180: Locked-Shower Mystery
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the comparable number 280 December 2015
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welcome to this the fourth i believe
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episode of the star wars incomparable
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series of spectacular series of amazing
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this i don't even know so I'm your host
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Raeleen some standing in for Jason I'm
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because one can only talk about Star
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Wars so much i am joined today by the
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lovely voices you heard while people are
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attached to those voices elisa
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Schmeisser welcome to the show
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I'm so happy to be here me to Erica
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inside welcome thank you so much i am
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last but certainly not least mr. David
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and so is our first topic of the night
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kylo Ren's hair or is it kylo Ren's hair
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my mind Laurens hair haha actually so
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it's amazing like well actually this is
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really unfair um I'm sorry I've just
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been so excited to talk to somebody
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about his hair for days now I've been
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sitting on an important but i guess i
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need to find a picture of him because i
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did not even notice his hair what he's
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got this here it blends into his state
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under God to get something like that
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that the helmet he where should be sold
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to children under the product name vo5
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that's how insanely well-conditioned his
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hair is in this it's just this big
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luxurious it's anyway um I I maybe I i
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may just a real estate before we started
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this thing um maybe the way to start off
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with this is to talk about what you may
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or may not have been expecting and how
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we manage our emotions going into this
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and what the experience of watching it
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for the first time was like and what you
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have been chewing on since you left the
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yeah i think that sounds great i was
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gonna ask for opening statements so
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that's salisa why don't you start sure
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I'm i saw on saturday with my local nerd
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posse and we got there an hour ahead of
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time there is still a very very long
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and going into it I had tried i had
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basically got off the internet like 30
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but once the months the movie premiered
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I got off the internet and said I didn't
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want to be spoiled
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I didn't want to be inadvertently
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spoiled like I knew what the name of
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some of the characters were and had a
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rough approximation of all things a
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stormtrooper whatever but I didn't want
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to know any plot twists and so you know
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off the internet for 36 hours reading
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home design books and we go inside and i
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have to admit i like the minute that the
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kraal started at the exact same angle
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and the music comes up and you see the
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field of stars like I'm alone I was
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applauding along with everyone else in
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the theater and I let out this breath i
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had been on where i was holding and as
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the whole movie unfolded I was like this
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feels very familiar and at some point in
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the middle of movies like I really don't
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be J Andrews because who wants to be
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handed this huge franchise along with ok
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get a whole new generation excited and
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involved in a way they haven't been
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before but try not to irritate the
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people who spent the last 35 years of
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their lives being emotionally invested
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in the you know the stuff that came out
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in the seventies and by the time the
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movie was done and we got the theater ho
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my god he did it he did but I'm so
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relieved that could have been really bad
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and it was entertaining and i do want to
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see it again because i want to see the
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stuff i miss and huh
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and like any year where I was really let
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down by avengers age of ultron and I've
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had to reckon with my feelings about the
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marble franchise to come back to the
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franchise that I legitimately like
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kickstart kick-started like my sense of
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self is up as a kindergartner even like
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to come back to that and to see somebody
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who is pushing it in new directions
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while remember what made it fun in the
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oh my god it was such a sense of relief
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yeah yeah I I'm on board
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David what about you well before I say
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anything else about it i should say that
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I loved it great time but oh god I loved
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it but I loved it but I went to see it
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thursday night 8pm first showing in the
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area took the boys my wife did not want
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she's been the star wars fan in the
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family all this time but she did not
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want to see it yeah and we went in and
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you know we watched it and I was I was
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surprised it was not packed it was full
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it was more full than I thought it was
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going to be by the time the movie
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started because when we got there was
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deserted like oh ok we got here really
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early and the boys were great you know
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we watch the movie and the whole time
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I'm with it and and I thought he did a
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great job working Spock into there and
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you know that was tough but I i did you
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just say Spock is this lady Ashley don't
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encourage it doesn't encourage him
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don't encourage him well I mean JJ spent
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two movies trying to turn Jim Kirk into
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luke skywalker so you know this is what
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he's been meant to do and and and that
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might give away that I'm not a huge fan
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this is the best thing I think he's done
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he did a great job with it and and yeah
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it is a daunting thing to have to take
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over and be the first person to do this
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not just not just that you're doing a
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Star Wars film but the first one who
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isn't like blessed by George Lucas
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however I thought there were a little
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too many repetitious plot threads and it
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was you know I appreciate fanservice
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some of that was okay I appreciate
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echoes and resonances and and all that
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and that's great and it is it is grand
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mythic saga storytelling that's fine but
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the only things that really worked for
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me in the movie where the things that
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were completely new that were unusual
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that surprised me that I didn't say oh
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well I know what's going to happen next
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everything where I started to see
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residences I was like okay I know what's
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gonna happen next and hopefully he's
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going to surprise me and not one study
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so you know but i loved it was a great
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ride the whole time and after having
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seen the prequels in the theater this
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was redemptive this was Star Wars again
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so I'm okay with that you know I'm
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waiting to see if the next two are gonna
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yeah I should hope so Erica what about
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you why just first of all I want to say
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David you have like a superpower of
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being able to tell where things are
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going and i'm not talking about how many
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times you have just known the entire
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plot of what you're watching from the
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beginning so I really don't think that
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your assessment is is one that should be
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it should be judged without knowing that
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piece of information i should say part
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of why my wife didn't want to see it is
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because as soon as Harrison Ford was
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cast she knew exactly what was gonna
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happen and she knew exactly who the
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villain was and she's not a writer so
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when I came out and she goes well and I
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yep that was it so it wasn't even like
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oh well this is how much screen time he
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has this is don't know it was just the
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fact that he was cast in it that's it i
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have seen it twice now the first time I
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thought was a Thursday night and you
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know completely full theater and then
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the second time was sunday night in
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another theory that was pretty much
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so so yeah I loved it enough to to go
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and see it a second time I think the
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second time i watched it I enjoyed it
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more simply because i was so nervous the
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first time just because I was you know I
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was worried that it wasn't going to be
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good and I don't have the same quite the
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same like childhood connection to star
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wars that a lot of people do but I think
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I was more worried about it just for my
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friends sakes because you know we're
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deeply deeply invested in it and I was
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worried it was gonna suck and they were
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going to be crushed and I don't want my
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friends to ever be sad because that's
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just that's how i roll so the second
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time i was able to just kind of relax
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and take it in a little bit more than
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what than the first time and I i really
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enjoyed all of it and this is coming
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from someone who knows a lot about the
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star wars universe and likes it a lot
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but doesn't feel the same way about it
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the kind of everybody else does
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I mean I love the original trilogy but i
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also love the Phantom Menace so we're
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going to know if you are interested in
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why I'm not going to go into it here
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because this is not the time or the
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listen to episode 10 of unjustly
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on the incomparable network nice cross
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roll motion that was wonderful yeah well
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and that was my thing I mean I i did I
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grew up with it but it wasn't I mean I
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was always the star trek fan
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this was the thing I liked right but my
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wife was always the huge fan and she
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didn't want to see this night and I said
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is because of the prequels she said no
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when she was younger she was not you
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know fairytale princess and all that she
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was not that kind of girl
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Star Wars was her fairytale and I think
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it's safe to say that if people have
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listened to this mini and incomparables
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about this movie we don't have to worry
