The Incomparable

271: Nostalgia Bomb


  the Intolerable under 271 November 2015 [TS]

  welcome back to the incomparable i'm [TS]

  your host Jason Steele we are here with [TS]

  a special timely breaking news to detect [TS]

  attitude edition of the uncomfortable [TS]

  because just this week [TS]

  CBS announced that it's happening [TS]

  there's a new star trac TV series in the [TS]

  works up to appear on your screen in [TS]

  january of 2017 not this January it will [TS]

  be a year from this January but still [TS]

  first new star trek in on TV in a decade [TS]

  here to talk about the ramifications [TS]

  this is like the star trek version of a [TS]

  star wars trailer analysis to talk about [TS]

  the ramifications of this what what are [TS]

  dreams and hopes are for a new star trek [TS]

  and some of the interesting choices that [TS]

  are being made by CBS i'm joined by a [TS]

  panel of people who have things to say [TS]

  about Star Trek first and foremost a [TS]

  host of random track on this very [TS]

  uncomfortable network mr. Scott McNulty [TS]

  hi Scott [TS]

  I'm very excited to be here i hope that [TS]

  this the title of the new star trek [TS]

  series is going to be CSI star trek but [TS]

  it's possible [TS]

  did you read the book oh no way it's not [TS]

  a book club episode also here I wouldn't [TS]

  do start podcast without her [TS]

  it is Brianna Wu hello what's up I [TS]

  really looking forward to hearing damn [TS]

  or in seeing the star trek lyrics that [TS]

  that gene roddenberry road at the end of [TS]

  the show i'm really looking dan I can't [TS]

  wait to hear it here is can warranty on [TS]

  the room to starlight on the island [TS]

  longer some Starflight i know that in [TS]

  Star studies reaches out of love [TS]

  Strangelove star woman teaches you more [TS]

  this year hide and i am really delighted [TS]

  to be here is about the second best [TS]

  science fiction franchise are you [TS]

  come on Jack this man right here all [TS]

  austin i will drive to your house break [TS]

  will drive the car and i will run to CVS [TS]

  and buy toilet paper and I'm looking [TS]

  where we don't care how i think it's [TS]

  only right spare that's where i can we [TS]

  actually I could use some toilet paper [TS]

  so you could be home before and also [TS]

  david lawrence here LOL hello I'm also [TS]

  very excited I just I didn't see the [TS]

  whole Chuck Lorre executive producing I [TS]

  think it's strange that they're having [TS]

  the Muppets and star trek I don't know [TS]

  what that's about [TS]

  strange that's awesome that's the best [TS]

  idea I've heard all night big zoo sprues [TS]

  so I we should say we should say why [TS]

  we're here and what what's going on to [TS]

  CBS announced it would let me know if [TS]

  you know why we're here now on Monday [TS]

  November second 2015 CBS announced that [TS]

  they are going to do a new star trek [TS]

  show it is not one of these like we're [TS]

  going to do a pilot it they have a [TS]

  serious commitment although i haven't [TS]

  read how many episodes i think that's [TS]

  kind of unclear is going to be 10 13 or [TS]

  seven or 8i I think they don't know yet [TS]

  that doesn't say it doesn't say it's a [TS]

  picot production between CBS television [TS]

  studios which after the Viacom CBS sort [TS]

  of merger and uncoupling basically [TS]

  paramount owns the parent and CBS share [TS]

  the movie rights so there-there are the [TS]

  Star Trek films or sure the rights to [TS]

  Star Trek and Star Trek films and TV [TS]

  rights theoretically are part of CBS [TS]

  it's this weird kind of marriage and [TS]

  shared franchise but CBS it seems to be [TS]

  the agreement CBS gets the TV rights [TS]

  parents the movie right so they're [TS]

  moving ahead with the TV series they are [TS]

  not going to show it on cps or the CW or [TS]

  showtime which are things that are owned [TS]

  or partially owned by CBS they're going [TS]

  to show the premiere on CBS and then it [TS]

  was it's going to move to CBS all access [TS]

  which is their digital platform it is [TS]

  their own little CBS version of netflix [TS]

  or hulu so that's kind of an interesting [TS]

  one thing that because i don't know [TS]

  nerds like Star Trek is only Northwest [TS]

  Arkansas on the internet and computers [TS]

  where they can watch TV shows and it's [TS]

  gonna be produced by alex kurtzman who [TS]

  is one of the writers on the on the [TS]

  first to JJ Abrams movies [TS]

  it's also relevant because alex kurtzman [TS]

  I is has a deal with CBS so he knows [TS]

  star trek he has a deal with CBS his [TS]

  production company which is which is [TS]

  sort of spun out of the work that he was [TS]

  doing with JJ Abrams for his production [TS]

  company is a is producing shows for CBS [TS]

  so it's a known quantity with a deal [TS]

  with CBS who has a history with Star [TS]

  Trek so it kind of makes sense but he is [TS]

  not actually slated to be the showrunner [TS]

  Alex Kurtzman is basically interviewing [TS]

  people to be the writer on the project [TS]

  which means yes there's no showrunner [TS]

  there seems to be no script and yet it's [TS]

  been it's got a premiere date and has [TS]

  been committed to two series not even [TS]

  two pilots oh really interesting times [TS]

  and I guess we should start there [TS]

  although i eventually we're gonna get [TS]

  around 2i think what our hopes and [TS]

  dreams are for a for new star trek on [TS]

  our screens but let's start there what [TS]

  do you think about this idea that it's [TS]

  not going to be we we've debated in the [TS]

  past on this on this very podcast about [TS]

  what's the right place for star trek to [TS]

  be and what doesn't make sense on see on [TS]

  CBS or doesn't make sense on the CW or [TS]

  doesn't make sense straight to netflix [TS]

  and instead what we've got is CBS all [TS]

  access so let's start there what do you [TS]

  think about the idea that this is going [TS]

  to be a digital streaming project i mean [TS]

  i will go watch star trek anywhere they [TS]

  complete a hundred dollar cinema here I [TS]

  will go see it you know if they if i [TS]

  have to pay a subscription fee at CBS to [TS]

  see this i will happily do that [TS]

  dad said you know I know I'm not the [TS]

  only person that's going gosh do I [TS]

  really need another streaming service [TS]

  that pay for every single month it's [TS]

  hard enough to justify HBO GO [TS]

  so you know I will I will bite and I [TS]

  will do this but you know I i think it's [TS]

  like CBS trying like a Hail Mary to kind [TS]

  of be relevant in the streaming age I [TS]

  get the apple TV has come out recently I [TS]

  think that channel vision is going to [TS]

  become increasingly popular yeah i think [TS]

  they're they're trying to find a way to [TS]

  survive in this era is this something [TS]

  that's going to catch on and become a [TS]

  hulu or netflix or HBO GO [TS]

  no of course not but you know I'm still [TS]

  going to my ten dollars ira ira story [TS]

  that said that a [TS]

  that Warner is thinking of retrenching [TS]

  on what it offers on streaming and sort [TS]

  of like recalibrating to not have their [TS]

  latest the latest seasons of their shows [TS]

  go to Netflix which is I you know I [TS]

  it'll be interesting to see what does [TS]

  with the streaming landscape is in more [TS]

  than a year anyway that's not saying [TS]

  write it like way you know if you're [TS]

  really banking on this to like make your [TS]

  service cell then maybe you know [TS]

  pronouncing it like more than a year out [TS]

  is a little weird I mean I i don't know [TS]

  i find that strange because if they [TS]

  really if they really are like you know [TS]

  worried about you know making this this [TS]

  service solvent then you feel like they [TS]

  wouldn't get all their hopes on [TS]

  something that's not even in existence [TS]

  yet laughs they've said that that CBS [TS]

  all access this is the first of other of [TS]

  of scripted shows that they're going to [TS]

  do when they're going to do more of them [TS]

  so they they fancy themselves as having [TS]

  you know originals just like just like [TS]

  you would on netflix and and that [TS]

  they're trying to make something of this [TS]

  weather was already have original [TS]

  program and it's the thing that makes no [TS]

  sense their network you know they want [TS]

  to do streaming originals on top of they [TS]

  want everything dan I know it just it's [TS]

  weird they do want to be able to make [TS]

  more shows that appeal to more people [TS]

  you know they don't just want to be the [TS]

  geriatric network but it's working for [TS]

  them i mean they're getting huge ratings [TS]

  they're getting huge advertising dollars [TS]

  but you know it's gonna make sense to me [TS]

  that they're doing this and make sense [TS]

  to me that they did this now because you [TS]

  know the CBS app just showed up i still [TS]

  have a third generation Apple TV but it [TS]

  just showed up last week on the screen [TS]

  and I know what's it like [TS]

  and it has it has some bugs that has [TS]

  some quirks it's not great but this way [TS]

  they get in right on on the heels of you [TS]

  know hey the apple TV is out now and [TS]

  there's all these cool apps and here's [TS]

  this thing that you're going to want to [TS]

  subscribe to and we'll work all the bugs [TS]

  out in the next year you know I just I [TS]

  just fine i find it a strange [TS]

  proposition especially because i think [TS]

  that Star Trek is you know even if it's [TS]

  been off the air you know we have had [TS]

  movies and it's as a franchise it is [TS]

  such a powerhouse of a franchise and has [TS]

  devoted called following that profile as [TS]

  a devoted following period it is such a [TS]

  popular franchise you could very easily [TS]

  put this [TS]

  on broadcast TV with no problems i mean [TS]

  in the same way that they're trying out [TS]

