The Incomparable

285: The Answer is One Elephant


  the incomparable number 285 January 2016 [TS]

  welcome back everybody to be [TS]

  uncomfortable i am your host Jason L we [TS]

  are here to convene an addition of one [TS]

  of the most venerable of incomparable [TS]

  clubs the comic book club ye old comic [TS]

  book club [TS]

  joining me to talk about uh we're going [TS]

  to read two traits or we've already read [TS]

  them but we recommend that you read them [TS]

  ms marvel by G willow Wilson volume 1 [TS]

  and 2 is what we're going to be [TS]

  discussing the issue that's issues 12 11 [TS]

  if you prefer the single issues in paper [TS]

  or digital but there are readily [TS]

  available trade paperbacks of of ms [TS]

  marvel actually four volumes but we're [TS]

  just going to talk about the first two [TS]

  we recommend you read them we're we're [TS]

  talking about them because we like them [TS]

  so you go read them and come back [TS]

  perhaps and listen to podcast after you [TS]

  do read them and and to talk to to me [TS]

  about this [TS]

  joining me for the conversation our [TS]

  star-studded group led by led by in in [TS]

  my order first in the order in which [TS]

  i'll introduce them Tony sindelar hi [TS]

  tony i would not attracted me first this [TS]

  is that was a classic first-round draft [TS]

  hello nerds [TS]

  these are just introductions although I [TS]

  like the way you think that every time [TS]

  i'm interested in introducing a panel on [TS]

  the incomparable it's really a little [TS]

  draft it's not it's just introducing [TS]

  people [TS]

  Lisa Schmeisser is out there I wouldn't [TS]

  do a comic book club with at least that [TS]

  lisa has been part of the comical club [TS]

  since the very beginning [TS]

  hello hi this is the best book club ever [TS]

  yeah it is it is weary comics and then [TS]

  we talk about the monopod county also [TS]

  joining us for our comic book club uh [TS]

  one returning comic book club member she [TS]

  was on I think maybe the last comic book [TS]

  club we did it's shannon sudderth hello [TS]

  ave keys and a brand new comic book club [TS]

  member its lien sims hi hi welcome to [TS]

  the club [TS]

  yay I'm so excited he remembers heard it [TS]

  was written on the back of an old comic [TS]

  book and that's amazing no uh-huh effect [TS]

  sound effect rustling rustling anyway we [TS]

  are here to talk about ms marvel of G [TS]

  willow Wilson this is so ms marvel has a [TS]

  a long history [TS]

  dating back to the seventies when what [TS]

  if we had a superhero up a lady [TS]

  superhero with the newfangled title ms [TS]

  that was pretty much the whole concept [TS]

  at that point it was like the feminist [TS]

  superhero in a very 70 sort of sense and [TS]

  I oh I'm old enough to remember that I'm [TS]

  old enough to remember the ads for that [TS]

  in the in the marvel comics but that was [TS]

  Carol Danvers who has gone on to get [TS]

  promoted to be captain marvel with it [TS]

  thanks to the death of the old Captain [TS]

  Marvel Comics what you're going to do [TS]

  and so ms marvel was laying there as a [TS]

  as a unused property in heaven forbid [TS]

  that Marvel Comics will leave any of [TS]

  their intellectual property unused so [TS]

  interesting thing happens [TS]

  g willow Wilson comes in and revives the [TS]

  ms marvel label with a story about a [TS]

  young woman from New Jersey she is [TS]

  muslim she's from her family's from [TS]

  Pakistan and she's growing up in New [TS]

  Jersey and her family's fairly [TS]

  conservative and one day she's out on [TS]

  the streets of New Jersey and gets [TS]

  enveloped in the Terrigen mists because [TS]

  Marvel doesn't do mutants anymore they [TS]

  do in humans and she's granted powers [TS]

  and and and uses as her sort of ideal of [TS]

  who she'd like to be Carol Danvers in [TS]

  her more classic ms marvel appearance [TS]

  and that begins the story of young [TS]

  Kamala Khan and learning about being a [TS]

  teenager with superpowers in a very [TS]

  traditional in some ways Marvel Comics [TS]

  setup of being the the the teenager who [TS]

  has to juggle their personal lives along [TS]

  with their superpower responsibilities [TS]

  it's a it's an interesting mix of things [TS]

  we haven't seen for marvel comics before [TS]

  and things that go back to the beginning [TS]

  of the modern marvel comic line so [TS]

  that's ms marvel in a nutshell [TS]

  I'd like to thank my guests no no reason [TS]

  he was like a little bit about your your [TS]

  thoughts about ms marvel to kick us off [TS]

  I love this book so much for so many [TS]

  reasons and I was a fan of g wilson when [TS]

  she was writing for vertigo she wrote a [TS]

  series called air that being on classic [TS]

  to go tradition it's really weird really [TS]

  fast but she you know she's always had a [TS]

  real skill for plotting and nice [TS]

  dialogue it zippy but not to reflexively [TS]

  smart-aleck II and what I really like [TS]

  you can never go wrong with a villain [TS]

  with the head of it but they have a [TS]

  cockatoo [TS]

  but what I weird what I loved about it [TS]

  is it is such a compassionate book like [TS]

  that is the word that kept popping back [TS]

  when i was reading it over and over [TS]

  again because the parents aren't [TS]

  monsters here you know the moment in the [TS]

  mosque is not a monster like the classic [TS]

  premise seems to be Kamala's like what I [TS]

  feel very awkward because you know i'm a [TS]

  Pakistani girl and most limited school [TS]

  that's predominantly white I don't fit [TS]

  in my parents of all these expectations [TS]

  my religion has expectations but the [TS]

  message that she gets from the people [TS]

  that she's the most worried about [TS]

  disappointing on the message that she [TS]

  gets there very supportive messages it's [TS]

  just be compassionate do the right thing [TS]

  and so long as you're doing with the [TS]

  right intentions and you're doing an [TS]

  honorably you're going to be fine [TS]

  whatever you do and that they're so [TS]

  unintentionally supportive it's it's [TS]

  against a really compassionate way to [TS]

  look at it entire the entire community [TS]

  people around Kamala and I liked her [TS]

  heard I liked her take on very much like [TS]

  look just because we're generation looks [TS]

  at our phones doesn't make us worthless [TS]

  and just g wilson had tremendous amount [TS]

  of sympathy for like everybody in the [TS]

  book from almost every angle there there [TS]

  are a few over bad guys in classic [TS]

  marvel tradition but like nobody come on [TS]

  his life is malicious they're supportive [TS]

  in their own way you know she's got the [TS]

  best friend that goes on and it was the [TS]

  kind of book where I'm really looking [TS]

  forward to reading it trade by train [TS]

  just to just to slip back into this [TS]

  universe where people know each other [TS]

  and look out for each other and offer [TS]

  new perspectives on what it means to [TS]

  become an adult because of all this book [TS]

  is about is how you become an adult with [TS]

  the radical transformation from child to [TS]

  adult what you stand for [TS]

  I think it's interesting that you [TS]

  mentioned that the parents because I [TS]

  that the parents are a complication not [TS]

  because they're bad because it gets [TS]

  awfully complicated when you're a [TS]

  teenager and you have to sneak out in [TS]

  order to be a superhero [TS]

  yeah they're they're not there they're [TS]

  annoying because their parents not [TS]

  because they're jerks or media or or [TS]

  even because their organ because they're [TS]

  Muslim like exactly you know that's Adam [TS]

  as a matter of fact one of the things i [TS]

  like is how it points out that her faith [TS]

  can actually be something that helps you [TS]

  become a better superhero because [TS]

  religion and marble they have like a [TS]

  really weird to rocky history like the [TS]

  guy i can remember really ham-handed [TS]

  x-men plot worker bogner is being [TS]

  manipulated by like a rogue faction of [TS]

  the Catholic Church installed as a pope [TS]

  of and no I kid you not like this is [TS]

  something that went on like in the last [TS]

  15 years to which is bonkers but you [TS]

  know generally speaking they tend to [TS]

  treat religious a wildcat wild-eyed [TS]

  cultures are doing things and I don't [TS]

  think we've ever had an examination of a [TS]

  mark a superhero who doesn't exist in a [TS]

  vacuum or an origin story but rather has [TS]

  a very complicated background that she [TS]

  really loves and doesn't want to leave [TS]

  when she she has the-the-the i forget [TS]

  what his title is I'm gonna get screwed [TS]

  basically they basically say you need to [TS]

  go talk to the guy at the mosque the [TS]

  Imam yeah isn't my mom and she's like a [TS]

  man like the Intel in the every role [TS]

  role in my role of a teenager just like [TS]

  kind of going to make me [TS]

  it turns out he is the wisest of all and [TS]

  and she gets the most out of him and [TS]

  it's such a nice moment where you've [TS]

  been set up as Oh even more [TS]

  complications she's being sent to the [TS]

  principal's office essentially by being [TS]

  told you need to go talk to your mom and [TS]

  he's and he's like you have things to do [TS]

  your being responsible [TS]

  somebody's going to come and train you [TS]

  basically an basically be you will talk [TS]

  to overrate later [TS]

  yeah I even get to how much i love that [TS]

  plot yes yes that was hilarious just [TS]

  bringing in it was the perfect foil and [TS]

  it was like such a nice inversion of [TS]

