazy [TS]

  reviewers but actual customers have all [TS]

  kind of scene like you know I'm not [TS]

  really getting more than like five to [TS]

  seven hours of battery life on this 10 [TS]

  hour battery life laptop that's that's [TS]

  been a pretty common thing people said i [TS]

  have my personal experience matches that [TS]

  pretty well [TS]

  the other problem is as I mentioned [TS]

  before modern laptops the the main ways [TS]

  they've gotten more efficient as Piper [TS]

  is by reducing the amount of power they [TS]

  use when they're not doing much and when [TS]

  they're when they're really doing a lot [TS]

  or the GPUs on whatever else the the top [TS]

  of that power range they can reach is [TS]

  actually not move very much and they've [TS]

  gotten smaller lighter by tricking the [TS]

  batteries by by assuming a bunch of idle [TS]

  power there are a bunch of idle time but [TS]

  again if you push them if you make them [TS]

  do anything they're still using as much [TS]

  higher powers they used to [TS]

  so basically as we keep making the [TS]

  advancements in making idle power lower [TS]

  and lower and lower but keeping active [TS]

  power kind of the same what we're seeing [TS]

  is a aim and increasing difference in [TS]

  real-world battery life depending on [TS]

  what you're doing so it used to be like [TS]

  you know it back in the olden days of [TS]

  like you know the the core duo and [TS]

  the pet and the g4 everything back in [TS]

  those early days when we had made all [TS]

  these advances in idle power reduction [TS]

  the difference in how much battery life [TS]

  your computer would get if you're [TS]

  pushing it hard for the future just [TS]

  browsing the web was a pretty small [TS]

  difference relatively speaking to do it [TS]

  today maybe if you were really gentle on [TS]

  it you might get like fifty percent or [TS]

  75% hundred percent more battery life [TS]

  whereas today if you're like using the [TS]

  cpu hard or if you're playing a game vs [TS]

  if you're browsing the web and doing [TS]

  nothing else in the background that [TS]

  difference could be the difference [TS]

  between 90 minutes and 11 hours of [TS]

  battery life it's so ridiculous but [TS]

  you're right it had those are real [TS]

  numbers like this actually happens like [TS]

  it's just surprising like the difference [TS]

  is vast now depending on what you're [TS]

  doing and so that factor has such as [TS]

  overtime made the battery meter less [TS]

  accurate so there is no because as what [TS]

  you do changes like if if you have just [TS]

  spent three hours browsing the web and [TS]

  safari with no pages that triggered [TS]

  WebGL then great you're all set [TS]

  but then if you go and and somebody [TS]

  sends you a message effect and the GPU [TS]

  turns on and something else tries to [TS]

  keep GPU or for some other reason than [TS]

  all and and then at the same time like a [TS]

  time machine backup starts and and [TS]

  photos decides to analyze some photos [TS]

  for you like then you could be your your [TS]

  estimate for the last three hours on the [TS]

  stuff was happening my told you have [TS]

  five more hours left [TS]

  but now all the sudden because your [TS]

  computer doing things that use way more [TS]

  power than B then what you're doing [TS]

  before you might only have one hour left [TS]

  that's why the effectively fixing it [TS]

  like the idea I got the numbers bad [TS]

  fixing fixing it doesn't mean just make [TS]

  it put a better number because there is [TS]

  no better number because you can't [TS]

  predict the future fixing it probably [TS]

  means changing it from something that [TS]

  tells you a supposed amount of time [TS]

  remaining to something that graphically [TS]

  displays memory like I like a burndown [TS]

  graph for usage over time like you have [TS]

  to [TS]

  you'd like to see your representation [TS]

  lets you know you were using energy at [TS]

  this rate here is your total energy that [TS]

  you have you were using at this rate the [TS]

  more recently you be using at this rate [TS]

  and therefore like here's the rest of [TS]

  the time [TS]

  like some kind of graph or something [TS]

  yeah some other representation that the [TS]

  probably doesn't fit in the menu bar [TS]

  maybe you can do it is a sparkline but [TS]

  then you click on to get a bigger thing [TS]

  because that's you know like you said [TS]

  the it with this with this chain with [TS]

  this increase in the difference between [TS]

  idol and active power is ever-increasing [TS]

  difference it becomes almost impossible [TS]

  to ever put a single number of its [TS]

  representative because the the [TS]

  variabilities too much suit by fixing it [TS]

  i mean give the people using the [TS]

  customer problem is I have to know how [TS]

  long I have left and should i do [TS]

  something differently to change that [TS]

  right and and also like people don't [TS]

  know what they should do differently [TS]

  right so you need to give them feedback [TS]

  did quitting that app helping our let me [TS]

  go look click the menu bar icon and see [TS]

  the graph and see like some line level [TS]

  out or something or not like that's [TS]

  that's the customer problem is i gotta [TS]

  know how long I have been fine if I need [TS]

  to stretch it if i need to you know get [TS]

  a little bit more time out of it i'm [TS]

  going to try a bunch of random crap [TS]

  hopefully the the energy saver menu will [TS]

  tell me like what chaps are using a lot [TS]

  of energy like that feature they had a [TS]

  mattress or whatever [TS]

  hopefully I'll take some action based on [TS]

  that and then have confirmation from [TS]

  this thing that tells me oh yes you've [TS]

  you've now change things so that looks [TS]

  like you're you're back on track and [TS]

  doing that with a single number that [TS]

  fluctuates up and down i think is not as [TS]

  useful as some other thing that gives a [TS]

  historic forward and backward [TS]

  perspective on things [TS]