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about the spoiler horn basis you know I
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was gonna say this is tyler episode just
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take that for granted everyone
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so basically you know it the the thought
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of han and Leia having you know been
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estranged for many years and their child
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is on the dark side and all this like no
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she didn't want to see that all she does
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not want to see this movie even now even
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knowing even even when I said you know
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all the rest of it is really cool and it
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worked i love the new characters really
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not interested don't want to see I'm
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going through a midlife crisis stuff I
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don't want to see that in my favorite
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movie couple ever
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no I can totally I can totally
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sympathize with that is jarring to see
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the characters that you identified with
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who have entered your own personal
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headcanon fixing a certain spic plates
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in space and time it's jarring to see
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the main and and and the mortality and
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you know being a parent now and seeing
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these was you know that hit me which I
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was not expecting yeah I am I grew up
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with him so I was the story i've been
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telling to people is and I was seven
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months old when Return of the Jedi came
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out the whole God my mind sorry did you
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shrink down in your seat to just then
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no I'm reaching for the fish all the
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lubricant by joint so that this burning
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jeredy yeah yeah yeah so I was seven
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months old in Return of the Jedi came
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out and my mom went to see the theater
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everyone to see that the theater and she
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took me with her because she didn't have
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a babysitter so return of the jedi was
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my first movie and I remember when I was
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very very little like watching watching
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and mom being like no look at the teddy
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bears like watch the teddy bears and so
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I don't have the hatred for for the the
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he walks as many nerds do and because
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that was like my gateway into Star Wars
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and its kind of always been a lot like
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Star Trek it's always kind of been in
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the background of my life like it's just
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something I've always taken for granted
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because it's always been there and I
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didn't let myself think about the force
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awakens until we were in the theater
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my husband was like are you excited I'm
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like no I'm managing expectations are
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you excited yet no I'm not thinking
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you my expectations and I cried I cried
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like four times during the movie
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I cried when when the opening crawl
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started i like because I totally see
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David what you're saying about like the
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fanservice but for me that hit all the
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right notes that was like my my pat on
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the back from JJ he totally has has
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destroyed star trek for me that was my
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pad on the bag like it it's okay this is
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for you I understand where you're coming
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from and who you are that was you know
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and and even though the second time i
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watched I was like okay some of these
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Han and Chewie exchanges maybe you know
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we could do without but you know it was
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still like that reassuring like this is
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okay and I think that's why they're in
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there and and I i didn't really mind
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those it was it was purely the the plot
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elements that were slavish Lee
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duplicated like just no style
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ok you are going to have to debate this
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a little bit and well because my overall
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theory theory of Star Wars it's two
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thoughts star trek theory of track
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sounds much cooler at the whole point of
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Star Wars it's even and universe to it's
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an epic cycle and the worry and the way
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I saw the reason I saw so many
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intentional parallels between episode 4
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episode 7 was to prime the audience for
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the fact that the same struggle is
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happening and it's just as a new
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generation that's picked it up and the
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dramatics takes that we have in this
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iteration of the cycle the questions are
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will we see history repeat itself is the
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cycle unchanging or can people do things
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that permanently alter the the
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permanently alter that the circuit of
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events that's good that's going to come
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around totally and you know and and i
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like that they made Han Solo the Ben
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Kenobi figure I'm not ice
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I love that and what I really love about
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that is when he came on and using a
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swashbuckling but my first snipe that
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was Oh Harrison Ford's just too old to
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pull this off and then I realized that
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what they were doing is this is a dude
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going through the motions and falling
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back on unhealthy coping mechanisms
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because something so big and so bad
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happened that it probably broke him and
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his capacity to believe in himself as a
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better man and like once I started and
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then once i looked at the performance
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that way like it made a lot more sense
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and I was a lot less irritated with the
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initial hump presentation and so I I'd
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like the parallels I like that layer or
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Ghana has gone from being this 19 year
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old upstart to you know this this really
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tired general and I like that we're
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already seeing variations on the theme
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on the NSA my cycle because you have
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somebody you know like the baddies mom
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something that's happened in the
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Skywalker's a woman this time around
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like I can't even begin to talk about
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like how powerful and moving that is to
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me and i also like that we're seeing
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more fleshed-out elements of what it's
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like to live under the the Empire and I
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think these are like little plot too
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many clues that this iteration of the
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cycle is going to be slightly different
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directions but you are going to have to
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expect things like a warped train or
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trainer mentee dynamic family issues
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working themselves out
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you know stuff like that I i should i
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should say I'd all of that is exactly
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I'm a hundred percent with you it is
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literally the mechanical plot elements
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of they have to destroy it's like okay
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if the Death Star didn't work twice then
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let's just build a gigantic version of
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it with the same problem with the same
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with the same kind of flaw to it
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yeah and you know let's let's hide a
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little piece of information in a droid
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ok let's go to the same kind of high of
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it's ok to do other things along the way
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the grand the grand parts of it were
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it's you look at the elements though
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like finding that piece of hidden
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information is always part of any
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narrative quest and the fact that like
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it obviously worked for Princess Leia so
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like why wouldn't this be part of the
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Rebel playbook right i mean i said
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like something that Luke would totally
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do be like you know he's a little bit
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sentimental as he's going away
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why not do exactly that and building a
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death building like a planet star
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whatever you want to call it sucks the
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energy out of the Sun because hand-wave
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hand-wave hand wave like this is exactly
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what you would expect nazi general
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weasley to come up with because this is
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the Empire and they can't believe they
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can win they can't be so they can't put
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the thing is do you really think the
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Empire like is filled with scientists
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are like we're going to disrupt the
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paradigm of planet blower-upper thing is
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like like there's no silicon valley in
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the Empire it's just not that's
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generally that just they tried to
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improve upon their model and instead of
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instead of building a new one they used
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a planet to create one and let's just
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yeah I ever and it wasn't like there it
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was not like there was you know an open
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hole that somebody could fly into and
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just shoot it let's let's let's be fair
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they're actually had to send a squad and
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it took more than one shot and one ship
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was yeah as a matter of fact that all of
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those shots that didn't work at all what
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it took was the people are physically
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sneaking inside blowing it up from the
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inside which created a new hole that
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they were then able to to to use to get
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in there and blow it up so it was the
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only reason a an x-wing was able to get
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in there and blow it up is because on
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solo had done the work first right well
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in and speaking of resonance and you
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know one of the things I worried about
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when when the movie started and so
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they're estranged and all that was the
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thought that well you know the journey
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he went on in the first trilogy where
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he's kind of redeemed from being the
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scruffy smuggler type
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well that's all out the window but with
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a dove they did a beautiful job of
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actually carrying it forward and
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implausibly going ok this is where he
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would be if this happened and not only
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that he's not really the scruffy stuck
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smuggler anymore i almost said scruffy
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snuggler which everybody i think is that
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for a while to me was always yeah that
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happened and but you know it is sort of
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the resonance of that final moment on
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the bridge right we're now it's echoing
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that moment where Ben and Darth Vader or
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fighting the Death Star and they're all
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watching that happen right and and he's
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the one is like my kid we just gotta go
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no now but now he's the one who's not
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only making it happen he's the one