  Wolverines relationship with other young [TS]

  women that he had where you know he [TS]

  takes on Kitty Pryde and trains her or [TS]

  he takes on Jubilee and train sir um and [TS]

  this time you know it was interesting [TS]

  because it's like I don't want you to [TS]

  grow up too fast but he's also like [TS]

  hyper aware that because he wasn't [TS]

  healing factor anything she's going to [TS]

  have to take the lead both tactically [TS]

  and superhero wise [TS]

  and I i liked the inversion because [TS]

  Wolverine is is I feel sometimes like [TS]

  he's a little bit of a deus ex machina I [TS]

  like when in doubt throw the [TS]

  invulnerable fighting machine at [TS]

  somebody and it's nice that they didn't [TS]

  do that and I really love the dynamic [TS]

  and i like how again compassionate [TS]

  because he's like I just don't want you [TS]

  grow up too fast you don't need to be [TS]

  exposed to things before you're ready [TS]

  and then when he handles the Inhumans [TS]

  he's like no respect her wishes should [TS]

  do this independently and they do [TS]

  yeah some of my favorite panels are in [TS]

  those scenes to I just like there's one [TS]

  that's like in a dodge speak so she's [TS]

  like really excited there's like dodge [TS]

  panel and then and there is a panel [TS]

  where they're like weaving their way [TS]

  from the lower levels of the sewer up to [TS]

  the top of certain yes so so well done [TS]

  it's just you know this conversation and [TS]

  it just flows across this two-page [TS]

  spread really naturally it's easy to [TS]

  read but it's just it it's amazing like [TS]

  i love it i just said i stare at that [TS]

  panel i like when they first meet and he [TS]

  like grabs the the alligator and it's [TS]

  like punching and she's like I don't I [TS]

  don't want to punch it out like a she's [TS]

  good yeah no no it's fine if it's no [TS]

  effect that he had alligators and lasers [TS]

  on their heads all i could think it was [TS]

  some austin powers and shark see how [TS]

  hard is it to get destructive frickin [TS]

  lasers [TS]

  I like the inventor I mean I just I had [TS]

  assumed that you know i like that we get [TS]

  a new superhero and a new villain in the [TS]

  ceramic right it's not just like you [TS]

  know you have to work your way up [TS]

  fighting the see list of Marvel villains [TS]

  that are available for us you know but [TS]

  no the-the inventor when we talk about [TS]

  Runaways you know we're talking about [TS]

  sort of new characters in a new setting [TS]

  that still has some marvel stuff in it [TS]

  and I was reminded of that because again [TS]

  you've got a young hero here but also [TS]

  that it's a new setting and it's not [TS]

  even though [TS]

  yes we're talking about the two issues [TS]

  were Wolverine drops in which is a lot [TS]

  of fun but but the the big picture is [TS]

  that it's it's you know that the [TS]

  inventor that it's much will be a new TV [TS]

  series or something right there's a [TS]

  there's a big bad in the first few you [TS]

  know in the first few trades and he's [TS]

  new and she's new and the supporting [TS]

  cast is new and there are a few [TS]

  characters that come in from our [TS]

  cool but it's not just another remix of [TS]

  existing marvel stuff which is it's kind [TS]

  of funny because it's like that the [TS]

  jersey city's setting where they're like [TS]

  across the river from New York City and [TS]

  it's like we're in the shadow of the [TS]

  Marvel Universe but like we're also like [TS]

  you know we're not that far you can [TS]

  drive to the marvel universe from where [TS]

  we are but you can see that there are [TS]

  but there are no other superheroes in [TS]

  jersey city [TS]

  well there's that heartbreaking one [TS]

  where they said yeah but capes and [TS]

  tights crowd doesn't take much interest [TS]

  in missing children and I was like that [TS]

  that's one little line but that says so [TS]

  much about the inequity the inequality [TS]

  that's in antiquity really that's built [TS]

  into the marvel vs that were and the [TS]

  fact that the guides that Kamala has [TS]

  gotten from the adults that she trusts [TS]

  around her all her life have driven her [TS]

  say no I'm staying in jersey city this [TS]

  because they need me here like rather [TS]

  than be just another human or just [TS]

  another Avenger i'm going to take care [TS]

  of my home and my school and actually do [TS]

  something and like the when when Bruno [TS]

  first finds out and asked her how she [TS]

  had she's wondering how she's gonna [TS]

  superhero and he's like you can always [TS]

  hold press press conferences like Tony [TS]

  Stark [TS]

  ok just let you know you encapsulate you [TS]

  know the the arrogance or the on the the [TS]

  privilege [TS]

  yes that character has the thing i love [TS]

  so much about it is it and it's about [TS]

  compassion and hope like it the heart [TS]

  it's it is about growing up but it's [TS]

  about equally like figuring out how to [TS]

  how to be compassionate how to be true [TS]

  to yourself and and how do how to hold [TS]

  out hope in the face of like dire [TS]

  straits you know there's some pretty [TS]

  major things that happen [TS]

  it looks pretty bad towards the end the [TS]

  the things we're not talking about in [TS]

  this particular episode bit like it's [TS]

  like oh I'll hoping lost and and she's [TS]

  still like know where we're doing this [TS]

  thing and that's the thing i love so [TS]

  much as that and especially since and [TS]

  with what's happening in the real world [TS]

  right now with the tension between you [TS]

  know the United States and Muslim [TS]

  populations and you know it's i don't [TS]

  know i think that there's there's [TS]

  something here that we need to take away [TS]

  the the importance of having us [TS]

  table and supportive environment for [TS]

  kids is what actually comes through and [TS]

  i think another reason this book feels [TS]

  so refreshing is um I'm a huge longtime [TS]

  leader of the x-men and I'm i think this [TS]

  might actually be the first teenage [TS]

  origin story that so far has not [TS]

  included dead parents estranged parents [TS]

  parents will blind you from the get-go [TS]

  parents were members of a cult cult [TS]

  parents were members of who heard [TS]

  time-traveling members from a generation [TS]

  direction here anyways [TS]

  no and I'm thinking about like even in [TS]

  the New Mutants you have sam three who [TS]

  goes to work in mind because his dad is [TS]

  killed and you know Danny Moonstar like [TS]

  her parents turn into the ghost bear you [TS]

  no apologies are spoiling up a series [TS]

  that's spoiler two years old these new [TS]

  yes mam rain Sinclair was cast out onto [TS]

  the moor is ungodly and beaten by [TS]

  Reverend until she was adopted by you [TS]

  know where a tagger then there's all the [TS]

  classic x-men origins stories and again [TS]

  The Runaways or you look at the Avengers [TS]

  where tony stark and his father front [TS]

  relationship and by contrast you know [TS]

  Kamala is surrounded by people who love [TS]

  her and support her and I think for a [TS]

  lot of readers that's actually a lot [TS]

  more relatable and this may actually [TS]

  provide a guide as to how to become your [TS]

  own person [TS]

  well you know also being able to hold [TS]

  onto the things that you draw strength [TS]

  from and that you love and that you [TS]

  treasure so this feels like a radically [TS]

  different book to me in you know [TS]

  compared to the classic teams that have [TS]

  people the Marvel Universe Runaways [TS]

  cloak-and-dagger for example you [TS]

  anything else [TS]

  yeah i was reading ms marvel vol 1 i'd [TS]

  also just read the new background vol 1 [TS]

  which I like but it's it doesn't have [TS]

  the same kind of joy that this is that [TS]

  it's also liked the character is like [TS]

  very much a hipster and it made me feel [TS]

  old so even though this character is [TS]

  younger like that the story is just much [TS]

  more full of like fun enjoy and and you [TS]

  want to root for them in a way that you [TS]

  know if i'm not anti hero but but I [TS]

  particularly want to root for this [TS]

  character I mean just even the moment [TS]

  where she kind of you know she's in you [TS]

  know the the right place at the right [TS]

  time to save not her friend like her [TS]

  classmate and realizes like the feeling [TS]

  of saving that that girl is like that is [TS]

  what i want to [TS]

  all the time basically like that like [TS]

  that felt really powerful first compared [TS]

  to other stories especially because like [TS]

  she's a kid and she's just trying to [TS]

  make her way [TS]

  well i just love as a fan of spider-man [TS]

  from way back [TS]

  who likewise comes his parents are dead [TS]

  he's being raised is uncle is dead now [TS]

  he's just being raised by his aunt but [TS]

  it reminded me of that in the sense that [TS]

  the burden that that Kamala carries it [TS]

  reminded me of parkersburg a little bit [TS]

  there's not there's not guilt there but [TS]

  the point is her parents are [TS]

  disappointed in her because they think [TS]

  she's sneaking out to do bad things when [TS]

  in fact the sad thing that she can't [TS]

  really reveal to them is that she's [TS]

  sneaking out to do good things and her [TS]

  brother who is very religious and kind [TS]

  of super holier-than-thou right and [TS]

  super slacker than that taking yeah [TS]

  right at me and he's like you know I'm [TS]

  I'm cool I'm cool one here I'm the one [TS]

  that everybody loves and you know she's [TS]

  the one who's out there doing this then [TS]

  and I love that tension right that that [TS]

  you know she can i'm not i'm not sure I [TS]

  entirely by how I just can't tell anyone [TS]

  my secret because there's way too many [TS]

  secrets in fiction or reality that don't [TS]

  make sense hello I'm looking at you all [TS]

  the air the flash and arrow by the way [TS]

  home to many secrets but mom but it is a [TS]

  beautiful bit of tension for her that [TS]

  she is she is it her parents don't care [TS]

  that she's sneaking out to do good even [TS]

  if they knew because she's sneaking out [TS]

  alive [TS]