  John only you would want to burn down [TS]

  chart for your battery power marketing [TS]

  know what that is [TS]

  nope not even though not at all alright [TS]

  spines in the parking lot [TS]

  ya know so like so basically i see the [TS]

  line of thinking that could lead Apple [TS]

  to think we should just get rid of this [TS]

  meter because it's not very accurate [TS]

  anymore but it has a lot of value and so [TS]

  to to completely get rid of it eat you [TS]

  because like if you look at the [TS]

  percentage all you know is where my [TS]

  battery is right now but on something [TS]

  that gets one and a half to 12 hours of [TS]

  battery life that percentage is not very [TS]

  useful you know like it's going to the [TS]

  graph in your head you have to be like [TS]

  alright looked at five minutes ago and [TS]

  it was this number and i looked at now [TS]

  is this [TS]

  number and so I make that the slope of [TS]

  that line like you're doing the graph in [TS]

  your head right and so II it is very [TS]

  very helpful and this is not just to [TS]

  keep things I I don't want to hear [TS]

  people saying regular people don't need [TS]

  the the estimate know anybody who uses a [TS]

  laptop on battery power and wanted to [TS]

  last a whole flight or a whole day or [TS]

  whole span often needs to know and I [TS]

  going to make it [TS]

  given what i'm doing like it is my [TS]

  battery enough like that is the problem [TS]

  of the modern age is my battery going to [TS]

  make it so that you know this is this is [TS]

  a real problem for a lot of people in a [TS]

  lot of situations so to have something [TS]

  that can indicate whether your battery's [TS]

  going to make it is very useful and [TS]

  while the time estimate is is it has [TS]

  never been perfect and as discussed is [TS]

  actually less perfect over time it is [TS]

  something and they replaced it with [TS]

  nothing that the percentage meter does [TS]

  not replace the need to note for you to [TS]

  know am I probably gonna make it or not [TS]

  it doesn't it is not good enough and [TS]

  it's different it's different with [TS]

  laptop first fund his phones are so easy [TS]

  to carry extra batteries for laptops [TS]

  really aren't you know that the whole [TS]

  USBC future that will eventually be here [TS]

  we can have a about Jackson laptop [TS]

  batteries for our laptops that's really [TS]

  only true for the 12-inch MacBook and [TS]

  only just barely because that has very [TS]

  low power draw its you know in in the in [TS]

  the realm of of big tablet power draws [TS]

  so like you can get a better back for [TS]

  those it's that small and outputs like [TS]

  15 watts and that's enough [TS]

  you're never going to get a battery pack [TS]

  that's going to be small and light and [TS]

  empower your 15-inch macbook pro for [TS]

  meaningful amount of time our or that [TS]

  can recharge it quickly so you can get [TS]

  back to using it like it's just too much [TS]

  power batteries are big and heavy [TS]

  that's not going to happen in a [TS]

  compelling package for a very long time [TS]

  if ever so it is very important for you [TS]

  to know when you're using your flagship [TS]

  15-inch professional-grade a laptop that [TS]

  has this nice big 75 one hour battery in [TS]

  it and that can possibly draw up 287 [TS]

  wats a full load [TS]

  it's very nice to know whether you're [TS]

  going to make it without a charge or not [TS]

  to [TS]

  what you have to do you know at the end [TS]

  of the fighter day or whatever because [TS]

  if you if you mess up that estimate [TS]

  you're basically a lot like you're [TS]

  basically you're not gonna have a [TS]

  computer for a few hours because you're [TS]

  not gonna like you can't just plug in a [TS]

  little lipstick battery from amazon that [TS]

  was four dollars and charged up again [TS]

  like that it doesn't work that way to [TS]

  treat it like a big phone is not a good [TS]

  analogy [TS]

  it just doesn't work well there is one [TS]

  phone feature that you could use though [TS]

  like you think more fixes this thing [TS]

  running like a big phone maybe think of [TS]

  like what are you doing your iphone say [TS]

  your on your iPhone and you're on a [TS]

  cross-country flight and your you want [TS]

  to be doing stuff on your phone and you [TS]

  there's no time remaining on the iphone [TS]

  but you look at the percentage and you [TS]

  kind of know how long you're fun you're [TS]

  less and you're like it's not going to [TS]

  make it what would you do i plug it in [TS]

  and shoot the hostage but not yet plugin [TS]

  plugin i guess that is an option because [TS]

  I guess the fun of it but low power mode [TS]

  was thinking of the powerbook right so [TS]

  on the phone the phone first of the [TS]

  phone itself will go into low power mode [TS]

  but you can turn it on yourself manually [TS]

  at any time and you're hoping what that [TS]

  will do is like you don't know just [TS]

  switch and preferences or and I think [TS]

  it's him isn't in control center not [TS]

  forget low-power mode will you know you [TS]

  basically say go into like camera mode [TS]

  just trying to like not do stuff and and [TS]

  be more calm a low-power mode for mac OS [TS]

  but it's as simple as a switch would [TS]

  solve the customer problem better than [TS]

  the very geeky silly solution i was [TS]

  suggesting of like graphs and everything [TS]

  which would be totally cool and would [TS]

  convey the information but again the [TS]

  customer problem is like you said and I [TS]

  gonna make it [TS]

  and so in this respect reading like a [TS]

  phone having a low-power mode switch i [TS]

  think is one possible viable solution [TS]

  and maybe apples got that plan and maybe [TS]

  ditching this is you know an ill-advised [TS]

  transition where they get rid of this [TS]

  and replace it with low-power mode is [TS]

  and i'm hoping low-power mode doesn't [TS]

  already exist in mac OS and I just don't [TS]

  know that because i have reviewed last [TS]

  two versions but you guys can confirm [TS]

  slacker so and this is this is this [TS]

  leads to another problem to which is you [TS]

  know that the small laptops that the [TS]

  escape and 36 touch bar [TS]

  a-and the macbook one these all suffer [TS]

  from moderate battery life because [TS]

  they're so small and that's and that's [TS]

  generally part of the trade-off of [TS]

  getting a very very small laptop is [TS]

  usually better life isn't very good [TS]

  his battery too big and heavy so to get [TS]

  something very small you know you gotta [TS]

  take a small battery life that's ok on [TS]

  the bigger ones like the 15-inch you [TS]

  know typically you get pretty good [TS]

  battery life you know and it hasn't [TS]

  always been the case but you know [TS]

  generally speaking that's you know it's [TS]

  really pretty good [TS]

  however on the 15 inch as i mentioned in [TS]

  previous episodes there used to be an [TS]

  option to not get a discrete GPU and the [TS]

  base model that option is no longer [TS]

  present on the current line so every 15 [TS]

  inch comes with a discrete GPU that is [TS]

  dynamically switch to so it has both the [TS]

  integrated GPU views almost no power and [TS]

  the discrete GPU the big 8 AMD ati [TS]

  whatever-it-is amd-1 that it switches to [TS]

  whenever it feels that it needs more [TS]

  graphic horsepower and this is automatic [TS]

  switching and there's an option in [TS]

  settings to lock on the discrete GPU so [TS]

  do not automatically switch almost no [TS]

  one should ever enable that option [TS]

  because the head that just locks on the [TS]

  very high-powered raw very hot external [TS]

