272: Laid a Lot of Foundations
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number 272 November 2015 welcome back
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everybody to the comfortable i'm your
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host Jason smell were here
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I'm convening a special episode of our
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book club series as was foretold in our
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fifth anniversary episode in the middle
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of that episode our good pal mr. Scott
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McNulty I believe suggested we could go
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back into a classic science fiction
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novel for book club like foundation or
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something like that and i always am
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trying to find new topics because we're
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getting up toward episode 304 that was a
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great idea and so here we are to talk
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about the foundation trilogy and i'm
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going to specify that the three original
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foundation books that are actually not
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really novels even but collections of
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short stories that are all
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interconnected and it's it's a strange
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little thing written by isaac asimov
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between 1942 and 1950 and collected in
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three volumes in the fifties in 51 52
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and 53 joining me to talk about the
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future history of the galaxy in the fall
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of the Galactic Empire and things like
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that of course the originator of this he
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didn't lend a second definition is here
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even after he suggested it
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it's got McNulty hi Scott this is all
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going according to my plan right you're
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going to just hang up on us and laugh
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and laugh and laugh no you just finished
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rereading them all in
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you're fine high quality leather bound
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paper volume of foundations true it's
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it's I'm holding it in my hands right
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now it's a little mazing i love the tome
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although i did find in the knowing typo
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where they used an exclamation point in
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7l so that annoyed me but i matter so
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they must like a folksy artist or
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something in order to probably create
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well it's a leather-bound mistake so
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also joining us David lower hello hello
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I I foresaw this about a thousand years
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ago and remember in fact in the American
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equivalent of Trent or ok which is
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Indiana yeah middle of nowhere at
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America's end that's right i also
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joining us erica and Simon who was
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present when Scott foretold as was David
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when it's got four told that we would do
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this episode hello
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I was indeed d'Epinay I think I'm here
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to represent all of the females in this
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in this series which is actually pretty
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easy so i probably easy job Thomas
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sounds like you know 20 seconds really
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yeah we'll get the magical it and my
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last guest a mutant who is hammered with
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the ability to control emotions and
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plots it's Monty Ashley hello I'm just
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going to behave randomly and assume that
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this was predicted to be the right thing
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for me to do good excellent 14 usual
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right plot solved
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that's Monty standard and strategy for
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the impalpable well so foundation III
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heard I had a friend in elementary
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school in high school who kept who
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endlessly talked about death the
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foundation novels and I didn't read them
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until maybe 10 years ago not not a long
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yeah I know it's amazing i didn't get
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spoiled i don't know if they're hit it
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was always sure but what's fascinating
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about i did read irobot when i was when
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i was younger and and it strikes me that
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this is this is from this period of time
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and not just because it's as a month but
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also because of them the market for
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science fiction at this point that a lot
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of these stories were being told in
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short story form essentially in various
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pulp magazines at the time and then
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collected into books later and so things
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that we think of as books or novels are
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not that like I robot is a
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action of somewhat interlinked short
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stories and the Foundation series you
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could view it as a trilogy you could
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view it as a series of short stories or
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you could view it as sort of like one
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big story told in these kind of
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disparate parts but one of the reasons I
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felt pretty comfortable taking these
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three original books and talking about
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them here is that you know really this
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is the this even though he wrote sequels
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and prequels later
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these are the books these are the
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stories that as mobs has not told in a
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short period of time and that their
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interest rate timeline and this is the
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tale he wanted to tell about this sort
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of galactic future history thing so they
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don't and they do it doesn't feel like a
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novel it is a weird kind of reading
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experience I don't know I ki thought
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that I came to it later but not nearly
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his ladies you too Jason
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yeah oh yeah because I i read a lot of
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asthma when I was younger it was more of
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his his really early stuff like pebble
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in the sky and the stars like dust so
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like really it is earliest novels and I
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heard people talk about the foundation
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just like you had but sort of never got
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around to it until I mean was probably
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high school or college so you know still
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still lots of years ago but no later
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than his other stuff and and I had not
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known that they were collected developed
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short stories etc etc so it felt really
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disjointed to me i was expecting it to
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be more like one of his novels and I
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think the first time I went through it i
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had real trouble with it simply because
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I was not expecting that kind of format
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and you know I wanted to get in touch
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with the characters and then suddenly
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they were gone and it was somebody else
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and it has been many pages like what's
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going on so that was my experience I
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guess that the part of telling this
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galactic scope I mean that the premise
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here is that is that there's a Galactic
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Empire spans the the Milky Way galaxy
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and this guy Hari Seldon / foretells