  I think the reason she doesn't tell them [TS]

  is because she knows if she did they [TS]

  would worry even more like it's easier [TS]

  for her to have her parents mad at her [TS]

  than ever parents worried about her [TS]

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  does she's like okay like I i I've got [TS]

  the superpower now I need to go to the [TS]

  internet and figure out what's happened [TS]

  since you can like queries [TS]

  yes she's writing fanfiction she's ready [TS]

  and yes she plays world of battlecraft [TS]

  into someone who uses a world of [TS]

  warcraft I'm like yes you know in in her [TS]

  fan fiction is like the Avengers on a [TS]

  unicorn homeworlds like I mean it's just [TS]

  I relate to this you know twice your age [TS]

  but I'm like I relate to you Kamala Khan [TS]

  yeah very much so that early leader but [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  hello Wilson just so nails current [TS]

  teenage a internet culture in so many [TS]

  ways with all of the reference which is [TS]

  hard yeah it is hard [TS]

  I feel like a lot of people kind of a [TS]

  pit and this comes across as like no you [TS]

  don't you don't actually get what this [TS]

  looks like right you're just you know [TS]

  mix mix it together buzzwords to try and [TS]

  convince that you do they just make [TS]

  dismissive comments about emoji and make [TS]

  it is what is driving this reason [TS]

  they're you get this is this is what a [TS]

  teenager is like what it and it's not [TS]

  just it's not just a ploy in order to [TS]

  have her be more of an outsider which [TS]

  would which is another way they could do [TS]

  it right and say well you know she's a [TS]

  nerd and she's she's a Muslim and all [TS]

  these ways where she's being ostracized [TS]

  like she's got her friend group she you [TS]

  know and and she walks the walk she is [TS]

  she's a dirty person and that's true but [TS]

  she does all the nerdy things and she's [TS]

  she's a fully-realized person in that [TS]

  way and it's not just a let's you know [TS]

  let's put [TS]

  again let's put glasses on Peter Parker [TS]

  and people will beat him up and and you [TS]

  know and put them over in that box she [TS]

  she we see her being nerdy kid and not [TS]

  having a problem with it's like these [TS]

  are the things she does she writes fan [TS]

  fiction and she plays video games and [TS]

  it's fine it's all fine [TS]

  yeah and even the other kids around her [TS]

  you know that they're not bullying her [TS]

  they're just being snotty I'm you know [TS]

  miss concerned role that just you know [TS]

  that they're only because it's that the [TS]

  other girls only so perfectly that she's [TS]

  just blindly and you know half aware and [TS]

  half ignorant and mushes it altogether [TS]

  and just keeps shoving her foot down her [TS]

  throat you know that even those [TS]

  characters are nicely rounded and be [TS]

  like you said it's not the old classic [TS]

  simplistic you know we're gonna go beat [TS]

  up on the nerdy people instead you know [TS]

  we're going to think we are being [TS]

  supportive and think we're being helpful [TS]

  and then we're just being as jerky is [TS]

  anybody [TS]

  mhm what do you think about the about [TS]

  that so we're in her origin she gets [TS]

  exposed to the Terrigen mists and and [TS]

  what happens to her first I and I think [TS]

  this is really interesting is she [TS]

  becomes carol danvers as ms marvel she's [TS]

  blonde and your big blond beautiful you [TS]

  know white cartoon your comic book sir I [TS]

  this is this horrible outfit the classic [TS]

  marvel outfit right me the the little [TS]

  drapey thing in the whole it's going to [TS]

  register the tactical advantage that [TS]

  sash distraction is all i can think of [TS]

  consistently or was there a [TS]

  manufacturing defect and that's to hold [TS]

  it up [TS]

  I don't know but I think it's really [TS]

  interesting because it's about a you [TS]

  know this is a story about identity to [TS]

  and it's interesting I i'm interested in [TS]

  the fact that she doesn't manifest [TS]

  powers she manifests as up another [TS]

  superhero like this is this is who she [TS]

  wants to be and it's not Kamala Khan [TS]

  that saves that school made its carol [TS]

  danvers essentially as Marvel yeah [TS]

  that's like her first instinct is you [TS]

  know to become her idealized idea of the [TS]

  other one superhero is [TS]

  and you know it takes a while to figure [TS]

  out that no i don't have to be you know [TS]

  that person I don't have to be someone [TS]

  else i can do this my way I can be [TS]

  myself and still do this so i think [TS]

  that's just sort of a natural part of [TS]

  you know a teenager going for what they [TS]

  think they want and then learning me [TS]

  know that I'm okay this isn't doesn't [TS]

  fit like I thought it would and they [TS]

  gradually got come around to find what [TS]

  does fit for them [TS]

  one of the things i remember from [TS]

  adolescence is how people tried on and [TS]

  constructed different identities all the [TS]

  time and how code they were like the [TS]

  theater kids have their own distinct [TS]

  look and feel and you know the the crew [TS]

  team that understands look and feel and [TS]

  then you have the the heart the hardcore [TS]

  you know skater crab hypocrite and so on [TS]

  and so forth and this seems to be almost [TS]

  a metaphor for that we're because you [TS]

  know Kamala's already pitch and holds [TS]

  that were at school like when she tries [TS]

  on the Carroll debt Danvers identity [TS]

  then discovers it doesn't fit you know [TS]

  this is just another part of being you [TS]

  know just another part of cycling [TS]

  through those those identities i was [TS]

  also think it was a good thing she did [TS]

  that first because if you had Kamala [TS]

  Khan running around saving people like [TS]

  that before she really knew how to [TS]

  master her powers or how to get away [TS]

  from the scene that would have been just [TS]

  like it would've been a three-issue [TS]

  serious run but that didn't happen so it [TS]

  was just it was it was nice tight [TS]

  plotting and that's another thing i [TS]

  really like about this book is how [TS]

  intelligently it's structured because [TS]

  you know every beat is is perfectly [TS]

  timed it perfectly placed there's no [TS]

  there's no slow laggy spots and there's [TS]

  no issues that feel too crammed full [TS]

  it's just really nicely paced yeah i [TS]

  mean vol.11 hugo award right [TS]

  yes I believe so yes you did when I got [TS]

  that said that the pics that the guy [TS]

  with the head of a cockatiels never not [TS]

  going to be funny though people okay so [TS]

  that the it's a very active when your [TS]

  blood that thinks it's thomas edison [TS]

  already as Thomas Edison it is time I [TS]

  don't want some Thomas Edison but the [TS]

  club managed to get some cockatiel DNA [TS]

  doesn't like the Flies origin stories [TS]

  yeah okay so acceptable [TS]

  yeah since I don't adorable i don't know [TS]

  there are some scenes were like the [TS]

  tongue was loling and I was like now I [TS]

  do maybe I don't need that [TS]

  well it's somebody's a little freaked [TS]

  out by birds i think so i don't i don't [TS]

  love I don't love that character i have [TS]

  to sound I think that that's the thing I [TS]

  like least in this whole first story arc [TS]

  is the the inventor himself although it [TS]

  is a bizarre reveal that he is Thomas [TS]

  Edison would you go figure [TS]

  so many questions that's a little played [TS]

  out for you Jason [TS]

  yeah I thought many times are seeing you [TS]

  know you know there was the there was [TS]

  the squirrel Nikola Tesla I would be a [TS]

  pigeon Nikola Tesla obviously no no it's [TS]

  just love that dare not speak its name [TS]

  between schools and pigeons what are you [TS]

  talking about Tony I know you were on [TS]

  this I I just he's just kind of boring [TS]

  though i mean i know i don't i don't [TS]

  find him a particularly compelling [TS]

  villain on honestly and I i thought it i [TS]

  think it probably took a long time to [TS]

  get to where the plot was kind of [TS]

  grinding away on that that that was and [TS]

  maybe this says something about how much [TS]

  more interested I am in kamala finding [TS]

  herself than I am in this initial arc [TS]

  with this initial set of villains and [TS]

  then kidnapping the kids and her her [TS]

  going to investigate then he and there's [TS]

  a fake-out right where it's like we [TS]

  think we're gonna get a resolution but [TS]

  it turns out that he's just been [TS]

  watching her and there's more to come [TS]

  and then she has to do another thing and [TS]

  I just I wasn't interested in that like [TS]

  I was with her story and and so in the [TS]

  end I you know every time that the [TS]

  inventor would appear to be like shut up [TS]

  bird with that Jason I actually that [TS]

  that's something when i was listening my [TS]

  pluses and minuses for the book my [TS]

  biggest minus was that when it turned [TS]

  back towards the typical comic book hero [TS]

  fight villain kind of thing I felt like [TS]

  it lost a bit of the personality [TS]

  I mean you just that the funniest things [TS]

  to me up for the inventor was basically [TS]

  when Kamala would point out your bird [TS]

  and he get mad you know his I've been [TS]

  studying you and here's some other [TS]

  weakness I found you know that got old [TS]

  for me quite a bit but i am not a bird [TS]

  yeah but throw it in his face that he's [TS]

  a bird and that was funny and that I [TS]

  like any losses my agree with what [TS]

  you're saying about about [TS]

  it's sort of losing its way a little bit [TS]

  during that part the Inca it is he [TS]

  probably hang around a lot longer than [TS]

  you know he's probably he's kind of one [TS]

  joke villain and we get the joke about [TS]

  four times so i think some people some [TS]

  people like that you and he doesn't seem [TS]

  to be that much of a mastermind [TS]

  no I mean yeah well I wondered when [TS]