  GPU however there is no option to only [TS]

  lock on and to only use the low-power [TS]

  integrated GPU that's the first thing [TS]

  low-power mode would do obviously it's [TS]

  right so so basically so and and there's [TS]

  a there's utility by Cody called [TS]

  graphics card status gfx card status [TS]

  that shows you which one is in use in [TS]

  any given time and if you get and I even [TS]

  I've been when I'm doing my testing i [TS]

  have it you can even show notifications [TS]

  when the discrete one turns on so you [TS]

  can kind of tell like why it turned on [TS]

  because of being a bit of what you just [TS]

  did and and it can tell you of course [TS]

  which apps are holding it on as well [TS]

  because it's held by a nap basis you can [TS]

  talk about it after misbehaving or if [TS]

  something's using it that you don't [TS]

  really think you need to be doing right [TS]

  now you can you turn it off to save [TS]

  battery life because the battery usage [TS]

  when discrete GPU is active is [TS]

  substantially higher and you get was [TS]

  substantially noticeably worse battery [TS]

  life when that high-power GPU is on [TS]

  however as I said there's no option to [TS]

  say whatever you do do not turn that GPU [TS]

  want and I i would love to know from [TS]

  people in the know with the engineering [TS]

  maybe a tipster is there a hardware [TS]

  reason is there some reason why there [TS]

  can't be an option that says only use [TS]

  the integrated GPU right now because [TS]

  that would make a huge difference in [TS]

  battery power like I I've heard various [TS]

  times that like you know sometimes it's [TS]

  required when if you have an external [TS]

  display plugged in because like the way [TS]

  the way to integrate and that's that [TS]

  would be understandable because most [TS]

  people when they using an external [TS]

  display are plugged into power and i'm [TS]

  not on a plane that's right there the [TS]

  imac and panera bread again right [TS]

  because something is power in the [TS]

  display so obviously someone should do [TS]

  that the right bringing external display [TS]

  with you on your flight and just put on [TS]

  the input on the train next to you right [TS]

  but anyway I would like to know why that [TS]

  option isn't there there might be a good [TS]

  reason but if there isn't a good reason [TS]

  that option needs to be there because we [TS]

  know that the GP the integrated GPU is [TS]

  good enough for a lot of things it is [TS]

  not a great GPU it is not a high-power [TS]

  GPU we have a different high-powered you [TS]

  for those needs [TS]

  but if I'm using laptop and I need to [TS]

  eat at every bit of power from it if I'm [TS]

  on some kind of long plane trip or [TS]

  something and you like this is low power [TS]

  mode rightly if you want your lap to go [TS]

  in low-power mode you have to make sure [TS]

  that discrete GPU never turns on and is [TS]

  currently literally no way to prevent [TS]

  that you can't like some utility like [TS]

  Cody graphics card status [TS]

  it was an older computers it would it [TS]

  would be able to actually block the [TS]

  switching and lock it on integrated only [TS]

  but on the more modern max that doesn't [TS]

  happen anymore it can try but then what [TS]

  happens is the discrete one turns on [TS]

  anyway so it's whatever it isn't [TS]

  however it works isn't it seemingly [TS]

  isn't able to override the system [TS]

  behavior now I would love to have that [TS]

  option be there [TS]

  we also know like you know last in the [TS]

  last generation they had the animation [TS]

  they had the option without to get a [TS]

  15-4 that getting a discrete GPU at all [TS]

  if that option key and I've heard from [TS]

  various people that the current skylake [TS]

  cpu generation from Intel that the GPUs [TS]

  are very good and that would be a [TS]

  plausible reason why Apple wouldn't [TS]

  for that option that basically they're [TS]

  too slow to offer that as like a good [TS]

  computer but i would love to the option [TS]

  to opt into that sometimes when I really [TS]

  need the battery power so that would be [TS]

  great [TS]

  Apple wants to wants to address its [TS]

  battery issues with the 15-inch macbook [TS]

  pro the smaller ones they have different [TS]

  issues they have the most explicit [TS]

  things are really small batteries [TS]

  because that's how so that's also than [TS]

  light but the 15-inch one of the biggest [TS]

  issues is that GPU switching and it if I [TS]

  have if i have a way to disable that [TS]

  this laptop will last a lot longer i'll [TS]

  put a link in the show notes you are [TS]

  acting as a review of the touch bar [TS]

  laptop so that in their battery testers [TS]

  they're sort of light the Wi-Fi you know [TS]

  web browsing battery test and they did a [TS]

  test with the discrete GPU on and one [TS]

  with it off and the one with it off they [TS]

  got 15 hours of battery life this is out [TS]

  of the 2016 15 inch macbook pro and I [TS]

  with a discrete keep you on seven hours [TS]

  so I mean there's still light usage 27 [TS]

  hours still pretty good but they're just [TS]

  web browsing but that's that's a 2x [TS]

  difference doing the exact same activity [TS]

  you know the only difference is the [TS]

  discrete GPU is on or off so a low-power [TS]

  mode that I'm not that's the game we [TS]

  like to turn off the discrete GPU and [TS]

  accept that you're you know you're not [TS]

  completely games your graphics [TS]

  performance with terrible but think of [TS]

  all the other things you can do marcos [TS]

  favorite thing you know photos analyzing [TS]

  his pictures in the background time [TS]

  machine backups like this so everything [TS]

  that the phone doesnt low-power mode [TS]

  stops as many optional background [TS]

  activity type things that can possibly [TS]

  stop you know you know just pause them [TS]

  or delays them over [TS]

  just don't do that stuff clock down the [TS]

  processor do like whatever you have to [TS]

  do too because that's it you know when [TS]

  you go into low power mode where they're [TS]

  automatically because you're your [TS]

  battery is getting low which would be a [TS]

  good idea or just you know at the [TS]

  beginning of your flight do it's like [TS]

  xcode will run fine in low-power mode [TS]

  like your compiles might take longer but [TS]

  the typing part will be fine [TS]

  like it's not you don't you're not doing [TS]

  anything that graphically intensive [TS]

  ended its not they have no GPU there is [TS]

  a Wimpy crappy GPU built into the you [TS]

  know you've integrated GPU is not as may [TS]

  not be as good as it was in the past but [TS]

  it will get you by and you know it the [TS]

  the another thing from the chalice is a [TS]

  link to this big on an explanation of [TS]

  how Mac developers can make their [TS]

  applications better behaved because [TS]

  there are many things that system [TS]

  frameworks and your own application [TS]

  might do to unknown eternal and discrete [TS]