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stepping forward he is literally been in
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exactly which is beautiful you had that
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whole thing that's you know I can I can
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forgive all the other plot mechanics
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just because that was so nicely done and
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and it carried his protagonist journey
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to its proper our conclusion was just
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I knew that was gonna happen like I knew
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he was gonna die when they embarked upon
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the rescue mission right when it was
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chewy and hot and and Finn going into
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the base I was like yeah he's he's gonna
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die because he he's obviously been right
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well he spent the whole movie saying hey
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this is great tomorrow is my my
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retirement this is your last day of work
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of course yeah there's also too much of
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him in there for him to be back for more
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movies you know that but like so I spent
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that whole time they were on the base
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just like okay he's gonna die when is it
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going to happen when is it can happen
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like when it like I was just waiting for
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him to die like that whole time I kind
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I'd forgotten about it by that time but
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the the moment that I figured out that
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Han Solo was going to die was actually
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when I was listening to the incomparable
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episode where Jason and red and John and
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Danny were talking about their
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excitement for the movie and like their
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expectations the spoiler free one not
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talking about a trailer and serenity was
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saying how she was was really excited
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for this film and the thing that made
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her get her hopes up the most was seeing
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Harrison Ford be interviewed about it
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and how he's such a notorious grump in
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interviews and he actually seemed kind
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of enthusiastic and a little bit jazzed
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about this film and she thought if this
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is enough for Harrison Ford to be you
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know kind of smiling and enthusiastic
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and having fun with it that means it's
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probably a really good movie and in my
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head I'm going know that means his
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character is going to die he's a giant
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grumpy troll and he's just sitting there
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on the stage thinking haha guys you're
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gonna have to watch me die and it's just
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relieved you start with the franchise
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now we don't I don't
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to come back for two more exactly yeah
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but that it was I liked that there were
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all of those echoes because um and and I
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I can't remember Lupita's character's
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name and the possible as mom as cannot
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mass cannot thank you cannot i have
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you're always gonna find watering holes
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in frontiers I mean I get that we had
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the Tatooine thing with the wretched
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hive of scum and villainy and you meet
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han Solo there and so on and so forth
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but this is one of the things I've
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always appreciated i like the trading
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posts i love seeing cloud city in the
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but the last iteration of the cycle for
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example i actually think that was one
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thing that was kind of missing from
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episodes 123 was all the cultures were
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so siloed and the Jedi seem to be you
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know the only ones that come to move
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around i like the idea that you do have
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these shifting you do have these places
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that after shifting borderlands where
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course that's where Han Solo that's what
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console is gonna he's gonna find another
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yeah that's right he's gonna know where
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they are it's a place to exchange
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information six place to be well it's
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supposed to get lost it's a place to
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find something you're looking for but
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what I loved about this one was it felt
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so timeless I mean you have that statue
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up there which which gave the impression
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of of great age as it were
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he did say she'd run it for a thousand
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years exactly and then you all those
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banners and whether or not it was
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intentional as kind of a guide invited
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to it and I like entrust that character
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as well i'm a sucker for mortal
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bartenders i guess and method I i was
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also getting kind of a Marion Ravenwood
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vibe to it's like that's like her place
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and raiders I like the whole well this
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works for these cultures so you know
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we're going to go back and we're gonna
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finally blown up all that we've blown up
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all the Jacen and Jaina Skywalker pink
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get whatever business that that Lucas
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with the twins and and all that you know
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we blow up all this stuff that you nerds
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have considered continuity for years and
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we're starting fresh but i like that it
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seems like there's a lot of really rich
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cultural texture that they're they're
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pulling into it the same way I'm kind of
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fascinated by the thriving scavenger
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business that's going on Jacko like the
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fact that the Empire doesn't come back
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to clean up or salvage any way shape or
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I find that really interesting and weird
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and I really this is their way of doing
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the salvage I mean they very very likely
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could be the ones you know the first
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order that are buying all of those parts
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off of the merchants who are selling you
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know buying it with bread and now
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because i'm wondering why you wouldn't
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just you know send all those are all
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children of their stealing from other
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cultures in turning into stormtroopers
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why you wouldn't just do like if you can
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ascend pushing a broom as a sanitation
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engineer in a facility could certainly
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have these dudes trippin around the trip
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around that's necessarily I mean they
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may have lost a good chunk of their of
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well they want a big-ass rocking into
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very true so I mean I think it's
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probably the priorities are keeping
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things set on under their new Starkiller
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base as opposed to you you know
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scavenging parts that may or may not
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even be useful i am just who leaves its
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small child on a planet like that I want
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to find out the like I like that they're
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enraged to questions that are bugging me
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and he it was Lou he's not supposed to
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have kids like this is how we got-we
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we've gotten three generations of
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skywalker DNA monkeying with the
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universe's is that one of them couldn't
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keep his pants maybe I don't know I feel
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like that the loop thing is a little eat
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that's a little too i think so too yeah
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first that's without my first I was like
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all it's obvious but then actually then
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Stephen my husband was pointing out to
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me that in that very last scene where
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it's it's just the two of them and
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they're not speaking he's not actually
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looking at ray he's looking at the
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lightsaber that his daughter he would
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not be looking at the lightsaber yeah
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yeah maybe she's a Kenobi
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mm well interested that's the raises the
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question did obi-wan Kenobi bother
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sticking to the Jedi Code after he ran
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oh god no i mean like you had a girl
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having a backwater and I board but let's
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talk about Ray because she is
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I mean I'm sure that other panels talked
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about her but whatever we're gonna do it
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because i have enough to be squeezed
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right of any right or no
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over and over again so we've got this
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little girl we get like this very brief
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glance of her backstory and other than
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seeing her be amazing like taking things
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apart exploring the desert inn in an
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effort to take things apart and we have
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some hints that are past like she's able
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to pilot she knows about the
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modifications made to the more the the
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Falcon so like obviously she's i know i
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don't know there's like something
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happening there and she's really complex
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and really really awesome
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she uh gosh i love her so much as a
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character yeah i might might you know we
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have the thing of you know why aren't
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there any action figures of rain why are
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they all the men why why does the
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multipack like all the men and then like
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an extra tie fighter pilot why isn't ray
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in there instead of a TIE fighter pilot
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right here and and mine mine goes yeah
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i'd like to get raked she's cool she's
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I guess we can get fit and post so she
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yeah so she can rescue them actually
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like yes this is the greatest part is is
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I loved it when she's like stop holding
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my hand is her haha markets and I i was
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thinking back to how I would have
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reacted seeing this as a five or
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six-year-old because i saw at the time
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so I told the story and podcast before I
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saw stars my kindergarten class was a
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field trip and I distinctly recall like
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my feet being too my legs sticking out
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on the cinema see because the seat was
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so big but like the reason and i
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imprinted on Princess Leia his she was
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literally like nothing else I had ever
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seen you know and this is the kind of
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business I want to be rather than the
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one that sits around Simpers of birds
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until she falls asleep or whatever you
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you and my wife we get along
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I don't be letting and when I watched
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this and I saw ray
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it was almost like traveling back in
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time to that younger person and thinking
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wow this is you she's even better than
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princess late because granted Princess
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Leia that's a really high bar for what
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she could do but you have somebody who
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you know who survives is really brutal
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world you know she's surviving she's not
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she's not thriving necessarily but she's
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she she's not you know so destitute that
