The Incomparable

275: Comprehensive Tapestry Policy


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  december 2015 [TS]

  what about everybody to be uncomfortable [TS]

  i'm your host nation spell we are [TS]

  continuing our celebration of holiday [TS]

  things in early December before Star [TS]

  Wars happens ruins everything [TS]

  and in this episode we're going to be [TS]

  talking about two old movies this is [TS]

  basically in addition of old movie club [TS]

  with a holiday spin o war movie can open [TS]

  it sold with listen to vast very festive [TS]

  that's the that's the christmas-themed [TS]

  to old movie club that's nice that must [TS]

  have cost us billions of dollars to it [TS]

  did together taking out all the stops [TS]

  for Christmas we're also going to be [TS]

  talking about 1968 the line and winter [TS]

  film not usually considered a Christmas [TS]

  film but is set says you is set at [TS]

  Christmastime so i would like to go [TS]

  chronologically but I should check in [TS]

  with our old movie sommelier himself mr. [TS]

  Philip Michaels hello [TS]

  dealer's choice man alright well that's [TS]

  what that's what I have to go [TS]

  it's thank you for selecting these films [TS]

  but let me introduce the people who [TS]

  watch them with us [TS]

  well not like with us now are you [TS]

  getting all gather on a couch together [TS]

  no one imagined that we can all shouted [TS]

  at peter o'toole simultaneously but [TS]

  instead we did in our own homes i would [TS]

  have shattered you will be quiet [TS]

  shouting Peter O'Toole its glory Lisa [TS]

  Schmeisser is here with us you just her [TS]

  hello hi [TS]

  I will defend a line in winter excellent [TS]

  well nobody's I don't think it's on [TS]

  trial not like Santa Claus or anything [TS]

  dan morgan is also here LOL amity cry [TS]

  kitties [TS]

  I'm not in the habit of substituting for [TS]

  serious panelist Jason thank you [TS]

  that's a great line David Laura hello [TS]

  hello [TS]

  my only question tonight is what shall [TS]

  we hang the Holly or each other and of [TS]

  course mr. Steve let's Jason how from [TS]

  where we started did we ever reach this [TS]

  Christmas I'd like to know it's a it's [TS]

  it's a good question the district [TS]

  attorney's a Republican it's not more [TS]

  lion in winter references in the opener [TS]

  than I didn't disappear [TS]

  yeah I refuse to acknowledge them quite [TS]

  frankly I i was gonna go with its cold a [TS]

  man's gotta do something to keep your [TS]

  favorite guy in the movie that's there [TS]

  you go [TS]

  it was the movie told from his [TS]

  perspective your Philip Michaels is [TS]

  intoxicated madam [TS]

  shameful to be fair we knew that it's [TS]

  harder to make the the references that [TS]

  involved a spinning newspaper headline [TS]

  there are so many of those Miracle on [TS]

  thirty-fourth Street ok Phil Miracle on [TS]

  thirty-fourth Street this was the more [TS]

  traditional holiday selection that you [TS]

  made [TS]

  yeah yeah it just as a sort of a [TS]

  preamble to the selections here I do not [TS]

  like Christmas movies I don't like I [TS]

  don't like is that is [TS]

  yeah I don't like you're Santa Claus I [TS]

  don't like your uh your uh did whatever [TS]

  the Christmas move your Christmas shoes [TS]

  now oh yeah except increase the world [TS]

  that is a brilliant movie our pots [TS]

  Miracle on thirty-fourth Street I kind [TS]

  of like because it has a certain [TS]

  earnestness and and charm to it and some [TS]

  good supporting character work and eat [TS]

  you could do worse [TS]

  basically you are lucky that I took an [TS]

  oath as a host to not stab the guests [TS]

  for saying I kind of like Miracle on [TS]

  thirty-fourth Street when you made me [TS]

  watch the line and winter good guy so [TS]

  you got your Miracle on thirty-fourth [TS]

  Street it is it is thanksgiving morning [TS]

  you are having the macy's thanksgiving [TS]

  day parade marine O'Hara recently [TS]

  deceased rmk marine O'Hara she is the [TS]

  lady who puts on the macy's thanksgiving [TS]

  day parade on and she has got a problem [TS]

  because her Santa is dead drunk its cold [TS]

  a man's gotta keep water somehow he is [TS]

  he is uh not even able to stand up [TS]

  straight on the float [TS]

  nope doesn't seem like he has to he just [TS]

  has to sit in the slave kids but anyhow [TS]

  let's recasting me from his time with [TS]

  the whip is the problem not sure he's [TS]

  capable of sitting I think he sort of [TS]

  like just flat on his back because [TS]

  either they will affect the room where [TS]

  did they find this and in my experience [TS]

  you just sort of wedge Santa Claus into [TS]

  the chimney and that keeps him upright [TS]

  throughout the Korean to the scene walks [TS]

  on Edmund win who you might see it as a [TS]

  right jolly old elf because he has a [TS]

  beard like Santa and is pleasingly plump [TS]

  for 1947 III [TS]

  i will now feature i buy today he is he [TS]

  is the US citizen have to cut like a [TS]

  stake center [TS]

  yeah uh huh buddy back 1927 he doesn't [TS]

  need any padding [TS]

  no she doesn't depression you know and [TS]

  he berates drunken Santa for being drunk [TS]

  in Santa and marine O'Hara uh the [TS]

  presses him into action as the as the [TS]

  replacement Santa on the float and it [TS]

  turns out he's a big hit and everyone [TS]

  loves them didn't know that like just [TS]

  driving by on a float people would have [TS]

  that relationship with me going to find [TS]

  the boys of all kinds of macy's no yes [TS]

  but it but in this movie and then Santa [TS]

  addresses the crowd will keep in mind [TS]

  that most of these people are probably [TS]

  traumatized by the fact that they just [TS]

  saw them strip drunk Santa down to his [TS]

  skivvies while he was still on the float [TS]

  those with only the people around the [TS]

  the starting point of the float is [TS]

  something it was a bunch of clowns that [TS]

  did it to make city which explains a lot [TS]

  about white people are scared of clowns [TS]

  and this was apparently the 1946 Macy's [TS]

  parade they actually filmed i rather [TS]

  than and Edmund win arm who plays the [TS]

  part with did actually delivered Santa [TS]

  Sermon on the Mount of the end coming [TS]

  the bases and and my toy makers the [TS]

  Bible finally makes sense thank you it [TS]

  is easier for a rich man to pass through [TS]

  the eye of a needle than it is for you [TS]

  to fly no values at macys so young so so [TS]

  popular proves this this Santa to be [TS]

  he's hired with very little interviewing [TS]

  process to work at me seized during the [TS]

  holiday season we are we then find out [TS]

  two things one arm Santa actually thinks [TS]

  that he is Santa he goes by the name [TS]

  Kris Kringle when he fills out his [TS]

  employment card he said that he lives in [TS]

  the North Pole and his next of kin are [TS]

  the reindeer witches really is mean to [TS]

  mrs. Claus I think that cut out of the [TS]

  will is a maybe this is before they [TS]

  married macy's HR practices should come [TS]

  under some intense scrutiny here has a [TS]

  reason he's not living at the north pole [TS]

  anymore obviously she's got she got the [TS]

  igloo and all the elves was falsified [TS]

  when they needed to the to fill out the [TS]

  card some clerk just put it as a joke [TS]

  is there were there were no checks they [TS]

  just found the guy on the street and [TS]

  gave him the job the old guy was a drunk [TS]

  how much worse could it be [TS]

  yeah exactly before the onions submarine [TS]

  O'Hara and her assistant who is one of [TS]

  those 1940s 1950s guys with a [TS]

  pencil-thin mustaches demeanor that I [TS]

  that I want it's not that Shellhammer [TS]

  yeah I got a great name to do and show [TS]

  hamburg he's is here he's the head of [TS]

  the children's department at macys right [TS]

  and she's a choice and Toyota part of [TS]

  the toy department and she's like the [TS]

  marketing person base exactly and [TS]

  they're all 0 ol mr. Mason's gonna have [TS]

  our high that we hired this crazy man [TS]

  and adding to that fact is Santa is [TS]

  telling people when they come to him [TS]

  instead of pushing the toys that Macy's [TS]

  wants him to push he will say up now [TS]

  there's a shop on Lexington that has [TS]

  that for a much better price where go to [TS]

  Gimbels and that's going to go over well [TS]

  except that it does go over well because [TS]

  the people who come to Santa are so [TS]

  impressed with his forthrightness that [TS]

  they bow to welcome back to macys again [TS]

  and again brand loyalty [TS]

  yeah yeah the customer service so mr. [TS]

  Macy rather than being angry at marine [TS]

  O'Hara and Julian Shellhammer higher is [TS]

  a is quite happy that this whole santa [TS]

  thing is is going on and he he [TS]

  the end and soon symbols is following [TS]

  suit by telling people to to go to [TS]

  macy's and other stores and suddenly the [TS]

  stores are locked in a nationwide battle [TS]

  of of niceness and not tricking the [TS]

  customer is the the implication that [TS]

  goes on here and there's even a summit [TS]

  between mr. Macy and mr. gimble in which [TS]

  in which Kris Kringle is I guess the [TS]

  mediator and there there's lots of [TS]

  handshaking so we we should mention a [TS]

  little bit about Maureen O'Hara's uh [TS]

  personal life [TS]

  she's a divorce a with a kid scandalous [TS]

  and the kid is in fact the movie was i [TS]

  forget which decency organization like [TS]

  railed against akali the Catholic [TS]

  decency organization i believe ya can't [TS]

  like that decent 15 [TS]

  that right yeah graphics because because [TS]

  a defensive war game for say oh no no [TS]

  divorce say who is thriving and his [TS]

  child isn't busy burning things down out [TS]

  of anger but they couldn't make her a [TS]

  widow because the whole point is that [TS]

  she sort of closed off on happy nice [TS]

  things and is very serious and [TS]

  businesslike now and it's presumably [TS]

  because of her near dwell husband [TS]

  doesn't believe in fantasy or work or or [TS]

  fiction or or telling their child about [TS]

  Santa Claus she's passed that John's [TS]

  going around the block the kid we should [TS]

  mention is played by natalie wood and I [TS]

  what I believe is her first role from [TS]

  and she actually Lisa and I were talking [TS]

  about this as we watch the movie [TS]

  together mom normally both of us spies [TS]

  child actors and then Natalie Wood is [TS]

  actually quite good in this particularly [TS]

  when she gives Kris Kringle they all [TS]

  stink eye [TS]

  yep oh yes he's got the best face in the [TS]

  business of a child is delightful she [TS]

  pulls on the beard that's pretty good i [TS]

  like the moment where I after she does [TS]

  the cute kid thing of like oh mama [TS]

  please he doesn't have anyplace to have [TS]