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that the the Empire is in decay and it's
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going to fall in there will be a dark
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age that will last tens of thousands of
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families but every thousand years that's
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when I was a ok if you want to be
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specific i was something more dramatic
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tens of thousands of years and five is
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very specifically dark looks
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yes and he knows everything that will
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entire tire indeed it but he says I have
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a plan that will allow this dark age to
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be reduced to only a thousand years tens
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of hundreds and indeed a ten hundred
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years with exactly and uh and and then a
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new galactic empire will rise
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yay i guess because and in the parallel
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here is with the fall of Rome and you
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know I it's all in there but I feel like
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one of the the things about the scope of
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this galaxy spanning and the time frame
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is that it's gonna destroy he wants to
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tell it's going to be chopped up i mean
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there are there are stories that
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continue characters like the mule we see
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a couple of times but really it's like
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the sweep of history like you know you
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get to know some characters and then the
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next door it's like oh yeah that was 50
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years ago they're all dead and like all
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right I guess that's what this is about
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because it is this disc could not be a
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broader canvas in terms of space and
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well as mouth was never that interested
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in his characters as people with
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emotions or goals and I feel like this
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is the ultimate expression of that
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totally there's one scene where where
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you get a room where there's people like
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five or six people in the room talking
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you don't find out any of their names
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except for one guy and I'm not even i'm
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not even talking about the second
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founder foundation stuff yet it's just
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these are these are active players in
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the first foundation and you don't get
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any information about them except for
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you no one has a thin face one has a
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slightly wider face i was like wow this
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is this is the perfect passage to
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illustrate his feeling on
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characterization because there was
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nothing as soon as they fulfill their
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duty to the plot
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they just drop out immediately had this
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is accountable school because i read a
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we did that retro Hugo's episode I read
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something that one of the one of the e
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doc smith yank books
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yeah and it reminded me of this to which
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is there are some characters when
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necessary and they might not be
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particularly fleshed out as we think of
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it is sort of in modern fiction but the
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ideas are there about again these big
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ideas like galaxy-spanning ideas and the
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characters are a little bit less of a
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focus and they come and go and and again
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if you pulled all the way back to see
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the whole galaxy over the course of
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hundreds if not thousands years the
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individual people do sort of get lost in
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the you know they're like they're like
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ants they look like ants from up here
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something like something like that when
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and the thrust of what psychohistory
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right which is a very big component of
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this series is that the individual
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doesn't matter unless you're a mutant or
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harris Eldon or Harry something he's the
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one that matters so you can see I mean I
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obviously as I've read other of his
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books that do not have that as a thrust
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and the characters are equally as thin
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so I'm not going to try and say that
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that was some kind of writer Lee device
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tcp did but I can imagine writing a term
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paper that argues that
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sure sure I mean you could you could
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definitely make that argument it is it
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is an interesting premise here right
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that the idea here again going to the
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the fall of Rome and all of that is that
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this is all this is all fated to happen
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he foresees it and it's sort of like
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making making the best of a bad
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situation in some ways it's like being a
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look I'm getting I'm getting you down
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from 30 thousand two-one thousand that's
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pretty good right i mean we'll all be
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dead before it happens but we can we can
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do this it's a little bit altruistic
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it's and it's and it's definitely people
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have had this some reaction to the
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series i think because of this this big
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idea that we're going to create these
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you know secret secret organizations
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that are going to save humanity because
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if you look at our if you look at our
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past at that there is a period of time
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that again it depends on your
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perspective but in if you look at
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european history there's this sort of
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general feeling like european history
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has a giant hole in it for a while
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because growing fell and then there's
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the Renaissance and in between everybody
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was kind of modeling around and there
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was a lot of lost information and some
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of that is a little oversold i think but
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you know that that is influencing this
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whole story here and so that that's an
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interesting aspect of the story
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Scott why don't we start with you since
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you just reread all of this stuff what
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what what struck you in rereading at the
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this is I i'm having a hard time trying
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to figure out how to get into this
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because it is a series of short stories
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that are in the link set in this big
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idea of psychohistory and
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galaxy-spanning stop so what struck you
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when you read about this
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well I we were just talking before we
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started recording that Jason you had
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recently read ancillary mercy and i
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finished ancillary mercy and then I
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started rereading the foundation trilogy
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haha which is an interesting
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juxtaposition of books because ancillary
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mercy i think i won't say if I think
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it's good or bad