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she's in danger of
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of dying for any for any reason you know
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she's she's got ambition she's got focus
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she's got skills and she's adaptable and
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has a principals in her code and is
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resilient and tough and large source
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file and learns quickly
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yep and you know you look at everything
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that she is and she does and how
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fiercely loyal she's to people and how
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donation she is and I kept thinking wow
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that is there are going to be the little
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girls across this country who I'm you
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know if they were using justin from toy
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story is there a little before like
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raised on their mental toy shelf next to
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jesse and Rainbow Dash and all of the
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other all of the other strong determined
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tenacious resourceful characters that
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populate the world and i love that we
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have that I love that she's not a
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girlfriend like this has been my big
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complaint about the star trek reboot is
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how poorly the female characters have
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fared yep and I've been having that
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problem and having that problem with
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the reasons i'm so happy about jessica
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jones is because it's breaking the
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streak but you know I've been going to
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marvel movies where I asked you were
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asked where asked to imagine a world
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where space aliens are secretly vikings
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and and Mandy can turn into giant
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reading range machines after being
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exposed to radiation and like apparently
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the idea that women would maybe hang out
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with each other or have agency or
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anything like that like that beggars
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so that's that science-fiction yeah Oh
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what that's crazy talk so it was nice
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that star wars just treat it so
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matter-of-factly like of course a of
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course Leigh is the general who has more
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experience with crazy Skywalker's going
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to the dark side and cheetahs and of
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course ray manages very well on her own
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and she's strong in the force and of
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course the thousand-year-old bartender
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who happens two to run one of the most
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successful culture trading post as part
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of the university's lady and of course
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like I was telling my husband who would
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go see a movie with me because he really
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liked that turned off by the prequels i
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was like i said it was so nice to just
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see when included they were just there
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like everywhere there in the background
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they were running things that was
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fighter pilot was a woman because i can
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remember watching she was child and
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being like why are there no female
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pilots or why why are there no female
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smokers and like it was so nice just to
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see how much more radical egalitarianism
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this this movie was in the stuff that
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well to be fair i believe Jedi did have
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a female pilot which is still the same
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ratio that we have for this one yes
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there's only one in this correct
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yeah she has lines that which I'm very
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excited I is I honestly thought she was
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gonna die because I'm like oh god
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anytime you see a woman who's hanging
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with the boys she gets killed I all I
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could think was if if there had been a
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female fighter pilot in the original
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Star Wars it's like naming the fat guy
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Porkins here would have been like
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pleading guy or something
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flylady yeah well sliding five are you
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ready to this is the first movie I've
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walked out of in i do walked out of it
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out but i don't know where i was going
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to say recent memory but like just
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memory where I I felt really good
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because you know the typical thing is
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like oh we've got this woman and she's
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strong and resourceful and tenacious and
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like all those those traits that Lisa
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listed and then in the last half hour
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she needs to be rescued by the fin and
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Han and Chewie and she didn't ray didn't
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need that Ray was capable written up
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later so I loved it right the whole
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thing and I you know I walked out of
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guardians of the galaxy feeling really
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really bad i walked out of an age of
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Ultron Ultron feeling really really
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meant like scarlett johansson is is the
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Hulk's girlfriend in that movie
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well like kind of an kind of Hawkeye's
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like I don't know like jealous of his
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family like I don't it was just bizarre
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to me and the same for Star Trek we have
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and we have scientist lady who strips
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down to her underwear for no reason like
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constant constant let downs in my
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science fiction which is a kid nearly
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disappointing and this didn't have that
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and I walked out and I was like this
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this is the movie i have been waiting
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for forever at the bit at the
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the risk of bringing it down i still
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think it's aight i still think it's
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hogwash that you cast a woman of color
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and then hydrogen cgi I was just going
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to say that like I don't understand why
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we don't have did they decide after she
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was cast if they were gonna make that
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character cgi because that would suck
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I don't know I don't know I don't think
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so but yes I'm okay then i but then i
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don't feel like that but I mean I think
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she was designed to be Yoda sk yeah but
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which again resonance it's such a it is
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a little crazy to me that in Star Wars
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you have more characters who are you
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know made with rubber masks or CGI or
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who are droids who have lines and agency
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and and speaking parts in this world
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then you do men of color much as women
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of color like it's it's still a
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relentlessly white universe and we just
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the thing that kind of baffles me you
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know and anyone spreading a wide net
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here to also include star trek and also
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include the marvel vs um it is crazy to
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me that if you have a medium that isn't
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that that is inherently built on we took
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this world moved at 45 degrees and
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through and crazy stuff that like
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somehow your standard is still lots of
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white dudes you know
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yeah and so while i'm excited that John
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boyega is obviously going to be an
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important part of this franchise hooray
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and Daisy Ridley hooray
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you know it's it's still it's a lot of
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dudes and I was the others along a lot
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yeah this is a long way to go but i i'm
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i'm still at the same time happy that
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they've gotten as far they have and then
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going back to just talking about Ray for
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um one of the things I love about her is
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that she is super awesome and super
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capable but she's not infallible like
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she's right of getting to see her screw
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up for example accidentally opening the
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doors to the ship to let go crazy
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monster monster beast that was such a
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great sequence which was you know kind
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of it a little bit of hilarity and then
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also just seeing her screw up and she's
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also kind of socially a little bit weird
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and awkward because she's lived by
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yourself in an at4 like her entire life
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practically so it's a
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it's nice that she isn't a hundred
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percent on the ball all the time and we
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get to see it when she's not
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yeah and it's nice to see your mess up
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and be like instead of like beating
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herself up she's like okay that didn't
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go the way I expected
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how do i fix it and it was good to see
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and that's the kind of attitude you'd
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expect from somebody who grew up and
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managed to make it to the age that she
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is at on a planet like Jack who
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yeah and it's like all the talk online
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from certain quarters that all she's a
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mary-sue well you know friends look well
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no no no no a hero is designed to be
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idealized his he or she is designed to
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be the person that we identify with that
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we want to be in that story a mary-sue
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is someone who comes into the story that
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as a proxy is a proxy for the writer is
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a proxy for the fan who is the best
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thing ever and then leaves they're not a
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permanent part of that story they're not
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the enemy that's it came from Star Trek
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fan fiction that's where the term comes
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from and you know it's like oh here's an
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insulin who saves the ship and saved
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everybody's lives and gets promoted all
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the way to Admiral in the course of half
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an hour that's a mary-sue this is just a
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hero and she's meant to be the
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cornerstone of this next section of the
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saga that is not a mary-sue that is a
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so I guess the question I have is is
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nerd culture or more specifically dude
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nerd culture so accustomed to women as
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objects to be one or supporting
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characters who give the men something to
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do IE rescue them with them whatever or
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or background wallpaper that they can't
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handle it when women have that the
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defining traits of of the protagonists
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in the hero that might be part of it but
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i think i think what it boils down to it
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and even a deeper level than that is
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that as women we have been taught our
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entire lives to we've learned how to
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empathize with the male characters who
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have been at the center of all these
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adventure stories boys were never taught
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to do that with girl characters so they
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now see this person who is awesome and
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who is the center of this film and they
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are many of them are not equipped to
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empathize with this character that they
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feel that it's wrong for them to sort of