  Thanksgiving dinner and she's like all [TS]

  right and then there's a nice line where [TS]

  she says last great you know I didn't [TS]

  ask the right that I do that right the [TS]

  man you are referring to is john Payne [TS]

  mr. Gailey building right nearly as the [TS]

  character's name john Payne is the actor [TS]

  he stars in one of my favorite [TS]

  underrated film Noirs kansas city [TS]

  confidential by the way that's a that's [TS]

  that's when you should watch maybe [TS]

  instead of white in the winter if you [TS]

  chase alright thanks Thom haha he really [TS]

  wants to get to know Maureen O'Hara and [TS]

  why wouldn't you marine O'Hara is [TS]

  stunning but so he uses her child to do [TS]

  so it uses your child to church trick [TS]

  his way into her heart and he fully [TS]

  believes in in fantasy and happiness and [TS]

  telling yarns and and even volunteers to [TS]

  put up Kris Kringle when it's determine [TS]

  the kriss kringle needs a place to live [TS]

  since the old folks home that he was [TS]

  living in is quite far away in Long [TS]

  Island it's very far away although [TS]

  admittedly he primarily let's Kris [TS]

  Kringle into it [TS]

  house as another another means to get [TS]

  into marino hairspray yeah sure I well [TS]

  most importantly there i love the line [TS]

  I'll take care of Suzy if you'll take [TS]

  care of her mother which is the Fermi [TS]

  the jumping-off point of the strangers [TS]

  on a train version of this movie haha [TS]

  thanks i just waiting for him to say [TS]

  crisscross the skies cost ya know John [TS]

  pains game is strong in this movement [TS]

  job game is not a man to be the church [TS]

  fellas if you want to know how to warm [TS]

  your way into a divorce is heart and I [TS]

  wanted to share your bedroom yes haven't [TS]

  shared your bedroom and talk to children [TS]

  but one we haven't even gotten into his [TS]

  successes as a as a lawyer because there [TS]

  is a moment later in this film where he [TS]

  he has a great moment of like front page [TS]

  not bad right so he's got he's got it [TS]

  all working basically he is the master [TS]

  of the universe mr. Bayliss exactly are [TS]

  we should also point out that all is not [TS]

  well at macys there is at least one [TS]

  macys employee who is not happy that [TS]

  Kris Kringle is now working there and [TS]

  that would be mean old Granville Sawyer [TS]

  the the store psychiatrist psychologist [TS]

  dr. Sawyer right he he keeps you busy [TS]

  riding the actual doctors even though [TS]

  he's a total fraud and charlatan and he [TS]

  is he's not just your much to mustache [TS]

  twirling villain he is your eyebrows [TS]

  twirling a villain he freelances as a [TS]

  psychiatrist in his off period [TS]

  yes please Alfred amateur psychologist [TS]

  and that is what brings the controversy [TS]

  between granville Sawyer and Kris [TS]

  Kringle to a head [TS]

  granville sawyer didn't want him working [TS]

  there cause he's crazy he can't work [TS]

  here when in fact Chris creek bring Kris [TS]

  Kringle did was I immediately identify [TS]

  all of mr. Sawyer's neuro seas and [TS]

  suggest that he was unhappy at home [TS]

  which very clearly is cause then he shot [TS]

  his wife after he leaves and so as a [TS]

  matter of revenge basically he declares [TS]

  Kris Kringle to be incompetent right and [TS]

  we mentioned the armchair psychiatry [TS]

  psychology there's a there's the [TS]

  weirdest-looking kid in the world who [TS]

  sweeps up at macys what what the hell is [TS]

  now Albert all that I'll for that that [TS]

  allegedly seventeen-year-old blog who [TS]

  enjoy special lady [TS]

  Santa Claus so you can make children [TS]

  happy yeah that there's a lot of alarm [TS]

  bells going off there with that [TS]

  well that's you sound like mr. Sawyer [TS]

  who tells him very much the same that [TS]

  it's a little judgmental there also and [TS]

  then poor guy is derided for being [TS]

  overweight the whole time when again by [TS]

  maybe by 1947 Sanders he doesn't need [TS]

  any packages brusky he's a skeez but [TS]

  he's I'd say he's reasonably I am NOT [TS]

  body shaming him in the slightest I'm [TS]

  behavior shaming him because now he's a [TS]

  weirdo [TS]

  yeah I'm here with me and he and he [TS]

  asked the delivery room [TS]

  gosh mr. Kringle I should do love given [TS]

  making children happy it's always what [TS]

  sure to get all the packages i give them [TS]

  yeah there's a lot of bad isms floating [TS]

  around that way one of the wonderful [TS]

  choices sometimes you lose them [TS]

  yeah well done Alfred you really made us [TS]

  think yeah yeah Kris kringles garbage in [TS]

  his pocket aces where should I put this [TS]

  you just put it on the floor was on the [TS]

  floor I get tired of sweeping up dust [TS]

  there it is [TS]

  yeah i've only seen this movie 37 times [TS]

  he's encouraging people to throw things [TS]

  on the floor just to keep him [TS]

  entertained as he sweeps so granville [TS]

  Sawyer has been doing some freelance [TS]

  psychiatry on on poor dumb stupid [TS]

  gullible Alfred yep and has planted all [TS]

  sorts of ideas about what I made my [TS]

  father apparently yes what a Reiki is [TS]

  and this this sends a Kris Kringle into [TS]

  a blind fury and he goes to confront [TS]

  granville Sawyer and in the ensuing [TS]

  argument box granville Sawyer on the [TS]

  head with this sunbrella we're using a [TS]

  comical welt that's a mistake it was a [TS]

  it was my weakness [TS]

  yes which is at the point that everyone [TS]

  decides well turns out he is kind of [TS]

  cookie let's send him to Bellevue and [TS]

  Kris Kringle who up until that point has [TS]

  shown a very good Felicity for uh [TS]

  passing mental competency test by [TS]

  knowing who the president was and [TS]

  underdone Adams know each other before [TS]

  it was under john quincy adams that that [TS]

  mr saye doesn't know that though [TS]

  apparently he's wrong [TS]

  yeah you know sure but whatever ya [TS]

  believe it was the city like [TS]

  opinion-makers didn't have Wikipedia [TS]

  that's right in 1947 but this time [TS]

  around he sowed [TS]

  rest by the whole thing and the fact [TS]

  that he blames marino hair off for [TS]

  setting him up that he fails the test at [TS]

  Bellevue and it looks like he's gonna be [TS]

  stuck in the state mental hospital for [TS]

  quite a long [TS]

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  explained at least to my satisfaction [TS]

  why Chris can't just go right back and [TS]

  retake the test that he recently out you [TS]

  will want you out of the myth male [TS]

  confidence and mental competency tests [TS]

  in the SATs Steve yeah he failed his [TS]

  verbal but he did great on math now he [TS]

  did but Fred Fred gaily john Payne comes [TS]

  to visit him and stir and and gives him [TS]

  a talking-to and convinces him hey [TS]

  marine O'Hara was starting to believe in [TS]

  you and you are getting 3 to both her [TS]

  and the daughter and that gives edmund [TS]

  gwenn hope and they decided to fight [TS]

  this this fact that he's going to be [TS]

  declared crazy and kept up in the the [TS]

  mental institution for the the rest of [TS]

  his life and so they challenge it at a [TS]

  hearing presided over by the great Dean [TS]

  lockhardt as the judge [TS]

  oh yeah cart if you ever see his gal [TS]

  Friday he he is the incompetent sheriff [TS]

  and he made a career out of plane [TS]

  basically bumbling bug-eyed officials [TS]

  who are in over their head and he is in [TS]

  over his head here he and and William [TS]

  Frawley are the greatest one-two punch [TS]

  that this film has to offer William [TS]

  Frawley who you may recognize as good [TS]

  old Fred Mertz is the political fixer [TS]

  advising judge team Lockhart in this [TS]

  case and I really think this that the [TS]

  courtroom is going to be like I mean [TS]

  having having watched anatomy of a [TS]

  murder I always think the courtroom here [TS]

  is going to be longer the last maybe [TS]

  half hour of the movie a little bit less [TS]

  it it and yet there there's nobody [TS]

  better in this entire movie then William [TS]

  Frawley and he's in like five scenes oh [TS]

  yeah he's great and most of his most of [TS]

  his moments on screen or just came [TS]

  naughty nice shot his first appearance [TS]

  he just puts the cigar in his mouth and [TS]

  I laugh out loud [TS]

  every time ok you got you can't you [TS]

  can't discount his great scene where he [TS]

  advises the judge about the all the [TS]

  people who are going to really love him [TS]

  after he declares that this guy that [TS]

  Santa Claus doesn't exist then you got [TS]

  the afl-cio on you and they're gonna [TS]

  love you [TS]

  yeah they didn't know his blue probably [TS]

  a spectacular and of course the best [TS]

  line is where he explains that the only [TS]

  the only two votes the judge is going to [TS]

  get a few rules that Santa is is insane [TS]

  are his own and the district attorney at [TS]

  the route to which that the judge says [TS]

  the district attorneys and Republican [TS]

  said that very satellite so good and [TS]

  cured meat Lockhart fashion although he [TS]

  does get his one smug line of overruled [TS]

  but most most of what William Frawley [TS]

  does is sit in the courtroom and nod and [TS]

  glare at the judge and it's so great it [TS]

  is so great it smells like the odd [TS]

  little scene where he walks into the [TS]

  courtroom in the bailiff sort of [TS]

  gestures to him telling me you can't [TS]

  smoke in the courtroom because I got the [TS]

  other way when we just he taps the end [TS]

  of it to show that it isn't little can [TS]

  stick it back in his mouth he's he [TS]

  doesn't really need to smoke the cigar [TS]

  just as my father used to a badass he's [TS]

  like I'll just stick the lid in my mouth [TS]

  i'm done some interesting [TS]

  interpretability if all you know of [TS]

  William Frawley is Fred Mertz or or [TS]

  uncle bob from my three sons right or [TS]

  even he plays the priest in the Babe [TS]

  Ruth story with William Bendix now this [TS]

  is this is William Frawley script [TS]

  Fraley's greatest role he's outstanding [TS]

  down US Armed then we should also point [TS]

  out the district attorney is played by [TS]

  miles are women from the multi taskin it [TS]

  slightly slightly less of a cat in this [TS]

  movie you have it still kind of a cab [TS]

  104 screentime no yeah [TS]

  yes doesn't get shot it also spoiler [TS]

  alert mom and the trial proceeds and you [TS]

  know we find out that in addition to [TS]

  being really good at willing widows john [TS]

  Payne is a pretty hard widows divorces [TS]

  john Payne is also on a very good [TS]

  attorney because he's got he's got the [TS]

  courtroom spinning and he's discredited [TS]

  granville Sawyer not that takes much he [TS]

  gets mr. Macy to provide [TS]

  some stand that he believes Kris Kringle [TS]

  is actually Santa Claus and i love that [TS]

  scene to spinning newspapers a whole [TS]

  maybe the beauty of of so much of this [TS]

  film is in these moments of it's very [TS]

  easy to see two movies that are just [TS]

  completely just kind of head in the [TS]

  clouds and their movies that are very [TS]

  cynical and this movie really walks a [TS]

  line where it's got a lot of both and [TS]

  and i love how it how it mixes them all [TS]

  together and so here you know [TS]

  yes this is a shiny happy movie about [TS]

  Santa Claus and all that but when mr. [TS]

  Macy is on the stand [TS]

  I mean he's he's basically lying under [TS]

  oath was imagining headlines that Miss [TS]