  Supergirl you know to sort of anchor [TS]

  there's there you know younger appealing [TS]

  demographic I don't see any reason why [TS]

  you couldn't have both star trek on [TS]

  broadcast and in on screaming as they do [TS]

  with it because everything else in there [TS]

  CBS app is also something that is you [TS]

  know broadcast on CBS so I it's [TS]

  straighter now but you know I I I think [TS]

  you're right i've been saying they [TS]

  should be on cbs4 you know since 10 [TS]

  years ago because it is universally I [TS]

  mean my father who is in his mid [TS]

  seventies is a star trek fanatic you [TS]

  know he will watch it wherever it is so [TS]

  yeah they that this is it should be on [TS]

  the network and it just makes sense [TS]

  there seems to me like it's a weird [TS]

  endorsement of Star Trek almost away cuz [TS]

  they're basically saying like we want we [TS]

  want to do you want to build a streaming [TS]

  business and we could do it with Star [TS]

  Trek like with that this will help us [TS]

  help us get there and and and it's it's [TS]

  valid in that way but I think you're [TS]

  right how many subscriptions are we [TS]

  going to have I wonder if they had that [TS]

  moment like well we could sell this to [TS]

  netflix and thence les Moonves is like [TS]

  oh we could have a gr8 haha me medicine [TS]

  that's exactly what they did with tpn [TS]

  like I remember when Boyd came along in [TS]

  the nineties and you know like they got [TS]

  a tentpole we've got our own franchise [TS]

  and that's right and Voyager was the [TS]

  reason you tuned in to go over there [TS]

  watch that and check it out and you know [TS]

  every cycle has done that I mean in the [TS]

  seventies you had all the news about [TS]

  Star Trek phase two was going to be the [TS]

  cornerstone of the Paramount TV network [TS]

  and then it fell through and became the [TS]

  movie because Star Wars hit big and then [TS]

  when next generation came out it was the [TS]

  cornerstone of the Paramount syndication [TS]

  Entertainment Network and you had one or [TS]

  two other shows packaged with it and [TS]

  then you have Voyager which is over [TS]

  that's going to be the beginning of our [TS]

  own network again and so it is sort of [TS]

  like this tradition now it's like will [TS]

  start this whole new things started it's [TS]

  also CBS you know keep in mind CBS is [TS]

  also the only a of the only of the major [TS]

  broadcast networks to not be a part of [TS]

  hulu too so yeah they've already sort of [TS]

  you know carve their own little niche [TS]

  out that's what's is all access is [TS]

  essentially exact [TS]

  do for CBS yeah but for the cost of all [TS]

  the other program [TS]

  well the one thing that CBS is really in [TS]

  les Moonves is really good at is getting [TS]

  people to pay for CBS programming right [TS]

  experience [TS]

  CBS is gets a lot of guff about being [TS]

  you know only old people watch it but [TS]

  they're making tons and tons of money [TS]

  and the others they're getting lots of [TS]

  money with retransmission fees they are [TS]

  always the network that's fighting the [TS]

  hardest to get the most money and this [TS]

  is a genius idea to launch because you [TS]

  know you're reading the tea leaves they [TS]

  have their own streaming service i bet [TS]

  not a lot of people pay for it although [TS]

  in this press release they say they have [TS]

  the most ever people who are paying for [TS]

  certain is fine [TS]

  compared to last night and now they're [TS]

  going to get a whole bunch of people who [TS]

  are like I didn't even know what's a CBS [TS]

  all access was before this news but now [TS]

  everybody's talking about it and are [TS]

  going to sign up and maybe they'll be [TS]

  even some people who because right now [TS]

  all the star trek series is our on CBS [TS]

  all access so maybe people will even [TS]

  sign up for hand and watch everything [TS]

  before the new one comes up i will say [TS]

  i'm already subscribed to it i [TS]

  subscribed right when Colbert started [TS]

  because i knew i was gonna miss the [TS]

  first couple of nights of the show and I [TS]

  wanted to see them for obvious reasons [TS]

  and so it's like all right i'll try the [TS]

  free trial then I left it on because [TS]

  well at the very least I'm I'm gonna [TS]

  catch that and I might need to catch [TS]

  Supergirl I don't really watch anything [TS]

  else on there yet but they're going to [TS]

  program other stuff too are presumably [TS]

  health program stuff around star track [TS]

  because this is a big thing so they'll [TS]

  have like the star trek confidential [TS]

  like the doctor who modeled on the BBC [TS]

  don't have a bunch of stuff around it [TS]

  will announce a new deck and uh I think [TS]

  that's all good and you know we we are [TS]

  living in an era where am i where Amazon [TS]

  and Netflix are winning any awards and [TS]

  RR well well known the only problem i [TS]

  mentioned this to dan we were talking [TS]

  about this earlier is CPS you know [TS]

  amazon netflix that's what they do CBS [TS]

  has like channels that they can put [TS]

  shows on and it i think it's a really [TS]

  interesting business move i'm [TS]

  disappointed in the sense that you'd [TS]

  like them to put it on CBS and have a [TS]

  chance for it to go big at the same time [TS]

  I think it is far more likely to be a [TS]

  success that can continue year after [TS]

  year on streaming [TS]

  then the bar that you have to reach in [TS]

  terms of viewers on CBS in terms of our [TS]

  viewer and there is there's no there's [TS]

  no rule that says that they can't put it [TS]

  on CBS if all of a sudden everyone is [TS]

  watching had thought it was a huge hit [TS]

  they might be like you know we are going [TS]

  to show on CBS a couple weeks delayed or [TS]

  something like that [TS]

  standing rules i mean the the [TS]

  interesting thing is you know so it's [TS]

  like six bucks a month and you still I [TS]

  mean every night on The Colbert rerun [TS]

  you get three ads at every break often [TS]

  the same ones over and oh yeah les [TS]

  Moonves said that they're considering an [TS]

  hulu model where you can pay ten dollars [TS]

  and Nazi at although it wouldn't shock [TS]

  me it wouldn't shock me if Star Trek had [TS]

  limited or no ads on it guys just cut [TS]

  just cut to the chase [TS]

  it's just make it Star Trek all access [TS]

  yeah yeah I think it's really important [TS]

  here that I think sometimes we talk [TS]

  about Star Trek there's obviously a [TS]

  tendency to look at it through our own [TS]

  experiences and then I think it's really [TS]

  important to kind of think about what [TS]

  the the long-term play is here for Star [TS]

  Trek's future [TS]

  I don't know anyone in their twenties [TS]

  that like enthusiastically I guess I [TS]

  know you know that enthusiastically pays [TS]

  for cable right so I i think that this [TS]

  is a really interesting move because [TS]

  guess they can do the traditional thing [TS]

  and put it out on the air they can put [TS]

  you on CBS and yes it will [TS]

  eunos elsom you will have some downloads [TS]

  on apple TV you know you'll be able to [TS]

  get it but I don't think it's a [TS]

  long-term move i think that you know for [TS]

  star trek to survive we have an entire [TS]

  generation of people that think Star [TS]