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put themselves in this character shoes
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because my god she's a girl
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whereas we've been doing that with point
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characters forever and ever and ever so
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we have no trouble with it so it's it's
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it's basically a new skill set that
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needs to be built by an awful awful lot
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yeah and I mean honestly if more people
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could step outside of themselves and
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empathize with someone who doesn't look
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what does that solve a lot of problems
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in the world today
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no didn't you know i mean i was i was
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raised when I was a child my mother was
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a single mother and so everything that I
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got all of the the pop-culture I got
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came filtered through that experience
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and and the importance of being able to
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see elements of yourself four elements
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that you would like to be part of
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yourself in people who were not at all
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like yourself and you know I i feel very
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lucky about that I try to do that but
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with our kids it's like you know it's
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okay i mean that's what it my 14 year
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olds favorite movie of the year was fury
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road my 11 year olds favorite was inside
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out our favorite altogether was was the
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force awakens what's the thread they're
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all females they're all that's the hero
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anyway and that's and I do it as you
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kind of mentioned before lean i love
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that that they don't really make a big
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deal out of the fact that she is a girl
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they don't make a big deal out of the
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fact that that fame is a black man they
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just they are these characters and
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they're interacting in the way that they
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are just as people like currently own
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and I'm sure this which this I'm sure
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this will change after I've seen it a
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few more times because my favorite bits
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of movies always change but my current
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favorite chunk of the film is from the
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time that thing gets to the outpost
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where where ray buerre lives and you
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know sees her and goes to rescue her and
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then realizes why don't let me just idle
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away here she clearly doesn't need any
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help and down all the way like all of
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their interactions through running
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through stealing the Millennium Falcon
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until the point where they have escaped
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the planet and it's in an open the
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autopilot in space or something like
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that and they meet each other in the
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corridor and their excitedly talking
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and they just they're so jazz in the end
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with this big hug it's like that's
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that's the kind of reaction that i want
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to see more in movies after an
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experience like this so often characters
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just sort of like yeah they brush it off
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we've just been through something crazy
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cool we lived know this is this is what
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I would be doing I'd be freaking the
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heck out what somebody hug and that is
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what they do and they don't make a big
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deal that she's a girl he's black
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they're just they just hug right i think
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what made my gave me a lump in my throat
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of that though is they're both such
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yes and part of the reason they're so
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getting and they're hugging is because
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for the first time they're not alone and
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that it and and it's it's it's our hood
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oh my god you know it's it's they like
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leveled up in humanities or it like it's
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about community here I got a whole new
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world the whole experience but you know
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you had two people who he says he was
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taken from a family he doesn't remember
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and they have that senior captain fast
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was talking about how it was set for
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reconditioning and you'll note that the
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picture of him on the profile they bring
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up is not the adults in the little boy
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they stole right and and again ray was I
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guess left by somebody who is concerned
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about her well-being when she was only
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six or seven years old so they both have
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the experience of being ripped from you
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ripped from their families they've been
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rated they've either been raised to
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raise themselves and very you know cars
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Harrison isolationist environments
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they're both very lonely people who are
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also a little bit confused as to why
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things are happening to them the way the
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heart and and they survive an experience
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together and what's more is that like
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it's the together part that I think
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moves the more than the survive part
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because they have probably separately
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survived pretty awful things and had
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nobody to process it with but this time
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there is somebody who not only will
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listen to that other person cares what
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happened to them and that's like a whole
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new experience for them to and it just
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gave me like a lump in my throat you
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know what one and not only that but ten
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tell me if I'm mistaken when when they
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first meet and they're you know they're
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running they're being chased any and he
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keeps grabbing your hand here dad got in
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my hand isn't is that the only time that
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anyone sort of makes a very
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stereotypical your girl come on
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the only time in the whole movie and and
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what's really great about that whole
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sequence is that it starts off with
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their they are kind of formal the area i
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mean they had know each other at that
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moment and just through that whole
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experience they come back around to
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having a shared experience which they've
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never really had with anyone before and
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that's what culminates in the hug too
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and I mean it's just a beautiful moment
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so the grabbing of the hand do you think
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that was some of the JJ Abrams all
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thrown some levity to get people
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invested and have them laughed through
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the tension or do you think that was
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honestly supposed supposed to point to
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something where maybe Finn is kind of
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remembering some of the social mores
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that may have been that he may have
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experienced before abduction and and
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I think that's both i think it is a very
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proper traditional this is how you were
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you do this and complexity stormtroopers
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being big on chivalry
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yeah I wonder I've been wondering about
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that too I was wondering if this was JJ
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Abrams sending up the action convention
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or if this was at work because you know
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it's not like they're there are things
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he does that seem anachronistic or see
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audiences and make them feel like was a
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reverent um as opposed to stuff that
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might be in there deliberately to try to
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set to try to lay down clues or sending
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messages and with the hand-holding thing
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i'm honestly not sure because again
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JJ Abrams does sometimes do stuff that's
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meant just to win audiences over like
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James Kirk of the song sabotage its kind
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of necklace of some young man today
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driving his car around to like a 1920s
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bootleg tune I got the impression that
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he would be doing that same sort of
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thing I mean possibly even if it was a
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guy that it that's just his his reaction
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especially you know Keith he was a
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stormtrooper his first battle he sees
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one of his friends died you know
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thank goodness for us that he does so we
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can recognize him cause he's completed
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his mask and then the the first person
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that that he it connects to in any way
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is actually po Dameron and then they
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escaped together so that's his first
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experience of working together with
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someone and having that that
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togetherness experience which is Lisa
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said that's a really important and
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powerful thing and then hold eyes which
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had to have been such a huge blow to him
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that I think you know that his his
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natural reaction after
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that fact is if he sees you know maybe
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somebody that he is has any kind of
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connection with you know even though
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he's only said a few words to her they
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they are now somewhat connected
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something scary at all
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he grabs your hand and he runs when in
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the end the stormtroopers are big on
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chivalry but they are big on proper
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orders and this is the purple violet
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printed that can talk this is the proper
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thing to do in this moment and you do
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this right it's not it's not your choice
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you do this because this is what you're
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supposed to do and that's I mean that's
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how I was trained chivalrously right you
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know you hold the door for ladies you do
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this you do that did you don't question
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it right and so I did that
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it struck me as it was combination of
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both of those things from the other side
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it's interesting too that you know ray
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keep saying stop taking my hand I can
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run without you taking my hand which i
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would expect from somebody who has his
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load on her own for so long
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which to me makes the the hug scene
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after they survive even more touching
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because she's been you know sort of like
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you know not wanting the physical
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contact and now she's just so
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overwhelmed with with the happy feels
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that she's good with a hug
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hmm oh yeah it's it's certainly more
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subtle emotional development that we've
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gotten into the others i think the other
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installments and I say this is somebody
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who loves movies four through six
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episodes four through six and would be
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really willing to revisit episodes 1-3
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so I i revisited 13 when the kids were a
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couple years younger and been revisited