  GPUs honest if there's some like call [TS]

  that you make this is hey I would like [TS]

  to turn the screw GPU and the point is [TS]

  automatically automatically turns an [TS]

  online needs it and it doesn't use and [TS]

  what doesn't [TS]

  but apparently that's an opt-in type of [TS]

  thing and if you don't opt into it your [TS]

  application not article automatically [TS]

  switch between integrated indiscreet the [TS]

  default is just use discrete all the [TS]

  time if you do any of these sort of [TS]

  activities that think they might need it [TS]

  at some point in your application so [TS]

  there could be a software factor here [TS]

  where people just need to play update [TS]

  their applications to be nicer but [TS]

  that's that's why wouldn't look for that [TS]

  to save anyone's bacon unless there's [TS]

  some specific application that you're [TS]

  using all the time it's going to benefit [TS]

  from this because apples been preaching [TS]

  this for years and years and years about [TS]

  how to make your applications [TS]

  energy-efficient and they have a lot of [TS]

  great tools a lot of great ideas but the [TS]

  bottom line is over the past five to ten [TS]

  years it seems like application [TS]

  developers have not prioritized the [TS]

  energy efficiency athlete of their [TS]

  application very highly like they'll [TS]

  spend more time on performance and bugs [TS]

  and features rightly so probably an [TS]

  energy-efficiency Apple itself has [TS]

  probably been one of the best companies [TS]

  in terms of making your application uses [TS]

  less power just look at how much power [TS]

  so far users compared to chrome to see [TS]

  how seriously they take this so apples [TS]

  highly motivated do it because they make [TS]

  the hardware other vendors seem to be [TS]

  less inclined to do that and that leads [TS]

  to the other solution which we've talked [TS]

  about so many times in the past to this [TS]

  problem you know we got low power mode [TS]

  you've got improving the way that people [TS]

  see the information you've also got [TS]

  sorry for the umpteenth time make the [TS]

  laptop two millimeters thick and put my [TS]

  battery in it because if you make the [TS]

  battery life good enough that people [TS]

  like get through the day ish or it seems [TS]

  about the same or better than the [TS]

  previous one [TS]

  then there is way way less spreading [TS]

  about all we need a new way to present [TS]

  this information to the user that's [TS]

  accurate of blood like it just stops [TS]

  being a concerned the same way that [TS]

  battery life I iPads mostly stopped [TS]

  being concerned I'm for the first one [TS]

  but the fact [TS]

  it was ten hours like oh well you know [TS]

  from from ipad ipad when it fluctuates [TS]

  from like i used to get 10 in the [TS]

  previous one and I get a tan this one or [TS]

  nine or eleven but it's long enough that [TS]

  it's not a big deal right [TS]

  whereas it seems like the 15 inch [TS]

  laptops in particular have been existing [TS]

  on the border where it's like not enough [TS]

  to get you through a whole day of hard [TS]

  work may be enough to get you through a [TS]

  cross-country flight of medium work and [TS]

  so fluctuations like this especially [TS]

  when they can be a 2x range between [TS]

  discrete and integrated UV uses it's [TS]

  well within the you know discomfort [TS]

  range so if you could add an hour or two [TS]

  so that basically that it seems like for [TS]

  the most part in regular usage your 2016 [TS]

  15 inch macbook pro it's about the same [TS]

  battery life as you 2015 then all of a [TS]

  sudden all these concerns that we were [TS]

  talking about become much less sergeant [TS]

  in exchange for you having a thicker [TS]

  laptops I don't know apples were [TS]

  planning on pursuing that but it's not [TS]

  like they don't have the option they do [TS]

  make the hardware [TS]

  yeah fair enough now Marco your post [TS]

  that you you put up about this I have to [TS]

  ask [TS]

  I feel like you're trying to give a [TS]

  subliminal message here but I just can't [TS]

  put my finger on what is the woman when [TS]

  the picture is like the judge giant it's [TS]

  like bigger than the text [TS]

  yeah it did there's a little bit of [TS]

  inception going on here i just have to [TS]

  congratulate you because at first I [TS]

  didn't understand where you're going [TS]

  with this [TS]

  how and it took a well known for like I [TS]

  looked at the first picture and I was [TS]

  like okay and then i would like that was [TS]

  really their picture of a cow and right [TS]

  now seriously i did not understand [TS]

  driving from the lakers I think the [TS]

  third picture then I was like oh and [TS]

  then that my favorite was figuring out [TS]

  what the relevance of the last picture [TS]

  was they said no that was well done so I [TS]

  I are you all kidding aside you this [TS]

  that your post anyway seems to be a [TS]

  pretty clear statement that you think [TS]

  that this is a poor choice [TS]

  how would you phrase it now like what [TS]

  what do you think about this is this is [TS]

  this a good idea is a bad idea [TS]

  so again there are multiple issues here [TS]

  right so one of the issues is is this [TS]

  better [TS]

  you're accurate a second issue is is it [TS]

  worth moving it because it does serve a [TS]

  lot of useful purposes for people right [TS]

  and and to remove it with no replacement [TS]

  that can serve those purposes of like [TS]

  basically gauging whether you're going [TS]

  to make it or not that is that is not [TS]

  great right and another issue is are [TS]

  they doing this in response to criticism [TS]

  that the battery life of these machines [TS]

  is not great so I think the answer to [TS]

  question number one of like is a better [TS]

  meter accurate [TS]

  the answer is well sometimes but I think [TS]

  it's accurate often enough to be useful [TS]

  and I wouldn't necessarily move it for [TS]

  that I might reduce its precision and [TS]

  drop it down to just hours and not show [TS]

  minutes but that's just me [TS]

  I don't work for Apple maybe there's a [TS]

  reason okay question number two of like [TS]

  is it is a good idea to make this [TS]

  removal with nothing that can replace it [TS]

  and I'd say no is it [TS]

  fortunately those of us who care we can [TS]

  install their party utilities or just [TS]

  looking activity monitor because it's [TS]

  like I i set menus has it activity [TS]

  monitor has a coconut battery has it [TS]

  because all these things are clearing [TS]

  the low the low-level io kit framework [TS]

  and I ok it's giving the same estimate [TS]

  so not only can I can third-party apps [TS]

  provide their own estimates but they're [TS]

  using the same data source i think in [TS]

  most cases they're using the same data [TS]

  source that would that is the thing that [TS]

  was driving that menu bar so it's not [TS]

  like you getting a different estimate [TS]

  you're getting the same underlying [TS]

  framework is reporting these numbers [TS]

  just in a different UI so that's cool i [TS]

  personally use istat menus for that i [TS]

  like is that means quite a bit so go [TS]

  check that out [TS]

  so you know basically question number [TS]

  one Apple Apple had a navy ok answer for [TS]

  that one question number two removing it [TS]

  without having any replacement for this [TS]

  function at the I don't think Apple has [TS]

  an answer for that [TS]

  and question number 3 like is this [TS]

  actually just are in response to try to [TS]

  maybe cover up the battery problem a [TS]

  little bit and I don't think Apple have [TS]

  a good response to that either at least [TS]

  one that would be believable so [TS]

  basically to me [TS]

  this reads poorly that this reads like a [TS]