  Trek are these last two kind of one is [TS]

  good one is very mediocre movies and [TS]

  they don't really understand what it's [TS]

  like to learn about a cast to come to [TS]

  love them over its season after season [TS]

  so I think if this is really going to [TS]

  work you have to think about this in the [TS]

  generational sense and like what is it [TS]

  going to take to get you those teenagers [TS]

  those 20 something's out there to really [TS]

  watch the show and love it and for that [TS]

  reason I think this is a really smart [TS]

  move for them [TS]

  absolutely [TS]

  I mean all everything my kids watch [TS]

  these days is pretty much on one of the [TS]

  streaming services and something pretty [TS]

  mentioned you know when we've done that [TS]

  our star trek debate club episodes in [TS]

  the past we it always comes up that [TS]

  whatever Star Trek was like your star [TS]

  trek and has a lot to do with when you [TS]

  found star trek and when it you and [TS]

  although the movies have been fairly [TS]

  successful so there are younger people [TS]

  who have a perception of Star Trek that [TS]

  it that has that having the JJ Abrams [TS]

  movies out there as opposed to like [TS]

  nothing has been positive but I think [TS]

  you're absolutely right that you want to [TS]

  have a you need to have that kind of TV [TS]

  relationship with Star Trek for you [TS]

  really to make a new generation of fans [TS]

  and and when you think about when the [TS]

  rumors were about them being on Netflix [TS]

  because it turns out star trek really [TS]

  streams well I'm like nets on netflix it [TS]

  does really well and I think it probably [TS]

  is going to do well on CBS's service to [TS]

  the old episodes that this is an [TS]

  interesting idea of like you know [TS]

  building up excitement about a star trek [TS]

  series run in the in a similar way to [TS]

  daredevil or jessica jones coming on [TS]

  netflix i think that I'm pretty cool and [TS]

  and that's been my problem with the [TS]

  movies right like Star Wars is a saga [TS]

  and it makes sense to be giant movies [TS]

  and they kind of retrofit series around [TS]

  it [TS]

  whereas star trek is is that hard it's [TS]

  about explorations but all different [TS]

  kinds of stories and that's been my [TS]

  problem with the JJ movies in general is [TS]

  is that they're trying to make these big [TS]

  giant epic things which it can be but [TS]

  that's not the charm of starts right now [TS]

  yeah I I agree completely before i wanna [TS]

  i want to talk about what this might be [TS]

  and what we like it to be what we like [TS]

  to see but I wanna before i do that [TS]

  anything more people want to say about [TS]

  sort of like the mechanics of this of it [TS]

  going on streaming and and and things [TS]

  like that community can we say something [TS]

  or just second about the writer because [TS]

  you know I think it's very telling that [TS]

  the the one person they're kind of [TS]

  bringing on that has some bona fides [TS]

  with you and the rider frame was more [TS]

  time to the JJ Abrams movies and I [TS]

  thought 2009 Star Trek was successful [TS]

  I've seen into darkness about six or [TS]

  seven times at this point that movie is [TS]

  not good it is of the first world ride [TS]

  you guys get it [TS]

  like a lion make no sense but I i do i [TS]

  actually liked it a lot as it's a good [TS]

  thing you disagree there and you know [TS]

  the the design work is fun but it really [TS]

  really worries me because what I think [TS]

  those movies too is they i guess it's [TS]

  like someone is wearing the suit of Star [TS]

  Trek do you know what I mean where [TS]

  they've taken it may be a really fun [TS]

  action movie and you have the same [TS]

  characters but the core of it is well [TS]

  that's the challenge of it being a film [TS]

  franchise I mean it goes back to to what [TS]

  what David said which is Star Trek as a [TS]

  summer tentpole action movie franchise [TS]

  isn't really how much starter can be i [TS]

  think it's to the credit of the 2007 [TS]

  movie that it is easy 2007-2009 the [TS]

  2008-2009 movie that that it's even [TS]

  feels like Star Trek in anyway because I [TS]

  it is in summer action movie tentpole I [TS]

  it is it is very hard to to do with Star [TS]

  Trek does well when you have to serve [TS]

  that because that's what that's what TV [TS]

  is good at i will say Kurtzman you know [TS]

  is a Star Trek fan he gets star trek and [TS]

  I think the reason that he's been [TS]

  brought in here is because again he's [TS]

  got a deal with CBS and he's got some [TS]

  Star Trek word star trek track record [TS]

  that's really easy to say say that [TS]

  racket our track record track record [TS]

  trick but I you know it's not paramount [TS]

  its CBS they're different [TS]

  there's no guarantee that it's going to [TS]

  be related to the JJ from Steve like [TS]

  timeline in any way and I think I think [TS]

  it's encouraging and also telling that [TS]

  Kurtzman is not being mooted as the [TS]

  showrunner here he's a producer with his [TS]

  production company they're like [TS]

  basically who do we know who knows [TS]

  anything about Star Trek Oh Kurtzman he [TS]

  does hawaii five-o and the limitless [TS]

  let's have him do it kind of feels like [TS]

  he's in the JJ Abrams more than a lot of [TS]

  Jackie show he's looking for a [TS]

  showrunner he's looking for a writer [TS]

  with a vision for this thing and he's [TS]

  not he's not it and so I'm actually kind [TS]

  of encouraged by that because he knows [TS]

  enough about star trek to get it but [TS]

  it's not going to be his show and and [TS]

  the thing I like about that and I've [TS]

  said this before about the JJ movies is [TS]

  that you know like you said about [TS]

  wearing the suit of Star Trek and we [TS]

  haven't changed a retro fit that into [TS]

  Jim Kirk being a chosen one like Luke [TS]

  Skywalker and his famously a star wars [TS]

  fan and not a Star Trek fan and you know [TS]

  I always liked the idea that Jim Kirk [TS]

  was the captain we focused on but there [TS]

  were like 11 other starships out there [TS]

  also having adventures and they were [TS]

  also pretty good to get to be the [TS]

  captains of these starships so it's like [TS]

  he's just a guy doing his job right and [TS]

  that's I mean that's sort of carries [TS]

  over to the others he just created space [TS]

  right and you know so this it's it's [TS]

  kind of bringing it back to that because [TS]

  i'm sure you know they're not going to [TS]

  use the same characters obviously we [TS]

  don't want to confuse people because [TS]

  people are dumb i guess i don't know i [TS]

  could I could watch two different Kirk's [TS]

  and I'd be okay with that capped about [TS]

  him jerk head but you know I i like the [TS]

  thought that we are going to get a [TS]

  different captain in a different ship [TS]

  that's part of this universe whether [TS]

  it's the old universe with the new one [TS]

  it makes sense to be in the new I hope [TS]

  it's not a captain and a ship because I [TS]

  feel like we've had several other series [TS]

  that do that exact thing so let's try [TS]

  something else [TS]

  well yeah [TS]

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  well let's so let's talk about where [TS]

  where they could go cuz i'm fascinated [TS]

  by this like what elements we want to [TS]

  see what we think might be places that [TS]

  they may go and and and then we'll we'll [TS]

  come back in you know 13 14 months and [TS]

  we'll compare notes [TS]

  Scott Scott you you say the old captain [TS]

  and ship paradigm while a classic is [TS]

  also kind of played out what would you [TS]

  like to see instead of that that's a [TS]

  good question i know easy is it it's not [TS]

  so easy that's that's the problem I i [TS]

  make no like they're not going to call [TS]

  me up and say hey Scott do you want to [TS]

  be the showrunner for the new structure [TS]

  and series [TS]

  did I would say you are in deep trouble [TS]

  and I weep for the future of Star Trek [TS]

  but if you like to do a podcast about it [TS]

  I will uh the eye of always liked the [TS]

  the temporal what is it [TS]

  section section everyone i feel like [TS]

  that could be an interesting show and so [TS]

  they could you know time travel over the [TS]

  place they can do all kinds of wacky [TS]

  stuff it's the seedy underbelly of the [TS]

  Federation and I feel like that would be [TS]

  an interesting and you know [TS]

  quote-unquote edgy thing to do [TS]

  well I'll be dr. Trek well not [TS]

  necessarily mean it's not you know III [TS]

  groups got there's an interesting you [TS]

  know an interesting time and didn't [TS]

  think the the thing about Star Trek like [TS]