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although i think it's good wait wait
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spoiler alert that's not how that works
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for me to Scott but it's a secret don't
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tell anybody what who is a lot of things
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happen in it but it is you know
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obviously a very modern science fiction
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book it is dealing with big ideas but
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it's doing it in a very modern way and
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then it you know looking at a book or
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series of short stories that was written
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70 years ago doing basically painting on
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the same canvas right galaxy-spanning
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stuff is happening but it's handled in a
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very very different way and yet i still
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thought as i was reading it it didn't
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obviously it is a work of its time and I
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was looking I was trying to keep track
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of all the female characters as i read
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the first hundred pages and 0 is easy to
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keep track of so yeah so I thought that
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was interesting i also thought I was a
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reading it that any of the characters
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could have been male or female because
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it doesn't really matter so if you want
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to and they're working on like a TV
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series of this i think which I don't
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understand how they're going to do that
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but I imagine they're going to make a
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lot more characters within I hope
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there's a lot of 40 and 50 science
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fiction that is men standing around in
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room smoking cigars having conversation
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yes and this this is of that ilk and yet
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I I have very fond memories of reading
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this when I was in high school and i
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still i reread it and I still think it's
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fantastic and it is still blew my mind
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that this man 70 years ago thought of
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these crazy things and so much
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the of what we know of science fiction
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has been built on the similar concepts
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that is enough invented them by himself
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but he certainly laid a lot of
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foundations uh for modern science
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fiction and and when you look at this
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work in that context I feel like you
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can't miss the importance of it and if
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you look at if you're looking at it and
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trying to see it as a modern science
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fiction story there are many things that
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people will really be like 500 years or
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challenging you know he's telling a row
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paper completely made sense so I'm sure
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when i was first reading it I like heard
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well apparently can make the paper smell
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good too so you something well you know
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right there are girls in his book a
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couple in a few so I like the first the
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beginning parts of the foundation story
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when it's all about Harry Seldon
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predicted exactly this and this guy
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gotta make up an encyclopedia but it's
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not really what it's about
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yeah and somebody needs to figure out
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how to get through this particular thing
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I am less interested in it when it
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turned into a hunt for the second
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foundation and also the second
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foundation is actually rigging
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everything all the time so area Sultan
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wasn't even that clever to begin with
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yeah yeah I i agree i think the mule is
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an interesting thing where it is quite a
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gambit on his part to have this
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character and broken across the the two
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books to which is interesting like it
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gives it sort of a cliffhanger kind of
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feel to it which is kind of interesting
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for things that are generally not
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connected to each other but they're
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there are a lot of these that that are
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are more i would say yeah they're more
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they're more uninteresting once that the
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the most audacious stuff is at the
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beginning which is that you're watching
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you're watching time go ahead i love
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that there's the there's the hologram
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machine that just pops up and hairy
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cells and gives like more facts about
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how his plan is progressing because he's
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figured it all out you know early on
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that that's kind of that's kind of fun
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because it's the work we're setting this
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up where and also i think it's an
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exciting story about trying to preserve
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society right the idea is we're trying
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to we're trying to save knowledge and
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culture from 30,000 your dark age and
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even a thousand years we still need to
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preserve it and that's kind of fun story
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I like psychohistory as the hard science
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fiction concept of what if this science
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what would that mean and when it turns
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out that what it means is that there's a
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race of telepathic Superman who can
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control minds and do all this other
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stuff it's getting a little goofy but
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they learned how to do it inside the
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basic the the capital of the empire all
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yeah who told you turn you as a as a
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social science major one of the things
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that amuses me about this is that this
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is this is a very social science kind of
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fiction right it's like you know what
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social science is going to be in the
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future is going to be so good they could
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predict everything will happen entire
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galaxy for a thousand years
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that's how good we are going to get with
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social science I didn't major in
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psychohistory though wasn't offered
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black and minor in it
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what kind of school do you go to
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transport tech he was not that good but
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man can you machine things good robotics
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program mostly logic puzzles
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hey Erica so do you want to talk a
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little bit more about the largely utter
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lack of women in mesa you know the that
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i have read an awful lot of books home
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by Isaac asthma and other writers from
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this area and that's the thing that even
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when its first reading them
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I didn't even really notice because i
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didn't know it could be any different
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now that I've grown up and read a lot of
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cool books with lots of exciting female
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characters the relax stands out a whole
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lot more and you know maybe it wouldn't
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be quite so bad if the very few examples
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of female characters we had in here were