  Maisie declares Santa colossal froggy [TS]

  cannot renounce his own Santa Claus in [TS]

  the applicants so he goes along with it [TS]

  and and and yes but his putting [TS]

  headlines appear before him it's just [TS]

  great he also sees the smiling [TS]

  children's faces true i think in that [TS]

  few seconds you realize maybe he really [TS]

  does Billy though I really watching this [TS]

  movie with my girlfriend who is a [TS]

  business who went to business school [TS]

  point out that everybody acts in self [TS]

  interest in capitalism basically [TS]

  throughout the entire movie [TS]

  yeah yeah no this is a very Pro [TS]

  capitalism movie yeah the entire movie [TS]

  is a love letter to acquiring stuff just [TS]

  like it's also love letter to white [TS]

  flight [TS]

  I'm it's just it's i-i've never feel [TS]

  like more of a communist then after [TS]

  watching it a lot of isms out there Lisa [TS]

  well but I very worse just communist am [TS]

  i right senator mccarthy yeah that it's [TS]

  it was just you just let me keep working [TS]

  in the movies [TS]

  oh you know heaven forfend some child [TS]

  not not get a toy you get she got a [TS]

  house that was the thing i did portal [TS]

  had to put up with me sputtering 45 [TS]

  minutes because I was like you know in [TS]

  20 I was like in 30 years this child's [TS]

  gonna regret having your mother out of [TS]

  Manhattan real estate prices begin the [TS]

  rebound but she's not and the reason is [TS]

  that they live in a magical world where [TS]

  Santa Claus isn't actually real [TS]

  that's the answer here is yeah and so [TS]

  that way the real did that in that [TS]

  affects real estate markets too because [TS]

  Santa can just move people around it [TS]

  with is not magic exists anything can [TS]

  happen [TS]

  the VI is like you lease i struggle and [TS]

  and Lauren struggles to i know it and [TS]

  this is her favorite movie I actually [TS]

  hadn't seen this movie until about ten [TS]

  years ago and i love it i love it [TS]

  unreservedly but it's [TS]

  almost like i love it despite all these [TS]

  things that should make me hate it and [TS]

  and you you mentioned some of it there [TS]

  is a very clear message here that what's [TS]

  really important is believing in things [TS]

  that aren't real and i know i don't [TS]

  agree with that at all i completely [TS]

  disagree that in fact yes i am one of [TS]

  those people who refuse to tell their [TS]

  children that Santa Claus was real well [TS]

  because that he's not but I so I'm i [TS]

  guess i'm on on lots marino era side yet [TS]

  boiler gta4 whoa [TS]

  we're gonna take this we're gonna take [TS]

  this to court all of our elementary [TS]

  school-aged incomparable listeners are [TS]

  now sobbing uncontrollably [TS]

  yeah right i'm gonna reveal whether [TS]

  Santa Claus is real after the sound of [TS]

  the spoiler orange I think using your [TS]

  point though that this movie really does [TS]

  a good job of yet has the well just [TS]

  believe in fairytales and everything's [TS]

  great but it also has the it look just [TS]

  kill you too exact long and be nice or [TS]

  and where does it kill you to recommend [TS]

  something at Gimbels or in the end is [TS]

  that actually better you're like [TS]

  reconsidering your you know it is about [TS]

  enlightened self-interest but it's also [TS]

  like don't be cut don't be such a jerk [TS]

  because there are ways to be nice and [TS]

  empathetic and still have it be good for [TS]

  you watching this movie this time around [TS]

  it's very reminiscent of another movie [TS]

  that came out like a few years later on [TS]

  the original angels in the outfield [TS]

  which again it to get you just should [TS]

  hate this movie because if there's [TS]

  angels helping baseball team won a [TS]

  pennant and then it should just be the [TS]

  small T there's an orphan and she sees [TS]

  the angels and but it really kind of [TS]

  straddles the line number between the [TS]

  this sort of head in the clouds [TS]

  it ate everything wonderful and kinda [TS]

  real world not cynicism but a real uh [TS]

  realism that and and and the end of it [TS]

  is [TS]

  hey just be a nice person and also that [TS]

  ends with a rush [TS]

  I'm trying okay so also do it when [TS]

  you're done watching kansas city [TS]

  confidential with john Payne we don't [TS]

  watch angels in the outfield alright [TS]

  Janet Leigh and done thanks for building [TS]

  my your building my playlist oh this [TS]

  movie's interesting just because it [TS]

  shows you with it it's basically a [TS]

  forecast the nineteen fifties when you [TS]

  look at it though because some it lays [TS]

  down a lot of the a lot of the narrative [TS]

  for you know consumed by will gratify [TS]

  you it will make you a better person you [TS]

  will feel like your dreams are coming [TS]

  true [TS]

  you know and that that the put that the [TS]

  post-war cultures is just beginning to [TS]

  take off at this point and i feel like [TS]

  this movie represents kind of a cultural [TS]

  inflection point that took you right [TS]

  into the nineteen-fifties and the [TS]

  explicit the invention of explicit [TS]

  marketing toward children and you know [TS]

  again the movement to the suburbs which [TS]

  was done for a wide variety of reasons [TS]

  both economic and sociological 17 years [TS]

  before before Charlie Brown Christmas [TS]

  which also decried Christmas [TS]

  commercialism and i laughed at that [TS]

  because this movie does the exact same [TS]

  thing and again charlie brown christmas [TS]

  brought to you by coca-cola and here we [TS]

  have you know it's the entire story of a [TS]

  department store and yet they are [TS]

  decrying Christmas commercialism I just [TS]

  think it's funny that that was not a new [TS]

  thing at and Kris kringles decrying [TS]

  Christmas commercialism for the last 50 [TS]

  years is this coming up when I was [TS]

  watching this was like you know he talks [TS]

  about the the meaning of Christmas going [TS]

  away and I was sort of like digging [TS]

  around a little bit because I was [TS]

  curious just how long you know how long [TS]

  is this this perception that we still [TS]

  hold today right [TS]

  the christmas has been diluted has [TS]

  become about shopping and toys and all [TS]

  of this stuff and not about you know [TS]

  being kind your neighbors and reaching [TS]

  out to people etc like how long has this [TS]

  been going on and the answer is [TS]

  according to official 18th century 21 in [TS]

  sensory you know wasn't doing that [TS]

  during the Depression you think I mean [TS]

  all I could just site Santa Claus and [TS]

  saying that he's sad about the last 50 [TS]

  years this is a delusional man that we [TS]

  don't know if he has the graph of [TS]

  actions finally I i take away the exact [TS]

  opposite from it but maybe that's just [TS]

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  smarter so there's the trial and [TS]

  basically it comes down to [TS]

  hey john Payne hotshot attorney and [TS]

  Ladykiller you think that you can get [TS]

  someone to categorically prove that this [TS]

  crazy old man is Santa Claus and [TS]

  champagnes all I don't know and so it's [TS]

  not looking good for all Kris Kringle [TS]

  that which is when we cut to the the [TS]

  mailroom at the US Postal Service we're [TS]

  basically of the workers of the world [TS]

  are are united in favor of Santa Claus [TS]

  they're getting these are letters that [TS]

  are addressed to Kris Kringle at the [TS]

  courthouse and [TS]

  one of the postal worker says hey we get [TS]

  all these letters friend to CNN we put [TS]

  in the dead letter office [TS]

  let's send him to the courthouse so the [TS]

  trial is wrapping up it's not looking [TS]

  good for Kris Kringle when suddenly and [TS]

  if you've never seen Miracle on [TS]

  thirty-fourth Street you've doubtlessly [TS]

  seen some sort of homage onto the scene [TS]

  where john Payne whips up the letter [TS]

  that's been sent to the courthouse said [TS]

  he says here here's a letter that [TS]

  someone sent to Santa and the judge i [TS]

  believe it's the judge it might be it [TS]

  might be District Attorney miles Archer [TS]

  says one letter what does that prove it [TS]

  hits bring in boy yeah seven sacks of [TS]

  mail from there on my desk and WS and [TS]

  young Todd judged gene Lockhart's desk [TS]

  which proves because the federal [TS]

  government says that this guy's sentence [TS]

  should get the mail [TS]

  therefore Edmund Quinn AK Kris Kringle [TS]

  AKA crazy old man is in fact Santa so [TS]

  this movie is really about a strong [TS]

  federal government and how important [TS]

  that is doing exactly [TS]

  now do you like it Lisa it's all about [TS]

  government intervention communism I [TS]

  commercialism and that's our workers of [TS]

  the world saving the day it's about the [TS]

  proletariat come on [TS]

  so really its many things to all people [TS]

  is everything alright it's terrible it's [TS]

  a guy in a red suit in a black boys you [TS]

  ready yeah is it red though we don't [TS]

  even know mostly it's just a very funny [TS]

  movie which is there that's right it is [TS]

  it's funny and it's charm it holds up to [TS]

  it hold up it mean as a you know 68-year [TS]

  old movie it's still pretty entertaining [TS]

  it it it really is for very funny very [TS]

  entertaining [TS]

  it's a good family movie i think i was [TS]

  actually yeah more to the story [TS]

  what because as Lisa mentioned earlier [TS]

  in the movie The Skeptical Natalie Wood [TS]

  character says okay if you're Santa you [TS]

  bring me what I want for Christmas will [TS]

  of course little girl what you want [TS]

  property real Natalie Wood 16 likely [TS]

  yeah Natalie Wood wants to move out on [TS]

  out of Manhattan and into the suburbs [TS]

  and so she show santa picture of a house [TS]

  yes that's all saturday doesn't have [TS]

  enough for a down payment all and they [TS]

  that that plot line is dropped and [TS]

  Natalie would see Santa get out well [TS]

  it's great that he's not crazy but he's [TS]

  also just a nice guy with a beard [TS]

  because he didn't get me what I wanted [TS]

  for Christmas and uh they're driving [TS]

  home from the party on a roof that Santa [TS]

  gave them here drive this way [TS]

  san Diego's her roots by the way he's [TS]

  very good at now he is the mapquest of [TS]

  the nineteen forties and they drive by [TS]

  this house that is for sale that [TS]

  surprisingly like the house fit Natalie [TS]

  Wood was asking for [TS]

  oh no I got me up and that is when john [TS]

  Payne like closes the deal with Moreno [TS]

  era it's me let's buy this house you [TS]

  can't say no you'll disappoint your kids [TS]

  well as as my girlfriend also pointed [TS]

  out they've been dating since maybe [TS]

  thanksgiving yeah it's Christmas latest [TS]

  a whirlwind romance john Payne is like [TS]

  you said he is he's he's a slick [TS]

  operator gotta work fast in 1947 you [TS]

  don't know whether you're going to get [TS]

  the grip and yeah the korean war is [TS]

  about to break out in 34 years you might [TS]

  get set off to so maybe we should be a [TS]

  whip there's a bit of dialogue where he [TS]

  says you know let's go have dinner at [TS]

  the usual place so there's this you get [TS]

  the impression that this is actually we [TS]

  just haven't seen it there is a [TS]

  whirlwind romance going on behind the [TS]

  scenes because they give that piece of [TS]

  dialogue we have we see very little [TS]

  evidence of it but it's very clearly [TS]

  happening there is a scene where I I [TS]

  felt like you know in our conversation [TS]

  that came to our conversation about the [TS]

  empire strikes back I turn to my au turn [TS]

  my girlfriend is it do you think they've [TS]

  had sex but this point and she looks at [TS]

  them in the screen where he like she [TS]

  like puts a hand on her shoulder and she [TS]

  goes [TS]

  yo yeah well she's a divorce a young [TS]

  she's known the test of a man's already [TS]

  way too i reacting so he's a lawyer what [TS]

  yeah so i wanted to mention a while [TS]

  sorry Phil you you have that we keep [TS]

  interrupting your magical conclusion [TS]

  head big and exactly thank you Jason for [TS]

  recognizing my magic maybe I'm Santa [TS]