  David said is it does sort of support [TS]

  all these different ideas like if you [TS]

  wanted to do sort of a bit more of a [TS]

  like almost thriller aspect you can't do [TS]

  that if you will need you want to do [TS]

  just you know pure of exploration you [TS]

  can do that and you can meld all these [TS]

  different topic I mean that's the if you [TS]

  want to say you know the thing that was [TS]

  sort of to me always the highlight of [TS]

  next generation is that it could support [TS]

  all those different tones and ideas from [TS]

  week to week you can just go from being [TS]

  a comedy to being a serious thought [TS]

  provoking drama and you can cover all [TS]

  the bases [TS]

  you know on the on the flip side you [TS]

  know you have something like you know [TS]

  ds9 which has such a long-running plots [TS]

  earth red and dark to it that it really [TS]

  just became this very integrated very [TS]

  complex drama with all these different [TS]

  moving parts which I love that's my [TS]

  favorite of the series but he you know [TS]

  Star Trek as a as a vehicle what you do [TS]

  all those different things because it's [TS]

  so versatile and that's that's kind of [TS]

  one of the joys of it pretty what would [TS]

  you like to see in terms of the premise [TS]

  well i would say it's move away from [TS]

  your Kirk and you know card I feel like [TS]

  I feel like Daisy universe has been [TS]

  adequate [TS]

  we explored at this point what am I I [TS]

  forget who who broke this pilot they [TS]

  were trying to get through a few years [TS]

  ago I heard this and loved it it was on [TS]

  the nnd of the Star Trek TV show that [TS]

  took place at the at like kind of after [TS]

  Voyager where the Federation grown fat [TS]

  and happy and kind of decadent and [TS]

  rather than use their technology to [TS]

  explore they used it to create [TS]

  themselves more and more comfortable [TS]

  lifestyles and you know eventually am [TS]

  you know a descendant of Kirk came on [TS]

  what became to be the enterprise and you [TS]

  discovered a new threat to the [TS]

  Federation and not them really want that [TS]

  particular script but what I appreciated [TS]

  about that story is science fiction at [TS]

  its best kind of mirrors the conflict [TS]

  that we see in our society is one such a [TS]

  big fan of Heinlein that he he he was so [TS]

  insightful of taking like this some [TS]

  error of paranoia and kind of really [TS]

  mirroring that conflict so I want to see [TS]

  a star track that is relevant for twenty [TS]

  fifteen or twenty seventeen when it [TS]

  comes out rather than trying to like [TS]

  captured the these echoes of the parents [TS]

  because I mean look I'm love those i [TS]

  love every one of those crews and ships [TS]

  but i want to see new adventures and I [TS]

  think something is really really key for [TS]

  that is you know my biggest criticism of [TS]

  the Abrams Star tracks is it's primarily [TS]

  adventure for boys and i don't think [TS]

  that they include women so what I want [TS]

  to see is an adventure the kind of [TS]

  reflects the wider track audience and I [TS]

  want to see it like reflect the greater [TS]

  Society tension staying and i'll just [TS]

  say one more thing on Jason's something [TS]

  I think about all the time let's think [TS]

  about Star Trek is your observation [TS]

  you're saying that like Voyager seem [TS]

  like repetition to you because you've [TS]

  seen all these shows leading up to it [TS]

  and I've really been thinking a lot [TS]

  about how do you bring Star Trek out in [TS]

  2015 20 17 and not fall into that trap [TS]

  of like okay let's put out another [TS]

  enterprise episode other Voyager episode [TS]

  like the same science fiction [TS]

  flatline sit star trek kind of recycles [TS]

  at a certain point and I don't know if [TS]

  the way you do it is to kind of pull up [TS]

  a born and make it a little bit more [TS]

  realistic [TS]

  I don't know if you get a little bit [TS]

  more esoteric and and like the first [TS]

  track movie was but i think they've got [TS]

  put some kind of spin onyx I think just [TS]

  recycling that same formula is not going [TS]

  to be successful [TS]

  I I think premix earlier point about the [TS]

  reflecting the the time that you're in [TS]

  and I you know well she was talking [TS]

  about that i was just thinking that the [TS]

  best example of that in recent years [TS]

  that i can think of was the occupation [TS]

  story arc in battlestar galactica in the [TS]

  reboot right was it a fantastic job of [TS]

  taking something that was a very thorny [TS]

  issue that was coming up in you know in [TS]

  our own society at that time and [TS]

  explored it through a different lens and [TS]

  so it would [TS]

  there is so much interesting stuff to [TS]

  pick apart right now in where are our [TS]

  society is and where it's going that you [TS]

  know science fiction is always such a [TS]

  good mirror to be able to sort of you [TS]

  know look at that but kind of distorted [TS]

  in a way that makes you think it makes [TS]

  you sort of extrapolate from where it is [TS]

  so I agree that finding someone who is [TS]

  willing to take that because it can be [TS]

  risky to you know you can you risk [TS]

  alienating people with that kind of [TS]

  thing but i think it's it's valuable and [TS]

  it should be done David uh what do you [TS]

  think about where they should go and [TS]

  we've talked about all sorts of things [TS]

  in the past but I'm just too right now [TS]

  thinking of well of the one shot here [TS]

  what kind of thing would you like to see [TS]

  as a as a premise now it's been [TS]

  basically it's it's the one idea that [TS]

  I've have come back to over and over [TS]

  again of and-and-and which would you [TS]

  know we've talked about it working at a [TS]

  netflix it would work gangbusters here [TS]

  especially since they are selling it as [TS]

  come see this and all the other series [TS]

  are here to is to do something where it [TS]

  is [TS]

  story arcs and then you can have a [TS]

  little bit of all of those kind of [TS]

  concepts you can have the exploration [TS]

  ship you can have the time-travel you [TS]

  can have the entry get Starfleet Command [TS]

  or you know it can be any kind of thing [TS]

  it can be short arcs long arcs they can [TS]

  all interweave into one another and [TS]

  because they're they seem to be coming [TS]

  around to the idea that we can make this [TS]

  niche programming for the people that [TS]

  really wanted [TS]

  and maybe we don't have faith in it [TS]

  going on the network but we'll put it on [TS]

  this thing and see how many people pay [TS]

  for it they can they don't have to worry [TS]

  about it being the exact same CSI [TS]

  episode every day I'm week right [TS]

  it's not the same criminal minds episode [TS]

  every day I'm week they can do something [TS]

  a little more interesting like that so [TS]

  yeah i would i would do the not quite [TS]

  anthology idea and that can that you [TS]

  know you could you could go through any [TS]

  of the ira's that we've already had or [TS]

  you could do like the idw comic book [TS]

  series is doing which is doing a [TS]

  surprisingly good job of this they're [TS]

  taking the JJ universe and retelling [TS]

  stories but there are variations and [TS]

  doing kind of interesting variations on [TS]

  things we already know so that fans you [TS]

  know longtime fans are going to get it [TS]

  they're gonna get the triple story but [TS]

  it's a totally different travel story [TS]

  it's going to the tribbles homeworld and [TS]

  oh that's interesting but the new people [TS]

  are going to be feel left out because [TS]

  it's all references right you know [TS]

  there's sort of that sense of BS they're [TS]

  reliving these kind of things but it's [TS]

  it's a little more interesting that way [TS]

  and then if you go back to the original [TS]

  ones you go home that's what that meant [TS]

  and that's what this meant because i [TS]

  think at heart [TS]

  at its core it's always going to be a [TS]

  captain and a ship because it is called [TS]

  Star Trek it's about movement and we [TS]

  can't assume that my kids are going to [TS]

  have that history of seeing all seven [TS]

  hundred and however many hours of track [TS]

  so you know they're going to come into [TS]

  it fresh they're gonna be like oh it's a [TS]

  guy on a ship or a woman on a ship and [TS]

  their-their multicultural crew and [TS]

  they're going off and discovering things [TS]

  and there's still room to do all that [TS]

  other stuff around [TS]