  PR band-aid [TS]

  on what is legitimate product [TS]

  shortcomings that I hope Apple addresses [TS]

  and not a successful band aid not even [TS]

  worried vandy probably something it's [TS]

  not going to various if it's a clever [TS]

  way to keep people quiet this this will [TS]

  do the out have the opposite effect [TS]

  right so now the the interesting [TS]

  footnote to this is that the early [TS]

  reports of this OS update our than [TS]

  actually improves battery life [TS]

  noticeably of course of course making [TS]

  this making this more complicated and [TS]

  kind of hilarious [TS]

  so apparently there were some issues [TS]

  with with the GPU management and you [TS]

  don't say and and apparently there is [TS]

  some of these issue has some issues have [TS]

  been fixed in the dot to release i [TS]

  personally I'm seeing with my now [TS]

  illicit tools to show me a battery [TS]

  estimate I'm now seeing estimates of [TS]

  more like 12 hours under my idol users [TS]

  and I haven't I don't have only had this [TS]

  update installed now for a few hours so [TS]

  I really can't give a real report yet [TS]

  but macrumors already has a thing about [TS]

  saying like they're hearing for people [TS]

  to like it seems like this might be a [TS]

  real thing that this update actually [TS]

  does improve battery life noticeably on [TS]

  this on this computer at least at idle [TS]

  i'm guessing how much of this is the end [TS]

  of your first run experience jobs you [TS]

  talking about the ending with the photo [TS]

  library stuff spotlight photo library [TS]

  all the crap that you know on a fresh [TS]

  Mac that's newly signed into your iCloud [TS]

  and then you know doing all the stuff [TS]

  that happens after you doing install and [TS]

  put all your apps on and you're [TS]

  mentioning how like was taking forever [TS]

  her for photos to be done doing whatever [TS]

  the hell was doing maybe it's done now [TS]

  nowhere close [TS]

  no photos I'm honestly thinking about [TS]

  just leaving for iCloud photo library [TS]

  and just moving on because the at the [TS]

  the mac app I first of all I I think I [TS]

  don't want to make this a complaint [TS]

  about Apple because i actually have been [TS]

  very positive episode so far for the [TS]

  most part however the the photos for mac [TS]

  app I I it has so much potential and i [TS]

  would say almost all of the potential is [TS]

  unrealized that's the nicest way I can [TS]

  put it [TS]

  well done so and i do think that the the [TS]

  decision that Apple did the summer to to [TS]

  have their their their photo object [TS]

  recognition basically be done on device [TS]

  and then to not sink that across devices [TS]

  so basically every device you setup has [TS]

  to do its own image and object [TS]

  recognition and face recognition in the [TS]

  Photos app i think that that was a [TS]

  mistake it's not really a decision based [TS]

  on the the lot talk show live where this [TS]

  very issue was brought over was so clear [TS]

  from i think was Craig answering the [TS]

  question that the only reason that's the [TS]

  case is because they didn't have time to [TS]

  do the better solution [TS]

  well like that's a decision that it was [TS]

  their decision to ship it [TS]

  yeah i know but like what I think it was [TS]

  the right decision to ship it instead of [TS]

  waiting until they got that like I think [TS]

  they made the right call they're like [TS]

  you either delay until you get this [TS]

  solution for me so those three options [TS]

  are you know the others like doing like [TS]

  Google doesn't all server-side apples on [TS]

  to the privacy don't ship it or ship it [TS]

  with the less efficient thing and I [TS]

  think they pick the right option is that [TS]

  shame it's a shame that it didn't have [TS]

  it worked out [TS]

  it's a shame on you for your battery and [TS]

  it has to do this and everything on your [TS]

  max but definitely I wouldn't wait a [TS]

  lecture year for this application [TS]

  well that well but you were you weren't [TS]

  waiting for the application you were [TS]

  only waiting for the the search the [TS]

  object search [TS]

  yeah I I appreciate the object search [TS]

  enough that I'm willing to I mean [TS]

  they're great i don't have laptops right [TS]

  but I'm totally i will pay the price for [TS]

  and I minded the same thing by the way [TS]

  the same like sir when is this ever [TS]

  going to finish and is there a way I can [TS]

  make it go and let me leave my computer [TS]

  on and said not to go to sleep I did all [TS]

  the same things you did so I had all the [TS]

  same frustrations and yet still I would [TS]

  say that the benefit i get from being [TS]

  able to type something in and find [TS]

  photos is worth it to me so I've had [TS]

  I've had this laptop now for I mean this [TS]

  one this one I've had for over a week [TS]

  and it is less than halfway done [TS]

  scanning my photo library isn't making [TS]

  any progress that's the key mine for a [TS]

  long time didn't look like it was making [TS]

  any progress [TS]

  it's making very slow progress so I i'm [TS]

  keeping tractors I guess screenshot the [TS]

  the people tab or shows the actual [TS]

  numbers because you can memorize it into [TS]

  the graph in your head right right [TS]

  exactly right there you go [TS]

  and.and like it I don't know how to make [TS]

  it go but anyway it doesn't it seems the [TS]

  that the the photo indexing is not [TS]

  mostly a battery problem because when [TS]

  it's on battery it doesn't seem to do it [TS]

  it seems to be smart about that when you [TS]

  plug it in the photos agent will require [TS]

  the discrete GPU and will start to [TS]

  invade and the next thing I so I believe [TS]

  it's gpu-based for this GPU assisted [TS]

  which is nice [TS]

  that's one of the things by the way at [TS]