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treated the way they were treated i
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mentioned i highlighted some passages so
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I just like to take you guys little
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taste of the stuff that jumped out at me
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so we had the tues endian planet where
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they landed on one of the outskirt
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planets but they're talking about the
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machines from there it says even to the
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Indian machines into the indian food was
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better than the native stuff and they
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were closed for the women of other than
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gray homespun which was a very important
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thing like there are no women on this
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planet that we're talking about the only
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information that we get about them is
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that they like to have their clothes
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that are more colorful that imported
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from other planets yeah
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yep yeah and then you get that the one
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female character who really has a whole
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lot going on is a teenage girl
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arcadia or Arkady I don't know how
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you're supposed to pronounce that but so
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you have lots of sort of condescending
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things thrown her way at least she has
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some sort of inner life which i
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appreciate but you know her dad's asking
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her if you're going to pretend you're 19
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what he what he gonna do when you're 25
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and all the boys think you're 30 and
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and the other fellow telling his father
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to to shoot whoever this girl is
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planning on marrying someday because she
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is just she has her own mind is so
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headstrong that that would be a terrible
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thing for anyone that wants to marry her
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yeah you know the part that says early
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for me is really the book When Harry
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Seldon somebody is talking about oh you
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have a hundred thousand people working
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in your foundation and he's like well
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that includes the women so quick out in
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in my headcanon i like to think that the
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second foundation is actually all women
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because they're the ones who know what
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they're doing they are often not
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identified as anything other than write
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the first speaker and the third speaker
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that's right and that's true what we do
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find out who the first series but but
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yeah like it man when he's talking about
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the calgon the the planet of luxuries
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and stuff he's talking about all of the
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the people that go there
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so you've got the dandies of the
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imperial court there's sparklingly and
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libidinous ladies the Ruffin raucous
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warlords who ruled an iron the world's
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they had gained in blood with their
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unbridled and lascivious winches of the
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plump and luxurious businessman of the
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foundation with their lush mistresses I
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was just like wow yeah that's it so the
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only one that visit that planet are you
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know at shays and concubines and but no
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so that's the girl in the story at the
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end of foundation second foundation is
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the granddaughter of of the the
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Darrell's or Darrell's that are that are
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there who are like traveling with that
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with Magnifico the clown but you think
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they're a little slow on the uptake hear
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about Magnifico the club are most
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dangerous individual character who could
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upset the entire plan spends most of our
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time with him dressed as a clown and but
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but uh anyway the grandmother of the of
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the of the girl in that later story
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kills the guy who knows where the second
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foundation is located so she is she is
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the the hero at the end of that the only
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reason she's able to do that is because
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because she had this feminine
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characteristics of actually liking the
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the Magnifico or bow which is he claims
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its original name I wish you would have
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done with that because she liked him for
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himself he was he decided to it to leave
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her mind undressed like the only way
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that she could could get past him and
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which was just it was seem like it
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struck me as a very gendered sort of
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treatment for that character no surprise
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but it does kill it kill a guy before so
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yeah which was the wrinkles finalized
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but yes and his head falls off which I i
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remember that passage she blesses torso
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and then his head falls off which is
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it's tempting to credit Asimov's gender
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characterizations as strictly a product
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of the times but he did spend his entire
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grabbing the butt of any woman who came
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near him and I've like I said I've read
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plenty of other novels from that time
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actually when I was growing up I thought
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Andre Norton was a dude because or
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Andrew north as she also wrote a rose
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and you know her books also had some of
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the same you know gender norms stuff
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going on with you know that but space
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captain pilot is a guy but she worked in
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a lot more women it was possible to do
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it you know she was a very very prolific
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and active author at the time she sold
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just fine so it wasn't you know you know
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having a woman in the book did not
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necessarily kill it
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well you know just glanced across the
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Highland was a weirdo but he had plenty
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of women in his books it wasn't horrible
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anyway yeah and they were all sex
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objects some of them were the main
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characters of the books in fact that's
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very to all right what else what else
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should we talk about we could talk about
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the lack of a Leo yeah yeah yeah this is
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a whole galaxy with no aliens in it
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which is refreshing
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yeah it is kind of neat to just just
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make that choice that the only thing
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that we get to remotely approaching an
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alien is a mutation in humanity itself
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yeah i think if there were aliens that
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would strain credibility even farther
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with hurry Seldon's pretty great because
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that's a random factor that would
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impinge from the outside like you can
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say and after 500 years you'll have a
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local government problem and have to
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select this type of guy is you can't