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  my gut feeling is that this needs to be [TS]

  something that is is new like brie said [TS]

  it needs to not feel like a retread of [TS]

  something I feel like the danger of [TS]

  get-go jumping too far back into [TS]

  something something that's an anthology [TS]

  is that you really do want to establish [TS]

  established characters and you want to [TS]

  you want you want to you know make [TS]

  people attach those characters just like [TS]

  the people whose another well this new [TS]

  star trek that's coming out is no good [TS]

  because justin kirk and spock and then [TS]

  there's a whole new generation so to [TS]

  speak who loved up the card and and data [TS]

  and you know maybe somebody like Troy [TS]

  anyway uh huh [TS]

  he was so that's what I feel like needs [TS]

  to happen is is it whether it whether [TS]

  it's a crew in a ship fundamentally or [TS]

  whether it's some characters who are in [TS]

  this world that includes the spaceships [TS]

  and the exploration all that I don't [TS]

  know but I feel like it needs to be uh [TS]

  it needs to be modern like preset it [TS]

  needs to be these episodes need to all [TS]

  tie together they need it needs to be [TS]

  visible right it niazi it needs to play [TS]

  all of the tricks of 2015 and so was [TS]

  someone i say this i mean this again I'm [TS]

  not trying to cross various franchises [TS]

  here but what the BBC did in 2004 when [TS]

  they hired Russell T Davis to bring back [TS]

  doctor who was they found somebody who [TS]

  is an established talented TV writer who [TS]

  also happen to be a fan of Doctor Who [TS]

  and said what would you do and what [TS]

  Russell T Davis did was say I want to [TS]

  make it like Buffy not i want to make it [TS]

  like doctor who was in 1976 but I want [TS]

  to make it like Buffy because that's a [TS]

  modern ish show that has a sensibility [TS]

  that is much more what we should be [TS]

  doing now and I feel like that's what [TS]

  Star Trek needs is they need somebody to [TS]

  say i want this to be kinda like I don't [TS]

  know [TS]

  daredevil or or window side something [TS]

  something like that or the flash or [TS]

  whatever whatever that touchdown is it [TS]

  needs to be like this kind of show not [TS]

  not not necessarily in terms of the [TS]

  content because it needs to be star trek [TS]

  but in terms of the tone and how you [TS]

  make a show and how you tell stories on [TS]

  a streaming service in 2017 and [TS]

  yeah it probably is gonna have to [TS]

  involve a spaceship because its star [TS]

  trek I think you're right but i would [TS]

  love to see something about it that [TS]

  makes it not the you know continuing [TS]

  repeatable runoff missions of the [TS]

  Starship XYZ and makes it something that [TS]

  feels modern and I don't know how you do [TS]

  that that this is wine [TS]

  none of us are going to be hired to do [TS]

  this but I i keep your guard up [TS]

  nope sorry David the resumes in the mail [TS]

  CBS but but i wanna i wanna i want to [TS]

  admit that it's probably going to be a [TS]

  show like without with a with a [TS]

  spaceship and a captain and the crew but [TS]

  I I want to come back to what brie said [TS]

  because I think that's true to it needs [TS]

  to feel different and modern in a way [TS]

  that we don't all go oh great here we go [TS]

  again there's going to be another [TS]

  episode we're stuck in time in another [TS]

  episode of the mysterious alien that [TS]

  turns out to be in their dreams and you [TS]

  know I and that's why I would also say [TS]

  it needs to be somebody who's never done [TS]

  star trek before in any form even [TS]

  something like Ron more i just want to [TS]

  see it i don't see anybody I want [TS]

  somebody who grew up loving next [TS]

  generation or deep space nine or Voyager [TS]

  and I want them but is now stammers no [TS]

  now I busted for what is now established [TS]

  doing their own stuff was like you know [TS]

  what I will take a crack at it [TS]

  the only exception to that I would watch [TS]

  many co do whatever he wants i don't [TS]

  know i mean again I don't think I don't [TS]

  think referencing the past as fun as [TS]

  that was for old fans is going to be a [TS]

  way to do it i think like whatever run [TS]

  but Russell Davis did was doctor who was [TS]

  there was a little bit there for the [TS]

  fans'll yeah I get that but nobody [TS]

  needed to know any of it and I think [TS]

  that that is what Star Trek needs is is [TS]

  no history required to do it right and I [TS]

  mean that's the beauty of Peter David's [TS]

  new frontier books is that it's a nice [TS]

  blend of the continuing intrigue of deep [TS]

  space nine while still having a ship [TS]

  while still having all these other you [TS]

  know it is a larger arc without being [TS]

  overwhelming so free I want to talk to [TS]

  you about how you put a how you put a [TS]

  crew together because it's funny when we [TS]

  talk about Star Trek even the modern [TS]

  star trek by 2015 20 17 standards is not [TS]

  as diverse [TS]

  as we would like to see would you agree [TS]

  with that yes i would create that I [TS]

  think that's one of the one of the [TS]

  interesting challenges here is that even [TS]

  stuff that seemed groundbreaking at the [TS]

  time and that's really even back to the [TS]

  original series right is not is not true [TS]

  today so i think one of the real [TS]

  challenges is to die i think i think i [TS]

  would even say they will fail if we look [TS]

  at the crew and it turns out to be that [TS]

  its first off mostly mostly human and [TS]

  mostly men and then you will have the [TS]

  occasional well it's mostly men but [TS]

  they're there are a couple of women and [TS]

  some of the men aren't white so we're [TS]

  good right I feel like that this the art [TS]

  even just put in a 10 years since [TS]

  enterprise we are not you know that kind [TS]

  of that kind of stuff is not going to [TS]

  fly this this is needs to be a [TS]

  reflection of 2017 not a reflection of [TS]

  2,000 or 1965 why I feel like it's worth [TS]

  saying you know I'm am somebody that [TS]

  talks about diversity a lot in is so i [TS]

  feel like i have enough credibility to [TS]

  say is the mission is not to fill a [TS]

  bunch of checkboxes right like the [TS]

  missions to make really really really [TS]

  excellent characters that have conflict [TS]

  and play off of each other and build [TS]

  each other up and you know have [TS]

  chemistry in that way and sometimes [TS]

  filled with this diversity conversation [TS]

  it does feel like that it's selfishness [TS]

  is the mission objective but I think you [TS]

  can have both [TS]

  I was no swinging the other day about [TS]

  how you can look at someone actually [TS]

  went through watched every episode of [TS]

  Star Trek cover and looked at how they [TS]

  did it the battle test and you know it [TS]

  was very bad with TLS better with the [TS]

  mtng ds9 it reached its zenith with [TS]

  Voyager where astonishingly high [TS]

  percentage of the episodes past that [TS]

  then plummeted with enterprise and then [TS]

  you know if you look at JJ Abrams movies [TS]

  i would guess that there will continue [TS]

  this trend downwards so you know it's [TS]

  it's something we need to see and you [TS]

  know that doesn't just mean women it [TS]

  means you know I think we're having more [TS]

  conversations about gay people than we [TS]

  did one enterprise was on the air think [TS]

  transgender people is something we [TS]

  talked about a lot more so i just i want [TS]

  to see I want to see more of that you [TS]

  Felicia Day had a fantastic blog when [TS]

  you know into darkness came out talking [TS]

  about where the female captain's you [TS]

  know like where are they they're they're [TS]

  a bunch of Star Trek captain Singh a [TS]

  table there are no women you know and I [TS]

  I think you're right this is just not [TS]

  going to feel authentic and frankly you [TS]

  know women are very important part of [TS]

  the geek audience today and we need to [TS]

  be you know our money is just as good as [TS]

  anyone elses so you include some the [TS]

  star trek mission which is people [TS]

  working together love all different [TS]

  backgrounds like that's the whole point [TS]

  but I mentioned this in a previous [TS]

  episode but again to bring back to the [TS]

  doctor who theme because i think that's [TS]

  a model for taking an old franchise and [TS]

  doing something new with it that that is [TS]

  still true to the original is the old [TS]

  doctor who audience when you went to [TS]

  these conventions was a whole bunch of [TS]

  of men who came to it in the seventies [TS]

  or the sixties or maybe the eighties at [TS]

  you know getting older every year and [TS]

  then if you go to a doctor who [TS]

  convention now it is young and it is it [TS]

  is female predominantly and that is [TS]

  because they gave it a shot in the arm [TS]

  and they made it something that was more [TS]

  expensive and spoke to a broader [TS]

  audience and Star Trek has to do that or [TS]

  it will just continue to wither and die [TS]

  a it needs to not eat it eat its own [TS]

  tail and that that that goes to a lot of [TS]

  breaking a lot of maybe unwritten rules [TS]

  about what Star Trek supposed to be I [TS]

  mean it's like someone just asked the [TS]

  newly-elected Prime Minister canada why [TS]

  is your you're putting together your [TS]

  cabinet why is your candidate gender [TS]