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them several times and then I finally
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snapped and played them the incomparable
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episodes about the first the the one two
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and three and now we've heard Steve
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let's say go wash your droid more than
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we've actually seen the prequels now so
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nature and nurture i purposely did not
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listen to the in comfortable episode
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about episode 1 because I just don't
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want to hear at you don't they know
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their problems with that movie but I
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don't like you but you don't want to
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know you don't have to go to ebay i'm
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happy to listen to rip apart 2 and 3 i'm
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good with that haha
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special means if we're gonna talk about
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things that bothered us about the movie
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one of the things that bothered me was
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and they they just like anyone they met
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they were like oh yeah this droid has
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has the map to Luke that was like that
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but the bumpers are you already headed
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wait did he hide something in all the
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droids dude you know and it starts when
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it starts with poe you know and it's a
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very blatant think it's an orange and
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white droid completely unique and you
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know like it starts with with po telling
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thin and then fingers to the planet he's
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plantilla and it's just like everyone
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they meet and I'm like it's just like
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Rubik's droids okay do not know how to
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keep secret service feel people out like
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did make me laugh every time but it made
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sense to me that pole would tell Finn
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because he's trying to convince him
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listen this is something that we really
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need to do it is that important you know
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this is the this is where we're going
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and then I i don't know why i fain would
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have any like it he wouldn't have any
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reason to keep stuff like that a secret
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so much like he doesn't care that much
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he just he's running away
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ok doesn't necessarily he's never lived
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in this rebellion world he's always been
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given orders and just marched to them so
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he might not have a filter for that kind
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of for that kind of information and then
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the next time that we get somebody tell
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told about it it's han Solo and chewy
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which you know that makes sense to it's
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still it's still funny every single time
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somebody's like yeah
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map to Luke Skywalker like come on guys
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how do you really know these people are
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who they say they are like I just I
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don't know like I was raised to be more
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suspicious so here's something where I
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didn't know everybody yeah that's all
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true that there is there is there is
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that were you just like you
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no wonder you are always getting blown
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um my complaint and I feel odd making it
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I honestly expected poder run to die and
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like that in my opinion it would have
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been perfect if he had died in that tie
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fighter crashed and i think he was
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originally supposed yeah and that would
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the perfect MacGuffin where you're like
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oh it's the handsome leading man type
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and he's roguish and makes friends with
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the storm trooper who rescued him and
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they have a caper together and oh it's
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over because i'm kind of a sucker for
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that sort of sort of like one of my
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favorite comic book starts off on black
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orchid by Neil Gaiman starts off with
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that kind of swerve and so when Pope
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someone pode a man came back hello back
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and I thought oh my god you could lesli
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you and that's you still got that swerve
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like for a good chunk of the movie i
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really did think he was dead and there
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was a time I would've liked it if you'd
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stayed and I mean not because and this
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is nothing in Oscar Isaac who I may
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emphasize is his own special effect
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that's how funny looks
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I noticed such things to note that I
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would you know but why not you can't
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amazing hug at the end yeah in here like
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others which are you able to ship go and
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fen if yeah we're at here's my nasty
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suspicious mind at work though is it's
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awfully convenient now he's alive in
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background like what if you working with
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some way you know because it's the
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Empire and for all we know like there
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were a lot of Weasley's maybe there's a
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bunch of weekly generals in different
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parts of the of the Empire and they have
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wheels spinning within wheels and was
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like I'll have a couple moles in the
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resistance and this programmer and guy
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who's a really great fighter pilot he
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just happens to be good enough to get
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into scrapes and maybe he's playing a
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long con he's like some variation on the
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inside type thing so I'm like a little
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he's pretty shady then if he does that
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because I mean he had he blows up their
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planet killer so if he's if he is a mole
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he is he's in the deepest of deep cover
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yeah I'm pretty I i would not be
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surprised i like against wheels within
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um I i want to be po'd amarin you you
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don't say that about perfect
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you have higher factions like we don't
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like that all of our resources are being
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dictated by some jawless hologram madman
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and his luscious maine daca light so let
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you know my revolution from within block
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a few planets to finally cast aspersions
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on this this Death Star strategy we keep
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trying you know to be fair it may be
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like that worried him caucus of the
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oh no I i really liked podium and he
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swashbuckling he's like he's great I
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just feel like he was granted back into
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the plot like I would have liked to stay
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down for that reason well well and I and
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I and I think bb-8 is frankly the cap
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from inside llewyn davis but the thing
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is that it was a I mean I figured he
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would come back because that's a very
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classic cliffhanger switch you know it's
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like all these dead
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no he's not there's no way he could have
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gotten out yeah he got out of class
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second you know it's like all right
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that's that's fair enough that's in the
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that's in the DNA of Star Wars but if
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they were going to do that it's it's too
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convenient for him to just suddenly
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appear you know if there had just been
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one hint Finn doesn't need to know it
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Finn can still think he's dead but we
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need to have just one little tiny
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establishing you know a footprint
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walking away from the crash or or just
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something i don't know what you have
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been missing to ruin the host of the
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whole swerve as Lisa put it I'm glad
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that I didn't know I wouldn't i wouldn't
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have wanted a clue to that because then
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I wouldn't have had that delightful
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surprise at the end where you see that
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getting that wasn't then they didn't do
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it for me this this word for me is is
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for Finn right Finn is the one who gets
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surprised by it and then and his his
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sadness and then his joy at the end
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that's what makes it for me it's not
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it's not the plot machinations of all he
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survived it was because they did work on
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me and I think it probably worked a lot
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of kids insured yeah I'm sure did it was
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kinda like the in the man from uncle
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movie this summer where they they would
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like intentionally leave out details and
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then they would go back and show you the
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details they left and said see aren't we
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so clever like no you're just scared
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with us that's no that's not ok so it
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rubbed me that way it was like uh huh
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you know and like I said it doesn't have
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to be a big thing it could be something
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that we might miss but it should be just
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like in the corner of the screen
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somewhere so you go
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ah he did survive it is okay it is he
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didn't just miraculously show up alive
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later but but Finn was thrown out so far
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away like if you look right wreckage my
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baby knit one even had a footprint that
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wouldn't I was scared but if if in the
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distance you say yet but yeah and if in
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the distance you see like the trail of a
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parachute lying over the top of the dune
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that's where he landed we fin mrs. that
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entirely and he's walking something like
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that you know and yes i love the jacket
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i want the jacket
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oh god you have to know if anyone wants
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to buy me the jacket i was coming i want
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that jacket to that check is amazing
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oh no wonder if in like that I know
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ok so speaking of costumes i think what
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i really like and appreciate about this
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there's no metal bikini is anywhere in
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sight and you know raise race stuff is
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mostly functional when you think about
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it I mean there's a little bit of the
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whole cold shoulder off guard
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you know business top of the arms going
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on but I like that hurt her clothing is
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clearly functional um I like that is
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really change much that she's in pants
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the whole time I like that lady is
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actually in pants for much of this to
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actually the little girl I can't tell
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you how excited I was to see in return
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of the jedi that she was like wearing
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pants and jumpsuits everything was
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completely practical because you know I
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was like oh my gosh at last I think it
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was to balance the middle bikini in the
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oh no thats that returning to that I was
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just an uneven and I mean it worked on
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me as a as a boy just hitting the right
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spot and even at that point I was like
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yeah that's too much
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alright so we're at about an hour let's
