The Incomparable

00:00:04 ◼   ► the entire article number 286 februari [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► uncomfortable i'm your host Jason L we [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► are going to talk about something a [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► little different for us this is in the [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► realm of musical theater [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► I know I know who would have thought but [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► it's at least it's science fiction music [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► nope it's not that [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► and it's also a musical theater that [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► none of us have actually seen so it's [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► essentially we're talking about an album [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► basically which is the two hours and 23 [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► minutes and 46 tracks of the original [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► broadway cast recording of a musical [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► called Hamilton by lin-manuel Miranda [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► which is taking many parts of the [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► culture by storm [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► it is a wild success it is hard to get a [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► ticket i believe our own Lex Friedman [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► for his birthday in november i think got [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► a ticket for September of the following [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► year to see it [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► yeah yeah it's hard it's a it's a it's a [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► tough ticket and the reason is because [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► it is spectacularly good and fun to [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► listen to and once you start you can't [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► stop [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► and it's much better than you might [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► expect that a musical that is largely [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► inspired by a biography of america's [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► first secretary of the Treasury might be [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► talking about this with me are the [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► following wonderful guests chipset earth [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► hello it was my understanding that this [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► was actually a historical doctor who [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► episode it could be just wait for it [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► um monte actually you can be my [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► right-hand man if Y is my favorite line [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► says device [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► ok David lower is here straight from the [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► theater in our dad later Jason yeah mhm [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► and serenity caldwell who's been [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► Hamilton a pretty pretty much [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► consistently for the last two months [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► I'm over 19 and my mind is older alright [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► well that works and story checks out [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► yeah seems seems to be rice yeah so [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► Hamilton any opening statements i read [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► in Siracusa here [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► oh my god it's gonna be a three hour [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► podcast and I have nobody to help us two [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► and a half hours go ahead I'll catch up [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► this should not be this thing should not [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► exist [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► this is impossible this is a simpsons [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► gag this is wrought me dr. Zaius stuff [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► and the piano anymore [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► of course you can well I didn't before [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► not to say stuff [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► dr. Zaius doctor is dr. Zaius doctors is [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► his previous [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► I love legitimate v8 I don't understand [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► how this wonderful thing can exist and [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► more to the point can be so good [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► there are few places in this musical [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► where I do get of a little bit of a [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► simpsons parody music vibe there are a [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► few lines that i think are kind of [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► clunkers where it's it's so on-the-nose [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► I'm like yeah okay i would laugh at [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► added if it were not surrounded by [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► brilliance but it is it is ninety-nine [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► percent brilliance and one percent kind [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► of cringe that just as Hamilton it's a [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► rap musical oh yes right yeah really [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► as somebody who is a huge musical [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► theater fanatic but not a big rap [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► hip-hop fan like i enjoy it casually but [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► I'm not the person who's like I know all [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► of these artists and i can i can rap for [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► I'm not a I'm not a female white rapper [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► surprised this show completely bowled me [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► over in such a weird way where I've been [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► hearing little bits of it i had been [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► hearing rumors and talk and like little [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► like Oh Hamilton Hamilton Hamilton [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► Hamilton and just kept on popping up in [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► why do you keep saying that will do you [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► answer [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► well and i was saying before before we [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► started you know I actually walked past [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► Hamilton started off broadway at the [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► public theater and I was in New York out [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► the second or third night that it began [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► running at the public and I remember [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► walking past the public and seeing these [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► big basically neon yellow of posters [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► that are like who lives who dies who [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► tells your story and then an outline of [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► hamilton and with Hamilton written in [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► big block letters at the bottom and I [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► remember looking at that being like [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► Hamilton maybe I don't maybe this is [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► like some artists that i don't know i'm [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► completely missing this this is weird i [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► saw people queuing I'm like well I could [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► find out what it is now I'm just gonna [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► keep on walking and that was my [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► experience with Hamilton for six months [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► where I was just like I kept on seeing [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► little bits to it alright see someone [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► mentioned oh I'm you know I tough an old [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► friend of mine from high school is in [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► the cast of hamilton and I was like oh [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► that's really cool maybe i'll go get in [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► get some time and then I then there was [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► the Ben Brantley is new york times [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► review was like mortgage your children [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► to see their food orders your house and [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► and that's not so Morgan wait for your [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► children yea it is was totally mortgage [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► my children to see this [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► yeah but that's a bit but so I was saw [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► that and I'm like what is the show [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► because i actually don't know and i [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► started reading I'm like oh that's [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► interesting a musical about Alexander [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► Hamilton and my mother came to visit me [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► in early September right after the show [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► had basically come to Broadway and I'm [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► like oh well maybe we'll maybe we'll [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► stand by for this musical and we'll get [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► tickets for we got tickets for [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► gentleman's guide to love and murder and [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► I'm like well maybe we'll also since the [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► matinee maybe we'll stand by for the [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► evening show and we walked by just to [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► see if they were doing a ham for ham [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► like do we walk by the richard rodgers [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► there are 700 people there and my just [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► drops because you know i'm an old school [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► musical theatre which is to say well not [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► old school like old-school for me [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► meaning i slept overnight to get tickets [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► for rent [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► like I remember the early rent lotteries [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► before Broadway had lotteries when run [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► was doing his touring cast and [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► everything else and and those lotteries [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► were you know they were verb like it [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► inspiring and exciting but it was like a [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► hundred and fifty people and to see 700 [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► people crowding as close as possible to [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► this little theatre and then later to [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► see all the him for hams as soon as we [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► got in the car after going to see a [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► gentleman's guide to love and murder [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► which was a fabulous show i immediately [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► bought the Hamilton soundtrack and I'm [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► like all right I'm just gonna listen to [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► it because someone says it's sung [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► through so it's kind of like you know [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► you can enjoy it like you might leave [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► mrs. so I'm just gonna do it and so I [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► started the Hamilton soundtrack at the [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► start of the new york drive and I [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► finished it at 1i am at the at the end [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► of my driveway literally i finished two [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► lives who dies who tells your story as i [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► was pulling up into into our driveway [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► and opportunity to solve every minute [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► yeah exactly because i was just like [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► what the first what is [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► this what is this entire that has made [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► me feel so emotions so many emotions and [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► I'm so confused on why why why is this [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► suddenly become all i can think of about [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► for the next you know week and that was [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► that was this that was the impetus for [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► me like getting obsessed about Hamilton [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► is I just listen to this thing and I [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► immediately want to listen to it again [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► and then every time someone brought it [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► up for the next three four and now [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► anytime someone talks about Hamilton I'm [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► like I need to listen to the song [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► soundtrack again which is crazy when a [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► friend of mine asked me on social media [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► you know why why are people into this i [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► don't understand this and i said it is [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► fantastic it's only yeah it's andy and [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► not cause fault that I'm into this thing [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► because he tweeted about the the sale [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► that Google Music add that was they were [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► selling it for two dollars to stinking [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► dollars yeah we're afraid that he used [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► so I get in I go nuts and