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really say after 750 years here comes
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the aliens invade that's right as i'm
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sure you're aware the aliens have left
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yeah yeah it's uh I like though I'm what
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was it firefly was a an example of a
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world where I think just we can set up
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front like no aliens
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no no aliens right and it is kind of
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refreshing to have those they have those
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sci-fi world or universe is where
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they're like you know what this is gonna
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be about the people and variations of
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people and we're not going to this is
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not a story about us meeting some other
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you know other other race the monsters
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are us where our own problems we're
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going to have to deal with it and that's
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the story he wants to tell here right to
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the point where when we talked about the
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the sack of of of transit or right um
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they refer to it as being sacked by like
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it's basically like space barbarians
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space Visigoths so they don't it could
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be aliens right you could be aliens but
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that's not the point and we have to draw
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he draws the parallel with Rome so
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it's like well suffice it to say they
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were there were you know space
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barbarians who came and and and attack
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them all right no aliens is this is not
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a story about aliens right it's a story
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about humanity in all its forms
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including its mutant forms apparently is
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you're looking for aliens don't read the
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foundation or really any of its mother's
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sure he doesn't want some no I mean most
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one of the things that I that I liked
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about reading his books that are also
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upset in this universe is the fact that
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they're all sort of settings universe
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you see trends or right here in a whole
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bunch of his other his other works and
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I've always been the kind of the candy
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kid that that like to just spot those
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little easter egg things and be able to
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kind of hook stuff together so but
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regardless of the quality of whichever
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of his books i was reading at the time I
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always dug it when I saw a connection to
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something else so I like the idea that
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was another reason the second time i
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read the foundation that I
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is much more into it because I recognize
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that this you know huge sweeping story
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actually probably enclosed a decent
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number of the other books that I like or
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that they proceeded in the same world
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see I never really bought the
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connections because maybe just because i
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had read the publication date but it
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seems very clear to me he had written
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three different sets of stories and then
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someone said you know I what I bet would
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sell foundation meeting empire he said
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different Empire ok here we go far and
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wait girls that's the sleeves put some
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stuff in the typewriter and not to go
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two hours later he has a novel huh
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nothing at all fits I just like it well
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he's playing in his own universes and
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then also connecting the dots because
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what wouldn't that be fun wouldn't blow
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their minds if they ran into daniel over
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on the moon right and it totally worked
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for me my mind was blown
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yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean III fell into
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him back at the end of elementary school
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but i but I started with the caves of
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steel and the naked son because they
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were mysteries it awakened you know this
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is cool you have any of those on my
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shelf right here to my favorites and and
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then sort of fell into the foundation
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books from there and and so yeah it was
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it was neat to see these vague
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connections between everything you go
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and you go okay there's this green
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scheme and then yeah in through the
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eighties as he started pulling them all
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together i liked them less and less and
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i still have not read most of the later
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books just because it did I didn't
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believe the connections it just didn't
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work for me at a certain point i also
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don't believe they're written by azimoff
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we eventually if if if they are even
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it's 35 40 years later right so even if
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yeah it's not the same guy it's a it's a
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much later and easy you know when it's a
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cash grab and yeah I like it when he's
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young and hungry
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well and i agree i don't like the sort
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of loose connection of the original
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stories and you know and like giving the
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Martian Chronicles with Bradbury and
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just these things that are sort of these
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loosely linked short stories
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I really like that and I thought he was
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much better that than he was in the
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later books where he's trying to do a
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novel it's a big thing like yeah that is
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a couple of notes i had I them get back
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to the mule for a second it is out like
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a Hail Mary I do i do feel like the mule
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is there because like what am I gonna do
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now I got it i'll have this guy he's got
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powers and he's going to confuse people
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what I do like about the way the meal is
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treated it is is not not his
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he's horrible appearance he's a skinny
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guy with a big nose that's like yeah no
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yeah no yeah Ronnie guy get on a guy
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with the big nose he can't be in charge
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of anything but um but he is I like that
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he's a cipher that he has no name that
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has given other than Bobo and ben 10 and
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why does the mule do you can do what he
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meet the mule in the palace that he's
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so the whole Palace is just empty except
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for the mule and his little spider yeah
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when he gets to the office is like you
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don't even need to look at them you can
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just turn away and it's fine it's cool
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because he he knows everything you're
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thinking it's ok it's creepy it is that
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is it is creepy and speaking look at the
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history books books one of the things
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that features heavily in these books
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at the beginning especially is the