  Claus maybe sotelo let's prove it a man [TS]

  needs something to keep warm so what [TS]

  happens is they're they're saying well [TS]

  isn't this a coinkydink that we wound up [TS]

  to [TS]

  house and then they notice haha by the [TS]

  fireplace it's a cane just like the one [TS]

  the kriss kringle uses oh no oh my god [TS]

  killer leaves a signature that's already [TS]

  followed them there it came from inside [TS]

  the house is waiting inside the closet [TS]

  and the moment that the cameras cut they [TS]

  are dead yep [TS]

  grandpa's this friday because we hit [TS]

  Sawyer with an umbrella though I was [TS]

  completed out of brother somebody was [TS]

  easy with the cane people back and forth [TS]

  between the came in the umbrella it he [TS]

  hits him on the head and it then raises [TS]

  a bump and developed and the point of [TS]

  guys you a question mr. Macy personally [TS]

  fires granville Sawyer in the courtroom [TS]

  don't be unemployed and I'm happy at [TS]

  Christmastime everyone within the early [TS]

  part of the film he has the cane with [TS]

  him but when he realizes that the [TS]

  umbrella is actually better for bringing [TS]

  new smart realizes he doesn't need to [TS]

  keep your website he discards it that I [TS]

  do like mr. Bailey's final wine which is [TS]

  that maybe he didn't do such a wonderful [TS]

  day after all [TS]

  yeah that's great he's crazy too [TS]

  although as a kid that line really [TS]

  confused me [TS]

  it's a you know and then I guess really [TS]

  at the end maureen o'hara believes in [TS]

  the possibility of magic again because [TS]

  she's already been made to believe she [TS]

  signs the letter that Susie rights said [TS]

  giving you two [TS]

  yes but this is the final clincher like [TS]

  maybe he was real all along [TS]

  what do I care i'm going to bed with [TS]

  john Payne tonight he says i love I'd [TS]

  like so the moment got me this time and [TS]

  it get sometimes it gets mean sometimes [TS]

  it doesn't doesn't but this time it did [TS]

  is the moment where he's a so he's he's [TS]

  listening to all the all the kids who [TS]

  are coming into macy's and sit on [TS]

  Santa's lap and they asked for it and [TS]

  the first is the lady who's the most New [TS]

  York lady operator where she's like [TS]

  writer we get it [TS]

  I don't get you tell me to go to me [TS]

  symbols even is our mutual [TS]

  I don't get it she just keeps saying [TS]

  it's so new york it's so amazing but the [TS]

  one that gets me is the the little Dutch [TS]

  girl the Dutch girl I mean I mean [TS]

  because when you think it's a cute scene [TS]

  because he knows he can he just like I [TS]

  told her you don't speak Dutch he speaks [TS]

  Dutch and they sing the center class [TS]

  song was about to class got a boo-boo [TS]

  it's so great but think about why she's [TS]

  a Dutch orphan in the 1940s her parents [TS]

  were killed if not in the Holocaust [TS]

  you know in world war two and she has [TS]

  been shipped over to the United States [TS]

  to find a new family and it is it gets a [TS]

  little dusty when I when she's just so [TS]

  sad so enjoyed your eyes are so wide and [TS]

  just haunted [TS]

  oh and then Santa Claus is like he's got [TS]

  the Dutch songs and all of that knits [TS]

  and when he asks her in Dutch what she [TS]

  wants she basically says I don't need [TS]

  anything because I have a family now [TS]

  Oh gets me every time oh maybe he really [TS]

  is Santa Claus you Santa Claus dad I [TS]

  would need approved by a competent [TS]

  authority federal government little [TS]

  Johnny shang let's take you to the judge [TS]

  he's crazy too [TS]

  so like as i mentioned earlier this is [TS]

  my wife's favorite Christmas movie end [TS]

  as i said before you know she can't [TS]

  explain it either [TS]

  she is you know she she's Jewish [TS]

  she is not particularly a believer in [TS]

  any of the other in anything and yet so [TS]

  therefore this movie should have no [TS]

  residence hall and yet it is delightful [TS]

  and she showed it to me for the first [TS]

  time whatever ten years ago it and I [TS]

  agree completely this is my favorite [TS]

  Christmas movie i love it's strange [TS]

  mixture of like never too cynical never [TS]

  to glassy-eyed uh funny people out for [TS]

  their own self-interest but also [TS]

  learning some things along the way very [TS]

  new york in a in a forties New York way [TS]

  that I kind of love I you know I i think [TS]

  that uh that mr. Gailey that john Payne [TS]

  does is great i think just just [TS]

  spectacular in the way he like he said [TS]

  he's got the game he is playing the [TS]

  games he's playing the legal games the [TS]

  romancing marine O'Hara so good and [TS]

  edmund gwenn is fantastic [TS]

  I mean you if ever there was a man you [TS]

  would believe in Santa Claus is that man [TS]

  so I love this movie it is just a [TS]

  there's something about it it walks the [TS]

  line it doesn't go too far to to you [TS]

  know into areas that would make it i [TS]

  think not as pleasant a movie twist my [TS]

  arm and I guess I kind of like it all [TS]

  your heart grew one size [TS]

  yeah just my heart's really about the [TS]

  same size i agree with you completely [TS]

  i'm not sure i put this in my as my [TS]

  first favorite but it's definitely in [TS]

  the top three I loved it since I was a [TS]

  kid my dad and [TS]

  reduce me to it and that was back before [TS]

  i got the the more adult humor that you [TS]

  know the knowing looks being exchanged [TS]

  between Fred Mertz and the judge and all [TS]

  the other stuff it's just it's it's it's [TS]

  really sweet and it's genuinely funny [TS]

  and i'm not bothered at all by the fact [TS]

  that a Christmas movie suggest that you [TS]

  should put faith in something that you [TS]

  can't necessarily see so I think it's [TS]

  great [TS]

  yeah i agree with Steve on that I mean [TS]

  I've seen this movie probably I I think [TS]

  saying 30 x is probably not unreasonable [TS]

  given i think i've watched this movie [TS]

  every Christmas for most of my life [TS]

  it's one of my mom's favorite movies i [TS]

  started watching it when when I was kid [TS]

  and like Steve I agree you know even as [TS]

  someone who maybe not but may not [TS]

  believe in Santa Claus i do you think [TS]

  the idea of you know there are [TS]

  intangible things to believe in is a [TS]

  worthwhile message because there are [TS]

  concepts at least if nothing else as [TS]

  mister day as mr. Gailey points out that [TS]

  are that are worth something in the end [TS]

  its start your great performances all [TS]

  around it's it's well-written it's a [TS]

  funny movie there are a lot of movies [TS]

  from this area and from earlier is that [TS]

  don't hold up and this one really does [TS]

  and it manages to be genuine [TS]

  I think about a lot of things so and I i [TS]

  never really took away any of the [TS]

  commercialism complaints about it i [TS]

  guess maybe I store took that as a [TS]

  younger kid i internalized that the text [TS]

  more than the subtext so yeah this is [TS]

  definitely in my top christmas movies [TS]

  i'd say it's probably like number two [TS]

  like we're behind die hard but hey [TS]

  oh no it's perfect Jeff Luc very similar [TS]

  it's easily in my top five more but it [TS]

  probably number five [TS]

  but yeah i love i love the earnestness [TS]

  without being square or overly corny [TS]

  it's like it has a nice balance between [TS]

  the humor and and the just genuineness [TS]

  of it for a dissenting opinion we go to [TS]

  judge miser she's crazy to read verses [TS]

  waving a cigar and her right eye I only [TS]

  saw the movie for the first time last [TS]

  night so I [TS]

  yeah well you know how you're always [TS]

  parents introduced me to this movie I [TS]

  associate with christmas everyone is [TS]

  saying that is very sweet and I like [TS]

  thinking about the movies that make up [TS]

  your internal holiday traditions i come [TS]

  from a family where our family christmas [TS]

  was the lion in winter so off it's why [TS]

  we do not watch me and why I did not get [TS]

  around to Miracle on thirty-fourth [TS]

  Street why did a lot [TS]

  test about it i will say that my [TS]

  grandparents who we lived with when I [TS]

  was a child and my mother hated this [TS]

  movie so I didn't see it until I was [TS]

  growing up either [TS]

  there's a lot of terrible people out [TS]

  there David that's right some of the [TS]

  worst our cover so people blossoms that [TS]

  moist I like i said i found the movie to [TS]

  be fascinating because I feel like it's [TS]

  sort of a snapshot that anticipates a [TS]

  lot of the cultural currents of the [TS]

  nineteen fifties yeah [TS]

  reverberating down it's a fifties movie [TS]

  it is the United 47 well that's what is [TS]

  it basically is it it basically [TS]

  encapsulate suppose for ethos and how [TS]

  people are beginning to move on with [TS]

  your lives after the war and i find that [TS]

  kind of transitional period really [TS]

  fascinating so when I was watching the [TS]

  movie and thinking about how this movie [TS]

  was kind of capturing a society and flex [TS]

  for people are still fucking figuring [TS]

  out their rules once they return to the [TS]

  states like that that's what made the [TS]

  movie interesting to me and I like all [TS]

  the period details because i'm a sucker [TS]

  for vintage decor and Natalie Wood has [TS]

  one of the best dirty looks in the [TS]

  business i'm looking forward to showing [TS]

  this to Trixie um you know it'll be [TS]

  interesting to see what her reaction is [TS]

  to it [TS]

  where another family that doesn't talk [TS]

  about Santa on like she'll bring it home [TS]

  and say Santa this and that right hmmm [TS]

  interesting belief system you got there [TS]

  but we don't push it we don't use it as [TS]

  like sometimes I regret the decision [TS]

  because we can't use them as a threat [TS]

  but that's what he's there for now [TS]

  yeah but other than that you know we [TS]

  don't push it and it'll be interesting [TS]

  to see what her take is when you know my [TS]

  god there's a child is insurance [TS]

  worldview you know it's it's it's [TS]

  pleasant enough it's not one of my least [TS]

  favorite Christmas oh I in all [TS]

  seriousness i would say that on the [TS]

  video blur i would [TS]