this friend [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► asked me why is everybody talking about [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► Hamilton it's just that good here's the [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► show and she's response wait [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► people are getting this crazy over a [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► cast album people haven't been able to [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► see it yet it's just the castle [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► yes you're just that good some very good [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► cast album Hamilton the quality of the [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► Hamilton cast our has been really [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► inconvenient for me because a few months [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► ago i said i am out of touch with what's [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► going on Broadway because i live in [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► Seattle and broadway lives in New York [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► like a jerk [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► apologies to anybody who lives in New [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► York is not a jerk so I started a blog [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► Broadway away dot com on the grounds [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► that i live away from broadway and I [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► said what I'm going to do is I'm going [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► to catch up on broadway and we learn [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► everything about Broadway I'm gonna know [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► what's happening and there's all these [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► cast albums on spotify which is great it [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► was gonna say alright what have I missed [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► I don't really know what happens in [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► passions i dunno what happens in [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► passions but that's that sort of thing [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► so I'm just gonna listen to a whole [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► bunch of cast albums read books and know [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► what's going on [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► the problem is i just listened to [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► Hamilton over and over and over and over [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► again and I have to stop messaging know [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► you need to give Sunset Boulevard [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► another truck is a song of Sunset [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► Boulevard and you know right back into [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► Hamilton over and over and over and over [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► again it's tough it's tough at the [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► fascination to I mean we we we've said [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► it is about a guy that a lot of people [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► have never even heard of when we [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► mentioned Hamilton on Twitter are in [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► regards to this show and some other [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► stuff that we've been working on [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► I've heard from a bunch of people [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► outside of the united states who have no [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► idea not only what the show is but who [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► this person is [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► Americans would probably know hamilton [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► from him being on the ten-dollar bill [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► and from that got milk ad probably the [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► who shot Alexander Hamilton in that [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► famous duel board and yet [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► lin-manuel Miranda while on vacation [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► with his honeymoon you might have been [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► trying since anyone he he read the book [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► Alexander Hamilton by ron chernow which [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► is a a long but good book about a [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► biography of Alexander Hamilton they [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► have now put a Hamilton logo on it [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► because you know marketing like putting [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► tom cruise on the cover of of the firm [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► War of the Worlds sure [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► ok now major of broadway cast recording [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► and the point of Miranda was he wanted [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► to tell the story of this a lesser-known [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► character from the American Revolution [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► and also i think really appreciated the [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► the source of Hamilton which is that he [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► was an immigrant famously as the show [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► starts you know he is his father left [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► his mother died he ended up at a very [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► young age sea first I've seen awful [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► conditions and squalor in the Caribbean [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► and then eventually proving his worth as [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► a as a brilliant young worker and people [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► pulled their money and sent him to get [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► an education on the mainland and that [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► that's how that's how he starts and in a [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► very short amount of time because he's [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► in the right place at the right time [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► with his incredible gifts he becomes a [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► key figure in the American Revolution [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► and the aftermath [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► it's a great story and I think met [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► Miranda's thought was I can't believe [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► nobody's really told this story so so he [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► took it upon himself to to do it and he [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► does it in a whole bunch of different [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► musical styles it is [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► kind of unfair to say that this is a [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► hip-hop musical it's a lot of different [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► styles including a lot of hip-hop you [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► know that but there's there's other [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► styles too i think you you don't give [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► him enough credit he's he's playing with [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► thought with all the parts are absent a [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► Swedish british pop and classic musical [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► theater style and even you know touches [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► of gilbert and sullivan so much so much [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► its yeah I have so many friends who work [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► in New York theater and and even at the [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► public theater that this has been on [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► unlike the edges of my radar for like [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► two or three gears now and so when it [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► first started the the workshop [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► performances and the first run at the [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► public theater before Broadway back when [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► they didn't they weren't I mean they [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► were hoping to go to Broadway but they [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► you know there was no concrete plan at [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► that point and even at that point the [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► the people I knew who worked there the [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► people who went to see it said oh my god [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► this is the next thing and you know and [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► and by the time I had a chance to go [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► there was no way in hell I was gonna get [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► a ticket for it [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► even with all these friends because the [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► demand was so great [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► Hamilton gets in the news now pretty [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► much every two weeks or something [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► it's great was on a leash yeah exactly [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► it's been on the all the late night [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► shows lin-manuel Miranda has gotten to [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► show off how ridiculously good he is at [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► freestyle rapping you don't pretty much [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► every show Chris Christopher Jackson was [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► on The Today Show like three days ago [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► just talking about his uh his [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► experiences I don't know there's [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► something it's it's a confluence of [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► factors right it's that the music is I'm [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► amazing blend of so many different [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► styles and types of of musical theater & [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► hip-hop of rap rock you know of all of [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► basically a hundred years of music [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► smushed into this beautiful thing for [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► all the talk about how it's a [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► revolutionary show and I think in many [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► ways it is if it's also very much in the [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► traditional musical theater I mean rap [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► has been on Broadway for decades Stephen [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► Sondheim head wrapping into the woods [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► and I mean Gilbert and Sullivan was the [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► prototype wrap on in musical theater if [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► you think about it yeah i am the very [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► model of a modern major-general is [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► totally rap it's just wrap done very [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► fast and very much you know it's [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► monosyllabic to a tune rather than just [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► monosyllabic freeform like lin-manuel [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► Miranda has had worked with some time [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► and you can tell from him from ham how [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► big a musical theater nerd this guy is [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► what i think is really special about [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► Hamilton aside from the music and the [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► orchestration by the way if you if you [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► want a new way to listen to Hamilton [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► listen with an ear guided towards the [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► orchestrations because the [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► orchestrations are brilliant and a [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► wonderful kala like they're callbacks [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► and callbacks when callbacks and really [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► smart things and banjos and weird weird [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► a little bits on a synthesizer and [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► banjos yes banjos but besides the music [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► which is wonderful [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► besides the fact that lemon wall miranda [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► is a very very talented composer and an [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► actor I the entire cast [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► there's such an energy from the show [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► from the people who are promoting it [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► which are really the on that you know on [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► the line cast members in some ways it [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► feels very high school theater in a [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► strain it's the most high school theater [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► show on Broadway there is a really good [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► take everybody so delighted to be part [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► of it like these these actors are [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► getting paid for it but their happiness [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► that's one of the things that's been [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► fascinating to me about it that right [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► now as we're speaking this weekend [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► there's the new Broadway con it's like [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► they're trying to do a comic con for [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► Broadway and the first thing then [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► everyone is talking about Hamilton and [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► and someone online brought up you know [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► the great thing about Hamilton is the [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► colorblind casting and someone else [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► immediately went it's not colorblind [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► that was intentional [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► yeah right yeah hardwood part of the [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► beauty of the ham for him shows is that [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► it is showing that it's not just a [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► gimmick these cast members love musical [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► theater and and they they are deeply [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► talent that they do more than just [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► what's in hand [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► let me take a break to tell you about [TS]