  WWDC that they emphasize for years and [TS]

  years being having all sorts of power [TS]

  assertions and being aware of the [TS]

  context that you're in and if you're on [TS]

  battery life like that's that's what [TS]

  they want to happen instead of having [TS]

  like a big low-power mode button or [TS]

  anything like that they just want [TS]

  applications to be smart and understand [TS]

  what the deal isn't you know behave like [TS]

  apples things that go you super low [TS]

  priority I oh and don't even run this at [TS]

  all if you're on battery and do all they [TS]

  have a B is for all this stuff but hey [TS]

  like I said it slow down on developers [TS]

  part of us and be even though they have [TS]

  all that stuff on a platform like iOS it [TS]

  is still both useful and I think [TS]

  recommended to have a low-power mode [TS]

  that comes on automatically when you [TS]

  really low and that the user can put on [TS]

  any time they want because that is that [TS]

  is the right granularity I feel like one [TS]

  switch somewhere easily accessible with [TS]

  some visual indication it's on like the [TS]

  yellow battery meter whatever iOS shows [TS]

  i still think that feature they should [TS]

  totally identical I i agree and and on [TS]

  iOS like I actually do an overcast I i [TS]

  have like whenever i have any kind of [TS]

  like sink activity the choice that I [TS]

  have a lot of choices about like how [TS]

  much do i wait and coalesce all these [TS]

  think updates before actually make a [TS]

  network request to my server and you [TS]

  know Angeles into a show like how often [TS]

  do I report to the server what time [TS]

  stamp you've listened up to so that it [TS]

  can sink to your other devices reliably [TS]

  like I have all sorts of like you know [TS]

  cole s delays and and granularity delays [TS]

  things like that and i run them all [TS]

  through a function that applies [TS]

  multipliers based on the current power [TS]

  state whether you're on Wi-Fi or [TS]

  cellular whether your batteries above [TS]

  certain thresholds and whether low-power [TS]

  mode is activated so when low power mode [TS]

  activated i believe i just multiply [TS]

  everything by like four or something [TS]

  which is like make everything really [TS]

  spaced out and so again I actually [TS]

  dynamically adjust all of those you know [TS]

  based on all the different factors of [TS]

  like you know basically [TS]

  how much power do you have to spare and [TS]

  how much power will this take right now [TS]

  like you're on Wi-Fi i guess i do things [TS]

  more often if you're on Tyler I don't if [TS]

  you know so all these I always different [TS]

  multipliers in there and it really helps [TS]

  a lot to control myself better usage but [TS]

  i did all that because it matters on iOS [TS]

  it matters a lot and it has mattered [TS]

  since the beginning of iOS on the mac [TS]

  for so long I think developers weren't [TS]

  needed to do really much of that because [TS]

  it didn't really matter like how much [TS]

  did with that actually affect people's [TS]

  battery lies in the past but you know as [TS]

  we move towards this now massive Delta [TS]

  between when the process is active and [TS]

  went to idle this madness now massive [TS]

  Delta of battery life now it matters a [TS]

  lot more and so I hope Mac developers [TS]

  are conscientious of this as many many [TS]

  developers use 15-inch macbook pros [TS]

  spoke I i hope that they are [TS]

  conscientious to this and and will it [TS]

  will actively work to reduce their [TS]

  energy use now that the max that people [TS]

  actually wearing their software on [TS]

  basically now it matters a lot more [TS]

  weather apps are responsible or not [TS]

  because again before it didn't matter [TS]

  much at all and now it matters a lot [TS]

  and as time goes on it's very clear that [TS]

  you know we've been honest on this path [TS]

  for a while now that we are going to [TS]

  continue to make idle power savings and [TS]

  continue to not really lower the ceiling [TS]

  very much of maximum power so this issue [TS]

  is only going to get worse this Delta is [TS]

  only going to get larger over time as [TS]

  you make these further advancements in [TS]

  power efficiency so it will only become [TS]

  more important over time for everyone to [TS]

  really optimize their powers when your [TS]

  battery and so I hope people do i hope [TS]

  the the mac developer ecosystem is [TS]

  healthy enough that people have the [TS]

  motivation and resources to update their [TS]

  apps that much I i hope that they are [TS]

  conscious enough to do it and i look [TS]

  forward to seeing if they do not like [TS]

  the future is desktop computers that [TS]

  don't you think [TS]

  God thanks 143 sponsors this week [TS]

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  now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

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  yes byl ISS that's Casey list and a [TS]

  co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our see us [TS]

  syracuse it [TS]

  have you been watching anymore Grand [TS]

  Tour kids know everyone says that sucks [TS]

  so I just decided to [TS]

  you're the only one left watching AZ [TS]

  yeah it kind of seems like based on my [TS]

  case you basically what you wrote and [TS]

  what I see if you have people say as [TS]

  well I really does seem like i got the [TS]

  best of all worlds by watching episode 1 [TS]

  then stopping I don't know if that's [TS]

  entirely true i stand by Skip episode 2 [TS]

  but or come back to it well after the [TS]

  fact I i do still like the show but man [TS]

  I don't love it like I used to [TS]

  well I mean admittedly that was a [TS]

  different show if you want to be [TS]

  authentic about it you know what I'm [TS]

  driving at [TS]

  I'm curious to see what this week brings [TS]

  not having seen all of the the ones past [TS]

  episode 17 horrible even just seeing [TS]

  episode one even though i enjoyed it i [TS]

  could see this path of you know we [TS]

  talked about here this path of like you [TS]

  know this seems like they're pushing a [TS]

  little hard on these certain areas that [TS]

  don't work and anything you know [TS]

  honestly even in the last couple seasons [TS]

  of the bbctopgear show with them on it [TS]

  they know that version of it you could [TS]

  tell it was starting to go in some [TS]

  directions that work fringe worthy and [TS]

  it was starting to lose is some of the [TS]

  best for getting a little more contrived [TS]

  and it was starting to lose some of its [TS]

  charm in in a lot of it as it got like [TS]

  seemingly more contrived and seeming [TS]

  less just kind of like raw I guess [TS]

  well that's the thing is that you know [TS]

  I'm pretty good at being able to watch [TS]

  you know a filmer or TV show and and not [TS]

  pick apart [TS]

  how was made or what was real and what [TS]

  wasn't [TS]

  but we're in top gear i could watch most [TS]

  of them and feel like it was a contrived [TS]

  situation that they just let play out [TS]

  right you know let's race to Verbier and [TS]

  see what happens and yes there are [TS]

  probably more efficient ways to go then [TS]