  Thomas Edison turned really evil like [TS]

  you know how did some she not going to [TS]

  reduce your water on industry watch [TS]

  drunk history math tells you everything [TS]

  you need to know what they really just [TS]

  did inventors episode where they tell [TS]

  you what a rotten terrible person Thomas [TS]

  Edison was in stealing the patent for [TS]

  the telephone [TS]

  ya ali and how many how many elephants [TS]

  do you have to kill before you before [TS]

  you judge someone as evil as the answer [TS]

  is one [TS]

  the answer is 11 college kill any [TS]

  elephants really that's because you're a [TS]

  superhero not a super villain island [TS]

  that's the litmus test how many [TS]

  elephants would you kill 0y a superhero [TS]

  i cannot pass yeah sure [TS]

  sweet use your cape fitting isn't it was [TS]

  a chart it's like 0 and then 1 2 [TS]

  everything else about should not onto [TS]

  almost rockers good job Tony the [TS]

  elephant scale it's it's common commonly [TS]

  note i I'm what do you think about one [TS]

  of the things that I think is [TS]

  interesting about the models powers is [TS]

  that she is she's able to kind of just [TS]

  transmuted her potty and all sorts of [TS]

  wacky ways and given the art style of a [TS]

  lot of these issues I think you wanted [TS]

  some with Adrian our phones are [TS]

  especially new is it kind of lightens it [TS]

  again it has a personality of its own [TS]

  that she's got these like super wacky [TS]

  like a big hands and long legs and stuff [TS]

  that that is it's really dynamic and it [TS]

  doesn't really remind me of anything [TS]

  I've seen before I guess their moments [TS]

  where I think you know this could be [TS]

  like when Reed Richards stretches it's [TS]

  just like he's like a rubber band played [TS]

  or something when she doesn't it's it's [TS]

  dynamic she's you know she's gotta see [TS]

  has mass and goof late [TS]

  yeah like that's a real thing is that [TS]

  like she's like like when her hands [TS]

  giant and she can't control it like it [TS]

  is awkward and not just like you know [TS]

  awkward she's I mean awkward teenager [TS]

  put in manifested into powers right [TS]

  everything and all your body body parts [TS]

  are doing wrong [TS]

  Fang and I really enjoyed that uses that [TS]

  she loses this uses simpsons reference [TS]

  within biggin yes but yea disabilities [TS]

  been stressed isn't big enough you can [TS]

  get you should get back but I mean not [TS]

  to get too much down the old literary [TS]

  analysis of there but I i like that [TS]

  because I feel like that actually said [TS]

  something about her at any teenagers [TS]

  fundamental kind of disconnect from from [TS]

  the themselves in their body that she's [TS]

  she's she's goofy and it and funny [TS]

  looking at times even when she's [TS]

  exercising powers and saving people [TS]

  because that's what it's like to be a [TS]

  teenager is you not all all perfect and [TS]

  her powers aren't the kind of super [TS]

  gleaming perfect kind of powers that a [TS]

  lot of superheroes have their there a [TS]

  little bit goofy and that's just she [TS]

  that's just turned that sushi I look [TS]

  flawless well i generate Cyclones this [TS]

  benefit thing [TS]

  yeah but i also love how come you know [TS]

  as she's learning her power she's also [TS]

  you know she's a nerd she's knows her [TS]

  science and she's trying to apply things [TS]

  you know ok more mass miracles equals [TS]

  hate more force longer legs made you [TS]

  know technically I'm not running faster [TS]

  but i'm running farther things like that [TS]

  you know and then it occurs to hurt you [TS]

  know 20 swell her head and then head but [TS]

  the the giant robot and discover yeah [TS]

  that hurts but um but it works things [TS]

  like that and the fact that she you know [TS]

  it takes her of what once in awhile [TS]

  takes awhile to realize wait a minute i [TS]

  can shrink too and this time that works [TS]

  that the fact that she can go both ways [TS]

  that she can make herself bigger she can [TS]

  make herself tiny and figure out what [TS]

  the best thing to do in each situation [TS]

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  dropping down i don't know a story or [TS]

  two into the water of the sewer and [TS]

  she's like oh you know like I need to [TS]

  shrink so i can break the surface [TS]

  tension with you know about killing [TS]

  myself and I I i like that it its and [TS]

  yeah it's kind of science ii it's quick [TS]

  thinking too and I appreciate that where [TS]

  you know a lot of i'm new to comics but [TS]

  the ones i've read often times it's just [TS]

  like well you know like I'm going to do [TS]

  a thing and the thing is done and you [TS]

  know and kind of like the internal [TS]

  thought process that we get with Kamala [TS]

  she's like oh this is why I'm gonna do [TS]

  this thing she's new hero to so she's [TS]

  the idea is also figuring it out which [TS]

  is which is fun to see indeed we talked [TS]

  about in humans a little bit yes please [TS]

  it wasn't Lisa I know it's gonna have [TS]

  been about this is not a mutant she's an [TS]

  inhuman there's a charity charity and [TS]

  missed there's a whole overarching [TS]

  storyline that is not really that [TS]

  important to the to the particular story [TS]

  here other than that it's the it's the [TS]

  method by which she you know it's not [TS]

  bitten by a radioactive spider or hit by [TS]

  toxic waste or radioactive waste or [TS]

  whatever or born a mutant it's this mist [TS]

  that sort of activates her inhuman [TS]

  powers so there's that aspect of it [TS]

  which I think it's is a different sort [TS]

  of thing and then we do get later in the [TS]

  story line we get her interacting she [TS]

  has a large dog who visits her who is [TS]

  lock jaw who is one of the craziest and [TS]

  funniest characters in the Marvel [TS]

  history perfectly deployed if there was [TS]

  ever a book to have a connection with [TS]

  such a a delightful and goofy character [TS]

  as the giant inhuman dog with the tuning [TS]

  fork on his head [TS]

  it's it's miss marvel to perfect fit and [TS]

  ms hola [TS]

  jalisa inhuman stuff thoughts about that [TS]

  when I centimeter and inhuman and it's [TS]

  such a smart origin story in so many [TS]

  ways because so you can have you can [TS]

  have humans popping up to the entire [TS]

  series run because look those Terrigen [TS]

  mists long way but my other thought was [TS]

  wow this is really opens up the door to [TS]

  having her in future [TS]

  mar MCU movies because and or two [TS]

  TV show because they've taken her out of [TS]

  the that they took her out of the [TS]

  classic you know it's it's a team let's [TS]

  go with all the teams doing freaky [TS]

  things off to Charles Xavier you go [TS]

  um and I was thinking about this and was [TS]

  like we can see come on a common [TS]

  adventures movie which honestly using I [TS]

  would know I was thinking about this and [TS]

  I was like okay my and I apologize for [TS]

  being from it by promising me back to UM [TS]

  one of the things that as a viewer of [TS]

  the MCU I'm beginning to get a little [TS]

  bit tired of is it's basically a bunch [TS]

  of people who are my age who haven't had [TS]

  a carb since the bush administration who [TS]

  are you who are you know busy shooting [TS]

  arrows and running around the suit or [TS]

  hulking out or whatever and I thought [TS]

  this is kind of ridiculous city all ages [TS]

  and what we need to do is we need to see [TS]

  people who are younger or we need to see [TS]

  people who are different and you know [TS]

  not and not dudes and I get that they're [TS]

  ramping up on the human stuff in agents [TS]

  of shield which I'm still watching but I [TS]

  thought we've already established in [TS]

  humans are in this universe like that's [TS]

  what agents of shield has done [TS]

  why can't we see come on in a movie and [TS]

  and I thought and and I thought will [TS]

  meet this book was kind of launched that [TS]

  intention was sort of a backdoor like [TS]

  it's all it was a huge splash she gave [TS]

  you and comics but it's kind of like a [TS]

  sort of well she's well established in [TS]

  my life in fandoms there's no reason for [TS]

  her not to be included as opposed to if [TS]

  they had just thrown her into an [TS]

  avengers movie or one of the MC movies [TS]

  early on i think the focus would not [TS]

  have been on like what a great character [TS]

  she is and when interesting and fresh [TS]

  backstory and what inventive way she [TS]

  uses to do her job within like oh it's a [TS]

  Muslim team and like it it would not but [TS]

  you know she's gonna get a safe launch [TS]

  as it were [TS]

  that said always but I i'm always been [TS]

  fascinated by the Inhumans just because [TS]

  it's such a weird whack-job promise like [TS]

  Black Bolt alone i'm like what the what [TS]

  the aliens but their honor their kind of [TS]

  human-like but there's a mean it sounds [TS]

  like a weird royal dynasty scheming [TS]

  thing going on you've got a dude who [TS]

  literally can't say a word because if he [TS]

  does he destroys the universe but he's [TS]

  married like the chattiest woman on the [TS]

  planet and [TS]

  and she's got hair that doesn't [TS]

  something and a big dog [TS]

  alright I'll of lavo is adorable and you [TS]

  know Medusa's just kind of wack job [TS]

  herself it's like is it like this is [TS]

  somebody who every time I look at videos [TS]

  I'm like listen to log for a most don't [TS]

  you and I fight I read I but I'm [TS]

  thrilled that come on was actually an [TS]

  inhuman because like one that when it [TS]

  finally hits her to it's going to be [TS]

  another piece of identity that she's [TS]

  gonna have to reconcile with being a [TS]

  desi girl in America and with being [TS]