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00:16:24 ◼   ► you think I need to get some more sleep [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► but I've been staying up late I had [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► stuff to do you know when I lay down on [TS]

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00:16:47 ◼   ► in the end it is the most comfortable [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► mattress that i have ever slept on and [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► i'm not kidding and they are not paying [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► you say that part that is actually the [TS]

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00:17:02 ◼   ► knowing about it [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► putting out a lot of money and then [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► getting it being disappointed [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► don't worry about it they delivered to [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► you you can try 400 days so it's been [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► three months sleeping on it and if [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► you're not happy they will pick it back [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► up take it away and give you your money [TS]

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00:17:16 ◼   ► the story you might lay down for five [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► minutes and it's not gonna tell you [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► anything about how comfortable the [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► mattresses with Casper you can sleep on [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► it literally they'll let you sleep on it [TS]

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00:17:31 ◼   ► compare that to the mattress industry [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► prices that's a pretty great price point [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► and of course you're going to get fifty [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► dollars toward any purchase by going to [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► Casper calm / smell and using code smell [TS]

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00:17:45 ◼   ► much to Casper for sponsoring the [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► incomparable well there are a couple of [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► other reasons that I think that this is [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► that this is struck such a court in [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► addition to what y'all have said up [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► lin-manuel Miranda makes a big deal [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► about how the whole point of the casting [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► and the music choices and things like [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► that is to just utterly remove the [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► distance between us in 2016 [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► and the time of Hamilton 1776 and all [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► that stuff [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► it's using its it's doing an incredible [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► job of translating history into [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► something that we can just this really [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► enjoy there's some it's not quite call [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► and response but there's a level of [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► audience participation [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► I understand in the theater during this [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► show they had to add extra bars the to [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► the to the song on what to win or your [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► world turned upside down when lafayette [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► and Hamilton say immigrants we get the [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► job done and give each other a high-five [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► add more bars because the audience is [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► too busy laughing nobody will hear the [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► next the next bit so i think that that [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► accessibility is really important to why [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► this thing's taken off and also you know [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► talk about viral use of social media [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► everything from lin-manuel Miranda at [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► the White House on youtube to his [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► constant tweets and the and the ham for [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► him phenomenon all this other stuff they [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► are doing everything right to just sort [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► of i rly get into your head to the point [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► that i worry about a backlash someday [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► that it just gets so big that people get [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► just sick and tired of it and maybe it [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► doesn't have a long shelf life is it [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► might because of just saturation well it [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► is it is the most pre-sold show in [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► Broadway so it's going to run for a [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► while at least it's sold out through [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► october like to state the obvious if you [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► look at the guys who were actually you [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► know the actual Washington the actual [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► Madison the actual Jefferson the actual [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► hamilton from where we are now in 2016 [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► they all look pretty much identical [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► they're all white guys and powdered wigs [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► and buckling shoes and you can tell it [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► between them and the guys in England the [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► hated upper-class who's keeping them [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► down so casting people that look and [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► talk more like America does i think is a [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► really good way of letting you identify [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► with the scrappy underdog because if you [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► saw the actual Hamilton saying I'm young [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► scrappy and hung [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► re you go no one in a powdered wig is [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► scrappy yeah well and it also breaks you [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► out of that assumption of you know oh [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► well as Thomas Jefferson or you know [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► like you look at 1776 everybody looks [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► very stereotypically like the picture [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► books and you know and the music is very [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► formal it was kind of dated even when it [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► was new [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► you know and william davis has a British [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► accent still and and this you know it's [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► its vibrant its alive it jolts you out [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► of that sort of um nothing against Ken [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► Burns but it would that sort of Ken [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► Burns look at history right where it's [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► not still photographs and it's not the [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► preconceived notions and now you [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► actually listen to Thomas Jefferson this [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► was not a thomas jefferson i knew now [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► listen to it it's not that I've avoided [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► reading history but you know you never [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► think of Thomas Jefferson as being an [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► unsympathetic character or being wrong [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► sometimes right easy spencey animal [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► jefferson and more of the geography of [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► the American Revolution and so right [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► everybody's great and they'll get along [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► and it's all I mean that the line about [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► the it's very nice in the in the rap [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► battle was a real nice declaration the [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► president running or would you like to [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► join us a stinging nettle to reply but [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► the heavens you're doing monticello it [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► yet there's so much [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► um embedded in that because it is [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► talking not only about Sally Hemings but [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► it's talking about his love of of [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► marijuana which is a fact about Thomas [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► Jefferson he smoked him all the time so [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► some really nice bits that the thrown [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► into the two humanizing yeah you've also [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► got these characters are pitted against [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► each other you need to see the [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► differences it's important to see the [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► differences Hamilton story is kind of [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► his differences with everybody around [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► him [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► yeah i like the way lin-manuel Miranda [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► although his is really making history [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► come alive he's also not afraid to just [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► shamelessly cut corners it will improve [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► the narrative because um yeah his most [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► important goal is to tell the story that [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► works so for instance you have Hamilton [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► blasting Jefferson for being [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► a slaver and then turning to his best [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► friend George Washington yeah yeah [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► yep of you will be familiar to me the [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► you know the order in which the sisters [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► met Hamilton it was not at all real [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► how about my father has no son and [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► sisters had no sons is not accurate and [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► the fact is that they are at the moment [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► in the play when Hamilton you know this [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► is one of the other notable things about [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► Hamilton is that he was the first kind [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► of american politician to be bitten by a [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► sex scandal and that's detailed in this [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► in this play but he the way it works in [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► the narrative is at that point his wife [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► basically walked away from him and it's [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► a very modern take on that relationship [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► but in fact during that whole period [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► where they are seen as being basically [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► it's implied that their part in the [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► musical they were still having kids so [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► you know that's not particularly [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► accurate either but it's all in service [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► of the of the big story here and and [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► criticism of of missing some of the [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► details sort of mrs. the big picture [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► one of the nice things about it too is [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► and we sort of touched on it the last [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► time we talked about it is the idea that [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► you know this is all a flashback that [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► bird starts out [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► introducing us to and so I went back and [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► listened to it with that in mind and and [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► so it is there is a concentration not [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► just on who lives who dies who tells [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► your story but specifically on [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► unreliable narrators getting details [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► wrong [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► Eliza taking herself out of the [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► narrative from hibernating all her [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► letters which they be no that's totally [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► made-up we don't know what she did we [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► don't know why those letters don't [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► survive but that is a gorgeous moment in [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► the show and then i have seen the [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► staging for that and it is amazing so so [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► it kind of it makes it okay to have cut [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► corners it sort of gives itself a [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► license to do that it's the intelligence [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► officers I energy what i know