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and let's do some closing closing
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thoughts happy thoughts let's end on a
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high note so and then will will will
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unfortunately call it good but America
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let's start with you
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well first of all I did bring up a
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picture of kylo Ren so now I know what
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he's talking about with this hair and um
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I don't know that I would call that
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lusciously condition it looks greasy to
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me which makes sense because you know
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he's been wearing a helmet all the time
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so of course his hair is going to be
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greasy I would keep my hands away from
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that as far as not that any fair picture
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you totally have to see this movie there
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is its own special effect of the movie
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look it's giving me the kind of like
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creeping will use a little bit there no
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and nobody like the first time when he
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takes off his helmet and and you know
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what it's like it's awfully hard to
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block has how many he takes it off and
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the hair comes out I was like maybe the
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dark side of the force keeps you the
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ability to withstand helmet hair and
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that is compelling as the most
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compelling argument that can feel for
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the parts that I i will say my my only
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issue with kylo Ren I mean I have a
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natural that the riffing is strong in
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this one and and so there were too many
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moments where like you know he takes is
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this thing off and I go hey its Vinny
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Barbarino um aurorae CMS his character
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from girls which is not what you want to
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be seeing when you're watching this
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I've never been girl so I I can i yeah
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mhm no but but at the very end you know
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the the lightsaber duel which was really
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well done and I've said this online
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before my my feet are partners a fight
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director and and has taught me what to
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look for so I appreciate really good
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fight choreography right and i'm
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watching this and this is you know
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really good stuff and and at the same
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time I'm seeing the Black Knight from
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monty python and the holy grail and so
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every few seconds and I'm tis but a
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no I'm like oh just put just a little
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bit of color in his costume you wouldn't
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have that but I'm like oh god no so i
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kept getting ripped out of them
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the moment by little things like that i
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mean the fight scene is beautiful in its
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it's kino it sort of has a real curse
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our feeling to it which is again
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absolutely right most of that's me
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teacher let me be your teacher
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yeah they're said and it's not because
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he and it's against that hold desperate
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need for human connection you realize my
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god he is as lonely as Finn and as ray r
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and this is the way he's chosen to
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handle it instead
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well I'm and again to go back to star
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trek for a second is everything goes
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back to star trek yeah it he reminded me
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of Charlie ex who was the the little boy
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who is raised by the aliens when his is
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his ship was marooned somewhere and all
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the adults died and the the all-powerful
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beings saved him and and and he ends up
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having to go back with them he did they
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take him away from the enterprise at the
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end of the episode spoiler horn and it
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reminded me of that because if if his
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biggest connection to anyone right now
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is is smoke i mean that's that's no way
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that's that's perhaps even worse than
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being isolated on a desert planet living
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ya know so again it's that desperate
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need for connection that was Vader's
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issue to write like he had the Emperor
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and people here for our joke
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yeah yeah not know enough to not what
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you'd call a fun holiday list know it
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take to get back to bite my happy thing
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to end on though it is it is a member
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you bring it back up here you guys I'm
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not gonna let you rest it down is that
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was my excitement over the character of
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thin because he's just he's kind of this
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wild card that we haven't really seen
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that kind of a character type in star
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wars before and you know he's it
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he's it its it's self-interest but it's
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it's nice self-interest like he mostly
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wants to run away until the end when he
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he goes back in and helps out but but i
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love the idea that i have absolutely no
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idea what his character arc is going to
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be where he's going to go in
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next movie he ends up unconscious and we
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have that many lovely scene of Ray
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kissing him on the forehead before she
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leaves and I just am thrilled to death
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with the idea that i don't know what
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he's going to do in the next movie
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see that's that's the thing I loved all
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of the new characters were not analogues
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of the old ones they had their own
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twists their own interests they were all
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really well-crafted they were really
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well cast and-and-and exactly i don't
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know where that's going I don't know
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where she's going to wind up i don't
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know what's going on with po and and and
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all that i want to i walked out of the
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the theater saying all right i want the
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next one now I've and watched all the
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rest of them this week where is the next
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some of the criticism that I've heard
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about the pipe then 10 is that he didn't
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receive a lot of character development
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and I think that's a good thing because
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throughout the movie he was reacting it
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wasn't about like oh that let them grow
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as a person it was like no friends in
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this really crappy situation he's in
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fight-or-flight mode
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yeah like that's it there's no room for
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character development he's still
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developing his character he's been
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indoctrinated into the cult of
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Stormtroopers the whole time he hasn't
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had any other experience usually having
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to train as we watch
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yeah I think that's what's great about
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him is you know he spends only he's
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basically a puppy and he spends the
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whole movie just just kind of you know
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huge paws flailing everywhere you know
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running in circles trying to figure out
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what's what'n and he finally focus he
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finally focuses on this one person who's
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offered him the idea of what life could
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be like if you're not living in constant
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terror highly regimented constant terror
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and and have some semblance of human
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connection and so when something of
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course happens to her you know he i have
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to go rescue her and then all of a
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sudden everyone else like and we will
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help you and it's such a it's a foreign
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experience but it's one he's really open
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to and that's what I love about fit as a
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character is he is radically open like
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in a way that you don't see a lot of
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characters in these kind of saugus
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typically because most the time like the
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typical exchanges personne
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cultural convention cultural convention
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skill skill quest person B react react
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tourism and Salter or quip gradually
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coming around to your way of thinking
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but you rarely see it were the first
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person you know conveys information the
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second person like abhorrent or I can be
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useful or something like that and I just
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loved how sweetly open he was
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loved how sweetly open he was
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it was it was it was wonderful you know
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if there's there's there wasn't a whole
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lot of distancing cynicism or irony and
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i was actually a little bit worried
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about that since it's infested the star
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trek ethos as it were and it's one of
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the defining hallmarks of the Marvel
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movies at this point so I liked that
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this movie is it goes back to this this
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people act on genuine motives and
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emotions are things that you take
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seriously and you know you honor the way
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to have them to act on them and finn
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just completely bodies that I loved it
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and a beautiful thing with his character
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all throughout everything he starts out
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in in in a in just constant terror and
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fear and all he wants to do is run and
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get away and he keeps getting thrown
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into situations where he has no choice
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but to keep moving forward instead of
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running and then eventually it gets to
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where he makes the choice to go and help
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and then he makes the choice to fight
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ran at the end with the lightsaber which
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has not been trained in and he's got a
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Jedi is ready hold it like a baseball
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bat is a stereo yeah yeah but the things
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he tries to rise to the occasion like
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every time he's presented with a hard
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choice he he's terrified but he does it
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like like thatthat battle is formatted
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forum and and some of them i mean
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they're not he doesn't even really have
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he doesn't have a choice when he's in
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the TIE fighter because he can't fly it
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he doesn't have a choice when he
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stranded on the desert planet in the
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crash tie fighter right and but then you
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know he has the choice at mazza's to to
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turn and run here to stay and and he
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does stay but it still was still he had
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to overcome that and and by the end it
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is it's not even a choice it's it's I'm
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going to do this because this is the
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right thing to do and he says that at
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one point it's like I'm doing this
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because it's the good thing to do it's
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the right thing which i think is a
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lovely it's it's a really important
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thing that a lot of movies and and