  Muslim and being a jersey it--and then [TS]

  she's going to have to go out do I you [TS]

  know how do I break my parents that I'm [TS]

  also apparently part alien [TS]

  well which means but some of them are 22 [TS]

  yeah yeah I I as a fan of Buffy I i [TS]

  always think of these stories being [TS]

  perfect for TV to idea that you can do [TS]

  it because then you have the ongoing [TS]

  story let's look at spider-man movies [TS]

  you know they tried to tell the story [TS]

  but in a movie in two hours it's a lot [TS]

  harder to get that rhythm that we see [TS]

  actually in these Marvel stories where [TS]

  she's living day to day and having to go [TS]

  about you know navigating her tortured [TS]

  high school just existence as a high [TS]

  school student along with being a [TS]

  superhero and so that was that was the [TS]

  thought that I had was you know this [TS]

  really would make a great CW show it [TS]

  would be a funny video [TS]

  yeah exactly better than Supergirl I'd [TS]

  love to see it because you know again [TS]

  and i have to say i have a lot of [TS]

  admiration for how carefully Marvel has [TS]

  architected out its expansion in both [TS]

  film and TV like it's really well [TS]

  thought out and you can and it's fun to [TS]

  watch them laying the groundwork but the [TS]

  characters tend to skew classic in sku [TS]

  old and I would really like to see [TS]

  someone might come on Alec on where [TS]

  instead of it taking place in New York [TS]

  City you know it would be interesting to [TS]

  see if societies that one of the more [TS]

  established characters if as a [TS]

  fish-out-of-water the same way Wolverine [TS]

  was and they discovered that there are [TS]

  people who are just gonna kind of [TS]

  quietly doing their thing no big deal [TS]

  Kamala Khan just happens to be this [TS]

  Marvel who's taking care of you know [TS]

  Jersey City and I i really want to see [TS]

  more of her United too especially you [TS]

  know what the Marvel Cinematic Universe [TS]

  I mean shield i think does a fairly okay [TS]

  job and you know we don't [TS]

  a lot of younger people you know we've [TS]

  got people in the 20 in their twenties [TS]

  but not like teenagers not kids and and [TS]

  you know the movies are just I mean [TS]

  they're fun I like them but like you [TS]

  said it's a bunch of of dudes talking [TS]

  about things and you know we've got the [TS]

  one woman we've got you know Black Widow [TS]

  and we don't we can't even get like her [TS]

  on the t-shirts figurines or whatever so [TS]

  if we could have something daddy has a [TS]

  Marvel movie keeps getting pushed [TS]

  further and further out and it's going [TS]

  to be Carol Danvers who's in earth and [TS]

  maybe part of it is the squeamishness [TS]

  about well what if we have somebody [TS]

  who's a minor was putting herself in [TS]

  really dangerous situations like that [TS]

  that could be uncomfortable but they [TS]

  actually handled that really well like [TS]

  in one of the spider-man movies I'm i [TS]

  think was like spider-man 2 like after [TS]

  he saves a train and pn you know he [TS]

  passed out my car people like holy crap [TS]

  he's really young home and maybe that's [TS]

  actually something that the MCU needs to [TS]

  reckon with which is that if you're [TS]

  going to recruit people who aren't yet [TS]

  adults there are moral and ethical [TS]

  ramifications to putting these people in [TS]

  danger way I always remember the scene [TS]

  and I think it's actually multiple [TS]

  scenes in an ultimate spider-man where [TS]

  Nick very shows up to like try and [TS]

  recruit spider-man to be part of the [TS]

  Avengers and he's like I just gotta [TS]

  finish high school man [TS]

  no yeah i have a lab report of working [TS]

  on yeah that's right yeah I gotta find [TS]

  here i have to do calculus [TS]

  yeah yeah yeahs a sidestep NEX movie [TS]

  when x-men movies when you look at it [TS]

  because they had a really clear division [TS]

  between leg the working excellent here [TS]

  running on the leather and glare alot [TS]

  and the students who you know or are [TS]

  kind of doing an ad-hoc thing and to be [TS]

  fair they have a division in the comic [TS]

  books as well but I i think it's [TS]

  something that you're going to have to [TS]

  see a TV show or a comic book or a movie [TS]

  about these people deal with at some [TS]

  point which is some again when you're [TS]

  throwing teenagers at super villains or [TS]

  natural disasters like you know are [TS]

  there like do you ever draw a line you [TS]

  know what's the issue of consent and I [TS]

  see what you're saying but there have [TS]

  been things like the power rangers and [TS]

  you know they're there [TS]

  there's some precedent you know not [TS]

  necessarily in the Marvel Universe but [TS]

  there is some entertaining [TS]

  and precedent for having teenagers in [TS]

  potentially dangerous situations and you [TS]

  know is goofy you know even as a kid [TS]

  watching power rangers I'm like yeah [TS]

  this is totally goofy know it and you [TS]

  can make that distinction i think but [TS]

  you know there's they can do it [TS]

  lake maybe they're definitely might need [TS]

  to think about it a little bit but I [TS]

  definitely think they should do it like [TS]

  a cute is I'm telling you do this [TS]

  because yeah live the world needs some [TS]

  miss marvel like me as Marvel mass [TS]

  consumption of miss murkly yeah yeah [TS]

  there was a throwaway line and Kevin [TS]

  Smith running green arrow like a decade [TS]

  ago where he's looking back through his [TS]

  rogues gallery or what have you and he [TS]

  like gets the seventies where he's got [TS]

  speediest the sidekick and Batman had [TS]

  Robin and like he actually is a [TS]

  conversation with someone who's like I [TS]

  really don't know what we were thinking [TS]

  pulling these kids into battle with us [TS]

  and you know that was the first was like [TS]

  yeah it's kind of jacked up because you [TS]

  know when you are kidding your teenager [TS]

  reading this of course you want to get [TS]

  out there like through the eighties [TS]

  Kitty Pryde's readiness for the ex was a [TS]

  huge plot point all the way through like [TS]

  it was one of the big plot engines on on [TS]

  the new x-men but what I like here is is [TS]

  Kamala is so thoroughly and obviously a [TS]

  teenager first and and you know I I feel [TS]

  like that's something that is going to [TS]

  give us a lot of plot cheese and that's [TS]

  actually something where if she gets [TS]

  integrated into the wider marvel [TS]

  universe and i'm talking like i just [TS]

  read the first two trails over the first [TS]

  3 i'm not sure if she gets married to [TS]

  the whole wider Marvel Universe you know [TS]

  someone somewhere is gonna have to say [TS]

  dude she's a sophomore in high school or [TS]

  did she's a junior in high school you [TS]

  know that's what i wanted to mention [TS]

  next which is where Kamala Khan goes [TS]

  from here because when we when we did [TS]

  our episode about the runaways [TS]

  one of the challenges we had is as that [TS]

  run went along and and since that run [TS]

  has ended [TS]

  we've seen them used and there's this [TS]

  thing where you go from being the star [TS]

  of your own story where you like the ms [TS]

  marvel book all four traits are like [TS]

  this that whole series [TS]

  she's the star of the story and she's in [TS]

  the marvel universe and we can have a [TS]

  Wolverine drop in and we can have [TS]

  lockjaw and Medusa drop in but it's cold [TS]

  it's Kamala story and with Runaways they [TS]

  ended up being sort of like and some [TS]

  other people stories and it kind of got [TS]

  messy and not as good and that's what I [TS]

  wanted to ask is is you know [TS]

  there is a new Marvel series that jill [TS]

  wilson is is writing that came out the [TS]

  first issue of which came out last week [TS]

  so following the for trades that are [TS]

  available from the previous run they've [TS]

  gone back to a new number one but she's [TS]

  also in the all-new all different [TS]

  Avengers which is not your typical [TS]

  Avengers book it's it's like kid [TS]

  Avengers sort of because the young nova [TS]

  and and and ultimate spider-man or in it [TS]

  too but still does it does that give you [TS]

  is that good news that she's getting [TS]

  wider a wider view in Marvel or is it [TS]

  problematic in the sense that it's now [TS]

  she's just another cog in the machine i [TS]

  could see that being a really narrow [TS]

  tightrope good that yeah they may not [TS]

  big on the one hand yet more exposure [TS]

  for this really cool character on the [TS]

  other hand you know if you let her as [TS]

  you said if you let them get too deeply [TS]

  into the wider universe you lose you [TS]

  lose the jersey girl then just makes [TS]

  this book so much fun and so refreshing [TS]

  so yeah that's how yeah that's gonna [TS]

  that's gonna be interesting to watch [TS]

  your favorite band you know when they [TS]

  get when they make it big [TS]

  today through it they start to stock the [TS]

  question right it's like oh good I'm [TS]

  glad you like Kamala Khan so much you [TS]

  put her in the Avengers are it was that [TS]

  going how's that going to be [TS]

  it was like a suppose it's the same [TS]

  problem with you know when they start [TS]

  integrating the new mutants into the [TS]

  x-men and these characters i had gotten [TS]

  very attached to wear all of a sudden [TS]

  just basically oh you're in the b-list [TS]

  the x-men you know we we throw you at [TS]

  the problem when the market people are [TS]

  off fighting on the other people and I [TS]

  worry that Kamala to hear they've got so [TS]

  many different ventures titles that you [TS]

  know the the core group of that is the [TS]

  three young heroes and then it's like [TS]

  the new Thor and the new captain america [TS]

  the Falcon but it will be interesting to [TS]

  see what they do there because that that [TS]

  is the concern is that isn't you know [TS]

  now it's not Wilson writing Kamala Khan [TS]

  it's mark waid writing her and and she [TS]

  will have interactions with with Miles [TS]