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Encyclopedia Galactica which as we
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mentioned is a front it's a fake it if
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you die i enjoy that that we're gonna
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set up this big thing and it's going to
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be really good and it's going to
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preserve its going to preserve knowledge
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but behind the scenes we have plans to
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control the future
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I like that and I also of course like
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referenced specifically in Hitchhiker's
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annoying everything thing that everybody
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knows that's available for the galaxy
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much less interesting than the
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hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy which
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is what all the hoopla fruits you know
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where their towel is you know that this
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is that what they read they don't read
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dumb old encyclopedia chol speaking of
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this the stuffiness the encyclopedia
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that is one of the things that drew me
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of moved by the plight of harding having
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to argue against all of these stuffy
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scholars before they found out that the
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Encyclopedia was a front and you just
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get these cranky old men who are like
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it's all about the books there's nothing
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else going on here this is so important
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you shouldn't you know care about
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anything else and then they just get
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like totally beat down and it was just
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like you know pumping my fist like hi
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suck it old dudes but but the story is
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around these these stories that you you
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get that over and over again which is
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people like that we've been doing this
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for we've been doing this for years or
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since my grandfather was here or
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whatever like that and and then
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something changes because that's he
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wants to get across that timescale thing
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that you know Harry Sultan's plan is
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working on to the surface and you know
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you i love that people commit their
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entire lives and careers to this thing
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that's just a front like this that's
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hilarious yeah after them
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no it's very sad for them well if they
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weren't so jerky about it i wouldn't
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take so much pleasure mr. got to see the
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big picture here which they they don't
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that they didn't need to see the big
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picture they were Stooges I do like a
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kind of a correlation to that is so the
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foundation is set up because Harry 7 has
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a plan and they know his plan and so the
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rest of the galaxy knows about it as
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well but they don't really know anything
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about it so there's this whole religion
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that the foundation builds up around
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itself right you know give technology to
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and you know preach to these people and
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so the rest of the galaxy kind of has a
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chip on his shoulder because the
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foundation people know what's going to
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happen in the future even though they
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don't really but they feel like they're
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predict protected by this plan and
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they're they're winning is inevitable so
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they don't really have to do anything so
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they at all the galaxies hates them and
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then the second foundation is introduced
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and the foundation finds out that they
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are themselves being manipulated by
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another group and they get angry and I
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just find that amusing
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well and that and the life cycles are
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some real-time follow-up from our chat
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room on you know the lifecycle is
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definitely sketched out by him about
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we're going to go through this phase in
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this phase in this phase and he's
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thinking of the big picture and I think
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that I think that's a really interesting
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i did have one one thing which i want to
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mention about the mule which is the
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everything so at one point I I kept
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waiting for the foundation people to be
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like hey it turns out we don't need a
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thousand years of Darkness jizz we can
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do 500 because there's this guy and he's
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gonna use his powers to unite the galaxy
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and he's he's got like birth defects and
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is going to die in the next 10 years and
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then there's an empire so yay let's just
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go let's go auntie mule but instead
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they're like no no Harry Sullivan didn't
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write anything about this we gotta kill
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we gotta get rid of this guy I think the
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problem there is that once he dies the
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like the foundation of his no pun
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acha other companies rule of his rule is
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it falls apart because he is only able
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to keep people you know basically will
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have one generation of people who are
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loyal to him because he or you know he
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could make them loyal to the ideals of
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peace or whatever but without the
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Foundation's grand plan which will bring
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everything together be whatever it ends
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up being at the time economics or force
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or mental powers who knows we go get
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that far in these three books but i
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think that that they they might not have
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known a lot about psychohistory but they
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recognized enough to know that his
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taking over was not not something that
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could actually last for very long and
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wasn't he wasn't stupid internet but
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within forty thousand years of of crap
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afterwards and then there's no more
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hairy sell them to come up with a plan i
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think the biggest problem is that the
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interested in getting be the foundation
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plan on on schedule right he want he he
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was in tech mystic to them and he was
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going to do things you know he's trying
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to root them out instead of being like
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guys guys I can help
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he was not interested in helping because
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he was a very bitter angry mutant nobody
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ever helped him now an ugly cancer and
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it was really yeah I sometimes had to
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fight to not picture him as like a like
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a mule like I i was born with the Mules
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head that's why he wears the clown
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outfit interactive visual head is this
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granny guy with a big nose
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yeah that's it although i did like oh
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you know speaking of the Seldon plan and
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you mentioned Jason the the hollow q