and i know [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► but but it just sort of baked in it's [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► not it's not just oh they did it let's [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► just say some of the people i put it [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► this way some of the people who [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► criticize the fact that characters who [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► aren't white or playing white characters [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► also criticized the musical because [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► it's not entirely accurate because [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► they're looking for things to complain [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► about in this in this story because you [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► know the fact that this is a political [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► this this story is political it is [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► political in many ways not just about [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► the politics of the past but the [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► politics of the present some people [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► don't really like that there are a lot [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► of people have made a lot of money and [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► careers out of talking about the [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► intentions of the founding fathers and [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► Miranda like cherno at wants to get [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► people to know a founding father who had [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► some different ideas and that there's [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► complexity there and you can't just talk [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► about founders intent like certain [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► members of our Supreme Court do and and [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► it can be simplified quite a bit from [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► the reality of it so that that's all [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► part of the argument that's going on [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► here i think that lovely line that an [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► ensemble member tosses off when aaron [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► burr is campaigning for president and [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► says I i could I feel like I could have [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► a beer with me [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► yeah what I appreciate is that it seems [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► like miranda is first priority is [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► putting out a really entertaining show [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► with accurate history in it and I think [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► that's the correct order [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► yeah my great and it's interesting [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► enough i mean i was not dying to read or [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► unsure knows book and and I picked it up [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► in the bookstore and with this is a very [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► heavy book it is it's got tiny prints so [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► many pages and i can say from experience [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► more than once [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► it hurts when it falls on your nose when [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► you fall asleep reading is not a [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► reflection on the book it's really good [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► but it's heavy and and yet it was [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► interesting enough that i wanted to know [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► the rest of the details and I wanted to [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► know what was that excited him about it [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► so much I mean he says by the end of the [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► second chapter he was already figuring [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► out how to make it a musical you know [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► why [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► how did how did that happen so that's [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► why I picked it up and it is a good book [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► yeah it is it's a lots of interesting [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► details and the best part of it is [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► you're not just hearing a story about [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► history when you read that book but it's [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► also a story about you get the sense [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► that it's a story that hasn't been told [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► before that that cherno is in some ways [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► a character in that book because at [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► several points he points out that [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► there's information that is essentially [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► not been collected and collated and made [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► part of the overall narrative [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► until him essentially which is really [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► interesting yeah [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► Hamilton's initial thoughts were all [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► there was some sort of like the his [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► contemporaries who wanted to throw him [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► down even after he died and then there [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► were his family members who wanted to [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► build this other narrative about it and [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► then they were all the these documents [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► including things from the Caribbean that [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► nobody even nobody even found this for [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► ya and ensure no kind of put it together [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► and says look this guy's way more [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► interesting than anyone is giving him [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► credit for [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► well no one I think honestly no one no [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► one ever looked I mean you get this this [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► line in the opening song [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► his his enemies destroyed his rep [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► America forgot him and it's true and we [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► think Alexander Hamilton we think money [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► and dollars brown and father well [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► exactly what I don't think money we [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► think you on because it's the same thing [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► you know I saw the big short recently [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► which was a just a fantastic fantastic [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► book and a fantastic movie but they [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► basically say flat out and that feels [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► like yeah this stuff sounds really [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► boring [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► are you ready to go to sleep yet ok no [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► here's a model in a bubble bath to [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► distract you [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► it's the same thing it's like Alexander [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► Hamilton he deals with money he set up [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► you know banks and financial systems [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► beyond okay why is that interesting [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► let's let's talk about atoms because you [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► know Adams would really interest and [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► adams was at least a president which we [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► have here if you weren't a president and [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► you're not Ben Franklin who's the most [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► fascinating guy in the world [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► we don't care take that Jon Jay when I [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► was in school you know basically you got [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► he was the first secretary of the [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► Treasury he got shot us in a duel with [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► aaron burr he's on the ten-dollar bill [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► next and I mean the way the way history [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► was doled out to us and in high school [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► was pretty much you know okay the Civil [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► War you memorize the general for each [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► battle that's it right there was no [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► context there was no interest was just [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► like you know memorize this stuff and [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► take the test and you know I all that [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► stuff I learned on my own because I was [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► interested and now i'm watching my [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► fourteen-year-old going through the same [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► thing he doesn't like musicals he's not [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► interested in reading history books he [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► wants to know more because he fell in [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► love with the musical he wants he wants [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► his teacher to play it like maybe you [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► need to listen to this [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► so let me ask what what do you think all [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► of you are what is the what is the thing [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► that causes Hamilton to have the appeal [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► that it does to all of us we haven't [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► even seen the show to all the people who [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► are trying to see the show that people [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► who see the show and they love it you [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► know what what is what is the source of [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► of the appeal home [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► well three things i'm gonna claim 1 it's [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► super super catchy they say you need to [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► show that you can hum and I hum stuff [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► from this musical always all [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► yeah like if I'm in a line i am waiting [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► for it [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► it's an entire can of your worms it's [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► too can be [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► it's not the entire first act song after [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► song after song about how ya the first [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► act is it is staggering ya next it's a [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► genuinely interesting story about an [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► interesting guy who you'd heard of but [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► didn't know a lot about so as soon as [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► you've heard the album once you feel [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► like you know so much more about the [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► American Revolution which if you're [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► American is a very important event so [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► you can immediately be telling people oh [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► well George Washington's right-hand man [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► was Alexander Hamilton he had to write [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► his leverage for Washington because [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► Washington was so overwhelmed even wrote [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► washington famous farewell speech and [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► then they kind of start edging away from [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► they do with me I know dates now because [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► they're in Kachin times [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► yeah I only had two I was bluffing [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► alright time for a sponsor here on the [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► accountable you know I've got a lot of [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► feedback about the sponsor from our [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► previous episode it is unusual a little [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► bit for us it is a sponsor related to [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► panties and people are like really [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► panties [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► well you know did you not hear the ads [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► for underpants and for socks there maybe [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► who knows what other garments might be [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► coming next but this in particular it's [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► Valentine's season and this is a service [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► it is designed for people with women who [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► are your partners and you want to get [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► them something nice and this is a [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► subscription service it's called [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► enclosed and it is similar to those [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► subscription services that bring you [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► cool gadget or game or flowers or beer [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► every month but instead [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► yes this is panties for that special [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► woman in your life [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► they're not the usual kind they're very [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► nice their high-quality the idea here is [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► that she will love what she gets it [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► comes in a beautiful box there's a whole [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► kind of nice experience that goes along [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► with it some flower petals it's very [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► romantic [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► you can get 13 6 or 12 months [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► subscriptions to this and you can get it [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► just in time for valentine's day now [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► enclosed product is not cheap but when [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► we're talking about that special woman [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► in your life you wouldn't want cheap [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► would you know I didn't think you would [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► you'll thank me again go to inclose [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► lingerie calm / smell use code snail [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► during checkout you'll get twenty-five [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► dollars off any multi-month order [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► so encl OS e DLI nger I e.com that was a [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► little bit like Hamilton / smell with [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► the code smell to get twenty-five [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► dollars off any multi-month order thank [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► you to enclosed for sponsoring the [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► incomparable ran what's your what's the [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► source for you of why this works so well [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► I will go off what Monty was saying for [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► story because i really do think that [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► what is what caught me what caught my [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► boyfriend my parents who hate rap on [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► pretty much every thank you everybody i [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► know who is listen to the show is like [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► this is something special even people [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► who don't like musical theater don't [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► like rap don't like anything and I i do [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► think it's the don't like America don't [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► like to know those don't don't like [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► nothing there there anti-everything no [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► I'm it's this it's the the universal [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► connection there's something in this [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► story pretty much for everybody and the [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► songs you know the the album is very [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► well constructed that it does tell a [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► complete narrative which so few musical [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► scores you can really claim for you know [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► there's always like big leaps that you [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► have to make being like does that make [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► sense but this is a show this is a show [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► in itself but even if you listen to the [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► songs out of context they're still great [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► songs and he still tell a story you know [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► on hurricane is one of those great you [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► know examples of an act to sign that i [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► actually didn't initially like and then [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► the more I listened to it the more i [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► really really identified with oh this is [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► actually you know everybody everybody [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► can identify with that like I have I [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► have this one talent that can get me out [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► of situations and for some people is [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► writing for some people it's something [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► entirely different [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► but I don't know there's something [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► there's something just so special that I [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► feel like every everyone can identify to [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► the core values of the story the idea of [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► someone who just wants to you know wants [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► to make a name for themselves wants to [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► do something important [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► fresh off the boat yeah I literally yeah [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► i mean that that speaks to fresh [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► immigrants and honestly I mean for me [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► listening to it it it reminded me [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► a lot of like oh that's the the energy [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► that i missed that from being like I'm [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► not I'm not 22 anymore you know i'm 19 [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► i'm not like young scrappy and hungry [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► I've kind of settled a little bit and I [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► have sort of a step and a stagnant life [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► but I have a settled a good life but I [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► feel like Hamilton is the kind of show [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► you listen to to get you excited about [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► your life and what you could be doing [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► and other possibilities and living in [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► the greatest city in the world [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► I don't know it just there there are [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► parts of the show that put just the [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► biggest smile on my face and make me [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► remember like there's there's a world [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► full of possibilities just you wait [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► granted most of those possibilities turn [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► horrible in act two [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► but you're always just be the most Mario [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► exact to yeah exactly yeah maybe [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► Hamilton act 1 and not Hamilton back [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► into everything he ever not great [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► I i was thinking of when I was listening [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► to this I was thinking of lawrence of [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► arabia which again historical figure and [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► that that's that's a film with an [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► intermission and act 1 the first the [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► first half of lawrence of arabia so [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► spectacular ends on a high note and act [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► 2 while things kind of suck for Lawrence [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► inactive and I am I thought about and I [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► said well that's life right from [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► especially in these biographies of of [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► great people with amazing stories is [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► there's the Act one which is like here's [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► how they became famous and it's been all [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► great and then there's act 2 which is [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► like yeah and then what the the story [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► continues and it it gets complicated and [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► kind of sad after that but that's all [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► that's all part of the arc of the story [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► chip what for you what's the source of [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► of the appeal of Hamilton two parts one [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► is one is that very ark this is not [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► Hamilton's rockstar Hamilton's great [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► let's sing let's sing the praises of [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► Hamilton he's a hero all the way through [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► the end kind of story is he's almost all [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► I apologize for dragging Babylon 5 into [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► this business almost rolando he's almost [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► a Londo malaria character when we talk [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► about one broadway show without someone [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► bragging Babylon 5 into the guy i know i [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► know every time [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► Hamilton is his own worst enemy [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► absolutely me he can't stop himself he [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► can't shut up and he destroys himself [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► the fuel the fuel that makes him great [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► also destroys him that he liked is class [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► Greek tragedy structure exactly yeah [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► it's like and you know birds birds [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► advice to talk less smile more is [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► cynical but it's also not bad advice [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► sometimes yeah it's not bad when it [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► comes to self-preservation and Hamilton [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► has no interest in self-preservation and [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► that's what makes that character so [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► fascinating to watch you know you're up [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► there cheering with him at the Battle of [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► Yorktown and he just looks unstoppable [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► and you're just so full of energy and [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► then you watch him repeatedly screw up [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► it's not just a tragedy of things bad [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► things happening to him but he gives bad [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► advice to his son he goes nuts on John [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► Adams the fatalism I i think is a really [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► good point that in my shot he says I [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► imagine that so what's it feels more [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► like a memory [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► when's it gonna get in my sleep seven [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► feet ahead of me because he had come [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► into a run to let it be [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► is it like a beat without a melody never [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► thought I'd live past 20 where I come [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► from as many ask anybody in the fast and [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► we laugh reach from a blast we have to [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► make this moment last you have like it's [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► a match that from from Hamilton that his [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► life has started out so badly and he's [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► been surrounded by death that he doesn't [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► really expect to live and and when [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► Washington tells him eventually [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► all rights you want to fight got a [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► hunger was just like you when I was [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► younger it full of that disease and die [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► like a martyr yes [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► dying is easy young men living is hard [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► this is a moment of change but that mean [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► this is Hamilton's worldview and you see [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► it it he's not he's not living to [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► survive rewrite he's living to go out in [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► a in a burst of glory [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► yeah he wants he thinks up until that [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► moment he thinks the way to make his [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► legacy is to get there do something go [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► out in a blaze of glory and it that [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► morning [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► get it get put in the fight so he can [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► die a hero instead of being back at the [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► bank general Mercer got a street name [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► for ah mr. secretary mr. Byrd did you [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► hear the news about good old general [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► Mercer now you know come on street [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► yeah they renamed it after him the [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► Mersenne [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► legacy is secure sure you only had to do [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► is die that's a lot less work we ought [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► to give it a try just that would have [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► been easy wouldn't it [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► the other thing that really makes this [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► musical just hum is sometimes Hamilton's [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► not the most interesting character in [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► the show Aaron Burr oh yeah you know [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► these are two hugely flawed people and [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► they attacked life in completely [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► different ways but aaron burr is you [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► know the things that he wants you [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► understand why he wants them and as he [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► falls further and further behind [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► hamilton and and becomes almost unhinged [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► by the end you feel for him you know [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► that that man is not going to make an [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► orphan of my daughter you know that that [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► lines just sort of like desperately [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► screamed out you watch the intersection [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► between those two characters and that I [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► that may be the most propulsive force in [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► the in the whole thing maybe even beyond [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► the catchy songs think it's well it's [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► humanist right i mean there's there's [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► these these are real people they leap [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► off of the page and out of the song I [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► really great interview with the [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► descendants of Hamilton and burr hole [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► yes a descendant of hamilton and [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► ascended tuber are both friends and in a [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► boating club in New York which i think [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► is fascinating it by itself descended a [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► burr said she really didn't like Ron [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► charnos book because aaron burr is just [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► a villain in it but she loves Hamilton [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► because Burke comes off as more of a [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► rounded character like he's got [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► motivations in the musical that really [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► are explored in the book I think it's [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► fascinating [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► well in and lemon well Miranda mentions [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► that he had a couple of different books [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► to get first side and one of them i have [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► on a perennial bookmark list to to read [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► eventually this is that the heartbreak [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► of Aaron Burr which goes down that round [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► of the you know [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► wait for it is such a fantastic song on [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► the album because it really does detail [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► like this is this is trying to get [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► inside the head of someone who will [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► later become the villain [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► and like what what he what he cares [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► about and it comes down to death doesn't [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► discriminate in this insane to teach [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► break live with everyone guide coming [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► I'm willing to wait for it [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► that's supposed to be 20 25 year-old [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► bursting that but we also we look down [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► we have the privilege of knowing future [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► history and knowing that Theodosia dice [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► unspeakable young of stomach cancer and [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► knowing that his daughter dies lost at [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► sea [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► well I you could argue that this is all [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► I mean he's an audience proxy so berber [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► in many ways has access to the knowledge [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► of where of where this is all going [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► that's part of the story because he's [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► the damn fool who shot him right from [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► the start so this is he's telling that [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► story and so and so that makes it even [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► more at the whole conceit of having [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► aaron berger tell the story of Alexander [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► Hamilton is a great move and it leads to [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► a lot of interesting shading but it's [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► funny that you mention wait for it [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► because i would actually argue that's [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► one of those songs that if you take it [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► out of the context of the musical that [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► is a legitimately great song that is [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► just a great song and then in the [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► context of who's singing it and why he's [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► singing it and you could even argue in [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► some ways he's singing it [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► I mean describing everyone who has loved [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► him has died that's the Hamilton story [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► to when he comes to America is everybody [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► has died and he there's nobody left but [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► him these two men are both in this [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► position where they know you know [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► they've got nobody until they make their [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► own way [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► bern hamilton have the same story or the [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► same backstory in many ways and yet they [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► interact with the world and they're [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► they're they're they're shaped by those [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► stories in such different ways up [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► lin-manuel Miranda you know graduation [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► speeches you know grin when well Miranda [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► set for life on that circuit uh mom and [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► he did a great one where he told the [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► crop of college graduates you know that [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► wait for it and I'm going to take my [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► shot not going to throw not throwing [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► away my shot art like the the two [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► different ways to deal with life and [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► sometimes you have to do one sometimes [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► you have to do the other and it's [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► fascinating in this musical watching [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► when those strategies work for Hamilton [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► and burr and when they fail utterly [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► absolutely and not to nothing Darrell [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► too much but i would highly recommend [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► if after you've listened to the show if [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► people want to go see there's an [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► alternate version of wait for it [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► that was performed on Broadway does the [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► thing every year where they basically [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► get focus on stage and they did a [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► basically a very close to acoustic [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► version of wait for it based around all [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► of the recent murders that have been [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► going like the the black lives matter [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► movement and some of the other the the [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► recent mass shooting in San Bernardino [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► and it's it's chilling how you can take [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► a song that you know is very much in [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► context in the musical but this is this [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► is why i think that this musical is not [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► just like pop pop culture explosion and [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► will die in six months that it actually [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► has lasting meaning that you can take [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► you know you remove the first verse and [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► you take the rest of the dish the song [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► out of context you put it in a [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► completely different situation reminds [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► me a little bit of rents like will I [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► lose my dignity will someone care was [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► just these sort of haunting haunting [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► phrases that just stick in your head and [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► are useful for so many different [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► situations it's kind of interesting [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► contrast with rent and that rent has a [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► character who's obsessed with writing [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► one song before he dies that he might be [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► remembered a little whereas everyone in [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► Hamilton is doing these huge things that [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► are going to be in history books for [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► ever [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► no it's yeah I it's funny because i [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► don't think that you know I i went [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► actually after listening to Hamilton [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► about a gazillion times I'm like I want [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► to listen to you know things older [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► musical so I went back and listened to [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► blame is which is obviously a huge [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► inspiration for Hamilton in many ways [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► and also really like the French cousin [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► of Hamilton but i also went back in and [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► listened to rent and it was funny in [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► some ways where is like things that I [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► thought were endlessly clever as a you [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► know fourteen-year-old just discovering [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► rent i think are less clever now I love [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► run but let's let's cut rent a break [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► because of this it's essentially [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► unfinished I mean it was recently our [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► second it's brilliant for what it is [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► what it is an unfinished work but what [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► exactly and I don't [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► yeah I know I'm not downplaying don't [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► know i just i want to point out that i [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► mean i think that i think you're right i [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► I think brilliant but yet it has it has [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► the it but the energy is the same i [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► think that's what I was coming back to [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► is like the the energy and the [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► excitement and the love that the care [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► that the cast felts and just that the [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► the the buzz it was something different [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► it was something special there are some [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► clunkers and rent probably would have [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► gotten smooth that probably so yeah but [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► there are a few clunkers in in there are [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► this one too it's not a perfect musical [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► but that's fine [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► perfect mother musical always always [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► enough something more to shoot for [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► I like a couple points what one is I'm [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► talking about that there's this idea in [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► this about these people in this place [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► you talk about you know all over the [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► place things are going to be remembered [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► throughout history [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► Cherno makes the point in his book that [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► he there's a whole interesting section [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► where he says that you may be asking [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► yourself what how how fortunate are we [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► that these people who had these ideals [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► and these approaches were in this place [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► at this time right the greatest city in [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► the world which is totally just sucking [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► up to the people who are we here in New [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► York City but I they the how how could [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► it be well you know it's so it's so [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► lucky and what your noses look at those [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► people are always around [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► it's only they're only useful during a [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► revolution [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► they're always around but during a [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► revolution [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► those are the people who end up [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► gravitating toward these things because [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► they're the right people for that kind [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► of moment other in another time they [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► might be a horribly frustrated person or [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► simply somebody that you never heard of [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► who lived a life where they didn't get [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► to put those ideals into action but [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► they're they're always with us and in [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► those moments when the this sort of [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► thing happens they're the ones who we [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► end up remembering so I thought it was [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► an interesting point that and that of [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► course happened like during the lives of [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► something like Thomas Paine was hugely [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► important and great when we need a [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► revolution is the revolution is over [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► Thomas Paine is a really annoying guy to [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► have stopped listening don't hear much [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► about thomas & Hamilton's youth is [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► actually really important to this story [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► because being late to the party in some [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► ways uh you know his story becomes more [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► about the nation-building about the [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► revolution the revolution is very [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► dramatic and it's part of his coming of [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► age and they're all of that in there [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► but you know Hamilton makes his stamp [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► after the Revolution when they're when [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► they're building the country and another [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► thing that's internos book is that gets [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► glossed over in American history class [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► when your kid is it was a real tenuous [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► thing that there was going to be a [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► federal government with a strong central [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► government after the Revolution it was [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► very very hard for that to be coming to [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► being in hamilton was a big part of that [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► and that that's his story his story is [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► the is the after the Revolution part [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► more really than the end of revolution [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► partying so that that's a that's kind of [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► an interesting spin on it i love stories [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► like that chip a little like Babylon 5 [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► where you know when the war is over the [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► story doesn't get isn't over in fact [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► what you do after the war when you're [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► trying to put things back together can [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► be way more interesting and complicated [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► than fighting the war and Hamilton [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► definitely deals with that Wally while [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► he also is you know his plight his life [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► is in pieces too but he's trying to put [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► the simultaneously his life is in pieces [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► and he's trying to put the country [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► together and unlike Babylon 5 the [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► post-war peace really does hold up [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► yeah well you know that's because they [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► didn't try to they didn't have to finish [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► the war early for fear that the country [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► would be cancelled point I i want to [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► shift gears a little bit i want to talk [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► about the women of Hamilton that's one [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► of the things that's really notable [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► about this [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► this play is that special is that limit [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► while Miranda and I should say also how [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► amazing is that mean he is the star and [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► he is the writer of the whole thing [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► that's pretty amazing it's pretty great [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► but he has chosen to take this narrative [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► that could very easily about the men in [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► power me but it's not and it in and make [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► sure that women's voices are heard [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► throughout but one one of the things [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► that really jumped out at me on like the [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► third or fourth lesson was that there is [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► a thread of helplessness and [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► satisfaction throughout the whole story [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► and the songs you know at first you [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► think well they're all kind of their [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► songs right they're not necessarily all [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► connected but there's there's a [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► recurring theme of that would be enough [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► oh he will never be satisfied i would be [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► satisfied if you survived [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► don't die that's that would be enough [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► right and the men are never quite [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► satisfied and the women are the same [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► ones the women are the ones are like if [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► I talk to Jefferson at all you know [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► we'll we'll see about getting women into [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► the sequel in in the declaration of [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► independence and common sense and all [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► those things and and the women are [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► eminently sensible in this show and and [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► the men are idiots [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► it also extends to the ensemble the US [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► soldiers the cabinet members men and [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► women it's you know yet that doesn't [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► come across in the cast album but but [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► it's an ensemble yeah you can tell you [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► can tell from the from the choral [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► arrangements if you have an ear for [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► those things but yeah I mean in if you [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► look at any of the any of the shots and [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► I of the cast [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► it's incredible actually just how many [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► of the ensemble members are ladies and [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► if you listen to the background voices [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► on the on the cast album for all of sort [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► of the little bit parts you know [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► oh I wish i'm so glad we're here with [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► him and oh no you didn't during the rap [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► battles it's a lot of the call-outs are [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► all the the ladies all sonically usually [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► have to find a way to shove women in [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► somehow [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► uh-huh that's why Gilbert and Sullivan [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► Iraq were constantly saying and here he [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► is with his eight daughters [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► yeah exactly all right we need coral [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► harmonies but no i mean what i found was [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► really fascinating about the staging of [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► this and just the use of the coral [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► members you know quite the chorus often [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► plays a lot of different roles like [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► they're expected to kind of quick change [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► and and sort of be scenery and be [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► ensemble members wherever the ensemble [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► is necessary but Hamilton seems to take [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► it a step further and also a step back [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► in the sort of the tradition of your [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► Greek chorus where you know the chorus [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► and most of the pictures are very very [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► simply dressed in white beauty like [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► beautiful white inspired colonial [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► outfits but not quite [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► colonial outfits and they're all white [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► and off-white and then they get these [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► various things but you combine this with [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► just an ever presence of like these are [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► almost the ghosts walking through [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► Hamilton versus life and you have this [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► proscenium stage that has an upper an [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► upper balcony where characters are [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► constantly standing on and looking down [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► at the action and judging the characters [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► for what's going on and what what's [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► about to happen there was a great [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► interview vulture did this huge this [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► whole series about Hamilton Alexander [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► Hamilton's birthday so they did a [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► week-long about the show Hamilton and [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► they did am an interview with a couple [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► of the cast members of the the auxiliary [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► cast members and including Renee lows at [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► least goals i butchered her name [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► um who plays Angelica Skyler on and DVD [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► digs who plays jefferson and they [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► mentioned her like yeah there's you know [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► there's one of the songs and I'm you [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► know I look up because i have a free [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► moment and i see that Chris Jackson who [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► plays George Washington is just standing [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► up in the winter you know standing up on [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► this upper balcony just judging me just [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► looking at me one and its influence [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► every single performance i've done since [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► then because I just feel his eyes on the [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► back of my neck while I'm singing and I [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► don't know I there's there's something [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► omnipresent about it that I really loved [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► and well it can makes no bones about it [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► being a story told to you [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► oh yeah that whole framework of the [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► staging it's not it's you know it's not [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► obvious or blatant about it's not like a [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► look at what we're doing but exactly [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► it's like you [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► it's just they're leveling call he adds [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► i love when feeder can do that history [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► has its eyes on you [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► yeah who tells your story that it's [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► difficult to tell stories uh from these [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► periods involving women when all the [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► action is happening with the men in [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► terms of what we know as the history and [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► so with with angelica especially I think [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► was satisfied you get some very [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► interesting moments we have we have put [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► Alexander Hamilton up on a pedestal this [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► is his show we have heard 11 songs you [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► know that are all about Hamilton in one [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► way or another [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► and when we get to Angelica song her [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► reaction to Hamilton is finally there's [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► somebody who can match me which is we [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► will undermine left right yeah it's not [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► he's not he's he's just it's a relief [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► that he's at her level and it's a real [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► relief it's kind of amazing this is what [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► it feels like to match with one of your [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► level with the feeling of freedom of the [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► light you see it right conversation with [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► two minutes maybe three minutes [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► everything we can in total agreement is [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► the dream dance in the monster with a [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► bit of a blur but i'm giving a chance [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► family you can see the [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► and envisioning you understand [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► anyways he's flying by the seat of his [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► pants and so will and that song is that [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► may be my favorite song the whole thing [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► although I you know every song in the [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► first actor Michael that's my favorite [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► no no this wasn't her but she's got the [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► she's got the line and that that is I [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► think very important because this is [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► this is the show saying look this is [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► what this is our lot in life is we have [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► to work with stuff like this and it's [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► not that she is any less capable than [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► hamilton and in real life Angelica [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► scholar with a formidable person reading [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► common sense but Thomas Paine yeah when [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► I meet Thomas Jefferson and I did and [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► I'm have had an affair with me boo knows [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► yeah she's apparently real pals with [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► Jefferson oh yeah but when it's because [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► they're both overseas she moves i'm [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► heading off to London I have found a [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► wealthy husband who always pays no [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► actually I wanted to say something about [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► the one-two punch of helpless and [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► satisfied and I think our is very very [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► important to the core of this musical [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► it's my boy also modern in a narrative [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► way where we see the courtship play out [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► and helpless and then in satisfied [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► immediately we rewind and see the entire [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► courtship again and planning played out [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► through the other sisters perspective [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► it's so it's brilliant brilliant young [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► and some 21 fun fun side note i'm went [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► once I saw Hamilton i went back and [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► watched or listened to all of Miranda's [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► other stuff and there's a small rewind [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► bit and bring it on the musical which he [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► worked on together and as soon as I [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► heard that that the whole musical is [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► like oh my god I see the seeds of all of [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► these things [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► yeah but going back to to satisfied into [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► helpless i think it is really [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► fascinating to me that we we don't see [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► it through Peggy's I before we don't get [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► a Peggy Peggy vision but i love that i [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► don't have a contrast between we've got [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► Eliza just being completely struck head [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► over heels with this with this [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► magnificent thinker who just always says [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► the right thing and has the right words [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► and then you've got Angelica who is like [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► yeah you're pretty smooth I appreciate [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► that you can be on my level and both of [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► these women [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► the second act get called better they [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► get called back to the end of the first [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► act to do you know Eliza basically being [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► like you know all I wanna be is around [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► you know I want to be around your [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► brilliance i wanna you know I know who I [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► married I know what I signed up for and [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► I'm okay with this [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► Angelica's like well you know I know [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► what I had to sign up for and i'm just [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► going to live you know i'm going to live [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► vicariously through my letters to you [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► and I'm gonna still time [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► perhaps dr. Thomas Jefferson and and [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► enact to each of these ladies get say [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► you know Eliza gets her own song but [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► I'll but I evangelica gets a little bit [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► where they get to read like go back to [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► their original their first act selves [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► and just basically be like no you know [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► what I'm revising my I'm revising my [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► place in the narrative where it's like [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► Angelica you know Angelica of course is [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► singing the melody from satisfied when [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► she goes into him after he's you know [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► ruined everything and you publish the [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► Reynolds pamphlets happy [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► what we had died i'm standing at a time [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► you gonna be my god [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► she just walks off she's like BAM she's [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► not just saying i love Eliza more than I [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► love myself she's telling it Alexander [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► you know it's fun being pen pals with [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► you but I'm here for allies it not you [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► yeah actually yeah my the most important [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► thing to me in my life is my family and [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► you have basically just ruined my family [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► its mind over yourself you in so yeah [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► exactly and then Eliza has this [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► blockbuster moment and burn which used [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► to be one of my least favorite songs and [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► is now very much grown on me but burns [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► is basically the entire like burn for [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► one thing it's the inverse chord [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► structure of helpless which is beautiful [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► and for another she's basically tearing [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► down everything that she said and how [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► helpless when she's like I see myself as [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► this naive kid you know I saved every [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► letter you wrote me and and I love all [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► of these things and and then I and then [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► she gets to see she has to see it from [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► an outsider's perspective she wrote to [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► you you told the whole world how you [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► brought this girl into our bed and [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► clearing your name have ruined on ma [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► angelica what she read what you've done [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► everything it comes to close to the side [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► it's very much the the concept of oh [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► well this one was actually very [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► uneducated this woman that he had an [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► affair with and this woman was complete [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► complete you know buffoon not be food in [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► some ways but very under the education [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► level of any of the Skyler sisters [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► level of any of the Skyler sisters [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► and.and she manages to paint this in [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► such a way that like it's such a biting [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► way of I was this stupid I was this I [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► was this lovesick girl I was the person [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► who did this and I'm taking i'm taking [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► my narrative back she said she may say [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► i'm removing myself from the narrative [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► from your narrative but in in essence [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► she's also saying like I'm taking my [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► narrative back and I'm not going to be [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► you know i'm not going to be the help [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► sick love you know the lovesick girl who [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► can't who can't be on her own [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► you can't do anything who requires a man [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► to survive to quit the last five years [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► because it seems the matically [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► appropriate it i don't know it's there [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► there arc over the over the course of [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► the musical is fascinating to me when [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► Angelica and satisfied and she's the [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► first one who really points out the [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► darkness within Hamilton that's going to [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► come out of item and that's that's [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► something i wanted to point out that [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► she's just you know she reads him [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► instantly and she's kicking herself for [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► it but as it turns out she read him [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► exactly right and when it comes home to [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► roost it at in the second act with god I [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► hope you're satisfied the one of course [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► that the way the story ends this is this [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► is and this is tied to history right [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► this is Eliza ends up telling his story [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► this is the moment that everybody so I [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► was driving to the airport to pick up my [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► mom and it was raining and it took me [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► way too long to get there [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► the traffic was really slow and I made [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► the mistake of starting sort of the end [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► of Act one of hamilton and so by the [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► time i'm sitting on the 880 freeway and [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► it's pouring down rain i mentioned ahead [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► five miles an hour and it's getting to [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► the end of hamilton and I am just [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► sobbing in the car at that last at the [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► last song but also knowing the history [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► of it now that makes it even more [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► heartbreaking because this is you know [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► Eliza is one of the reasons that we know [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► what we do she's the one who set their [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► son as well on the case of making sure [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► that people remember to Alexander [TS]