  I'm i would say give it give it give [TS]

  another look because I think there are a [TS]

  lot of levels to this film and and that [TS]

  if what you come away with is about the [TS]

  commercialism of it i mean i think the [TS]

  point the film is actually to the the [TS]

  people who are rising above the [TS]

  commercialism it is set at macys so yes [TS]

  that's true but that's what Chris is [TS]

  more point is you know he's doing things [TS]

  like making that little Dutch girl happy [TS]

  and you know that it's more important [TS]

  things than the commercials which is why [TS]

  he sends people to Gimbels I mean it [TS]

  happens that forms a perfect synergy [TS]

  with macy wanting to get more people [TS]

  into his store but that's not the whole [TS]

  reason why you did it but still you [TS]

  gotta move product and i write those I i [TS]

  am impressed with how competent they [TS]

  allow Doris Walker to be as the single [TS]

  female divorce a.m she's she's doing it [TS]

  for herself I mean she's risen up high [TS]

  in the in the chain and macy she's in [TS]

  charge of the whole parade yeah well at [TS]

  least it was quite we're not that far [TS]

  removed from an area where to world war [TS]

  two when women were quite commonly in [TS]

  the workplace because no one else was [TS]

  was around saying this would not have [TS]

  been I I don't think shocking except if [TS]

  you're in the the Catholic defense [TS]

  league or whatever the hell was that [TS]

  protest well I'm heartened that they [TS]

  stuck with it for at least a couple [TS]

  years at war until until Eisenhower came [TS]

  around and set us all street she does [TS]

  put clowns on the pirate float in the [TS]

  opening scene which I find some horses [TS]

  in America yeah yeah yeahs Connor she is [TS]

  she's concerned about how crisp has [TS]

  latent maniacal tendencies but she [TS]

  doesn't seem to have a problem with [TS]

  letting him touch her daughter into bed [TS]

  with a check find a little strange but [TS]

  otherwise very competent well you know [TS]

  you went through that those busy single [TS]

  working mothers need to need to you that [TS]

  utilizes much second party help us take [TS]

  a man you got Santa Claus to put your [TS]

  kid to bed you make use of that exactly [TS]

  I think we would be remiss if we did not [TS]

  mention the greatest newspaper headline [TS]

  of all time [TS]

  oh yes yes please Kris Kringle crazy [TS]

  court case coming calamity cry kitties [TS]

  ok ok yes also I i do like at some point [TS]

  when they when when [TS]

  Charlie the political fixer is telling [TS]

  the judge you know why you shouldn't say [TS]

  there's no Santa Claus and he mentions [TS]

  the kids reading the newspaper which i [TS]

  kinda liked wasn't supposed to call i [TS]

  gagged I guess the kids probably were [TS]

  reading the newspaper said that point so [TS]

  i think yeah they had to get informed [TS]

  somehow there was no twitter for the [TS]

  latest on the very next moment where [TS]

  where he sees that the case has gotten [TS]

  put up on the on the front page and he's [TS]

  like oh this is good this is good this [TS]

  is good for me it's good for my business [TS]

  it's good that we're getting the [TS]

  publicity the newspaper is a big part of [TS]

  that too and yes [TS]

  in addition to the the calamity cry [TS]

  kitties i love the the line early on [TS]

  about these pirius Santa Clauses that's [TS]

  just fantastic [TS]

  substituting for experienced Santa [TS]

  Clauses also never noticed until this [TS]

  viewing that the employee elevator at [TS]

  macy's is far too small for this is that [TS]

  building apparently she and Shellhammer [TS]

  doors walker and Cheryl Shellhammer have [TS]

  to wedge themselves out from behind [TS]

  about 60 people in order to get to the [TS]

  meeting with macy alright let me tell [TS]

  you about a sponsor on the uncomfortable [TS]

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  it's a kickstarter project for max [TS]

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  it's got an interesting name are you [TS]

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  bit about what secret Hitler is all [TS]

  about the liberal team is trying to keep [TS]

  control of the government this is [TS]

  definitely inspired by the rise of the [TS]

  Nazis in World before world war two and [TS]

  they are a majority group right but they [TS]

  have distrust and they need to learn to [TS]

  work together to overcome fascism and [TS]

  assassinate Hitler before he can take [TS]

  over the government so it's super [TS]

  intense [TS]

  but it's also really interesting and how [TS]

  it tries to take a page out of history [TS]

  and understand the dynamics that led to [TS]

  the rise of somebody who did not have [TS]

  the support of the majority but that [TS]

  person ended up taking control of the [TS]

  government so it is a little bit of [TS]

  history and a little bit of social [TS]

  commentary and also it falls into this [TS]

  social deduction category for played [TS]

  werewolf you know what i'm talking about [TS]

  very fun and very cool it's on [TS]

  Kickstarter now it's already funded [TS]

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  you can do through december 23rd you're [TS]

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  get the game and you can learn a lot [TS]

  more about it see it in action watch the [TS]

  videos at secret Hitler dot-com that's [TS]

  where you need to go secret Hitler com [TS]

  max Temkin who created co-created cards [TS]

  against humanity smart guy funny guy [TS]

  this is a great idea for a game he's [TS]

  done some other game design in the last [TS]

  few years that I've really enjoyed i [TS]

  encourage you to check it out especially [TS]

  if you played any of those social [TS]

  deduction games like mafia or werewolf [TS]

  I think you will find secret Hitler a [TS]

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  go to secret Hitler calm and thanks to [TS]

  max and everybody else pine secret [TS]

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  uncomfortable and by the way phil was [TS]

  the secret Hitler all along i love the [TS]

  drunken mrs. Shellhammer by the way that [TS]

  is all made by i could not totally so [TS]

  city of me and she's just laughing I [TS]

  made them triple string a movie in which [TS]

  the drunken Santa Claus from the first [TS]

  scene meets drunken mrs. Shellhammer [TS]

  would be minus me or my Christmas movie [TS]

  it's just drink and laugh together made [TS]

  the martinis triple strength and she [TS]

  feels wonderful miracle streets of [TS]

  street much about their marriage to [TS]

  Arkady is away colleges yes this is [TS]

  hitter there and there is no empty nest [TS]

  syndrome to them at all what's a better [TS]

  ya rappin martinis for dinner every [TS]

  night mostly off me [TS]

  mom dad I'm home from college I'm [TS]

  started we have a jar of cocktail one of [TS]

  the few ppl unions and that is held in [TS]

  another in another world they are Nick [TS]

  and Nora Charles yeah we haven't eaten [TS]

  since nineteen forty-two [TS]

  I did I can enjoy the just every time I [TS]

  love that she gets the witch wind the [TS]

  telephone is roll that's just the best [TS]

  yeah it's the best city of me go and [TS]

  there's no no there's no reason that [TS]

  that's in that movie there's no reason [TS]

  it's there other than its zany hey [TS]

  speaking of loveless marriages let's [TS]

  talk about life in winter [TS]

  alrighty street let's do it alright [TS]

  alright so we start with theme music [TS]

  straight out of an omen film as I was [TS]

  watching I said they're gonna be like [TS]

  three panels and then tap out just [TS]

  because the opening credits because it [TS]

  really so would you care to imitate the [TS]

  open you know music hate to put you on [TS]

  the spot but you do a very good job [TS]

  oh it's all right for people from [TS]

  different situation to love my dad used [TS]

  to run around that was singing raging [TS]

  raging latissimus starside at the [TS]

  perfect and that was pretty much always [TS]

  saying along to the crowds we watched it [TS]

  every year Christmas as a terrorist [TS]

  family tradition the first time I [TS]

  watched it took me like three tries to [TS]

  realize it was a DSS array from a [TS]

  Catholic Mass was like oh ok they're not [TS]

  an NCAA you know they are not know the [TS]

  year each 1183 icing [TS]

  yes and this the scene England Henry the [TS]

  second is the king and he is he is what [TS]

  you might call a lion in winter because [TS]

  he's a little bit old he needs to find [TS]

  an error because his son Henry you know [TS]

  died because he was trying to overthrow [TS]

  his father I think additionally it is [TS]

  water that this film is said it exactly [TS]

  winter and yeah it's Christmas because [TS]

  receive but it is not it is not England [TS]

  it is not set in England it set in [TS]

  France [TS]

  yeah answer technically speaking Hindi [TS]

  the second was the king of half of [TS]

  friends at this point yes and that's [TS]

  where the movie set yeah they ship the [TS]

  ship it katharine hepburn in from London [TS]

  for ya where she's locked up yeah I'm [TS]

  and kept up there i think that you have [TS]

  to understand about Henry that editing [TS]

  second element is there basically one of [TS]

  history's fun couples there these their [TS]

  couples in history who significantly [TS]

  shape culture change [TS]

  and statecraft like the Emperor [TS]

  Justinian and his wife [TS]

  Theodora or um Napoleon and Josephine [TS]

  and Henry and Eleanor and this movie is [TS]

  is basically about just can't quit each [TS]

  other random and they get it and it's [TS]

  about a contentious family Christmas [TS]

  guess what get what could be more [TS]

  Christmassy than getting together [TS]

  bringing the family from the far-flung [TS]

  corners of your kingdom and no one gets [TS]

  a long and dark use all the time and [TS]

  tries to kill each other with sorts [TS]

  well it does go on about you know the [TS]

  tendency to revert to your childhood [TS]

  roles in this case technically speaking [TS]

  both Richard and John shouldn't even [TS]

  facing the succession thing but again [TS]

  Henry the younger died when he was [TS]

  waging war against his dad and Henry the [TS]

  second was so capable of holding a [TS]

  grudge that when Henry the younger came [TS]

  to like Henry the younger sent [TS]

  emissaries to Henry with two deathbed [TS]

  requests and the first most i'd like to [TS]

  see you before i die father and the [TS]

  answer was no and then the second [TS]

  request that you please free my mother [TS]

  on because by this point like Henry sons [TS]

  were beginning to like overthrown was [TS]

  like a hottie [TS]

  please bring my mother from prison and [TS]

  the answer that was also flat know like [TS]

  Henry the second is the kind of guy who [TS]

  really enjoys disappointing his children [TS]

  when they disappointed him and what's [TS]

  it's very much a the The Who's Afraid of [TS]

  Virginia Woolf kind of paradigm it'sit's [TS]

  George and Martha except they're both [TS]

  more fun and more deadly and [TS]

  bloodthirsty now the reason this is a [TS]

  classic christmas movie in our house and [TS]

  get my dad really really enjoyed movies [TS]

  of a lot of a of back-and-forth [TS]

  interplay you know he also enjoyed [TS]

  please like that too [TS]

  and indeed this was a play before it was [TS]

  a movie you'd never know it [TS]

  yeah as anyone who watches it wanted to [TS]

  tell how could you tell this was a play [TS]

  I mean there's a wide establishing shot [TS]

  then there's ppl yapping in a room then [TS]

  there's a wide establishing shot then [TS]

  there's people you have another shot [TS]

  goes on for several minutes yeah there's [TS]

  a shot with all of them lined up talk it [TS]

  follows the same basic rhythm is the [TS]

  Star Wars prequels [TS]

  except it's it's more popcorn movie than [TS]

  me said a king you who do i have to [TS]

  separate out my deep sentimental [TS]

  fondness and my love for this against [TS]

  the fact that visually it is totally not [TS]

  a standard like the one thing i do [TS]

  appreciate visually is it points out [TS]

  that it really is not cool or fun or [TS]

  beautiful to be living in an era where [TS]

  there's no endure heat or sanitation or [TS]

  you know brightly colored clothing or [TS]

  anything like that so so I pretty much [TS]

  just wondering reason King any dresses [TS]

  like a hobo [TS]

  well I appreciate that they don't [TS]

  glamorize it and that they don't make it [TS]

  look like it's you know that all silks [TS]

  and linens and in jewels all the time [TS]

  it's basically a bunch of super cold [TS]

  people in a giant smoky stone structure [TS]

  try not to choke and try not to get [TS]

  killed by each other at the same time I [TS]

  love the play and I really liked the [TS]

  movie but i love the play and so i don't [TS]

  i don't have the illusion that this is [TS]

  the greatest movie on earth it is too [TS]

  long [TS]