  I forget how that one went but like bus [TS]

  to train to plane to train to bus to [TS]

  running etc there's probably a more [TS]

  efficient way but that [TS]

  take around the same amount of time it [TS]

  takes Jeremy to drive it so let's set it [TS]

  up so that it should be interesting and [TS]

  then let it play out [TS]

  and so there's a lot of that was [TS]

  probably staged and deliberate and a lot [TS]

  and I think a lot of it that wasn't [TS]

  whereas in Grand Tour [TS]

  it seems like its way heavy on staging [TS]

  everything to the point that it's [TS]

  obvious and as we discussed i think last [TS]

  time I think the three hosts have [TS]

  forgotten that they're not actors which [TS]

  is troubling and so the second episode [TS]

  was was very self-indulgent and very [TS]

  much time trying to act the third [TS]

  episode actually thought was pretty good [TS]

  I I like that one and then this last [TS]

  episode some was good some was not and [TS]

  so I don't know i'm curious to see where [TS]

  this goes i think if i understand it [TS]

  right this is a like 12-episode run I [TS]

  thought although i might be wrong about [TS]

  me that maybe there's only a couple more [TS]

  either way i'm curious to see how this [TS]

  plays out now John you also have not [TS]

  been watching is that correct that's [TS]

  mostly just because i haven't had time [TS]

  to watch anything like I have been [TS]

  sitting there with my ipad which is [TS]

  where I usually watch this thing and [TS]

  thinking I should catch a few minutes [TS]

  i'm almost watched it's not like i'm i'm [TS]

  against ever watching it again but i [TS]

  will probably be leaning pretty heavily [TS]

  on the skip button to get to the part [TS]

  that has to do with cars but yeah which [TS]

  man you're gonna go to be doing a lot of [TS]

  skipping skipping and maybe or maybe [TS]

  I'll just have it on the background when [TS]

  I'm you know doing something else I [TS]

  don't know [TS]

  yeah yeah the stuff you're never really [TS]

  used to be a second-screen kind of show [TS]

  for me or are ya i never used to really [TS]

  like what it look at twitter while I was [TS]

  watching top gear and and I caught [TS]

  myself barely paying attention during I [TS]

  don't like the second or maybe fourth [TS]

  episode it's okay though it's okay now [TS]

  Marco in a semi-related note is this [TS]

  your first winter with the tussle yeah [TS]

  yeah yeah I got it like in March or [TS]

  April soon [TS]

  yeah anything interesting come of that [TS]

  well we we haven't had any snow yet [TS]

  really like it snowed for like five [TS]

  minutes 19 that was it so it we haven't [TS]

  really had winter weather to deal with [TS]

  you have to change tires [TS]

  i I'm not planning on doing it this year [TS]

  I will see how it works I've all seasons [TS]

  now with the m5 I I had you know [TS]

  basically like flat balls of rubber on [TS]

  there for the summer times i think that [TS]

  like its stock tires were like comically [TS]

  ineffective in any kind of slippery or [TS]

  cold weather so I i used winter tires [TS]

  you know seasonally for that because I [TS]

  kind of had to make it useful this you [TS]

  know that the test was all wheel drive [TS]

  as i mentioned it when i did the test [TS]

  drive which was last February's are [TS]

  really cold day with a whole bunch of [TS]

  like you know mud and crap and graph all [TS]

  over the roads i was blown away by how [TS]

  good the other drive system was I know [TS]

  that battery range is going to be less [TS]

  in the winter because a combination of [TS]

  just batteries being less effective at [TS]

  very cold temperatures and also using [TS]

  the heaters will reduce the rains a lot [TS]

  so I expect that and that's you know I [TS]

  knew that going in [TS]

  that's fine we'll see how it goes in [TS]

  practice but i'm not concerned really [TS]

  i'm looking forward to the [TS]

  all-wheel-drive i'm looking forward to [TS]

  seeing how it performs in horrible [TS]

  conditions and yeah that's it [TS]

  I i had to start my snowblower recently [TS]

  which was interesting [TS]

  did you end up with a gas one or an [TS]

  electric one I don't recall i ended up [TS]

  with a gas one it was delivered about a [TS]

  day after the last snow of last season [TS]

  naturally so it was so the guy who [TS]

  delivered it started up for me to show [TS]

  me the kind of how to do it and then put [TS]

  in the garage and wait for snow which [TS]

  never came so at the end of the season [TS]

  very people who knew about these who [TS]

  knew about such things because I've [TS]

  never owned a gas-powered a lot of [TS]

  plants of any sort so I had no idea how [TS]

  to take care of them so i asked some [TS]

  friends and did some research on the [TS]

  internet and ask the company who made it [TS]

  like a stone did their support thing and [TS]

  and basically they recommended things [TS]

  that they said was like you know to [TS]

  basically drain the engine like to run [TS]

  dry so i had to start it up once like in [TS]

  April to do this to just run a drive [TS]

  from a little bit of gas they deliver it [TS]

  with took me a very long time to figure [TS]

  how to start about even though it has [TS]

  electric start delightful it is later [TS]

  Tesla's done to you don't even know how [TS]

  to start an internal combustion engine [TS]

  more exactly and it has like you know [TS]

  like the joke squishy thing and there's [TS]

  all sorts of stuff on there like I don't [TS]

  have to do this let's take the squishy [TS]

  thing as a technical term for the yeah [TS]

  and and and and then I was like april [TS]

  and i put it away else are and so just [TS]

  like two weeks ago or last week I had to [TS]

  finally take it out again because [TS]

  everyone says you could you could like [TS]

  start it up make sure it starts you know [TS]

  gas before the big snow storm which ok [TS]

  that makes sense [TS]

  I I never do that I know yours totally [TS]

  know you're supposed to in there right [TS]