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where Harry seldom appears oh yeah at
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Planned moments when there's a Seldon
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crisis over everybody go when that's
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gonna happen but he just shows up and is
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like hey I'm going to give you a vague a
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advice that isn't really a nice about
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what you're about to do this i recorded
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this 200 years ago
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exactly and then confuse you more and
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then vanish but feel free to sit down if
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you're standing and smoke
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yeah everybody spoke it would have been
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more realistic if eventually Hari Seldon
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was speaking in the language none of
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huh together they get the old the old
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galactic scholars there to translate
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yeah because I i personally am NOT great
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at whatever they were speaking in 1100
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yeah sure the base Latin I guess so the
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one that's true but i like that so he
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sets it up and everytime seldom appears
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he is right because he has a plan and
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then the mule appears and one of the
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people has figured out done a little
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psychohistory is like oh I know I seldom
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crisis is approaching that means cells
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going to appear and tell us what to do
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so let's go down to the the time bunker
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or whatever the heck they called it i
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forget and he'll tell us what to do and
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that he appears and he's like as you
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know you are currently in a civil war
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and the traders and they're like what
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this is nothing to do with what's going
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on I just enjoyed that moment everybody
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everyone's freaking out and the meal was
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there as well spoiler alert i also like
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the idea that he's sometimes talking to
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yes that said because they you know they
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didn't bother to show up because they
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you know they they fix the Seldon crisis
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is crazy themselves so they didn't go
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and listen to what he had to say like I
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would want to be there even if we manage
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to solve it i would bet the dude from
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hundreds of years ago is just going up
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here and start talking to us out of the
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past that's pretty interesting
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he's the guy that's the architect of
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everything that's happening now you
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don't want to go and check bill no let's
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give on video just given video at least
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right yeah their entire society is based
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on this guy in his writings just have
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somebody's station down there to go
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oh hey guys George Washington said
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something else should really be somebody
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down there all the time just in case
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like I i would totally station somebody
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down there you know it's an easy job you
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can read the comic books and stuff for
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your book book films put a woman down
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she's got to secretary
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ya know just have one of those dictation
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machines and their galleons going down
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it's a great idea within people would
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sneak in there and say I'm Harry
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soldered and I say Scott should have a
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race that's how are they storing all
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their information right before things
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started like during prelude to
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foundation couldn't they have just like
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saved whatever their current version of
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wikipedia is it's weird that there was
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no storage of all of their knowledge at
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that point it got overwritten I think
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the Encyclopedia Galactica has all that
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stuff in stacks and the library at rant
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or was existence so you could still go
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there was it was hiding the second
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foundation they might might your wipe
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your mind when you try to check out a
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book or something haha shit you can
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check into the library but you can check
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mhm just questioning the need for a
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encyclopedia foundation starting from
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scratch it was a front-mounted well it
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was yeah it's also everything there was
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no need you know encyclopedia salesmen
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they really talk a good
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game a big head and very seldom the
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ultimates encyclopedia salesman can i
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interest you in a galaxy-spanning
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foundation today
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your kids will thank you well there many
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generations hence will thank you
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mm what do you say we started with
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volume na to NB anything more about
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foundation before we moved to what we're
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reading is to love it i still enjoy it
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its comfort reading for yeah it goes
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down pretty quick huh
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Astrid my big ideas don't like them you
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also might actually enjoy i do enjoy the
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part with the meal I feel like it's a
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completely different style of story you
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know we get the world spanning
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foundation eat stuff at the beginning
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and then it takes a turn it just sort of
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becomes a zoom bang you know
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edge-of-your-seat excitement kind of a
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thing which is not the same type of
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storytelling as at the beginning so I
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enjoy it but on a very different whale
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yeah it's kind of a daring move and I
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proved that he could have kept turning
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out and then they ran into another
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problem and then they solved it and Hari
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Seldon appeared a good job and he winks
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yeah I enjoy the the section titles for
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the second foundation two men in the
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mule two men without the meal two men
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and a peasant two men and the elders one
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man in the mule one-man the mule and
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another seem straightforward
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it's good stuff three men and a baby was
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in there too but now that 13 min Emil
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and a baby to two-and-a-half mules for
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the meal can have a baby so now too
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yeah and one you and nobody else and
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that's why his soul tragic you see em
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rights that's what it ends right I'm
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called the mule that's not why I'm
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called the mule and he walks off sadly
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in for that was very abrupt and yeah so
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anyway he wasn't that big a thread man
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nevermind then we have our mentalists
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who can out mental the mental mutant
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antsy to get done
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yeah but i would say people who are
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listening you kids out there with your