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especially hero movies have been letting
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me down on the the idea that you can be
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a good person because you are inherently
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good that's ok too right yeah at Lisa
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what's your point my have honestly
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it was finding out who kylo Ren's dad
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was I was well I was oh I'm so excited
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about him as a villain
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I'm just beyond excited because we're
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going to get to see I is we're
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completely invested in whether or not
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this guy can be redeemed and i love that
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like that's gonna be the thing that
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happens it because the question is set
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up in this movie like his because his
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mom I still believe there's some light
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in him and and you know when she and
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Hansel have that we need to talk about
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kevin moment with their son Carlo and I
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still believe there's some Lightning him
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and so go die you die to save him
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well I don't think she sent him up to do
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that although it does neatly solve the
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whole i made a baby with a scoundrel
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I'm but you know it's it's interesting
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to me that somebody who largely who grew
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up with a surrogate family that got
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blown up by dot star had so much faith
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in a father-son relationship when she
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kind of had a front-row seat to how
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mentor-mentee skirt out but like this
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whole movie you've liked you find out
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that Kyle is not completely committed to
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the dark side and that whole scene study
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has like I'm really torn and I need your
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help and I thought oh god that here's
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the here's the sort of here comes
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because he doesn't want to kill his dad
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but he wants his dad to give permission
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do it no but because we see him
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struggling and we see he's lonely and
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because he's tied two characters that we
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know unlike and Luke blames himself for
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kylo like we have a stake in kylo Ren's
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Redemption because we want this guy to
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come over to the light side of the force
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we want Luke to be redeemed since his
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Jedi experiment is thus far as something
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of a failure I'm so we want Luke to have
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the same kind of redemption and
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gratification that Ben Kenobi got in
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movies 4 through 6
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it's it's just so like they've made an
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interesting precisely because he isn't
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he isn't a one-dimensional battery like
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Palpatine was and the problem that we
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had not the problem the thing about
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movies 436 was you had already seen
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Darth Vader after the battles clinical
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like the redemption was kind of a sort
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of his character there but you have to
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admit for like one and seven eighths of
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a movie he's like the most terrifying
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thing going and then all of a sudden he
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does that I'm your father's work and he
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becomes that the like oh my god and you
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know that the the last movie whatever
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but I'm like this one like you're
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getting those in origin stories it was
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and so the big question is is he really
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gonna go with the jobless wonder that he
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talks to or is there hope for him to
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generally come over and if he comes back
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to the light side
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what is the sacrifice what's the price
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that has to be paid um so for me kylo
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Ren kind of as a high note because it's
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a complex villain in a way that we
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haven't seen before and it's a villain
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who has very personal ties to people we
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already care about and who has crafted
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personal ties to people we have come to
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care about like Ray and fit because he
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had awfully nasty normally person within
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and like I gotta be honest I'm a little
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worried for Finn in the next two
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installments because captain fastball
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went to the compactor and when she gets
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out of it because you don't cast when
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Christy and throw after like three seems
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completely 1000 gets up she's gonna want
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sum of around back and like the fact
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that it and the fact that kylo Ren like
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c-span and screams your traitor and like
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like he really takes us personally and
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so that's going to be thing 2 i'm just
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really set the zoom I think with a
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villain that is worthy of the saga and i
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no see I am I kind of took that scene
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the other way I didn't see him
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struggling I saw him luring hands-on in
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town and playing playing on you know
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playing it being innocent help me
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uh-oh me know because I struggle because
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he was monster the force earlier and the
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fact that he monologues to his grandpa's
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helmet and and all that and when he has
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that throw line 22 terrain where he's
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like--he'll only disappoint you
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um like it's easy to hate your parents
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when they're out of the room and you're
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an angry teenager but when your parents
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are driving you to hockey practice
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it's kind of hard to roll your eyes and
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so like when he's confronted with his
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dad and realizes that that solo has put
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his life on the line for love him
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it hits that party in the king
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commit to the dark side and what's worse
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it becomes made aware that part and he's
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already sensitive about the fact he
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can't use the force on the rain she can
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use it on other people so he's already
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insecure he's already angry and we all
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know from previous installments like
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that does not make for good for this
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building so no and that will see ya and
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then again when you jump to the the
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thing with ray when he when he battles
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with her and he screams you need a
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teacher let me be your teacher like it's
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not because he cares about how expertly
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the forces wield it's because he's so
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desperate to have a pier and he's lonely
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and he's desperate and he wants someone
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to connect when he wants to create a
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family of some sort
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you know having just killed part of his
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own but yeah I think he's a great
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villain III it's complex and interesting
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and and not boring and that's kind of
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what i want for my villains David what
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about your high points for high point my
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my high point is just the the characters
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themselves and the fact that i want to
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know more about them and I want to know
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I want to see more adventures with them
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right this second and you know that I
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haven't felt that about star wars in
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forever you know decades decades
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yeah for me it was definitely that
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feeling walking walking out of the
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theater and getting home and still being
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excited and still like yes this is
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amazing this was Star Wars this felt
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like Star Wars I can see myself in the
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characters you know that that feeling I
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carried with me for a couple of days did
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you also try to find find tickets for
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another show and discover it was sold
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out all weekend and then cry like I did
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no only I live in a very big metro areas
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so i can drive a while and get to the
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theater that has tickets but i did buy
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tickets at the theater before we started
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the first viewing so so I want to get
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yeah i went to the first screening in
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phoenix on thursday night and then I
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went again Sunday afternoon with friends
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and I imagine we'll probably go back
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another timer to so yeah but but yeah
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and i don't i don't really watch movies
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in the theater I can't remember the last
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time i did that and so I said I saw the
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Phantom Menace nine times in the theater
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so okay yeah just met
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i got i did not but we're just going as
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a beautiful world that don't blame you
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for going back its it was it was fun to
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look alot of those those vividly
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rendered environments plus Liam Neeson
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McGregor your mom like to think the
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panel so much for your thoughts and I
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think we could as everybody has probably
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said we could probably talk about this
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for hours and hours and hours and still
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talk about it more but i'm really
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excited and happy that I got to share
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this time with you at Lisa Schmeisser
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thank you so much for joining us
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I had a great time i'm so glad i got to
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talk to people I kind of feel like you
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know trying not to say anything on
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twitter because I know a lot of people
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who haven't seen it yeah it's just so
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much I want to say I'm going to explode
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so this is this was a nice outlet we
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need to talk about kevin I've been dying
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to use that we need to talk about the
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time when it's not about cabin I've been
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dying to say that for days and you know
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Phil I'm Phil nursing this weekend and
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I'm kind of interested to see how he
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reacts to it but I'm excited to see you
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again i'm so excited to see begin
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yeah it's I think the holdup and Erica
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and sign thank you so much for joining
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us thank you so much for having me you
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know much as I love the Phantom Menace
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the the prequels were not what everybody
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wanted a star wars and I think the first
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line of this film which was something to
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effective this will begin to make it
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yeah that's it hmm it has mhm and David
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Laura thank you thank you all i can say
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is live long and prosper
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mmm crossing the streams again they see
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him trollin they hatin and I've been
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your host Raeleen sims and really
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excited to host my first panel on the
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incomparable mean show
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and and it's been a joy talk to you
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may the force be with you
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