  I just I I thought about that earlier [TS]

  like at the same time you're probably [TS]

  thinking about it I had that same [TS]

  thought I said you know what I've never [TS]

  done that before and I'm problem i can [TS]

  do it again yet so so you know I put gas [TS]

  and of course of course because a I me [TS]

  and and be I don't want to deal with it [TS]

  i'm using like the the expensive like [TS]

  special gas that comes in like broke [TS]

  spray sized cans that has the premix [TS]

  like treatments and everything so it's [TS]

  like optimized for the this engine so [TS]

  basically i want to use any kind of like [TS]

  you know preserver and it's stable and [TS]

  you could order it by mail for some [TS]

  reason I don't know how that's legal but [TS]

  you can do it anyway so i am putting a [TS]

  little bit of my fancy gas and i wish i [TS]

  was video recording myself trying to [TS]

  start this up again because of course I [TS]

  completely forgot the procedure and also [TS]

  of course i was too lazy to go find [TS]

  instruction book in case he wasn't there [TS]

  to read it for you [TS]

  exactly exactly I did eventually get ok [TS]

  she would have needed because you're [TS]

  like a real person who's operated gasps [TS]

  things before but I have no choice i'm [TS]

  not one of those people was it was it [TS]

  really any more complicated than you [TS]

  know flipping switch pumping a few [TS]

  things and hitting the starter and maybe [TS]

  moving to choke lever was there really [TS]

  more to it was am I not grasping the [TS]

  full complexity of this i think that [TS]

  ended up being rice ok so somehow i got [TS]

  it started eventually i pushed a bunch [TS]

  of things and turn about [TS]

  of things and turn about [TS]

  things and twisted a bunch of things and [TS]

  pulled some things and eventually it [TS]

  worked and then eventually likewise a [TS]

  sputtering so much at all i got turned [TS]

  this thing from start to go and so yeah [TS]

  so it was i wish i wish you were there [TS]

  to laugh at me during this process i [TS]

  wish i was there like a friendly [TS]

  neighbor to come over to put you out of [TS]

  your misery [TS]

  maybe you're right that I could have [TS]

  electrical starter really dampens the [TS]

  the comedy effect because if it had a [TS]

  pull start that would be more fun to [TS]

  watch you do well I couldn't get the [TS]

  truck to work i eventually but [TS]

  eventually pulled it and it started up [TS]

  upon pulling it it with such ease and I [TS]

  don't know if that's because it's new or [TS]

  because maybe the electric start like [TS]

  assisted it upon pulling because when i [TS]

  was trying that they'll start like [TS]

  there's a button next to the plug was in [TS]

  its unlabeled and i plug it in and push [TS]

  in just like nothing happened no [TS]

  response at all so i don't know if the [TS]

  if the electric starts broken or if I [TS]

  just I i need to read the manual but [TS]

  story of your life but I didn't pull [TS]

  starting it and it was super easy i was [TS]

  picturing like it we see my life [TS]

  triumphantly old lawnmower and they're [TS]

  like the pulling with all their bodily [TS]

  might and now it's like brand-new and [TS]

  they have like you know it it modern [TS]

  things are way easier to pull start than [TS]

  they used to be first and second of all [TS]

  things brand-new of course better pull [TS]

  it better be firing before you can get [TS]

  through the first pole it yet loving I i [TS]

  had to pull 12 hours ago but now it's [TS]

  going like ok I i did eventually figure [TS]

  this out it was comical I i do wish you [TS]

  guys were there because you would have [TS]

  had a ball making fun of me and I i do [TS]

  wish it was on video but unfortunately [TS]

  was not planning ahead for fun making [TS]

  fun of me when for when I this will be [TS]

  the year that my snowblower my [TS]

  snowblower that's what 16 years old or [TS]

  whatever that I do zero maintenance on [TS]

  that should have died like a decade ago [TS]

  this will be the year that is all those [TS]

  your macro now it's older than my mac [TS]

  pro and I take less good care of it and [TS]

  every year I think this is this is going [TS]

  to be the year this thing doesn't start [TS]

  in every year it's like nope still going [TS]

  but will say yeah and I always wait [TS]

  until like this four feet of snow in [TS]

  front of my garage [TS]

  that's when I that's when I say well I [TS]

  wonderful things going to start this [TS]

  year whatever I don't start ahead [TS]

  time I don't like I do the only [TS]

  preparation i do is they usually make [TS]

  sure i have fuel for it i do that [TS]

  because you can't really get out get [TS]

  fuel in this four feet of snow [TS]

  you can have fancy gets delivered yeah [TS]

  this is not fancy gasps this is the [TS]

  opposite whatever that is is this is it [TS]

  one of the main reasons i went with [TS]

  fancy gasps besides that I'm you know I [TS]

  didn't want to deal with like [TS]

  stabilizers in the winter and the summer [TS]

  and also i don't think i'm gonna really [TS]

  use a lot of gas in this so I you know I [TS]

  think it's gonna matter really but if [TS]

  you're gonna run it dry anyway before [TS]

  you put it away like yeah whatever i [TS]

  wanted to be doubly sure anyway uh huh [TS]

  but I was also like one of the reasons [TS]

  also is like I don't like the idea of [TS]

  driving to a gas station in my Tesla and [TS]

  filling up the gas can put it in the bag [TS]

  grass it's like that even when people [TS]

  ask you questions about your like this [TS]

  car so fuel-efficient only this one [TS]

  gallon there's no tanks like no you [TS]

  don't need the tank with Tesla you just [TS]

  fill up a little tub this this will ask [TS]

  me always tell people totally believe [TS]

  you actually saw model x today which we [TS]

  IC Model S's reasonably often in [TS]

  Richmond but I saw model x today was [TS]

  very surprising still not sure if I like [TS]

  the look it's not gross its not actively [TS]

  offensive to me but I don't think I [TS]

  terribly like it either [TS]

  yeah x it looks a lot like a minivan it [TS]

  really does this look like a man looks [TS]

  like a crappy SUV crossover a turd thing [TS]

  that's a mini event now a minivan is a [TS]

  minivan my minivan looks better than the [TS]

  model i like the minivan shape between a [TS]

  more honest loaf of bread for [TS]

  transporting kids then these things [TS]

  better like I'm a jeep cherokee that's [TS]

  been squeezed out of somebody's butt [TS]

  haha oh my word oh and I like it the [TS]

  closest i think i come to ever liking [TS]

  one of those is like some of the big [TS]

  Mercedes SUV shape things are not [TS]

  embarrassing looking at a couple of the [TS]

  land rover ones might have a reasonable [TS]

  shape if their service details weren't [TS]

  that bad but the axis groups i will say [TS]

  i get x 6 not bad i don't like Conan the [TS]

  x6 Oh God adjust your eyeball sir no way [TS]

  I it's it's it's kinda like it [TS]

  it's kinda late iced tea you know the [TS]

  first baby first you're like oh that's [TS]

  weird but then you're like okay got [TS]

  can't get it like i like i don't [TS]

  advertise team or you know i don't i [TS]

  don't think i would ever want next six [TS]

  for any reason but if I were forced to [TS]

  drive one I'd like all right yeah I [TS]

  could deal with this no no no no Navy [TS]

  toad application denied know [TS]