  balanced and he said because it's 2015 [TS]

  the you know love and i mean just took [TS]

  that as you're talking just now I was [TS]

  thinking the easiest way to fix the [TS]

  problems with the original series is to [TS]

  you know let the other characters talk [TS]

  once in awhile it would be nice to know [TS]

  more about her and Sulu and you know and [TS]

  there's no reason why they couldn't have [TS]

  done that modern TV is all about I mean [TS]

  that's why mention characters earlier [TS]

  modern TV this the things you cannot get [TS]

  away with even even the characters that [TS]

  we saw in the new we think of a new star [TS]

  trek series like deep space nine and [TS]

  next-generation those were little tiny [TS]

  character bits scattered in standalone [TS]

  episodes over the course of many years [TS]

  right [TS]

  but if you look at modern television [TS]

  that's not gonna do it right like unique [TS]

  characters who are where we care as much [TS]

  about the characters as we do about the [TS]

  plot because that's how TV works now is [TS]

  is you spend time with these characters [TS]

  and you really get attached to them and [TS]

  you tell an ongoing story and it's the [TS]

  story of the characters as much as it is [TS]

  the story about what happens this week [TS]

  and you can avoid that if you do that [TS]

  again i think you risk just failing as a [TS]

  show and I think Game of Thrones Game of [TS]

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  tackle and make it you know 14 ships [TS]

  with different crew maybe that maybe too [TS]

  many but but you make it you can have a [TS]

  big playing space exactly just like [TS]

  playing space we're talking about all of [TS]

  the galaxy star trek is a huge body of a [TS]

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  have you know you can basically do game [TS]

  of thrones only with Star Trek probably [TS]

  less nudity and blood but maybe it is [TS]

  streaming it's true not broadcast [TS]

  streaming yeah they're selling it [TS]

  internationally this is that's the other [TS]

  part that i didn't mention when we talk [TS]

  about the business angle of this is that [TS]

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  this [TS]

  the day after the announcement les [TS]

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  you know we're already making the deals [TS]

  to sell the show into international [TS]

  markets and it's going to pay it [TS]

  basically it's going to pay for itself [TS]

  before we even make it so for them to [TS]

  put it on all access this is a loss [TS]

  leader for them they're going to make [TS]

  all their money internationally and [TS]

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  this thing right because nothing's been [TS]

  nothing exists like an input box it's [TS]

  just it's Star Trek and it's coming in [TS]

  2017 what's it about who's doing it [TS]

  nobody knows who's in it nobody knows [TS]

  right so we can do that i like that [TS]

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  vision was for Star Trek I don't know [TS]

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  mechanics and I how many episodes like [TS]

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  imagine anyone week Winchell yeah i [TS]

  would i would think that they would just [TS]

  stretch it out once a week they want to [TS]

  revolutionize things but not that not [TS]

  that much no it's a slow evolution [TS]

  because they want you to come back at an [TS]

  appointed time it may not be that [TS]

  specific hour but it'll be that day like [TS]

  all the new comics come out on wednesday [TS]

  i feel like it is it's that sort of [TS]

  thing where they've got something new I [TS]

  but yeah I i think i think this is all a [TS]

  question and if it does well there's [TS]

  also the question of like does this [TS]

  become what what are the creative [TS]

  possibilities because we don't we don't [TS]

  even know like could you do different [TS]

  like what Marvel's doing with their TV [TS]

  series on netflix is their kind of [TS]

  interconnected but they're not the same [TS]

  show every time so that's a possibility [TS]

  or with a or would they rather just say [TS]

  well you know if these 13 do well then [TS]

  we'll order another 13 and then we'll [TS]

  just order another 13 I don't know right [TS]

  it might be a blend of both it might I [TS]

  mean this is the place that gave us NCIS [TS]

  New Orleans and NCIS LA and CSI miami [TS]

  CSI new york mets and they all may know [TS]

  and they all make money i do so and and [TS]

  the thing that is depressing about that [TS]

  is that they are essentially [TS]

  interchangeable you know i would i would [TS]

  hope that whatever they do with Star [TS]

  Trek if they do decide to do more than [TS]

  just one concept or one series is that [TS]

  they would let them each have their own [TS]

  personality like the Marvel stuff I i [TS]

  would hope that they're smart enough to [TS]

  do that based on the reaction to all the [TS]

  Marvel and DC stuff but we'll see [TS]

  and let's not a I love star trek i have [TS]

  a structure podcast I just saying this [TS]

  because I'm going to say something mean [TS]

  about starting my but let's not pretend [TS]

  that every episode of Star Trek is this [TS]

  golden perfect masterpiece that exists [TS]

  now there are no ho there are plenty of [TS]

  episodes of Star Trek that could be any [TS]

  series of Star Trek it doesn't matter [TS]

  there wasn't i was watching an episode [TS]

  of voyager where they beam down to a [TS]

  planet and I had no idea if I was [TS]

  watching the next generation or Voyager [TS]

  it had a fountain and there was an [TS]

  atrium it was exactly the same so well [TS]

  if you're a real fan of Star Trek you be [TS]

  able to tell from the lighting and just [TS]

  know it instantly [TS]

  well I think he'll I could tell it was [TS]

  avoided for episode because of the four [TS]

  characters but ok Harry Kim was it but [TS]

  it seems really really not that starting [TS]

  any Star Trek episode could be any [TS]

  episode of NCIS too so they're really [TS]

  just they're firing on all cylinders [TS]

  there scott bakula yeah there you go [TS]

  they should cross over right there [TS]

  well it's it is true that CBS has has [TS]

  that you know let's move is a smart [TS]

  businessman and they see value in Star [TS]

  Trek which I'm encouraged by and you [TS]

  know I i think that i think that that's [TS]

  all good i would love to see them have [TS]

  the problem of saying how do we do more [TS]

  of this might my reluctance about the [TS]

  all-access thing is that it's sad [TS]

  sounds to me like something that is [TS]

  marketed at existing rabbits Star Trek [TS]

  fans and not as establishing a new [TS]

  audience and the fact that they're going [TS]

  to get a wise yeah the fact that they're [TS]

  going to broadcast the the perp premiere [TS]

  on CBS at least is a hey first ones for [TS]

  everybody at least that is like trying [TS]

  to build an audience for it but when I [TS]

  think about like those shows on the CW [TS]

  that have young fans right young young [TS]

  fans [TS]

  yeah yeah lots of young people are [TS]

  watching on streaming now but i'm not [TS]

  sure lots of young people would have [TS]

  found arrow or the flash or I zombie or [TS]

  something like that or doctor who [TS]

  if the only way to get it was on a on a [TS]

  pay streaming service especially one [TS]

  that their parents didn't already have [TS]

  because it's netflix right or because [TS]

  they've got amazon prime so that [TS]

  concerns me but the ratings for flash [TS]

  and arrow are not very good right people [TS]

  are not watching on the CW CW standards [TS]

  they are the and in fact the flash is [TS]

  actually good enough to be on like it [TS]

  makes room pretty close to like main [TS]

  broadcast network ratings but it is it's [TS]

  a scale thing it's totally a scale [TS]

  things BTW numbers never going to have [TS]

  CBS or NBC I but that's it that's [TS]

  irrelevant what I'm what I'm saying is [TS]

  that it's in a place where it has it has [TS]

  built a fandom and that is something [TS]

  that I'm not sure [TS]

  CBS all access can provide but that's [TS]

  why they're announcing it over a year in [TS]

  advance [TS]

  I mean my kids did not want to watch [TS]