  James Goldman adapted his own script and [TS]

  and opening it out doesn't do any favors [TS]

  when so much of it is still closed in [TS]

  although anthony hopkins I think there's [TS]

  just that moment where he says to tell [TS]

  you never cold i would have come but you [TS]

  never called like the first time I saw [TS]

  that I kind of stopped Stockstill [TS]

  because that that you know hit the heart [TS]

  because it was just so raw [TS]

  yes and so visceral so it's interesting [TS]

  to watch his performance and you know i [TS]

  like the actors who play Jeffrey and [TS]

  John have evidently going on to have [TS]

  long and distinguished career ever but [TS]

  it's really none of those actors can [TS]

  keep up with Peter O'Toole and Katharine [TS]

  Hepburn oh no sir [TS]

  so we're about 10 minutes into this and [TS]

  i haven't actually discussed the plot [TS]

  which i think is telling we could [TS]

  because plot is not actually central to [TS]

  this movie I'm not really I i can get I [TS]

  can do the plot in about 20 seconds yeah [TS]

  uh Peter O'Toole needs to find an heir [TS]

  to the throne either going to have a [TS]

  Christmas court where the King of France [TS]

  is played by timothy dalton in one of [TS]

  his his position as you first movie is [TS]

  coming over to negotiate a peace treaty [TS]

  are so he decides to get the [TS]

  Eleanor of Aquitaine out of the deep [TS]

  freeze brings her and brings in his [TS]

  three sons all of whom to marry degrees [TS]

  hatem and then the rest of the movie is [TS]

  him fighting without Eleanor and him [TS]

  fighting with the sun's as we try and [TS]

  determine who the air is but really [TS]

  that's not the important part the [TS]

  important part is the interactions [TS]

  between Henry and Eleanor that's the [TS]

  entire of a fulcrum on which the movie [TS]

  pivots and for my just to reveal my hand [TS]

  i absolutely love the scenes between [TS]

  Peter O'Toole and Katharine Hepburn I [TS]

  think those make the movie alone with [TS]

  watching I'm less inclined anytime that [TS]

  the the three sons are on the screen and [TS]

  when it's there's no Peter to lure know [TS]

  Katherine Hepburn go fix yourself a [TS]

  drink because that means it's not much [TS]

  of a movie then it's yet it's very slow [TS]

  it's very pokey and its stages hell and [TS]

  cognac and not in not in that ropeway [TS]

  will be all those robbers stages hell [TS]

  but Rome actually it works as a state [TS]

  movie as theatre boy it it hurts to [TS]

  watch this sometimes because of that is [TS]

  your specific identity that is any [TS]

  theatre boy rogues the streets looking [TS]

  for clays lights please [TS]

  and yeah it's it's just so aggressively [TS]

  not filmic in a lot of scenes and [TS]

  especially the wedding sequence where [TS]

  they're all lined up in a row and the [TS]

  camera doesn't even move it's like that [TS]

  all like God to know that is that is [TS]

  weird and it's just painful but I do [TS]

  that it does let you concentrate the [TS]

  language that's true i do love Hopkins [TS]

  and I love watching him and especially [TS]

  in the scene with with just him and [TS]

  Dalton when he when he thinks they're [TS]

  alone in Dalton's bedchamber where he is [TS]

  again it's a very raw emotion for him [TS]

  wherever he is he's trying to not be [TS]

  vulnerable and still say dude did you [TS]

  love me you know and that is just [TS]

  devastating and and so it's [TS]

  devastating and and so it's [TS]

  fun to watch that of the three sons I [TS]

  think John castle as Prince Jeffrey does [TS]

  the best job because he yeah he is the [TS]

  piteous so that is dear to my heart i [TS]

  think difference John looks like bob [TS]

  geldof involved and Nigel Terry was [TS]

  Prince John he is he has given no [TS]

  favourites because it's basically it [TS]

  seems like his directions be as worried [TS]

  as possible I was just gonna say where [TS]

  be because for me and unpleasant and [TS]

  just every time the cameras on him i [TS]

  cringe and was like you just weed your [TS]

  tight we want we want viewers to when [TS]

  they when they look at you think what is [TS]

  wrong with that guy [TS]

  yeah i do that for us yes because at one [TS]

  point Peter of tool promises his [TS]

  mistress to Prince John but and and [TS]

  basically you've got all that poor [TS]

  mistress [TS]

  oh man when there are more simple and he [TS]

  smells like a stock areas of the house [TS]

  to go to one of the brothers anyway [TS]

  because she came with the Vexin answer [TS]

  and they were more interested in holding [TS]

  onto the vaccine for strategic purposes [TS]

  so and if she doesn't marry one of them [TS]

  transfer internet after turn the dowry [TS]

  I mean I think this makes that I think [TS]

  the line it makes a really good holiday [TS]

  movie mostly because um if you've ever [TS]

  had a holiday family where somebody [TS]

  somewhere is starting up the the the [TS]

  poop for no good reason or people come [TS]

  back and automatically revert to roles [TS]

  they last held in the 1980s or nineteen [TS]

  nineties like watching this can be [TS]

  weirdly cathartic know i'm [TS]

  super-interested to hear why people [TS]

  hated it [TS]

  well that's Jason snows music exactly my [TS]

  god my god it's long the camera is [TS]

  static it's not a holiday movie it's [TS]

  it's a that's a sham to give us to watch [TS]

  a movie that's not actually about the [TS]

  holiday [TS]

  always know that I will fight about [TS]

  families get ready okay if yes it is [TS]

  about family if you happen to be the [TS]

  king of freaking England and your [TS]

  children or or or we'll put it this way [TS]

  if you really want to strain the [TS]

  metaphor [TS]

  yes it is is about a family that hates [TS]

  each other but they're all tied together [TS]

  and they're all going to go down [TS]

  together or at least some of them will [TS]

  be stabbed by the by the the the strong [TS]

  men who are brought in the middle of the [TS]

  night on as it's just very early [TS]

  Christmas morning [TS]

  you know I found I found it it's very [TS]

  talky some of the dialogue is very good [TS]

  it goes on forever it's completely [TS]

  static it's a very long film some of the [TS]

  performances are good some of the [TS]

  performances are not good and I after [TS]

  about an hour i really wanted to turn it [TS]

  off [TS]

  so there you go i and i watched the [TS]

  whole thing but i found it unpleasant [TS]

  it's martin parts there are some good [TS]

  performances and i found maybe there was [TS]

  30 minutes that I appreciated in the two [TS]

  hours and 15 maybe [TS]

  yeah so you know I I don't like this [TS]

  movie I thought it was crappy I could I [TS]

  could totally cut it down by at least 45 [TS]

  minutes even even from some of the good [TS]

  scenes because because yea its to long [TS]

  yeah I could see liking this movie a lot [TS]

  more after seeing it three or four times [TS]

  where i actually knew what the hell they [TS]

  were saying and could actually [TS]

  appreciate the diary because I can [TS]

  understand half of it but i would not [TS]

  watch this a second time because I was [TS]

  frankly just kind of bored by what I [TS]

  would have said the density of it was [TS]

  overwhelming on one level and also made [TS]

  me realize there's all probably a lot of [TS]

  very good material here but I cannot [TS]

  take all of this in at once it's like I [TS]

  just couldn't sit there and take it all [TS]

  in so it's one of those things like [TS]

  should i watch this movie in 10 minutes [TS]

  installments because I would probably [TS]

  appreciate it a lot more if I just [TS]

  focused on it for 10 minutes and then [TS]

  walked away but with the actions don't [TS]

  help either [TS]

  no the accents are also all over the [TS]

  place to that's another thing about the [TS]

  play versus the movie where is now again [TS]

  because he opens it out you have these [TS]

  long you know establishing shots and you [TS]

  know to look we're on locators a beach [TS]

  in Wales and their dogs are dogs in the [TS]

  ferry dock great memory dogs [TS]

  the stage come on and but because the [TS]

  the play has to move and it doesn't have [TS]

  time for location shots it doesn't have [TS]

  time for you know walking in the long [TS]

  procession with the dogs [TS]

  lord I was making my old one yeah it is [TS]

  much tighter you know and and it allows [TS]

  you to focus on the language and it [TS]

  tells the it gives you all the setup for [TS]

  everything much quicker and much sharper [TS]

  so that you're not having to wait 30 [TS]

  minutes 44 katharine hepburn to show up [TS]

  she's in like the second scene theater [TS]

  is static because it's on a stage and [TS]

  yet they can move things around on the [TS]

  stage but you sit in your seat and you [TS]

  are the director essentially and and the [TS]

  and the staging can draw your attention [TS]

  where it needs to be and and I feel like [TS]

  I felt abandoned in the way this movie [TS]

  is shot that it's not shot like one shot [TS]

  of just a stage right there are these [TS]

  long single shots but you you feel you [TS]

  have those moments where like wow I I'd [TS]

  almost rather you be telling me where to [TS]

  look now but instead I felt just kind of [TS]

  completely abandoned and in theater i'm [TS]

  in the mode where I'm like okay I'm [TS]

  going to be surveying the scene and [TS]

  looking around and working with the [TS]

  actors and the director they're going to [TS]

  be trying to draw my attention to places [TS]

  and whereas in film it was like yeah [TS]

  we're we're not gonna bother [TS]

  good luck and I it it really turned me [TS]

  off on that to which is the direction he [TS]

  reminds me a little bit of 1776 which [TS]

  also yeah i mean they basically just [TS]

  picked it up from the stage and drop [TS]

  down said okay we're gonna set the [TS]

  camera over here and maybe once in a [TS]

  while have one of those yearbook photo [TS]

  shots but otherwise you know we're just [TS]

  we're talking about your father's in the [TS]

  back short founding fathers in the front [TS]

  if this is the play and it looks like a [TS]

  play and that's about all the effort [TS]

  we're going to put into it and but but [TS]