  Morales which is great but it's not [TS]

  brian michael bendis writing Miles [TS]

  Morales it's mark waid writing Miles [TS]

  Morales so you know it could be good but [TS]

  it could also just be nice [TS]

  I don't it doesn't necessarily detract [TS]

  from the stories that we tell told [TS]

  elsewhere but it is that that you know [TS]

  it gives me gives me a little bit of [TS]

  pause i guess a bit of a pause because [TS]

  i'm kind of curious to see how how or if [TS]

  Mark Waid treats Kamala's background and [TS]

  her faith and her support system as [TS]

  relevant to herself as a character in [TS]

  his universe [TS]

  well if as a family kingdom come if [TS]

  you've ever wanted to see a mark waid [TS]

  comic with an alex ross cover that [TS]

  features Kamala Khan it is all new all [TS]

  different adventures number one which [TS]

  just came out so you can check that out [TS]

  and yeah it'll be interesting to see [TS]

  yeah it kind of goes back to what tony [TS]

  was saying earlier the the the author [TS]

  who can genuinely capture the feel of [TS]

  this team voice vs the author who you [TS]

  know has heard the words and tosses them [TS]

  in because that's what it sounds like [TS]

  one of the creators were work [TS]

  essentially g wilson being the creator [TS]

  of Kamala Khan being being I mean I like [TS]

  Miles Morales is a character a whole lot [TS]

  but he's not as good when it's not brian [TS]

  michael bendis because that's the guy [TS]

  who made Miles Morales he's the guy and [TS]

  you know it's funny that he appears [TS]

  elsewhere but it's not the same and [TS]

  that's my that's my concern about Kamala [TS]

  being run out elsewhere is that it's you [TS]

  know it's not Wilson doing it you know [TS]

  in the DC Universe I always feel the [TS]

  same way whenever I'm oracle or black [TS]

  canary are not written by gail simone [TS]

  because I don't get it she works so hard [TS]

  to be have this character and so so [TS]

  there's and that's actually an [TS]

  interesting discussion which is some [TS]

  whether or not your connection to [TS]

  characters rises and falls depending on [TS]

  his writing them you know I don't know [TS]

  because that was Peter David did the [TS]

  fantastic series X Factor investigations [TS]

  and the way here it's jamie madrox that [TS]

  whole series is really enjoyable and I [TS]

  have like that character before apple [TS]

  before or since like but the one peter [TS]

  david took him and and explain who he [TS]

  was and what he was doing and you know [TS]

  what drove him and what questions he [TS]

  grappled with and what meaning he's [TS]

  trying to write from his life [TS]

  it was really compelling and I'm sure we [TS]

  all have characters where you you know [TS]

  it just clicks with a certain writer and [TS]

  then when they pass it off again you're [TS]

  like okay this could be it [TS]

  no it's not with me but it also kind of [TS]

  worried about presumably i don't i don't [TS]

  know the author but like a presumably [TS]

  middle-aged man riding a teenage girl [TS]

  no you know I read every jessica jones [TS]

  and comics in the ugly or the lead-up to [TS]

  the Netflix series and alias in the [TS]

  pulse I had some really big problems [TS]

  about the way Jessica Jones was written [TS]

  and I think part of that was due to just [TS]

  like gender differences and I'd like I [TS]

  don't know what that says about me but [TS]

  I'm thinking okay part of what I really [TS]

  love about Kamala Khan is how accurately [TS]

  like kind of those those identity things [TS]

  I faced and were portrayed and you know [TS]

  things about like dating and boys and [TS]

  that kind of thing and it is is a guy [TS]

  going to be able to capture that because [TS]

  there are cultural differences you know [TS]

  between the way women and men for girls [TS]

  and boys and grow up and so that that is [TS]

  a concern I have [TS]

  well Wilson is not just a woman but [TS]

  she's Muslim and so she understands she [TS]

  is uniquely not well there are other [TS]

  Muslim comic book writers and their [TS]

  other women complicating there maybe [TS]

  even other Muslim women comic book [TS]

  writers I don't know offhand but she has [TS]

  a very special perspective that she's [TS]

  able to lend to come on jaan that I i'm [TS]

  mark weight is a is a good writer and he [TS]

  da and Marvel mean depending on how they [TS]

  do it in this maybe also one of those [TS]

  things where they're like you know talk [TS]

  to Willow about how you handle Kamala [TS]

  like she's yeah maybe the kind of brand [TS]

  steward for ms marvel like you need to [TS]

  talk to her you need to you know we're [TS]

  gonna check in with her and and if if [TS]

  they're doing it that way [TS]

  that's the right way to do it i think to [TS]

  make try to have her be consistent and [TS]

  handles right but it definitely is a [TS]

  concern when babies characters escape [TS]

  into the wider universe its it he's [TS]

  she's gonna be written by a 53-year old [TS]

  man who's who's got a great history with [TS]

  some a lot of the classic franchises and [TS]

  so perhaps this is seen as a vote of [TS]

  confidence where they like look mark [TS]

  wait did great things with with other [TS]

  with other titles like he did a lot of [TS]

  good work on the flash she's done great [TS]

  work with Superman j SI jala he even [TS]

  revive the [TS]

  Legion of super-heroes thank you yes he [TS]

  had a book like that very you know [TS]

  because he's done to us but very kitten [TS]

  that are pretty compelling and all that [TS]

  um that said one hopes he's grown since [TS]

  the days he wrote empire with Kitson and [TS]

  he depicted the teenage girl therein as [TS]

  a psychotic master because he did not [TS]

  have a bead on any of the female [TS]

  characters in that book whatsoever--like [TS]

  it's it's it's moderately interesting [TS]

  because the book is about oh what's life [TS]

  like under the regime of a supervillain [TS]

  has told from the supervillains [TS]

  perspective um but like there are [TS]

  teenage girls in that book is main [TS]

  characters and i remember reading it and [TS]

  thinking this is not like any teenage [TS]

  girl [TS]

  I have ever known or been admit you are [TS]

  you're like an alien who has come to [TS]

  this planet and tried to put together [TS]

  teenage girls and all you had for your [TS]

  source material or like to back copies [TS]

  of a sweet valley high series a Nancy [TS]

  Drew and good but so I really hope [TS]

  that's not the same as any other [TS]

  thoughts about Miss Marple other than I [TS]

  mean like I said at the beginning people [TS]

  should read it people should read all [TS]

  four volumes quite frankly my only one [TS]

  my wife is not it is not here because [TS]

  she's already fulfilled her contractual [TS]

  obligation to appear on one podcast and [TS]

  only one is a year and then trust me she [TS]

  doesn't that was she negotiated that [TS]

  down from a higher number two as low as [TS]

  i would allow it to go but she not a [TS]

  comic book reader lean I mean it's funny [TS]

  that you mentioned that Lauren has not [TS]

  been a cockroach never grew up with [TS]

  comic books and that's all the [TS]

  children's librarian she has tried to [TS]

  get into the graphic novel thing so she [TS]

  can be knowledgeable about that and she [TS]

  loves miss marvel absolutely loves it [TS]

  she's got vol.4 on you know on waiting [TS]

  for her at the library for the next time [TS]

  she drops in there it's a yeah yeah it's [TS]

  it so i think i think that's one of the [TS]

  great things about about this book and [TS]

  why people should pick a number is that [TS]

  it's a it's not it's a self-contained [TS]

  story it's not something you've seen [TS]

  before and it's really just executed so [TS]

  well and it's pretty [TS]

  can we talk about the hard for me let's [TS]

  do this yes oh my god Adrian telefona [TS]

  because i read the ship had showed me [TS]

  show me and told me to read like the [TS]

  first two or three issues some time ago [TS]

  and I didn't I was like yeah this is [TS]

  cool but life happens work happened and [TS]

  I didn't pick it up again until a time [TS]

  to read for the podcast and I read it [TS]

  earlier this week and it was enjoying it [TS]

  thoroughly and then I went back today [TS]

  and I was on ships ipad going panel by [TS]

  panel looking at all of the detail that [TS]

  Adrian alfano works into this story I [TS]

  don't know how much of it came from [TS]

  Wilson script I don't know how much of [TS]

  it was his imagine use the owl on the on [TS]

  the pier when she saves her her [TS]

  classmate check out the owl it is this [TS]

  adorable like miyazaki owl that has no [TS]

  reason to be there it's just yet and [TS]

  there there's so many things like that [TS]

  like the crowd scene with the kids all [TS]

  gathered on the waterfront you've got [TS]

  Warner Brothers dancing frog in the [TS]

  crowd there and it looks like Johnny [TS]

  Storm is there somebody who is on fire [TS]

  it looks like it's johnny storm is just [TS]

  hanging out in a corner would love it [TS]

  turns out Johnny Storm like it's a [TS]

  jersey city because you like really [TS]

  likes your mother or something [TS]

  yeah it's just you know all sorts of [TS]

  oddball things like that their little [TS]

  piggies in the last like the last volume [TS]

  i started looking and I'm like they're [TS]

  they're just random piggies like a guy's [TS]

  holding a pig under his arm movement in [TS]

  the background that I think it connected [TS]

  because there's the stuff in her room [TS]

  there she's gonna pick with wings [TS]

  stuffed animal she's got the stuffed [TS]

  porcupine with the Hulk hands and [TS]

  honored you know all kinds of things [TS]

  like that there's an ad in her dad's [TS]

  newspaper for GMOs the cereal and I'll [TS]

  yeah issue later there's a bong sitting [TS]

  there while she's eating it you know the [TS]

  consistency of all those details is just [TS]

  so much fun to look at and look for [TS]

  after you've read the book and yeah you [TS]

  go through it again that the signs in [TS]

  the windows [TS]

  you know like all these things about [TS]

  what is the wedding industry there's all [TS]

  these little bits and pieces about you [TS]

  know somebody in arranging Asian [TS]

  weddings because they're always [TS]

  advertising them it's just it's [TS]

  hilarious [TS]