  Supergirl when it was on the TV in the [TS]

  room monday night at eight and then the [TS]

  next day when I was like well how was it [TS]

  was pretty good and then they go and [TS]

  find it on the ipad and and the apple TV [TS]

  and I think that's where it's gonna kick [TS]

  in is where you have parents who have [TS]

  already gotten it and already [TS]

  subscribing because they you know how [TS]

  long have we been saying i want CBS [TS]

  shows on hulu well alright this is not [TS]

  on hulu but les Moonves but you know i'm [TS]

  like i said i'm getting it for Colbert [TS]

  everything else is gravy and I don't [TS]

  really watch anything else but Supergirl [TS]

  right now I think Jason's point is is [TS]

  something too [TS]

  think about though because i don't want [TS]

  and what I don't want it to be is some [TS]

  kind of perfectly craft nostalgia bomb [TS]

  that appeals to existing Star Trek fans [TS]

  because we're already fans so that [TS]

  doesn't really help i want more people [TS]

  to like Star Trek so that they will [TS]

  continue to make more star trek things [TS]

  oh i know i'm not i'm not saying that's [TS]

  who's going to subscribe i'm saying it's [TS]

  the people who are already subscribing [TS]

  because CBS great it's not necessarily [TS]

  not sure how many of those people are I [TS]

  don't think that's a big audience [TS]

  no I don't know so I'm gonna do I'm [TS]

  gonna do a little rapid-fire around here [TS]

  because it's me [TS]

  haha no shall we draft something just [TS]

  interested it's like no I wish we could [TS]

  dress them right now again but I don't [TS]

  know your flight I don't know what that [TS]

  would be kind of take it identical [TS]

  everybody's take on some possible things [TS]

  that they could do and whether you would [TS]

  like them to do it or not so my first [TS]

  question is JJ Abrams universe original [TS]

  Star Trek universe or entirely new [TS]

  variation on Star Trek universe brie [TS]

  what do you think i'm good with whatever [TS]

  i think im gonna be fun with that JJ [TS]

  Abrams universe because it's kind of [TS]

  giving them permission to reinvent [TS]

  everything that's gone but uh before [TS]

  battlefield I think either way could be [TS]

  done well Scott what do you think I [TS]

  think JJ Abrams universe because it just [TS]

  like reset it gives them the freedom to [TS]

  just reinvent stuff so you know there [TS]

  are no dilithium crystals probably what [TS]

  that's crazy [TS]

  everything is powered by cookies or [TS]

  something I don't know once again I'm [TS]

  not going to call my dealer and a [TS]

  question do it captain the cookies of [TS]

  crumbled something like that David what [TS]

  do you think i'm also going to go with [TS]

  JJ universe because again it lets them [TS]

  reinvent everything you know the idw [TS]

  comics are doing that really well and [TS]

  and this becomes their agents of shield [TS]

  this promotes the way I hope not listen [TS]

  for well no except you know good now i [TS]

  don't know if the connection is about [TS]

  strong though between the that that's [TS]

  the thing is that it's it's just the [TS]

  name of Ages just the name agents of [TS]

  shield is like that now too because the [TS]

  Marvel TV and movies are not done by the [TS]

  same group of people [TS]

  and what do you think you know I was [TS]

  leaning towards the the original [TS]

  universe but I think you guys have also [TS]

  won me over to either the JJ Abrams [TS]

  universe or just an entirely new [TS]

  universe because of that ability to go [TS]

  anywhere do anything not be burdened by [TS]

  the years and years and years of baggage [TS]

  left in there so i think the JJ Abrams [TS]

  universe could be interesting but I also [TS]

  think would be interested like if they [TS]

  like sort of did like a next-generation [TS]

  from TOS thing where it's like we're [TS]

  gonna set out like a couple hundred [TS]

  years laughter the JJ Abrams universe [TS]

  and still have lots of room in there for [TS]

  people to do other things but i also [TS]

  think an entirely new universe gives you [TS]

  a ton of opportunities there's enough [TS]

  established things that you can start a [TS]

  point to and be like a pit star trek you [TS]

  know don't forget it star trek but we [TS]

  can also still different distance [TS]

  herself and do all these new things but [TS]

  it would be it would be quite a few a [TS]

  middle finger extended to Paramount if [TS]

  CBS launch the star trek series with [TS]

  Kirk and Spock and McCoy with different [TS]

  actors like that we got our own we got [TS]

  our own character i think that sinks [TS]

  everybody but i will say i bet part of [TS]

  the whole rights tangle was resolved by [TS]

  saying we'll do it in the same universe [TS]

  with different characters and we won't [TS]

  touch your movies and you won't touch [TS]

  her show [TS]

  yeah that could be I do i do I even [TS]

  doing the same Universal what well I i [TS]

  think that that's why that was one of [TS]

  the options although I you know I i [TS]

  agree i think for the comic-book reasons [TS]

  of tangled continuity and you end up [TS]

  having to fulfill you know this litany [TS]

  of all these past shows that you don't [TS]

  go and say we're gonna set it post and [TS]

  repair start post Voyager in the old [TS]

  original TV universe even though that [TS]

  might be fun because you know you you [TS]

  can't you're not allowed to go back [TS]

  until the same stories over again like [TS]

  you know star trek into darkness but ah [TS]

  ay you know at the same time I think [TS]

  it's just shackled by the continuity of [TS]

  it so you better be better off picking [TS]

  up the sound effects and the art [TS]

  direction and things like that that [TS]

  without that feature film spent lots of [TS]

  money doing and you can just sort of [TS]

  lift it as you say you know what you do [TS]

  here is you take a page from what the CW [TS]

  has done with arrow and flash those are [TS]

  both things connected to a gigantic [TS]

  model you know like all this continuity [TS]

  from years and years but they're like [TS]

  they're not afraid to go and do totally [TS]

  different things and [TS]

  change characters and change things when [TS]

  they want to but they also don't mind [TS]

  putting in you know a tip of the hat to [TS]

  continuity that came before and even [TS]

  just you know not beholden to the [TS]

  continuity but referencing it when they [TS]

  feel like it and I think that's been [TS]

  wildly successful in that case so you [TS]

  know I I don't mind if they start off on [TS]

  a new star trek universe as if they're [TS]

  gonna sort of be able to have that [TS]

  essentially have their cake and eat it [TS]

  too in that way but and thanks to Spock [TS]

  prime and everything they set up in the [TS]

  first of the new movies you can have [TS]

  that as another alternate universe to [TS]

  visit once in awhile just like you had [TS]

  the mirror universe so my next question [TS]

  for everybody is going to be would you [TS]

  rather see a crew on a spaceship a crew [TS]

  on a space station or something [TS]

  completely different [TS]

  Scott I would like to see a space [TS]

  station on a spaceship which is [TS]

  agreement with no crew and even better [TS]

  roads are not really what do you think [TS]

  well I think I think the some things we [TS]

  really key Jason is what you're talking [TS]

  about earlier that kind of been jables [TS]

  state with it and i think there's going [TS]

  to be like a kind of complex tapestry is [TS]

  going on here so i think i want to see a [TS]

  spaceship because I think that's kind of [TS]

  the thrill the new star trek right you [TS]

  get to like see the new enterprise where [TS]

  the new ship is but I think like it's [TS]

  clearly for to really work as a bendable [TS]

  show you have to see them like [TS]

  interacting with the Federation more [TS]

  don't think it's going to be going to a [TS]

  new planet every week sorry I I think [TS]

  it's kind of going to be both [TS]

  cool damn I i was a i really liked [TS]

  i think scott using just the sort of the [TS]

  game of thrones you know parallels to [TS]

  the big cat [TS]

  the big cat [TS]

  SII was kind of doing something like [TS]

  that like maybe there's a crew off on a [TS]

  spaceship and then there's a crew back [TS]

  home on a space station maybe there's [TS]

  some interplay between those two maybe [TS]

  there's multiple spaceships i don't know [TS]

  but i like the idea of something that's [TS]

  got really just big scope in your just [TS]

  reinventing deep space nine again [TS]

  yes wait hold on but there's a space [TS]

  station meets it should be Cardassian [TS]

  can michael dorn be on the show [TS]

  no he shouldn't have me on every show no [TS]

  David what about you something different [TS]

  or a ship or a space station [TS]

  I mean complex tapestry I mean that's [TS]

  exactly it [TS]

  you know it has everything if I had to [TS]

  pick between spaceship and space station [TS]

  it will be a ship every time as much as [TS]

  I love deep space nine I I you know I [TS]

  remember in our in our TV character [TS]

  draft i did i did crafty workplace [TS]

  sitcom that set on a star heat spaceship [TS]

  where they're hosting a late night [TS]

  no yeah mhm sure and it's like no it was [TS]

  like The West Wing really the west wing [TS]

  and in space but i agree i feel like you [TS]

  need him you need a mission that that [TS]

  unravels that you know and last an [TS]

  entire season there's going to be an [TS]

  ongoing story line not not planted at [TS]

  the week I think that's the way modern [TS]