  1776 had the benefit of being somewhat [TS]

  likable was fun yeah [TS]

  this did not and and so much of the [TS]

  direction of this i mean just in terms [TS]

  of the acting direction is very much [TS]

  oh play it like you're on the stage so [TS]

  it's a lot louder and and everyone is [TS]

  trying to legislate voices to match [TS]

  match show do tool time to get i come [TS]

  from a family with shoddy people in it [TS]

  so having a two-shot was no big deal [TS]

  because so that was actually par for the [TS]

  course a lot of family having is growing [TS]

  up but still pointed out when we walked [TS]

  doing the rewatching like oh my god he [TS]

  really does shadow [TS]

  lot yeah and and it's so much of it i [TS]

  mean again I really like O'Toole [TS]

  generally but he there couple points [TS]

  where he goes way overboard and and like [TS]

  when when she's taunting him in the bank [TS]

  and they had taken Peters I've their [TS]

  scars yeah and he just suddenly goes I [TS]

  just finishing off and so ya blue dial [TS]

  it down he starts to 10 and Gentile 20 [TS]

  yes in that peanut away where you just [TS]

  keep going like this [TS]

  yeah I recognize there are great [TS]

  performances in this katherine hepburn [TS]

  is fantastic chance yes [TS]

  yeah individual lines i think are [TS]

  fantastically funny I I I recognize that [TS]

  there's some great back-and-forth hear [TS]

  some very nice cutting lines and here [TS]

  and in the end I just didn't give a damn [TS]

  because these are all terrible people [TS]

  and I don't like any of the mouth [TS]

  they're all bastards i have no rooting [TS]

  interest in the end I rooting interest [TS]

  was I hope this ends like a Shakespeare [TS]

  tragedy [TS]

  everybody is dead yeah and everyone's [TS]

  lying in a puddle of blood on the floor [TS]

  except maybe Timothy Dalton you a lot of [TS]

  them do [TS]

  Jeffrey is getting the deal in a [TS]

  horseback-riding accident but i want to [TS]

  buy anything you want to see that [TS]

  montage where it's like the unavailable [TS]

  housewife little credit see ya said [TS]

  everybody started walking journey to [TS]

  buyer dead yet now the thing I i never [TS]

  understood the thing that vexes me to [TS]

  this day is Prince Jeffrey is obviously [TS]

  the one of the three of them with the [TS]

  best impulse control and the most states [TS]

  minecraft like mind and he has [TS]

  persistently passed over by both but [TS]

  yeah that was interesting is like they [TS]

  just straight up hated him from birth [TS]

  really happy because he's a dick [TS]

  the nice thing about this isn't real [TS]

  life prints Geoffrey took his [TS]

  magnificent brain and hired himself out [TS]

  to the French and worked actively [TS]

  against his father's interest for the [TS]

  rest of his short life until he was [TS]

  kicked in a horseback-riding accident [TS]

  Henry actually always loved him and he [TS]

  died yesterday I do like how all the [TS]

  characters call um although all the sons [TS]

  call Katherine Hepburn mommy mommy yes [TS]

  mommy [TS]

  I thought that was directorial choice [TS]

  that she was actually a mummy mental [TS]

  energy [TS]

  yes [TS]

  yeah what's the time difference about [TS]

  things like that Dan lots of times the [TS]

  second time I've seen this movie by the [TS]

  way I I so what I appreciate about the [TS]

  about this movie is that it is about [TS]

  Henry failing to accept his own morality [TS]

  mortality right he tries to control what [TS]

  happens after he's gone and he can't he [TS]

  just he can't do it and they're there is [TS]

  a great moment where he is talking to [TS]

  Katharine Hepburn about how he's going [TS]

  to get a an annulment and he's going to [TS]

  Mary Alice orale sir what is yeah and [TS]

  they're gonna have babies and and she's [TS]

  just sitting there like she's like wait [TS]

  for it he's gonna figure this out you [TS]

  know let's walk you through what's gonna [TS]

  happen is that your babies the babies [TS]

  are going to get killed by your grown [TS]

  sons and their the great line is what [TS]

  you want to have more sons you have [TS]

  plenty of Suns already yes that's just [TS]

  that's great game it's great because he [TS]

  he is completely misguided and trying as [TS]

  he is aging to put off death and control [TS]

  his family from beyond the grave and [TS]

  it's not gonna happen and that i really [TS]

  appreciate it and that he's also got [TS]

  he's not focused on I i think one of the [TS]

  things I sort of enjoy about him as a [TS]

  character is that he is not purely [TS]

  focused on the glory of being King right [TS]

  he is he a lot of what he talks about is [TS]

  looking yeah he is a lot of a talk about [TS]

  enthusiastically is like you know [TS]

  justice laws that kind of stuff right [TS]

  he's trying to maintain a piece [TS]

  he's trying to maintain stability right [TS]

  like Taiwan and he laid down the [TS]

  foundation for english cognac one of the [TS]

  greatest Kings they've ever had and so [TS]

  the point but it's not just I'm trying [TS]

  to ensure sort of my Legacy's like I'm [TS]

  trying to ensure the stability and like [TS]

  prosperity of my country of all that [TS]

  I've done to you know establish all of [TS]

  these various you know laws and things [TS]

  like that and so I think that you know [TS]

  he has a I think he has a noble [TS]

  intention [TS]

  unfortunately he's not very good at [TS]

  exercising that was also his pride [TS]

  getting in the way because he does have [TS]

  that vision and and clearly Richard or [TS]

  Jeffrey would be a better ruler but he [TS]

  wants John because Eleanor once Richard [TS]

  and it's sort of like [TS]

  well i'm going to pick the one I want [TS]

  I'm sorry I'm going to pick the one I [TS]

  want to tell you know they need to [TS]

  practice [TS]

  well one of the things that I that this [TS]

  movie could have benefited from that the [TS]

  plate alludes to from time to time to [TS]

  time is that Eleanor and Henry had a [TS]

  tremendous falling out when on Eleanor [TS]

  what one element when Henry took a [TS]

  mistress and he didn't just take Rosen [TS]

  Clifford and he didn't just take cookie [TS]

  had lots and lots of women but she was [TS]

  his mistress for 11 years switches [TS]

  serious tenure like in terms of kingly [TS]

  mistresses and he made indicated i heard [TS]

  from that well he made the mistake of [TS]

  moving her into Eleanor's apartments and [TS]

  telling Eleanor to stay in the country [TS]

  and given whoo Eleanor of Aquitaine was [TS]

  she was like she's like I really don't [TS]

  give a hoot you sleep with what I give a [TS]

  hoot about his he led into state graph [TS]

  because that's my that's my jam and that [TS]

  was when she was like all right children [TS]

  let's go to war against your father and [TS]

  so this whole rift comes from Henry not [TS]

  recognizing that Eleanor had always seen [TS]

  herself as an equal in terms of power [TS]

  statecraft and most importantly war like [TS]

  this is a dude who forgot that she [TS]

  divorced her first husband because he [TS]

  was insufficiently warmongering but will [TS]

  heat she did ok well yeah because it [TS]

  comes down to the crusade she wanted to [TS]

  legitimately like terrorizing conquer [TS]

  most of the land leading to Jerusalem [TS]

  has was like no no we're we're here to [TS]

  legitimately convert people just like [TS]

  the other hand and he's like a moment [TS]

  that's all interesting stuff it's a pity [TS]

  none of it was in the movie that we are [TS]

  authorised you have to say I think the [TS]

  center club this movie is that [TS]

  everything Lisa said is interesting and [TS]

  not in the movie [TS]

  yeah like and this is the things i think [TS]

  the movie would have benefited a little [TS]

  bit more if you had all that subtext and [TS]

  shading and you understood that [TS]

  Eleanor's not merely being uppity or [TS]

  scored wife Eleanor is a legitimate [TS]

  monarch and Henry made a big tactical [TS]

  error and has been paying the price ever [TS]

  since I was a little irritated that I [TS]

  had to spend 20 minutes on wikipedia [TS]

  before it could actually watch the show [TS]

  and all these people played a very [TS]

  clearly from the top when when in the [TS]

  first scene [TS]

  Peter O'Toole makes a reference to King [TS]

  Lear you know this is a this is a family [TS]

  drama is a nap not actually really about [TS]

  history at all [TS]

  I mean it the fact that these people [TS]

  share circumstances and character and [TS]

  and names with historical figures is [TS]

  kind of passing at best [TS]

  I don't know i think what is actually I [TS]

  think end of this there is a there's a [TS]

  coming to peace between Henry and [TS]

  Eleanor a little bit you will you you [TS]

  get the feeling that's been a game the [TS]

  whole time [TS]

  yeah I feel like this is their regular [TS]

  Christmas Eve thing you know that this [TS]

  is a different religion or wait guys see [TS]

  you again next Christmas i think what [TS]

  this movie shows you is at the beginning [TS]

  of Henry's like yeah whatever the [TS]

  statecraft this is owner huh [TS]

  God and over the course of the movie as [TS]

  they play chess with their children and [TS]

  with his mistress [TS]

  um by the end of it they basically we [TS]

  discovered why they love each other but [TS]

  circumstances in history as such where [TS]

  their books secretly super crazy about [TS]

  each other but they can't back down and [TS]

  to me that's the answer that's the most [TS]

  interesting thing about it is by the end [TS]

  of it you can see that they're never [TS]

  going to let each other go and they had [TS]

  their resigned to it and it's a really [TS]

  happy sort of resignation because it's [TS]

  like if I had nothing else in this world [TS]

  i have been the object of passion and [TS]

  intense energy from this person who was [TS]

  like this crazy conquering genius you [TS]

  know and it gratifies your egos and it [TS]

  feeds something in them the next best [TS]

  thing to having a spouse is having a [TS]

  nemesis whereas I didn't care either way [TS]

  because they're both bastard [TS]

  yeah well the one thing i do like in [TS]

  this is how that there is that [TS]

  realization that people did not live [TS]

  very long [TS]

  no in this period you know he has the [TS]

  line i'm 50 now good god I'm the oldest [TS]

  High Line only got ten years of the [TS]

  problem I could kick and I can rule [TS]

  France [TS]

  mm I feel like someone should do a [TS]

  podcast so sort solely screaming Peter [TS]

  O'Toole on it he podcast with o2 [TS]

  holberton in your Terrace is so cool so [TS]

  I i well I appreciate the theatricality [TS]

  of that scene where Katherine Hepburn [TS]

  peter o'toole are talking and it goes [TS]

  from them being really spatel to each [TS]

  other to the tender moment where they [TS]

  exchange a kiss to them being totally [TS]

  hateful to each other again I appreciate [TS]

  the structure of it [TS]

  and the theatricality of like i said and [TS]

  the performances of it at the same time [TS]

  as Steve said uh III didn't really [TS]

  appreciate it in terms of uh anything [TS]

  remotely resembling what human beings [TS]

  would actually do and so I just was like [TS]

  yeah whatever [TS]

  and again I just had a whole lot of boy [TS]

  that must be really tough to be the king [TS]

  of many countries [TS]

  yeah that's what that's a hard life you [TS]

  got there so I i don't know i just i I [TS]

  never felt the connection with these [TS]

  characters i thought it was a lot of [TS]

  clever word play by a writer I felt like [TS]

  I was watching writer write not dialogue [TS]

  that was being acted by good actors and [TS]

  that was it [TS]

  in the end there was a scene with beds [TS]

  and tapestries and many things got said [TS]

  and that was pretty much that's what [TS]

  tapestries are forced yeah [TS]

  yes everyone's having attacked was the [TS]

  original let's make a deal what's behind [TS]

  tapestry number one it's your son won't [TS]

  miss King James remember to also your [TS]

  self your site still your son but part [TS]

  of the problem for me i don't i don't [TS]

  necessarily have a problem seeing people [TS]

  be awful to each other on screen what [TS]

  bothered me a little bit was that it [TS]

  just seems like what was all the [TS]

  back-and-forth was like mine game after [TS]

  mine game is turn one way and then the [TS]

  other and then the other and I never had [TS]

  a clue which one of those was the actual [TS]

  point of view or the actual around [TS]

  whatever it was that the character was [TS]

  trying to get at [TS]

  so II did you get it was it was not only [TS]

  hard to follow but it was hard to care [TS]

  because it just seemed like they were [TS]

  screwing with each other for no reason [TS]

  yes it's called family see yeah that was [TS]

  pretty much it is that for Henry and [TS]