  I think he also captures youthful energy [TS]

  really well because he was my favorite [TS]

  artists on the on the runaways and he [TS]

  manages to capture the kinetic feeling [TS]

  but of being a teenager in a really [TS]

  great way but what's amazing is I didn't [TS]

  read it and think oh this is the [TS]

  runaways this is Runaways art right it [TS]

  is not it it blew my mind was like a [TS]

  telephone is that the front always [TS]

  artist yeah [TS]

  and yet they don't it doesn't it doesn't [TS]

  look the same to me it doesn't see me at [TS]

  all and like I mentioned that whole [TS]

  kinetic you know the super stretching [TS]

  weird shapes and sizes of parts of her [TS]

  body issues exhibited her powers [TS]

  it's so it's it's not what we're used to [TS]

  seeing from comic book art at all and [TS]

  yet it is really it's fun and gets [TS]

  across what's going on with Kamala and [TS]

  her powers and if there were two issues [TS]

  and what we read done by a different [TS]

  artist James Wyatt I believe in the name [TS]

  Tom and he was the one responsible for [TS]

  the the ten i thought it was a tinted [TS]

  Maj the the tunneling up from the sewers [TS]

  her and Wolverine going through as the [TS]

  conversation flowed but he also had a [TS]

  neat trick [TS]

  we're just every once in a while you [TS]

  know the the art just completely goes [TS]

  goofy cartoony and it's all of all [TS]

  things come on his face or the [TS]

  characters face looks like an emoji yeah [TS]

  you can animate look and they're working [TS]

  away from the deformed yeah yeah yeah [TS]

  that's right it's not often enough to be [TS]

  annoying but every once in a while I [TS]

  think that's what helped make the book [TS]

  feel so fresh to is because it doesn't [TS]

  feel like classic comics it it feels [TS]

  very cosmopolitan in a sense a look at [TS]

  the visual influences you've cited by [TS]

  like you know [TS]

  anime emotion is Aoki I mean none of [TS]

  these have their roots in celbridge [TS]

  products and maybe it was one of the one [TS]

  of the matt fraction hawk-eye [TS]

  collections had a Hawkeye book comic [TS]

  that he didn't write in there like [TS]

  included in the collection and after [TS]

  reading something like that and then [TS]

  getting to the like the classic comic [TS]

  book art with the like super anatomical [TS]

  detail of the like listening muscles and [TS]

  stuff it's like it's it's really jarring [TS]

  and I don't I don't I don't like it [TS]

  anymore so yeah I guess I was gonna talk [TS]

  to a stop to the local commonplace and I [TS]

  was talking with the person behind the [TS]

  counter we were talking about like how [TS]

  dramatically are the art comic art in [TS]

  general seems to have changed like in [TS]

  the last two decades but to get to miss [TS]

  marvel this doesn't scan like again like [TS]

  classic marvel art and i like how Kamala [TS]

  is in no way shape or form sexualized [TS]

  and um yeah and again I came up reading [TS]

  x-men and New Mutants through the [TS]

  eighties and nineties and even as a [TS]

  teenager like you know and mind reading [TS]

  about other teenagers they were drawn [TS]

  like full-grown developed women and it [TS]

  got a little weird every once in awhile [TS]

  because you have over 90 kitty pryde you [TS]

  can't go into battle and like there she [TS]

  is and what basically amounts to a [TS]

  bathing suit and knee-high boots go [TS]

  ahead and and she looks like barbarella [TS]

  just like why not and you know it's it's [TS]

  the the art feels really fresh and very [TS]

  cosmopolitan and [TS]

  I i think it adds to the overall [TS]

  relatability the story like i can see [TS]

  myself giving these these trades to [TS]

  people who don't read comics at all i'm [TS]

  going to seriously this is really [TS]

  presented beautifully [TS]

  what do you think well I really sucked [TS]

  me and I've never really read comics i [TS]

  have written about it i haven't had [TS]

  growing up I didn't have the opportunity [TS]

  to read them they just weren't sold they [TS]

  weren't in my local library like it was [TS]

  for boys right like it was just [TS]

  implicitly for boys and where I grew up [TS]

  and so I never and then I got into you [TS]

  know my twenties and thirties and I was [TS]

  like it's too much work like their [TS]

  devices heart and so I never did you [TS]

  know it's just like I have other things [TS]

  to do i'm not even gonna bother with [TS]

  this so i started and well i started [TS]

  with alias in the pulse so it's really [TS]

  just been since the beginning of sep [TS]

  tember and I don't want to disclose how [TS]

  much I've spent on comics since then but [TS]

  later yeah yeah yeah it started with a [TS]

  release in the pulse and then i read [TS]

  miss marvel and I just sucked it down I [TS]

  was like this is amazing and now i'm [TS]

  circling around and I've been reading a [TS]

  captain marvel today every like 20 [TS]

  issues for Captain Marvel today things [TS]

  marvel unlimited of it so you can put [TS]

  the art style i'm reading it and i'm i'm [TS]

  i'm looking at the 2012 and 2012 run is [TS]

  what I'm reading right now so it's like [TS]

  and you know Carol Danvers in this like [TS]

  bodysuit and she's got like these really [TS]

  prominent abs and very well-defined [TS]

  boobs and I'm like welcome to comics [TS]

  yeah that's gross in it it's like it's a [TS]

  it's an interesting story but I'm [TS]

  finding I find myself that i'm not but i [TS]

  find myself not looking at the art very [TS]

  much [TS]

  oh it's you find a book illustrated by [TS]

  great land no don't you know and it yeah [TS]

  i mean the story's great I i find that [TS]

  i'm really loving Kelly Sue's writing so [TS]

  you have read but all the run of bitch [TS]

  planet so far and like am really into it [TS]

  and I just can't look at the art and and [TS]

  I know that is vastly improved from you [TS]

  know before the before times long long [TS]

  ago but it's just weird and everybody [TS]

  just I don't know it's another thing I [TS]

  really love about miss marvel [TS]

  yeah i agree the incomparable this week [TS]

  is also sponsored by us our t-shirt sale [TS]

  is continuing the Zeppelin and the [TS]

  about are on sale until februari 4 2016 [TS]

  go to the incomparable calm / shirt for [TS]

  links before we go I let's do a quick [TS]

  round of what you're reading a lien [TS]

  we've heard I think everything that [TS]

  she's been reading record but if there [TS]

  are any comics that are out there that [TS]

  you'd like to recommend to people before [TS]

  we go I think this would be a great time [TS]

  Shannon you have anything else that [TS]

  you're that you're reading right now i [TS]

  just bought Sandman overture but the [TS]

  hardback came out yesterday i've read [TS]

  like the first four issues and then we [TS]

  lost track and like didn't buy a couple [TS]

  so I'm looking forward to reading that [TS]

  next [TS]

  alright Lisa what are you what are you [TS]

  reading that's interesting and worth [TS]

  people checking out as as people have [TS]

  heard out many times I came up on Marvel [TS]

  and i'm reading over Tony send or tell [TS]

  me to read right now frankly I was like [TS]

  oh man please don't say the things that [TS]

  like I told you read and now i can't say [TS]

  i have nothing [TS]

  lisa is dangerous no it was at least I [TS]

  only read the things you tell me to read [TS]

  by the ideas coming the gift of the magi [TS]

  situation crazy [TS]

  let's see I think I've read about the [TS]

  wicked the divine before so I'm eagerly [TS]

  awaiting the next trade compilation for [TS]

  that and i finally got my last trade for [TS]

  Hawkeye was a real Broadway it's called [TS]

  yeah and so finishing out that series [TS]

  and i really love how that ended and i'm [TS]

  kelly and that put on your list Hawkeye [TS]

  yeah okay i think he was going to visit [TS]

  me because i have a library of all of [TS]

  these before but I i seriously okay [TS]

  so-so the cmn series was on sale [TS]

  comiXology so i spent 72 dollars buying [TS]

  that [TS]

  that [TS]

  lake that's a habit as a bargain that is [TS]

  very I'm that'sthat's that wasn't in the [TS]

  budget i'm kind of out of control with [TS]

  comics now i need to adjust intervention [TS]

  you know what yeah you got into the [TS]

  wrong way to like it's 10 $72 to make [TS]

  myself a better person I would have [TS]

  already read can't do that again and I [TS]

  paid way more than 70 have the fancy [TS]

  hard books that are like seventy dollars [TS]

  each [TS]

  yeah my wish list for a really long time [TS]

  and then this happened and answers like [TS]

  a Mayan and you will get said what what [TS]

  I just do it please let us all enable [TS]

  you because you're awful you were not [TS]

  and I really appreciate it thank you [TS]

  if you need to put in writing letters so [TS]

  what super funny is that and I i watch [TS]

  out the classic my growl run is coming [TS]

  out slowly and trade paperbacks now and [TS]

  so I'm up to like trade paperback number [TS]