  TV is told and and yeah the characters [TS]

  are going to be important so they may [TS]

  start on the ship [TS]

  let me get started on Space Station get [TS]

  assigned to a ship and then have to go [TS]

  to a planet and and and the story [TS]

  continues but making assigned to a [TS]

  planet have to go to share but I know [TS]

  it's and the ship is on a planet which [TS]

  is on a space station it's a very maybe [TS]

  is urgent and maybe you follow one [TS]

  storyline at Starfleet Academy and then [TS]

  you follow that character as he goes and [TS]

  interact so he goes and maybe you are [TS]

  that carry out my god that's our virtual [TS]

  reality i think i think though that I [TS]

  think though that that BRE is right that [TS]

  it is Star Trek and at its core there's [TS]

  gonna need to be a ship that's like the [TS]

  ship of the show and that is going to be [TS]

  uh an important part of it even if it is [TS]

  not we have seven characters and they [TS]

  work on a ship and every week they go to [TS]

  a new planet because although that is a [TS]

  star trek trope it is also it it doesn't [TS]

  feel modern and I think we can all agree [TS]

  on hallowed ex-l have that all the time [TS]

  so this time for sure they've got all [TS]

  the wrinkles workout that's right it's [TS]

  ninety-five percent holiday [TS]

  actually I didn't just at the end at the [TS]

  end of the season Riker walks in and [TS]

  goes in program says that wouldn't work [TS]

  yeah yeah just for a perfect freedom you [TS]

  start a new one every striker and les [TS]

  Moonves walk away and he'll just he'll [TS]

  just start a mentalist emphasis is are [TS]

  you happy now nerds County counts as [TS]

  money from the CBS all access and then [TS]

  shut down the computer he and I'm [TS]

  excited [TS]

  it is exciting isn't it to new starter I [TS]

  mean I remember that moment in what it [TS]

  whatever 2003-2004 would be the BBC said [TS]

  we don't know what's happening but [TS]

  doctor who will be back in 2005 and [TS]

  we're working it out and that was still [TS]

  really damn exciting because we've [TS]

  talked about it on this podcast a bunch [TS]

  like why aren't they doing more Star [TS]

  Trek Star Trek is a TV show it deserves [TS]

  to be a TV show and it is exciting that [TS]

  it's not just like rumor but monday [TS]

  morning it was like rumor has it they're [TS]

  working on a Star Trek development [TS]

  something or other and then press [TS]

  release comes out and it's like nope [TS]

  January 2017 whole new star trek series [TS]

  premieres done [TS]

  it's like wow that is you know and it [TS]

  and it is the parallel to you know just [TS]

  to either with this with Star Wars which [TS]

  which David brought up before is being [TS]

  sued to the movies book for all you know [TS]

  what post prequels we had clone wars and [TS]

  we had you know a little bit of rebels [TS]

  later on they're both good but i think [TS]

  you know that doesn't compare to the [TS]

  announcement that they were going to [TS]

  start making new Star Wars movies right [TS]

  because once again it is sort of [TS]

  marrying the form factor and the actual [TS]

  storytelling into the shape that it [TS]

  should be and so I think it is really [TS]

  exciting that that Star Trek is coming [TS]

  back to TV because it does seem like the [TS]

  the medium in which that story was meant [TS]

  to be told i guess i would say this i [TS]

  would say this and you know i say this [TS]

  with all respect to longtime fans but [TS]

  you know it seems to me that when [TS]

  Voyager came out fans scream from the [TS]

  hills and they I hear it all the time [TS]

  they don't like that show and then [TS]

  enterprise came down what you expect [TS]

  from Hill people right it's never been [TS]

  married [TS]

  they've picked it apart and you know [TS]

  that after that it's like it's like what [TS]

  are you happy now we have to have [TS]

  star trek on TV in a decade and I really [TS]

  I i think a danger of this show coming [TS]

  out is invariably the formula is going [TS]

  to have to be tweet yourself [TS]

  it cannot be just an echo of the past [TS]

  and I says with all respect I think fan [TS]

  rage if they do what they need to do to [TS]

  make this appeal to a younger audience i [TS]

  think that is going to be a real risk [TS]

  this show so I would ask all the [TS]

  incomparable listeners which I i hope [TS]

  you were nice reasonable open-minded [TS]

  people only and I i hope you'll give [TS]

  this a fair chance you know because it's [TS]

  it's not it's not really about our [TS]

  individual tastes as much as it's about [TS]

  the longevity of the franchise because i [TS]

  want you know I want teenagers a hundred [TS]

  years from now to be watching Star Trek [TS]

  and you know like that it's gonna have [TS]

  to change for that to happen but this is [TS]

  I've been in the died due to go back to [TS]

  Doctor Who for a second this is the [TS]

  thing that happened is there were some [TS]

  really cranky people to this day like [TS]

  you know I don't watch the new series [TS]

  it's not proper doctor who and all that [TS]

  but the fact is most of the doctor who [TS]

  fans of the classic series like that's [TS]

  back and it's modern it's actually [TS]

  better because it's modern and and you [TS]

  there's some there's some drama and [TS]

  there's some people who are unhappy [TS]

  about it but in the end I think the most [TS]

  people would agree that that is a better [TS]

  that it be active and vibrant and [TS]

  different than that it just be dead and [TS]

  the people who would rather it be dead [TS]

  and never change [TS]

  you can't you can't win with those [TS]

  people so you just leave them in the [TS]

  hills where they're shouting if they do [TS]

  the right if they do it like they did [TS]

  doctor who they made enough changes to [TS]

  make it appeal to a mainstream audience [TS]

  so they could alienate the hardcore [TS]

  doctor who fans because it doesn't [TS]

  matter because enough people like it [TS]

  the problem with enterprise for example [TS]

  is that face it wasn't good enough to [TS]

  appeal to a mainstream audience and they [TS]

  made the Star Trek fans angry alienated [TS]

  his lab he modern storytelling it for [TS]

  modern audiences and you gotta do it [TS]

  that the fact is bringing back doctor [TS]

  who meant let's make it more like Buffy [TS]

  not let's make it like old doctor who [TS]

  and that that was the right decision [TS]

  even though it seems weird and scary and [TS]

  a 20-17 audience is not [TS]

  going to want to watch a show from 1990 [TS]

  I can't wait until the 2050 audience [TS]

  like that showed that kind of show is [TS]

  just gonna be in comprehensive Leumi [TS]

  it's gonna be like so frenetic this is [TS]

  like explosions every 30 seconds with [TS]

  being an old person is dan just ask the [TS]

  people who watch CBS oh we're reminded [TS]

  Kenjon Jasper tonight everybody bad les [TS]

  Moonves rich successful business is to [TS]

  step but giant piles of money les [TS]

  Moonves Steve indeed it is but fun new [TS]

  star trek in the world soon i'm very [TS]

  excited about that just that it's just [TS]

  like a like four months after the 50th [TS]

  anniversary of the premiere of Star Trek [TS]

  is when this thing's gonna come on [TS]

  so that's a pretty cool i like to thank [TS]

  my panel of Star Trek experts will say [TS]

  for joining me to talk about this [TS]

  Scott Mykelti thank you as always thank [TS]

  you Jason [TS]

  live long and prosper may the force be [TS]

  with you there we go haha gotta live [TS]

  never loved you more than I love you in [TS]

  this moment did more in Jedi mind-trick [TS]

  something and Vulcan archery team beefy [TS]

  me down captain David lower thank you [TS]

  thank you I i just wanna say less alex [TS]

  call me i'm i'm free i just want to know [TS]

  he'll work for free is what do you mean [TS]

  why haven't we seen Luke where is luton [TS]

  interesting and Brianna Wu as always a [TS]

  pleasure to talk star trek with you [TS]

  thank you thank you give me CBS give me [TS]

  a woman captain on the shell and i will [TS]

  sing your prices from the hills like [TS]

  make it happen well let me tell you [TS]

  you'll be token like well its got two [TS]

  women characters in it is not gonna fly [TS]

  anymore haha no it's not gonna fly [TS]

  not my twitter we might even get to talk [TS]

  to each other that imagine that imagine [TS]

  that all right and to everybody out [TS]

  there thank you stay tuned for our [TS]

  wall-to-wall coverage of new Star Trek [TS]

  started in 2017 but until then probably [TS]

  wall-to-wall coverage of Star Wars is [TS]

  just around the corner so many stars so [TS]

  many wars so many tracks i have been [TS]

  your host Jason cell we will see you [TS]

  next week [TS]

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