  Eleanor sometimes that well actually in [TS]

  many cases there was a point there's a [TS]

  great scene where Henry basically tells [TS]

  Philip you've told me everything I've [TS]

  told you nothing this is how it's done [TS]

  yeah but I think when it comes to Henry [TS]

  and Eleanor screwing with the other [TS]

  person is the point like if they if they [TS]

  get anything out of it that's a bonus [TS]

  but for all of these people it was just [TS]

  I'm going to score points because I can [TS]

  because I can it's like when your kid [TS]

  nick backseat of the car and you you [TS]

  know maybe you try to irritate your [TS]

  brother as much as possible just to see [TS]

  if [TS]

  what you can get away with yeah wow yeah [TS]

  don't I don't I don't find that [TS]

  entertaining at all as a viewer you know [TS]

  i-i-i I could see that them attacking [TS]

  each other in various ways i wanted to [TS]

  know which one was the real character [TS]

  today really is this tender moment the [TS]

  real Eleanor and Henry or is that just [TS]

  another step on their pathway of [TS]

  university hanging that Henry scene with [TS]

  the Henry scene with Philip actually [TS]

  come to think of it as a little bit like [TS]

  the Wallace Shawn seen from princess [TS]

  bride you've told me everything [TS]

  it's sad but I think my favorite scene [TS]

  in wide shots of people in livestock [TS]

  walking in lyons the movie is haha is [TS]

  probably the fight between the two [TS]

  guards down in the castle yeah I really [TS]

  cares about that one yeah you always see [TS]

  these these wonderfully choreographed [TS]

  fast-action fights coming guys in chain [TS]

  mail and this is probably a heck of a [TS]

  lot more like it actually would hold [TS]

  down this guys just sort of stumbling [TS]

  around and feebly attempting to jab each [TS]

  other [TS]

  drop your sword and then stabbed a knife [TS]

  with your dagger there is so many [TS]

  everybody's got a lawyer this like a [TS]

  quick cut from close up to close up [TS]

  where they don't match in your trunk and [TS]

  add when did they move what does a [TS]

  gentleman [TS]

  yeah how did their faces change [TS]

  expression that fast and and some of the [TS]

  expressions are are like silent movie [TS]

  mugging to the back of the theaters like [TS]

  what are you doing man and I say this [TS]

  with a movie that I kinda like but man [TS]

  oh I would love to know more about the [TS]

  direction of like just pretend to play [TS]

  like okay will be pleased we know those [TS]

  not like your newfangled moving picture [TS]

  that's the thing about this is it's not [TS]

  like movies were a really new media at [TS]

  this point but now because because Lisa [TS]

  and I once watched the the lives of [TS]

  Henry VIII 80 was a really early movie [TS]

  that kinda define the direction British [TS]

  cinema took with a man caster hassle [TS]

  when caster and charles laughton and and [TS]

  you want to talk about movies where [TS]

  they're just trying to figure out how [TS]

  movies work that is that is that movie [TS]

  but is [TS]

  and it is so far advanced over the lion [TS]

  in winter terms of how to compose a shot [TS]

  and how to frame a narrative and tell a [TS]

  story on film and it's like he's he was [TS]

  an editor the director and yeah he's a [TS]

  really great editor to jersey edited dr. [TS]

  Strangelove and the spinal it's cold [TS]

  do you think there's a possibility that [TS]

  the actors just ran roughshod over him [TS]

  because I think that's very was a [TS]

  possibility because apparently he [TS]

  doesn't like Peter O'Toole shout that [TS]

  much if you're the same person [TS]

  katharine hepburn apparently spent most [TS]

  of our time on the set and moshing Peter [TS]

  O'Toole and the SME Hopkins showing up [TS]

  half in the bag that up that's and it [TS]

  shows that is very funny i'm not from [TS]

  jaw drop this yeah it's nice having [TS]

  Hopkins first roll it was yeah its first [TS]

  world a little brash and it's showing [TS]

  unloaded that shows now he spent most of [TS]

  the it wasn't until about the 77 days [TS]

  got got so yeah Phil what else should we [TS]

  talk about about the line and winter and [TS]

  companies hot talk it out I i think i [TS]

  think we are pretty much Lisa loves the [TS]

  movie [TS]

  David and I kind of like it why are you [TS]

  guys [TS]

  I mean I'm in the middle of and then and [TS]

  then and then Morgan likes bits of it [TS]

  and I you and Steve the hated with the [TS]

  fire of a thousand suns left and that's [TS]

  where we're like a family squabbling on [TS]

  Christmas you two in the wine cellar [TS]

  right now [TS]

  you stink you're a stinker I honestly [TS]

  felt like I was um that it was a setup [TS]

  because I I was not aware exactly of how [TS]

  little this had to do with anything [TS]

  regarding regarding the holidays and so [TS]

  part of my reaction too was like okay I [TS]

  I've been had by phillip michael it's [TS]

  just out that Howard that's how it's [TS]

  gonna be [TS]

  but I place i believe this is in the [TS]

  holiday vol.2 yeah well yeah didn't make [TS]

  a deal for aqua teen we can overthrow [TS]

  Jason is the host of this party is at [TS]

  this point I think he would give it over [TS]

  all we have to do is ask [TS]

  I would have you all stabbed in your [TS]

  sleep you throw in the dungeon you could [TS]

  just step to sleep it would've been [TS]

  faster I'm [TS]

  the fighting you for god sakes pay [TS]

  attention excuse me I've got to go back [TS]

  up onto the roof of the castle and shout [TS]

  and jump around you know that I know [TS]

  that he knows that we know that we're [TS]

  very knowledgeable podcasts and then and [TS]

  then curl up into a fetal ball while the [TS]

  horns kick in [TS]

  I'll collapse into a heap and the camera [TS]

  will pan out so Jason your score is both [TS]

  devastating and hilarious monk I'm [TS]

  really on a parapet did he die [TS]

  I was I thought I was worried that this [TS]

  is a strange way for the Midwest to [TS]

  resolve that Bureau tools just goes on [TS]

  the roof goes mad and dies and that's [TS]

  the end it later I thought he was going [TS]

  to die again and he didn't die then [TS]

  either anyway yeah it's a well it's like [TS]

  I said like i said earlier i feel like [TS]

  the dialogue is is to be appreciated and [TS]

  that if i had watched in short bits but [TS]

  the way that the film makes no effort to [TS]

  drag viewer along with it because it is [TS]

  poorly directed from a from a visual [TS]

  standpoint perhaps from acting and the [TS]

  the rhythm of the dialogue perhaps it's [TS]

  a it's a competent directing job but as [TS]

  a film direction i think it's a it's [TS]

  piss-poor so there you go [TS]

  yeah it's a very it's a very poorly [TS]

  directed by and that makes it feel like [TS]

  it's so proud of itself that didn't even [TS]

  have to bother [TS]

  yeah well we only got this is a pristine [TS]

  people love this dialogue screw the rest [TS]

  of it yeah yeah well hold the better to [TS]

  read actors it's a Broadway hit toon [TS]

  it'll be it'll be fine you know it's [TS]

  like no no it's it could've been really [TS]

  good so what you're saying is it's [TS]

  basically a British kevin smith film [TS]

  where it's all about the dialogue there [TS]

  is no visual artistry whatsoever [TS]

  well you have jay and silent bob hiding [TS]

  behind one of the curtains in the French [TS]

  exactly this is why you have a [TS]

  comprehensive tapestry policy of always [TS]

  stabbing wildly every task for your [TS]

  running to just obvious hard a lot to us [TS]

  about the tapestries you know if [TS]

  dungeons and dragons is not taught us [TS]

  anything it is that you must search the [TS]

  room completely including behind [TS]

  hydrogen mysteries yet at least three or [TS]

  four times and be afraid of be afraid of [TS]

  statues you can really sure what's [TS]

  behind the tapestry and tell you that at [TS]

  least six or seven times check the [TS]

  Polonius doctrine is a really good love [TS]

  them [TS]

  by the way already I like that one I'm [TS]

  hiring people to analyze all your future [TS]

  selections before I know haha are you [TS]

  stripping me of my powers are you [TS]

  sending me off to a castle to live in [TS]

  disgrace for 10 years before I allow on [TS]

  the show again do you think will another [TS]

  will never die I hope so i'd love that [TS]

  one [TS]

  I never get the ending of them like what [TS]

  why are they waving at each other why is [TS]

  he laughing because I'm gonna do it [TS]

  again next year little business together [TS]

  feel alive and young and this gives them [TS]

  hope you can be because they're [TS]

  basically an unstoppable power couple [TS]

  they just let some really unfortunate [TS]

  circumstances name roslyn and a couple [TS]

  over throw attempts getting away [TS]

  the film is over i can go drink or are [TS]

  we to assume that the boys escape off [TS]

  into the wild somewhere or do they just [TS]

  disappear into the castle and everything [TS]

  is like that the 30-minute sitcom [TS]

  episode is over and we're back to square [TS]

  one just hiding behind tapestries all [TS]

  the time [TS]

  what shall we do tonight Richard the [TS]

  same thing we do every night try to [TS]

  overthrow the king talents and on that [TS]

  note I'm going to thank my guests and [TS]

  close up this edition of the old movie [TS]

  club / holiday movie club / movies that [TS]

  are set at the holidays but not actually [TS]

  holiday movie club club doesn't take [TS]

  something like that i would like to [TS]

  thank my guests stanmore and thank you [TS]

  for being here when the fall is all [TS]

  there is [TS]

  Jason it matters fair enough [TS]

  Steve let's thank you for being here I [TS]

  you're very welcome Jason obviously the [TS]

  people who like the line and winter are [TS]

  crazy but maybe they're only a little [TS]

  crazy like painters or composers or some [TS]

  of those men in Washington rel outside [TS]

  David Laura thank you all all i want for [TS]

  christmas is to be king of the Pope's so [TS]

  yeah crazy Lisa Schmeisser thank you [TS]

  very much i know you know I know I know [TS]

  you know I know we have girls and Henry [TS]

  knows we know where a knowledgeable [TS]

  family [TS]

  oh and Phillip Michaels thank you very [TS]

  much [TS]

  I apologize for nothing you [TS]

  son-of-a-bitch [TS]

  my boys are gone i lost my boys so I am [TS]

  not in the habit of substituting [TS]

  experience holiday and on that note i [TS]

  will thank everybody for listening [TS]

  maybe we'll talk about Star Wars next [TS]

  week [TS]

  this year the incomparable has been [TS]

  brought to you by you [TS]

  thank you for listening we really [TS]

  appreciate it we're putting together our [TS]

  best of the year episode and if you have [TS]

  any suggestions please send them to [TS]

  podcast at the incomparable dot-com your [TS]

  favorite stuff we've done this year so [TS]

  that we can put it on our special [TS]

  end-of-the-year episode thanks [TS]