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fancy science fiction go to your library
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checkout foundation
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and read it yeah and if you are very
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careful you may discover it at in the in
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the basement of your library a secret
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door that leads to a no to a bunker to
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bunker containing the second foundation
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especially containing a hologram of an
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yes I believe that's literally the plot
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of the librarians yeah you're right
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I think you're right hello I think
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you're right and another was a line
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about librarians it in this 10 that
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whatever his name was he says I'm no man
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no hero of any tell you I'm a library
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and ok which I did sell didn't spend
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recording these like was it just all
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with a row in one day
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yeah that 1i soon i like to think that
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he had a computer program he actually
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recorded hundreds of them in the corner
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program was monitoring what's happening
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in global affairs and then he would pick
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put the computer would put out the right
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one like oh this is number this is
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situation 83 and then put that one yeah
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well let's move on and do something I
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Scott what are you reading I am reading
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called the trader Peru cormorant by Seth
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dickinson which I really loved but I
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empire that takes over her homeland and
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feeling quite cheated so if you can
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stomach that check it out because it's a
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good read Erica what are you reading
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stories but they're kind of two main
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so sad so if you like the supernatural
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checking this out because i thought they
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were excellent and they take place um
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like the 1910s so you get all kinds of
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interesting in San Francisco interesting
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time ago and just jump back into it and
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reread it because I really remember
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going to happen to they kept referring
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allen and she came out with a new book
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garden spells and the newer one is
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family magic there's a an apple tree in
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people and if you eat one of the apples
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terrifying vision of the future and one
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feel things and just each character has
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justice and then the goddess was killed
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characters that revolve around him so
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books no difference between what a man
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very well around these characters so it
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back into that world so i highly
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recommend the the Fallen blade series by
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killing McCullough alright so there you
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go that's all the books
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yeah i've been reading so much Wow David
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what are you reading
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well i actually just read Zoe's tail a
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that series that's the 1i regulate it
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part of the story
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man's were affected and I'm all i order
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Vale by Jeffrey Cranor and Joseph think
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welcome to night Vale but you don't
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series two to get it this is designed to
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age by w Bernard girls and which should
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surprise nobody not i mean it's not like
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research because I mean the Tesla radio
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shows are very specifically not really
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Nikola Tesla what is he's not exactly a
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two-fisted kind of guy that's why I got
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facts of these that's not one of them
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whole series of just Tesla stories at
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very interesting to see just you know
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how much how much already knew about him
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radio well Tesla really invented radio
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the copyrights so yeah that happened to
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him a lot which is why he died destitute
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yorker hotel but it is it is fascinating
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battle for Broadway the book by Michael
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Riedel which is a history of musical
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theater in New York centered around the
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people who own the theaters which are
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follow an actor because the actors
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single play last month i finished the
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final terry pratchett book
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the Shepherd's crown it's very good
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it's not really finished you can't help
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feeling like there's thirty percent of
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the book that didn't really get written
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Doom Patrol comic books they are crazy
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oh very good alright they're great Jason
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what are you reading what's got Jason I
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vital abyss which I really enjoyed and
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protomolecule on the station in the
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the rook but it's got kind of a feel
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like that where it's this sort of secret
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agent spy thing but also with a
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completely weird a fantasy sci fi ish
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elements so I'm enjoying that that's it
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rear foundation now I'm going to happily
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go back to the lives of town
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alright well we've reached the end then
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we've we've come up with a big list a
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course our advice again go to your
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available galactic planet and read this
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foundation by isaac asimov and I'd like
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talk about this Monte Ashley thank you
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very much I take back what I said about
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you being a mutant telepath I knew you
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were going to do
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I love you Monty and everything that you
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think I will be loyal to you forever
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Monty what how about I hated when I
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didn't like you but now I like you and I
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would anyway Scott McNulty thank you for
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being here made the collective spirit
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guides you Jason thank you may the force
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basically sure this David lower Star
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Wars thank you thank you I'm glad we
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managed to get all the way through
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without doing a Magnifico a clown clown
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but down there it is sometimes how you
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kill the things you land and Erica and
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sign i'm so i'm so glad that you will
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not just be stuck with your great
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homespun I i am thrilled about five
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yeah yeah to the space filled with all
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that great homes boom indeed the space
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beans well done and everybody out there
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for listening to this transmission
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reaching you across the galaxy
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thank you for doing so and now you can
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go back to your lives and hope that the
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mule doesn't come for you in the night
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whoo what noise that you'll make a cute
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couple that's exactly as well thanks to
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the pictures would be comfortable we'll
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see you next week back
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