  4 on that as well that has the hyper [TS]

  realistic anatomically detailed [TS]

  everybody looks like mr. universe some [TS]

  contestants are two it combined with [TS]

  nineteen eighties aesthetics but it's [TS]

  interesting because he had tried to [TS]

  write a book which is basically what [TS]

  happens if you have a couple vigilantes [TS]

  who have become kind of psychologically [TS]

  damaged by being vigilant days there d [TS]

  powered and they're living in seattle [TS]

  um and it was it such an egg's [TS]

  comparatively exotic setting and a [TS]

  pretty wild premise for the nineteen [TS]

  eighties and I i'm really enjoying this [TS]

  series [TS]

  um you know it's it's sort of the same [TS]

  thrill you get if you read a book that [TS]

  defined a decade [TS]

  you know like you go and you rebellion [TS]

  the dolls like oh my god son of the late [TS]

  sixties makes so much sense on the [TS]

  picture and this is like that for comics [TS]

  Tony what are you reading us so i would [TS]

  probably start to read [TS]

  yes but what we've talked about about [TS]

  Batman indeed i think some of that I [TS]

  don't know maybe that all gets edited [TS]

  out of that are Flashman yeah he will [TS]

  talk okay alright i recently read a I [TS]

  think the first three or four volumes of [TS]

  the new secret avengers which is there's [TS]

  there's a lot of different secret [TS]

  avengers and it's one of those things [TS]

  where they keep starting over [TS]

  yeah but the author for the ones i like [TS]

  is i [TS]

  khat KO tea and their their wacky i like [TS]

  i like superhero comics irie Batman and [TS]

  then I like things that don't take [TS]

  themselves too seriously like a balance [TS]

  it out and secret avengers is very wacky [TS]

  so it's you know sometimes it's trying a [TS]

  little too hard to be a fraction Hawkeye [TS]

  it's you know it's not there but it's [TS]

  still it's it's wacky and fun and I like [TS]

  it [TS]

  alright I got a I got a couple I i I've [TS]

  read I've enjoyed a couple issues of the [TS]

  the newest again because Marvel's [TS]

  recounting with from number one again [TS]

  the newest guardians of the galaxy [TS]

  series because it features Kitty Pryde [TS]

  and Ben Grimm which means that pretty [TS]

  soon they're going to be celebrating [TS]

  space Hanukkah very excited and that is [TS]

  literally brian michael bendis finally [TS]

  has executed on his plan to have [TS]

  Marvel's most prominent Jewish [TS]

  characters team up together and I think [TS]

  it's actually pretty cool and they're in [TS]

  space saving space invincible which lisa [TS]

  turned me onto a million years ago has [TS]

  had an enjoyable story arc that's about [TS]

  that's two-thirds of the way through now [TS]

  called reboot ? where the main character [TS]

  gets get its starting an issue 124 where [TS]

  the main character gets sent back to [TS]

  issue one of his own comic book except [TS]

  he remembers everything that's happened [TS]

  in the last hundred and twenty-three [TS]

  issues and so he tries to prevent the [TS]

  events of a hundred and twenty-three [TS]

  issues ago from happening and and it's a [TS]

  great knowing parody on comic book [TS]

  reboots and also a fun story where with [TS]

  where we get to go back to the beginning [TS]

  knowing what we know now and it's a [TS]

  Robert Kirkman just I love it supports [TS]

  my favorite superhero comic is great and [TS]

  this reboot thing is a really fun and [TS]

  really fun storyline and the other ones [TS]

  I mentioned least mention wicked in the [TS]

  divine i just finished vol.2 of that I [TS]

  have some issues with it but I i decided [TS]

  that i really want to know what happens [TS]

  next I think that's a good sign that I [TS]

  that I care about it's got some some [TS]

  things that I'm like yeah I don't really [TS]

  I'm not really sure why that's in there [TS]

  i think i think i'm picking up on Karen [TS]

  Gillan's tix and he's gotten tix that I [TS]

  don't particularly appreciate but [TS]

  overall I i think it's i think it's fun [TS]

  and weird and and I like that about it [TS]

  and total uh sort of friend of the [TS]

  podcast watch i just finished volume 2 [TS]

  of the fuse by our friend and [TS]

  incomparable podcaster anthony johnson [TS]

  which is a the best the best space where [TS]

  you can read today it is really [TS]

  enjoyable space station mystery cop you [TS]

  are exactly right it's not really funny [TS]

  and so I think if you read killin [TS]

  McKelvey's phonogram which is about [TS]

  music and witchcraft and magic all of a [TS]

  sudden a lot of things and we can divine [TS]

  make a lot more sense because there they [TS]

  basically mind the same themes and they [TS]

  go into different directions with the [TS]

  two books and monogram is is is great [TS]

  especially for people who lived through [TS]

  the music scenes of the issues in height [TS]

  it is and um i will i will create a [TS]

  wicked and divine uh that uh the way [TS]

  it's constructed not only does every [TS]

  issue have a very great ending point the [TS]

  trades have fantastic the trades are [TS]

  broken at the big plot twists yeah [TS]

  really doesn't they do a very good job [TS]

  with that and the way it's structured [TS]

  where it's this pantheon of gods and you [TS]

  move through them one by one and it's a [TS]

  it's a very certainly ambitious and I [TS]

  like the ambition even though there's [TS]

  some things that bug thing might [TS]

  actually have two more and can i just [TS]

  want to take bailey what else have you [TS]

  read yeah yeah yeahs the unbeatable [TS]

  squirrel girl which I don't think is [TS]

  super awesome but I think it's pretty [TS]

  awesome and what I really like about [TS]

  that is she problem solvers rather than [TS]

  just hitting things like she hits things [TS]

  and then she's like wait what's another [TS]

  way we can approach this problem so I'm [TS]

  so yeah she sends one guy who's off to [TS]

  attack you know he's like I'm super [TS]

  strong and I can kill anything she's [TS]

  like well what about all these ocean [TS]

  things like the Leviathan and so he like [TS]

  goes to the ocean to attack them instead [TS]

  of people and so things like that i [TS]

  think are pretty cool and then gym and [TS]

  the Holograms is actually really really [TS]

  good really good [TS]

  ok I i'm ok i'm going to fill in and say [TS]

  444 my for my lovely wife she would like [TS]

  to endorse a lumberjanes as well which [TS]

  is allied with the first rain it was [TS]

  really fun at all Stevenson who did Mona [TS]

  which is fantastic if you haven't read [TS]

  Mona Mona now available as a book on [TS]

  paper after living its life as a [TS]

  webcomic and then to that I got [TS]

  recommended to me that i want to give [TS]

  kind of a quick a quick reaction to [TS]

  so-so paper girls it's set in and 1988 [TS]

  and there's a there's a it's a they plug [TS]

  it as a standby me meets war of the [TS]

  worlds [TS]

  I thought it was okay kinda interesting [TS]

  see what he's trying to do with it [TS]

  didn't didn't love it but i liked it i [TS]

  also had we stand on guard recommended [TS]

  to me which also is bryan cave on and [TS]

  this is about a dystopian future where [TS]

  the United States has destroyed Canada [TS]

  but Canada is fighting back as they have [TS]

  resistance cells in the future and I [TS]

  don't I didn't like it i thought i [TS]

  wasn't very good and i don't recommend [TS]

  it so look there's me being mean it's [TS]

  good it's good to when authors swing and [TS]

  a Miss it's good to do that to ya [TS]

  Frankie von he's busy he's putting stuff [TS]

  out there he's not just doing saga he's [TS]

  got a lot of stuff going on [TS]

  I'm glad you talked about we stand on [TS]

  guard because i was intrigued by the [TS]

  premise and now I know to Justin to cool [TS]

  my jets on it for a while the first few [TS]

  pages of it like wow this is going to be [TS]

  amazing and then you get to the end with [TS]

  the actual story is more like an I [TS]

  always I was ya know so much but the the [TS]

  other one is more fascinating because it [TS]

  is an eighties nostalgia trip kind of [TS]

  thing and that's kind of interesting but [TS]

  and it's a it's like stand by me except [TS]

  all the characters are our girls not [TS]

  boys so that that's an interesting paper [TS]

  girl's gonna get paper they got a paper [TS]

  route they got here that says it's from [TS]

  the paper oh alright well I think we've [TS]

  done enough damage for one for one [TS]

  episode and it's been fun to talk about [TS]

  this tomorrow will be interesting to see [TS]

  where she goes next we'll have to be [TS]

  watching we're going to keep our ride [TS]

  expressed her [TS]

  yep alright i'd like to thank my panel [TS]

  for joining me in a completely other [TS]

  order that is not draft related at all [TS]

  Shannon center thank you so much for [TS]

  being here [TS]

  absolutely it's a pleasure Lisa [TS]

  Schmeisser thank you i had a great time [TS]

  with everybody [TS]

  this was fun we'll have to do it again [TS]

  what what we read next we'll have to [TS]

  figure that out only in Sims thanks for [TS]

  being here thanks for having me and I'm [TS]

  sorry that we are costing you so much in [TS]

  comics [TS]

  no not not only mildly sorry [TS]

  and we're friends not accounts sorry [TS]

  that's true that's true and Tony [TS]

  sindelar thank you [TS]

  a pleasure goodbye nerds goodbye nerds [TS]

  and I well I'll second that notion [TS]

  thanks to everybody out there for [TS]

  listening to be uncomfortable we will [TS]

  see you next time [TS]

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